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SWANTON, Ohio — Mitt Romney's major foreign policy speech got a boost just a few minutes after it ended from running mate Paul Ryan, who praised the address and also talked up foreign policy during a stop in the battleground state of Ohio.
“I just watched on TV what you watched on that TV,” Ryan said inside a hangar at Toledo Express Airport, where the crowd viewed #mce_temp_url# live on a monitor. “We just watched what leadership looks like.”
GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney offered few new policy details in his speech at the Virginia Military Institute, choosing instead to zero in on the upheaval in the Middle East. Meanwhile, two polls present different NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
After referencing the terrorist attack in Benghazi that killed four American diplomats, Ryan vowed that if elected, the GOP ticket will keep America safe.
“The point is, in a Romney administration, when we know that we are clearly attacked by terrorists, we won’t be afraid to say what it is. If terrorists attack us, we will say we had a terrorist attack and more importantly, we will do what is necessary to prevent that from happening by having a strong military, by making sure that our adversaries do not test us, do not think that we are a weak and in retreat,” he said.
Standing with several veterans scattered throughout the nearly 1,000-person crowd Monday morning, the congressman hit President Barack Obama, accusing him of trying to distort his record of helping veterans while in Congress.
Former Ambassador Richard Williamson, the senior foreign policy advisor to the Romney campaign, and former Pentagon official Colin Kahl, a national security advisor to the Obama campaign, lay out the differences between the two candidates.
“Because President Obama does not have a good record to run on, he has resorted to trying to distort ours. Lately, he talks about what Bob Latta and I did in the House. He is mischaracterizing our support for veterans,” Ryan claimed. “Let me make one thing very clear, in the House budget that we drafted and that we passed, we fully met and exceeded the President’s request for veterans funding…by 270 million dollars. That means, we saw a commitment, a promise that our government has made to our veterans.”
He promised: “These people put their lives on the line and in a Romney administration we will always keep our promise and our commitment to our veterans."
Ryan’s foreign policy credentials – which were questioned when Romney first selected Ryan to join the ticket – will likely be brought up Thursday during the vice presidential debate against Vice President Joe Biden.
The Washington Post's Dan Balz, the Center for American Progress' Neera Tanden, and Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post and CNBC's "Kudlow Report" look at where the four candidates are headed this week.
Speaking about the military and attacking Obama’s foreign policy is not new for the Republican vice presidential nominee, as he has addressed the topics during speeches in both Colorado and Florida.
Ryan now heads to Michigan to finish off the day — making his first appearance back in the state since Aug. 24th — holding a public rally in Rochester and an education roundtable in Detroit.
Mary Altaffer / AP
Republican vice presidential candidate, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. speaks during a campaign event, Monday, Oct. 8, 2012, in Swanton, Ohio.
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Great!
The Lone Ranger & his sidekick Tonto want YOU to believe they're capable of keeping this country safe! lmao
YIPPEEEE KAYAAAA!
At the top of the ticket we have a cowardly draft dodger and the only experience his other half has, is sending Americans into the meat grinder in the Middle East!
I thought this election was about the economy? Funny how that changed when all signs point to things improving...
"At the top of the ticket we have a cowardly draft dodger and the only experience his other half has, is sending Americans into the meat grinder in the Middle East!"
Proof that he's a draft dodger? Didn't know Congressmen/women sends troops to war. Since you call it a meat grinder, got to ask you, have you been there? I know, I'm sure you know a friend of a friend of a friend that said it sucks. So do tell, what is a meat grinder according to the armchair General? You know what would make it less sh!ty of over there? Change the ROE that Obama put on our troops, it's a pitty you can't fight back when getting shot at. You know what the ROE is right General?
Ryan bolsters Willards foreign policy offensive... This is the biggest joke of the year!!! Willard's foreign policy experience consists of pissing off England, alienating Russia, and getting the rest of the World begging the US not to elect another idiot!!!
The only country he has strong ties with is China - after all this is where he plans to send the rest of our jobs!!! and if you're looking for him to get tough on China just remember... that where the Kochs and Adelson (Romneys key backers) are making the bulk of their money.... Think THEY want him to get tough on China..LOL!!!
Well Storm, since the next debate is about Foreign Policy, I guess I would expect the discussion to pivot somewhat.
But you knew that already, right?
If you really live in Detroit and you think the economy is improving, you are delusional.
.....and ah, what military experience did Obama ever have?
It's interesting that he would have attended high school in Honolulu where the public school system is chocked full of the sons and daughters of our precious military heroes.
But, even after having "grown up" in that environment, he never even considered military service of any type.
Obama was/is in so far over his head, from day one, that it isn't funny. If it wasn't for Hillary Clinton's management of foreign affairs through the State Department, we'd be in a lot of trouble.
I disagreed with the Iraq war as well.
But, the world is a lot better off without Saddam Hussein around, and to say that those who made the ultimate sacrifice, did so for naught; is disrespectful to them and to their families.
They sacrificed their lives so we, and our allies wouldn't have to concern ourselves with his constant threats to deploy poisonous weaponry (which he didn't have, but always threatened to use), and so that the people of Iraq would finally know democracy and freedom.
To even intimate that their sacrifice was meaningless is absolutely disgusting.
Maybe if you Obama-shama-lama-ding-dongs hurry, you can get down to the airport and spit at a few of them as they arrive home from their deployments around the globe.
Your contempt for these brave men and woman is repulsive!
DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY, 2012!!!!!!!!!!
Paul
Neither Fiesty or Detroit have a clue about the dribble they post.If you read any of them it becomes obvious.
Just left talking points of no substance. Just like we saw from their hero in the last debate.
ZMan, this is all you need to know.
If Barack Obama were president in 2003, he would not have gone into Iraq. Period. So don't tell us he was in over his head.
Republicans were in over their head. From day one.
Unless Romney says he's bringing back the troops NOW; unless Romney says he will not leave ANY troops in Afghanistan after the pullout; unless Romney says what overseas bases he will close, then I don't see him differentiating himself from Obama at all. More hot air trying to obscure the false dichotomy.
Pat - If Obama was president on 9/11 we still wouldn't know if it was a terrorist attack.
Chucky - Obama did say he would bring our troops home immediately before he said he'd wait awhile. How's that GITMO closing going?
War on women,
War on fuel,
War on America,
What are we to do?
Fast and Furious,
And Benghazi too.
Several are dead,
Because of you.
Splitting the country,
In more ways than one.
You won't be happy,
Until you have won.
Wasted tax dollars,
Right down the drain
.And you want more,
You are inflicting such pain.
On November the sixth,
I will cast my vote.
And I hope and pray,
This is far as it goes.
I am a proud veteran,
Who went to Viet Nam.
And I will not bury,
My head in the sand.
To "The Messiah" Obama,
You must go.
For the good of the country,
God please make it so.
John D. 10/1/12
Well then JH, why don't you go and actually study what Barack Obama said about the 9/11 attack? Why don't you actually go and read what he said we should do?
And more importantly, what NOT TO DO.
Feisty, you are right (not leaning right)
First, Mitt has already lost 47% outright.
Second, Obama ended the lives of criminals such as bin Laden and Mommar Cadaver, ended war in Iraq on a winning note. He is going to end War in Afghanistan.
Obama accomplished what Bush and his neo-CONs (not ex-CONs) were never able to accomplish.
I trust Obama more in foreign and defense policies.
JH, what is you believe differentiates Romney's foreign policy from Obama's? Apart from more xoxoxo's to Netanyahoo (misspelling on purpose), I don't see any big changes, just more of the same.
ZMAN2012,
DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY...LOL...NO Democrat in their right mind would vote for the idiot... So don't go around saying that you're a Democrat!!!! you're probably one of those Leiberman types who didn't get his way on something and went crying off to Mama...LOL
Your right - Obama never served in the military... But Obama didn't DODGE the draft either..... ROMNEY DID and while he was DODGING the DRAFT he was PICKETING IN FAVOR OF THE WAR!!!!!!!!!! so, you self-proclaimed "Democrat" why don't you just go ahead and move over to the other side and be another moronic Republican as you are well one your way!!! LMAO!!!!
Paul, let's start with Ryan:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/sep/09/romney-ryan-foreign-policy-expertise
In his own words, he thinks he is better qualified on foreign policy than Obama because he has voted to send people to war.
Challenged on what made him better qualified, considering then-senator Obama had sat on the Senate foreign relations committee, Ryan cited his 14 years in Congress.
He added: "I've voted to send men and women to war. I've been to Iraq and Afghanistan. I've met with our troops to get their perspectives. I've been to the funerals, I've talked to the widows, I've talked to the wives, the moms and the dads. That's something. That matters."
Now, let's move on to Mitt.
He protested in favor of the Vietnam war, then had himself declared a "minister of religion" so he could go on a mission to France and not serve. Then when he came back, he got educational deferments so he wouldn't need to serve in the war he had so ardently favored. Years later, he claimed that he had taken no action to remove himself from the pool of young men who might be called to serve.
Romney call s for the US to arm the Syrian rebels!
At the same time the UN Secretary General calls on everyone to Stop sending arms into to Syria - that it's making the conflict WORSE!
Now who might be more in touch with what is actually going on in Syria - and your first guess shouldn't be Romney!
17 out of 24 of Romney's foreign policy advisers are direct descendants from George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's Administration. They're the ones who brought America the unwise "if you're not with us you're against us" nonsense that galvanized the world. You think after 4 years out of control they're not itching to take us into another war- this time a country next to Iraq? Count on it!
Insinuating the idea of sending arms to Syria is quite like when we sent them to Afghanistan years ago- now they're using them against American soldiers!
This is another reason Mutt Romney is unfit to hold the office.
Chucky
I doubt that Romney would welcome the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House.
Romney can only speculate on foreign policy right now, he isn't in the loop for the information that is available to current elected officials. President Obama said many things while campaigning for the White House when he really didn't have all the information too. But at the time he was a Senator so he should have been a little more aware of his chances of closing GITMO. When he started campaigning he said he would bring our trops home right now. He changed that to 6 months then changed that again. In the end he followed the plan that George Bush has put in place. I don't think anyone knows exactly what they would do until the time comes to make the tough decisions. I don't think President Obama has done well making those tough decisions in a timely manner.
The Artful Dodger and his VP sidekick want the American people to believe they have a CLUE on foreign policy? Ryan voted YES to the wars, voted NOT to pay for the wars; Romney has picked 17 or so of the Bush/Cheney neoconservative war mongers to advise him. Yep, that'll work.
While in college Romney protested in FAVOR of the draft, in FAVOR of the Vietnam war, then the Artful Dodger headed to Paris. He claimed he wanted to fight in the war, longed to be "over there" but joining up was too difficult for him; instead he strolled the streets of Paris and drew sand hearts on the beach proclaiming he loved Ann while thousands of young men died and he was just fine with that being in favor of the draft and war.
ZMan, the difference is that President Obama never protested in favor of a war while running as fast as he could from it as Mitt Romney did. I do not have a problem with people who did not serve in the military but I do have a problem with people like Mitt who talk tough, who protest to support a war and the draft but neither he nor any of his sons walk the walk.
really RUK-head? It was only a few months ago that Romney's handlers were concerned that the Golden Boy was being distracted from his prepared script by things that weren't the economy. Now there are some positive numbers the focus changes. Don't believe me? Of course you don't. How about that lapdog Breitbart?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/26/Time-Romney-Economy
WCA, things are improving, even here in Michigan. GM is adding 2000 jobs in the state, or hadn't you heard? There are help wanted signs up all over. Of course foreign policy should be discussed, but he is only doing so as a reaction, not as part of a larger strategy. He was rather evasive on this topic earlier, deferring to the economy. Do you get paid per cupholder you design or by the hour? Either way, you should get back to work.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/gm-jobs-2000-new-hires-in_n_1948018.html
JH - as usual, you're wrong. Romney began getting foreign policy briefings when he became the GOP candidate. You just can't tell it because he still talks like an idiot!
Obama/Biden 2012
POS Romney wants another Republican War.
I can't help but wonder if all you folks who call Romney a POS, Idiot, Liar etc, etc will respect the office of the President and refrain from those childish ways if he wins in November.
It certainly seems to bug you folks when Obama is called names.
Listening to that video Richard Williamson almost makes me want to puke. My god can any MittRomneycan answer a question and not dodge, weave and blame?
What's DIPS*** Richard Williamson's answer? It's to invoke Zombie Reagan... GOD HELP US.
JH, Romney knows enough through required briefings he gets as a Presidential candidate to formulate his own plans. Now, I really want to know, what one foreign policy difference is there between Romney and Obama that makes you believe Romney would be better in this area.
Do you realize the responsibility Obama carries? He is the only person standing between Romney and the White House. It is sinful that Romney could ever become president. Most of the time he is an actor reading his own lines, who doesn't understand his own programs... But let me give him his due. He could make a hell of a king.!
Considering they are Egypt's answer to the Christian Coalition why not?
[Ryan bolsters Romney's foreign policy...]
Let's take a look at Romney's "Foreign Policy" experience, shall we?
Huh...so Romney "longed to be in Vietnam"...apparently he didn't "long" hard enough....
...apparently...
Romney will be OK with sending the 47% off to die in a war he starts. I am quite sure of that. :)
I wonder if he invests in Halliburton, Hmmm?
There were many reasons AQ attacked the US on 9/11, but one main reason was that they thought we were weak based on our response to the USS Cole and the African Embassies and they way we ran in Somalia.
Obama has presented the US as leaderless in world affairs and that opens the door for further attacks, like Libya.
While Romney may seem overly aggressive, his views will help keep our terrorist adversaries in place. Obamas continual weakness and apologies will not.
On Vietnam: "gosh i really wanted to be over there with our guys during all that". Mitt Romney. Cowards have a way of speaking half wit truths that they stand by.
Let's see, Ryan and crew just voted down the jobs for veterans bill. Like they have veterans backs. Rolls eyes.
Mother Cluster Duck
Mitt Romney. Cowards have a way of speaking half wit truths that they stand by.
Really they do. How about this right wingers?
Our diplomats have nothing to fear when we're strong? Under Bush, there were violent attacks on American embassies in Yemen, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, India and Turkey. A U.S. diplomat was assassinated in Sudan. Another was murdered in Pakistan.
New York Times columnist William Safire said Reagan "has acted more pusillanimously than Jimmy Carter." Polls showed most Americans thought he had done too little, prompting the president to ask, "Short of going to war, what would they have us do?"
Barack Obama has never done anything that could compare to Reagan's limp response to this wanton slaughter of innocents. But conservatives with short memories regard Obama as the most feeble, weak-kneed president since ... well, since Jimmy Carter.
So why was there a wave of fierce anti-American protests across the Middle East in 2003, as President George W. Bush was preparing to invade Iraq? The State Department was so alarmed it advised Americans to avoid 17 countries across the region and beyond.
Clapping hands.
http://ametia.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/clapping.gif?w=640
This narrative proves Romney and the GOP/TEA NAGGERS are a bunch of lying, hypocritical, LIARS!!! Where was the hysteria then under Bush and Raygun?
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Lar, what views are those and how are they different from Obama's?
JH-479998
Until this day, the Bush administration claims that it had no prior warnings of an attack by Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network. Too bad 40+ CIA intel memos say otherwise. And too bad that the Bush Adminstration escorts in a hurry Saudi nationals out of US righ after 9/11.
Hey but who cares about details.
On top of that you have Romney who, without any clue, jumps in like an idiot with his 2 cents:
at 10:08 p.m. Clinton Confirms Death of One American in Libya
at 10:24 p.m. Romney Criticizes Administration's Response
16 minutes, 0 clue - that's your Romney
Eric-913730
because after soldiers come back and the Republicans have no use for them any more, the veterans become part of the Romney's "47% are moochers."
@ Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Why does Senator McCain say President Obama isn't capable of being Commander In Chief because he has no experience in the Military but he backs a man like Romney with just as much experience?
ScottW430
but they did - in Massachusetts. Now the Mass voters have a buyer's remorse and they will not make that mistake again. At a 30-something approval rating, Romney has no chance in Massachusetts this time around.
Confussed,
Dementia... perhaps?
Remember this is the same guy who can't remember how many homes he owns! ☺
To drop from 8.2% unemployment to 7.8% is unemployment getting better by 5% (for the non-math people - 0.4/8.2 = 5). Anyone that believes our employment has just improved by 5% in a single month is an idiot.
I have been reading Romneys policies and ideas on the ME. Let me tell you they are very scary. Democracy is spreading across the ME, this is historic yet he does not mention this.lol The new Democracies might not be making choices we agree with but they are making choices none the less. All new Democracies have and do go through "growing pains" including ours.
Romney wishes to arm the Syrian rebels with heavy artillery? WOW. These people have hated us for decades,burned our flag, danced in the streets for 9/11. I usually distinguish the government from the citizens as hating us, but in this instance the citizens have despised us for years. Al Qeada is trying to help the rebels cause, and Romney wants to give them tanks.lol I almost fell off my seat when I read this.
note; Even Saudi only and other neighbors want to arm the rebels with only light arms, they will not give them RPGs beccause they know they could fall into Al Qeada hands, and Romney wants to give them tanks.LMAO These guys are practically enemies of the U.S.
He blames Obama for a muted response to Benghazi? Obams response was more of not showing our hand than being easy on Lybia One thing about Obama is that he walks lightly but carries a big stick, and the world knows he is not afraid to use it. Obama has been great on foreign policy, I would not say this if it were not true as I have been following the ME and military happenings abroad since I was a teen, and I can tell you that his policies and attitude will lead to major conflict in the ME ,and other theatres .
As others before him, he will backpedal on most he has said if he reaches office, I see it administration after administration. Same song and dance,different performer. So if you want war vote Romney, if you wish to keep the momentum we have now of decimating terrorism vote Obama.
Exactly, the economy has improved so now we can afford more wars again.
How is it possible that this brash and foolish young man could bolster anything. We tore him a part at his town hall meetings in Janesville and Whitewater when he wouldn't and couldn't defend the cuts in his "Plan to Ruin America" and the many increased billions for the military and Pentagon! He's a right wing extremist fool!
One of the titles that a US president holds is Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces. As no one today is forced to become president over their objections (like George Washington was) one can say that President Obama volunteered to serve in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
But then, by that same reasoning, Mitt Romney is also now 'volunteering' for military service as the CIC and as president of the US. How about we stop picking on candidates based on what we thought they did or didn't do? Let's focus on the issues and what they say they will do for us, the people who pay their salaries and who they are supposed to serve, rather than the candidates personal lives and personal choices.
You all ever thought there could be something in the old saying, 'The one most suited to hold power is the one who least wants it...'? George Washington didn't want it...and look at what he did.
Why did President Obama want it? Do we know if anyone ever asked that question?
Why does Mitt Romney want it? Has he ever explained?
clwyd - I understand that the music for the Ryan event was "Send in the Clowns."
Obama/Biden 2012
Or as The Who said, "Meet the new boss, he's the same as the old boss."
And that's part of the reason why I don't vote. I'm with George Carlin on this one--"You ain't blamin' me for puttin' these fools in office!"
Yes, Obama/Biden ARE the clowns ! Why they could be on America's Got Talent ... because of their proven ability to entertain and smile and hobknob with the Hollwood socialites !!
But more likely, (because the data shows it) the numbers have been improving and with revised data over the summer time-frame it indicates the recovery most economists expected was there.
But if believing those smarter than you are idiots makes you feel better run with it. :D
The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics is neither Republican or Democrat and not aligned to be controlled by either. And considering how important its data is to American companies seeding doubt that they are somehow manipulating numbers hurts business.
Amanda - thank goodness not everyone thinks like you. It is not only a priviledge to vote in the US, it truly is a responsibility. You need to look at each candidate and decide which one you believe has your and the country's best interest at heart. To not vote is saying to those who lost their lives defending our rights that they died for nothing.
jim - as usual your reading comprehension skills are lacking. I clearly pointed out I was referring to Ryan. But, I DO understand you have problems in the area of thinking - we all have seen that as you continue to post.
Obama/Biden 2012
Pat Boston MA.
I was not a registered Republican at the time we invaded Iraq, (am not now, either), so I won't argue with you concerning that last particular (non) point.
However I will say that, had we not gone into Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be in power, and that would not be a good thing. Especially with what's happening in and around the islamic world lately. We, along with our allies, and the people of Iraq are far better off without him.
Secondly, since we did go in, and since so many of our military people (and their families) paid the price for it, you'd do well to be a little more respectful to them.
How dare you cheapen their sacrifice, or even hint that their service was inconsequential!
This horse-hockey about not deploying them, unless it's absolutely necessary (in who's eyes, by the way) doesn't wash with our troops, or with me. The military does not respect Obama like you think they do. They're waiting for a real commander in chief, just like the rest of us are.
Obama is in wayyyyyyyyyy, wayyyyyyyyy over his head, and it shows everytime he has to go running for assistance to a man (Bill Clinton) whom his people called a racist in North & South Carolina during the primaries in 2008.
But, you know what? Thank God for the Clintons, because our foreign policy would be $#!+ without them! Obama, after four years in office, STILL doesn't know what he's doing. And by the way.....anybody, including my six year old, could have and would have given the order to kill bin laden once his position was discovered. (Through, interrogation techniques authorized by the previous administration, by the way.)
What's more, Obama voted to continue funding the war multiple times after saying he was against it, and he kept our combat troops in place there the maximum amount of time as was allowed by the congressional measure that passed in October of 2002.
...and that's all you need to know, Pat.
That little Worm Ryan should ask ROBMECROOK if he would send his five sons to the middle east !!!
Seeking
Your philosophy is good , but you have forgotten one little thing.
All candidates running for office are bought and paid for in advance . They look out for the top 1% only and pay lip service to you and I.
Romney strews the bullsh^t, then moves along. Ryan moves in, positively explains the smell, then moves along. The people of Swanton are left in the mire dumbfounded. Clap is cured by an injection of syphilis? Interesting.
The sample that showed a 0.3 improvement to U3 unemployment to 7.8% in September is no good. It takes 128,000 added jobs to improve U3 a tenth of a percent, in other words it takes 384,000 added jobs to lower the U3 unemployment by three tenths. There were only 114,000 new jobs added in September.
3.5 million previously employed Americans wish to be working but have quit looking because of discouragement and for them their unemployment insurance has run out.
College graduates add 133,000 new workers each month. It is reported only 50% of these are finding a job. At least as many high school graduates not going to college must be added. And then there are the high school drop outs. None of these are counted under U3 rules because they have yet to apply for unemployment because they have not yet been employed.
By executive Order Obama added 1.6 million illegal Mexican youth to the list of people trying to find work.
1.8 million American engineers are unemployed, yet 'Obama's people' have informed him there is an engineering shortage, so Obama is issuing H1B visas by hundreds of thousands to import Mexican and Indian engineers. These engineers work cheap. Essentially Obama is outsourcing American jobs right here on American soil.
The idea that the Government Accounting Office measures unemployment by cold calling 50,000 households over the phone and asking somebody if they have a job or not in order to tell what the unemployment picture is is disturbing.
Obama just left central California today after dedicating a monument to the radical julio cesar chavez, thinking he can get more of the latino vote...
what his team didn't tell him is that chavez worked for the unions against the illegal farm workers and set up a "wet line" his term not mine to report illegals to get them deported..
So Mr. President if your going to pander to people to get votes try and understand the culture your pandering too.... This looks like an act of a desperate campaign..
bob1/28 - too bad you are so jaded. Romeny clearly doesn't care about anything or anyone - just winning so he can say he did one better than Dad. However, President Obama is fighting for policies and programs to benefit everyone - especially the middle class.
Obama/Biden 2012
"Foreign Policy...Leading From Behind"?
Your joking right Romney? If we are leading from behind why is that all these Arab spring countries begged our help when they were getting beat down by dictatorships they were trying to rid themselves of? Why is it that we still feed our enemies when their people are starving. The Chinese have copied everything off us from stealth to windows OS, and we lead from behind? Think again sir.
We are number one in manufacturing once again in the world, a fact most do not know, and a title we lost temporarily,and have gained back.
We are the most powerful nation on earth. We do not lead from behind, we lead by example.
Just the opposite of what I said about Obama earlier, Romney speaks loud and carries a twig, and that twig surely is not an olive branch.
And you missed the part where I said it was PART of the reason why I don't vote. My Dad was in Nam and Korea--I have the utmost respect for him and our troops and vets and there was a time when i too wanted to go into the military.
I understand it's a privilege and a responsibility. I would like to vote. I would love jury duty. I would take up arms for my country and fight if it were asked of me. The day I took the Oath of Citizenship was the best day of my life.You want to know the main reason why I don't vote? I don't want my name coming up in front of Homeland Security.
I was adopted as an infant, never told before my parents passed away in a car accident. 18 years later USCIS does a routine record search, finds out they lost my adoption paper and come to me for a copy. When I can't give them one because I never knew I was adopted, they placed me in deportation as an undocumented.
Then they found out they couldn't deport me--as I was abandoned as an infant internationally, I have no original birth certificate, therefore no home country. (I don't even know exactly how old I am.) So I was simply told I would remain indefinitely detained until I gave them a copy of the paper. It took me three years to find it--and when I did they let me out but with the warning that if my name comes up in front of them again for any reason, they can strip my naturalization and place me back in deportation, this time permanently.
For this reason I don't have a car, don't drive, don't have a passport and don't register to vote. If my name comes up as an 'illegal' trying to vote, there goes my life (when I tried to apply for welfare benefits during a period of unemployment a few years back, Social Services tried to deny me because they said I did not truthfully disclose my immigration status. I checked 'citizen because i have had naturalization since I got out of deportation in my early 20's, have had it for years, and there was nowhere on the form big enough to write 'I'm a former illegal' and explain the whole mess.) My 'former illegal' status still haunts me through social services, unemployment, welfare, employment applications. It comes up constantly. There are certain jobs I'm ineligible for as a 'former illegal', and many employers simply don't want to touch someone who has Immigration issues.
I'm married, my hubby is disabled and can't work, we have two children, and my youngest is autistic. I'm the only one working. I'm not going to take the risk of being detained for the rest of my life for daring to try and exercise a citizen's right to vote. It would affect more than just me, it would affect my hubby and my kids too. The naturalization certificate says I am a citizen but the reality is that I'm a second-class citizen--and that can be revoked at any time. fortunately my kids don't look anything like me so no one will ever stop them and ask them to prove they are citizens.
And THAT is why I don't vote. I joke about it, but this is the real reason why I don't. I need to stay as far under the radar as possible.
scott-579755, a long-winded ad hominem is still just that. Dig up some proof or stow it.
Romney's only Foreign Policy is Teaching Big Bird how to Flip Flop to France !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rumors that Scott writes all his notes down on toilet paper from the Tabloid !!!!!!!!!!!!
Amanda - There are some great attorneys out there who should be able to help you with this matter. And, a lot of them work pro bono. I don't know if you live near a big city or not but I hope you find someone who can help you get this taken care of permanently.
It must be horrible to not know your past or have it questioned. l I truly hope you find a way to get this settled.
Romney unfit to be leader:
Insulted Brittan
Insulted Palestinians
Insulted Russia
Insulted China
Insulted Big Bird
Insulted half of America
Insulted our intelligence
Beverly - and he KEEPS ON insulting our intelligence!
Obama/Biden 2012
seeking sanity;
Thanks... on paper, it's resolved; I have naturalization. But the threat of having it revoked is like a Damoclean sword hanging over my head that will never go away. There is nothing I can say or do to 'expunge' the 'former illegal' designation from my record; I can't expunge the three year prison record either. It will follow me for the rest of my life. I cannot afford to have Homeland security look my way again.
The deportation camp was absolutely the WORST experience of my life--there's a reason why the deportation camp in Raymondville TX was called 'Ritmo' (after Gitmo)by Human Rights Watch. I still have nightmares.
Whenever I've told people about it the first thing everyone asks is 'why don't you sue' or 'go talk to the press?' I will never again give Homeland Security any cause or reason to look my way. In 2008 former ICE official James Pendergraph told a conference full of cops "If you don't have enough to charge a person criminally but you think they may be here illegally, we can make them disappear."
I'm living proof that yes, Homeland Security can make people disappear. Very few people ever left the camp having successfully proved they were citizens. Most of them got deported. A few were like me, permanently stuck and unable to go anywhere. And some of us died.
Personally, I think President Obama is the best one to be able to keep in place the system of checks and balances, to keep us from losing everything we hold dear as a country. I think Mr. Romney will simply speed the process up with a few behind-closed-doors decisions. But I will not vote because the price to my children, my family, is too high.
The republilcans are spending a lot more lately on internet trolls.
Why is it Ryan thinks he has foreign policy credentials when the only thing he has ever done related to something international is to order take out from Taco Bell ?
And how does he support our military: by voting for the sequestration and refusing to come to an agreement on the debt and by putting forth a budget which cuts funding for the VA ?
How do the Republicans support veterans? By voting down a bill which will help them get jobs.
A Veteran voting Republican is like a chicken supporting Colonel Sanders.
@Amanda-2017567: Ma,am, if your story is true, and you wish, I will find a way to help you. You can contact this vine via email to let me know. I'll just be gwaddamned if anyone should live the way you describe. Revoke hell!
Peace thru strength. A tried and true policy that has worked well in the past. Appeasement foistered thru chicken hawks? Not so much. Looking forward to the foreign policy debate. I can hear Obama's response to every single question, "I shot bin Laden". It will be hilarious.
Today, the Princeton Professor which the Obama administration cites to "prove" their lie "Romney wants to make the middle class pay for a 5 trillion dollar tax cut for millionaires and billionaires, came out and said the Obama administration is misrepresenting his position. In blunt language, they're lying! Shocker! not
Naturalized citizens can only be deported if they hold foreign passports and the country is willing to take them. If your story is factual then they were trying to scare you.
You were naturalized?
Bless you Mac!
No ONE should have to live like Amanda is!!!!
Amanda: Register and VOTE!
I hope it is for Obama.
Amanda- I hope you get a good immigration lawyer. You deserve the best in life.
Good Luck!
Was Mr. Draft Dodger Romney afraid to address the vets and talk about his time in France while American boys were fighting in Vietnam? Did Ryan offer Romney's excuse that he 'longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."
What a colossal load of crap. The chicken sheet took off to France to keep his skin safe. COWARDS, BOTH OF THEM!
I just have to say one more thing. Body bags were coming back at the rate of a hundred a week. I was 18. My number came up 18. I was looking at my first free vacation. I'm actually a Mormon. I could have used the deferment, but I didn't. Romney has no shame or honor. Send this creep back to wherever he came from.
Unbelieveable!
Seriously you can't believe anything Romney/Ryan says. Their lying is pathological. They lie with such convincing sincerity that they should be tested for psychopathy.
Yep! That worked so well with George W. Bush, didn't it? Morons! You cannot bluster or bluff the world into submission!
Let's just look at the last two large engagements for our military: Iraq and Afghanistan. C'mon, 10 years to subdue two countries smaller than some US states? WWI lasted 4 years and WWII lasted 6 years. These were wars fought on a global scale.
The idiots in charge, good Republican businessmen, lost sight of the goal. More worried about Halliburton's profits than US security, they dithered until the clock ran out and then retired to live in luxury with "thank you's" from Halliburton.
President Obama is waging war the smart way. Al Quaeda is the enemy. Al Quaeda doesn't have a country. Al Quaeda is spread among many countries with a distributed network of operatives. How do you fight a ground war against this? You can't!
What you can do is make it very, very dangerous to be an Al Quaeda leader. Obama has done that.
abcnews, Sep 30, 2011:
There's Osama bin Laden, of course, killed in May.
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader Anwar al-Awlaki as of today.
Earlier this month officials confirmed that al Qaeda's chief of Pakistan operations, Abu Hafs al-Shahri, was killed in Waziristan, Pakistan.
In August, 'Atiyah 'Abd al-Rahman, the deputy leader of al Qaeda was killed.
In June, one of the group's most dangerous commanders, Ilyas Kashmiri, was killed in Pakistan. In Yemen that same month, AQAP senior operatives Ammar al-Wa'ili, Abu Ali al-Harithi, and Ali Saleh Farhan were killed. In Somalia, Al-Qa'ida in East Africa (AQEA) senior leader Harun Fazul was killed.
Administration officials also herald the recent U.S./Pakistani joint arrest of Younis al-Mauritani in Quetta.
Going back to August 2009, Tehrik e-Taliban Pakistan leader Baitullah Mahsud was killed in Pakistan.
In September of that month, Jemayah Islamiya operational planner Noordin Muhammad Top was killed in Indonesia, and AQEA planner Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan was killed in Somalia.
Then in December 2009 in Pakistan, al Qaeda operational commanders Saleh al-Somali and 'Abdallah Sa'id were killed.
In February 2010, in Pakistan, Taliban deputy and military commander Abdul Ghani Beradar was captured; Haqqani network commander Muhammad Haqqani was killed; and Lashkar-e Jhangvi leader Qari Zafar was killed.
In March 2010, al Qaeda operative Hussein al-Yemeni was killed in Pakistan, while senior Jemayah Islamiya operative Dulmatin - accused of being the mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombings – was killed during a raid in Indonesia.
In April 2010, al Qaeda in Iraq leaders Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi were killed.
In May, al Qaeda's number three commander, Sheik Saeed al-Masri was killed.
In June 2010 in Pakistan, al Qaeda commander Hamza al-Jawfi was killed.
Remember when Rudy Giuliani warned that electing Barack Obama would mean that the U.S. played defense, not offense, against the terrorists?
If this is defense, what does offense look like?
The world has become a dangerous place for Al Quaeda leaders. And Obama built that. George W. Bush, in 8 years of continuous war on two fronts, couldn't do that!
Now, Mitt Romney has hired a large percentage of Bush's old advisors. Do we really want to abandon Obama's approach and return to Bush/Romney's?
Spare us anymore "foreign policy" rhetoric from Romney and Co. It causes brain damage.
Citizen Romney vacillates between an inept analysis ("But when we look at the Middle East today … it is clear that the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office.") and outright illegal arms trade ("Romney said he would 'identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values' in Syria, and arm them.")
And Sidekick Ryan thinks that concept of "foreign policy" is "what leadership looks like"???
All that's missing is John McCain singing "Bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran" in the background to complete a tableau that's a recipe for greater instability and ensuing disaster.
As his recent remarks only serve to remind us, Citizen Romney's "grasp" of foreign policy exceeds his reach.
BY A LOT!
Citizen Romney would be almost as great a detriment to America's interests abroad as he would at home.
mike-2598123 -- When one looks up "projection politics" your photo should be there.
Mitt-Witt Romney and Paul 'Lyin' Ryan are D*CKHEADS and unable to provide leadership in any country!!
RUCK FEPUBLICANS and vote DEMOCRAT 2012
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Romney/Ryan - Aren't these the same two who stood by and said nothing while the Republican Senators filibustered a bill to aid veterans returning from the war in getting jobs?
800 billion, not paid, for the war. Republican said YES.
1 billion, paid for, to help veterans returning from the war get a job. Republicans said NO.
I'm not the only one, there's a small percentage of 'former illegals' like me who similarly live under the radar. That's why whenever I see people commenting on 'illegals voting' and 'welfare fraud' and 'illegals getting paid under the table' I laugh--although I don't doubt that it does happen, that has not been my experience.
If you really want to help, push for immigration reform. Don't just buy into the rhetoric. 'Undocumented' is not just a politically-correct term for 'illegal'--I was undocumented, meaning I was missing a piece of paper, but not 'illegal'--no laws were ever broken. Most people don't make that distinction. Push for fair laws for both, and push for fair laws for people after we've proved they are citizens.
Push for an end to the private, for-profit prison system. That's where a great deal of the problems start. Homeland Security asks Congress for $141 per person per night (about $51,000 per year)for each person detained, whether illegal or undocumented. The private deportation camp will hold the detainees in their facilties for between $40-$98 per person per night ($14,000-$35,000 per year) and Homeland Security gets to keep the rest--it's partly how their budget went from $49 million in 2002 to $98 billion in 2011. Those private prisons (like the one I was in) then cut corners with detainees--substandard facilities, unsanitary conditions, food deprivation, sleep deprivation, physical and sexual abuse by guards--and turn and pour their money into lobbyists who wine and dine Senators and Congressmen into introducing more bills to give them a wider pool of detainees.
Push for a repeal of the NDAA for FY2012, the more recently passed Restricted Grounds Act, and write your Congressman and protest the Enemy Expatriation Act. The EEA hasn't pased yet, and hopefully it won't be. but those laws taken together not only erode our freedoms per the Constitution, but they also expand the potential detainee pool. Do some research--especially the EEA, because the wording of the bill itself is deceptively simple and you have to actually go and look up the articles of US Code that it'll make changes to in order to understand its purpose. (I know a lot of people blame President Obama for signing the NDAA for FY2012, but really, what else did you expect him to do when he knows that the entity (Homeland Security) who wanted it passed is responsible for the people (Secret Service) who safeguard his wife and children?)
And finally, vote for President Obama. He's the first politician I've seen who understands the difference between illegal and undocumented, and he's set in place programs and steps to help make things more fair for us undocumented.
Romney, on the other hand--well, Speaker of the House John Boehner recently asked President Obama for permission for his 33-member Homeland Security Oversight Committee to have sole oversight of the $98 billion Homeland Security juggernaut--be able to determine their budget, hold them accountable when something goes wrong, etc. Since Homeland Security now owns the Ofice of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties and the Office of Legislative Policy, it basically means that a great deal of the power in this country is going to rest in the hands of those 33 congresspeople---and I FIRMLY believe this is not what our Founding Fathers had in mind when they founded this country!
People can only be deported if the other country is willing to take them. If no country will take you you're stuck, can't go anywhere. The government calls that 'civil detention', and not 'arrest', because an 'arrest' would mean a crime has been committed, and an 'arrest' also starts the judicial 'due process'. With a civil detention, you can be detained indefinitely, no trial, lawyer, hearing, judge, phone call needed. No crime has been committed, so why would you need a lawyer?
The immigrant classification I was adopted under indicated that I would be automatically a citizen at 18 provided I had lived in the US at least ten years, went to school here, never been in trouble with the law, and was legally adopted. I could prove both of the former through Dad and Mom's tax records, my school report cards/records and spelling bee trophies, had no arrest record and graduated high school on the honor roll, and was looking forward to art college. The only thing that messed me up was that missing adoption paper.
So while they can't deport me, if my name comes up in front of them again they can say that it was under suspicion for something and they can legally place me in indefinite detention.
Feisty redhead, Exito, Beverly: Thank you.
romney-hood's solution to the Middle East...
- Attack Iran (which red line? can you say nation building)
- Dump unmonitored arms into Syria (shades of Afghanistan vs the Soviets)
- Yet another wink and a nod with a blank check to Israel
- And dump $2 TRILLION more into the US Military (use it or lose it eh mitt?)
Great foreign policy stance!! Another classic Cheney-styled Chicken Hawk mentality!
Ryan and Romney both think that if they tell the same lies over and over again that someone will believe them. They've told so many lies at this point that they don't even know what the truth is anymore.
Obama/Biden 2012 - leadership you can believe in
@Amanda-2017567#1.82: Looks like you are well informed of the "Homeland Security" pus hole. Sorry you had to become so informed by being snagged in it. Since It was a republican designation it's going to be very hard and slow before any changes can be affected. Hang in there. Keep current and dispense information every chance you get. You're certainly correct on your point about the President. He does want to change this mess. So do most of the democratic delegations. It's one of the many reasons the republican whores stay after the "Attorney General". Since GW Bush created this bureaucratic money funnel, you can bet the republicans will not give it up without one hell of a fight. We need President Obama, and, WE NEED A DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED HOUSE AND SENATE! The republican CRIMINALS need to be imprisioned, but, if we can't accomplish that, we at least ,must send the sons-a-bitches back home! Regards Ma'am
If that was all willard and his fast boat people can come up with on foreign policy, I would suggest that they rent a D9 dozer to pull their collective heads from their collective a$$es so they can see what is transpiring in the real world.
That was nothing but bushes ,smoke , mirrors, innuendo, and clap-trap, and demonstrates that he and the bu@!$%#es still havn't got a clue.
WOW… I watched Romney’s foreign policy speech and came away feeling great about being an American! Unlike Obama, Romney loves our country and will deliver the leadership we need to turn this nation around! Only a fool would disagree.
Under Obama, a dark cloud of evil seems to hang over the future of our country. Under Romney, we have hope and a positive Regan like vision of an American future designed to better serve our parents, children and grandchildren!
God Bless America!
Romney/Ryan 2012
Can'thidethetruth,
i came away with delivery, but nothing in the way of changes except for possible start two more wars. One with Iran and the other involvement in Syria. I came away ashamed of being an American, but his shallow and empty words were the worst part of it!
No American who loves this country should ever consider voting for a man who steadfastly refuses to place his hand over his heart during the playing of America’s National Anthem!!! Any man who views this country with such distain is NOT qualified to serve in the hallowed role of President!!!
The more myopic minded single issue constituency’s that blindly support Obama without carefully examining his background and true agenda are in fact FOOLS OF THE GREATEST MAGNITUDE!
Romney/Ryan 2012
I don't and won't either till we stop the military that is out of control and an embarrassment to this country. Cutting off fingers for souvenirs, urinating on deal people. We are disgusting!
Ryan probably thinks that having given a speech about foreign policy bolsters his foreign policy credentials. He also thinks that having voted to send our young people to war counts as foreign policy experience.
Given the number of Bush neo-cons on the Romney foreign policy team, if they would be elected I would never believe ANYTHING they told me on foreign policy. How could we ever trust that bunch again?
short attention spans and even shorter memories.
Tzalaran/ Steeler Fan
The short attention spans of the right are an understatement!!
with all the former Bush advisors who couldn't advise that idiot…what make us think that advising this idiot (Romney) will be any different!!!! That is unless they are advising him on how to get into a war with everyone else in the Middle East!!! Or how to screw up the economy and raid what's left of our money, drive us into yet another ditch, or distribute the balance of the American economy to the upper 1%....
Tzalaran & Scott--to make matters worse, Romney and Netanyahu are great pals, so Bibi will have a say in our foreign policy as well. It is really scary to contemplate.
Obama has shown no discernible foreign policy strategy. Only foreign policy tactics: incoherent, driven by politics, inconstant, and totally coincidental to our national interests.
We desperately need Mitt Romney, who has the intelligence and maturity to forge a foreign policy consistent with well-thought-out national policy and objectives. Obama's foreign policy is thrown together on the spur of the moment, and based on nothing more than random political pressures.
The idea of Mitt Romney in the White House is a scary thought. The guy can't decide what position to take without a dozen flip flops; he shoots first and aims later; he alienates foreign leaders and insults our allies. We don't need another Bush 43 in the White House; one was bad enough.
You know when Willard is lying, because his lips are moving.
Job1 - and he has that snarky smile!
Obama/Biden 2012
Kannin, the idea of one-size fits all for Middle Eastern and world policy no longer applies; it hasn't for sometime but that doesn't stop critics from trying to claim otherwise. Unlike GOPers who think that every other country should be like us, President Obama recognizes that each country must be handled differently. I'll take that any day over the GOP idea of pre-emptive wars and bombing the heck out of countries just because they don't agree with us.
Wow Job1 I never heard that before. Mind if I use it?
Romney thinks that Russia is public enemy number 1, he's even said so.
Did Romney say anything in his speech that was specific, that would be any different than what Obama has already done? NO.
Romney remains vague on his tax plan, his own taxes, Medicare, and Health care.
Wait another day and Romney will change positions yet again.
"CUPCAKE " speaks and no one listens !
@ Steeler Fan-380417,
How could we ever trust them again? Don't you mean can? Did you hear Romney's speech he made to VMI today? How long do you think it will be before we are supplying Al-Qaida with guns and at war with Iran? I don't trust Romney to keep us out of a war or to keep his mouth from starting a war. When times get tough it seems the Republican's want to deflect criticize by starting a war. A war they can blame on the previous administration!
Obama's middle east policy has caused complete chaos in the region, at any moment the whole area may erupt into all out war. There is no doubt that America is less safe than before Obama took office. I think Bugs Bunny would have a better foreign policy.
LoveTheTruth - you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on your a**. Where have you been all of your life? President Obama HAS NOT caused chaos int he middle east - it has been in chaos for as long as I can remember.
Are you really so stupid you posted that? Typical low information Republican! They just get dumber and dumber!
Obama/Biden 2012
But you like Obama's support for overthrowing the government in Eqypt so that now we are supporting the radical Muslim Brotherhood with about $2 billion a year ?
Furthermore, what do we have in Libya after about $1 billion spent on Cruise missiles to overthrow the government there ? Will Libya become radicalized as well ?
Then, of course, we have Speeking Insanity with her verbal attacks on another poster because she cannot handle an opinion that is not "boot-licking" for Obama ! Eqypt is MORE unstable than when Obama was inaugurated. Libya is no longer stable and their leadership is a question mark. Iran thumbs its nose at the U.S. led sanctions as it gets closer to a bomb.
Big difference Jeff, the Christian Coalition doesn't go around killing everyone because they don't believe the same one. Kool-aid drinker.
Unless you are a doctor that provides abortions in which case your clinic may get bombed or you'll get shot in your own church. But, yes, otherwise Christians are nothing like Muslim extremists.
So, spreading democracy throughout the world is only considered a success if the people of that country elect the leaders that we prefer? I thought that Romney was against choosing "Winners and Losers".
Nice SPIN there Vinnie !
It is OBAMA that has chosen winners and losers ! Obama supported the overthrow of the existing leadership in Egypt and now a radical Muslim Brotherhood controls ! It is OBAMA that authorized the attack with $1 billion of Cruise missiles in Libya and please tell us this : "Just how stable IS Libya now (you know), just a short time after our Ambassador is murdered there ???????
You have failed to prove "spreading democracy" when it appears that Obama is merely spreading anarchy !
Tough words coming from a yellow belly draft dodging coward that hid in France, time for marching orders for Romney !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The sample that showed a 0.3 improvement to U3 unemployment to 7.8% in September is no good. It takes 128,000 added jobs to improve U3 a tenth of a percent, in other words it takes 384,000 added jobs to lower the U3 unemployment by three tenths. There were only 114,000 new jobs added in September.
3.5 million previously employed Americans wish to be working but have quit looking because of discouragement and for them their unemployment insurance has run out.
College graduates add 133,000 new workers each month. It is reported only 50% of these are finding a job. At least as many high school graduates not going to college must be added. And then there are the high school drop outs. None of these are counted under U3 rules because they have yet to apply for unemployment because they have not yet been employed.
By executive Order Obama added 1.6 million illegal Mexican youth to the list of people trying to find work.
1.8 million American engineers are unemployed, yet 'Obama's people' have informed him there is an engineering shortage, so Obama is issuing H1B visas by hundreds of thousands to import Mexican and Indian engineers. These engineers work cheap. Essentially Obama is outsourcing American jobs right here on American soil.
The idea that the Government Accounting Office measures unemployment by cold calling 50,000 households over the phone and asking somebody if they have a job or not in order to tell what the unemployment picture is is disturbing.
scott- posting it twice still doesn't make it true. Want to go for three times? The employment figures are calculated the same way they have always been. Nothing has changed.
Obama/Biden 2012
Experts pan Romney foreign policy speech
Analysts reviewing what the Republican nominee said in what his campaign billed as a major foreign policy address weren’t impressed. The speech, they say, was much like Romney’s previous swings at laying out a foreign policy: couched in broad ideology and big ambitions and lacking the specifics for how he’d bring any of them about.
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=3E57ED76-78A8-46C4-A9D1-2680A775F052
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A usual MYTH has no substantial to say. Oh Oooooh, Joe in Albany won't like this. GOPolitico is his favorite website to copy. Maybe Joe in Albany could start copying another politico website.
Romney & Netanyahu want to start World War Three, their guts and our Blood !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bev - Did we really need experts to tell us that Romney - as usual - says nothing? Let's see, his tax proposals - Can't tell us specifics; his foreign policy - no specifics; his economic plans - uh, nope, uh uh not telling.... The usual bob & weave - typical Romney - nothing; nada; zilch; zero; nil!
Obama/Biden 2012
Jim, 2 billion a year was going to Egypt long before the Muslim Brotherhood, I think it must have started near or after the Camp David Accords. We were ask for help by NATO in Libya. To hate Obama so much that you have to make stuff up just to try and prove a point is not cool. You are nothing but the usual right wing scum that have trouble with the truth. I am beginning you don't have to be right wing to be a liar, but it helps.
obama has made the middle east more volitile then before. Bush was much better then Obama and he was not good at it. Obama has made Americas enemys stronger and Romney has just stated the obvious.
Time for you on the left to wake up.
rukidding - you're totally insane - no doubt about it. You don't have a clue about anything but continue to post incoherent lies.
Obama/Biden 2012
And please tell us, what are Obama's specifics other than he wants to raise taxes on "millionaires and billionaires" (when actually he LIES because his tax increases start at $200k for single and $250k for marrieds) and continue to spend, spend, spend with NO BUDGETS, NO PLAN and NO CLUE ???
jim,
One more time - budgets do not control spending, spending bills do.
Spending bills originate in the House which is Republican controlled and they passed spending bills for over one trillion dollars more than projected revenues.
rukidding47
I agree with Seeking Sanity. You and your cohorts are so lost in time.
@ jim-1455434
Furthermore, what do we have in Libya after about $1 billion spent on Cruise missiles to overthrow the government there ? Will Libya become radicalized as well ?
Then, of course, we have Speeking Insanity with her verbal attacks on another poster because she cannot handle an opinion that is not "boot-licking" for Obama ! Eqypt is MORE unstable than when Obama was inaugurated. Libya is no longer stable and their leadership is a question mark. Iran thumbs its nose at the U.S. led sanctions as it gets closer to a bomb.
A Tale Of Two Presidents
Sanctions in 72 hours: How the U.S. pulled off a major freeze of Libyan assets
Feb. 25, an e-mail arrived from a Treasury official with startling news. Their $100 million estimate was off — orders of magnitude off. The e-mail said there was in “excess of $29.7 Billion — yes, that’s a B.” And most of the money was at one bank.
It was a piece of extraordinary good fortune for the Obama administration at a crucial moment in the efforts to address the bizarre and deadly events unfolding in Libya.
Never before had U.S. officials so quickly launched economic sanctions affecting so many assets of a targeted country.
The frenetic 72 hours leading up to the Executive Order 13566 illustrate how a process of identifying and freezing assets — something that customarily has taken weeks or months — has become one of the first tactical tools to employ in the midst of fast-breaking crises.
It also shows that government officials have learned from other recent economic sanction efforts, including against Iran and North Korea. Instead of being a secondary measure, as in the past, economic sanctions have become a centerpiece of national security policy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/sanctions-in-72-hours-how-the-us-pulled-off-a-major-freeze-of-libyan-assets/2011/03/11/ABBckxJB_story.html
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Meep Meep next time you righties want to drone get your fact straight
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Obama/Biden 2012
Which Romney was giving this foreign policy speech? White-face Romney or Hispanic-face Romney? I can never keep those guys straight...and you never see them together...
Why do the networks throw softballs to Republicans this time of the year?
Especially one month before election its time to boycott the so-called liberial networks ABC,CBS,NBC and CNN at least I know what I'm getting with FOX news
Interesting posts today. This has been one of the best weeks in the last few years. Apparently many folks are waking up. I have never trusted polls and I still don't but from the comments I have seen in the news (CNN, NBC & Fox) Romney is in pretty good shape.
I have seen several posts about Obama giving the Muslim Brotherhood 2 Billion dollars a year in help. I also read that to keep the Obama family living the way they are now accustomed to living is costing the taxpayers 1.4 Billion. Seems to me getting rid of the Obamas is a win win. I tried posting a few links but they get stripped out. Just google it an there are multiple sources.
I think Obama loves being the President and all of it's benefits but doesn't like the work normally required of a US President. I think he will be relieved when he has to step down. He has made a name for himself and can still hang out with the Hollywood crowd and pro-athletes but it will be on his dime minus Secret Service for life costs. Never know though; they may all pull an Oprah and disassociate themselves from him when he is no longer President. Looks like about 28 days from now we will all know. I am either going to slip into a deep depression or I will be as happy and elated as I have ever been when we get this guy out of the Whitehouse.....I am betting on being elated!
empty: You know what you are getting on Faux news; LIES! The rest have to get by Comcast.
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Exito, because other disagree with you or post something that isn't reported on NBC news makes it a lie? You should try being a little more open minded. I read numerous different news organizations to include Fox so I can form an opinion based on a variety of sources. It is nothing more or nothing less than my opinion which I am entitled to share on this site just like you. I don't agree with the majority of the comments but I can appreciate those that would like to discuss or debate the issues without calling them lies and some of the other names that I frequently see here.
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, when asked about weapons of mass destruction in an ABC News interview, March 30, 2003 (Source)
"British intelligence has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." –President Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address (Source)
Here's a prize!...
"I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are." –White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, July 9, 2003 (Source)
"In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Vice President Dick Cheney, Nov. 7, 2003 (Source)
"Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —President Bush, discussing the Iraq war with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, after Robertson told him he should prepare the American people for casualties (Source)
But the winner is... Mitch Daniels!
From Wikipedia:
Daniels was responsible for estimating the cost of the invasion of Iraq, Operation Iraqi Freedom. The operation was estimated to last six months... In 2002, Assistant to the President on Economic Policy Lawrence B. Lindsey estimated the cost at between $100–$200 billion, much higher than Daniels' estimate. Daniels called Lindsey's estimate "very, very high" and stated that the costs would be between $50–$60 billion.
Bev- politico......really?
Bev,
I dont think anyone with common sense needs expert opinion to know Ryand an rom know diddly squat about foreign affairs . They just read what bushs' retarded, retreaded, fast-boat spinners put in front of them.
I checked my garbage pile to see if i could find their speeches and sure enough they were gone.
Ryan and foreign policy.
Romney and foreign policy.
Put our foreign policy into their hands and what do you get?
A third world country. The United States of America.
The Republican Party is incompetent when it comes to foreign policy. And I think the country knows it. It appears that Gallup #'s just out look v. good for President Obama.
Looks like he got a huge bump yesterday because of the job #'s, which explains why Joe Scarborough and the rest of the Republicans went ballistic on Friday. Good news for America is evidently bad news for the Republican Party. It was written all over their faces on Friday.
It explains why the silence on the Romney campaign plane the other day.
Let's face it. The GOP is not rooting for America. Never was it more clear than Friday on.
Here you go - from DailyKos:
Now their regular REAL release was just made at 1 pm Eastern. And it show OBAMA GAINING. Horserace in their 7-day average went from 49-46 yesterday to 50-45 today, a 2 point Obama gain. Presidential approval went from 48-46 to 51-44, A 5 POINT OBAMA GAIN.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/08/1141650/-GALLUPS-REAL-Release-Shows-Obama-GAINING-2-Head-to-Head-5-on-Approval
America is standing with our president.
When the job #'s were released, that became the moment when style over substance mattered during the debate.
President Obama is the one doing the hard work, trying to get this country on track. Romney was just up on that stage as he said "having fun". He came off as a first class jerk.
Lawrence O'Donnell, Rev. Al, Martin Bashir and even First Read over the weekend didn't have a meltdown over the poll #'s.
If I can think of anybody else, I'll let you know. Can't at the moment.
Pat, you say the Republican party is incompetent when it comes to foreign policy. Sadly you are correct and the opposite used to be true. Traditionally Democrats had the better domestic policy and Republicans the better foreign policy but with the Neocon era things have changed and the Republicans don't seem to have either a good foreign or domestic (or economic for that matter) policy.
I remember Henry kissinger and his shuttle diplomacy between Washington and Tel Aviv and to Moscow, Bejing and so forth. Under Bush, priamarily, we saw Colin Powell have to lie before the UN and Condi Rice have to occasionaly travel here or there but nothing serious like the Camp David Accords. Carter and Ford and Nixon all worked on those. Carter won a Nobel Prize for the Camp David accords. Even the demigod Reagan stepped in only when necessary to help our allies or the UN but not Bush 43 it was Cowboy all the way and now we pay the price. Those advising W are the same ones advising Romney and so one can summize that the policies would be the same.
Adler, and worse - the war mongers accused us of being Un-American because we spoke out against going into Iraq. We knew of the thousands of people who were going to be killed who had nothing to do with 9/11 and a country who was in no position to attack us.
And to what Paul Krugman said this weekend - the media can't seem to call a lie a lie. They can't do it.
We the people can. But very few in the media will stand with us. Very few.
Lawrence O'Donnell will. Keith Olberman will.
btw, isn't it ironic that Keith is gone and we have people on MSNBC who are rooting against America? It showed on Friday when the job numbers came out.
And MSNBC is supposed to be "Lean Forward"? With who? Joe Scarborough? Jack Welch and Dan Senor?
What is wrong with this picture anyway?
Romney wants to ship heavy arms to Syrian rebels. How is he going to keep Al Qaeda and the Taliban from getting them and using them on us?
I bet he didn't say anything about that in his foreign policy speech.
Pat, Boston, another terrific post or rather posts. ADLER, well said.
I find it troubling that the media so willingly lapped up Romney's style while ignoring the giant flip flops, ignoring his about face on his previous policies, ignoring the lies he spoke and the lack of substance. I don't buy the media spin now that it was Mitt moving to the middle, especially when the next day he was walking back the claims he made in the debate. It is about time the media start doing their jobs--report the facts, call a lie a lie.
Pat---I have been very disappointed in MSNBC's morning coverage. I turn on Morning Joe and if Joe is there I just switch; if he isn't there I wait to see how badly skewed the guests are in favor of the GOP. Usually I end up watching Mike & Mike to get some sports news.
Job1
You know when Obama is lying, because his mouth is moving and every 2 minutes he says Hummmmm, Uhhhhhhhhhh, but but but, Ahhhhhhhhh.
I wish the 7.8 umemployment figure was true for the sake of the Country and those that still don't have a job. Chicago accounting 101.
As far as foreign Policy is concern, the surprise is coming on who lie about what. Stay tuned.
Thanks Jody.
Steeler Fan, I can't bring myself to watch Scarborough any longer. I haven't since '09.
I so miss Keith. He would never ever have sat in his host chair with a glum face if the job #'s were favorable. Never in a million years. He would have been happy for those people who are getting jobs. And like Lawrence, he wouldn't have panicked after the debate the other night.
He would have done what is supposed to be done - point out the lies. It just comes naturally to him.
Lying comes naturally to Republicans.
That's the difference.
Pat Boston MA.
Here you go - from DailyKos:
Now their regular REAL release was just made at 1 pm Eastern. And it show OBAMA GAINING. Horserace in their 7-day average went from 49-46 yesterday to 50-45 today, a 2 point Obama gain. Presidential approval went from 48-46 to 51-44, A 5 POINT OBAMA GAIN.
-GALLUPS-REAL-Release-Shows-Obama-GAINING-2-Head-to-Head-5-on-Approval
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/08/1141650/-GALLUPS-REAL-Release-Shows-Obama-GAINING-2-Head-to-Head-5-on-Approval
America is standing with our president.
Yup, it is only the ones who refute the truth who will not believe it. I'm still appalled that they would think the BLS would cook the books because in essence it's the Chicago way. Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Birth'ism, Poll'ism, BLS'ism, Benghazi'ism, Left Media'ism, AffirmitiveAction'ism, American Myth'ism
Matthews: "Let's -- see, it's not your attitude about Obama people care about. it's your analysis and you came out this morning and asserted not a question mark or a question or concern about a coincidence, you say these Chicago guys will do anything so they change the numbers. do you want to take that back?"
Welch: "No i don't think so to take anything back."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/06/1140858/-Birth-ism-Poll-ism-BLS-ism-Benghazi-ism-Left-Media-ism-AffirmitiveAction-ism-American-Myth-ism
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What will be the obstructive right's next MYTH be besides Romney?
Pat - you're right - Lying does come naturally to Republicans. Telling the truth - they just don't have a clue how to do that!
Obama/Biden 2012
SeekingSanity, they lie every GD time they open their mouths up. But I have to say, I've never seen the likes of Romney at this stage of a presidential campaign.
His foreign policy speech today is getting panned all over the place.
We really have to all remember where Romney and Obama stood at the time of the Iraq War. Romney was for it, Obama was against it.
We really need President Obama. These Republicans pundits and politicians are despicable people.
Didn't seem to bother Obama when he shipped weapons to Egypt and Libya who got them.
Steeler Fan - more often than not I switch to Bill Press on Current. Especially when Joe gets on his Scarborough band wagon. I don't care what he did while he was in Congress or on vacation or where he went to college. And truly, I don't much care what his opinion is, but I do like some of his guests.
The sample that showed a 0.3 improvement to U3 unemployment to 7.8% in September is no good. It takes 128,000 added jobs to improve U3 a tenth of a percent, in other words it takes 384,000 added jobs to lower the U3 unemployment by three tenths. There were only 114,000 new jobs added in September.
3.5 million previously employed Americans wish to be working but have quit looking because of discouragement and for them their unemployment insurance has run out.
College graduates add 133,000 new workers each month. It is reported only 50% of these are finding a job. At least as many high school graduates not going to college must be added. And then there are the high school drop outs. None of these are counted under U3 rules because they have yet to apply for unemployment because they have not yet been employed.
By executive Order Obama added 1.6 million illegal Mexican youth to the list of people trying to find work.
1.8 million American engineers are unemployed, yet 'Obama's people' have informed him there is an engineering shortage, so Obama is issuing H1B visas by hundreds of thousands to import Mexican and Indian engineers. These engineers work cheap. Essentially Obama is outsourcing American jobs right here on American soil.
The idea that the Government Accounting Office measures unemployment by cold calling 50,000 households over the phone and asking somebody if they have a job or not in order to tell what the unemployment picture is is disturbing.
scott - you're now just spamming and that is against Newsvine rules.
What is disturbing Scott is people like you who are rooting for Obama to fail. People like you who will fabricate our own facts and figures to further your cause, all the while hoping that Obama will fail. You are sincere with your wanting Obama to fail. However, as you do that you hope America fails and that is where you are wrong. I sense people like you are rooting against Obama, mostly out of racial reasons that have nothing to do with the policy's that Obama has put into place to try and fix the mess that you refuse to acknowledge he was left. Scott, I don't think much of you as a person, or you as a citizen and I certainly don't condone your behavior.
John - scott is following the lead of Romney - when you have nothing to say lie and deflect. It's truly a sad state of affairs that the Republican party has fallen so low.
Obama/Biden 2012
Eric,
The war in syria is between the Ba'athists, the sunnis and the shiites, all muslims(excuse the spelling) Their president , Assad Is a ba'ath as was sadaam husein. Both are/were dictators. And, for what it is worth both are the US best friend (by comparison with the other 2).
We gave weapons to sadaam to fight Iran. We gave similar weaponry to Iran to fight Iraq. I guess we would be on the winning side no matter who won.Now both are POd at us.
Iraq fired the oil wells in Kuwait resulting eventually in sadaams demise. We knew every weapon in his arsenal because we gave them to him. Anyone who had any military background or had been in the area knew there were no WMD.
Incidentally we funded and armed Osama bin ladin to fight the russians in afganistan.
Now the turks were fired on by the Syrians (which ones I dont know) the Turks returned fire. The Turks are our allies but they too are muslims. We give arms to Syria and they use them on the Turks- there goes another ally.
And that only scratches the surface. You have to have a score card, something that r&r dont seem to possess.
"we will do what is necessary to prevent that from happening by having a strong military, by making sure that our adversaries do not test us, do not think that we are a weak and in retreat,” he said."
So exactly what message is Ryan sending to our adversaries with statements like that? That our current military is weak? That America is weak and in retreat? That when Mitt Romney is President, our adversaries will never test us?
I'm not surprised that Paul Ryan seems to actually believe that. What amazes me is why anyone else would.
What amazes me is you can't see it is the truth.
There Goes Lying Ryan
From the article above
So the Congressman distorts the President Obama’s record by saying “President Obama does not have a good record to run on”.
Congressman, you are WAY, out of your league.
Go grab your juice box, get your blanky and take a nap.
Salud
rukidding -
When Romney goes to Afghanistan and tells our troops to their faces that our military is "weak and in retreat" and they give him a standing ovation, then maybe I'll agree with you.
When Romney has been in office for four years- no, four months! - without our adversaries testing us a single time, then maybe I'll agree with you.
Oh, and then there's this part:
"The size of our Navy is at levels not seen since 1916. I will restore our Navy to the size needed to fulfill our missions by building 15 ships per year, including three submarines. I will implement effective missile defenses to protect against threats"
I've read the speech twice now and can't find the part where he expalins how he'll reduce the deficit at the same time he does all that. Can you point me to that passage?
What amazes so many in the United States and around the World, is the fact that this foolish man, Willard Mitt-Wit Romney the talking lying buffoon, is the Republican choice for President of the United States.
What Romney and Ryan fail to recognize is that the strongest military in the world does no one any good IF the country fails to invest in its people, its infrastructure, its economy. The Romney/Ryan vision is that of North Korea--powerful military but little else. Just because a country has military might does not make that country strong. When we spend billions and trillions gearing up for never-ending war, we starve other vital and necessary programs that are just as important to American might as a super-military.
Excellent point, Jody. I think it was Bill Clinton who said back in 2008:
"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power.”
Jody, very well said.
Jody, that was well said!
And especially apt when you consider the combination of reducing revenue from 23 to 20% of GDP with increased military expenditures AND a 5 trillion dollar deficit tax proposal. Makes you wonder exactly where the cuts will be made to fund the 2 trillion dollar increase to the military budget.
It would have to come from those programs that benefit the average citizen and expenditures for infrastructure. (Side note - oddly enough, the loss of funding for infrastrucutre means fewer jobs and less economic opportunity for businesses . . . )
I have friends who live in Europe who tell me Obama is a joke. He is not respected and considered weak.
JERSY - You have NO friends who live in Europe. President Obama is well respected in European countries. Romney on the other hand is considered a buffoon. My favorite comment is from the Deputy PM of Australia who said it best - "the crazies and crackpots of the Republican party put the economy of the world at risk."
Obama/Biden 2012
Speeking Insanity, You are totally clueless as to what friends Jersy may or may not have in other countries.
You are simply proving that you will say anything at all when you are in attack mode. Taking a quote out-of-context proves nothing.
Bill Clinton? Seriously? The same guy who doesn't know the meaning of the word "is"?
That may be true JG. But I have friends in Japan, several countries in Europe, Israel, and Australia (some of whom are native btw - not Americans) who tell me that President Obama is FAR preferred to Gov. Romney. They seem to beleive that Gov. Romney is a "egomanical buffoon who is play acting at being a leader" (their words) and fails to understand the need for diplomacy (versus saber rattling and threats).
Guess it's who you listen to.
jim - the quote was totally in context. And, you prove with every post that you know absolutely nothing.
Oh, and you're right - your post are "speaking insanity," even though you can't spell.
Obama/Biden 2012
Jo-Ann..you finally see the light ...The answer to most of your questions....YES
mike-Pa - so you agree that Ryan is making dangerous and reckless statements that only weakens the US abroad? I thought so. He is a ridiculous excuse for a man.
Obama/Biden 2012
Oh Seeking Sanity, you are so clever with your English grammar .... criticize a typo of mine, then you say your "post" (singular) "are" (plural) ..... making YOU to appear the hypocrite for a day ! LOL !!
Love this part..."does not have a good record to run on, he has resorted to trying to distort ours"
Always accuse the opposition of your own crimes :)
The only specific item I saw from Mr. Romney's speech was a rpomise to withdraw from Afghanistan by 2014.
It's the same as has already been proposed by President Obama and agreed to by NATO.
Would that make Mr. Romney's proposal "Leading From Behind"?
Romney has complained that 2014 is too soon and is giving AQ a timeline for action. Romney seems to be having more of a debate with himself than he did with Obama.
Gee noid, didn't Obama just follow Bush's timeline for pulling out of Iraq?
Seems you folks blow that trumpet every chance you get.
What's the diff?
woodbutcher: "Romney seems to be having more of a debate with himself than he did with Obama."
Seriously. Just listen to what he said today:
"And in Afghanistan, I will pursue a real and successful transition to Afghan security forces by the end of 2014. President Obama would have you believe that anyone who disagrees with his decisions in Afghanistan is arguing for endless war. But the route to more war – and to potential attacks here at home – is a politically timed retreat that abandons the Afghan people to the same extremists who ravaged their country and used it to launch the attacks of 9/11."
So which is it, Mr. Romney? How can you say in one sentence that you'll transition to Afghan security forces by the end of 2014 and then in the very next sentence call that "the route to more war - and to potential attacks here at home" and "a politically timed retreat that abandons the Afghan people"?
But here's my favorite part:
"I will evaluate conditions on the ground and weigh the best advice of our military commanders."
Right.....if there's a President - or even a Presidential candidate - in either party in my lifetime who hasn't said the exact same thing, I can't think of who it is. As foreign policy "positions" go, it's the safest one ever.
Nothing new here. Foreign policy always looks so much easier from the bleachers.
As stated above...
President Obama announces a plan to withdraw from Afghanistan and it's deemed a "politically timed retreat"...yet the same plan announced by Mr. Romney is deemed "leadership".
Really?
maybe because it is spoken by a leader?
sirie - Romney couldn't lead a troop of boy scouts out of the forest if they were actually on a trail. This excuse for a man is possibly the WORST candidate EVER put up for President.
Obama/Biden 2012
Sirie, Obama leads ...........................................................................from behind !
But then again, Speeking Insanity jumps in with a verbal assault on Romney, the same man who just "mopped the floor" with Obama the Sham-Wow salesman last Wednesday night ! LOL !!
SeekingSanity ...The worst candidate ever is now ahead in the polls on a Democratic sitting President...What does that make this DEMOCRATIC President ?....Hmmm...yea ..you can say it...THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER!! Yep...you are so good at proving my point.....You and Biden have a lot in common...
mike-Pa - You're right that the worst candidate EVER represents the idiots left in the Republican party. The sane people are supporting President Obama who is currently rated as one of the top 14 Presidents. However, we all know Bush is and will forever be the WORST PRESIDENT IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY.
Please - try to keep up!
Obama/Biden 2012
i AM KEEPING UP WITH THE POLLS ! By the way ...please show me your unbiased rankings.....I am glad Bush is not running either .. I voted for Hillary last time in the Primary.... By far the weakest Leader and do nothing President -is Obama.. You see I did that with out calling you names...I wish you could do the same.
You see I dont hate people because the Politically disagree... I cant wait to hear the Personal attacks from the Left since they got their Ass handed to them.
By the way...If Romney lied as much as you say...Why didnt President Obama call him out in the debate...
You know the reason why...Because the President is so inept and has such a lack of Command on the Economic issues of our Country.....and it clearly showed.
mike-Pa, Obama could not call out Romney, because every time Obama lied, Mitt called him on it and Obama could do nothing but look down, look away, or nod his head in unconscious agreement ! He was lost without his teleprompter and his contrived background of Obamabots !!
Oh, and Seeking Sanity ... she almost always attacks other posters with different opinions and she thrives on name-calling .... but magically, never seems to be "disciplined". Sometimes, she will call people "idiot", "gutter trash", "liar", "pathetic", "disgusting", etc, etc ad nauseam. Perhaps, she wears a cheerleader outfit with a big "O" on the front.
ah jim - I see you're obsessed again today. LOL - it never fails. But, that's okay since all you post is nonsense and stupidity - which is par for the course for you. It's all you've got since you have no logic and no real arguments of any value.
Poor little jim - now go commiserate with mike. You're two of a kind. Both clueless! Both Republican!
Oh, my cheerleader outfit is at the cleaners!
Obama/Biden 2012 - the intelligent choice!
27 lies in 38 minutes, a new world record even for Romney.
I would guess that mike didn't even watch the debate, he is going by what Rush Limbaugh said. The fact is Obama did call Romney out on his lies. Especially about his 5 trillion tax cut and his two trillion in new spending. It don't add up and never will. I personally wonder how many of you right wonders will have to hold their nose when they vote for this liar.
Yeah, Bush set a timeline... he was sooo good at keeping to those, wasn't he? And let's not forget:
"My fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." Under the banner "Mission Accomplished."
05/01/2003, George W. Bush, President
John I watched it word for word...so did 67 million watch Obama fumble and mumble because he just does not understand the issues....He learned a lot that night about the Economy...It showed . He was Unprepared to become President and his incompetence showed all night long. Again...if Romney Lied ... Obama should had been at least sharp enough to call him out..But lts face it ...he does not understand the Economy...and 67 million people saw it .
What Foreign Policy leadership? The GOP/RNC "Speculator and Chief" made no serious argument at all, and he gave no specifics. Who wrote the speech for the GOP/RNC "War Hawk and Chief?" It sounded like "Chump-Change-Cheney wrote his speech. The true beliefs of the GOP/RNC concerning Foreign Policy was clearly revealed in the video. The "Do Nothing" Foreign Policy of the GOP/RNC "War Hawk and Chief" was honestly stated in the video. His speech today was so "Alien" to what is going on in 2012. Does the GOP/Tea Begger think that the Cold War is still going on? He looked uneasy, and that he was "Winging It" for most of the speech. It is very obvious that the "Bush Doctrine" is alive and well in the mimd of the GOP/RNC "War Hawk and Chief." His plan is to shoot first! Then lead from behind later when the diplomatic damage has been already done. Russia is not our biggest issue in the year 2012. President Obama is correct in using diplomacy first to get China and Russia on board with sanctions against Iran. In the mind of "Richie Rich" Ryan good leadership means presenting no real leadership at all. The GOP/RNC "War Hawk and Chief" loves to be honest only in very quiet rooms. When in public the only message is to just outright lie!
Obama had none in 2008 and now you think he is great. So what?
WOW - Progressive Forward: well written and well said. Mutt gets near the button and goodbabye America. And Joanne in PA - you're the best - intelligent, calm, well researched and you make sense. Willard just wants to look in his Mittythical Mirror and have his speech writer give him another good debate speech; he'll practice and memorize for weeks on end, and then come to the debate all prepared spilling his bag of beans, tumbling out endlessly, lie after lie, after lie, interrupting Obama and ignoring Leher, and then more lies, big promises, and then add in those scare tactics and war mongering, but truth be told, 90% of what he says is total fodder - does he just make it up as he goes along?? Lying Ryan calls him the stench? Anyone want to ask why?
Ryan promised that a GOP ticket would keep the country safe. Seem to remember another GOP candidate saying that in 2000.
Just a little side note libs.
"Return policy" kicks in on Obamacare at the end of the month.
Have a heart attack and hospital treats you, good. Have to come back to the hospital within 30 days because of that heart attack, hospital gets fined $125,000.
You think ANY hospital is going to accept Obamacare or Medicare when the law says a hospital is FINED because of YOUR health problems?
Yeah, Obamacare and the new Medicare laws sure are "great", aren't they?
Just thought I'd bring that up since Obama's "foreign policy" is to treat our allies like DIRT and our to bow down to and apologize to our enemies. And you libs support that so why argue about it?
Uh...what do you mean, "Obamacare"?
Oh, you must mean that health care coverage that you actually buy from a private company. Yeah, no...no way the hospitals are going to accept that, are they?
Hospitals are complying now...and reducing costs. Any more poor arguments?
Roger
That is not what the law says.
It states that if it is determined that the Hospital did not properly treat the medical problem thus causing an unnecessary return for additional treatment then they can /may be fined. In other words it is similar to malpractice.
The hospitals already have accepted Obamacare, and for a very good reason. It saves them money. Right now, a substantial number of poor people are showing up in the Emergency Room, the most expensive and least effective way for anything but emergency treatment, and then stiffing the hospital for the bill.
When everyone is insured, the hospitals don't get stiffed. They get paid by the insurance company.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio -
So you saying a Tea Party blogger didn't tell the whole story?
Like when Faux, Rush, Beck and the other right-wing media psychos don't tell the whole story?
Or mis-quote the President?
Or outright lie about the President?
That type of behavior is contagious. Almost cult-like behavior.
Salud
@roger Medicare has already been refusing payments to hospitals that have released patients too soon for a long time.
RogerDM, nothing like your own interpretation to suit your view of ObamaCare. The hospitals are being fined for having to readmit patients who weren't properly treated in the first place, sent home too soon, etc. If a person needs follow-up care for a condition or further testing, there is no fine.
You are just another low information tea bag person that doesn't know what the hell you are talking about.
Hmmm, which allies would those be? Pakistan? Who cashed our checks for money to support the war on terror but hid Osama bin Laden for 6 years within site of their most prestigious military academy?
As for apologizing to our enemies, let's just look at the last two large engagements for our military under Republican leadership: Iraq and Afghanistan. C'mon, 10 years to subdue two countries smaller than some US states? WWI lasted 4 years and WWII lasted 6 years. These were wars fought on a global scale.
The idiots in charge, good Republican businessmen, lost sight of the goal. More worried about Halliburton's profits than US security, they dithered until the clock ran out and then retired to live in luxury with "thank you's" from Halliburton.
President Obama is waging war the smart way. Al Quaeda is the enemy. Al Quaeda doesn't have a country. Al Quaeda is spread among many countries with a distributed network of operatives. How do you fight a ground war against this? You can't!
What you can do is make it very, very dangerous to be an Al Quaeda leader. Obama has done that.
abcnews, Sep 30, 2011:
There's Osama bin Laden, of course, killed in May.
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader Anwar al-Awlaki as of today.
Earlier this month officials confirmed that al Qaeda's chief of Pakistan operations, Abu Hafs al-Shahri, was killed in Waziristan, Pakistan.
In August, 'Atiyah 'Abd al-Rahman, the deputy leader of al Qaeda was killed.
In June, one of the group's most dangerous commanders, Ilyas Kashmiri, was killed in Pakistan. In Yemen that same month, AQAP senior operatives Ammar al-Wa'ili, Abu Ali al-Harithi, and Ali Saleh Farhan were killed. In Somalia, Al-Qa'ida in East Africa (AQEA) senior leader Harun Fazul was killed.
Administration officials also herald the recent U.S./Pakistani joint arrest of Younis al-Mauritani in Quetta.
Going back to August 2009, Tehrik e-Taliban Pakistan leader Baitullah Mahsud was killed in Pakistan.
In September of that month, Jemayah Islamiya operational planner Noordin Muhammad Top was killed in Indonesia, and AQEA planner Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan was killed in Somalia.
Then in December 2009 in Pakistan, al Qaeda operational commanders Saleh al-Somali and 'Abdallah Sa'id were killed.
In February 2010, in Pakistan, Taliban deputy and military commander Abdul Ghani Beradar was captured; Haqqani network commander Muhammad Haqqani was killed; and Lashkar-e Jhangvi leader Qari Zafar was killed.
In March 2010, al Qaeda operative Hussein al-Yemeni was killed in Pakistan, while senior Jemayah Islamiya operative Dulmatin - accused of being the mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombings – was killed during a raid in Indonesia.
In April 2010, al Qaeda in Iraq leaders Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi were killed.
In May, al Qaeda's number three commander, Sheik Saeed al-Masri was killed.
In June 2010 in Pakistan, al Qaeda commander Hamza al-Jawfi was killed.
Remember when Rudy Giuliani warned that electing Barack Obama would mean that the U.S. played defense, not offense, against the terrorists?
If this is defense, what does offense look like?
Sure doesn't sound like any apology to me!
The world has become a dangerous place for Al Quaeda leaders. And Obama built that. George W. Bush, in 8 years of continuous war on two fronts, couldn't do that!
Now, Mitt Romney has hired a large percentage of Bush's old advisors. Do we really want to abandon Obama's approach and return to Bush/Romney's?
I saw the Romney speech... what's up with the teleprompter? I've been hearing for 4 years now that only inept politicians use them for their speeches. I'm just sayin'... goose.... gander !!!
Mmm...saucy!!!
Voting independent -
I guess you could say the Governor is tele-pathetic.
Salud
the difference is what the man says without one... I think you know about the debate.
sirie - it was one debate. When all three are done Mitt will look the idiot he clearly is. And, when Mitt has a teleprompter - which he does for most of his events - plus the speech today, he looks ill-prepared and oafhish!
Obama/Biden 2012
More "trash talk" about how Obama will "mop the floor with Mitt Romney" ?? Tsk. Tsk.
You are indeed a very slow learner aren't you ? Bam-Bam was the one who looked foolish and ill-prepared.
The President is a much smarter man than Willard Romney, who is nothing more than a complete lying idiot. Remember, round 2 is coming.
round 2 on "foreign policy"
what exactly is our current foreign policy Job1?
Perhaps you should do some research to help you out.
Sirie?? needs to read EEnginner's post - he/she will get a well-rounded education today. Regarding the debates, teleprompters, etc.; remember, Willard went to his Mitty Mirror for one or two months straight, behind closed doors and rehearsed and "memorized" every word that his speechwriter wrote for him. He came out and like a broken bag of marbles, words began tumbling out, one fabrication after another, lie upon lies, non-stop, no breaths taken (didn't want to miss a word he so diligently memorized); hum "got to get this right" no flips, no flops. And he still needed his teleprompter. After all, he memorized it word for word and one interruption would have nailed him and sent him flip flopping around like that fish out of water we've seen so often before.
Willard's foreign policy is sending jobs for a profit to China; and to hell with America!! Stashed all his profits in the Kayman Islands, pays no taxes as all Americans do, and gave nothing back to America; that's his record, period. He's not respected in Europe - they think he's the buffoon that he really is. But he's the GOP's choice for President, albeit the wrong choice, but I respect that. But as my Mom always told us kids, "ignorance is bliss".
Let's continue to go forward - Vote OBAMA2012
Hospitals are complying with that now....and reducing costs. Next?
Of Romney's 24 foreign policy advisers, 17 are left over from the Bush administration, including some of the most radical, like John Bolton, who would like to level the United Nations. "Being more assertive on the world stage" has always been the goal of the neoconservatives and was made clear in the charter document of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) published in 2000 that called for "a Pearl Harbor event" that would help them launch their platform.
It's not a lunatic fringe outfit. Original signers included Cheney, Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, among other notables. It's still chaired by Bill Krystol. This quote is from their web page.
"The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.
The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world."
Boiled down, the goal of the PNAC is this: America is the world's only remaining superpower and should act like it by dominating the rest of the world.
We had eight years of this policy from 2000 to 2008. And now we have Romney proposing that we take it up once again.
Economic policies of the Bush era? Check. Foreign policies of the Bush era? Check. Energy and deregulation policies of the Bush era? Check. Meet the new boss...same as the old boss....
If money spent is an indicator of a strong military then the U.S. already spends more money on defense then the next 14 of the top 15 defense spenders in the world. Many of the 14 are already aligned with the U.S. so the question is how strong of a military based on spending do we need? I'm not sure what an extra 2 trillion dollars is going to buy us when the money spent didn't protect us from the Oklahoma bombing or the twin towers or the Pentagon from having a commercial flown into them.
The one thing that I do understand is that corporations like Haliburton, General Dynamics, Northrop Gruman and a plethora of others made over $316 billion in 2011.
so which way is it Repubes? Are the polls fair or are they bias? If you are going to blame the left wing media polls for backing Obama, dont forget to include that bastion of liberal thinking, Foxnews, which has consistantly put Obama in the lead. But mr magic underwear got a bump this week so which is it?
And while we are at it, what are the marching orders for this week? Is the president a communist , a socialist or a facist? Some of you have not read the memo on how to think this week, cause I am reading he is all 3
Romney, foreign policy? You mean like insulting or greatest ally, Israel and Poland? You mean like the typical shoot first and when you get around to it you ask questions foreign policy?
Secretary Clinton and the President have worked very hard to restore much of what Dubya destroyed with regard to our relations with other countries.
Mitt Romney has shown me nothing, I repeat, NOTHING that shows he understands foreign policy and America's role in world affairs.
Let's not forget how Mitt also insulted the Palestinians.
Who has Willard not insulted? Other than the IMC. that man wants war.
Sad Eagles Fan for Obama/Biden 2012
Exit 0 -
Saying that Ryan "bolsters Romney's foreign policy offensive" would be like the Eagles signing me to bolster their offensive line. Except you couldn't pay me enough to want to protect Michael Vick.
Hey, on the way home Friday night, I was behind a car that had two or three Obama/Biden bumper stickers and an Exit 0 one - was that you turning into the middle school around 6:15pm? :)
Exito---your team sure gave us a fight---I was very nervous the whole game. Wishing you the best of luck the rest of the year. Wouldn't an all-Pennsylvania Super Bowl be fun?!
I wonder if Mitt would be willing to pay any more taxes to fund the wars he's planning on having. Maybe building all those ships is how he is going to lower unemployment.
Somebody kick my Lion loving azz. But like it or not I have been a fan of theirs since Bobby Lane kicked Johnny's azz. When Paul Brown was the Cleveland Browns. Oh well Exito see you next week.
Michigan is G.M. bub, no vote for you. Obama/Biden 2012
JoAnne: No.
Steeler Fan: Not gonna happen, but it would be fun.
If you don't mind keep those right wing political commercials on your side of the river.
Myth just got done saying a couple days ago that we shouldn't borrow money from China for PBS . . . But today he says we should borrow money from China to send more American kids to the ME for another pointless non-winnable war? That's crazy.
PBS funding for 1 YEAR = Pentagon funding for 6 HOURS (at current spending rates) . . . but this GOP ticket wants to give the Pentagon more money than it says it needs to keep us safe (R & R know better than the Pentagon??)
"the GOP ticket will keep America safe"??? like the last one did?
I DO NOT FEEL SAFE - this is VERY scary!!!
VOTE DEM - Like your ***KIDS' LIVES*** depend on it! (You can bet R & R's kids won't go)
O&B!!
Neither of the Republican candidates have any foreign policy experience. Ordinarily, a Presidential candidate without foreign policy experience will choose a running mate who compensates for that lack with congressional or senatorial experience on foreign policy. Governor Romney chose Rep. Ryan who also does not have any foreign policy experience.
"Ordinarily, a Presidential candidate without foreign policy experience will choose a running mate who compensates for that lack with congressional or senatorial experience on foreign policy."
Ordinarily, a Presidential candidate will choose a running mate who compensates for SOME sort of lack somewhere - either foreign policy experience, geographical/electoral demographics, more appeal to women, seniors, or minorities, a Washington "outsider", or whatever fills the perceived need to "bolster" the ticket. So Romney, whose entire campaign has been based on his own personal business and economic experience, chooses a running mate whose supposed experience is in.....economics.
I'm just sayin'.....
Robert Maxwell is correct America! It sure sounds like Robert Maxwell has done extensive reading and researching on what a "Romulian Romney" State Department and Defense Department would look like. The "Bush Doctrine" not just means political domination of the world. It means the US domination of all resources of the world. Especially oil! Now the "Bush Doctrine" is masked in such words as freedom, leadership, and peace through strength. In the "Bush Doctrine" the word diplomacy, communication, and understanding do not exist. The "Bush Doctrine" is supportive of starting wars for profit, torturing of individuals, and in the end call all this leadership. Under the "Bush doctrine" there is no reason to fund any war because the 'freed' people will pick-up the expense. How is that working of us now America?
When times are as tough as they around the entire world right now, it is easy to find fault with the present leaders. Obama inherited a mortally wounded America reeling from two straight terms of disastrously incompetent leadership. Under Obama’s leadership, America is regaining the respect of the rest of world, jobs are on the rise in the U.S. and Iran is reeling from the measures imposed upon it. Romney is power hungry, pure and simple. He doesn't want what's best for America, he wants the glory of being President to add to the feathers in his cap. He is quick to criticize Obama’s policies but offers only the vaguest alternatives. He's not only in this race for all the wrong reasons ... he's proven himself absolutely inept at any form of diplomacy ...... stumbling from one major gaffe to the next. Aside from the financial elites in America, is there anyone he hasn't managed to offend? There has never been a time where the proper balance of diplomacy has been more required by the world's leaders. The U.S. cannot afford to foot the bill for more ineffectual wars. All they’ve accomplished is that the rift between the Muslim world and the West is as wide as it could be. Iran and Israel are staring down the barrel at each other. It is imperative that cool heads prevail. A hot head like Romney, bent on proving himself to be great, could well lead America to the end of it's global dominance. Iran wouldn't dare strike first at Israel .. they know it would be the end of them. Israel, on the other hand, is using Iran as a premise to fulfill an ideology no less extreme than Iran's. However, there is no strong deterent to Israel’s insanity because Israel is banking on the rest of the western world to save it from the repercussions of a first strike. Islam would be at all out war with the West - a war no one can afford to wage. You want Armageddon ... vote for Romney. George Bush and Romney are cut from the same mold.
Yeah, Paul "lyin" Ryan! What a joke, he can barely bolster his own back bone!
Obama/Biden 2012 "We Got It Straight In 2008!"
But when will Bam-Bam and "Hoof-in-mouth" Joe see to it that a BUDGET is passed ?
As soon as the dumb@!$%# obstructionist Republican'ts allow us to pass a budget to raise revenue and cut the budget!
Obama/Biden 2012 "We Got It Straight In 2008!"
Okay, so we have one buffoon who knows nothing about foreign policy endorsing another buffoon who knows nothing about foreign policy. And this is good news why? Those of you who say that Obama didn't have any foreign policy experience when he was elected, here's the difference. Obama said during his 2008 campaign that if he had the opportunity to take out Bin Laden, he would. Guess what, he did just that! Romney said in 2010 that he would not have spent the time and money to go after one man. Guess what, Bin Laden would still be alive if Romney had been president. Obama has restored the respect for the U.S. around the world. Romney was an embarrassment to himself and this country when he went abroad recently. In fact if his handlers hadn't have stepped in, he probably would have started a war with the UK. The moron can't even keep from pissing off our allies, what the hell would he do with our enemies?
spartan - and Obama chose Biden who is respected in Congress for his foreign policy abilities.
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He chose Biden because the dolt makes Obama look like a genius and no one else wanted the job.
Ranger - Joe Biden makes the occasional gaffe - no doubt. However, he is no dolt and both Republicans and Democrats in Congress have a great deal of respect for him as a politician and a man. Romney and Ryan, on the other hand, don't command respect from anyone who is intelligent enough to get through the alphabet without help!
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Occasional ????? LOL ! You could almost set your watch by Joe's many "bombs". I love it when he said U.S. citizens have been taxed to death during the last 4 years ... all on Obama's watch !
I can see the sweat stains in your arm pits that romney might win all the way from my house in Alaska.
Shees...more than sweat stains, I'm down right scarred. Except for the fact that my 30 year old son keeps telling me we, as a nation, have never gone backwards. Maybe we've taken a step back or two every now and then but we always leapfrog back to progressing. That gives me hope......and I don't remember who said it above but I like it so "We got it straight in 2008!!"
Obama/Biden
Romney and his advisers and his VP running mate seem to treat foreign policy as a chess game in which only our side gets to make the moves. Everybody else has to sit there and watch us demolish our opponents one by one. They never get to react to anything we do.
One example. Let's cut all foreign aid to Pakistan, which has shown itself to be an unreliable ally. That's fine, as long as Pakistan will sit there, shrug their shoulders, and say, "Well, we can't lose those dollars so we'll do whatever you say."
What's more likely is that they'll turn to China for aid -- military and humanitarian. China is their natural ally in Pakistan's ongoing 60 year war with India. And China is likely to be only too happy to provide aid because it will boost their economy at home by providing more jobs.
Bush and the Congress were very happy to modernize Pakistan's Air Force with upgraded F-16s ten years ago, at the same time we were selling the nuclear farm to India. Sure, it created a kind of arms race but we were building the arms and it was very good for Raytheon and General Dynamics.
Romney and Ryan both show frightening signs of short-sightedness. Their time frame is terribly limited. This was made clear by Romney during the convention, when he accused Obama of "trying to stop the rise of the oceans." It's all about short-term profit. The long view doesn't exist.
Foreign policy is very much a chess game and Obama makes every move seemingly at random. It is as if he asks his pollster "What move should I make today to please my constituency?"
Foreign policy and diplomacy are extremely complex and subtle areas. It requires study, intelligence (of both sorts), and qualified academicians as advisers to keep from making serious mistakes. Obama lacks or ignores all of those, and just bumbles on. He insults our friends, he encourages our enemies, his policies, when comprehensible at all, are totally disconnected from National-level policy and objectives. His errors inspire only contempt from other world leaders.
Obama pretends he is "playing with the big boys" but they "like" him only because they can manipulate him so easily.
Don't see how the Republicans can possibly lose in the debates.
judgeing by the stupid performance of the Big Bird/Empty chair from the last debate, and the Joe Biden comedy act coming this Thursday, and the impossible task of Obammy to try and defend his "foreign policies", I don't see where Mitt or Paul have anything to worry about.
Great entertainment watching the libbies squirm. Gonna be better on November 7th. I will be here in force with my gloat face on. Matter of fact, that could be my new screen name. What do you think libbies??
Joseph -
I give you credit and respect for supporting your candidate.
Vice President Biden has been in the U.S. Senate since 1973. He will win the debate against Paul Ryan handily.
On November 6th, President Obama will be re-elected. He is one of the best presidents in my lifetime.
Salud
TomasGrande
Thomas, I have seen a big change in you, Your post were pretty neutral up to about 3 weeks ago and now you are showing your preference. Never the less you keep it very civil.
My question to you is as follow: What makes you thing that Joe Biden will do better than Ryan.
Rasmussen, pretty much has the race even and even the Huffinton Post has Obama winning by 1.5 Percent. What is even more telling is that the Huffinton Post has in its rolling chart, Obama percentanges dropping at the same time that Romney's is goin up.
I will say that both of us are hoping that our candidates prevail, for you that is Obama for me is Romney.
Good look. I sure hope that 7.8 unemployment figure was not fudge.
Concern Citizen -
Happy Monday.
As you know, our Vice President is, to say the least, extroverted. Seams most Vice-Presidents are out-spoken.
Joe Biden's experience in the Senate, and as Vice President clearly gives him an advantage from a resume perspective alone. The VP won't let the young Congressman get in any cheap shots.
I have always been a Democrat. Funny how both my parents were Eisenhower Republicans. I guess it skips a generation.
I try and keep my columns polite because it's the adult thing to do. I do however, sometimes let my 'Adam Sandler' side get the best of me.
Being polar political opposites, could we possibly be the Carville/Matalin of NBC News? Can we get paid for it?
LOL
Salud
The swing states haven't really shifted as a result of the first debate. Regardless of the 3 point bounce, Romney still has a very difficult path to 270. Ohio wasn't affected at all by the debate. Biden is expected to do better than Ryan for a few reasons. He has a lot more experience, and he has been in dozens of debates. Ryan has debated in his state House elections, but nothing like this debate.
In addition, Biden knows more about foreign policy than almost anyone in the Senate. On foreign policy issues, Ryan may look like a schoolboy. Biden will not make the mistake Obama made by holding back and playing prevent defense. In all likelihood, we will see an energetic, aggressive Joe Biden. Ryan has failed again and again to explain how the math works in the proposed tax cuts, and don't expect Biden to take it easy on the attacks.
Finally, when a debate features the elder statesman pitted against the young pit bull, the statesman tends to come across a lot better. Biden can be as aggressive as he wants without coming across as mean. Ryan risks looking like a bully if he is too aggressive. Anyone expecting Biden to provide some gaffe may be disappointed, as his debates are usually on point. I was watching the 2008 Biden-Palin debate on C-SPAN the other day, and he mopped the floor with her.
Obama's amateur, fumbling attempts at foreign policy have been an embarrassment to himself and to the US.
First, he publicly and loudly affirmed his support for a Palestinian state. This had the predictable effect of encouraging the Palestinians to seek their own separate state. Then, he had to order his Ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, to veto any UN resolution that might actually create a Palestinian state, in order to salvage the Jewish vote.
Most presidents (not all) have had sense enough to be consistent in the messages they send to the international community. Flip-flops, like Obama's, only create an atmosphere of uncertainty and distrust. Obama's blundering could well be an important factor in the Middle East violence we see today.
We desperately need Mitt Romney, who has the intelligence and maturity to forge a foreign policy consistent with well-thought-out national policy and objectives. Obama's foreign policy is thrown together on the spur of the moment, and based on nothing more than random political pressures.
Kannin - I'm still laughing at your post! "Mitt Romney, who has the intelligence and maturity to forge a foreign policy consistent with well-thought-out national policy and objectives"
Totally absurd. Mitt Romney can't keep one stance for a full day without flipping to another stance and you call that "intelligence and maturity? We call that pandering and inconsistent. Our allies as well as our enemies would never have a clue where they stood with the US if bumbling Mitt became President.
And, with that ridiculous post you showed yourself to be one of the very low information voters! But, don't worry, you're a perfect Republican. The party likes their supporters dumb!
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SS - Both you and Obama never learned that foreign policy, as well as economic policy, military doctrine, strategic policy, etc., are highly interactive and must work together as a coordinated whole, with the sole purpose of supporting top-level national objectives. A President must spend long hours of intensive study to master what is, arguably, the most complex of his duties. Obama obviously "skipped school" and is just treating foreign policy as an isolated series of decisions with no overarching strategy.
He has no discernible foreign policy strategy. Only foreign policy tactics: incoherent, driven by politics, inconstant, and totally coincidental to our national interests.
Romney has demonstrated an understanding of the hierarchy from National Objectives, through National Policy, down to Foreign and other policies, ending with tactics. Tactics are are the specific actions that implement policy in response to the ever-changing dynamics of the modern world. He has also demonstrated the ability to work hard, ever increasing his command of the knowledge necessary to be successful in any challenge he faces.
Kannin, you seem like an intelligent sort so I'll ask you (I haven't had any success elsewhere). What is one major aspect of foreign policy that differentiates Romney from Obama? I haven't seen one yet and I am concerned I may be missing something.
Chucky - how hard was it to post that Kannin seems intelligent?
Kannin - You clearly have no clue and it shows in your posts. Our President has restored respect of the US from world leaders. Romney, on the other hand, goes to Europe and insults everyone he meets. Oh yeah, he has a clue about foreign policy - NOT. And, it is clear, neither do you!
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Kannin, take off the rose-colored Mitt glasses. LOL, Mitt's foreign policy changes every hour just like all his other policies. You call insulting the entire nation of Great Britain shortly after he arrived in London for the Olympics intelligent and mature? You call insulting Palestinians while speaking in Israel intelligent and mature? You call declaring Russia our #1 geopolitical enemy intelligent and mature? Shoot, even Putin laughed at that stating he thought Mitt Romney was confused, that the Cold War ended nearly 30 years ago!
We are sure the Muslim Brotherhood supports Obama. Obama already has his "ringing endorsement" from Hugo Chavez.
Seeking, I desperately want one of these guys to give me an answer. I asked a couple of folks up on thread 1 and got nothing. Kannin seems to at least be the kinda guy to try to answer.
Come on Kannin, I'm a nice guy.
First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
sirie - the Social security nonsense has been debunked by the Social Security Administration. And, President Obama got loans as a US citizen which he finished paying off during his first year in the White House.
Obaam/Biden 2012
you can get loans and still be a foreign student...
sirie - I understand that. Where is your proof that he applied as a foreign student? Both Columbia and Harvard say that's NOT true.
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Has Columbia and Harvard shown the applications?
See, my point here is that people can spew anything out, just ask Harry Reid. In all fairness, there is so much useless lies on these blogs, some believe them to be real just because they support their cause.
Like saying Mitt will get us into WWIII, i mean, who really believes that?
Here are some real first:
First President to have the credit rating downgraded
First President to play golf 103 times in office
First President to be held in contempt of court
First President to sue a state (Arizona)
The poll, conducted by Pew Research Center from Thursday through Sunday and released on Monday, shows Romney leading Obama among likely voters nationwide, 49 percent to 45 percent. That's a stark contrast from Pew's mid-September poll after both parties' conventions, which showed Obama up 8 points among likely voters.
12 point swing
sirie - until everyone is required to show their college transcripts, admissions, etc., you have no right to ask it of anyone. However, all Presidential candidates have released at least 5 years of their tax returns - except Mitt.
Now you're getting ridiculous. The credit agency specifically said the downgrade was a result of Congress being unwilling to work with the President (so blame the Congress where the blame belongs); Why do you care how many times the President plays golf? He deserves his "free" time. Get over it!
Let's see he stopped the offshore drilling after the worst oil spill in history until it could be proved measures were in place to prevent another. Brave of him to take such steps.
And he sued Arizona over a law that was in conflict with Federal Law.
What else ya got - that's important and relevant.
Your list doesn't make Romney any better. He's still incompetent as a leader. Just ask the people of Mass!
Also, what does this have to do with foreign policy? Or is it that you clearly KNOW Romney and Ryan would be horrible when it comes to foreign policy?
PEW is the only poll showing that. Even Rasmussen which is notoriously Republican shows them tied and most polls still show Obama with a lead.
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;~p
I don't believe in polls, hell I don't even believe in Mitt Romney. But I think it is time for a change of the guard.
sirie - so why did you bring them up? I don't believe we make a change when the option is Romney. And, I believe if we change Congress we will get more done under a 2nd Obama term. So, make your change by voting as many Republicans out as possible. After all, they've been the obstructionists and don't care about the country - just Grover Norquist!
Obaam/Biden 2012
or both!
SeekingSanitiy - Why should I vote up and down for Democrats. Sometimes in good times Party members vote acroos the isle and that is when our government works the best.
The issue here is not the parties but more so The President and his diviseve whay of trying to get things sone. The leader is the problem. Take Kennedy, Regan, and yes Clinton. What did they have in common? LEADERSHIP!!!!!!!
sirie - I would not pay attention to SS. She thinks he knows it all. First President that sings better than he leads.
sirie - nope. Romney isn't fit to be President and really has no desire. His only desire is to "win," just like he did in Mass. He was an utter failure there and still stands as one of their most despised governors.
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Chucky - I see you're still waiting for that intelligent response from Kannin - and waiting and waiting......
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Unlike you SS, Kannin probably has a REAL life outside of this website. It's time to take it to the house !
A heart beat away from the presidency, don't say it can't happen, ask Lyndon Johnson, Gerald R. Ford. in my lifetime. Which would I want. Paul Ryan, not from what I have heard. Remember his acceptance speech had more lies in it then Romney's debate. Or Joe Biden, been a heart beat away since 09 and has done quite well. Besides ol' Joe is more like me then Ryan. I think I wouldn't mind having a beer with him while we talked about fishing.
Another reason to vote for Obama is to return Joe Biden to president of the Senate. Man think about it, next would be Boner. Scary.
Chucky Stuart - Just got home from work. I see that SeekingSanity has, as usual, been busy insulting me personally rather than making any informed counters to my arguments. We all know what that signifies.
Some brief answers to your very astute question: "What is one major aspect of foreign policy that differentiates Romney from Obama?" I hope you are still on line.
The first, most important, and least discussed is that Romney understands that foreign policy, as well as economic policy, military doctrine, strategic policy, etc., are highly interactive and must work together as a coordinated whole, with the sole purpose of supporting top-level national objectives. This ensures that our policy is coherent, resolute, and slow to change. This is as opposed to tactics which are are the specific actions that implement policy in response to the ever-changing dynamics of the modern world.
by contrast, Obama has shown no discernible foreign policy strategy. Only his foreign policy tactics: incoherent, driven by politics, inconstant, and totally coincidental to our national interests.
Second: Israel. Obama has explicitly stated that his policy is to create “daylight” between the United States and Israel, believing that this would earn us credits in the Arab world. Romney believes, and has stated, that our national interests are best served by standing strong with Israel and will work closely with Israel to maintain its strategic military edge.He will work intensively with Turkey and Egypt to shore up the now fraying relationships with Israel that have underpinned peace in the Middle East for decades.
Third: Iran. Romney believes that as Iran’s ballistic missile capacity improves, it will endanger Europe and eventually the continental United States. It will provoke an arms race in which the Arab nations themselves forge ahead with nuclear programs of their own. The result will be a nightmarish cascade of nuclear tensions in the worst’s most volatile region. Iran’s sponsorship of international terrorism would take on a new and terrifying dimension. He is willing to use every instrument of national power, and support the Iranian opposition, to ensure that the world will not have to fear Iranian nuclear suicide bombs.
Obama offered the ayatollahs “no preconditions” talks (which were rebuffed). The latest round of multilateral talks has produced no results. When asked during a press conference, President Obama shamefully refused to voice support for Iranian dissidents in 2009 as they were being killed in the streets, saying he did not want to “meddle” in Iran’s affairs. President Obama opposed and sought to water down crippling sanctions on Iran’s Central Bank until he was forced into them by Congress and our European partners. He then undermined those sanctions by issuing waivers to 20 of the top importers of Iranian oil, including China. Finally Obama abandoned a European missile defense system meant to protect against Iranian missiles.
I had a neighbor from Evanston, Wisconsin and he did not tell me of too many individuals that lost family members from wars in Viet Nam or any other wars. I personally doubt Ryan and I know for a fact Romney don't give a rat's a$$ about sending your sons or daughters to the front lines.
Yep I agree with you.......you are notsosmart