In foreign policy speech, Romney will encourage military spending, Syria intervention

 

Updated at 8:40a.m.ET: PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. – In a major foreign policy speech Monday Mitt Romney will attempt to stake out a more activist public position than President Barack Obama on supporting the rebels in Syria's civil war. Romney plans to say that he believes in working with partner nations to arm rebels fighting the government of Syrian President Bashir al-Assad.

Machine guns operated by motorcycle brakes? Get a glimpse at the rebels fighting against Assad's forces in Syria's mountainous Jabal al-Zawiya area.

He would equip the rebels – “who share our values” -- with heavy weapons to take out "tanks, helicopters and fighter jets," according to the remarks. The Obama administration has refrained from doing so out of concern that the weapons would end up in terrorist hands, according to The New York Times.

Romney will also argue that the U.S. must support the rebels to develop influence and good relations with the Syria’s future leaders.

Reuters, Getty Images

In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.

Syria is just one area Romney will touch on in a speech in which the Republican nominee will attempt to portray himself as a leader firmly in the peace-through-strength tradition of Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan, while casting President Obama as an ineffective leader on a dangerous and constantly-evolving world stage.

Related: Who are the Syrian rebels?

Romney will deliver a 30-minute address, titled "The Mantle of Leadership," later Monday at the Virginia Military Institute, his 10th address on the topic of foreign policy since summer 2011.

Recommended: Obama urges supporters not to lose enthusiasm

The former Massachusetts governor's speech, like the others before it, will focus on a vision of peace through strength. It will include new details on how Romney would address current global hotspots and repeat regular stump speech staples – such as the importance of averting planned defense cuts, expanding and reinvesting in the U.S. military and working closely with allies abroad, especially Israel.

In prepared remarks released Sunday to reporters, Romney laid out global issues where his campaign hopes to draw "great contrast" with Obama – notably on Libya, Syria and Egypt.

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The speech links the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi last month to al-Qaida, a position Romney has rarely engaged in on the campaign trail. Romney calls the attack "likely the work of the same forces that attacked our homeland on September 11th, 2001," and "the deliberate work of terrorists." The attack was not, he says, a spontaneous response to a movie trailer maligning the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, as the Obama administration initially said.

As he did at the Clinton Global Initiative last month, Romney will argue that U.S. aid to Egypt should be linked with promises from Egyptian leaders to uphold the 1979 peace treaty with Israel and to protect minorities, including the country’s Coptic Christians.

Romney, who offended some Palestinians with remarks he made in Israel suggesting the economic disparities between the Palestinian territories and Israel were based in part on cultural differences, will also promise to "recommit" to helping form a democratic Palestinian state alongside Israel.

"In this old conflict, as in every challenge we face in the Middle East, only a new President will bring the chance to begin anew," say Romney’s prepared remarks.

On the infamous "47 percent" tape of a Florida fundraising event in May, Romney predicted the Israeli/Palestinian conflict would "remain [an] unsolved problem."

"We have a potentially volatile situation, but we sort of live with it," Romney said at the May fundraiser, comparing the peace process to the decades-long standoff between China and Taiwan. "And we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately somehow, something will happen to resolve it."

During a Sunday conference call with reporters, Romney foreign policy advisers said Monday’s foreign policy speech was meant to align Romney with the foreign policy tradition of Harry Truman, Ronald Reagan and George Marshall.

"If you look at Harry Truman and John Kennedy and the use of power by Bill Clinton in his second term that is a much different approach than Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama so I do think it’s a bipartisan tradition, it’s a recognition that strength is not provocative, its weakness that’s provocative," former Ambassador Rich Williamson, a Romney foreign policy adviser, said on the call. "There’s a fundamental difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney and that’s part of the choice that American voters will be asked to make."

Democrats fired back preemptively at that characterization.

"Mainstream foreign policy isn't what Mitt Romney is putting forward: having plans to start wars but not end them; wanting to keep 30,000 U.S. troops in Iraq indefinitely; exploding our defense spending to levels the Pentagon has not asked for, with no way to pay for it; insulting our allies and partners around the world on the campaign trail; and calling Russia our number-one geopolitical foe," Obama campaign spokesperson Lis Smith said in a statement Sunday. "If that's where Mitt Romney thinks the mainstream is, he needs to find a better compass."

Aboard Air Force One Sunday, Jen Psaki, the Obama campaign's traveling press secretary, was more cutting when asked her views on the speech.

"We're not going to be lectured by someone who has been an unmitigated disaster on foreign policy every time he's dipped his toe in the foreign policy waters," Psaki told reporters. "The only person who has offended Europe more is probably Chevy Chase."

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Comment author avatarK1200RSExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Of course he will.. Coward, draft dodging chicken hawks always "talk the talk",...

.But , they never "walk the walk",.. willard strolled to France...

""In foreign policy speech, Romney will encourage military spending, Syria intervention""

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#1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:34 AM EDT
Comment author avatarslodonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

And Bill Clinton slithered off to London to avoid the draft.

BTW. Did you know that Romney was classified 1A from 1970 to the end of the draft?? How about your boy Clinton??

Here is something you might like to read.

Britt called draft board chairman Armstrong, his close friend, and asked him, as he later recalled, to "put Clinton's draft notice in a drawer someplace and leave it for a while. Give the boy a chance." This is apparently what Armstrong did for several months. Another member of the Garland County Draft Board, Robert Corrado, later remembered Armstrong holding back Clinton's file and saying that they had to give him time to go to Oxford.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp

  • 49 votes
#1.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:37 AM EDT
Comment author avatarslodonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Sorry here is the link and an excerpt.

Britt called draft board chairman Armstrong, his close friend, and asked him, as he later recalled, to "put Clinton's draft notice in a drawer someplace and leave it for a while. Give the boy a chance." This is apparently what Armstrong did for several months. Another member of the Garland County Draft Board, Robert Corrado, later remembered Armstrong holding back Clinton's file and saying that they had to give him time to go to Oxford.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp

  • 24 votes
#1.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:44 AM EDT

This isn't about Clinton sally bob,..

This is about willard... dodging the draft for a war he supported...

Clinton in contrast protested against involvement in the war..

I realize the contrast here might be a bit much for you to digest,.. not surprisingly..

  • 263 votes
#1.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:46 AM EDT

Oh go figure. Romney is pounding the Republican War Drums again. And we haven't even resolved their first war yet. *Rolls Eyes*

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#1.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:51 AM EDT
Comment author avatarG-9Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Let's talk about rom;nuts. Lies, cheats, steals, avoids the draft, has a total sense of entitlement, insults people daily, can't keep his story straight, has his campaign walk back lies on Twitter where they knoiw nobody will see them, lies about his employment at Bain, went to China and witnesses first hand human rights violations and instead of exposing them and righting the wrong he bought the company and moved US jobs there becaus eof the cheap labor, falsely portrays himself as a man of the people yet he shows nothing but true disdain for the people he claims to love, said he would do away with the Department of education yet at the debate he said he would fully fund it, he said at the debate he had a "plan" for health care that included pre-existing conditions yet his only "plan" is for individual States to do what they please and that has worked so well for the last two centuries, he talks out of both sides of his mouth saying he would reduce taxes but don't expect to pay less, he says he would go to war with Iran and Syria and go back to Iraq and heaven knows where else. I could go on all night about your buffoon of a candidate but I think you get the point.

  • 217 votes
#1.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:51 AM EDT
Comment author avatarMagnum SerpentineExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

This is the most biased I have ever seen NBC. I wonder if this is a result of being merged with Conservative Company Comcast?

Shame on you NBC!

And thats my opinion

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#1.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:08 AM EDT

Clinton opposed the Vietnam War, slodon. Romney supported it fully and vocally.

It's a shame you too blind to see the difference.

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#1.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:23 AM EDT
Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

So where is Obamas stellar army record??/ what?? You say he was NEVER in the military?? Well How come?? You'd think that the man that walks on water and cures the sick and blind with the mere touch of his hand would Volunteer to do a stint in the Armed forces to protect the country he loves so much..no, I'm not talking about Kenya..I'm talking about the good ole USA..So he wasn't in the military but he's made the decisions that got 1405 of our brave soilders KILLED in afghanistan..Yep lets vote that draft dodging son of a B I T C H back in office so he can kill another 2000 ..Baby killer!!!..Baby killer!!

  • 43 votes
#1.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:37 AM EDT
Comment author avatarmike-2598123Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

War on women,
War on fuel,
War on America,
What are we to do?

Fast and Furious,
And Benghazi too.
Several are dead,
Because of you.

Splitting the country,
In more ways than one.
You won't be happy,
Until you have won.

Wasted tax dollars,
Right down the drain
.And you want more,
You are inflicting such pain.

On November the sixth,
I will cast my vote.
And I hope and pray,
This is far as it goes.

I am a proud veteran,
Who went to Viet Nam.
And I will not bury,
My head in the sand.

To "The Messiah" Obama,
You must go.
For the good of the country,
God please make it so.

John D. 10/1/12

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#1.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:43 AM EDT
Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

So Jeff...what do you think we should do about the Embassy getting blown up and the ambassador being killed along with three more Americans..Do you EVEN realize that the Embassy there is the same as United States soil?? Do you know that?..There would be no difference if those towel headed bastards rented a ship and came ashore in Virginia and killed 4 Americans there before taking off again...So what would yOU do for an Attack on American soil?? Do like the president and bend over backwards to apologize and kiss their asses?..So tell me, what would you do??. You're bitching out romney for wanting to retaliate against them..so tell us ole smart one with all the answers..What would YOU do?

  • 43 votes
#1.10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:44 AM EDT
Comment author avatarMetteyyaExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Peace through strength? Sounds like CODE LANGUAGE for more unnecessary wars like the dumb war in Iraq which was supposed to be based on Weapons of Mass Destruction that were never there.

Romney actually plans to double-down on the FAILED FOREIGN POLICY of George W. Bush, in which you invade first and ask questions later. This cowboy mentality has no place on the world stage, and since Romney has ZERO foreign policy experience he has no choice but to rely on the same misguided foreign policy advisers that advised Bush/Cheney.

And from the SECRET VIDEO in which Romney insulted half of America as victims and dependents, Romney tells us that he is going to RESTART THE COLD WAR with Russia that was ended by both Democrats and Republicans, SEND TROOPS BACK INTO IRAQ, REFUSE TO END WAR IN AFGHANISTAN, INVADE IRAN (on another PHONY WMD excuse), INVADE VENEZUELA (and we are supposed to believe this is NOT about oil?), INVADE SYRIA (without a UN mandate), and OVERTURN THE EGYPTIAN DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADER simply because he is "too Muslim".

On top of all of this, Romney tells us in the same SECRET VIDEO that he will "kick the can down the road" on peace between Israel and the Palestinians, which means a continuation of the root problem that keeps Israel's neighbors hostile to it.

In short, ROMNEY WOULD BE A "TOTAL" DISASTER IN FOREIGN POLICY, and would COMPLETELY destabilize the world. He would make Bush W. and Cheney look like peaceful doves, which is hard to do given their penchant for more war.

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#1.11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:45 AM EDT

Blade, you realize that President Obama was 12 years old when the draft ended right? Even a Republican can't honestly call that draft dodging.

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#1.12 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:52 AM EDT

Blade, USA does not have an embassy in Benghazi, it was a consulate. The embassy is in Tripoli and it is properly protected. There is a difference.

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#1.13 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:00 AM EDT

slodon

And Bill Clinton slithered off to London to avoid the draft.

BTW. Did you know that Romney was classified 1A from 1970 to the end of the draft?? How about your boy Clinton??

Thought the debate was between Romney and Obama, why are you bringing up Clinton? Whats he got to do with the tea in China?

  • 122 votes
#1.14 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:02 AM EDT

Picture the wishey-washey flip-flopping lying Romney from the stump and the first debate. Now picture that guy handling foreign policy and starting fights around the World. Then try to imagine him with his finger on the red button. Pretty scary.

The other thing that scares me about Mitt; he doubles down even in instances when it is crystal clear that he is in error. He seems to be unable to accept being wrong. That's not good in a leader. I can easily see him hitting the big red button without thinking; and then hitting it a second time just to be sure.

  • 117 votes
#1.15 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:03 AM EDT

Sure, start another war to keep that military spending up there... Jeez.

Afganistan was justified (even if we did screw it up), Iraq was not.

  • 130 votes
#1.16 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:03 AM EDT

The USA collect 2.4 trillion a year in income taxes, then they return 1.1 trillion back for deductions and credits, leaving only 1.3 trillion dollars income in a year.( 1.1 trillion from personal taxes and 200 billion from business)

The military budget s about 750 billion a year (2.06 billion a day). it takes almost all the money that the USA collect and Romney wants to raise it by 2 trillion.

But don't hear it from me, listen from Republican Senator Alan Simpson and former Clinton;s chief of staff Erskine Bowles (The National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform (often called Bowles-Simpson/Simpson-Bowles)

video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/49037136#49035859

video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/49037136#49036397

video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/49037136#49036487

what is even worst is that we spend 750 + billions a year on military, and the rest top 15 countries in the world including Russia and China combined spend 540 billions a year.

Is that how we are going to reduce the Debt???

  • 109 votes
#1.17 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:04 AM EDT

Romney's deficit spending will make Obama look like a penny-pinching Scrooge.

  • 165 votes
#1.18 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:06 AM EDT

Blade-865322

So where is Obamas stellar army record??/ what?? You say he was NEVER in the military?? Well How come?? You'd think that the man that walks on water and cures the sick and blind with the mere touch of his hand would Volunteer to do a stint in the Armed forces to protect the country he loves so much..no, I'm not talking about Kenya..I'm talking about the good ole USA..So he wasn't in the military but he's made the decisions that got 1405 of our brave soilders KILLED in afghanistan..Yep lets vote that draft dodging son of a B I T C H back in office so he can kill another 2000 ..Baby killer!!!..Baby killer!!

You mean Bush got those men killed in Afghanistan and many 3,000 more in Iraq. Obama pulled them out of Iraq and is slowly pulling them out of Afghanistan. Since we can't pay for the wars over there he is pulling them out. Get your story straight on who got who killed. Obama's way is to send in drones, not feet on the ground. That's a Republican way. Same way Romney wants to do in Syria now. Kill more of our American Soldiers like they are so much fodder. President Obama is trying to do it without taking American Lives. He has limited the amount of soldiers that have died since he has taken office. Not like Bush who could care a less how long we stayed there or how many soldiers died.

  • 112 votes
#1.19 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:09 AM EDT
Comment author avatarFrank-739698Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

What impresses you the most about Obamas foreign policy??

Is it the apologies??

Is it the billions of dollars he sends terrorists??

Is it when he disarms embassy guards and causes our ambasadors to be killed???

Is it his rules of engagement in Afghanistan???

Afghanistan KIA
Americans killed in action under George Bush 2001 - 2008 970
Americans killed in action under Barack Obama 2009 to present 1,450

Or is it Obamas service in the military??? OH wait Obama didn't even register for the draft. Hard to do when your an Indonesian citizen.

FORWARD????

  • 36 votes
#1.20 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:10 AM EDT

P.S. How is Romney going to bring down the deficit if he is going to start another credit card war?

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#1.21 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:11 AM EDT

P.S. How is Romney going to bring down the deficit if he is going to start another credit card war?

He's not. He's going to cut taxes AND increase spending at the same time. Gee, where have we seen that before?

  • 107 votes
#1.22 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:13 AM EDT

Someone please explain how this perspective creates one new voter for former Governor Romney?

It seems that this only appeals to his base. You know the type: Illogically anti-deficit spending (aka borrowing from China) except when it comes to the military. I doubt there are any undecided voters who's tipping point is whether or not we take preemptive action against Iran.

  • 56 votes
#1.23 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:13 AM EDT
Comment author avatarSteve-614202-1507121Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

President Barack Obama as an ineffective leader on a dangerous and
constantly-evolving world stag.

The world "stag", huh? Spell check isn't a remedy for stupidity. MSNBC has it written that way 2 separate times, so it cannot be a typo.

For a liberal hack, the author seems to know all the intimate details of the speech. Probably because he is psychic, or possibly psychotic.

  • 7 votes
#1.24 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:14 AM EDT

steve, did you even read the article? the romney camp sent a copy of the speech to the news organizations on sunday evening. You should try reading before you start throwing around the usual insults and conspiracy theories the repubs are known for (and they wonder why they cant appeal to more people?).

  • 55 votes
#1.25 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:17 AM EDT

More war.

What a frickin Republican idiot.

  • 116 votes
#1.26 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:20 AM EDT

Steve-614202-1507121

In prepared remarks released Sunday to reporters, Romney laid out global issues where his campaign hopes to draw "great contrast" with Obama – notably on Libya, Syria and Egypt.....

  • 11 votes
#1.27 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:21 AM EDT

Romney has a dangerous mind-set, as was evident in the "debate" where he charged ahead with belligerent falsehoods and vague prevarications.

Here he is doing it again, and anyone with a son or daughter should be very afraid if he is elected.

He would be appointing conservative-leaning judges to the supreme court, who could be approved by the Senate unless the Democrats get a super-majority (not likely).

This could affect your daughters' reproductive rights in a horrible way.

He could be dragging us, our economy, and your sons and daughters, into pointless bloodshed for simplistic, uninformed and erroneous reasons.

The US military/boots on the ground CAN NOT fight the IDEAS of fundamentalist Islam. Check out Afghanistan and Iraq if you want to see how well our military actions have influenced minds and hearts.

After this display, I believe that the 47% who might still vote for Romney are just not paying attention, and have not been paying attention for the duration of our two current, un-funded and unproductive wars.

That's my opinion.

  • 93 votes
#1.28 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:24 AM EDT
Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

To Brenda 1964...

Get you FACTS straight before you post..Its EASY to find just do some research.

During the Bush era...550 deaths in Afghastian.....another 3000 wounded

During the obama era.... 1452 DEATHS in afghastian ...AND another 15,000 wounded

So even though Obama is LIMITING the deaths by sending in drones INSTEAD of boots on the ground as you say..The FACT remains that he's gotten THREE TIMES as many deaths under HIS watch as Bush had...And FIVE TIMES as many wounded....I know you'll say its Bushes mess and Obama was just cleaning it up so thats why he has so many deaths under HIS watch, but theFACT remains that he's got more killed and more wounded uner his administration that BUSH did....Just wanted you to get the facts ..something that seem to be in short supply on here anymore..

  • 25 votes
#1.29 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:26 AM EDT

Someone need to remind Romney about the 240 Marines who died as a result of a terrorist attack on an American base, under Reagan. A bombing of the airline over Scotland, the attack on US warship, the first attack on the World Trade Center, then 911. All of which were not under Carter or Obama.

The fact is, these Middle East Arab Muslims who call them self al-Queda or whatever are unrelenting in their strife and Obama has not been asleep on this. They got one through. Obama has had many good strikes.

al-Queda will get one in again but we will hit back. Its a bloody war!

  • 47 votes
#1.30 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:34 AM EDT

Romney Will Be Another Foreign Policy Maverick/WARMONGER!

When will American stop being the "Imperialistic Democratic Superpower" of the world, and repair its own DOMESTIC ISSUES FIRST?

We simply CAN NOT sustain this "UNILATERAL WORLD POLICE ACTIVITY"! ECONOMICALLY, and most of all, through HUMAN CASUALTIES!

Romney says he will work with partner nations to arm the Syrian Rebels to overturn the al-Assad regime.

Well, how many of those partner nations are currently arming these rebels with weapons and military troops at this moment?

There are Terrorist and Sympathizers all over the Middle East, Africa, and even here in the US, so why should we arm them even further to be used against us as before!

We CAN NOT safely work beside Afghans, Iraqis, or most other nations we liberate or think we're liberating. We just seem to destabilize these nations even more and open the doors for extremist to take over, then WE LEAVE!

This Is Not The Way! Let the "United Nations" come together to rationally solve these world problems, with financial and military support!

Have Governor Romney, Show His True and Hold-Hearted Support for these military efforts by ENLISTING HIS SONS INTO THEIR ARMED SERVICE OF CHOICE!

They are talented, educated problem solvers like him, so it should be very easy to MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE UNDER THE ROMNEY REIGN! KINGDOM! ROMNEY-WORLD!!!

  • 69 votes
#1.31 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:38 AM EDT

Blade-865322

110,600 Iraq deaths since 2003 to April 2009

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

American soldier casualties Since war began(3/19/03):

4488 total In combat 3532

since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09):

257 total In combat 128

//antiwar.com/casualties/

(here you can find the names and date of every soldier)

Total wounded 33184 (official count)

  • 44 votes
#1.32 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:43 AM EDT
Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

To Jippy...Oh wow!! there IS a big difference in burning down and killing 4 AMERICANS in a Consulate rather than an Embassy..You are totally correct and I absolutely thank you from the bottom of my heart for correcting me....I apologize..My bad..Forget about everything I said about killing those bastards for killing our Ambasador and those three other Americans..He was just in a consulate instead of the Embassy so its ok now.

  • 17 votes
#1.33 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:43 AM EDT
Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

To Cpaul... Actually YOU are the liar I said NOTHING about the war in IRAQ...I SAID AFGHANISTAN{there iS a difference, you know that right?}...Scroll up and read what I posted...{Its the button that has the arrow on it pointing up on the right side of your keyboard}..

THEN...open up another window and that little square to the left hand top of the page type in this..... WAR CASUALTIES UNDER OBAMA...It will take you to a list of pages you can actually visit...The very first one will tell you that in the Afghastian war DURING the BUSH ERA...DEATHS ----- 575 THEN UNDER OBAMA --- DEATHS ---1428...... THEN.... it goes on to point out that during the BUSH ERA.... BUSH spent $171 BILLION dollars....and under the OBAMA ERA....OBAMA spent...$385 BILLION dollars and counting...

So Obamabot...DONT call me a liar again...Do some research and get some facts first..

  • 14 votes
#1.34 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:56 AM EDT

Romney doesnt understand one simple fact, Muslim extremists cant even get along with each other. All we need to do is look at what happened in Iraq. We took down a despot who was hated by a majority of the Iraqi people, they then proceeded to kill each other when they werent too busy trying to kill our soldiers.

  • 34 votes
#1.35 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:58 AM EDT
Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

And to gridlock...

THIS is getting tiresome..ACTUALL the first TWO attacks on the World trade center happened UNDER The CLINTON administration..His intelligence network told him it was Bin laden..Our CIA found where he was and told CLINTON the EXACT location and he could have had him KILLED..HIS responce was to fire 30 million dollars worth of tomahawk missles and the result was to kill one ole mangy desert camel and blow up one pup tent from K-mart..So someone ought to tell you fellows, that if Clinton would have done HIS job, 911 and all that followed might not have happened at all..

  • 14 votes
#1.36 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:05 AM EDT

A - Romney's got a masculinity problem, so he talks manly war to compensate. B - His economic plan is that a war (or two) will save the economy. C - For ONCE let's sit back and watch to see how they settle their own affairs without us.

  • 44 votes
#1.37 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:09 AM EDT

Relax everybody. Romney will be an isolationist who believes in defense cuts by the next debate.

  • 52 votes
#1.38 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:35 AM EDT

Blade-865322

To Brenda 1964...

Get you FACTS straight before you post..Its EASY to find just do some research.

During the Bush era...550 deaths in Afghastian.....another 3000 wounded

During the obama era.... 1452 DEATHS in afghastian ...AND another 15,000 wounded

So even though Obama is LIMITING the deaths by sending in drones INSTEAD of boots on the ground as you say..The FACT remains that he's gotten THREE TIMES as many deaths under HIS watch as Bush had...And FIVE TIMES as many wounded....I know you'll say its Bushes mess and Obama was just cleaning it up so thats why he has so many deaths under HIS watch, but theFACT remains that he's got more killed and more wounded uner his administration that BUSH did....Just wanted you to get the facts ..something that seem to be in short supply on here anymore..

Actually you should get your facts straight, over 2500+ in Iraq and as you say 550 in Afghanistan. Total 3000 on Bushes head during his stay in office. Now if you take in account that Obama took over Bushes mess and had to try and clean it up, then you would account all the deaths during Obama's time in office in Afghanistan to President Bush. Sorry you see things through the foggy glasses of a Republican.

  • 54 votes
#1.39 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:48 AM EDT
Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Brenda..I'll say this S L O W so maybe you can understand this time... I was taking about CASUALTIES in AFGHANISTAN .....NOT IRAQ...Look on a world map and you will see that there IS a BIG difference..There is actually a country between the two...

ANYWAY you want to spin it the fact is that under Bush 550 casualties in AFGHANISTAN...

UNDER oBAMA the CASUALTY count is 1452...In AFGHANISTAN

What part of that dont you understand???..Please God, you CANT be that dense are you?? To use your way of thinking to blame Bush for the deaths that have occured under Obamas watch, is like blaming ALL the problems that America has right now on Washington..After all HE was the first president.{you do know that right}..I feel sorry for you..I'll bet that you think that obama should have been allowed to use a teleprompter in the debate dont you?

  • 16 votes
#1.40 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:03 AM EDT

I see Sladon got off the wagon again

he see's flying pink elephants maybe they can be used in the next war!

Blade Afganistan is were the REAL TIALBAN was at there was no terroist in Iraq just oil that why Bush started that war

Another defect saving move!

  • 26 votes
#1.41 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:04 AM EDT

Blade-865322

Ill try to speak S L O W E R for you as well so maybe you can understand. I was not "taking about" like you say, but talking about both. I know it is a hard concept to understand, but Bush started both those wars.

ANYWAY you seem to want to forget about Iraq where most American soldiers died under Bushes watch and concentrate only on Afghanistan and then say Bush is only responsible for while he was on duty, even though he started the whole thing in the first place.

What part don't YOU understand? Please God, you CANT be that dense to just focus on Afghanistan. And to be so stupid as to blame Washington for something Bush started but didn't finish and put on a credit card to boot and hand all that over to Obama, then your a lost case.

Ps. What does a teleprompter at the debate have to do with the conversation? If you want to bring up the debate, then lets talk about Romney and fact check how many times he lied during his speech. Now that is a person who can't do simple arithmetic.

  • 64 votes
#1.42 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:12 AM EDT

Tim and Jippy, why wasn't Ambassador Stevens and the others given adequate protection at the consulate knowing the Benghazi area is an Al Qaeda hot bed and training grounds. The 9/11 anniversary alone was reason enough to do so. Stevens did express extreme concern over his safety because of previous attacks.

Both the Cover-up in Chief and Hillary failed miserably in protecting Americans and yet dared to initially call the attack spontaneous blaming it all on the infamous video. There's no defending the fatal incompetence and failures of this Administration with their appeasement policies in the Middle East.

Obama is still yet to personally address the victim's families and call it a planned terrorist attack and won't as a political coward that he is. Elections you know. The families of the victims are still waiting to told what went wrong and why it happened. Looks like they'll never get one until he's booted out of the White House come Novenber.

  • 10 votes
#1.43 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:23 AM EDT
Comment author avatarUnhappy-1583758Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Actually you should get your facts straight, over 2500+ in Iraq and as you say 550 in Afghanistan. Total 3000 on Bushes head during his stay in office.

Brenda1964; Actually you should get your head together. Obama has cleared at least 592 deaths since he took office in 2009 in Afghanistan. These were not counted under Bush. Don't you remember when Obama doubled the number of troops? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/content/article/2009/10/12/AR2009101203142.html

  • 3 votes
#1.44 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:26 AM EDT

Yes, he had to double the number of troops because Bush took them all out of Afghanistan and sent them gallivanting into Iraq on a one man mission to show up is father. So Obama in shutting down Iraq and getting out, since we should never have been there in the first place, put the soldiers where they should have been to begin with. We lost control of Afghanistan because of what Bush did. Deaths are on his head not Obama's.

  • 46 votes
#1.45 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:56 AM EDT

In foreign policy speech Romney will encourage military spending, Syria intervention. ARMING TERRORISTS.

I FIXED IT for all of you fellow posters.

Two MORE reasons to write in Ron Paul or Greg Johnson.

NO MORE needs to be said.

  • 11 votes
#1.46 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 5:31 AM EDT
Comment author avatarLove2troopsExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Post # 1.34 You are dead on.....Since BO Bragged about his Deadline (for his own skinny glory)

US Troops execution type deaths have gone through the roof.

By percentage deaths & injuries to American troops have skyrocketed

Obama cared more about his own image than he cared about the lives of American soldiers.

BO never gives our troops a 2nd thought....

Everyone knows Leftest like he & the Dems despise the US Military.......they always have.

  • 7 votes
#1.47 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:02 AM EDT

Love2troops Obama cared more about his own image than he cared about the lives of American soldiers.

So your saying that Obama is worse then Bush? Bush went into Afghanistan with our blessing, but put troops in harms way when he gutted them and sent them on a one man mission to Iraq leaving a contingency group behind to try and hold things together. You say Obama is worried about his image? Wow, that's rich.

  • 51 votes
#1.48 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:10 AM EDT

Syria is a no win senario, but it may be unavoidable. This does not mean the military needs more money. There is loads of waste. The sequester cuts (agreed to by both sides), amount to the equivilent of 81 less F-35s. This would bring the total from 2443 down to 2362, a 3% cut to the program.

Why do Republicans love war so much? Their strongest supporters are heavily invested in defence industries. Wars near the middle east drive oil prices up, another big win for republican supporters. Greed drives Republican lust for war, and the sons and daughters of working families pay for it with their lives.

  • 49 votes
#1.49 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:30 AM EDT

good question- why do the Republicans like war so much? i don't know but they sure do; if it was up to McCain we would never have left Iraq. the cowboy mentality is dangerous in this world. For me Bush is the worst president because of Iraq. once he determined there were no WMD's, he should have left Iraq; but he didnt'. Be very afraid of a presidential candidate who is already talking of getting involved in another war.

  • 50 votes
#1.50 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:49 AM EDT

People do not worry we the MIddle Class are here to support another unfunded war...... Yea Right..... Anthing to keep the $$$$$ flowing to the Defense Contractors.....

  • 34 votes
#1.51 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:57 AM EDT

mike-i am undecided, and to hear what romney has to say before deciding

  • 3 votes
#1.52 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:05 AM EDT

In short, ROMNEY WOULD BE A "TOTAL" DISASTER IN FOREIGN POLICY, and would COMPLETELY destabilize the world. He would make Bush W. and Cheney look like peaceful doves, which is hard to do given their penchant for more war.

Excellent comment, Metteyya! You said it all!

  • 42 votes
#1.53 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:07 AM EDT

Of course he will.. Coward, draft dodging chicken hawks always "talk the talk",...

Gee, what branch of the military did Obama serve in?

Oh that's right, NONE! He was busy smoking pot and hanging out with radicals!

  • 13 votes
#1.54 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:14 AM EDT

I believe President Obama's right; getting involved in Syria, helping the rebel forces with money and weapons is eventually going to wind up with those weapons in the hands of terrorists. From the article:

Romney will also argue that the U.S. must support the rebels to develop influence and good relations with the Syria’s future leaders.

When Russia invaded Afghanistan years and years ago, we secretly sent weapons and money to help the rebel forces called al-Quaeda using this same justification. Twenty years or so later al-Quaeda used those same weapons on us.

The Syrian conflict is an internal affair; Syrian government against the rebels in a civil war. Practically every country in the world goes through at least one civil war sometime in it's nation's history--conflict is a basic part of a society's evolution. I don't think we should get involved.

Libya's civil war is in it's final stages, the new government and its president has been established and now they have to consider where they are going to go from there, and mobilize to drive out the last of the extremists. I was in complete support of what we did there--they Libyans asked the UN for help, the UN enforced a no-fly zone but allowed the Libyan people their Revolutionary War.

The dust is settling, the country is trying to get back on its feet, and as much as I hate to say it, the attack on the consulate and the Ambassador may have been a good thing for the country overall--according to news reports, he was well liked in Benghazi and anger over the senseless violence that caused his death caused the people to storm a compound that held the militants respoonsible and kill and drive them out.

I believe that sentiment plus the growing movement among the younger generation toward freedom and an end to war is going to result in a general settling of the Middle East regions within the next ten to twenty years or so if we continue on the course we're on and don't get involved in any other nations' internal conflicts.

War is good for business--it was a source of jobs and funding through a recession.

Peace is good for business too; after a war countries need to rebuild and once peace is firmly established there are a lot of trade opportunities that will boost our economy out of the last of our recession. Let's try this way now.

  • 28 votes
#1.55 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:14 AM EDT

Why is it that Republicans love to get us in the middle of other Countries problems? They bitch about the deficit but will start wars with China's money.

  • 44 votes
#1.56 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:43 AM EDT

Amanda - I agree with you, but with one exception. I would like to see the same no fly zone over syria as was the case in Libya.

  • 14 votes
#1.57 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:46 AM EDT

Pray to God to save us from these evil warmongering republicans and Romney!

  • 45 votes
#1.58 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:00 AM EDT

The ancient warmongers in the Middle East are salivating at the thought of Mitt Romney coming to power. They thrive on war. They are enriched by it - like the American contractors and special interests.

Will we start thanking our dead and maimed children for all the jobs they helped create and their service to our economy?

  • 27 votes
#1.59 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:02 AM EDT

fedupwiththefed,

Many of us are fed up with the call to wars that the republicans are on and their increase in military spending when the military hasn't even asked for more. Are they prepping us for another war? Oh I comment both Romney and Obama for not serving this warmongering country and its out of control military!

  • 7 votes
#1.60 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:05 AM EDT
Comment author avatarBeverly in ChicagoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Love2troops

Obama cared more about his own image than he cared about the lives of American soldiers.

BO never gives our troops a 2nd thought....

How about all those GOP/ TEA NAGGERS

Republicans Lie About "Support Our Troops"



If the Republicans truly wanted to support the troops, they would have demanded:

a) Republicans not have block the Veterans Job Corps bill in the Senate. That bill would have provided $1 billion over five years to hire 20,000 recent veterans by giving them priority in jobs as first responders.

b) would have performed better service to keep wounded from dying at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center and not given negligenence in providing health care... The Washington Post investigative series and actions by the Obama administration, not the Bush–Cheney administration, to straighten out that mess.

c) American civilians sent millions of packages of everything from soap to towels to shaving lotion for the troops because Congress didn’t provide many of the basic necessities.

c) would have provided better armament and vehicles for the troops

d) It would also have provided career advisers for the veterans. That bill would have helped not just veterans, but all Americans by strengthening fire, police, and first aid/paramedic assistance.

e) Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) led the opposition to the bill because he claimed it was reckless spending and he didn’t want to spend any more of the taxpayer money on something apparently as outrageous as helping veterans.

But, the real reason the Republicans killed the veterans job bill has nothing to do with their public claims they are trying to cut government costs or to reduce what they believe is Big Government. It has everything to do with petty politics. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Senate minority leader, had said “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term. president.”

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17536-republicans-lie-about-support-our-troops

=================================================
Know what the GOP/TEA NAGGERS have done (and still do) that includes "MYTH Romney" before you post asinine remarks.

BTW: "MYTH Romney" cared so much about his image he dyed his face brown for his Univision interview


How FAKE is that??

4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012


  • 53 votes
#1.61 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:08 AM EDT

slodon

And Bill Clinton slithered off to London to avoid the draft.

so did Bush (inlcuding possible AWOL) and Romney (4 times!). And the huge difference is that the 2 war-happy cowards (Bush & Romney) have no problem sending other people's children to kill or be killed.

  • 40 votes
#1.62 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:15 AM EDT

Beverly in Chicago

Republicans Lie About "Support Our Troops"

But the Republicans do support our troops...until they have no need for them anymore. The Republicans love young men and women who sign up for military to go fight their wars. Once they come back broken, they become part of the "47% are moochers".

  • 58 votes
#1.63 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:19 AM EDT

Sure Mitt -- let's get involved in another mid-east rat-hole.

  • 33 votes
#1.64 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:20 AM EDT
Comment author avatarJeff-1592116Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Blah, blah, blah.

Mitt is a worthless POS and anyway who'd vote for him is too.

  • 35 votes
#1.65 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:26 AM EDT

Romney understands NO FOREIGN POLICY.

..

he thinks foreign policy is just his way to screwing up foreigners with his vulturing spirit.

  • 24 votes
#1.66 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:26 AM EDT

FedupwithFed

Of course he will.. Coward, draft dodging chicken hawks always "talk the talk",...

Gee, what branch of the military did Obama serve in?

Oh that's right, NONE! He was busy smoking pot and hanging out with radicals-------------

-----------------

Except that he was 12 when the draft ended...but nice try.

  • 30 votes
#1.67 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:30 AM EDT

Translation:

I will send your kids to war every chance I get. But me personally I will dodge the war and I will not send any of my children to war. If your kids die because I commanded the war no problem neither the solider will get help if hurt no will his family get help if he dies in combat.

End of Translation:

Now go vote for this draft dodger.

  • 21 votes
#1.68 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:32 AM EDT

Jimm-3229351

FedupwithFed

Of course he will.. Coward, draft dodging chicken hawks always "talk the talk",...

Gee, what branch of the military did Obama serve in?

I will tell you what branch, the Executive Branch. So STFU!

  • 23 votes
#1.69 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:35 AM EDT

Pay attention people. Romney will tell us more reasons why he is not the best man for the job. There is no correct party to support in the Syrian conflict. Assad is an absolute ruler with no conscience. Who murders and tortures his own people. The rebels are terrorist supported Islamists aiming to replace Assad with an Islamic Republic.

It may not be the intention of all rebels, but the political atmosphere that will prevail in post-revolution Syria might resemble Iran more than Iraq. That what I can envision, anyway. It may not seem politically correct, but there is a reason why dictatorships were and are tolerated by the west in the mid east- they helped keep radical Islamism at bay. I don't like the idea of either myself. I think we need to keep out of it as much as possible.

If we fight for the Syrian rebels, it will accomplish nothing for the US. The government that emerges will not be our ally in the end.

  • 22 votes
#1.70 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:41 AM EDT

More war, no new taxes, and Mitt will wave his majic wand to get rid of the deficit in 8 years.

I am all for aiding Syrian rebels, but we can't borrow our way through it.

  • 15 votes
#1.71 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:42 AM EDT

@Jimm-3229351

Do you even know how old mittwitt is? Answer 65

The Vietnam War ended in 1975. Can you tell me how old would you have to be in order to be drafted?

Answer 18

So in 1965 mittwitt was 18 his parents and church sent him to France before is 18 birthday.

Do you not look like a fool @Jimm-3229351? The first thing you should do is go back to school, the second thing school would teach you how to do research. Because if your knowledge is any indication of how you are going to vote. That would tell someone who went to school you are stupid.

  • 22 votes
#1.72 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:44 AM EDT

I could go on all night about your buffoon of a candidate but I think you get the point.

You made some excellent points, G-9!

Romney is clearly an unfit candidate for the highest office in the land. You have to wonder how some of his supporters here have missed all the things he has said and done in this election and all the way back, throughout his entire life: bullying, lying, destroying companies and communities, lusting for riches and power, flip-flopping so much you have to wonder if even he knows what he really thinks.

We DO know what Romney really thinks. He covered a lot of ground in his '47%' speech.

But try convincing the deaf and the blind romneybots who still support a pandering fool who wants to exploit them along with all the rest of us.

Might their issue be one of pigmentation?

RE-ELECT OBAMA/ BIDEN

  • 35 votes
#1.73 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:44 AM EDT

Mitt Romney will try to spend more money in the military. WHAT A SURPRISE!!!!

The bastard would rather spend the money KILLING PEOPLE, but he won't send his own children to war!!!

I can't stand the face of a HYPOCRITICAL, WAR LOVING BULLY.

Don't let this bully kill programs for children, so he and his millionaires friends can enjoy sending more money to the Cayman Islands and TO WAR.

THE MONEY NEVER GOES TO THE VETS. IT IS ONLY FOR WEAPONS. SEE HOW MANY VETS ARE IN POVERTY AND MESSED UP IN THE HEAD!!!!

Obama 2012

  • 42 votes
#1.74 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:45 AM EDT

Does America need to be in more wars?

Yes if you are Halliburton and connected to cheney-republicans

  • 35 votes
#1.75 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:45 AM EDT

"Blade-865322

So Jeff...what do you think we should do about the Embassy getting blown up and the ambassador being killed along with three more Americans..Do you EVEN realize that the Embassy there is the same as United States soil?? Do you know that?..There would be no difference if those towel headed bastards rented a ship and came ashore in Virginia and killed 4 Americans there before taking off again...So what would yOU do for an Attack on American soil?? Do like the president and bend over backwards to apologize and kiss their asses?..So tell me, what would you do??. You're bitching out romney for wanting to retaliate against them..so tell us ole smart one with all the answers..What would YOU do?"

Here what I wouldn't do old stupid one. I wouldn't send more men and women to die. Do you not understand that that is just what they want? And really its not the same as them coming here and killing 4 people and leaving. You can claim it is all you want but history as proven otherwise.

If you're so hot to fight I'm sure you and your kids will be first in line to sign up right?

You numskulls complain about money being spent but seem to have no problem spending billions a month for wars. (gasp! That's right Wars cost LOTS of money)

I'm sure Obama will handle it like he has been doing since he took office. He will capture or kill those responsible and do it without starting a war or endangering thousands of our children.

  • 27 votes
#1.76 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:47 AM EDT

Republicans voted down a bill to help Vets to get jobs after serving in the wars. This guy is a danger to himself and to this Nation.

President Obama 2012

  • 35 votes
#1.77 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:48 AM EDT

Jimm-3229351

Oh that's right, NONE! He was busy smoking pot and hanging out with radicals

And Bush snorted cocaine, had a DUI, and was allegedly arrested for cocaine posession charge for what was later called "unlawful practice of medicine." Of course that was expunged - SHOKER.

Bush was also arrested for disorderly conduct after he and some friends had "a few beers" and stole a Xmas wreath from a hotel. The charges were later dropped - SHOCKER.

  • 26 votes
#1.78 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:50 AM EDT

peace-through-strength

Of course being cordial Virginia Military Institute, they'll sit through his ignorance, and endure it. I guess Mitt is crying about pulling the troops out of Afghanistan, so he'd have more to send to other places the republicans deem necessary to keep their companies that produce Military products swimming in billions.

slodon

And Bill Clinton slithered off to London to avoid the draft.

BTW. Did you know that Romney was classified 1A from 1970 to the end of the draft?? How about your boy Clinton??

I love when people like you miss the whole message than go off on a stupid agenda of your own. OK, here are the facts.

Romney's 1A classification, you do understand that means eligible for military service, correct? He didn't serve one day in the service neither did any of his 5 sons, what's up with those lucky, rich boys?

OK, on Clinton, him too, didn't serve one day in the Military, has one daughter, I usually give girls a pass on Military service unless they really want to go.

OK, I know you'll jump on Obama next, yep, no Service record either, with two adolescent daughters, same pass as above, now, back to you buddy Romney the "War Hawk," did you explain to me why NOT ONE of his SONS thought of serving their country in our Military?

I really wish at one of these places soeone would have the balls to ask him about his, and his 5 sons NON-Military service.

OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!

  • 31 votes
#1.79 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:51 AM EDT

More neo-con thinking will only imperil progress made towards democracy and peace in the Middle East.

Getting tough on fledgling democracy in Egypt is a mistake that Romney seems committed to. Pressuring new government there will only tend to radicalize it, since the new President there faces the opposition of a more radical minority party and must insist that he is not a puppet of US to maintain his perceived independence and overall political support.

Remember, there is a deep seated resentment towards the West in the Middle East that results from their earlier experience as colonies of Europe. Imagine how our Founding Father would have felt after gaining their independence from England, if a European power had tried to tell them what to do.

Romney really needs to learn the lessons of history here.

  • 26 votes
#1.80 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:52 AM EDT

Brenda - A no fly zone over Syria would require military intervention by the United States. You think the Syrian government will just allow US fighters over their airspace??? If the USA doesn't take the necessary steps with ground targets, some nation will have to...

We would have to take out their air defenses, and at least SOME of their fighter aircraft to break their back... Very different than was the case in Libya.

  • 10 votes
#1.81 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:54 AM EDT

slodon.........

Bill Clinton isn't running for POTUS.......Romney is. Furthermore, Bill Clinton isn't promoting yet another war.......Romney is.

  • 31 votes
#1.82 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:54 AM EDT

It appears that Obama is turning out to be the "smaller government" candidate in this race. Romneys budget is looking like it's going to go through the roof even with killing some middle class tax deductions, oh, and big bird. Idiot.

  • 25 votes
#1.83 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:55 AM EDT

Whether Obama wins or Romney wins, you mark my words... The United States WILL be at war in the middle east in the next presidential term...

Interesting how our pupetmasters spin it though... If Obama is our commander in chief, it will be call a war of necessity. If Romney leads the nation, it will be more Republican war-mongering.

Either way we will have boots on the ground. Americans will die. And the sitting president will only be justified in the United States by his partisan political party.

This will become a matter of protecting Israel, as well as the Egyptian Christians. Things will blow up from there. I read a good book on Sunday that refers to such matters with alarming details...!

  • 7 votes
#1.84 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:00 AM EDT

What is interesting to me is that while he is talking about building a larger stronger military he is also cutting taxes for his wealthy friends and himself. Just how is all of this to be paid for ? Bush..in his own stupid wisdom stared two wars and paid for nothing..he too cut the taxes of the wealthy...and we inturn lost thousands of jobs from his so called trickle down economics..Personally..for any politican to say " trust me" that is a huge threat that he has no idea of what he is doing and does not care as long as he benefits from it.

This nation has suffered enough from the republicans stand on making sure Obama failed in his first term..none of these politicans were elected to work for their individual party..I was under the impression they were elected to work for ALL citizens...not their party..whihc is just what they have done to the person for the past 4 years.

  • 18 votes
#1.85 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:03 AM EDT

I agree that we're probably going to be at war Concerned. The only difference is, do we raise taxes to pay for it and support our troops, or do we try to do it on the cheap like Bush/Cheney did, resulting in lost American lives. Romney will either borrow it all or try to do it on the cheap, and a Republican Congress will block support for soldiers.

Our recent economic near-collapse had just as much to do with homeowners competing for credit with an ever increasing deficit as anything else. Republican power means an end to the American dream for most of us.

  • 13 votes
#1.86 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:08 AM EDT

ivan, NC

What is interesting to me is that while he is talking about building a larger stronger military he is also cutting taxes for his wealthy friends and himself. Just how is all of this to be paid for ?

Bush was the first president in American history who took us into a war and cut taxes . Cutting taxes in the time of war is not just irresponsible; it's stupid. Now, Romney wants to do the same. IDIOT.

  • 32 votes
#1.87 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:10 AM EDT

I wonder if Romney realizes how sick of wars the American voter is? I hope he will find out after his call to get involved in Syria!

  • 24 votes
#1.88 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:13 AM EDT

Bush was the first president in American history who took us into a war and cut taxes . Cutting taxes in the time of war is not just irresponsible; it's stupid. Now, Romney wants to do the same. IDIOT.

But you see the Republican trick is not to pay for the war currently. It's to defer the costs on to the next president so he can be blamed for the 2 trillion dollars added to the debt. Republicans are masters of the shell game.

  • 33 votes
#1.89 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:13 AM EDT
Red_CloudDeleted

Rommey could supply them with biological or chemical weapons. They are much more cost effective and Rommey is all for being cost efficient. Don't most people realize the terrorist organizations, backed by powerful allies are behind the coup's? Syria would not attack or support their Muslim brothers. Now they are paying the price. There was a call for Jihad and these recent countries did not answer.

  • 4 votes
#1.91 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

Jeff-1592116

But you see the Republican trick is not to pay for the war currently. It's to defer the costs on to the next president so he can be blamed for the 2 trillion dollars added to the debt.

after which they will tell you to stop blaming the past because the bills left after previous administration don't exist in heir parallel universe.

2 trillion dollars added to the debt

what the Republicans fail to acknowledge is the billions of $ spent each year on the Vets. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs expects to spend $57 billion on disability benefits next year. That's up 25% from $46 billion this year. These bills will grow as more vets come back. We are responsible for taking care of them. PERIOD. So people like Romney should be greatful that all they have to do is pay their fair share in taxes SINCE ROMNEY AND HIS 5 COWARD SONS WILL NEVER SERVE. This is a small price to pay for Romney in comparison to those who lost their lives, their families, their homes, and their mental and physical well-being.

  • 21 votes
#1.92 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:22 AM EDT

this is why i will vote ron paul and not romney; willard's foreign policy is as unamerican as it gets. our involvment in the region has been nothing but a disaster and it costs us hundreds of billions per year, and thats just the up front cost. who is really so dumb to not know one of the chief reasons for our deficits is our military spending!?

  • 7 votes
#1.93 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:23 AM EDT

Great, now Romney wants to "heavily arm" rebels in Syria. How is he going to keep those weapons out of the hands of Al Qaeda or the Taliban?

So that later, they can shoot down our airplanes. (rolls eyes)

  • 22 votes
#1.94 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:24 AM EDT

Three words:

Mormon Defense Contractors.

I'd put money on it.

Guess where the 'church' will be investing its sweet, sweet tax free 'tithings'?

  • 22 votes
#1.95 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:27 AM EDT

blade and all the other warmongers , we can no longer afford boots on the ground or large bombing campaign war involvement. the US is at 16 trillion dollars in debt, any more wars and we will end up like greece. its just that simple we can afford no more war, so wake up.

the united states needs to raise taxes, and cut its total budget by at least half, this includes defense and start paying our debt off. the reason this economic crisis is taking so long to recover, the reason prices such as gas and food are rising so fast and so high, is because our dollars value keeps dropping due to our debt. we get rid of our debt you will see the value of our dollar rise, and our economy get better.

  • 13 votes
#1.96 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:31 AM EDT

Liberals are desperate, coming with bias reports. The fact is Romney rebound and Obama is losing ground. After Obama show himself in the first presidential debate , Romney is even with Obama 47% Gallup , however Romney have the momentum , the job report with cooked numbers hard to sell for Obama did not made any effect. Good luck. Happy Columbus Day.

  • 6 votes
#1.97 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

If Romney wins we will start a war with Iran and Syria. Be very afraid of a war monger because we can not afford another war in the Middle East; and if you think a war with Iran will be a slam dunk, you are wrong. This would bring an attack to American soil. Is this really what you want?

Obama Biden 2012

  • 23 votes
#1.98 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

Eric-913730

Great, now Romney wants to "heavily arm" rebels in Syria.

didn't the Reagan Administration send billions of dollars of military aid to Afghanistan back in the 80s? Without that support, would the Taliban and Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda be what it is?

  • 24 votes
#1.99 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:36 AM EDT

Great, let's load the rebels in Syria up with arms. After all, it worked out well for us when we did it in Afghanistan right?

  • 16 votes
#1.100 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:46 AM EDT

For all of you blithering idiot liberals; please refresh my memory as to which branch of the military Obama volunteered for. He loves our country so much I'm sure he must have volunteered.

  • 2 votes
#1.101 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

If Romney wins we will start a war with Iran and Syria.

Liberals forgot Obama's involvement in the Arab Spring, hypocrites.

  • 6 votes
#1.103 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

“who share our values”?, I don't think any of those Muslims share our values, and specially those in Syria are more aligned with the radical, fundamentalist way of thinking, closer to Al Qaeda.

Mitt Romney is another idiot, very ignorant in foreign policy.

  • 17 votes
#1.104 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:02 AM EDT

@Blade: You need to reel in the insane comments you are making. I was born the same year as President Obama and there have been NO drafts in our lifetime to dodge. Your hatred for this President has caused you to say some really stupid things. You might want to stop and think before typing a bunch of BS.

  • 20 votes
#1.105 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:03 AM EDT

I believe President Obama's right; getting involved in Syria, helping the rebel forces with money and weapons is eventually going to wind up with those weapons in the hands of terrorists.

Just like Libya right?....and those weapons got our Ambassador and other Americans killed! Then the white house LIED about it!

  • 5 votes
#1.106 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:03 AM EDT

oskar-1391552.....

There is a BIG difference between our "involvement" in the Arab Spring (which caused no U.S. casualties) and the ----WAR--- Romney is promoting.

Don't you understand that difference?

Romney is an anachronism. His policies reflect that.

  • 17 votes
#1.107 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:04 AM EDT

I don't think we should get involved in any of these ridiculous coups that Obama likes to dive in to to remove dictators. Those countries have been doing this for centuries and will continue to do so. The only big issue we will, or should concern ourselves with is Iran. They will be the next major problem. Israel is going to drag us into this issue regardless of who is President.

    #1.108 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:05 AM EDT

    K1200RS post 1.3

    This isn't about Clinton sally bob,.. This is about willard... dodging the draft for a war he supported...

    Yes it is dude, you are displaying an outrightly outrageous DOUBLE STANDARD!

    That is unexceptable - if you want to be FAIR, like liberals say they are! You do great harm to you opinions when people look up the facts.

    Romney applied for and received a legitimate deferral. When the deferral was up, Romney registered for the Draft, his draft number was 300.

    • 1 vote
    #1.109 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:11 AM EDT

    Liberal-Truth.......you said:

    Quote......They should respond with their own ideas but, just as with domestic policy, they have none......EndQuote

    Our "ideas" rescued this country from YOUR economic folly which nearly sent this nation into a new great depression. Our "ideas" have now lowered the unemployment rate to the same level as it was during the final days of the first Reagan administration. This was done all while YOU folks have (treasonously) done all everything possible to scuttle our economic recovery.

    You also said:

    Quote......He served as much time as Obama......EndQuote

    Barack Obama was born in 1960. He was too young to serve in Vietnam. Romney was age eligible to serve. President Obama did not cheer-lead the Vietnam war. Romney did. Thus, Romney is a CHICKEN HAWK.

    • 16 votes
    #1.110 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:11 AM EDT

    WAR--- Romney is promoting.

    In what point Romney is promoting war, do you have any facts. Obama is involve in the meddle east for 4 years and now is more dangerous and we have more enemies than before, that is a failure from Obama leading from behind. You can say whatever you want, he will speak this morning listen to him before comment, this report is bias do not hold any water. You got to be kidding if NBC is your trusted source of information.

    • 3 votes
    #1.111 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:12 AM EDT

    This Romney is one helluva mental mess. Lookout everyone! Romney is about to give a foreign policy speech! Romney not only has a lot of money. He has several warehouses filled to the brim with very large and outrageous lies. Apparently picks those He likes, and carries a truckload with him to all His campaign events. Up to now I thought "Karl Rove" was the gwaddamn biggest liar I ever heard talk, with "Dick Cheney" and "GW Bush" running a close second. Their lies though, were somewhat more subtle. Romney, and Ryan too, are both so outrageous with their lying, they are destroying the whole art of prevarication. I'll venture, "Milt Friedman", a very accomplished Liar, and a republican, is spinning in His grave in shame at the looseness of Romneys lies. Fact, Romney and Ryan have lowered that political specialty, to the extent, future political candidates may all have to suffer a tongue limp for many years to come, before the art can be reinstated to any effective degree. Damn shame too. A well constructed political lie is often a thing of wicked beauty. This country has produced many great liars, but Romney is not in their esteemed company.

    • 13 votes
    #1.112 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:13 AM EDT

    Republicans seem to forget that President Obama's policies successfully eliminated both Bin Laden and Khaddafi without great loss of American lives. Limited, strategic and well planned to get the job done; not fund another trillion dollar war which seems to be the GOP's primary goal.

    • 21 votes
    #1.113 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:14 AM EDT

    DB Akron......you said:

    Quote.....Romney applied for and received a legitimate deferral. When the deferral was up, Romney registered for the Draft, his draft number was 300......EndQuote

    Romney could have VOLUNTARILY ENLISTED just like many of us did. He did not. He's a Chicken Hawk and you know it.

    BTW----How many of his sons served in Iraq, Afghanistan.....or in the military AT ALL?

    • 18 votes
    #1.114 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:15 AM EDT

    Blade has a legitimate question. Where is the record that Obama registered for the selective service. I go through a number of sites and have never seen that he registered? Does anyone know? I was born in 1962, and had to register, Obama should have also registered, did he?

    • 2 votes
    #1.115 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:16 AM EDT

    The riots in Benghazi started out with about 100 protesters at the embassy. There was little sense of danger to the point that even the ambassador's body guards were absent from his prescense at the time the militants used the rioters as a distraction and iniated their attack. So for the first reports to come out being that the attacks were related to the video was not ill conceived but rather, they were facts at the time of the first reportings. Those facts were updated with each piece of new information reported to the government by it's intelligance team. The President never misled at any point but rather shared the intelligence reported to him from his team as he received them.

    That the Romney administration would arm the Syrian rebels goes without saying. They would have armed the Libyan rebels as well but because it was the Obama administration, they instead challenge his decision to give the Libyan rebels aid as an act of treason. Obama must have bigger feet than the republicans as they like to pretend the shoe doesn't fit.

    1.6 of the 6 trillion dollar deficit under the Obama administrations term is a direct link to the 400 billion dollar raise the Bush administration gave to the department of defense budget. That is just one bit of the militant raises the Bush administration gave to the military and does not include the expenses included in their private contracts given to the Halliburton and Blackwater corporations. Add up the total expenses of the military and corporate contracts awarded under the Bush administrations terms that have not expired and there you go with what caused the biggest part of the deficit gained during the past 12 years.

    Now the Romney administration say we need to invest more into our Department of Defense budget and start the aggression on the rest of the world all over again. What I'm waiting to hear from The Romney admistration is their position on Iran and their intentions on handling the Iranians if given the power and the cost of that war on the american tax payers.

    • 7 votes
    #1.116 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:17 AM EDT

    Liberal-Truth

    We know all that crap coming from Romney is believed by some. You are in that group.

    What is said about waring nations does not compare with what Romney has said many times what he wants to do to this country. Stuff he said until just the other day. All of a sudden he's passing himself off as a Moderate Liberal. He wants to do all the same stuff Obama has been doing except maybe in the states.

    Did you know the economy will grow 12 million jobs regardless of who is president? Check it out.

    If Romney thinks 50 different versions of health care is better than it being uniform for the country, he is kidding himself, not us. He was part of those that invented Obama care and lately he's switched from knocking it over to bragging about it.

    He claims he can't tell us what he will cut because he has to work with congress on it. Have you any idea what will happen to the Real Estate Market if he removes the home loan exemption so the rich can keep their extra trillion dollars over the next decade? There is no way they will do a 5 trillion dollar tax cut that will be paid for unless he makes those kind of cuts. He is blowing faulty math up your ass.

    Are you paying attention to what he will do to Medicare and all that BS about the 740 billion Obama took from the providers, not from those that are patients? He used it to privide more service with Obama care. Most of us know that and yet that creep keeps twisting the truth about it.

    Beware the ropadope! Obama very patiently let Romney spew all that BS and let's see how he explains it all when pressed. Let's watch him twist and turn when a real moderator is on the job and Obama gets in his face. Everything Romney or the President have ever said is on video.

    • 16 votes
    #1.117 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:18 AM EDT

    oskar-1391552 you said:

    Quote......In what point Romney is promoting war, do you have any facts.....EndQuote

    Why would any sensible candidate for POTUS argue that our defense budget should remain at WAR-TIME levels unless he was contemplating involving us in yet another war?

    Open your eyes. Romney is a puppet for defense contractors who profit from continual war.

    Romney will say WHATEVER he thinks is most likely to get him elected. He has no integrity. Anyone, after so many flip-flops and outright lies, who believes him is foolish.

    • 16 votes
    #1.118 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:23 AM EDT

    The only big issue we will, or should concern ourselves with is Iran. They will be the next major problem. Israel is going to drag us into this issue regardless of who is President.

    Israel already tried. The reason why the so-called Israeli supporters are so upset with Obama is that he doesn't see a need yet for a war with Iran, and isn't going to see one until there is some credible evidence of them trying to get nuclear weapons. Hating Iran, in of itself, isn't a good enough reason to start a war and get Americans kill.

    By itself, that is sufficient reason to vote for Obama. You can see all these people who say that Obama spends every day apologizing to the Muslim world; to these people anything short of a bomb is an apology. Mr Romney will be satisfying these people. The problem with this idea is that the world is a lot more complicated than that. Dropping bombs over and over doesn't work, we already tried it in Iraq.

    • 17 votes
    #1.119 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:27 AM EDT
    Comment author avatarallenjamesExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Obama is not diving into any thing as a Muslim himself he will not get involved he sat on his hands when Iran tried to over throw, he help Egypt and Libya so his Muslim brotherhood pals can take over watch Libya it's headed that way. Iran Obama will not deal with them as long as he is in office if his plan was to be concern he would have help the up rising two years ago. He wants Iran to have a nuke and as he has done so far will not lift a finger to protect Israel as a Muslim Obama can't bring himself to help Israel. So all of you who want to vote for Obama your voting for the destruction of this country and Israel.

    • 1 vote
    #1.120 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:28 AM EDT

    no group is fighting harder to remove bashar assad than al-qaida. so willard will help do al-qaida's work for them? sounds like a winner!!!

    • 11 votes
    #1.121 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:32 AM EDT

    Why would any sensible candidate for POTUS argue that our defense budget should remain at WAR-TIME levels unless he was contemplating involving us in yet another war?

    He never say that , show me the link. again you never speak with facts , you are all about lies, this is why Obama did so poor. Romney want an strong military because he believe in peace with strength, Obama believe in too much diplomacy and it doesn't work, our foreign policy fail, we have less allies and more enemies, got it. Remember Reagan , turn down the wall with not war, defeat the Soviet Union with not war. Peace with strength or weakens and defeat, two different choices , I choose the first.

    • 3 votes
    #1.122 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:33 AM EDT

    Feeding hungry kids... Too expensive.

    Providing healthcare for sick kids... Too expensive.

    Bringing Big Bird too our children... Too expensive.

    Sending kids to war... Just right.

    • 27 votes
    #1.123 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

    oskar-1391552

    i'm no obama fan, im a ron paul supporter. you neo-cons always bring up reagan. why don't you and those like you ever invoke the constitution or founders in your inane arguments about foreign policy? maybe it's because what our founders stated and what you and reagan believe are two different things. what washington said in his farewell address, most notably about permanent foreign alliances (he was completely against them), and what you and willard want are two different policies. our founders unambiguously would be against what you want in the middle east etc. your a clown ...

    • 9 votes
    #1.124 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:44 AM EDT

    Reagan armed the "rebels" so they could fend off the Russians in Afghanistan. That worked well for us, wouldn't you say? Bush took us to war in the mid-east, fighting those that Reagan had armed. Obama was left to clean up the mess - and he has been.

    Romney wants to renew fighting there. Arming the rebels PLUS he has promised Israel that we would get in bed with them, defending them against Iran. Romney wants to spend trillions of dollars in order to fill the pockets of the mega-rich defense contractors while getting rid of some of us pesky, bottom-feeding 47%ers who don't like him (send them off to die, he no longer has to work to get their vote.)

    He is a self-aggrandizing, arrogant, entitled frat boy who will take America down just like he took companies into the dumpster when he owned Bain Capital.

    If you want references go to my web site: donnaappel dot org - I won't fill this page with words so that others have their turn.

    Obama/Biden - 4 more years!

    • 18 votes
    #1.125 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

    One thing is certain, if we do aid the rebels, we can't just abandon them at the end of the war the way Reagan did with the Afghans, leaving a vacuum for Jihadiis to take over. My bet is that Republicans won't want 1) to pay adequately to support any troops of ours, and 2) pay for aid to Syria post-hostilities. I'd bet Mitt's plan to pay for this is to raid working class benefits, do it half-priced and half-assed, or he has no real plan at all.

    Veterans for Obama 2012!

    • 14 votes
    #1.126 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:48 AM EDT

    Romney supported the war from a distance with his mouth, like a typical wealthy republican. I served my time by actually putting on the uniform and deploying, and not hiding behind religion like a coward!

    • 17 votes
    #1.127 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:50 AM EDT

    Ron Paul supporter

    Even I do support some of the Ron Paul finance policies, precisely where Ron Paul is weak is in foreign policy view, open border, not military intervention , not even for humanity purpose, by the way we are the champion responding calamities around the world thanks our military, Ron Paul has no credibility. Like you that rely in name calling to support your statement.

    • 4 votes
    #1.128 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:51 AM EDT

    If this is true, Romney just stole defeat from the jaws of victory with regard to the election next month. There is NO ONE on the right clamoring for intervention in any of those hot spots. This would be a stupid position to take and a major blunder by the campaign. The bottom line is, we do not know enough about any of these groups in any of these events to commit to supporting their efforts. All I see is Iran, over and over, and over again. All we can do is commit to supporting Israel in protecting our interests in the region.

    If this is false and I were Romney, I would sue MSNBC/NBC and force them to print and broadcaster apologies and retractions from now till dooms day.

    • 4 votes
    #1.129 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:56 AM EDT

    I haven't read all the posts yet, but let me guess, not one single Republican complaining about us being bankrupt, none complaining that we don't have the money, and all calling to repeal Obamacare because we're bankrupt and we don't have the money.

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • 23 votes
    #1.130 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:57 AM EDT

    And where is the money for these weapons going to come from? It certainly won't come out of Romney's pockets.

    • 15 votes
    #1.131 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:58 AM EDT

    Brenda said;

    Amanda - I agree with you, but with one exception. I would like to see the same no fly zone over syria as was the case in Libya.

    But just as in Libya, the Syrian people will have to ask the UN for it, and the UN will have to vote on whether to emplace and enforce a no-fly zone. It will not, and must not, be the Us's sole responsibility.

    Fed up with Fed said:

    Gee, what branch of the military did Obama serve in?

    One of the titles that a US president holds is Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces. As no one today is forced to become president over their objections (like George Washington was) one can say that President Obama volunteered to serve as CIC for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

    But then, by that same reasoning, Mitt Romney is also now 'volunteering' for military service as the CIC and as president of the US. How about we stop picking on candidates based on what we thought they did or didn't do? Let's focus on the issues and what they say they will do for us, the people who pay their salaries and who they are supposed to serve, rather than the candidates personal lives and personal choices.

    You all ever thought there could be something in the old saying, 'The one most suited to hold power is the one who least wants it...'? George Washington didn't want it...and look at what he did.

    • 8 votes
    #1.132 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:58 AM EDT

    I think that mittens can start any war that he and all members of the house and senate that vote for as long as they send all their chidren over first to be on the front line to prove how committed they are to these causes! If not, worry about what's within our borders first, because we know how much you care about us all!

    • 10 votes
    #1.133 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:10 AM EDT

    I can't wait till Mitt opens his mouth on this one! This should lose him from 5 -10% of the votes as Americans have indicated they are war weary! Republicans and Mitt want to continue the republican war and military agenda that they have been pushing for over 11 years now! Why else would Mitt indicate he wants to increase the military budget by $2,000,000,000,000 even when they haven't asked for it? God save us from Mitt and the republicans!

    • 11 votes
    #1.134 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:11 AM EDT

    So borrowing from China to fund Syrian Rebels that are already getting weapons from Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations is good?

    Screw that draft dodger.

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • 14 votes
    #1.135 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:12 AM EDT

    Romney's foreign policy advisers are for the most part just Bush's crew that brought us Iraq. They are the same neocons that were involved in the disaster that was the Project For a New American Century.

    Mitt Romney's Advisers Are George Bush Neocons Calling for War With Iran

    In 1998, a group of foreign policy gurus signed a letter to then-President Bill Clinton requesting that he launch a war against Iraq without regard for the United Nations Security Council, or any type of due process, to quell what they believed to be a clear and present danger to Israel, the United States, and its Middle Eastern allies. Clinton ignored this letter. Then in 2001, nine days after September 11th, this same group, now under the name "Project for a New American Century (PNAC)," signed a similar letter to a much more compliant president, George W. Bush.

    In 2003, as the neoconservative war drums beat to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Israel found itself in the middle of a war that it knew was illegitimate. Israel supported the U.S. in its volition for war because the Bush administration promised that Iran — Israel's perceived real threat — was on the chopping block in the future. Once the assurances went around, Israel became more than happy to find "evidence" that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and support the U.S. campaign.

    Today, Israel is ready to collect the debt owed to it by the neocons, but where have they gone? And are they the same group that sunk the U.S. into debilitating war resulting in the deaths and injuries of countless American and Iraqi lives for the last nine years?

    Although the now defunct PNAC and other sympathizers no longer have one roof over their heads, they have found other institutions to hang their hats.

    Start with Mitt Romney's foreign policy team. Fifteen of the 22 members were policy advisers under the George W. Bush administration, and six of them are former members of PNAC.

    Romney's foreign policy white paper, ironically (or purposefully) titled "An American Century," uses the same rhetoric used by PNAC and Bush-era ground pounders: It promotes American exceptionalism, force projection, and retaking control of the global landscape with seemingly little zest for earnest diplomacy. This makes sense since the report is authored by Romney's foreign policy team, complete with a foreword by Eliot Cohen himself. It is no wonder that Romney is overly hawkish on the Iranian "threat," since the neocons owe Israel — big time.

    • 8 votes
    #1.136 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:14 AM EDT

    Arab spring is working out so well, At least Mitt knows who he is supporting !

    Obama 2012 Cradle to the Grave ! Give me your money Give me your Freedoms !

      #1.137 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

      Erich John,

      God you have a problem don't you! You support Ron Paul's call to make all illegal drugs legal? So I could have a crack house open across the street from where my children in the neighborhood play and it would be legal? You've got to be sick or mentally short!

      • 3 votes
      #1.138 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:16 AM EDT

      Didn't Romney's only over seas trip as a presidential candidate lead to insulting our closest ally and lead to headlines of, "Mitt the Twit"? When Obama made his campaign sweep through Europe he was praised by our allies. Mitt's identified as a twit on his first stop.

      • 12 votes
      #1.139 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

      lynseypug

      So borrowing from China to fund Syrian Rebels that are already getting weapons from Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations is good?

      Screw that draft dodger.

      Is this not what Obama is doing with the Arab Spring. Look at Obama before open your mouth.

      • 2 votes
      #1.140 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

      So, now Romney SUPPORTS Al Qeada? ~sigh~ Not surprised.... what time is it? Get with me in an hour, he'll be back to "bomb them"!

      • 11 votes
      #1.141 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:25 AM EDT

      I doubt ANYONE in the Middle East have the same "values" as we do. And sooner or later, if we arm them, they'll use the weapons to kill Americans.

      • 7 votes
      #1.142 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

      brewzky23

      For all of you blithering idiot liberals; please refresh my memory as to which branch of the military Obama volunteered for. He loves our country so much I'm sure he must have volunteered.

      #1.101 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:52 AM CDT

      ==For all you blithering idiots; please refresh my memory as to which branch of the military Romney volunterred for. He loves our country so much I'm sure he must have volunteered, along with his 5 sons.==

      THERE, I FIXED THAT FOR YOU!!!!

      LOL!!!!!

      Maybe you should read my post at #1.79, it explains your very reasoning of why Romney nor ANY of his 5 sons served one day in our Military.

      OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!

      • 14 votes
      #1.143 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

      TO: oskar-1391552 who wrote:

      [lynseypug: So borrowing from China to fund Syrian Rebels that are already getting weapons from Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations is good? Screw that draft dodger.]

      Is this not what Obama is doing with the Arab Spring. Look at Obama before open your mouth.

      Nope, President Obama hasn't supplied anybody with any weapons, and we all know that Republicans, especially Arizona Republican Senator John McCain has been crying out to go to war with Iran, and to arm "Rebels" with American weapons, all while Republicans say that we don't know who's who since dictatorships fell.

      Republicans are a real mixed bag of nuts.

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 14 votes
      #1.144 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

      B rewky

      Obama served in ALL Branches of the Military. COMMANDER AND CHIEF OF ALL MILITARY BRANCHES

      • 8 votes
      #1.145 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

      TO: Lunkystraydog who wrote:

      "Arab spring is working out so well, At least Mitt knows who he is supporting !"

      How could Romney know who's who overseas, when he's not privy to classified information?

      Republicans just make up any old thing.

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 11 votes
      #1.146 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:33 AM EDT

      RIposter:

      It's not necessary for anybody to send their children anywhere against their will. You see, we have the finest military force in history, made up 100% of volunteers who are in the military because they want to be....and fortuneately very, very few of them are liberal sissies.

        #1.147 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:36 AM EDT

        American girl

        Nope, President Obama hasn't supplied anybody with any weapons

        Just because you say so, it does't mean is true. So all the drones Obama use to help the Arabs has no cost? Only in your head.

        • 1 vote
        #1.148 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:39 AM EDT

        Blade-865322 says obama was a draft dodger. man, you are stupid. no wonder you have so much to say (the draft ended when obama was 12.)

        what a maroon.

        • 9 votes
        #1.149 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:40 AM EDT

        DB, you are such a bag of hot air- repugnican hot air...it is pure and typical repugnican hypocrisy to support wars and then be to chickensh*t to fight yourself. This is exactly what Rmoney did. Clinton was opposed to the war from the start. This is pure deflection.

        Furthermore, a point that you chickenhawks might want to think about if it doesn't overheat your "brain": we armed and helped organize the resistance in Afghanistan against the Russians in the early 80's. Remember that? And guess what? This group that we helped make eventually became Al Queada and OBL. Do you fools really want to keep arming groups that will eventually try to attack us? That's pretty stupid. Good luck to the Syrian rebels, but it's their fight. Help them with intel or sanctions, but no arms and no dead American soldiers. Anyone here willing to have their own children or grandchildren die to beat Assad? I'm sure not. If you cowardly jackasses want to fight, pick up a gun and head over there.

        • 7 votes
        #1.150 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:46 AM EDT

        BREAKING NEWS

        Mitt Robme openly supports Al Qaeda, Mitt Robme will win the Quisling Award. Mitt Robme wants to start a WWIII so that he and his family and other Mormons can finally meet on planet KOLOB.

        a vote for Mitt Robme is a vote for death and destruction,

        Vote straight Democrat this November because you , your childrens and granparents lives hang in the Balance

        Obama/Biden 2012

        • 10 votes
        #1.151 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:46 AM EDT

        WHOA...I thought the Republicans correctly pointed out the huge deficit will hurt our nation in the future. The Republicans want to make cuts to what they call ENTITLEMENTS, Medicare and Social security, programs that all (except the wealthy) rely upon. Now Willard wants to spend more American taxpayer dollars on the MILITARY COMPLEX, for the purpose of nation building in the ARAB Middle East. This of course has not and will not work in the ARAB Middle East. There will never be a true democracy in the Arab Middle East. We, in the USA can't change their thoughts, and we can't afford to in both manpower(Soldiers) and taxpayer dollars!!!

        • 5 votes
        #1.152 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:50 AM EDT

        CPAUL post 1.17

        Fair question.

        Obama has submitted his budgets. The lowest deficit is 600 Billion. This from somebody who termed the $454 Billion average deficits of Bush as immoral. If you remove half of the 2009 deficit of $1.4 Trillion (the half Obama asked for, democrats (and in some cases he) voted for, and signed) the Bush Deficits are about $350 Billion.

        Romney has a record in both business and government of getting both Business and government to adhere to a budget.

        -2002 Salt Lake Winter Olympics - asked to take over a bankrupt deadline failing organization, and made it profitable inside of 2 years.

        -Bain was about putting investors money into companies that were on the verge of closing the doors for good and everybody losing their jobs. Yes, some lost their jobs, but 79% of those companies exist today and are profitable, some have grown leaps and bounds. SOME jobs is far better than NO jobs.

        -Romney also faced a large deficit in Massachusetts. He does work with the other side, but his gains were not as stellar as at Bain. That is because Democrats aren't as willing to give as people you hire.

        Romney will improve our situation whether Congress is Democrats, Republicans, or Split. But for the Best Results, give him your full support, like the support Obama has enjoyed.

        The question is, do you want 4 more years of Malaise?

          #1.153 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:55 AM EDT

          Oh, sweet Jesus in heaven! And just how are you going to pay for that? Details, details, you liberals always want details. We'll work that out later.

          NO! Absolutely not!

          We don't need to waste any more time, treasure or American lives on the Middle East. Have you not been paying attention Mr. Romney?

          To say that I am shocked and appalled at the enormity of his ignorance would be the understatement of the decade. Mr. Romney, have you ever heard of CHINA? RUSSIA? Do those names ring a bell?

          How about THE DEFICIT? Does that sound familiar? How are you going to cut taxes 20%, pay down the deficit, arm Syrian Rebels, keep 30,000 Americans in Afghanistan and ADD 100,000 more troops plus equipment the US Military has not asked for without raising taxes, raising the deficit or bankrupting the United States?

          It's DEJA VU all over again.

          This goes so far beyond voodoo economics. This is voodoo policy.

          Oh, yeah, now I remember how you're going to pay for it, you're going to fire Jim Lehr and Big Bird. Oh yeah, that'll cover it I'm sure.

          I am struck dumb with disbelief. I feel like I've been poleaxed. That is incredible. First the 47% and now this.

          I need to take a pill and lie down, this is INCONCEIVABLE!

          BRING ON ARMAGEDDON folks!

          Obama/Biden 2012

          • 9 votes
          #1.154 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

          Did obama sign up for the selective service system as was required by law??. When I got out of the service in 1984 I still had to sign up for it during my out-processing being I never had 6yrs active duty. The DMV was registering of age applicants when they applied for a drivers licence. About the only way to have skirted the law is if a person applied for the licence as a foriegner, or they just out-right broke the law.

          • 1 vote
          #1.155 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:04 PM EDT

          Bp

          I'm sure Obama will handle it like he has been doing since he took office. He will capture or kill those responsible and do it without starting a war or endangering thousands of our children.

          No, Obama will is not handling hunting them down. Libya of all places in cooperation with other Arab countries Is getting these terrorists.

            #1.156 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:04 PM EDT

            Pete MT post 1.95

            Mormon Defense Contractors.

            And you are basing this on ONE Mormon who owned stock in a defense contractor?

            Your little gem is the imagination of the Occupiers of the White House!

              #1.157 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:12 PM EDT

              Ian emdee

              If you think that Egypt was an improvement, you must have gone blind.

              Ask the Coptic Christians If there are any left in the near future.

                #1.158 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

                WOW… I just listened to Romney’s foreign policy speech and came away feeling great about being an American! Unlike Obama, Romney actually loves our country and will deliver the leadership we need to turn this nation around! Only a fool would disagree. Under Obama, a dark cloud of evil seems to hang over the future our country, but under Romney we have hope and a positive Regan like vision of an American future designed to better serve our parents, children and grandchildren! God Bless America!

                Romney/Ryan 2012

                • 3 votes
                #1.159 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:20 PM EDT

                D Appel

                You couldn't have researched what you wrote. The Reagan Administration supplied them mostly Soviet weapons from the WW II and the Korean war.

                Today, they prefer and buy almost exclusively Soviet Union era weapons. Most of which are no match for our modern weapons.

                  #1.160 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:25 PM EDT

                  Just what we need. Another warmonger like George sticking his damn nose where he has no business in a mess that has nothing to do with us.

                  • 6 votes
                  #1.161 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:27 PM EDT

                  CAN'THIDE......Maybe you have your money in stocks in the Corporate Military Complex, hence your enthusiasm for Willard spending more American Taxpayer dollars to Nation build in the Arab Middle East. Meanwhile Willard and Pauly, want to cut what they call ENTITLEMENTS, programs such as Medicare and Social Security, because of our HUGE budget deficit. Willard also wants to resurrect Nasa. OK, where is all this money coming from....? China??? Typical TEA PARTY ZOMBIE!!!!Beholding to the KOCH BROTHERS...

                  • 5 votes
                  #1.162 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

                  An American President will be in office when the middle east explodes,, its coming,, and for what? Oil!

                  My plea to the winner is GET OUT, stop all Foriegn aid, start tapping our own resources.

                  Without our financial support, the middle east will wither, its a desert.

                  There is one party line that has been getting crossed for decades (OIL AGENDA) dont be fooled, as long as we are dependent of arab oil, both parties are the same. Your vote is just tossed into the giant circus we call the presidential election, Same,Same. Go figure!

                    #1.163 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:34 PM EDT

                    Frank said:

                    What impresses you the most about Obamas foreign policy??

                    Is it when he disarms embassy guards and causes our ambasadors to be killed???

                    I've heard this over and over. Here's what actually happened:

                    Ambassador Stevens and diplomatic personnel in Libya asked for an extension for the US Security Support Team, headed by Lt. Colonel Andrew Wood, to continue in Tripoli after their deployment was scheduled to end in June:

                    Asked for comment to the memo and Wood's comments, a spokesman for the House Oversight Committee told ABC News: "Diplomats working in Libya viewed security provided by highly trained Americans as critical to their safety and mission. The Oversight Committee's investigation continues to seek answers about why - even as threats against Americans increased - senior State Department officials erroneously decided such security was no longer needed."

                    In February, the embassy reported to the State Department that the "security environment in Tripoli remains uncertain and unstable. Although there has been a marked decrease in the number of militia checkpoints around Tripoli, the Transitional National Council (TNC) has not yet succeeded in demobilizing the multiple militias or bringing them into a centralized command and control structure. There continues to be large numbers of weapons throughout Tripoli, with gunfire heard throughout the city on a daily basis."

                    The State Department pushed the American diplomats to develop plans to transition its security staffing to one that incorporated more locally based assets, but its ability to do so was "severely limited by a number of factors," the February memo states, including inconsistent support from the Libyan government, no reliable "armed, uniformed host government security at our residential and office compounds," no "real progress on the policy framework required to support a transition to an armed locally engaged body guard force," silence from the Libyan Minister of Interior when it came to formal U.S. "requests for firearms licenses, training sites, or static, host nation security."

                    The request concludes: "Given the unstable security environment, projected staffing increases, lack of physical and technical security upgrades in place and continued high volume of VIP visits, Embassy Tripoli requests an extension" of the Security Support Team for four months, which "will allow us to implement the security transition plans recommended by the Department. A loss of SST now would severely and negatively impact our ability to achieve the Department's policy and management objectives at this critical time in Libya's transition."

                    Investigators are exploring whether anyone at the State Department told the Embassy specifically not to request another extension.

                    It's another disastrous case of pencil pushers deciding they know better than those on the front lines what the front lines need. The person at the State Department who made the decision not to pass on the request from the diplomatic team should take the blame for this.

                      #1.164 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

                      Obviously, oskar-1391552, American English is not your native language. What is your native land?

                      • 3 votes
                      #1.165 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:37 PM EDT

                      Romney is promising aid to Rebels. If he doesn't Al Qaida is and will move in and take over the movement. Al Qaida is gaining a foot hold in Syra which will be no better than Assad.

                      The reason Al Qaida is moving in, is because Obama failed to support the rebels appropriately so they wouldn't accept help from the first person offering help.

                      We now need to act to stop this takeover of the Rebel forces!

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.166 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:40 PM EDT

                      Just more proof that we cannot afford republicans in any office. It is always borrow and spend. Hey Romney what ever happened to is it important enough to borrow money from China to pay for it?

                      • 5 votes
                      #1.167 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:42 PM EDT

                      Romney Supports Al Qaeda in Syria, A vote for Romney is a vote for sending YOUR children to death and destruction for another War started by the Republicans. Vote straight Democrat, Your Childrens Lives depend on it

                      • 4 votes
                      #1.168 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:52 PM EDT

                      The right wing hypocrisy and double standard ideology continues unabated and the leader is good Ole Mitt. The current administration helped the rebels, in Egypt and Libya, depose their dictators. And, by the way, Obama, the dictator, ignored the constitution in helping the Libyan rebels win their civil war, Right!? As a result, democratic elections put in power Muslim leaning governments. So, the conservative drum beaters are all against Obama for helping to remove "leaders" that kept the dreaded "Muslims" in check. It seems to these right wing nut jobs, the people of these countries should only exercise the democratic process to elect governments that suit our needs. How dare they freely elect a Muslim government!!!!!

                      Now we have Mitt talking about doing what Obama did in Libya and in Egypt and it's all fine with the right wing morons! What a bunch of fork tongued ignoramuses. Prime example that it doesn’t matter what Obama does, to these hatred filled zombies it’s “Damned if you do, damned if you don't.”

                      Make up your minds! The US has contributed enough to the Arab spring. Let them determine their own faith from here on out. We don't need to get involved any further in Middle Eastern affairs.

                      Romney has no clue as to what he should stand for, so he keeps throwing spit balls at the wall and see what sticks. He needs to go back to Bain, where the only objective is to maximize profit -- "the end justifies the means." His make-money-at-any-cost mentality doesn’t work in politics, especially in international affairs.

                      • 5 votes
                      #1.169 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:55 PM EDT

                      TO: John in Battle Creek who wrote:

                      "Just more proof that we cannot afford republicans in any office. It is always borrow and spend. Hey Romney what ever happened to is it important enough to borrow money from China to pay for it?"

                      Exactly! But what Republicans' message is that the ONLY thing they will "borrow and spend" on IS war.

                      I think they like it because they can bid and gamble on the stock market, based on what American does overseas, and the reason why Republicans don't like to "invest at home" is because it's too difficult to gamble on what American invests in itself.

                      Obama/Biden 2012

                      • 6 votes
                      #1.170 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:56 PM EDT

                      Unlike Obama, Romney actually loves our country...

                      That's some dangerous koolaid you're drinking there, Can'tHideFromTheTruth. You'd better open your eyes and quit trying to run from the truth.

                      President Obama has devoted himself to public service in the poor neighborhoods of Chicago, in the Illinois statehouse, in the U.S. Senate and for almost four years as Commander in Chief. He's not doing it for the money and has never done it for the money. He does it because he cares about our country and its future.

                      Quoting Mitt Romney (this is on video, by the way): "When I was a boy, I used to think that becoming rich and becoming famous would make me happy. Boy was I right!"

                      Make no mistake, Mitt Romney's heart is in his hip pocket. That's where he carries his wallet.

                      OBAMA/ BIDEN 2012

                      • 5 votes
                      #1.171 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:11 PM EDT

                      kaybeetoys

                      Unlike Obama, Romney actually loves our country...

                      That's some dangerous koolaid you're drinking there, Can'tHideFromTheTruth. You'd better open your eyes and quit trying to run from the truth

                      Who is ruining from the truth is Obama who deny AlQaeda pre-planned attack to our Embassy. Obama did not answer the 3AM call, he was in Vegas. Someone has blood in their hands.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.172 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

                      To be clear I have been a lifelong member of the Democratic Party
                      – I voted for President Obama based on these reasons.

                      Obama promised

                      -
                      to bring the country together like never before

                      -
                      to bridge the gap between all races and enter
                      into a new era of hope

                      -
                      to cut our national debt in half by the end of
                      his first term (why our media fails to ignore the importance of this boggles my
                      mind) the reality of what he did turns into a 11 trillion dollar lie * in 2008
                      our national debt was 10,000,000,000,000 – if Obama did what he promised it
                      would now be 5 trillion – it just tipped the scales at 16 trillion. How he gets away with this is insane to me –
                      just an average middle class American.
                      To see a man or even a neighbor go to jail for stealing a pack of gum –
                      it just amazes me what our leaders get away with.

                      -
                      to bring a new era in the relationships with
                      other countries around the world and because he has the racial profile he does
                      it would allow American hating extremist around the world to look at us in a
                      new light – the reality is after securing the country of Iraq (at the cost of
                      billions in cash as well as life) we are about to let them be overrun by west
                      hating extremist * the same goes in Afghanistan – our current sitting president
                      is so concerned about his political position with the up and coming election he
                      chose to make it world knowledge that we are leaving Afghanistan. This says to me a person who served 4 years
                      in the navy – that he could care less about the safety of our troops that are
                      still there. Here is what is happening now
                      – because the Afghan people know we are leaving them to fend for themselves – factions
                      of average village people are now trying to show Al Qaeda that their village is
                      anti America – thus our troops are experiencing heightened attacks from those
                      we have actually been trying to help for more than ten years

                      -
                      to create millions and millions of green
                      jobs. The reality is that pipe dream
                      does not exist – but because of Obamas arrogance he thought the average American
                      would go out and purchase solar panels for their house or purchase a chevy volt
                      at a cool 50,000 each. He didn’t realize
                      the reality of why we use coal to provide electricity across the grid or oil to
                      heat our homes or gas to drive a car – they are the cheapest and most efficient
                      forms of energy. The facts are the only
                      reason any green jobs exist is because they function wholly on the backs of the
                      tax paying citizens. To see Obama at the
                      last debate attempt to demonize the big oil companies (which no one is ever going
                      to love – including me) because they have received up to 2 billion in tax payer
                      subsidies – but the real shocker is the fact that he gave 90 billion to green
                      energy companies like Solyndra and those companies donated millions to his campaign
                      – I don’t like using my hard earned tax money to be stolen by a fraud. Here is the truth – Obama wants gas prices to
                      sky rocket – that is why he has shut down any new permits to drill oil in this
                      country – so now oil companies have to purchase land in order to drill in
                      private – when what they had been doing is paying the government huge fees in
                      leasing government land – so his thought is if the gas prices get high enough
                      us idiot American will run to a green energy source – and we would but we will go
                      bankrupt. The coal industry produces
                      electricity at 3-5 cents per Killiwatt hour – while solar/wind produce energy
                      at $22 dollars and hour – our government has given and continues to subsidize the
                      wind/solar at $20 dollars – how stupid is that. 90 billion going to private companies – if this
                      were going to something the extreme left hates – there would be pure outrage.

                      -
                      To balance our Federal Budget – the reality is
                      Democrats have had control of the House and Senate since 2006 – and in 2010 the
                      people spoke and kicked many of them out – now they only control the
                      senate. So for the 4 years Obama has
                      been president our government runs without a budget. On a credit rating that has just been
                      downgraded for the first time in modern history. And due to be dropped again after the
                      election if Obama is re-elected. Which
                      means our national debt is going to grow faster – and sealing the fate of our
                      children and grandchildren. This proves
                      again that this man is not a leader – or he just doesn’t care.

                      -
                      Jobs Jobs Jobs – like our dufus VP said on the campaign
                      trail – Obama is all about that 3 letter word JOBS JOBS JOBS – what a dufus. The reality is Obama spent the first two
                      years in office with complete control of all 3 houses – and he spent if
                      fighting for a healthcare bill that has no business playing a role in this
                      country under our constitution. I agree
                      there needs to be changes to our healthcare system but this is far from what
                      needs to be done and to have our speaker of the house at the time say (“we will
                      find out what is in it after we vote for it”)
                      you cant make this @!$%# up – crazy loony people running our country. Scary.

                      What really sucks – is I bought into the hope and change – I
                      am a white male – but have 1/6 Native American Indian blood and I played football
                      in college – which brought me together with my now two best friends who are
                      African American – but I only use those terms to describe this here when in
                      reality they are my brothers. They are
                      in shock as to what has transpired and they do not believe a word that comes
                      out of our current sitting Presidents mouth.
                      I could go on and on but I am sure I will get bashed for daring to speak
                      my mind and against the god in chief for so many of you.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.173 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:03 PM EDT

                      Romney wants to start a new war? Really. Imagine that. Come on people, Romney is not a presidential candidate. He just plays one on TV.

                      • 5 votes
                      #1.174 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

                      Wait! Wait! The subject is why should the USA become involved in the Syrian conflictt. No where have I read specifically why this "conflict" between Syrian rebels and Al-Assad should involve the USA. If the reason is that the rebels share US values? -- that supporting the rebels would develop US influence and good relations thereof? -- how so? -- and why? I want to know more prior to vothing for a candidate

                      Given that Muslims have historically been adverse to US, UN interventions, even though it was in their best interest to improve (so we think) the Muslim's lifestyle, they have stubornly held to their beliefs that anything Westren is a threat to the Muslin code of beliefs. So, how can US intervention (war backing rebel muslims) in Syria change the basic Syrian Muslim belief system that anything westren is a threat -- will the rebels majically change? Well. at this point, probably no. Irregardless of change of government within any Muslim nation, the bottom line will always be that westren influence is a threat.

                      I guess the bottom line is how do we buy middle eastern oil without finacially improving the poplace --not our goal, but none the less a result. The financial improvement -- perhaps -- by middle eastren measure -- would corrupt the Muslim belief system -- how so is for the Muslims among us to explain.

                        #1.175 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:51 PM EDT

                        You all ever thought there could be something in the old saying, 'The one most suited to hold power is the one who least wants it...'? George Washington didn't want it...and look at what he did.

                        Since Romney has coveted the presidency for so long now his teeth hurt, so the next question to ask is why? *crickets*

                        • 3 votes
                        #1.176 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:52 PM EDT

                        Maybe Romney will take up where one of the Republican Candidate drop-outs left off -- NUKE anyone, anywhere if the mood fits. Maybe he should be reminded that the "buck" stops with him.

                        With North Korea riding along with Syria, it would not take much to start WWIII. But of course that might help out the poor Military/Industrial Complex for at least a few minutes.

                        • 2 votes
                        #1.177 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:07 PM EDT

                        PS: It gives the impression that the Muslim religion is so fragile that any question is a threat - how do you explain that? The question is not meant as a challenge but an attempt to understand.

                          #1.178 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

                          Catydid -- Agreed that folks underestimate what military action against Iran would mean. And at the basis of it all, people overestimate what a nuclear Iran would mean.

                          Pakistan, N. Korea, etc. have nukes and guess what? Mutually-assured destruction can actually help to maintain the peace. Countries want nukes to prevent attack, not to sell to terrorists -- Have N. Korea or Pakistan done so? The majority of people in Iran do not support a lot of the anti-Israel warmongering crap that Ahmadinejad spews. But I'm less concerned about nukes in Iran than another perpetual war, and fueling anti-USA sentiment among the Iranian population that want to overthrow their own government right now.

                          Listen to Romney and his ChickenHawk rhetoric -- It is no different than Ahmadinejad or when Saddam was in power. They use it for political purposes.

                          • 3 votes
                          #1.179 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:13 PM EDT

                          11B2EB4 -- Agreed. Two things; a draft and War Bonds. Require these two things and it would stop this nonsense.

                          • 2 votes
                          #1.180 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

                          kaybeetoys -- Agreed that the "unfiltered Romney" is the one we see in the video at the fundraiser, not the pandering Jello we saw in the debate. I encourage voters (especially Mormon Tea Party types) to watch the entire video, because the hypocrisy about the 47% coming from Romney the tax evader is only one alarming comment. His foreign policy comments were also crazy talk.

                          • 3 votes
                          #1.181 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:31 PM EDT

                          Mitt Robme/ Paul Lyin Ryan has stated that they would like to have American Forces in Syria to Support Al Qaeda that are trying to overthrow Asad, after they spend 100s of Billions of dollars on this and many of our Youths Lives to boot, They have stated that they would like to start another war in Iran costing TRILLIONS of dollars and Tens of Thousands of Young American Lives.

                          Vote Straight Democrat, we dont need anymore wars Started by Republicans. Save a life , because that life you save maybe your Childs.

                          Obama/Biden for a SANE America

                          • 4 votes
                          #1.182 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:53 PM EDT

                          Metteyya

                          Peace through strength?

                          What else can we expect from a campaign with the slogan Restore our Future. Hahaha, think about it.

                          • 2 votes
                          #1.183 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

                          TO: oskar-1391552 who wrote:

                          ["American girl: Nope, President Obama hasn't supplied anybody with any weapons"]

                          "Just because you say so, it does't mean is true. So all the drones Obama use to help the Arabs has no cost?..."

                          Drones to help Arabs? What Arabs? Like Saudia Arabia "Arabs"? Carnival barker.

                          As far as President Obama supplying weapons to rebels, that's what Republicans have been complaining about that they WANT President Obama to do, but Republicans say he hasn't done.

                          I figure if Republicans want weapons sent, and they're complaining that President Obama won't send them, I tend to believe that President Obama has NOT sent them, not that I would believe much else Republicans say.

                          By the way, let me be the first to tell you, "Nothing's free".

                          Obama/Biden 2012

                          • 2 votes
                          #1.184 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

                          I can see it now, we send tons of the "Jesus rifles" to Syria and cause them to hate us more than they already do.

                          • 2 votes
                          #1.185 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                          More defense spending for very expensive and obsolete weapons that the Defense Dept. has said they do not want. Promoting two simultaneous wars in Iran and Syria without question. An abundance of funds for these minor expenses.

                          All the while pushing austerity programs to eventually destroy Grandma's Social Security check and Medicare because they are "unsustainable". Our massive deficit means cutting Medicaid and food stamps that keep the poor and hungry children from starvation and illness. Why? Because we simply can't afford it.

                          Exactly what kind of idiot can justify all of the above? This very thinking and policy recently brought us to the very brink of economic disaster to rival the Great Depression. Seems that some of us are sorry we missed the mark last time. Let's do it all over again and see if we can create the Greatest Depression. Vote Romney/Ryan. By God, we'll all go down in history!

                          • 1 vote
                          #1.186 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:19 PM EDT

                          oskar,

                          The drones cost, of course, but we didn't waste 7,200 American lives for nothing and 50,000 injured for nothing in Libya and I hope not in Syria! We didn't have our own guns turned on us like they were in Afghanistan when bush gave them to the Afghans to use against the Soviets and when the Soviets left they had us come back in. New targets for the Taliban! Also, the wasted$4,000,000,000,000 + in costs for two lost wars!

                          • 2 votes
                          #1.187 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:01 PM EDT

                          Well! The only thing clear here is that the ones defending Romney don't know when the draft ended, or where the Libyan Embassy is, or the recent history of our military interventions.

                          By all means. Flood Syria with weapons, then, just like every time, wave the flag, declare victory, have a great parade and forget all about the place and let someone else deal with the aftermath.

                          • 1 vote
                          #1.188 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 2:31 PM EDT

                          When Obama began talking about Romneys plan being a return to Bush policies Romney gives an that's absurd look. Of course who could compare Romney's plan to cut taxes 500 billion a year with most going to the rich with Bush's tax cut of 400 billion a year with most going to the rich? Who could compare Bush who increased military spending and used the militray very aggressively around the world with Romney who wants to increase military spending 200 billion a year and constantly talks about us being weak because our president isn't leading or getting involved in every corner of the world? He sounds like Bush 3 to me.

                          • 1 vote
                          #1.189 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 7:18 PM EDT
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                          When rom;nuts' five freaky weirdo sons(who rom;nuts claims President Obama has hurt the Nation so much that his "children deserve better" than the over $100 million tax free trust they got for doing absolutely nothing. Didn't have to lift a finger!) join the military then he can talk about intervening in Syria. Tack more on military spending and falsely "accuse" President Obama when he counts the savings from the two wars and rom;nuts says he can't count that because it was borrowed money for the wars, It seems to me if it was borrowed money it is even smarter to end the wars and benefits the Nation even more if it was on a credit card and tolling up daily!I am glad President Obama kept his word and ended the wars. Rom;nuts is a dangerous person to hand the keys to the kingdom to him. He has proven his lack of honesty on every single occasion. Once a LIAR always a LIAR. If you are on a jury and a witness keeps changing his tune do you believe that person hen they talk? Didn't think so. Rom;nuts lies no two ways around it. Trust him at your own peril! Ronald Reagan had a saying: "Trust but verify." With rom;nuts and lyin' ry;an you can't trust and no use verifying because every word they utter are bold-faced lies. If rom;nuts wasn't running for President and he talked the way he does now he would be considered to have dementia because of his total detachment from reality. It really is sad how rom;nuts and lyin ry;an have truly demeaned the Office of the Presidency with their vile lies and treacherous campaign.

                          • 53 votes
                          #2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:36 AM EDT

                          As a U.S. Navy Submarine veteran, I only have one question to ask. When Romney starts a war with Iran, Russia, China, Syria, or Canada, take your pick, will his sons ever be in it. These guys are great at starting wars, when it does not cost you anything, GW started two of them, now Romney wants his turn. Romney has 5 sons, in Romney's wars will there be a place for one or two of his sons at the front, bet not!! In Romney's America, only the little people pay taxes and fight and die for our country.

                          • 49 votes
                          #2.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:49 AM EDT

                          barlow

                          what sub were you on?

                          Spent my time on ssn 614

                          • 6 votes
                          #2.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:40 AM EDT

                          I made 3 Boomer patrols on the T-Cup SSBN 628 Blue, and a westpac on USS 595 Wahoo, and old deisel-electric boat, both out of Pearl. From 1966-70.

                          • 11 votes
                          #2.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 5:50 AM EDT

                          What I want to know is if Romney understands that REAGAN ARMED AL QAIDA? We sent arms to Afghanistan to fight the regime there and those arms have been used against us. So Romney wants to send arms and troops to Syria, Egypt et. al. with the risk that those arms will be used against us?

                          REALLY?

                          • 16 votes
                          #2.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:03 AM EDT

                          Not a single male member of Romney's family has ever served in the American military and you can be sure none of his five sons will ever put on the uniform. In fact, I think that may be Romney's problem, his male member is so small he needs some rough and tough enhancement. Let's all chip in and get him a lifetime supply of Viagra, it could save thousands of American lives.

                          • 20 votes
                          #2.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:47 AM EDT

                          retired from military after 22 years 3 years ago...... I'm think folks need to be afraid of the the "chicken hawk" war thumping talk from from Romney. Learn from the mess of the last 10 years in blood and treasure that has done "what"?? The world is very different today than in world war 2 and the time for large boots on the ground armies to push onto the world the "american way" is past. We need to protect ourselves and go after the "bad guys" but we certainly need to do this in a more effective way that most of the last 10 years of wasted "national building occupation"

                          The waste of money and lives has been incredible

                          We are a strong nation and can have defense spending and secuirty spending be more effective and wisely done. These areas have to contribute to the reduction in spending to get us back in balance

                          the real number on defense / intelligence and security spending exceeds 1.5 trillion -- there is room for reduction in this that will not put us at "risk" and the money can be use for other things at home -- deficeit reduction, infrastructure project in the US (schools, roads, power grid, bridges, water systems here - not nation building in other countries

                          I cannot in good conscience vote for romney with this type of "military use bluster" I agree he would be a foreign policy disaster

                          • 34 votes
                          #2.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:51 AM EDT

                          I understand GOP foreign policy too well....just look at a data - the hundreds of thousands of lives lost in the Middle East during Bush, nothing compassionate there.

                          • 15 votes
                          #2.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:42 AM EDT

                          Romney will also argue that the U.S. must support the rebels to develop influence and good relations with the Syria’s future leaders.

                          Yo Mitt, this worked out real well in Libya, didn't it? I'm really fed up with this constant beating of the war drums by the rethugli-cons. Maybe it's time to put a few of THEIR sons and daughters on the front lines.

                          • 14 votes
                          #2.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:03 AM EDT

                          Blade-865322....we could use the Bush plan, just pick some other country, make up lies about them and then attack them and start a war with no plan to end it or get out. Or we could go to Lybia and say we are going to search for and destroy the people who did this and then back off when we get them surrounded, and then say we don't care where they are we are not interested in searching for them any more. First we need to see if any of the terrorists have relatives in America and arrange 1st class transportation for them when no one else is allowed to fly so that they will be safe and can continue to support future family terrorists.

                          Don't worry, I will support another war when Romney's kids and grand kids enlist in military as infantry front line troops.

                          • 10 votes
                          #2.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:07 AM EDT

                          Barlow-1919963

                          highnoon-2083495

                          stoney-3054460

                          and to everyone who put their lives on hold to serve this country

                          a big THANK YOU!

                          • 13 votes
                          #2.10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:15 AM EDT

                          So last week we get the "moderate Romney" taking up every position Obama has and trying to look more likeable.

                          This week we get the "war monger" Romney, probably to satisfy his base who were pissed off at the "moderate Romney".

                          Which Romney is the real one, place your bets, spin the wheel.....round and round it goes where it stops nobody knows.

                          • 16 votes
                          #2.11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:27 AM EDT

                          hmm, so mitt how did that relationship building work out in iraq? we gave their new military weapons and training, helped establish their new government. now iraq has started out speaking against us being in the region. we trained and supplied afghanistans troops, helped established their government. their troops have been shooting our troops. really people we cant learn from the past, every time we have supplied a group with weapons or training in the middle east or africa, it has always turned around and bit us in the ass. we need a president that realizes this.

                          unfortunantly the only candidate that did realize this was Ron Paul.

                          RON PAUL 2012 write him in people!

                          • 2 votes
                          #2.12 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:43 AM EDT

                          Let me guess, he read some opinion sites and felt this was the answer they wanted. No, he has no clue whether this is the right to do or not, he just says it because he thinks that is what they want to hear. And where is this money coming from? By next week someone will criticize this decision, and he will again change his tune. We need a better decision maker.

                          • 8 votes
                          #2.13 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:43 AM EDT

                          your right tfnj we do need a better decision maker. unfortunantly that is neither obama or romney.

                          RON PAUL 2012 write him in!

                            #2.14 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:58 AM EDT

                            Eric-913730 - I think that this war mongering Romney is the real guy - if his actions during Vietnam are any indication. He was very vocal about his belief that the US should be in Vietnam, but was very quick to take off to France instead getting drafted.

                            • 8 votes
                            #2.15 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:06 AM EDT

                            Arab spring is working out so well, At least Mitt knows who he is supporting !

                            I'm sure providing surface to air missiles to Al'Queda and Hezbollah as Romney proposes is a great idea. I mean what could go wrong? In any case the right wingers will never blame a president Romney if commercial and military aircraft of ours begin to be brought down around the world they only hold democratic presidents responsible. When 9-11 happened little was said about the failure to investigate men of middle east descent wanting to learn to fly aircraft but not to land them even though this was reported by flight schools to the FBI. Anyone think the right would let Obama slide on something like that?

                            • 7 votes
                            #2.16 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:25 AM EDT

                            I'll go one further.

                            How about when Willard sticks his nose in Syria the whole middle east will explode and will be the start of WW3.

                            Thanks AIPAC and Bibi

                            • 2 votes
                            #2.17 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

                            Does anyone notice the propaganda in this article? When they want us Americans to veiw the rebels as a negative, they show pictures of people throwing stuff...shot at, shooting, they show close ups of people yelling or protesting....However NOW, in this article, they show them with a little girl, smiling as genuine people!

                            First of all, Syrian people are nice people...OUR media sucks! However, the US should get out of other countries business. Our media doesnt mention that our CIA and british MI6 were sniping rebels, so they think they're own govt were killing them! What a farce! We just want to take Syria away from their own kind...we want to replace with our own, like Iraq, like Libya, like Afghanistan, and eventually Syria and Iran! Look at where they are ALL located on the map

                            • 1 vote
                            #2.18 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

                            I agree, we need to mind our own business..and Willard, if elected, will have us in another war that we can't afford! After his debacle overseas during the Olympics he should know better than to spout off. He needs to engage brain before putting mouth in gear!!

                            • 2 votes
                            #2.19 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:17 PM EDT

                            One little known fact here,is that Adelson,one of Romney's biggest money backers (and a neo-con war supporter).Is also the money backer for the Israeli PM Netanyahu (also a war-monger). So of course Romney is pushing for war in the Middle East. His money men want war there. This is freely discussed in the Israeli press,though not reported much in our media.

                            http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/10/05/170732/romney-backer-sheldon-adelson.html

                            http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000784906&fid=4117

                            http://www.talk2action.org/story/2012/2/6/11645/93612

                            These stories (only three of many I've seen) tell the whole sorry tale of Romney's sell-out. This election is one of the most important in America's History.And the choice is clear for every American.

                            If you support another endless war vote Romney. If you oppose the idea of you or your kids facing another Republican war,vote Obama.

                            • 1 vote
                            #2.20 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

                            Larry,

                            Clearly you did not listen to Romney's speech. Any arming is to be done to rebels who are KNOWN to be friendly to the US. IF this is not done, Al Qaeda, who is better armed and better able to get weapons will win, and then take over.

                            Romney's plan is more pragmatic than play tough talk, waiting for sanctions to work and watching Al Qaeda win Syria.

                              #2.21 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:02 PM EDT
                              Reply

                              Constantly evolving world stag? I understand it's the rut season & all, but never realized how serious a threat deer were to national security.

                              Better get Dick Cheney and his hunter buddies back out in the field and shoot some deer-butt!

                              • 21 votes
                              Reply#3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:43 AM EDT

                              So last week we get the "moderate Romney" taking up every position Obama has and trying to look more likeable.

                              This week we get the "war monger" Romney, probably to satisfy his base who were pissed off at the "moderate Romney".

                              Which Romney is the real one, place your bets, spin the wheel.....round and round it goes where it stops nobody knows

                              • 14 votes
                              #3.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:29 AM EDT

                              Perhaps all these pro-war religious Republicans should realize that Assad actually protects people in his country of religions other than Muslims? He is Muslim himself, but the Syrian Christians love him, because he leaves them to their own religion and doesn't bother them.....in fact warns them when he is going to be attacking in their area...............when the Muslim Brotherhood rebels take over, those Christians will be murdered instead of protected. Romney and the religious Right need to be careful what they wish for!

                              • 1 vote
                              #3.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:31 PM EDT
                              Reply

                              Funny really, hearing willard blathering about foreign policy..

                              He couldn't handle a rather benign trip to our closest ally without uniting the entire British press against him..

                              I believe "Mitt the Twit" was the most memorable headline from that rather embarrassing fiasco...

                              willard romney = epic fail....

                              • 43 votes
                              Reply#4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:49 AM EDT

                              unlike Obama, Mitt would not ignore Ambassadors

                              who beg & plead the BO to protect them on 9-11.

                              A. Stevens Trusted Obama & it cost him his life...BO literally left them there to Die!

                              Obama & his Dems were trying to save BIG BIRD within 24 hrs of the debate.

                              Yet they didn't lift one bony finger to save or even help A. Stevens - & the leftest Media gave him a pass.

                              Why ...... because everyone knows the LEFTEST Obama Dems & MSM could care less about American troops

                              Military Votes mostly GOP (they know who'll have their backs)

                              • 5 votes
                              #4.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:19 AM EDT

                              Blade-865322....the difference is that neither Clinton nor Obama got us into wars for other peoples kids to die in for no reaseon, and with no plan to get out and no plan to pay for them. Romney wants to talk tough and spend big money on military contracts, but you will never see a white line on the back of the steel helmit of any of his kids or grandkids. I don't expect you to know what that means, but everyone who has served in combat arms branch knows exactly what it means.

                              • 12 votes
                              #4.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:17 AM EDT

                              Your statement idiot is a flat out lie.

                              Prove it.

                              • 2 votes
                              #4.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:35 AM EDT

                              Your statement idiot is a flat out lie.

                              And if you think its true PROVE IT?

                              I also you are the same person lie your way to power.

                              Not this time you idiot. You are the stupid one.

                              • 1 vote
                              #4.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:36 AM EDT

                              love2troops i will not vote romney and guess what i am retired military, my nephews who are active duty will not vote for romney either. president obama may want to decrease defense spending, but his decrease is on obsolete systems. bush decreased veteran benefits and va help for the vets while sending them to war. obama has increase the vet benefits and services as a thank you for our service. unfortunantly though neither obama or romney have a clue about dealing with the middle east or getting back to america first.

                              the myth that you all are saying about obama not wanting to increase security is just wrong. obama offered to increase security, stevens refused it saying it would be sending the wrong message. please get your facts straight. stevens was very brave for speaking up like that. when you deny what he wanted you do not honor him.

                              RON PAUL 2012 write him in!

                              • 8 votes
                              #4.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:54 AM EDT

                              Love2troops, did you actually read the drivel that you just posted. You, like Mittens, are just another part of the problem. I am republican and ex-military and there is no way that I would vote for someone with his mindset. Obama is making progress getting the economy turned around dispite having zero help from the GOP. Funding a new war (actually its an old war, just new players) on my dime is not going to happen. Stevens knew and understood the risks yet as a true American stood his ground for what he believed. Your remarks dishonor him. Time for you to STFU.

                              • 4 votes
                              #4.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:54 AM EDT

                              Love to Troops said;

                              unlike Obama, Mitt would not ignore Ambassadors

                              who beg & plead the BO to protect them on 9-11.

                              A. Stevens Trusted Obama & it cost him his life...BO literally left them there to Die!

                              Eric said:

                              the myth that you all are saying about obama not wanting to increase security is just wrong. obama offered to increase security, stevens refused it saying it would be sending the wrong message.

                              I've heard this over and over. Here's what actually happened:

                              Ambassador Stevens and diplomatic personnel in Libya were asking for an extension for the US Security Support Team, headed by Lt. Colonel Andrew Wood, to continue in Tripoli after their deployment was scheduled to end in June:

                              Asked for comment to the memo and Wood's comments, a spokesman for the House Oversight Committee told ABC News: "Diplomats working in Libya viewed security provided by highly trained Americans as critical to their safety and mission. The Oversight Committee's investigation continues to seek answers about why - even as threats against Americans increased - senior State Department officials erroneously decided such security was no longer needed."

                              In February, the embassy reported to the State Department that the "security environment in Tripoli remains uncertain and unstable. Although there has been a marked decrease in the number of militia checkpoints around Tripoli, the Transitional National Council (TNC) has not yet succeeded in demobilizing the multiple militias or bringing them into a centralized command and control structure. There continues to be large numbers of weapons throughout Tripoli, with gunfire heard throughout the city on a daily basis."

                              The State Department pushed the American diplomats to develop plans to transition its security staffing to one that incorporated more locally based assets, but its ability to do so was "severely limited by a number of factors," the February memo states, including inconsistent support from the Libyan government, no reliable "armed, uniformed host government security at our residential and office compounds," no "real progress on the policy framework required to support a transition to an armed locally engaged body guard force," silence from the Libyan Minister of Interior when it came to formal U.S. "requests for firearms licenses, training sites, or static, host nation security."

                              The request concludes: "Given the unstable security environment, projected staffing increases, lack of physical and technical security upgrades in place and continued high volume of VIP visits, Embassy Tripoli requests an extension" of the Security Support Team for four months, which "will allow us to implement the security transition plans recommended by the Department. A loss of SST now would severely and negatively impact our ability to achieve the Department's policy and management objectives at this critical time in Libya's transition."

                              Investigators are exploring whether anyone at the State Department told the Embassy specifically not to request another extension.

                              So yes, Love 2 troops, you are right in saying that Ambassador Stevens' diplomatic party asked for more protection, but he asked it from the State Department--his boss--to pass on to the President.

                              You are, however, wrong in saying that President Obama refused it--from the general tenor of the above-quoted report, it seems that he was never given the chance since an official at the State Dept was encouraging them to develop relations with local forces and did not pass on the request from the diplomats to the administration.

                              Eric, you are right in saying that the myth of refusal to add security is right,but you'd be wrong in saying Stevens refused it. Stevens was never given the chance to refuse it because a state department decided it wasn't necessary.

                              It's another disastrous case of pencil pushers deciding they know better than those on the front lines what the front lines need.

                              • 1 vote
                              #4.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:25 PM EDT

                              To be clear I have been a lifelong member of the Democratic Party
                              – I voted for President Obama based on these reasons.

                              Obama promised

                              -
                              to bring the country together like never before

                              -
                              to bridge the gap between all races and enter
                              into a new era of hope

                              -
                              to cut our national debt in half by the end of
                              his first term (why our media fails to ignore the importance of this boggles my
                              mind) the reality of what he did turns into a 11 trillion dollar lie * in 2008
                              our national debt was 10,000,000,000,000 – if Obama did what he promised it
                              would now be 5 trillion – it just tipped the scales at 16 trillion. How he gets away with this is insane to me –
                              just an average middle class American.
                              To see a man or even a neighbor go to jail for stealing a pack of gum –
                              it just amazes me what our leaders get away with.

                              -
                              to bring a new era in the relationships with
                              other countries around the world and because he has the racial profile he does
                              it would allow American hating extremist around the world to look at us in a
                              new light – the reality is after securing the country of Iraq (at the cost of
                              billions in cash as well as life) we are about to let them be overrun by west
                              hating extremist * the same goes in Afghanistan – our current sitting president
                              is so concerned about his political position with the up and coming election he
                              chose to make it world knowledge that we are leaving Afghanistan. This says to me a person who served 4 years
                              in the navy – that he could care less about the safety of our troops that are
                              still there. Here is what is happening now
                              – because the Afghan people know we are leaving them to fend for themselves – factions
                              of average village people are now trying to show Al Qaeda that their village is
                              anti America – thus our troops are experiencing heightened attacks from those
                              we have actually been trying to help for more than ten years

                              -
                              to create millions and millions of green
                              jobs. The reality is that pipe dream
                              does not exist – but because of Obamas arrogance he thought the average American
                              would go out and purchase solar panels for their house or purchase a chevy volt
                              at a cool 50,000 each. He didn’t realize
                              the reality of why we use coal to provide electricity across the grid or oil to
                              heat our homes or gas to drive a car – they are the cheapest and most efficient
                              forms of energy. The facts are the only
                              reason any green jobs exist is because they function wholly on the backs of the
                              tax paying citizens. To see Obama at the
                              last debate attempt to demonize the big oil companies (which no one is ever going
                              to love – including me) because they have received up to 2 billion in tax payer
                              subsidies – but the real shocker is the fact that he gave 90 billion to green
                              energy companies like Solyndra and those companies donated millions to his campaign
                              – I don’t like using my hard earned tax money to be stolen by a fraud. Here is the truth – Obama wants gas prices to
                              sky rocket – that is why he has shut down any new permits to drill oil in this
                              country – so now oil companies have to purchase land in order to drill in
                              private – when what they had been doing is paying the government huge fees in
                              leasing government land – so his thought is if the gas prices get high enough
                              us idiot American will run to a green energy source – and we would but we will go
                              bankrupt. The coal industry produces
                              electricity at 3-5 cents per Killiwatt hour – while solar/wind produce energy
                              at $22 dollars and hour – our government has given and continues to subsidize the
                              wind/solar at $20 dollars – how stupid is that. 90 billion going to private companies – if this
                              were going to something the extreme left hates – there would be pure outrage.

                              -
                              To balance our Federal Budget – the reality is
                              Democrats have had control of the House and Senate since 2006 – and in 2010 the
                              people spoke and kicked many of them out – now they only control the
                              senate. So for the 4 years Obama has
                              been president our government runs without a budget. On a credit rating that has just been
                              downgraded for the first time in modern history. And due to be dropped again after the
                              election if Obama is re-elected. Which
                              means our national debt is going to grow faster – and sealing the fate of our
                              children and grandchildren. This proves
                              again that this man is not a leader – or he just doesn’t care.

                              -
                              Jobs Jobs Jobs – like our dufus VP said on the campaign
                              trail – Obama is all about that 3 letter word JOBS JOBS JOBS – what a dufus. The reality is Obama spent the first two
                              years in office with complete control of all 3 houses – and he spent if
                              fighting for a healthcare bill that has no business playing a role in this
                              country under our constitution. I agree
                              there needs to be changes to our healthcare system but this is far from what
                              needs to be done and to have our speaker of the house at the time say (“we will
                              find out what is in it after we vote for it”)
                              you cant make this @!$%# up – crazy loony people running our country. Scary.

                              What really sucks – is I bought into the hope and change – I
                              am a white male – but have 1/6 Native American Indian blood and I played football
                              in college – which brought me together with my now two best friends who are
                              African American – but I only use those terms to describe this here when in
                              reality they are my brothers. They are
                              in shock as to what has transpired and they do not believe a word that comes
                              out of our current sitting Presidents mouth.
                              I could go on and on but I am sure I will get bashed for daring to speak
                              my mind and against the god in chief for so many of you.

                                #4.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:29 PM EDT

                                I am an independent, who switched to democrat to vote for Obama in the Nebraska Caucus in 2008. Come November I will be voting for Obama again. I do not listen to the pundits. I look and listen for myself. What I see is a lot of small businesses opening up in my town, that was turning into a ghost town in 2008. I see people able to get health insurance where before they couldn't. Most of all, I heard a surgeon tell us that he could only do for our daughter what the insurance company would allow. I sure am glad that we could, if necessary, cover anything the insurance wouldn't cover. It makes me happy to support a man to run this country that wants the insurance companies to give everyone affordable healthcare and that no treatment can be turned down.

                                • 3 votes
                                #4.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:51 PM EDT

                                MM

                                Really. What do you call the Sudan?

                                  #4.10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:04 PM EDT

                                  husker girl

                                  Your trust is misplaced.

                                  Keystone is in the process of hiring 11,000 workers in Nebraska. Obama has been and still is trying to shut the pipelines down.

                                    #4.11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:18 PM EDT

                                    Keystone is in the process of hiring 11,000 workers in Nebraska. Obama has been and still is trying to shut the pipelines down.

                                    Really. I doubt that Nebraskans will get the jobs. The job will for to others, not Nebraskans, many not even Americans. As for the pipeline, I am fighting against the pipeline. I am one of those that do not want it going over the aquifer. Please wake up before it is too late.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #4.12 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 9:00 AM EDT
                                    Reply

                                    "Peace through Strength" is nothing more than a cute little catch phrase that "defense" contractor lobbyists have thrust upon our elected "leaders" to propagandize US the masses so that we believe and support whatever the military wants and does. Keep believing that BS if you want, but it is all BS. Romney shows himself over and over again to be a lying sack of turds.

                                    Peace and Semper Fidelis...

                                    • 47 votes
                                    #5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:53 AM EDT
                                    Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                    Yep that bend over backwards and kiss their asses and suck their dicks and apologize to our nuts fall off is working so well dont you think??..All of the middle east is ablaze..OUR Embassy burned to the ground and 4 AMERICANS violated up the a$$ and then killed..4 more Embassies attacked besides that one..Iran close to a nuclear weapon that They WILL use..yep...No peace through strength here...Those idiots in Washington might as well wear panties cause they are ALL a bunch of P U S S I E S!!!

                                    • 8 votes
                                    #5.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:50 AM EDT

                                    Blade - I assume that you are not in Washington, but you an idiot none the less. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid if that helps you make through the day...

                                    • 16 votes
                                    #5.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:57 AM EDT

                                    So Blade who would you have us retaliate against?

                                    • 8 votes
                                    #5.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:05 AM EDT
                                    Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                    We dont need to retaliate against anybody..We need to keep drinking the koolaid Jd mentioned and kissing the towelheads ass every chance we get and when they shove a necular weapon up our ass lets all join hands and thank God for the intelligent leader we have in Washington....one...Two...three..lets all close our eyes and click our heels together and say in unison..Theres no place like home...Theres no place like home...Theres no place like home........the land of milk and honey, the land of free cheese and free checks..No wonder the towelheads want to take us over...Its so bad right now the mexicans are leaving...And THATS scary!!!

                                    • 6 votes
                                    #5.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:33 AM EDT

                                    Hey Blade, have you seen this nuclear weapon Iran IS GOING TO USE? Cause to me it's more frightening that they have signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Agreement and Israel, they're neighbor that's so scared, hasn't and already has nuclear weapons. Every country over there is a threat and needs to be monitored and handled accordingly, but jumping into another couple countries over what could be random attacks is about as bright as our future with either one of these bozos in office!

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #5.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:12 AM EDT

                                    Yep you're right..We must TOTALLY TRUST every word and every action that IRAN says and takes BECAUSE they have signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Agreement.. Yep...And the world is TOTALLY wrong to have levied all those sanctions on Iran for not letting those pesky little United Nations Nuclear Weapons Inspectors inside their country just to make sure that they ARE telling the truth..SHAME...SHAME...SHAME.. On the world for not believing Iran when they say that they are only developing all that Nuclear stuff for peaceful purposes..

                                    And I dont thinkIi said anything about 'jumping" into anther country..Show me where I said that...But I will agree with what you said about our future being dim with either of these two bozos in office..

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #5.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:27 AM EDT

                                    Blade...isn't it past your bedtime?

                                    • 15 votes
                                    #5.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:42 AM EDT

                                    I am sorry but as I read these and a lot of other comments I just keep shaking my head as to the number of people that cant see right through Mitt Romney. I can understand there are people that dont really like either one of them - and if you are a Republican you have to support Mitt boy. But for heaven's sake dont let him fool you that he will be the one to turns things around started from the day of his inauguration. That is what he said. He is going to stop Medicare and sign some other bill that some people seems to be supportive of. He might be smart at making money but that is where his intelligence stops. He is a blithering idiot flopping back and forth depending on what the popular platform for him is. He doesnt know what he is going to do if he gets in power - he flies by the seat of his pants and if he is elected then he will just make it up as he goes. If I had to vote for the lesser of two evils it wouldl be Obama not Romney. He is a scarey man and if he gets in the people who voted him in are in for a real awakening. And by then it will be too late. Use your heads guys - listen to what the guy is actually saying he is not that hard to figure out

                                    • 24 votes
                                    #5.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:45 AM EDT

                                    blade: YOU ARE SUCH A BIGOT!

                                    I am really happy to see that there are actually rational-minded, sane people on this site and in this world.

                                    You and your thoughts are "SCARY"!!!

                                    • 13 votes
                                    #5.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:54 AM EDT

                                    Yeah they are soooooo concerned about foreign policy -

                                    Every spare dime they had went to Obama Phones, Food Stamps, Welfare, Disability, Foreign Aid 4 Billion to the Muslim Brotherhood- Eric Holder suing for NO ID VOTING....

                                    Defense spending? F**K that says Obama

                                    Benefits for the Soldiers who survived the FT. Hood shootings F**K that ...

                                    Security for our Ambassador & the Soldiers who died with them F**K that -

                                    Every tax Dollar BO spends & has spent has one criteria to Obama (himself) ...

                                    "Will it help BO personally? Can I buy a vote with it ? Can I pay off a Union thug? Can I extend Freebies & exploit the poor?

                                    Obama has no respect for the American Tax payer or the men & women who risk their lives for America.

                                    His sissy ambivalent record proves it.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #5.10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:32 AM EDT

                                    Never forget what President ( and General ) Dwight Eisenhower warned us about when he left office !

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #5.11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:32 AM EDT

                                    @Blade-865322

                                    So you answer to the problem is WAR?

                                    I'm sure that will solve everything.

                                    Sending young men and women to combat and possibly death is your way to solve the problems in the middle east. How good did Iraq work for us?

                                    • 6 votes
                                    #5.12 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:40 AM EDT

                                    Shar @5.8

                                    The problem with listening to what Romney is that he says different things about the exact same subject at different times and depending on whether he is in a closed room or which group he is talking to.

                                    Surprise...............there is NO real Romney to pin down because he always changes his opinion, mind, policy or even what he was recorded saying............Others have called him an empty suit.....actually I prefer picturing a suit filled with a bag of wind!

                                    • 8 votes
                                    #5.13 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

                                    Just more proof that we cannot afford Romney as president

                                    • 5 votes
                                    #5.14 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

                                    "Peace through strength." "Might is right." What other little platitudes will the right use to bang the drums of war? Let them place their children and grandchildren on the front lines, in harms way and I will support them. If not, then I refuse to believe there is sufficient rationale for war!

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #5.15 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:26 PM EDT
                                    Reply

                                    Mitt's foreign policy advisors are famous for the following:

                                    WMDs

                                    Iraq War

                                    Torture

                                    Afghanistan

                                    9/11

                                    Nothing else needs to said.

                                    Mitt Romney knows absolutely nothing about foreign policy other than the same old Bush-Cheney tropes and cliches. War for Romney is a business enterprise. He is dangerous and an idiot.

                                    Obama should absolutely welcome a debate on foreign policy with Mitt Romney.

                                    • 42 votes
                                    Reply#6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:57 AM EDT

                                    Mitt the Twit is indistinguishable from GWB on foreign policy. More borrow-and-spend reckless military expansion so that we can fight more senseless wars in countries that already hate us. Brilliant foreign policy!

                                    Doofus couldn't even handle an overseas visit to our allies without insulting them at every opportunity.

                                    • 21 votes
                                    #6.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:05 AM EDT

                                    It is totally irresponsible of Romney to make such specific statements when he has absolutely no intelligence. How can he claim that "we share the same values" with the Syrian rebels? Based on what? News reports? It should be pretty clear that we really don't know. We know that the Syrian government is fighting a very serious threat to them with what seems to be clearly excessive force with little regard for their own civilians. However, we need to keep in mind that not much more than a year ago, the Syrian president was allied with us against Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda posed a threat to his government and he went after them with a vengeance. So how do we know that Al Qaeda isn't behind a general uprising and revolution? Fact is we don't. Now it is safe to say that we oppose his extreme measures being taken against the rebel force with little regard for civilians and it is also fair to say that we have never thought of this guy as a humanitarian, but beyond that, I think saying "we share the values"with the rebel forces is an insane conclusion. What makes it even more insane is that a guy who would be President, who has absolutely no access to intelligence info, would publicly make such a statement. We can sit here and make such statements in a forum such as this, but we are purely speculating and have no power to take any actions. Romney is no different than any poster on this board except that he is asking for us to give him the power and he's already telling us what he'll do with it, even though he doesn't know any more than we do. That's irresponsible. That is insane.

                                    And as to the Libyan situation, likewise he doesn't know enough to be making such claims. He's not just suggesting the possibilities or creating a theoretical, what if, scenario, he's making a very clear accusation. He says, "likely the work of the same forces that attacked our homeland on September 11th, 2001," and "the deliberate work of terrorists." While that is a plausible guess, he states it like it is fact unless proved otherwise. Better to have complained about mixed messages coming from the White House as this incident evolved. But what he's telling us is that he's the kind of guy who won't wait until the facts are in, he'll just make assumptions and act on them because that's what decisive leaders do.

                                    Romney is so anxious to prove Obama as a failure that he will create one without any facts. I know this may appeal to Obama haters who would have no problem hanging him without a trial, but people with a bit more common sense can look at this and see a man who will say and do anything to get what he wants and he won't let facts get in the way. Is that the kind of man we want running the country? Even if you don't like Obama, I just can't see how you could see Romney as any better. Anyone taking a fair analysis has to conclude that Romney's approach to foreign policy is far less nuanced and clearly far less thought out. Bush was big on making up his mind and then looking for data to support it. Romney just quickly makes up his mind as says screw the data. That's even worse. Just going with your gut may work in business, but the consequences are considerably different when you create foreign policy that way.

                                    • 27 votes
                                    #6.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:13 AM EDT

                                    Voters that want war will vote Romney. Voters that don't want war will vote Obama. The choice is that simple.

                                      #6.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:43 PM EDT
                                      Reply

                                      Lyin' ry;an can see Canada from his home state.

                                      • 26 votes
                                      Reply#7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:00 AM EDT

                                      Giving heavy weapons to rebels in Syria? How long until these are used against Israel, or US troops? Does Mitt have an idea who he is giving these weapons to? Does he really care ... as long as he wins?

                                      • 28 votes
                                      Reply#8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:00 AM EDT

                                      Mitt Romney's MO since leaving Bain capital has been to do whatever it takes to become president.

                                      He hosted the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics to prove himself a good public leader.

                                      He got himself elected to governor of MA and proceeded to do nothing except...

                                      One major policy initiative: universal health care, with a moderate Republican bent (Republican stuff was overruled by the state legislature later)

                                      At each stop, he said exactly what the audience wanted to hear. In 2002 he was a pro-choice moderate. In 2006 when his term was up, he was a pro-life hard-line Republican. He ran for president in 2008 and has been running ever since.

                                      Heck, you can even see it in this election. During the primary debates he was completely anti-global warming. Now he's wishy washy, it's happening but a human cause is iffy.

                                      You have to wonder, who is he going to be when he's in the oval office?

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #8.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:39 AM EDT

                                      Steve, my thoughts exactly. Hey, if Syria can rid themselves of Asad then good for them, but I don't think we have a clear idea of who all is involved in the rebellion. The Middle East is full of examples of proxy wars that when the war is over, the fighters didn't necessarily align themselves with their supporters. Do we need yet another Taliban or al-Qaeda?

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:00 PM EDT
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                                      This Man wants to put us in another NO-WIN War. Another 11 year of WAR we can not afford for NO GOOD Reason. WE must stop this man from even seeing the chance of becoming President, Everyone should con-dim this Man, The Media should look at him as the Black Plague of the World, He is nothing but a true NUT Case. I wish no harm to this Man but he should move out of the United States since he has most of his Money out of the Country anyway. I think I better go out and buy more Ammo just in case we are dumb enough to elect him.........

                                      • 30 votes
                                      #9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:01 AM EDT

                                      When Reagan was president, there was only one potential enemy that we could get ourselves in war with, Russia. Life was simple. Guess how many are there now? The Bush wars have opened a Pandora box and we have enemies all over the world. Life for the US is a lot more complicated. Obama is an ideal leader for the time.

                                      With his "peace-through-strength" mantra, Romney would just be like a bull running in a china store. He even got our close ally Britain to be angry with him.

                                      • 29 votes
                                      #9.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:25 AM EDT
                                      Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      Yep hes an ideal leader for the time..He'll suck their dicks till they surrender..

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #9.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:52 AM EDT

                                      Do your kids know you write this kind of garbage?

                                      • 19 votes
                                      #9.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:12 AM EDT
                                      Comment author avatarBlade-865322Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      Dont have kids..Cant afford to raise them on my SSI check and food stamps..but I might get me some of them someday.....So why are you offended because I said suck their dicks..Hasnt Obama 'Evolved" in his religion that he now believes that dick suckers should marry?..So IF he said it, it CANT be offensive to ANYONE...Because he's NEVER wrong...but if he EVER is...blame it on BUSH..

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #9.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:37 AM EDT

                                      ^ Part of the 47%, but still complaining anyway.

                                      It's like my brother. Complaining about Obama, as he cashes in some of his stocks to raise money for buying speculative real estate.

                                      NO GOP votes in 2012.

                                      • 23 votes
                                      #9.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:48 AM EDT

                                      To Happy...

                                      I'll write tongue in cheek then next time so you'll know I'm joking when I say I draw SSI And food stamps..I havnt even been on unemployment one time in my lifetime..So there you have it..A self admitted 53% er..So now do I get to complain if I want to??

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #9.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:14 AM EDT

                                      No...because you are a crude, foul mouthed whiner!

                                      • 23 votes
                                      #9.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:55 AM EDT

                                      Yep..Just like your ole buddy Obama..Thats the biggest BIGOT that has ever been in the oval office by far..Have a different opnion than him and its the chopping block for you..

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #9.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:07 AM EDT

                                      Barbara..that hurt..

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #9.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:08 AM EDT

                                      Blade, why are you so preoccupied with phallic slurping, advertising kneepads, eh?

                                      • 15 votes
                                      #9.10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:11 AM EDT

                                      Speaking of Foreign policy.....The GAI reports that Obama has received hundreds of millions in campaign donations via "international" contributions.

                                      This is AGAINST the LAW. (whats new)

                                      Naturally the dishonest almost criminal MSM is not concerned with this..Instead the MSM keeps reporting on how much $$$ their beloved Messiah BO has raised.

                                      Is anyone surprised that Obama & his Chicago thug administration will gladly accept illegal & dangerous contributions? & the MSM covers for him?

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #9.11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:46 AM EDT

                                      Even if you were on unemployment it does not last forever. On top of that your employer pays unemployment compensation for you as long as you work for them. Once they lay you off you can draw on that unemployment.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #9.12 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:49 AM EDT

                                      Those International contributions came from the muslim brotherhood, relatives of Bin Laden, heirs of Ghadaffi, and Abu Bakar Bashir. (ooohhh....and the Tooth Fairy) You do believe in the Tooth Fairy Love2Troops?

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #9.13 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:55 AM EDT

                                      Let me say ONCE AGAIN................Monitors of these blogs/boards..................

                                      THANK YOU

                                      for the opportunity to be able to keep my blood pressure under control and ignore some of the insanity that characterizes some people when they sit in front of a keyboard.................I don't even want to read one word of the hateful and often plain stupid stuff that spews out of some peoples' brains and makes its way onto the internet.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #9.14 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:03 AM EDT

                                      scott with the all the anti gun legislation that mitt pushed thru as governor of mass. you better buy all the ammo and guns that you can right now. then bury them in your backyard. president mitt in office, you can bet the assault rifle ban will get reinstated, along with many more anti gun laws.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #9.15 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:13 AM EDT

                                      love2troops its not against the law, just ask the supreme court and citizens united. yes it should be against the law but the republican controlled supreme court passed citizens united so it is no longer against the law. so why are you not mad at the repulbican controlled supreme court for that? why are you not wanting to remove all republicans from office so that can be changed?

                                      please you people need to get out of your bubble.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #9.16 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:18 AM EDT
                                      Red_CloudDeleted
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                                      Spending to stimulate the economy? But what about the national debt? We can't afford to borrow money from China, its immoral to our grandchildren. Besides, we can make lots of jobs without spending by following my simple plan of doing.... something something something and cutting taxes (I mean not cutting taxes, just doing something something something)

                                      Spending to kill Arabs? Of course! What are you, a sissy?

                                      • 11 votes
                                      Reply#10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:02 AM EDT

                                      the debt with china is a trade defecit, not borrowed money. the US defecit of borrowed money is owed to the fed. we dont borrow money from foreign countries, we borrow money from the fed.

                                      the only one that was willing to make the hard choices to get us out of debt was Ron Paul.

                                      RON PAUL 2012 write him in!

                                        #10.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:22 AM EDT

                                        the debt with china is a trade defecit, not borrowed money.

                                        China buys treasury bonds. Meaning they lend us money. Oh and the purchase of those treasury bonds are how they keep their currency lower than ours.

                                          #10.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:45 AM EDT
                                          Reply

                                          Now if Romney promises that one or more of his sons would be joining in any war he would be starting, then he'll have some credibility.

                                          • 19 votes
                                          Reply#11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:14 AM EDT

                                          If we were living in the 'glorious olden days' the Republicans want to take us back to, the ruler of the country would be the one leading the charge against the enemy in the battles, charging ahead on his white horse all decked out in his armor and sword. Maybe that would be a good thing about 'going back', we would surely have fewer wars if the 'fearless leaders' who love war so much had to be the one out front leading the charge into battle.

                                          It's way too easy to safely be thousands of miles away and send other people's sons and daughters to die for their unnecessary wars. Kind of looks like the debt and deficit aren't so worrisome to him (Romney) anymore.

                                          • 18 votes
                                          #11.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:42 AM EDT

                                          Mitt leading the charge into battle - that picture made me LOL!
                                          Never happen in a million years. His sons would be in a war before that would happen.

                                          • 9 votes
                                          #11.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:51 AM EDT

                                          Now if Romney promises that one or more of his sons would be joining in any war he would be starting, then he'll have some credibility.

                                          you sir are a genious

                                          • 8 votes
                                          #11.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 5:11 AM EDT

                                          It cracks me up when the Leftest Anti Military Obama Democrats call for Mitts sons to go serve...

                                          Like one single Obama Voter would ever put America b4 party.

                                          My family has served in the Military for generations...

                                          We know the GOP has our backs.

                                          We know the Obama Dems have disdain & contempt for American soldiers.

                                          We know Mitt nor Bush nor any other president has to offer up their sons

                                          to the slobbering Jackals in the DemocRAT party just to prove they're patriots.

                                          Save your spew Leftest Democrats We know you'd hide under a table & wet your pants if chit hit the fan.

                                          U R The real cowards much like your dumbo eared pres BO

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #11.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:54 AM EDT

                                          Love2troops, I don't think you have a clue. All the points you listed are taken from FOX talking points. We only have disdain for unnecessary wars and leaders who put us there. Now if they are also actively leading the charge, it makes it a little bit more palatable. That's why McCain does have some credibility, but not the other GOP chickenhawks.

                                          Of course your GOP leaders "have" your backs. That's all they see of you as they send you off to the battlefield. Do they take care of you when you come back? Look at the vet job bill they just blocked! And you know that the 47% that Romney so despised includes many of the vets?

                                          • 12 votes
                                          #11.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:50 AM EDT

                                          @Love2troops

                                          Prove the BULL SH!T you just posted.

                                          Your love for the GNOP just voted NO for a veterans bill that would help re-train veterans.

                                          So what type of love the GOP has for the vets? NONE AT ALL

                                          Do some research before you post on here because your azz WILL GET FACT CHECKED.

                                          • 11 votes
                                          #11.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:53 AM EDT

                                          love2troops the gop has never had the military members backs. i know i served, they always cut benefits while giving haliburton money for stuff we never recieve. why the heck did states like vermont have to do fund drives for body armor and humvee armor, when hali recieved money to deliver said items. we never got the stuff paid for by our govt to hali. civilians had to do fund drives so we could get what we needed.

                                          stop living in your bubble and start looking at the facts. you will be shocked!

                                          • 11 votes
                                          #11.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:27 AM EDT

                                          As far as I know, James Madison is the only sitting president to have lead troops into battle. (He lost the battle but not his life.) Many more lead troops into battle then went on to become president.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #11.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:48 AM EDT

                                          AF-Now if Romney promises that one or more of his sons would be joining in any war he would be starting, then he'll have some credibility.

                                          Hell will freeze over first.

                                          A vote for Romney,is a vote for war.

                                          A vote for Obama,is a vote against war.

                                          The choice for Americans is clear.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #11.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

                                          Hate2troops-It cracks me up when the Leftest Anti Military Obama Democrats call for Mitts sons to go serve...

                                          Yeah,I'm sure they get a good belly laugh out of that too.

                                          Harry Truman,John Kennedy,Jimmy Carter all ex-military Democratic Presidents. Joe Biden the Vice President,his son served in Iraq.

                                          The two Presidents that led us to victory in WW1 and WW2,both Democrats.

                                          These constant Republican attempts to claim they are the only supporters of the military are ridiculous. No party supports our troops more than the Democratic Party. The difference between the parties is,the Republicans lust to get our troops into war.While the Democrats only want to risk our soldiers lives when we have to.

                                          The choice is clear.

                                          If Americans want another war vote Romney.

                                          If Americans don't want another war vote Obama.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #11.10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

                                          Right on, Uncle Bob!!!!!!

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #11.11 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:53 PM EDT
                                          Reply

                                          What the $*%*&#, how many countries are we gonna save? invade? interfere? does he also own a company that makes war toys?

                                          • 28 votes
                                          Reply#12 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:16 AM EDT

                                          Considering that most of his offshore investments are hidden behind many layers of rather secretive foreign banking regulations...

                                          We'll never really know...

                                          • 25 votes
                                          #12.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:22 AM EDT

                                          I bet Romney would never declare war on the Cayman Islands, or Switzerland, and maybe even China.

                                          • 23 votes
                                          #12.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:29 AM EDT

                                          I think Romney should declare war on The Cayman Islands

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #12.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:55 AM EDT

                                          I'm all for using US troops to liberate foreign banks........

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #12.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:40 AM EDT
                                          Reply

                                          Let's de-fund PBS and build more bombs. That should work well.

                                          This is the same old dull lifeless ideas of the ego-mind in search of more power and control. It can only come from a closed mind which is incapable of knowing truth. The GOP appears to be de-evolving more each day with the likes of Akin, West and other luminaries.

                                          • 28 votes
                                          Reply#13 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:21 AM EDT

                                          President Obama got Osama, now Romney wants get Big Bird really bad. He said so right on stage, kind of rude to Jim Lerer, though, but that poor bastard is among the 47%, that Myth cares nothing about, now!!!

                                          • 15 votes
                                          #13.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:05 AM EDT

                                          Barlow...post # 13.1 Obama did more to save BIG BIRD than he did to protect A. Stevens

                                          Big Bird Lives .............A. Stevens is D E A D (with 3 other patriots)

                                          Obama was so indifferent to their plight he left them there to be slaughtered ON 9-11....

                                          besides BO is trying to protect his Gravy Train decedent lifestyle Gig at the WH (on the backs of tax payers)

                                          and you try to make some kind of moral equivalency?

                                          Big Bird = Obama will save you

                                          Americans like A. Stevens = Obama will leave you to D I E &

                                          go on the Letterman show for a few laughs... Yeah BO is a real hero - He has his thumb sucking finger on the life or death issues.. & U Leftest Democrats defend this egomaniac?

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #13.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:06 AM EDT

                                          @Love2troops

                                          You are a paid troll

                                          Go post on FUX UP NOISE.

                                          Ignor

                                          • 9 votes
                                          #13.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:56 AM EDT

                                          This article comes as know surprise to me. I won't be surprised when Mitt changes his stance next week, or when he changes it again the week after. Going to war is not the smartest move he can make. Violence only begets more violence. How can anyone not know that lives will be lost if we go to war. Romney is the wrong choice for this country.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #13.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:48 PM EDT
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                                          Typical right wing thinking lets go fight in Syria, let's go send more of our men to their deaths.

                                          Tell you what Romney send your boys first, lets see how much you really care about Syria. You are a lying, heartless opportunist and do not deserve to be dog catcher, ask Samus. What you are is a Creep!

                                          Obama/Biden-2012

                                          • 35 votes
                                          Reply#14 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:23 AM EDT

                                          Comon, Romney's kids will never fight, I don't even think they would get close enough to hear the sound of guns fired in anger.

                                          • 13 votes
                                          #14.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 5:58 AM EDT

                                          GoawwayObbama

                                          Why are you Obbama lovers saying Teabagger. Get it right. It is TeaParty

                                          We have it correct. The Teabaggers are the elite corp of the Teaparty whom interfaces with the current Republican Party. They are not conspicuous at times, nor generally visable to the untrained eyes. They are instructed and trained to take a rather low profile, behind the scenes on their knees.

                                          • 9 votes
                                          #14.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:26 AM EDT
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                                          People always bring up Clinton, well Clinton did not support the war in Vietnam...

                                          Romney on the other hand did support the war in Vietnam, there are pictures of him at a counter protest,

                                          carrying his little sign, he supported the war so much, that he went to France and lived in luxury!

                                          He is a chickenhawk that loves to support the war machine, which is Corporations that make 100's of millions, if not billions like Halliburton etc.

                                          He agrees with Obama's policies one day, than later criticizes them, the same ole flip-flopper! He says things than later the campaign walks them back, or maybe he gets the phone call that says, that's not the GOP/bagger stand, so change it, pretend you never said it. And he says no problem, been doing that my whole political career!

                                          Mitt the twit/Lyin Ryan 1040

                                          • 31 votes
                                          Reply#15 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:23 AM EDT

                                          Does anyone notice, or is it just me? We have been listening to Mr. Romney,

                                          all about his grandiose plans to "encourage" Military spending? Of COURSE he

                                          willl. First of all, in all the campaigning he has done, all the phone calls, to get

                                          a feel for WHAT is most important to the American people, to "feel us out" in order

                                          to speak to what HE thinks concerns us most, and then he does the "typical" "CEO"

                                          thing.....he focuses on a few of the things we WANT, but because we are not "unionized"

                                          he leaves many things off the table (subject to negotiation?)

                                          Since WHEN do we elect a President who TELLS US WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO

                                          either in Foreign Policy, The Economy, our Healthcare, our Social Security, Medicare, IRA's,

                                          401K's?? This Country doesn't need a CEO, whose mentality will never allow him to be

                                          a public Servant who cares about ALL the citizens of this Country. He is used to being

                                          the EMPLOY ER, not the Employee, and he will say anything to get into the White House.

                                          Wouldn't it be comical if, with all his money, and all his backing, he couldn't BUY the

                                          Presidency. If we were truly focusing on improvement in this Country, we would

                                          start getting rid of "dead wood", like Frank and Dodd, and all those who have been

                                          in Congress longer than 8 yrs, so we can put people in, who truly represent the citizens

                                          of the U.S.A and not special interest groups, like those who manufacture Military equipment.

                                          Sure Mitt Romney would like us to get involved in Syria, it means there would be "manufacturing jobs,

                                          and so it goes with the Republican agenda.....War and Wealth is their first priority, even if it shoves

                                          our Country into a ravine of financial collapse we may never recover from.

                                          We have the power, to change the Congress, make certain it is equally balanced, so that

                                          no one party has more power than the other, and then, let's see how they REPRESENT

                                          what we want for our Country? Based on their voting record, if they are not performing

                                          at the end of 4 years, they should be given a pink slip, and force out.

                                          Pay raises? Not for the next 4 years for them. They need to be enrolled in the same

                                          healthcare plan the average citizen must use. No pensions, they need to cntinue paying

                                          into Social Security and medicare, and while we are at it, perhaps President Obama, needs

                                          to tweak his "transparency" regulation, and call for a complete Audit, on whoever has

                                          been managing Social Security/from our wages, for the last 65 years? Would really

                                          be embarrassing, if it turned out that wars were paid for, with our Social Security, or

                                          discovered that it was squandered, by past Presidents, and on whose "Watch" was it

                                          spent most? Now THAT would be a TV Show worth watching. Don't let Nov. 6th go

                                          by, without letting your voice be heard, get out there and Vote and make it count.

                                          God Bless America

                                          • 11 votes
                                          #15.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:33 AM EDT

                                          Romney's grand design, brought to you by the them, the they of the Military-Industrial Complex, Big Banks , Big Oils, whats interesting to me now that the oil price has shot up because of controlled scarcity the price of gas that we are use to paying was about $2.50 a gal. five years ago, now it is more than $4.00 /gal. We accept this and get use to paying this, and all of a sudden they find a new 5 Billion Barrels in Ohio. Now they have more gas at 4.50 a gal. at the pump. They have saved us.

                                          Here is view by Hunter S Thompson: “It would be easy to say that we owe it all to the Bush family from Texas, but that would be too simplistic. They are only errand boys for the vengeful, bloodthirsty cartel of raving Jesus-freaks and super-rich money mongers who have ruled for at least the last 20 years, and arguably the last 200 years. They take orders well, and they don’t ask too many questions. The real power in America is held by a fast-emerging new Oligarchy of pimps and preachers who see no need for Democracy or fairness or even trees, except maybe the ones in their own yards, and they don’t mind admitting it. They worship money and power and death. Their ideal solution to all the nation’s problems would be another 100 Year War. Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear. Ho ho ho. Let’s not get carried away here. Freedom was yesterday in this country. Its value has been discontinued. The only freedom we truly crave today is freedom from Dumbness. Nothing else matters.

                                          Hunter S. Thompson

                                          • 16 votes
                                          #15.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:27 AM EDT

                                          Obama refuses to call the Fort Hood shootings a Terror attack..IT would hurt his Dishonest narrative...that OBL is dead and all is well.

                                          Never mind the Mideast being on Fire during the week of 9-11..

                                          All the survivors (Soldiers) of that shooting were disqualified from Government Benefits bc Obama called the attack "Work Place Violence"

                                          no worries....Obama still had plenty of Tax $ to buy his FREE Obama phones....

                                          As to the soldiers in America & Overseas who may need some LEGITIMATE Gov aide

                                          Obama has spoken to the plight of these American Soldiers & their families .....

                                          Obams answer STFU you're ruining my campaign U meaningless American Soldiers...

                                          I've got TV shows to go on ... I am "eye candy" after all....I am "cool" I am a "Rock Star"

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #15.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:16 AM EDT

                                          Maybe Romney can get the drug lords to pony up with some of the weapons Obummer's gang sent to them via "fast and furious"?

                                            #15.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:46 AM EDT

                                            All "Hate2troops" posts are lie's or half-truths at best. I'd think he would be ashamed of that.But then the teabaggers have shown throughout that they have no shame.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #15.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 5:30 PM EDT
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                                            Romney will say one thing and do another because he can't keep his lies straight! He is a true war loving republican, This is so money can be made for their 1% brothers at the cost of poor and middle class kids dying in war. If you let these people loose on the world we will be in a war where we all lose. Stop this madness and vote straight democrat! Just say no tea for me!!!!!

                                            • 26 votes
                                            Reply#17 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:28 AM EDT

                                            yeah that's right - vote straight democrat......... not an original thought amongst you.......... all like lemmings ready to jump off the cliff......... you don't care WHO is running ONLY that he is democrat....... the fact that Obama is protrayed as black and a democrat - that's all that matters............. good ideas be damned........... consensus building be damned....... meeting half way be damned......... all that matters is that a democrat gets elected............ as an American you are disgusting...........

                                            • 5 votes
                                            #17.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:56 AM EDT

                                            Boo who. You got that right, vote straight Demo this year. I was a Repub for over 30 years - what they became disgusts me, the party went to hell. So far right the Taliban is proud.

                                            • 23 votes
                                            #17.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:54 AM EDT

                                            Ummm disgusted, wasn't it Boehner who said 'we got 98% of what we wanted.' You call THAT meeting halfway?

                                            • 13 votes
                                            #17.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 4:14 AM EDT

                                            Felow Conservatives....

                                            U Do know that the Leftest BO Lemmings in here are the Michael Moore Occupy Wall Street bottom feeders who thrive in the DemocRAT party?

                                            They have no intrest in decency, honesty, ethics or basic morality, and least of all FACTS

                                            Why do you think they despise God? If their is a God their might be morality if their is morality they might have to reflect on themselves.

                                            I try to ignore them...& post to the DECENT people who read these at home.

                                            Inform them of the L I E S from the MSM .... As to BO Dems...its 100% useless to try & reason with them. IMHO

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                                            #17.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:25 AM EDT

                                            disgusted if you want change you need to vote straight independent and everyone that is not democratic or republican on the ticket. you want change then its time remove both the dems and reps out of office. both those parties need to go the way of the dinosaur! we need to get back to america first!

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #17.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

                                            love2troops i might not like michael moore, but i do agree with some points he made. why was there not an investigation made of the ceo's on wallstreet that got us in the original mess? why where people not sent to jail over what was done? why did our tax dollars go to bail out billionaires, instead of helping the average citizen in this country that their actions hurt? he did raise some rational questions that have yet to be answered to this day!

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #17.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:09 AM EDT

                                            why was there not an investigation made of the ceo's on wallstreet that got us in the original mess?

                                            In the good old days when you screwed up that bad, you fell on your sword.

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                                            #17.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:56 AM EDT

                                            Why doesn't a single conservative defend Romney instead of bashing Obama? This is an article about Romney and his indication he'd support arming Syrian rebels composed of Al'Queda and Hezbollah fations with weapons capable of bringing down aircraft. Address that.

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                                            #17.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:58 PM EDT

                                            Why doesn't a single conservative defend Romney instead of bashing Obama?

                                            I have the same question? I haven't read anything in defense of Romney saying that he's support the Syrian rebels. That is what this article is about. If you can't defend him why are you voting for him?

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                                            #17.9 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 9:03 AM EDT
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                                            Jesus really?

                                            MORE defense spending? Are you kidding me? "At levels of which the Pentagon has not requested". So you'll just throw more money we don't have to the war chest? All the while mentioning how PBS is killing this countries budget you throw more money at guns and tanks.

                                            While we have an unprecedented deficit you are constantly crying about, you would throw even more money at the war chest. If the American public thinks its such a great idea to dump social programs in favor of adding money to the war chest then we are truly hell bent on self destruction. The LAST thing we need is another meddling affair with ANY other country on the planet. Shut these fawking republicans the fu<k up and lock them in a closet would someone?

                                            • 31 votes
                                            Reply#18 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:29 AM EDT

                                            All the while mentioning how PBS is killing this countries budget you throw more money at guns and tanks.

                                            (sarcasm based on fact)

                                            That 10 million dollars could have paid for approximately 90 minutes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Screw Big Bird!

                                            (end sarcasm based on fact)

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #18.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:58 AM EDT

                                            PBS.. PUBLIC broadcasting... NOT GOVT. broadcasting.. The govt. shouldnt be paying for it.. If you want to watch it you give money to them and they can stay on the air.. It should not get Govt. money. Freedon isnt free.. You dont know, because you have lived where you never had to worry about your family being blown away.. If Obama cuts our military like he wants to we will be vunerable to all nations.. DONT BE STUPID

                                              #18.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:11 PM EDT

                                              twoann-If Obama cuts our military like he wants to we will be vunerable to all nations..

                                              Today the US spending on the military (you can bet its not on the soldiers either) is 41% of the whole planet earth's military spending.Several times more than China and Russia put together spend. Yet the Republicans want more spending on the military.Just like after WW2 America needs a " peace dividend " to recover from the last Republican wars we've been in. Romney's pushing for more wars may be the right choice for his fat-cat backers.But its the wrong choice for the American people.

                                              Obama/Biden 2012.

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                                              #18.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

                                              Yea.. You can take that voodoo hype crap and stick it Twoann.

                                              There are better uses of my money than bullets, wars and tanks.

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                                              #18.4 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 12:30 AM EDT

                                              If you want to watch it you give money to them and they can stay on the air..

                                              Government spending on PBS is only 5% of PBS's budget and a very small part of the American Budget. The Public supports PBS. The reason so many of us support Big Bird is that the bird is smarter than Romney. Big Birds job is quite safe.

                                              If Obama cuts our military like he wants to we will be vunerable to all nations.. DONT BE STUPID

                                              The entire enacted defense budget for 2012 was $933.3 billion. The mandatory spending part of the budget is $79.9 billions Dollar. The discretionary spending part is $689.4 billion dollars.

                                              As you just learned twoann, the military budget/defense budget can and should be cut. Discretionary spending goes into the pockets of the defense contractors or in simpler language into Corporate pockets.

                                              The proposed defense budget provides $525.4 billion in discretionary funding for the base Department of Defense budget, a decrease of 1 percent, or $5.1 billion, below the 2012 enacted level.

                                              Here, twoann, you see that Obama is attempting to cut 5.1 billion off from the pockets of corporations. There are no cuts to the actual military, the ones fighting on the ground; the ones protecting you and me.

                                              We will be vulnerable to no other country. Our forces will still be strong.

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                                              #18.5 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 9:32 AM EDT
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                                              He would equip the rebels – “who share our values” -- with heavy weapons to take out "tanks, helicopters and fighter jets," according to the remarks.

                                              This is the reason why Romney cannot become president. His simplistic view of world affairs is almost as laughable as his religion.

                                              • 29 votes
                                              Reply#19 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:29 AM EDT

                                              He would equip the rebels – “who share our values” -- with heavy weapons to take out "tanks, helicopters and fighter jets," according to the remarks.

                                              It is exactly that type of hyperbole that makes political zealots objects of ridicule; left or right.

                                              Why didn't the author of this article post the comments and then write a commentary? Oh, yeah - right, Americans are too freaking dumb to interpret anything above third grade level. "According to the remarks" should be changed to "according to MY INTERPRETATION of the remarks".

                                              The hypocrisy of the fifth column and the liberals that march in lockstep with them. Leading from behind has worked SO WELL, after all.

                                              Romney/Ryan 2012

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                                              #19.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:50 AM EDT

                                              Chris said it very well in short... except for the laughable part, there I would've substituted "scary".

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                                              #19.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:23 AM EDT

                                              I doubt there is a single rebel in Syria that "support our values". Does Egypt and Libya support our values? Of course not, why should they? They are not the USA.

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                                              #19.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:05 PM EDT
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                                              NO MORE WAR FOR US. VoMitt is another chicken hawk in the color of cheney. We have had enough. Cut the empire back, we are broke. VoMitt didn't serve and neither did his 'boys'. They know not the cost freedom, buried six feet in the ground.

                                              • 28 votes
                                              Reply#20 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:31 AM EDT

                                              YOU SIR are DISGUSTING. Wake UP - Obama DID NOT SERVE EITHER. And if you know the cost of freedom ...... this is how you display it with words like you wrote - **Mitt - you ought to have your mouth washed out........... disgusting American.........

                                              • 4 votes
                                              #20.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:02 AM EDT

                                              and who wants to buy more weapon systems and kill Big Bird? You SIR are a fool.

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                                              #20.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:19 AM EDT

                                              You are right, Disgusted. Obama DID NOT SERVE EITHER, he opposed the Iraq war from the very beginning. What did all the fighting in Iraq do for US, hundreds of thousands of America's military people killed and wounded besides generating hundreds of Billions of dollars for Dick Cheney's corporate friends in Halliburton, costing the U.S. taxpayer much, much, more. And what did we get out of the Iraq war besides all the used up body bags, oh, yes, Iran is using Iraqi air space to fly in Reinforcements and weapons for Assad's war machine in Syria. Boy, did we make out on that deal or what!!!

                                              • 14 votes
                                              #20.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:01 AM EDT

                                              Obama served 2 tours in Korea, 3 tours in VietNam and won two Congressional Medals of Honor, 3 Purple Hearts, a Silver Star with an oak leaf cluster, the French Legion of Honor and the British Victoria Cross. All this without ever leaving home...now that's an accomplishment.

                                                #20.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

                                                Hey Bagdadjoe-xxxxxxx Are you sure you're not Baghdad Bob??? You sure sound like Baghdad Bob...

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                                                #20.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

                                                Obama was born when there was a peacetime military and no draft. Romney came of age during the height of the Vietnam war and the draft. He avoided that draft by taking 3 educational deferments and spending 31 months as a Mormon missionary in France. There's a world of difference between choosing not to join when the military is voluntary and simply another option and taking every legal act you can to avoid your legal and moral obligation. Romney was a strong supporter of us being in Vietnam at that time. With 50,000 dead and hundreds of thousands with serious injuries whose son died or was maimed so Mitt could live?

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #20.6 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 7:05 PM EDT
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                                                And why would we need to have more military spending? Is having five times as large a military as China (our largest competitor) not sufficient? No, because the military-industrial complex can't make any more MONEY off of that. This is about big business only.

                                                • 22 votes
                                                Reply#21 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:32 AM EDT

                                                Actually China's military is 12 times as large as the USAs. Of course I could back this up with facts, but you didn't so neither shall I.

                                                  #21.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:07 PM EDT

                                                  WOW, Guitarma are you on drugs or what.. China has over a million men in their military.. You dont know what you are talking about and until you know the facts, get off of here and quit lying.. I hope if Obama cuts the military like he is gonna do that when we get visited by Iran that you are the first to be talked to.. Lets see what you say then.. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.. These men and woman go into the military on their own decisons.. there is not draft.. They believe in fighting for their freedom and the freedom of others..

                                                    #21.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:08 PM EDT

                                                    SIPRI-Yearbook 2012 – World's top 15 military spenders:

                                                    The US percentage of military spending in the world is 41%.

                                                    1. Russia and China COMBINED is,China 8.2 % and Russia 4.1%=12.3%.

                                                    2. Percentage of GDP spent on the military=US 4.7,China 2.0,Russia 3.9.

                                                    And the majority of the rest of the world's military spending is by allies of the US.

                                                    The Republican Bush years brought us to financial collapse,and now another Republican wants to BOOST military spending even more.They appeal to the basis no-nothing elements of our country.Trying to use those peoples ignorance to gain power. Like Santorum said of his own Republican Party "we will never be the party of the smart people". They are running a slick,snake oil salesman,this time.Don't let the appealing image they are showing on the outside surface,hide the evil below the surface. Say NO to another war.This time a Romney war,instead of a Bush war.

                                                    Now's the time for the smart people to vote Nov. 6th.

                                                    Don't let the Republican's tricks and lies work for them again. Don't let them destroy Americas future.

                                                    Obama/Biden 2012, if you love America.

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                                                    #21.3 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 6:25 PM EDT
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                                                    Wow, he bitches and complains about Egypt, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan, but out of the other face comes some sort of pledge/promise to start American military involvement in Syria, all the while pledging to cut spending and taxes. Didn't we learn anything from Dubya? You can't pay for a war while cutting incoming revenue, i.e. taxes, that's what got us in this position in the first place. Oh wait, I forgot, he's gonna cut the taxes of wealthy Americans, us working class types are just gonna have to take it on the chin again. What a Mitthead. Republiclowns are full of Mitt.

                                                    • 25 votes
                                                    Reply#22 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:34 AM EDT

                                                    Oh yes it is easy for Mitt to get into another war. He is not going his kids are not going. So he is going to this and that and teach the Syira a lesson not mess with America. I think Bush tried that. It did not work. America is tired of war! It young men and women coming home in bags, or no hands or no feet. But no Romney wants to tough. Well why don't all the people that want to be tough just sign up and go Afghanistan. That is why we don't vote for right wing Republican cowherds.

                                                    • 25 votes
                                                    Reply#23 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:34 AM EDT

                                                    You forget that it is a voluntary force, so your kids are probably not going either...

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #23.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:17 AM EDT

                                                    Mitt will reinstate the Draft, well of course except for Mormons and Jews.

                                                    • 8 votes
                                                    #23.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:46 AM EDT

                                                    Rule of Nines.........and rich men's sons will sit it out also !

                                                    • 7 votes
                                                    #23.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:10 AM EDT

                                                    Tammy-You forget that it is a voluntary force, so your kids are probably not going either...

                                                    The facts are,since the end of the draft the vast majority of kids going into the military belong to the 47% that Romney said he didn't need to worry about. With the draft,defending our country was a shared experience of all Americans. Have we forgotten already the stories of how hard it was to get enough troops for Iraq,the multiple tours,the mobilizing of the National Guard,Stop-Loss. All the kids coming home wounded and many that paid the ultimate price for Bush's war. I haven't forgotten those times.Now we have a Republican candidate,that if elected,heading us into another war.Profitable to the war profiteers that support him and OK to the chicken hawks.Those that they nor their children will be serving in. But for real Americans,a return to the Bush days is not what we want.To stop this war-monger from playing with our kids lives we need to get out and vote.

                                                    Obama/Biden,the right future for Americas kids.

                                                      #23.4 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

                                                      Romney's claim when asked how we'd balance the budget under his plan that one example is cutting PBS funding is like someone explaining to make up for a $50,000 loss of income the family needed to use 1 sheet of Charmin when wiping instead of 2. If he talked 20 years giving such examples he'd cover maybe half the deficit. I think Obama was expecting more than we'll make up for the 5 trillion tax cut and 2 trillion increased military by cutting out PBS's 10 mill.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #23.5 - Tue Oct 9, 2012 7:12 PM EDT
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                                                      good words Dynamited. Well said and true.

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                                                      Reply#24 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:36 AM EDT

                                                      Why aren't Willard's son in the military? Would he be so quick in putting our sons in harms way or spending our money if it was his? I would also like to say just a few minutes ago while watching a rerun of the Morning Joe, John McCain was on and said the President isn't capable of being our militaries Commander In Chief because he has no military experience. Does he support Romney?

                                                      • 21 votes
                                                      Reply#25 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:39 AM EDT

                                                      John McCain has lost all military credit with me since I found out about how his father sold all the sailors on the communication ship USS Liberty down the river. The Liberty was attacked in the Med in international waters by Israel's IDF. With 34 killed and 174 wounded on June 8, 1967. Johnson's government totally covered it up and Adm. McCain, a Navy man, and John's father, helped bury the incident and send the sailors into exile, within the United States. Next time you see John McCain about the USS Liberty, his father, and the fate of her sailors!!!

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                                                      #25.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:17 AM EDT

                                                      Het Barlow, what does McCain have to do with what his father did? McCain lost crrdit because his father did something? Your stupid is showing.

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                                                      #25.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:05 AM EDT

                                                      Did I miss something. What branch of service was Romney in? The last time the Mormons fought was to slaughter a non-mormon wagon train in Utah "in God's name".

                                                      • 11 votes
                                                      #25.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:13 AM EDT

                                                      The Mormons do not go into the military - check it out , they will admitt it. They are sending the "non" believers into battle to fight their holy war with their Jew Alies.

                                                      • 7 votes
                                                      #25.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

                                                      What a crock of s--t you are. There are boys in the LDS missionary training center who have signed contracts to join the military after they complete their misssionary tour.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #25.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                                                      9's:

                                                      Morons... err.. Mormons do go into the military. I served with a few during the last legitimate occupation of the middle east (aka Desert Storm/Desert Fox). They also get busted for sporting their magic underpants under their uniforms (white under-garments cannot be worn with Battle Dress Uniforms, sorry) and cry like little bitches about it.

                                                      Morons are a cult as much as Sciencefictionology. Jesus was never in north america, jews were never in north america. Fact does not match up with their marginally clever fiction, no matter how much they try. No gold tablets, no after-life of planets to rule as gods, no spirit-babies to populate these worlds with... though if Rmoney were ever to become a god, you better bet he'd rule Uranus.

                                                      • 6 votes
                                                      #25.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

                                                      Which one of your loved ones would you have Mitt Romney send to Syria or the Middle East given each of his five sons have chosen NOT to serve in the military...which is their right. But then if Daddy doesn want to put his profits in a bank in the United States and his sons don't want to serve in the U.S Military...why should we allow him to decide to send our sons to serve, lose a limb or a life in a war in Syria or anywhere else on this planet. His trust fund boys have lived off the bountiful grace of a father who so easily sent American jobs to China and invested in a business or two in China whose profitability depended on getting American jobs...which Mitt gave them and ran quickly to open his Swiss bank account and Cayman Island tax havens to hide all those millions of Chinese profit..This guy and his family sure love America...as long as America keeps on making them money.

                                                      • 5 votes
                                                      #25.7 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:50 AM EDT

                                                      Obama has to take the fall for what he has done in the middle east.. He has weakened our stance. Do you people realize that these people are willing to die, each and everyone to kill America.. That is their quest.. Obama wants to leave us wide open to be taken over. We can not with the way the world is today be a weak military. Do you know that Obama is getting money from China and the middle east for his campaign.. What do you think of that??? Quit lying about Romney sending all the businesses over to China.. Obama has sent more.. look at the facts.. Also, half of the Congress have overseas accts.. DONT be stupid.. You all need to look at the facts and not believe everything Obama says.. He doesnt even know what is going on in his own white house.. LOOK AT THE FACTS... Are any of you willing to fight for your country.. FREEDOM is not free. If war comes here, because we were weak and made our military smaller we would be wide open to be taken over.. Are you willing to have your family raped, killed, made slaves.. HUH.. This is real stuff that can happen now.. WAKE UP escuse me but Romney didnt make anyone go into the military.. it is each persons decision.. There is no draft.. EACH man and woman makes that decision.. So dont lie and say Romney will make your kids go in.

                                                        #25.8 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:04 PM EDT

                                                        This guy cannot help but stick his head up his butt in front of a microphone......Syria...are you nuts? When will these dumba-- politicians learn? The American people want money to be spent on Americans not on some war in that been waged for centuries like the other mess we are still paying for - Hey wake up!!!! You were my candidate but not now!!! What an idiot!

                                                        • 3 votes
                                                        #25.9 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

                                                        twoann:

                                                        If war comes here, don't worry - I've got your back. I did my time in the military, but I found things like Geneva Convention and UCMJ too restrictive.

                                                        The day enemy forces land on our soil is the last day we have living enemies.

                                                          #25.10 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:12 PM EDT
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                                                          That Reagan was one tough nut when those poor marines in Lebanon were blown up in their barracks and hundreds died. Reagan's solution was to withdraw and show them just how much of a wimp he really was.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          Reply#26 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:47 AM EDT

                                                          If faced with that situation today, Romney would analyze the situation with intelligence and maturity and come up with a decisive solution that best suits our national and global objectives.

                                                          As with the Gulf oil spill, Obama would dither 60 days and then send in a team of lawyers.

                                                          Second-guessing Reagan thirty years later is a waste of time.

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #26.1 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:04 AM EDT

                                                          Ummm... yeah... That's the ticket..

                                                          Just like in 1966 when willard analyzed the situation, with intelligence, and maturity, and then..

                                                          Ran to France,..

                                                          to stroll the avenues and boulevards of Paris, while thousands of his peers were doing some jungle walking in the 'Nam...

                                                          You nailed it !!! LOL!!!!

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                                                          #26.2 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:07 AM EDT

                                                          K1200RS: I see that you are posting on my thread. Don't bother. I read your posts for several months and didn't find a single one with true facts – or even mildly interesting lies. They were all just an irritating distraction from the meaningful posts. Consequently, you are on Ignore!

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #26.3 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:21 AM EDT

                                                          Kannin. Are you really that stupid? Really?

                                                          REPUBLICANS are the problem, not the solution.

                                                          • 6 votes
                                                          #26.4 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:31 AM EDT

                                                          People worship that guy like he was the 2nd coming of GOP messiah.

                                                          He ballooned the deficit.. yep we all felt good with that one also.

                                                          All the rest of the stuff - tearing down of the Kremlin wall -- was just luck. The German people did the hard and brave work. No thanks to RR.

                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          #26.5 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 2:42 AM EDT

                                                          Funny how the republicans have amnesia about Reagan when he high-tailed it out of Lebanon after hundreds of Marines were killed with a bombing on their barracks.

                                                          Romney is an idiot and he's stating now that he'd put troops in Syria to satisfy his donors, increase military spending 2 TRILLION more than requested ... Halliburton and Cheney war profiteers need to make their money and they OWN Romney.... why do you think all Romney foreign advisors are ex-Bush war puppets.

                                                          Romney supported (protested for) the Vietnam war. Romney supported (protested for) the Vietnam draft. But Romney ran his ass to France, playing on the beach when our young men were being drafted and dying in said Vietnam war...

                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          #26.6 - Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:12 AM EDT
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