Obama accuses Romney of shifting positions

Two days after what was widely considered a subpar debate performance, President Barack Obama continued his mission of convincing voters that Mitt Romney did a 180-degree shift to more moderate policies during Wednesday’s debate.

“My opponent, he's doing a lot of -- a little tap dance at the debate the other night, trying to wiggle out of stuff he's been saying for a year,” Obama said, battling driving rain at an outdoor field in Cleveland, as 9,000 supporters looked on.

The president threw in a few references to popular reality TV shows (which just happen to be popular with some key demographics, young people and women) as he ridiculed what he called Romney’s political maneuverings: “It was like ‘Dancing with the Stars,’ or maybe it was ‘Extreme Makeover, Debate Edition.’”

Seeking to underscore what he says was his opponent’s dishonesty in the debate, Obama continued, “No matter what he says, my opponent, he's a big believer in these top-down economics.”

The Romney campaign responded to Obama's criticisms with a statement from campaign spokesperson Amanda Henneberg, which read in part, "The President can’t defend his record of failure on jobs and the economy so he has to lie about Mitt Romney’s pro-growth economic policies." 

The president drove that message home earlier Friday at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va., noting with a touch of sarcasm that Romney said he wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone -- including corporations and the wealthy.

“He said there’s no way that he’d close the loophole that gives big oil companies billions each year in corporate welfare. Ending tax breaks for corporations that move jobs and profits overseas? He’d never heard of such a thing. Who knew? Who knew?"

And Big Bird, the new symbol for what Democrats call overzealous Republican budget cutting, also figured heavily into both of Obama’s campaign events.

“He said he'd go after funding for public television. So for all you moms and kids out there, don't worry. Somebody's finally getting tough on Big Bird!” he exclaimed in Cleveland.

“You want me to save Big Bird?” he asked as the crowd laughed.

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That is Romney is know as, Willard Flip Romney.

  • 21 votes
#1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

Looking at the comments on the business sites today I think these unemployment figures are going to come back and bite Obama. Basically people and pundits are looking at 114K jobs created and do not see how that translates into a.3% drop in the rate.

It simply doesn't pass the smell test.

I don't mean they think its corrupt or being fudged, its simply been written off as a anomaly and not part of a positive trend.

The median estimate of 92 economists surveyed by Bloomberg called for U.S. payrolls to increase by 115,000. Revisions to July and August added a total of 86,000 jobs to payrolls in those months.

The unemployment rate, derived from a separate survey of households, was forecast to rise to 8.2 percent, according to the survey median. Estimates ranged from 8 percent to 8.3 percent.

So economists basically called the jobs number dead on but the unemployment rate went down. Too cute by half.

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

Job1 - Romney shifting positions is the one constant in his campaign. Actually, it's the only constant in his campaign!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 24 votes
#1.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:48 PM EDT

Alan NJ - You are fogetting the additional 386,000 jobs that were found via the annual audit from over the past year that was added to the final total for a total of 586,000 - which certainly help to reduce it to 7.8% sorry the numbers don't lie even though Romney does.

  • 22 votes
#1.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

Obama accuses Romney of shifting positions

this headline is making it sound like this is a new thing. Romney's been shifting positions since 1994

  • 21 votes
#1.4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

Alan, NJ

It simply doesn't pass the smell test.

we know why Romney is your guy. He, too, doesn't let fact checkers get in his way.

  • 19 votes
#1.5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:03 PM EDT

More blame from Obama? Please, just give it up Obama, nobody likes a cry baby...

  • 7 votes
#1.6 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

Cry baby?

Mitt dug the hole. When you start making stuff up, somebody's going to call you on it. That's not being a cry baby.

  • 15 votes
#1.7 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:18 PM EDT

We the Obama Supporters should put on human-sized flip-flop to Romney's campaign rallies - chasing down Mitt the Twit.

  • 12 votes
#1.8 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

Obamas claims were just as fictitious as Romneys, check the fact checker.

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:27 PM EDT

Sure and Obama has Shift his promises. Evolves and Evolves.

If the second debate is a draw then for sure is bye bye Obama. The best thing that happen on the first is that millions got to see that Romney is not the monster that has been pained by the wacko Liberals.

He is not stupid either, however our President looked like he was high on something and it was not the altitude.

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

Romney's not a monster, just his ideas for policy.

I agree Mitt made some ground with viewers who didn't know him--that he's not a monster, but that doesn't change what he stands for--putting government in your bedroom and doctors office, and taking away funding for Big Bird. The monster is just underneath--the most dangerous kind of monster.

Bye bye Obama with a tie in the second debate? Who's dreaming now?

  • 10 votes
#1.11 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

When all is said and done about "debate" #1, the fact remains that Romney hasn't done $hit except run his yap about what he's going to do. When it comes to how he going to get it done, well, that's another song for another time. Elect me and I might let you see how big the pig is in the poke you just bought. But I will never let you see my tax returns. Those would be an embarrassment as to just how big a liar I am! Any one for tea?

  • 12 votes
#1.12 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

Concerned.....

Most skilled liars are anything but stupid. The people the fall for their lies are the stupid ones.

  • 8 votes
#1.13 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:43 PM EDT

Barack Hussein Obama was FOR gay marriage before he was AGAINST it, before he was FOR IT again ... and this is the guy accusing Romney of changing positions ? LOL !

Obama as Senator once said no President should enter the U.S. into a war where our national security interests were NOT AT RISK without Congressional approval.... but then, as President he authorizes a $1 billion dollar attack on Libya with Cruise missiles ... a weak Libya that at that time was NO THREAT to our national security interests .... WITHOUT Congressional approval ?? Then, of course, our Libyan envoy is murdered by Al Qaeda forces in Libya and Obama blames it on an anti-Mohammed film !

  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

nice to see Obama on the attack again, gotta love that teleprompter

  • 7 votes
#1.15 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

Romney has more faces than a clock factory.

  • 10 votes
#1.16 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:22 PM EDT

michigan - and it's okay that Romney and Ryan use teleprompters? 'Cause they do!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 10 votes
#1.17 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:26 PM EDT

You really can't blame Republicans for supporting Romney's waffling, they're just being frugal. With Romney they get a lot of different candidates for the price of one.

And Michigan, it is nice to see Obama on the attack again. I can't stand watching Romney get away with his obvious falsehoods that have been disproven over and over.

  • 12 votes
#1.18 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:30 PM EDT

Reasons to fear Willard Romney. Williard believes when he dies,because he is a baptised Morman he will become a God! So no matter what he does or says he will simply have to say he is sorry to God
when he dies to become a God.

He Believs Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321)"God himself was once
as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!!

God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428)


After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them," (D&C 132:20).

There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).

God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children.(Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).

Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

"ChristNot Begotten of Holy Ghost ...Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Smith, 1954, 1:18).

If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).

"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God;(Miracle of Forgiveness p. 206).

Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188

"As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel,'" (Articles of Faith, p.79). Another words Man forgives you.

"Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a monster," (Joseph Smith, Teachings, p. 372).

Do want a person who believes he is God to be President.

Taken from Christain Apologentics & Research Ministry carm.org

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:34 PM EDT

If all you have is to call the man a liar you do not have much.

Tell us the lie, when he said it and why it is a lie.

For you who say he just talks and says nothing about how he is going to accomplish his goals you just have not been paying attention especially during the debate.

Obama has failed America. He does not deserve another term.

  • 4 votes
#1.20 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:29 PM EDT

Tell us the lie, when he said it and why it is a lie.

That he can add two trillion dollars in military expenditures, give the wealthy a 20% tax break and pay for it by eliminating some deductions, without raising the middle class' taxes. It is not even credible at the surface, never mind the numerous fact checkers who have shot this down.

When he stood by his remarks about the 47%, and then denounced them. I guess some would call that having it both ways, but it pretty much amounts to a lie.

But his biggest sin is signing Norquist's pledge. An elected official has one pledge, their oath of office, and the pledge is to the USA, not some rich a-hole.

  • 6 votes
#1.21 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:43 PM EDT

I guess that Romney was not the Romney that the President invented. What happened to the fiscally conservative Senator Obama who ran for President? He is the one who said that deficit spending showed a lack of leadership.

  • 1 vote
#1.22 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 12:25 AM EDT

What happened to the fiscally conservative Senator Obama who ran for President?

He got Bush Whacked by the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression like the rest of us. And amazingly, unemployment is lower now than when he took office, in just four short years.

  • 4 votes
#1.23 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 9:28 AM EDT

Obama can not be trusted.You on the left have not heard the truth in ears so you do not recognize it. I will keep it simple for you. Romney is a leader. Obama is not. That's why Obama got schooled in the debate and took a weaker form. He knew he was beat. He knew his talking points could not stand. He was out of his league. Same reason he has no pull with foreign leaders. No one respects him. He is all talk and wants to write a check for everything.

    #1.24 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 10:50 AM EDT

    Same reason he has no pull with foreign leaders. No one respects him. He is all talk

    Really? Tell that to bin Laden and al-Awlaki.

    • 6 votes
    #1.25 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 11:27 AM EDT

    rukidding47 - So do you think any world leader will trust anything that Romney says? His campaign managers have to follow him and correct what he tells 60 million people. It happened during the debate and the 60 minute interview. So you either have to admit he lied or has himself completely fooled on where he stands.

    He could quite all the naysayers by simply describing how his plans would even be possible. He could also release his tax returns to gain some credibility. As it is now, he is depending on the gullible to get elected.

    • 3 votes
    #1.26 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 12:23 PM EDT

    Republicans abandoned policy in favor of propaganda -- becoming completely irrelevant to actual governance and instead concentrating solely on their own political survival.
    Ironically, their propaganda has been too successful. A generation of pervasive and increasingly deceptive right-wing propaganda has made the Republican base, i.e., the Tea Party, so simultaneously dis informed (due to their self-restriction to right-wing propaganda sources) and so radically absolutist as to become politically incoherent. Faced with the prospect of defending the indefensible, the Republican Party has instead pursued their only possible strategy for victory: Democratic voter suppression and election theft.

    • 6 votes
    #1.27 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 9:49 PM EDT

    We are in the second worst,great Depression/Recession in modern American history.Both brought on by a Republican Administration's policies.And having to be cleaned up by Democrats. The first Depression from 1929,wasn't fully overcome until around 1939-1940. The lessons learned then are one reason President Obama has made so much progress with bringing the economy back. But we still have a ways to go. We would have had more progress if the "Republican Party of No",had helped instead of hindering Americas renewal. Thankfully,for the millions suffering from this Recession we have some social programs to cushion at least some of the pain of our people. Programs that the Republicans have always opposed and if they could would destroy. They would like to return our country to the bad days in the past that had no protection in cases of disaster like Recessions. I found a recounting of a Recession we suffered similar to today's when the ideas of the Republicans were government policy. The Republican ideal here: "The effects of the recession which began in 1893, and which continued through 1896, ruined many Americans. Contemporary estimates were from 1–3 million unemployed—if the higher figure was correct, nearly a quarter of the labor force. The task of relieving them fell to churches and other charities, as well as to labor unions. Farmers went bankrupt; their farms were sold to pay their debts. Some of the impoverished died of disease or starvation, others killed themselves." I never hope to see these type's of Republican ideas return.

    • 2 votes
    #1.28 - Sun Oct 7, 2012 5:55 AM EDT

    So sad to see that Mr. Obama is going to continue to lie just to try and make himself look, ah, good? Not happening. He doesn't look good today and I'm sure he want look good tomorrow in my household.

    As for BigBird, he brings in 65 million a year, he doesn't need to be receiving government money.

    • 1 vote
    #1.29 - Sun Oct 7, 2012 6:36 AM EDT

    I truly believe that the president (On purpose) allowed Romney to hang himself in the last debate... So that now in the next debate Romney will have to answer to all of his flip flopping...

    This president is no fool!

      #1.30 - Sun Oct 7, 2012 11:52 AM EDT

      Actually, the outpouring of support for President Obama seems to have increased since the debate. Romney came across as a desperate bully, and who can blame the President for being taken off guard by the GOP Chameleon? More than half the nation was left scratching their heads wondering how any true American with integrity could stand in front of the nation and say things like "I will not cut education" when he has stated all along he was cutting Pell Grants for college students. And saying 47% of Americans are freeloaders one day, and then saying the next day, he was "completely wrong." Kind of like the thief that is sorry he was caught but not sorry that he stole.

      As a former Republican, I had some respect for Mr. Romney up until the debate. But, any person that would intentionally put his own selfish interests ahead of the best interests of the American people, is unqualified to hold political office.

      A vote for Romney is a vote for four more years of Bush and Cheney.

      • 1 vote
      #1.31 - Sun Oct 7, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

      Scott...

      Romney admitted he was wrong about his 47% comment. What makes this a lie? It takes a real man to admit he was wrong about something. You are not much of a man to call this a lie.

      What evidence do you have that Romney signed a pledge with Grover Norquist whoever that might be?

      Your lie about Romney's tax plan is just that a lie. He called Obama out on this and all Obama could do is hang his head in shame.

      Hang your head in shame Scott, you are not a man but a liar.

        #1.32 - Sun Oct 7, 2012 9:37 PM EDT

        You're right, old fat guy,

        I would not call what Romney said about the 47% of Americans a lie because it was obvious that Mr. Romney meant it when he said it. And of course, he still believes it, so the admission it was wrong was a lie, but he had to say something to smooth it over after he was caught on camera saying it with such enthusiasm and conviction.

        The thing that really got to me was the fact that while Romney was telling those folks at the $50,000 a plate dinner that 47% of Americans were freeloaders that wanted hand-outs, part of that 47% were right in the same room with him serving Romney and his champagne drinking buddies their meals and refreshing their wine glasses!

        Wow, talk about lack of compassion! It did not even occur to him that those servers were people that were part of that 47%. They were insignificant in his eyes.

          #1.33 - Sun Oct 7, 2012 9:44 PM EDT
          Reply

          It is a fact that MItt flip and flops on every issue....we've seen it over and over again.

          Now Mitt is saying his 47% statement was wrong....after doubling down on it right after the tape surfaced.

          • 20 votes
          Reply#2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

          "I was totally wrong" after explaining that it was just "indelicately" stated. sheesh. Now that he's seen some light, he's flipping backwards to see what he can make up for.

          Of course, he's probably realizing now that all the right wing lines he's been toeing are washing away. They'll let him say anything now.

          1) If they let him be slightly moderate all along, he probably would have won this thing handily,

          2) Now he's just looking like even more of a flip-flopping idiot.

          • 14 votes
          #2.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

          It was totally wrong.....

          If it was totally wrong, why did he say it in the first place? As Mitt offered his opinion as fact he cited nothing objective. His opinion was formed through years of feeling superior and entitled.

          Self righteous, superior and entitled.... every thing a guy needs to justify holding another down as you strip him of his individuality "for his own good".

          A Bully. The perfect Tea Party candidate.

          • 8 votes
          #2.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:52 PM EDT
          Reply

          ‘Extreme Makeover, Debate Edition.’”

          Love that line! And so true!!!! I'm sure we'll get yet another version of Mitt soon! I wonder how much they actually cost .... Adelson? Koch bros???? What does it cost to upgrade your candidate????

          Obama/Biden 2012

          • 19 votes
          Reply#3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

          Look out Elmo, their coming for you too... lol

          • 18 votes
          #3.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

          Not Elmo! He's my personal fav!!!! :)

          • 14 votes
          #3.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:03 PM EDT

          Mine too!

          "Elmo, you better make a run for it," Obama said.

          • 10 votes
          #3.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

          Right.....after whining that Oil only gets "a few $billion", that the pittance PBS gets should be zero'd out. "No, I'm not a nut job" (these are just the priorities of a nut job)

          • 10 votes
          #3.4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

          And according to Al Gore, Obama suffered from "climate change" in Denver.

          • 4 votes
          #3.5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

          It's sad if you are actually a common American... Weak snarky mockery a-la George Costanza is part of this country's problem, not a solution.

          • 10 votes
          #3.6 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:48 PM EDT

          ooh ooh Sesame Street talk. Me wanna, me wanna too!

          la La la La, la La la La, it's Romney's World.

          la La la La, la La la La, it's Romney's World.

          He'll sh!tcan Big Bi i i rd, and Snuffy too.

          I i i i it's Romney's W o o o orld!

          • 2 votes
          #3.7 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

          It's funny, people always want to cut the deficit by cutting useless programs... until you name specific things that should be cut. (like PBS)

          • 3 votes
          #3.8 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

          It's kind of funny to me that all of the sudden, because Mr. Romney wants to get rid of P.B.S., it has become a left wing propaganda channel to all of you on the right. Since when? All that I have EVER taken away from Sesame Street or any other of those programs is the message of friendship for and cooperation with your fellow man, and I firmly believe that that is a message WORTH PRESERVING!

          • 8 votes
          #3.9 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:08 PM EDT

          until you name specific things that should be cut. (like PBS)

          Right, because anything to do with education is not a good thing. After all Romney and company doesn't want educated people supporting them. They'll figure out how he intends to roger them if elected.

          • 5 votes
          #3.10 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:23 PM EDT

          So the President is complaining that the Romney that the President has invented is not the Romney that he debated. Well what happened to the Obama who was campaigning four years ago for President? I am talking about the fiscally conservative Obama who was going to solve all of our economic problems with his hope and change. He is the Senator Obama who in 2006 said:

          And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

          Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead,interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

          Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

          ~ Senator B. H. Obama, March 2006

          • 1 vote
          #3.11 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 12:43 AM EDT

          Romney flips and flops like a fish out of water. When off camera, he declares he doesn't care about 47% of the country. But then later in an on camera interview says he picked the wrong words. Lol Nope. We heard how he really feels. And he's still lying. If he has some great plan up his sleeve to save the economy and not wreck the middle class then let's here it now. What secret loopholes does he know about none of us do and why doesn't he know the one's Obama does, like a tax on companies that outsource? "Elect me and I'll tell you." Anyone who follows that leader is a fool. I don't like his plain disrespect for females. What's his plan instead of the Lily Lebetter Act? A Secret? Anti-Rape act? A Secret? Doesn't giver a damn? I can understand the need for the secret. A man with that man secrets can't be trusted.

          I'm not a big fan of Obama but if you're going to quote the guy, give the entire quote.

          In an April 15, 2011, interview, Obama said he regrets his position in 2006.

          "I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a president," Obama said. "When you're a senator, traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit -- for the United States by a trillion dollars. As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I'm the first one to acknowledge it."

          Regarding raising the debt ceiling.

          Reagan - 18 times

          H.W. 5 times

          Clinton - 3 times

          Dubya - 7 times

          Obama - 3 times

          Arithmetic.

          Repubs 30 Dems 6

          Which potus puts us in the hole? Repubs. Which digs us out? Dems. I don't say it. History and math do.

          • 5 votes
          #3.12 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

          Romney made much of Obama getting donations from green energy companies but never mentioned the hundreds of millions he and republicans have received from big oil, gas, wallstreet and coal companies in direct contributions and PAC support. If Exxon wanted to publish a wish list of what it wanted from government all they'd have to do is publish the republican platform. 20% tax cut for corporate big wigs, check, 30% reduction in corporate tax rates, check, Opening up federal lands for exploration, check. reducing or eliminating many regulations, check. If Romney's elected christmas will come for big oil, gas, coal and wallstreet on Nov. 6th.

          • 1 vote
          #3.13 - Sun Oct 7, 2012 6:47 PM EDT
          Reply

          So Romney is shifting positions? In other breaking news, water is wet and the surface of the sun is hot!

          • 20 votes
          Reply#4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

          Now, hang on a minute, Al. Romney has consistently refused to release his tax returns. I'm amazed he released the small amount he did. Going back to the 90s, he has refused to release them. When he wanted to run for Mass gov, he refused to release them when the Boston Globe said that all they wanted to see was his residency. "Trust me" and "you'll have to take my word for it" were the phrases he used to get out of showing if he was eligible to run for gov. The Globe even said that he could completely react all the financial stuff. Nope, Romney was not going for it. Finally, he amended his returns to show that he had paid in MA the whole time and that the primary residence issue in UT was not his fault.

          So, in some ways, he is very consistent. He's consistently dishonest.

          • 10 votes
          #4.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:25 PM EDT
          Reply

          Keep throwing it.

          Maybe it will stick.

          It is all you have after all.

          • 7 votes
          Reply#5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

          RUKidding - if Obama doesn't like something, he pushes blame on someone else. Typical crybaby tactic!

          • 6 votes
          #5.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

          Yeah, he doesn't like Romney making a flip-flopping idiot of himself. That's what he's whining about. (I'd call it laughing)

          • 11 votes
          #5.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

          fact Check: 27 Pinocchio's in 38 minutes, bingo Romney won!

          Obama 2012

          • 12 votes
          #5.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

          Obama has changed positions so many times he could be the poster boy for WAFFLE HOUSE !

          How many times has Obama changed his position on gay marriage ?

          How many times has Obama changed his position on running up the debt and borrowing which would harm future generations ??

          • 4 votes
          #5.4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:10 PM EDT

          Jim: once on each, by my count.

          • 1 vote
          #5.5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:14 PM EDT
          Reply

          Unbelievable here's a man born and raised in a Morman Church of the Latter Day Saints that will "Lie if he were sitting in "Jesus' Lap" How desperate can he be?

          • 19 votes
          Reply#6 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

          It is sad that Willard is so darn good at lying. I wonder if his family is ashamed of him?

          • 13 votes
          #6.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:50 PM EDT

          Sandie,

          Let's not forget the Catholic deer-hunter Lyin Ryan!

          Phonies like these two are part of the reason I'm an athiest!

          • 14 votes
          #6.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

          Apparently not desperate enough to ask W for an endorsement! Oh, I'm sorry, we shouldn't talk about W cause that is blaming someone else. Wherein that someone else is exactly to blame!!!!

          • 8 votes
          #6.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

          Phonies like these two are part of the reason I'm an athiest!

          Amen, er I mean hell yeah to that! I figured that one out when I was 8 years old in Catholic school. The nuns who taught us, who btw were the most abusive educators on the planet, told me that one mortal sin would sentence me to hell, convinced me that what they were saying was most likely bullsh!t. I mean, how do they or anyone know that? No thanks, I stick to scientific certainties.

          • 3 votes
          #6.4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:55 PM EDT

          You think Willard lies....just wait till "CUP CAKE" and Joe go at it !

          • 3 votes
          #6.5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:37 PM EDT

          You think Willard lies....just wait till "CUP CAKE" and Joe go at it !

          I have a feeling Joe will take off the gloves and give this punk an a$$ whipping like he's never had. It will be Bentsen and Quayle all over again.

          • 4 votes
          #6.6 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 11:33 PM EDT
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          So what else is new? Romney has switched positions more than a weather vane in the shifting winds. Obama should have pointed that out at the debate and attacked. Instead he played Mr. Nice Guy.

          I would have expected Obama to have said something like Reagan did against Carter...."There you go again" point out the flip flop and move on. Hopefully he will be more agressive next time.

          • 13 votes
          Reply#7 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 4:48 PM EDT

          Hit it right on: "there you go again!" That would have been perfect!

          I agree, Obama's only fault Wednesday was playing defense, and being too presidential.

          I'm sure he's learned his lesson so next time the show will be different. I won'der what Romney will do to surprise him??? Flip again?

          • 8 votes
          #7.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

          Really I was hoping he would show up and explain his dismal record again.

          • 2 votes
          #7.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:13 PM EDT
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          Why should today be any different from the past year. Down right gloom and doom from the republicans re. job numbers, instead of being grateful that 114,000 Americans found work, the bobble heads are exploding in the usual, can't be it's a conspiracy, cooking the books mode. Jack Welch, GE fame, weren't they the ones that paid zero taxes last year or so. Another corporate enabler stealing from the American people, don't you just love these guys.

          Obama 2012

          • 8 votes
          Reply#8 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

          Romney shifting positions?? Say it ain't so!!

          • 9 votes
          Reply#9 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

          The inveterate liar doing what he does best.

          • 9 votes
          #9.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:13 PM EDT
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          Nothing new, for the last 20 years of so I've watched the presidential races and all candidates seem to start out on the fringe and work their way to the center just before the election. Once the get elected, they find that they are almost powerless to change anything because the house and senate don't want change.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#10 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

          Obama's going to lose becuase he wouldn't move to the middle.

          A far left Obama doctrine is a death trap for the American economy (despite the slender straws of hope the uber left is grasping today due to the jobs report).

          Trickle down big statism government is a proven failed policy.

          Obama never learned to play with others, so now he will get to go home and play with himself.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#11 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:20 PM EDT

          A far left Obama doctrine

          On every issue save same-sex marriage equality, Obama is to the right of Richard Nixon. Obama's to the right of the current Conservative Canadian government.

          • 9 votes
          #11.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:25 PM EDT

          Sorry ds, that's just not true.

          Obama is barely to the right of Stalin...who's slogan just happened to also be "Forward".

          • 3 votes
          #11.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

          common: it certainly IS true that Obama is to the right of Richard Nixon. Could Obama even joke that he'd return to the tax rates that obtained under Nixon? Could Nixon programs like Affirmative Action and the EPA be passed today? Can you imagine Obama flying to Iran like Nixon flew to China? The PPACA (which I'd hasten to remind you is 100% PRIVATE insurance) is far to the right of the national health care plan Nixon floated in 1970.

          • 6 votes
          #11.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:31 PM EDT

          dsl, I'd suggest that Obama's accomplishments and Obama's dream of Obamaland are two entirely different scenarios.

          Thank heavens for those darn obstructionist republicans.

          • 2 votes
          #11.4 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:34 PM EDT

          Common, DSLSCA is right here you know..... there's really no debate. Do you know what communism even is?

          If you now admit that the Republicans have completely obstructed him, thank you for admiting the truth.

          • 7 votes
          #11.5 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

          common: I'm not sure what you mean by "Obamaland." Is that the nation where we went from hemorrhaging jobs to having added jobs for 30 straight months? Is that the nation where the DowJones is up over 6000 points from its Bush low? Is that the nation that saved its automobile industry from extinction and returned it to profitability?

          • 6 votes
          #11.6 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

          Guys, i need to get back to work so won't have time to play. I'll be back later though and we can exchange views. I'm reasonably certain we're coming at the problem from polar opposites, but who knows? Maybe we can find some common ground. Something I wish the Big O had tried a bit more often.

          • 2 votes
          #11.7 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

          Glad you have a job (not sarcastic).

          I'm sure we'd have some things to agree on if we were taling in person. This mode is WAY too easy to get into a competition about who can come up the the best snarky remark. (I'm guilty of that too sometimes)

          Best of luck.

          • 6 votes
          #11.8 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

          Obama is barely to the right of Stalin...who's slogan just happened to also be "Forward"

          I'm sorry to inform you that you're misinformed. Really, no dig here, but that line is straight off of the FOX news wire. Stalin was a sick minded psychopath and vicious murderer who is responsible for more deaths than Hitler. Comparing the President of the United States to that man is beyond ridiculous and shows you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

          • 3 votes
          #11.9 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:06 PM EDT
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          Obama just said 'Don’t expect to see that Obama again', and he has the gall to accuse Romney of shifting??

          • 4 votes
          Reply#12 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:24 PM EDT

          Obama was admitting he underperformed and won't make that mistake again....Romney shifts his stance over and over and over again. Why does Obama's statement take gall, it's reasonable and accurate.

          • 4 votes
          #12.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:25 PM EDT
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          The GOP/RNC "Speculator and Chief" has been changing his views on every policy issue for the last Two Years. The GOP/RNC "Romulian" has no idea of what a rea paycheck looks like. This "Bain Trained Speculator" has never worked for an honest days pay for his whole life. The GOP/RNC "Fip-Flopper" has his real view about America. Which he has expressed in very quiet rooms with his fellow "Speculators." People are takers, they do not take responsibilty for themselves, and are all for welfare. This is the true beliefs of the GOP?RNC "Speculator and Chief." In the debate on Wednesday the "Bain Traind Speculator" showed up in full economic form. He was in his CEO mode of firing everyone, and bullying everyone in the room. The "Romulian" during the debate must have thought that he was on his home planet of Romulus. That is fact!

          • 6 votes
          Reply#13 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

          Was it me or did Romney appear to on some sort of sugar high, ritlin (?), too much Dr. Pepper? Fact checkers=Romney 27 Pinocchio's in 38 minutes. The man has absolutely no shame, just think, romney supporters, one thing you can really depend on with Romney; you'll never know where he really stands on anything or everything.

          Obama 2012

          • 8 votes
          Reply#14 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:47 PM EDT

          Ah, that little thing...it's okay. Ole Anne just slips him a xanax now and then.

          • 4 votes
          #14.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:44 PM EDT
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          mitt accused the president of spending so much time on " obamacare" that he didn't spend time on jobs. well mitt, if you didn't spend so much time on mass. heath care perhaps mass would not have not have been 46th in the nation for job growth under your administration. his comment (twice) that mass is number 1 in education only deserves a " you didn't build it " comment. tell us how many jobs the house has created and how many bills to create jobs the republicans in congress have blocked

          • 7 votes
          Reply#15 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

          Romney won the debate and the fact checkers back him up. Obama cannot defend himself when he is face to face with another full grown adult. He can only stand around and spew lies when no one is there to call him on his BS. He will lose the next two debates as well.

          Romney is saying what he has always said but now that no one is there to keep him honest he is right back out up to his same old smear tactics again. Nothing new here.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#16 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:23 PM EDT

          Ain't gonna happen. Read below. Mitt will get called out for these facts.

          • 5 votes
          #16.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:50 PM EDT
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          It’s not that I dislike Mitt Romney, it’s just, well geese…

          Flip…Mitt Romney said…The Middle East will "remain an unsolved problem... and we will kick that ball down the field". He dismissed Israel's concerns about Iran as mere "noise" that he prefers to "block out." And at a time when Israel needs America to stand with it, he declined to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

          Flop…At the Fox News Google debate in September of 2011, Governor Romney was asked how he would address the middle east given the new realities in the region. He answered that the first action should be to ensure that everyone knows that the US will stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel and not let any light be shown between the two of you.

          Flip…Mitt Romney said…"There are 47% who are with him(Obama)” (lower income families, elderly, veterans, disabled Americans) who are dependent upon government,” Mr Romney said in the video that his role "is not to worry about those people”.

          Flop…“It’s not those at the low end and it’s certainly not for those at the very high end. It’s for the great middle class, the 80 to 90 percent of us in this country.”

          Flip…Mitt Romney said…”I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country, and you will never see me wavering on that”.

          Flop…"I believe people understand that I'm firmly pro-life.

          Flipity-Flop…“When I am asked if I am pro-choice or pro-life, I say I refuse to accept either label.

          Flip/Flop/Flip…On stem cell research…‘Look, you don’t have to think about this stem cell research as a moral issue, because we kill the embryos after 14 days.’

          Flip…Mitt Romney said…“The middle class should not be expecting a cut in taxes because I'm also going to lower deductions and exemptions,”

          Flop…“My own view with regards to tax policy is that we ought to provide help to the people that have been hurt most by the Obama economy, and that’s the middle class.”

          Flip…Mitt Romney said… Millionaire Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Wednesday that he was seeking better tax policies for people in the middle class like himself.

          Fact…The former Massachusetts governor has a net worth estimated at 250 million dollars.

          Flip…“I think I’m best off to describe my own positions. And my positions, I think I’ve just described for you – secure the border, employment verification and no special pathway to citizenship.”

          Flop…Mitt Romney said illegal immigrants should have a chance to obtain citizenship.”

          Flipity Flop…Mitt actually employed a contractor, of whom had 5 illegal immigrants working at his site, on his own ranch.

          Flip…Gov. Mitt Romney (R) signed a bill Wednesday (4-12-06) requiring all Massachusetts residents to purchase health insurance.

          Flop…He’s now a critic of his own biggest achievement.

          Worth Repeating…

          Flip…Mitt Romney said… Millionaire Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Wednesday that he was seeking better tax policies for people in the middle class like himself.

          Fact…The former Massachusetts governor has a net worth estimated at 250 million dollars.

          Mitt’s last words before killing of Osama Bin Laden…”It’s not worth moving heaven and earth just trying to catch one man.”

          Mitt’s first words after killing of Osama Bin Laden…”Of course I would have given that order, even Jimmy Carter would’ve given that order.”

          On second thought, I do dislike this man.

          • 9 votes
          Reply#17 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:39 PM EDT

          Can you please provide some equal time and effort to Mr. "All my cabinet meetings will be posted on the internet" O'Bama? Please? Would that be the same Mr. Obama who in front of a group of African American Pastors accused the US government of Racial bias in regards to funding Hurricane Katrina relief, yet was one of only 14 Senators to vote against the relief package of 220 Billion dollars? He cited the 10% matching requirement of the Stanford act yet Louisana was asked to pay nothing. You know the man right? Some equal Flip Flop Comparisons please? I think you will find you don't like that man much either.

          • 1 vote
          #17.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:52 PM EDT

          The total amount of damage from Katrina was estimated to be 81.5 billion....where do you get the 220 billion number?

          • 3 votes
          #17.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:20 PM EDT

          Bolling steered you wrong, Tallone.

          There were two supplemental bills. Obama voted against one of them because it did not contain a timetable for leaving Iraq. The bill he voted for contained the timetable and waived the Stafford Act. In fact, Obama was a big proponent of waiving the Stafford Act for Katrina victims.

          • 1 vote
          #17.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:18 PM EDT

          Bill... I never saw anybody write more garbage than you did and try to get everbody to believe you like you are a fact checker...Dont you have better things to do than lie to yourself?

            #17.4 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 1:51 PM EDT
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            114,000 new jobs created, yet when the government 'polled' households, somehow magically they received 865k respondants that said they found work. Hmm. O'Bama loses the debate badly on Wednesday. On Thursday, all fired up he tells a group of supporters that he doesn't know the man who showed up at the debate last night. "That you all deserve a President that will tell you the truth!" Then Friday 865,000 people filled the 114,000 job vacancies. Voila, the unemployment rate drops to 7.8%. So Romney should not be playing this down as the Liberal MSN is reporting (I doubt he is) he should polish his next "you an effen liar line" line to O'Bama and be playing this up to the highest mountain. The 5 boys line was just the start. I would prefer something more direct, like Mr. O'Bama, quite simply you are an effen liar' would be the most direct path.

            If O'Bama was a CEO of a major Corporation, and Ben Bernanke was his CFO, the company would be called Enron. and their names would be Lay and Skilling. Obama cooking the books and smoothly lying every step of the way, and the complicit Bernanke printing money to pay for the bad trades. Remember when Enron was the Darling of Wall Street? My God America, please wake up to this man. But then again, Hitler had the love and adoration of the German people as well... You have to make your voices heard on election day. Yes, I am a democrat, but I am not an idiot either. I guess I should say I WAS a democrat.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#18 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

            Other then Red State, where have you come up with this 865000 number? Source?

            • 3 votes
            #18.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:18 PM EDT
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            Well guys, Mitt the twits plan on job creation is a plan that he has planned but can't really discuss the details of the plan because that plan is so well planned even he and the planners who helped him plan it cant come up with any type of plan to lay out the details of such a great plan.

            • 9 votes
            Reply#19 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:47 PM EDT

            OMG...too funny !!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • 3 votes
            #19.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

            That's because the plan is on Double Secret Probation!

            • 4 votes
            #19.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:34 PM EDT

            C'mon guys. Cut Romney some slack. How can anyone reasonably expect him to remember his plan when he and his handlers change it so frequently?

            • 6 votes
            #19.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:12 PM EDT
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            First he came for Seamus; then he came for Big Bird...what poor defenseless animal will Romney come for next?.....Rafalca....where are you? Rafalca???....Has anyone seen Rafalca since the Olympics? OH NOOOOO!!!!!

            • 7 votes
            Reply#20 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:14 PM EDT

            Sueb1 - Rafalca didn't win a gold. However, Rover says she tasted delicious!

            Obama/Biden 2012

            • 4 votes
            #20.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:30 PM EDT

            The muppets are in hiding and Lehrer is probably glad he retired (and possibly sorry he came out of retirement for the debate).

            Funny (or not)...did you see the reptilian smile on Romney's face as he talking about cutting funding for PBS. He looked right at Lehrer, said PBS would be on the chopping block, even though he likes Sesame Street and you, Jim.

            Makes me wonder if he's the kind of guy who smiles when he slips a shiv under your ribcage.

            • 4 votes
            #20.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:34 PM EDT

            A sociopath loves doing harm to animals and has no feelings one way or the other about it or for what happens to other people either. A Sociopath will say or do whatever he thinks will get him what he wants. The sociopath will lie through his beautiful teeth. He is usually educated, good looking and soft spoken. He's polite, almost too polite and he wants you to believe he is telling the truth even when it contradicts what he said just a few minutes ago.

            A vulture capitalist is the perfect job for a sociopath. Does that describe Romney? Of course it does.

            • 5 votes
            #20.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:05 PM EDT

            Think about it. Romney just blames Obama every day for our tale of woe in this country. Does that make any sense at all? When ALL of the Obama job losses occurred during 2009? I mean a child would know better. Does Romney mention that England and most of Europe has gone back into recession?? NO, he forgets details like that. Does he mention that state and local governments have shed 700,000 jobs since Obama took power? Does he mention that Obama had to spend 30% of the stimulus bailing out the states so about four or five of them would not go bankrupt? Does he mention that another 30% of the stimulus was tax cuts? No, Romney acts like he disagrees with the entire stimulus. In fact, almost EVERYBODY in Congress supported about 60 to 70% of the stimulus - even Turtlehead. Virtually NO economists said that there should be NO stimulus in 2009.

            As for healthcare, Romney lies about the Affordable Care Act as soon as he gets out of bed every day. The program is 95% the same as the program he enacted in Massachussetts. It takes great gaul to lie like Romney.

            • 2 votes
            #20.4 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 1:23 AM EDT
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            The media has been suckers for Romney's ploy. He brags on his website about a 20% tax cut, and he sure isn't deflating it by saying he would entirely negate with deduction elimination. And what is the point of giving the rate deduction if you really are going to negate it??? And, if the taxpayer makes two million dollars a year, how do you take away a $200,000 tax cut by eliminating deductions?? It can't be done!!!

            Romney is lying -- AGAIN. If his lips are moving....

            • 3 votes
            Reply#22 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:45 PM EDT

            Barack Hussein Obama was FOR gay marriage before he was AGAINST it, before he was FOR IT again ... and this is the guy accusing Romney of changing positions ? LOL !

            Barack Obama evolved on gay marriage. Heck, a lot of the country has come around to the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with gays getting married. That's called listening to the electorate.

            Romney has changed positions in the same paragraph. Romney made the 47% comment a month ago, doubled down on it and now he's walking it back. He's a moderate, he's severely conservative, he's pro-choice, he's anti choice, he's for 53% of the country, then he's concerned about the entire country.

            Here's an easy one for you. How about Romneycare? It was his signature achievement, but the teapartiers didn't like it, so he ran away from it. He even called himself the grandfather of Obamacare. Now he wants to repeal Obamacare, even though it is substantially like Romneycare and contains loads of Republican ideas, like the individual mandate.

            Romney must take yoga classes to be able to twist into so many positions.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#23 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 7:50 PM EDT

            I have read some of your posts and I cannot tell where YOU stand on issues. But for sake of argument lets look at the Gay issue. First off the sitting President has signed an EO stating that all federal agencies will recognize and protect LGBT's as they would any other group similar to those of ethnic, gender, religion, disability, or age. This is also know as the Civil Rights Act. The group is actively saying that they were born this way. I am not saying that is a lie, but the President has now placed a group which 30 or 40 years ago was considered to be sexual deviants. Think about when you open this door. What do you tell the person who NOW says that he was born as a Pedophile and cannot change? What about the person who prefers animals? Where do we draw the line? It is another area where the federal government should not be. However, I do agree with the same rights for LGBT's as any other loving couple. I do not agree with calling it a marriage. That is a foundation of religion. Are you going to force a Catholic Church to perform the service? Would that be the Government taking over religion? Writing the tenants of that religion? Why did they not do it with Divorce?

            Just curious.....where do you stand.

            • 1 vote
            #23.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:39 PM EDT

            Think about when you open this door. What do you tell the person who NOW says that he was born as a Pedophile and cannot change? What about the person who prefers animals? Where do we draw the line?

            This is what's called the "Slippery Slope" logical fallacy. Ya know, when women got the right to vote it didn't lead to barnyard animals voting. Gay and lesbian equality won't lead to repealing child sex crime laws no matter how many times you say it will. Homosexuality doesn't cause harm; pedophilia does. There's a difference.

            • 4 votes
            #23.2 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:43 PM EDT

            Just curious.....where do you stand.

            I believe that gay people should be able to get married. Now you started the slippery slope argument. Let's take a look at marriage.

            You realize that marriage is a civil institution. A marriage is recognized by the govt. A couple can get married in a church, but it must be recognized by the govt for that couple to get the legal benefits of marriage. There is no issue of forcing a church to marry people that they may not want to marry. A couple can get married anywhere they want, as long as they get a marriage license. I'm an atheist, so a church wedding was pretty much out of the question, but I was married by a Unitarian minister in a hotel courtyard. Non-religious ceremony. It was my wedding, the way I wanted it.

            OK, who can get married? Anyone who has reached the age of consent or who has parental permission to get married and the rules on this vary by state. A person who is unable to consent cannot get married. So, that really does rule out animals. Two men in a loving, committed relationship is not the same as Jerry Sandusky and the boy in the shower.

            Now, your post brings up a couple of things. You mention marriage and you know where I stand on that.

            You then pivot toward pedophiles and bestiality enthusiasts and I can't tell if you're talking about pedo marriage or suggesting that by no longer classifying gays as deviants, we're going to start calling pedophiles "the new normal."

            Pedophilia and bestiality are illegal. Both activities involve rape. The pedophile may be truly f*cked up in the head, but he doesn't get special status. Nobody has to hire pedophiles and nobody is required to hire sheepf-ers. Rapists are criminals and they don't get a protected status. The line is already there. It doesn't need to be redrawn. There is no slope.

            • 4 votes
            #23.3 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:20 PM EDT
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            That, is the one constant in Mitt Wits campaign. Changing his position is his lie. Whenever that P.O.S. opens his mouth, he is flat out lying! And those loony rwnj's eat it up! How sad we are for them.

            OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 MOVING OUR FUTURE FOREWARD!!!!

            • 2 votes
            Reply#24 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:51 PM EDT

            sailorGirl Some days he wants to keep parts of Obama but doesn't know how to keep the parts he wants if the entire bill is repealed. Does this sound confusing?

            • 2 votes
            Reply#25 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 8:51 PM EDT

            sailorGirl Some days he wants to keep parts of Obama but doesn't know how to keep the parts he wants if the entire bill is repealed. Does this sound confusing?

            Sure does, prog.1. Mitt has painted himself into an awkward position. His signature piece of legislation is very similar to Obamacare and he has called himself the Grandfather of Obamacare. He has run away from it because the TeaParty and hard-right cons think it smacks of socialism and claim it is unconstitutional. That's a problem for Mitt. Once he started running for 2012, he had to back away from Romneycare if he wanted to get any TeaParty or heck, any Republican support. They hate the legislation and I think they don't know if they can trust him yet. Notice that they'll support him, but they don't really like him. It's just that they hate Obama more. Doesn't matter how many Rep ideas were incorporated into Obamacare, it's coming from Obama, so they now must be against it.

            Now he needs to distance himself from Romneycare, but he needs to appeal to moderates and independents. Repeal and replace. Replace with what? Of *course* he'll let kids stay on until 26, of *course* pre-existing conditions would be covered (not really, but yes, but no). Whatever he needs to say...

            He's light on specifics and long on reversals. It's confusing, indeed.

            • 1 vote
            #25.1 - Fri Oct 5, 2012 9:55 PM EDT
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