ABINGDON, VA -- Mitt Romney downplayed the importance of new, positive jobs data released Friday, telling a crowd of supporters here in rural Virginia the drop in the unemployment rate had more to do with workers dropping out of the labor force than with any real expansion of hiring.
"There were fewer new jobs created this month than last month," Romney said of today's report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics which showed 114,000 jobs created in September, and revised the August number up to 142,000 new jobs.

Steve Helber / AP
Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney gestures during a rally in Abingdon, Va., Friday, Oct. 5, 2012.
The Republican presidential nominee's tack broke from a now-monthly tradition of seizing on weak employment reports to portray President Barack Obama as ineffective in turning around a struggling US economy, Mitt Romney downplayed the importance of today's more positive labor data,
"The unemployment rate as you noted this year has come down very, very slowly, but it’s come down none the less. The reason it’s come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work," Romney continued. "If the same share of people were participating in the workforce today as on the day the president got elected, our unemployment rate would be around 11 percent. That’s the real reality of what’s happening out there."
Recommended: Obama uses positive jobs report to make case against Romney
The report from the Bureau of Labor statistics shows workforce participation remained essentially flat in September, at around 64 percent, with an uptick in workers who took part time jobs for economic reasons, such as not being able to get full time employment. Updward-revised jobs numbers from July and August also contributed to the lower jobless rate.
While workforce participation has generally declined over the course of the past four years, workforce participation actually inched upward last month – meaning a drop in those seeking work wasn’t directly attributable to the lower unemployment rate last month.
Economist Greg Ip breaks down the September Jobs Report.
But if the jobs report itself was a secondary focus in Romney's remarks today, the economy was once again front and center, with Romney telling some 3,300 supporters gathered here that he could grow the economy faster than Obama, and promising brighter economic days ahead.
"My priority is creating jobs," Romney said. "I’ll help small business do that, with everything I can do. Now we can do better. We don’t have to stay on the path we’ve been on. We can do better."
"When I’m president of the United States – that unemployment rate is going to come down not because people are giving up and dropping out of the workforce but because we’re creating more jobs," Romney said later. "I will create jobs and get America working again!"
The Obama campaign challenged Romney economic plans in a statement released shortly after the event concluded.
"In fact, independent economists say his plans would not create jobs, could slow the recovery, and could actually cost us two million jobs over the next two years. The American people want to move forward, not back,” Obama campaign spokesperson Lis Smith wrote.


Heaven forbid Team Willard ever mention anything positive!
It's all doom & gloom with Chicken Little & his followers... 24/7!
It's what happens when you're feed a steady diet of fear, hatred, & ignorance!
More good news for our President …
Our President’s approval is at 52% and his lead over Romney is now 5 points (50/45) today according to Gallup Daily Tracking conducted Oct 2 to Oct 4 – first day after the debate (no shrinkage in fact up 1 point).
Feisty,
No kidding! Good lord! We get good news on the jobs report and the WRNJs are on every single board saying the books were cooked. Well, DORKS if we were cooking the books we would have done it months ago!!!
Deperation is in the air and Williard's hot air "bounce" from his debate performance will dwindle and we'll see yet another version of the Rombot.
Obama/Biden 2012
I'll bet if someone told President Obama that if he would "lose" the first debate, unemployment would drop to 7.8% two days after the debate, he would have taken that deal in a heartbeat!
PS, Willard, time to find a new talking point. That 8% line you are so fond of is out of date!
Hey Dennis...actually the Gallup Daily Tracking poll is from 9/28 - 10/4 (at least according to Real Clear Politics). Tough to assess the debate impact yet (good article about that in NYT) because so few of the interviews have been post debate and we don't know what the numbers of the day that gets dropped off the back end look like. I expect something in the neighborhood of a point or 2 when all is said and done.
It does look like RCP moved Ohio from Lean Obama to Toss Up though. Didn't notice any other changes.
Have a good one!!
(And here is a Republican telling you all that I firmly believe the books were not cooked.)
Willard's message to the people, Screw You!
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."
"Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax," Romney said, and that his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Hi Frank,
Top right, above approval numbers
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
RCP (Average of polls) as of 10/05/2012 After the 1st Debate
Ohio moved from Lean Obama back to Tossup
8 Tossup States: Tied in 3 (NC=15 + FL=29 + VA=13), Obama leads in 4, Romney leads in 1.
Delegates: Obama = Solid(142)+Likely(37)+Lean(72) = 251 +Tossup(39) = 290
Delegates: Romney = Solid(76)+Likely(74)+Lean(31) = 181 +Tossup(10) = 191
Total Delegates: [290+191+57 = 538] Win = 270
Layton,
I lost count! lol
Have you noticed the pivot from the right wingers back to "$5.00 a gallon gas is coming"?
Ask them how that little gem has worked out for them the last 8 months? lol
If nothing else, they are predictable!
Romney lies. He will say anything he thinks will help him get elected.
Hey Dennis...yeah, I was just looking at the head-to-head number. Looks like the Obama approval number is 10/2-10/4, but if you look underneath of the approval section, you see "General Election" and at the bottom of the numbers it says 7 day rolling average. Am I looking at that right?
Romney downplays jobs report in VA rally
Of course he did...he HAS to. Instead of actually telling the truth, that the economy is on the upswing, he parrots the same lies over. He has to keep up the Grand Illusion.
You know, maybe things really AREN'T as bad as the GOP is making them out to be...maybe they know something that the rest of us don't. I mean, really...you would think that if things were REALLY this bad, the GOP would actually want to help the situation by NOT FILIBUSTERING Democratic jobs bills. If these jobs bills were really THAT bad, why not pass any ONE of those bills, and give the president the rope he needs to hang himself? Then the GOP can say "See? I told you so!" They just can't bring themselves to do that. They can't allow the prospect of a healthy economy derail their attempts to gain back control of something they @!$%# up EVERY time they lay their hands on it.
But, by filibustering EVERY Democratic jobs bill, it tells me just the opposite: The GOP doesn't care about you...they care only about themselves.
The GOP is keeping 12.5 million Americans out of work, just to make sure one man loses his job.
Frank,
Thanks, you are correct – I didn’t notice that before – should be above the numbers like the job approval – consistency
Dennis...
Agreed. Always enjoy talking to a fellow numbers guy!! Have a great weekend!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
You will see flying elephants first
OK- from people like Boehner and McConnel starting on day one wanting Obama (and our country) to fail to Limbaugh wanting the same thing, to people like NoJo using a screen name like "no Jo no Bo" from day one before we knew how Obama would do, to now- Mitt Romney, wanting so badly to find the cloud in a silver lining, can we all finally agree no one on the right was going to get over Obama beating his challenger in 2008?
Can we for once just be honest??
"Our President’s approval is at 52% and his lead over Romney is now 5 points (50/45) today according to Gallup Daily Tracking conducted Oct 2 to Oct 4 – first day after the debate (no shrinkage in fact up 1 point)."
Gosh, Dennis- you didn't know? ALL those polls are 'skewed'.
I read all you guys' remarks this morning about Joe Scarborough and the long face he had this morning because of a positive job report.
Imagine that.
He was depressed because of good job numbers.
Just goes to show you how little the GOP cares about this country. Scarborough is one of the worst.
It's all politics with them.
And what about Jack Welsh's comments? Doesn't he get star billing on Scarborough's program?
Despicable.
Anecdotal evidence the economy is improving - my co-worker just quit her job because she's bored with the same old routine - and she doesn't have another job lined up!
When was the last time you heard of someone doing that?!
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
And in the state that knows Mitt best - Massachusetts - President Obama leads 60% to Romney's sad 38%. I guess Romney's 34% approval rating when he left as Gov has not improved much.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
Not quite Dennis, rasmussen has it less see below. I do have to say that 50 or above is good for the President, however the debate is not included yet, nor is the Libya Gate. By the way I like the President, but I do not like his ideas or policies.
Pat - actually Joe's been depressed ever since Romney started running. Just sayin....
Obama/Biden 2012
Romney would downplay an ice cream cone in a kid's hands if it served his purpose.. He is a mask hiding the lack of a soul, a Greek tragedy produced by the Comedy Channel. Yes I am Left, but this man is not right.
Bayllie,
Governor Krispy Cream is going to jump off a bridge?
Mitt doesn't like the good job report;
Mitt is rooting against America. Shame on you, Mitt.
Feisty - no darlin, bayllie said "flying elephants." Governor Krispy Cream would just drop like a lead balloon!
Obama/Biden 2012
Feisty, your opening statement hits the nail on the head about Romney and the republican party as a whole.
They refuse to say anything positive about any positive activity in the nation. Moreover, they have done everything in their power to prevent the possibility of anything positive happening for the American public.
The republicans have been complaining for two years about jobs. All the while they have sat on their hands rather than do anything of a positive nature to remedy the situation. Now that the new jobs report shows the lowest jobless rate in 4 years, Romney and republicans try to say it isn't because of Obama. This is a shinning example of how two-faced and negative Romney and the GOP truly are.
A man speaks the truth and you fools come unhinged. I know you have not heard the truth alot in the last four years but get used to it. More is coming after November when Romney wins.
The bottom line, Willard Romney the talking lying buffoon will never ever be elected to the office of the President of the United States.
rukidding47
Wow, you know who the real Romney is! Well that is 1 out of 300,000,000 ... definitely some room for growth there for Romney.
This is ALL over the internets -
Jack Welch: "Unbelievable job numbers. These Chicago guys will do anything...can't debate so will change numbers".
This is the same CRAP they sold us to go into Iraq. So so so dishonest. They just make it up as they go along.
############
Isn't this Welch the same guy who mentored Tim Russert? Journalism, he taught Russert, was all about the money.
Thanks Brian!
I often wonder how people like them can go through life with so much negativity in their souls...
It wouldn't seem healthy is you ask me...
Seeking,
My bad! I was thinking of Dumbo, he & Christie are about the same size! ;o)
Bottom line Obama will be looking for housing come November Job1. Do you want him in your neighborhood?
The Romney Campaign has been walking back statements Mitt made in the debate. So, the question that should be asked is how can Romney be called the winner when he's already admitting that he lied? In a real debate with debate judges scoring, President Obama would have won on facts. Too bad so many viewers look at debates for the visuals rather than the facts and substance.
I got a laugh at Lawrence O'Donnell's "rewrite" of a Denver new article describing Romney's big debate by comparing Mitt to a bull charging time and again at a Matador--except as L.O. pointed out, you know what the matador does to the bull in the end.
ObaMagnificent
Obama is magnificent
ObaMagnanimous
Obama is magnanimous
ObaMasculine
Obama is Da Man.
ObaManna
Obama has power
ObaMandate
Obama will get a 2nd term
.......................
They could always mirror their beloved Obummer and bow their heads and clench their jaws and look like a coward during a prestigious debate that Obummer agreed to on his freaking wedding anniversary months in advance...Tells you alot obout lack of character and diplomacy went out the window real quick ..Obummer knows he and his administration has a huge cover up to deal with and i wouldnt be suprised if the Benghazi gate didnt give him a report before the debate..he looked sick to his stomach and it has nothing to do with Romney..his own demo mules will kick him out regardles if elected or not..Watergate and Nixon had nothing to do with deaths of our Ambassador and 2 navy seals and an unnamed american either...drip drip drip is getting ready to be Niagara.. So sorry reputable peeps were sent out to lie for this admministration their careers may be over depending on the spinsters..Shame on this administration and shame on uninformed americans..Your all are a hot mess now and wonder what your gonna be freaking on after the real truth comes out.
Why do Republicans hate America?
Obama 2016... Costa Rica is what America use to look like..sooo when America is what my brother and father died for as well as thousands of others returns to HER NATURAL STATE..then maybe we can be proud again..Hate is so generalized today and does not really nail what true americans really feel about what our Beloved Country has been subjected too..what Republicans or Independents dont like or understand is ignorance and followers of ignorant people..
Frank Grimes:
But Obama's margin went up a point when the day AFTER the debate was included. Gallup keeps a 7-day rolling average, so that means the one-point gain was made strictly by the 1/7 of the sample of people responding the day after the debate. Maybe Romney will gain a few points over the next week, but the improved jobs numbers will not work in his favor. And Greg Sargent pointed out that the crazy accusations that Obama manipulated the unemployment figures to help himself get reelected won't help Romney, either. What Sargent calls "unemployment truthers" are in the same basket of fruitcakes as the "poll truthers" who claim Obama is coercing even Fox News and the Wall Street Journal pollsters into fudging the numbers in his favor. And right next to those to brands of fruitcakes, we still have, of course, the birthers. No doubt that Romney will win the fruitcake vote overwhelmingly, but I doubt he's going to get to 270 electoral votes with it.
Feisty - but Dumbo is MUCH cuter - and smarter!
Obama/Biden 2012
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Actually, Gov. Krispy Cream has the ability to fly already - in his taxpayer-funded helicopter. Most of us have to pay excise tax to be able to register and drive our vehicles to work. Christie flies his helicopter to his kids games and makes the little people pay for it - another fiscally IRresponsible hypocrite.
SeekingSanity
plus I can't imagine Dumbo being a Republican!
Seeking - All republicans are cute - don't ya know?
Bali Bob ...
I dunno! Sad though isn't it when something positive happens for the good of this country they have to spin it into a partisan issue.
Obama/Biden 2012
Sirie...Republicans...exe-cute...just like Gov. bush of Texas who executed so many who mighht be innocent
When Bush was president, so many in the middle east lost their lives because of Bush's wars which also drained US finances
sirie - I'm going to disagree on that one. But the Koala's avitar's are! :-)
Stepping on to this thread is like being in the Overlook Hotel in the Shining. Insanity abounds.
The job numbers have always been jello and are jello today. They get released one day and revised a week later.
Right now liberals are grasping at any straw to try to make Obama look good after Wednesday nights dismal Obama performance...
How's this look Liberals?
43 months - Unemployment > 8%
1 month - Unemployment < 8%
You act like this is a momentous event. Sure is funny how the number is lower than 8% one month before the election... do you actually think the American people are that stupid? We know liberals are to be falling for this crap.
The number isn't 7.8% anyway... it's closer to 11% and has been for quite some time. There are close to 13 million people out of work right now... and if you understand the math, it is close to 11% of the actual workforce.
I'll bet not not many liberals can say for certain what unemployment number this is based on... You do know there are 2 numbers the government uses for reporting purposes...
Pigotry
that's funny.
Brianb - Stepping on to this thread is like being in the Overlook Hotel in the Shining. Insanity abounds. Only since you joined in!
Obama/Biden 2012
@Layton,
Ref Brianb's post (#1.45) for a fine example.
@Brianb,
Nice job of finding a cloud in a silver lining.
Gov. Krispy Kreme..haha..that's funny
when he jumps off a bridge, he gets stuck..so instead he ends up hanging
Oops error code "bubblegum" trying to post. Anyone else get that?
Sueb1 - Big Bird doesn't have much to worry about. If Romney tried to chase him, Romney would probably do a face plant. (Have to admit, I'd PAY to see that!
Bali - had to reboot to post. "bubblegum"
Obama/Biden 2012
Pigotry - touche'
This is how Oscar reacts to the news that Mitt the Twit is going to cut funding of PBS:
What??????? I am already living in a garbage dump. ... there is just nothing a vulture won't do to make more obscene profits for himself.. outsourcing my garbage dump which is a piece of real-estate already under water
This guy is dangerous ! Just imagine Mitt as Pres... he would be a total disaster for this country. Wipe out the middle class in a month! No wonder Koch / Adelson and the like are giving him millions - hundreds of millions ... and today old fart Jack Welch pipes up with one foot in the grave that the labor dept is inventing the numbers because they favor obama ! This man and his protege immelt are the scum - JW laid off over 100,000 people and immelt has the audacity to say that current tax policy is hurting them when they are not even paying any taxes !
SOMETHING is drastically wrong when almost the entire middle of America is red and pro-republican - the very party that has created the deficits, started wars and wiped out the middle class and re-defined the financial pathways so that a few can get filthy rich and then give a few dollars away to make themselves feel 'COMPASSIONATE" !
WAKE UP AMERICA - yes this is the TRUE defining moment for this country ..... and unless you open your eyes instead of looking for who can make the best sound bite and behave like an attack dog in a ring ... you are going to lose EVERYTHING that you think you are rooting for.
BTW - I am talking bout Oscar of Sesame Street in #1.53.
Damn it! Now I have to clean my monitor and key board! LMAO!
Note to self: Don't read Feisty's comments while drinking... I hate it when pop shoots out my nose.
R$mney - The Real Reality is.... Yesterday, you were 'completely' wrong about the 47%, but yet 3 weeks ago you stood behind your comment? Tomorrow, what will it be? How is that concession speech coming along?
If you Obama lemmings think you can convince me that adding fewer jobs (114,000) than either of the previous two months actually caused the unemployment rate to drop .3%, you must think I'm as naive as you are.
Devie,
Sorry bout that! ;o)
Romney talking about these employment numbers is just like Obama talking about how he beats Michelle...
Neither one are true
114,000 jobs and a .3 drop. How stupid do you libs think people are.
And keep citing the polls using the 08 turnout. I am sure the 50% of college grads this year who can't find a job will have a different story to tell come election day '12.
I can't wait until this is all over with and you can all crawl back under your rocks...
I have a VERY hard time believing Romney when he says people have stopped looking for work. Speaking from my own experience, until just very recently I was one of those who'd been out of work for a year, or two, or more. Yes, while I'd been very discouraged by that, and yes, while I did want to give up, I never did. I think I can say with some certainty that the vast majority of people in my position did not, ARE NOT giving up. I believe most people like me want to be productive and be able to fend for themselves.
So spin away Mr. Romney. I believe the jobs data more than I believe you.
Has anyone else noticed that Mitt Robme has been stealing lines from Democrat President Bill Clinton's former campaign run?
"We can do better" was Bill Clinton's political mantra.
Obama/Biden 2012
Ask your buddy O about the concession speech. His handlers need to get busy on that one.
It should be obvious. Romney is running for President and not out destroying companies.
If the roles were reversed you can bet Romney would be touting this to the heavens. What a worthless, lying piece of crap. Obama-Biden in a landslide.
Let's not get to excited about the good news just remember that Nov 6th Baby
Just remember the late great Al Davis sayed it best Just win baby, Just win baby
But you got to vote baby just vote baby to win baby!
Obama 2012
He won't believe the polls so he makes up his own... get ready for Mitts very own job report, one he can believe in!
Why is something positive for the majority of Americans a source of dismay for Willard?
Romney prefers that the public believer his unreal reality.
I wonder which Mitt said this? Was it "Moderate Mittens" who cares "deeply" about 100% of Americans? Or was it "Rich Bitch Mittens" who couldn't care less about those 47% of poor Americans because after all, they're just lazy and shiftless beggars. Or perhaps it was "TeaBagger Mittens" who wants to get voucherize medicare and privatize social security?
You Obama zombies evidently don't know about seasonal hiring for the holidays eh? Minimum wage seasonal jobs aren't going to help long term. Of course the fact the statistics are coming from a "government bureau" run by people in his administration won't phase you either.
coming from Romney's mouth that's hilarious! "Real Reality"... he wouldn't know such if it bit him on his plastic ass
Mitt (sour grapes) Romney can't get a break. Karma is such a wonderful thing, isn't it?
Mitt lies his way through debate, gutting his tax cut stimulus plan in the process. He's got nothing left to run on to help the economy except drill, baby, drill.
His record as job creator in Mass is mediocre at best (43rd in job growth, last in median wage growth in first 2.5 years according to nonpartisan 9-3-06 Massachustts Budget and Policy Center report). Slowest job recovery after recession in Massachusetts history.
His record at Bain: way too many people fired for his own profit; Cayman Islands offshoring strategy is not something that works for him now either.
His lies are catching up to him. Even his supporters acknowledge some of them.
47% comments reflect righties in top 1% view of America. Is Mitt one of them?
Tax returns. 12% rate is the envy of the middle class. Oh, he made millions and paid that low of a rate. Wow. Rich guys really do get special treatment.
Maybe he ought to propose raising his own tax rate. That could get him some more votes.
Mitt Romney, man on a mission, and it is ....."slip, sliding away."
OBAMA 2012
Celebration abounds from Comrades Feisty, Jody, Beverly and the rest in the Obama trance. Wake up! He promised that if we approved his $800b stimulis that unemployment wouldn't rise above 6.5%. Who is the liar? You are supporting a lost cause, a failed experiment.
Well I will give Romney the debate. Someone reinvents himself behind the podium and introduces unvetted policy would be hard to react to. Then Romney comes out like an episode of The Apprentice and starts introducing new ideas and yelling. Romney this is not the boardroom! The loudest child on the playground does not win. Now with that said the Republicans are terrible. They just CAN NOT be happy for America. Forget the red, white, and blue all those agenda seekers see is RED. Jobs are up but hey lets shift our focus OFF the economy. Lets call good news "Made up fiction". The Republican party is TAINTED.
Obama 2012
Romney 1040
Well...let's just hope that the bridge is over land and not water!! The resulting tsunami would wipe out half of the eastern seaboard!!
Anyone that loves the United States of America is rejoicing over this good news. The others are merely showing their true colors. No surprises....
Just more proof that Republicans cannot do math.
NON Socialist/Marxist
this is a totally fabricated statistic and it's sad to see that people like you and Romney keep using it.
1st, the 50% includes those who can't find a job, or a job that's consistent with a college degree - big difference.
2nd, the reality is that even in strong economic times, a sizable % of college grads is either unemployed or employed in jobs below their abilities.
The record low was still high at 41% in 2000 - and that was before the dot com bust erased job gains for college graduates in the telecom and info technology fields.
So stop taking statistics out of context. It makes them useless and makes you look like all you're doing is manipulating statistics to fit your propaganda.
DJ-306382
why weren't you preaching yesterday to all the Romney-won-1st-debate gloaters? They were bused here in truck loads yesterday. They were celebrating like Romney won the election. Why weren't you preaching to them yesterday? Or do you do it only when it's good news for Obama?
Lowering unemployment = big deal. Romney winning 1st debate not so much especially since all incumbent presidents (except Clinton) in our modern history have lost the 1st debate.
Anyone bet the GoTP will NOT say this is Obama's fault?
Everything else is, but they will say this he can take no credit for...or insist it is totally wrong, just you watch.
I bet that on November 2, Friday, the unemployment rate will be reported at 5.8%.....
Romney also downplays unicorns and glitter rainbows because -- much like these jobs numbers -- unicorns and glitter rainbows also aren't real. You can't create 114,000 jobs and have 873,000 go back to work. It's impossible. Don't believe me? Ask the experts:
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"Almost certainly a statistical fluke." - liberal economist Dean Baker, Center for Economic and Policy Research
Funny where are all the debate haters? Ohhh I know...TALK IS CHEAP!!! Money in our POCKETS is better than Romney the Masterbater
Sometimes simple follow-on questions can help drive clarity...
So why is it you see virtually NO ONE defending Romney's new found plans? I see the left criticizing the plans. I see the right criticizing the left. I see the left supporting Obama's efforts. I see NO ONE able to defend the magic mushroom economics that tripped us all up on debate night.
"My plan will cut 20% across the board". Okay, and why, exactly, do you want to do that? It drives an immediate $5 Trillion deficit that you have to dig yourself out of... JUST TO MAKE IT REVENUE NEUTRAL!
So... if it's NOT a tax increase for the middle class, and it's not a tax decrease for the rich, what the f@#k is it? Is it... a net NOTHING?
And so you picked 20%... kinda like someone we know that picked "9, 9, 9". Why 20%? Is there some science or data or history or economic brain trust behind 20%? Why not 50%? Sh!t, why not a 100% tax cut? Let's just take the "voodoo" magic of trickle down economic to it's conclusion... just give it all to the rich and see how much we all get as left-overs.
There isn't a right winger or even an under-grad economist that would stand up and defend Romney's new-found brain fart.... it's called distraction... it's called "changing the game"... it's called manipulation for the sake of manipulation and confusion.... and it worked.
We need to reverse this insanity and put his brain fart back where it began...
A flying elephant scares the hell out of me... I know the damage birds can do.
TWO of my old yuppie neighbors have new jobs, so something must be changing.
I'm getting phone calls myself, on a resume' that I put on DICE in 2002.
And some kid (meaning a guy under 30) made a bundle on commi$$ion selling me a ton of stereo stuff this morning. I bet he has a positive outlook.
Obama was in WI yesterday, with 30,000 people attending, he fired up the crowd, he called Romney on everything that he lied about. Now we are @ 7.8% unemployment, so how do you think Romney/Ryan are going to spin this one, can't wait. Fact checkers are all over Romney as they should be, especially about the 5 trillion in tax cuts he now says he never said he would give to the rich, just another day at the office for Romney!
Hello folks, while you are playing the Democrat Republican blame game the Federal Reserve and their subsidiaries are robbing us blind. While the elite continue to feed us sh!t, the sheeple are continually telling them what good cooks they are! Folks, both parties are the same serving their same masters, the Federal Reserve and Wall Street.
QE is going on all around the world and the schemes they are using is literally bizarro economics or as the banksters like to call it serving the people and doing God’s work!
QE in Europe’s latest scheme represents how the ECB can monetise the debt of “at risk” countries using
capitalthe printing press, while allowing the ECB to control inflation and the size of the money supply. In short, it appears to allow the eurozone to pay its debts with printed money and then remove it from the system at a later date – in other words the eurozone can pay its bills…then burn the money it used to pay them with.The system in principle at least allows for the payment of interest on “at risk” nation debt ( therefore controlling yield rates) and allows for the repayment of the principle capital on existing bonds. All with a ratio of printed money v. real money that would be classed as fraud if it was attempted by any organisation other than the ECB. The clever thing is that the more bonds the ECB buys, the better the ratio…..and the easier the matrix is to maintain. This can only occur if the sheeple allow themselves to be fleeced!
The viability of the ECBs balance sheet is a nonsense, as under this system it can guarantee repayment of both yields and principles on all the bonds it buys so it doesn’t have to classify them as liabilities. And once it’s been repaid with its own printed money it can remove it from the system. Bizarro economics folks!
It can effectively recapitalise the banks, recapitalise “at risk” nations, and ensure that currently stable nations stay that way….all the while ensuring that cuts the Germans want are made with little risk other than to the
peasantspopulation.And as we know already, the population doesn’t count in their calculations.
In the United States QE3 will not reduce unemployment (7.8 %, right, only in bizarre world), put money in the pockets of consumers, reflate the money supply, or significantly lower interest rates for homeowners, as alleged. It will not achieve those things because it consists of no more than an asset swap on bank balance sheets. It will not get dollars to businesses or consumers on Main Street.
The true goal of QE Infinity is to unwind the toxic mortgage debacle in a way that won’t bankrupt pensioners. If not for the bail outs anyone with anything in the stock market would have lost everything.
The challenge for Ben Bernanke and the Fed governors since the 2008 bailouts has been how to deal with the backlog of fraud – not just fraudulent mortgages and fraudulent mortgage securities but the 1.4 quadrillion derivatives piled on top and the politics of who owns them, such as sovereign nations with nuclear arsenals, and how they feel about taking massive losses on AAA paper purchased in good faith. Not to mention the 800 trillion asset manipulation via the Libor scandal. Who’s gone to prison?
On one hand, you could let them all default which is what would happen in a true free market capitalist system. The problem is the criminal liabilities would drive the global and national leadership into factionalism that could turn violent, not to mention what such defaults would do to liquidity in the corrupt financial system. Then there is the fact that a great deal of the fraudulent paper has been purchased by pension funds. So the mark down would hit the retirement savings of the people who have now also lost their homes or equity in their homes. The politics of this in an election year are terrifying for the Administration to contemplate. Lies, lies and more lies are presented to the sheeple so not to bruise their fragile sensibilities as the presidential debates serves as a distraction while banksters rob the population bind.
How can the Fed make the investors whole without wreaking havoc on the economy? Using its QE tool, it can quietly buy up toxic mortgage-backed securities (MBS) with money created on a computer screen.
The hedge fund investors will get their money back, the banks will reap their unearned profits, and Fannie and Freddie will get bailed out and wound down. But what about the homeowners? They too bought in good faith, and now they are either underwater or are losing or have lost their homes. Will they too get a break? Not a chance, they can count on the sheeple to take the blame and blame the middle class and poor through the manipulation of the corporate owned media.
The banks will make out like bandits as they have before. The never-ending backdoor bailout will keep feeding their profit margins, and the banks will keep biting the hands of the taxpayers who feed them.
Only if the banking system is under the control of the people can it be expected to serve the people.
Private sector banking has spectacularly failed – and we need a democratic public solution. But alas who will stand up to the Federal Reserve and their fractional reserve banking system? Will you?
"The unemployment rate as you noted this year has come down very, very slowly, but it’s come down none the less. The reason it’s come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work," Romney continued. "If the same share of people were participating in the workforce today as on the day the president got elected, our unemployment rate would be around 11 percent. That’s the real reality of what’s happening out there."
No, Willard, the reality is workforce participation went up in September, thus shooting your conclusion down. The country is healing from Bush. What we do not need is any more hair of the dog that bit ya. 17 out of 24 Romney advisers are recycled Bush advisers. Where do you think that will get us?
I'm stuck with thinking how screwed up the general thinking is over this election.
On the one hand, we have not had the improvement we hoped for when Obama took office, but on the other hand, unless we are hopeless Idiots, we must see that there has been a concerted effort by the Republicans to make Obama a failure even as it means failure for the country to get better than it has been since the Bush/Cheney debacle.
One does not have to be a Nobel economist to do the numbers. It's simple math. We were in position "A" when Clinton left office and we wound up eight years later at position "Z". Everything in between supports that finding.
But even as we put aside who or what was to blame, the clear facts are that the economy is slowly improving, even in the face of what is happening in world wide economics and further, and it is in spite of all the effort the Republicans and their masters have put into keeping it a failure just to get one man out of office. In my opinion, this is treasonous, a delibertae behavior that goes against Americanism.
There are many trillions of AMERICAN dollars kept offshore, out of our economy, waiting to reenter when the Far Right has rid the country of labor unions and other factors meant to keep wages livable. That money will return under Romney, should he and his win the election, and his band of crooks, when we are made ready to accept being a low wage society where there is no middle class to share with, and it will either not be taxed at all or at best a tiny number compared to what would be fair.
Instead of the old stance we had after WW2, that is, developing countries would have to raise themselves at least near to us in terms of a solid middle class that can support demacracy or we would not trade with them as to do so would mean our standard of living would have to be lowered.
SOUND FAMILIAR?
If I were King I would make it law that any goods brought into this country made elsewhere even by American Corporations, would have a duty imposed on them, so our standard can be sustained. Those that fight that sort of "protectionism" are making big money from allowing what we have now, which is dragging the America we love down in the dirt.
The Romney's of this world show us clearly they are no longer Americans in their behavior, but rather they are Internationalists taking advantage of a country that used to belong to all of us but is now owned and operated by World Wide Wealth that causes the outcome to be a very negative one for most who are Americans by example and not fakes getting by with plenty of flag waving.
Who on this blog think the Romney camp gives a sh*t for hard working Americans?
I'm not heralding the Democratic Party by any means, but before we get to fixing it, we have to deal with the impending threat ready to pounce on us in the upcoming election, that would be the party of fake conservatives.
For those that need an understanding of real conservatism, you should study the lives of Teddy Roosevelt and Ike Eisenhower. All the others for decades have been imposters.
This nation, in order to have Americanism be a winner, needs both the Liberal and Conservative views in action so an intelligent balance can be reached and maintained. We have had only moments of anything like that.
Even as I say the Democrats are not exactly ones to brag about at this juncture, they are so far less the evil than the alternative, we desperately need them in charge while the Republicans and much of the Democrats get their heads on straight and become full time and honest patriots.
OBAMA 2012
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LMarcT - Don't hold back, say what you really think! lol Well said and highly enjoyable!
Romney is suffering from a multiple personality disorder - some weird dissociative disorder that he, apparently, has no way of controlling. Maybe his meds make him bloat up and he wants to look good for the camera.
He will just pretend the numbers aren't real ... that American jobs have all gone to China ... where he, and his ilk, have shipped so many of them. He is great at hiding his head under his 700 thread count sheet and pretending that we can't see the real him as long as he doesn't look at us (the 99%).
He has said, for the camera, that he enjoys firing people. I've never heard him say he enjoys HIRING people. What a pathetic, self-indulgent, entitled liar he is! Can barely wait to hear his election night concession speech. What he says depends on which Romney personality is dominate at the time.
Heck, he may come on stage to concede the election, another of his personalities may take over, and he'll thank the 1% for electing him king.
Obama / Biden 2012
Just goes to show that if they were up you would hear about from the extreme right. Now that they are down you still hear it from the extreme right! Can't win with the nuts in the republican party!
The LIES of Communist Obama . . .
Broken Promises: Spending
NET SPENDING CUT
PROMISE: Obama Repeatedly Promised A Net Spending Cut By Going “Line By Line” Through The Federal Budget, Eliminating Programs That Don’t Work
Obama Said That His Plan Was “Cutting More Than I’m Spending So That It Will Be A Net Spending Cut.” OBAMA: “And what I’ve proposed, you’ll hear Senator McCain say, well, he’s proposing a whole bunch of new spending, but actually I’m cutting more than I’m spending so that it will be a net spending cut.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
ï‚· Obama: “Now, What I’ve Done Throughout This Campaign Is To Propose A Net Spending Cut.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
ï‚· Obama: “Every Dollar That I’ve Proposed, I’ve Proposed An Additional Cut So That It Matches.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
Obama Said That He Would “Eliminate A Whole Host Of Programs That Don’t Work.” OBAMA: “We need to eliminate a whole host of programs that don’t work. And I want to go through the federal budget line by line, page by page, programs that don’t work, we should cut. Programs that we need, we should make them work better.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
ï‚· Obama: “We’ve Got To Eliminate Programs That Don’t Work, And We’ve Got To Make Sure That The Programs That We Do Have Are More Efficient And Cost Less.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The First Presidential Debate, Oxford, MS, 9/26/08)
Obama Said As President “I Will Go Line By Line To Make Sure We Are Not Spending Money Unwisely.” OBAMA: “But let’s go back to the original point. John, nobody is denying that $18 billion is important. And, absolutely, we need earmark reform. And when I’m president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The First Presidential Debate, Oxford, MS, 9/26/08)
ï‚· Obama: “I Want To Go Line By Line Through Every Item In The Federal Budget And Eliminate Programs That Don’t Work And Make Sure That Those That Do Work, Work Better And Cheaper.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
BROKEN: Obama Has Racked Up Four Trillion Dollar Deficits And Increased Spending By 20 Percent
The Washington Times: “Far From Keeping His Promise, This Is The Largest Peacetime Increase Ever In Government Spending.” (Editorial, “Obama’s Record Of Broken Promises,” The Washington Times, 1/19/10)
Federal Outlays Have Increased By 20.4 Percent Percent Since Obama Took Office. The federal government spent $3.1 trillion in FY2008 in inflation adjusted dollars. Under Obama, in FY2012 the federal government spent $3.8 trillion dollars. (“Table 1.3 – Summary Of Receipts, Outlays And Surpluses Or Deficits In Current Dollars, Constant (FY2005) Dollars, And As Percentages Of GDP: 1940-2016,” Office Of Management And Budget, Accessed 4/12/12; “Budget Of The United States Government, Fiscal Year 2013,” Office Of Management And Budget, 2/13/12)
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ï‚· Obama Proposed FY2013 Budget Calls For Increasing Government Spending Well Above Historical Norms. From 1969 To 2008 The Federal Government Spent An Average Of 20.6 Percent Of GDP, Obama’s Proposed FY2013 Budget Calls For Spending 22.8 Percent Of GDP By FY2022. (“Table 1.2 – Summary Of Receipts, Outlays And Surpluses Or Deficits As Percentages Of GDP: 1930-2016,” Office Of Management And Budget, Accessed 4/12/12; “Budget Of The United States Government, Fiscal Year 2013,” Office Of Management And Budget, 2/13/12)
“This Is The Fourth Straight Year That The Deficit Will Exceed One Trillion Dollars, All Under President Obama.” (Erik Wasson, “CBO Says 2012 Deficit Has Reached $1.17T,” The Hill, 9/10/12)
ï‚· Obama Had Already Racked Up The Three Largest Deficits In U.S. History. “The U.S budget deficit for fiscal year 2011 is $1.299 trillion, the second largest shortfall in history. The nation only ran a larger deficit for the 2009 fiscal year, which included the dramatic collapse of financial markets and a huge bailout effort by the government.”(Erik Wasson, “Treasury Announces 2011 Deficit Is Second Highest In History,” The Hill’s “On The Money”, 10/14/11)
Congressional Budget Office: The Deficit So Far This Fiscal Year Has Reached $1.17 Trillion. “CBO estimates in its Monthly Budget Review that the Treasury Department will report a deficit of $1.17 trillion for the first 11 months of fiscal year 2012, almost $70 billion less than the deficit at the same point last year.” (“Monthly Budget Review,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/10/12)
ï‚· FY2009: The Federal Budget Deficit Was $1.413 Trillion, The Highest In U.S. History. (“Monthly Budget Review: November 2011,” Congressional Budget Office, 11/7/11)
ï‚· FY2010: The Federal Budget Deficit Was $1.294 Trillion, The Third Highest In U.S. History. (“Monthly Budget Review: November 2011,” Congressional Budget Office, 11/7/11)
ï‚· FY2011: The Federal Budget Deficit Was $1.299 Trillion, The Second Highest In U.S. History. (“Monthly Budget Review: November 2011,” Congressional Budget Office, 11/7/11)
ï‚· FY2012: The OMB Predicts The Deficit Will Be $1.211 Trillion, The Fourth Highest In U.S. History. (Office Of Management & Budget, “Mid-Session Review: FY2013,” The White House, 7/27/12)
ENTITLEMENT REFORM
PROMISE: Obama Said That He Would Take On Entitlements In His First Term As President
Obama Said “We’re Going To Have To Take On Entitlements … I’d Like To Do In The First Term As President.” OBAMA: “Well, Tom, we’re going to have to take on entitlements and I think we’ve got to do it quickly. We’re going to have a lot of work to do, so I can’t guarantee that we’re going to do it in the next two years, but I’d like to do in the my first term as president.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
BROKEN: Treasury Secretary Geithner Admitted That The President Does Not Have A Plan To Reform Entitlements
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner Admitted The Administration Doesn’t Have A Plan To Fix The Explosion Of The Federal Entitlement Programs. REP. PAUL RYAN:
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“Because we got 10,000 people retiring every day, and healthcare costs going up…” TREASURY SECRETARY TIMOTHY GEITHNER: “That’s right. We have millions of Americans retiring every day, and that will drive substantially the rate of growth of healthcare costs. You are right to say we’re not coming before you today to say we have a definitive solution to that long-term problem. What we do know is, we don’t like yours.” (Committee On The Budget, U.S. House Of Representatives, 2/16/12)
MAKING THE TOUGH DECISIONS
PROMISE: Obama Said That As President He Would Have To Make Tough Decision To Get Our Finances Into Balance
Obama: “And Because Of The Economy’s Slowing Down, I Think We Can Also Expect Less Tax Revenue So There’s No Doubt That As President I’m Go Doing Have To Make Some Tough Decision.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The First Presidential Debate, Oxford, MS, 9/26/08)
BROKEN: Obama Has Avoided Tough Decisions On The Budget
President Obama “Has Been All-Too-Willing To Avoid Making Tough Decisions.” “One of President Obama’s political weaknesses in his first term has been that he’s all-too-willing to avoid making tough decisions, hesitant to expend political capital for potential long-term gain. Throughout his first term in office, he’s had a cautious governing style, and has avoided taking on some of his party’s core constituencies.” (Josh Kraushaar, “Obama Trying To Have It Both Ways,” National Journal, 11/30/11)
ï‚· Los Angeles Times: Obama “Offers No Real Solution To The United State’s Long-Term Fiscal Problems.” “The day after the Greek Parliament approved another round of deep spending cuts in the face of violent protests, President Obama released a budget proposal for the coming fiscal year that offers no real solution to the United States’ long-term fiscal problems.” (Editorial, “What About The U.S. Debt?” Los Angeles Times, 2/14/12)
ï‚· The Washington Post: “The Final Budget Of His First Term Does Not Reflect The Leadership On Issues Of Debt And Deficit That Mr. Obama Once Vowed.” (Editorial, “Obama’s Budget Falls Short, But It Beats Many Alternatives,” The Washington Post, 2/13/12)
RESPONSIBLE BUDGETING
PROMISE: Obama Said That Washington Would Set An Example For The American People About How To Manage Their Budgets And Borrow Responsibly
Obama Said That The Government Could Set An Example By Not Running Up So Much Debt So That People Don’t Think “Well You Know What? There’s Easy Money Out There.” QUESTIONER: “How would you, as president, try to break those bad habits of too much debt and too much easy credit, specifically, across the board, for this country, not just at the federal level, but as a model for the rest of the country, as well?” OBAMA: “Well, I think it starts with Washington. We’ve got to show that we’ve got good habits, because if we’re running up trillion dollar debts that we’re passing on to the next generation, then a lot of people are going to think, ‘Well, you know what? There’s easy money out there.’” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
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ï‚· Obama Said That Everyone, Including The Government, Needed To “Embrace A Culture And An Ethic Of Responsibility” When It Comes To “Living Beyond [Our] Means.” OBAMA: “But what is absolutely true is that, once we get through this economic crisis and some of the specific proposals to get us out of this slump, that we’re not going to be able to go back to our profligate ways. And we’re going to have to embrace a culture and an ethic of responsibility, all of us, corporations, the federal government, and individuals out there who may be living beyond their means.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
ï‚· Obama On His Spending: “I Pay For Every Dime Of It.” OBAMA: “What I do is I close corporate loopholes, stop providing tax cuts to corporations that are shipping jobs overseas so that we’re giving tax breaks to companies that are investing here in the United States. I make sure that we have a health care system that allows for everyone to have basic coverage. I think those are pretty important priorities. And I pay for every dime of it.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The First Presidential Debate, Oxford, MS, 9/26/08)
BROKEN: Obama Has Racked Up More Debt Than Any Other President
Politifact: Barack Obama Is “The Undisputed Debt King Of The Last Five Presidents.” “So by this measurement -- potentially a more important one -- Obama is the undisputed debt king of the last five presidents, rather than the guy who added a piddling amount to the debt, as Pelosi’s chart suggested.” (“Nancy Pelosi Post Questionable Chart On Debt Accumulation By Barack Obama, Predecessors,” Politifact, 5/19/11)
ï‚· Obama Is Responsible For “The Most Rapid Increase In The Debt Under Any U.S. President.” “The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch. The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion. It’s the most rapid increase in the debt under any U.S. president.” (Mark Knoller, “National Debt Has Increased $4 Trillion Under Obama,” CBS News, 8/22/11)
The National Debt Is Now $16.0 Trillion Dollars. (US Department Of The Treasury, TreasuryDirect.gov, Accessed 9/28/12)
ï‚· Since President Obama Took Office, The National Debt Has Risen $5.4 Trillion, An Increase Of Over 51 Percent. (US Department Of The Treasury, TreasuryDirect.gov, Accessed 9/28/12)
“This Is The Fourth Straight Year That The Deficit Will Exceed One Trillion Dollars, All Under President Obama.” (Erik Wasson, “CBO Says 2012 Deficit Has Reached $1.17T,” The Hill, 9/10/12)
ï‚· Obama Had Already Racked Up The Three Largest Deficits In U.S. History. “The U.S budget deficit for fiscal year 2011 is $1.299 trillion, the second largest shortfall in history. The nation only ran a larger deficit for the 2009 fiscal year, which included the dramatic collapse of financial markets and a huge bailout effort by the government.”(Erik Wasson, “Treasury Announces 2011 Deficit Is Second Highest In History,” The Hill’s “On The Money”, 10/14/11)
Congressional Budget Office: The Deficit So Far This Fiscal Year Has Reached $1.17 Trillion. “CBO estimates in its Monthly Budget Review that the Treasury Department will
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report a deficit of $1.17 trillion for the first 11 months of fiscal year 2012, almost $70 billion less than the deficit at the same point last year.” (“Monthly Budget Review,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/10/12)
ï‚· FY2009: The Federal Budget Deficit Was $1.413 Trillion, The Highest In U.S. History. (“Monthly Budget Review: November 2011,” Congressional Budget Office, 11/7/11)
ï‚· FY2010: The Federal Budget Deficit Was $1.294 Trillion, The Third Highest In U.S. History. (“Monthly Budget Review: November 2011,” Congressional Budget Office, 11/7/11)
ï‚· FY2011: The Federal Budget Deficit Was $1.299 Trillion, The Second Highest In U.S. History. (“Monthly Budget Review: November 2011,” Congressional Budget Office, 11/7/11)
ï‚· FY2012: The OMB Predicts The Deficit Will Be $1.211 Trillion, The Fourth Highest In U.S. History. (Office Of Management & Budget, “Mid-Session Review: FY2013,” The White House, 7/27/12)
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Broken Promises: Changing Washington
CHANGING WASHINGTON
PROMISE: Obama Said He Would “Change The Culture Of Washington” And Put An End To Lobbyists And Special Interests Dictating Policy
Obama Said “We’ve Got To Put An End” To Lobbyists And Special Interests Dictating Policy. OBAMA: “The key is whether or not we’ve got priorities that are working for you as opposed to those who have been dictating the policy in Washington lately, and that’s mostly lobbyists and special interests. We’ve got to put an end to that.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
ï‚· Obama Said That He Would “Change The Culture In Washington” So That Lobbyists And Special Interests Weren’t “Driving The Process.” OBAMA: “But most importantly, we’re going to have to help ordinary families be able to stay in their homes, make sure that they can pay their bills, deal with critical issues like health care and energy, and we’re going to have to change the culture in Washington so that lobbyists and special interests aren’t driving the process and your voices aren’t being drowned out.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
ï‚· Obama Said He Would Think “About The Middle Class And Not Just Those Who Can Afford To Hire A Lobbyist.” OBAMA: “You need somebody working for you and you’ve got to have somebody in Washington who is thinking about the middle class and not just those who can afford to hire lobbyists.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
BROKEN: Obama’s Admitted He’s Failed To Change Washington
Obama: “The most important lesson I’ve learned is that you can’t change Washington from the inside. You can only change it from the outside.” (President Barack Obama, Univision Town Hall, Miami, FL, 9/20/12)
FactCheck.org: “[I]t’s Simply A Fact That The President Failed At ‘Bringing Democrats And Republicans Together.’” “To be sure, the president did sign the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act into law in 2010, but it wasn’t enacted by ‘bringing Democrats and Republicans together.’ The bill passed the Senate on Dec. 24, 2009, by a vote of 60-39, without any Republicans voting for it. And when the House passed its version of the bill almost three months later, by a vote of 219-212, it too garnered no support from Republicans. We won’t offer any opinion about whether one side is more to blame than the other for that, but it’s simply a fact that the president failed at ‘bringing Democrats and Republicans together.’” (D’Angelo Gore, “Promises, Promises,” Fact Check.org, 1/4/12)
The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank: “The president came here to change Washington and Washington has changed him.” (CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” 3/8/12)
Obama Has Been “Unable To Bridge A Political Divide That Had Only Grown Wider Since He Took Office With A Promise To Change The Ways Of Washington…” “A president who promised to bring the country together, who confidently presented himself
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as the transformational figure able to make that happen, now had his chance. But, like earlier policy battles, the debt ceiling negotiations revealed a divided figure, a man who remained aloof from a Congress where he once served and that he now needed. He was caught between his own aspirations for historical significance and his inherent political caution. And he was unable to bridge a political divide that had only grown wider since he took office with a promise to change the ways of Washington, underscoring the gulf between the way he campaigned and the way he had governed.” (Peter Wallsten, Lori Montgomery, and Scott Wilson, “Obama’s Evolution: Behind The Failed ‘Grand Bargain’ On The Debt,” The Washington Post, 3/17/12)
The Washington Post’s Dan Balz: “Obama Has Proven To Be A Divisive President.” “That the country is polarized is beyond question. Obama has proven to be a divisive president, despite his insistence that he is open to compromise and accommodation.” (Dan Balz, “Roberts’s Health-Care Ruling Sends A Message To Politicians,” The Washington Post, 6/30/12)
ï‚· “And, Far From Breaking A Generation-Long Partisan Standoff In Washington, Obama’s Presidency Has Been Almost Entirely Defined By It.” (John F. Harris and Jonathan Martin, “DNC 2012: Barack Obama, The Conventional President,” Politico, 9/3/12) Obama’s Failure To Transcend Washington Partisanship “Has Never Been More Glaringly Obvious.” “Candidate Barack Obama promised to transcend Washington partisanship. President Obama plummeted into it. As the House returns Tuesday for the final session of his first term, Obama’s failure to fulfill this central claim of his 2008 campaign has never been more glaringly obvious.” (Carrie Budoff Brown and Jonathan Allen, “Partisan D.C.: Obama’s Broken Promise,” Politico, 1/17/12)
BROKEN: Obama Has “Surrounded Himself With Lobbyists” And Records Show That Those With Personal Connections To The White House Enjoy The Easiest Access
“It’s Well-Known That President Barack Obama Has Surrounded Himself With Lobbyists.” (John Carney, “Obama’s Lobbyist-Heavy Administration,” CNBC, 11/1/11)
Visitor Records Show That The Lobbying Industry Has Been “A Regular Presence” At The Obama White House. “The visitor logs for Jan. 17 — one of the most recent days available — show that the lobbying industry Obama has vowed to constrain is a regular presence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.” (T.W. Farnam, “White House Visitor Logs Window Into Lobbying Industry,” The Washington Post, 5/20/12)
ï‚· “The Records Also Suggest That Lobbyists With Personal Connections To The White House Enjoy The Easiest Access.” (T.W. Farnam, “White House Visitor Logs Window Into Lobbying Industry,” The Washington Post, 5/20/12)
President Obama Has Granted Numerous Exceptions To His Lobbyist Ban. “Yet in the past few days, a number of exceptions have been granted, with the administration conceding at least two waivers and that a handful of other appointees will recuse themselves from dealing with matters on which they lobbied within the two-year window.” (Kenneth P. Vogel and Mike Allen, “Obama Finds Room For Lobbyists,” Politico, 1/30/09)
ï‚· “Only In Today’s Washington Could A President Circumvent His Own Ban On Hiring Lobbyists By Hiring The Head Of A Lobbying Firm.” (Dana Milbank, Op-Ed, “Settling In To Washington’s Ways,” The Washington Post, 3/6/12)
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PolitiFact: “We Rate Obama’s ‘Revolving Door’ Policy For Former Lobbyists His Biggest Broken Promise.” (Angie Drobnic Holan, “Not So Fast On Obama Revolving Door Policy,” PolitiFact, 1/23/09)
ï‚· PolitiFact Rated Obama’s Promise To Bar Lobbyists From His Administration As “Broken.” “We rated that one a Promise Broken because his policy has substantial loopholes that have allowed Obama to essentially decide when he wants to ignore the rule. He’s right that on his first day in office, he signed an executive order to bar lobbyists from his administration. But the order also included a loophole — a ‘waiver’ clause that allows former lobbyists to serve. Waivers are granted by the administration itself, so they are little more than the administration saying it’s okay for the lobbyist to work for the administration.” (“Obama Says Lobbyists Have Been Excluded From Policy-Making Jobs,” PolitiFact, 10/7/11)
White House Officials Met "Hundreds Of Times" With Lobbyists At A Coffee Shop Across The Street From The White House. “Here at the Caribou on Pennsylvania Avenue, and a few other nearby coffee shops, White House officials have met hundreds of times over the last 18 months with prominent K Street lobbyists -- members of the same industry that President Obama has derided for what he calls its ‘outsized influence’ in the capital.” (Eric Lichtblau, "Across From White House, Coffee With Lobbyists," The New York Times, 6/24/10)
ï‚· Administration Officials Also Meet With Lobbyists At “A Complex Just Off The White House Grounds.” “Caught between their boss’s anti-lobbyist rhetoric and the reality of governing, President Barack Obama’s aides often steer meetings with lobbyists to a complex just off the White House grounds – and several of the lobbyists involved say they believe the choice of venue is no accident.” (Chris Frates, “Lobbyists: W.H. Hides Meetings Off-Site,” Politico, 2/24/11)
ï‚· The Meetings Are Being Held Off-Grounds So That The White House Visitor Logs Would Not Be “Released To The Public And Embarrass The President” “Some lobbyists suspected they were being kept outside the gates for political, rather than logistical, reasons. ‘My understanding was they were holding the meeting there because it included several high-level business and trade association lobbyists,’ said a senior business lobbyist who attended the meeting. ‘This was an effort to not have to go through the security protocols at the White House which could lead to the visitor logs at some point being released to the public and embarrass the president.’” (Chris Frates, “Lobbyists: W.H. Hides Meetings Off-Site,” Politico, 2/24/11)
ï‚· Jeff Smith, White House Senior Adviser To The Director Of The Office Of Science And Technology Policy, Offered To Meet With Jim Kirkland Of GPS Industry Outside Of The White House To Avoid Appearing In Visitor Logs. “Other emails released on Tuesday show Jeff Smith, a senior adviser to the director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy, offering to meet with Jim Kirkland, an executive from the GPS industry, off the White House grounds. LightSquared clashed with the GPS industry for years as it tried to get approval to use frequencies near those used by GPS. Republicans have alleged that contracts for LightSquared, which was backed by several major Democratic donors, had received preferential treatment from the White House.” (Jennifer Epstein, “GOP: W.H., Messina ‘Failed’ On Transparency,” Politico, 7/31/12)
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ï‚· Smith: “You’d Appear On An Official WH Visitor List Which Is Maybe Not Want [Sic] You Want At This Stage…” “‘Jim – coffee at Caribou Coffee – across the corner from the WH – would work at 11:30 a.m. on Friday…plus getting you through the new WH security rules these days almost takes an act of Congress almost (and you know how well that’s going these days),’ Smith wrote. ‘[P]lus you’d appear on an official WH Visitor List which is maybe not want [sic] you want at this stage …’” (Jennifer Epstein, “GOP: W.H., Messina ‘Failed’ On Transparency,” Politico, 7/31/12)
BROKEN: Obama Gives Access To Top Donors
University of Virginia Professor Larry Sabato: “Let’s Call It What It Is – Selling Access.”(Kimberly Schwandt, “Obama’s Tricky Campaign Cash: Insider Fundraising Events And Wooing Wall Street,” Fox News, 7/21/11)
Obama Awards Top Donors With “VIP Access To The White House.” “During his first nine months in office, President Obama has quietly rewarded scores of top Democratic donors with VIP access to the White House, private briefings with administration advisers and invitations to important speeches and town-hall meetings… High-dollar fundraisers have been promised access to senior White House officials in exchange for pledges to donate $30,400 personally or to bundle $300,000 in contributions ahead of the 2010 midterm elections, according to internal Democratic National Committee documents obtained by The Washington Times.” (Matthew Mosk, “EXCLUSIVE: Democratic Donors Rewarded With W.H. Perks,” The Washington Times, 10/28/09)
Obama’s Biggest Donors Are “Far More Likely to Visit The White House Than Others.” “More broadly, the review showed that those who donated the most to Mr. Obama and the Democratic Party since he started running for president were far more likely to visit the White House than others.” (Mike McIntire and Michael Luo, “White House Opens Door To Big Donors, And Lobbyists Slip In,” The New York Times, 4/4/12)
ï‚· Among Donors Who Gave $30,000 Or Less To Obama, About 20 Percent Have Visited The White House. “Among donors who gave $30,000 or less, about 20 percent visited the White House, according to a New York Times analysis that matched names in the visitor logs with donor records.” (Mike McIntire and Michael Luo, “White House Opens Door To Big Donors, And Lobbyists Slip In,” The New York Times, 4/4/12)
ï‚· “But Among Those Who Donated $100,000 Or More, The Figure Rises To About 75 Percent.” (Mike McIntire and Michael Luo, “White House Opens Door To Big Donors, And Lobbyists Slip In,” The New York Times, 4/4/12)
ï‚· “Approximately Two-Thirds Of The President’s Top Fund-Raisers In The 2008 Campaign Visited The White House At Least Once, Some Of Them Numerous Times.” (Mike McIntire and Michael Luo, “White House Opens Door To Big Donors, And Lobbyists Slip In,” The New York Times, 4/4/12)
The Regular Appearance Of Big Donors “Underscores How Political Contributions Continue To Lubricate Many Of The Interactions Between Officials And Their Guests.” “But the regular appearance of big donors inside the White House underscores how political contributions continue to lubricate many of the interactions between officials and their guests, if for no other reason than that donors view the money as useful for getting a
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foot in the door.” (Mike McIntire and Michael Luo, “White House Opens Door To Big Donors, And Lobbyists Slip In,” The New York Times, 4/4/12)
Obama’s Top Fundraisers Show “How Money Helps Win Influence And Access To Power In Washington.” “As President Barack Obama ramps up his campaign for a second term, many of his top fundraisers are showing how money helps win influence and access to power in Washington.” (Fred Schulte and Aaron Mehta, “Obama Rainmakers Enjoy White House Invites, Appointments And Contracts,” iWatch News, 1/23/12)
Under Obama, “Big Bundlers” Are Replacing Big Donors As The Ones Who Get “Special Access And Influence.” “‘It used to be before we had contribution limits, that it was people who gave very large contributions who got special access and influence,’ said Fred Wertheimer, president of the group Democracy 21. ‘The big donors have been replaced by big bundlers.’” (Byron Tau and Ben Smith, “Many Bundlers Have Administration Business Ties,” Politico, 7/21/11)
ï‚· Bundling For Obama “Offers Executives Another Path To Top-Level Access.” “Though Obama has refused to take contributions from lobbyists or political action committees, the rise of bundlers – the key players in contemporary fundraising – offers executives another path to top-level access.” (Byron Tau and Ben Smith, “Many Bundlers Have Administration Business Ties,” Politico, 7/21/11)
“At Least 250 Of Obama’s Major Fundraisers And Donors Visited The White House At Least Once, Being Cleared For Events Like Dinners Or One-On-One Meetings With Senior Advisers.” “The AP’s review compared more than 470 of Obama’s most important financial supporters against logs of 2 million visitors to the White House since mid-2009. It found that at least 250 of Obama’s major fundraisers and donors visited the White House at least once, being cleared for events like dinners or one-on-one meetings with senior advisers.” (Jack Gillum, “Obama ‘Super’ PAC Donors Among White House Guests,” The Associated Press, 3/26/12)
ï‚· “More Than 60 Of Obama’s Biggest Campaign Donors Have Visited The White House More Than Once For Meetings With Top Advisors, Holiday Parties Or State Dinners.” “President Barack Obama is using privileged access to one of America’s greatest landmarks to reward his most generous financial supporters in ways that Republicans Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum can’t match: More than 60 of Obama’s biggest campaign donors have visited the White House more than once for meetings with top advisers, holiday parties or state dinners, a review by The Associated Press has found.” (Jack Gillum, “Obama ‘Super’ PAC Donors Among White House Guests,” The Associated Press, 3/26/12)
ï‚· Even Top Donors To Obama’s Super PAC Have Made “Repeated Trips To The White House.” “Top donors to the super PAC supporting Obama, like Chicago investment manager John W. Rogers Jr. and according to finance reports, while also making repeated trips to the White House.” (Jack Gillum, “Obama ‘Super’ PAC Donors Among White House Guests,” The Associated Press, 3/26/12)
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Broken Promise: College Costs
MAKING COLLEGE MORE AFFORDABLE
PROMISE: Obama Said He Would Make College More Affordable
Obama: “And One Of The Things I Think We Have To Do Is Make Sure That College Is Affordable For Every Young Person In America.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The First Presidential Debate, Oxford, MS, 9/26/08)
ï‚· Obama Decried The Amount Of Debt That College Students Needed To Take On To Get Through School. OBAMA: “And I think it’s important for us to make college affordable. Right now, I meet young people all across the country who either have decided not to go to college or if they’re going to college, they are taking on $20,000, $30,000, $50,000, $60,000 worth of debt, and it’s very difficult for them to go into some fields, like basic research in science, for example, thinking to themselves that they’re going to have a mortgage before they even buy a house.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
ï‚· Obama Proposed A $4,000 Tuition Credit In Exchange For Community Service. OBAMA: “And that’s why I’ve proposed a $4,000 tuition credit, every student, every year, in exchange for some form of community service, whether it’s military service, whether it’s Peace Corps, whether it’s working in a community.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
BROKEN: Obama Has Failed To Make College More Affordable And Students Now Graduate With More Debt Than Ever Before
The Cost Of College Is Currently At “An All Time High.” “Nationally, the cost of a full credit load has passed $8,000, an all-time high. Throw in room and board, and the average list price for a state school now runs more than $17,000 a year, according to the twin annual reports on college costs and student aid published Wednesday by the College Board.” (Justin Pope, “College Prices Up Again As States Slash Budgets,” The Associated Press, 10/26/11)
In The Past Year, Tuition For In-State Public College Rose 8.3 Percent. “Published in-state tuition and fees at public four-year institutions average $8,244 in 2011-12, $631 (8.3%) higher than in 2010-11. Average total charges, including tuition and fees and room and board, are $17,131, up 6.0% from 2010-11.” (“Trends In College Pricing 2011,” College Board, 2011-12)
ï‚· In The Past Year, Tuition For Public Two-Year Colleges Rose 8.7 Percent. “Published tuition and fees at public two-year colleges average $2,963, $236 (8.7%) higher than in 2010-11.” (“Trends In College Pricing 2011,” College Board, 2011-12)
The Cost Of College Has Increased “Faster Than The Rate Of Inflation” And If The Current Trend Continues, The Cost Of College “Will Have More Than Doubled In Just 15 Years.” “Nationally, state and local spending per college student, adjusted for inflation, reached a 25-year low this year, jeopardizing the long-held conviction that state-subsidized higher education is an affordable steppingstone for the lower and middle classes. All the while, the cost of tuition and fees has continued to increase faster than the rate of inflation, faster even than medical spending. If the trends continue through 2016, the average cost of
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a public college will have more than doubled in just 15 years, according to the Department of Education.” (Andrew Martin and Andrew W. Lehren, “A Generation Hobbled By The Soaring Cost Of College,” The New York Times, 5/12/12)
BROKEN: Under Obama, A Record Number Of U.S. Households Have Student Loan Debt
Student Debt Has Stretched To A Record Number Of U.S. Households - Nearly 1 In 5.” “With college enrollment growing, student debt has stretched to a record number of U.S. households - nearly 1 in 5 - with the biggest burdens falling on the young and poor.” (Hope Yen, “Student Debt Stretches To Record 1 In 5 Households,” The Associated Press, 9/27/12)
The Share Of Households With Student Loan Debt Has “Increased Sharply.” “Even as the nation’s households have reduced their total debt in recent years, the share that owes student loans has increased sharply, an analysis of the latest available Federal Reserve data shows.” (Mary Beth Marklein, “Report Shows Increase In Those With Student Debt, Loans,” USA Today, 9/27/12)
ï‚· “22.4 Million Households, Or 19 Percent, Had College Debt In 2010… Up From 15 Percent In 2007.” “The analysis by the Pew Research Center found that 22.4 million households, or 19 percent, had college debt in 2010. That is double the share in 1989, and up from 15 percent in 2007, just prior to the recession - representing the biggest three-year increase in student debt in more than two decades.” (Hope Yen, “Student Debt Stretches To Record 1 In 5 Households,” The Associated Press, 9/27/12)
“Across All Households, The Average Outstanding College Debt Increased From $23,349 To $26,682.” “Across all households, the average outstanding college debt increased from $23,349 to $26,682. For the poorest 20 percent of households, the average debt rose from $19,018 to $20,640.” (Hope Yen, “Student Debt Stretches To Record 1 In 5 Households,” The Associated Press, 9/27/12)
A New Report By The Department Of Education And CFPB Reports Outstanding Student Loan Debt Totals More Than $1 Trillion. “As in the housing market, securitization of student loans led to more aggressive underwriting for borrowers who could not possibly afford the debt they took on, according to a government report. The 131-page report was formally released by the Education Department and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau on Friday. It provides new estimates for total outstanding student loan debt: more than $1 trillion in 2011, composed of $864 billion in federal government loans and $150 billion in private student loan debt. Cumulative defaults on private student loans exceeded $8 billion, a sum from over 850,000 distinct loans.” (Catherine Rampell, “Report Details Woes Of Student Loan Debt,” The New York Times, 7/20/12)
ï‚· Student Loans Have “Surpassed Credit Card Debt As The Biggest Source Of Unsecured Debt For U.S. Consumers.” “It has surpassed credit card debt as the biggest source of unsecured debt for U.S. consumers.” (Daniel Wagner, “Study: Student Loans Went To People Who Couldn’t Repay,” The Associated Press, 7/20/12)
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Broken Promises: Energy
ENERGY INDEPENDENCE
PROMISE: Obama Promised To Free The Nation From Foreign Oil In 10 Years
Obama Said “Our Goal Should Be, In 10 Year’s Time, We Are Free Of Dependence On Middle Eastern Oil.” OBAMA: “So we’ve got to deal with that right away. That’s why I’ve called for an investment of $15 billion a year over 10 years. Our goal should be, in 10 year’s time, we are free of dependence on Middle Eastern oil.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
ï‚· Obama: “I Think That In Ten Years, We Can Reduce Our Dependence So That We No Longer Have To Import Oil From The Middle East Or Venezuela. I Think That’s About A Realistic Timeframe.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
ï‚· Obama Said Borrowing From China To Buy Foreign Oil Was “Mortgaging Our Children’s Future.” OBAMA: “But nothing is more important than us no longer borrowing $700 billion or more from China and sending it to Saudi Arabia. It’s mortgaging our children’s future.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
BROKEN: Obama Has Admitted That He Doesn’t Have An Energy Policy In Place That Can Free Us From Dependence On Foreign Oil
Obama In His Own Words: “We Still Don’t Have All The Energy Policies In Place That We Need To Free Ourselves From Dependence On Foreign Oil And Adequately Deal With Climate Change.” “We still don’t have all the energy policies in place that we need to free ourselves from dependence on foreign oil and adequately deal with climate change, despite the fact that we’ve doubled fuel economy standards on cars and made enormous progress on clean energy -- and that means that I’m going to need another term to finish the job.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks At Campaign Event, New York, NY, 11/30/11)
ï‚· Obama In His Own Words: “We Haven’t Had An Energy Policy In This Country That Makes Sense And Frees Ourselves From Dependence On Foreign Oil.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks By The President On The American Jobs Act, Millers Creek, NC, 10/17/11)
ï‚· FactCheck.org: “[T]he U.S. Is Still A Long Way From Being Free Of The ‘Tyranny Of Oil Once And For All,’ As Obama Said.” (D’Angelo Gore, “Promises, Promises,” FactCheck.org, 1/4/12) “The United States Is Increasing Its Dependence On Oil From Saudi Arabia, Raising Its Imports From The Kingdom By More Than 20 Percent This Year …” “The United States is increasing its dependence on oil from Saudi Arabia, raising its imports from the kingdom by more than 20 percent this year, even as fears of military conflict in the tinderbox Persian Gulf region grow. The increase in Saudi oil exports to the United States began slowly last summer and has picked up pace this year. Until then, the United States had decreased its dependence on foreign oil and from the Gulf in particular.” (Clifford Krauss, “U.S. Reliance On Oil From Saudi Arabia Is Growing Again,” The New York Times, 8/17/12)
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5 MILLION NEW GREEN ENERGY JOBS
PROMISE: Obama Said His Investments In Green Energy Would Create Five Million New Jobs
Obama: “If We Create A New Energy Economy, We Can Create Five Million New Jobs, Easily, Here In The United States.” OBAMA: “And it is absolutely critical that we understand this is not just a challenge, it’s an opportunity, because if we create a new energy economy, we can create five million new jobs, easily, here in the United States.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
ï‚· Obama Said That Those Five Million Jobs Would Be Created Retooling Plants To Make Fuel-Efficient Vehicles, Wind Turbines And Solar Panels. OBAMA: “If we can get that right, then we can move in a direction not only of energy independence, but we can create 5 million new jobs all across America, including in the heartland where we can retool some of these plants to make these highly fuel-efficient cars and also to make wind turbines and solar panels, the kinds of clean energy approaches that should be the driver of our economy for the next century.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
BROKEN: Obama’s Green Energy Jobs Never Showed Up And Their Efforts To Count Them Have Provided Laughable Results
“The Green Economy Is Not Proving To Be The Job-Creation Engine That Many Politicians Envisioned.” “In the Bay Area as in much of the country, the green economy is not proving to be the job-creation engine that many politicians envisioned. President Obama once pledged to create five million green jobs over 10 years. Gov. Jerry Brown promised 500,000 clean-technology jobs statewide by the end of the decade. But the results so far suggest such numbers are a pipe dream.” (Aaron Glantz, “Number Of Green Jobs Fails To Live Up To Promises,” The New York Times, 8/18/11)
ï‚· “The Millions Of ‘Green Jobs’ Obama Promised Have Been Slow To Sprout…” “But the millions of ‘green jobs’ Obama promised have been slow to sprout, disappointing many who had hoped that the $90 billion earmarked for clean-energy efforts in the recession-fighting federal stimulus package would ease unemployment - still above 8 percent in March.” (Andy Sullivan, “Analysis: Obama’s ‘Green Jobs’ Have Been Slow To Sprout,” Reuters, 4/13/12)
In The Utilities Industry, Electricity Generated By Renewable Energy Sources Accounted For Only 4,700 Private Sector Jobs: 2,200 In Wind, 1,100 In Biomass, 600 In Geothermal, And 400 In Solar. “The other electric power generation industry, which includes electricity generated from biomass, sunlight, wind, and other renewable sources, had 4,700 GGS private sector jobs. Within this industry, electricity generated from wind had the highest employment with 2,200 jobs, followed by biomass with 1,100 jobs, geothermal with 600 jobs, and solar with 400 jobs.” (“Employment In Green Goods And Services – 2010,” Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 3/22/12)
BLS Acting Commissioner John Galvin Confirmed That School Bus Drivers, Record Store Clerks, Bicycle Repair Shops, Garbage Men, Railroad Car Manufacturers, Antique Dealers And Even Oil Lobbyists Are Counted As Green Jobs. (Hearing Addressing
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Concerns About The Integrity Of The U.S. Department Of Labor’s Jobs Reporting, Washington D.C., House Committee On Oversight And Government Reform, 6/6/12)
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Broken Promises: Foreign Policy
RESTORING AMERICA’S STANDING IN THE WORLD
PROMISE: Obama Promised That “One Of The Things That I Intend To Do As President Is To Restore America’s Standing In The World”
Obama Promised That “One Of The Things That I Intend To Do As President Is To Restore America’s Standing In The World.” OBAMA: “And one last point I want to make. It is important for us to understand that the way we are perceived in the world is going to make a difference, in terms of our capacity to get cooperation and root out terrorism. And one of the things that I intend to do as president is to restore America’s standing in the world. We are less respected now than we were eight years ago or even four years ago.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The First Presidential Debate, Oxford, MS, 9/26/08)
BROKEN: Obama Has Not Restored America’s Standing In The World
Obama Has “Not Managed To Radically Transform America’s Standing In The World Through The Illuminating Force Of His Biography Or Personality.” “When presidential candidate Barack Obama swept into Europe in 2008, television screens showed massive, adoring crowds. But the latest TV images from abroad are far more ominous: mobs in the Muslim world besieging U.S. embassies, torching American flags and even burning Obama himself in effigy. The two sets of images show a gap between aspirations and reality: A president who is popular overseas has not managed to radically transform America’s standing in the world through the illuminating force of his biography or personality.” (Josh Gerstein, “World’s Obama Fever Cools,” Politico, 9/21/12)
Obama’s International Popularity “Has Dimmed In Much Of The World,” “As Obama prepares to stand for reelection, the surge in good feeling toward the U.S. that he ushered in has dimmed in much of the world. And evidence is scant that his popularity has advanced U.S. interests with America’s allies or its adversaries in a tangible way.” (Josh Gerstein, “World’s Obama Fever Cools,” Politico, 9/21/12)
ï‚· Global Opinion Of Obama’s International Policies “Has Declined Dramatically Since 2009.” “Global opinion of President Barack Obama has declined dramatically since 2009, according to a new survey of the president and his policies in 21 countries. Approval of Obama’s international policies has dropped from 78 percent to 63 percent in Europe; from 34 percent to 15 percent in Muslim Countries; from 40 percent to 22 percent in Russia; and from 57 percent to 27 percent in China, reports the Pew Global Attitudes Project.” (Tim Mak, “World Poll: Chill On Obama Policies,” Politico, 6/13/12)
ï‚· Only 20 Percent Of Adults In 12 Countries Across The Middle East And North Africa Approve Of Obama’s Leadership. “Approval of U.S. leadership in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region was already slipping before the recent wave of anti-U.S. protests across the region. An average of 20% of adults across 12 MENA countries Gallup surveyed between January and May 2012 approved of the job performance of the leadership of the U.S. This rating was down from 22% in 2011 and 25% during the first two years of President Barack Obama’s term.” (Jan Sonnenschein and Mohamed Younis, “U.S. Approval Eroding In MENA Before Film Controversy,” Gallup, 9/24/12)
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Under Obama, “America’s Image Is Again In Decline, Especially In The Middle East.” “But while polls show Obama remains personally popular in many parts of the world, America’s image is again in decline, especially in the Middle East, the focus of intense personal outreach at the start of the president’s term.” (Matt Spetalnick, “Obama Foreign Policy Bright Spot Now Looking Dimmer,” Reuters, 9/23/12)
CHINESE CURRENCY MANIPULATION
PROMISE: Obama Said He Would Label China A Currency Manipulator
Obama: “In The Same Way That We Should Enforce Rules Against China Manipulating Its Currency To Make Our Exports More Expensive And Their Exports To Us Cheaper.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
BROKEN: Obama Said Labeling China A Currency Manipulator Would Have No Effect And That He Didn’t Want To “Embarrass” China
Asked About China’s Currency Manipulation And Unfair Trade Practices, Obama Said That He Did Not Want To “Embarrass” China. “President Barack Obama, addressing questions Wednesday about China’s alleged trade abuses and currency manipulation, said the United States must push back against unfair practices but not ‘go out of our way to embarrass’ the country. Doing so would risk ‘an all-out trade war,’ Obama told The Plain Dealer in an exclusive interview.” (Henry Gomez, “President Barack Obama Warns Against Embarrassing China On Trade Complaints: Plain Dealer Interview,” Cleveland Plain Dealer, 9/27/12)
Obama Claimed That Labeling China As A Currency Manipulator Would Have No Effect On Their Trade Practices. “Asked if the tag would present the embarrassment he is hoping to spare China, Obama suggested that the designation would accomplish little. ‘They’d have to push back, and there’s no automatic trigger that results from it,’ Obama said. ‘So the only thing that happens is we then have to go back and negotiate with them. The key here is just constant pressure, and that’s what we’ve applied in a much more aggressive way than the previous administration.’” (Henry Gomez, “President Barack Obama Warns Against Embarrassing China On Trade Complaints: Plain Dealer Interview,” Cleveland Plain Dealer, 9/27/12)
The Treasury Department Said That China “Did Not Meet The Definition Of A Currency Manipulator Under Its Standards.” “The Treasury Department on Friday once again declined to name China a currency manipulator despite bipartisan calls for action from Congress. Treasury noted that China’s currency has appreciated against the dollar since June 2010, and said it did not meet the definition of a currency manipulator under its standards.” (Julian Pecquet, “Treasury: China Not Manipulating Currency,” The Hill, 5/25/12)
ï‚· Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH): “Once Again, The U.S. Treasury Department Has Given China A Free Pass When It Comes To Its Currency Manipulation.” “‘Once again, the U.S. Treasury Department has given China a free pass when it comes to its currency manipulation,’ Brown said. ‘While we’re seeing American manufacturing rebound, China is stepping up its efforts in a number of critical sectors, including clean and solar energy, advanced manufacturing, and auto parts. Addressing China’s currency manipulation is critical to our economic recovery and for job gains, and despite wide bipartisan support in the Senate for legislation that tackles this issue, the U.S. House has failed to act. Speaker Boehner should bring the Currency
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Exchange and Oversight Reform Act to the floor as soon as possible.’” (Press Release, “Treasury Giving China A ‘Free Pass’ On Currency Manipulation,” Senator Sherrod Brown, 5/25/12)
ï‚· Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY): “The Administration Continues To Let China Get Away With Flouting Trade Rules Just For The Sake Of Diplomacy.” “Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who has been sponsored legislation that would punish Chinese imports for the undervalued currency, also criticized the administration’s report. ‘The administration continues to let China get away with flouting trade rules just for the sake of diplomacy. Calling out China as a manipulator may be awkward, but it is time to take off the kid glove,’ he said in a statement. ‘With the administration continuing to balk on this, it’s up to Congress to act. The Senate has passed bipartisan legislation to confront China and stand up for American workers, and Speaker Boehner needs to stop sitting on it and give it a vote.’” (Julian Pecquet, “Treasury: China Not Manipulating Currency,” The Hill, 5/25/12)
Once In Office, Obama Retreated From His “Tough Talk” On The Campaign Trail And Decided Not To Label China A Currency Manipulator. “The Treasury Department on Wednesday declined to label China a currency manipulator, retreating from tough talk last year when a campaigning Barack Obama said Beijing had kept its currency’s exchange rate unfairly low.” (Glenn Somerville and Doug Palmer, “U.S. Again Declines To Brand China Currency Manipulator,” Reuters, 4/25/09)
ï‚· In May 2012, The Treasury Department Said That China “Did Not Meet The Definition Of A Currency Manipulator Under Its Standards.” “The Treasury Department on Friday once again declined to name China a currency manipulator despite bipartisan calls for action from Congress. Treasury noted that China’s currency has appreciated against the dollar since June 2010, and said it did not meet the definition of a currency manipulator under its standards.” (Julian Pecquet, “Treasury: China Not Manipulating Currency,” The Hill’s “Global Affairs” Blog, 5/25/12)
The Washington Post: “China’s Policy Has Probably Cost Americans Hundreds Of Thousands Of Jobs And Contributed To China’s Destabilizing Pile Of Trillions Of Dollars In Reserves.” “China’s undervalued renminbi is a long-standing, bipartisan concern, and it is not a phony one: In pursuit of growth led by exports, China has held the renminbi down in relation to the dollar, rendering its goods artificially cheap in the U.S. market. The renminbi would gain about 20 percent against the dollar if it were allowed to float freely like other currencies, according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics. China’s policy has probably cost Americans hundreds of thousands of jobs and contributed to China’s destabilizing pile of trillions of dollars in reserves.” (Editorial, “Breaking China? Last Thing Needed Is A Trade War,” The Washington Post, 9/1/11)
ï‚· Obama’s Failure To Confront China Cost The United States 450,000 Jobs From 2008 To 2010. “American jobs have been shifting to low-wage countries for years, and the trend has continued during Obama’s presidency. From 2008 to 2010, U.S. trade with China alone cost about 450,000 American jobs because of the growth of Chinese exports, said Robert E. Scott, a pro-labor advocate at the liberal Economic Policy Institute. That figure was less than in previous years, but the decrease was probably tied to the U.S. economic slowdown, which crimped demand for imports. ‘I think he has walked away from the campaign commitments,’ said Scott, the institute’s director of trade and manufacturing policy research. ‘He has done far too
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little to improve U.S. trade.’” (Tom Hamburger, Carol D. Leonnig and Zachary A. Goldfarb, “Obama’s Record On Outsourcing Draws Criticism From The Left,” The Washington Post, 7/9/12)
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Broken Promises: Health Care
LOWER HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS BY $2,500
PROMISE: Obama Said His Health Care Overhaul Would Lower Premiums By $2,500 A Year
Obama Said “We’re Going To Work With Your Employer To Lower The Cost Of Your Premiums By Up To $2,500 A Year.” OBAMA: “So here’s what I would do. If you’ve got health care already, and probably the majority of you do, then you can keep your plan if you are satisfied with it. You can keep your choice of doctor. We’re going to work with your employer to lower the cost of your premiums by up to $2,500 a year.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
BROKEN: ObamaCare Is Actually Making Health Care “Less Affordable”
Under Obama, The Average Cost Of Family Health Care Premiums Has Increased By $3,065 From $12,680 To $15,745, A 24.2 Percent Increase. (“Employer Health Benefits, 2012 Annual Survey, Exhibit 6.4” The Kaiser Family Foundation, 2012)
ï‚· Under Obama, Families Pay An Average Of $255 More On Monthly Health Care Premiums. (“Employer Health Benefits; 2012 Annual Survey,” The Kaiser Family Foundation, 9/11/12; “Employer Health Benefits; 2008 Annual Survey,” The Kaiser Family Foundation, 9/11/12)
ï‚· Under Obama, Americans Pay An Average Of $76 More On Monthly Health Care Premiums. (“Employer Health Benefits; 2012 Annual Survey,” The Kaiser Family Foundation, 9/11/12; “Employer Health Benefits; 2008 Annual Survey,” The Kaiser Family Foundation, 9/11/12)
FactCheck.org: Obama Care “Falls Short Of Making Health Care ‘Affordable And Available To Every Single American,’ As Promised.” “Furthermore, the law falls short of making health care ‘affordable and available to every single American,’ as promised. The law provides subsidies to help some Americans buy insurance, expands Medicaid and doesn’t allow insurance companies to exclude persons with preexisting conditions. But still, the director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected 23 million persons will remain uninsured — some because they can’t afford coverage.” (D’Angelo Gore, “Promises, Promises,” FactCheck.org, 1/4/12)
FactCheck.org: Obama Care Is Actually Making Health Care “Less Affordable.” “At the moment, the new law is making health care slightly less affordable. Independent health care experts say the law has caused some insurance premiums to rise. As we wrote in October, the new law has caused about a 1 percent to 3 percent increase in health insurance premiums for employer-sponsored family plans because of requirements for increased benefits. Last year’s premium increases cast even more doubt on another promise the president has made — that the health care law would ‘lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.’” (D’Angelo Gore, “Promises, Promises,” Fact Check.org, 1/4/12)
IF YOU LIKE YOUR HEALTH CARE PLAN, YOU CAN KEEP IT
PROMISE: Obama Promised That If You Liked Your Health Care Plan, You Could Keep It
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Obama Promised, That Under His Health Care Plan “If You’ve Got A Health Care Plan That You Like, You Can Keep It.” OBAMA: “Number one, let me just repeat, if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I’m going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor. There’s no mandate involved.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
ï‚· Obama Said You Could “Keep Your Health Insurance, Keep Your Choice Of Doctor, Keep Your Plan.” OBAMA: “So here’s what my plan does. If you have health insurance, then you don’t have to do anything. If you’ve got health insurance through your employer, you can keep your health insurance, keep your choice of doctor, keep your plan.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
ï‚· Obama: “All I Want To Do, If You’ve Already Got Health Care, Is Lower Your Costs.” OBAMA: “Very briefly. You all just heard my plan. If you’ve got an employer-based health care plan, you keep it. Now, under Senator McCain’s plan there is a strong risk that people would lose their employer-based health care. That’s the choice you’ll have is having your employer no longer provide you health care. And don’t take my word for it. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which generally doesn’t support a lot of Democrats, said that this plan could lead to the unraveling of the employer-based health care system. All I want to do, if you’ve already got health care, is lower your costs. That includes you, Joe.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
BROKEN: The Congressional Budget Office Found That ObamaCare Could Cause As Many As 20 Million Americans To Lose Their Employer-Provided Health Care Plan
Americans Are Finding Out That Obama’s “Keep Your Plan” Promise Is Just Not True. “President Barack Obama promised over and over during the health care debate that ‘if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.’ It turns out that, for a lot of people, that isn’t true.” (David Nather, “4 Hard Truths Of Health Care Reform,” Politico, 3/16/12)
ï‚· Medicare Chief Actuary Richard Foster Said That It Was “Not True In All Cases” That People Would Be Able To Keep Their Coverage If They Wanted To. “Foster was asked by Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Calif., for a simple true or false response on two of the main assertions made by supporters of the law: that it will bring down unsustainable medical costs and will let people keep their current health insurance if they like it. On the costs issue, ‘I would say false, more so than true,’ Foster responded. As for people getting to keep their coverage, ‘not true in all cases.’” (“Medicare Official Doubts Health Care Law Savings,” The Associated Press, 1/26/11)
ï‚· Congressional Budget Office Found That ObamaCare Could Cause As Many As 20 Million Americans To Lose Their Employer-Provided Health Care Plan. “As many as 20 million Americans could lose their employer-provided healthcare because of President Obama’s healthcare reform law, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said in a new report Thursday.” (Julian Pecquet, “CBO: Millions Of Americans Could Lose Their Employer Coverage,” The Hill’s “Health Watch,” 3/15/12)
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Broken Promise: Housing
HELPING HOMEOWNERS DURING FORECLOSURE CRISIS
PROMISE: Obama Cited Foreclosures As “The Root” Of The Financial Crisis And Promised To Help Struggling Homeowners
Obama Said That Foreclosures Were “The Root Problem” And That “We’ve Got To Make Sure That We’re Helping Homeowners.” OBAMA: “And, number four, we’ve got to make sure that we’re helping homeowners, because the root problem here has to do with the foreclosures that are taking place all across the country.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The First Presidential Debate, Oxford, MS, 9/26/08)
BROKEN: Obama’s Housing Policies Have Failed To Stem The Tide Of Foreclosures Or Help Homeowners
Obama Has “Had Limited Success With The Promises That Would Have Provided The Biggest Help To Homeowners.” “But he’s had limited success with the promises that would have provided the biggest help to homeowners, according to five experts we interviewed. A temporary foreclosure moratorium happened in early 2009. It’s not clear, though, that it ultimately kept many people out of foreclosure” (Molly Moorhead, “President Barack Obama’s Efforts To Help Foreclosure Crisis Have Fallen Short,” Politifact, 5/28/12) “For Thus Far, This Administration’s Failures -- In Domestic Policy At Least -- Are More The Product Of Doing Too Little Too Late, Than Of Doing Too Much Too Soon. Nowhere Is That Failure Clearer Than In The Administration’s Inept Handling Of The Home Foreclosure Crisis.” (David Coates, “The Unfinished Business Of The Obama Administration: The Foreclosure Crisis,” The Huffington Post, 7/10/12) “Of Course, The White House Has Made Big Promises Before About Helping Homeowners, Only To See Them Disappoint Time And Again.” “The Obama administration recently unveiled a string of proposals to help struggling homeowners and get the housing market back on its feet — part of the administration’s ‘We Can’t Wait’ election year to-do list. Of course, the White House has made big promises before about helping homeowners, only to see them disappoint time and again.” (Cora Currier, “Obama Housing Plans Vs. Reality,” ProPublica, 2/14/12)
“Some Economists And Political Allies Say The Cautious Response To The Housing Crisis Was The Administration’s Most Significant Mistake.” “The nation’s painfully slow pace of growth is now the primary threat to Mr. Obama’s bid for a second term, and some economists and political allies say the cautious response to the housing crisis was the administration’s most significant mistake.” (Binyamin Appelbaum, “Cautious Moves On Foreclosures Haunting Obama,” The New York Times, 8/19/12)
As Of The Second Quarter Of 2012, 30.9 Percent – 15.3 Million - Of U.S. Homeowners With A Mortgage Are Underwater. “According to the second quarter Zillow Negative Equity Report, 30.9 percent of U.S. homeowners with a mortgage are underwater (see Figure 1) – 15.3 million people – in the second quarter of 2012.” (Stan Humphries, “Negative Equity Declines Slightly On The Back Of Modest Home Value Gains,” Zillow, 8/22/12)
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During Discussions About The Stimulus, Obama Said, “We Will Not Roll Out An Aggressive Housing Plan.” “What about the thousands of homeowners who owed more on their mortgages than their homes were worth? asked Durbin. ‘We will not roll out an aggressive housing plan,’ Obama said, and it would not be part of the stimulus bill.” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, 2012, p. 8)
ï‚· “The Housing Problem Was Massive And Baffling, And None Of Them Had Solid Ideas For Fixing It.” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, 2012, p. 8) Former FDIC Chairwoman Sheila Bair Says Geithner And Summers “Created The Home Affordable Modification Program, Obama’s Main Plan To Aid Homeowners, More For Splash Than Substance.” “She said Geithner and Lawrence H. Summers, Obama’s former National Economic Council director, created the Home Affordable Modification Program, Obama’s main plan to aid homeowners, more for splash than substance.” (Zachary A. Goldfarb and Brady Dennis, “Sheila Bair, In New Book, Faults Obama And Bush Advisers During Financial Crisis,” The Washington Post, 9/25/12)
ï‚· Bair: “HAMP Was A Program Designed To Look Good In Press Release, Not To Fix The Housing Market.” “HAMP was a program designed to look good in press release, not to fix the housing market. Larry and Tim didn’t seem to care about the political beating the president took on the hundreds of billions of dollars thrown at the big-bank bailouts and AIG bonuses, but when it came to home owners, it was a very different story. I don’t think helping home owners was ever a priority for them.” (Sheila Bair, Bull By The Horns, 2012, p. 153)
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Broken Promise On Not Raising Middle Class Taxes
RAISING TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS
PROMISE: President Obama Promised That Taxes On Those Making Less Than $250,000 Would Not Be Increased A Single Dime
Obama Said “If You Make Less Than $250,000 … Then You Will Not See One Dime’s Worth Of Tax Increases.” OBAMA: “My definition -- here’s what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut. And if you make less than $250,000, less than a quarter-million dollars a year, then you will not see one dime’s worth of tax increase.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The First Presidential Debate, Oxford, MS, 9/26/08)
ï‚· Obama Reiterated That He Would Not Raise Any Type Of Tax On Those Making Less Than $250,000. OBAMA: “What I’ve said is I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans, 95 percent. If you make more -- if you make less than a quarter million dollars a year, then you will not see your income tax go up, your capital gains tax go up, your payroll tax. Not one dime.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Third Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/15/08)
ï‚· Obama: “If You Make Less Than A Quarter Of A Million Dollars A Year, You Will Not See A Single Dime Of Your Taxes Go Up. If You Make $200,000 A Year Or Less, Your Taxes Will Go Down.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks During The Second Presidential Debate, Nashville, TN, 10/7/08)
BROKEN: Obama Broke His Middle Class Tax Promise And In A Second Term May Hike Taxes Even More
PolitiFact Rates Obama’s Tax Pledge As “Promise Broken.” “We were willing to give President Barack Obama a Compromise rating on this promise when a new cigarette tax went into effect. But the latest health care bill includes more broad-based taxes that are pushing us toward Promise Broken.” (Angie Drobnic Holan, “Smokers, Tanning Aficionados, The Happily Uninsured: More Taxes Coming At Ya!,” PolitiFact, 4/8/10)
The Wall Street Journal: “Obama Has Imposed The Largest Tax Increase In History On The Middle Class.” “It is now undeniable that Mr. Obama has imposed the largest tax increase in history on the middle class. Individuals who don’t buy insurance will have to pay several hundred dollars, depending on income. The Congressional Budget Office says that 76% of those who pay the mandate tax will make less than 500% of the federal poverty level, estimated to be $24,000 for a family of four in 2016. That means 76% of the payers will earn less than $120,000 a year.” (Editorial, “It’s Up To The Voters Now,” The Wall Street Journal, 6/28/12) “80 Percent Of Those Who’ll Face The Penalty Would Be Making Up To Or Less Than Five Times The Federal Poverty Level.” “And the budget office analysis found that nearly 80 percent of those who’ll face the penalty would be making up to or less than five times the federal poverty level. Currently that would work out to $55,850 or less for an individual and $115,250 or less for a family of four.” (Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, “Tax Penalty To Hit Nearly 6M Uninsured People,” The Associated Press, 9/20/12)
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The Joint Committee On Taxation Report Found That The ObamaCare Tax Will Hit Middle-Class Americans. “There are a number of tax provisions in the health care bill that may directly increase taxes on some individuals and families earning less than $200,000 and $250,000 per year.” (Joint Committee On Taxation, Letter To Senator Tom Coburn, 3/20/12)
Non-Partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO): “6 Million People Will Pay A Penalty Because They Are Uninsured In 2016.” “After accounting for those who will not be subject to the penalty tax, CBO and JCT now estimate that about 6 million people will pay a penalty because they are uninsured in 2016 (a figure that includes uninsured dependents who have the penalty paid on their behalf) and that total collections will be about $7 billion in 2016 and average about $8 billion per year over the 2017–2022 period.” (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/19/12)
ï‚· “That’s 2 Million More Than A Previous Estimate Found, Or A 50 Percent Increase.” (Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, “Tax Penalty To Hit Nearly 6 Million Uninsured People,” The Associated Press, 9/19/12)
ï‚· “The Average Penalty Will Be Nearly $1,200.” (Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, “Tax Penalty To Hit Nearly 6 Million Uninsured People,” The Associated Press, 9/19/12)
ï‚· Projected Tax Revenue From 2016-2022: $55 Billion. (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/19/12)
CBO: In 2016, 4.7 Million Americans Who Live In Families That Earn Up To $123,000 Annually Will Be Subjected To The Obamacare Tax. (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/12)
ï‚· CBO: 600,000 Americans Who Live In Families That Earn Less Than The Federal Poverty Level Of $24,600 Annually Will Be Subjected To The ObamaCare Tax. (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/19/12)
ï‚· CBO: 1.2 Million Americans Who Live In Families That Earn Between $24,600 And $49,200 Annually Will Be Subjected To The Tax. (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/19/12)
ï‚· CBO: 1.2 Million Americans Who Live In Families That Earn Between $49,200 And $73,800 Annually Will Be Subjected To The ObamaCare Tax. (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/19/12)
ï‚· CBO: 1.1 Million Americans Who Live In Families That Earn Between $73,800 And $98,400 Annually Will Be Subjected To The ObamaCare Tax. (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/19/12)
ï‚· CBO: 600,000 Americans Who Live In Families That Earn Between $98,400 And $123,000 Annually Will Be Subjected To The ObamaCare Tax. (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/19/12)
Mikito, Not likely, but with all the "Help Wanted" signs going up I bet it will be lower!
JT,
Get some serious mental help and then a textbook to read what communism is since you must have missed that chapter in high school! You sound like a fool!
WHY DO REPUBLICANS HATE AMERICAN JOB RECOVERY IMPROVING? WHY DO THEY HATE AMERICA?
Notice how repubs whine at good news for America but cheer when something bad happans to America? That's because 15 repubs met the night President Obama took office to pledge aginst the country just to make President Obama a one term president. They obstructed and voted against any bill that might make President Obama look good at the next election 4 YEARS AWAY! And record obstruction they did! 4 years worth trying to stop the economy from recovering! Romney and republicons love the $$$$$$$ more than helping their fellow Americans. Republicons love $$$ more than helping their country.
Romney does not believe in America, that's why he hides his money in offshore accounts. Avoiding paying his fair share of taxes!
Vote President Obama/Biden and Team America 2012, protecting America from the GREEDY rich 1%
If the worst case scenario should happen and Romney should become president, chances are he will preside over a higher employment percentage and a better economy. That's because President Obama has done the hard thankless (from Republicans) work of trying to fix the broken economy that was left by the last Republican President. But whoever is elected will still be dealing with Bush's mess because without Republican congressional support Obama was not able to get the fix completed in just 4 years. Hopefully, if Romney is elected, he will not double down on Bush's ideas and crash it again. Next time it really might bring down the US economy and the entire world economy along with us.
We cannot allow Romney or a Republican majority in congress to be elected next month if we want our country to become the great world leader and economic success it can be again with the right leadership. Too bad Republicans have become so far removed from reality. We can only hope that soon they come back to being the responsible party they once were. This country needs good ideas from two strong parties who will work together for the good of the country and all the people and not just the 1%, their own re-election and their poor sick party.
Willard hates the jobs recovery cuz HE DIDN'T BUILD THAT!!
Call me suspicious, but . . . .
The reason for the drop was the 368,000 jobs that were "found" from being not reported since something like January. It's interesting because the number is far greater than the revisions down over the last 9 months.
Things are definitely far worse than is being reported, and neither Romney nor Obama, Republicans nor Democrats, at least in their current incarnations, will do anything about it.
To all those who are arguing against these numbers:
1.) They're seasonally adjusted numbers, so no -- it's not because of holiday hiring.
2.) The new numbers are not due to more people leaving the market/quit looking. That number actually went down. So, we know this is not due to that.
3.) The retroactive changes to previous months happens all the time. Some of the times that there were retroactive changes to previous months the number of jobs went down. I'm sure you had no problem believing those retroactive changes then, but suddenly you have a problem with them now.
4.) The way this is calculated is the same way it's been calculated every previous months for years upon years. So you can claim that the jobless rate is really higher and that the government "cooks the numbers" -- but the gov't has been tallying unemployment the same way for years. Thus, this .03% decrease in unemployment would be true regardless of whether you calculated the numbers your way or the government's way.
5.) In fact, several outlets have posted that there were actually 400,000 more jobs between January and March this year that won't be calculated until in these numbers until the end of the year. So, the unemployment rate is actually even lower.
As for those railing against Obama:
1.) No one knew in 2008/2009 how bad the economic recession was going to be. If you don't believe, find old new stories, old reports from economists (right-leaning and left-leaning). No one thought it was going to get this bad, no one thought Europe was going to get as bad it has, no one knew that a drought would drive up food prices significantly in already struggling economy. Blaming that all on Obama or blaming him for believing the same information EVERYONE HAD at the time that employment wouldn't raise above 8% is understandable. And again, you can claim I'm making excuses -- but like I said, go read economists evaluations of the recession from 4 years ago. No one, right or left thought things would bottom out the way they did.
2.) Despite how bad it got, despite the fact that Europe is even worse off now than at anytime in the past 4 years, and despite the fact that the drought in the Midwest has caused/is causing a lot of problems for jobs, food prices, etc., we have seen the DOW increase significantly, consistent job growth for the past 3 years, and now unemployment numbers that are about at the level of when Obama took office (despite the fact that the economy didn't completely bottom out until after he took office). So, you can make all the claims you want but the numbers say that Obama has improved the economy. Could he have done more? -- well, that's open to interpretation and you can all fight about that. But anyone saying that things have NOT improved during Obama's term is lying.
No kidding.. Romney is right..But, consider what got us into this mess in the first place! Does anybody have the right answer as to what happened? Who here has long term memory.
Ugh.. didn't get to edit.
That should be ".3% decrease."
Also, the line should read "Blaming that all on Obama or blaming him for believing the same information EVERYONE HAD at the time is ridiculous. Based on that information, saying employment wouldn't raise above 8% is understandable."
strmz: one word: GREED, that's what happened.
JT: you should just post a link to www.google.com and say... SEE, just put in the terms Obama Communist and you'll see what I mean instead of cutting and pasting half the internet.
If Citizen Romney were a washing machine, he'd have just one cycle: SPIN.
Libs are happy today, wooheeh, I would not be surprised to see the revised numbers go higher. The best since Reagan only I remember Reagan and I remember how good it was and just a note Obama is no Reagan. Lie if you can't win needs to go.
So what are you saying?
Once again, my two cents.... >:o):
I was rather miffed, my TV died before the debates. I got blow by blow from my son, who was worried Obama wasn't really there. I asked: Did Romney try to dictate the debate??? Yes. Did he talk over people( Moderator/pres) Yes. Did Romney give any insight to his "visions"? NO Did Obama?? Yes.
Who was the flash and pony show??? Romney. Who stated facts? Obama.
What was your thought??? Obama was just letting Romney be himself. Beware the Ides of "next debate." hehehe
Much Love All,
Fiesty, TY for the popcorn. >:o):
Da Pup
Thread rules:
Instead of posting useless dravel, explain:
1. How you would want the next president to lead the country
2. What policies you want to see in place and what kind of society they would create.
Post something intelligent that we can have a discussion about. The posts above are 99% propaganda and 0.1% intellectual.
Every year no matter what is going on the harvest starts in September and the unemployment drops. About the time these people start getting laid off Christmas hiring starts.
None of this means crap it happens every year.
Wait till next year when the government goes bankrupt and you all will be sitting around a pallet board fire roasting Big Bird!
Who's going to send the 47% a check then??
FORWARD??????
I was wondering how Romney is going to work ... as he said ... in a bi-partisan way ... when he couldn't even work well with the 3 people involved in the debate????????
Talking about talking BS ......................
Layton-3733410
We get good news on the jobs report and the WRNJs are on every single board saying the books were cooked. Well, DORKS if we were cooking the books we would have done it months ago!!!
Don't ya just love the rethugli-cons????? The current method of determining the unemployment rate came into being during the administration of the rethug "god"----Ronnie Ray-Guns. Before that no one was drooped from the labor pool. Obama's team is using the same exact way to calculate the rate as Ronnie, Bush I and jr.
Lunarpup,
I thought Romney spoke better than Obama, which surprised me. However, when asked point blank question, Romney didn't answer any. He kept going back to his tax proposals. Now I'm not an economest but to appomplis what Romney wants to do, which is INCREASE defense spending, cut tax rates 20% each and make it all fiscal neutral he wants to do away with certain, unspecified decudtions/credits. First of all, Congress IS NOT going to do anything to the tax code that will harm their masters, i.e. the wealthy and big business, so strike that out. Secondly, the defense budget needs trimming. We spend more than the next six biggest budgets combines. It is time American troop came home from ALL over the world. The one place I woiuld agree to keep some is in Korea. In addition, we need to STOP handing out money to ALL other governments. Let them take care of their countries and we'll take care of ours. Thirdly, Romney again, blindly, kept stating no new taxes. Congress is quibbling about reducing the DEFICIT, not our DEBT, by $4 trillion over the next 10 years. Hey folks, at the current deficit rate we'll still add on $10 trillion new debt. I'm fed up with BOTH parties and their "me first" attitdue. They work for the American people, not just the wealthy and big business. We must get them off their addition to power and money.
One thing to add:
Since the Right Loves outlaws and mavericks, Why not look to someone else besides Mittens??
Vote Lunarpup!!!!
I'll legalize Pot, Prostitution, and gambling. This alone with balance our budget. On top of that any industry related to "green" will be given tax breaks, and any country willing to grow cannabis, indigenous strains, would be tariff free. As far as Afghanistan, and the whole "Kush" region of the world...."Let the Spice Flow"........"Third World Nations" would become a dream from the past.
you DO realize, that under republican, or Democratic rule you would have neither, A Vote for Lunarpup is a Vote for the WORLD!!! Let ALL prosper from the needs of the many, and may NONE feel the rath of the few.
Much Love n Blessings,
Da Pup
>:o):
In a way, I almost hope that Romney wins. It would guarantee Hillary in 2016!
yyaawnnn....ROMNEY/RYAN '12 , Vote to restore america,otherwise you'll be with the d^ckheads above me on this post! And that's reason enough! YOU SAW THE DEBATES AMERICANS,THE PRESIDENT IS CLUELESS!
If Bush was president, you all would be screaming that the unemployment rate is the worst statistic in determining the state of the economy because it doesn't illustrate that 2/3 of every new job created was part-time, and while the unemployment rate went down, the more accurate rate of unemployment PLUS underemployment remained the SAME at 14.7%. And you know what? You'd be 100% right for slamming Bush on deceiving Americans with a statistic that means nothing.
Part-time people do not get the income they need to maintain the quality of life they were used to. They get no health benefits. They take a hit to their resume for making additional job changes. The part-time work is almost NEVER in line with the person's core experience so they not only lose the skills, but employers are less likely to hire them back into that profession because it wasn't what they were doing in their last job.
It is grossly disturbing to be this voluntarily biased. Bush was a horrible president and I'd be the first to slam him if he or the media were trying to celebrate such a useless statistic.
I bet almost none of you even know how the unemployment rate is calculated.
And all the part-time jobs that lowered the unemployment rate... that's not even the whole story. You fail to recognize all the people that have given up looking and are no longer part of the active labor pool. Why don't any of you recognize that old people have been forced to retire earlier than they wanted to because they couldn't find a new job? Why don't you recognize all the college graduates that moved back in with their parents? All the millions of people who have no other choice but to go back to school and take on massive debt to cover living expenses while not generating income? Sure going back to school is great, but with all the people with advanced degrees that can't find work in their field, there's no guarantee all the people that went back to school will when they graduate.
Can you provide a rational, intelligent response to this Feisty? Can you please explain why you value the unemployment rate over the more accurate unemployment+underemployment rate?
I don't care if it's Bush or Obama, neither of them should be getting credit for a number that only has value to people who are swayed by propaganda and ruled by their bias.
Before you even think about challenging my facts, just google 'part-time job growth.'
Romney/Ryan (and Jack Welch) are suffering from some kind of dementia (and manic depressive disorder).
Let me see, in Obama's first two years of office the conservatives whined and complained about the President not creating any jobs. So, during the mid-term elections the conservatives ran on and were elected for jobs, jobs, jobs. Now, two years later the conservatives are still whining and blaming Obama because they are just as incompetent, if not more so, in creating jobs. Where are the jobs the conservatives promised back in 2010? The conservatives have no room to criticize anyone without a valid explanation for their own ineptness and broken promises.
Without calling names and being hostile, can anyone please provide an answer to my post? If not Feisty, someone else?
Hehehe, and another one falls to the dust...... Does anyone understand???? Right!!!! You've been set up!!! hehehe
" Ding dong the Mitt is Dead the Evil Mitt, yes the Lowly Mitt is dead........."
You do realize, Mitt nailed himself last night??
Guessing not, Your savior lives,
in Magick underwear,
Much Love
Da Pup
>:o):
TJOHN, The essence of the name Tea Party refers to the act in Boston Harbour where colonists dressed as Native Americans threw British Tea from a British ship into the water in protest of Britians unruly tax on Tea. No taxation without representation. The modern "Tea Party" is against the reckless spending aka, Stimulus, Obamacare, only because it is without representation while Americans were out of work. How can you bail out a Union Shop like GM who has caused their own problems while you let laid off Union workers nationwide stand with just their d^cks in their hand( no offense to you girls but you know were with ya!). The conservatives promised to stop reckless spending,it happened in Wisconsin and the vote, as well as the recall vote was overwhelming! Romney/Ryan '12 JAN 20 13 THE END OF AN ERROR!
Seems to me that the truth hurts the Liberals... Many jobs have been created by FRACKING, and if it were up to Obama and his supporters. Fracking would be stopped immediately, and 500,000 plus jobs would be lost. So forth, Obama to keep his approval rating high, he will do nothing at this time, and the liberal socialist enviromentlsts will bite their tongue. At this time of of Obamas candidacy, there is going to be less regulation on business, as not to look bad in taking jobs away from American menial labors.. Hence companies are going to take advantage to profit in this free market, and they need employees to help them achive this goal. So when Obama gets re-elected and free reign for four years, you liberals will have no place to hide for the loss of jobs and the HUGE debt that will be aquired. Just because Romney wants more people employed, you Liberals and your media are trying to bring him down. Due to the fact that Obama got put in his place in the debate the other day, and you need to grasp for straws, and will sink to whatever low you can to incite animosity.
Hey TeaBagNutSac Welch'er Losers! How does the "Agony of D'Feat" smell now?!?!
Yep, another article about Romney, another mass mobs of libbys trying desperately discredit anything he says.
Like I said before. They talk tough, but they're scared because Romney is well within range of winning this.
JT
Long post, to be fair now, list the same thing for Governor Romney. I'm sure you will come out with another long list.
BlackcatWhiteCat
You said above " He is a mask hiding the lack of a soul, a Greek tragedy" & I said that's it. I have been trying to figure out the look (mostly a half smile/smirk) that Governor Romney had on his face the night of the debate & as soon as I read that, it reminded me of the Greek masks & that look on his face.
Obama / Biden 2012!!!
It is so funny how a bit of good news really Pi** some people off. I gues the lower unemployment rate will benefit the 47% and this is giving Mitt and friends the blues. The lower the rate goes the better chance Big Bird and friends will have finding work after Mitt fires them. Mitt loves to fire people who provide services to him!! What does Big Bird do for Mitt???
fenderbluesjr, thanks for the lesson on the Tea Partiers but I pretty much had that understanding. But what I don't understand is:
Where were the conservatives from 2001 to 2008 when the greatest damage was being done? Were those who would become Tea Party members calling their representatives and telling them to "knock it off" with the revenue reductions while putting a couple wars and a social program like Medicare Part D on credit?
How can the conservatives get behind a socialized bailout of Wall Street for extremely bad self inflicted greed based behavior in a Capitalist society resulting in privatized profit and socialized losses?
Tea Partiers stand behind the reckless spending claim but then pile in behind Paul Ryan who voted for each and everyone of those economically damaging actions. I hate to break it to you fender but Romney is just gonna be another Dubya. All the conservatives who stood by while Bush was destroying our economy, running up a deficit and exploding the debt will get behind Romney not for strengthening our nation but for money, power and to force their beliefs on everyone else. Oh and by the way, how many jobs has Scott Walker created?
I'm sorry to hear about your medical problems, but my question has not been addressed. Can someone please answer my question? And please provide legitimate, non-biased sources to back up statements.
Can anyone explain why we (including me) would all be bashing Bush and the media for celebrating a statistic like the unemployment rate declining when it has almost no relevance to the status of the economy, yet Obama gets a pass? The unemployment+underemployment percentage remains the same at 14.7%. What makes it even worse is that the labor pool has dramatically fallen due to older people retiring early because they can't find work, graduates moving back in with their parents, and people being left with no other option but to go back to school and take on massive student loans to cover not just tuition, but living expenses.
The explosion of part-time work positions has dropped the unemployment rate. 2/3 of every new job created was part time.
I'm in the staffing industry, this is my job, this is what I do. I put people to work in this country and I see first-hand what is really happening.
I don't care if it's Bush or Obama, they're both progressives. What I do care about is that I see these blogs and there is an alarming amount of hate, bias, prejudice and misrepresentation of the facts. If this apathy and misunderstanding of how things work is representative of what many Americans believe, then I am scared about the future of this country. Reality does not favor any party.
Can anyone please engage in a discussion regarding the unemployment rate and ONLY the unemployment rate, and answer my question.
Oh as usual....your lib's heads are way up where the sun don't shine. Romney gave your Socialist/Muslim guy a whooping this past Wednesday because he knows the facts. Obama was like a dear in the headlights. It was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fun to watch that phony get creamed by a man, a Thoroughbred by the way, not a mongrel like Obama, who knew exactly what he was talking about. What an incompetent loser Obama is. All the touchy feely words he uses. Libs vote emotionally instead of intellectually. It's really a incurable disease. So sad. He couldn't look 'President Romney' in the eye because he is nothing but a filthy low class liar. His pedigree is so trashy. He pulls in the cheering crowds with a teleprompter because he obviously doesn't have a clue when he actually has to speak off the cuff. Little Bamy community organizer seems to be only good at dividing the country. I can't wait until the fraud goes back to Chicago to do the only thing the weinie knows how to do well. Create divisiveness and hate. He is the most un-presidential fraud to ever occupy the White House. We taxpayers are going to have to foot the bill to fumigate the White House once this fraud loser moves out to his 35 million dollar home in Hawaii. A bill I will gladly pay.
Romney/Ryan 2112
oh....and I meant 2012.
vglance,
It has a relevance to the economy, as jobs improve so does the earnings and spending into the economy! On a side bar, if it hadn't improved Obama would have been even more bashed by the extreme right and made to look like it did have relevance to make him look bad!
We have more and more signs in windows and the paper for job openings as well!
Wait till the October employment numbers come in. I can hear the crying already!
Big Bird worth 400 million and we borrow money from China to finance his show. Real smart!
Obama and his lap dog media promote their own agenda about what Romney supposedly stands for and tries to brainwash the public. Reading these blogs proves they were partially successful!
The misery index is now the highest it's ever been. The middle class has lost over four thousand in earning per year and Obama says it's Romney who is against the middle class. What a joke!
The unemployment figure falls below 8% using the new standard of figuring it, for the first time in four years. Yippee, stop the bus and hold the phone. This is momentous! What a game changer!
We keep going trillions of dollars in debt for such small gains that anything must be jumped on as good news.
Hoping for a better tomorrow!
If the republicans hadn't blocked the Veterans Job Corp for putting unemployed vets back to work and to get training the rate might be even lower. I hate republicans and I voted for Nixon, Goldwater and Reagan. What a fool I was back then. Oh, that is right, "We wil do anything to make Obama a one term president!" Even hurt America and Americans!
Numbers are only numbers and do not mean anything UNTIL you show how they were calculated and what they actually are supposed to represent.
7.8% is an improvement from 8.2% (assuming both numbers were calculated using the same algorithm), but does it tell the whole picture?
There are 48 million people on food stamps, that's 15% (or 1/6) of the US population. Why is that?
The fumigation will not cost as much as after the bushwacker and family moved out. The smell of death from the thousands of wasted lives from his two wars filled the place from the Worst President Ever! Why do you think that GW has been hiding at his ranch for 4 years now? The Hague World Court truly has a warrant out for his arrest for "War Crimes!"
Steve,
Yup! A whole .01% of the budget. Equal to 6 hours of the spending by our military and Peatagon. Documented on NBC News. "Fair and Balanced" as compared to another networks "Unfair and Unbalanced" reporting!
Steve,
Yup! A whole .01% of the budget. Equal to 6 hours of the spending by our military and Peatagon. Documented on NBC News. "Fair and Balanced" as compared to another networks "Unfair and Unbalanced" reporting!
I just wish that the GOP HADN'T nominated Thurston Howell III.
Tjohn, The Tea Party Republicans ran mid term to stop the reckless spending of the Obama administration. It is the job description of the President to get people to work. And while it's true we have lying SOB's on both sides of the aisle. However,during the Obama campaign in '08 in Chicago, the labor Unions were gauranteeing that if Obama is elected the 2016 Olympics would be in the bag for Chicago. They had Union Business Agents on the job,by phone, even on my front f^^king porch! All the while the Unions were taking in apprentices and their money waiting for the messiah Obama to deliver, it was all b^ll$hit! TJ where were the Democrats that were in control of Congress in 05',06',07',08',09', when the financial meltdown occurred ? You trying to tell me that (like a liberal only can)that George W. Bush had that much command over Congress? And if so, why the hell doesn't Barack Obama? By the way TJ, tell me how many jobs Scott Walker eliminated? The answer is none, plus he balanced the state of Wisconsin's budget and allowed for the teachers and the blood sucking state workers raises with no increase in taxes. In Illinois Gov Quinn inherited a financial nightmare from former Gov Rod Blagoivich now a Fed inmate,raised our state taxes through the roof, but managed to hire 1900+ more patronage blood suckers. Gotta have votes,TJ. Who would you rather have running your State,Quinn or Walker? Or should I say Obama or Romney? ROMNEY/RYAN '12 JAN.20,13 THE END OF AN ERROR!
vglance, you asked for an answer. I read your post . . .
I'm not an economist nor will I ever pretend to be. But I do know this. The big box stores do not hire full-time workers. I've a friend who works at WalMart and out of the 500 employees there, only 50 are full time and offered benefits. Mitt endorses jobs for these kind of positions. Our President is working towards good salaries for teachers, police officers, etc., and he is proposing tax cuts for business owners so that they can increase salaries for their employees.
My boss has gone down the Mitt route ... he keeps the $ for himself. I would ask that all of those that have small businesses realize that the people you employ have cost of living in their lives.
The President can never change stupid, selfish people. Unfortunately, many want to accumulate their wealth off of other's backs without acknowledging the fact that those backs make their wealth.
Obama/Biden 2012
vglance
Because it has long standing relevance and understanding.
And besides, if we looked at at the unemployment+underemployment rate and it favored Obama in any way, you'd be asking why we favor it over just the unemployment rate.
Am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong LMarcT. I've had to deal with your irrationality in previous posts weeks back. Like I said, I work in the staffing industry. When you see millions of new part time jobs being created right before your eyes, thousands of resumes, hundreds of interviews, all showing an extraordinary trend of people taking on part-time jobs, jobs they are way overqualified for, and jobs completely out of their profession, you'd have to be pretty irrational to consider the unemployment rate as a sensible form of measure.
Still no one has addressed this.
It's no different than the outrageous obesity epidemic in this country. If you hear a statistic in the news about record new gym memberships, you'd at first think we've turned the corner to stop the obesity, but then when you dig deeper, you realize the increase in memberships is due to far lower membership fees and the people are still getting fat because the attendance rate falls off a cliff by 80% after 30 days of joining a gym, but people will still pay the monthly fee because cancellation fees prevent them from breaking the contract. So the statistic looks roses, but it's smoke and mirrors just like the unemployment rate.
You could run at the mouth all day in these blogs about a statistic 'improving' but once you are educated on how the unemployment rate is calculated, what it doesn't calculate, and why the far more accurate stats that dictate the status of our job situation are still showing horrible figures, you then appreciate what it's like to be able to not get fooled by propaganda.
I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. This is not a rep or dem issue. Bush and Obama are BOTH progressives. All the 90%+ people out there engaging in battles of rhetoric back and forth between parties and between Bush and Obama have not yet grasped the concept that they are the same.
And how could you not? Because media and a polarized society created by a two party system has brainwashed people into thinking that it's impossible that two presidents from opposing parties can actually be more similar than different.
All the trivial stuff that has no impact on the future economic welfare of this country like abortion (I'm pro-choice by the way) and gay rights (I'm pro gay marriage by the way), they may be different.
But when it comes to massive central government, extremely disastrous deficit spending, and excessive regulation that does more harm than good, they are the same.
Not that it's a progressive characteristic, but they are further identical when it comes to war and troops. Obama promised he'd bring the troops home. Not only did it not happen, he engaged in wars in Libya and Yemen. AND, if he had even a shred of motivation to bring the troops home, could he have at least brought them home from Germany? Couldn't even do that.
LMarcT, when you, Feisty and all the other radicals in these threads finally put 2 and 2 together and realize our problems are not rep or dem, but progressives, you'll be able to engage in a sophisticated and intellectually stimulating conversation.
But right now, you are still ruled by your bias, and your assumption that I would change my tune against Obama because of my bias.
Bush was horrible, Sarb-Ox was one of the most destructive forms of excess government regulation and it did nothing to provide transparency to prevent financial malpractice. Obama continued everything of Bush's from Sarb-Ox to the Patriot Act to reserving the authority to assassinate American citizens if they are suspected of terrorism without even a fair trial, to the tax cuts.
I know you and most of the people here hate Bush as much as I do. But to be so brainwashed by propaganda and caught up in the polarization of Dem/Rep to not see that Obama is just Bush v 2.0, is just insane. And Obama is actually worse because he's even more progressive than Bush.
Romney is only moderately progressive. He is not right for America but he'd lead us toward Greece a lot slower than Obama.
But whatever. I still have had no one on this thread yet come up with a mature and substantive counter to the fact that the 7.8 unemployment rate is due to anything but part-time jobs and a shrinking labor pool. Neither of which should be celebrated by anyone.
Vglance,
Actually, I have already answered most of your questions above your original post. However, I will address the points again and some others that you bring up:
1.) What exactly do you consider an indicator of the economy? Would you say a lower employment rate, increased consumer confidence, a DOW at pre-recession levels, average wages increasing are economic indicators? I’d say many of these reflect the economy, particularly when taken together. So, yes, the economy is in fact improving. I can understand people think it isn’t improving fast enough – but I don’t think all of the blame falls on Obama for that given that the global market is still heavily depressed and recovering even more slowly than we are.
2.) This article as well as several others (from several different outlets) explicitly explains that they accounted for people leaving/dropping out of the labor market and that is not what accounted for this drop. In fact, those numbers dropped as well.
3.) While yes, some of these jobs were due to people taking part-time work, the UNDERemployment numbers didn’t change from the previous month (you can check that at several news outlets as well). Suggesting that very little of the change was due to more people being underemployed.
I’m not suggesting that underemployment and the still high unemployment aren’t real problems. But the point is that there are many indicators that the economy is slowly but surely improving. The doom and gloom predictions that some people are talking about aren’t merited. The claims that things have not improved under Obama are lies. Again, you can argue that he could have done better – but that’s up to interpretation and a whole other argument.
GCRob,
Uh, no.. most of the jobs were not in fracking. You can find break downs of what kind of jobs these were. And the vast majority were in the financial and service industry. Neither of those would include fracking.
Finally, intelligent debate. Thank you Siobhan, I just wish it wouldn't take so long.
To respond:
#1. I consider many factors as you listed and more to determine the overall makeup of the economy. In addition to what you mentioned, I look at average credit card debt, industrial job levels, the trade deficit, the budget deficit, the gap of unsustainability in medicare, social security and other programs. And everything gets weighed by their overall impact. The unemployment rate is weighed about as much as my nose hair. Wait, that might be a bad metaphor as lately it's been growing out of control. :)
When the people wake up to the fact that elder care / terminally ill patients are incurring hundreds of thousands of dollars and more per person in medical costs, just like my father who's bills are over 1 million since suffering a stroke back in 2008 and has been in a managed care facility at the Rocky Hill, CT VA ever since. And my girlfriend's father who's been in the hospital since April with bills over $300,000 after nearly dying from e-coli poisoning (which he got from what was supposed to be a simple colon biopsy), and all the millions of other baby boomers having or soon having major medical procedures and extended hospital recovery times all thanks to wonderful modern medicine that no one wants to pay attention to when it comes to costs...
But I digress... the real important factors determining the state of our economy are getting worse, far worse, or at best, not improving.
The DOW? Really? Anyone who actually understands the markets knows that's a fallacy in determining overall economic performance. And frankly if you put your money into the markets 10 years ago, you're not exactly making serious dough unless you put all your eggs in Starbucks or Apple.
A jobless recovery will improve stock values but have no improvement on the unemployment and underemployment.
Increased consumer confidence? You know what drives that more than most factors? Home values. And what kind of messed up society do we live in that could have home values, thus the capacity to take out a home equity loan (yes go into more debt) so we can buy our new shiny baubles, would be causing consumers to feel better about spending money?
That's how screwed up society is, which is also an unwritten indicator for me, but it's the one I value the most. The decay in values and principles. The fast-paced extinction of emotional intelligence attributes. Lack of resourcefulness, self-discipline, work-ethic, personal accountability, respect, stress management, conflict resolution, critical thinking, humility, etc. etc. etc. The best way to improve an economy is to improve the people and we are definitely headed in the wrong direction there.
#2. So because of an article on one of the most biased news sources, you believe it to be true? And please point to the other news sources. I'd love to know what they are. The REAL truth about the unemployment rate is that the way it is measured, and the questions asked in the survey have not changed since 1994. Accounting for people dropping out of the labor pool is propaganda.
#3. Same as #2. Underemployment has changed. It's simple math. If unemployment rate went down, but the unemployment plus underemployment rate stayed the same, the underemployment portion rose at the same % that unemployment decreased. And I have contacts at Careerbuilder and Monster that would be the first to tell you that postings for part time work have skyrockets. I also staff call centers, and one of the largest growth industries over the past 3 years was enrollment counselors and career advisors in call centers of online education companies which many of them are clients of mine.
You should see the explosion in the number of people who have been forced to drop out of the labor pool and go back to school. It's insane. And interview any of them and they'll tell you the same thing. They're scared out of their minds that even when they graduate, they may not find a job, but at least it will give them a better shot and although they'll end up taking out massive loans, the loans will allow them a roof over their head and food on the table so they aren't living in the streets.
I screamed as loud as I could back in 2005 that we were going to have a major housing crash. Because of a segment I saw about a couple in CA who bought a house on one of those tiered payment plans. The reporter asked them: "So what are you going to do next year when your monthly mortgage payment goes up by $500 per month?" Their answer: "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."
When I saw the statistics of the numbers of people entering into risky mortgages, it was as clear as day. So I didn't buy a house. Now I'm buying one on the cheap this year, just have to figure out if it's Vegas or Phoenix, depends on where we build a new call center (we don't just do staffing, we do outsourcing as well- US based outsourcing).
My point is that while other people are learning second languages or how to play a musical instrument, I'm spending all my time learning how the world really works. It's boring, doesn't help me pick up chicks, and not fun to talk about at parties. But it fascinates me. And I want hope and change. I want to hope that I could change the polarization of this country and use the Socratic Method to get people to open up and consider taking on different perspectives instead of shaping their paradigm off of radically toxic propaganda. Because if we can no longer have the self-discipline to take personal accountability for literary integrity, society dies.
Now look at our posts and look at the majority of the rest of them. Do you see the clear distinction? People throwing out the most outrageous toxic rhetoric and using names like teabagger, republicons, democrabs, libtards, Nobama, Mittins... etc. etc.
It's so sad. What have these people experienced in their lives, what lack of role models or horrible influences could possibly reduce them to squabbling like elementary school children, yet be full grown adults?
We have a serious class crisis in this country, but it has nothing to do with monetary wealth.
Layton-3733410-- Hear! Hear! It is not only WalMart that practices mostly part -time employment, Home Depot , Lowes and Sam's Club do the same, kinda makes you a little nauseated does'nt it? I also work for a small business, fortunatley my boss does'nt quite travel the same route as yours, we actually DO get cost of living raises, albeit SMALL ones, but then she has just finished putting an addition onto her house! Still, living in RURAL Utah as we do I suppose it could be WORSE! I am SO sorry that your boss is such a GREEDY"YOU KNOW WHAT"! But then SO many of them in our state are, you know how it is with the Mormons, GOTTA have a BIGGER HOUSE than the other families on my street, crikey, the KEEP UP WITH THE JONSES sure runs rampant does'nt it? You're damn right that their wealth comes off of our backs! And as long as there are stupid selfish people unwilling to change anything, there will never be good salaries for uor teachers,police officers,firefighters or anyone else in the public sector! Hope you have a GREAT weekend!!
ozzy,
Now you are the liar. I was a Young Republican for years until I got too old. I attended our state conventions In Green Bay and Fond Du Lac. Both in the Fox Valley and the home to extreme conservatism of The John Birch Society and Joe McCarthy. (Today these would be moderates in the extremism of the republican party) On my college campus I worked for Goldwater and went to Milwaukee Kusiousko (SP?) Park and got pelted with rocks for yelling, "Lyndon, Baker, Jenkins."
Republicans can't believe that some of us YR got fed up with the favoritism towards a constant state of war in the party, now the favoring of the rich corporate world!
Sorry fell, but you are the LIAR! You lose big time. Why can't republicans believe the truth. They are so easily believe the lies of Mitt who just changed his stance on many issues during the debate and the fact he had to apologize to the 47% and said he was wrong. At least he admitted to one of his lies!
vglance,
Simple math.? But you have to read the facts man. It also said that there was an adjusting of the numbers from past months and some 300,000 new jobs were added and not recorded. Before you say this is doctoring the books remember republicans were eager to accept the numbers back in June when the numbers were adjusted down wars by 100,000. Yup simple math. and reading skills. You display the FOX "Unfair and Unbalanced" reporting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clwyd,
I'm using figures from the BoLS. A government run agency. You are using rhetoric you learn from media. See the difference?
Clwyd, I've read your previous posts. I highly doubt you are capable of being objective on this. You are almost as myopic as Feisty.
See Clwyd, you shot yourself in the foot when it comes to credibility by how radical you are. Reasoning with you is a waste of time.
Demonstrate objectivity in your posting, call out both sides as I do, and you and I can have a real discussion.
Vgalance,
I got my information from the Bureau of labor Statics as well. Faulty math on someones part! I added my numbers and checked again. Did you?
You see when you take 300,000 and add about 114,000 you get a change of 414,000 which accounts for a .3% drop in the unemployment rate! Don't feel bad! I questioned the same figures when they were adjusted to a 150,000 drop in the months of May, June and July! But I didn't whine about it!
You BELIEVE This Guy? Look, republicanCrimeCartelSoldierMittTaxPittanceRommel aka CountDracula has PERSONALLY outsourced 200,000 jobs to china and india. The Count, and hisSideKickLyin'Ryan ARE some of the major players to this World Economic disaster with his "I don't care about the 47% of Americans"...He Means YOU! This Evil VILE Soldier for the 1-10% and Corporate Evil Rich is gonna CUT OUT Medicare; You haven't got a $1100per/month RIP OFF "healthInsurancePolicy"? Then..Die Quick!! and NO More Social Security Checks People!! A very few of you are asking The count to guard our Economic Blood Supply AS YOU SLEEP Here is a helpful link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY&feature=player_detailpage
PhantomBeast, your toxic rhetoric and the sum total of all the people who support you and spew your hate are more destructive to this country than any terrorist organization. Please, for the health of this country, move to Greece.
vglance,
Your faulty math and rhetoric is likewise representative of the Taliban hate of the republican party who will twist everything after seeing it being done on FOX daily! I saw that years ago and switched from ignorance to some intelligence to question the one sided reporting on FOX that eventually turned me off. "Fair and Balanced" is just lololololo
Republicans claim to be "Real Americans" who love their country and their god. Why then do they rejoice at bad news and criticize any one associated with good things resulting from President Obama's administration? It is disgusting and sad. It is always a conspiracy, always a lie and always really pisses Republicans off. Keep the nite lite on, look under the bed and in the closet before you go to bed, Republicans. We're coming to get ya.
How can anyone vote for this man??? The job numbers are something that WE as citizens can be optimistic about. Shouldn't they be glad that things are at least looking up. No its not where we want to be, but we are headed in the right direction. Its really sad that they want things to stay bad or get worse so Romney can ride in on his horse claiming to be the GREAT WHITE HOPE! And the only thing he hopes for is money and power. Just another example of where their priorities lie.
Romney downplays jobs report in VA rally...of course he does.
Wasn't Mittens and crew whining about how this election is about everything BUT the economy? How they were being distracted by foreign policy, and women's rights, etc. etc.? How they wanted to focus on the economy?
Now it is. Careful what you wish for.
Unemployment: 7.8%
DJIA: 13613.60 +38.24 (0.28%)
so tell us how you are going to save us from the sky falling, Chicken Little?
DJIA: 13619.19 +43.83 (0.32%)
seems like Wall Street is happy. Isn't that Mittens' constituency?
Bit of a dry read, as are most economic policy papers, but here is the independent August 2012 Urban-Brookings Institute analysis of Mitt Romney's tax proposals; the gist is that Romney's plan will lower corporate tax rates while maintaining preferential rates on capital gains and dividends. In order to reach what he calls "revenue neutral" taxes would have to be raised on the middle class.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001631-FAQ-Romney-plan.pdf
I have heard several versions of the figures that the White House is using. Seems that the left and the right both play with numbers to make themselves look good. How the heck can that small a figure equate to the reduction in the unemployment rate as given by the left? Not only is it a fabrication, it is a bad one.
How convenient, and right before the election. My, oh my.
Bali Bob: "Why do Republicans hate America?"
Because they have to share it with 47% of other Americans that aren't wealty, are either sick, veterans, students, or are trying hard to find job and don't have car elevators and dancing horses.
I got a statement from Federated today. My IRA went up 16.34% this year.
Hey NC62553.......don't forget we don't have friends like he does, you know those NASCAR owners!
Only 114,000 jobs according to employers. The third consecutive monthly decline. Twice that is necessary to keep pace with population growth. But the unemployment rate conveniently goes down to below 8% for the frist time in 43 months 32 days before a national election and a few days after an ass kiicking in the debate. Coincidence? May all be true but the odor in the room is pervasive.
All I have to say to Romney is,"Pinocchio, your nose is growing!" lol.
Obama/Biden 2012, 4 more years!
OK so here it is. Mitt Romney does not like government, and does not think he can get 47% to take responsibility for their lives because they wrongly depend on government to offer them jobs and food and housing. Yet Mitt Romney promises them and he will fix the economy if he is elected. Would that not be government interference? Would that not be a government handout? Did we forget the large economic crater that President Bush left? Did we forget that President Obama while having 2 years to pass his legislations, had to stop the bleeding of the American economy first and that takes time? To use an ER analogy, if a patient came to the ER hemorrhaging, would you put a band aid and leave because you want to treat the person with the headache before the end of the shift. Does not make sense. Obama stopped the hemorrhaging, and now that the patient is getting better can now focus on other things that are not as urgent as the economy was. Mitt Romney I am ashamed to say is lying. He should know better. He will say anything to win and he has said anything to win!
Fellow Conservatives : (who know these are cooked numbers) - Hope/Vote for the best plan for the worst..
1. If you can afford it change your party affiliation to Democrat & get yourself fired...You'll need to be a Democrat to apply for the other goodies like Food Stamps Sec 8 Disability Welfare.
Republicans wont get a penny but if you switch to a DEM you'll get all the free stuff easy.
2. Consider ways to protect your 401Ks (I am not a financial expert) but I am a realist.
~ All taxes are going up (Obama voters will find this out too late) Financial experts (not Obama Donors like the ones at the Dept of Labor)
perdict 6 months to a year b4 the bottom falls out ~ Gas, electric, water everything is expected to go to double digit expense bc of Obamas "FREE" health care. a pack of ciggs will run about $11 to $14 125% tax on them starting Jan 1 ~ chit will hit the fan.
Protect yourself as best U can ~ Get your cash to credit Unions perhaps buy some Gold even if its only one ounce. Do waht Conservatives ALWAYS do plan budget save sacrifice.
Love4troops: if conservatives always plan budget save sacrifice, why was there a melt down of the ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY at the end of George W. Bush's Presidency ?
Why was there record losses of jobs, Record fall of Wall Street, record increases in the national debt ?
I'm an economist and actually understand how data is compiled...Household survey and the timing of its inclusion was odd. When you consider "discouraged workers, those who have stopped looking, and dropped out of the labor force" the unemployment rate is at 11% far worse than when Obama took, it was 7.9% then. The real unemployment rate is 15% and new jobs created went down from last month, while new jobless claims went up. Good thing Romney knows economics he'll reveal how these numbers are created and Obama will be looking down with that weird thing he does with his lip when he's angry. These were poor numbers
If we were still fighting World War 2 Romney would be secretly cheering for the Nazis. The only thing this guy is good for is lying and putting down our country every chance he gets. . The smug smile on his face during the debate as he was lying his ass off was the most disgusting thing I’ve seen in years.
Romney and all his Republican buddies are forgetting that it’s not just the President their insulting with all the negative crap they dump on us everyday it’s also every American that has worked so hard to pull the country back from the edge of the cliff that Republicans have been trying so hard to push it towards. Republicans know if they can crash the economy completely, it will be like a fire sale. They’ll be able to buy up everything for five cents on the dollar, that’s why the Republican/Tea party congress has done everything in their power to damage the economy in the last two years…….When will people realize that Republicans only care about money and power they don’t give a damn about the country or the people living in it.
BTW: Ryan17: How long have you been an "economist" for the Republican/Tea Party and how much do they pay you to fabricate your B.S. statistics.......
judi fermanich
I have heard several versions of the figures that the White House is using. Seems that the left and the right both play with numbers to make themselves look good. How the heck can that small a figure equate to the reduction in the unemployment rate as given by the left? Not only is it a fabrication, it is a bad one.
How convenient, and right before the election. My, oh my.------------
My, oh my, judi,
Having people like you and frank (post 1.09) makeS coming here fun. I hope you know the current way to calculate the unemployment rate was changed during the administration of-----drum roll, please---------the "god" of the rethugli-con party----Ronnie Ray-Guns, he who signed the BIGGEST tax increase in American history up to that time. Before that NO ONE was dropped from the labor force and the rate was higher. Made Reagan look good. So Obama's team is using the SAME formula Reagan, Bush I, and jr used. HUM. I don't remember hearing your whining then.
As for frank:
Frank-739698 !
Who's going to send the 47% a check then??
Frank, for once I'm going to stand up for Romney. The figure stated 47% of all Americans do not pay F.I.T. (federal income tax) is probably correct. In spite of what you believe, Romney didn't say 47% of all Americans lived/expected handouts. So let's look at the 47% figure. Why don't 47% of all Americans pay F.I.T. First, seniors. My mom is 89 and lives on SS. She doesn't pay F.I.T. Second, many part time/minimum wage earners, after taking the standard deduction, don't pay F.I.T. There are others. What you seem to forget, if you ever really knew it, is these folks still pay taxes. State taxes, excise taxes, sales tax, etc. You seem to suffer from anal/crannal inversion. Stop listening to Pox and start thinking for yourself.
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Ryan (post 2.12). While I have no clue as to whether your claim to be an economist is true or not, your post is certainly deceptive. The economy has grown the last 3+ years, in spite of the rethugli-cons in the Senate. When Obama was elected we were losing 750,000 jobs a month and bush's team was dropping an additional 450,000 from the labor force. That equates to 1.2 million per ,month. Say what you will, the job figures are much better now than when bush left office.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 MY VOTE HAS ALREADY BEEN CAST
Ryan17
I am a cowboy and smell bullshyte when you make your claims of inclusive knowledge of economics.
I see the Libs are out in full force praising their King for a small dip in unemployment in 4 years. I guess it gives them something to gloat about.
When Obama was sworn in as President in January 2009 the unemployment rate was 7.8% and going up. It peaked at 10% in October of 2009. It has going down little by little ever since. This is not a small dip. This is a years long trend.
BTW, Reagan averaged 7.9% unemployment for his terms.
Since Bamy got creamed on Wednesday night they have to manipulate the job figures in order to make him look good. I know people who have been out of work for a long time now and are still not working. The jobs poll is a crock. But what isn't a crock are the gas prices in CA. 6.00 in some areas and almost 5.00 in others which affects food and everything else. The middle class is disappearing little by little under this Socialist fraud. His intention is to 'spread the wealth', just like what Castro said when he took over Cuba and I don't think it's going to turn out any better for the American people than it did for the Cuban people. I talk to uneducated people everyday who don't have a clue what this fraud in the White House is all about. Unfortunately, many in America understand exactly what 'transforming America' really means, but once the rest of us are in the gutter because of their stupidity and their vote for Bamy, we won't be able to do anything about it for another 4 years. If the damage can ever be reversed!
Romney/Ryan 2012
A vote for Romney/Ryan is a vote to Kill off Big Bird and the Middle class. Hey Mitt, Big Bird was a sample of what you are planning to do away with. How about giving us some more spacifics of what you are going to gut? And why you are at it how about releasing your full taxes for the last several years instead of a summary. I have a strong Feeling that you violated the law.
As a Conservative, the debates have nothing to do with why I am voting straight Democratic ticket. I am voting for all of our future. Obama/Biden 2012
Aye Gwad! The President keeps losing as per republican poll numbers, by the time the election gets here, He'll take every vote, even Romneys! Beats everything I've ever stuck my finger in! You go republicans! Keep firing them shotgun mouths!
I just read "social media" results on the debate are in. Gwaddamn! Republicans numbers got it right again. The President won overwhelmingly! You twisted pack of bullsh^t burlap. Understand Romney is running around now "ass front and crotch back". Course, you gotta look kinda hard. He ain't got much of either.
@ozzy1957#2.21: I'd give it up "Oz". Romney can't win for losing. It's that simple. I wasn't diagnosed as a true idiot. What I was told "Oz", was that I was rather dense, with manifestations of occasional stupid tendencies. Go figure? The President is gonna win big Oz. Regards
Georgie put the fkn pipe down. Damn you Mittwitt fools!!
@ozzy1957#2.26: Respectfully disagree Oz. Romney, the candidate, is much more the problem than the President and His policies. Social media score on the debate is in tonight. The president won big. Too few like Romney, and even less like the republicans. Doomed from the beginning. Republicans waay overplayed their hand obstructing the President. Hurt waaay too many in that ugly process. Too much real time communication these days for such stupidity. The damn fool republican Congress should have known better. Romneys outrageous lying about everything doesn't help either. Regards
Some of the conspiracy theorist posters here are morons. We've had several months lately when the economy gained about 200,000 jobs and the unemployment rate went UP. The job gains figure is only a small part of the calculations for the monthly unemployment figure. No matter how many times NPR and the like explain it, the cry babies just can't find the cheese. And they overlook that 2011 job creation figures have been drastically INCREASED in the past month. And they overlook that July and August figures were increased. But they don't like that. WAH. WAH. Umemployment go down! WAH! WAH! Romney lose. WAH! WAH! Romney a one trick pony. Just keeps talking about a kick to the head - a kick to the gut. Romney has to pray now for disease and pestilence. He must keep hoping for the worst. And he must keep lying about who is to blame for our current unemployment. He does that so well - like a snake oil salesman.
@BeyondDEMOCRAT#2.28: Very much agree. Regards
Has anyone noticed, that since Republicans have taken control of the House of Reps. They have philibustered the President and his out of control spending cronies, and forced him(our grand children paying our debt Idiodemocrat) to balance the budget. They wanted to borrow more last year, but the Republican(conservative spending) fought hard and put an end to that. Government almost shut down, until Obama gave in, and they reached an agreement. We have all tightened our belts, been more credit spending wise, and things are improving. By establishing a solid economical growth status, but the Obamanites are more than happy to take credit for IT... Go ahead you guys, dillusionaly pump yourselves up, but if Obama has free reign for four more years. Your bubble is going to explode right into your face, and you think times are rough now?! They are going to be cleaning up the mess off the liberals faces past our lifetimes and into our grandchildrens lifetimes! Look at Liberal California for example: BANKRUPT!!!
Michael: Big Bird is rich dude. Not only does he not need a government check, Obama should be raising his taxes.
I think Mitt during the debate flipped Jim Lerner the bird.
Obama/Biden 2012
#2.12 the world economies that failed are socialist or quasi democratic as opposed to the free market republic that we are in. We have not failed, (yet) because we have built in place some methods of forestalling such an event. Republicans and Democrats alike are failing us, (the electorate) by virtue of their changing the emphasis of our money and its direction. Whether it can maintain a level of safety while manipulating the tightwalk that is our election process is the question for me.
It is wrong of any of you to pick one party over the other as being "wrong". The fact is, both parties have members who profitted from their votes at our expense. Many are millionaires who were not so when elected. And these elected profiteers should be held accountable. But we are so busy pointing fingers at each other that we are ignoring those who are at fault.
For crying out loud, stop with the recriminations and accusations already and figure out who had the most to gain in either party and remove them. It is too bad that felonies cannot be proved so these horrid politicians can spend time in some jail. That is where we should be looking. That is where we should focus.
ozzie#2.21 I laughed out loud when I read your post. It was an unexpected statement as I finished it to the end. Thanks for the laugh. Hopefully some will get the humor and the reality and change their direction.
Gee, I never would have expected Willard to downplay the jobs report!
On the 6th of Nov., let's downplay Mitt and give him his own planet: "Kabob" -cooked medium-well!
Tom, you know that things are only good for "us" people if Mitty says so!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Does anyone expect anything other than doom and gloom from the lying scum that is Romney?
Obama/Biden 2012
I think lying scum is a bit harsh, lets just call him a politician, which sums up what they all do!
Was this jobless report based on a survey?
Tom, that's planet Kolob, but I get what you mean.
Also, looks like mitts didn't get him any bump in the electoral collage either.
projects.wsj.com/campaign2012/maps/?mod=wsj_elections_2012_nav#r=pres&v=states
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Oops ! I think sirie just stumbled upon a MAJOR QUESTION ! I noticed that myself this morning.
Since when are labor reports based upon "surveys" that can be manipulated and distorted ? I always thought these were supposed to be based upon actual hard-core statistics. Did we have a "CONVENIENT" change in methodology ?
Romney truly cares for 100% of the American people - in public. When he's talking to his own kind, however, in a quiet room, he dismisses 47% of the electorate as unworthy of his attention.
sirie and jim - the methodology is the same it has always been - nothing has changed. They just explained - in greater detail how the figures are tallied.
Obama/Biden 2012
That's good, when I saw the survey taken said..... I was going "huh???"
Thanks for clearing that up!
***EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!***
Seems Mr. Welch isn't too bright. If the numbers were "changed" why not make the unemployment rate 6.8% or 5.8% or even lower. That's what Romney would do.
jim-1455434
Yeah, it was done by the same secret special ops team that faked Obama's birth certificate and also the moon landings.
Diane-1871215
The conspiracy theorists would say that too big a drop in unemployment would be suspicious, so the black ops guys could only drop it by 0.3%. They probably are faking the Dow Jones numbers, too, which also are consistent with lower unemployment. In wingnut alternate reality the stock market simply could NOT have doubled in value since Obama took office. It's all a vast left wing conspiracy!!
Houston - shhhhhh! We're not supposed to let on about the fake moon landing!
Obama/Biden 2012
MUCK FITT!
Mitt's Five point economic plan:
1) Scrap the blue eagle on the $20 bill and replace it with a vulture (color yet to be determined)
2) Put Mitt's portrait on the $3 bill
3) Put Ryan's portrait on the Medicare Voucher
4) Kill Big Bird and replace it with Big Turd (hope you're all ready for your kids to watch nothing but Davey and Goliath all day).
5) Help Donald Trump's small business.
Mitt will not be happy unless America is in misery
Moon landing?.....nooo...say it aint so.
I would like to know EXACTLY how he is going to create jobs? Are they all going to be part time 20 hrs a week jobs? Is he counting those?
Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:
1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with
gracious, statesmanlike aura.Looks like every central casting's #1 choice for
Commander-in-Chief.
2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has
been faithful to her, including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS. 3.
No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
4. Can't speak in a fake, southern, "black preacher voice" when necessary.
5. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard
Business School...and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.
6. Doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the
counter-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today's America?
7. Represents an America of "yesterday", where people believed in God, went to Church, didn't screw around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!
8. Has a family of five great sons....and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab. But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that "choice" deserves America 's scorn.
9. Oh yes.....he's a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its
members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.
10. And one more point.....pundits say because of his wealth, he can't relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that's because he made that money HIMSELF.....as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad. Apparently, he didn't understand that actually working at a job and earning your
own money made you unrelatable to Americans. My goodness, it's a strange world,
isn't it?
Romney wants to crack down on Sesame Street instead of Wall street!!!!!!
10 reasons not to like Romney:
Lies without hesitation or remorse
Stands for nothing, no core values
Thinks success is only measured by one's bank account and social status
You have to pay 50K to get him to tell the truth
Corporations are people too, my friend
Will say anything to whatever group he's courting, even if it contradicts what he said moments before to another group.
Not going to let factcheckers run his campaign
Won't reveal details of his policies
Thinks workers are like widgets, thinks we need to work and live like Chinese workers
Thinks his dog liked it up there on the roof
Thinks that if you get sick, just go to the ER
Thinks the 47% all live in apartments, as if they couldn't possibly afford a house.
Thinks Paul Ryan is a genius
Thinks the President owns his own plane and house
Thinks 42 mos of job growth, a rising stock market and improving housing market is bad news
Uses the death of American diplomats as politcal fodder before even knowing the facts
Thinks having a famous, wealthy, connected father and inheireting wealth is earning through hard work
Believes in taking over companies, loading them with debt, sucking out the profit and closing the business and laying off workers is good.
Hides money overseas to avoid scrutiny and taxes then brags about it.
oops, did I go over?
You missed a couple:
Doesn't care for the poor lower class people (yes, he really referred to lower income people as lower class.)
Wants to FIRE BIG BIRD. :(
Romney...the pitiful last.
All through the republican nomination process there was always someone ahead of Romney. Bachmann, Cain, Newtster, Perry, Santorum, etc. All of them had leads over Romney despite their cheating on their wives, being a lying looney, and forgetting what the hell they were talking about. Down to nothing but Mittster the republican party has no choice left. No one left but the guy who was losing to all the Loonies. Now repubs try to hold up Mitt, (who lost to McCain who lost to Obama)as their golden boy. He is their golden boy all right, gold in his offshore accounts that he is hiding from the public.
Romney, the pitiful last, for a worse tomorrow today.
Obama/Biden 2012 and Team Democratic party...protecting the middle class and poor from the GREEDY RICH 1%.
You have to love the hypocrite "conservatives" that post all kinds of negitive comments about the latest jobs report....... One question; Where were you people when the Bush administration was losing over 800,000 jobs EVERY MONTH? Funny we never heard a peep out of you people then did we.
Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:
1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with
gracious, statesmanlike aura.Looks like every central casting's #1 choice for
Commander-in-Chief.
I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Young Mitt was somewhat attractive, I find today's Mitt to look like a greasy-haired salesman. Some men look better as they age (Paul Newman!!) Mitt looks uglier as time goes on. Perhaps his insides are now showing.
2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has
been faithful to her, including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS.
He's not the only one that fits such a description, nor is it indicactive of how he would govern
3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
That we know of
4. Can't speak in a fake, southern, "black preacher voice" when necessary.
Just likes "cheesy grits" y'all
5. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard
Business School...and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.
Actually his academic records as well as any other US citizens academic records are sealed as required by law.
6. Doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the
counter-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today's America?
Gee, put a star on his chart! He's LDS, it's against church policy. Having been raised LDS myself you can have him, I am not impressed, nor do I believe that makes him "better" than the average citizen, though I would bet he believes he is (**I was raised LDS**)
7. Represents an America of "yesterday", where people believed in God, went to Church, didn't screw around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!
Yesterday is gone, and your Pollyanna view is a fallacy
8. Has a family of five great sons....and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab. But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that "choice" deserves America 's scorn.
The choice to be a "stay at home" Mom is not scorned. It is just not a realistic choice for most of us. TODAYS world almost requires two incomes and has for a while now. Very few make enough on one income to support a family. Those Staples, Burger King and Sports Authority jobs really don't pay much. Which of those sons has served in the military or provided any public service other than campaigning for dad?
9. Oh yes.....he's a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its
members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.
I was raised LDS, I'm not afraid, just not impressed with Romney. I might point out that MANY non-mormon people are raised with those principles as well.
10. And one more point.....pundits say because of his wealth, he can't relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that's because he made that money HIMSELF.....as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad. Apparently, he didn't understand that actually working at a job and earning your
own money made you unrelatable to Americans. My goodness, it's a strange world,
isn't it?
I don't consider the vulture capitalism that he has embraced (and was ILLEGAL until Reagan changed the law) "working". Mitt Romney has not "created" anything. He has harvested the fruits of someone else's ideas and labor, taken advantage of the mistakes of others, an opportunist with no goal except increasing his investors profit pushing paper around, not PRODUCING anything useful.
I'll take one from Col A and two from col B...
You people are out of your minds. If you think that Obama can sustain the kind of beating that he took on Wednesday night in front of sixty million people, and not have if effect the polls, then you are truly delusional. There has never been such a one sided debate. Some of the polling data that was published today was still from the time frame immediately prior to the debate. Wait until Sunday, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Somebody was on this board today citing data from Tuesday as evidence that the debate had not had any effect on the polls. I think that he works for the BLS.
Being stuck with a "bad news is good news" meme, it's really all he can do.
That's the problem with campaign "themes", they're always subject to changing times and the law of unintended consequences...
Would you rather be the
"It's Morning in America!" guy or the,
"It's getting worse" guy?
One of the early mistakes of the Romney campaign was to not have a more positive slate of ads...allowing the President to be the upbeat one.
24 hours is a lifetime in this campaign...
"If the same share of people were participating in the workforce today as on the day the president got elected, our unemployment rate would be around 11 percent.
bla bla bla bla...........Mitt needs to embrace the new rate, 7.8%.
Compare and contrast the coverage;
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://online.wsj.com/home-page
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
http://www.nytimes.com/
http://www.reuters.com/
http://www.cnn.com/
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/
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only one organization does NOT lead with the employment news and only one news organization questions the statistics themselves...
Why?
I report...you decide
The adage is always divide and conquer. The question is who are we dividing? The answer is not pretty.
"only one organization does NOT lead with the employment news and only one news organization questions the statistics themselves...
Why?
I report...you decide"
Why, thank you, Dangerfield. I've been wondering all this time just who the 'lamestream' media was. You've given me the answer, captain.
Early this morning they did lead with the new unemployment numbers.
Let's not get too excited over the good news
dangerfield, regarding the coverage,
To quote Sesame Street: "One of these things is not like the others ..."
ROPFLMAO President "up-Beat" That's arrogance and laziness my friend
Obama is a bigot a racist and he has scrapped pond scum off rocks to run his hate filled campaign. IMHO
and you lemmings lap it up like jackals ~ No wonder you can relate to Occupy Wall Street thugs ~ your messiah Obama is good at LEADING those types.
Kick him in the balls Mathews Palin is a C**T Bill Maher _Republicans can sit in the back of the bus" Obama ~ Chicago politics. Like I said
if Obama wins I'm getting myself fired & joining the slackers sucking the Government TIT ~ God knows the Tax $$ Obama is Fleecing will run out soon enough.
I'll be ready for the demise I'll even help :)
JM-1992894: sing that now, while you still can. Romney plans on foreclosing on Sesame Street, paving it over and selling it as a parking lot.
WHAT DID ROMNEY DO WHEN HE WAS CAUGHT TWICE HIRING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO WORK ON HIS AND HIS SON'S LAWN?
ROMNEY CAUGHT with HIRING ILLEGALS!
When Romney was caught hiring Illegal aliens to work on his landscaping, did he just fire them or did he call ICE and have them deported?....We all know the answer to that one don't we! He did nothing! He kept hiring the same firm and did it all over again.......Good ol turn em loose Romney. Repubs say illegals are criminals, so Romney is a criminal for hiring them. Christ he is a multimillionaire and he couldn't hire Americans to do the jobs. Had to get a few more pennies from American workers......GREED GREED GREED at your expense!
Greed is right especially anyone who would shut down sesame street to give billionaires more money.
I keep telling you. Sesame Street is a multi-million dollar industry! You can't really be anaware of that, can you?
Here is a helpfu link to help you decide to keep republicanCrimeCartelSoldierMittTaxPittanceRommel Out of the whiteHousehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY&feature=player_detailpage
So Romney wails when the jobs report is not good....but downplays it when it is good. Flip, flop, flip, flop.
unlike many who want to see Obama go, I'm all for Obama doing his job, getting people back to work, and do wish him all the sucess in the world.
I too hope that Obama will win ... on his new gig with "Dancing with the Czars" ! LOL !!
sirie - well said!
Obama/Biden 2012
Talk is cheap. Romney can be a masterbater but I would rather have a job creator
I worked within a hospital and have seen the hospital jobs board go from one nearly empty 4 by 8 foot board to 3 full 4 by 8 foot boards in the past 2 years. If that is not headed in the right direction Mitt Romney, I dont know what is. I dont think I want Mitt to change the direction of the after BUSH america. We need to relish success and celebrate what we as a country are doing right. Mitt only has a chance if he can convince us to ignore that facts and conclude we need him. No thanks Mitt.
Well dal, you don't have a job creator in Obama. You can't even cite a real job that the man has ever held. He has the thinnest resume of anyone who has ever occupied the oval office. No business experience. No military experience, no experience doing much of anything, except running his mouth.
The unemployment rate dips slightly below 8% for the first time since Obama has taken office, and you're apoplectic. You don't care anything about the economy, but you know that no sitting president has ever been re-elected when unemployment was above 8%, so you figure that if unemployment goes below 8%, it helps Obama.
It's simple. Obama will just have to be one of the sitting presidents that is defeated when the unemployment is below 8%. That has happened plenty of times. Today's jobs report can't protect Obama from the defeat that he is facing, any more than Jim Lehrer could protect him from the defeat the he suffered on Wednesday night.
My, my....the unemployment rate dips (barely) below 8% (finally) for the first time in 4 years and the LIB TARDS are all "a flutter"....I just wonder how Barry accomplished that sitting on the sofa being "eye candy" and chatting it up with the GIRLZ on the VIEW. Why don't you go "rejoice" with the masses of Americans that are still unemployed/suffering in this country and tell them how this helps them. I'm sure they'll just be GIDDY.......
May be you'll be more happy if President Obama had similar job growth as Bush/Cheney did. But then again, the job growth would be shrinking and not growing. Meh.
Obama/Biden 2012
Hey Chris....NEWSFLASH JUNIOR: Bush/Cheney are not running! They are retired laughing their collective assess off at naive LIB TARDS like you who had the wherewithal to vote Barry and the Choom gang in to white house in the first place. That was then, this is now and your GUY "promised" he could fix it. But then again, he promised HOPE AND CHANGE too and we see how well that worked out......stop being a GOOB and go watch your NASCAR race dude.
"NEWSFLASH JUNIOR: Bush/Cheney are not running!"
Neither is the late Saint Reagan, but it doesn't stop a lot of people from invoking his holy name now, does it?
WOW...that was "epic"...."dog" gone it how do you self-righteous LIB TARDS come up with this stuff?
bucsdad--how did you think the economy would improve? Mitt Romney says the economy will automatically rebound just by virtue of his having been elected. We, Obama supporters, knew that it would take years...because that's how it works.
Wonder what has "buck's bags" so agitated today???
Hey- them anything like 'tea' bags?
bump 1up for you Sueb1. great point, lost on individuals who have been tea bagged.
bucsdad, yes w isn't running, I offer w as a comparison, a unit a measure.
So in that same vane of thought, the current repuk candidate has nothing to offer except the same ideas/plans that got the country in this hole. So, again, may be you'd be happy with that same kind of job performance...
Joesph f-in Smith!! the unemployment number is better this month than last. Head for the hills everybody.
"Bush/Cheney are not running!"
Hey bucsdad -- teatards like you have a very short memory. From 1976 to 1992 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Carter of everything wrong in the entire universe. Then from 1992 to 2008 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Clinton for everything that was wrong in the entire universe. So – using the standard you set – the left has another 29 years to blame Bush for everything just to pull even with you.
"bucsdad" is obviously too limited to remember who got us into this mess in the first place.
All great points folks....you LIB TARDS really outdid yourselves with your ill-conceived logic....I guess you deserve a little bright light after Barry looked so perfectly "mayoral" getting spanked by Mitt the other night. One question though....do you mindless LIB TARDS always run in packs?? HA HA HA...its so COOL to make fun of you DOPES.
So Chrissie, since you and your fellow LIB TARDS brought it, let's use "W" as a basis of comparison. This came from Reuters (not FOX NEWS, that would be your next LIB TARD tactic):
When Barry started mouthing off about Bush's economic record at a fundraiser in Dallas....Reuters took issue and did a comparison:
So President Obama describes his predecessor’s policies as “disastrous.” Just for the fun of it, let’s do compare the two records, shall we?
In the wake of a recession that began roughly seven weeks after President Bush took office, America experienced six years of uninterrupted economic growth and a record 52 straight months of job creation that produced more than 8 million new jobs. During the Bush presidency, the unemployment rate averaged 5.3 percent. We saw labor-productivity gains that averaged 2.5 percent annually — a rate that exceeds the averages of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. Real after-tax income per capita increased by more than 11 percent. And from 2000 to 2007, real GDP grew by more than 17 percent, a gain of nearly $2.1 trillion.
So, if your question to me is still, do I want to go back to the economic conditions under George Bush? My answer would be a resounding "YES"....even Reuters called the comparison a "rout" in favor of Bush.
In the future, if you and your mindless "minions" are going to use something as a unit of measure (your words) I suggest you (at least) use a good one.... MORON.......Have a nice weekend!!
Hmmm. I guess "too limited" was understated. "Too effin' retarded" would seem more appropriate. Sorry you hate America so much, buc-up.
17 of 24 of Romney's advisers are from the Bush/Cheney/Rove regime. Bush/Cheney/Rove team ignored 911 attack warnings killing thousands, the make up WMD's lies to start Iraq war for no bid contracts war profits for Cheney's company. Bush/Cheney/Rove killed thousands of our troops , thousands more wounded and still dying, costing us trillions more, had no plan after they captured Saddam and allowed stockpiles of bombs and weapons to be used later against U.S. troops.
Romney hires this same team of murderers for what?....because all that war profit was so good. He wants a cut of the next one!
Vote Obama/biden 2012 no more war profits for the rich paid for with American blood!
Well DISGUSTING, actually, I love America...I'm just tired of watching you MORONS screw it up. And, I just love it when you LIB TARDS see the truth and get so PISSY...makes my day.
bucsdad, your excerpt did not come from Reuters. What you posted was an op/ed response to a Reuters article. Here, you can see the excerpt, plus the commentary. The source article has none of the commentary.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/in-bush-v-obama-bush-wins-in-a-rout/
President Obama and Team America killed Bin Laden. Bush and republicans didn't and gave up. Romney said it was too expensive to continue hunting for Bin Laden. Got that? once more......ROMNEY SAID HE WOULD NOT CONTINUE LOOKING FOR BIN LADEN BECAUSE IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE! rOMNEY ALL READY FAILED THE TEST TO BE PRESIDENT.
MONEY $$$$$$$$ MATTERED MOST TO ROMNEY INSTEAD OF CAPTURING OR KILLING BIN LADEN.
Vote Obama/Biden 2012.........for a continued strong America.
The only reason the unemployment rate is down at all is because so many people have used all their benefits and can't collect any more so their numbers drop off the unemployment rolls. It used to be a meaningful number but not any more.
Gov. Romney is running for President. He will interpret the news as he wishes to message it to make his case. President Obama will do the same thing. I don't fault either of them for that.
What I feel is important to point out is that this improvement is in spite of the pre-meditated and enacted obstructionism AND it's built (at least partially) on a belief of the American businesses and workers that things are getting better. The "mood" of th ecountry is improving, therefore the outlook is, therefore the economy will.
It's also partially built on the direct policies of the current President. And frankly, I'd rather have slow, sustained growth than another fast crash which I truly believe Gov. Romney's policies would bring.
I believe Aesop's "Tortoise and Hare" has relevance
One more thing for all you Obama fans: go see 2012:Obama's America. I think you will be shocked by what you learn.
CJ OH - First, you have the movie title wrong. Second, it has already been debunked as a Karl Rove propaganda piece. If you're shocked by it - you don't have a clue! But, I can sell you land on the moon!
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It's 2016:Obamas America and it's a hit piece filled with lies an inaccuracies by the director's own admission.
that movie is the GOP answer to Micheal Moore, although the answer should have been "no, thank you"
CJ - no big deal you mist by 4 years only, however it is already bad. I saw it and so did some one form CBS or NBC (can't remember whcih one) and they gave it a very good review. As for me I found it a bit to dramatic, some good points some opinion but in all my family and a theater full of Jews were surprised by the accuracy and were to go to do the fact checking.
I did not chang my mind but it did change the mid of many including my best liberal girlfriend and her husband. Yes there were also some Afro-American including myself and we all remained seated and exchange thought after the movie ended. I believe that it won some award for best documentary.
Keep your mind open and do not ever Idolize any head of state ofr politician. Remember what happens to Countries that do.
Afro-American?
Detroit - yes the movie is being panned as pure fallacy and propaganda. It isn't even making the money they thought it would. It's clearly not really a documentary but pure propaganda. The only people I know who went to see it - two Republicans - said they actually laughed at the idiotcy of it. Said it is for really ignorant people who just want to believe the worst.
Obama/Biden 2012
thetotas - "Afro-American" I'm not even going to ask.
"Afro-American" must be the new Black...according to Rushbo?
Kitty - my guess is it's according to the resident idiot - just a guess but it definitley sounds like her!
My God were you people born last Saturday or what? Afro-American is an old term used for African-American 20 to 30 years ago. Everything old is new again. Get off your high frigging horses. Is that all you got is to demean and ridicule someone else's posts? Oh, I forgot, it reassures you of your perceived superiority.
go see 2012:Obama's America.
It's nothing but a right wing propaganda film. If you're stupid enough to put any faith in it, that's your problem.
I suggest you go see it and take notes. Then, if Obama wins, refer to it often in late 2013 into 2014 and beyond to see just who was stupid in 2012
Talk to - not even close. Afro-American has NOT been used in the past to describe African Americans. Never. And, we already know who's stupid in 2012 - those supporting Romney!
Obama/Biden 2012
2016, not worth $9.00, slice and dice Dinesh/Rove Propaganda film, quite frankly not even in the same league as Goebbels head slappers. Made too many trips to the concession stand ate too much popcorn, what a waste going to see something truly fit only for Romney's red meat crowd, we were curious, wasted good couch potato time. Got home and turned on the dvr to watch Breaking Bad and drank a gallon of water from the overdosing on theater popcorn.
Obama 2012
I Define Insanity, here you go!
There you have a few "living in a bubble boy". I was alive then and remember it quite well. Now who is stupid?
Typical lib/progressive. You prove them wrong and they disappear. I'll do it for you:
You're welcome. And I don't know who gave you 2 up votes on your comment but they can share the teaching I just gave you also.
Talk to the hand. Thanks for the information and your hand in giving information to this young girls. which I have come to believe that they are not really females but only posting as.
SeekingSanitation- should really find some toilet paper and wipe her/his mouth with it. They want to be so smart and elite that most time they come off as stupid litlle girls.
I bet you that they do not even know that many of us had what was called an AFRO hair style.
SS - why so quiet, cat got your tongue.
My pleasure. And they always ask us to do research (like we don't) before posting. Guess that one slipped right by them as SS was so damned sure. : ) And now I see it is 5 up votes for a misinformed comment. Some people are like sheep. They look at the poster's name and automatically vote it up. Just like carrying Obama's water. Blindly following. Gotta laugh.
man it true, you dumbasses are blind."why do republicans hate america, we arnt the ones cutting the military, um cutting medicare, apoligizing to Ass muslums overseas, having adds that call romney a Murderer. DEFICIT. Bush 8 yrs= 4trill, obama 4 yrs 6 trill. and this job report. dont you think it odd 3 days after obama get his ass whipped it goes down a lowsy .3%. Man this @!$%# cant do anything wrong can he, romney dont lie obama does. Quote from obama." if i can cut the deficit in half my first 4 years i will be a 1-term president". it was 10 trill, now its 16 trill. ummmmmm you people blind or just dumb?.
However, the jobs numbers are one of the more hopeful signs for the economy on balance. An average of 146,000 jobs have been created per month over the past year, or closer to 157,000 with the government’s anticipated benchmark revisions accounted for.
Those aren’t great numbers by any means, and would translate to an annualized growth rate of 1.4 percent. But over the past 25 years, payroll jobs have grown at an annualized rate of 1.1 percent, or the equivalent of about 125,000 jobs added per month given today’s population. By this measure, it’s been a fairly average economic year, although certainly not enough to make up for the productivity that was lost from the economy in 2008 and 2009.
The rate of jobs growth is now just slightly behind the one that was enough to re-elect George W. Bush in 2004, when an average of 168,000 jobs were created between January and September 2004.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/jobs-news-makes-obamas-case-easier/#more-35589
But unlike last month, when a decline in the unemployment rate was caused by the exit of workers from the labor force, the household survey also reflected genuinely good news in September. According to that survey, 413,000 workers joined the labor force in September. But 873,000 more people became employed, causing the unemployment rate to fall to 7.8 percent.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/jobs-news-makes-obamas-case-easier/#more-35589
Just another example of the GOP rooting against this country for political reasons! It galls me that they cheer every bad thing that happens and denigrate every good thing that happens--yet they claim to be the 'true Americans and we liberals are the unAmerican ones!
sue: Repubs need gloom and doom, they need Americans and America to suffer, that is the only way they can see back into the WH.
But Americans are wise to their lies and dirty tricks.
Amen, Sueb1.
What is the first thing the Republicans do when hearing of a good jobs report? Accuse the administration of cooking the books. I think it is like the voter registration fraud we now see---they accuse the Democrats of cooking the books because that it what they would do if they could. News flash, Republicans---we Democrats don't lie and cheat---we attract people with our good ideas. Lying and cheating is the only way you will win a national election.
Dragon, they always used fear to get people to vote for them; but, this is so much worse...it's immoral, unAmerican and downright evil. I hope you're right that we are wise to them. (I can't believe that I used to be a republican....this GOP is NOT the one I grew up with!)
Not surprised that Pinocchio would play it down. For him to admit that he was wrong twice in one day, OMG. I think it is just hilarious, let's see, job growth up, GOP voter registration fraud being investigated. Polls have not changed since Debate that Romney won?? It is too funny. Karma is a Biotch...
Steeler Fan- Like your name but you are full of $#*%! Democrats don't lie? You just proved that Democrats do lie. You are going to tell me you have never lied in your life? Both parties lie and so do you. Do you know how stupid your statement was? And they also cheat. You sir are really a stupid person to make that kind of statement. We will all see who wins after the election but I really don't think your guy is going to win. If you think for one minute that books are cooked and Polls are not skewed, you are even more stupid then you actually sound. Fact is both parties lie and cheat and cook books to make each other look good. I just think the Democrats do it more.
They were in such a lather over ACORN, which was cleared of any wrongdoing, and yet asked Nathan Sproul (known for fraud) to create an organization committed to voter registration fraud. If fraud was not the intent, why did the RNC ask him to hide his association with Strategic Allied.
Now I am curious who the company was that Newt hired to collect signatures on his behalf. Remember when he got busted?
Republicans *have* to suppress the vote and disenfranchise people. Too many people registered as Dems and voted for Obama in 2008 and they do not want to see that happen again.
It would be good news if there were more numbers backing the 7.8% number. There are none ... that's when you start asking yourself: "How is the 7.8% calculated and what exactly does it mean?"
Sueb1-- You are absolutley correct, this is NOT the Republican party we grew up with, they actually KNEW THINGS, like how to WORK TOGETHER with Democrats to get things DONE and move our country FORWARD!I even voted Republican once, and then I grew up! And that is exactly what is missing from today's Republican Party....GROWN UPS! They have done nothing , but cry like a bunch of little children since November 8 2008,they've been acting like them too; they stomp their feet and scream and yell if they don't get their way. And let us not forget our "friends on the EXTREME RELIGIOUS RIGHT" the ones who want to take women's rights back to the 1950's WHEN WE DID'NT HAVE ANY. That would be utopia to this crowd!!!
7.8 Romney plays this down, Well i guess he hasn't checked the fact list yet my job is hiring more people now then in the last few years. they just hired 8 this week 10 then week before and they our retaining more of their older employee's! looking around town i see more for hire signs going up! Mr.Romney actions at the debate in the opening moments to make his first statements on getting Rid of PBS and feeling sorry about big Bird re mines me of the people that losts their jobs when he was at Bains. If you take Little time to review the past you'll see that he changes with the wind but really goes back to being the person he is. Romney was brought up with the teaching You first lure then in with great promises once in your in and depending on them! My question is i have family that follow theseteaching and now they rely on them as long as you follow their rules!What i seeis a person who will be in a office who can change life as it is! First he in then the rest come in the Back door isn't that what happen at Bain's. Its like when they come to your door and you say no thanks they just keep coming back. Each time with a new story until you let them in are call the police. Romney says he can rule without the church but his teaching say he must follow the these teaching i don't know how he can and if he decides on a problem will he have to get the blessing of his church. He says that won't happen but he also know he can't go against his teaching. This is why we can not vote for him. We will not take the chance because once in you won't be able to stop them. I am not against his church but i have questions on the teachings and just how far they will let him stray!
@Gene. Im in Ohio and same thing here, there was only a handfull in the place where I work at now and they worked out of a house, now they have grown and had to get 3 offices in a building, and have been hiring left and right. They have posted ads for help and now they are resorting to people that hire thru temp agencies, I have seen some come in and only work 1 day and quit, there are more jobs out there, some people just don't wanna work. The economy has grown, like I said not as fast as people wanted it to, but the rates are down and their is more jobs being produced, so that's a start, at least we are not going backwards so something has to be working!
There are how many unemployed or underemployed in this country?
And how many jobs were generated last month?
And I understand that many are government or part time jobs which will end soon. So the president is going to crow about this piddling number, trying to minimize the effect of his lack of participation last Wednesday?
If you are buying this drivel, liberals then you are ready to buy swamp land in the Okefenokee swamp. Please line up to the left. Thank you.
Maybe this coming next, but I'm surprised that the Republicans haven't tried taking credit for the job creation. Instead of trying to dimiss the jobs report, wouldn't it make more sense to try and claim ownership of any job gains?
Vinnie,
Mittens will change his tune later. Like he did with healthcare and the auto bailout. He will first bash and say they were a bad idea, them when he finds out they are popular he will take credit for it.
Governor Romney, YOU didn't build that. WE did.
Steeler--Look at the way the GOP is trying to suppress the vote; they wouldn't have to do that if they had good ideas, if they hadn't alienated 47% of the American people and if they hadn't obstructed economic recovery, the vets job bill, the farm relief bill, etc!!!
Not only that, Sueb1--they see where things are going with the Latino vote. Their base of older white people and evangelicals is shrinking. They can't win being fair so they aren't fair.
Steeler Fan, in our state the Latinos are not making any headway during this administration. In fact, many are heading south, to the land of their birth to try to recover. Does not mean anything, I am sure but many are certainly not happy with the lies that Obama served up to get elected.
Proof is in the paycheck and those are getting hard to come by.
Republicans took our country into Credit Default, remember that? Republicans are all about "Power" getting re-controll of this country while they have cause much suffering for millions of Families by Blocking and Tackling every Bill presented in congress that could move our country forward.
What was the cost of all those Abortion Bills in DC by Paul Ryan & Akin defining "Forceable Rape"?
Then add all those dollars in every Republican State used to pass Abortion Laws and Supress the Vote?
Republicans what's the cost?
While they sat on the Public Dole, spent our hard earned tax dollars to do everything but move America forward all for "Power"
America time to hold these folks accountable?
Less demand the cost of those abortion laws, voter supression laws and every law Republicans attempted to pass that did not contribute to the growth of our country. That would be many
"Forceable Rape" just think you have a VP who sponsored a bill saying women would lie about being Raped and that women are not really raped and agreed with Todd Akin about that ridiculous Body Shut Down women mysteriously have. That's who Paul Ryan is and his turning Medicare into a Voucher Plan
America we are moving forward in spite of the Obstruction we have seen from the Republican Party
Sandie-excellent post....and may I say, that under Romney's definition of the victims who won't take responsibility and live off the government...Congress is part of the 47%!!!!
We lost 280,000- jobs in SDeptember, 2008 and gained 114,00 in September, 2012. That is a turnaround of nearly 400,000 jobs. If this presidency is all about jobs, Obama is headed in the right direction. Romney's empty promises that he will make it better are snake oil sales trash. I will go with the proof created by Obama, not the fiction developed by Romney. Does anyone want to go back to 2008?????
Spine -
Hate to break it to you , but we lost over 350,000 jobs (first time unemployment claims reported last week) in September, 2012; for a net LOSS of over 225,000 jobs in Septermber, 2012.
By the way, the last time I checked, 350,000 > 280,000.
I would have to go back to check, but we added at least some jobs back in September of 2008. even if not enough to counter all of the job losses at the time.
So, while you are trying to compare apples to oranges (as in losses vs. gains [and making yourself look ignorant]), you should be comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
But then, liberals have to try to make their idol look good - just so that they can rationalize his failure to themselves.
You libs are too fricking funny! The real unemployment level, the U-6 rate, is above 15% and has trended far above the U-3 rate (that which is reported by the media). For you mental midgets out there Romney's remarks were totally accurate. The only reason the U-3 level dropped was due to the number of people who have actually stopped looking for work. Gawd, an entire generation lost to the liberal public education establishment......
Not true, I don't know about where you live, but, around here, there are help wanted signs all over and that's something we haven't seen for awhile. Why can't you republicans say "Way to go; but, we still have a long way to go before the unemployment rate is acceptable!"
JH-
(1) The media ALWAYS reports the U-3, not the U-6.
(2) "The report from the Bureau of Labor statistics shows workforce participation remained essentially flat in September..."
Did you forget to read the entire article, again?
This just in, yeah its from FOX news which is actually rated higher than MSNBC, but then again most are. No one can accuse me of having a close mind.
Rasmussen Reports released post-debate polls in Ohio, Virginia and Florida. They showed a dead heat in all three.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/05/battleground-polls-tighten-in-aftermath-debate/#ixzz28SCEoWT1
If Rasmussen shows a dead heat you may be assured that Obama is leading by 3 to 4%.
arnold, You do realize you are supporting the reelection of the worst president of all time, don't you? Q. How will Obama sustain his crazy spending? Q. Do you think Obama is a smarter businessman than Romney?
Cognito - nope - not even close. Worst President of all time is George W. Bush - hands down!
Obama/Biden 2012
Insanity- Mitt's comment to Obama that if you repeated enough times it becomes true has to apply to you too.
No Bush is not consider the worst. Not even Carter is the worst.
236 years of presidents and Obama is the worse. Do you even know who all the presidents are, let alone how well they governed? Sheesh! Polly want a cracker!
Never quote Fox, you will be laughed at by all that realized a long time ago they are a mouth piece for the Repubs. Fox is not a news show it is a propaganda machine. The news does not have to be correct, it can be a lie and they are happy to spread lies. Why do you think the conservatives like Rove only go on Fox, they will not questioned or made uncomfortable with anything they say. Fox news has made a mockery of journalism. The ONLY good thing about Fox is they are out front and honest about who they are and why they exist, they do not even try to hide their prejudice agenda.
Let's see .... Fox, CBS, CNN, ABC and even MSNBC all reported that Romney had won the debate. And your "Logic" ??? is to suggest FOX lied. Fox also reported the same labor dept report this morning and your "Logic" is to say FOX lied ???
Meanwhile, MSNBC and/or NBC have pretty much been the propaganda arm of Obama/Biden !
You're quite the distortionist, aren't you ?
mgm - Most of us realize FOX is just for really bad entertainment. When they quickly hired Palin they destroyed any vestige of integrity or professionalism. They showed the network for what it is - a joke!
Obama/Biden 2012
MSNBC has Jimmy Hoffa up by 6%. NBC by 8%
Romney/Ryan 2022 - You and your children's only hope.
To Jim-1455434....good call, Fox, CBS, CNN, ABC, and MSNBC all indeed said that Mitt won the first debate...Hell Even I say Mitt won the first debate....But Jim how is it that MSNBC and NBC are the Propaganda Arm of Obama when we both just said that even they admitted that Obama lost that first debate? Shouldn't they have spun this in favor of Obama?
They had no choice but to say the debate was won by Romney. I just want to see a list of all the good that Obama has done for this country. Its more divided than ever. He can't just keep giving money away.VOTE for the person you think will do the best job. Not based on anything else.
Let me say this, Romney needs to sit his simple Simon ass down. Go get his facts together then say something of importance. How in the hell can he talk about being poor when you have never been poor? How can he try and relate to middle class and lower incomes families when he has always been rich? How can you form your lips to say you know what it feels like to get a pink slip when you have always had money? Disconnect for you is a word you seem to have taken on as a good thing..news flash it's not!
The Republicans have always searched for a way to sell their bull @!$%# to the American public as if they really are looking to include them in their "help get us back on track" mess when in reality all they have ever down is play the "good of boy" politics to keep those with money with ways of getting more through man made loop holes. Anyone that believes in this man is a straight up fool. You need someone to believe so bad that you will go along with any stupid thing this man says just to NOT give Obama credit for doing things good. The rich are feeling tapped in their pocket and that's why they want Obama gone. People understand life and the ways things have been rich, middle class and poor and stages that aren't going away.The rich can't stay rich spending their own money...the middle class and mostly the poor people help keep them on top. You are by default fall in one of those groups period.
They want to find fault in Obama so bad it's kill them. Where were these same people when Bush was @!$%#ing up the country and why cant didn't anybody stand up and say something while he was messing it up? Oh that's right because Bush kept the rich richer so why would they complain? Have you forgotten Bush put this country in debt and walked away with a life paycheck on the American public? You do know he gets paid for life even though he messed up the countries money, do you still that was a good thing? When has anyone on the job be able to break the business for 8 years and still get a paycheck for doing?
It took Bush 8 years to run the world in debt and Republicans expect Obama to fix another Republicans mess and be overly successful, really do the math 8 year to mess it up and you expect 4 years to fix it... Romney needs to good on tour as a magician because he would be the best at blowing smoke and mirrors of bull @!$%# enough like he has thus far to where to people who be happy (his supporters) just to have been fool into believing he "WAS" trying to do something that not even he knew what it what it is. He believes people are stupid, hell, he even stated he doesn't care about 47% of the people who he feels doesn't make a difference and yet his supporters still believe in this man, really? Does he have to call you stupid before you hear him? Does the Republicans really hate Obama the President or because he is black and just like bush when he leaves from his second term he to will get paid despite what Republicans think of him?
The world has changed and the people of 2012 and beyond are not fooled by Romney pretending to give a damn about the American people while making pointless points with not proof, you need to come up with a new trick to fool them and it best be a good untraceable one because we see you mitt, we see through you like a piece of glass and it is clear you don't want to "fix" anything as President you just want the job. So you can continue to avoiding telling the world "your plan" if elected and keep on trying to find fault in Obama if you like , just know that the world isn't that stupid and they know you have yet to say anything, stand behind anything or show you care about anything. Keep on taking care of your rich friends and chill somewhere okay because this job isn't going to be your this November. Your comments are who you are and you best believe the woman, races and people over all can see that.
So do us all a favor go back where you came from and sit down and start over ...think about @!$%#, define @!$%# and act on @!$%# you believe in and not go along with those giving you money and when Obama is done in his second term you can reapply for his job okay. At this point if Obama wasn't running I would beg Bush to come back at least he made it clear once he got in and in so many words before he got in that he didn't give a damn about the world just his friends and family period, he took a stand on some thing which you are yet to do and that is sad because of your position right now you don't even have a brain to think for your damn self.
In that case Obama will definitely win. Obama did not divide this country the Republicans divided this country when they tried to make this president a one term president. This president has took more crap then any other president in office. The Republican party has been the party of no progress . So do not blame it on our president.
Romney/Ryan 2022 - You and your children's only hope.
Since Job1 always post his Polls, I'm posting this ones from Rasmussen in order to be balcance.
Rasmussen Reports - Key states as follow;
Colorado: Romney 47%, Obama 45%
Florida: Romney 49%, Obama 47%
Iowa: Romney 47%, Obama 44%
Missouri: Romney 49%, Obama 46%
North Carolina: Romney 51%, Obama 47%
Nevada: Obama 47%, Romney 45%
Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 49%
Virginia: Romney 49%, Obama 48%
Wisconsin: Obama 49%, Romney 46%
Colorado: Romney 47%, Obama 45%
Why anybody would want another four years of Obama is an absolute mystery.
Polls change daily. And every one of them has different numbers. But if it makes you feel better...
Cogito,
A mystery?
Well considering the alternative wants Bush's policies put on steroids it becomes less of a mystery.
Tells us Cogito...how have those Bush tax cuts helped either the deficit or employment picture? Tell me how reducing taxes further (which is much need revenue considering how in debt we are) and gutting programs that also employee people will fix this economy?
Mitt can't even explain but if you can....I'm listening.
I am waiting for the answer as well.
Why anybody would want another four years of Obama is an absolute mystery.
Obama may not be the greatest President but he has and is making progress in very difficult times. The real mystery is Mitt Romney--who is he, what is he, who does he want to be? No one knows and he will tell you exactly what you want to hear and do the exact opposite tomorrow.
Oh yeah! Go party and get drunk!!
Run, Big Bird, run; Romney's coming for you!!!
Vote, Big Bird Lovers, vote; save Big Bird!!!!!
Sueb1
Yes, yes, run before Obama eats you.
Romney\Ryan 2012. Save the amimals from being eaten.
Big Bird..Look Out... Romney wants to outsource you to Col Sanders...
You have a problem with Obama eating bird?.....What do you have for Thanksgiving dinner?
Obama/Biden 2012
Romney 1040
Sueb1... actually we have Ham... my wife doesn't like turkey...sigh...
O & Joe 2012
Ninja--I hate turkey; but, I eat it at Thanksgiving. Now put some KFC in front of me, I'll eat the whole bucket
Its Honey Boo Boo and Barney the Dinosaur that need to get taken out for the good of mankind. Memo to CIA: try and get this done before the electon. You can borrow my camcorder. Note to secretary: call Chris Mathews and tell him something good is happening atround the end of this month.
Romney is praying for America to fail, so that he can blame it on OB...I will not vote for this slick rich guy!
The entire rep party has been praying for that. Tent cities, single mothers working two-three minimum wage jobs at a time, MBAs moving back in with their parents. They couldn't care less. They want power. Sociopaths, the lot of them!
So your going to vote for the sick, rich anti american president?
The anti American is Mitt Romney he fly's a cayman Island flag and does his banking overseas. Why would you want someone of his stature for president. Maybe he can go run for president where he has all his money hidden.
I don't think the American people want Mitt for President, he can't understand a simple fact like the unemployment rate dropping. It is what it is. Just acknowledge it and that it is good for the American people and move on to your other policies. Denying the facts just makes Mitt look out of touch and desperate.
He questions the authenticity of the numbers. It takes 150,000 jobs per month to realize a recovery. Some how 114,000 reduces the unemployment rate? Homey don't think so. Understand?
When you are desperate to recover after the debacle of last Wednesday what is skewing a few numbers to deflect the fact that Mr. Obama does not have anything new to offer for recovery? Borrow more, bankrupt the country, and defend a policy that failed in Germany, Greece, Spain and evidently is causing some blue state cities to go bankrupt, does that sound like recovery to you?
One hundred and fourteen thousand jobs, many in government and part time positions that can be and will be temporary, only used to bolster Democrats scrambling for anything to make Mr. Obama look less the inept president he has proven to be
. For crying out loud, get a new candidate, one with the skills to help the country and quit trying to put lipstick on a pig and calling it a movie star. He can't do it. He does not know how.
Romney's reaction to the drop in Unemployment shows us so clearly what Mitch McConnell and John Boehner and Eric Cantor, and the Tea Partiers have been doing for the past four years. The message for all Americans? These people don't give a damn about you or your life. They care only about themselves. They care only about the rich. Their only goal is to betray you and bring down President Obama. They rejoice when Unemployment goes up. They wring their hands and gnash their teeth when Unemployment goes down. Why? Because it shows us that we're in good hands with President Obama.
Hey Morton, why are you so jealous of someone who actually made a success of himself. You are a bigot if you think Romney doesn't care about people, and it's obvious you paid no attention to what people who know him said about him helping them out unselfishly and without all the press and adulation Obama seems to crave. I'm not rejoicing about the so called unemployment record that just came out today because frankly, it's a lie. And anyone with half a brain knows the figures don't add up! Just like the lies Obama and his administration told us Americans about our Ambassador being murdered by savages. However, you wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the face so I can only pity you for being so ignorant.
amerigal...do you know what the word bigot means? How does thinking that Romney doesn't care about people make anyone a bigot?
You GO amerigal! You're absolutely right! Romney does care about people! There's the RICH and the other 53%! And he's said so not only once but TWICE! That is the real Romney! His true colors come out when he thinks no one is listening or the cameras are turned off! We're not jealous of his "success." But, I don't believe that sucess can be measured by the number of dollars you have stashed away in a Swiss or Cayman bank. It's what you leave behind...and what he's left behind are thousands of people without jobs when as the CEO of Bain, he outsourced thousands of dollars to foreign countries and or shuttered businesses. Now, of course that was his job, to make money for his investors, but at what cost? At the cost of his own fellow Americans. Yes he cares alright.
Second, there is no need to call people bigots or state that they may have half a brain. We are allowed to have our own opinion and express it.
Hey Amerigal STFU with your complaining. Anyone with 1/4 of a brain knows there are jobs if you get some training. The only savages on american soil are tbaggers. Why cant your ilk just appreciate good news? go call your "secret" so he can smack you in the face with his bbc. Frankly, that is your secret truth
Mitt is the biggest manipulator I've seen in 30+ plus years. He will do and say anything to get the oval office. Vote for him if you like but I'm sure he will sell America (land, river, mountains, and grass) out as soon as he get the office. Buyer beware!!
Mitts bitter reaction to the new unemployment figures is a reaction well anticipated. You know, Mitt has to do the "lying for the Lord", it is part of the Mormon cult dogma and teachings. Now the next thing coming from the Republican playbook is the California gas prices. What they don't want you to know it is the refineries manipulating the prices and some of those "closed for maintenance" refineries are owned by, you guessed it, the Koch brothers. Does that surprise anyone?
Mitt is a bully and a spoiled rich man.
Dear Romney; you wouldn't know for one second what it is to struggle, look for a job or do without. Please do not try to tell us you understand what the middle class is going through because you you haven't a clue. I am proud of being an independent thinker vs. a die hard Repub or die hard Dem. You are strictly voting party line. Just an fyi.. Those that are busy lining the pockets of our politicians are the ones who make or break us. So you guys go ahead and praise Romney but he is not the answer to our problems.
These politicians, media outlets have you exactly where they want you. completely devided and brain washed.
Until they learn to work together and provide solutions that will help all not just some nothing will change. Power and greed are ruling. Not for one second do I believe that anyone in Washington or any politician gives a rats a*** about us. It is the benefits, the money and power they are after.
That is all Romney wants period. Make his daddy proud.
To the palace gates.. the revolution is on..
Complete disconnect between candidates and reality. A few of the most qualified people might be finding jobs, but the job market for too many is virtually non-existent. If you're mid-50s or older, forget about it. Even Walmart stopped hiring greeters. 5-10 percent of the population has simply been lopped off the economic tree.