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Ed Andrieski / AP
President Barack Obama waves as he arrives at a campaign rally in Denver, Thursday, Oct. 4, 2012.
DENVER -- A fired-up President Barack Obama spoke to a crowd of more than 12,000 at a Denver campaign event Thursday and seemed to exude the energy and aggressiveness that many of his supporters felt was missing at last night's presidential debate.
Trying to rebound from what many called a listless performance last night, Obama argued today that the Mitt Romney who appeared at the debate was not the “real Mitt Romney.”
First Read: Romney helps himself
“When I got on stage, I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney,” he said. “But it couldn’t have been Mitt Romney, because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the year, promising $5 trillion dollars in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. The fellow on stage last night didn’t seem to know anything about that.”
The president dedicated the first part of his speech to retroactively rebutting Romney’s debate talking points.
President Obama speaks to supporters in Denver, Colo., following the first debate of the 2012 presidential race.
Last night, Romney said his plans to trim the deficit wouldn’t mean teacher cuts: “I reject the idea that I don’t believe in great teachers or more teachers. Every school district, every state should make that decision on their own.”
Romney had the final word on the matter last night, but today Obama told his supporters: “The real Mitt Romney said we don’t need anymore teachers in our classrooms ... But the fellow on stage last night, he loves teachers, can’t get enough of them.”
Last night, Obama also missed an opportunity to highlight his opponent’s personal tax records after Gov. Romney said, “I’ve been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I maybe need to get a new accountant ... but the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case."
Today, Mr. Obama fired off this retort: “We know for sure it was not the real Mitt Romney because he seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant.”
Kevin Lamarque / Reuters
President Barack Obama greets supporters during a campaign rally in Denver on Oct. 4, 2012.
And while Romney drew a lot of public criticism for suggesting his deficit reductions would include stripping federal funding for PBS -- and by extension “Big Bird” -- Obama did not challenge him on the point until today: “He said he’d eliminate funding for public television... I mean thank goodness someone is finally getting tough on ‘Big Bird.’ ”
The crowd responded to the president’s jabs with loud cheers, but for many the disappointment from the president’s debate performance had already set in.
Axelrod: 'I'm sure we will make adjustments'
Bruce Shaffer of Boulder told NBC News, “I wanted him to be more of a president and sound strong, sound confident and be more of the leader we need.”
That's because he had his teleprompter
It's hard to debate Gov. Romney when you don't know which one is going to show up at any given time. Will you be debating the moderate former Governor of Massachusetts, the conservative Tea Party firebrand we saw during the GOP primary season or, as turned out to be the case, the champion of the middle class and the working man?
That being said, Obama stunk last night.
After kicking America in the ass for 4 years, I'm glad someone finally gave Obama a swift kick right in the nuts!
Watching MSNBC analyze the debate last night was like watching the Titanic analyze the iceberg!
Time to send this incompetent, pathetic, so-called leader packing back to Chicago!!
Romney/Ryan 2012
really, people still think teleprompter jokes are funny? easily amused.
Madone,
Another point is it is hard to debate when you have no record to run on. When Romney said the economy is worse this year than last year the President had no rebuttal. On health care he talked about how well a private company Cleveland Clinic was doing and how they were saving money which goes against his arguments.
When Romney said with the $90B you spent on green companies you could have hired 2 million teachers he had no answer.
I'm still voting for Obama but last night would have been a better time to be fired up. Just saying. :)
He should have, and could have repeatedly gone after the buffoon. Instead he let Mitt interrupt and move the debate from the question asked. Of course Mitt never really got into specifics, he never will. But Obama F'ed up big time not putting on the gloves and going rounds with Mitt.
That said I expect the same fools will vote for Mitt as before. I don't think it was enough to win much. But we'll see. :)
The American economy is sucking wind in the slow-bama "recovery".
I know I can't
I know I can't
I know I can't
I know I can't
Barry Obama, the little engine that couldn't.
Nobama 2012 Really, Things Could Be Worse-
Give Me Four More Years and I'll Prove It
What I would
like to see is that 2007 tape not being shown. Can we get that on your network?
Curious about the racial comments made by Obama or if they were truly racial
comments
I can't believe you believe your own bull$h--.
If Obama could have attacked Romney on anything HE WOULD HAVE EXPOSED HIM right then and there!
Instead, it was Obama who was exposed to be an incompetent fool who has no business being in the White House!
Are you really that ignorant to believe money can be that easily funneled from one completely unrelated government agency to another on a whim?
Oh wait, you're voting for Mitt. Never mind, I answered my question for you. :)
BTW That 90 billion on green energy figure is misleading. The 90 Billion in question is not for green energy only, it is also for the COAL INDUSTRY to develop cleaner coal plants. You know, what Mitt said he was for too. :)
Thing is people who listen to Mitt's lies are too stupid to see past them. Americas only hope is there's less of them than the opposite. Of that I am not sure.
really, people still think teleprompter jokes are funny? easily amused.
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Tell that to lefty liberal mega-moron Bill Mahar.
Obama : Teleprompter is my Best friend.
Right Obamabots? "I voted for Obama in 08"
Too late.....you lost......badly!
Shove it up your @$$. :)
Jeff,
You cannot funnel money when the budget you propose gets zero votes and when the Democrats in the Senate cannot come up with a budget in 3 years.
He should be "energized"...he rested through the whole debate!
Actually yes it could have. Instead of blowing hard earned tax payer dollars in FAILED green energy, you invest in EDUCATION.
Tough concept for you Libs I know, I guess we're hoping you'll come around someday.
Fat chance I guess.
Did you even read what I wrote? I think you need to read it again.
watched Fox News during my lunch, they had a group of "indepenents" who thought Romney won the debate.
a girl said "I really liked that Mitt Romney didnt have any specifics, he's going to go to the White House, sit down with democrats and republicans, and work together on coming up with solutions"...and everyone agreed.
Then a few minutes later, quite a few said "what I really liked about the debate, Mitt Romney had a ton of specifics"
*EPIC FACE PALM
so, uh, how will Mitt Romney work with Democrats, if Democrats pull a republican move and declare "our mission is to make Mitt Romney a 1 term president"?
Obama didnt have much luck getting them to cooperate, explain why Republicans are optimistic that Romney will have luck getting democrats to work with him?
Unless of course, you're going to admit that democrats care more about America than they do themselves, and therefore, wont make that proclaimation and WILL work with the republican president as they have always done.
Who knew that Obama, who is such an elegant speaker, could be such an incoherent boob in a debate.
Easier to be Energized and Enthusiastic when no one is standing next to you calling BS. The cheering crowds wil pick him up but last night was a WIPEOUT and did some damage!
Ooooh, Jeffy lost his cool.....thereby proving my theory that libs can dish it out, but can't take it worth a damn!
Is somebody who's monitoring this going to hand out a suspension for the blatant code violation?
The problem was the real Obama showed up. The one who only has talking points and no substance ............AND............UMMMMM it really showed who the REAL leader was last night. And in case you think it was Obama your truly clueless.
Listen up nimrods. Mitt won the debate. No arguments there. BUT he didn't get specific and in the end STILL has no explanation for all the things he says he'll do.
Mitt will magically end gridlock and work with the Democrats, right after he dismantles everything they did the last 4 years.
LOL and PIGS WEAR LIPSTICK. :D
I can just see the Democrats. Guess who they'll become if there's a Mitt for Pres?
Can you say OBSTRUCTIONISTS?
That's right Mitt, good luck working with the Democrats. :)
"Who knew that Obama, who is such an elegant speaker, could be such an incoherent boob in a debate."
According to Al Gore it was the altitude. How ridiculous! Liberalism is definitely a mental disorder.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/al-gore-actually-blames-high-altitude-in-denver-for-obamas-debate-performance/
No, we think it is sad that he can't have an original thought with out it.
President Obama should wear a Cowboy hat, and holster 2, 6 shooters, something Republicans can identify with.
I just don't understand why the Liberals can not accept the fact that Obama received a big time smackdown last night. This is what happens when you accept a challange for which you are not prepared. Kind of like the last four years. Best excuse yet whould be Al Gore's, blaming it on the altitude in Denver. What a bunch of Liberal sheeple. NO MORE OF 44
Lord for bid he does win the election -Mitt will have a first busy day - He said he would repeal Obamacare, Then he would sit down with both Democrat and Republican Leaders to see how they can work together. Yep - let me know how that goes Romeny.
One of the adoring talking heads speculated last night that Obama was a disaster but maybe Crazy Joe could save the day in the VP debate against the numbers crunching Ryan. That is desperate and delusional!
Look for Ryan to go to Joe's quote and agree that the "middle class has been buried the last four years"
It would be really refreshing if the American public would listen to the debates for what they are meant to be - an opportunity to listen to both sides. Just by reading 99% of these posts - those that are so loyal to the left or to the right are missing half of the big picture. You are watching with blinders on. Take them off and you might be enlightened.
Obama won't come out as limp wristed next time. But he is going to have trouble defending his record. See we're not in a golden age and after 4 years Bush still cant be boogeyman in the closet. See Obama continued or expanded a lot of Bush's misgivings. Obama wanted ACA, he thought he'd get it with little resistence. He thought he could get what he wants all the time. The radicals on both sides have trashed this country. I heard about budgets last night and I was surprised Romney didn't mention we as America still dont have one. Kind of important dont you think? We have a tanking economy and no structure (budget) and we talk of cures. I think Obama has a much greater hill to climb in the debates. Romney just has to continue what he did last night.
Watching the VP debate means that you've darned all your socks and washed your hair, and there's no "Storage Wars" of "Toddlers and Tiaras" on...
Good question for the VP debate;
"The leader of a semi-important ally dies...Do you wear the black suit or the navy blue? to the funeral"
Laker - the largest part of the stimulus funds (which is where the $90 billion for green energy came from) went to education.
He did invest in education, and additionally in Green Energy.
I'm not going to deny that the investment in these companies was handled poorly, but im sure even Mitt Romney has made a few bad investments in his career. Sometimes, you just cant tell what companies (or people) are going to rip you off.
Of course, Mitt admitted that he offshores work - by stating that he must not have had the right accountant all these years.
I think thats a bigger issue to contend with, because it's central to why our economy is struggling - fewer workers, fewer people in the middle income bracket means fewer people who are customers - and CUSTOMER DRIVE JOB GROWTH.
that has ALWAYS been #1 tennet of econ 101 - businesses hire because they have more customers than their current workforce can handle, not because their rich CEO's got tax breaks.
Where is Feisty the smelly Redhead? Slow day on here for her and her cronies. Must be tough pulling your fat @ss up from that knock out last night? LOL. Come on, tell us the excuse that Obama was in high altitude and couldn't catch his breath. Feisty, when you get socked in the gut by a man, being the little boy Romney made Obama out to be, it will knock the wind out of you.
Next fight will be another TKO by Ryan over "Stick foot in mouth" Biden.
Yep and well said.
Obama lost the debate. But the American public lost because there was nothing specific said. Mostly by Mitt but even Obama didn't get too particular when asked.
Obama's job last night was not to produce any gaffes and he succeeded. Romney needed to do well, and he did, only because he came in as a brand new candidate.
There is no way in hell Romney can permanently extend Bush era cuts, plus drop taxes an additional 20% and remain revenue neutral. He intends to cut mortgage interest and education tax deductions across all tax rates. There is no other way he can pay for it. We also don't need 2 trillion in new military spending.
Jeff -
Yeah that debating stuff is a lot tougher than going on the Letterman Show or the View .... tougher than just giving speeches to adoring mindless, leg humpers, huh?
Yet he had nothing, right?
Gosh, so your are agreeing Romney was in control, more effective? Isn't that what we want in a president? Or did you want Romney to lead from behind?
Obama got 4 1/2 minutes more than Romney .... maybe it was sympathy gesture since Obama looked so pathetic.
Romney explained the role of a chief executive, how to lead .... still over your head? No biggie ... it's over Obama's head too.
About specifics though, Romney isn't even elected, he isn't putting forth actual legislation (candidates kinda can't do that) .... and Obama and you guys whine about specifics - this coming from the party that passed actual legislation and said we have to pass it so we can find out what's in it while the "specifics" are still being written 3 years later!
Obama is nothing but a clueless community organizer way out of league - last night demonstrated it.
After watching Romney's performance and heart warming interaction with his family afterwards, how can anyone believe that he let a union worker's wife die, as obama's campaign has said?
And how could anyone believe that Romney has not paid any taxes as dirty Harry Reid has screamed to anyone who will listen?
Mitt has exposed the lies of the Obama administration... and now he's in crisis mode! Obama: "oil and gas production are at an all time high!" (lie #1) Romney: "it is private oil and gas production that is at an all time high, government production of oil and gas is NOT at an all time high"
Barry forgot that he has single handedly stopped oil/gas production in Alaska, the Gulf, and on both coasts!!! Liar, liar, pants on fire Mr BO (stinks)!
4 44 is coming true:
I'm sure the "Factcheckers" will get right on this one.
In the world of the partisan there only losers and their joy or disappointment is only a bi-product of their weak mind and weaker argument.
IF you weren't such a tool you would have looked only a few posts down from you. Just sayin. :)
Here "people died - obama lied" this is for you..And Puullleeeezz Wake Up!! Romney and his lovemate EddiMunster aka Lyin'Ryan Are laughing at you Fool!!
Ishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY&feature=player_detailpage
Listen, I will be voting for Obama no matter what but that was not his job. He should have buried Romney in the bullsh!t he was spewing and didn't. Sorry but Obama did fail last night.
According to the main stream media, this debate was supposed to be an easy victory for Obama. To accuse Romney the "day-after-the-debate" of being someone else on stage and also misspeaking facts is really poor character. Obama had the opportuntity to refute any facts that Romney spoke of; instead, he stood there, stumbled over his words, and was just a general embarrassment to his title and party. Obama can not speak without a teleprompter!
Thus you have Obama out on the road again today vomiting out more diatribe towards the Romney camp because you have "nothing" else on your record to speak about!
How embarrassing for the President!
Looks like softballs tossed by Letterman and Whoopi Goldberg and a complicit liberal media that never challenges you are not good preparation to debate with someone in posession of the facts. Despite the predictable left wing spin today, 58 million people watched yesterday and nothing Axelrod says can change their perceptions of the shellacking taken by Obama. He was never prepared for the job of president, yesterday he did not even look like he wants it anymore.
It is time for Obama to leave the confines of White House and take the fight to the enemy and a man who may be the next President. It is time for him to dispense with the fiction that a Black Man with passion is only... angry. It is time for him to dispense with the lie that being liked is somehow more desirable, elevated above and held in a higher regard by the American People then being perceived as strong. It is time for him to be more a President and leader then merely being presidential!
I learned fear last night! What we had, was a President who appeared to be not at all committed to a Second Term! This man had no fight, no passion and seemingly no plan-of-attack for his Party, the American people and yes... for me!
In my memory there has been no Republican candidate... so easy for the taking! Romney is a pathological panderer, serial flip flopper, ardent tax dodger and is so incapable of doing even the simplest of math that a 6 year old could bring him to task... throw in the Ryan Plan and it should have been a slaughter.
Does the President watch CNN, MSNBC, Current? Does he read Progressive blogs? Has he ever seen Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Mathews or Ed Schultz? Is he even remotely aware of all the proverbial ammunition, razor sharp facts, glaring contrasts, big truths and poison arrows he has at his behest?
His less then lackluster performance may have put us all on a path to a Corporatist Supreme Court, the end of the New Deal and the elimination of every last vestige of a Middle Class! What happened was historic and may have put our Nation on a path away from one that would have been to the betterment of us all and not just a very few.
He most certainly did not get into specifics and did nothing but rant on ideological BS. He never explained where he's getting all the cash for what he plans to do. He just says he'll work with Congress on what to cut as an excuse.
Mitt will wave the magic wand and all will be cured and Americans will be singing in the streets in perfect harmony, blah, blah, blah...
Mitt did nothing, said nothing and I learned nothing new from him.
Energized Obama tries to rebound after Wednesday's debate
Gee Barak, what happened after the debate? We know it was your anniversary, but that much energy to go around telling everyone that you felt you won?
I know... he finally got his teleprompter back... someone else is speaking through him. That's exactly where he's most comfortable.
I wonder if Obama will write an executive order before the next debate allowing teleprompters on stage during presidential debates....
When one partisan calls another a liar or fool it is the height of hypocrisy.
LOL.
We've been waiting for 4 years for Barry to explain $h--!
Hopey changey = Debt, unemployment, no economy, no job growth, illegal lawbreakers granted green cards, & 2 credit rating declines.
I think it's Obama who NEEDS TO EXPLAIN.
lol, some sheeple just don't get it! The real Obama has been exposed as incompetent -despite the love he gets from the old liberal media... Yet facts and truth are ignored because welfare checks for the cheats may be threatened by a Romney administration. And I think, that once elected, Mitt Romney will also look into that 47% of Americans who could, but don't pay any taxes at all!
Go Mitt! ...and aren't we excited to see how sleepy Joe will fare against Paul Ryan in their debates? Woohoo!!!!
That's fine and good in front of 12,000 people who already support the President that might get one minute of video on the news. You need your "A" game for the 3 national debates.
Be loud and energized when everyone can see you for two hours of uninterrupted debate against your challenger.
The President did not do well last night. But, there are 2 more debates and the President most of us know will be there for those. I love the fact that 12,000 showed up for him today.
What does Romney consider a crowd again - 1,000?
Honest people who actually have a clue know Romney did nothing but lie last night. That will come out.
Plus, just give him a few days - he'll do something else stupid - just wait and see. Old Mitt just can't help himself!
Obama/Biden 2012
After last nights failure by Obama and all some of you guys have to banter on about are age-old teleprompter jokes, really? :D
I got to admit you'll all fail if that's what you are thinking is important. :)
People Died Obama Lied,
"Mitt Romney is a clear winner"
Which Mitt Romney would that be? I have to ask because Romney has been so many different people. I just want to know which one you are talking about. That's all.
And to be honest I wish I heard you got some sleep today. You look like you needed it last night.
bscol - I disagree, I think if you arent sure who you want to vote for - then absolutely listen to both candidates with as wide open of a mind as possible.
However, the only way you can truly be "undecided" at this point is if you havent been paying attention, researching the candidates positions and listening to what they've been saying for the past 18 months.
The divide between the two parties and their platforms is quite large...so figuring out which party "speaks" to you shouldnt be hard.
If neither speaks to you, and there appears to be quite a few "independents and moderates" who claim this to be true - START A 3RD PARTY.
A 3rd Party that takes the best of both political worlds and makes them work, would be a surefire bet - but lo and behold, it has yet to ever materialize. I think thats true, because ultimately, there's no real way to bridge the divide, to bring both halves of our nation together, and agree on 90% of what can be agreed on so long as that 10% is always going to break the deal.
Can't wait to see Biden get his ass handed to him next.........
We've been waiting 4 years to see who Obama is!
Apparently it's someone who enjoys watching the middle class line up for food stamps, welfare & unemployment checks while the 1% are still very damn well the 1%!!!
MikeD - "And I think, that once elected, Mitt Romney will also look into that 47% of Americans who could, but don't pay any taxes at all!"
I hope he does, because half of them will be republicans and when they realize THEY are paying more so that millioniares and billionaires can get a 20% tax cut on their capital gains, Mitt wont seem like the saviour anymore.
Too little too late bonehead.
Stronghorse - I'm sure it would have been better for the President if he actually had media outlets that question his policies instead of asking him "how were the women on The View?" questions.
Laker Steve - Can't wait to see Biden get his ass handed to him next......... Don't hold your breath! Oh wait! DO!
Obama/Biden 2012
watching the VP debate will bring comic relief with Biden at the helm. I'm hoping he makes a remark about wanting to declare war on Antartica. Emperor penguins are killing the fish off.
the one that well Won.
miked-332794
I love it. You guys act like Romney won the election. It was one debate and guess what, Romney has 2 more and a month to f*ck up. And looking at the Romney trend, it is very likely that he will.
Enjoy your one debate because now Romney has to outdo himself and since he worked so hard on his zingers FOR MONTHS, he is freshly out of them.
Was this a Presidential debate? It sounded like two Dems going at it for the Dem nomination. How's Mitt going to spin his way back to the right after basically selling them out last night. For a year, he has been pandering to the Tea-baggers for votes only to tell them to "kiss his ass" with his flip to the center. Oh well, life is tough when you're an Etch-a-Sketch.....
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O&Joe 2012
Even when HE is unprepared Obama STILL has to blame someone else? Really? The excuse for Obama doing so badly last night was because the REAL Mitt Romney didn't show up? It couldn't be because Obama was not prepared? It couldn't be because he couldn't use a teleprompter? It couldn't be because it is his anniversary and was distracted? The reason is because the REAL Mitt Romney didn't show up?
I could at least have a SMALL level of respect for Obama if he simply said today to his supporters "I'm sorry - I thought I was prepared last night but found out I wasn't. I will work twice as hard to make sure I don't disappoint you again". At least if he did THAT he would show himself as humbled AND take responsibility.
But when this man has not taken responsibility for ANYTHING in his life, let alone any responsibilities for his failures over the last 4 years, why would anybody expect him to start now?
Missing Sanity said: Honest people who actually have a clue know Romney did nothing but lie last night. That will come out.
Come on Sanity, tell us where all the lies were... One condition: You have to back it up with a quote from FactCheck.org. They have to be certified lies, not your opinion.
I'm an Obama supporter 100%, but what I saw last night was embarrassing. Looking at the moderator and not the public (camera) was bad. Acting like you are taking notes, that didn't help you is bad. Letting Romney use faulty math. that just doesn't add up is bad. Letting Romney change his stands on several issues and flip-flop again without questioning why is really bad. Mr. President, you need to get some basic lessons in debate and forensic speaking before the next debate. You can do what we expect of you next time!
For Obama's sake I hope Ass-Kicking is covered under Obamacare.....
I thought of it more as Obama tying to drag his butt up and down the court showing how he could run and gun with Kobie and the Lakers.
He needed to slow the game down and play some ball control.
Make Kobie play his game, instead of playing Kobie's game.......
Obama talks about simple math, yet can't figure out that putting 23 million unemployed or underemployed back to work - PAYING TAXES - businesses making profits and expanding and _PAYING MORE TAXES ... creates revenue?
Gawd ... you guys are dense.
Enjoy your moment. Fact checkers will have you spewing anger shortly. That a man running for President can shift his positions so easily should concern everyone. That Romney shakes his etch-a-sketch so skillfully should make all of us wonder "Who is this guy?" Where does he stand on stimulating the economy? On creating jobs?
If you haven't noticed, the private sector is awash in investment capital, but are waiting for the middle class to spend more money. Romney has not addressed this issue.
As governor of Massachusetts, he ranked 43rd in job creation and last in growth of the median wage in his first 2.5 years there. He presided over the slowest jobs recovery in Massachusetts history all according to Sept 3, 2006 report from Mass. Budget and Policy Center, a nonpartisan policy analysis group. And they were not at full employment having lost 200,000 job in 2001.
Romney doesn't have a plan for America's future job growth. His Massachusetts plan didn't work either. Facts here are very inconvenient for Romney.
One Lie! From Fact Check, Stopping tax loopholes will account for about 1/10 of reducing the deficit by the $5,000,000,000,000 that Romney said he would cut and the loopholes were the only thing he sighted. Of course, he's going to give the military $2,000,000,000,000 that they haven't even asked for? I guess he is planning on starting another war like republicans have done three times and their names were bush! Why else give them so much? Watch out Iran and Syria the American Empire maybe coming after you!
One Lie! From Fact Check, Stopping tax loopholes will account for about 1/10 of reducing the deficit by the $5,000,000,000,000 that Romney said he would cut and the loopholes were the only thing he sighted. Of course, he's going to give the military $2,000,000,000,000 that they haven't even asked for? I guess he is planning on starting another war like republicans have done three times and their names were bush! Why else give them so much? Watch out Iran and Syria the American Empire maybe coming after you!
Ray in Jax,
"Romney needed to do well, and he did, only because he came in as a brand new candidate."
And because Romney would not shut the hell up even when his time had run out! I was a bit disappointed with Jim Lehrer, even though I normally admire him, because he lost control of the debate. He should have told Romney to shut up and sit down. Instead, he just let him yammer on.
The problem with debates is this, when republicans or democrats make promises or policy statements they are lying. They keep the lies simple so their devoted followers are not confused and can easily spread them with the conviction kindergartner as for the most part that is their intellectual capacity. Today we have candidate A who has been in power for 3.5 years and has for the most part not lived up to expectations, candidate B is promising blue skies and drastic improvement much like candidate A did in the last election. Candidate A says he needs more time as it proved to be harder than he thought and the other guys stopped him from being the whirling dervish he really is and moreover the lackluster defense of his policies was a fluke. Topping it all off the comments here, I now the status quo will survive. I would say there has been a lot of brainwashing but alas there is no brain to wash.
And this is why debates, tax returns, birth certificates and college transcripts don't mean a thing. Nothing that one side or the other says or produces will change who you vote for. Because you listen and see with blinders on.
So why did Obama have more speaking time? was that a GOP lie/conspiracy? You guys and your endless excuses.
Wow! Waiting for the middle class to spend more money?
Would that be the middle class that has lost 38% of its wealth since Obama has been in office .... the middle class that has seen its median income drop $4,000 since Obama has been in office .... the middle class that is suffering record long term unemployment ....
Wow .... how detached from reality can libs be?
Obama had more talk time than Romney......
Fact check it.
Caesar Auguste,
"So why did Obama have more speaking time? was that a GOP lie/conspiracy?"
Probably!
SeekingSanity said:
Laker Steve - Can't wait to see Biden get his ass handed to him next......... Don't hold your breath! Oh wait! DO!
Obama/Biden 2012I'm holding on to this one... It will be fun to throw it back into your face as Mighty Joe Dumb flames out!
Isn't that kinda like getting knocked out in a boxing match and then when you come to you try kicking the crap out of the nurse who's trying to bandage your head in the ER?
LOL. Seriously....I think everyone would be better off if you would have been born your avatar.
Last night was a loud mouthed liar going against a professor. The liar made points by grandstanding and then threw them all away by contradicting himself time and again. The speed freak speed of his talking was an attempt to cover up the lies.
Rmoney said he worked with Democrats in Massachusetts. Oh really? Why did some 770 of his vetoes get overridden????
Obama the professor was too polite to the school yard bully. That was his only mistake.
Laker Steve,
"LOL. Seriously....I think everyone would be better off if you would have been born your avatar."
Now, now. Mind you Code of Honor! I haven't attacked you. But I am happy to see you like my avatar. I drew it myself. It's a real work of art, no?
He huddled with his puppeteers and now he has all the right answers.
Obama 2012 - "Boy, next time I'll be ready for that guy, that's for sure"
"Isn't that kinda like getting knocked out in a boxing match and then when you come to you try kicking the crap out of the nurse who's trying to bandage your head in the ER?"
I think it's more like being 4th and 5 when you're 6 minutes into the 5th quarter of a losing football game.......you find that the other team went home 10 minutes ago and you still have to punt.
'Nuff said, President Obama was far too passive. But perhaps Romney has just awoken the 'sleeping giant' and will have nothing to complain about if he receives a merciless public thrashing in the last two debates. Just saying.
Holy cow, an honest comment, free of vitriol and name calling. Too bad the cynic in me believes it won't last.
JFK said, “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"
OBAMA said, “Ask not what you can do for your country – ask what your country can do for you”
The contrast clear. In fact, it is BLACK and WHITE!
No question about it, Obama is not a great debater. However; any of us who have been to a high school debate know that the winner isn't always correct - they just did a better job of getting their point across. The reality is that much of what M.T. Suit said was presented well, but factually wrong or is out of synch with what he's been giving as his official position on taxes, health care, and education. So, Obama is now going to play to his strength of digging into the (meager, but heretofore never mentioned) details that his opponent shared. We'll see how this plays out - hopefully we'll all be enlightened
Take away Obama’s teleprompter and his campaign of LIES and DISTORTION crumbles like a cracker!
JFK would roll over in his grave if he could see what Obama has done to the once proud Democratic party and to America!
STOP OBAMA NOW!!!
What bothered me about the debate was not that they seem too similar to define, but that the President spent a minute on his wife at the beginning.
Yes, we all know you have a wife. Yes, most believe she would have made a better president. Sorry, he lost me in the first minute when you consider the problems we face and the direction he went. It was almost a poor pity me moment, personalizing that he actually has a wife. Many of us do, and they can't find jobs either.
ClearVoice2,
"The contrast clear. In fact, it is BLACK and WHITE!"
Now that's a racist comment if I ever heard one, although you may think you are being subtle!
I cannot wait til the election. Obama will win and you @!$%#ing fools will be wondering how. What did Romney win exactly. It sounded like he is for a Medicare voucher plan to me. He also lied a quite a bit about his positions. Or maybe he just flopped back. He will still not pick up anyone that was not voting for him in the first place. This just in---- everyone in this country already knows who they will vote for.
What a turd! Just like a bully that picks the wrong fight, gets his ass kicked, and then starts mouthing off at a distance. And this guy is out president? Jeesh!
yeah hows that tinfoil then? get a discount with Reynolds for Bulk? So Mickey-1983943 I take it you didnt watch the debates? I watched on cnn so yeah they kept track. Oh well, you found bliss in ignorance, do enjoy.
Robiscoole, If Obama wins it will be because he dragged every poor and ethnic person to the polls to vote. Wait, that's how he won the first election!
So now Obama gets fired up...wow....but last night he could not face Romney. I guess it is hard when someone contradicts you. This must mean Obama knows his arguments are weak because they cannot stand up to challenge. Obama does better when no one is there to challenge him. Not Good.
I wish I believed all of the BS Obooboo throws out. Then I wouldn't be so scared @!$%#less of the guy.
Maybe if President Obama actually held press conferences over the last few years he might be able to take pointy questions. Heck, Lehrer didn't ask hard questions- he asked position questions. That makes sense too- take example the recent murder of our Libyan Ambassador. Romney came out saying that it was a diplorable act of terrorism against the US. President Obama said that Romney spoke out too soon, said it wasn't terrorism, then changed his story numerous times. Therefore he couldn't take a position eventhough there was ample evidence that terrorism was the cause (Libyan officials, State Dept. memos, the Ambassador's statements, the Seal's being there to get weapons back, etc.).
Node- Funny thing (if you watched the debat or the networks following), all they could talk about was how Romney did a good job at pointing out the facts, the fact checkers were more supportive of Romney than the President, and the only fault they could find regarding the presentation was that President Obama actually got 4 extra minutes of comment time during the debate.
Jessica,
That is funny Jessica. You mean like the way that the Demo had all of congress for two years plus the president but still did nothing for the American people. Oh yes that I a great leader he could not even pull the Demo to help him for the first two years even most of them said NO to him until he started buying them. How quickly we like to forget facts and make up fiction kind of like Obama last night right.
Obama better not take the poor and the minorities for granted. They can smell a cutter. They can smell a Newt Gingrich under the Obama skin.
Example: Obama wants to cut payments to doctors and hospitals in Medicare. Romney retorted that that would cause half the doctors to not take Medicare patients anymore. So, Obama is CUTTING seniors. Watch the fine print.
Yeah all those "ethnic" people..But then I'm ethnically a white anglo-saxon upper middle class male over 60 years old who voted for him. That's ethnic I guess.
What a country!
The President said we need to close a loophole that gives a tax break to businesses for moving a job overseas. That's a narrow way to look at it. ANY business is allowed a tax break for expenses related to moving a job, anywhere, no matter if it's in this country or another. The President was implying that businesses are getting this break BECAUSE they are shipping it overseas, and is simply false. Look it up. Mitt Romney said if there was a tax break to ship a job overseas then he needed a new accountant. I don't recall ever hearing Romney say he hasn't moved a job overseas. Do you not consider Obama sending money to Brazil so they can drill off their shores, sending jobs overseas? He's sending our tax money to another nation which will be used for jobs, their jobs. They both have done it, what's your point?
I really would love to know, how is it, when Obama changes his stance, he is "evolving", yet, if Mitt changes his stance ever so slightly, he is a flat our liar? Some of you folks really need to get your heads evaluated.
So reptards, teatards, teabaggers - You'all bask in the glory of yesterday's debate today as much as you can for this is NOT going to last. Come November 15 you are going to be sore losers and going to sulk for another four years.
until then enjoy your newfound Mitt of course only until he invents and reincarnates into something else. But howsoever he does that - remember Obama is gold and Mitt is plastic.
F mitt and F YOU.
Yea, Joe, Ny. He got 4 minutes of extra time to say absolutely nothing!
You know, all this talk today about Obama being unprepared because he has important things to do, such as being POTUS is hilarious.
I'm just thinking, what else could prepare you more for a debate than actually being president for nearly four years. It's what you do. It's your full time job to be informed on all of the topics which will come up in debates. Somehow, he's not. Seems he hasn't been paying attention to the country these past years. Maybe too many golf outings, too many family vacations, too many appearances on talk shows, being adored by the liberal media and darling fans.
So libs, got any more excuses as to why the sitting president isn't up to snuff on the issues of leading this country? I really wanna know.
Vote NoBama!
The President had Mittens by the short hairs and he let him off the hook.
Maybe the president, like the media, does not realize Romney is one of the 47% he has chastised for not paying federal income tax. Romney, himself said he has been unemployed since resigning as CEO of Bain Capital and putting his holdings in a blind trust in 1999. That means all, or most all of Romney's income since 1999 has been taxed at the lower rate capital gains, not income tax, Romney is unemployed and has paid no federal income tax in almost 13 years...........Don't that beat all ?
To see Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 2 (the "no mas" fight), I went to a harness track where they were broadcasting the closed circuit telecast for free, with a couple of touts from work. I
had never been to the "trotters" before, but I laid down my bet and we watched the horses and their drivers go around the track. My horse was in the lead, so when they came past us, I stood up and cheered my "victory".
Someone near me tapped me on the shoulder, saying softly "Sit down, they go around again"...
A month and two more debates to go.
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Fournier is saying to the electorate what that guy said to me back then...
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/5-reasons-why-it-s-too-early-to-write-off-obama-20121004
Wow, you conservatives/Republicans are a mean, angry bunch.
You have proven that you are only about winning, that you are not concerned with facts or feasability, that you have no compassion. Your candidate proved that himself last night.
Brianb1956 - I don't have time to play stupid games with you so I'll just post the BIG lie Mitt told over and over again that idiots somehow are ignoring (sorry - that would be you!)
From Fact Check:
ROMNEY: Let me repeat what I said, I'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. That's not my plan. My plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit.
What is Romney's plan?
He has proposed making the Bush tax cuts permanent for all income levels -- then cutting all rates by an additional 20 percent. He would also repeal the alternative minimum tax and permanently repeal the estate tax.
The non-partisan Tax Policy Center concluded that Romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over 10 years.
Brianb - might want to wipe that egg off your face!
Obama/Biden 2012
Here's a question for you:
Obama said:
“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.”.
-Barak Hussein Obama
“today I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we’ve long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay — and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.”
-Barak Hussein Obama
Which Obama are you voting for? The one who made these promises, or the one who did the exact opposite?
Mickey-1983943
ClearVoice2,
"The contrast clear. In fact, it is BLACK and WHITE!"
Now that's a racist comment if I ever heard one, although you may think you are being subtle!
No, it is not a racist comment. The phrase black and white is a common and an ages old way of indicating opposites. In the color spectrum black is the absence of color, and white is the combination of all colors equally and all at once. I hope I explained that correctly to satisfy the more scientific members of the crowd here.
Anyway, the point is, is that YOU are the racist for even trying to bring the race card into the discussion. It's all you think about, isn't it. You yearn for every chance to twist and distort someone else's words and attempt to portray them as racist. All for your party's political gain. It's old, worn out, and doesn't work here anymore. Give it up. Get better. Learn to identify true racism and go after that instead.
Apparently our President lives in a world of fantasy. He met the real Romney in the debate and not the Romney of his dreams. But where is the real fiscally conservative Obama of four years ago? Where is the Obama who said:
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.
Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead,interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.
Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
~ Senator B. H. Obama, March 2006
Liberals always do bad in debates. They play more to emotion than to facts. Debates are about facts. Liberals always loose when it comes to facts and concrete ideas. If you want a president that makes you feel better then vote for Obama. If you want a president that has succeeded in business and thinks you and America can also then vote for Romney.
Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing it's idiot. And he is our POTUS.
to me, the President won the debate, regardless of what you say,
bscol - no I believe the villiage idiot is you - and you just proved it!
Obama/Biden 2012
Pigotry
then you can argue with MSNBC, CNN, ABC and everyother outlet. they seem to think Obama didnt fair to well. Im glad the talking point finally came out today that Lerher lost control and Mitt bullied.
Still further proof that Obama doesnt know what he is doing and is weak with leadership. so thanks for acknowledging what a lot of us already know
And that really disoriented you, eh Barack? You and your cronies have been maliciously demonizing this very decent man, and when you came face-to-face with him you were surprised to realize that your slander hadn't affected him one bit and then you couldn't even look at him in the eye. Barack, you realized that Mitt Romney is a tremendously much better man than you, that's what disoriented you.
Last night but fired up today ... this is the perfect metaphor for the last 4 years we got 23 million people out of work ... we have another 360,000 people losing their job every week ... we have 280,000 new workers entering the work force every month yet Obama Economic plan is to create only 100,000 per month when 450,000 jobs per month is needed just to not fall any further behind and then saying I'll really fix the Economy next 4 years.
I am very sorry but removing 8 million people from the unemployment count because you say they're not looking hard enough for work just doesn't cut it. We are really at 11.5% unemployment. Talk about a 47% comment. Dick Morris who worked for President Clinton for almost 20 years says Obama is an absolute failure and resisted all efforts to turn him to the center like President Clinton. Obama continues to press his Marxist Progressive Liberal Communist Economic Theories which aren't even supported by a majority in the Democratic Party. In fact Morris says Democrats says it's like watching someone commit suicide with a bomb but you're sitting right next to him.
It looks like Obama showed what I have known for a while, he is not a great leader. This election should have been a slam dunk for for anyone going against him. Yet it is not. Why? What have the Republicans offered. Nothing but the same as they have for many years. Cut taxes, deregulate, cut Govt etc etc. We have been cutting taxes and deregulating since the 80's when Reagan was president. If those things worked why are we in the spot we are in now? First cut the its Obama's fault crap. The economy crashed before he took office. All those tax cuts from the past are still in place, where are all the jobs, the trickle down? Bank CEO's collected bonuses and the average worker collected pink slips. How can that be defended. "Trickle down" is an excellent theory in a perfect world, but this is not a perfect world. Greed is the problem and I dont see Republicans coming out with any answers to fix it but just keep cutting and dumping needed revenue down the rabbit hole.
Obama won in my eyes...
He spoke more words.
He spoke truth.
He kept his cool.
He didn't interrupt.
He was respectful.
He acted Presidential.
He kept on topic.
He was original.
What kind of debate gives the Lying, obnoxious, rude, disrespectful, loud mouth phonie wanna be the win?
SeekingSanity
good comeback Seeking. So tell me why Romney was lousy last night and Obama was stellar? or are you just gutter sniping per usual?
Uh, David uh Axelrod uh must have uh been uh Obama's uh speech coach. After watching Morning Joe today, David Axelrod could not answer any question on why Obama sucked so bad last night. After counting how many times Axelrod said uh in a 10 minute interview, I was assured he coached Obama last night. So how many uh's in a 10 minute interview. 98!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not Your ATM,
"No, it is not a racist comment."
I would just like to know why you feel compelled to defend a comment that was made by ClearVoice2. Could it be a guilty conscience that drives you to it?
Jessica,
Real leaders find ways to get things done. If it were me, I would have meetings with the leaders in the House and Senate every week and if they refused to cooperate I would start having the meetings televised. Want to watch a Senator or Representative change their tune real fast? Make them justify their worth to the American people in real time.
every intelligent being in the world that watched the debate last night knows that Romney won. not even in bizzaro world could anyone think that Obama was the winner.
bscol - unfortunately, it appears that there are an awful lot of people who are permanent residents of that world......
Norquist told party activists back in February, the true direction of the GOP is being mapped out by congressional hardliners. All the Republicans need to realize their vision, he said, is a president "with enough working digits to handle a pen."
Romney has now adopted every letter of the Ryan agenda. Take it from Ed Gillespie, senior adviser to the campaign: "If the Ryan budget had come to his desk as president," Gillespie said of Romney, "he would have signed it, of course."
"Ryan takes out the ax and goes after programs for the poor – which is the last thing you ought to cut," says David Stockman, who served as Ronald Reagan's
budget director. "It's ideology run amok."
Republicans in Congress have repeatedly put ideology before creating jobs. For more than a year, they've refused to put President Obama's jobs bill up for a vote, even though projections show it would create nearly 2 million jobs without adding a penny to the deficit.
In addition, the Republicans' signature initiative last year – the debt-ceiling
standoff – was a jobs-killer, applying the brakes to the economic recovery.
From February through April 2011, the economy had been adding 200,000 jobs a month. But during the uncertainty created by the congressional impasse, job
creation was cut in half for every month the standoff‑continued. And according
to the Economic Policy Institute, the immediate spending cuts required by the
debt-ceiling compromise are likely to shrink the economy by $43 billion this
year, killing nearly 323,000 jobs.
What Ryan markets as his "Path toProsperity" would make things even worse: The draconian cuts in his latestbudget, according to the EPI, would put an additional drag on the economy, destroying another 4.1 million jobs by 2014.
Last year, the House passed a bill that would broadly
prohibit women from purchasing insurance plans that cover abortion. The
so-called Protect Life Act would also allow hospitals to refuse a dying woman
an abortion that would save her life. Ryan himself co-sponsored legislation
that would have made it impossible for impoverished victims of rape and incest
to receive abortions unless their assault met a narrow definition of
"forcible rape." Under the bill's language, for instance, federal
abortion coverage would be denied to a 12-year-old girl impregnated by a
40-year-old man, unless she could prove she fought back.
B.O. 12, right on, the media is so left wing its calling this a win for Romney. Oh wait a minute I haven't heard anything from the right about media fairness. Its a right wing plot to make Romney look like a regular guy. Did anybody notice his tan last night? Hold your nose and vote for Romney, I am going to hold my head up high and do the right thing. Give Obama 4 more years with a congress that will work with him.
bscol,
"every intelligent being in the world that watched the debate last night knows that Romney won. not even in bizzaro world could anyone think that Obama was the winner."
Yes, but there is a big difference between winning a debate and winning an election, and Romney has not won the election yet. We won't know who won for over a month still.
Romney is like a Snake Oil Salesman, a Pathological Liar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sounds like you want a One party system. Well give me a president that will work with a divided congress for the betterment of the nation.
President Obama was so respectful that he rarely looked at Romney, he looked down a lot, he interupted lerher too (hey he had 5 seconds member).
He wanted to change topic
He did not speak the truth
He was not original (please tell me how he did)
He didnt defend his policies.
He did speak more words but that amounts to what?
Excellent BO 2012 and John in BC glad you think he was outstanding, unfortunately for you, the majority to the left and right and center don't agree
What we just witnessed was 1 debate. You ever had a debate class? They teach delivery. They teach you how to gather facts. Then they teach you how to manipulate the facts towards your own preconceived end. And they teach you how to "disarm" your opponent.
What we saw last night was one lyin' ass debater against one tired President. But if you pick your winner on this one night, and you go for the "debate winner", you are the fool.
Don't get me wrong, debates are a blast. They are interesting... this one especially. And Romney won! But debates are NOT about the truth or what's right or anything close to these two values. Debates are about presentation and manipulation and surprise.
So I give the "lyin'-my-ass-off-while-looking-like-I'm-not" award to Romney.... I'll give him that.
Yep, he sure shocked President Obama...and the American People. In fact, I'm not sure he didn't set a record: 27 lies in 38 minutes. No that's something the Republican Party can be proud of.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/
By the way, did anyone else notice the Ronald Reagan impersonation?
Mickey-1983943
Not Your ATM,
"No, it is not a racist comment."
I would just like to know why you feel compelled to defend a comment that was made by ClearVoice2. Could it be a guilty conscience that drives you to it?
I felt compelled to defend the comment made by ClearVoice2 because, and only because, you made an idiotic attack on his or her words. You showed yourself for what you are, a liberal looking for racism in all the wrong places. As usual. Too bad for you that you can't look in the mirror and see yourself for what you are. And you are a racist troll. Anything else you would like to ask?
I'm sorry, I guess Romney is just planning to FIRE BIG BIRD.
But no tax cuts for the wealthy, right ????
I guess I'm old fashion in that to me, lying with conviction is not a win. But then, I'm not a Republican.
Al Gore has the best excuse yet for Obama. He was suffering from altitude sickness.
Anyone notice how sharp Obama was today in Denver? That's because he had his beloved teleprompters back.
You know what's weird. The people defending Obama refuse to consider the idea that Mitt is telling the truth and he (Obama) is not. I'm not telling people to change their minds, but at least try and think about the fact that maybe Romney might be right. Just something to think about anyways.
Let me tell you: if you thought that voting God out of the Democrat Party was wicked, wait till you hear this.
The Tea Party reported to you a few weeks ago that on March 16, 2012 Obama (America’s Fraud President) wrote and signed Executive Order 13603 naming it: “National Defense Resources Preparedness,” and while a few conservative media outlets wrote a handful of stories about this outrageous Executive Order, the interest died out.
The pieces of the Obama puzzle are falling into place and his sinister plan is emerging clearer than ever: Use of weapons of mass destruction on Americans!
Through Executive Order 13603 Obama gave himself the power to control all vital aspects of our beloved nation.
The more the Tea Party Research team digs, the more we discover about the execution of Obama’s America-killing plan as it unfolds—and it is HORRIBLE. Beyond the worst you can imagine.
Take a look at some of the sinister and menacing forces that will be put into motion. They are weapons of mass destruction!
Seizing of all forms of civil transportation
Do you realize what this means? Obama specially wrote “civil” NOT “public” transportation. In the name of a national emergency (which Obama has yet to define which, in turn, means he can define it any way he wants) he can grab ALL forms of transportation civilians use, including:
A secret plan went into action right under our noses a few months ago—the very plan the Blame Stream Media deliberately hid from the American people.
Obama forgot to tell you that he can grab ALL FORMS OF CIVIL TRANSPORTATION, didn’t he? How convenient to keep the good citizens of America in the dark.
But it doesn’t stop there.
While other groups are asleep at the wheel and playing politics your Tea Party has been at work exposing the rat in the White House.
Obama doesn’t stop at just grabbing transportation but will grab the food out of your mouth. He will also grab”
All commodities and products capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals. In other words all food products, growing, picked and in store, including:
The lame stream media not only turned a blind eye to Obama’s evil deeds but has refused to comment on the Obama grab when presented with the facts! The Main Blame media is NOT your friend.
Ready for more?
Health resources, which include, but are not limited to: drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment. This includes:
And the savage takeover of America doesn’t end there. Obama gives the power to government to take over…
All forms of energy:
All usable water from all sources:
Yep, COMPLETE GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF IT ALL!!!! If this does not frighten you out of your wits, I don’t know what will.
The Tea Party Research Team is discovering more everyday about “America’s Fraud President.”
Sound impossible? If you don’t believe what we are saying then look up Executive Order 13603 yourself. I assure you this one thing: you will beshocked and frightened beyond anything you have ever known.
I can also tell you this: the Tea Party has been examining the Obama records from day one. Why? Because it has been proven time after time Obama is a liar and cheat. This is why he has earned the name “America’s Fraud President.”
He has lied to the American people about his college transcripts, his law license, his birth certificate and his master piece ObamaCare and ObamaTax.
If you have not seen it yet I strongly urge you to go see the documentary, 2016. You will be shocked and appalled at what you learn. You will be shocked at how Obama’s ideologies were formed and by what his true plan is for subverting our country.
I guarantee you that by the end of the film, the entire puzzle will come together and you will see why we have been screaming FRAUD all along.
The big picture will come completely into focus.
And, you will see that the Tea Party is gravely alarmed with very good reason—and understand why you should be, too.
Executive Order 13603 is another piece to the puzzle that brings together Obama’s evil master plan.
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It is good Obama is getting his Campaign Energized again.
He got slapped around by Romney. "O" should have kept his head up, and made direct eye contact---He has to take the next Debate (Town Meeting) seriously. No one knows until the end who will win, but it sure was one of the most interesting Debates in Decades.
What happened?
It is hard to debate a person who suddenly agrees with you on majority of the points and hails what you have already accomplished. Take wrestling for example. If your opponent raises his hand or pounds the floor to let you know he has had it, you stopped. What is there to do? Last night what Mr. Romney did was agree with Mr. Obama for most of the parts. In doing so he was running on Democratic agenda. But the damage was already done. His true believe is that 47% did not matter. 42% were cows to milk. He is in 1% who milks the cow.
In 1998 a group of Americans traveling in South America had an incident in which the bus they were traveling in almost went over the cliff. Ingenues as they were, some left the bus to tie it to the nearest trees and at the same time pull it from the near cliff where it was stuck. The few that were in the bus provided the traction needed near the back of the bus.
That sort of physics (true representation of economics) reminds of the economics situation in 2008~2012. The people who were out of the bus unemployed, the people in the bus the employed, the bus conductor the president. Before everyone was on the bus (employed) things just did not look right but the tragedy of going over the cliff (economic disaster) was avoided.
As semi liberal I think I am, yet I buy mostly US made tools and machinery. If none available, I buy British or German. Not because I dislike China, but there is a limit how much business I wish to give them at the expense of US and European manufacturers. Are you that selective to help fellow American Businesses? If not, do not complain about Jobs.
I find it ironic that Obama and the Democrats are talking about the 'other' Romney that showed up in the debate yesterday.
Obama's entire strategy from day 1 was to change voters' perception of Romney on a personal level. The Democrats continually and aggressively attacked Romney, trying to paint the perception of Romney being un-relatable, old, white and rich, who doesn't care about anyone but other Wall St. types. They went after his financial status, his family...anything to make Romney look like that evil rich Republican.
The funny thing is, no one, on a national level, knew much about the real Romney. When he shows up for the debate where, for perhaps the first time the majority of Americans get to see him unfiltered and unedited by the media, Romney seems to be a decent, caring guy. In the space of 90 minutes, Romney completed shed the perception of himself that Obama and the Democrats have worked so tirelessly to create.
This fact is more threatening to Obama's campaign strategy than most realize. Let's be honest, most Americans are too uneducated to really understand tax policy. Likeability and relatability matter more than anything else.
This is why Obama is quick to talk about the '2 different Romneys'. As if he's trying to rescue the campaign strategy.
It's kind of pathetic in my opinion.
Let's make this about the
Mitt is going to cure the countries deficit by turning off pbs and extending the Bush tax cuts that put us here.
Seriously are you people that dense.
You've had 4 years and things are clearly a mess. We are sick of hearing you bash George Bush and Mitt Romney. You are the President of the United States, for crying out loud. Just tell us why we should give YOU four more years.
obama is a joke!
Did President Obama have a bad night? Yes. Is he a bad debater? Yes. Did Mitt Romney beat him last night? Without a doubt. Will this matter much? Probably not. All of you Obama haters can laugh it up now, because you will be the ones crying on election night. Even though he lost last night he will STILL win on November 6, and he will STILL go down in history as one of the BEST Presidents we the United States has ever had. We are lucky to have had this great man keep us from sliding into the Second Great Depression caused by W and the Repugs! OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!! HILLARY 2016!!!!
Hey what did Flip Flop Romney read off of during the RNC? A teleprompter!!!!! Yes HYPOCRITES who blast on the telepromter thing. Tax cheat Romney used one. LOL
Obama 2012
Romney 1040
It's obvious that President Obama was surprised last night, as was I. Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up. He has been a poet, from the beginning, telling everybody what they want to hear, except what the hell his plan is. I still think he's fudging it, and getting the best BS style advice. He's winging it, and learning as fast as he can, as he goes. So there, again makes me wonder why he wants this job. Status? Ego? He's just not really in tune.
I see First Read is following their marching orders from the Obama campaign.
Read the First Read story above and then click on the link above to see what Axlerod told to reporters today and you will see PROOF that First Read is part of the Obama campaign!
Bob
You obviously don't get it. It's a Catch 22. Your right in that middle class cannot increase spending until they earn more money. The rich won't invest until sales are up and they need to expand their operations.
It's a stalemate. Romney does not ever address how the middle class can earn more money to stimulate sales. And the rich won't invest until their sales go up.
Stalemate breaker, Catch 22 ender is our government's use of stimulus spending.
Eventually, you will catch on to the principles of Keynesian economics. If only Mitt could too.
What a coward. Why didn't he say this last night. Obama put his head down and looked like he was on Xanax or something goofy. I almost think someone was talking in his ear because he would look down then smile then nod his head horizontally then vertically, then a little laugh, WHAT THE H? He looked physically bad. Now this morning he is all guns, sorry, debate passed while you were in another planet.
Hey teapublicans --- don't get too excited. Romney has made one misstep after another, day after day, for the last 3 months. So last night he finally got a hit. Even the pitcher gets a few hits over 162 games. But that doesn't make him the batting champion.
The reality is if President Obama wins Colorado (and he's leading now) he has the election won. Romney on the other hand has to just run the table in every swing state to win. That could happen but don't bet much on it.
An energized Obama? Oh, you mean that after he got punked last night he's starting to take this guy seriously? Man, he got a good ole' fashion ass whoopin' last night. Unprepared and looked like a deer in headlights, bumbling through his BS, it was comical to watch him embarrass himself.
Just goes to show you without a tele-prompter Obama ain't worth the toilet paper that was stuck to the bottom of his shoe last night!
TO: jerry l-1335133 who wrote:
Republicans didn't have a "budget" let alone a "balanced budget" at no time during the entire 8 years Republicans had the White House, and for some 4 concurrent years also held the House, and NO Republican gave a hoot while Republicans rubberstamped one foolish spending bill after another, AND another!
AND Mitt Robme isn't planning on balancing it either!!! Oh right, he promised he'd do so on the last day, of his second term. What B.S.!
In fact, the last time we had a balanced budget was when Democrat Bill Clinton balanced.
I consider all this "balanced budget" B.S. to nothing more than false outrage.
Republicans to this very day support Republicans' collapse of the entire United States Economy and do but call for more of the same things that brought us down in the first place, still convince that if the do the same things, the same way, they'll come up with a different result.
That's no doubt why millionaires and billionaires are asking for THEIR tax cuts FIRST, cause they know Republican idiots are ruff and ready to screw everything up again!
Obama/Biden 2012
Well of course Getmad...he's the antichrist and we're his army...and we're coming for you...
First we'll take your guns and bibles. Then well force your daughters to take birth control pills. Finally we'll drag you straight to hell with meat hooks and force you to smoke a turd...
Take your damn meds!
I see First Read is following their marching orders from the Obama campaign.
Axelrod (asking reporters to go after Romney) -'All of you who travel on the road with Governor Romney know that he just few weeks ago stood up and said we didn't need any more teachers,' he said. 'Last night he couldn't be more enthusiastic about teachers and more teachers.'
First Read - Last night, Romney said his plans to trim the deficit wouldn’t mean teacher cuts: “I reject the idea that I don’t believe in great teachers or more teachers. Every school district, every state should make that decision on their own.”
Romney had the final word on the matter last night, but today Obama told his supporters: “The real Mitt Romney said we don’t need anymore teachers in our classrooms ... But the fellow on stage last night, he loves teachers, can’t get enough of them.”
Axelrod (speaking with reporters) - speaking on a campaign conference call, made an appeal to reporters to make the points that Obama himself had failed to make in the debate
First Read - Last night, Obama also missed an opportunity to highlight his opponent’s personal tax records after Gov. Romney said, “I’ve been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I maybe need to get a new accountant ... but the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case."
Today, Mr. Obama fired off this retort: “We know for sure it was not the real Mitt Romney because he seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant.”
FIRST READ YOU HAVE BEEN BUSTED!!!!!!!! Nothing but an arm of the Obama Chicago Machine!!!
All the righies are gloating because Romney has pulled his campaign out of the toilet.
He accomplished that by lying...aren't you proud? Romney's campaign stinks worse than ever.
Just an observation: I don't recall ever hearing any Romney supporters at a rally shouting "We love you!"
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Energized Obama? Of course, he's got his teleprompter and no one to contradict him. Now the media and the Obamabots are doing doubletime doublespeak to attempt to spin and twist the butt kicking he got last night. If it wasn't for the media propping him up and blind devotion, the man would fade away into nothing.
Not Your ATM,
"You showed yourself for what you are, a liberal looking for racism in all the wrong places."
And you showed yourself for what you are: a right-winger defending a fellow right-winger who is probably a racist. And you also showed that you are incapable of recognizing innuendo when you see it.
It doesn't matter who won the debate last night. What I saw was someone lying to the camera to get himself elected. Romo was rude to both the president and the moderator on several occasions. His math is fuzzy at best and thats being kind...but go ahead and vote against your own interests and elect him...then see where Americas at in four years...if your still alive.
GetMadStayMad - what a blithering idiot you are. You really need to check SNOPES before you typea single word.
Bet you see little green men,too, right????
Obama/Biden 2012
Did Fiesty call in sick?
Actually he was back on slick Willie's lap.
Can anyone say "mercy killing"?
Last night Obama acted a trifle....high. Stoned even.
Thats fine, I can agree with that. Problem is if Obama won, you'd claim O was sincere and truthful. You'd be cheating yourself though.
good for you, but I do love how lefties or what have you try to paint the GOP or anybody not on the Obama hearse as unfeeling, uncaring, lying brutes. Yes because the DNC has a lock on caring and tolerance. Just look at all they done for the povetry stricken, gays, blacks, latinos and every other 'group' over the past decades.
Tonight when the debate comes on turn the TV off and spend time with your friends or family. As these two actors "debate" each other I will be contemplating which independent I will be voting for. I will no longer vote for a candidate that supports war when our country is crumbling from the inside.
Romney:
- Middle class average income is $250K.
- Students, that can't afford college tuition, should borrow money from their parents (because their parent's earn $250K a year).
- Repeal Obamacare and replace it with the Emergency Room.
- Reduce taxes by 20% while eliminating deductions and exemptions--personal and dependent exemptions, state and local tax credit, mortgage interest credit, educational expense credit, medical expense credit, child care credit, earned income credit. After all of this you'd wish that he simply raised taxes and left the credits alone--less painful.
- 47% of Americans are leeches of society that can't take responsibility for their lives.
- If you're 59 or younger, you get a voucher for Medicare and good luck with the market and inflation.
- The 47% that live off the government will be given jobs--all you 75 and older men and women who don't pay income tax will have to get a job! You disabled people, whether or not you have limbs, will have to get jobs! All you active duty military in combat zones, that don't pay income tax, will have to get jobs!
- If you have capital gains, dividend or large estate income, your tax will go to zero. And you must create jobs, just like you have in the past 12 years.
- All you companies stocking up on toxic chemicals, you will be free to dispose of that nasty stuff as you see fit -- The useless EPA will be eliminated.
- All you companies currently restricted from emitting CO2, will be free from any such restriction -- you will be expected to create more jobs
- All food and Drug companies will be free to manufacture and dispense anything they produce. The FDA will be eliminated.
- We will keep only qualified teachers and they will be able to teach classes of 100 students or more.
- Will eliminate the dept. of education and thereby improve our young people's education levels -- Home schooling forever!!
- We will eliminate unnecessary police, fire and other government workers. If you get robbed, your house catches on fire, or expect any government service--tough it out!!
I am Romney and I am for the Middle Class -- Vote for me and believe in my motto:
“ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT HOW YOUR COUNTRY CAN STICK IT TO YOU!”
Sorry, confused3012211, but it's actually more like this from Obama: "Ask not what you can do for your country, but how much free stuff we can get you taking the fruit of the middle class hard work away from them while saddling your children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren with debt slavery to the Chinese."
No amount of late lame jokes about Big Bird are going to make that any more funny.
It's absolutely hillarious watching Obama whining about Romney not being authentic or being real. This coming from the man who never tells the truth about who he really is, what he really believes, and what he is trying to do to this country. ROTFLMAO!!!
You guys should be angry at the liberal media for putting this crap into your heads. He never called them leeches, moochers, or any other fabricated name they want you to regergitate. He said that they would not vote for him. Why? Because it serves their purpose to raise taxes on others when you dont have any skin in the game...there is nothing to lose on their part. They only have something to gain by benefiting from government programs funded by those that do pay federal income tax.
Node4
No question about it, Obama is not a great debater.
Wouldn't have known that because Obama beat McCain in their debates. Wouldn't have known that by the way Obama supporters on the Vine promoted him as a lock on winning.
Early on when the subject came up, I warned these supporters what Romney would do. You cannot win on people of truth with half truths. Did you not notice that for months Romney was not vehemently denying the Obama 5 Trillion in tax cuts? He waited until Prime time to cram it back in his face. I heard Obama was out again saying the same thing. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.
No, Kornfed. Just an emergency visit to the doctor to have the meds upped.
Last night you saw the real Obama. Let's face it, when Obama doesn't have is crowds to draw from, or his talking points to read from he's lost and confused. Come on, rebutting debate comments the day after? And with the same old tired b.s. propaganda that didn't even work the night before? Really? That's the best you can do?
I wonder what excuses MSLSD will dream up for his next beat down?
Jeff-1592116
I don't know if I'd announce to the world that I was still going to vote for the loser, but hey for now and if we get rid of Obama it is still a free country. Obama did not have opportunity to go after Romney for two reasons:
1. Obama has done no good but only harm to our country.
2. Romney was telling the truth and called Obama on every lie he told.
Tough to win a debate with someone who tells it like it is and won't let you lie. Of couse Obama was fired up this morning. He was preaching to his choir of lemmings ready and willing to follow him off the cliff. Last night his smirk said "hey we'll stack the votes and use Chicago tactics to steal this election anyway" Well not so fast buddy, every American who wants to save his or her country will be out to vote so the legal votes out number the illegal fraud votes even though you have disenfranchised the very military that fights and dies to keep this country free. Maybe that is why you are screwing them over so bad.
Everybody knows that the hero gets knocked around in the first round but (Rocky Balboa) comes back and wins the match in the end!
confused-3012211
You certainly are confused, the famous John Kennedy line was, "Ask NOT what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." But then as an Obama supporter I guess you would say the reverse. Like that gal on youtube who is going to vote for Obama cause she don't have to pay her mortage and he gave her free phones. Some class to be proud to be part of.
I love Romney's measure, "If it isn't worth borrowing money from the Chinese to do, we won't do it!" How simply common sense. I should remember that not all will appreciate it since as one of my professors once told me "it should be called uncommon sense, since most people don't have it." When it comes to Obama supporters he was definitely correct!
You love that etch-a-sketch statement? Where are the Republicans going to get the money for war (possibly with Iran even) and the extended military budget? I guess that is worthy of borrowing from China but the American people are not. Oh that's right, Grandma will get Medicare vouchers..
Romney is not for the middle class and if a couple sound bites in a debate make you think otherwise you are delusional.
Poisoning the well.
Exposed for being inadequate is a difficult experience.
I'll keep this short and employ the President's strategy. When you are debating a fool spouting one outrageous lie after another, give him the stage so everybody recognizes the fool. Thanks to many of you for accommodating that same strategy on this forum.
It was the Altitude. LOL nice one Al-Gore. Thanks for helping the dems look stupid. LOL
Looking through the above comments, I'm relieved to see that other Americans besides me are concerned about what has gone wrong with Obama's lucidity. Someone above said that Obama didn't look healthy. Somebody else said that Obama looked weird, as if he was on psychiatric medication. I've been deeply concerned about the mental health of the current President of the United States, particularly after the bizarre denial by the Obama administration that the tragic and violent assassination of the American ambassador in Libya was anything other than a reaction to one of the several ridiculous videos on Youtube which are anti-Islam, and the flippant attitude he expressed when he appeared on The View and called himself "eye candy", while refusing to address urgent concerns about the attainment of nuclear destructive capability by a rogue government in Iran. I think that the American public is entitled to current information about the mental health of the President of the United States.
John Doe-2241225
I just saw that and I thought it was a spoof or something. That ranks right up there with some of the Chris Mathew classics!
Reading all of the moronic obama fellatio junkies makes me sad. This is the most divisive president in history. Short of specifics? How about a whole campaign run around "Hope". Give me a fnn break. There are two philosophies in play, Romney's, "I'll bring you up" and The Messiah's "I'll bring them down to your level". I take the former.
So Robme is going to cut $5 Trillion in taxes and balance the budget by firing Big Bird? PBS accounts for 0.012% of the national budget. As always republions are no good at math.
People were surprised by the sheer number of lies spouted by Ayn Ryan at their convention, but it appears Robme did his level best to set a new record for lies. He told 27 lies in 38 minutes. One of them was that he worked with Democrats when he was governor of Massachusetts. The only problem with that lie is that 770 of his vetoes were overridden........Some leader.
Then he lied again about not knowing about the tax cuts corporations get for exporting American jobs. Bain was a pioneer in exporting American jobs. And it is true that the Democrats tried to repeal that law twice and were blocked by the republicons twice.
Vote for America! O and Joe 2012.
Well well well, what do you know.....no sign of that Fiesty Redhead or Bev in Chicago here today. Hahahaha
Obama just never quits lying, does he? Incredible.
Check out this doctor's summary of Obamacare in one sentence. Hilarious, but sadly it's true. It's gone viral with over two million hits so far. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw
Al Gore says that Obama was the victim of the high altitude, and he was the Democrat nominee for president which is pretty scary. Pundits are saying that Obama was caught off guard, that he never expected such a strong offense. Very telling when Obama isn't prepared to defend his actions over the past four years simply because for the first time he is ask too. Funny how we have nothing but excuses and blame for Obama failing, again. Romney on the other hand apologized for his 47% comment, he says it was wrong, and you can bet he will expound on that apology. Sort of refreshing to see a politician who is willing to admit to his mistakes, instead of always making excuses or blaming someone else.
The best line I've heard was from a commentator last night who said this: "The liberal media pundits are having meltdowns over this debate. We've had more meltdowns than a birthday party at Chuck-E-Cheese."
All of these people who are criticizing Romney for being unreasonable with regards to his plans to solve America's problems so easily...where were you 4 years ago, when Obama promised everything in order to get elected (and ultimately delivered nothing)?
Romney's taking a page out of Obama's playbook. Funny how quickly perception changes..
Fact is, both the Republican and Democrat parties are too extreme in their views right now to solve anything.
Pretty sloppy rebound work.
Well, everyone I talked with this morning sent a donation to President Obama last night. Their message - bad night but we have your back Mr. President. Everyone is fired up and absolutely support this man 100%.
Romney and Scott Brown. Two despicable men. Despicable. Let's beat 'em.
Romney hasn't held a job in about 5 years. He has nothing else to do but prep. The president has the world on his shoulders, plus it's campaign season. Romney has no important decisions to make, except what his next lie should be. He has all the time in the world to practice. All the time in the world. He doesn't work.
President Obama did fine. He won in polls last night on likeability and the economy and trust.
Please everybody - have his back during the last few weeks of the campaign.
Oh and one more thing, please Obama supporters, don't be so hard on Rachel and Ed and Chris. They have done a tremendous job pointing out the lies of Romney; they have done a tremendous job on voter suppression and on the 47% remark.
It was a bad night for the president. He was due for one. He has had a very difficult first term. But he's run a near perfect campaign.
Now let's go and get him re-elected! No one deserves it more.
And what do you suppose is the biggest news out of last night's debate?
Big Bird. Evidently he's about to be fired too. It's all over the internets.
haha
Excuses are awesome
I couldn't agree with you more Pat. I recently sent in my second $50 donation to the Obama campaign. I am 50 years old and this is the first time I have donated to any politician's campaign. I feel strongly that Obama is as right for the country and the times as Romney is dead wrong.
Just dumb Pat
Pat,
I agree when our embassy was attacked the President had a crisis what did he do? He left Washington and flew to Las Vegas for a fundraiser. I know all Presidents do fundraisers but he is double anybody else.
Joe, no excuses. The GOP have no business getting back the White House. Go and take a look at all the lies the Romney camp admits they told last night.
Oh. And go and see what John Sununu said about President Obama. This is the party Mitt belongs to.
There is no way President Obama will ever become as unhinged as today's GOP are. No way. He isn't about animosity. Mitt and the rest of the GOP is. It's the only card they have.
Romney last night - unlikeable. And it's going to stick. Deservedly so.
I agree I thought he did fine. He did not act like a child getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar like mittens did. He kept his cool, where as mittens was rude, interrupting Jim and demanding his full 2 minutes and more. "I don't know what you are talking about!" and he kept on mentioning the same things over and over again, I felt like I had accidentally hit the rewind button on the TV. No matter what the question was, same answers. I too, once again, am donating to Obama's campaign. I want a man in charge of our country, not a trigger happy, confrontational, I'm always right kind of person. VOTE OBAMA!
jerry, President Obama didn't attend a fundraiser.
What has Romney been doing all these years?
Nothing. Except prepping for the presidency. LoL.
Romney hasn't had a job in 5 years? Which has allowed him to prep?? What a bunch of garbage. Obama has been president for 4 years and is still clueless. Plus, Obama hasn't produced anything positive his entire life. Whereas Romney has created 1000's of jobs and turned around dozens of private sector companies, which by the way, provide jobs. Obama hasn't delivered on any promises, China has cut us off, thank goodness and our embassies are burning while Obama parties like a rock star. And you continue to support him. Amazing. I would say he's Jimmy Carter 2.0, but that's an insult to Mr. Carter.
Attacking Big Bird and PBS/Jim Lehrer (sp)......Willard got a real kick out of that...back to his "I like to fire people"!
Gee, Pat is a lib from Boston. Big shocker. And your avitar is BO and his wife, the elegant magazine cover first lady? We need to vote them out because I'm so sick of seeing her mug on every magazine cover. Hopefully the Hollywood elite couple will be packing their bags for Chicago after Nov 6th.
R/R 2012
Anyone see today's Gallup? hmm
Lloyd, well that's a good reason to vote for Romney. Magazine cover.
ABBO ------------Any body but Obama. It's time the president to quit his so called leadership of this country and let someone else handle the country's leadership. He demonstrated that with his poor performance last night. By the way, he's been practicing just as much as Romney, but without the teleprompter he's as inarticulate as a mime.
LOL. Romney isn't President. Yet.
Look at all the lies Barry has been telling for FOUR YEARS!
WITH EVIDENCE no less!
Big Bird............I have a message for you..........you're FIRED..............I do like to fire people and now fictional characters too............Wow this President stuff is fun..........Now let fire some useless teachers and regulators
Sorry Pat he left on September 12th
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 11, 2012
DAILY GUIDANCE AND PRESS SCHEDULE FOR
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2012
In the morning, the President will receive the Presidential Daily Briefing in the Oval Office. This meeting is closed press.
In the afternoon, the President will depart the White House en route Las Vegas, Nevada. The departure from the South Lawn and the arrival at McCarran International Airport are open press.
Obama's already got that covered, dude.
I was really struck by one line from Romney last night. He said, in rebuttal to the President; "He's right". Our heart is where we put our money". Romneys heart then, has to be in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland.
It is so refreshing to the libs on their backs today like a turtle just flailing about until someone knocks them upright again.
I'm not an Obama supporter at all but it was actually uncomfortable just watching Obama sink like he was in quicksand...
I bet there is shortage of tissues in the stores today as the libs need them to wipe their tears...
Pat Boston MA.
Pat- I guess you are considered on of those that no matter what happens you will still vote for Obama. I'm glad you have his back and he has your money.
I can not see why people are so blinded by another human. Romney is human too and who knows he might loose the next one.
I feel sorry for you. and that is all.
Pat, you are a true UnAmerican. You live in a state where then Gov Romney created a fantastic healthcare plan/model that was hijacked by the Dems, which incidently is all that 0bama has to show for in 4 years, and got the education level to #1 in the nation, and yet you bash the creator. Your lack of gratitude is sickening. Romney gave Barry and his Orangutan an excellent anniversary present last night!
All hail to the next President of the USA! Mitt Romney!! A great leader!
Romney/Ryan2012
Oh Pat you are funny. You do realize that this nation can not survive another 4 years of creeping socialism/marxism? You cry that Romney hasn't worked in 5 years. What private sector job has Nobama or his friends ever had? I trust a businessman over a community agitator to get the economy going. Take a look into Nobama when he was an agitator in Chicago and how he got a housing project shut down so his friends (such as Valerie Jarrett) could make millions of developing the property. Here I thought he helped the poor and downtrodden....no he helps his friends make money. One more idea.....Nobama bitched about how much oil companies got subsidized but he failed to mention how General Electric PAID NO TAXES AND ARE MOVING PARTS OF COMPANY TO CHINA. And to see the CEO of General Electric is an advisor to Nobama...go figure.
Its amazing.... the Big O could murder someone on stage and STILL you'd all make excuses for him.... He blew it last night because he had no answers thats it in a nutshell.
As president.... I would think that he should be the MOST prepped person in the country since most of the topics were on what the Big O is doing and saying....
Pat, Boston, well said.
President Obama did fine, not great. Romney was not great either, he was good. For the last week or more the media and the GOP has been hyping the debate, telling people that Mitt Romney MUST provide specific, details yet the Media and the GOP spinners oddly ignore that Romney did not do what they said he must--his answers lacks specificity, lacked detail and were denials of his own proposed plans. Mitt lied repeatedly yet he is the big winner because he was more animated.
unoitall, Ga from RI's posts are prime examples of sick, hateful thinking. Disgusting.
Hey mac Forrester I quote you----
"I was really struck by one line from Romney last night. He said, in rebuttal to the President; "He's right". Our heart is where we put our money". Romneys heart then, has to be in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland."
You should look into the money Bill and Hillary Clinton have in the Cayman Islands...and Pelosi in Switzerland...oh I forgot....its alright if your a PROGRESSACRAP!
jimmy in philly - I guess in your uneducated mind being an attorney isn't a job. Or being a constitutional law professor at a prestigious university isn't a job. Or being a state senator isn't a job.
Typical Republican!
Obama/Biden 2012
Wow. Have you guys seen the crowds today for President Obama? Wow.
Daman, we can't afford the GOP any longer. They just want tax cuts for the rich and we the people will have to pay for them. That's not cool.
I am a democrat. I vote democrat because I feel the GOP is screwing us all and have been for 30 years.
I am confident that President Obama is by far a better choice than Romney. Romney changes his stances every single GD day.
President Obama will not lose my support or my vote. I'm neither wishy washy or undecided. He's my choice, through good times and tough times.
I'm not one to throw our president under the bus, particularly when our future is at stake. That's what republicans do. They neither support nor respect anyone. And because of that, they will never ever receive my vote.
That's not socialism. That's just human decency.
So now we're back to calling me "Unamerican"? LoL.
You go ahead and support Romney. Vote for him. You deserve each other.
its not. sorry. Hey seeking nice of you to join the fray. How did the DDI meeting go? you guys come up with a stategy to avert from the realities of life? You left Feisty hanging. Dont make Feisty pointman, just uncool. Do you think Biden will ask any parapalegics to stand up? Well Biden has three letters for ya, J O B S.
jerry l, you do realize yesterday was Oct 3 not September 12?
Obama looked like he was a puppy that just got caught wetting the carpet and Romney was scolding him. This is the difference between Socialist ideology and the "real world". Romney understands business and what it takes to grow an economy. Obama couldn't run a lemonade stand.
The great Milton Friedman said it best when he said "If you put the government in control of the Sahara Desert within 5 years there would be a shortage of sand". Big government doesn't work. Never has and never will.
Only the PRIVATE sector can grow the economy - and Romney understands the private sector. Obama has NEVER had a job in the private sector - and after four failed years it shows...........
You should have taken your money, walked into your bathroom and flushed it down the toilet.
Fact checkers are having a field day with Romney. Will the real Romney please stand up?
You can win debates by changing your position when your opponent attacks what he thinks your position is. However, the following days are important too, as the fact checkers do their job, as people review Romney's shifting positions.
I believe people want someone whose judgment they can trust. Romney's shifting positions may win debates, but they do not inspire confidence in his ability to lead. Upon reflection and review, I think the assessment of Romney's debate performance will be downgraded quite a bit (kinda like those mortgage securities).
Pat, What we saw last night was a desperate man out to show the world how big a bully he can be. I suppose that's why they call it the "bully pulpit". Mitt gave us nothing, last night, but more lies.
As long as the GOP refuses to do anything the middle class will suffer.
We need to vote every GOP incumbent out of office this November!
SeekingSanity
SS - you are right these are all jobs that he did not do well in. His second year as a professor he lost half of his students. As an attorney he deffended crooked landlords as a senator well he was always late and voted present most of the time, and as a president, well we know.
Clint was right when he did the empty chair and teleprompter but I think as of last night we should change that to an empty podium and a missing teleprompter.
How can you still Idolize this guy so much. I don't like Romney remarks about Big Bird and I hear he tied him to the roof of his car. But them I heard that Obama ate Big Bird last night.
These are mere men and they both have flaws.
Lie number 1 by the serial liar. "I will work with Democrats."
In Massachusetts he did not work with Democrats. In over 800 vetoes over 700 were overruled by the Democrats.
Based on an independently-obtained list of veto override votes, that out of more than 800 budget line-item vetoes during Romney’s four years as governor, 707 were overridden. A separate Factcheck.org post put the exact number of Romney’s vetoes at 844 – and noted that “more than 700” were overridden.
Maybe the President was smart last night by letting romney ramble on so much. The President now has some sound bites that he can use against romney has changed his position on so many things. Check out "romney told 27 Myths in Thirty Eight minutes"...
Pat Boston,
Obama has had a job the past 4 years. He has nothing else to do but golf and fund raise. Oh, and take fabulous trips with Michelle and the kids.
What a shocker. Someone from Boston throwing good money after bad. LOL!
Jody,
I said that when our embassy was attacked on Sept. 11 the President left for a fundraiser and Pat said no, so I was showing that he left the day after
Max, President Obama had Osama bin Laden killed. Romney is going to have Big Bird killed. That's what people are talking about all over the internets. Too too funny.
Also, saw this tweet over at the Obama Diary:
Tweet: Not confirmed yet but I want you to hear it: killers of US Amb. Chris Stevens are said to be detained at Istanbul Airport.
And this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynn-parramore/why-the-pundits-are-wrong_b_1939137.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012
Last night I placed a five-dollar bill into a bowl at the start of the debate, clipped to a prediction that Romney would be declared the winner. Not especially because I think that Romney is a better debater, or that I feared Obama would make some horrible gaffe - but because that's how The Script has to go in these cases.
Obama did what anybody paying close attention would have known he would do. He played it safe. And he stuck to a rather dull rhetorical style because - he has a rather dull rhetorical style. Also because that's what you do when you're the frontrunner. You don't say or do anything wild and crazy. You let your opponent jump up and down and make excitable noises. Which is precisely what Romney did. Some have read Romney's stance as aggressive, others as pushy, but there's one word that you're unlikely to hear: "presidential." Makes for good theatrics. But it won't win you the White House.
So why did the President keep on the gloves? Obama did not jump on Romney's 47%-of-Americans-are-Losers comment because his campaign had already done a handy job with that, and there was no need to drive home the point and appear undignified. He could have pummeled Romney on various economic policy points, and he did this once or twice, such as his questions about the details of Romney's tax plan. But mostly he just looked bored. That can be read as, "Jeez, look at what I have to put up with!" That's 100% Obama. And yet frantic media accounts suggest that pundits expected to see a gladiator emerge from his staid persona.
In a race that appears to have a frontrunner, media types have an incentive to tighten things up, and this, of course, whips up public opinion. But it won't amount to a hill of beans in the long run. I predict that the needle will wobble slightly, no more (Early poll show Romney up a measly point). The real loser of last night's debate was the American public, which was not properly informed and frequently lied to.
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Now the last thing we need is President Obama behaving like Republicans. Particularly behaving like Mitt.
He didn't. Thank goodness.
jerry, I wasn't disputing where President Obama went. What I was disputing was your statement that he went to a fundraiser. I don't believe he attended a fundraiser.
I'm only going from memory, but I don't believe he attended a fundraiser.
Beyond the obvious moral decay accelerated at an exponential rate by this president, the economic damage he has done lays in wait like an iceberg on a dark ocean night. Ninety percent of risk is lurking below the surface and remains invisible to those consumed by a"fast food style decision making process" and short sound bites of single issue constituency rhetoric!
Obama induced debt (deficit spending) acts like a cancer on our nation and American society. Cancer grows and cannot be contained without serious and often invasive treatment. The cure itself poses serious side effects. We can look to Greece as a sort of microcosm of what Obama is doing to America with what may go down in history as the "most reckless fiscal policy in the history of the industrialized world".
China and others have warned America and the world about the inherent risk in Obama policies, but it appears it will take yet another credit downgrade and perhaps a complete economic collapse for some Americans to wake up to the "harsh and frightening reality" of America's future should Obama be reelected!
STOP OBAMA NOW!
Fact checkers are having a field day with Obama, as well.
Obama campaign is back attacking Romney. Axelrod, claiming that Romney is deceptive and dishonest. New ad coming out called Trust.
If we can’t trust him here [in TV debates] … how could we ever trust him here?” says the ad, showing a picture of the Oval Office.
Axelrod is also calling on the media to put pressure on Romney.
I would love to see a commercial with both of them side by side lying to the American people.
I admit, it does appear Romney likes to fire people. Right there on national TV he told Jim Lehr, "You're fired!" and told Big Bird to start packing his bags.
Well, he told us months ago during the GOP debates that he liked to fire people. I guess he does.
Obama/Biden 2012
Here, the president comes close to repeating a line that just this week earned him Three Pinocchios. In a new television ad, Obama said that tax cuts and deregulation led to the crisis. But in the debate he broadened his language, bringing in the impact of the Bush tax cuts on the deficit and not directly linking the policies (“it all culminated” versus “led to”) to the financial crash.
With such careful pruning and adjusting of language, a politician can easily shed one or two Pinocchios.
But another part of Obama’s statement is misleading. There’s no doubt that George W. Bush owns an unimpressive record on job creation. But as we have previously demonstrated, Obama comes in either last, second-to-last or in the bottom half among presidents since the Great Depression, depending on which way you look at the numbers.
Washington Post -Fact Checker
Pat from Boston, or is that you David Axelrod?
What in the last 4 years has the President done to prompt you to not only support him with your vote, but send money? Seriously. I never understood this adoration mentality, and what, you're on first name basis with the MSNBC cheerleaders? Go easy on Rachel, Ed and Chris; WHY?! They are shills, and you are a puppet.
Somebody needs to check Obama's ass for Pat Boston MA.'s tongue.
Pat, Thanks for the Parramore article.
Angie Aker with Move On also wrote today "During last night's presidential debate, Mitt Romney smirked his way through dozens of mischaracterizations, distortions, and outright lies. The moderator, Jim Lehrer, never cut him off. And now the mainstream media is saying that Mitt won the debate"...."He lied about his tax plan, his deficit plan, and Medicare. He lied about what "Obamacare" would do. He lied, baldly and convincingly, about Obama's entire presidency."
Mitt lies on top of his lies. As long as Mitt tells it over and over again people will start believing it. Sad, just really sad.
Really Max? That's EXACTLY how Obooboo got elected!
Pat- I really enjoyed your job comment. The funny thing is that the President can now be tied to his current job. He can be tied back to not meeting with a number of his appointed cabinet members. He can be tied back to not meeting with his economic committee when the economy is struggling. He can be tied to the White House log as meeting with Trumka and other friends hundreds of times. He can be tied to providing appointments(cabinet positions, committee appointments, ambassadorships, etc.) to his donors. He can be tied to all of those out of office trips around the country for the last two years to campaign for the job he already has. He can be tied to the lavish vacations with multiple Air Force 1 jets for his wife and kids leaving an hour before he did. He can be tied to all of those world leaders he didn't visit with when in the same city for the same events. He can be tied by records to repaying his donors 100-1000x for their donations by providing them with stimulus money and bailouts. I can keep going on and on based on the RECORDS, not conjecture.
I thought Romney hit it home when he mentioned that the President chose to give 50 years of tax incentives to Green Jobs (friends) instead of hiring teachers. Funny how when you hear something said a different way that you start to realize how much money we are talking about and what choices the President chose.
On those prestigious positions he's held in the past, you might want to read some on that too:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/to-be-lawyer-or-not-to-be.html
President Obama was never a professor, he was a lecturer. Some other fun too if you don't mind looking around and reading.
Joe NY - President Obama was offered tenure as a professor at UofC but declined because of his other obligations. His students still referred to him as professor. Officials at the Unversity said they would have been delighted had he accepted the offer of professor.
Try posting an actual site that isn't right wing junk if you want to be accurate. You could actually go the the UofC website and have facts - not the lies you post.
President Obama's classes were always filled and he had students on wait lists to get into his classes.
Our President has supported alternative energy yes and many of them have been donors. However, he has not gone to war to fill the pockets of Haliburton - like Bush and Cheney. Unfortunately when new technologies are being developed, some do not work. It's that simple.
Try going for the truth instead of your half-truths and downright lies. It will make you look at least a little believable - not much but a little!
Obama/Biden 2012
Wow, Pat good post as always, I think this might be the turning point of the race. It may have awakened the sleeping giant. The American democrat, to make sure and get out the vote. We also may see a step up in the scrutiny of Mr. Romney. We know he cannot withstand a close scrutiny. Things like what Newt Gingrich said about him in the primary. Don't think the Texas Governor was to kind at that point in time, his tax records. What is he hiding?
Also I think Obama needs to bring out his accomplishments, which are the accomplishments for the American people. The 47% that Mitt now loves. But on tape he was showing them only scorn. I will put my $5 bill in the bowl that Obama returns to the White house and accomplishes many more great things. Get out the vote.
Come on rightys, do you really want Romney to be our president? Understand arithmetic?
Right because Seeking you are never believable no matter how much you type it, no matter how hostile you come across. No matter what or how many names you call someone.
Pat Boston MA ... I'm with you and Obama, we need to burn this Country Down ... burn it all. Obama needs to take all the wealth and establish a true Government for the people and by the people ... I'm so sick of old people consuming all the wealth. Most consume about $250,000 the last few days of their life ... after say 70 years old, we should deny all medical procedures except pain management ... they need to step aside so others can step up ... Burn it all Down Obama we're right here with you ...
Obama's performance last night was just like his performance in his Job, he failed at both. He misunderstood the job in tailed, he thought it was just to party and act like a wannabe movie star he didn't think it actually meant he had to WORK!!!!!!
beel, 3% for those making over $250,000 a year. First 250 don't count. So a half a mill a year would cost those poor unfortunate $7500. You fools will wreck your country for a mere $7500 our of a half a mill. Sad. The country will burn if the poor get much poorer. Fat men do not riot.
Janie, how would you enjoy a forcible rape? Would you carry a baby to birth from that? Think girl, think what else you loose if the republican taliban have its way.
beelzebubb - you've clearly confused Mitt's plan with Obama's. See with Mitt's plan, once you get old, you should just go away and die. You have no right to get any benefits that might possibly even take a penny from the 1%. They simply won't have it.
See - easier to understand now?
Stupid JoeNY - the ignorant post of yours is truly telling. President Obama appointed no more donors to jobs than any other President. He has taken fewer "lavish" vacations than Bush did in the same amount of time - no matter than the Obama's - like all Prsident's - pay for their own expenses.
Your abject ignorance is only overshadowed by your eagerness to post it for all to see!
Obama/Biden 2012
And when Hurricane Katrina was killing a hell of a lot more than 4 Americans where was GW...observing the majestic beauty of the El Pueblo Mirage RV and Golf Resort.
Why would I bring u GW? Because Romney has hired his advisers...if you liked Bush... you'll love Romney!
What exactly did everyone send Obama this morning? More Valium. He seemed stoned and out of it. It seriously looked like he either too a pill or someone was talking to him in his ear the way he would move his head and laugh looking down.
Sorry, but "everyone" is not supporting that poor excuse of a leader!
People are crying about how Romney lies.. you need to go back and recheck everything Obama said before he was elected .. oh surprise surprise.. lies lies lies
To all who thought that our president failed last night....I think you're all wrong. My opinion is that President Obama was merely observing what Romney was going to say so that he can hit him hard at the next debate. Sometimes it's wise to just be quiet and listen to your opponent....find out what he stands for, what he's going to say, and how he's going to perform. Next debate is going to be a bit different, I would think. President Obama has seen how the Mittster debates, and he now knows what the Mittster believes and will say.....now he can come back to him with the REAL facts!!! Sometimes you have to lose one to win a couple!!! Besides, Romney will NEVER remember what he said last night....he'll flip flop and conveniently forget his comments! You can certainly bet that President Obama won't forget what was said!!! He was being quiet for a reason!
I asked my conservative friends which Romney was going to show up last night -- the tea party Romney, the moderate Romney or the left wing Romney? Well -- the moderate to left wing Romney showed up. But I think his 1% buddies may be a little shocked because according to last night's Romney -- they won't be getting a tax cut.
In his complaint, Karger lays out a chronology of Romney's real estate moves since his failed presidential bid in 2008. According to Karger's timetable, Romney and his wife, Ann, bought a $12.5 million home in La Jolla, California, in May 2008. ("I wanted to be where I could hear the waves," Romney told the AP of his move to the West Coast.) Thereafter, Romney became a regular at California political events, even campaigning for Meg Whitman during her gubernatorial bid. A year later, in April 2009, the Romneys sold their home in Belmont, Massachusetts, for $3.5 million, and registered to vote from an address in the basement of an 8,000 square-foot Belmont manse owned by their son Tagg. But where the Romneys really lived these past couple of years seems to be a bit of a mystery. While Romney was appearing at so many California political events people were speculating he was going to run for office there, the National Journal reported in May 2009 that the Romneys had made their primary residence a $10 million estate in New Hampshire.
The discrepancies in the news coverage prompted Karger to take a closer look, in part because he found it dubious that a guy worth $500 million would really be living in his son's basement.
The President has no worries at all. Romney is an "empty suit" and has no plan at all. Oh he states that he's got this grand plan of massive tax breaks for everyone and cutting out loopholes for the wealthy and middle class? But what are the details of that plan?? He doesn't even know or probably more like won't tell because if he told the details of those plans he would lose the election instantly. Romney and Ryan are going to give Americans the biggest screwing they have ever seen - well maybe not their wealthy gop friends - but you and I. At least the President has layed out all the details to all the plans he has for the economy, health care and SS and all seem at least possible. But then you consider the gop/teabag majority controlling congress who delight with knowing they were the ones who caused at least 2/3 of the deficit and crashing the economy and joyously now get to blame our President. The problem is most rational thinking Americans see right through the gop scheme and they don't buy it. Does williard and the republicans think were going to buy that crap with all the flippety flopping flop mitty has been constantly doing???? Give us a break we're supposed to take your word for it and just trust you. You connies must be kidding, right. There is an old saying that "the devil is in the details" - so republicans, we want details and not the BS lip service your serving. The gop reply......crickets. President Obama has no worries at all....carry on.
Enough of the suppression bs. Its not unreasonable to require people to get FREE ID's to vote.
The sounds of desperation coming from the left. Excuses galore and blame and not one person willing to admit that the empty suit they so love is nothing but an empty suit. Take away his teleprompters, put him in a place where he has to answer some serious questions about HIS presidency and he falls flat.
The altitude, the anniversary, the bully Romney, the bad moderator, any and everything to make excuses for a failure. NOW he's energized? Of course, he doesn't have to defend his record or his policies, he can blather away about grannie and spiel homilies to an adoring crowd of braindead acolytes bussed in by the unions and he's fer sure energized...either that or they've changed his meds.
To be honest I was kinda embarrassed that Obama was the President as I watched him last night. He seemed so incompetent and to beat all arrogant. Way out if his league and comfort zone.
Well, the first polls are out and Obama is up 1% and Robme is up by 2%. Now that is a really big bump!
Historically, the incumbent has lost the 1st debate 6 out of 7 times. Clinton is the exception. The next debate? So far it is 3 to 3. The next one will be the tie breaker.
One can expect Obama to call Robme on his lies in that one. After all, Robme has a record of lying 71% of the time. What else can he do?
Miklkit: No REAL polls can come out that quick. Not sure what you were looking at but it wasn't a legitimate poll. It takes 3 to 5 business days to complete a poll from a reputable statistical polling company so that means no LEGITIMATE polls will come out until Wednesday or Thursday of next week. Asking your friends what THEY thought is not a legitimate poll.
I wonder if NfBC FR would had printed the same thing if Romney would have lost.
no way. I put on MSNBC after the debate and i couldnt stomach the venom that was spewing. Man those guys were near sucidial. They werent mad at romney, they were mad at Obama. I would be too if carried his water daily only for the not so great performance Obama gave (it wasnt too bad but he had higher expectations).
And Romney didn't do very well, himself, what with the fact that all he had were vague plans and no specifics. I think in his case the expectations were quite low, and he lied his way into sounding like he actually cared about the middle class. Of course, according to him, the middle class makes up to $250K per year.
If Romney had lost last night even Hannity would have said the race was over and would have been calling for Romney to drop out of the race.
Maybe President Obama was lulling them into a feeling of overconfidence ?
I wonder if the Romney campaign is going to be taking back some of the things Romney said last night. Will he really be keeping his promise to not cut taxes for the wealthy ? Will he really prevent insurance companies from having a no pre-existing conditions part to their policies ? Will he really work to hire more teachers ?
Will Romney KILL BIG BIRD ?
Caesar Augustus- My husband and I went to NBC after the debates ended and could not believe the rants against Obama. I thought that Rachel's head was going to come off. The Reverend was so quiet that I thought he was taking a nap.
Again, let's not rub it in too much, we have 3 more debates to go and is not over until is over.
On a lighter note, I heard that Chicago ran out of depression drugs last night.
The President performed very well last night. Willard on the other hand sounded like a chicken in a pin before head gets cut off. Willard also looked like he had pooped in his pants.
4 more for 44
Maybe..., just maybe, Obama would have been more prepared if he had at some point during the last 4 years actually been challenged on his positions...
President Obama did lose the debate and I am glad that Romney was great. However in defense of the President, the only incumbent that did win the first debate in the last 20 years was Clinton. The president was not prepared and had a sense of arrogance about him. I get a sitting president has an ego they are the leader of the free world. However, what happened with his poor performance last night told me that he either does not really want to win or he feels he is above the debates and everyone else. THis president does not challenge himself, he goes on the view, radio shows, but does not do enough press conferences. He needs to step up his game or he will lose.
Job1. You are truly delusional.
What you saw in Romney was leadership. What you saw in Obama was a wasted four year social experiment. Time for him to go back to the kiddie table and let the grown ups speak.
and now Al Gore is claiming the reason Obama did so poorly was because of the altitude. LMFAO, Dems make any excuse they can rather than take any blame.
LOL.
We've been waiting four years for Barry's "specifics".
So far what we've got is
UNEMPLOYMENT
DEBT
NO ECONOMY
NO JOB GROWTH
ILLEGAL LAWBREAKERS GRANTED GREEN CARDS
FOOD STAMPS
WELFARE CHECKS
2 CREDIT RATING DECLINES
Given Barry's above "specifics", anyone who is sane agrees it's time to send this inexperienced clown back to Chicago - where he can visit his buddy Blagojevich rotting in jail.
Another point where Romney out and out lied is when he said there were no tax cuts for moving your plants overseas. The tax code currently allows companies moving operations overseas to deduct their moving expenses – and reduce their taxes in the United States as a result. How can he stand there knowing so many Americans are watching and lie through his teeth and expect to be believed???
OK....if it's such a bad deduction, I would suppose Obama would have removed it.....in....well, the last 4 years!
It appears Jimmy in Philly is the Elliot's replacement account.... nothing but loud and boisterous.
While I wasn't excited about Obama's performance, he did do well in the sense that he didn't challenge the moderator or demand time as Romney did. Obama did a good job of not going after some of Romney's bait. All he had to do was not screw up and he did fine. I don't see people that supported Obama leaving him for Romney over the debate performance.
Romney still doesn't provide specifics, yet his campaign promised them. Last night was prime time TV, and he again failed to deliver specifics.
Hey Libs:
WE TOLD YOU SO!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Romney/Ryan2012!!
Obama did not lose last night. He was more truthful than Romney was. The media has set this up. If you have paying attention to the news for the last 2 days. This was all preconcievedand just as phony as Romney is.
After the debate, Gov. Romney goes back to one of his palacial manors, with his family in tow, drinks a de-caf tea, and rests up for the next debate. After the debate, President Obama goes back to the crisis room, deals with Syria, Iran, Libya, the economy, sequestration,Russia, Afghanistan, Israel, Egypt, natural disasters,(such as Japans' Tidal wave), unnatural disasters caused by natural disasters,( same tidal wave damaging the nuclear facility in Japan), natural disasters caused by unnatural disasters,(BP in the Gulf of Mexico), national security issues, world-wide economic near collapses, etc., etc. Oh, and by the way, all the time trying to make sure that the 47% in Romneys' talking points never are left to have to rely on the Mittster for help. Obama in 2012!
Welll let's see how we all got there in the first place...BUSH! We've always had unemployment. The GOP first priority within Pres. Obama's first 3 months was to make sure he did not get re-elected...REALLY! So they put a wrench into just about every thing placed on the table...delays, delays. While the rich ol boys and girls...kept their billions stationary so nothing moved. The DOW..well it's at it's highest in years, but profits are all on paper...If you want a president that keeps foreign bank accounts, doesn't want to disclose his taxes...take the hint..vote for Romney then, he has spoken so many lies that he probably can't remember the actual truth. We've always had illegals, food stamps and unemployment when those with the money take it and don't do anything substantial with it. We are all pawns on the board to them, someone little who will do all the labor and dirty work while they pay minimum wage, no health benefits, and control the amount we pay in rent and utilities, food and gas. I'd rather see a President try and fail and show his human side than listen to another smirky ass Bush who drove us into this mess in the first place. My vote will be for Obama, because he came out saying he would do his best and try, not lie like Romney who came out saying ...I will do this and I will do that. So much for a team leader, sounds typical of him...not wanting to involve his team players.
Obama let Romney beat him up so he could get some "Pity Sex" on his wedding anniversary........That's why he had that "Po oh me" look on his face all during the debate.
I doubt Michelle fell for it though......
PBS's Jim Lehrer being criticized by liberals, letfy spin meisters running around like scalded dogs and banging on Obama, the end of Big Bird and goverment funding of PBS in site. Is this some kind of wonderful day or what?
All those rich guys supporting Romney just lost their promised tax cuts last night. Or did they? Stay tuned to "the shifting positions of Mitt" to find out.
"That's because he had his teleprompter"
They are still his words and positions. What difference does it make if he reads 'em off a screen or, say, the palm of his hand?
Obama will try harder? ok then i guess i will vote for him. TY sctwn
You feel sorry for those who support the President? Well hell righties! Right back atcha! Here you all are, been bragging about what a beautiful and fast hoss Romney is. He goes into a debate disguised as a cow claiming He can produce 40 gallons of milk a day. Also bawls He will give up both His "hind quarters" for the good of 47% of the people He previously neighed as a hoss, were government teat suckers. While the President sure screwed up by not roping Him, or Her, if He really is a cow, or, something else, you righties don't know any more about who Romney really is than we do. Fact, no one is sure who or what Romney really is. I'd save that pity. There's a better than 90% likelyhood you'll need it for yourselves.
Laker Steve: You are still a liar just like Romney.
The republicons passed a bill giving big tax cuts to corporations that exported American jobs overseas when you controlled the whole government.
The Democrats tried to repeal that POS law in Oct. 2010, but were blocked by you anti American republicons.
The Democrats tried to repeal that anti American law again last July, and you anti American republicons blocked them once again!
Are you wearing your American flag lapel pin?
"When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible." Sinclair Lewis.
The bottom line you Willard fans have to understand is Willard Romney will never ever be elected President.
Hmmm.....Oct. 2010.....you mean when the Democrats had control of the House, Senate and Presidency?
Seems to me like those were the cuts the Democrats extended to me!
Job1
then why are you frantically putting up data showing Romney will lose, why are you making up lies about PBS and the debates? so if your so confident then you dont have to do what youve been doing. Carry on Job1
bottom line Job1 - you sound like a sore loser.
Laker Steve - regarding my comment that there IS a law in the tax code providing a deduction for moving your company overseas, you stated,
OK....if it's such a bad deduction, I would suppose Obama would have removed it.....in....well, the last 4 years!"
Obama can't just "get rid of" a law he thinks is not right. Hopefully in your civics high school class you learned that bills are created and made into law through the legislative process -- not just because the President says so. You do not address in your response the fact that Romney straight out lied because there is no acceptable response except perhaps "oops."
There are no tax breaks for "moving companies overseas". There are standard reductions (due to losses) that any company receives when they close a plant or move operations, whether it is to Kansas City or Beijing. There are standard business expenses that can be written off that are related to moving a business, but again, it doesn't matter whether it is to Denver or Dubai. Romney was exactly right in what he said.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 - Because The Economy Matters
Lisa - President Obama has proposed a bill that would remove that deduction and add a tax increase for any company that moves a job overseas. It would also give a tax break to companies that bring jobs back to the US. The Republicans in the House have tabled the proposal each time - most recently right before their recess - refusing to even bring it to a vote.
We need to file treason charges against these clowns who have signed an oath to Grover Norquist and failed the country.
Obama/Biden 2012
JC - so there ARE tax cuts involved. It doesn't matter if there are tax cuts elsewhere in the tax code for similar situations. You have just verified that these tax cuts DO exist. Thank you!! It's good when the opposition accepts your facts as valid.
I had to record last nights debate but was glad I did so after reading all the comments. Obama was a loser last night no matter how you slice it. One thing I did notice is that when Romney called Obama on the carpet for his half trurths and lies at one point when Romney was explaining his position Obama klooked kind of Sheepish and like he was embarrassed and said OK. A person can tell a lot by looking at reaction and eye movements. Obama did not want to look at Obama when he was basically telling the same lie over three times and each time Romney called him out on it. When you have someone that will not look you in the eye when speaking they most times are hiding something or lying. He did this continuosly throughout the debate. He looked so uncomfortable up there he looked like he rather be anywhere but up there on stage.
@ SeekingSanity... There is no such tax break!!! Never was but it sure makes for a great sound bite. This is typical Obama. He has done this type of stupid lying to get office in Chicago and he still does it because he knows people like you will beleive it. By the way name the section of tax cose where this exist if you think it does exist. Fact is it does not. Get a little sanity.
The president sucked last night .. he did horrible .. he should be ashamed to call himself president and many will be glad when he is gone!
I am now actually quite pleased with the candidacy of Romney and Ryan. We have never before been blessed with such a pair of buffoonish liars being stuck in our faces daily. When viewed rightly, people such as myself, caught in the daily aggravations of work, and/or business, can be afforded a great mood lift from the articulated ridiculousness emitting from these 2 apparently unconscious comedians. Hell, many of us, using their arithmetic, may find we possess much more wealth than traditional arithmetic allowed us to think. If Mitt Romney can lower taxes, install His version of health care, increase defense spending, create 12 million jobs, and yet lower the deficit all by the cessation of funding PBS, then I may even be worth several million dollars. Damn! If this fuzzy R and R stuff ever really works, a lot of us are gonna wish for those funny tax breaks. Additionally, if Romney/Ryans magical math works, then, to hell with those who are out of work, or drawing unemployment. They have much more than they think, and damn sure do not need any help. Romney appears to be as crazy as a sighted bat grounded in hell, and just as comical.
Romney: ‘I’m Running For Office for Pete’s Sake, I Can’t Have Illegals’
By Eric Scheiner
October 19, 2011
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(CNSNews.com)- During last night’s Republican presidential debate in Las Vegas, Nev., former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney admitted that a lawn company he had used hired illegal immigrants and that when he found out he told the company it could not have illegal aliens working on his property because he was running for office.
Tsk, Obama lost the debate, get over it. Perhaps Obama should have prepped more? Going against Romney in a debate is a far cry from nattering with Letterman and the View. The media is a whore for Obama...nuff said.
mygirl1,
"Tsk, Obama lost the debate, get over it."
But Romney will lose the election, and that is the one thing that counts.
"The media is a whore for Obama...nuff said."
Then why have the media been crowing about Romney's winning this debate if they are a whore for Obama? Get it straight!
Jeff
If the debate was a boxing match it would have been stopped. It was a TKO in round one. The only bull that came out was from the TALKING HEAD.
Now I really want to see the college transcripts from this guy. I always thought the guy was a mathematical moron now I am beginning to question the intelligence. An actor who plays the role of Einstein is not Einstein. I have never heard one intelligent thing from this guy.
Better get him out of Colorado before he loses more brain cells because of oxygen depreviation
First Read shows it is fired-up to move on quickly from last night's Obama fail, and lead with positive headlines for their preferred candidate!
It took First Read a little longer than usual to spin something positive this time since they had to can the story they wrote yesterday morning "Obama shines in debate".
It takes awhile to absorb the rapid fire lying and position shifting of the "Mitt".
@shaak322#4.2: Won't ever be enough time for that. I hear now He's appearing "ass forward and crotch backward".
just like obama lied before he was elected .. good comeback .. pathetic is more like it
Romney Doesn’t Understand Why You Can’t Roll Down Windows On A Plane
By Annie-Rose Strasser on Sep 24, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Fire fighters board Ann Romney's plane
On Monday, Mitt Romney offered a remedy to the problem that caused his wife’s airplane to land prematurely last week: Allow passengers to roll down the airplane windows.
whats pathetic, Bryan, is the fact that people like you will vote against their own best interest when they vote for romo and lyin'...unless your in the 2%
Would Mitt have won the GOP primary if he had said the same things he said at the debate? No, Obama would be debating Newt instead. Mitt is the most wishy-washy candidate I have ever witnessed.
I am not American, but have enjoyed following the President these 4 years. Having read these blogs and having heard from Republicans in other fora, there is one thing I am absolutely sure of. Were I American I could never, ever, be a Republican supporter. The ones who frequent these blogs are some of the most lying, vile, hateful, low scum, it has ever been my misfortune to read. I do appreciate the very few who are capable of a somewhat civil debate, but they are few and far between. What is it about the theory of trickle down economics that turns people into dogs, and drives them to the lowest common denominator??? Thank God for the "ignore" button.
By the way - in this particular thread, the liberals are winning THIS debate! It kind of restores your faith in human kind. Lies may be able to circle the world while truth is still putting its boots on, but when truth gets really going, no one on the face of God's green earth can stand up to it.
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I have no doubt that the next debate will be very different.
The first debate showed President Obama very reserved and presidential.
I don't think Romney landed any lasting blows, but rather came off as a moderate.
After spouting the GOP extremists line for the last 18 months, the turnaround was unexpected. Romney won't be cutting taxes, or will he... still hard to tell
All I notice is how worried the right wing is. They are CRAZED trying to make Romney look like a winner.
He isn't. You don't win by lying.
Well, you lefties are the authority on integrity....wasn't it your guy who lied to his terminally wife about his "baby momma" while he was running for President?
bucsdad... "lied to his terminally wife about his "baby momma" while he was running for President ? "
one comment... What are you talking about ?
He seemed reserved and lacking in accomplishments to me. Hard to run on economic failure, foreign policy failure, leadership failure ...
What on earth does John Edwards have to do with this debate?
And since when is he MY guy?
Don't tell me what I think.
newdayDAWNING...RETURNED
NDDR - What debate were you looking at? I'm not a right winger and I thought Romney was definitely the winner yesterday. And so did NBC, CBS, CNN, NYT. Please don't loos hope, there is still 2 more debates to go and it is not over yet.
NDD,
And NO amount of spin changes that FACT!
What I want to know is:
Will Romney cut taxes for the wealthy, or not ?
Will Romney KILL BIG BIRD ?
Those on the right can poke fun at the President all you want, you can hate him all you want, you can call us all the 'endearing' names and you do, but it doesn't change the fact, that President Obama is light years ahead of Romney in intelligence and integrity. President Obama plays 3 dimensional chess while the rest play one dimensional checkers
We know what President Obama stands for, we know he will fight for us and the middle class as he has demonstrated so many times......you don't know what Mitt Romney stands for, you don't even know if he's a conservative. You only know what he's against, someone y'all dislike with blinding hatred for whatever that may be. How can you trust someone like that, unless you are in the 1% he'll never do anything to benefit you.
Feisty: I believe the facts will come out in the next few days about the lies that were told. When they do: the effusive praise for Romney not falling off the stage will end.
You don't win by lying.
Ever.
If lost and clueless is "Presidential" to you then you did see it in Obama.
I saw failure in Obama and Leadership in Romney.
Not true Fiesty.
Proof is Obama won in 2008.
What's next in the excuse department from you?
Extreme left-wing fanatic Andrew Sullivan's blog kind of summed it all up:
It shouldn't be a surprise Lefties - we've been telling you.
Poor JoAnna: are you STILL trying to make yourself feel better about Romney, dear?
Andrew Sullivan? Really? I'm sorry to have to tell you this since you do not seem to know, but Sullivan is a conservative. Left wing fanatic? Only in your dreams, poor JoAnna.
NDD,
I warned them earlier, underestimate the President at their own risk!
Indeed, Feisty!
Fisty, no one will believe any of your predictions again. This debate outcome was totally opposite of what you and your village idiots predicted!! You are dismissed!!
You Libby's are repeating the same BS. If Romney lied why didn't Barry call him on them? Why is it that nobody calls BS except the noitalls on here. Don't you think the White House would say something? Sure, your MSM buddies will spin anything they can but it's to little to late. Your confidence with your own party is crashing rapidly and your desperation is very apparent. Your own lib media correspondence are bickering amongst each other and throwing zer0bama under the bus. Wait and see what Ryan is gonna do to old-man Biden!
Romney/Ryan2012 BOOM!!
Jaysus, unonothing: are you completely bonkers? Romney is being called out on it NOW!
But, you on the right do love your liars don't you? That's how we got stuck with Bush two terms after he lied us INTO WAR!
Now. Go let the grown ups talk.
newdayYawning......go back to coloring and watching your Honey Boo Boo. You're an embarrassment to the human race.
Romney/Ryan2012
BOOM!!
If you think fast talk and changing positions on the fly makes for a good President, then Romney's your guy.
I prefer careful, thoughtful, deliberate, and steady.
OBAMA 2012
Um, Feisty.....one question:
If Romney was lying about something, don't you think Obama would have called him out on it to discredit him in front of 52 million potential voters?
No, instead it was Obama who was called out for being an incompetent pathetic leader.....not to mention a 4 year liar....supported by FACTS.
Yes, it was a blood-letting last night.
Guys - it's a new day. We all know that within a week Mitt will do something stupid to erase last night. It's just a matter of time - and usually just a short time!
Obama/Biden 2012
unoitall, today is the first time I've noticed you on the Vine. But you've already disgusted me enough to put you on ignore. It's useless to even converse with you.
Good Bye........
@ gingerbread,
"President Obama plays 3 dimensional chess while the rest play one dimensional checkers"
Looks like the President needed to keep his mind on the debate...looked like he was somewhere else doing who knows what...sort of like his four years in office.
So to make matters worse he was pounded by a master of one dimensional checkers last night as well. Nice
Next
What we saw last night was a fast talking used car salesman and a professor.
Romney lied so often I had to take off my shoes to keep count.
The republicons did indeed pass a law giving big tax cuts to corporations that export American jobs overseas. The Democrats did indeed try to repeal it. Twice! The republicons blocked them. Twice!
Actions speak louder than words and the Democrats clearly stand up for Americans.
Vote for America. O and Joe 2012.
Last night Mitt said he didn't have a "tax cut". He said he is "giving tax relief". How can anyone believe anything he says?
unonothing: Honey boo boo? I had to google it to know what you are talking about.
Which means YOU WATCH IT!
God, how sad.
Because Mitt is not in office yet, and what we've gotten from the incumbent of the last 4 years is 23 million people under or unemployed, massive debt, stagnant economy, no job growth, illegal lawbreakers granted green cards, tripled gas prices, & two credit rating declines.
Give me anyone running for office who doesn't have that record!
Seeking,
A week? How generous of you! ;o)
I'm starting to think the President deliberately set Willard up last night!
Just think of the smack down he can put on him in campaign ads & the remaining debates...
History has proven the President is always playing 3-D chess with the right wing nitwits play tict-tac-to!
Romney talked about $90 billion on green jobs. That is figure from Stimulus bill, $60 billion infrastructure, $30 billion Green jobs. 2/3 rds LIE Romney
Romney won't increase deficit with his promised $480 billion tax rate cut. He promised last night to use only loophole closing to pay for this. However, there's not enough money in loopholes to cover $480 billion, 20% tax rate cut, so where's the rest of the money coming from? LIE Romney
$716 billion cost savings in Medicare according to CBO. Romney repeated his false claim that this would hurt retirees three times. 3 LIES Romney.
Romney claimed ACA would cost $6000 per family in increased costs. In his own plan in Massachusetts, health care costs actually dropped. They are essentially the same plan (from Heritage Foundation and some really smart Massachusetts health policy experts). Another LIE Romney
I'm at 5 2/3rds LIES for Romney. Can he break Paul Ryan's convention speech record for LIES? Stay tuned for future updates.
bucsdad-4541537
Well, you lefties are the authority on integrity....wasn't it your guy who lied to his terminally wife about his "baby momma" while he was running for President?
Why yes...and wasn't it your guy, a member of Congress who was caught tapping a cop's foot under a bathroom stall?
...Now that's integrity!
Romney is the worst POS. His parents were on welfare but hey hypocrite Romney...47 percent is how you were raised
OBAMA 2012
ROMNEY 1040
@miklkit... You are the liar. Come on Obama could not even look Romney in the face because he knew he was lying.
Second find me the tax cose that says exporters of jobs get a tax break. The fact is it does not exist. No fact checkers have found it and a firend that works for the IRS told me it does not exist. If you want to say it does and that republicans passed such a bill tell me what bill by bill number. You will not be able to. So before you call someone else a liar know what you are talking about first!
In his complaint, Karger lays out a chronology of Romney's real estate moves since his failed presidential bid in 2008. According to Karger's timetable, Romney and his wife, Ann, bought a $12.5 million home in La Jolla, California, in May 2008. ("I wanted to be where I could hear the waves," Romney told the AP of his move to the West Coast.) Thereafter, Romney became a regular at California political events, even campaigning for Meg Whitman during her gubernatorial bid. A year later, in April 2009, the Romneys sold their home in Belmont, Massachusetts, for $3.5 million, and registered to vote from an address in the basement of an 8,000 square-foot Belmont manse owned by their son Tagg. But where the Romneys really lived these past couple of years seems to be a bit of a mystery. While Romney was appearing at so many California political events people were speculating he was going to run for office there, the National Journal reported in May 2009 that the Romneys had made their primary residence a $10 million estate in New Hampshire.
The discrepancies in the news coverage prompted Karger to take a closer look, in part because he found it dubious that a guy worth $500 million would really be living in his son's basement.
@What no pink birds for Obama.
A man that does not look another man in the EYE when talking to him is not much of a man. All I heard last week was how Obama was going to take Romney to school in the Debate .
Bottom line Romney won TKO Romney-Ryan Nov 6
Hate to break this to you buddy....but under Obama the 1% are still very damn well the 1%.
And the "middle class" Obama supposedly cares so much about? (the 99%) Well, 47 million of them are on food stamps, and another 23 million are either under or unemployed.
Before you call someone a hypocrite......try looking in the mirror!
Kevin: The 2010 version was called the Bring Jobs Home Act (S.2884). It would have ended tax cuts for corporations exporting jobs overseas and also would have given a payroll tax holiday to corporations that brought jobs back to America. Here is a piece of one article.
The bill under consideration Tuesday would have ended tax deductions for expenses incurred when companies shutter U.S. operations and shift the work abroad; imposed a new tax on products once made in the United States but now manufactured by foreign workers; and offered employers a two-year payroll tax holiday on jobs repatriated from overseas.
The payroll tax break would have let employers keep about $1 billion over the next decade, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, while the tax increases would have taken back about $300 billion over the same period.
The bill that you republicons blocked last July was named Bring Jobs home Act ( S.3364). It was identical to S.2884. It failed cloture, which means it was filibustered by you republicons.
This bill is provisionally dead due to a failed vote for cloture on July 19, 2012. Cloture is required to move past a Senate filibuster or the threat of a filibuster and takes a 3/5ths vote. In practice, most bills must pass cloture to move forward in the Senate.
Are you wearing your American flag lapel pin?
http://www.thecleverest.com/countdown.swf
Obama notes.
Oops - sorry for the double post. Edited.
Yeah... that's the problem. It has NOTHING to do with Barry's pathetic record...
Bucsdad
The recession of 2008-2009 took all the experts by surprise. After a $120 billion bipartisan stimulus bill in Feb 2008 (lump sum checks of $1200/family in June 2008) and a fed discount rate cut of from 5.25% in Sept 2007 to 2% in June 2008, experts were generally predicting a recovery in 2nd half of 2008.
In the 2nd half of 2008, we actually saw growth get even worse as the financial crisis, triggered by the housing bubble burst and rising food and gas prices, further eroded the health of the banking and auto industries. We teetered on the edge of a huge financial crisis that could trigger another Great Depression. Initial estimates for negative growth in the 3rd quarter 2008 was -5%. This was the backdrop for the bank bailout signed by Pres. Bush.
When Obama took office in Jan 2009, Republican leaders plotted to make him fail. He still passed the stimulus despite their opposition. It stopped the negative growth by Summer 2009. Later revised figures came in and actual 3rd quarter 2008 growth was -7.5% and for the 4th quarter 2008 growth was -8.5%. If there had been no stimulus, this negative growth trend would have continued and millions more jobs would have been lost.
Under Republican leadership at that time, we would have entered a Great Depression with estimates of unemployment ranging from 15% and higher. Thousands of businesses would have failed. Millions more homeowners would have defaulted on their loans. Chrysler and GM would have gone out of business. Banks would have been further buried in more bad debt and their survival would have required another bailout.
When Republicans say the Obama's stimulus did not work, they are lying. It saved many jobs that would have been lost and many businesses that would have been lost if the negative growth had continued. It helped stabilize the economy and it is estimated that 3.3 million jobs resulted from the stimulus.
Obama's decisive action in getting stimulus passed saved America from a terribly destructive Great Depression.
OBAMA 2012...for a job well done.
1. It's a tax! There wasn't much for Republicans to love in the Supreme Court's ruling that Obamacare is constitutional, except that they concluded the individual mandate is, for constitutional purposes (but not for others), a tax. The soundbites write themselves. Republicans can now brand Obama as raising taxes on the middle class, or, if they're feeling particularly blustery, "the biggest tax increase in the history of the world." But ABC News' Michael Falcone pulls up video from a January 2008 Republican presidential primary debate in which Romney seems to think such a tax is pretty great. When the debate moderator asks, "Governor … you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?" Romney defends the mandate by framing it terms of personal responsibility. "Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way," he said. "Don’t be free-riders."
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2. It's "ultimate conservatism." In 2007, Romney said that when the uninsured show up in emergency rooms and get free health care, that's a "form of socialism." By contrast, his health care law was conservative and inspired by the Heritage Foundation, something that is true and that the Heritage Foundation would probably like people to forget.
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Romney said a version of this multiple times. In January 2008, he told Fox News Sunday, "I think it's the ultimate conservative plan." Last year, Romney also said his law was based on "fundamentally a conservative principle."
3. It's a good national model. Romney boasted that Congress and the President could learn a lot about health care reform from his Massachusetts plan during an interview with CNN in 2009, "I think there are a number of features in the Massachusetts plan that could inform Washington on ways to improve health care for all Americans," he said "The fact that we were able to get people insured without a government option is a model I think they can learn from." Start at 1:05 and note the lack of concern about constitutional issues.
4. It's humane. When Romney left office in 2007, his staff erased his office's emails from a server computer in an attempt to wipe them from the public record. But earlier this month, The Wall Street Journal found a few survivors, including Romney's own early drafts of his April 2006 Journal op-ed about the passage of Romneycare. Romney used language that would surely irritate many conservatives, and it was toned down when eventually published. Nevertheless, Romney's original thoughts are preserved forever:
Obama came off as arrogant and out of his league. It was embarrassing to watch him. He acted shifty and resentful. No leadership qualities evident. I have waited for these debates as I am sitting on a fence.
@Burning Brightly#6.4: Was He possibly taken aback and embarrassed by the demeanor and totally out of context charade put on by Romney? The man lied worse, and more ridiculous, than a whore being questioned by the vice squad. You ever met someone with whom you have a known history, and upon meeting them, find they are incoherent, and talking crazy as hell? Disconcerting to say the least. I think the President likely thought Romney had lost his gwaddamned mind.
This is the best headline yet from the LIB TARDS at First Read....nothing like "unbiased" reporting....Romney spanked Barry's pathetic tuchus and these guys are trying to keep it positive.....HA HA HA. What a bunch of GOOBERS? The problem is ANYONE with a half a brain can see right through it......
And anyone can see right through the lies Romney told. Check out the NBC fact checking group as well as factcheckdotorg. Romney kept saying his tax cuts won't add anything to the deficit and an independent nonpartisan firm has determined that they will add $4.8M to the deficit. Granted that's not the $5M that Obama kept mentioning, but it's pretty darned close for round figures.
bucsdad-4541537,
"The problem is ANYONE with a half a brain can see right through it......"
Could not have said it better myself!
Anyone with half a brain is what I have considered REPUBLICANS.
And your post just validated that.
So happy to see that you guys are being honest.
For once.
Lisa - read more. The "nonpartisan firm" is a left wing group. Six other firms have analyzed Mitt's proposals and agree they do not add to the deficit.
Lisa, I think it's trillion, not million. . . .
Wrong, Bender. Do your research!
Lisa If romney alony adds 5 M to the deficit, that will 5.5Billion less than what we had to watch with Owebama
It's comments like those that make me wonder why we ever gave women the vote!!!!!
It's comments like yours that explain why the Republicans are losing the vote of--and alienating--women.
What I like about your comment, though, is that it's so refreshingly stupid.
Care to name them? The Tax Policy Center has had economists and accountants attempt to reconcile Romney's plan and the numbers don't add up. I'd love to see what 6 accounting firms agree with Romney, if you would name them please?
And let's not forget that Romney called the Tax Policy Center "objective" when they criticized Rick Perry's plan.
It's so easy for Romney's handlers to dismiss reports that criticize his policies. They simply say that the reports are prepared by "liberals", and immediately all the non-thinking RWNJs line up behind them and goosestep down the boulevard.
Yes, hesea, unless the number is $5T, because then Rob-Me will have added $4.5T more to the deficit than Obama (that's based on the number you provided--not that there's any credibility to it).
A person with no brain can see through Romney's bull s ....t lies. The problem we have in congress is the same problem we have on this web site. Not one of you can come up with answers. All you know is to call each other names like children fighting over a toy in a sandbox. Do some you have a university degree, I wonder where your true intelligence is. Maybe you should bend over and look between your legs, maybe you can find it there. My drill sergant always said that was a good place to look to find your brain.
If Obama is energized by abject failure, November 7th should be really special for him plus lots more time for golf.
lisa that 4.8 trillion not million big difference.
readyornot - It's comments like those that make me wonder why we ever gave women the vote!!!!! Believe me - YOU didn't give us anything. We earned everything we have. My guess is you can't get a smart woman to look your way!
Now if we can just figure out how to get dumb men like you from voting at all!
Obama/Biden 2012
Women college grads outnumber men 1.3 to 1. That's what really upsets readyornot. He and his pals are losing ground--and he's scared. Which is why he demeans women.
And that seems to typify the RWNJs. Instead of thinking, "Wow, look how much faster the country would progress and how much better our lives would be if we doubled our brain power," they look only at how it affects them personally. It's sort of the "glass is half full" vs. "glass is half empty" syndrome.
Apologies for the typo - yes, it's $4.8 trillion. And I agree with sunrise, no one has an answer for his lies -- they just call people names and ignore the salient points of the discussion. Romney LIED several times. How can we trust him to do anything he says he is going to do for the middle class when we already have seen that he lies without shame????
Damn Fred....at least know who the hell you're talking about before you crap all over yourself. The Tax Policy Center IS a nonpartisan organization made up of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institute. The Brookings Institute has been around since 1927 and has provide policy analysis to both parties and they both rely on their nonpartisan policy.
But I'm sure you believe the Congressional Budget Office is a liberal organization.
PS. Mind sharing the names of those 6 other organizations?
Obamas mom on welfare?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRY2HRV9gs
That's what I've been asking... They can't because Romney made that up and Obama didn't call him on it. Obama's first response should have been "Six? Wow, can you name them?"
Republicans don't want facts anymore. They are simply too busy making them up. Romney was in overdrive lie mode last night and his positions changed with every Obama challenge.
"It was like trying to nail jello to the wall"
Romney:
- Middle class average income is $250K.
- Students, that can't afford college tuition, should borrow money from their parents (because their parent's earn $250K a year).
- Repeal Obamacare and replace it with the Emergency Room.
- Reduce taxes by 20% while eliminating deductions and exemptions--personal and dependent exemptions, state and local tax credit, mortgage interest credit, educational expense credit, medical expense credit, child care credit, earned income credit. After all of this you'd wish that he simply raised taxes and left the credits alone--less painful.
- 47% of Americans are leeches of society that can't take responsibility for their lives.
- If you're 59 or younger, you get a voucher for Medicare and good luck with the market and inflation.
- The 47% that live off the government will be given jobs--all you 75 and older men and women who don't pay income tax will have to get a job! You disabled people, whether or not you have limbs, will have to get jobs! All you active duty military in combat zones, that don't pay income tax, will have to get jobs!
- If you have capital gains, dividend or large estate income, your tax will go to zero. And you must create jobs, just like you have in the past 12 years.
- All you companies stocking up on toxic chemicals, you will be free to dispose of that nasty stuff as you see fit -- The useless EPA will be eliminated.
- All you companies currently restricted from emitting CO2, will be free from any such restriction -- you will be expected to create more jobs
- All food and Drug companies will be free to manufacture and dispense anything they produce. The FDA will be eliminated.
- We will keep only qualified teachers and they will be able to teach classes of 100 students or more.
- Will eliminate the dept. of education and thereby improve our young people's education levels -- Home schooling forever!!
- We will eliminate unnecessary police, fire and other government workers. If you get robbed, your house catches on fire, or expect any government service--tough it out!!
I am Romney and I am for the Middle Class -- Vote for me and believe in my motto:
“ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT HOW YOUR COUNTRY CAN STICK IT TO YOU!”
@confused-3012211#7.20: The burden of Romneys sack has overwhelmed Him. While the sack continues intact, the Man has become quite unraveled. Frustrated and crazy as a blood tick sucking a red cob. Regards
Energised Obama? What was Obama last night? 67% say Romney won the debate.
Face it liberals. The Ex President is toast.
Face it neocons...if performing good in a debate got you elected president, we'd have Kerry instead of Bush in 2004, right
John Kerry walked into a bar. The bartenders says "why the long face"?
He golfs most days now, unless of course he is on The View, or Letterman or some other lame show, no wonder he blew it last night no time to prepare, no time to run the country, no time to meet with world leaders. He needs to stop refining his debating skills on The View.
if the prez know how to do his job and if he has a clue about the job, i dont think that the prez needs to practice. it should come naturally since everything they talked about last night was about his job as the prez of this country. he has limited knowledge of his economic plans, if any.
everything he said was challenged by romney and he just stood there like a student just got caught cheating on his test. it was very uncomfortable watching him as our prez of this country when i know the whole world was watching.
shameful.
The "Ex-President", the "Ex-President. . ." Hmmm. . . Oh! You mean Bush!
That's the one! The war criminal.
Perhaps BURNT toast ?
Obamas mom on welfare?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRY2HRV9gs
Now that's funny coming from the party who's President set the record for days on vacation.
So far Romney one Obama zero. Obama said he likes the word "Obama care" used. He just likes the sound of his name as he re writes history injecting himself into everything. Pretty soon he will have helped deliver the Gettysburg address and killed Big Bird !
President Obama certainly could have performed better last night. He still has my support because his ideas and support make sense. We are moving in the right direction.
Hey , Im a middle class Dad with 4 lololol I support President Obama also!! Forward is the only way to go. They can trickle this lololololololol
A vote for Willard means you are a Mitt-wit.
A vote for Obama means your a FOOL.
What ideas? Training and education? Training and education for what? Jobs that don't exist?
Well then I am a Mitt-wit.
poopyon- apparently you need to do a little brushing up. There are thousands of jobs right now that can't be filled because qualified workers aren't there. Now see - you learned something today!
jimmy in philly - it surprises you that even though MItt has 25 years in business he had no idea about facts? It doesn't most of us who work and have listened to this idiot - Mitt!
Obama/Biden 2012
Lie down, take an aspirin, have a bowel movement and then your eyesight will clear up !
Maybe your ability to think will improve also?
Josh - but clearly there is nothing you can do to find class - you clearly have none. What are you - 10 years old?
Obama/Biden 2012
Romney Doesn’t Understand Why You Can’t Roll Down Windows On A Plane
By Annie-Rose Strasser on Sep 24, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Fire fighters board Ann Romney's plane
On Monday, Mitt Romney offered a remedy to the problem that caused his wife’s airplane to land prematurely last week: Allow passengers to roll down the airplane windows.
dal - I hear they're making a special plane for Mitt that has the roll down windows.
Let's hope he tries them out soon! What a moron!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
@SeekingSanity#10.10: Josh is speaking from personal experience. Helped Him some, but didn't keep Him from going blind. Regards
Oh I guess we should just call it a year and claim Mittens prez! Round one, folks. More to come.
Sounds good to me...President Romney and ex president obummer. Yep, sounds real good.
it was a different story though when all the "rigged" Polls claimed B.O. was a clear winner Huh?
Mitt Romney's Bain Capital Bailout: GOP Candidate's Firm Profited From Company That Required $44 Million Federal Bailout
First Posted: 01/06/2012 9:20 am Updated: 01/06/2012 9:31 am
dal, you know we're all on the internet right now, just a click away from a Google search. Here is the fact check by ABC News on the false claim made by Biden that you have just repeated. You are a true Obamaite not letting the facts get in your way!
By Arlette Saenz
@ArletteSaenz
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Sep 4, 2012 8:03pm
Vice President Joe Biden recently made the claim that Mitt Romney received a “federal bailout” for Bain & Company, costing “the government and American taxpayers $10 million,” but as the Washington Post reported, Biden’s assertion that the deal cost taxpayers millions of dollars is false since the money came from an institution that does not utilize taxpayer funding.
Wrong. The issue is the pension fund at Georgetown Steel. Robme cleaned $44 million out of their pension fund knowing full well that is was federally insured. That means that your tax money went into Robme's Swiss Bank account.
Or did it go into his $100 Million IRA? Hey! How does one jam $100,000,000 into an IRA that is capped at $6,000 a year?
That debate made me think twice about Mitt Romney again so I went and voted early for President Obama.
Romney hasn't taken over health care yet. People can still afford glasses. Start typing in a normal font!
But then no one would read his posts...
Hey pissed off,thats what I would do. Then after the next two debates you will be pissed on.
*** Romney admits he’s been audited by the IRS: Romney made some other -- call it accidental -- news yesterday in his interview with ABC. He mentioned he had been audited by the IRS. In response to question about his tax returns, the GOP candidate said, “[M]y view is I’ve paid all the taxes required by law. From time to time I’ve been audited, as happens I think to other citizens as well… I don’t pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president.”
dal: Good quote there. You see, by his own words he disqualifies himself for the job of President. Why? He doctored his tax returns to show he paid 13.9% instead of the 9% he would have paid id he took all deductions.
As soon as he got his teleprompter back, he was fine.
Energized. LOL No, he feels safe cowering behind his teleprompter now.
Teleprompters? Is that all you lamebrains have? Get real!!!
A teleprompter is ALL that the moohlatto has. So take an aspirin, have nap, maybe a bowel movement and then your eye sight will improve?
Romney: ‘I’m Running For Office for Pete’s Sake, I Can’t Have Illegals’
By Eric Scheiner
October 19, 2011
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(CNSNews.com)- During last night’s Republican presidential debate in Las Vegas, Nev., former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney admitted that a lawn company he had used hired illegal immigrants and that when he found out he told the company it could not have illegal aliens working on his property because he was running for office.
Doximom: Yeah, whenever the GOP can't come up with anything else, they bring out the ol "teleprompter" line. Apparently they don't realize that every president since Eisenhower used a teleprompter! But, let them have their little chuckle....we all know it shows their lack of intelligence. If you're going to criticize our president, have the intelligence to come up with something new!!!
are you denying that obama didn't miss his buddy, the totus???
didi,
You speak of conservatives not being intelligent? Werent you the one who just posted earlier how Obama was purposely lost the debate to scope out the situation? Really? He just let Romney absolutely demolish him in the debate to see what he was going to say?!?! I shake my head at you. You might just possibly be the most incompetent person I have ever had the displeasure of having to hear from. I dont understand it. 6 million little swimmers and you were the fastest? I believe the best part of you landed on the lamp shade of a rundown motel 6 hotel room. Please refrain from ever publically speaking, writing, communicating again. You are an absolute disgust to this once great nation.
p.s. please use a condom until your lady parts shrivel up so there will never be a possibility of another one of you.
Corky: You are obviously from the shallow end of the gene pool.
There was nothing presidential about our president bumbling and stumbling through his failures last night. Now after he gets his handlers and teleprompter back he is ENERGIZED? He is a puppet.
1. It's a tax! There wasn't much for Republicans to love in the Supreme Court's ruling that Obamacare is constitutional, except that they concluded the individual mandate is, for constitutional purposes (but not for others), a tax. The soundbites write themselves. Republicans can now brand Obama as raising taxes on the middle class, or, if they're feeling particularly blustery, "the biggest tax increase in the history of the world." But ABC News' Michael Falcone pulls up video from a January 2008 Republican presidential primary debate in which Romney seems to think such a tax is pretty great. When the debate moderator asks, "Governor … you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?" Romney defends the mandate by framing it terms of personal responsibility. "Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way," he said. "Don’t be free-riders."
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2. It's "ultimate conservatism." In 2007, Romney said that when the uninsured show up in emergency rooms and get free health care, that's a "form of socialism." By contrast, his health care law was conservative and inspired by the Heritage Foundation, something that is true and that the Heritage Foundation would probably like people to forget.
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Romney said a version of this multiple times. In January 2008, he told Fox News Sunday, "I think it's the ultimate conservative plan." Last year, Romney also said his law was based on "fundamentally a conservative principle."
3. It's a good national model. Romney boasted that Congress and the President could learn a lot about health care reform from his Massachusetts plan during an interview with CNN in 2009, "I think there are a number of features in the Massachusetts plan that could inform Washington on ways to improve health care for all Americans," he said "The fact that we were able to get people insured without a government option is a model I think they can learn from." Start at 1:05 and note the lack of concern about constitutional issues.
4. It's humane. When Romney left office in 2007, his staff erased his office's emails from a server computer in an attempt to wipe them from the public record. But earlier this month, The Wall Street Journal found a few survivors, including Romney's own early drafts of his April 2006 Journal op-ed about the passage of Romneycare. Romney used language that would surely irritate many conservatives, and it was toned down when eventually published. Nevertheless, Romney's original thoughts are preserved forever:
empty suit as proven last night by the empty dais......
While watching last nights debate the Presidentsaid several things in his rebuttal of Mitt Romeny that were absolutely false. Nobody believes hijm anymore because our economy is in the toilet and today he isaying Romney lied last night. Mr President , what about the lies you told last night. They don't count because you are in office? Not. We don't need 4 more years of your BS.
At least he didn't need to write notes on the palm of his hand like Sister Sara...
Who ? Do you always live in the past? How is your mom's basement this time of year? Damp ?
no, he just stared at his hands and at the moderator asking him with his to save his a.....
Of course he can now he doesn't have to be next to someone much smarter and doesn't have to answer tough questions, he can say what he wants and the mainstream media will let him slide.
Romney Invested in Medical-Waste Firm That Disposed of Aborted Fetuses, Government Documents Show
And these documents challenge Romney's claim that he left Bain Capital in early 1999.
Romney totally flipped on his base last night. Government mandated healthcare is bad at the Federal level, but okie dokie at the state level. No tax cuts either!!!
Pander Bear strikes again!
Clearly this is the first time you listened to Mitt. Get your information directly instead of from Obama or the press next time
And Romney wants to KILL BIG BIRD !!!!
Plus that half baked argument about the 10th amendment. Seriously, using Mr. Etch-A-Sketch's logic Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional. But, hey, it sounded good at the moment. Besides I can just erase it again tomorrow and start over.
As a healthcare manager...please...please..please give me the voucher program. I'll take all that money and then some from you seniors. The argument that somehow us healthcare folks are just going to stop taking Medicare patients is just pure fallacy. Anyone who knows anything about healthcare finance knows we're not going to turn our noses up at the government trough. We know the commercial population is declining and the Medicare population is increasing dramatically each quarter. Our market is changing and we go where the customers are. Kinda the first day of Healthcare Finance 101.
Wonder what the governors think about being handed Medicare and everything else mittens wants to hand over to the individual states to take care of. States are having hard enough time balancing budgets and he wants to give them more to do. Yep that works...then when the states raise their taxes to pay for everything mittens can say "it wasn't me that did that"....Those beady eyes and that smirk...so creepy
Beth, the heath care worked in Gov. Romneys state so well that the current admin hijacked the model and are running on it. And his education plan made MA. #1 in the nation. He's the only hope America has to get back on track!! His enthusiasm is awesome. I see now why the 87% dems backed him in Mass!!
Romney/Ryan2012 Two proven successful leaders with a plan to save America!!
Teleprompters? That's all you lamebrains have? Please.
Richie Rich wants to saddle the states with all the programs he knows they can't afford. Then states' taxes go up and Richie's mitts are clean. Right.
He STILL hasn't explained why the math in his plans doesn't work.
The only people Richie Rich and Eddie Munster are interested in at all are the rich. Richie was pretending so much concern for the middle class, the poor and the elderly. What a PHONY!!! Isn't he aware that we all know about his 47%?
Someone should tell him to quit smirking. His smirk is reason alone not to vote for him.
Romney got his vetoes overridden over 700 times when he was governor.
Give credit where credit is due. The Democrats controlled the government in Massachusetts.
miklkit - and isn't it funny how, since Mitt was SO GREAT in Mass, he can't even casrry the state? And, he didn't run for a 2nd term because he knew he would lose because he was so hated? Yeah, I'd run on THOSE credentials!
Obama/Biden 2012
See what Romney means to America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRY2HRV9gs
Doximom: It was all I could do to keep myself from reaching into my TV (which, unfortunately, isn't possible) and ripping that simpering smirk off his face. Even if I LIKED Romney (which I don't), that smirk alone would turn me off!!
Why are you shouting?
He is not shouting, he is impotent,
That must be it bcwc!
BCWC,
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing!
His comments have "little man" syndrome all over them!
Think Horshack: "Oooh! Oooh oooh! Mr. Kotter! Mr. Kotter!"
Best explanation of all! Thanks flbikerchick!
You really need to get over your delusions.
GOP is responsible for 8 thousand American deaths between IRAQ and AFG wars and 3k people on 911. I am sure Obama losing a couple pales to compare, when Obama had to clean up the GOP mess and get Osama bin laden.
Another poigniant post from fisty. I am still waiting for something other than OBAMA GOOD. I used to think she was paid by media matters, but there is no way she could be paid for such tripe. Please fisty facts.
Gosh, Jimmy is such a Mitt-Wit.
See what Romney means to America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRY2HRV9gs
Oh GOOD GOD! Do you really think that shouting at everyone will make them actually PAY ATTENTION to your POINTLESS drivel? How many times are you going to post the same B.S.? BTW welcome back Feisty! Your posts CRACK ME UP GIRL!
Nice job last night Rich dude, Bush n Rove taught you well! Where as i am not fond of Nobama, I must say he looked like something was distracting him and could not find a footing. Anyway, doubt this will help that Moron (oops, i mean Mormon) Romney in his attempt to destroy what is left of the working class in this country as nothing he said last night could persuade me. Pretty much said the opposite of what he has been saying on the campaign trail. Can't vote for a Moron that doesn't know what side of the isle he belongs on.
Dear btorched...........
The only thing destroying the working class in this country is Obama spending us into oblivion and squashing things that DO create jobs like the pipeline and oil drilling on federal lands.
And for seniors such as myself, he has adversely affected Medicare. In January 2013, my Medicare Advantage Plan monthly premium will increase 35%. So much for the so-called "Fact Checkers" that say the 700 odd billion dollars taken from Medicare Advantage plans won't affect us now!
If you want to remain delusionally pro-Obama, I suggest you don't watch any more of the debates. Barack is lost without a teleprompter and someone on the other end who can quickly type in answers to questions he's at a loss for. And especially don't watch the debate dealing with foreign policy. It won't be a pretty sight for any democrat to watch.
Unless your a teacher, police officer, or firefighter, you won't have a job under Obama. Your job will be going to school for more training for....nothing. There won't be any jobs. Not everyone can grow up to be a rich community organizer.
BTORCHED - Obama was distracted because for the first time in the last 3+ years he had to answer questions without having the answers written out for him and without paid campaign volunteers as an audience. Romney answered his questions based on what he knew last night. Obama knew nothing last night but his crackerjack speech writing team had a response written up for him in a mere 14 hours.
you know, it was a republican president that set up the national parks system. There was a time that the republican platform believed that the land this nation had was worth protecting to maintain its beauty and the natural ecosystems livelyhood.
Now, we can make a buck for a few years by strip mining and fraking so to hell with protecting the land for future generations. Whine and complain about the debt that is getting left to our grandchildren, but who cares about the environment that they have to grow up in when big oil can make a buck now.
Poor Beangrinder!
Mine has remained the same. You must be doing something wrong.
Of course, you probably prefer Ryan's plan. He'll give you a voucher, and then you'll see your medical payments spike 100%. But, hey, what the heck. He's a Republican, so he must be one of the good guys. Right?
Logic does not rule in your house.
Hey, those for profit health insurance companies have to make their profits somewhere. Better from you than me.
1. It's a tax! There wasn't much for Republicans to love in the Supreme Court's ruling that Obamacare is constitutional, except that they concluded the individual mandate is, for constitutional purposes (but not for others), a tax. The soundbites write themselves. Republicans can now brand Obama as raising taxes on the middle class, or, if they're feeling particularly blustery, "the biggest tax increase in the history of the world." But ABC News' Michael Falcone pulls up video from a January 2008 Republican presidential primary debate in which Romney seems to think such a tax is pretty great. When the debate moderator asks, "Governor … you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?" Romney defends the mandate by framing it terms of personal responsibility. "Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way," he said. "Don’t be free-riders."
RELATED: Spin Guide: Romney Pledges to Repeal, Obama Says Families Should Celebrate
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2. It's "ultimate conservatism." In 2007, Romney said that when the uninsured show up in emergency rooms and get free health care, that's a "form of socialism." By contrast, his health care law was conservative and inspired by the Heritage Foundation, something that is true and that the Heritage Foundation would probably like people to forget.
RELATED: Romney Was Once Proud to Be a Washington Insider
RELATED: The New Romneycare Is Very Different from the Old Romneycare
Romney said a version of this multiple times. In January 2008, he told Fox News Sunday, "I think it's the ultimate conservative plan." Last year, Romney also said his law was based on "fundamentally a conservative principle."
3. It's a good national model. Romney boasted that Congress and the President could learn a lot about health care reform from his Massachusetts plan during an interview with CNN in 2009, "I think there are a number of features in the Massachusetts plan that could inform Washington on ways to improve health care for all Americans," he said "The fact that we were able to get people insured without a government option is a model I think they can learn from." Start at 1:05 and note the lack of concern about constitutional issues.
4. It's humane. When Romney left office in 2007, his staff erased his office's emails from a server computer in an attempt to wipe them from the public record. But earlier this month, The Wall Street Journal found a few survivors, including Romney's own early drafts of his April 2006 Journal op-ed about the passage of Romneycare. Romney used language that would surely irritate many conservatives, and it was toned down when eventually published. Nevertheless, Romney's original thoughts are preserved forever:
Obama didn't know he was debating a repubocrat. I thought I seen a big rope behind the podium where Obama was standing. Do you suppose Barry is going to let Willard hang himself?
Let's see, when the democrats were trying to pas obamacare they claimed it was not a tax but a penalty. When they were challenged on the legal aspect of mandating someone to buy something they had their lawyers claim it was a tax, now that they won that round they are back to calling it a penalty and not a tax talk about talking from both sides.
The working class has already been destroyed by this failure of an administration. America does not need 4 more years of this misery. Vote them all out in November. Most military I've talked to are voting straight Republican because of how the President is cutting their benefits. What a shame, cutting benefits for those who defend our way of life.
This is Obama's redo. He read a script from a telepromter. Maybe next debate Obama can use his writer and his telepromter. Maybe Obama should make a comment about Libya and the truth with what hapened. Maybe Obama should make a comment about Turkey and Syria and the mess he created with muslim brotherhood. Obama can even use his writer and his telepromter for those also.
Get over the teleprompter business. If that's the best you can do at slamming the President, quit.
Maybe Richie Rich could make a comment about his 47%. Maybe he can explain why he saw fit to use the deaths of 4 Americans to score political points. Maybe he can explain why the numbers in his plans don't add up. Maybe he can explain why he flipped and flopped yet again last night. Now, all of a sudden he is so interested in the welfare of the poor, the middle class and seniors when he wrote them off and showed contempt for them with his 47%? Yeah, sure. Maybe he can explain why he is no longer such a "severe" conservative. Maybe he can explain what is in those tax returns he's afraid to show us. Maybe he can explain why he has such a need to smirk. Seems to me Richie has a LOT of explaining to do.
Romney Doesn’t Understand Why You Can’t Roll Down Windows On A Plane
By Annie-Rose Strasser on Sep 24, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Fire fighters board Ann Romney's plane
On Monday, Mitt Romney offered a remedy to the problem that caused his wife’s airplane to land prematurely last week: Allow passengers to roll down the airplane windows.
I'm voting for President Obama. Debate or no debate, Romney has already shown us who he really is before the debates anyway. Whatever comes out his mouth are lies and flip flops and he did the same old thing during the debate. Romney has no integrity and facts don't matter to him.
Obama has a plan for the next debate: he is going to send an empty chair. The chair may do better.
I wrote down some of the key things the President said during the debate and found out not 1 thing he said was true. Typical politician. America deserves better. Vote them all out in November.
I don't know why any candidate believes it is the state's right to do anything. That was settled in 1865. If I cannot leave the bargaining table and you can tell me what to do but I can't tell you then I have responsiblities but not rights.
Then you need to study history and the Constitution again.
You can leave the bargaining table and go elsewhere if the terms don't fit your fancy.
Or, you could start your own business and see what it's like to deal with employees.
Steve: Ron was referring to the civil war where it was decided that a state may not, on its own, decide to leave the Union. The Supremacy of the federal government over state government was also decided at that time.
Try performing a bowel movement ? It may alter the way you see things and your headache may go away!
Romney: ‘I’m Running For Office for Pete’s Sake, I Can’t Have Illegals’
By Eric Scheiner
October 19, 2011
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(CNSNews.com)- During last night’s Republican presidential debate in Las Vegas, Nev., former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney admitted that a lawn company he had used hired illegal immigrants and that when he found out he told the company it could not have illegal aliens working on his property because he was running for office.
Having illegals shouldn't matter in this election. obama kept his illegal aunt hidden until he went into politics. Suddenly she was found. Was gonna be deported, but wait, she's disabled. Can't be deported and as a reward the government (taxpayers) will support her the rest of her life. Bet she didn't need a lawyer to get it either. Check it out. Just put "obama's aunt" in a search engine and watch the T.V. interview where she says that's what the U.S. is here for. So don't even try to bring that crap up about Romney.
Dal is a Democrat paid for troll clint. If you look at his post he actually leaves no links his news is fakes out junk.
Real easy to be energetic when you stand in front of your supporters. PURE BRAGADOCIA. When it came time to man up; the man wasn't there. Then all the excuses came in. The , Obama, is sincerely not up to the challenge. Wake up calls are hard. Mr. Obama got his last night. I got mine last night. That debate was the clincher for me. I'll be voting Romney/Ryan. In fact, I just sent in my absentee ballot.
It's 'braggadocio'. Don't use words you cannot spell or are too lazy to look up. THAT should limit your posts.
*** Romney admits he’s been audited by the IRS: Romney made some other -- call it accidental -- news yesterday in his interview with ABC. He mentioned he had been audited by the IRS. In response to question about his tax returns, the GOP candidate said, “[M]y view is I’ve paid all the taxes required by law. From time to time I’ve been audited, as happens I think to other citizens as well… I don’t pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president.”
Romney mentioned that he would cut funding for PBS. Funny, PBS did a documentary piece last week on ALEC. This organization is run by large corporations and mostly Republican politicians. In this documentary they show where ALEC is trying to move government from Federal Control to the states, which Romney said he wanted to give the states more control. However their plan is to get their issue passed on a state level and then they can then contol the American People. The issues that ALEC are currently involved in are Voter ID, Collective Bargaining rights, Union Reform and the Tort reform. That is the one that limits companies liability if they do harm to the American public. Some of the large corporations that are funding ALEC are Wal-Mart, Walgren, All the major Oil companies. Johnson and Johnson and several others. Coca Cola pulled out when they saw what ALEC was trying to do with Voter Id laws.
Romney want to cut funding to PBS, Planned Parenthood and Obama Care. They have already accomplished one of their biggest things of their agenda and that was to privatize the Military. Just think Haliburton runs the Military and they are one of the TOP corporate financers of ALEC.
Scary isn't it. If you look on the internet you can find ALEC, check it out.
Laura
Laura,
"Collective Bargaining rights, Union Reform and the Tort reform."
That's right because Republicans know that organized labor has traditionally been a big supporter of the Democratic Party so they figure that if they can destroy organized labor, they can undermine the effectiveness of the Democratic Party. They are a clever bunch, those Republicans, aren't they? I watch the PBS News Hour every night, but, unfortunately, I did not see the documentary about ALEC you are talking about. I'll have to check the PBS web site for it. Thanks.
Robme wants to fire Big Bird to pay for his $5 Trillion tax cut. Big Bird isn't that big.
miklkit - The President and Governor Romney spent 90 minutes discussing the very important issues facing our nation and firing Big Bird is what you took away from it? That's what you thought was important? Really? The fact that, because of all the little things like PBS in the Federal budget, the government is spending over $1 trillion dollars more per year than it takes in, doesn't seem like a problem to you? Seriously?
I said it here several days ago and got berated by the little libbies for it.
My prediction: "Romney will bitchslap ObaMao up one side and down the other."
ObaMao can not operate in the world of truth and facts. He does not possess the capacity.
It's great that Americans got a little taste of what a dunce ObaMao truly is. :)
Mitt Romney's Bain Capital Bailout: GOP Candidate's Firm Profited From Company That Required $44 Million Federal Bailout
First Posted: 01/06/2012 9:20 am Updated: 01/06/2012 9:31 am
Red Cloud: I agree....in my opinion, I think President Obama was just biding his time, listening to Romney speak, and watching him lie......it was gaining him ammo for the next debate. Now he knows what Romney will say, how he'll act, etc., and he'll be prepared to the max. He wanted to give Romney a false sense of security....if Romney thinks he's got the upper hand in future debates, he's going to screw up!!! I can guarantee that....anyone else want to take bets?
Didi-376564, are you really serious??? This is our President and you think he isn't taking this serious enough? That this is a game to him? That he would put himself out there to look like a fool, act like a fool, and show all Americans that he doesn't know his job. He looked like the student in the classroom taking notes, making faces as the professor talked and explained how Economics 101 works. There wasn't anything that Obama rebuttal Romney on. Why, because Obama has no winning record.
I just don't understand why Americans are so bent on voting for either party when there are 39 other political parties in the USA. If you look at the US over the last 40 years the Republicans and Democrates are the one's that have put the American working and poor in this situation. Americans have made the election process a party and popularity contest instead of looking at all the canidates and see who will do the best job. So far both parties get an F- for helping America. If my mother was still alive I'd vote for her cause she never once bounced a check and we didn't have computers, accounting software or internet to track your balance in the 50's when I was growing up to keep of everything.
America needs working class citizens on Capital Hill that will do what's right for everyone and not just the rich. Some suggestion would be:
There are many more just think about what is driving the debt up.
WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TO LATE
Didi
let me know how that works for you, and when it come to the last debate...Uhh ohh he's just getting warmed up... uh he's gaining ammo Ok he's going to to do it this time.. and slap like a school by Romney
Don't get too cocky there. Romnuts still has two more debates to go and he's on a sugar-high right now. Back in 2002, when Romney was running for Governor of Massachusetts, his Democratic opponent won the first debate hands down - doing to him what he did to Obama last night, but as the campaign progressed, his Democratic opponent faded, and he excelled - pulling what they call a "debate rope-a-dope." So, get back with us after the next debate - a town hall format - and we'll see just how well Romney does when having to confront face-to-face some of the great, unwashed 47% he now claims he was "just completely wrong," about. Of course, it only took him 17 days to say that after first saying he spoke the truth - but rather "in elegantly." Now, it's suddenly all wrong. OOOOk - how many times is etch-a-sketch, spineless jello-man going to change his position?
Is it just me or does it look like that red-haired patron with the giant incisors in the picture above is going to take a bite out of Obama's neck? I guess she's not the only one who smelled blood.
She is the typical Obama supporter. Looking for her check.
He is the typical Romney supporter looking for his next war.
Alan: Typical Romney supporter, looking to enrich greedy millionaires and billionaires further and looking down on everyone else except the rich. Thinking you're better than everyone when you're not better than anyone. Elitist snob!
Typical NBC making sure Barry doesn't fall, what a lackluster person fired up because he got his clocked cleaned, now the network will work on damage control like they have been doing for 4 years! Your boy got his ass wipped!
Romney Invested in Medical-Waste Firm That Disposed of Aborted Fetuses, Government Documents Show
And these documents challenge Romney's claim that he left Bain Capital in early 1999.
Dal, He supported Planned Parent in his legislature in Massachusettes. I used to admire him for having the decency to vote against his religious beliefs and this isn't the only case, there were some liquor laws as well.
He also personally gave $150 to Planned Parenthood. Now I just think he's a huge flip flopper and liar. I THOUGHT I could predict his actions, but I just don't think that's possible.
I know Obama's record and could we POSSIBLY RUSH LIMBAUGHS OF AMERICA make ANY MORE OF A BIG DEAL about Solandyl which is such a non-issue. Obama has in fact pissed off big donators to his party by not inviting them to the White House and not returning phone calls. I feel he's not a bought and paid for politician.
As far as his demeanor, he's a patient man and I think I can understand his frustration having to stand next to a silly, blantant flip-flopping liar pandering for votes. Obama's never been known to be a great speaker/debator. He probably assumed Americans were intelligent enough to see through the bologna. I think he assumed wrong.
So Mrs.c... Obama has never been known to be a great speaker/debator..And he's never been know to be a great/even good/TERRIBLE Presidnt..so what exactally is he good at??..Flashing his big toothed smile and telling anyone,ANYTHING to get their vote?..A POLITICIAN in other words
You are right for sure
I wrote down just 3 things the President said as a rebuttal to Mitt Romney last night and all 3 things the President said unfortunately were Not true.
It appears that Romney lied on his 2011 taxes too.
This morning, MoveOn.org submitted the 7-page legal analysis and a letter calling for an investigation to the U.S. Department of Justice. The analysis contends that there is good reason to believe GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney may be criminally liable for false statements he made in 2011 in his federal financial disclosure filing (form SF-278)—in apparent violation of the federal False Statements Act (18 U.S.C. §1001).
Romney claimed in his disclosure filing that he departed from “any” active role in Bain Capital in 1999, which would be politically convenient because it was before Bain Capital was most heavily involved in outsourcing jobs. However, the legal analysis released today, which includes a review of state law in Delaware, where Bain Capital was incorporated, concludes that existing evidence is “clearly inconsistent with [Romney’s] flat disavowal of ‘any’ involvement in the ‘operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way’” after 1999.
“Candidates for office—especially an office as important as the presidency—need tell the truth, even when it isn’t pretty,” said Justin Ruben, Executive Director of MoveOn.org Political Action. “When it comes to disclosing their finances, that’s not just a moral obligation, it’s a legal one. We asked one of the country’s most prominent election law attorneys to look into Romney’s disclosures, and his conclusions are startling. Romney’s failure to level with voters may well be criminal. It is time for the Justice Department to investigate.”
The letter calling for an investigation and the legal analysis were sent to the DOJ’s Chief of Public Integrity this morning, and MoveOn members are making phone calls to the DOJ today to urge that it begin an investigation.
Melanie Sloan, Executive Director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), reviewed the legal analysis and seconded MoveOn’s call for an investigation. “CREW strongly supports a Department of Justice i