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I'm guessing the problem for the President last night was that he had planned on debating some candidate other than the one that showed up last night. It appears Governor Christie was correct...it is a whole new campaign as of this morning.
Shake the Etch-a-Sketch enough and suddenly the Conservative Mitt Romney that we've seen all year long became Massachusetts Moderate Mitt last night.
Question: Will the Conservative "True Believers" approve?
Da Noid...is in Da-niel about Obama's horrid performance.
Clearly Romney worked hard preparing himself for this debate, while Obama did not.
In the end of this 2012 race, the American people will win with President Obama.
4 more for 44
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Some snap polls from last night (via Political Wire): “A CBS News poll found Romney won, 46% to 22%, while a CNN poll found a similar verdict for Romney, 67% to 25%.”
similar? one is 2-1 win, other is 3-1 win (approximately)
Da Noid........
You are exactly correct. Now we know what "etch-a-sketch" actually means.
Mitt Romney will be, do, and say anything necessary to get what he wants. Last night, he was a slippery slimy eel. President Obama's mistake was that he assumed Romney has a modicum of integrity. We are all now relieved of that illusion.
We are fighting a ruthlessly sly and deceitful opponent whose only principle is winning. Our gloves must come off immediately.
well mitt was on game an obama not.
mitts offense was agressive but full of it, untruths, that is, and the prez missed a great opportunity.
but one good performance does not erase the truth and the truth is that 47% of the citizens are in deep crap if mitt is elected.
Over a month ago I predicted that Chuck Todd would be saying that Romney won the debate, as per expectations. What I didn't predict was that I would agree.
Obama was definitely not his best last night. But for people who have honestly been following the campaigns, Mitt just lied and lied and lied. Now his people on this post are eating that up - knowing he is a totally dishonest man. What does that say about the people who support him so strongly?
Obama will come back in the 2nd debate and will win in November.
Obama/Biden 2012
I watched the debate, no doubt Romney came out of it ahead of where he was before he went in.
Now the questions I have: If Romney is NOT going to give tax cuts to the wealthy, why does he want to change the tax code ?
If we are going to keep everything that is in Obamacare (the President has embraced the name) why bother repealing it ?
If we are going to keep all of the regulations we need in Dodd-Frank, why repeal it ?
Wouldn't we just be better off by making adjustments to the laws than going through the wasteful exercise of repealing them ?
Bottom line I got out of the debate is now Romney likes everything in Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and no tax cuts, except he wants to repeal Obamacare, Dodd-Frank and cut taxes... right ?
no. He only approves of the things in those laws that poll well. He's just agreeing on things that are no brainers in order to make the electorate think he is on their side. Then, once in office, it is right back to the extreme right wing policies that got him the nomination because it is time to pay back all those big donors...
Anyone can have an "off" night - JUST NOT LAST NIGHT!!! I am stunned by the lack-luster performance of our President, and I am praying he can bring his "A" game to debate no. 2- we simply cannot afford a second night like this one. Mr. Romney is a "lyin wonder" with a "Lyin Ryan" running mate and they walk away the winners?? I am just heart sick over this. Everyone take note, we REALLY need to rally our support and get over this devastating event. The survival of our middle-class and the 47% is at stake!!! ...Still in your corner, Mr. President.
Jo Anne,
I thought Obama started off wobbly, while Romney was confident, but by the end of the debate, their positions seemed reversed. At the end, Romney was a motor-mouth, he seemed off his rocker, over-excited and just not persuasive.
I was listening carefully to the facts presented during the debate (isn't that what we were supposed to be doing?) and Obama was much more persuasvie, to me. As to style: I loved it when the President looked directly into the camera, and addressed the American people.
I just don't agree with these folks who say Romney "won." I can only think it's a difference between men and women, perhaps? I have no confidence in Romney, but maybe men like his jerkiness, I dunno. (My male co-worker doesn't like Romney either, however, but he is a computer software programmer, so maybe his judgment is different from less educated men.)
he didnt win he was just the agressor and obama was some where else.
one thing for sure, the mitt will come into the next debate loaded for bear.
i certainly hope the vp debate is as lively and subsitive!
go get'em joe!
4 more 4/44
I couldn't stop watching Romney blinking his eyes -- he did it about once per second, and I'm not exaggerating. Did anybody else notice? Any psychologists out there that can shed some light on this behavior?
Maybe it was just the robot program continually updating....
I just hope that Joe Biden shows up at the right address for the debate.
Jo Ann and Amy.... don't be so despondent over your affirmative action President being such a failure. After all, he couldn't read his prepared answers to questions he supposedly didn't know over his teledummy screen like he does normally. He'll get his chance to look like the moron he was last night in the next debate. After all he is what he is.... a dummy.
bj 1
"4 /44"
What are those numbers? Biden and Obama's I.Q.'s respectively??
CO in FL ... I couldn't help myself ... had to respond to your post about the blinking eyes ..
http://www.contactomagazine.com/articles/liarsigns0808.htm
I'm not goint to say I've studied it by any means ... they've been talking about it on the radio station I listen to all morning and I just thought it funny.
Obama/Biden 2012
Yes, conservatives thought Romney made an articulate defense of conservative principles....calling out the President for his "trickle down' failed Big Government ideas...
Romney scored points stating how the private sector is more efficient than the public sector...and the RomneyCare explanation made sesne, also, stating the difference between a state by state approach, and a top down federal government takeover.
The comment about "instead of getting America back to work, Obama passed healthcare(obamcare) was right on point!!
It's time to turn the page on this failed presidency...
The middle class and your children/grandchildren can't afford 4 more!!
16 TRILLION and counting... tick tick tick
Conservative principles are a big joke and lie.
at least Conservatives have principles
Really? What great Conservative principles were discussed by Mr. Romney last night?
The same performance given during the debates back in December and January and Romney would have had guys like Santorum, Gingrich and Perry jumping down his throat about being too liberal.
That working is moral and sitting on your butt collecting a gubment check is amoral... or that success is good and that looting via taxes is bad... or that not spending more than you take in is moral and borrowing to continue to squander is reprehensible... or that following the Constitution is lawful, and avoiding it by executive fiat, or by executive order, or by dept regulation is an impeachable offense...
10-04-12
According to Nate, “Polls Show a Strong Debate for Romney”
The newest research from Nate has it as the NOV 6 factors:
“Obama chance of winning 86.1% Romney 13.9%”
“Projected Winner Obama 319.3”
“Projected Loser Romney 218.7”
Popular Vote:
Obama 51.5% Romney 47.4%
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However, if the election was being voted in “Now Cast” Today:
Totals
“Obama chance of winning 96.9% Romney 3.1%”
“Projected Winner Obama 330.9”
“Projected Loser Romney 207.1”
Popular Vote:
every time i get upset at the presidents strategy, i'm proven wrong. never try to out guest the president!
4 more for 44!
His strategy is to lead from behind, to vote 'present" when ever he can and spend taxpayer money until the paper runs out buying votes from those living or dead. Got it lib??
VP Bob, you are starting to sound like a tea bagger. Now, I know you are better than that.
Somebody better check your meds... you're sounding delerious.... Romney just blew away all the smoke the MSM's been blowing out there butts about Obozo... he looked like he'd brought a knife to a gunfight....
dont know where you get this i guess you listen to what you want too here from the news ect. you have such a closed mined i feel sorry for you that you cant even have a thought for yourself i dont like mitt or oblamo but after what i saw last night potus is not a leader i hope for the sake of the U.S. that potus does not win
If the debate last night were a professional boxing match the ref would have stopped it in the first round. Mitt's fists would have been taking too much of a pounding from Obama's face.
and yet he just couldnt knock him out!
are you kidding, this is rope a dope technique.
do you really think this president, who, other than FDR, has had the toughest job in the country, is going to let this lightweight take him down?
no way, for today mitts lies will surface and his performance will be riddled with holes of lies and deceit!
kr
you sound like you're 'wishin and a praying'.... That's unusual to say the least for you godless liberals....praying to who or what do you pray too? "Hopefully" not to President Hope Dope.... he need your prayers more than you do! LOFLMAO
Thanks for the comment bob-2579213!
Not only are we lazy, shiftless and of no real social value, we're godless as well! Got any more stones you want to throw?
You covered a good part of it... but you forgot "extremely stupid" too.
That about covers it dog.
hey bloob, why dont you stfu and go back to fox
I can't wait for the next debate. Not only will Romney explain how his 5 Trillion dollar tax cut is revenue neutral he'll also deliver a great pitch to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge.
And you know...... After reading some of the posts of FR I am certain there are many who will be willing to buy so long as Mitt smiles as he lies.
Stop the Fight(debate) Please Stop the fight(debate) Mitt Romney's fists can't take it any longer!!! Obama's jaw is breaking Mitt's fists! LOFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. Kr
You're a "dope on a rope" thing.
Joe Biden says he can't wait till the next debate too and he want's to know who the debaters will be. He says he wants to know who the "Masterbater" will be!That Joe's a real sharp one! We keep telling him to look back over his buddies four year record and he will have his answer on that one.
Most civil debate ever!!
I applaud Governor Romney and the President for keeping this in the tone of Brooks and Shields -- civil, and full of policy. I had hoped Obama would have been more on his game, so that Romney wouldn't win so decisively by default, but there's always next time. I was happy to see the families interact positively at the end of the debate. There were some genuine moments between them. These guys both raised the bar on public discourse. Well done.
Civility won this debate.
Romney/Ryan 2012 - A New Hope
Hey libs....Bill Maher said it best....."maybe we should get him a telepromter for the next debate...Obama made several good points tonight, all for Romney" LOL
BTW was Jim 'Liar' the moderator of the debate or Obummer's "lifeline" last night? I thought that was only good on "Who wants to be a Milionaire" ?
Geez I guess President Barak Obama doesn't do so well when he has to explain his four years of failure and doesn't have the normal "softball" questions slowly coming down the middle of the plate ...does he?
A SWING AND A MISS!!! YOU'RE OUTTA THERE BARACK! START PACKING!!
LOL
Where are all the libs today? Is there a fresbee convention somewhere? You all shouldn't be running to your post office boxes to get your welfare checks at the same time; could cause accidents! Maybe you are all looking for Feisty Dip$hithead? After last night's Obama roasting, she's probably lying in a gutter somewhere after tying one on. Can't blame her... after all, her god on earth couldn't be protected by the drive by media last night and he looked like a typical liberal fool.
I am quite disappointed in the President's performance in the debate. He wasn't agressive enough. When Willard flipped again on Social Security and Medicare President Obama should have pulled a Reagan with "there you go again" or something. I hope Obama learned from this debate and doesn't repeat the poor performance next time.
Seriously Bob?? You really want to be a voice for the GOP?? "Masterbater"?? Really?? You're proud of that? Norcal admits he/she is Romney voter, but I have no problem with "These guys both raised the bar on public discourse. Well done. Civility won this debate." Classy.
We all know Romney "won" the debate, and we all know Romney will "lose" the fact-checker test. The man was prepared--style wise--and still slid through on a pack of lies--(Yea! I can balance the budget by giving everyone a tac cut and throw a trillion at Defense--That'll work!!) Zamboni victim Lehrer was no help.
There are still more debates you know. I don't see a repeat of last night. The WH now knows what they're up against.
whine much lib??? LOL
You're appalled with "Masterbater" when hundreds of you Libs call conservatives "Tea Baggers"? Which btw is pretty comical. Tea Bagging is a sex act performed by homosexual males on other homosexual males... last time I checked damned near all of them were squarely in the Obama camp.... But it's very telling when you "open-minded" liberals use activities performed by your own base as insults. Guess you're not too proud of them...
obama has this coward right where he wants him, over confident coward
Just like Custer had all those "indians" right where he wanted? You want to know his last order to his men was Harry??? "dont take any prisoners"!
Ah, the shrill cry of Liberals in denial... squealing that "Romney Lied"... but just like the Squanderer-in-Chief had the opportunity to fix the economy when he controlled the entire Congress and and instead passed Obamacare and a recurring trillion dollar stimulus, the Poser-in-Chief could have rebutted anything Romney said, and didn't... ha ha ha ha ha
Face facts libbies,
Obama is toast. Burnt toast that no one can stomach anymore.
America has had quite enough of this fool. Time for a real leader. Time for Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan for the next EIGHT YEARS.
Time to finally dissolve the worthless Democratic party.
Joeseph E Parent! We agree! Face the facts.
Romney switching position is like watching tennis. The back and forth is amazing. What ever crowd he is in front of at the time is what he becomes. If he is in front a conservative crowd he becomes conservative and changes his beliefs. If he is front of a moderate crowd he becomes moderate and changes his beliefs. WILL THE REAL ROMNEY PLEASE STAND UP, its becoming exhausting keeping up with all the different faces of Romney. Romney position are like a chocolate egg looks good on the outside but when you break it open it is empty.
Mitt Romney is like a cancer that left unchecked , can metastasize into votes and cause trouble for Obama. The more he is allowed to spew crap the more people might agree with him. So we need Obama to operate with laser wit and FACTS at the next debate.
And please mention women's and minority issues. Don't forget the knockout punch.
like Steve Jobs said: Don't be afraid, you can do it!
Keep the faith.
So all last night proved was that Romney is a very good liar; not just a flip-flopper. He could have debated himself from where he actually stands on the issues and what he tried to sell the American people last night. If you hadn't been keeping notes from what Romney has said in the past, of course, you would think that he did a great job last night. But the truth is that Romney tried to sell what he thinks he needs to sell to become the President. But, listen to what he said last night and then see how he acts and what he says behind closed doors around people he actually can relate to. Just because you can lie well doesn't mean you are good. It just means you are a good liar. I'm sure the hyenas such as the Koch brothers, Cheney, Adelson and Grover all salivated last night as they saw their paid-for candidate do a good job of telling the lies he needed to tell. They are so anxious to feast upon the average American and harvest all those profits that Romney has been so successful at in his life-time.
Be smart! Don't believe a wolf in sheep's wool just because he's good at saying what he thinks you want to hear.
Obama/Biden!!!
Huge disappointment in Obama in the debates .... he sounded dazed .... but thats only one debate .... i still trust him more than i would trust mitt .... mitt is just to vague in his report ... his favorite saying is "I HAVE A PLAN" just wish he would share that plan ...
OBAMA 2012
Mitt Romney’s great healthcare plan…LIE.
Who is Jonathan Gruber…???
Jonathan Gruber, economics professor at MIT, was actually the designer of MA’s healthcare plan, not Mitt Romney.
Bigger lie…Actually Senator Kennedy was the muscle behind the MA healthcare plan, not Mitt Romney, and it could not have been achieved without his negotiations and influence.
But wait, it gets better…
… it was a government bailout. It was a result of Mitt Romney’s failed healthcare plan.
It was funded by your federal dollars., and is still being funded by your federal dollars, via subsidiaries.
The only reason MA has the healthcare plan that it does, is because MA’s healthcare was in dire straights, under Mitt Romney’s leadership.
Wait for it…
… it was paid for with 385 million dollars of federal money.
That’s right, your money.
Then they insured absolutely anyone they could find, with Medicare. Why…?
Because the federal dollars would match Medicare. That’s right, your money.
But wait, it gets even better…
Right now, federal Medicaid dollars continue to pay for both children and adults, for up to 300% of the poverty line in MA.
Have you figured it out yet…?
Yes, the entire State of Massachusetts is on FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE…!!!
Just speculating here…I wonder if the entire state of MA knows it falls in that 47% area…?
But this will never work for the rest of the country…
Here’s why…
He wants to provide insurance for the rest of the country another way.
He wants to cap the Medicaid dollars at whatever the state received last year, add 1%, and then let us on our own to fend for ourselves. Or in his own words “manage your poor the way you think best”.
You must understand people…that’s a cut to Medicaid to the tune of more than 600 billion dollars. This differs greatly from the generous deal that MA got.
He opposes giving money for healthcare at the federal level, and also refuses to give it at the state level.
That, on top of Romney’s reportable care act (Romney care) pushes Medicaid cuts to well above 1 trillion dollars.
Why is this important…?
It means that the rest of the states will not have the generous benefits that Massachusetts had.
This means that he will be “pulling up the ladder” so no other state can achieve healthcare the way MA has.
Under Romney’s plan, there is no way to achieve universal healthcare.
Indeed, if Medicare is cut, even the current healthcare plan in Massachusetts will not survive.
The only reason Massachusetts healthcare plan has continued to survive, is from a generous waiver, first from the Bush administration, and yes, wait for it…
…then from the Obama administration, for billions and billions of dollars.
Massachusetts…your own worst enemy…? Yes !
Mitt’s cut to Medicare will put the burden of healthcare solely on the state’s tax-payer dollars.
They can not afford that, and the healthcare plan will wither away.
Furthermore, the Romney care plan, will cut Medicaid by 700 billion dollars.
More facts…By the year 2022 ( only ten years down the road ), Obama care will have 33 million more people under health care coverage.
Romney care will have 18 million fewer Americans with health care coverage.
These are all facts contributed by Jonathan Gruber, the designer of Romney’s MA healthcare plan.
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