CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Returning to the home city of the Democratic National Convention, Vice President Joe Biden said that the two men on the GOP ticket have their wires crossed on whether or not the Obama administration has raised taxes.
"Even Romney had what we Catholics call an epiphany," Biden said of the GOP nominee's recent message slip on taxes. "Romney came out and ... said, 'they have not raised taxes on the middle class.' But apparently Paul Ryan has not gotten the memo!"
As the presidential candidates prepare for Wednesday's debate, Vice President Joe Biden spoke about the "buried" middle class, prompting the Romney campaign to suggest the President's policies are to blame. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
Romney said last week at a campaign stop in Ohio that Obama intends to raise taxes, something the president "did not do in his first four years."
While Obama has not raised tax rates, he has signed legislation -- particularly his health care law -- that Republicans argue would yield major penalties for many middle class families.
Biden argued that the GOP, in contrast, would raise taxes on a middle class that has "been buried over the last four years."
That comment earned a scathing response from Republicans, who called it "a stunning admission" about the White House's economic policies.
"Vice President Biden made a stunning admission today and we couldn’t agree more: the middle class has been ‘buried’ under the last four years of this President’s policies," the Romney campaign wrote in a press release.
Biden, who acknowledged that riders on Air Force Two had "queasy stomachs" after a bumpy ride to North Carolina, kept the crowd of about 1000 waiting for an hour due to the inclement weather upon arrival.
His plane aborted one landing attempt In Charlotte because of storms in the area and was forced to circle the airport for about a half hour before landing without further incident.


Yeah, Joey, and you and Prez Obama have buried, excoriated, insulted, mocked, ridiculed, ignored, screwed over, and lied to the middle class and want to 'finish the job'? I think not.
TEApublicans TOTALLY missed what Vice President Biden was talking about and are trying to turn it THEIR way.
What (the BEST VEEP in the last 20 years) meant is that the people have been buried under the WRECKAGE of the DUBYA/CHENEY and GOP policy inflicted COLLAPSED ECONOMY. American voters CANNOT put the candidate and poster boy of AND for the GREEDY TOP 1% named Mitt (dog-on-the-car-roof) Romney into the White House.
Vote OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 and ANY non GOP candidares down the ballot. POTUS deserves a second term with a LOYAL minority party who will work WITH him and not AGAINST EVERYTHING.
Watch some GOP LOON attack with more LIES, DISTORTIONS, DEFLECTIONS and INSULTS. They do it so well!
Don't you just love Biden's fake indignation over the (Obama campaign lie) that Romney will raise taxes on hurting middle class folks. This without a single shred of self evaluation or remorse over the failed policies of the Obama Administration that have not gotten the economy going.
Of course Romney has not been in charge of the government for the past 3.5 years. Hmmm............
Biden's got my vote for an Oscar nomination for his performance.
He may not be raised taxes, but ObamaCare has done it's job against the people. We are retired. Our Medicare supplement has gone up twice this year. The company my husband worked for has done away with our insurance. They said they were following suit from other companies. This is not a small company, so large companies are doing away with their insurance for their employees, not just small companies. Any one that votes for Obama this time is asking to get their insurance done away with. He is against Christians and for Muslems. I don't see how anyone that is a Christian or profess to be one can vote for him.
You are retired and your husband's company has done away with your insurance but your Medicare supplement has gone up twice? Please make sense of that. As for your pathetic attempt at religous bigotry poor effort foxer. How much are you being paid to lie about what you are, what you do and about national matters?
My mom's suppliment has gone up too. $60 a month since the beginning of the year. And, she can't re-do her insurance until next year.....Obamacare is wonderful...NOT.
To be honest....Mitt has not said...Didley Squat the whole time he has been nominated.......Paul Ryan has said so much more.......if Republican were smart...Ryan should have been their guy. They should have put him out Front with maybe a Condolezza Rice .......Willard is a Tough sale...
Obama/Biden 2012
And, what is Obama's plan? I've listened to his speeches, most of the time he starts out....."I've inherited the worse economy since the great depression." Then he goes into...."I want..." to do this or that....here is an example:
"I want to balance our budget, I want to reduce our deficit, deal with our debt, but I want to do it in a balanced, responsible way."
Where are Obama's details? Ever heard the saying, "Want in one hand......and S#!T in the other and see which one fills up faster?"
FAE...
Mittens has always been open about his plans....standard answer: "I will get back with you on that..."
At least he says he "will" do something......Obama only "wants"....
Mittens and his flying monkies jump on another non-issue to desperately try and cover their lack of plan, morals and substance. Nice try boys and girls but this one, like all the rest of the nonsense you have thrown up against the wall is another giant fail
Springs- For profit Insurance is just that, for profit. Our premiums have been steadily going up for the last 10years, was that Bush's fault?
Many Co's are either dropping Insurance coverage or getting the cheapest they can why, for more profit!
O&JOE
When businesses don’t provide employees with insurance plans and don’t pay a Living Wage, then the rest of us, taxpayers are paying for ANY government support they are receiving.
Tonight's Debate will feature Two men on stage with Dramatically Different views, both named Mitt Romney! And that Folks says it All !
"We'll step on peoples toes and we're sorry ... we'll say we're sorry ...
But I'll never apologize" ~ Mitt Romney March 2012
"The Arizona immigration policy is a good model" – Mitt Romney.
"I didn't really support the Arizona immigration policy" – Mitt Romney.
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“The Massachusetts healthcare plan should be a model for the nation” – Mitt Romney.
“Healthcare reform should be left to the states” – Mitt Romney.
"Let Detroit go bankrupt" -Mitt Romney.
"I'll take a lot of credit for saving the auto industry" -Mitt Romney.
“I believe Roe v Wade has gone too far.” – Mitt Romney.
“Roe v Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.”
– Mitt Romney.
“I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.” – Mitt Romney.
“I never really called myself pro-choice.” – Mitt Romney.
“It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” – Mitt Romney.
“I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and represent our country
there.” – Mitt Romney.
“I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.” – Mitt Romney.
“Ronald Reagan is… my hero.” – Mitt Romney.
“I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.” – Mitt Romney.
"There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.”
– Mitt Romney.
“I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” – Mitt Romney.
“I did not see it with my own eyes.” – Mitt Romney.
“I would like to have campaign spending limits.” – Mitt Romney.
“The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates without
burdensome limitations.” – Mitt Romney.
“I supported the assault weapon ban.” – Mitt Romney.
"I don’t support any gun control legislation.” – Mitt Romney.
“The stimulus that was passed in early 2009 will accelerate the recovery…” – Mitt Romney.
“The stimulus passed in early 2009 has been a failure.” – Mitt Romney.
Good ol' Joe Bite-me just when we think they've got him medicated, and locked in the basement, he pops up and spews half truths. Does anyone not remember the "vine" from yesterday, "households could fave average $3500 tax hike"?
TAXAGEDAN, kids, taxagedan. All of this is happening and Obama gets to say that he hasn't raised taxes on the middle class...........yet. From the Bush tax cuts expiring to HCR, all by design, not to kick in until AFTER Obamas re-election.........
then we find out what "economic patriotism" really means. And if you still have question, Obamas hired thousands of new IRS agents to explain it to you.
I do believe that they need to start teaching civics class in school again. Congress is in charge of the fiscal matters of this country, and always has been. This also includes taxation. So if taxes are raised on anyone in this country, it will be congress that does it, not the president.
But the president sets the agenda and legislation passed by congress can be vetoed by the president. Unless there is a 2/3 majority vote of congress, it won't become law.
So what would Joe say otherwise? Oh, the middle class has THRIVED over the last 4 years - the BANKERS apologized for screwing around with everyone's money and they just flat fixed the mortgage problem. Yup, paid for it out of their own pockets - of course, they would do that instead of filling up their coffers with federal tax dollars, giving themselves a great big bonus, and letting people get foreclosed on right and left for the last four years! And, of course, the middle class THRIVED over the last 4 years, because the day after President Obama's inauguration the Republicans in Congress committed themselve to doing anything and everything to help their country - of course they did that rather than block, obstruct, villify, spew venom over everything that President Obama tried to bring the country back to life and get the economy moving again! And of course, the middle class has THRIVED because corporations also decided that the humanitarian thing to do was to quit squeezing every last drop, ounce, second, iota of work out of their employees and hire more employees to spread the money around and infuse the economy with spending - of course they did that rather than sit on trillions of dollars, stretching their workers as far as they could, and stalling the economy in the secret hope that they would obfuscate President Obama's efforts and get him unelected so that the Republican's would once again de-regulate everything again - just like it was when everything was so rosey back in 2008!
No, Joe was right - the Middle Class has actually been buried over the last 30 years! It just wasn't in view because there was never a crisis quite like 2008 to bring it to the surface! There have been jobs - there could have been more. There have been tax cuts for the Middle Class IN SPITE OF the Republican who supposedly love tax cuts - oh, yeah! That's only when it's for the wealthy! There have been some jobs saved and created with the stimulus and the economy has turned around generally - IN SPITE OF the Republicans blocking every jobs bill and the Job Creators sitting on every dollar they've stowed away!
You are a big libTARD ...Obama had the entire Congress his first 2 years...and it was Barney Frank and the rest of the dems that caused the mortgage issues that brought the big banks down...and why... because the dem controlled Congress forced the banks to give loans to people who had no chance of ever paying their mortgage....crash....Go research your words you simple minded poster...and move to Venezuela why you are at it.
twit ......understand completely........ however,,,,, who was in control of Congress when the HCR "ticking time bomb" was passed.......hhhmmmmm? And the Bush tax cuts are simply set to expire, and if allowed to do so......hence tax hike. Lib in okie...................the day after Obama was immaculated (ascended from heaven), DEMOCRATS were in control of the Congress and Senate, Republicans did not have the votes to block anything. And add the fear that they would be called RACIST if they did...Obama had card blanch to pass anything he wanted.............he chose HCR.
Yes the middle class has been buried and Barack Obama is the one that buried them.
Starting in January Obama is setting their tombstone. It won't hurt much and all they have to pay is $1,700 dollars a year to make sure every healthcare insurance company is making a huge profit!
Don't worry though, Obama has lots of food stamps for you to feed your family with. Well at least until he bankrupts the government!
FORWARD???????
Joe Biden made a gaffe while speaking while Romney made a "true" statement that he meant to make over his "47%" statement. It's totally disturbing that the media & the Ryan/Romney campaign would distort the reporting of Joe Biden's statement in this way....what else do these morons distort?
@paulette......Nothing Romney said was a "distortion" about Obamas plan to construct a "majority coalition" of people who are dependent on entitlements, Obama admitted that he believes in REDISTRIBUTION. And if you want to see what redistribution of wealth pays for........watch the "obamaphone lady" video. Im middle class, have a job, and no one(including Obama) offers to pay my cell phone bill. The only distortion on the 47%.......is Obama wants 100% dependency on Government handouts................entitlements=votes.
He said as much in a video from June 1998.
http://www.jsharf.com/view/?p=2126
The plan was to build the base by having the working poor identify with welfare recipients rather than the middle class. He wants them to think they need, want and are entitled to government help. He has achieved his goal and it is frightening. He has successfully brainwashed people into relying on government rather than themselves. More and more Americans are looking for handouts selling their freedom and independence. Is it any wonder why the economy is still so poor? He wants to keep it from recovering so he and his party can add lore and more people to dependency.
When Bush tax cuts expire.....median income households($40K-$60K) will see their tax obligation go up $1000 to $2000............and thats just Federal tax......not HCR hit coming later down the road..
You twits....great to see the liberal slant on the idiot that is our Vice President...and why no mention of the racist rant of our president we got to learn of on Fox last night... Just so you people know...if you wonder why...I WILL NOT WATCH CRAP ON NBC or its AFFILIATES, except maybe the Golf Channel another second of my life. I read yesterday that it is the Main Stream media that is ruining our country...you have become Pravda....NBC...CBS...ABC...its all CRAP now....and you really...I mean really wonder why your news programs are floundering...and people are turning to alternative programming choices. But since you have embraced the communist ways of our dear leader....you can turn a blind eye until this farce of an administration starts dictating what will travel across our airwaves....guess that is a second term thing.
"Biden says middle class has been 'buried over the last four years'"
These must be those shovel ready jobs Obama talked about?
LOL!!!!!
When Bozo Biden speaks nobody really listens, so why are we waisting our time here people?
In 1988 Joe Biden ran for President but was forced to "suspend" his campaign when it was discovered he LIED about his college records..............kinda like his boss..........Bite-me just didn't have a liberal media to cover his @ss back then.........sorry Joe.
Good Talking Point Mr. Biden, Yes we have been under for the last four years. We have had more regulation and BS crammed down our throats by the most subversive Administration to ever Occupy the White House. Time for a Little Hope and Change and How is that working Out for You? Am I better Off than I was four years ago, No.
Romney/Ryan 2012
High gas prices (was $1.84 on his inauguration day), high food prices, 46% increase in food stamp
recipients, 23 million unemployed or underemployment, 9.3 million in poverty, a 46 year high. "Electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket". We deserve better than that! Give Romney a chance. Rest assured, he loves this country.
Hey NBC - where is the coverage about the newly released video of Obama making some decidely racist comments in front of a black audience in 2007? You excused not covering his "redistribution" video because it was from 1995 and not "relevant". But, this was from the last election - it should at least rate the same coverage as the video of Romney. YOU ARE NOT A FAIR AND UNBIASED SOURCE OF NEWS. YOU ARE A SCHILL ORGANIZATION FOR OBAMA'S RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
Hey MSNBC when are you going to become journalists. and report without liberal prejudice, what REALLY happened in Libya? How about where the guns came from that killed another border patrol agent?.........
A novel idea MSNBC........simply take the liberal blinders off and pretend, just pretend even for one day, there is a Republican in the White House. And then report the NEWS. I bet your audience would be shocked at what is REALLY going on...........
Well he got THAT right at least. And that is exactly why Mr. Obama has to go. He has done nothing to help this country.