What a Maroon!

I actually like Joe Biden.

But, I have to say in this instance that he's full of "bolshevik."

Obama has EVERY intention of instituting a tax increase on middle, and upper-middle income families if he gets reelected.

Not to mention a seething hatred for the rich, and a seething desire to tax the living hell out of successful upper income earners.

When his economic plan, that has so miserably failed thus far, continues to do so; he will offer up the wealthy, and the well-off to the masses as the reason for their misery.

When that happens, successful people won't be able to walk the streets in urban areas for fear of being beaten up, or worse, killed.

THAT is exactly the kind of society which is being cultivated by this jerk; one in which success, excellence, and the accumulation of wealth are punished, while laziness and dependency are rewarded.

Sorry Joe, but I aint votin' for THAT!

DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY 2012!!!!!

How in the world is he up in the poll? Must have something to do with the influence of the media because the economic data shouldn't win him the election.

Maybe it has something to do with the candidacy of Mr. Romney?

So Joe - that big old stimulus done failed, right big guy.

You do remember the stimulus? It was supposed to 'jump-start' the economy, to get us going.

Why heck Joe, you all promised 6% unemployment by now.

So Joe - where you lying, or just that ignorant?

Either way, great call.

Oh, and Osama is dead, but Al Qaeda sure isn't. Just ask Amb. Stevens.

Oh and "it was all about a movie" crap - another lie, or again, you all just that clueless?

Either way...

As much as I love Uncle Joe, I've gotta admit he threw Republicans a bone on this one...

...and of course the piranhas have already pounced. Ah, that's okay. They haven't had much to crow about lately.

Let 'em have a little fun. It won't last long.

Obama/Biden 2012

MICKEY - how the hell you doing these days?

From the headline:

"Biden says middle class has been 'buried over the last four years'"

Couldn't have said it any better myself!!

What a imbecile, what a ultra maroon, what a boob!!

The middle class and your children/grandchildren can't afford 4 more... Biden just said so!!

16 TRILLION and counting.... tick tick tick

Hey AM - how come the bluest governor in the world - Moonbeam just cut taxes for Hollywood again?

You say cutting taxes does nothing, yet even Moonbeam knows better, which is why he's cutting those nasty taxes on the production of films. See, many films are being made in other states, states with...YEP..lower taxes rates.

AM?

Spanky, Mickey has taken over the title of FR catamite. Nonetheless I am trying to cure my little friend here from his fear of abandonment issues. And he keeps calling me chris, let me guess you deflect to imaginary friends when you 'get your ass handed to you?' Please Mickey, tell me why support Obama and why he thinks 250k a year equals rich? In fact do you even know the difference between wealth and income? are you ripping your boss off? I like you Mickey no hard feelings. But keep 'defending' Obama, you know King Midas himself. HAHAHA

Hey Mickey lastly, I love your 'killa debatin' skizillz'

Mickey my name isnt Chris. Although if that is what you prefer to get you through therapy by all means.

AM. Salve, You start that Pro Bono lis alibi pendens yet? You know fair share to give back to the mob right?

Spanky --

how come the bluest governor in the world - Moonbeam just cut taxes for Hollywood again?

Films create jobs. Notice that he's cutting taxes on something that actually creates jobs, rather than on Mitt Romney who's not.

Films are made lots of places, these days, Spanky. You should be happy that tax breaks are being used to keep that business home, rather than, say ... Texas.

Moonbeam is also doing other things, like renewable energy initiatives --

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/09/jerry-brown-signs-renewable-energy-bills.html

-- and making sure that quacks like Marcus Bachmann cannot practice gay therapy in California --

http://www.examiner.com/article/calif-gov-jerry-brown-signs-legislation-banning-gay-cure-therapy

-- and vetoing pension bills that favor unions --

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/10/california-jerry-brown-vetoes-labor-backed-pension-bills.html

Or didn't you know? Well, that's okay. That last one just happened.

SURPRISE!!!!

Caesar Augustus --

You start that Pro Bono lis alibi pendens yet? You know fair share to give back to the mob right?

Afternoon, your most serene and august majesty. I do my share, but not for the mob. You're the Italian in this film noir.

AM - and films filmed in other states create jobs.

Moonbeam wants them made in Cali., so he lowed taxes.

See, when you tax something, you get less of it. Which is why the films are being made somewhere else.

So how did Moonbeam 'create' more jobs here with films? He lowered taxes.

Magic, right?

Plus he's letting illegals get licensed. So why do we have immigration laws?

Yep, a real magic worker is he. Cause Cali is absolutely rocking right now.

SUre it is.

So AM - you could create jobs. Yet you refuse to open up your own business.

Why do you hate workers AM?

I see Spanky and Caesar have borrowed the spin cycle from the washing machine. Guys, that was feeble. Darks, whites ... WTF ... brains in the grey zone.

BCWC sure pal and you think advocacy journalism is credible. Keep flying high Icarus.

You're the Italian in this film noir

The good the bad and the ugly

Of course it was blackcat. We are just stoopid conservatives and all.

But hey, how about you take a crack at the Cali cuts taxes for movies to increase the movies made here thing-y.

AM kinda swung and missed.

Or maybe you can tell us why Cali, the blue-est of the blue is the worst off state by far?

Your pick.

Speaking as a lowly member of the declining midddle class here in the US, I've seen the following in the last 4 years:

1. Layed off but fortunate enough to find another job. 2. Little and no raises. 3. Cost of gas, food, electricity, heat, and insurances going up(especially health insurance). 4. Inflation going up. 5. Employer cutting benefits- primarily health care due to growing costs. Taxes going up (state and federal) while representation is going down. 6. Politicians like to use me as both the dying middle class and someone needing to do some more "patiotic duty".

Mr. Biden, I think I was buried over the last four years.

So how did Moonbeam 'create' more jobs here with films? He lowered taxes.

Magic, right?

Anyone can do it, Spanky. The trick is to make it work. Like Solyndra, remember?

But that doesn't really bother me that much. What I REALLY object to is tax breaks for people who claim to be job creators, but in fact are just the opposite. Like Mitt Romney, who lives solely for the purpose of sucking money OUT of the economy.

Do try to pay attention, dear boy.

Yet you refuse to open up your own business.

Been a general partner in a couple of law firms. Didn't like the politics or the lease guarantee obligations. Anytime you group lawyers together in a practice you get volatility and uncertainty. I get along just fine without it.

Why do you hate workers AM?

Too funny. I not only AM a worker now, but I pay my share toward maintaining jobs for others, just like you.

AM kinda swung and missed.

Seriously. Your split-fingered fastball is rocking today.

Whoever thought the day would come when I AGREE with Joe Biden!! He is absolutely right. When you have an Obama administration who damages an economy it will be the middle class that get affected the most. So Joe is right: this failed administration has buried the middle class.............

So gang - why is O telling defense contractors to not issue legally required layoff notices?

Why is the White House telling them the government will pay their legal fees?

Why does Obama seem to hate the Warn Act.?

Most transparent Pres. EVAH!

I'd rather have Mickey tell us why with his extensive experience, knowledge and education. You know he hands me my arse daily but doenst feel compelled to kick down some knowledge to a fellow man. Tolerant huh. As for spin cycles you know im not sure where Ikarus went with that. I am not the European that has the belief we're in a golden age.

hey AM whats with the quid pro quo to your buddies but not the Mob? not good practice? BTW why dont you start your own practice?

Spanky,

Romney backed tax break for the movie industry in November 2005, signing a bill that would give tax credits of up to $7 million for productions that film in his State.

The program had generated about 1,700 in-state jobs, costing the state $142,500 in lost tax revenue for each job (a 240+ million dollar loss) according to the Massachusetts tax office. The state had gotten back 13 cents for every dollar it gave up in tax revenue.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/30/us-usa-campaign-romney-insight-idUSBRE84T05F20120530

Maybe it has something to do with the candidacy of Mr. Romney?

Bingo!

GOt it AM - anyone can do it...but you.

It's ok, we can see how raising taxes works here in Cali, over in Illinois, and man will it be fantastic in France.

Oh and O sure has contributed a lot to the old economy. Not Mitt.

Sure AM, seems like you are really on to something today. :)

Spanky --

So gang - why is O telling defense contractors to not issue legally required layoff notices?

Why is the White House telling them the government will pay their legal fees?

Why does Obama seem to hate the Warn Act.?

I thought you were a lawyer. There ARE exceptions to WARN, you know.

It took me 5 seconds of looking at an article about this to see which exception applies.

Go look it up, and see if YOU can figure it out.

I'll even provide you with an article --

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20121001/CONGRESS02/310010005/Graham-raps-Obama-WARN-Act-stance?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFacilities,%20Fleet%20&%20Energy%7Cp

But thanks for the afternoon brain exercise.

You're really pitching softballs, you know.

GOt it AM - anyone can do it...but you.

Someone has to be the worker bee, Spanky. Might as well be me.

Oh and O sure has contributed a lot to the old economy. Not Mitt.

That's right. And Romney didn't build it, either.

Starting with his initial stake from his parents. Followed by his deal with Michael Milken. Followed by his maneuver to screw Bain's partners and the FDIC in the 1990s. Followed by Staples, founded with government dollars. Followed by Ampad and GS Steel and a few other rapes and pillages. Followed by the Olympics, which he "saved" using federal dollars. Followed by his term as Massachusetts governor, where the state ranked 47 in job creation. Since then, at least he has done no further direct harm to the economy. But now he subsists purely by sucking off the top of it.

Any questions?

Why thank you RON.

So what you are saying is that when yu cut taxes you get more revenue.

Like the opposite of Quinn in Ill., Brown here, and of course the big hurt that will befall France.

Oh but Ron - why are you in favor of cutting taxes of the richest of the rich? Why don't you want Hollywood to 'pay it's fair share?'

What the hell is wrong with you Ron?

YOu sir are OUT of the OWS movement.

[is that even a thing anymore?]

Sure there are AM, and yet O is assuring the contractors the gov. will cover the lawsuits.

SO you are saying this is legit and not political?

Sure it is. Or at least it'll get you off you great argument on taxes and movies, right?

Now get back to your billing. The firm is counting on your $2500 in fees generated today.

Caesar Augustus-

BCWC sure pal and you think advocacy journalism is credible. Keep flying high Icarus.

I do? And just what do you find credible? Try Phaedon, the Romans were cultural thieves, just like Christians.

I meant screw Bain's investors and the FDIC. Look it up.

SO you are saying this is legit and not political?

I told you, go look it up. For a change.

The firm is counting on your $2500 in fees generated today.

Then they're about to be mightily disappointed.

But I rather doubt that they're counting on it.

Oh, and did I mention Romneycare, which is paid for in significant part by MEDICAID?

Holy crap AM i read your cite.
Really?

So as the attorney for the contractor you would advise them to ignore the law, cause it's not certain that layoff will occur.

So you have not read the Warn Act, eh?

Or is it you'd just be looking for some great fees in defending the co.?

Yikes AM!

The middle class is buried in debt although it is much lower now than 4 years ago. Companies continue to make record profits while workers struggle with stagnant wages. This is the fault of the greedy 1% who now own 42% of America and want more.

They loan their underpaid workers money to continue purchasing the goods and service their companies produce. Historically, the worker's share of productivity gains continues to drop while the owners' share continues to climb. And then these rich guys wonder why their sales are not stronger.

It is time for the rich to realize that America's prosperity has been built on the middle class' s capacity to purchase goods and services. They have been shortchanging these consumers (who happen to be their workers) since the advent of trickle down economics. This is the thriving consumer market (70% of economy)the rich need for their continued prosperity, but they are too busy counting their money and reducing their costs (especially labor cost) to notice.

hey AM, i dont know what you guys are talking about, but is this the pro bono quid pro quo stuff.

Hey Ikarus, you claimed earlier that RS was relevant as a political news source. you were just yankin my chain im sure. as to credibility, I would find NBC a tad more credible. not much but a tad more.

the Romans were cultural thieves, just like Christians.

well BCWC i can only presume you are a descendant of a Pict or an atheist. Cultureless in general. Im really not sure what cryptic statement you were trying to make?

Spanky --

So as the attorney for the contractor you would advise them to ignore the law, cause it's not certain that layoff will occur.

So you have not read the Warn Act, eh?

Trust me, I've read it, which you obviously have not.

Like everything else the government does, WARN is made of Swiss cheese.

Swiss cheese is how I make my living.

Very dairy.

Mr. Latin Lupe Lu --

but is this the pro bono quid pro quo stuff.

What? Are you jealous?

Hey, Spanky. Caesar thinks you're hot.

It's the Roman way, after all.

How do you like that, Icarus?

Unlike other ecomonies that don't 'short change' workers?

Like in North Korea, Cuba, So. America. Yeah, those workers there totally get a fair deal.

Or how about the workers in France, Greece, Italy, the Middle East.

The purpose of business is to create wealth. It is not to create jobs.

Then again, not like the middle class creates any jobs.

Such a shame.

AM - yeah, another POS law. And yet Obama felt the need to specifically ask contractors NOT to comply.

Imagine that - a sitting pres. directing others NOT to comply with the law.

But then again you are a cheese head. I give you that.

Have a good one AM. I got a complaint to draft.

Spanky --

The purpose of business is to create wealth. It is not to create jobs.

Really? That's not what the job creators say when they're begging for tax breaks.

Then again, not like the middle class creates any jobs.

Really? According to conservatives, when trying to explain no jobs are being created by their job creation wizardry, only demand creates jobs.

And only the middle class can create demand.

There is middle class wealth or worth and there is Spanky's wealth or worth. Whatever comes first.

thewhmhost.com/www/spanky.newsvine.com#

Bush passed the tax cuts under reconciliation, with Cheney casting the deciding vote. This means the Dems. didn't support them, the debt was to be paid down using budget surpluses to pay for it. They claimed back then that the cuts were too skewed to the rich and they were. But you know the Repubs know better, "deficits don't matter", that is until a Democrat takes office. When the debt exploded under Shrub Jr., gee I wonder why?, the Repubes said nothing. The whiney "job creators" didn't Psss and moan when the rates were much higher under Reagan. Filthy socialists Dems are called, what are we talking about an extra four % on incomes above 250,000/yr. If I'm a filthy socialist then ya'll need to step up to what I call you Republicans selling America to the highest bidder, traitors.

It's the Roman way, after all.

it is? well its all Greek to me. Nice deflection AM with the homo reference. More lefty tolerance. oh well guess you're just another Rob Peter to pay Paul.

Swiss cheese is how I make my living.

a reference to your arguments in court? so you just con people? something doesnt sound too ethical about that? Hey AM when you got that shiny JD, they had ethics back then right? Maybe its time to take a hike Via Appia

Anna Molly - I think it's useless to try to argue law with Spanky - who clearly is NOT an attorney. My guess is he's a court reporter at best!

Obama/Biden 2012

…..People Died Obama Lied
"Then add into the mix the stagnate economy, weak job growth, the lost AAA credit rating X two, the record high deficit, the shrinking GDP, more people on food stamps then ever before, income inequality is more under Obama than under Bush, banks now control more of the economy then they did before the collapse, unemployment has never fallen below 8%, and there is little hope for any of that changing anytime soon."

Can you name one bill the Republicans passed that helped the "Stagnant Economy"? Oh, that's right, they filibustered them all… Can you name one bill that the Republicans passed that aided "Employment"? Oh, that's right, they filibustered them all…. Can you tell me who held the AAA credit rating hostage as well as tax cuts to 98% of America? Oh, that's right, the Republicans did until they got the tax cuts for the upper 2%.... You claim that the GDP shrank under Obama… GDP Q4 2008 (Before Obama took office) was -8.9% (got that? A NEGATIVE 8.9%) and in 2011 it was +2.8% - that is an 11.7% turn around.

I could go into how Obama put the two wars, Pharma and the tax cuts back on the books as Bush had left them out of the debt….. but you and Fox would just say that "I'm blaming BUSH :( …. Want to know about that income inequality that you brought up??? From 1979 to 2007 the upper 1% saw their incomes gain by 275% while during that same time frame the bottom 60% saw theirs gain by only 4.67% and the bottom 20% saw theirs decrease by over 3%... So according to you…when Obama was 18 years old he did "Something" that created this income inequality…. As it just didn't occur under his administration.

Really your name should be "People Died while Bush and you Republicans LIED"!!!!

Too bad so sad,

I told all of you before READ:

Obama's Book, 2004, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance

Biden's Biography.

**********************THAT IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR*******************

And that is what you are voting for AGAIN.

I also told all of you before, we US Citizens are given a choice of two steaming piles of Demoncrap or Repugnant sh!t and told to choose.

And I told all of you before YOU DO NOT EVEN GET TO CHOOSE. The Rich Elitists of the Electoral College Determine the President and Vice President January. As the arguement of the Rich Elitist Founding Fathers that refuse to "Pay Their Fair Share" of British Stamp Act Taxes argued, "The average citizen is too ignorant to determine the Highest Offices of the Land, President and Vice President". And the average citizen being too ignorant bought off on their baloney, represent smaller States and smaller populations (Hint: The President and Vice President Represent All the States).

The Price Tag Of Politics

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6228712n&tag=related;photovideo

I also warned you about President Obama's Buddy "Mr. Corporate America", and I challenged all of you to find out who that is, and for over three years only one person even bothered to find out.

I told Newsvine Coral Taxi that the Afghans know more about Afghanistan and America than most Americans. And I am still winning my arguement with Coral Taxi.

Substance not Popularity, Facts not Opinions, Logic not Emotions, Experience not Academic Idealism, Truth not Politically Correctness, Results not Excuses, etc..

Caesar --

it is? well its all Greek to me. Nice deflection AM with the homo reference. More lefty tolerance.

I apologize. It was beneath me. Just like you and unicorns.

Maybe its time to take a hike Via Appia

Who knows? Maybe it is.

And when I'm gone, don't forget who built it, either, despite a do-nothing Senate.

a reference to your arguments in court? so you just con people? something doesnt sound too ethical about that?

More like the tax loopholes that conservatives love to exploit.

I'm right down there in the mud with 'em.

Just like you and unicorns.

yet you held Feisty's comment in high esteem. why am i not surprised my crude remark gets labeled and the gladiators is revered. I believe they call it hypocrisy? something along those lines.

And when I'm gone, don't forget who built it, either, despite a do-nothing Senate

nah, those days the Senate was functioning for a lack of a better term. Unlike the good ol' USA.

More like the tax loopholes that conservatives love to exploit.

im sure AM, and here I thought you were a champion of the people. AM, tribune of the Plebes.

I'm right down there in the mud with 'em.

looking down perhaps

If you voted in the last election to prove you weren't a racist, vote in this one to prove you're not a moron.

The White House is not a place to practice affirmative action.

We have all learned that from the last election and paid dearly for the error.

2012 THE END OF AN ERROR.

Romney/Ryan 2012

PG80tard - if you voted for McCain/Palin in 2008 you were clearly racist (Palin, really?) and if you vote Republican this years you're racist AND an idiot!

Obama/Biden 2012

a middle class that has "been buried over the last four years."

Nice to see a Democrat be honest for once, maybe Biden does have a conscious.

With the massive increases in debt due to unsustainable "stimulus" spending and the largest tax increase in U.S. history (Obamacare) it is easy to see why he felt necessary to help end Obama's destruction.

Insane..........................everyone but you are racist. Only you are that stupid.

You should be as smart and look as good as Palin. I'm sure you look like other libs: Hillary, Sotomayor, Napolitano, Sebelius, Moochelle, Kagan, etc., etc..................................

im sure AM, and here I thought you were a champion of the people. AM, tribune of the Plebes

Corporations are people, too. Mitt Romney said that.

yet you held Feisty's comment in high esteem.

Frankly, I don't even know what comment you're talking about.

I believe they call it hypocrisy? something along those lines.

Don't worry your pretty little head. I'll self-flagellate later with a wet noodle.

Don't forget to check YouTube.

looking down perhaps

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

PG8otard --

I'm sure you look like other libs: Hillary, Sotomayor, Napolitano, Sebelius, Moochelle, Kagan, etc., etc...........

Angelina Jolie ....

Corporations are people, too. Mitt Romney said that.

blame the SC, but still why No AM the Tribune of the Plebes. VETO VETO VETO.

Don't worry your pretty little head. I'll self-flagellate later with a wet noodle.

i dont know what you just said, but its none of my business

I think President Obama has done an excellent job despite a desperate attempt by Republicans to keep him from achieving anything.

As it is, his stimulus ended the recession and returned our economy to growth.

His health care plan will help restore some fiscal sanity to the exploding costs of our health care system (we spend way more per capita on health insurance than any country on earth and it was this way in 2008 with 46 million not even having health insurance).

He made getting Bin Laden a top priority and ordered the mission to proceed that took him out.

He ended the War in Iraq.

He ended torture.

We are now respected around the world.

OBAMA 2012............For America's Future

Seeking

if you voted for McCain/Palin in 2008 you were clearly racist (Palin, really?) and if you vote Republican this years you're racist AND an idiot!

Nice use of racism. Explain to the world how using racism to promote your position and candidate doesn't make you a racist.

hey DB, seeking approval also said similar things to me. The gutless, baseless claim that I was afraid of the black man in office. followed by stupid and liar. The in you face attempt at intimidation really shows the low intellectual level of seeking. Let seeking have that circular reasoning

Being a "Baby Boomer", I and millions of others grew up with the War On Poverty, mostly Lyndon Johnson and onward. I don't know that the War on Poverty was ever won, though there has to be vast amounts of statistics gathered on that particular social experiment. When I view the topic of protecting the Middle Class through federal government involvement, jobs for teachers, nurses, social workers, police and fire protection, infrastructure maintenance, repair and new construction... I don't see federal dollars involved as I see an increase in local sales and property taxes, or raises in the health insurance premiums, to pay for the likes of more nurses for instance. So lowering federal tax rates isn't going to influence local school bond rates, that's up to the community residents. There still are people living in poverty, but as Boomers age, they'll be less inclined to pay more property, or increased sales tax, to support the younger members of the Middle Class. How many Boomers have adult children living at home, or care for elderly parents, or both? There is little that Obama or Romney can do to address these "local economic issues". These issues are better addressed in elections governing School Boards or School Districts, Hospital Districts, City Council Districts, and County or Borough representation. Many of these type of elections have no party affiliation.

Did the War on Poverty just fizzle out, or did it just evolve a stair step up to Middle Class? Did our past tax dollars pay off our past bond issue debts, or were those funds redirected into pension and benefit packages for government employees, and employees of companies heavily subsidized by taxes?

"Despite that, under the Obama Administration, we've added more than 4.6 million jobs over the last 30 months."

Problem is that we have needed 20 million jobs, and Obama/Biden aren't the ones who can get the job done. What we've seen over the last 30 months is an economy healing on its own.

Every once in a while someone in the Obama administration actually speaks the truth, and won't that make some great fodder for a Romney campaign ad.

I can’t wait until the Vice Presidential debate. If Obama was as smart as he thinks he is he would have Biden claim a last minute catastrophic medical condition and skip the debate or admit Biden is just to stupid to participate. The only problem I see with that would be what are the late night TV shows going to use for laughs and punch lines with out Joe “this is a bi Fu$%&*# deal” Biden making a fool of himself.

Anna Molly, are you and Feisty Redhead one in the same? Deflect, detract, tap-dance or do what ever you would like to do. The fact remains Obama and his failed policies are just that; he has been a dismal failure of epic proportion. So copy and paste all night long, most can see through the smoke and mirrors you think you are creating.

"...The 2012 elections are a travesty of genuine democracy, with the people given the "choice" of voting for one or another party financed by big business and committed to serving its interests at the expense of the vast majority of the population. Behind the spectacle of political mudslinging, mind-numbing attack ads and empty campaign rhetoric, class war is being prepared at home and military war is being prepared internationally, with Iran looming as the first target…"

Democrats, Republicans plot post-election assault on Medicare, Social Security

By Kate Randall

3 October 2012

Discussions are underway in the US Senate to forge a plan for sweeping cuts to social programs in the aftermath of the November 6 election. The New York Times reported Tuesday on moves by a bipartisan group of senators to come to an agreement so as to avert automatic spending cuts mandated in last year's deal to raise the debt ceiling. That agreement was signed by President Obama on August 2, 2011.

Under the debt ceiling deal, Congress' failure in 2011 to produce a deficit reduction bill with at least $1.2 trillion in cuts triggered some $1 trillion in across-the-board spending cuts or "sequestrations"—including to social programs such as Medicare and to the Defense Department—to begin in January 2013 and extend over 10 years.

These automatic cuts would coincide with the expiration in the new year of the Bush-era tax cuts as well as payroll tax reductions and federally funded extended unemployment benefits. The Obama White House and congressional Republicans agreed in December 2010 to extend the Bush tax cuts, including for the richest Americans, until the end of this year, while reducing the payroll tax and extending jobless benefits for the same period.

The combination of these expirations and the mandated deficit reduction measures has been called a "fiscal cliff" that threatens to plunge the economy into a deeper slump.

The "fiscal cliff" is being seized upon by the White House and both big business parties as a pretext to implement austerity measures of historic proportions. Cuts targeting Medicare and Medicaid, Social Security, public education, food stamps and other vital social programs will mean impoverishment and suffering for millions of working class families…

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/oct2012/cuts-o03.shtml

What has the Party of NO done to change things for the better? What have they done to keep things from getting better?

You really are Confussed! The party of no is trying to save America from the Welfare and Food Stamp party.

Do you call a plumber when your car breaks down??

Obama can't raise taxes on these people, he's put them on welfare and food stamps!

What few middle class families that manage to escape Obamas "recovery" are going to get hit starting in January with an average $1,700 a year Obamacare tax! And that is just the beginning.

Check out what the Government economists are saying about 2013 we are going back into recession.

Obama has borrowed us to near bankruptcy to artificially float the economy and it's getting ready to bite us in the ass big time.

FORWARD?????? Off a cliff if you keep calling a community organizer to fix a financial disaster!

Obama can give you a great speech and leave you with the warm fuzzies but he don't know crap about financial matters only about campaigning!

The right has been supportive of outsourcing American jobs to third world countries and communist China. And then they have the balls to act like they give a rip about the middle class? They have obstructed every attempt to create good jobs in America, the Republicans are responsible in lowering America's credit rating, and are threatening to do it again. They filibustered a bill to give tax breaks to any company who would return jobs to the US. Anyone who buys into their BS that they care about anyone who isn't rich just needs to objectively look at their record.

The middle class has been buried over the last 4 years...

We sure have Joe, we sure have! And WHO has been in the white house for the last 4 years?????

And you want my vote again? NOT!!!!

I thought ol' Joe "where am I" Biden was on Obama's payroll.......it sounds like ol' Joe is actually on the Romney/Ryan team?.....what is up wid dat?

Biden argued that the GOP, in contrast, would raise taxes on a middle class that has "been buried over the last four years."

Yep, you have buried us, Joe.

It's like I've been saying......under Obama the 1% are still very damn well the 1%.....and 23 million of the 99% are either under or unemployed.

ROMNEY - RYAN 2012

In 2008 many voted FOR Obama to prove they were not racist. In 2012 these same individuals need to vote AGAINST Obama to prove they are not an idiot.

Stupid Joe Biden strikes again !!!

Backhouse...

If you and the Obama adminsitration wish to take credit for "creating 4.6 million jobs" then...because there are no more Americans working than there were four years ago...both you and the administration also must take credit for the "4.6 million jobs" that have been lost during that same period..

Folks like you couldn't stop whining about the small percentage of companies Bain Capital got involved with that ended up closing...costing jobs. But also you and your ilk never spent a brain cell honestly looking at the thousands of jobs created and companies that became successful under Bain's watch.

Do you live on a one-way street or just think that way ? The same standard Mr. Romney was held to should apply to Mr. Obama.

You are right tony,

Obama and company seem to think we are stupid and don't realize we have approx the same number of jobs today as we did the day he took office.

If Obama was as smart as he thinks he is he would have Biden claim a last minute catastrophic medical condition and skip the debate or admit Biden is just to stupid to participate.

Should be spelled "Biden is just too stupid to participate." I normally wouldn't say anything, but you are the one who is pointing out stupidity.

He's bringing "sexy" back... lol

back to what? Caveman days?

Definitely not Paul Ryan!

The only people he attracts are other overprivileged, entitled, right-wing anorexics. Eat a sandwich, already!

(But don't wash it down with another $350.00 bottle of wine, while discussing the need for medicare cuts with fellow right-wingers, at least not in public!)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/08/paul-ryan-wine-medicare-cuts_n_893457.html

"Give 'em hell Joe!"

Joe gave it to the Administration that has "buried the middle class over the last four years". Whom might that be? Oops.

Good job, Joe! Did you call Jon Corzine for more advice?

2009: "I literally picked up the phone and called Jon Corzine and said Jon, what do you think we should do," Biden said. "The reason we called Jon is that we knew that he knew about the economy, about world markets, how we had to respond, unlike almost anyone we knew. It was because he had been in the pit -- because he had been in the furnace. And we trusted his judgment."

Uh, Steeler - it's the 47% that pay no taxes.

Unlike you of course, who are squarely in the 1%, right Steeler?

SO Steeler - it's like 4:00 p.m where yo are at. THat means you have already billed your clients $2,000 today.

Nice work Steeler.

SO how long is Feisty on probation?

Can't be first poster, that's got to kill the old girl.

Anyone got a count on the number of times Feisty has been suspended? It's gotta be over 10.

Spanky - as usual you just post nonsense. The 47% DO pay taxes. Get a clue. You just sound ignorant - oh wait - you are!

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Yep Sanity- I'm ignorant.

But you are not. I know that cause you say it all the time.

So why is that Sanity?

I think, despite my own ignorance, I might know.

Thanks for the consistency Sanity. :)

Oh and Sanity - how about your girl Steeler, pulling in the big bucks? I bet you are proud of her, right?

And don't you forget about AM. Another big billing atty. Not huge like Lizzy Warren, but a nice living.

College Humor.com

Mitt Romney style.

It's too funny.

Just goes to show...

Rombot.Has.Nothing.

Figures Progressive women would like this guy. Like them he never shuts up and he plagiarized the work of others when he was at Harvard, which is similar to welfare queens living off the work of others. The one good thing about Biden is that when he ran against Obama he was decent enough to admit that the only reason people voted Obama because he was a clean cut, black guy who spoke English well. Lay the var on the ground and even a Progressive can jump over it.

Joe got run out of the race in '88.

Seems he kinda copied, in total, a speech by an English guy.

Or is it Feisty and Amy swoon over admitted plagiarizers?

Spanky - I have no problem that some of us make good livings. But, the difference is, we're not willing to say "to hell with everyone else" to get additional benefits. It's called pulling for the entire country - something you wouldn't possibly understand. Am absolutely proud of Steeler and AM - and more power to them.

See the right wing stupidity about liberals hating success is just that - stupidity. But you go ahead and try to sell that. After all, all the right has is lies, lies and more lies.

And, every time you post you prove your ignorance!

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you geriatric chick magnet you.

You're not to hard on the eyes yourself there Skip! ☺

Definitely not Paul Ryan!

The only people he attracts are other overprivileged, entitled, right-wing anorexics. Eat a sandwich, already!

Indeed! What a pencil neck geek! Wonder what his pick up line is... Hey baby wanna see my fiscal projections?

"So is it true that 47 percent of Americans don't pay income tax? Essentially, yes, according to the the Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax"

Seeking, your ignorance is showing, but just keep drinking the tasty Kool-Aid...

Got it Sanity.

Looks like you and Ron are out of OWS.

But don't worry, I'll keep your secret.

Normandy Mike - If you had gotten any real figures you would see that the 47% includes veterans; seniors who have already paid into the system; the working poor who pay all kinds of taxes. Clearly you don't care about truth or facts. You're the perfect friend for Spanky - between the two of you there isn't a complete brain!

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From the LA Times:

But they should be concerned about the fundamental inaccuracy of Romney's claims and the erroneous conclusions he draws from them. For those point to the important questions of how he can make policy in a fact-free context, and how he can even know his own mind if he doesn't know what he's talking about.

So let's examine Romney's numbers and their significance.

The key number he cited is that 47% of Americans "pay no income tax." The statistic is true as far as it goes, but it doesn't come close to reaching the finish line. In fact, its shock value derives from the legerdemain of focusing solely on the federal income tax. This misleads Romney and his audience into thinking that the group in question is mostly people on a lifelong dole.

The truth is that the vast majority are people who are working or who have worked in the past. Their ranks include millions of Americans who are now retired, living on Social Security and Medicare benefits they paid for throughout their working lives. Many others are those who were booted into culverts by the economic crisis and are today struggling to get back on the road.

The 47% statistic comes from the Tax Policy Center, a project of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution, which crunched IRS data to get it. TPC's actual finding is that 46.4% of "tax units" — that's IRS filers and non-filers combined — will have zero or negative U.S. income tax liability for 2011. (Romney would have been better advised to say 47% aren't paying income taxes now, rather than that 47% "don't pay taxes," as if that's a permanent condition.)

The worst flaw of this figure is that it ignores the burden of other federal taxes shouldered by many in the zero-income-tax group.

Principally, these are payroll taxes, which are levied this year on the first $110,100 of wage income for Social Security and all wage income for Medicare. Indeed, four-fifths of all taxpayers pay more in payroll taxes than federal income taxes as a percentage of income. The crossover point is about $100,000 in wage income. (By definition, the statistic counts the employer's share of payroll taxes as a burden on the worker.)

What this means is that a large share of all households paying no income tax are working households with substantial payroll tax bills. They're the antithesis of people who can't be convinced to "take personal responsibility" for their lives.

Not quite the "freeloader" group you'd like to pretend they are - are they?

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Spanky, So gang - why is O telling defense contractors to not issue legally required layoff notices?

Why is the White House telling them the government will pay their legal fees?

If this isnt illegal, its certainly is immoral.

"This is typical Barack Obama politics — being supportive of the WARN Act when convenient and against it when it creates a political downside," Mr. Graham said Monday in a release. "This is the most outcome-based White House in memory."

In 2007, Sen. Obama wanted to extend the WARN Act notices to 90 days, up from 60, to ensure workers were treated fairly, Mr. Graham noted.

"Now, President Obama is trying to suppress the issuance of WARN notices, which will hit mailboxes right before the election," he said. "The Obama administration's legal advice is dubious at best."

Well said SeekingSanity.....Both my husband and i have worked, payed our taxes, raised four children and are now on Social Security / medicare...We payed our dues...We are NOT deadbeats yet Romney says we are part of the 47%...That was the REAL Romney on that video...Take care of the wealthy and forget the middle class...What canidate would say FORGET HALF of the country and expect to be voted in as President for all? A canidate with HALF a brain, thats who.... Obama/Biden 2012....

So now all of you can witness what I had previously copied, saved, from the previous Elections about:

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL - Give em hell Joe! He's bringing "sexy" back... lol

You need to go to the newly opened female masturbation bar at Japan. Take a picture of Biden with you.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ladies-masturbation-bar-opens-tokyo-article-1.1172990

Previous Election Newsvine posts:

xxxxxx - Obama looks like a President so he should be President

yyyy yyyy - Sounds like a President.

rrrrrrrrrrr - McCain looks like Don Rickles.

ooooo - He must be President because he is Black.

eeeee (bunch of numbers) - He looks better than McCain that looks like a prune.

And once again you did not even know what you were Voting For because most were TOO LAZY to read:

Obama's Book, 2004, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance

Biden's Biography.

I also kept warning all of you before the Previous Elections what President Obama's Buddy "Mr. Corporate America" was doing before the Elections and During the Elections, in Violation of US Law, McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act. And yet, most of you being TOO LAZY Refused to even bother to Research who President Obama's Buddy, "Mr. Corporate America" is, and still TOO LAZY.

Substance not Popularity, Facts not Opinions, Logic not Emotions, Experience not Academic Idealism, Truth not Political Correctness, Results not Excuses, etc..

So now all of you can witness what I had previously copied, saved, from the previous Elections about:

WOW!

I would ask WTF you're raving about... but... that would indicate I give a @!$%#!

Bidden is the best unpaid spokesperson for the GOP there is.

As much as they try and suppress it, every once in a while the truth leaks out of the Obama administration. You can bet the country will be hearing you didn't build that, and the middle class has been buried the last four years in living rooms all across the nation as this is some great campaign fodder.

"He’s No. 2 on the ticket, but No. 1 in their hearts. Women born before the Baby Boom generation seem to have a collective crush on a handsome vice presidential candidate with piercing blue eyes and a wide smile who likes to talk about government benefits for seniors. No, not Paul Ryan."

For a minute there, I thought you were talking about that former Senator the Democrats wanted us to vote for in 2004. You know, the one who very few women think much of now? How come he is so reviled and Slick Willie is such a hero to Democrats?

What the 47% does not like about Romney is he will find them a job and lose their spot in the welfare line Obama got them.

Ha Ha When Romney left Mass as Governor he had reduced their unemployment rate to 4%.

Obama notes that on his website though it is worded a little different. Goes something like this,

When Mitt Romney left Massachusetts they were last in job creation.

No Duh Barack! Mitt had them all working!!

FORWARD???????

Biden is proof that Obama's plan is just 'More Of The Same'

Can't wait for the debates to shut the libretards up!

Romney/Ryan... because we can't afford another month of the Blunder-in-Chiefs faux leadership... let alone another 4 YEARS! Send the bum packing!

Chuck,

You sound bitter, disappointed and filled with hate. Oh, you're a Republican, that's natural. So tell me Chuck how did you feel when your candidate called you a deadbeat with a victim complex who pays no taxes and clings to his government handouts? Must of been tough, huh?

Well, don't worry Chuck, good times are coming.

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When Romney peed on 47% of us, it was excused by calling it 'inarticulate'. Joe obviously could also have picked better verbage. I would say that in the last four years the middle class has shouldered the burden of pulling us out of the worst mess since the Depression.

The Wrongme/Lyin' team immediately jumps on this, like they do for any domestic or foreign issue, and tries to wring any political mileage they can out of it. Of course, they conveniently omit the part about January 19, 2009, when Party Boy Bush was cheerfully waving goodbye to everyone and throwing parties. We lost between half a million and three quarters of a million jobs that month. Same with the next month.

The selective memories of the guys that did this to our country is revolting.

unfortunately, Chuck, these "idiots" are going to take us down with them but as long as they're picking the taxpayers pocket to get the free O goodies they could care less. Hand full of gimmee and a mouth full of gimmee more!

starder - "When Romney peed on 47% of us,"

And what percent of Americans did Obama "pee on" when he claimed they "clinged to their guns and Bibles"?

P.S.

We're not surprised you see yourself as a victim, it's what Democrats are taught to do... a self-fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one.

pjam09:

None. He may have offended some people, but his point in that discussion was how to reach them, how to get their vote. You may think he didn't understand them, but he was in fact trying to. That's a hell of a lot different than Romney pissing on half of America whom he calls irresponsible, and has written off as unreachable.

Starderup - Of course, they conveniently omit the part about January 19, 2009, when Party Boy Bush was cheerfully waving goodbye to everyone and throwing parties. We lost between half a million and three quarters of a million jobs that month. Same with the next month.

How about this Starderupyou learn to do a Causative Timeline.

US Economy: Starting with Candidate Obama preaching his "Tax the Rich", "Rich Pay Their Fair Share". So even before he became President the Rich Foreignand US Business Investors started to leave the US to India, Vietnam, China, etc. anywhere but the US; thru their Rich Elitist Buddies of the Electoral College they already knew that Candidate Obama would be President. At the Beginning of 2008 the Richest Person in the World was already getting ready to leave the US due to Candidate Obama's "Tax The Rich", "Rich Pay Their Fair Share" adding to the Credit Crisis of the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc. after the US Laws that made Illegal the Causes of previous Depressions were eliminated in 1999-2000.

Without these Rich Foreign and US Business Investors the First to get hit were the Retail and their workers, as being the "canary in the coal mine", same as previous Depressions. CompUSA, Sears, K Mart, Circuit City, Borders Books, etc.. This then migrated to the Distributors, and finally the Manufacturers. Eventually, the Credit Crisis (lack of Business Investors and Backers) hit all of the US Economy, just like the previous Depressions.

Starderup - The selective memories of the guys that did this to our country is revolting.

Yes, it is. You need to learn to live like a Fourth World Somalis with NO Resources:

After President Obama's March 2009 Iran Policy (Appeasement, instead of being appeased the Ayatollahs of Iran got more aggressive believing that President Obama was negotiating from a position of Defeat). The Results:

Iraq: The US War of President Clinton's US Law, H.R. 4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Justification, Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction, Section 3 US Policy the Overthrow of President Hussein (aka Regime Change), becomes US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom.

The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran tells the Islamic Shia Government No More Negotiations with President Obama nor SOS Clinton for the US to remain at Iraq, and must adhere to the President Bush Iraq Withdrawal Timetable. President Obama's Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA, warns President Obama about what is happening. President Obama withdraws all "Combat Units" and replaces them with "Non Combat Units" trained as Combat Units, this is unacceptable to the Iraqis, the US Military are withdrawn to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (not the home to the US). After the US Military is out of Iraq, the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran tells the Islamic Shia Government that they must negotiate with Iran's Allies for the Iraqis Oil, the Chinese and Russian Federation. The US and US Allies lose all the Iraqis Oil that could have paid for the US Military Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil. This loss makes the Libyan Oil of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies.

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

Afghanistan: With the success of Iraq the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran can concentrate completely on Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran pressures the Afghans to negotiate the High Tech Mineral Wealth of Afghanistan with Iran's Ally the Chinese, China Metalurgical Group. These High Tech Minerals are Required for the current US High Tech Standard of Living and the Future US Alternative Energy. China places Export Restrictions to the US and US Allies on these High Tech Minerals.

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

Pakistan: With the success of Afghanistanthe Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran tells the US Ally Pakistanis Government that if they do not have all US Bases out of Pakistan they will support the Islamic People to Overthrow the US Ally Established Government of Pakistan. The Loss of US Bases at Pakistan.

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

Kurdistan: With success of Iraq, the Fundamentalist Islamic ShiaRepublic of Iran increases their covert Special Forces, Quds, training, funding, arming of the hundreds of thousands of Islamic Jihadists from Worldwide at the Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis AutonomousRegion of Northern Iraq, Syria, Southern Turkey, Northwestern Iran. These Islamic Jihadists are trained in Asymmetric Warfare to Overthrow the US and US Allies Established Governments, like the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood, Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada International Franchises, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Sheebah, Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters, Fundamentalist Islamic Chenhen Foreign Fighters, Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis Taliban, etc. (long list from US Department of State).

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

Egypt: The Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood before the Overthrow of the US Ally's Established Government aka "Egyptian Revolution" make deals with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran to get Strategic Access to the Suez Canal (US and US Allies will have to go the long way around Africa), Mediterranean Ports, closer locations to attack US Ally Israel, closer logistics support to the Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Warlords of Gaza and Palestine, closer location to attack former US Ally President Gaddaffi the Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers.

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

Libya: As stated before about the Islamic Jihadists being trained at the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region, these Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists Groups are detected by former US Ally President Gaddaffi's Military before the Libyan Civil War: Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. President Gaddaffi like the President of Egypt is screaming for help, President Obama ignores him. The Islamic Jihadists wait at the Libyan Military Depot Hight Razma facility on the eastern outskirts of Benghazi to seize weapons, ammunition, etc. from the warehouse sized "bunkers". They then went to the 35-bunker facility on the eastern outskirts of Ajdabiyah.

The US and US European Allies lose the Strategic Libyan Oil to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Ally, the Chinese, 20,000 portable shoulder launched SA-7 anti aircraft missiles are seized to use against US Commerical Aircraft, the President Obama Islamic Jihadist Guantanamo Prisoners transfered to President Gaddaffi's Prisons are released. The Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group becomes the New Government of Libya. The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group were those Islamic Libyan Foreign Fighters killing US Military at Iraq.

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

Alternative Energy: The Federal Subsidizes for the Next Generation Safer Nuclear Reactors to replace the Unsafe 1980s US Nuclear Reactors are removed and given to Vice President Biden's fictitious "Clean Coal". The Federal Subsidizes to implement the Brazil Alternative Energy and Fuel (liquid) Solution are removed and given to the President Obama Illinois Corn Lobby (Corn to Ethanol, the Mexican Government protests as corn to ethanol makes corn meal unaffordable.).

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

US Military: Only 1% of US Citizens Serving in the US Military. 92% of US Citizens NEVER Served in the US Military (just like a virgin writing a book about sex with the opposite sex, or someone that never rode a bicycle or drove a vehicle writing a "Expert How To Book").

2012 President Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta, "A (US) Defense Budget Cut of 10% will result in a Million (US) Civilians being Unemployed". President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered the current Reduction In Forces of 90,000 US Military and the layoffs of 108,000 US Civilians employed by the US Military. President Obama previous submitted a President's Proposal to US Congress demanding a 11% Automatic US Defense Budget Cut.

President Obama's Praise of the US Military as, 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

US Congress: President Obama's Lame Excuse of "Obstructionist" US Congress; as if he wanted to be held 100% Responsible and 100% Accountable he can do as he did before, keep clicking "next":

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

Constitutional Rights: President Obama in January 21, 2009 signed into US Laws his Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws) that Eliminated US Citizens Constitutional Rights. President Obama shown during a staged news media event January 22, 2009 signing his Patriot Acts, 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE

To close a loop hole in his Patriot Acts, 2012 President Obama signs his NDAA, Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens, this is ruled Illegal, and is currently under appeal by President Obama, and President Obama is using "Executive Privilage" to not verify that this is still not going on while pending appeal:

Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY

OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT.

Obama did a lot in past 4 years to align with Bush, such as Patriot Acts, Bush tax cut and government spending, to name a few.

if Dems still want to blame Bush for everything, then blame on Obama, because he is the one who keeps Bush policies alive and well.

don't we got enough Bush and Obama now?

yeah, cellisis, you've got a point. Obama is what I would consider a center-right president, which is not what I hoped for, certainly. He did, however, stand his ground against the far-right extremists which so many deep-red pockets of America sent to Washington to counteract what they've been told are his 'unAmerican' and 'socialist' policies. The extremists said, of course, that they were going to change Washington, but they ended up trying their best to force their bizarre religious values on the rest of us, so I am grateful we had somebody opposing them. I personally don't believe that Romney is as far-right as he's tried to come across, but he has very much convinced me that he will not stand against the extremists in his party, so I think it is very important now to keep Obama in the White House.

echo, I bet it is worth it when she sees how it gets your panties in a wad and sets your hair on fire.

twoann- the 47% also includes our veterans; seniors who have paid into the system; the working poor; -people who are not getting "handouts" but have paid into the system. They are victims of the obstructionist Republicans in Congress who put their hatred of Obama ahead of their job for the country. The Republicans have hurt the middle class and no one else. Your post is disingenuous at best and a total lie at worst. My guess is the latter! It's the GOP way - lie! Lie! Lie!

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I typed too fast, twoann---Mitt has written off the 47% who don't pay income taxes and assumed they are all unwilling to take responsibility for their economic conditions. Shows his ignorance of the tax law and why some people don't pay any taxes but more, it showed that he doesn't understand how people can take complete responsibility for their lives and yet not earn enough taxable income to be subject to the federal income tax (although they undoubtedly pay other taxes).

twoann

Did you actually watch the GOP primary debates? They stood in a circle and killed each other. It was a farce. As far as destruction of the middle class, that was started years ago ... all the way back to Reagan.

Twoann

You missed the part where Mitt Romney claims 47% of the American public cannot be convinced to take responsibility for their lives.

(Note: the 47% of Americans who do not pay federal taxes include veterans, retirees, low income folks who nevertheless fill necessary jobs that don't pay well, like working in nursing homes, on farms, and Walmart, and several hundred multi-millionaires with enough deductions to not pay income tax.)

Amy, your words not Mitts. Always interesting to see drones put their idea of what the candidate said in words. They always add descriptive or misleading words of their own or change the meaning of the comments so that it fits their hatefull thoughts. You liberals are funny. And to the Fisty's and Bev's on this site, shouldn't you be waiting for your mom to pick you up from kindergarden about now. This president and vice president are disasters. They act like the Republicans are still holding the presidency and its all their fault. Joe, remember its the Democracts that have held the vast majority of power for the last 4 years.

Sane- clearly you're not - sane - that is.; The vast "majority of power?" Let's see the Republicans in Congress have filibustered more than any other time in history in order to keep the economy from improvingl.

As you and the other righties prove daily, no matter how much I seek, there is clearly no sanity in the Republican party!

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twoann ...

Romney can make jobs and get the middle class back and bring some of the poor into the middle class again...

Are you NUTS???? Romney can "make" jobs???? out of what? Thin air? And he's going to bring everybody up to his understanding of the middle class - $200 - $250 K jobs???? Wow!

In the meantime back in the real world, I trust the President to slowly and steadily bring this country out of the decline the GOP put us in.

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Layton, I am glad to see you are paying attention. Wrongme uses circular logic. It sounds reasonable, but it is false.

1. Fix the economy
2. Cut taxes
3. Lower the deficit
4. Create jobs

His first task is immense, but evidently so easy he does not want to reveal it, because some 8th grader will do it and beat him to the punch. Everything is predicated upon his magical, undemonstrated ability as a businessman.

He wants to cut taxes. Novel approach for a politician.

He also wants to lower the deficit. He seems not to understand that when you volunteer for a pay cut, your household debt remains the same. Actually, it might go up because you have lowered your own credit rating.

Lastly, jobs. Yes, Romney says he is a job creator. He was not at his one and only job in the private sector. Bain did hostile takeovers, and more than 25% of those companies went bankrupt. Bain profited on all those harvested. In his other job (that makes 2 jobs in his whole life), Massachusetts dropped from #37 to #47 in new jobs.

This guy doesn't have a leg to stand on. He claims that his tax cuts will be revenue neutral, but somehow is going to fix the economy, close some unspecified loopholes, create jobs out of thin air, and the sun will come out. It sounds too good to be true, because it isn't.

Sane America:

Nobody's acting like the republicans still hold the presidency, but nobody's unclear about the worst economic meltdown since the great depression - which happened just prior to Obama taking office - and the dramatic effects of that.

Sorry guys, but the Great Depression was never blamed on FDR, and the Great Recession will never be blamed on Barack Obama, no matter how hard you try. The historical record says Herbert Hoover and George W. Bush respectively.

Not even Mitt Romney is dishonest enough to say that Obama didn't turn the economy around. The only question is whether he could have done it faster. There's your argument. You have to contend that another economic policy could have done a better job at the turnaround. The big problem is that the only economic policies touted by either Romney or Ryan is trickle-down, which is precisely the economic policies which Bush had in place when the economy fell off a cliff.

So, essentially, you have to convince the public to risk dropping the economy off a cliff again, for the potential reward of seeing a slightly faster economic recovery. Good luck with that. I, for one, don't believe the public is quite so stupid as to fall for that argument.

Biden is right and its no reflection Obama. The middle class been hit the hardest by this recession while the earning power of top wage earners has risen significantly. This is no reflection on the current president as this economic meltdown had been brewing for a long time prior to his taking office.

I personally don't think any president or candidate can solve our economic problems in just 4 years when they have to contend with a legislative branch that refuses to do the jobs they were elected to do. That goes for both the democrats and especially the republican majority.

It's almost like they'll anything to oppose our current president even to the point of letting this country slide down a slippery slope to 2nd class status. No jobs legislation, no inferstructure legislation, no nothing and since they're the only game in town we're forced to vote for the lesser of two evils in both parties.

Welcome back Feisty, I missed you.

Thanks Jeanne!

It's good to be home! ☺

You, two, should get a room.

Sort of pathetic that a place where all you do is spew hatred and bile feels like home to you. Then again it is someone else's and you get it so its in line with Progressive beliefs.

Bush is no longer president. So Biden is referring to Obama.

Obama was elected almost 4 years ago and the tax cuts are 10 years old so we know he was being honest and meant Obama. As a Progressive you wouldn't know that we've had a Presidential election every four years for awhile now. Obama was elected in 2008 and its now 2012. Use your welfare check to buy a cheap calculator and do the math.

Jeff - and Obama didn't actually take office until 1/20/2009. Perhaps your welfare calculator is defective - or your mind?

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Jeff,

You mean two tax cuts. Both allegedly to stimulate economic growth after the .com bubble burst. Two rounds of stimulus for a tiny little recession (compared to the 2008-2009 recession.

Obama got one round of stimulus which ended the recession. The 2nd round of stimulus would have kept growth at between 3 and 4% until the housing market recovered. The TEA PARTY blocked the 2nd round of cuts, although Paul Ryan and his co-conspirators (from inauguration day) surely would have tried to block it like they tried to bock the 1st round of stimulus.

I remember in mid 2008, the Republicans pushed through a stimulus plan that did not change the trajectory of the recession. $1000 per family in a lump sum (the most inefficient form of stimulus there is). Much of this stimulus went to savings and the rest went to higher gas prices (result of rich around the world speculating for profit on rising oil prices). And the economy continued on its downward trajectory until reaching -8.5% growth in 4th quarter 2008 (800,000 unemployed per month).

Shaak

I remember in mid 2008, the Republicans pushed through a stimulus plan that did not change the trajectory of the recession

Wrong. First of all, The Democrats were running both houses of congress, not the Republicans. Second, It was Fed Chairman Bernanke that called for the stimulus, and the bill went through by the blessing of both parties.

What really sticks out like a sore thumb is Bernanke. He is calling for stimulus, when the real problem was that banks were pulling back on lending to businesses as their asset portfolio's began to shrink from the decreasing value of real estate. This decrease in value began in 2007 as the rate of mortgage failures began to climb causing homes to go unsold. Asset to loan ratio is what makes banks able to loan.

Bernanke should be fired for incompetence.

yea so? why did repuks controlling congress punt this budget into next year? political game is my guess.

www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/deeper-recession-imminent-if-congress-doesnt-act-on-fiscal-cliff-cbo-report/2012/08/22/0da7a07a-ec60-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html

Why doesn't Harry Reid get off his butt and do some work???? He's the one punting EVERYTHING until after the election....why???

because congress is on vacation. again. 5 weeks or so.

this news article made me laugh. I can't believe that camp finally said something true. Has Hell froze over??

Oh come now Chris! Did you just come out of a coma? Repuks omg, how bout we ain't had a budget since the dem-no-nuts took office. By the way FYI: you can attach to lower dems or top dem... You figered out the game.. Wow.

Why doesn't Harry Reid get off his butt and do some work????

Reid has kept the Senate busy at work trying to avert the 'fiscal cliff', unlike lazy irresponsible Boehner, the GOPTP leader of the House, who closed up shop and went home on an extended vacation.

Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem to pay their taxes. Republicans make it sound like Democrats invented taxation.

I am very sorry a couple making a million a year don't "feel like" paying $4,500 more a year to live free of want, free from fear, with freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but you know, that's how it goes. Freedom ain't free.

To Amy:

You said I am very sorry a couple making a million a year don't "feel like" paying $4,500 more a year to live free of want, free from fear, with freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but you know, that's how it goes. Freedom ain't free.

You reelect the current jackass and he will continue to destroy just those freedoms you suggest you support! He started the job and will finish it when, in his words, "I will have more flexibility after the election." God help us.

Downtown Julie Brown.

You mislead.

You are talking about the fiscal cliff budget your VP candidate Paul Ryan called a great achievement of bipartisanship. It is a temporary budget bill designed to placate those darn tea party "stop the government " types. It will be replaced by another more realistic budget since this one was intended to be unacceptable to every member of Congress which it is.

This fiscal cliff budget will also cut numerous programs, some favored by Democrats and some favored by Republicans and some favored by both parties.

According to the CBO.

If all the cuts are not renewed we can expect to lose 3.5 million jobs.

If the just the 1%er's cuts aren't renewed we will lose 700,000 jobs.

What the Democrats and Obama are saying is that 700,000 jobs don't matter. They do to the 700,000 who lose their jobs. 700,000 jobs lost would increase joblessness from 8.1% to 8.6%.

Obamacare is the largest single tax increase in the history of the country

Wow, didn't realize Limbaugh was still paying his minions to post this debunked garbage.

Debunked? Um...Isn't the Prez himself calling it a tax now 'cause SCOTUS said that's what it was? didn't realize Soros's minions were still trolling...

didn't realize Soros's minions were still trolling...

Ah, what's the matter little boy, having a hard time finding a Soros talking point the liberals are supposedly trolling?

Chesty - as usual, you radical righties refuse to admit the obstructionist Republicans in Congress are the root of the problem. Had they actually done their JOBS, the economy would be better and everyone would benefit.

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Obama had a Democratically-controlled Congress during his first 2 years. I guess you mean that Obama hasn't done his job.

Democrats took control of Congress on January 3, 2007, under Bush and the unemployment rate was 4.6% then. They managed to use their control to get it up to 8% and as an added benefit in the first 4 months of Democratic control of Congress the NASDAQ fell 46%. Bush gets some blame and the Democratic party and their voters get the majority.

Billy - please read slowly as this is posted at least once a week. President Obama had a filibuster proof congress a scant 44 days due to Ted Kennedy being ill and recesses. After that the Republicans in Congress filibustered his proposals more than ever in the history of the country. Do you understand now?

I know we'll have to repost this again next week for some idiot on the right!

Jeff - when Bush left office we were losing 900,000 jobs a month. Get a clue!

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seeking insanity

So what? Other presidents have had to deal with Congresses that they considered 'difficult,' yet there was always compromise when the president demonstrates leadership and engages members of Congress. Obama has been anything but engaging.

And, yes, Bush has left office. So, who's in charge? Obama has stated that this is his economy. And by anyone's measure, this economy sucks.

Billy so now that you've been proved to be totally ignorant you want to try something different? No other President has had the opposing party vow to do whatever it took - to hell with the country - to make them a one-term President. The fact that you defend treason by the Republicans says it all about you!

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Again seeking insanity

Both Reagan and Clinton had very difficult Congresses to deal with.

Yet both did engage and move the country forward. Even Clinton understands that Obama is not right for the job.

No one has to 'vow' to make Obama a one-term president to know that he has failed miserably in his first term. Just ask 23M unemployed Americans. Ask the millions who have lost their homes. Ask the middle class who have been buried. Ask Joe Biden.

Joe Scarborough said it best when he said that when Clinton took office he told a Clinton aid he totally despised the man. Clinton's aid said, 'don't worry, he can't stand you either." But, Joe said that didn't keep them from working together for the good of the country - something the current Republicans have refused to do. Republicans in Congress have failed miserably and held the country hostage to their juvenile "win at all costs" mentality.

You have no one to blame but your own treasonous party!

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Again and again seeking insanity

You just proved my point. Clinton worked with a Congress that had many who despised him. Reagan did the same. The key is 'worked with Congress.' Obama hasn't and has failed miserably.

SeekingSanity. You obviously don't understand what a filibuster is. I don't recall even a single filibuster, much less than "ever in history'! Quit pretending you know what you talk about.

rmn8351 - I know precisely what a filibuster is though clearly you don't. There have been more by Republicans than any other time in history. The fact that you don't recall them means you're not paying attention!

You truly need to get a clue!

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I wish you success in finding your sanity, but please don't inflict your insanity on us..

You want to see stupid watch the Democratic voters answering questions, I'm surprised they could even find a voting booth

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+voters+asked+questions&oq=obama+voters&gs_l=youtube.1.1.0l10.181.2449.0.4452.11.8.0.3.3.0.107.752.5j3.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.7nSTNeqoxUM

My wife votes for the pro-life candidate which is now usually a Republican because unlike Progressives she isn't the type to just kill someone else.

viknat - you want to post youtube videos and think that represents anything? Get a life!

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SeekingSanity whats up you saw yourself in the video

viknat - no but I'm guessing you're well represented there!

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Lady Jag -

Anybody voting republican must have stupid written on their foreheads, you say?

So very glad that you think the last four years have been such a roaring success, but unfortunately for you that is incorrect - in fact, the last four years have been a roaring disaster that just keeps getting worse

So if not wanting things to get worse makes me stupid, then I guess guilty as charged. But, I dont think it is stupid to think that ongoing disastrous unemployment is bad, the massive debt is bad, that Obamacare is bad, and that the lying and lack of transparency from DC is bad as well.

Sorry Seekingsanity they are Democrats being represented by the videos, try again this time look in a mirror

now usually a Republican because unlike Progressives she isn't the type to just kill someone else.

Kill someone? WTF? Pro Choice doesn't mean that crap. Get real it just leave the choice up to the women who are pregnant if they what to have a baby or not.

Republicans are Pro Life? Really? Yeah until you're out of the womb than all bets are off. Death Penalty, Carpet Bombing, using false intelligence to invade countries... That's what I call killing.

Yep. GOP is against helping single mothers and poor families... WIC? Ah who needs it? Welfare? No assistance for you! Food Stamps? You're just going to sell them for drugs! Medicaid? Are their no Emergency Rooms?

GOP - Ebeneezer Scrooge on steroids.

Lady Jag - not to burst your bubble or do your civic duty message, but the truth of the matter is NOT A SINGLE VOTE MATTERS. You see, thanks to that thing called the Electoral College, we American Voters DO NOT have an equal say in who is elected. You see states with a large population have MORE OF A SAY, like California, New York, ect than say a state like Montana, or Hawaii, or even Alaska. Then you have what they call "battle ground states". And exactly why in the hell is that, if the American Voter really mattered. You see, without the Electoral College EVERY VOTE would be important. EVERYONE would have a fair and equal say (the very basic tennent of a DEMOCRACY). No instead what we have is unequal representation, and most certainly NONE OF THE ELECTORATES are obliged to vote to the will of the state. In fact, some states can split the EC vote. So that leaves you to believe that there are certainly many Americans that are disenfranchised by our system. So why in the hell should we waste our time going to the polls, when the decisions have been made elsewhere anyhow. If you doubt this, explain how someone can be elected as President and LOOSE THE POPULAR VOTE. That my dear IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, but a rigged THEOCRACY in which the rich govern, the middle class suffers, and the poor, well lets just say mud on the boots of those theocrats have a higher standing...

I think it is more than about time WE ALL STARTED DEMANDING THE DEMOCRACY that is waved in our faces, and stop settling for the scraps from Washington's table...

viknat - you wish. I could post a video of hillbillies in Tennessee and say it represents all Republicans - and I'd be closer to the truth! My guess is you'd definitely show up!

You're truly an idiot!

Will- EVERY single vote counts. That's where the state totals come from which determines Electorial College votes.

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@Devie - not to single out your ignorance, but I have heard the same Pro Life/Pro Death Penalty argument many times now, and I think a bit of education on the philosophy behind that argument will shed some light, and perhaps get people to start thinking a bit more deeply about the subject than the political bullsht that has us all snapping at each other like a bunch of half starved hounds squabbling over a spill garbage can.

The right to life notion involving a fetus is really an argument of morality and social conscience. You see a fetus, that is a "human life" (in my humble opinion i.e. has a heart beat), has NOT made any choices for itself. It has NOT had an opportunity to take a breath, know love, know failure, heartache, success, or even experience daylight. It has NOT made the conscious choices those of us that have been birthed have done. On the other side, the PRO DEATH stance entails accountability, responsibility, and punishment for conscious choices. Choices that have been made with little to no regard for the life, the sanctity, or respect of other human beings. You see UNLIKE a FETUS, A DEATH ROW CON has experienced "life". The Con has had the opportunity to either be a positive influence on society. The CON has been afforded the chances of those things we seem to take for granted. Now while we can talk about a mother's right to her body and such, I personally believe an abortion is NEVER just another method of birth control.

You see, here again it boils down to choices. Birth control, that is the use of condoms, medications, and even abstinence are all choices that responsible people should be exercising in preventing an unwanted pregnancy. Now while I certainly agree that things like rape, incest, and even a threat to the life of the mother deserve consideration, the number of abortions for THOSE TYPES of instances is a hell of a lot lower than the "spread your legs and deal with the consequences later" mentality. You see, in my humble view, IF a woman does not want to get pregnant, she should take measures to ensure that doesn't happen to start with, i.e. the pill, rubbers, abstinance. And the same things goes for men. If you don't want to accept the financial burden, or the responsibility of parenting a child, then use contraception. And truthfully, the responsibility of contraceptives does not sit solely on a woman's shoulders. But let's be honest here. If a woman does not want to get pregnant, she should demand the use of contraception. Guys this means no glove, no love. And ladies, don't misunderstand me here. But really, a box of condoms costs roughly 5 to 6 bux for a box of 12, or roughly 35 - 50 cents a piece. IF the guy you are with does not think enough of you to spend that .35-.50 for your tryst, then truthfully, why are you spreadin' your legs for a scumbag like that?

Bottom line is, a FETUS is innocent of committing a crime, whereas a Death Row Con has made the choice to destroy the lives of others... Pro Life and Pro Choice all at the same time...

Sorry but you are wrong Sanity... IF every vote counted, explain:

Four presidents that took office without winning the popular vote. In other words, they did not receive a plurality in terms of the popular vote. They were elected, instead, by the electoral college or in the case of John Quincy Adams by the House of Representatives after a tie in the electoral votes. They were:

• John Quincy Adams who lost by 44,804 votes to Andrew Jackson in 1824
• Rutherford B. Hayes who lost by 264,292 votes to Samuel J. Tilden in 1876
• Benjamin Harrison who lost by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland in 1888
• George W. Bush who lost by 543,816 votes to Al Gore in the 2000 election.

THUS NOT EVERY VOTE COUNTS...

Furthermore,

Electors are often chosen to recognize service and dedication to their political party. They may be State-elected officials, party leaders, or persons who have a personal or political affiliation with the Presidential candidate. There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States, however, require Electors to cast their votes
according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties.

No Legal Requirement
Electors in these States are not bound by State Law to cast their vote for a specific candidate:

Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and West Virginia.

Therefore, NOT ALL VOTES are Equal. And the EC Representatives ARE NOT unbiased, having been selected from PARTY or POLITICAL CANDIDATE Lists...

Will - they count at the state levell. The popular vote of each state determines where the electorial votes will go. I know what you're saying but to get to the electiorial votes - each state's votes matter a great deal.

I would love to do away with the electorial college. Maybe in time!

Which is Sanity exactly WHY votes DO NOT MATTER. Let me spell this out for you since you apparently don't get it.

In the Case of Say Montana we have 1 million population and only 3 EC votes. Vermont 636,000 population and 3 EC Votes. Now if for example all 1 million people vote Republican in Montana the republican candidate gets 3 EC Votes. IF 400,000 in Vermont vote Democrat, the Democrat gets 3 EC Votes, so essentially a tie, even though 1 MILLION 236 THOUSAND VOTES were Republican, the DEMOCRAT is on equal footing in the Electoral College with 400,000 Popular votes. THEREFORE, NOT ALL VOTES MATTER.

Case in Point #2: On ANY given Presidential Election how many times do you see a news agency declaring a winner of the state when only 25% of the votes are in, or 15% of precencts are reporting, or in the case of Florida, with 15 counties reporting so and so is projected to be the winner. SO NO, NOT ALL VOTES ARE EQUAL, NOR DO THE OTHERS MATTER.

Case in Point #3: On a number of elections, the polls have NOT even closed and winners are being projected. So tell me exactly HOW those that are currently at the polls even matter, or those on thier way to the polls should even bother. AND THIS - pay attention on this next election and SEE for yourself - is how they "count" at the state level and are EQUAL SAY? My ass all votes are equal.

IF all votes were equal there would NEVER be a president elected without the MAJORITY of the POPULAR VOTE. Understand the word NEVER, because EVERY VOTE THEN WOULD MATTER. There wouldn't be a battle ground state, because every vote would be precious.

In fact, it is possible for a candidate to not get a single person's vote -- not one -- in 39 states or the District of Columbia, yet be elected president by wining the popular vote in just 11 of these 12 states:

California
New York
Texas
Florida
Pennsylvania
Illinois
Ohio
Michigan
New Jersey
North Carolina
Georgia
Virginia

There are 538 total votes in the Electoral College and a presidential candidate must win a majority -- 270 -- electoral votes to be elected. Since 11 of the 12 states in the chart above account for exactly 270 votes, a candidate could win these states, lose the other 39, and still be elected. SO HOW DOES EVERY VOTE COUNT?

Many electors are not bounded by the vote of their state. People are technically voting to select these mostly unknown electors assuming they will support the candidate they said they would, but there is no guarantee. Theoretically a large group of rogue electors could ignore the election results and effectively stage a legal coup. And there would be NOTHING that could be done about it, since the Electors are NOT legally bound to cast votes that mirror the population wishes.

@Will,

Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I'm pro-abortion. It means I against you or anyone else telling women how to control their bodies. It's not between you or the government or any other right to lifer. It's between the woman and God. I hope that's clear enough for you and the rest of the right to lifers.

Birth control? Uh oh... Many people at the church I attend and am a member of, (What you go to church and believe in God? Holy Sacrilege!!!!) believe that the pill is a form of abortion. The abstinence is best crap. Yeah we see how that's working.

The thing that pisses me off the most about the right to life crowd is they support a party that does NOTHING to help the poor and the single mothers. Like I said they are all to gung ho about cut social programs like WIC, Food Stamps, Welfare and Medicaid that was put in place to help them. Oh but don't you dare touch the Holy Grail of Defense spending. God only knows we need to build more bombs and guns. Just how much is spent on defense? Just for the DOD it's 707. 5 BILLION dollars. Total Defense Budget $1.030–$1.415 TRILLION! That is just for 2012. Now that's money well spent (snark). Without community support what are their choices?

I believe Clinton got it right, abortions should be "safe, legal and rare." Rare being the operative word.

Every vote does count. Maybe for your argument's sake It doesn't at the federal level. But all federal elections are settled at the local level. So in my opinion they do! The Electoral College was set up to let state legislatures choose the candidate that their state wants to support. This was done to give smaller states an even playing field.

In 2000 Al Gore lost the election because he didn't carry his home state of Tennessee not because he lost of Florida or Ohio.

1824 Henry Clay struck a deal to his support to Adams and made a deal that swung the House vote to Adams and the Secretary of State position to himself. Jackson didn't have a majority in the Electoral College so it goes to the House of Representatives. That pesky Constitution!

1876? Hayes lost but won through a back door deal that promised the Southern State that Reconstruction would be lifted. Again Tilden didn't have majority in the Electoral College.

1888? Cleveland did carry his home state of New York and he lost in the Electoral College. He lost because he couldn't carry his home state.

So get out and vote! State and local elections are very important! That is how you win at the federal level. Get involved at the local level make yourself heard!

BTW Are you trying to dissuade voters? If so, stop it!

VOTE! Because every vote does count!

No Devie I am not trying to dissuade. I am trying to educate. The electoral college is a joke. Not all votes are equal in weight. In my attempt to get you and others to understand I am apparently NOT getting the message acrossed. So let me spell this out.

There are ONLY 12 states that truly matter. California, New York, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia A candidate only needs to win 11 of these 12 states via the electoral college to win the election.

Now think about that. Candidate A wins all 12 of these states. Candidate B wins the other 38 states. NOW Candidate A wins the election, even though 3/4s of the country DOES NOT vote for Candidate A, and Candidate B has a resounding win in Popular vote. SO tell me just how the votes of people in those 38 other states and A Person's Vote in these other 12 states are EQUAL? They are NOT.

Understand this - Under the Electoral College System IF you live in these 12 states, your say carries more weight (thus candidates ONLY REALLY NEED TO APPEAL to the desires of these states). It is a simple look at math. To further PROVE THIS POINT TO YOU, have a look at this link. CNN Election Predictions.

According to this map, Obama has 14 states, Romney has 20 states that are considered SAFE. YET, current tally gives Obama 237 EC Votes to Romney's 191. AND YET, clearly the 6 extra states DON"T AMOUNT TO SHT. So tell me, just how is the votes of these people EQUAL? They are not. So in all reality, if you live in California (55 EC VOTES), you are MORE IMPORTANT (EC Wise) than someone that lives in TEXAS (38 Votes), Oklahoma (7 EC Votes), and Kansas (6 EC Votes) combined- Meaning if TX, OK, and KS were all 1 state, they would only have (51 EC Votes). So Certainly Votes in THOSE STATES are NOT MATHEMATICALLY EQUAL to someone living in California.

Do you get my gist now? There should NEVER be a person elected that DOES NOT HAVE THE COMPLETE POPULAR VOTE. Thus, all votes are NOT EQUAL when it comes to the Electoral College. The Presidential RACE - that is the LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY of 50 STATES - can be voted into OFFICE by only the desires of 11 states. NOW how are we equal? And ultimately how important is my vote when I don't live in any of the Big 12?

And Devie, before you bash Defense Spending, understand this. WITHOUT A STRONG MILITARY, WITHOUT THAT DETERRENCE, we would not enjoy the freedoms we do. After WW2 we would either be part of Germany or Japan. Or hell for that matter we would be a territory of ANY OTHER COUNTRY that set it's sights on this chunk of earth we call home.

I do not dispute there is some fat in the defense budget. BUT you also need to realize PART of that defense budget has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MILITARY. Part of that budget that falls under defense is called NATION BUILDING, called FOREIGN AID, also called JOINT SERVICES DEFENSE (which does NOT Mean just US FORCES - but also includes our committment to NATO, and other countries that we have JOINT DEFENSE TREATIES with).

Having served 21 years in the military, I have had the opportunity to work on the budget of just my unit. Now here is where I can say there is fat and waste. Did you know that military units are allocated just a set amount of money. IF they don't need all that money THIS YEAR and don't spend it, but need that amount NEXT YEAR, they MUST SPEND (waste) money this year, so that they have the funds for the following year. In my unit - for example - we had a budget of 178k. We needed to replace some war ready material, cover maint cost of vehicles, gas, TDYs, training, and other necessary things. (Yes - before you ask the military pays for gas for those trucks, tanks, ect.) They also pay for airlift to TDYs - commercial flights, and cover lodging costs and provide a "per diem" to cover expenses on those TDYs. (Temporary Duty Assignments). Now in my 1st year of dealing with that budget, everything we needed was 158k, leaving 20k "surplus". However, we forcasted that in year 2 that in order to just meet mission requirements we needed 190k or basically a deficit of 12k. WE could not carry over that 20K as a balance to offset the 12k deficit for year 2. And in fact, if we didn't spend that 20k in year 1, our 178k budget funds for year 2 would have only been 158k, essentially creating a deficit for year 2 of 32k. Military budgeting is NOT as clear cut as you might think. So when you see or hear about that Heaven Forbid Defense Spending, keep in mind there is a hell of a lot more to the soup, than just the broth.

Correlation is not causation. It's a logical fallacy we see multiple times daily in politics, but it bears repeating. Just because there is a correlation between two existing things, that doesn't imply that one thing caused the other. The classic example is snapping your fingers to keep the tigers away. I don't see any tigers, so it works.

In other words, VP Biden never claimed that Obama was responsible for the decline of the middle class; he was stating a fact before predicting Romney's failure at fixing it. One can just as easily imply causation from the House majority GOP, or Greece, or snapping your fingers.

Last I heard Obama locked him in the closet, I guess he escaped

The dude locked in the closet was a reporter who was at a fund raiser at a private home in Florida and "Mensa" Joe was speaking. The dumbocrats did not want “Mensa's” comments quoted so they locked the reporter in a hall broom closet.

Of course, him being one of the fools who lies daily on behalf of the cretin stinking up the Oval Office he was not willing to make an attempt to escape so he probably drooled on himself while waiting to be released.

That is the true story of being locked in a closet !

Do we really want these clowns running the government ?

Naaah ! Romney Ryan will give us a boost.

No, Biden meant what he said. It's Obama that keeps blaming Bush.

He must be using OdumbO telepromter to eliminate gaffs.

We all know that in all of the questions that Odumbo will be asked will be answered in 4 words "It's all Bush"s fault! It's all Bush's fault!., It's all Bush's fault!"

Hmm...by my count that's actually 12 words and not 4...and since "it's" is a contraction of "it is", it's really 15 words.

Now that I broke the highlights of the "debate", the democrats can do something constructive during the debate tomorrow and go out and watch the grass grow!

...but then we'll miss the super-awesomeness of that "game-changer" that Governor Christie says Mr. Romney has in store for us.

Is the answer really FOUR WORDS ? My math is shaky but the answer seems to be more because of the 'contractions'.

But then this poseur has gotten along for four years without being impeached by saying every time he spoke that "IT" was Bush's fault.

Maybe impeachment will come if this pretender, this bloviator, this criminal is somehow put back into OUR WHITE HOUSE?

H Stowell - yes. Bigger morons would be Romney and Ryan! If you heard, Anne Romney is now questioning the strain this campaign will put on Mitt's mental state. You can't make this stuff up!

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SeekingSanity - Wow... I guess life strains people who live in the real world and work, huh? It must be nice living in the democrat's ideal world where everybody floats around on clouds with no worries (or responsibility for their actions) and everything is free from the government.

Even when all Obama is capable of saying without a teleprompter is 'ummm...ahhh...It's Bush's fault...ehhh...ummm"

Guess what numb nuts joe bite me and your socialist demo party have been completely in charge of all three branches for the first two years. And all you numb nuts could pass was endless regulations, stimulius no shovel ready jobs, no energy sylendra jobs, and of course obamacare. Waste Waste Waste and Waste.

Guess what numb nuts joe bite me and your socialist demo party have been completely in charge of all three branches for the first two years. And all you numb nuts could pass was endless regulations, stimulius no shovel ready jobs, no energy sylendra jobs, and of course obamacare. Waste Waste Waste and Waste.