I guess that means that over 60 % do not think it is important.

What's this for? Who's running again? (yeah, there are folks out there saying this, trust me.)

I guess that means that over 60 % do not think it is important.

Yup! I doubt there will be any gotcha moments in either debate.

Maybe someone will bring this up during the debate:

Despite repeated promises that he would build prosperity from the bottom up, President Obama has presided over three years of income losses for the middle class, according to the latest household income data from the Census Bureau.

Since 2009, the middle 20% of American households saw their average incomes drop 4%. In 2011 alone, they fell 1.7%. The poorest 20% have fared even worse under Obama, Census data show. Their incomes have dropped more than 7% since 2009, and are now lower than they've been at any time since 1985, after adjusting for inflation.

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What's more, despite Obama's promise that he would reduce income inequality, it's increased each year he's been in office, reaching an all-time high after remaining flat during the Bush years.

Source: http://news.investors.com/100212-627662-under-obama-poor-middle-class-incomes-fall-sharply.aspx

So real earning power has declined in the last four years for the people that need that to happen to them the least.

The top 20% of earners, the rich, have managed to make a gain of 2%. At least it looks like Obama is there for his $35,000 a plate fund raising dinners attended by his rich friends.

Well, lets just tax the rich, just like Clinton did. That will return us to prosperity.

Obama 2012 - Killing the wealth of the nation and the futures of our children

Amy B. Portland, ME

What's this for? Who's running again? (yeah, there are folks out there saying this, trust me.)

Yeah and they're Democrats......here's a sample:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/24/howard_stern_interviews_obama_supporters_2012.html

LOL

Right.

Because in RWNJ land, the 43rd President's policies had nothing to do with the epic economic collapse

the country is just starting to recover from.

Don't overdose on those blue pills now.

T. Money Trim/A Play Run- We'll win these debates, because we've two or more views for every topic.

Here is another RealClearPolitics link that is more relevant and provides a lot more insight into this race:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

FP: the country is just starting to recover from.

Unemployment is going up, GDP is going down, and the gap between the rich/poor is increasing. That doesn't sound like much of a recovery.

Just stating what was promised and what was delivered FP. Do agree that Obama's policies have produced a result just the opposite of what he stated they would?

And when the problems still persist in 2/4 years, will your excuses remain the same?

A debate between two parties, one of whom enthusiastically embraces the tenets of socialism, and the other who only reluctantly embraces the tenets of socialism, doesn't seem very important to me. How about allowing a viable 3rd party candidate to participate? That would be interesting.

Gary Johnson 2012

Ah look Feisty is back from yet another suspension.

Oh and it would appear that the old gal is on probation [double secret, no doubt] the terms of which are that she cannot be the first poster on every article.

Oh my, what will she do?

Say Foreplinger - so the policies of O did not assist in the old recovery, right? You do recall the Stimulus and all that?

Why shoot the payroll tax holiday was a super success, yes?

If Bush had the power to cause the collapse [and we should all just ignore Pelosi and Reid's positions of power from '06 on], then certainly O has the power to fix it right up, yes?

Stimulus, cash for clunkers, Dodd-Frank...Why the list of his neat 'accomplishments is practically endless.

And yet GDP is 1.3% WTF?

that's the 40% who are voting for Romney, the other 60% who are voting for President Obama don't care about the debates because it doesn't matter what Romney says we know it will be a lie. That is all he has done throughout the campaign is lie, why would he start telling the truth for the debates. The more desperate he gets the bigger the lies will get. It wouldn't matter if he claimed he was going to write each citizen a check out of his personal fortune he has hidden in foreign banks, I still wouldn't vote for him because I still wouldn't believe him.

Because in RWNJ land, the 43rd President's policies had nothing to do with the epic economic collapse

it did and Oba Mao accelerated that idiot Bushes policies. Now what? 4 more sounds good eh? Im sure to you masochistic libs it is great. I think its time to Change direction

Yes, and the GOP cannot find a single 'job creator' who opposes a tax on millionaires.

Obama nailed them in his Kansas speech. They've had all the room in the world to show what they stand for and it boils down to a 1% that doesn't even AGREE with them!

Their only interest is in knocking out Obama. Skunks, one and all.

People only vaguely following politics will have been reading that Obama compromised with the GOP, but in point of fact they never really 'won' anything despite Boehner's boast. He offered $33 billion in cuts to get the CBR, but in the end, he managed to do it cleverly so the amount was much lower than that and actually added 8-10 billion dollars TO the budget. He tricked them.

He offered a 'grand bargain' he knew they would not accept, and they ended up being so pig-headed they cost us a notch in our credit rating.

Now everyone knows that they hate the working class and the middle class (something they've hidden for years) ... They're hung out to dry and they know it.

All 47% of the people Romney accused of "entitlements and handouts" are most of the 40% who think the debates are crucial...

Apart from that, more than half of MOST Americans have already made up their minds to vote for Obama!

In short, Romney's foot n' mouth disease has cost him the election...

Tonight's only winner will Harvard School of Law...

It wouldn't matter if he claimed he was going to write each citizen a check out of his personal fortune he has hidden in foreign banks, I still wouldn't vote for him because I still wouldn't believe him.

So it's all about what you personally get from the government that determines your vote?

And how are those cellphones Obama gave out? Decent data plan? That tab is also picked up by the taxpayers too, correct? Otherwise, why even have it.

Chad: Yes, and the GOP cannot find a single 'job creator' who opposes a tax on millionaires

Sure, raise taxes on millionaires. That will make them produce jobs.

The debates will be an opportunity for Americans to take a closer look at Obama, and to see how he responds to pointed comments that Romney will doubtlessly make about the Obama legacy. Many Americans are not aware of how the Obama administration has misled them on so many things, with the help of the mass media. Talk about the recent anti-American fervor in the Muslim Middle East. If you don't question what the Obama administration and most of the mainstream media is telling you about that, you're very gullible. Ask why the Obama administration insisted that it was about a Youtube video. Did you believe that?

For whatever reason, Barack Obama feels an unnatural compulsion to protect Islam from perceived “insults”. We saw this in his attempts to intercede on behalf of the planners of the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” near the site of what was the World Trade Center, and we see it in the many comments he has made to the Islamic world and to Americans. Unfortunately, those Islamic leaders intent on harming us are smarter than we generally think they are, and they have shrewdly developed strategies to utilize Obama’s emotional vulnerability for this purpose, thus they invented the Youtube video pretext specifically to appeal to Obama’s vulnerability and Obama himself is unfortunately only too eager to be played in this manner.

So when you watch the debate, pay careful attention to Barack Obama’s metamessage and ask yourself if you feel comfortable with the emotional vulnerabilities that he brings with him to the presidency of the United States of America.

Debate? What debate? It's Dumb and Dumber, nobody else invited. I AM VOTING LIBERTARIAN - GARY JOHNSON. The DNC & GOP are attempting to rig our futures, again. DON'T LET THEM.

These debates are important because Republicans are pushing the same BS that got us into this mess.

Since Ronald Reagan introduced it back in the 1980's.
The premise of Republicans is that the more money we redistribute from the middle class and poor to the filthy rich in the form of tax cuts and subsidies for the rich, the better off everyone will be. It didn't work in the 1980's and it most certainly didn't work when George Walker Bush implemented it from 2001-2008 and the economy virtually collapsed.

It's pretty much like all other Republican policies: They are all nothing more than a return to the past and they are all proven failures. They want to kill off Social Security with a 100% privatized retirement system. We already had a 100% privatized retirement system, and it failed miserably. (Which is why we have Social Security in the first place).

Same, too, for Medicare. We used to have a 100% privatized medical system in this country. And it failed miserably. So, of course, the Republicans want to return to that.

We used to have little or no regulations on industry. And it failed miserably too, with corrupt corporate thugs using child slave labor and selling tainted meat and food products. Which is why, of course, the Republicans would like to return to the good old days when private industry
"regulated" itself (wink, wink).

Same, too for abortion. Abortion used to be outlawed in this country. And it failed miserably and scared young girls found themselves in back alleys with illegal abortionists doing the job with filthy coat hangers and other assorted objects. So, of course, since making illegal abortions did nothing to stop abortions and actually ended up in tragedy for too many families...the Republicans want to return to the good old days of back alley abortionists once again.

There's not a single Republican policy position that hasn't already been tried and failed. Including tinkle-on...oops, meant to say "trickle-down" economics.

Sure, raise taxes on millionaires. That will make them produce jobs.

My esteemed colleague Mickey Ny says Romney claims middle class is in the 250k/yr range. However Obama here thinks taxing the rich that so happen to be in the 250k/yr will solve the problems. So i think we have a dilema here. Lets say we tax Obama's rich (250k/yr), how much and what will it solve? Will it reduce the deficit? Debt?

I suspect Obama will want to impose a 'wealth' tax like say in mmm France? You think it's working there? You think Obama will keep his dough in offshore accounts? exemptions?

wow I have never seen this many repu8blican trolls on here, the RNC must have taken out another loan to hire all these fake "average citizens". It's funny how they think everyone is as sheep-like as foxes brainwashed viewers and will just vote for Romney because they think everyone else is. Well I hate to tell you this but the "bandwagon" effect isn't why President Obama is leading in the polls, it's because people just don't like Mitt, he is a compulsive liar and everyone konws it. So you can send all the trolls here you want an it won't matter.

So when you watch the debate, pay careful attention to Barack Obama’s metamessage and ask yourself if you feel comfortable with the emotional vulnerabilities that he brings with him to the presidency of the United States of America.

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Um, What should we all be looking for with the other guy, dr Freud? Anything? Bueller?....

I am gonna be watching them both, with a skeptical eye...

It's pretty much like all other Republican policies: They are all nothing more than a return to the past and they are all proven failures. They want to kill off Social Security with a 100% privatized retirement system.

Same, too, for Medicare. We used to have a 100% privatized medical system in this country. And it failed miserably.

Same, too for abortion. Abortion used to be outlawed in this country.

You got some references for any this Chad?

I guess that means that over 60 % do not think it is important

No, it's important to the other 60%. It's just that the debates won't change our minds.

100% behind Romney.

Come on Chad, don't leave JAS1 hanging......

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow, JoAnna, really?

Housing values up. Housing construction up. 401K's up. Unemployment down. According to BLS, more

people working than at the beginning of the President's term.

Cellphones? That was started in 1995. Paid for by the phone companies. But your one consistent trait is

you never let the facts get in the way of a terrible argument.

Enjoy your crying time on Nov. 6, tomorrow is just a preview.

Come on Chad, don't leave JAS1 hanging......

Clever.

Chad reminds me of Animal House when Belushi/Bluto exclaimed: : "What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

You do have to like Chad's (misguided) enthusiasm.

And how are those cellphones Obama gave out? Decent data plan? That tab is also picked up by the taxpayers too, correct? Otherwise, why even have it

I see Snuffy's feed bag has run dry and this is all she has left! lmao!

There is one problem with the Obama Phone: It doesn’t exist.

Since 2009, there has been an urban myth that Obama created a program to provide free phones to low-income Americans at taxpayer expense. There is, in fact, a government program that will provide low-income people with a free or low cost cell phone. It was started in 2008 under George W. Bush.

The idea of providing low-income individuals with subsidized phone service was originated in the Reagan administration following the break-up of AT&T in 1984. (It was expanded and formalized by the Telecommunications Act of 1996.) The program is paid for by telecommunications companies through an independent non-profit, not through tax revenue.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/27/924011/the-truth-about-the-obama-phone/

Go take a bath Snuffy - you stink of desperation!

Spanky.....what gets me is not so much the things they post, like....."Obama is the only clear logical choice", and "face it, the debates aren't going to change anyone's mind," and "yeah, only low information voters are undecided, now".......it's that they actually BELIEVE their own gobble-dee-gook.

Some of these people are in need of psychological help. Because it's absolutely sick to think that someone who's been in office for four years, and who has done absolutely nothing to cure the country's economic woes, deserves a second chance at doing nothing for another four years.

You won't recognize this country in four years, if this guy gets back in. This country is going right into the toilet, and their only answer is to hate and tax the hell out of successful people.

As if that is going to make their lives better. They won't be satisfied until there is no such thing as excellence or success, and until we're all dependent on "the state" to provide for our needs.

We are The United States of America, and we can do a hell of a lot better than this!

DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY, 2012!!!!!

Romney just needs to stick hard facts on Obama during the debate. Obama you claim to be for the middle class and yet every year the middle class is shrinking. But stick the fact how his administration advised what the unemployment numbers would be after passing the stimulas package. Ask Obama if he still thinks it's funny to answer the question about shovel ready jobs, not being as shovel ready as he had hoped! See if Obama thinks its funny then!

Stick Obama with facts and rattle his cage! Without his prompter and if you can get him excited he is bound to make mistakes. Ask Obama about his failed policy with Lybia. Ask him point blank if he believes all the uprising are from a youtube video that you and so many others loved to talk about. Ask Obama if Lybia had asked for more protection prior to all the problems!

I cant really see anything Obama can say that would rattle Mitt Romney. That has already happened with all the other debates. Ask Obama tomorrow during the debates on what he predicts the unemployment numbers are going to look like on Thursday!

Or ask Obama or his administration:

has offered to pick up the check -- at taxpayer expense -- for legal costs associated with defense industry layoffs should automatic Pentagon cuts be triggered.

ForePlay-

Cellphones? That was started in 1995. Paid for by the phone companies

Hmmm, I wonder if those phone companies have figured out a way to pass along the cost of this program to their customers in the past 17 years?

Nah...Probably, not, eh ForePlay?

Housing values up

where? Is it really this black and white. Maybe in NBC land it is.

Hey Zman. Liberal Logic is circular in nature. It's the 'I know because I know' ergo they're right. Too funny that it is really the mindset and tragic at the same time

JoAnna -

Probably HuffPo, moveon.org, or media matters.

Hi kids. Hey- how about that Pennsylvania voter ID deal? Neat, huh?

I always wondered though, why the righties are afraid a scant hadfull of possible fraudulent votes might 'throw' the election, but millions and millions from Adelson and the Koch brothers wouldn't 'throw' the election.

Go figger.

What scares me is the undecided voters that are still out there - REALLY, there couldn't be a clearer difference between candiates on numerous topics. These individuals have got to decide what is important to them and get out and vote. Seriously can't believe that there are individuals waiting for these debates to help them decide. My 9 year old already knows which way she would vote if she could and is probably a lot more educated on the issues than some of these undecided voters.

Reality check. If any pollster calls voters and asks if the debates will be important, odds are they will say "yes" simply because who wants to say it doesn't matter--even 60% say it is "somewhat important". Debates give us a measure of the candidate, not so much in words but in how those words are spoken and the demeanor of the candidate. Remember John McCain, grudging repeated toss of "that one" at Senator Barack Obama. Said a great deal about John McCain's lack of presidential appearance.

I will eagerly watch the debates as I always do. Some years, those debates have cemented my assessment of a candidate. For the most part, by this time in any election cycle I already have researched the candidates, checked their voting records if any, read everything I could about them and have independently decided who has earned my vote but I did watch the debates for confirmation of my thinking.

This year, however, there is absolutely nothing Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan or any republican candidate can say or do to convince me they have a clue about governing fairly for all the people. I have watched GOPers nationwide deride women, try to take away hard-fought for women's health choice rights; watched GOPers try to undermine the Justice system; watched GOPers try to suppress the hard-fought for voting rights of minorities, of those with whom they disagree. There is nothing the GOP can say to convince me they are anything but legislators in name only with corporate, wealthy puppet masters pulling their strings.

As for undecided voters, I think there are fewer of them than the polls show. Many people simply do not want to disclose their choice....just in case; also some will wait until the debates are over....just in case.

Since writing on this subject at First Thoughts, I have watched the Anderson Cooper video regarding Chris Stevens –

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/cnn-christopher-stevens-personal-journal-libya_n_1905650.html

-- and I have read some of the background material. I am less than impressed by the way what Cooper reported is being distorted by conservatives into some sort of argument that the Obama administration is responsible for Stevens’ death.

What do we actually know?

First, Stevens told someone that he thought he was on an Al Qaeda hit list.

Indeed. But that’s probably true for just about every prominent American in the Middle East, and particularly for Stevens, who represented the antithesis of what Al Qaeda is. This is really no news. Stevens would have to have known this all along.

Besides, it doesn’t explain the attack in Benghazi on September 11, as Stevens’ visit there was not highly publicized in advance. Maybe there was a mole in our operation, which does not seem entirely uncommon, given our experiences in Afghanistan. Moles happen, even inside the CIA, if you will recall. Or, perhaps they merely observed Stevens’ convoy as it traveled from Tripoli.

How would they have noticed? Stevens always traveled in armored vehicles. Why? BECAUSE HE WAS REQUIRED TO for security purposes.

And he hated it.

Second, Stevens was concerned about the overall rise in Islamic extremism, including the growing Al Qaeda presence in Libya. He talked about being worried about “never-ending security threats in Benghazi.”

Indeed. But again, what in particular is actionable intelligence here? I know that Stevens did, just shortly before the attack on the consulate, have a meeting with some business leaders about the threats to Libyan commerce because of Al Qaeda, but ….

What points to an attack on the consulate on that particular day?

Here, I’ll ask again the main question I asked at First Thoughts, a question, in fact, that Anderson Cooper himself asked in the video --

-- if Stevens was so aware of the security problem, and personally feared for his safety, and if he thought the consulate might be a target, then why did Stevens travel to Benghazi on September 11 with such a “light” security force (Cooper’s words)?

When I hear the explanation for that, I’ll know what to think.

In the meantime, I prefer to conclude, based on everything I’ve read about Stevens, which I’m willing to bet is a darn sight more than most of the conservatives have read, that Stevens knew the dangers, but he consciously took the risk, because that’s just the kind of diplomat Chris Stevens was.

And that's what I believe Anderson Cooper thinks, too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/world/middleeast/us-ambassador-to-libya-knew-the-ways-of-the-arab-street.html?ref=jchristopherstevens

If anyone has anything better than that to offer, I’ll be happy to listen.

All right Spankenheimer, you want a piece of this:

The 43rd President enjoyed having two billion dollar per month wars off the books because according to

his veep "Deficits don't matter". As a thought experiment ask yourself, "What if Congress in 2006 had

voted against the Continuing Resolutions that funded the wars?" Think your Teapublican buddies would

have crucified them mercilessly as anti-war, pro-terrorist, America last, godless scum? We both know

the answer to that is yes. As for spending, your majestic, ultra-correct, super genius 43rd President

could have vetoed those bills and sent them back to Congress. (You do know the President can veto

legislation, correct? You do know that there was not an over-riding majority in both houses, yes?)

But he didn't, what was he, some kind of gutless, cowering, simpering idiot afraid of Pelosi's mighty

pectoral muscles and Reid's boxing experience?

Now, let's not forget about those genius tax cuts, instead of using that money to pay down a debt that

already existed; did he do that? Think about it (if that's possible for you), debt is so bad and terrible and

evil and awful and gross and icky and is killing our children and puppies and American flags and the

unicorns that inhabit RWNJ fantasy land, and that brilliant world leader of your not gonna' kill my daddy

43rd President could have eliminated that debt all my himself by doing nothing. But what did he do?

He gave a tax cut to people who didn't need it and ran the debt up to such an amount that it is a legacy

of economic hamstringing. Then we can talk about how he wouldn't appoint anyone to financial oversight

in the executive branch so Wall Street, could go ape crap crazy, selling turd sandwiches disguised as

credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations.

In conclusion, the 43rd President made this mess and you folks with your magical thinking are criticizing

President Obama for not cleaning it up quick enough while you're taking a huge steaming dump on his

shoes.

DING. School.Is.OUT!

Speaking of Stevens- anyone else wonder why the talkers on the "liberal media" like Hannity, Huckabee, et.al. are so completely broken up about Stevens' murder that all of them have to talk about it EVER-Y DAY, yet say little to nothing when 4 or 5 of our other public servants get offed in Kabul by 'insiders'?

It it just me??

so DBO, you admit that it is possible to have fraudulent voting? Do you really think it would be a handful? Is it not safe to say that it could get out of line to rampant instead of a handful. I have no problems with having/showing my ID. I have to frequently and I suspect most of you do as well. Tell me how providing an ID to vote (a constitutional right) is any different than providing an ID to buy a guy (a constitutional right)?

d-b-o --

yet say little to nothing when 4 or 5 of our other public servants get offed in Kabul by 'insiders'?

Exactly. In the case of our CIA officers in Afghanistan, I believe it was more like seven.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-55-no.-3/the-triple-agent-the-al-qaeda-mole-who-infiltrated-the-cia.html

If even the CIA can't vet the moles, how was Chris Stevens supposed to do it?

And how exactly would President Obama be responsible for that?

And finally, without a mole, how would anyone have known Stevens would be in Benghazi that day?

You didn't answer the quesiton, CA.

Do YOU belive millions spent on advertizing wouldn't have any effect on votes??

And....I do hope you meant buying a 'gun' and not a 'guy', but one can no longer be so sure, thanks to the Supremes, eh big guy?

You're actually going to post about the cell phones?

Seeking,

The poor, blind, old, nag has never met a carrot she wouldn't nibble at!

They're screwed and they know it! ;o)

You post something from ThinkProgress and you think it is true?

Jackass,

It's up to YOU to prove it isn't... lmao!

SeekingSanity - keep seeking you might find it

There were 7.1 million free phone accounts in 2008. There are 12.5 million today. So I would say that the liberals and President Obama have expanded the program and they own it today. And it was started in 1985, so you really shouldn't blame this one on Bush.

When are you lefties going to start to think for yourselves? Dumb Fux just repeats everything she hears on MSNBC the night before. Horses ass Mr. Ed is not a good source for news or true facts.

It's up to YOU to prove it isn't... lmao!

I didn't think you were man enough to take the challenge!

No surprise! lol

When are you lefties going to start to think for yourselves? Dumb Fux just repeats everything she hears on MSNBC the night before

Do YOU belive millions spent on advertizing wouldn't have any effect on votes??

very little but you asked if i belived it. (btw I meant gun not guy but thanks for pointing out my typo as you make one yourself).

Now answer my question as it really is more important than advertising questions.

Sorry Jo Anna,

As others on here have pointed out, the phone program was started in the 90's and expanded under Bush. Where were all you then upset about it? The GDP is rising and you know unemployment is decreasing (how soon we forget we were losing 500-700 THOUSAND jobs per month the last year of the Bush admin).

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm

JH --

And it was started in 1985, so you really shouldn't blame this one on Bush.

That's right. Blame it on Reagan.

Maybe if some of you conservative "job creators" would get off your behinds and actually create some jobs to justify all the tax breaks you get, there wouldn't be such a need for free phones.

Ever think of that, Brainiac?

To late Anna Molly and friends. The horse has left the barn.

That wonderfully engaging lady in the viral YouTube Video must have said "ObamaPhone" a half a dozen times.

That Beautiful Lady is now the poster child for the 47%.

You all are screaming in an echo chamber, here at First Read.

The horse has left the barn.

I noticed Snuffy has disappeared as well...

Count me among the 60%. Presidential debates are largely just a dog and pony show of prepared statements and stump speeches with few details, no new policies or proposals, and little to no actual debate involved.

What we've discovered is very important are the primary debates. Without those as a key part of the vetting process, we might not have realizes just how terrible the Republican field of candidates was this year. They really did a good job of crystalizing their identities. Newt the con man. Cain the comedian. Bachmann the nutcase. Perry the village idiot. Santorum the sanctimonious, anti-intellectual prude. Pawlenty the cowardly lion. Paul the paranoid conspiracy theorist.

We already know who Romney and Obama are, though. We don't need a debate to demonstrate that Romney is a petulant, privileged, elitist, or that Obama is a cool and calculating politician. Or that Ryan is a naked emperor or Biden a hot-headed populist. Actually, I think Ryan does need that exposure. There are still voices in the beltway that describe him as a serious policy-minded wonk, so reality hasn't sunk in on that front quite yet.

Hey old gal, I see your still living by those double standards.

Telling people to prove what you post is true and then demanding that other people prove that what they post is true.

You really are a piece of work, Red.

To bad ReHab didn't seem to work for you.

WCA: That wonderfully engaging lady in the viral YouTube Video must have said "ObamaPhone" a half a dozen times.

Perception is reality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

AnnaMolly,

So it's now the left's stance that Ambassador Stevens is the one responsible for his own murder? That's all I seem to be hearing from the left leaners - anything but the administration being culpable, even in the slightest.

AM: -- if Stevens was so aware of the security problem, and personally feared for his safety, and if he thought the consulate might be a target, then why did Stevens travel to Benghazi on September 11 with such a "light" security force (Cooper's words)?

AM: If anyone has anything better than that to offer, I'll be happy to listen.

Apparently the threats against the embassy and the officials was large enough that there were requests to increase security.

Earlier today, chairman of the committee Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, the chair of the subcommittee on national security, homeland defense, and foreign operations, wrote to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, asserting that "multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 (2012) attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi. The mission in Libya, however, was denied these requests by officials in Washington."

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/white-house-has-no-comment-on-house-gopers-assertions-that-libyan-mission-requested-security-prior-to-91112-attack/

The White House refuses comment.

White House press secretary Jay Carney declined to comment on an assertion by the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that requests from diplomats in Libya for added security prior to the September 11, 2012 attack on the diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, were denied.

“I’m not going to get into a situation under review by the State Department and the FBI,” Carney said.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/white-house-has-no-comment-on-house-gopers-assertions-that-libyan-mission-requested-security-prior-to-91112-attack/

CD: So it's now the left's stance that Ambassador Stevens is the one responsible for his own murder? That's all I seem to be hearing from the left leaners - anything but the administration being culpable, even in the slightest.

That does seem to be AMs main point. I'll let her defend it on its merits.

To bad ReHab didn't seem to work for you.

Again, you can't even get this right! lol

I was in a Newsvine "time-out" it was the old nag ^ who keeps going to rehab!

It is entertaining watching a coward like you, frantically trying to remain relevant! ;o)))

You're good for a giggle every now & then!

Since I'm not voting for either one of them, I really don't care... but at the same time I hope the voters pay close attention and also decide that neither one of these people deserves to be president.

Come on Feisty, I seem to have hit a nerve.

Admitting you have a problem is the First Step.

Nothing wrong with ReHab. Just looks like you didn't put enough effort into it.

I'm sure they will take you back for another week if you think it could help.

Max, same here. I'm voting for Johnson. I just really dislike libs on principle.

Whine Colored Auto de Fa:

Free markets, right? If phone companies want to give those phones away and let the customers

subsidize that, that's the free market.

You're not advocating some kind of socialist/Marxist control of whatever the phone companies want

to do, are you?

Pharmaceutical companies give away medicine, oil companies give away heating fuel, power

companies give away power. Who are you to intervene in their free market largesse?

Even the Mittronic Rombot was giving away cars in Massachusetts. So don't espouse your communistic

interference with American business on this all American board of patriotic Americanism in the U.S.A.

Just remember...

Rombot.Has.Nothing. But you'll see plenty of that tomorrow.

JoAnnaSmith1- A FOX watchin mental midget. You want my references ? It's called history and the ability to think for yourself. The conservative brain only has two brain cells one for walking the other for breathing, other than that it is useless.

WCA: Nothing wrong with ReHab

Going to rehab is an important first step. But if you don't put the effort into it as we see, it really doesn't do much good. Our good friend here doesn't seem to understand how she should behave around others. She needs to learn how to be respectful to people, but just cannot seem to grasp that simple concept.

Her being deep into menopause is probably a contributing factor. Chad, you are dismissed.

JoAnnaSmith1- A FOX watchin mental midget. You want my resources? It's called history and the ability to think for yourself. The conservative brain only has two brain cells one for walking the other for breathing other than that it is useless.

We get it Chad, you have no sources or references.

Chad, you are dismissed.

WCA, Feisty is right. Rehab is an attempt to change your failed ways. Feisty merely went to timeout as she doesnt think she needs to change. And judging by the lefty posters supporting our Che like Feisty during her absence proves they dont want the FR gladiator to change either.

TO: Chef Darrell who wrote:

"40%? Isnt that the number of people who are outright voting for the president anyway?"

Nope, the President has a solid 47% of the American People voting for him.

But I think your failure to "recall" that all important "47%" number shows that Republicans have NOT gotten any better at math, nor have they resolved their "amnesia" issues.

Obama/Biden 2012

American Girl,

Don't equate the 47% "remark" with "actual" voter count. Some of "them" may vote R, some of them may vote L, some of them may "not" even vote.

@ devie, Post 1.3

60% is the amount of people that have already made up their mind. 60% are the ones that have been paying attention in the past 3.5 years. 60% are the people that disagree with how congress has been treating the American people. 60% are the people that are tired of listening to the party of NO blame the President for the countries failed polices. 60% is the amount of people tired of listening to Republican's treat women, seniors and the poor as though they are second class citizens. 60% will be the ones that decide who our next president is and there will be no need for a recount in any state thanks to 60%.

TO: Chef Darrell who wrote:

"American Girl, Don't equate the 47% "remark" with "actual" voter count. Some of "them" may vote R, some of them may vote L, some of them may "not" even vote."

Why shouldn't I, everybody else is counting that way, including your guy, Mitt Robme.

There's no need to lie to yourself or for you to pretend there is any chance whatsoever of any Obama Voter switching over to the Jobs Cremator, cause it ain't gonna happen, even Romney told you that.

60% is the amount of people that have already made up their mind. 60% are the ones that have been paying attention in the past 3.5 years. 60% are the people that disagree with how congress has been treating the American people. 60% are the people that are tired of listening to the party of NO blame the President for the countries failed polices. 60% is the amount of people tired of listening to Republican's treat women, seniors and the poor as though they are second class citizens. 60% will be the ones that decide who our next president is and there will be no need for a recount in any state thanks to 60%.

Right on!

Obama/Biden 2012

Well truth be told about the phones....This specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush(A Dumb A$$), with grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton...(A Democrat), which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt...(Another Democrat), which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson(Yep... Another Democrat.)

And yes the phone company has found a way to pass along the cost of these programs to the consumer in the form of that pesky "Universal Charge" you see on your phone bill.....however there is one stipulation to the "Universal Charge".....It can't be collected to participants of the low income program... so yes inadvertently "tax dollars" are being collected to pay for these low income phone programs. But good Ol' Gubment has made it so that the phone company has to collect it from paying consumers, to re-coop the charge that the Gubment is making them pay. Follow the money... it always goes back to the Gubment....it just changes hands a few times on the way! And that is the TRUTH! And yes the program has made a huge BOOM under B.O and his administration... almost 50% increase in fact... hence why the phrase was coined..."Obama Phone" He didn't start it...Ill give you that.. but it has been fed 3 squares a day and has grown exponentially under his watch!

This just in! 40% polled have no clue why our economy is/has gone down the tubes.

40% have no clue the more money we print the more problems we make.

40% think more taxes will solve our problems.

40% believe either a democrat or a republican (regardless of character) is the answer.

40% believe in the tooth fairy.

This is what Germany was kind of like in the early 30's.

40% is the support romney enjoys, (which is why they give any weight to the debates) while the majority will grant Obama another term, have known it for months, and won't change their minds due to debates. We've seen what a clueless moron romney is over the last year, the debates won't fix stupid.

Obama 2012

To show how out of touch the Republicans are to the needs of America.The way they have used their power in Congress.This was just one of many stories of them working against American jobs.

"Politico reported that senior Senate sources have said that ROMNEY'S opposition to extending the PTC derailed' a bipartisan Senate agreement to renew the tax credit. The New York Times similarly reported that 'Senate Republicans removed' the PTC extension from the Senate Finance Committee’s tax extenders package 'to show their loyalty' to ROMNEY. Two weeks later, Vestas announced the layoffs at its Pueblo facility."

Here's a few other thing's showing why Romney is wrong for America:

1. When in Prep school he led a gang of boys who assaulted another boy and cut his hair off because he was gay.He was 17-18 then.Many courts try kids even 14 today as an adult for assault crimes.And today that would come under the "hate crimes" laws. But being the wealthy son of a governor I guess gives him a pass.He say's he doesn't remember it,though all the others in the gang have no problem remembering.

2.Also in Prep School and College he used to get his kicks dressing as a Michigan State Trooper,he used to pull over motorists posing as a trooper.A crime under Michigan law by the way.But again,being rich and connected lets you get away with a lot in his world.

3.To avoid the draft during the Vietnam War he goes off to Paris to do "missionary" work.Not some third world country,to bring Mormonism to the poor.But Paris,where I'm sure the French Catholic's were just as happy to have Mormons ring their doorbell's as most Americans are.Yet today he thinks it would be nice to dress-up as our military Commander in Chief.

4. During his time at Bain,a company known as a prime example of an outsourcer,shipping American jobs overseas . He brags to his fat cat donor's that Bain's job was to "Harvest" the companies it acquired.Like a surgeon harvesting body parts from the dead. He states that he "likes" to fire workers.And for icing on the cake,he lies about when he left Bain,and then is caught in the lie.

5.Before running for President he sold his huge investments in a Chinese Oil Company working hand in glove with Iranian Oil Companies trying to break our sanctions on Iran.Yet we are to believe this man would look out for America's interests in the world.

6.He won't talk details about his budget plans if he's elected President.But what little he does say is he will cut taxes on the wealthy,cutting revenue by billions,raise the military budget even more than Bush,and at the same time pay down the deficit.Unless he is an Alchemist that can turn lead in to gold, as people believed in the Middle Ages.His figures just can't add up.Unless that is,he plans on slicing up every program for the poor,the middle class,and senior citizens that is. But considering he likes to fire ,and is an expert in harvesting,that is probably what he plans.Which would be a good reason to not want to give out details.He knows that would not be accepted by most of the American people.

These are just a few things related to Romney for people to think over.If we add his record as governor of Mass.,his flip flop on almost every thing,hiding his taxes from the voters,his big donor Adelson also being the bankroller for Israels PM Netanyahu (which accounts for Romney's pro-war stand,and Netanyahu's pro-Romney stance) ,his picking Paul Ryan,almost as bad as Santorum,as a part of the extreme right-wing as his VP pick.And his not even knowing that plane windows don't open because the cabin is pressurized.And opening them in flight would kill you.The list of reasons why he shouldn't be President is endless.

The only real choice Nov.6th Obama/Biden.As Santorum himself said,the Republicans will never be the party of the smart people.

Since I wrote why Democrats and Independents won't vote for Romney I might as well state why Republicans should have a problem voting for Romney.

1.Republicans,while taking their orders from the very rich.Really,on a personal level aren't all that fond of them.And if you ever had a poster boy for everything you hate about the 1% Romney is that boy.

2.Many of the right-wing like to think of themselves as Christians (while denying the very message of Christ,funny how that works for them).But most Christians deny that Mormonism is a Christian faith.So that must be somewhat of a problem voting for a Mormon Bishop of all people.

3.A lot of Republicans who voted for Reagan and Bush said they felt they were regular guys that they'd like to have a beer with.Well with Romney,he doesn't drink,and you'd have a problem "good ole boy'in" with him unless you needed a bottle of "Grey Poupon".

4.For the many Republicans that will vote for anybody but "the black guy".It must have come as a shock that Romney claimed his father marched with Dr Martin Luther King,and he was proud of it.Now it came out he was lying about that.But still his claiming that must have made for some soul searching at the Klan meeting.

5.Then for all the so-called "America Firster's" that see a foreign plot even under their beds.Having one of Romney's biggest bankrollers being the chief bankroller of the Israeli PM as well.Had to be quite a shocker as well.

6. Lastly,since except to get the nomination Romney has never agreed with your agenda,and in his past supported health care reform (Romneycare in Mass.),was pro-choice,for gun control. Infact except for his not wanting to tax the rich,he would have been thought of as a dreaded "Moderate",or as you guys would say "a commie".But then,to suck up for right-wing votes he did remake himself.But then can you guys really be sure.After all someone who flip-flops like that.Can they be a "true Conservative" really.Or is he really a "closet Liberal" you never know.

Wow,it must really suck for you guys not knowing for sure.

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OBAMA/BIDEN the real choice for all Americans

The debates won't matter much to people like Fisting in IL, Beverlicking in Chicago, First Rhetoric, or any of the Obama Presidential Staff Polishers. Even after Obama finishes spewing his lies and steps all over his dick tonight, the left will be out here in force praising their Messiah's performance no matter how badly Romney mops the floor with him.

Great, informative, concise posts uncle ..... YOU NAILED IT !

OBAMA 2012

Let's face it, these debates are NOT going to change anyones mind...

Agreed! I think only the low information voters are still undecided.

*popcorn*?

Yes please.

Only 40% say it's important in this Liberal slanted poll because all the respondents know that Obama won't be debating on his record of:

Unemployment
Job creation
Debt
Economy

Maybe he'll be more willing to debate on his stellar work on:

Welfare checks
Food Stamps
Illegals

Hmmmmm, this is interesting.

Ultra-extremist-socialist-leftist-libs are "downplaying" the importance of the debates, before they even take place.

Wonder why.....?

DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY 2012!

If Mitt Romney is representative of America's CEO class, it's easy to see why the economy is struggling. America has too much deadwood at the top, in my opinion. Too many people kicked upstairs because of who they knew at Harvard. And then they want government to bail them out, while cutting healthcare for the elderly. "Gosh, can't they just dip into their trust fund to pay their medical bills? Sells the Rolls, for heavens sake?"

I think only the low information voters are still undecided.

I agree, Devie!

You can lead the unwashed masses to knowledge, but, you can't make them think! ;o)

Yes please.

Butter or no butter?

The debates are Mitt's last chance to change the direction of his utterly failed campaign. He needs more than scripted "zingers" to sway the American people. He will need to show the voting public that he is a man of intellect and substance and not the guy who is capable of saying asinine extemporaneous things like...

''I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love.'' —Mitt Romney (January 2012)

Mitt will be speaking from a set of prepared answers that are being drilled into his head by his handlers. If he strays from the script by even a tiny bit he will say stupid things that will embarrass him and confirm the suspicious most Americans already have: Romney is not fit to be president.

President Obama in November! He is clearly our only rational choice!

@Laker Steve ......HEAR, HEAR!!!!! Hey have you seen Obama's new campaign slogan?

Barrack Obama; making American families dependent on the government, one entitlement at a time.

Ha Ha

DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY, 2012!!!!!!!!!!

Amy B. Portland, ME

If Mitt Romney is representative of America's CEO class, it's easier to see why the economy is struggling. America has too much deadwood at the top, in my opinion. Too many people kicked upstairs because of who they knew at Harvard.

Kinda like the current President, eh?

After all, we're still waiting to see his college transcripts..........

If he strays from the script by even a tiny bit he will say stupid things that will embarrass him and confirm the suspicious most Americans already have: Romney is not fit to be president

Sailcat,

No kidding!

I'm hoping Willard has a;

I'm not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was Willard Romney - May 17, 2012

moment... lol

Soooooo the Donald is getting in on the action and wants Mittens to ask about the President's birth certificate ...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/01/1138533/--Trump-Advises-Mitt-To-Go-Birther

That would be some must see tee vee!!!!!

Obama/Biden 2012

Sailcat-2064101

President Obama in November! He is clearly our only rational choice!

Yep, especially if you're a food stamp dependent, on welfare or unemployed.

On the irrational side, you have to be a fan of his 2 credit rating declines he engineered along with the Democrats who took over congress in Jan. 2007.

Hi ya Feisty!

This will be the first of the debates where Willard will scurry away from the podium in his effort to escape the bashing he'll receive.

Didn't they make a movie about a rat named "Willard"? Fitting.

Perhaps Robney will tell America why he is part of a party that has refused to pass any jobs bills; let alone creating any, while America continues to struggle with unemployment.

Perhaps he'll talk about why he is part of a party where the main agenda for them is to find more tax credits/loop holes for the ubber wealthy while diminishing as many as possible from the middle class. How does someone making $14 mil a year paying only 12% or so in taxes stand in front of the masses of America who average about 28% in taxes paid while making less than $50,000 and keep a straight face as he tells us that he is 'for us'?

pass the popcorn please!

Ohhhhhh, such "scholars" we have here!

The kind that went to UCLA (University on the Corner of Lexington Avenue)

Ha Ha.....(rolling my eyes, shaking my head, and ROFLMFAO)

DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY 2012!!!!!

On the irrational side, you have to be a fan of his 2 credit rating declines

Again with the lies... eh... little Stevie?

From Standard & Poors;

"The downgrade," S&P said, "reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics."

In particular, Standard & Poor's added, it grew more pessimistic about U.S. debt because of the bitter political fight over raising the debt ceiling.

"The political brinksmanship of recent months," the company said, "highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed."

The agency pointed to political reluctance to make cuts to entitlement programs such as Medicare and Social Security, and Republicans' refusal even to consider increasing revenues by, for instance, ending the Bush tax cuts.

"Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place," the company said. "We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the [debt ceiling deal

Enough with the bull@!$%# already!

nomoresameo

Perhaps Robney will be tell America why he is part of a party that has refused to pass any jobs bills; let alone creating any, while America continues to struggle with unemployment.

Perhaps Obama will tell America how he engineered 2 credit rating declines, over 8% unemployment his entire term, added 7 trillion to debt in less than 4 years, gave amnesty to millions of lawbreaking illegals, blew billions on Solyndra & GM........and the Democrats have had 2/3 or better of Washington since January 2007.

Any jobs bills not passed in the last 5 years are on the Democrats.....but nice try anyway!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Enough with the bull@!$%# already!

You mean the tax cuts that could have easily been removed instead of EXTENDED when the Democrats had 100% of Washington in 2009 & 2010?? THOSE tax cuts?

But hey at least we got a new TAX errrrrrrrrrrrr Health Care.

How does someone making $14 mil a year paying only 12% or so in taxes stand in front of the masses of America who average about 28% in taxes paid while making less than $50,000 and keep a straight face as he tells us that he is 'for us'

Hiya Brian!

Good question!

Poor Willard will have no where to run to and no where to hide tomorrow night! lol

What kind of *popcorn* would you like?

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Poor Willard will have no where to run to and no where to hide tomorrow night!

Neither will Obama as long as questions on the economy, unemployment, debt & job creation are ALLOWED to be asked.........

But I'm sure Obama's already railroaded the allowable questions toward his favor.......Chicago style!

steve hopefully the mob see's it for what it is. Lets see if the questions are indeed railroaded. I expect the economy will be brought up. just curious to where it will get punted too.

Laker Steve said: Neither will Obama as long as questions on the economy, unemployment, debt & job creation are ALLOWED to be asked.........

His answer would be a very simple one: ask the do nothing members from the republican party who have refused to create or pass any legislation to remedy those problems. After all, that is THEIR job.

After that perhaps the questions from the moderator could be: why does the republican party do everything in their power to go against women, minorities, the poor, the middle class, the elderly and anything that has to with alternative fuel sources.

Feisty make my popcorn with a little extra salt and a very cold beer PLEASE!

Feisty, It will be interesting to see if Romney's head explodes trying to explain away his flip flops. An up close look by the country is going to not only end Willard's chances, but it will shut up a lot of the GOP drones.

Red or Green

From the article above:

Still, more than 60 percent say that the debates are either "just somewhat important" or "not at all important" to their votes.

In many ways, this supports the theory that the majority of Americans have had their minds made up for months now.

There are no more undecided voters.

The polls showing President Obama with a 310 to 332 electoral votes at this point are totally accurate.

President Obama is going to win re-election.

The fun tomorrow night, will be watching one of the most articulate, intelligent and populist Presidents this great nation has ever had make mince-meat out of one of the most lying, self-centered, egotistical candidates this nation has ever had.

This should be fun.

We have an on-going debate here in The Land of Enchantment (New Mexico); whether you want red or green chili on your New Mexican food. I know my fellow First Readers like to share their “Popcorn” with each other during events like the debates.

Would anyone care for some chicken enchiladas with their popcorn?

Red or Green, the choice is yours.

Salud

Feisty - I don't know. According to Anne, she is worried about the stress this is taking on Romney's mental state! WOW! And, that's his biggest supporter!

Obama/Biden 2012 - so Mitt can go be stress free!

very cold beer PLEASE!

Salud! ☺

It will be interesting to see if Romney's head explodes trying to explain away his flip flops

B White,

It will be interesting to see if Willard will be able to keep his temper in check!

Neither he nor his wife like being challenged...

People who feel entitled usually don't!

Laker Steve

Yep, especially if you're a food stamp dependent, on welfare or unemployed.

I'm none of the above and the last person I would vote for Romney who can't even run his own campaign.

Also, Romney was not only a fiasco as governor of Massachusetts, he had to ask for tax-payer funded handouts to "fix" the Olympics and companies like Bain's GST that took federal intervention. While the taxpayers had to forkover $$$, Romney and his investors still took home millions.

So please forgive me if I feel that a single mother working a Wal-mart job and taking food stamps is not as bad as Romney and Bain milking taxpayers and making millions for themselves. That's the kind of welfare YOU should be outraged with.

According to Anne, she is worried about the stress this is taking on Romney's mental state!

Seeking,

Hell, I'M worried about the idiots mental state!

WHAAAAAAA.... It's MY turn!

bayllie - Absolutely! Romney's experience with Bain was take companies that are on the brink and load them up with debt to give themselves a big pay day, then file for bankrupcty and let the tax payers pick up the tab while they walk away with thier millions. Can't do that with our country Mitt.

SeekingSanity

Feisty - I don't know. According to Anne, she is worried about the stress this is taking on Romney's mental state!

Maybe Queen Ann can share her partially taxpayer-funded dancing horse for Mitt's mental therapy!

nomoresameo,

Where do you come up with $50K paying 28% ?

nomoresameo

Laker Steve said: Neither will Obama as long as questions on the economy, unemployment, debt & job creation are ALLOWED to be asked.........

His answer would be a very simple one: ask the do nothing members from the republican party who have refused to create or pass any legislation to remedy those problems. After all, that is THEIR job.

Yeah, just blow off 2009 + 2010 when the Democrats had 100% of Washington and could have passed......well just about anything they pleased.

Keep playing the blame game dude.....typical Lib.

Butter or no butter?

No butter please. It's bad for the ticker and it makes the popcorn soggy.

Speaking of soggy...

DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY, 2012!!!!!!!!!!

Oh please... We all know you're not a Dem. What I think you meant to say is...

Dumb Asses for Romney 2012 and Beyond!!!!!!!!!

Romney the perpetual candidate!

Tomas ...

Red or Green, the choice is yours.

Always for the green. And no cold beer for me, after last night's chit chat with a major snarky troll, I'll take margaritas while watching the debates!

But NO drinking games! Unless it's Mitt admitted to a flip! Then the possibility of staying sober would be a good one ....

Obama/Biden 2012

... give themselves a big pay day, then file for bankrupcty and let the tax payers pick up the tab while they walk away with thier millions. Can't do that with our country Mitt.

But they've gatta try. They want to drag her to Grover's mythical tub and drown her.

Sorry Mitt, America, she'a a not for sale.

Laker Steve

But hey at least we got a new TAX errrrrrrrrrrrr Health Care.

you like to bring up ObamaCare. Did you know that the individual mandate was the Republican idea? They came up with it in 1993 and they were all for it...until, of course, Obama was for it.

Wouldn't that make the Republicans one gigantic individual mandate flip-flopping hypocrites?

Laker Steve - Obama had a super majority for 6 months...not 2 years. Look at the facts.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/

Sally Lu

bayllie - Absolutely! Romney's experience with Bain was take companies that are on the brink

companies like Ampad turned moderate profits and had reasonable debts.... until Romney's Bain got its hands on them, of course.

Typical Romney story "bed time" story with not such happy ending: few benefitted while many got f*cked.

Yep, especially if you're a food stamp dependent, on welfare or unemployed.

So... Who else besides the poor and under employed benefit from food stamps and welfare? Hmmm? That's right the wealthy! Who do you think owns the grocery stores, corporate farms and section 8 rental properties? It sure ain't the poor and the worker bees.

Sally Lu - actually it was a scant 44 days because of recesses. But the far righties just can't wrap their minds around facts!

Obama/Biden 2012

Look at the facts.

Sally lu,

Little Stevie can't!

It causes him and the other right wing nitwits to sweat profusely and break out in a nasty rash!

Nice job slapping him down! ☺

SeekingSanity - so true! Fact free propaganda and talking points is all we get from the right!

You have to laugh, GOPers think even a polling question about the debate importance is liberal, media bias. Nothing like buying right-wing hooey, then repeating it.

Nothing like buying right-wing hooey, then repeating it.

The GOP - Lock Step and Loving it!

Laker Steve

Lets say your right and the dems could have really past anything during those two years if they worked in lock step. Even though they couldn't with the filibuster and all, no use trying to lie about it, everyone knows about it. Lets say they could have, but a few dems didn't tow the line so nothing passed. It STILL means EVERY REPUBLICAN voted NO for JOB bills. I would vote for a party that is 90% effective oppose to one that is 100% ineffective.

Read the remarks on the credit downgrade, who do they specifically blame? I don't even need to tell you, because you and everyone else already knows. Yet you still try to rewrite history.

Republican/Tea party; do something to screw up the nation on purpose or accident and just blame it on the left. That is all they have.

Claiming democrats had a filibuster proof majority throughout 2009 and 2010 ignores the fact that republicans did record numbers of filibusters during those 2 years.

"Republicans have ratcheted use of the filibuster up to completely unheard of levels. Look at the things that the House (of Representatives) has passed that can't make it through the Senate. The list just keeps growing," said Norman Ornstein, an expert on Congress at the American Enterprise Institute, a center-right policy organization.

The list includes legislation to overhaul health care, which has stalled and isn't a good bet to be revived; global warming legislation; and a bill to overhaul financial regulation. Thursday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada scaled back a bipartisan jobs bill, fearing that a larger package would get tied up in a filibuster. He also filed a "cloture petition," meaning he plans a vote to cut off a filibuster if one starts.

The Senate's 2009-10 votes to cut off filibusters have come on a wide variety of issues, big and small: Health care, domestic and defense spending, and 15 Obama nominees. While 38 of the 42 votes to cut off debate were successful, the debates about debates tie up the Senate and often prevent measures from ever reaching the floor.

"Republicans are gambling they can convince the American people Democrats can't get much done, and at the moment, their gamble is paying off," said former Sen. Bob Kerrey, a Nebraska Democrat and the president of the New School in New York.

Filibusters weren't supposed to be this effective in the modern era. Senate Rule 22 used to require 67 votes to shut one off. However, outrage at filibusters against civil-rights legislation in the 1950s and 1960s, plus the post-Watergate clean-up-government mood, led to the adoption in 1975 of a 60-vote threshold for ending filibusters.

Ironically, that change helped popularize them.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/02/12/84487/senate-republicans-filibuster.html#storylink=cpy

Feisty, do you ever have anything of substance to say? All you ever do is throw out an attempted insult in response to someone else, or a huge cut and paste with a dumbazz retort. Are you even aware of the issues?

do you ever have anything of substance to say?

Plenty...

You on the other hand Sally... not so much? ☺

dumbazz retort.

So, S&P's own report is considered a dumbazz retort?

There's only one dumbazz here, look in the mirror to find them!

All you did right there is answer my question, and prove my point. And you need to bone up on your reading comprehension. I said 'a huge cut and paste with a dumbazz retort'. That means......pay attention now: A huge cut and paste with YOUR OWN dumbazz retort attached.

Oh, and each time you call me Sally instead of Sal, I will call you FISTED, deal?

I will call you FISTED, deal?

Sally,

It's a deal!

I have been called much worse by much better than impotent internet troll like yourself! ;o)

You really are a miserable human being, and believe me, I do use the latter portion very loosely. Go finish your pitcher of kool-aid while watching Chris Mathews and Rachel Maddow. Oh, and here's another lesson for you: (TROLL-One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.) Sounds exactly like someone from Roselle, IL don't ya think? OMG=Obama Must Go!

Vote independent at least you won't have to lie to your children/grand children when you say you weren't part of the destruction of this once fine country.

@Derek...I am an independent, and whereas my social views are very liberal, I think Romney is what we need for the economy right now, so I'll vote what I think is best for the country. I didn't vote for Obama 4 years ago, so I'm not part of the destruction.

So, Sal, you think taxs breaks for the rich will put the country on the right course, even though that policy has a 30 year record of failure? You think that speeding up the growing economic inequality, thus making the country more like Mexico, is good for the country? You think that 20 to 40,000 people dying every year because they lack access to health care is good for the country? You actually believe a couple of twinks like romney and lyin ryan will get tough on china? They couldn't even get past the walmart greeter. You think the combination of church/corporate control of the state (known as fascism) will be good for the country? You think disenfranchising American citizens will be good for the country? You think that a man who lied when he said he lived simultaneously in utah and massachusetts and has lied about everything ever since (except wanting a tax break) will be good for the country?

If you think that, it's hard to understand why you think you are "an independent."

Edit: I just scrolled up a bit. You say you're an independent, but I think you are using that basic GOP tactic (almost the only GOP tactic) of saying that which is not: now or ever.

On second thought it will be a toss up.

Troy shooting a gator in the head or Romney shooting himself in the foot.

It will probably be Obama shooting himself in his foot as he knows nothing about economics and this first debate is about economic policies.

But then, Obama will also shoot himself in the foot during the second debate as it is about foreign policy and his foreign policy has resulted in an ambassador being killed.

as it is about foreign policy and his foreign policy has resulted in an ambassador being killed.

It is Mitt's handling of the SLC Olympics that resulted in an ambassador being killed. RWNJ logic is kinda fun. It's like playing pin the tail on the donkey. Stick the pin anywhere and blame it on the blindfold, or in the case of the RWNJs, blame it on the tinfoil hat.

Tammy, that's downright disgusting and a complete falsehood. Do you think Bush's foreign policy caused 9/11? I don't. Use your head.

Apparently Romney knows little about economics. A plan to cut tax revenue by 5 trillion, increase military spending and start a new space program all while paying down our debt. He swears it can be done but he can't say how. Trust him, Tammy does. Ryan say's it's too complicated to explain during an interview but doesn't bother to write out the details so experts could study them.

ZMan2012 -

DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY!!!!!

Sorry, amigo. But there is no such thing.

Democrats are far too intelligent to vote for the Governor.

We love America too much to see it turn to fascism under a Romney presidency.

Salud

Sorry, amigo. But there is no such thing.

You beat me to it, Tomas!

Leave the little fella be - the only one he's fooling is himself!

Salud!

You beat me to it, Tomas!

Ms. Redhead.

My mistake.

Perhaps next time, we can beat him together?

Salud

Perhaps next time, we can beat him together?

Tomas,

It would be my pleasure!

Do you want the chain or the whip?

Salud!

Zman: Democrats for Romney? I've seen a lot of republicans for Obama but few like you. It must be lonely.

This poll is pretty much meaningless. Many may feel that they're unimportant to them because they've already made up their mind, others may think they're important because they think their candidate will do better even though they know who they'll vote for. It depends on how you interpret it.

This poll matters greatly. If 60 percent don't think the debates are important, then that huge portion of the population is pretty clueless about politics. Just look at Reagan versus Carter as proof that debates can and do matter.

Unfortunately, many of the ignorant 60 percent will vote.

Calliope - reagan v. carter proves just the opposite: debates don't matter. The very idea of presidential debates is ridiculous. The only possible use they can have is to confuse people who haven't been paying attention because they don't and can't understand the issues. (Romney's "zinger" strategy confirms this.)

Presidential Debates are like "Dancing with the Podiums," a slower and even more inane version of "Dancing With the Stars." Functionally, eighty-five percent of the reason for the debates is to give the media something to hype in its quest for ad dollars. If you have watched TV in the last week or two and you must realize this or you haven't been paying attention. The debates are useless.

Ah yes, I have been watching TV. So interesting to watch the current administration's pathetic Libya cover-up slowly being revealed (on the liberally biased networks). Nice try on the Obama administrations part to try to get across the finish line before the truth comes out. No wonder Obama's team is pushing voters to vote now, before the truth comes out.

Former President Carter disagrees with you that debates don't matter. Just review the PBS Jim Lehrer Debating Our Destiny interview with all involved (Just Google Reagan Carter Debate or go directly to the PBS website). Here is one of many Carter admissions regarding Reagan besting him: "But I think in the contest there just a few days before the election, he came out ahead on that deal."

But I guess, JimD, you know better than Carter.

That's ridiculous...

The only important issues are gay marriage and abortion. These are the only two things that matter. If you're voting for ANY other reason then you are ill-informed because clearly these two issues are what the future of our civilization is hinging on.

And just what do you consider Obama's constant blame of everyone and everything other than himself for his failures?

I'm personally more interested in Mitt and Ann's constant blame of everyone and everything other than themselves for their failures. They do it so well, Bain invested in the printing company that produces the Victim Card.

Tammy-311614

And just what do you consider Obama's constant blame of everyone and everything other than himself for his failures?

This is a marvelous example of Rovian projection tactics.

President Obama has been fixing President Bush’s god-awful mistakes.

The blame, and rightfully so, will always be placed on President Bush, for now, and way into the future.

It’s time people like yourself get over your denial and accept what the MAJORITY of Americans know for a fact.

President Bush screwed things up; president Obama is fixing them back to where we were BEFORE President Bush.

Salud

C.E. Daly ....

I seriously wonder if he's going to go down the ABO road as well ... also, as he stated with George, if he uses "There You Go Again" you can bet something will be thrown ....

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I don't see Obama blaming Bush for anything, he doesn't need to. According to polls most Americans realise the economy collapsed under Bush not Obama and that we're far better off today then when Bush was president. Hard to deny that. Many blame Obama for not getting things back on track fast enough but few for causing our mess. Bush started his 1st term with a mild recession and ended it with the 2nd worst depression in our history despite tripling our deficit and not paying for anything including his wars. That wasn't an eight years well spent. Trickle down didn't work under Bush to say the least but Romney bots believe it'll save the country under his near identical plans. Interesting.

He doesn't want defense contractors to give middle class people the 60 day warning that their job is going away!

Typical GOPTP ploy. The GOPTP led House closes up shop and walks away from their job, leaving the Democrats to once again, do all the hard work, then turn around and blame Obama and the Democrats for mopping up the @!$%# left on the floor.

But hey Alvarez, nice to see you support lazy, entitled, irresponsible GOPTP politicians intent on ruining peoples lives in lieu of performing their job duties, and playing politics vs. going to bat for average working Americans. By the way Alvarez, there are exceptions to the WARN Act .. you might want to check them out. Seems you will need to find another rallying cause to impeach Obama, you haven't a leg to stand on.

Jamie,I see you already know that you can't vote Obama out of office legally so you want to impeach him. The one who should have been impeached is Bush for lying to the country about all the imaginary WMD's,and the killing of our soldiers in Iraq. My grandson being one of them. He really should be tried for Treason. He was a traitor to all the things this country stands for.

Rich -

Obama not obeying the War Powers Act when he went into Libya and supported "Arab Spring' was an impeachable offense. It's just sad that Boehner didn't do anything about it.

Obama's failure to protect our ambassador is dereliction of duty and then lying about it - also impeachable.

It isn't Obama's job to protect our ambassadors abroad. It is the job of the host country.

Tammy - if you had a brain in your head you'd know that if it was an impeachable offense the Republicans in Congress would have jumped all over it! Get a clue!

And RedDev is right on about the ambassadors. You really need to study how the government works since you clearly have no idea!

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Impeach President Obama for what? Because republicans like you don't like him isn't a good enough reason, Jamie.

Tammy -

Obama's failure to protect our ambassador is dereliction of duty and then lying about it - also impeachable.

The terrorist attack on the U.S. Libyan Embassy resulting in the tragic death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and his fellow American patriots. is not President Obama's fault.

It wouldn't be ANY President's fault.

Every American serving the United States outside the country is well aware of the hazards involved.

To take such a cheap shot at the President is disgusting.

Tammy, it sounds like you are a right-wing rookie and you are using 12 year old, Rovian blogging tactics that are no longer useful or effective.

I suggest you go back to Uncle Karl, and tell him its a brand new day, where his out-dated methods no longer work now, tomorrow, or from this point forward.

Salud

So not only do they think it's ok to encourage companies to break the law, but they think the American taxpayer should fit the bill for any legal costs! moneynewsDOTcom/StreetTalk/WARN-govt-layoff-notices/2012/10/02/id/458345 OMG=Obama Must Go!

US diplomats in Libya repeatedly asked administration for beefed-up security in Benghazi in run-up to Sept. 11 attack on consulate that left Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead — and were 'denied these resources,' two congressional lawmakers say. OMG=Obama Must Go!

Red is correct. The host country is required to protect the embassy. Each host country has very strict rules on how much security the embassy can have. That usually mean a small group of maybe a half dozen CIA security personnel with hand guns only.

LockheedMartin got one of the emails.

LockheedMartin got one of the emails.

But did they get the memo?

do94 - I would like to see Grover Norquist investigated for treason. He has no right to demand allegience of anyone - especially people elected to serve the country. And, every Republican who has signed his pledge should also be investigated.

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On what grounds? He hasn't declared war. If the president isn't smart enough to have the DoJ investigate then what more do you want?

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

@do94-1288902 it's easily found thru the following google term: white house legal costs industry layoffs. Research and education are wonderful tools. And highly recommended before hitting the voting booth.

Sweetie, you're asking for an awful lot!

:)

I will, just as soon as you show me proof of your accusation.

Morgs74 - that would be the Republican group in Florida that was caught fraudulently padding voter rolls with and had been paid $3.2 million by the GOP. Watch the news - it helps you keep up!

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SeekingSanity

had been paid $3.2 million by the GOP. Watch the news - it helps you keep up!

the Republican party cannot keep up (or chooses not to keep up) so don't expect people like Morgs74 to.

There were a series of voter-fraud allegations against Nathan Sproul in 2004 already. Sproul and firms linked to him have been paid $21.2 million by the Republican Party, its candidates and affiliated interest groups over the past nine years.

the GOP should have seen this one coming but I guess they thought they could get away with it AGAIN.

RNC has suspended voter registration drives in 5 swing states due to the "Consultant" debacle in Florida. RNC employee caught on video pretending to be from the Voter Registration Office and requesting republican registration. Other incident, on tape along with registration card, registrant asked to fill out new voter registration card after indicating democratic party as affiliation, leaving affiliation blank, I believe that was in Washington State. Nice RNC caught doing what they accused Democrats doing continuously. Liars and hypocrites. Google away boys if you want proof.

Maybe romney will get a hot foot and have to answer some direct questions and be specific on something. Nah he'll say he's for and Thursday it'll be business as usual.

Obama 2012

Romney supports the right of every citizen who supports him the right to vote. It's true.

NPR broadcasts the debate and they are very good as a source for just the facts with no spin machine running them in circles. been watching NPR (net here in nebraska) for the conventions and debates for a few elections now and i spend much less time dizzy as a result...

I'd be more concerned about your green card

Best way to watch debates? One of two ways. Turn the TV on, turn the sound off and watch affect.

Or

Turn the TV off and listen to it on the radio.

Either way, you will learn a lot more than you think.

And all that anti Danish fervor over cartoons was Obana's fault too, I suppose. What kind of Moron are you?Of course people believe they will riot and kill over a video-they have already proved that. If you are so interested in the religious aspects of these matters perhaps you ought to investigate Mormonism a little closer-the secret parts that involve truly nutty stuff-you OK with that? What a pathetic hater. Its sad.

We saw this in his attempts to intercede on behalf of the planners of the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" near the site of what was the World Trade Center

Nice to know you are against religious freedom. Are you trying to pass yourself off as an American citizen?

You remind me of the type of mentality that resulted in Japanese-Americans being put in concentration camps during WWII....it was a stain on the honor of this country and it's a mistake that we won't repeat. There are a billion peaceful Muslims in the world and it is through friendship and understanding with them that we will eventually defeat Islamic extremism.

Anybody can register under any name - why don't I believe Ahad is your real name?

Everything you read on the internet is true! NOT.

The debates and whether Romney continues to refuse to answer how his 5 trillion dollar tax, plan to increase military spending and create a new space program can all be paid for all while paying down our debt and without raising taxes on the middle class. Reputable economists say it isn't possible as removing all deductions from the wealthy, (which won't happen ) would only make up about half the tax cut alone. It certainly wouldn't cover military and space spending. He claims he can do it but won't say how.

I was upset that Obama didn't speak against the ground 0 mosque, but then less than a year later, he decided to have Seal Team 6 off Osama in a magnificent way. I have no problem with Obama having decency towards muslims (even if I don't) so long as he's killing the ones who plot against/kill us. Obama being "sympathetic" to muslims is a moot argument. He sure as heck didn't go easy on Osama, and wasn't sympathetic towards him, so I defer to his judgement. He accomplished far more on the terrorism front than GWB did, and republicans act like the rest of America should just conveniently forget that. That along with standing up for women's rights were the two most important promises he made in 2008 that I wanted him to keep. He kept them and not only that, my 401K began to grow again!

I'd have to be brainless to want to go backwards which is where MR wants to take us, and since I like the job Obama has done, I will vote for him!

Obama killed osama! That alone should be enough for a re-elect! After all, in 2004 we kept hearing from the GOP how important it was to go after our attackers. When the democrat gets it done, you literally hear *crickets* from the GOP side. But they'd have rubbed it in our faces if a GOP member of politics had accomplished it. Problem is, I only remember GOP presidential candidates talking about how they WOULD NOT go after Osama if we learned he was in Pakistan! So, they do nothing for jobs women, or national security...what's the reason to vote for them again? Is it a decent reason that an independent would listen to, or more GOP trash talking points? Independents aren't going to take your crazy talk seriously you know.

Hummbird, you used the term 'moochers' not Romney, guess that's how you yourself categorize the 47% or you wouldn't have said it. So, Bain capitol makes money, you do know that billions are invested in Bain through retirement funds held by Teachers, Fireman and Police organizations. You do know that don't you? And why, because they are successful and make money. How the heck do you think our retirement funds grow? Through companies like Bain. How absolutely uninformed liberals are. You guys are funny.

Sane, 15 Staples are closing, Burger King, Dunkin Donuts, Dominoes (franchises) employ part timers, min. wage, no benefits, Staples most employees are part time, min. wage, no benefits employees, same for Toys R Us. Great job creation at high pay, all employees part of the parasitic 47%. Just love the guy who touts job creation achievements for the 47% and still holds them in contempt.

Obama 2012

Over 30,000 people who make over $1,000,000 in income paid no income tax last year, are they part of the 47%? At least with Romney's plan to cut taxes across the board 20% and eliminate capital gains those 30,000 will probably triple. I bet $10,000 those people will still vote for Romney even if they are part of the 47%.

LOL! Are Mormons allowed to do that?

Sueb1

LOL! Are Mormons allowed to do that?

grey area, its only a sin if you get caught...

Check for hairy palms during the debate!

Thomas

Thank You, that was a great one. I read these posts for the chits and giggles.

Most of these rwnj posts are just to unbelievable, can they truly believe the BS they spout, can't believe they do!

This is a Great Country we live in. We have done some amazing things for the good. Those are the things that NEARLY ALL people see as what makes us proud to be who we are.

It's not what the Republicans (aka American Taliban) are trying to turn this country into.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send These, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my Lamp beside the Golden Door."

Lady Liberty Speaking

Thats MY Country.

CheddarIsBetter - let's see, like the teleprompters Romney has used at every event? Like the teleprompters ALL Presidents in modern time have used???

What an idiot!!!

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As chedderisdumber demonstated, there are two kinds of republicans: the rich and the stupid.

You can believe they are important even if your minds made up. I think it's important for the undecided to hear the candidates when they can't avoid the questions.

guy - but President Obama reconsidered his timeline after meeting with the military experts. He decided this was the best way to leave Afghanistan and not destroy any progress made there. When he made his original projection, he didn't have access to all the military data or advice.l

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@ Seeking....A smart leader would not have made any "projections" without having all that was required to make an informed decision.......That is were that little thing called experience comes in handy.

PValdes - then you must be VERY upset that Romney is making projections already. Right?

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I don't know why he left it off, the governement allowed it per the tax code didn't it. So the man gives 4 million of 13 million in income to charity and you're bitching about how he handled the donation in his tax return. Wonder how much you gave in charity, want to bet it was peanuts? And, let's take a look at your tax return, did you use charity contribution category at all? If you did, did you get a credit? So you see, each of us use the tax code as written. Its also a known fact conservatives give more to charity than liberals. Has been for years.

Sane.....Why didnt he just file for it. He IS going to file a amended form to get every penny owed to him. It was just a distortion so his tax rate would be above 10 percent. Like he said himself, it would disqualify him if he didnt get every penny owed to him by the IRS. Obviously our tax system is skewed to rich people like Mitt. He had a long time to up his charitable contributions. You know. Retroactive contributions to go along with his retroactive retirement from Bain to go along with his retroactive taxes paid when he was caught cheating on them.

He's just a retroactive kind of guy.

Did romney give to the local homelss shelter, food bank, free clinics, nah all to the Mormon Temple, and your point, how does one have a $102,000,000 personal IRA, when the average person can only contribute what $5,000 a year, how do you do that?

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Seeking...You really dont think it matters how much longer we stay in Afghanistan. We are failures at building democratic states. If people want democracy they have to fight for it. Afghanistan is a tribal society and will never change. Never should have been there in the first place.

Guy ...it does matter. The mission changed. We went from liberating a people from the Taliban to trying to build a democracy....They do not want democracy.....They want us the F*ck OUT...

Pvaldes....Exactly. We could stay there 50 years, lose many more brave men and woman and the result would be the same.

Most of us wish they'd bombed the crap out of them after 9-11 and never sent troops there. Spilt milk. There was 10,000 or so Al'Queda trainees at a dozen or so camps on 9-11. We could have wiped them out and felt like we had justice. All Afghanistan did was create far more Al'Queda then there was when we invaded. And more anti-Americanism.