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Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney leaves his campaign headquarters in Boston on September 30, 2012.
*** Needing a great October: One of the truths of this presidential contest is that Mitt Romney hasn’t just had a rough last three weeks; he’s also had a rough last three months. In fact, you could argue that he hasn’t “won” a month since May or June (and June turned against him in a hurry, think of the SCOTUS decision on health care). In July, Romney battled questions about his tax returns, his tenure at Bain Capital, and even his overseas trip to Europe and Israel. In August, the Paul Ryan VP pick didn’t give the campaign much of a bounce, and Clint Eastwood’s impromptu dialogue with an empty chair upstaged Romney’s own convention speech. And in September, the GOP presidential nominee had to contend with polls showing President Obama ahead, as well as the fallout from those “47%” comments. So with the final full month of the presidential race beginning today -- and with early voting already underway in key battleground states -- Romney needs a great October to turn around this race. And it begins with Wednesday night’s presidential debate in Colorado.
Slideshow: Mitt Romney's life in politics
Candidates Obama and Romney were both quick to lower expectations for their upcoming debate in Denver, Colo. – the first of three potentially game-changing face-offs. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.
*** Christie raises the bar for Romney, Obama lowers it for himself: On the Sunday shows yesterday, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) didn’t try to lower debate expectations for Romney. Instead, he promised a game-changer. “I am telling you, David, come Thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change,” Christie told NBC’s David Gregory on “Meet the Press.” More Christie: “Wednesday night's the restart of this campaign. And I think you're going to see those numbers start to move right back in the other direction.” (In fairness to Christie, he was pretty much saying what everyone thinks is true -- Romney NEEDS something big to change this race.) White House senior adviser David Plouffe, who followed Christie on “Meet,” responded this way: “If it's going to fundamentally change, that means in seven or 10 days from now, you'll see states like Ohio tied, states like Iowa tied, because that's what really matters here. So they've set the bar quite high.” And while Christie raised expectations for Romney, Obama lowered them for himself during a campaign rally in Las Vegas last night. “Gov. Romney, he's a good debater. I'm just OK,” Obama said, per NBC’s Shawna Thomas. “But what I'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hardworking Americans.” Let’s face facts: Romney can’t simply fight to a draw. He needs to rattle the president; he needs to rally his own base; and he needs to hope he re-inserts the questions swing voters have had about the president.
*** Romney hits Obama on Libya, Middle East: If you write a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Libya and the Middle East just two days before the first presidential debate -- which is supposed to be on the economy -- chances are that you’re signaling that you want the issue to be raised on Wednesday night. “Disturbing developments are sweeping across the greater Middle East. In Syria, tens of thousands of innocent people have been slaughtered. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood has come to power, and the country's peace treaty with Israel hangs in the balance. In Libya, our ambassador was murdered in a terrorist attack,” Romney writes. “These developments are not, as President Obama says, mere ‘bumps in the road.’ They are major issues that put our security at risk. Yet amid this upheaval, our country seems to be at the mercy of events rather than shaping them. We're not moving them in a direction that protects our people or our allies.” Politico reports that Romney advisers are divided -- do you continue to go after Obama on Libya, or do you keep it about the economy? Yet if you spent five minutes re-watching Plouffe struggle dealing with these questions on “Meet the Press” then you realize it’s too rich of a debate target NOT to bring up.
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd explains why this month could change the course of the Romney campaign.
*** Administration fully changes its tune on the Libya attack: One of the reasons why Romney might want to talk about Libya at Wednesday’s debate and not the upcoming ones is that the Obama administration is now fully calling the attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Libya an organized terrorist attack. In a statement on Friday -- news dump time! -- Director of National Intelligence head James Clapper said in a statement that “American intelligence agencies ‘revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists,’” the New York Times noted over the weekend. Why the change from a couple of weeks ago, when UN Ambassador Susan Rice was telling folks that the attack -- according to information they had at the time -- wasn’t premeditated? On “Meet” yesterday, Plouffe answered that the intelligence had changed. “Obviously, you're going to know more two weeks after an event than a week after an event. And Ambassador Rice, that was the information from the intelligence community. It was the same information provided for Congress.”
Slideshow: Obama's fourth year in office
*** Ryan on the math behind Romney’s tax plan: “It would take me too long to go through all of that”: Also yesterday, Paul Ryan was asked by FOX’s Chris Wallace to do the math how he and Mitt Romney would pay for their tax cuts. Ryan’s answer: “Well, I don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of that. But let me say it this way: You can lower tax rates by 20% across the board by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions, for home purchases, for health care.” Saying that it would take too long to go through the math only feeds into a terrible narrative for Romney and Ryan: The math really doesn’t add up. And so if the Romney camp is smelling blood on Libya and the Middle East as we head into Wednesday’s debate, the same is probably true for the Obama camp when it comes to Romney’s tax plan. Romney has two fundamental hurdles he has yet to clear with persuadable voters: How are his plans different from the Bush years? And what are the details of those plans?
*** Polling update: Nationally, a Washington Post-ABC poll shows Obama leading Romney by two points among likely voters, 49-47%, but up by 11 points in swing states, 52-41%. And a Politico/GW poll also has Obama up 49-47% among likely voters. In the states, the Des Moines Register’s latest survey of Iowa finds Obama ahead by four points, 49%-45%. And in Ohio, a Columbus Dispatch poll has Obama up 51-42%.
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In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.
*** On the trail: Romney holds a rally in Denver at 9:15 pm ET… Paul Ryan has a campaign event in Dubuque, IA at 7:50 pm ET… And Ann Romney stumps in Henderson, NV, where President Obama is doing his debate prep.
*** Today’s back-and-forth: Ahead of Wednesday’s debate, the RNC is up with “Obama’s Broken Debate Promises,” and the DNC has a web video trying to increase debate expectations for the Romney camp. The DNC also is bracketing Ryan’s stop in Iowa with a bus tour.
*** Boston Globe poll shows Warren leading Brown: Finally, in Lowell, MA beginning at 7:00 pm ET, NBC’s David Gregory moderates a debate between Sen. Scott Brown (R) and Elizabeth Warren (D). The debate comes as a new Boston Globe poll shows Warren ahead of Brown, 43%-38% -- “a shift from the Globe’s last poll in May, when Brown held a 2-point lead. But the race remains within either candidate’s grasp, with 18 percent of voters still undecided, said Andrew E. Smith, the Globe’s pollster and the director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center.”
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Vote for President Obama like your middle class life depends on it....because it does!
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386,000 more jobs created than previous estimates:
The Bureau of Labor Statistics released a new benchmark for payroll employment last Thursday, reporting that the non-farm job count from March 2011 to March 2012 was underestimated by 386,000 jobs.
"If not for deep cuts in government jobs, net job growth in Obama's first term probably would have turned positive long ago. The BLS revision raised private payrolls by 453,000 jobs, but lowered government payrolls by 67,000. That means, in total, federal, state and local government payrolls are 743,000 jobs lower than they were when Obama took office. Private payrolls, in contrast, are 868,000 jobs higher than when Obama took office, including the benchmark revision." (Huffington Post)
In other words, President Obama has overseen a net positive of 125,000 jobs added to the economy. After factoring in the massive job losses in January 2009, more Americans are employed today, than when the President was sworn in.
The Bureau's findings debunk GOP's relentlessly false accusations. Mitt Romney can no longer make the claim that there has been a net job loss since the President took office.
Name the Craziest GOP Tactic—Multiple Choice:
1.On Saturday John Sununu accused President Obama of being timid and waiting too long to kill Osama Bin Laden. Did he forget that Bush 43 gave up trying to kill Bin Laden and Romney said it was not worth moving heaven and earth just trying to catch one man? Timid…Waiting too long. You have to be kidding.
2.The Romney team sent out a flyer to residents in northern Virginia pledging to fight chronic Lyme disease. They describe a massive epidemic threatening Virginia. What they did not say is that the tick must be on the skin for 36 hours to transmit the bacteria and the Center for Disease Control reports there is no such thing as chronic Lyme disease. With all the problems facing our Republic, Romney wants to talk about Lyme disease. Guess that changes the conversation form Romney's tax returns, destroying Medicare as we know it, Romney's tax policy, and his 47%...victims' speech.
3.Crazy Tea Partier and senatorial candidate, Todd Akin, says that "Free enterprise means being allowed to deny equal pay to women". Akin voted against the Lily Ledbetter act, clearly suggesting he is not for equal financial rights for women, plus he thinks that by some magical means women cannot get pregnant when raped. Folks, you just can't make this stuff up.
4.In Florida a GOP/TP volunteer tells a senior citizen that President Obama is a Muslim and will get rid of your Medicare. She ended her comments by advising the senior citizen to watch Fox News. The head of the Clay County GOP said the volunteer "went off script". Somehow I really have trouble believing the Clay County GOP chairperson.
5.Fox News host, Mike Huckabee, suggests that President Obama should be impeached over the Libya incident. He tried to make a comparison between the Watergate scandal which eventually took down Richard Nixon and the Libyan terrorist attack. Following Huckabee's reasoning it would have made more sense to impeach Bush 43 for heeding the intelligence that lead to the 9/11 attack. Mike's pretzel logic only works in the GOP alternative universe.
So you have five possibilities of crazy, mixed-up thinking. It's just too hard to pick one tactic, so multiple answers are acceptable. And the GOP/TP think they can win the presidency and senate seats using these tactics? It's not going to happen.
What does it say when Lyin Ryan can not even answer a question posed by Fox News?
Let the games begin... T-minus 60 hours...
Chris, Ron and Feisty, a good Monday morning,
Throughout President Obama's term: The stock market has shown double-digit annual gains and solid performance.
"Consumer confidence is at its highest level since February. Home values are up and, more important in the election season, housing prices in 20 major cities, many of them in battleground states, rose in July. Despite recent declines, the stock market has been on an upswing, adding value to Americans' 401(k) retirement plans." (WP, Sept 27/12)
On employment & recovery: Let's remember that GOP congressionals have voted brazenly in lockstep, since President Obama was inaugurated, to block our job creation and economic recovery. Slowest or zero -- is/was GOP's plan.
700,000 public sector layoffs equate to more than 1.3 million related job losses. Without such layoffs, the U.S. unemployment rate would today be at 7% or lower.
Even so, in Ohio and Virginia unemployment rates are 7.2 percent and 5.9 percent respectively, in many ways reflecting the success of the Auto recovery and supply chains -- championed by President Obama. Industry research shows that 800,000 jobs in Ohio, are tied to the auto industry.
Let it forever be remembered, that Romney's advice in his NYT Op-Ed was "let the auto industry go bankrupt". Mitt Romney did zero to help Detroit. After all, Detroit is chock full of those 47%-ers.
Romney in need of a great October…
Then I guess he's off to a good start. The latest polls from ABC News/ Wash Post and Politico show movement in his direction. Because current polling methodology necessarily uses either total registered voters or the last election cycle as a starting point to come up with their likely voter calculations and because both of these methods favor Democrats, Obama needs a lead outside the margin of error to truly be in the lead.
"And I think you're going to see those numbers start to move right back in the other direction."
Waaait a minute!
Weren't all of the republicon sycophants claiming to pay no attention to the polls because of the vast leftwing media conspiracy and that the numbers were invalid???
Man First Read, for a candidate that has had such a rotten 3 weeks or as you say 3 months, he's still neck and neck with this give away President.
How about an in depth story on why, in your words, such a horrible candidate could still be virtually tied with an incumbent President?
Come on Mark and Domenico, I know you guys can do it.
All you have to do is try.
Ron- you have to love Huckabee's comments about anything (not).
the guy couldn't even win his party's nomination to be prez, but he sure has all the criticisms of the guy the MAJORITY of us voted for to be prez!
Feisty and GBM - RomneyRyan don't want us to know.
GOP's Bill Kristol told Fox News host Chris Wallace a week ago:"
"Bush was president during the financial meltdown, the Obama team has turned that around pretty well. Bill Clinton's speech at the convention was very important in that way."
GOP/Koch/Adelson don't want us to know that, either.
Hi Drive-by: Funny, but I thought Huckabee was smarter than that. Guess his logic is as twisted as all the other RWNJ's.
Romney is finish, his run is over !!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring Wedenesday on!!! I will cherish Romney blowing a gasket.
Thinking about the debates tomorrow, I think someone should ask Romney this:
Did you take the IRS Amnesty offered in 08?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/07/17/romney_s_tax_returns
_is_the_2009_swiss_bank_account_amnesty_what_he_doesn_t_want_us_to_see_.html
Weren't all of the republicon sycophants claiming to pay no attention to the polls because of the vast leftwing media conspiracy and that the numbers were invalid???
I've never said not to pay attention to the polls as they are all that we have to guage the race. I just think you should do so with some caution and should be aware of their limitations. They are good for showing current trends, but don't necessarily show who ultimately will win the race.
Romney really needs to tell us about his job creating record in Massachusetts. That he doesn't talk about it is one of the great omissions of his campaign.
In the 4 years he was Governor of Massachusetts, how'd he do at creating jobs?
In the 4 year period previous to his taking office, Massachusetts ranked 37th in job growth. A great opportunity to work his magic as a proven job creator.
He achieved a rank of 47th in his 4 years. Only 3 states underperformed Massachusetts in job creation in this period.
Romney failed at proving himself as a job creator in Massachusetts.
With his current plan for America, he will fail again.
OBAMA 2012.... For America's Future.
Good morning every one.
Ron Indiana
Name the Craziest GOP Tactic—Multiple Choice:
♥ your Brain teaser
Let me just say this regarding the Craziest GOP Tactic--
You can try to stop a train, but if the brakes were installed wrong it's still going off that cliff--the GOP is going plump craaazy.
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Ron,
Romney is not the leader of his party.
He is just the guy who jump out of the primary clown car.
The clowns are still driving around with their nutty road map trying put this country back into the dark ages.
Ron Indiana-- Madeline Albright said it well when speaking about Romney:
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/30/14161885-madeleine-albright-theres-just-nothing-going-on-with-romney?lite
Correction to my first post: 09 was the year, and the link only works by clicking the bottom line. Linking problem?
I am so looking forward to the debates starting Wednesday. A tip for Romney, "BEWARE THE IDES OF OCTOBER." President Obama will start slow and then progress and build momentum in the 2nd debate, and then crush Romney in the 3rd and final debate. I see it coming. Romney's no match for the President over 3 debates. Then we can see it's all over for Willard and he slowly fades in to the distance as our President sweeps the election. Good riddance, go cry and snivel with your rich elite buddies.
OBAMA IN 2012.
Chuck,
Queen Annie is already worried about his sanity;
Top of the morning to you Backhouse!
Good Morning Northstar: You are spot-on that Romney is not the leader of his party. My best guess is...Rush Limbaugh. After all, he's the biggest clown of them all.
Backhouse -- How do you explain that out of the top 10 states, seven states are under Republican leadership?? North Dakota +5.73%; Utah +3.04%; OK +2.72%; LA +2.52%; Wyoming +2.25%; Texas +1.96. (These are the top 6). These states are carrying the weight of job growth and are growing in spite of Obama's policies. Most of these jobs you will find being in the private fossil fuel world of production. If the BLS has not cooked the books on purpose, these numbers -- if true and that is a big IF from BLS -- aren't any better if not worse than the job creation numbers you poo-poo in MA when Romney was governor. Double standard and hypocrisy.
Besides, until these numbers were revised by BLS (LMAO) no one was lying because they were going on what was published. Not saying you said it but just keep it in mind.
@Shaak -- Why don't you look at the unemployment rate in MA during the same time period??? How states had much higher unemployment rates. I believe that is a successful job in keeping state residents employed. Romney has always been successful in what he was hired to do. No -- no one is perfect -- but his record is something Obama can't even smell. Obama's record smells like a fart.
Ron, nothing like some GOP crazy to start the week. Makes the Romney team sound not only inept but desperate.
GBM, terrific post. It shows just how far off the right-wing extremist cliff the GOP has fallen.
Puh-lease. I was thinking the same thing; you beat me to it!
Don't Carry It All:
Does anyone really believe that Romney can participate in a gaffe free debate?
I really enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work.
Jody:
Your Friday posts are outstanding. This craziness happened in just the past two days.
Henry Kissinger says Obama will create a New World Order: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL79a7rf1xY&feature=plcp
Hi Beverly: I certainly do enjoy your comments. The Romney train will jump the rails on Thursday morning.
Both parties (Democrats and Republicans) are the same thing, both New World Order SCUM!
Mitt has no chance, great Oct or not. Herman Cain had a better chance of winning versus Obama then Mitt Romney. Keep in mind folks, Mitt has been running for POTUS since 2008 and he still can not win or get ahead. What does that say about him and who he is. If he can not change anyone's mind in 4 plus years, it just is not happening.
Remember to vote everyone ! Have a great day !
I notice you leave illegal from every reference of immigrant. Can I ask what fences are going up to stop legal immigrants? Can I ask what program is in place by executive order that proposes deporting immigrants that are not here illegally?
As to illegal immigrants only taking jobs American refuse to do, do you still think that is true today? Why do you support a policy that depresses the wages of those with the least education? Why do you support a policy that is unfair to the 4.5 million who are legally waiting to enter the United States? Why do you post a statement that is blatantly false because it does not differentiate between legal and illegal?
GBM - I am contemplating changing my vote from Obama to Romney. You see, the other day, I had to run to the grocery store, so I jumped into my 737 (I have the model with roll down windows) zoomed to the store, but alas, I couldn't find a parking place. I taxied around the parking lot for about 20 minutes then lo and behold, there was Romney and he was holding a parking place just for me and my 737. Well, I tell you I parked, dashed out of the plane, and told him thank you, thank you. The only thing he wanted in return was my vote.
The choice is now very difficult for me. A vote for Romney, millions in tax cuts for me and my billionaire friends, and most importantly for a man who saved the day by holding a parking place for my 737; or a vote for Obama, the man who turned a global economic collapse around, ensured 'those people' have insurance, whose primary concern is for the simple common man? Decisions, decisions, decisions.
Ron Indiana -- Not sure how Romney will answer the questions in the debates because he has about 3 different positions on every issue! Ha. Enjoy reading your posts as well Ron. Very informative. Anyway, Thomas Friedman sums up Romney pretty well in this piece from NYT:
@Ben
In addition to your point, no one has ever claimed that green energy would be a net job creater. They have no answer for the number of jobs that would be destroyed in mining, drilling, transportation, refining, engineering, that would not replaced by green technologies that are not labor intensive. This does not even address the economic effect of higher energy costs on other industries.
Roger,
Currently, 30 states are open for early voting today.
I prefer to vote on election day.
Love walking to m polling place a block away and seeing my neighbors, filling out the ballot and wathcing it being scanned into the counting machine. Get my sticker "I voted" and go to work.
You have a good day too.
In July, Romney battled questions about his tax returns, his tenure at Bain Capital, and even his overseas trip to Europe and Israel.
Rmoney must think these questions will just fade away. They aren't.
And it is working!
Here's a link to a most interesting graph that shows GDP growth from 2007 to 2012. Note the fall of almost 9% at the end of 2008 - the infamous Bush Recession. By the beginning of 2010, Obama had hit his stride and we had almost 6 full months of ~ 4% growth in the GDP.
But we all know what happened in 2010 and you can clearly see the results in this graph. As soon as the influx of Republican nay-sayers hit Congress, GDP growth fell to 0.4% and never again hit the highs we saw in the beginning of 2010!
Vote all Republicans out! Vote a straight Democratic ticket this fall!
@Alan -- Great point. They have no answers. But what they do have already in the can are the praise postings for Thursday morning as to how well Obama did in the debates -- exceeding expectations.
@DCIA
...and the difference on Iran is what exactly?
Romney was Rejected in 2008, once a Reject always a Reject !!!!!!!
Obama was raised by Communist grandparents and a Communist mentor. Once a Communist always a Communist!!!!!!!!
GBM, thanks for a great post.
The latest "Rolling Stone" article clearly shows, how Romney would be Norquist/Adelson/Transnationals' signing PEN.
Even as Romney waffles and backtracks & cross his fingers, Romney would sign all of their tax cuts and de-regulation, get rid of healthcare, put an end to Medicare, Medicaid, and whatever safety nets for the 47-96% of Americans. A quick look at what GOP has been doing over recent years confirms it.
Also, the "Rolling Stone" issue of September 13/2012 - with a cartoon of Romney is on the cover - exposes Romney's Bain crookery in detail.
Fool's Gold
Romney in need of a great October…
Then I guess he's off to a good start.
Nope, you are wrong. There are LIARS in the "MYTH" Romney campaign. Lies don't count!!!
Still stings a little; HUH? You'll get over it come November 7th when President Obama wins since "MYTH" has already given his October surprise. The October surprise will not be a red line or a strike on Iran FOX NOISE and BiBi Net-N Yahoo want. It will be "MYTH" Romney loses the debates.
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Alan -- The difference? Well a few weeks back ROMNEY was trying to OUTSOURCE our foreign policy to another.
I can't wait for Romney to extend out his hand and offer the President of the United States and $100,000.00 bet during the debate.
The debate: Romney will fall on his Face !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Salve
Obamadus. The man that loves his TV time, the outlandish exaggerations and lack of desire to really govern. Sounds like Commodus. Both Megalomaniacs. Commodus slew 12k men and Obama created 12mil jobs. Both are exaggerations and both have an ego the size of the colisseum. Obama the gladitor HAHAHAHA. FAIL
What is the difference between Mitt Romney's head and a pumpkin?
At the end of October the pumpkin will have a light in it.
For those on the right that have a hard time with the LONG VIEW. We need other sources of energy for the future. Selfish people obviously cannot think beyond their own limited time on this planet. We invest in research and in other sources of energy FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. Get educated on sustainability issues.
Chris Dorr Mi - Vote Obama for the middle class, why? $5,000 less in median income, 8%+ unemployment, Bev's hometown of Chicago IS the foreclosure city of America, congratulations on yet another award for destroying America, Democrats should be proud! Vote Obama for the middle class WHY? There are no FACTS at ALL to back this up. But why let facts get in the way of the blind!
DCIA, cheers to Friedman for speaking the truth. Romney would outsource Iran to Netanyahu. The GOP seems stuck in the Cold War era; Romney even claimed Russia as our #1 geopolitical enemy.
E.Engineer, well said informative post, thanks.
Forrest Grump, good one. LOL
Willard's hunt for a great October.
Let the slapstick comedy begin.
When you slip in a slippery comment about the Bureau of Labor Statistics maybe "cooking the books" .......
your comment no longer registers.
Ben
Job growth in Massachusetts was 1.4% under Romney while job growth under George Bush for the entire nation was 5.3% in the same period.
When you only do 25% as much as the nation, I call that underachieving. I'd even call Romney's performance in creating more jobs a failure. As Governor, he refused to raise taxes on the rich while hitting everyone else with widespread user fees. He practiced austerity, cutting aid to education, local governments, job training programs, and trade assistance. His jobs record reflects his policies there.
Austerity doesn't work in a high unemployment economy. Romney proved it in Massachusetts.
I'm voting OBAMA 2012, so Romney won't get a chance to prove once again that austerity won't solve our most pressing problem of JOBS.
OBAMA 2012 .....For American Jobs.
Jody - He said it well, didn't he? Here is the link, which I forgot to add in that post. I need more caffeine this morning! Here's another excerpt as well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinion/sunday/friedman-the-world-were-actually-living-in.html?hp&_r=0
Only way Romney gets a good october is to shut his traps.
Walmart has a sale for plungers, they are $.99 cents a pair.
One for his mouth and the other one for you know where.
Otherwise the footn'mouth disease he has is turning RED states into BLUE states...by the time he's done, only his wife and a couple of hill billy rednecks will be the only voters he will have left...
Shaak, well said.
In the 37 months following a mild recession, the Bush Administration created 1.1 million jobs.
In the 30 months following a second Great Depression, the Obama Administration created 4.6 million jobs.
(nb. In light of recent BLS data, Obama job creation figures will be revised upwards = increased.)
Why has the American News Media allowed all this to happen? The republicans are running a Man for the Presidency whom no one, including the Media, knows much about. The Man is secretive, grasping, and only says He will cut taxes for the wealthy. The rest of His campaign is totally based on various, and mostly perverted criticisms of the the 1st term of President Obama. What the hell is this? Those who have chosen to support the President speculate on Romneys sorriness. Those who have chosen to support Romney speculate on His goodness. The gwaddamn media, absent substance, speculate both ways. The American News media, like bombing runs over a desolate garbage heap that yield no returns, are becoming little more than uninformed productions of loud and glitzy, deluded illusions, based upon the movement of winds, rather than substantive descriptions of what is in those winds. A definite impediment to an informed electorate.
DontCarryItAll - Do you by investing in companies like Soyndra, were Obama gives taxpayer money to a company whose one of his top "BUNDLERS"? The top Bundlers wife recieves 2 million from Solyndra as a lawyer for the Bankrupt company. Crownism the Chicago way, the Obama way.
geo -- That's just BS. But I will make a deal with you. Let's sponsor legislation that says ANY BUSINESS that wants to business with the government WILL NOT BE allowed donate a single dime to the candidates.
Then the "APPEARANCE" of cronyism disappears.
Backhouse - Really 4,6 million jobs? Then why are thier 5 million less people working under Obama than Bush? 63 million to 58 million?
You can't turn around a triple dip recession in a month. Obama is a one trick pony that can only deficit spend his way out of every problem. People took a chance when they voted for Obama but I can assure you they will not be taking that chance again. I love all these post saying "vote for Obama to save the middle class"... That is the biggest load of garbage ever. Obama has done, and will do, more to damage the middle class than any other president. Obama has created generational bankruptcy for the middle class by ballooning the national debt. Yes, I know Bush did it too and I was pissed then. However, Obama DOUBLED the deficit spending rate.
And how much do we really know about Obama ? Community Organizer... boom into Illinois legislative body, boom to Senate ... then, boom runs for White House and gets elected with litttle Senate experience and no significant authored legislation.
OBAMA SAID HE WOULD REVEAL HIS CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS DURING HIS LAST RUN FOR OFFICE, ONLY TO CHANGE COURSE AND REMAIN SECRETIVE.
Meanwhile, while Obama claims to be a Christian, he went to church where "God Damn America" was preached and had contacts with Bill Ayers and reads from the playbook of Saul ALinsky. Obama acts more like a closet Muslim and has supported the Arab Spring. He supported the change in power in Egypt where the Muslim Brotherhood is now in power.
Dont_carry_it_all - No that is true. And I agree with your point. The Obama Administration gave 3 BILLION to the Indians. Who in return donated 10's of millions of dollars to, guess who, yep Obama. Using taxpayer money to buy votes, the Chicago way, the Obama way. Check it out in the Chicago Trib.
Backhouse
When you slip in a slippery comment about the Bureau of Labor Statistics maybe "cooking the books" .......
your comment no longer registers.
I can hear the desperation in their voices. Let me break it done like a fraction for the them.
The republiCons have introduced :
http://ametia.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/gop-score-card.jpg?w=640
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Despite all this obstruction our President is still moving this nation forward. The problem with righties is they are just not progressive. I don't mean progressive in as in leaning left. I mean they are stuck in yesteryear.
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Obama/Biden 2012
Obama is giving billions to South American dictators while banning drilling by US companies. Why was Obama against the pipeline? That was a no-brainer. Only a pill taking, mindless, echo chamber robot of a person would defend such a poor decision by the president. Obama is the most corrupt president in American history. The only problem is we have the most corrupt congress in american history that not only turns the other way, but encourages him.
Microeconomic solutions don't work in solving macroeconomic problems. Mitt's expertise is in microeconomics. You can cut jobs to make a company more profitable when its sales underperform in the marketplace. However, when all companies pursue this strategy in a slow sales economy, the result is millions of lost jobs.
I wonder how many macroeconomics course Mitt took at Harvard. It seems to me that he is totally ignorant about how to deal with the economy as a whole. Perhaps, he should release his college transcripts, so we can see that he has little knowledge about how to manage an economy.
Worse, his success at microeconomic thinking in his business career, has probably created a bias in his mind towards microeconomic thinking even when addressing problems in the economy as a whole.
Romney's CEO style only magnifies this problem as he is used to commanding what he is presented with by his subordinates. Thus, he remains clueless on issues such as job creation. He proved this as Governor of Massachusetts where his business "genius" simply failed to produce anything but mediocre job growth.
Romney, the wrong choice for America.
OBAMA 2012.....for America's future.
Alan NJ
Answer: The Immigration and Naturalization Service.
If you've never been through the process, or tried to help someone gain legal status, you don't know the first thing about it.
Bev - Again, congratulations on Chicago being the #1 Foreclosure city. Congratulations on the teachers raises, the Chicago Public Schools are over 1 BILLION in debt, but those teachers of the 40% graduation rate got thier raise. Democrats should be proud. Look out tax payers here it comes!
shaak322
So when Nancy Pelosi says that $1 in welfare spending yields $2 in economic growth, does that make sense?
How is $16 Trillion in debt and $250Billion/year in interest payments going to solve anything?
What about $22Trillon and $350Billion a year? That would be 1/2 the defense budget....
Another example of the Left's use of lies and inability to understand numerical concepts. Massachusetts had great job growth under Romney; in fact, Massachusetts had essentially full employment. As such, your percentage job growth will be slower than other areas that were experiencing higher unemployment and then were experiencing job growth after the dot com bust (brought on by Clinton's guy, Janet Reno) and the bust after the terrorist attacks on the US. And by the end of Romney's term, Massachusetts moved from 47th to 28th. But don't consider using the whole truth if it clearly destroys your illegitimate point.
"No one in this administration knows anything about macroeconomics. I can say this through direct personal contact with him. The programs he has put forth have definitely not worked. You can say whatever else you want about them, the unemployment numbers have gotten worse, theres been 40 odd weeks in which we've more than 8% but, that's not the real number. The real number is if you take people who have been part time employed, involuntarily, by the way, that number is 15%...15% today, 4 years into his presidency."
- Mort Zuckerman - Democrat and former Obama supporter
At least Romney is a honest man. Obama is a narcissist liar that likes to manipulate people.
White Collar Auto.......you said:
That's simple. You GOPeaParty folk would vote for "ANYBODY but Obama". ....and, you are proving it.
BUT.....Romney is not even close with President Obama in the essential swing states.
Why should anyone believe a Romney administration would be any more competent than his campaign?
Obama is an excellent campaigner but an incompetent President. Romney isn't a great campaigner but has shown competency throughout his career.
Colorado-Man
But 28th place in job growth is just mediocre. Not very impressive for someone of Romney's alleged business genius.
Wow, another attack ad - sorry, article - by MSNBC against Romney.
MSNBC continue their one sided attack campaign against Romney, but they refuse to ask Obama, the sitting president ANY tough questions about his failure to cut the deficits, or bring down unemployment, or even his administration's confused and inexplicable reaction to the TERROR ATTACKS on U.S. embassies and consulates, which left the American ambassador to Libya (and three other Americans) dead.
Not to mention the less than stellar results of Obama's outreach to the Muslim world!
But it looks like CNN isn't afraid to ask questions. Here's 10 questions for Obama:
How about another round of QE4!!!!! Lets print more money, that really helps out the middle class!
there ya go Alan, Jack here knows it all, and apparently is displeased with the Immigration policies. So Jack since you know the first thing about it, what do you do to help the situation? Do you think we should just allow them pour over our sovereing borders? I bet you're a coyote huh Jack.
Hey Einstein might wanta check out Stockton CA as having the highest number of forecloses
But why let facts get in the way of the blind!
Caesar Augustus,
The liberals believe that the US should not have any borders, or limits on immigration. I mean, it would just be offensive to screen these people for third world diseases. After all, it is far more tolerant to let your children be exposed to un-vaccinated children.
Caesar Augustus,
I do know quite a bit about it, yes.
And I did not say I was "displeased" with INS policies; I was merely stating a fact.
Nope, not a coyote.
I don't know what a "sovereing" border is.
You're 0 for 4. Not a very good batting average.
Are you able to say anything intelligent? Or are you just going to sit there drooling in the corner?
Im waiting for the Government to ask Parker Bros. to start printing money.
uh oh, a pompous lib pointing out a typo.
Yes Jackie boy, you said a lot of intelligent things in your long winded rant as well. In fact you said nothing other than I know because I know.
Listening to Jelly Roll yesterday, and Robme and his disgruntled minions today, reminds me of Hitler in his bunker blabbering about how his non-existant armies were going to launch a counterattack that would drive the allies to their knees.
On the morning of Nov. 7th his minions will have to inform Robme and Lyin' that there imaginary armies do not exist, except in their feeble little minds. No debate can change the dynamics...maybe some treasonous Oct/Nov "surprise", like Reagan cutting a deal with the Ayatollah in 1980 to bring the hostages home. No one is more capable than the GOP/TP at treasonous surprises, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one, but given their inate stupidity it will likely explode in their face like a loaded cigar.
Caesar
The government printing press is already going at maximum capacity. Parker Bros. could be given a contract to help with the printing to keep up with this administrations demands.
Obama administration fully changes its tune on the Libya attack.
They've been changing their tune ever since they took office.....either that or blaming Bush for their policy failures ever since they took over Congress on 1/2007.
Here's Obama's hopey-changey list he CAN'T run for re-election on:
Unemployment
Economy
Job creation
Debt
But he can run on I guess:
Food Stamps
Welfare checks
Illegals
Colorado-Man
no it didn't. You're using apples and a dancing horse to compare.
47th out of 50 number was for Romney's ENTIRE tenure (4 years).
28th number is a one-year snapshot
it's like saying your last year's grade point average = to your total grade point average for all 4 years.
so again, for 4 years Romney 47th number is a D- or 94% did better than Romney.
So yeah, Romney sucked!
Romney's own party is telling him to turn this election around and fix his problems. That's why GOP mouthpieces like Christie are making unprecedented predictions of huge Romney wins at the debates: Romney is being given no other choice but to win and win big. If he can't, he has failed and the RNC is going to place the blame directly on Mitt's narrow shoulders.
So, Romney is bleating his message of a big October. He has no choice.
It doesn't matter what I say. You'll attack it because that's all you know how to do. You're not interested in reasoned discourse, and you'll make assumptions on the basis of what you want to believe, not on what is stated. You've already proved it.
I almost feel sorry for Mitt.....He is sooo out to lunch.
ditto. I did ask you to enlighten us. You made a general statement and then claim no one will listen.
as you assume
not at all, you made a general statement that you know because you know. I said I bet you're a coyote thats all.
October depends on how honestly the mainstream media covers the Obama campaign. Obama claims he will add 1 million new manufacturing jobs but doesn't say how, and the media doesn't ask. Obama claims he will cut the debt by 4 trillion but doesn't say how, and the media doesn't ask. Similar promises to the last election and he broke those, so why trust him now?
The Obama administration has clearly tried to mislead on the Libya attacks, but the mainstream media is not seeking the truth. This is the most biased media coverage of any presidential election ever, and the result of corporations with political ideology controlling what is suppose to be non-biased reporting. We have just 5 huge corporations controlling the vast majority of all news in this country, and their political ideology is very liberal leaning.
Screeeminglib - Info from this Sundays Chicago Tribune front page. Einstein! Congratulations on yet another Democratic city being in the front runner position! Again, don't let facts get in the way of a Story.
You are the one spewing mis-information. According to FactCheck.org
For example, the Obama campaign claimed in an ad that when Romney was governor, Massachusetts “fell to 47th in job creation.” It’s true that over Romney’s four years as governor, the state ranked 47th out of 50 states in percentage of job growth. It had ranked 37th in the four years prior.
There’s another way to look at the numbers. Instead of looking at the cumulative, four-year ranking, the Romney campaign prefers to cite the year-to-year progress.
In the 12 months before Romney took office, the state ranked 50th in job creation, and for his first 12 months in office, the state remained 50th. But by his final year, the state ranked 28th. That’s still mediocre, but an improvement, and not a decline, as the ad would lead viewers to believe.
Inside the Media:
David Gregory misquotes the President about 'al Queda twice to set up a bash piece on Meet The Press.
This is after Gregory attends a Republican advocacy group as a special speaker.
Chuck Todd repeatedly calls the Republican Party "our party" on air, but a least has the grace to look
embarrassed afterwards.
Friday's First Thoughts has the entire first thread deleted, which contained many good discussion points
from both sides, but ultimately supported the President.
Could it be that the "horse race" isn't close enough to support the advertising revenue projections for
the network?
Bonus tidbit: Whack-a-Doodle polling site "Unskewed" has unskewed the Fox poll that shows the President
winning. Guess what? The President is still winning, so much for the new "alternate reality". I hear warm
tea and a good cry will get you through the five stages. And the way you Teapubs are going, you're going
to need a couple of bath towels.
Ultra Special Super Bonus Two Bite Tidbit: FZ6Man (if that is your real name :^)): If you think both
parties are the same, ask yourself this: Would an Al Gore presidency had been the same as a George Bush
presidency? We both know they wouldn't have been by at least one war, possibly two. So here is my bold
prediction that is a cinch lead pipe lock, stone cold, take it to the bank and put in in their most secure,
nitrogen filled, triple walled glass display case; There will not be a third party President until said third
party has 60 members in the house and 5 senators. So when and until that happens, save your third
party outgassing for a Jovian moon that needs it. Also...
ROMBOT.HAS.NOTHING!!!!
Good morning folks, it's nice to see the usual suspects hard at work this morning.
I have no comments or observations this morning. I think I've said it all before and I'll leave you to you mud-pie party.
I'm waiting for Wednesday evening and Thursday morning. That will tell the tale. Until then it's all just hot air.
If Romney scores big, we've got a race. If not, it's over.
Obama/Biden 2012
You keep proving me right. I didn't say "no one" will listen, I said you won't listen. You're not much on reading comprehension, are you?
The proof that you will make assumptions based on what you believe, and not on what is stated, is what began this discussion. I wrote post #1.68 to Alan, and you responded in post #1.79 with all kinds of assumptions that no disinterested (or reasonable) person would have made. If I had wanted to set a trap for stupidity, I couldn't have done a better job.
Now, go away.
Naturalized Citizen Jack. And on the day of the ceremony had my car towed in Newark NJ because the ceremony ran late. It was a funny "welcome to America" moment. Next Question.
Pessimistic GOP attitude about immigration - "since you know the first thing about it, what do you do to help the situation?"
It is hard as an individual to make a change to a broken immigration system that need comprehensive reform. It is also quite unwise to supposedly know the past actions or experiences of other posters. My part, working within what can be done in the current system my wife and I recently volunteered to help qualifying individuals apply for work permits.
Maybe this is what Obama meant when he said change can also come from outside of Washington.
Obama 2012 - For giving the "Dreamers" a chance.
Two less wars, countless more terrorist attacks on America. OBL would still be alive today because no effort would be used to find KSM nor would enhanced interrogations be used to get actionable info. Financial meltdown would still have occurred because Frank and Dodd would still control banking committees and blocking reforms.
But we would all be lectured to death on the evils of fossil fuel.
R$mney needs to focus on..... FILLING OUT Job Applications. The one for President is already filled with Obama.
Obama 2012/R$Mney 1040
maybe, maybe not. I would disagree that Obama truly cares (except for votes) but people on the left do think he is the savior to mankind. So I'll leave it at that.
blanket Amnesty is a dream of a lot of illegal immigrants. They would love that chance. Bipartisan reform is the key.
sure Jack the pompous one. you continue with the I know because I know but I think Alan trumped ya. vale
Dreamers rule the night but pragmatist conquers the day.
Obama has employed a novel strategy. Make the US economy so bad that Mexicans are better off in Mexico than here.
Actually, thanks to Univision, I think Hispanics will turn on Obama over the disaster of Fast and Furious and the callous disregard for Mexicans and their safety.
David gregory is republican through and through. Every question he asked of bully boy Christie went unanswered and he never called him on it. He was playing softball. When it came to the democrats, he pushed republican talking points and wasted most of the time on libya. This must have tim Russert spinning in his grave. Gregory does not even try to give a appearance of non partisanship, Fire him now.
Mitt, no amount of etch-a-sketch shaking will make us forget that you are unfit to govern. Your lying is pathological and you should be tested for psychopathy. (only 1% of psychopaths are violent and incarserated. 8% are CEOs, and the number psychopath politicians has not been calculated.)
Q22
sorry for "yelling" but i have no choice:
READ WHAT YOU WRITE. I HIGHLIGHTED IT FOR YOU. HOLLY CRAP!
see the words in bold? year (or 12 month) vs 4 years???????????????????????????
how dense can one be????????????????????????????????????????
you copy and paste things you don't understand, do you?
In your own statement, you pasted Romney campaign prefers to cite the year-to-year progress. Why? Because it makes him look good. But unfortunately for you and Romney, he was a gov. for 4 years, not one.
BTW, Romney sucked BEFORE the financial meltown of 2008. He would have sucked even more had he been the gov. after. He barely beat post-Katrina LA for crying out loud!
I'm late on this one but Ben, Rob, somebody up there was talking about job creation and the fossil fuel industry
The problem with that is in the process, Florida literally becomes submerged over the next few hundred years.
I'm all for jobs, but not at the peril of the first 30 feet of elevation of land surface of the entire planet.
Is that the excuse of this week Rick? Why just last week all the polls were wrong, now they aren't and it's back to the old worn out "it's the media's fault". You ever tire of running in circles?
Mitt is a "Day Cream Believer and a Homecoming Queen!" Where have I heard those words before?
Baylie,
He started off in 50th place. DEAD LAST in the year before he took office and his first year in office. If the previous 4 years ranked 37th that means they were in a mean freefall when Romney took office. He not only stopped the fall but returned the state to growth. All with an opposition legislature!
Compare that to Obama who took office with a bad economy and has made it worse over 4 years.
The choice is pretty clear on who has done a better job on jobs and the economy.
The Biggest loser? I thought that Mitt was that when he was governor of Mass. Why do the polls have him trailing in Mass. 60% -40% if he was so good at creating jobs? Mass. ranked 47th when he left office at creating jobs? Vote Obama for jobs instead of empty words!
Wake Up Now,
Study macroeconomics. When Nancy Pelosi says every $1 spent on welfare produces $2 in economic activity, she is referring to the multiplier effect as described in Keynesian economics.
Infrastructure spending creates the greatest multiplier effect, but other government spending also results in a multiplier effect.
Mitt Romney will always be the bridesmaid but never the bride, he has been running for president for 8 years and it is just not happening for him, what makes Republicans think he will bust a move in the next month. Republicans did not think he was the man for the job in the last election cycle, so what has changed about him, what makes him any better now, and if all you got is ABO I will tell you that obviously that is not enough. McCain was republicans choice last time over Romney and he lost to Obama, what makes anybody think that Romney as the default candidate in an even weaker field would fare any better. He might have had a chance if republicans in Congress had accomplished something, but they were so worried about Obama having some success, they deprived themselves of any success as well, and in the process helped to seal Romney's fate. Welcome to Waterloo Mr. Romney!
Oh, there has been a multiplier effect all right, A multiplier in the deficit with a dearth of jobs. Good one Obama!
Actually he has talked about it several times, evidently you were not listening. Even if he didn't talk about it all you have to do is go onto the Labor Board and get the historial numbers for Massachusetts there.
As stated on practically every fact check site you can think of, this is a false statement, with documentation to back it up. Not to mention if you had done your own research you might know this and stop repeating false information that enforces how much you don't or want to know about the candidates.
In the 12 months before Romney took office, the state ranked 50th in job creation, and by his final year, the state ranked 28th. If you had bothered to do your research, you would have been more accurate to say Romney “left his state” in 28th place, not 47th.
Want to make a sound judgement on your choice, stop repeating propaganda and start doing your own research. Not researching the truth, or being educated enough to know how to research is how people allow their country to become a dictatorship. That goes for both party followers.
Q22
and
clb-462357
so let me guess. When you tell people your high school grade point average, you tell people what you got the first semester, and your last semester, or do you tell people what your average was for the entire 4 years?
also
so to sum it up for you:
Swift (governor before Romney) = 37th
Romney's 4 years = 47th
Patrick's (governor after Romney) first 4 years=10th
BTW, why isn't Romney talking about Massachusets? I keep asking but no one will answer. If Romney was so GOOD, why isn't he? Is he shy?
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/romneys-jobs-record-is-best-or-worst/
Q22
Romney issued some 800 vetoes in 4 years. He made his choices and his bed.
People of Mass are just happy that he spent 2006 campaigning for his 2008 presidential bid or they fear the damage might have been greater.
MSNBC, Your pro-Romney bias is showing again. Gallop and other Neutral polls have President Obama far ahead. Oh yes, MSNBC, Washington Post is Conservative.
And thats my opinion.
Bay-lie,
You continue to show your inability to understand rates versus actual magnitudes. And unemployment still went down under Romney's tenure as governor, even though Massachusetts was nearly at full employment.
Bad analogy - students don't inherit a previous students grades . A better one would be a coach taking over for a losing team. The year before he took over the team was in last place. in four years he turned them around into a respectable team. As a fan, do you care what his cumulative record is over the four years or the progress your team has made from when the coach took over?
MSNBC pro Romney???? Washington Post Conservative?????? Yikes!
BTW, the two most accurate polls from the last election were Rasmussen and Pew - both have the race within 1 point.
If you think your life depends on someone winning a popularity contest, then you are a sheep and are giving way to much power to a millionaire you have never met, never will meet and is currently living in a publicly finded palace.
What is really going to change about your life on November 7 if Romney wins? Will you suddenly go blind, maybe a limb falls off? No, you will get up and do the exact same thing you did on Nov 6th, the only difference is, depending on the winner, you will either say I told you so or that the next 4 years are going to suck. Just like everyone else has done efter every election.
What should be more alarming, is that less then 3 weeks after Americans were murdered, the hundred explanations we have been given since then have added up to no clear answer as to what happened at our consulate. Either becuase they don't know (which is incompetence) or they don't want the public to know. (Which is lying). So which is it, incompetence or lying?
Either way, this news agency, which once led the world in INFORMING the public about injustice done by the government, is now championing the very injustice that they once saught to destroy. There is not one article about the current situation in Libya on the front page, but instead, they have another we hate Romney piece.
I'm not sure what NBC stands to gain by blatantly taking The Presidents side on every issue, or what it stands to lose if Romney wins? If your life is dependent on the outcome of this election, then it is because you put yourself in that position, and now you want the rest to pay for it.
.Obama the promise BREAKER!! Equals a LIAR!!! BIG EMBARRASSMENT to the USA!!!
Obama’s promise that his healthcare proposals would “never be purchased with [a] tax increase on middle-class families.” The SUPREME COURT & JUSTICE DEPT say it is a TAX!!! .Attack on the middle Class! Taxation by misrepresentation---the LARGEST TAX in World History!!! Does he remove the tax part????....NO!!!
…….…NOW Obama wants to invade Syria and Iran!!!
..mr. American businessman..YOU DID NOT MAKE THAT!! It was stolen from the back of the worker---PURE MARXISM!!...this is PURE BS!!
…ANTI-American…tell it to Ford or Steve Jobs or the Mom& POP store on the corner>>>How is it that NON taxpayers built an Infrastructure??
…Now BOZOhussen tells the UN that the 9/11 attacks on USA embassy’s were from a lame youtube video!!. While Over-the-HILl’ry and the Fed Security depts. say it was Al-Qaeda Islamic Terrorists… He tells the UN that NO where in the World should anyone be able to say anything against Islam or its profit( yes spelled that way on purpose~~). The Constitutional genius has forgotten the 1st Amendment!!.. TOtaLLY Un-American!!
Q22......you said:
Well, so did Mike Tyson or Madonna (show competency throughout their careers). So what?
The U.S. isn't a business. The types and level of competency needed to govern as POTUS is far different and beyond that of a mere CEO. Mr. Romney would be out of his depth. Even his wife indirectly confirmed this with her recent comment about his "mental health".
Please, have Mr. Romney submit his resume for Sec. of Treasury or Commerce in the next Obama administration. It will be an equal opportunity employer.
Oh.....and, thanks for the admission that Romney's campaign has been incompetently managed.
Sing it with me children..
"You ain't worth and ounce
If you ain't got that bounce...doowop...doowop...doowop?"
Obama/Biden 2012
Deficit spending causes inflation. Every dollar that the government spends that it created out of thin air devalues the dollar in your pocket. If you truly think that government spending creates economic growth then you are delusional. If your opinion is in the majority then the country is toast.
Wake up now: You really shouldn't use immigration as a weapon against Obama it's a losing one. Romney's 59 point plans include allowing 1,250,000 high tech workers to immigrate from China, India and elsewhere being given immediate legal status claiming a shortage of high tech workers even though unemployment numbers in those sectors are double what they were before the meltdown. He also supports reducing or eliminating caps on H1B visa's. Opponents accuse Romney of simply wanting to dilute the job pool with millions of low paid foreign workers in one of the few remaining high paying sectors. Explain how not only allowing but buying air fare with green cards at the airport for millions will create more jobs for Americans. Romney did say these millions of new Americans would create support jobs for existing ones. Like selling them Big Macs.
(--TIME magazine, May 10, "Why GOP Senators Won't Play on Immigration Reform")
Alan - Sorry about your car. The ceremony went long did it? During my wife's naturalization ceremony the (president's) congratulation speech was way too long. Had to watch George Bush stumble through his teleprompted words.
The ineptitude of the former INS and its incorporation into the Dept. of Homeland Security into the US Citizen and Immigration services is second to none. We started before Bush's all encompassing change after the 911 terror attacks, the creation of a giant government bureaucracy by the way. Had to live through the affidavit letters to prove my marriage, the interviews with lawyers, and judges. Had to put up with two instances where they lost our application once under INS once under CIS. We moved to a new state during the ten process, little did we know that we would be penalized and have to reapply. I guess they would have prefered that we lie and say we were still residing in the state we applied. However can't complain as she was able to vote to turn the House blue in 2006 and has voted ever since.
Yes I understand the process and agree with legal immigration. I believe that legal immigrants should not lose their place in line or be supplanted by others who came by other methods. However, I believe that those "undocumented" who currently have no chance to be placed in legal status should be addressed. I think a first start would be the passage of the Dream act. Next would be comprehensive reform involving border enforcement, cracking down on employeers, increasing legal immigrant quotas, implementing a temp. work program and dealing with the 12 million who are in the shadows. I for one supported the McCain/Kennedy bill supported by W. Someone mentioned bipartisan reform well that seems "Far and Away."
geo 1957..... - why do you post lies that are so easy to check? Chicago is not #1 in foreclosures in the country. In fact, it isn't even in the top 10! LIAR
jim - the Muslim rhetoric just proves how desperate you on the far right are. You have nothing else so you tout the "maybe he's a Muslim" stupidity. My guess is you call yourself a Christian. "nuff said!
Ben - you and Jim are good friends, I guess. The communist thing - please! What idiots the GOP has!
Obama/Biden 2012
fhbj2000:
What is really going to change in my life if Romney wins the election, you ask?
Well, for starters, my home mortgage tax deduction will be taken away to pay for Romney's new tax cuts for the wealthy. That will raise my taxes by about $10,000/year. How much will it raise yours?
Ryan was right, it is complicated and would take quite a bit to explain. But, IMO, Romney’s tax plan is to shrink government and shift costs back to the states. He has said he will cut tax rates, but revenue will stay the same. That is not lowering tax rates, just shifting costs. To balance the budget his plan is to cut Medicaid by one third or 200 billion dollars. Then give block grants to the states of what is left and index it to inflation. This revenue will have to be replaced by the states in the form of higher taxes. Education will also take a hit. States will be forced to raise taxes or cut services. States tend to have a flatter tax, so the burden of tax increases will fall on the middle class more heavily than the wealthy. Educating children in a state does not mean they are going to use that education in that state, thus Federal planning at least gives most kids a chance at a decent education. When they move to where jobs are, the states will not feel the burden of educating individuals and not benefiting from their knowledge. Even so, state spending varies greatly and achievements are not equal. If your state has a poor education system in place now, it will only get worse under Romney’s cuts. Another area of inequality is Medicaid for seniors. Currently Medicaid can be allocated at the Federal level to states that have more seniors. Would it be fair for Northern states to collect lower taxes during a workers life knowing that many will relocate south when they retire and they will not have as many to care for? What happens in Florida, Texas, Arizona, Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi? Do their residents want to pay high taxes to take care of the seniors that retire there? Are they then going to build a wall on their northern boarders to prohibit anyone over 55 moving there?
Ryan was correct, it is complicated. But Romney’s desired outcome is easy to derive. Lowering the tax rate by 8% across the board will give large tax breaks to the wealthy that will have to be made up by the middle class. If you own a tax program, it is easy to create a fictional family of four. Run the numbers for a family making 50,000 a year, then one making a million a year. Romney’s tax plan will be very clear.
Of course, we will have alternatives. We can always allow our children to continue their downward spiral compared to other countries. As for seniors, let them find their own cardboard box and steam grate to reside at.
Wake Up Now
What's the biggest problem facing American economy NOW? Inflation, really?
It is jobs. Stimulus spending increases growth rate and jobs. When inflation does kick in, the Fed can raise its present discount rate of 0% to something higher. We have more ammunition to fight inflation than we've ever had.
Increasing our rate of growth will increase employment, raise tax revenues, raise incomes, raise profits, and ultimately will reduce costs of government safety net and unemployment benefits, thus setting the stage for real budget deficit reductions. Interest rates can then be raised a bit, so that retirees can see greater earnings from their savings.
By the way, Romney ranked 47th of 50 governors in job growth from 2003 to 2007, and at the end of his term as Mass. governor, the state's unemployment rate was the same as the nation's unemployment rate. That he didn't do better shows how little his experience at Bain translated into his success as a job creator in Massachusetts.
Romney/Ryan 2012 - Paul Ryan 2016
Sorry, Romney wants to lower the tax rate by 20% across the board, not 8%.
On the brighter side for Romney/Ryan campaign, they have gone from 0% Black vote to .01%.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/42127b7c15/blacks-for-romney?rel=player&playlist=featured_videos
www.funnyordie.com/videos/42127b7c15/blacks-for-romney?rel=player&playlist=featured_videos
I have a nephew (I’ll call him Jim, not his real name), well, he’s my niece’s husband, who started a hardware store and is doing very well at it. He is a big Romney supporter and hates Obama for saying “You didn’t build it.” Jim’s very adamant about his business and will let you know that he built from nothing. As always, I congratulated him on his successful business and had the following conversation with him.
ME: how’s your customer base for the foreseeable future. JIM: It looks very good. ME: So, the customers are a big part of your successful business? JIM: Of course. Without those customers, I would not be where I am.” ME: So, without the customers, you would be nowhere!? JIM: that’s right! ME: so, you can say that the customers are a big part of your successful business and they have helped you in building this business. JIM: that’s right!
ME: Where’s your manufacturing facility? JIM: What? ME: you know, where you build all the tools, and hardware that you sell here? JIM: what are you talking about! I get my merchandise from manufacturers and wholesalers. ME: So, you don’t make the tools yourself, but you depend on manufacturers and wholesalers to sell you the merchandise so you can then sell it to your customers? JIM: that’s right. ME: So, without the manufacturers and the wholesalers you wouldn’t have anything to sell to the customers and you would not have a successful business? JIM: that’s right! ME: Then, would you say that the manufacturers and wholesalers have helped you in this process? JIM: You could say that, yes.
ME: How long did it take you, or does it take you to bring all this merchandise to your store? JIM: What? ME: how many trips do you make to personally pick up these items and bring them to your store? JIM: I don’t do that! They ship me the items, after I make the requests, on trucks and other vehicles. ME: so, all your merchandise is brought to you by trucks, and these trucks were built by, er…GM, Ford, Chryslers, etc., is that correct? JIM: sure, I guess so. ME: so, without these trucks, built by other companies, there would be no means to get the merchandise to your store? JIM: I guess not,
ME: So, how long did it take you to build this building? JIM: what? ME: you know, how long did it take you to build this structure that houses all your merchandise? JIM: I didn’t build this building. I bought it and had it remodeled . ME: so, someone else built the building housing your business and somebody else remodeled it to accommodate you merchandise? JIM: Yeah, sure. ME: so without the work from the original builders and the remodelers, you would not have this store? JIM: OK! ME: would you say that the builders and the remodelers helped you in setting this store up? JIM: I suppose so!
ME: So, where’s your power plant? JIM: my what? ME: you know, the power plant where you get your electricity to run all the lights, fixtures, and demo tools you have on display? JIM: what are you talking about? I get my electricity from the city. ME: so, all the power that runs this place comes from the city’s electrical grid? JIM yes! ME: would you say that the city is contributing to the success of your business by keeping the power flowing to your building? JIM: I guess so.
ME: how long did it take you to build the street and sidewalk in front of your building? JIM: what!? ME: I’m talking about the paved street, the cement sidewalk, and the cement approach in front of your building. Without that, customers, and deliveries would have a hard time getting to your store, wouldn’t they? JIM: I guess so. But the street and sidewalk was there when I bought the place. ME: so, would you say that if the city had not paved the street, laid the sidewalk, connected that street and sidewalk to other roads, there would not be a means for your merchandise to get to your store? JIM: I suppose so.
ME: where are your water pumps and water supply? JIM: what are you talking about (getting visibly annoyed at my line of questioning)? ME: you know, where does all the water come from that you use in you paint, your solvents, and you woodwork demos? JIM: you know very well that I get it from the city. ME: so, the city is again contributing to your successful business by insuring you have a never ending water supply? JIM: I guess so.
ME: how long does it take you to stock all the merchandise? How do you handle giving your customers so much personal attention to make them come back to your store time and time again? JIM: WHAT!!? Well, you have loyal customers, you must be giving them all that service to keep them happy, right!? JIM: I provide personal service, but I also have very good employees, that I selected myself, that know how to treat customers. ME: So, your employees are a big part of your successful business, am I understanding this correctly? JIM: yeah! That’s right!
ME: man, you must have had a good stash of money to buy the building, have it refurbished, buy all the merchandise. You are very lucky! JIM: I didn’t have much at all. I put together a business plan, showed it to my bank and convinced them to hand me a loan. ME: what! You borrowed the money? JIM: that’s right! Otherwise, I couldn’t afford to get this business started. ME: so, would you say that without your bank’s help, there would not be a hardware store? JIM: yeah. I guess so. What’s with all these dumb questions??
ME: well, you told me that you built it yourself, but it seems there were many other people involved in making this business so successful. Let’s see, customers buy your stuff; manufacturers wholesalers sell you this stuff; trucks built by one of the car companies bring you the stuff, city’s utilities keep you supplied with water, power, gas, etc.; city’s public works have laid the infrastructure that allows the stuff to get to your store; employees keep the shelves stocked and keep the customers happy; lenders provided the capital to start your business. So, what exactly did you build yourself? JIM: well, I put it all together, so I built it!! ME: wouldn’t it be more correctly to say that you had an idea and made yourself available of all the services from other private institutions, government agencies and labor, to make your business successful and that without all that society provides, there would not be a business? JIM: OK! You got me there. I built it, but with help from many others.
Isn’t it amazing how the light comes on when things are broken down to its basic elements……. So, how many other JIM's are out there that believe that they BUILT IT!?!?!
border joe. Not one responsible person that has health insurance will pay the tax. Now on the other hand, if you are a leech, quit sucking blood.
My health insurace premiums are predicted to go down at least 15-30% next year.
Q22:
More terrorist attacks? You mean like the Millenium attacks? Oh, wait Clinton/Gore stopped those.
You think that when "all the lights were blinking red" President Gore would have said,"now you've covered
your @ss", then gone on vacation somewhere? Think President Gore would have ignored the P.D.B. that
said, "Bin Laden determined to strike the U.S."? Because that's what happened under your god-like,
uber-prescient 43rd President. So your arguments are completely laughable, other wordly, alternate
reality punchlines from a tragically lame joke.
Hope that cleared things up for you.
Whaaaaaattt!
Wow! Mitt Robme AND Paul "Lyin" Ryan literally don't think they have to do ANYTHING at all to get the job except continue to bash the President. It's more like, they really don't want the job because Romney & Ryan both are doing everything they can to LOSE this election.
Refusing to answer questions the American People are asking is just fatal to any campaign, and Robme and Ryan are doing just that!
No answers to questions, and no tax returns.
It would take Paul Ryan too long to answer ONE question? Translation: Paul Ryan is really just talking crap, trying to lie their way into the White House. Anybody who falls for this cheap stunt must have a head full of rocks!
Obama/Biden 2012
So I'm practicing my cringes, in preparation for Romney's performance on Wed.
There's my, "Uhhh, I can't watch this" cringe.
The, "Did he really just say that" cringe.
My personal favorite, "Oh for the love of God" cringe.
And finally, the all important, "Huh, that makes no sense" cringe.
President Reagan granted amnesty for undocumented immigrants in the early 80's. Ever since, illegal immigration just became a bigger problem as more came in to the country with hopes of another amnesty.
Illegal immigrants do not come on foot alone crossing our borders with mexico and canada. They come from other countries as tourists and overstay their visas. Unfortunately, a poor illegal immigrant from mexico will stand out compared to a poor immigrant from Ireland or Scotland. It is easier for a white skinned European illegal immigrant who speaks english to blend in than a spanish speaking dark skinned south american illegal immigrant.
It is not my intention to seem racist with this observation but that is the reality of things.
And for Alan in NJ: I believe the citizenship interview notice you receive do not guarantee a time for how long the processing will take. To park on the street and take the chance of your car getting a ticket or towed is on you. A colleague who went for citizenship interview, I gave a paid day off for the uncertainty of the process on condition that we get a call on approval of US citizenship.
When Swift left office unemployment was at a high of 6%. After Romney came into office it steadily went down until he left office and it was at around 4.6%. You use these compared numbers to hide the fact he brought unemployment down to record low levels, who cares how it compared with Texas, unemployment was under 5% and the only way he could of did better in job creation was if he started importing labor to help his stats compared with other states.
Right now Obama is 44th out of 44 Presidents in recession recovery (Dead Last!) How is that for a number?
Romney knows how many states make up the USA unlike obama. Romney will kick the dog poop out of obama during the debates as obama's failed policies wont be able to be hidden by the media any longer.
7.62,
Now that's just intellectually dishonest. There's a difference between misspeaking, and not knowing.
LOL and you think obama has no failed policies????? Prehaps in your world he is perfect.
So you want Obama to win because you don't want to pay your taxes, but hate Romney because he didn't pay enough? What difference does it make how much I will have to pay? I chose the house, I chose the responsibility. If a tax loophole is closed, or the government decides I have to pay more to pay for the freeloaders, I adjust. It's my life to care for, not the governments, regardless of any unread bills that are passed.
Oh yeah, because 'the media' is taking sides on this one.
When will conservatives figure out that just because someone does not preach your gospel does not mean that they are against you? Or do you just think that is impossible?
'If you aren't for us, they you are against us' - is one of the stupidest, most divisive and self-defeating statements ever devised. It is indeed possible for people to take a neutral position, and it would be nice if one day conservatives acknowledged that fact.
in the world of the hard left, it indeed is the case. I just wonder if they wear particular kind of robes during their chanting
So when the Fed does raise interest rates and people cannot afford the rates then the business owners will RAISE PRICES! If banks are not lending now, why would they lend more with higher interest rates? SOCIAL PROGRAM SPENDING IS BANKRUPTING THE NATION!!!
WAKE UP NOW!!!!!
Sara,
Too funny. Too, too, funny. I think I recognize all those cringes.
Obama/Biden 2012
Caesar,
Obviously our robes are red, with sickles on the back, and are lined with Plan B pills.
Duh.
Yeah Sarah, it is "misspeaking" when done by a Democrat like that lying Conneticut Senator who "misspoke" (several times in fact) about his service record.
Obama knew what caused the terrorist attack on our ambassador in LIBYA, he merely CHOSE to blame it on the 17 min film clip because he has an uncanny ability to lie with a straight face ... comes from Chicago you know where crime is uncontrolled.
7.62x39mm.......you said:
If that unlikely scenario should occur, Romney would promptly step in it.
fhbj2000:
I didn't say anything about Obama winning. You suggested that nothing would change if Romney wins, and I told you one actual, particular and practical thing that will change if he wins. You can either disagree with me that such would happen, or I guess you could stop making the naive statement that who we vote for doesn't make any difference.
On the side note, I don't hate Romney because he didn't pay enough. I do regard him as a loathsome piece of crap because he made his money by screwing his fellow Americans. He did it legally, that is true, but lots of people do the scummiest things quite legally, and he stands on the forefront of the 'I got mine, screw you' movement.
As far as I can tell, Obama didn't make his way by killing other people's dreams, so he's got a big leg up there, IMHO.
And on the same day those four persons got murdered in the embassy attack, 6 office workers were killed here as well as a mother killing two of her kids and then herself so what is your point? It seems to me that that being the case, it would be much safer walking the streets of Libya than it is right here in the home country.
When your wife publicly say your well being is a concern and the person she is concerned about wants to be the President of The United States. That is F-IN Scary in itself. I mean F-IN WOW!
This should be a wake up call to every voter in the United States. I mean WTF!
Just imagine if Michelle told the media she is worried about President Obama's well being. The FUX Noise would have put President Obama in a MENTAL INSTITUTION before one vote was casted
RedBlue, I'm not sure where you're going with your comment about Reagan's Amnesty, so let's make it clear. Ronald Reagan granted amnesty as a 1 time deal, it was ratified by Congress and had specific stipulations. President Reagan also said." that it was his worst desicion of his 2 term presidency".
Lets get back to some reality. The polsters are skewing the information, that is why they have practically no trust by the people in the reporting. The new media IS biased and so how are the people suppose to get an objective view of the candidates!? The people, like all the idiots on here, spew like they know something when in fact they are LYING through their teeth.
The one thing that I have seen from the last 2 decades worth is OUT OF CONTROL LYING! It is like someone said that honesty is no longer necessary.
Reporting is just deplorable because they lead the charge on lying.
Hey reporters, you once had an honorable profession but look what you have become... The National Enquire! Pathetic. I don't even subscribe to the paper anymore because they don't report accurately but rather skew towards there agenda.
A well informed person today has to filter the biases and then make decisions.
This kind of thread is only something to fuel the fire of hate. I want the American Dream and I am not taking from anyone else in getting there but rather I am working very hard to achieve it. Those that don't work hard get what they put into it. That does not mean destitute either.
Wake Up Now
When the Fed raises interest rates, we will have a high growth economy.
Right now, interest rates are at an all time low. Inflation is not even a problem.
Interest rates do need to go somewhat higher in the long run to reward savers. Right now, we sell all of our 10 year T-bills at an interest rate of 0%. There is way too much investment money looking for way too few good investments.
That is why economists have embraced deficit spending in a slow growth economy. The government borrows unused investment money and puts it to work to speed up growth until there are better opportunities for private investment money. At that point, interest rates will increase while increased tax revenues from higher growth and lower costs of safety net and unemployment compensation can be used to lower the deficit.
In a time of low unemployment, cuts in government employment will reduce deficits further in an efficient manner because of the lower costs of unemployment for these workers who are laid off, since they will be hired for other private sector work much more quickly.
Time for you to study some macroeconomics.
Chris Dorr...
Gawd man, you are such a bore!
How many posts with that exact same line? ...and you are usually the first to post...unless FR beats you to it. LOL...MSNBC goons!
uhhhh, let's see...
Romney/Ryan 2012 Vote against Obama like your middle-class life depends on it! Original 'nuff for ya, eh? LOL
4 more years of obama is like the U.S.S.AMERICA cruising the Burmuda triangle with no lifeboats, a wacked out compass, and NO ONE AT THE HELM. 4 more years of obama is a DISASTER waiting to happen!.
Sarah - Who else in the United States would make that kind of "misstatement," that there are 57 states in the USA? I venture to say none. At least none that are not Muslim and would get not confused between the US and the states of Islam.
...and what's this 4 more 4 44 BS??
I'm thinking it's got to do with the IQ of 44 you'd need to vote the community-organizer-n-chief back in...
Geo
Nope. Chicago is not number one in foreclosures.
http://www.businessinsider.com/20-cities-foreclosures-2012-8?op=1#ixzz284kNl2Ns
Cities With The Most Homes In Foreclosure: 24/7 Wall St.
The final nail in Romney's political coffin was when his wife said ( on national TV no lss ) She is "worried about her husband's mental health" So the speaking off the cuff is a nightmare for them both.
On jobs. Romney is better known for destroying jobs than creating them.
On ObamaCare, it is almost the exact same program that Romney shoved down the throats of the good citizens of Mass.
On foreign policy hmmmmmmmm this is a toughie since he claims to be close friends with Israel ( I married into a mormon family and I can tell you all they pretty much hate all Jews and for no other reason other than that are Jews ).
If you watch Romney and really really watch his body language, the way he tucks his chin down slightly right before he grins with those I am gonna eat you up teeth of his is a PRACTICED POSTURE. Talk to any photographer and they will tell you that posture tends to make a person look younger as it throws the shadows off. Of all the candidates I have ever seen ( I started voting in the 60's) he is above one and all the most disingenuous perosonas I have ever run across.
I still want to hear from the young man whom Romney and his friends attacked and cut off his hair. Interestly, Romney claims to not have remembered that day.
Colorado,
Shucks! You're so right on that one!
You've actually accomplished, the near impossible...
I have no response.
I got a couple of questions I know liberals will not answer.
What was Massachusetts Unemployment rate when Romney took office? What was it after four years? What was it when he left office?
What was unemployment when Obama took office? What is it now after four years? What is the unemployment rate for those 30 yrs old and younger?
NO MORE for "OBUMMER"
frances-283318.........
Cutting a person's hair is a fairly physically intimate exercise. That is particularly true when the victim is struggling. One must wonder why Romney chose this over all other courses.
Really, this sad chapter in Romney's life should tell everyone all they need to know regarding his lack of character.
Re: Alan and ben and the rest of the delusional foxbots ...
Obama was raised by Communist grandparents and a Communist mentor. Once a Communist always a Communist!!!!!!!!
are you aware the biggest gop donors the past three election cycles are the Koch Brothers? Are you further aware that their dad, Fred Koch, made his fortune learning the oil industry under Josef Stalin?
And then he came to the US, did the same and founded the John Birch society, an extremist, racist group of hatemongers.
George Bush's grandfather Prescott, sold steel to Hitler as late as 1940 before getting reprimanded by Congress to knock it off. Prescott's daddy was a hit man for HR Harriman, a steel magnate who routinely hired thugs to murder union sympathizers and organizers.
Didn't someone once say, "once a commie/fascist always a commie/fascist?"
Yes, and it was YOU!
Now where are your imagined "communist" links to O'bomber? I'm asking for real ones, not stuff made up on the fox fantasy channel.
Backhouse -- How do you explain that out of the top 10 states, seven states are under Republican leadership?? North Dakota +5.73%; Utah +3.04%; OK +2.72%; LA +2.52%; Wyoming +2.25%; Texas +1.96. (These are the top 6). These states are carrying the weight of job growth and are growing in spite of Obama's policies. Most of these jobs you will find being in the private fossil fuel world of production
In addition to your point, no one has ever claimed that green energy would be a net job creater. They have no answer for the number of jobs that would be destroyed in mining, drilling, transportation, refining, engineering, that would not replaced by green technologies that are not labor intensive. This does not even address the economic effect of higher energy costs on other industries.
I can explain the jobs growth - it was caused mainly by the "right to work" BS that allowed for dirty capitalists to move their businesses to states like texass so they could break the unions and pay lower wages. Most of these states are at the top of poverty lists simultaneously with job growth ... how do both happen unless the jobs created are garbage?
Green energy would be a net jobs creator once implemented. Building a new power grid based on wind and solar technology would be a massive project. It's the future and needs to be grown now. The jobs loss in the oil industry would take years, because it would take years to build the new, clean infrastructure to compliment other forms of energy production. Those oil jobs need to be replaced as does oil and nuclear for energy means to protect the environment. The planet is getting too crowded and the pollution to air, water and soil (from fracking and spilling oil) is crucial; we all need to breathe, drink and grow and water our crops to eat, which outside the delusional world of faux news, is far more important to the survival of our species than protecting the oil companies' profits, you dumbasses.
I think everybody's entire life should be judged on a single incident that occurred when they were 17 and nothing else.
Colorado-Man
unemployemnt went down 0.9% under Romney but:
1. the state’s unemployment rate was slightly lower than the national rate when he took office, and was roughly the same as the national rate when he left office.
2. between July 2002 and July 2006, 222,000 more residents left Massachusetts for other states than came to it.
3. 46 other states did better than Romney's Mass did - that's 92% of other states that DID BETTER
So you can give credit to Romney for "lowering" unemployment by acknowledging the fact that more people left Mass than moved to it.
may be so but remember that the guy who took over after Romney did a better job at job growth than Romney. So it could have been done by Romney as well.
LogicReguired.......you said:
Here are some questions for you: What was the U.S. unemployment rate vs the Massachusetts unemployment rate when Romney took office? What was the U.S. unemployment rate vs the Massachusetts unemployment rate when Romney left office? Answers:
2003-U.S. = ~6%, Mass. = 5.8%
2007-U.S. = 4.6%, Mass. 4.7%
You see: those answers put things into perspective. Furthermore, there are other factors which further degrade Romney's unemployment performance during his ONE term as governnor. See:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/04/494282/5-facts-about-the-massachusetts-economy-under-mitt-romney/
Here's another: What was the U.S. unemployment rate in 1984 (at the end of Reagan's first term)? Answer: nearly 10%
There are reasons Romney rarely talks about his term as governor. You should become familiar with them. We (democrats) have.
shaak322'
Ok, you claim to be so informed. At what level is the national debt going to be to high? $20Trillion? $50 Trillion? $100Trillion?
I can already guarantee that you cannot and will not answer that question. Put aside your blind faith in government and be honest about the situation.
If inflation was not a problem then why did the government remove fuel and food prices from the inflation index? Sounds like they are cooking the books, just like real unemployment is at %15.
Yes focus on one event and ignore the decades of charitable givings. Ignore the millions of dollars he has chosen to give away to help others in need compared with someone like Biden who over a ten year period gave a total of $3,000 dollars to charities. Romney has given 1,000 times more to charities last year than Biden in the last ten.
Red_Cloud...
And I am really waiting to hear what the divider-n-chief says when questioned about his new TAX for everyone...his lack of transparency...his excuse for blowing 5 trillion w/ nothing to show for it...an unemployment rate above 8% for his entire presidency...the list goes on and on. Let's just hope the mediators are fair and balanced...and do ask questions that force him to explain his dismal 4 years in office...
The guy after Romney benefited from a rising job market (27th) than Romne, who inherited a job market that was ranked dead last.
But, as always, this is a choice between two candidates. A President has, without a doubt, a much greater influence on the economy than does a Governor. What has been Obama's record on jobs in his 4 years? Has the unemployment rate increased or decreased? Have wages increased or decreased? Have gas prices increased or decreased? Has any economic marker gotten better under Obama (interest rates maybe, but Obama doesn't control that and is really a reaction to the miserable economy we live in)?
In summary: Romney inherited a mess and improved the jobs rankings from dead last to 27th nationally. Obama inherited a mess and, with more tools in his belt, has a worse employment record than when he took office.
Easy choice by my reckoning.
Ian Emdee,
Your entire argument rests on a analysis from Think Progress????? Well, if George Soros says so....
How about a credible source for a change.
In a world dependent on fossil fuels for its energy needs, future widespread economic growth will be reduced by the rising cost of energy.
To invest in alternatives to fossil fuels for energy now, will reduce the use of fossil fuels and will moderate their price increases. As we make strides in developing more efficient alternative energy sources and as we increase the efficiency of energy using cars, trains, automobiles, and appliances, we will further reduce the price increases of fossil fuels.
All industries and consumers will benefit from lower energy prices in the future. We are living in a world where the population continues to grow (now doubling only every 50-60 years), and rising standards of living will put great upward pressure on prices of fossil fuels. Renewable energies will be cost competitive at some point in the near future. We will all benefit from this as economic growth will not be so severely limited due to energy shortages and higher energy price increases.
In addition, more green energy will reduce future global warming and the negative consequences of climate change.
Q22 - You made an interesting comment. Think of all the things that age 17 might conjure up for anyone.
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how Willard looks so very haggard the past few weeks?
Why does Willard walk as if he is trying to hold an apple in his butt cheeks?
How many previous presidential candidates had offshore investments - to try to avoid paying U.S. income taxes?
What a great endorsement for nuclear energy! It's cleaner than what we currently use, it can produce the amount of energy we need (unlike solar and wind) and it moves us away from fossil fuels.
Q22......you sarcastically said:
This was a criminal act (assault). It might also be judged a hate crime. see:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/romney-incident-would-likely-mean-more-punishment-today/2012/05/11/gIQAmvuJIU_story.html
Also, how do you know Mitt Romney was 17 when this event occurred? He (Romney) says he does not recall the incident. Romney was born on March 12, 1947. In the Spring of 1965 (when this incident is alleged to have occurred) Romney was 18. That makes him a legal adult subject to prosecution as an adult. If you have information to the contrary, please provide it.
Yes, there are some actions, taken as an adult, which shed sufficient light on a person's character (or, lack thereof) to render them unfit for the highest office in our land. Would you care to debate this? Here's just one example from the Wikipedia article of Jeffrey Dahmer:
Now, please tell us (again) you believe the actions of an 18 year old man cannot be predictive of future character. History tells a different story.
Ann Romney knows best about Mitt and she stated she worries about his mental health.......I noticed too that he seems to be cracking under pressure when having to answer any questions. I suppose knowing that in a debate his plan to give more tax breaks to the rich, while causing taxes to be raised on the middle class, will be exposed to all to see him as Mr. Greedy Rich!......No....just kidding...because he is proud to raise taxes as long the money ends up going to him and the greedy rich in the form of tax breaks for the rich.
Maybe he is stressed out because people know how anti jobs for America he is because he is the King of offshoring American jobs...!.......No.......just kidding...because Romney is proud to take the money from offshoring those jobs and putting the profits in offshore accounts......
Well..we do know Ann is worried about his mental health now.......who needs someone who is unstable in the Whitehouse? A white dinner jacket with belts and buckles is not proper attire for someone in the Whitehouse!
Better Vote President Obama/Biden and Team Democratic party for a stable America!
I think he pays taxes on that since it was listed on his tax return. He also bought municipal bonds that are tax free. Don't hear you complaining about that.
Here is the deal - the day Obama refuses to take a legitimate deduction or pays at a rate higher than he is required by law I will listen to this childish argument. Romney has broken no laws and paid more than the law requires by not taking legitimate charitable deductions. I don't get your beef with him.
Actually, the interview was in the morning. It was the oath ceremony that was supposed to start at 3pm that began late. No complaints I just thought it was a funny story.
As to the arguments over green energy, why don't we stop the tax breaks for all and let the market decide?
list one single incident since 1965 that would support such an insane claim. All I have ever heard is a long list of selfless acts of personal generosity. Not just giving money but giving his time and support. So the burden of proof is on you. Find one single act of meanness or cruelty in the 47 years since he was in high school.
Also - judge the pot-smoking, coke snorting Obama to the same standard.
Q22......you said:
That is but one source for this information. It is available widely. You can look it up and confirm it yourself or you can provide others that refute it.
But, that seems unlikely since you rarely provide ---ANY--- sources.
BTW---the unemployment statistics did NOT come from thinkprogress....they came from multiple sources that you are also free to refute......or dismiss as you folks are prone to do with facts.
untrue. I began this challenge to Romney's employment record by quoting FactCheck.org. In this very thread I also quoted from Mort Zuckerman. I don't use partisan sources to back up anything I present. You shouldn't either. ThinkProgress is going to twist things to suit their agenda. That's what they do. Again, find a credible source.
..wha...Boozy RH out of rehab already...
...great...just when FR was becoming civil, Sybil gets out of detox...
Q22......
You might be eager to forgive and forget the criminal actions of an adult Mitt Romney. That is both self-serving and convenient.
However, others such as the VICTIM and his loved ones, might not be so quick to give Mitt your pass. Neither are we (democrats). Yes, nobody is perfect. But, then not everybody solicits us to grant him the highest office in our land.
Tell us this: If Barack Obama had, as a young adult, committed such a crime (with a VICTIM), would you be so quick to dismiss it? Never mind. We ALL KNOW the answer.
You should hope this victim does not come forward with details just a week or so before the election. Rest assured, there are DETAILS.
....and BTW---We haven't forgotten about Mitt's tax returns. There is just so much else to talk about.
Shaak322,
I knew you would not answer my question, because it contradicts EVERY argument that you make!
Romney's buddy Netanyahu is helping get $$$$ to get Romney and other Republicans. He and Romney were pals back when Romney ran for president before.
Nineteen of Netanyahu's wealthiest US donors also contribute to the Romney campaign, the Republican Party, and/or other GOP candidates, a Haaretz investigation has learned.
I think the picture in the first article below says it all.
----www.newser.com/story/155034/netanyahus-top-donors-also-show-mitt-the-money.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_3_2
----mondoweiss.net/2012/07/romney-netanyahu-and-that-other-campaign-for-war-with-iran.html
Romney/Ryan = Slip Sliding Down The Polls
Obama/Biden 2012 - Democrat All The Way
What you are saying is that you know of nothing since Mitt was in High School.
BTW, Barry does have an incident (written about in Dreams of My Father) when he shoved - apparently pretty hard - a girl who thought they were more than friends in front of a bunch of school mates, This incident - by his own admission - caused her great humiliation. Whatever, I judge Obama on his dismal record, not what he did as a kid.
Wake up now,
I support safe nuclear energy. Always have. I support oil exploration. My daughter is a petroleum geologist. My son is a chemical engineer.
Safety in drilling for oil and gas is very important. Clean water will be a scarce commodity at the rate we are going.
Alternative energies are also very important as they will reduce the use of fossil fuels and resulting carbon dioxide emissions.
A growing world population makes all forms of energy more important. When energy use keeps going up worldwide, we need to increase future capabilities of producing it more cheaply.
I do not reply as promptly as you desire because I am a business owner who tries to fit these posts into my workday.
I just can't comprehend why someone would re-elect a President with this type of deplorable track record. Just what do you like about the following?:
This presidency is a failure and it is time for Americans to realize it and vote for a man that is highly qualified to lead us out of this mess, Mitt Romney.
Q22......you said:
You said Romney was 17 when he committed his hate crime. PROVE IT. Otherwise, you have made, yet another, unsubstantiated claim.
Romney could have been PROSECUTED in any case. The (important) difference is whether that prosecution would have been as a minor or as an adult.
Good grief, is there ANYTHING Romney could have perpetrated as a young adult that would, in your judgment, disqualified him to be POTUS? This is a guy who defended the Vietnam war all while he vacationed in France and his peers died in the jungles. You folks have no shame.
Romney also has an Op Ed in yesterday's Wall Street Journal
A New course for the Middle East - by Mitt Romney
Romney/Ryan = Acts of Desperation 101
Obama/Biden 2012 - Democrat All The Way
Other than an indictment on Obama's relationship with Israel how does this matter? I guess if you were a raging anti-Semite there might be some negative value. Beyond that - big deal.
Reagan first term ended with unemployment around 7.5% not near 10%. The economy under Reagan was also creating twice as many jobs as the current Obama economy and did so from the beginning of the election all the way through the election year.
Hate crime? Vacationing in France? You lost me. Go back to you buddies at Think Progress.
Q22
Ditto.
Q22
hahahhahahah
so you'e excusing Romney's poor performance by blaming the governor before him even though Romney inherited a pre-financial meltdown economy?
So let me ask you this: who inherited financial meltdown, credit crisis, huge growing unemployment, two unpaid wars, unfunded tax cuts, interest on the Bush mortgage, and global recession?
You're excusing Romney when things were good but you refuse to acknowledge the biggest sh*t inherited by Obama?
You know what? Romney did not inherit job market that was LAST. Romney inherited December of 2002 that was last. But that's like saying that Bush's overall unemplyment was 4% just because that's what the number was when Bush took office in January of 2001.
Q22,
I'm going to ask one question:
was Romney's OVERALL tenure 47th? Yes or no? Just YES or NO.
If you answer NO, please provide facts that will support your claim that Romney's OVERALL tenure rank in job growth was NOT 47th.
After graduating from
Harvard he worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago. During this time while
associated with Acorn, he cried Racism and forced Citibank into a large out of
court settlement. He learned the racist
tactics of blackmail from Prof Bell, from his days at Harvard. Prof Bell pushed Harvard to hire and promote
Blacks who were not qualified. He even
tried to deny tenure to more intelligent and qualified Asian Professors. Apparently Asians need to be punish for
their ability to achieve the American Dream without affirmative action, social
promotion etc. Like Obama, Mr. Bell
sought revenge on the non black race.
Obama had a part early on in “giving
anyone a home loan” plan. This plan was later known as the sub-prime lending
scam, leading to the worst recession in 70 years. He was a member of the
Illinois State Senate from 1997 to 2004. During that time Obama voted for
“killing the fetuses twice act”. If a baby survived a botched abortion,
withhold medical aid and let it die. He expressed a similar attitude later,” If
my daughters make a mistake, I don’t want them burdened with a baby”. My spin -
If the country makes a mistake, I don’t want them burdened with a Barrack
Hussein Obama. Barack is a historic transmutation figure determined to remake
the world is his ideological image.
Obama’s Motto -
“Ain’t nothing ever my Fault.” I’ve got
the race card! For the past 3.5 years everything has been Bush’s fault.
Sorry posting again, forgot the link!
Romney also has an Op Ed in yesterday's Wall Street Journal:
A New course for the Middle East - by Mitt Romney
Romney/Ryan = Acts of Desperation 101
Obama/Biden 2012 - Democrat All The Way
-online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444712904578024293333633994.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Every article about Romney the libbys flood with their propaganda. Their fear is almost tangible.
Romney might even win??? I see besides Florida now California has identified many republican voter fraud cases. In Florida it was false names, signatures, address and information. Now in California it was if the people didn't check their party preference it somehow got checked republican rather than being left blank. If you can't buy and election then try to steal it?
It's meaningless. Back to the coach analogy. If a coach takes over a winless team and brings them up to respectability are you really going to judge him on his cumulative record or where the team is compared to when he took over? You use the 47th because it's useful to your argument but it's irrelevant when you know that they state was ranked at the bottom when he took office. Once you factor that in he looks like a huge success.
If Obama had made the economy better - even a little bit - or it showed any sign that it was improving I'd have a hard time opposing him. But nothing is better economically under Obama, He failed. Romney, at least raised his state over his tenure and the same cannot be said of Obama.
I live in WV a RED state. I got a flyer in the mail today that was very strange. The headline was ""vote AGAINST Obama and Manchin." I read both sides and it didn't have any other names on it. It was from the RNC. Are they ashamed of their candidates ? Or, do you think they have already written them off? Strange indeed.
I am an Ind., but I would never vote against Joe or Rocky the 2 best governors this state ever had. I am also now leaning for Obama. If I knew where it came from I would let them know I may be a dumb hillbilly but I vote for people not against them
For staunch democrats, and independents who believe Romney is little more than a life support system for a business suit, things are looking good. O'l Mitt can't seem to open his mouth without planting one or both feet in it.
But... I hope the Obama campaign would be wise to hold off on the celebrations. Little gaffs, or big events have a way of swinging elections.
I'm pleased to see Romney's chances fading, but I remember that things can change.
Restart???!!! This is like sitting in a car and trying to start it for months and getting nowhere. How many "restarts" does Romney need?
Feisty -
A doctor friend of mine who treats geriatric patients said that taking baby steps, like Romney does, can be an sign of early onset Alzheimers Disease/dementia.
Hahahahaha. There is not enough meat in the tax code for Romney to take and still lower taxes for middle class Americans. I am not inherently against raising taxes against the middle class, but I am if simultaneously taxes on the rich stay the same or are cut. Romney would have to raise taxes on middle-income Americans in order to pay for the wealthy tax cuts.
Romney simply has no credible argument to run on when it comes to proving that he will be better than Obama. It's a fact; most of his platform is based on the economy, and right now we are in a recovery, however slow it is, and people are noticing it. Quite simply, Romney is an exposed candidate, and it's a miracle that ANY American would buy his crap.
I want to ask a question, and I hope someone will answer it: why do people, especially well-versed economists and scholars, buy the bull@!$%# that cutting taxes for wealthy Americans and deregulating the economy while cutting domestic spending and increasing income inequality will produce sustainable economic growth for all Americans??? Why??? The Bush tax cuts and deregulation failed, and I would daringly state that the capital gains tax cuts helped cause the housing bubble. In addition, the OECD has recently stated that income inequality plays a major role in economic growth, disproving the idea that it is a mere outlier. So how can any rational person believe that supply-side economics works???
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
http://www.dropshots.com/OldCrow2#date/2012-09-13/20:58:56
Q22.....you said:
Apparently, what YOU are saying is that Mitt Romney has become rehabilitated from his attitude that people unlike him are fair game for ridicule and assault. Perhaps he has. On the other hand, maybe he is only more inhibited now and retains the underlying attitude. Neither of us knows for sure. But, what we DO KNOW FOR SURE is that Mitt Romney, as a statutory adult, assaulted a fellow classmate merely because that person was an apparent homosexual and was, essentially, defenseless.
In Barack Obama's "Dreams of My Father" book, an incident is related when Barack Obama was being taunted by his classmates regarding a possible romantic interest in a girl. He denied the interest and, according to his account, "shoved her slightly" while he was protesting the accusations. Mr. Obama, unlike Mitt Romney, does not claim not to recall this. On the contrary, he voluntarily and purposefully brings it to the attention of his readers.
In any case, there is a HUGE difference between the incident Obama relates and the physical assault Romney is accused of (and does not dispute). One is a minor schoolyard incident and the other rises to the level of a crime (assault). Furthermore, on account of Romney's motivation, it may well be considered a hate crime.
But, please, tell us why Romney's actions were not potentially the crime of assault. Furthermore, tell us as a legal technical matter, why his actions would not qualify as a hate crime if prosecuted today.
Mitt Romney is not fit to be President of the United States. This incident is but one of the reasons.
Wow, it's pretty clear to me that the DNC loons are back from their convention and back on the vine. I'm wondering when MSNBC will report on the number of dead Mexican's from assault weapons given to the cartels by the Obama administration.
Wake Up Now,
Let's see! Economics #101 says you cut spending and increase revenue when having debt? Republican'ts have gone home without considering any increase in revenue and Romney wants to give the millionaires back $250,000 in taxes breaks. Wake Up Now! Wake Up Now!
I just looked at FOX's headline "You Think the Economy is Improving?" The the article says, "If you think so you are wrong!" Followed by, " It is the slowest recovery and growth." They just proved themselves liars again! "Unfair and Unbalanced" FOX! Followed by the lying B word!
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Romney & Ryan are on a Suicide Watch !!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's the best post by OUTHOUSE ever ! Too bad DNC... I mean NBC doesn't have the balls or the integrity to come clean and actually DISCUSS the terrorist attack in Libya.
But what is truly amazing was the lengthy coverup and attempt to blame it on some 17 min movie that no one has ever seen. Why does the Obama administration just simply REFUSE TO BE HONEST ?
It was a terrorist attack, they knew about it and they lied about it repeatedly while they desperately tried to shift focus to Romney's statement ! The embassy did not meet minimum safety standards, the guards were not issued live ammo, and warnings of "targets" including our Libyan envoy were IGNORED !!
GOP Priorities 1% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Biden has just announced upcoming surgery. He needs to extract his foot from his mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!
White Collar Auto
It couldn't be anything but close. Romney will get 47% of the vote no matter what from the Coalition of the Clueless, half of which are people who are so dimwitted that they don't comprehend that Romney was insulting THEM in that video that showed what Romney says when he thinks nobody but his wealthy friends are listening.
Dimwitted is voting for President a man who said he would cut the deficit in half ... only to run it up MORE !
Dimwitted is voting for a man who promised "shovel-ready" jobs ... that weren't so shovel-ready.
Dimwitted is voting for a President who seems unconcerned the unemployment rate is higher than when he took office !
Dimwitted is swallowing like a fish the vagueness of "Hope and Change".
Dimwitted is accepting the silly concept that raising taxes on "the wealthy" will solve our debt issues.
jim-1455434
Dimwitted is voting for a candidate whose domestic policies are a repeat of the Bush policies that led to a near collapse of the global economy. Dimwitted is voting for a candidate whose foreign policy is "shoot first and aim later," just like the president who mired the US in an unnecessary war in Iraq based on lies about nonexistent WMDs and promises that the war would pay for itself.
That candidate is Romney, dimwit.
Remember these?
THE OBAMA CHRONICLES:
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”.
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”.
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”.
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”.
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”.
"I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year."
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”.
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration."
"I'll close Guantanamo."
"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years."
"I'll unite the people of this great country."
“The TROOPS will be home for CHRISTMAS.” WHY ARE MORE LEAVING EVERYDAY???? AND DYING every day…
NOW Obama invokes Executive Privilege( as a Sen. called it’s use a RUSE!) for Holder on GUN SMUGGLING and killing US Agent Brain Terry!!! That only applies if Obama was part of it!! Obama & Holder should be on trial for giving Machine Guns to the Mexican Drug cartels!!
BETTER KNOWN AS LIES.
Fool me once shame on YOU!
Fool me twice shame on ME!
Even Joe BIDEN has endorsed ROMNEY for Prez!!!!
BozoHussan=Chicago MOB politics=NBC=GE= no taxes from the bought and paid for cronies ==twist every crises toward Pravda PressPROPAGANDA!!
$$$$16 Trillion in Debt….that is 12 zeros… the population of USA is 320 Million,,6 zeros===$$$ 50 Thousand for every Man&Woman&Child!!
Yet Reid –Senate & Obama-White House control do not want to balance the Budget!! These numbers do nor count the obamaDoNOTcare act that is the Largest TAX in World history…No ONE can afford it!!! There is only one reason that these numbers do NOT worry you…you think that you are Entitled to free ride and you will not have to pay!!! . Sober up America!!!
Our fearless leader kills NASA and makes the USA astronauts ride on the back of a Russkie bus, and now the Russian bus is in trouble!!
Comer November 7 after President Obama is reelected, the Democrats hold the Senate and pick up seats in the House, it will be fun to listen to the excuses spewing form the Limbaugh, Fox and the right wing crazies. My guess is they will be screeching about voter fraud and whining about the “liberal media” favoring Democrats. What you WON”T hear them say is their presidential candidate was one of the worst of all times who ran one of the worst campaigns of all times and they will NEVER admit they have no ideas, no answers and no solutions for the problems of the 21st century.
Really no post and 4 votes for statement??!!! Way to go SHEEPLEEE...OoooHAAbhaMMMMaaaaa!!
Obama can NOT run on his sorry record!!
[I]f you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from." That is what Barack Obama said when he accepted his party's presidential nomination in 2008. Four years later, it reads like a prophetic description of his re-election campaign.
See story in washingtonexaminer.com
You know, Charlie, it isn't just that Romney ran such a terrible campaign; it's that the republican brand has finally revealed itself as the party of Big God government, with no economic ideas outside of trickle-down, and a penchant for flying the middle finger flag at anyone who disagrees with them. I think the House has done more to sink their chances this election cycle than any other single factor. Romney's biggest problem in his campaign is that he did not take 'charge' of his party, and get people to think that his own ideas would be the ones in play with a Romney win.
Why don't some people think the media is left-wing biased? (Yes, I know Fox News is run by the 'Devil' because it disagrees with your lefty dreams) but seriously, you just turn it on and think that Obama can truly never do wrong and that all of the stories from other news sources are lies conspired against Obama? This is truly what you believe?
If it is a big conspiracy against Obama, looks like the Bureau of Labor Statistics is on it too, huh?
Enough is enough, Go Obama! AND DON'T COME BACK! -----> Romney/Ryan 2012
Tip for Liberals: Hold down ctrl, alt, down arrow (from your desktop - usually just for laptops), it will help you see things on your computer the way you see the rest of the world.
- I'm just kidding, but it's a fun trick. And no, I don't hate liberals, I have several such friends, still working on them as they are working on me, it's pretty funny. :)
TO: jim-1455434 who wrote:
"NBC" isn't running for POTUS!
Mitt Robme and Paul "Lyin" Ryan ARE running, and it's obvious to EVERYBODY right about now that neither Paul Ryan nor Mitt Romney are able to "come clean and actually answer" ANY questions, least of all any questions that require a "mathematical" answer, and THESE are the two nit wits we're supposed to trust to handle our Social Security Retirement money and our Medicare! Guys who find it too difficult to even discuss!
The entire Romney campaign is being run on one thing only: Bashing the President of the United States.
I'm not entrusting MY life to 2 bozos!
Obama/Biden 2012
TO: I like America who wrote:
Because if Romney or Ryan had even ONE intelligent thing to say, the media would be all over it.
The fact is, both Romney and Ryan are dumb as a bag of hammers, and you can't blame the media if that's all Romney and Ryan got!
Obama/Biden 2012
Because the media - at least the mainstream parts of it - are not left-wing biased. In fact, they trip all over themselves trying to make even the stupidest comments by conservatives sound like arguable opinions, because they are unsure how else to sound more non-partisan.
Think of it this way, in 'reporting' on the size and makeup of our galaxy, there really is no contest between the guys who have studied physics and use instruments like telescopes, and the guys who have studied Genesis Chapter 1. The fascinating thing is watching the reporters stumble all over themselves to give some credit to the theologians (I guess because they exist and there are others who share their faith), and then listening to the theologians and their supporters accuse the reporters of bias because they do not argue in their reports that the theologians are 'right'.
Thanks to "American Girl" at #2.14, PROVING that her "roots" are genuinely blonde. Your first two sentences are a total disconnect ... NOBODY said NBC was running for POTUS ! I said they don't have the balls to discuss it or report the Benghazi coverup, but apparently that went zzzzoooooooommmmm right over your head !
Maybe you should try several Bloody Marys because it is obvious you are not "functioning" as yet
Patriotic American, In regard to tirade #2.1; It will most certainly be the American workers who will be on "suicide watch" if your guy is re-elected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"The Benghazi coverup"
Sigh.
I read AP. Two days after Libya, with the various media reporting that the people on the streets were saying they were infuriated by the youtube thing (they were, indeed, saying that), I read an AP report which said that the White House believed the Libya attack to be too well coordinated to be an impromptu protest, and were suspecting a planned terrorist attack.
So, how does that fit into your 'coverup' scheme?
The thing that upsets me is that for the liberals it's like this is a game. "Our guys kicking your guys butt" or "Romney's going down". You know all that trash talking BS. Do you hear anyone say exactly why they think Obama is the better choice. As it has been proven time after time a large number of people on the street are so uninformed about anything outside of DWS they are making blind choices based on what a feeling they have? Maybe something a friend or coworker says is true? They don't know s--t! To many the safe bet is keep what we have. Why take a chance on a new guy who my friend says is a greedy rich guy? When Romney made the 47% statement his number may be a little off but the basic statement is 100% true. The working class knows that. We known he was not talking about the Vets. or the average person on SS. He was talking about the takers of our society. The people who take ,take and take from us taxpayers and then bitch about what their getting. This while living in public housing and recieving Food Stamps with their cell phones and cable television. They are the ones buying their beer and smokes cash and their chips and dip with food stamps. You know it happens!!
Just keep playing your game. "Obama's up in the polls" and the rest of it. Guess what! You cannot win! If Obama wins, you lose. Gas prices will continue to go up along with the unemployment rate and food prices. His policies will make sure of that. Many of you remind me of kids in high school. You're pulling for Obama like he is your HS football team. Most have No idea what he is actually doing. It ain't just old people who are getting scammed now days. People blinded by the light of Obama are buying a sack of bs too.
I am worried about our country. I do not expect one thing from government for myself personally. I do however not like the idea of our kids being swamped with this debt. That is a worry that I do not hear from the left. Maybe it's because they don't figure many of their kids will be paying taxes either.
all i know is that both romney and obama are scary for the future of america. neither one of them seem to have a clue to get us out of debt. lets face it if we dont get out of debt soon our country will hit the point of no return fast. when a country is in debt like we are it devalues the dollar and hurts the economy. out of all the candidates running it seemed that Ron Paul was the only one willing to make the hard choices needed to get us out of debt. out of all the candidates running it seemed that Ron Paul was the only one that truely believed in AMERICA FIRST!
time to cross out obama and romney and write in RON PAUL if you want to see things better here.
Ron Paul wants a pony!
Romney is trying to have two podiums to use during the debates. One for when he responds he is for something and at the same time he needs the other podium because he is against what he is for!
Vote President Obama/Biden and Team Democratic party. They stand together with All of America!
(off the) Mark: you say, "He was talking about the takers of our society. The people who take, take and take from us taxpayers and then bitch about what their getting. This while living in public housing and recieving Food Stamps with their cell phones and cable television. They are the ones buying their beer and smokes cash and their chips and dip with food stamps. You know it happens!!"
So you think 47% of the country is just "taking" from the rest of us? If you did your own research instead of relying on fake news channel to feed you lies you'd have a clue. With 8% unemployment, how are 47% of the country on the take? Well, mark, many are retired on social security after working for 50 years. Do you want to kick these deadbeats off the SS rolls and force them back to work? Another large contingent within this group are people who work full time or F/T and carry a P/T job for minimum wage or close to it and are living under the poverty line or have kids and enough legitimate deductions to preclude them from paying FEDERAL INCOME TAX. They all still pay state, county, municipal, social security, medicare, gasoline taxes and more. To the tune that they pay a higher percentage of their wages toward taxes than the upper income earners do. They struggle to pay their bills, provide their necessities in life, so should we raise their taxes so they pay federal income tax and the rich crybabies can stop whining?
The number of people scamming is small compared to the gov't contractors who are bleeding us dry in the middle east. Why don't you whine about the war for profit machine draining our treasury? Why don't you bitch about huge deficits under Reagan for a useless star wars defense as the Soviet Union was disappearing or under Bush who cut taxes several times, handed out rebates and started two wars to drive the deficit out of control? No, you'd rather blame obomber who walks into the biggest mess since FDR, with the economy bleeding about 700K jobs a month and the whole country fearing the second great depression? And while Clinton, Bush I, Bush II and Reagan promoted free trade and outsourcing of our best paying manufacturing jobs which really blew a hole in the economy, you blame o'bomber. I'd say the real "takers" are the capitalists who take their jobs overseas to pay workers pennies on the dollar, while crushing unions in this country and reaping huge profits, then hiding their money in the Caymans, Switzerland, Luxembourg and the Bahamas, as mittwitt has done. You have a one-party mentality when the truth is corporate tyranny is what is ruining this country and the economy.
When you rightwing foxbots whine about federal subsidies, why is it you never bitch about oil companies who set all-time records for profits yet still receive oil subsidies from the federal gov't? Or how about the banks who shook us down for around a trillion bucks, crying the sky is falling and we'll all be ruined if we don't cough up the cash? That was engineered by Henry Paulson, former CEO of Goldbrick Sacks, geo bush and o'bomber - whose biggest contributor was none other than GS.
And if you really were thinking about how to get these so-called "freeloaders" off the public dole and paying taxes, why don't you bitch at John Boner who sits on an infrastructure jobs bill with 1.9 million jobs attached? He won't bring it up for a vote because the bill is paid for by raising taxes 7/10ths of a penny on every dollar earned OVER $1million a year. And why won't they do this? Two reasons: 1. Most of the GOP congress has pledged themselves to a lobbyist - Grover norquist - to never raise taxes ever. Even the temporary bush tax cuts that were supposed to expire three years ago? Doesn't matter. 2. Mitch McConnell told the republikkkan contingent when this congress convened in Jan. 2010 that their number one priority was to make O'bomber a one-term president. Is that serving the public or their own best interests? To me it sounds like treason.
There are some people who call themselves liberals who are just dembots, but there is a much higher percentage of conservatives who parrot every damn talking point, regardless of its truth value, that they hear on fox news or rush windbagg. They do NO thinking for themselves; if fox calls it liberal, then it's no good. 80% of the voters are married to one side or the other, without realizing they (elected officials) all on the same team. The entire gop is bought and paid for by corporate interests; they do absolutely nothing for the working stiff in this country, unless it happens to be on the way to helping their billionaire buddies who buy their seat in government. About 85% of the dem party is in the same boat, different contributors, but the same corporate-owned bunch of lackies. We've got a handful of elected officials who comprise the progressive caucus who represent the working stiffs of this country who can't afford a lobbyist and they get pretty much ignored.
You won't get answers from the corporate-owned media; try independent outlets that don't rely on advertising from health care companies, oil companies, war profiteering gangs and you'll see more truth. Progressives worry about the debt - but we're also informed enough to know that austerity measures only make things worse. Just look at Ireland, who several years ago implemented the same nonsense the gop is pushing for now. You pay the bills by putting everyone to work. And since the private sector has been unable to provide those jobs (and don't cry about imaginary restrictions and regulations - corporations are freer than anytime since this kind of economic theory led to the depression) we need government to step in with a jobs bill to kick start the economy. That's because the economy will never rebound until more people have more money in their pockets to spend. Consumer spending accounts for 70% of our GDP and drives the economy. Spending creates demand which in turn creates the NEED for more jobs to provide the goods and services. Tax cuts for the wealthy does nothing but fatten their Cayman accounts. They do not create jobs. Why would a sensible business person hire people if they had no demand for their work? That tax cut would just be wasted and the last 30 years of supplyside economics proves it.
Mark:
This is the farthest thing from a game. The economic collapse was no fun to go through, was it? I didn't enjoy it either. I have no intention in going back to the trickle-down economic baloney theory which put us there, none at all. None of this is funny to me. This is about as serious as it gets.
Know what percentage of Americans pay no taxes and are on welfare? 1.4% Did you get that? 1.4% Quite a long way from the 'basically correct' 47%, don't you think? Or do you bother to think? I'm about sick of self-righteous middle-finger waving know-nothings blaming America's ills on the people you don't understand, and have never cared about in the first place, to advocate for a fringe economic theory which essentially tells your neighbors to go screw themselves and die and has never even started to work in our 40 years of going back to it like a moth to flame.
There are lots of things that speak for Obama, and we on the left recite them constantly; that you've not heard them means you're not listening. Thanks for that. Just a couple off the top of my head: He's not a trickle-down true-believer. He stopped an economy in free fall, he stopped the bleeding and started a long-term, consistent recovery from the worst economic meltdown since the great depression. He's also a political moderate, which I generally think is a better type to have in a crisis.
What do you have for Romney? What's he got to offer this country?
I just hope Obama has time to campaign in all 57 states this cycle. The idiot Obama actually said that last time he campaigned! Pathetic!
See that Mark? Kfilly says Obama said there is 57 states. OOOHH. That's about all the middle-finger-wavers have these days: socialist, Kenyan, commie, idiot, loser. Those are your guys. Are you tired of the company yet, or does that just work for you?
HAS ROMNEY SHOWN ANY LEADERSHIP SINCE REPUBLICONS ANNOUNCED HIM AS THEIR CANDIDATE? HAS HE PUBLICLY INSTRUCTED REPUBS TO PASS ANY BILLS THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR AMERICA?
ROMNEY HIRED 17 OF 24 ADVISERS FROM BUSH/CHENEY REGIME BECAUSE ROVE TOLD HIM TO! ROMNEY IS ONLY THE STRAWMAN FOR HIS LEADER ROVE WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN LYING INTO IRAQ WAR FOR PROFITS AND WRECKING THE ECONOMY!
Did Romney try and help out the vets when repubs blocked the Vets job bill last week? NOPE!
Did Romney try and help American workers get American jobs back when repubs blocked the bill to remove tax breaks from companies who took jobs overseas? NOPE!
Did Romney try and help American workers get their jobs back when repubs blocked the bill that would give tax breaks to companies who would bring back the jobs to America? NOPE!
Did Romney try and help the first responders to 911 healthcare bill when repubs blocked and voted against that bill? NOPE!
Well hell you can see where this is going....so let's just stop right here. The strawman has shown no leadership whatsoever. NONE! He has done nothing for America but drain jobs away from hard working Americans. He wants to kill Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the Post Office. Mitt wants to dismantle and sell off America to the highest bidder and run the money offshore to avoid paying taxes.
WHY WOULD WE WANT ROVE/BUSH/CHENEY UNDER STRAWMAN ROMNEY IN THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN?
Vote President Obama/Biden and Team Democratic party 2012! REAL LEADERS!
I learned a new Republican word today, Its Balognaism
MikeX. I did what you did not do and read what you had to say. See brother the difference between me and you is I will actually admit when my guy does wrong. Bush spent way too much! I totally agree! I think it is however funny that you would not love his spending habits considering you love Obama's. I too was not sold on going to war! Wow!! Having said all that I still think Obama is a believer in the carriot hanging in front of the voters nose to get his vote. As I said in my post I do not buy the 47% however I think you are way off on the people playing the system. Having been in a job for over 15 years that saw what was happening I could no longer take it and got the you know waht out of it. It was way too depressing to see what was going on. Oh, and for your information I am not nor are millions of people who are not supporting Obama rich! Not even close! That is something you have fallen for from the press. I am just a working stiff who plays his bills and gives a sh-- about our countrys future as i'm sure you do. The main difference between you and I is you seem to be mad at everyone who has anything you don't. I simply refuse to be that way. I am mad however at what ever percentage of our folks who have been ruined by the free handouts from our government. Just keep fooling yourself about how many there are that's fine with me. As for the corp welfare I too am against that. Has Obama stopped any of that? I think he has actually stepped it up. Still gonna vote for him? I'd bet so! No matter what.
Every article about Romney the libbys come out in mass and flood it with their propaganda. Their fear is almost tangible. Romney has them scared.
John Doe - Yeah - we're shaking in our boots. Romney is such an intimidating individual. (in the event sarcasm is beyond you - proceeding comments were extremely sarcastic). Wait till Wednesday night when your little buddy breaks out in a severe case of flop sweat.
When you know there is no November for you, what else is there to do but hope for a big October? So have a Happy Halloween Mitt, and then have a nice life...but NOT in government.
Ben,
Your surgery comment was wrong. Not Biden! It is Romney who has caused headaches for his staff with some 20 foot int he mouth comments so far and more to come. They have even Twittered it !
Wednesday's debate is not likely to change Romney's image into the everyday guy. People watching will remember his 47% comments regardless of the answers he gives. His flip/flops will give Mitt fits. No doubt President Obama will challenge Romney's comments because at some point, Mitt will have said the opposite. Romney should do fine as long as he can give his rehearsed answers. Having watched him for a year, his problem is when he goes off script or has to think on his feet....or when he is challenged on his previous positions.
Hey jody, can you explain why the DNC and Obama are both out lowering expectations this weekend?
DNC say Romney will win the debate and Obama says he's just not that good at debates.
You folks here seem to think Obama is going to wipe the floor with Romney.
Why the disconnect?
white: Ever hear of reverse psychology?
So Dragon, you're saying that this President needs to resort to mind tricks in order to win?
Well, sadly, that does seems to work on about half the population.
In fact, a lot of them post here.
Most likely Romney will wipe Romney will Romeny speak
These aren't the droids you're looking for...
Maybe Mitt's Elevator will give R & R a lift !!!!!!!!!!!!
Lowering expectations is a standard tactic before every Presidential or VP debate I have seen. A good performance will seem greater if you don't expect much.
When Palin debated Biden, she didn't even answer some questions, but since so little was expected of her, she was seen as succeeding simply because she showed up, emotionally held her own, and didn't have any "you can see Russia from Alaska" flubs.
WCA, obvioiusly you didn't bother to read what I posted. It's a personal assessment of Mitt Romney based on what I've seen not just in speeches but also his chronic foot in mouth problem. I don't need the DNC or RNC to tell me what I think of Mitt Romney's debate skills, having watched 13 of the GOP primaries was enough to give me an idea.
Perhaps you should explain why the RNC and all the GOPers, except Christie have been talking down Romney's debate skills and talking up President Obama's. Ignore, Christie, though, he sounds a bit desperate.
Nah Jody, you didn't read what I wrote.
I understood that was your personal assessment, what I want to know is why such a disconnect between you and the DNC?
The only story I have seen regarding Romney and the debates is the Christie story, so I don't know where your comment about the RNC Talking down Romney comes from?
Did you make it up?
They make up lots of stuff WCA ... anything to distract from massive national debt over $16 trillion with NO BUDGETS, NO PLAN and NO CLUE ! Then, of course, there is the massive unemployment situation and related food stamp increases.
jim, what are you on ?????????????
WCA -- Here you go, not the RNC but Ryan and Romney campaign setting expectation low:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/romney-campaign-sets-debate-expectations-low-against-obama/
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2012/09/30/ryan-rejects-need-for-breakthrough-moment/gIYtKBf28FufQwd5td7p6N/story.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0928/For-Obama-and-Romney-time-to-play-The-Debate-Expectations-Game-video
Nope, didn't make it up; the RNC and the GOP were tamping down Romney expectations. As usual, WCA, you fail to respond/explain when challenged. Why has the RNC/GOP/Romney campaign been tamping down expectations for Mitt? Once again you deflect which is why I rarely bother reading or responding to your comments; it's a waste of time.
WCA -
Here you go:
Jody---I agree with your assessment. The test of the debate on Wed. for Mitt will be whether he can stick to his rehearsed, scripted answers to the questions. Mitt does OK when he recites things---the Teleprompter is his best friend. It is when he goes off-script that he either flip flops or shows his true colors, like with the 47% comment.
I understand why you don't read my comments Jody. You obviously don't seem to understand them.
I was fairly clear with my question. Why the disconnect between what you think and wht the DNC thinks.
Seems that you were the one that chose to deflect away from the question with what the RNC thinks About the debates.
You folks really get twisted up in your circular logic sometimes.
Jody:
Your first comment was spot on. Were I the President, after the Rombot has made is first attack, I would
ask; "Which Rombot am I debating here?". Then proceed to quote Rombot's own contradictory stance on
the issue. Rombot has been on more sides of every issue than a Maypole dancer on methamphetamine!
After a couple of rounds of that, it wouldn't surprise me if Rombot got angry and stormed off the stage.
Wednesday will a red day, a raw day, sore with the wounds of defeat for the Teapublican Anarchy
Brigade. And I'll be loving it.
T. Money Trim/A Play Run-Will I need the brown make-up for this show?
Obama can NOT run on his sorry record!!
[I]f you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from." That is what Barack Obama said when he accepted his party's presidential nomination in 2008. Four years later, it reads like a prophetic description of his re-election campaign.
See story in washingtonexaminer.com
White collar: It's been on the news for those who get news other than Fox. How many sources you want?
TO: White Collar Auto who wrote:
No, President Obama is going to win because he's the best man for the job.
Besides, every word that comes out Republicans' mouths is "Obama", so thanks for all the free press.
Obama/Biden 2012
TO: border joe who wrote:
President Obama's record is better than Mitt Robme's record, which Romney REALLY can't run on cause it pisses off the Teagaggers.
By the way, what exactly IS Mitt running on, just bashing the President?
Because nothing Robme is saying adds up.
Obama/Biden 2012
So you think having our national deficit increased by $5.2 trillion + under Obama to over $16 trillion with absolutely NO BUDGETS, NO PLAN and NO CLUE of what he should do ..... somehow magically "ADDS UP" for Bam-Bam ?
I'm not sure what your smokin or tokin their genius, but even the NEW MATH doesn't explain Obama's fiscal lunacy !!!
Hey jim, the $16 trillion is not the deficit, it's the debt. And most of that new $5 trillion comes from the continuation of the trickle-down tax policies of the Bush administration, which Romney wants to increase by $5 trillion in his new tax plan (and then 'balance' by taking away tax breaks for the middle class, though he won't say which ones).
You did get that, right? Romney has said outright that he wants to add $5 trillion to the debt to spur economic growth. You understand that, right? That hasn't escaped y'all?
Stimulating an economy is the epitome of fiscal sanity when unemployment is high. We are borrowing at a 0% interest rate to finance this deficit.
Higher growth to pre-Recession levels will add $350 billion per year to government tax revenues. An additional $150 billion per year will be saved in reduced Food Stamp and unemployment costs. Raising taxes on the rich to Clinton levels will add another $100 billion per year. Total gain from returning to a high growth economy is $600 billion per year (used to reduce budget deficit).
Then, we can look at reducing government spending on defense (50% of world'd total). In a more peaceful world, we don't need such a high level of spending. We spend neatly $700 billion per year here.
If we can increase the growth rate to 4% (like in Clinton administration), the rest of the budget deficit would almost disappear. By investing in a more efficient economy (such as higher fuel mileage for our fleet of cars and trucks), further gains can be made as well.
We are on the verge of seeing a much more prosperous future. We need smart leaders who understand macroeconomics.
Send the Tea Party home and say NO to Romney's plan for economic disaster.
OBAMA 2012
Now Paul Ryan is psychic.
Three days ago he openly admits that the Romney/Ryan campaign has "had some missteps."
Yesterday, when asked by Chris Wallace about the details of the Romney/Ryan tax plan, Ryan responds "It would take me too long to go through all of that."
That's okay, Paul, we have the time.
I'd like to see a debate between mittwitt and himself, arguing for one of the many points he made earlier and then arguing against his revised positions. It's a lose-lose situation. And of course, when he loses the debate with himself, the foxbots will rush like limbaugh to his defense: "it was all the liberal media's fault."
MSNBCMFE....just watching that Ryan boy blunder clip on msnbc right now.......like watching a 13 year old boy trying to talk to a girl for the first time...totally discombobulated blather! "I believe what I believe, I do what I do"........How statesman is that? That's a plan?
Another entertaining day on the boards....hehehehe
Looking forward to Wed. should be fun. I was thinking of taking a shot of rum every time mittens gaffed, but I really don't wanna get that sh!t faced.
I'd do bong hits, but don't think I can get my hands on that much pot.
All teasing aside, Get registered, get required ID,(fascist pigs) and VOTE!
No matter how hard a group tries, they CAN NOT silence the voice of the American People.
(Be Aware: robo calls have already started, telling voters that on election day repubs vote, but because of projected turn out, dems will be required to vote the following day.) Yes, this is a repeat of 2010 BS repubs were pulling. The only way Romney can win is to lie and steal the vote. As UN-American as can be.
Much Love n Peace to all my friends, and everyone else too.
Da Pup
>:o): Obama 2012
I live in Florida and you would not believe how many ads for the Republicans are hitting the airways - one right after the other. BARF!!!!
Kim.....I'm in So Fl and have to endure Allen West's. Worse I'm in his district and have to look at his signs. He is an awful candidate and such an embarrassment to have in the U.S. Congress and is in for a fight for his seat no matter how much money he may have.
Question: What should a President do immediately after a terrorist attack?
Answer: Blame it on a video and go campaigning.
At least it's not blaming Bush, there's some change.
Gingerbread - God - Keys is insane. We have Vern "the crook" Buchanan in my district. His headquarters are across the street from where I work so I have to see him all the time in local restaurants, etc. They are both crazy weasels.
This nation has done one hell of a job in the past whenever we have attempted to shape events in the Middle East.
...The Shah of Iran
...Osama bin Laden
...The Taliban
...Saddam Hussein
Yup...pretty nice work with all of that...so obviously we need more of the same, right, Mr. Romney?
Romney's Worst mistake was picking Ryan for VP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan will be Romney's down fall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama's downfall will be his belief in redistribution and socialism -- even though Mrs. Alan Greenspan withholds the news!!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan is the only one who has ever come up with a realistic BUDGET PROPOSAL ... you know, that bothersome little LEGALLY REQUIRED THINGY that the Dems choose to ignore.
Of course, Obama also chooses to ignore existing immigration laws and the legally passed DOMA law.
Ryan has a realistic budget proposal? When did he release that? Are you talking about the Ryan Budget that Romney called "marvelous"? That budget is FAR from realistic.
That Ryan Budget has a long, detailed list of tax cuts - lower top-tier tax rates and corporate tax rates; eliminate taxes on capital gains, estates, interest and dividends. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center calculates that these specified tax cuts will reduce tax revenue by $4.3 trillion over the next 10 years.
Not to worry, though - Ryan claims these tax cuts will be made revenue-neutral by closing unspecified loopholes!
In this same 10-year period the Ryan Budget contains specified spending cuts of around $1 trillion. Medicaid funding is reduced by $800 billion, food stamps by $130 billion, and Pell grants to college students are reduced.
Ryan's budget also includes $700 billion in Medicaid savings from the ACA – the same $700 billion the Romney attack ads accuse President Obama of cutting - because Ryan claims they were in the "baseline". So now we are up to $1.7 trillion in spending cuts.
So the Ryan Budget specifies $4.3 trillion in revenue reductions and $1.7 trillion in spending cuts for a total deficit increase of $2.5 trillion – and this does not even include the proposed increase in military spending!
Don’t get upset, though – because the Ryan Budget also includes "secret" tax reforms and "super-secret" spending cuts that will magically transform this $2.5 trillion deficit increase into a deficit reduction.
So that's the Ryan Budget formula - reduce taxes on the wealthy, change Medicare into a voucher system, cut spending on lower-income families and college students….
……sprinkle with magic pixie dust, alter the rules of mathematics, and ABRACADABRA – Deficit Reduction!
Paul Ryan - The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney doesn't need a great October. He needs to go back in time and relive his life so he doesn't end up a stupid empty suit with millions in stolen money.
Ryan's Conservative Values is Stupidity, I think Ryan is a POTHEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another post of irrelevance from "Patriotic" ... I think you are a paid troll !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, we know that "Liberals" have trouble understanding the concept of "living within your income". What do you do when the U.S.A. credit card is "MAXXED-OUT" ... and no one wants to buy our paper ? Greece, anyone ??
Patriotic,
I know that Obama has bragged about all the pot smoking and cocaine he did in high school and college, but I have missed the accounts of Ryan doing this. Obama is a self admitted drug abuser, Ryan is not.
"Ryan will be Romney's down fall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
To all who care about the US TROOPS serving overseas.
The Obama Pentagon "oops" didn't get ballots to those who are laying their lives down for this country
Tell any and all servicemen about HerosVote.org...
.If they do not get registered in time Tens of Thousands of Military personnel on the front line will
GET NO VOTE in the 2012 election
Call me a cynic but I think this was done on "accidentally on purpose" Everyone knows the Brave men & women who serve our Country vote majority REPUBLICAN...I think Obamas Pentagan is trying to SURPRESS the military Vote!
The credit card maxxed out under Bush. You remember the 300 billion dollar unfunded drug plan, 2 unfunded wars and the 400 billion a year tax cuts. You claim to be fiscally conservative yet continue to vote for people who are anything but. Explain how cutting 5 trillion in revenue is either responsible or capable of cutting our debt. Don't include the trickle down crap Bush tried it and the economy went into meltdown. The last president to balance the budget was a democrat. So a democrat proved the best way to balance a budget is responsible spending and maintaining our tax base and republicans keep going back to trickle down which never worked. Reagan tripled the deficit and Bush Junior tripled it again.
Did anyone see the story about the 16 Children slaughtered in Mexiaco (at a Birthday party) by Guns from Fast n Furious?
OMG~! How many unnecessarily MURDERED PEOPLE will Holder & Obama be responsible for?
FAST n FURIOUS Dead Americans ----MSM cover-up
Benghazi Gate -----DEAD Americans -----MSM cover up!
TO: jim-1455434 who wrote:
Then why is it that the only folks who are voting for Ryan/Romney are the ones who don't know WHAT that supposed "Budget Proposal" is?
Anybody and everybody who's familiar with Paul Ryan's "Budget" are voting for President Obama!
Obama/Biden 2012
Love2troops, hate to burst your bubble, but neither Obama nor the Pentagon has anything to do with getting ballots to service members. Try a different TV channel once in a while.
If you care soooooo much about the troops, how about calling your Republican Senators and ask them to come back to Washington and help them get a job when they return to civilian life.
Hate to point out the obvious to you, but guns do not kill people, people kill people.
@ American Girl #4.13,Go ahead MAKE MY DAY !!
Sometimes it seems like you are hell-bent on proving your lack of knowledge. You DO REALIZE, DON'T YOU, that the House of Representatives has already passed budget(s) as they are supposed to do under law, but then Harry Reid sits on them in the Senate because they do not contain enough wasteful spending to satisfy Obama and the liberals.
"Anybody and everybody ...blah, blah, blah ...." has just been shot full of HOLES !
@Love2troops
You mean like the Voter Fraud the RNC is committing in Florida?
Someone is going to JAIL!
Hint: Not Dems
@jim 4.15
Sometimes it seems like you are hell-bent on proving your lack of knowledge. You DO REALIZE, DON'T YOU, that the House of Representatives have to come up with a budget that the Senate will pass and the President will sign.
Patriotic American U.S.A.
Ryan's Conservative Values is Stupidity, I think Ryan is a POTHEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Awwwwww, come on. Ya give us pot heads a bad name comparing Lyin to us . hehehe
Much Love n Peace,
Da Pup
>:o):
Romeny is going to have a worse October....more trick than treat.
Romney is memorizing "zingers" for the debate when Americans want facts and specifics....oh wait, Ryan couldn't give specifics about Romney's tax plan and he is supposed to be the numbers wonk!
GOP is water-boarding their voters to vote for Romney !!!!!!!!!!!
If the polls were favoring Romney, I doubt you'll hear from right wing nut job posters complaining about the polls are formulated. It's only when a Dem is in the lead that there must be something wrong with them polls.
I had no idea that FOX News was part of this left-wing media conspiracy.
...hell, I didn't know FOX News was part of the left-wing media!
Republicans don't like to admit it, but conservatives voices make up more than their fair share of the dreaded "Main Stream Media".
-Fox News is the highest rated cable news channel.
-The Wall Street Journal has more subscribers than the New York Times (and USA Today)
-Conservative Talk Radio dominates the airwaves.
The supposed "Liberal Bias of the MSM" is just another Republican myth.
What's up with ROBMEHOODS tax returns ???????????????
It has been filed for 2011 ... perhaps you were asleep..... AGAIN !!!!!!!!!
By the way "Robin Hood" stole from the rich to give to the poor, as per fable. Obama wants to steal from the rich, run up national debt higher, put more on food stamps and declare amnesty for ALL ILLEGALS ... to solidify the Democratic Party !
The problem is, what will he do when he runs out of other people's money ??
What is Amazing is the select few number of Naive Americans who have
beenConned/Fooled by the republicanCrimeCartelPropagandaMachine. Think about
it... These Very Well monied, SnakeOil Salemen MittTaxPittanceRommel and his SideKick, Eddie Munster, are The Elitist Thug's economic Hitters Who Caused This Whole WORLD Disaster Starting with
President Reagan and Most Assuredly Pronounced with KingGeorge The VacuumBrained during his NOTORIOUSLY SHAMEFUL Shrubber Reign 2001- 2008. These two Amoral Politaphiles are into Contolling and Manipulating
America in their favor, at the pleasure of their 1-10%er and corporate Masters, ACTUALLY
StealingAmerica's economic power. Research It: These Republican 1-10% wealthy
and corporate Thieves have OVER $40 Trillion Dollars, OUR MONEY, Stolen From
US with Their Phony Bank Fees and out and out Acoount Looting, Stashed in
Overseas accounts in their names and registration numbered foreign accounts.
Money needed for rebuilding America NOT Bloating their elitist
"family wealth" for the future of their "Little Darlings" SUCH AS Rommels $48,000,000
Malibu Mansion WITH an InHouse Car Elevator for his son's $180,000 Ferrari. Prez
O is the ONLY Choice. These ARISTOCRAT ELITIST THUGS Who Escaped THEIR FINAL
DATE with THE MADAM in 1792, The French Revolution, calling themselves
"republicans" BELONG IN PRISON NOT in Congress or The WhitHouse. Try this one on
for size:
President Harry Truman in 1948: "The Republicans … will
try to
make people
believe that everything the Government has done for the country is
socialism. They will go to the people and say: "Did you see
that social security check you received the other day—you thought that
was good for you, didn't you? That's just too bad! That's nothing in the
world but socialism.
Did you see that new flood control dam the
Government is building over there
for
the protection of your property?
Sorry—that's awful socialism! That new
hospital
that they are building
is socialism. Price supports, more socialism
for the
farmers! Minimum
wage laws? Socialism for labor! Socialism is bad
for you, my
friend.
Everybody knows that. And here you are, with your
new
car, and your
home, and better opportunities for the kids, and a
television set—you
are just
surrounded by socialism! Now the Republicans
say, 'That's a
terrible thing, my
friend, and the only way out of this
sinkhole of
socialism is to vote for the
Republican ticket.'" And, AND!,
AND!!! that
was 64 Years Ago!!!. The
republicanCrimeCartel is still doing
the same
exploitation of people THEY ARE
NOTORIUS FOR. BUT, according
toKingGeorgeTheVacuumBrained, it is called "free
market" capitalism;
with
families in the streets and 25% Unemployment and worse
with
MittTaxPittanceRommel and his buddy EddiMunster. Fellow and
Sister
Americans: A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelSoldier, Rommel, is
a vote
Against Yours and Your Family's Well Being. You Can Take That
Advice To TheBank. And Rommel?, Rommel: "That 47% WHO depend on the government- I
DON'T CARE ABOUT
THEM. I care about the 1-10%Evil Rich and EVIL EVIL
Corporate Rich B@$T@RD$ Like
ME*ME* ME*ME!!! Sister and Brother Americans
Rommel and EddiMunster ARE NOT "The
Dynamic Duo" Without A Doubt THEY ARE
the DISGUSTING Duo. At Election time
Listen to that InnerVoice, You're
Guardian Angel; Let's KEEP Prez O Around the
WhiteHouse; otherwise "Those
Two" and their Pals will "CLEAN HOUSE" With US
Payin' The Freight.
Still waiting for the article on NBC covering the cover-up by this administration in Libya. Probably be waiting a long time as this doesn't fit their narrative or agenda. If this scandal would have been a Republican needless to say it would have been all over this place and you liberal writers on here would have been going nuts. Where is your outrage?
dogs: So go to another website.
Posters that come to this website day after day to complain about it....LOL!
As with the President...we liberals wait til we have all the facts. We don't operate under the cowboy style, of shoot first and then try to walk it back..as Mitt Romney is doing with that disastrous press conference. He like you and the rest on the right are all too anxious to make political points out of a very tragic incident.
If y'all are as concerned as you piously claim to be about the deaths of our diplomatic staff, you shouldn't try to make a political football of it.
So GM, riddle me this.
If "you Liberals" wait until you have all the facts, why were Rice and Clinton out there the next day shooting from the hip, claiming the Embassy attack was all about a video?
You mean like the commander in cheif tried to make a political football out of Ben Liden. You liberals are like the President in waiting, waiting to see what spin you can put on this mess and who you can throw under the bus for it.
dog...The democrat-communists do not even know what happened in Libya. They are too infatuated with Obama to know what is happening.
The White House was hoping the news cycle would put the story about Libya in the back of the American public's minds before the real facts came out.
dog, in the words of Ann Romney "you people", meaning Libya critics, sound incredibly desperate every time you bring this subject to the boards. Anyone with a brain cell gets what happened and understands that in the confusion of what was taking place in the Middle East, it took time to separate the incidents and put the pieces of the attack together. I have no criticism of our intelligence, or of the White House for trying to keep the American people informed while not having all the facts available at the time. It is nothing but GOP whining; they've lost the foreign policy edge so they spin, twist, distort events to suit their own fantasies.
WCA -- READ:
Jody, really?? Kind of how MOST of the posters on here talk about Romney's taxes.. Last time I checked no one here has admitted to working for the IRS or to have posession of Romney's taxes.. To incinuate that he cheated on taxes just because he hasn't provided them publicly is assuming.. Just like people are assuming about Obama's real birth place, his college stats, his illegal immigrant family on public assistance.. It's ALL hearsay, speculation and perception.. Your comment is the equivelent of the "pot calling the kettle black" in theory because BOTH parties do it..
Laulaus: It's unproven because the only person capable of legally disproving them refuses. Talk about a lame defense. Obama did prove his birthplace publicly even though for white men all that's required is proving it to the election board. A black man has to post it publicly and prominently. As for college stats they aren't provided by Romney why should Obama release his? Obama did however release his tax returns in full.
There have been a number of presidential candidates far richer than Romney that were never questioned because they were open about how their money was earned. Romney has been secretive and has over 100 million stashed in tax haven countries even starting an offshore investment company to avoid taxes. His so called blind trust is ran by his friend and personal attorney and you wonder why people don't believe or trust him? How blind is a trust ran by an employee?
Romney wants war in the Middle east so bad he can taste it.
Romney and Ryan are there own worst enemies
Yet you believe that Obama doesn't shoot himself in the foot? Puh-lease!
How stupid has Obama made himself look by claiming that the terrorist attacks in Libya and throughout the middle east were 'spontaneous'?
How stupid has Obama made himself look by claiming that the middle class is doing fine?
Just how blind are you?
Tammy, Puleese! Mitt and Ryan have done much better in the foot in mouth dept.
47%
2 hr marathon
I don't remember what I said but I'll stick by it
don't have time to explain the math
Tax returns
etc,etc.............
but since you brought up foreign affairs, I seem to recall Mitts European tour, headline, Mitt the Twit from our closet Allie.
...wha...
Vladimir Putin and Hugo Chavez have both endorsed Barack Hussein Obama for a 2nd term. That should tell you that Obama is a hit with our enemies.
China endorsed Willard Mitt Romney.
@Joe Thomas-6624551 Yeah, because they are both communists and they know Obama is a COMMUNIST!
And Mittens is endorsed by Gingrich, an adulterous liar; Ryan, a lying air head; and Trump, well, we all know what he is. Nice guy you've got there tommy boy. No wonder you and the rest of mitten's flying monkeys are stretching for connections with communism, islam, and all the rest of the fox false "facts". Give it up tommy boy, you're trying to bail out a sinking ship with a teaspoon.
I would say Romney has the support of all the radical Islamic extremists, who would love to have another tough-talking Republican who acts before he thinks in office.
Do you think the invasion of Iraq did anything to further the "War on Terror"? Radical Muslims loved it - it gave them a chance to attack Americans directly, made Iran more powerful and created a new generation of potentital terrorists of Iraqi children.
How much would they love a President Romney who wants to "control events" in Libya and Egypt, insults Palestineans, cedes foreign policy decisions to Israel, and threatens to bomb Iran?
I sure hope your college football team is better than your logic ! It is OBAMA that panders to the Muslim extremists ... before he lies repeatedly to cover the truth !
The reply that comes to mind for me is this:
ROMNEY/RYAN are endorsed by so called Christian Conservatives. Lying, intolerant and in MHO not any better then the Taliban.
Grover Norquist endorsed Romney
"We don’t need someone to think. … We need someone who knows how to hold a pen.”
Most of our adversaries probably prefer a sane president rather than a draft dodger wanting to prove his moxie with others sons lives. After Bush's first term 8 of 10 of our closest allies supported Kerry over another term of Bush. I guess the world prefers peace over war.
Joe,
Communist to boot. Both these terrorists endorse one of their own, Obammy. All are commies.
TENNJZ, I do not believe Israel is running Mitts foreign policy. I believe he has Fox News taking care of that.
ir12
believe you were responding to my homey TNSEVOL , but your right he has shifted so far to the right its scary. Im afraid of whats going to go down with Iran and their Nuclear program, regardless of whom is in charge. BUT I will feel a bit better with Obama at the helm, rather then Romney. Its going to be a mess. In passing I do not believe you can just say Fox News, with out some qualifier, such as dum Fux News. Don't you agree.
TENNJZ - Sorry about the mix up. You are probably correct about the propaganda machine. However, is it nice to talk about the people that believe it like that? They have to quit school early because those minimum wage jobs don't last long. They may all be gone before they graduate.
I don't know why we have these debates any more. I did not vote for Obama the last time. These people spend so much time in the news and so much time and and money on interviews and advertisements that you pretty much know everything about them before the debates. I made up my mind about a week ago so I won't be watching any debates. Polls show Obama ahead but conservatives don't believe polls and at the same time say Romney needs a good showing. Same old crap.
YOU JUST DON’T GIVE A F**K ABOUT FACTS IF…
1: You’re irate over the president taking so many vacation days on the taxpayer’s dime (61 thus far), but you thought George W. Bush earned every minute of his leisure time (196 days at the same point in his presidency).
2: You’re happy with your 40 hour work week, paid vacations and company-provided healthcare, but you’re strongly anti-union, because those commies haven’t done anything for you lately.
3: You strongly support the First Amendment and its guarantee of religious freedom to all, but you don’t think Muslims have a right to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan.
4: You believe Ronald Reagan was a devout Christian, even though he hated going to church, but any president who spends twenty years going to the same Trinity United Church in Chicago must be a Muslim.
5: You believe when a Republican governor creates a healthcare package with an individual mandate for everyone in his state, that’s a good idea. But when a Democratic president does it, suddenly it’s unconstitutional.
6: You’re so enthused about demonstrating your Second Amendment rights, you can think of no finer place to brandish your pistol in public than at a presidential rally.
7: You believe Bill Clinton was responsible for Osama bin Laden’s escape ten years ago, but thankfully George W. Bush caught up with him and killed him in Pakistan.
8: You believe in putting American jobs first, except when president Obama rescued 1.5 million GM and Chrysler autoworkers, because that was socialism.
9: It angers you that you can’t communicate with the Mexican busboy at your local Olive Garden, but when you took a vacation to San Francisco’s Chinatown, you thought it’s quaint that so many Chinese-Americans are holding fast to their traditional language. Because that’s America!
10: You deny that the lunatic who tried to murder Gaby Giffords was a conservative, even though he targeted a Jewish, pro-choice, pro gay rights, Democratic Congresswoman.
11: You thought it was perfectly normal that every president in history had an untethered right to raise the debt ceiling when warranted, but when Obama asked the GOP held congress to do it, you thought it only natural that it be tied to cutting Social Security and Medicare.
12: When the new 112th Congress was sworn in, you swooned as they promised to focus on “Jobs, jobs, jobs.” But when they pivoted, and went after NPR, Planned Parenthood and gay rights, you cheered.
13: You accuse president Obama of raising your taxes to the highest point ever, even though they’re lower today than at any time since 1950.
14: You believe the wealthiest Americans are “job creators,” and they are — but it doesn’t bother you that all the workers in those positions are in India, China and Malaysia, and they’re doing the jobs that our fathers once did.
15: You believe gays are anti-American, because their lifestyle is a threat to the children… unless they’re married to Tea Party-backed presidential candidates from Minnesota.
16: You strongly defend individual freedom, but that freedom doesn’t include a woman’s right to decide her own healthcare needs.
17: You believe corporations are people too, and are deserving of the same rights as the rest of us. Just not the same obligations to pay personal income tax free of corporate loopholes, or penalties for massive criminal behavior and tax evasion. In these matters, corporations are deserving of special rights.
18: And since corporations are now people too, you must believe in their right to a driver’s license, the right to marry, to adopt children, etc. These rights shall not be denied to Exxon, Halliburton and BP (but still immune from the right of the People to try, convict and sentence to death any corporation that conspires to commit a felony… because at that point, they’re suddenly not people again.)
19: You still believe Climate Change is a myth, and the recent record highs, lows, floods and droughts around the world coinciding with climate scientist’s predictions are all an amazing coincidence. Oh, and Al Gore is FAT!
20: You believe when George W. Bush took the national debt from $5 trillion to $11 trillion, it was necessary for him to do so to keep America safe. But when Barack Obama added to it by trying to rescue the country from a second Great Depression, he was deliberately trying to destroy America!
21: You believe America is a God fearing country, and that the Almighty protects those who believe just as you do. But it’s never crossed your mind that the majority of tornados, hurricanes and floods all occur in the Bible Belt.
22: You believe that no matter who’s in the White House, the office, if not the man himself is deserving of your respect. The only exceptions to this rule, are if his middle name sounds Muslim, and if he’s not at least as white as that black guy who works down in the mailroom at the office.
Madonna says Obama is a black Muslim. That is good enough for me.
Madonna said that to flush out the right wing light weigts. Caught one!
Because Madonna is such an authority on all things political....
GREAT Stuff. Thanks
owencoffin.........excellent, excellent post. thank you for posting.
In all fairness to Joe Thomas, Madonna is an intellectual heavyweight compared to Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan......
Madonna is a deranged has-been who thinks her leftist leanings make her relevant again.
We all need to Vote a Straight Democratic Ticket and clean out that rat hole republican-tea bag Congress.
In other words, you want blind stupidity ... like a good little lemming following the leader over the cliff to financial chaos ? So your concept is DON'T THINK... VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC ?????????????????
Bush senior was the last sane republican. Even though we could have walked into Bagdad he knew overthrowing Saddam and creating 2 Shiite majority countries side by side was worse than having them offset each other. Too bad the acorn fell so far from the tree.
dogs80,
You and Huckabee must be on the same page, but most people would not use the word "cover up" in the recent release of more information that has been gathered about the group that killed Ambassador Stevens.
Most people would use the word cover-up because sir that is exactly what it is. Bet we find out alot more after the election on this and fast and furious. Those are just minor little things (people gettin killed) that shouldnt get in the way of the great way the Pres. is running the country.
How many american's died in the Iraq war?
That's unfair. When terrorists kill 299 marines like they did under Reagan in Lebanon, fly planes into the trade center and pentagon and thousands killed looking for imaginary WMD we should stand by our president whether we support him or not. When he's a black man we blame him for not having the foresight to prevent every attack. Republicans must really think black men are so much smarter than whites. Why else would they hold him to such a higher standard?
I hope whoever win the presidential race would do the following:
1. raise tax for the rich and cut most of deduction (yes even to the middle class.)
2. cut government and defense spending significantly.
Those 2 are the best ways to solve our budget problems. Hope GOP can work together to solve the problems together. Otherwise, China will kick our ass in near future.
The only way that the country's budget will be brought under control is to cut entitlement spending.
Cut that first before any taxes are raised or anything else (there have been too many promises by democrats to cut spending, yet it never happens - even when republicans agree to tax hikes)
Oh, consider this -
Currently this country borrows about 40% of all spending.
Entitlements make up about 60% of the budget, the entire DoD is <20% of the budget, the rest is split between debt servicing and discretionary budget spending.
Even if we were to cut the DoD spending to zero, we would still be borrowing a significant portion of the budget. And by cutting all DoD spending you would be cutting the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, Border Patrol, Military, and numerous other agencies.
So, the only way to really cut deficit spending is to get entitlement spending under control.
Also, while the military is mandated by the Constitution, entitlements are NOT.
The federal government needs to be shrunk back to its Constitutional limits.
Looks like Tammy needs to take a class and learn how to read a budget. I certainly hope you aren't in charge of the home budget.
Shellie, How can Tammy possibly READ a BUDGET .... when, for almost 4 years now, the Obama administration has not passed a budget ! None of Obama's budget proposals have received even the first vote ... FROM WITHIN HIS OWN PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!
Others have always passed budgets ! What is Obama's excuse ... because we all KNOW he will have one ?!
Lucu: You sound like Clinton. Someone should explain to republicans that cutting taxes and hoping for job growth to grow us out of it clearly doesn't work yet spending less clearly does.
Jim: Obama proposed a budget that would include 2 trillion in cuts to revenue in exchange for 2 trillion in tax increases mostly on the rich and republicans opposed it. Their alternative offer included no tax increases on the rich and no cuts to military all to be cut from social programs and government services. Trying to pretend it was democrats being unwilling to compromise is simply untrue. Norquist wouldn't allow republicans to accept any tax increases so compromise wasn't possible.
Sorry Larry, but you need to return back to the truth ! Boehner had agreed to a deal, but Obama kept changing what he wanted after the deal was set ... and he did this multiple times.
Norquist is not in charge and that is merely a "crutch" for you Democrats to fall back upon because it has no proven validity. It's merely a Demmie talking point because Obama refuses cuts for anything but the militery which he WANTS TO GUT ! Thus, the "sequester deal" which makes massive cuts to the military even though the military budget represents a much smaller piece of the total budget !
I paid into Social Security and Medicare for 30 years. I don't think that is qualified as an entitlement. Its and investment for retirement, just in case i don't become one of the 1%er,
Either that or I want 30 years of my hard earn money back.
Jim: You're misinformed. Boener did agree to a compromise which included tax increases until he got reamed by Ryan and company. They backed out. 95% of republicans have signed the Norquist pledge to not raise taxes. Such a pledge violates their ability to compromise. Sorry the truth upsets you. Norquist considers eliminating deductions and exemptions on the middle class fine but any on the rich or corporations a tax increase. That's why Obama claims the loopholes closed to pay for Romneys 5 trillion dollar cut will come from the middle class. the Norquist pledge forces them to.
The origional entitlements were. SS, the Veterans Adm and benefits, medicare and the railroad retirement act. all these other so called entitlements came later. What the government can do is add medicare with SS as one entitlement, the VA is under the Militarty and the rrra is under the rrr board. these have to be kept. all the other crud can go the away of the doo-doo, and we all known what thosen others are.
dogs80
Still waiting for the article on NBC covering the cover-up by this administration in Libya. Probably be waiting a long time as this doesn't fit their narrative or agenda. If this scandal would have been a Republican needless to say it would have been all over this place and you liberal writers on here would have been going nuts. Where is your outrage?
Hey dawg,
What would you like MSNBC to say?
Would it be something like FOX NOISE's most notorious, hateful, anti- Muslim, Islamophobic, anti-Black and Latin people, women abusive, LGBT bashing, and FAKE religious channel having the nerve to call the MSNBC in the tank for "O"????
Fuhgeddaboudit, MSNBC reports news from what I see instead of fear mongering.
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden
Hey Bev, why are you unemployed?
Hey Joe, why are you employed by Romney?
@Joe -- Bev probably has a job (hint hint wink wink) but her brain is on vacation. "Momma what's vacation mean?" "That's when you go away and never come back."
Hey Bev,
Maybe if they would just mention. All other news channels have (yes I watch more than one) unlike your bias little self. CNN was reporting on it real good until the administration jumped all over them about it.
And you libs always like to trash Fox news. Tell me then why one of the programs will have more viewers at any given time then the rest of the "news" stations combined. Get a grip on reality!
Hey Bev, where's that "NEWS COVERAGE" of the Benghazi coverup ?
dogs80, Fox
newsentertainment has more viewers because more republican tea nuts are in their trailers all day, unemployed and living off welfare with nothing better to do with their time than rot what little grey matter they have left with the radio on Rush Limpballs and the TV on Fox Lies.Yeah, eric and I bet you think Forrest Gump was real ? You libs have taken Hollywood movies and made them into "your reality". All you are capable of is disparaging those with different opinions because YOU ... bring absolutely nothing to the table worthy of discussion.
Obama STILL does not want to admit it was a terrorist attack. The "thought control" of the left-wing, liberal spin media is amazing !
I don't think Donny and Marie can save this election for Mr. Romney.
Do you think Madonna, Whoopi, and Joy can save it for Obama?
He doesn't need their help.
With NBC, CBS, ABC covering for Obama's every fuc_up, Obama probably does not need Madonna !
Oh, and MSNBC (chuckle), I can't wait for Chris Matthews to get the "tingle up his leg" when Obama speaks. These clowns on MSNBC must have received high payments for their blind idolatry ! LOL !!
Romney's plan: Lower his own tax rate to less than 1% while raising taxes on the poor and middle class. Increase his wealth and power while cutting programs for the poor, children, the sick and retired. Continue his life of lies and entitlement. Yes, mr romney should have a very big October.
yeah but 40 - 45% are still backing him ... must be a lot of well off people in this country making way over 6 digits plus they must be focused on the one thing he said he would do for them instead of the overall picture since he's said so many things to so many people ... it's hard to keep track ... have to re boot the re tool here ....
When you see Romney walk out on stage to debate President Obama Wednesday he's going to have on so many pairs of magic underwear he'll look like a Teletubby.
Owen, what are magic underwear?
Joey: An odd question. What is your interest?
Joe,
Romney's "magic underware" is a reference to his being a Mormon. When a member reaches a certain level in the Mormon church they get this special under garment that they never, ever take off. Non-Mormons refer to it as Magic Underware.
It's pretty well know stuff about Mormons and Romney. Kind of surprised anyone here has to ask. Hit Google to learn more.
I guess the GOP is rethinking the Newt and Santorum support !! lolololololol
Bet Hussein's butt is puckered. Imagine this. He will now have to defend his presidency. How will the teleprompter respond to apologizing, appeasing, the Libyan massacre, Fast and Furious, and Hussein's flexibility issues?
Joey, Joey, Joey. Apologizing - didn't happen. Appeasing - didn't happen. The Libyan massacre - a horrible terroist act immediately pounced on by a treasonous Romney in an attempt at political gain - so quick you wonder if he knew about it beforehand??? Fast and Furious - a Bush program that the car thief Issa and his cohorts tried to turn into something it wasn't. How much are you being paid to betray your country?
lakey, lakey, lakey. Apologizing happened. Appeasement happened, check Clinton and Obama response. Obama calls it workplace violence. Both he and Clinton, along with Rice, called it a response to a homemade movie. Romney treasonous? You silly little girl. Fast and Furious? Hundreds dead because of Holder, Clinton, and Hussein trying to figure out a way around the 2nd Amendment. You are nothing but a communist, just like Obama.
Joe.... your hate is showing as is your ignorance.
Joe
I am sorry your Guy is loosing. It will be all over in Nov. But your pure Hate of the USA will keep going unless you soul search and get a NEW Heart. The one you carry now is blackened by the Cancer of Hate. Good luck to you dear. Your whole life is at stake.
GM, The only "hate" come from words #3 and #9 from your post !
FR:
Gotcha Gregory played Rice's previous statement about Libyan, and she made it very clear that she was only making an initial assessment that the violence was a protest that got out hand. I guess that's too complicated for Gotcha.
Gotcha Gregory also rudely cut Plouffe off when Plouffe pointed out that Romney's ridiculous attempt to score cheap political points off the Libya attack and the death of Americans there.
Question: If President Obama were a Muslim, Muslim sympathizing socialist - the proverbial Manchurian Candidate - why has he not yet revealed himself and allowed his Muslim brethren to overrun the country, institute Sharia law and do all of the other shyt you crazy-a$$ RWNJs say he wants to do? Why whould he have waited 4 years to do any of these things? Why would he have taken the chance that he wouldn't be re-elected before he could carry out his evil master plan?
I know that's probably far too logical an argument for something that's obviously a ridiculous notion, but sometimes I just like pointing out how freaking stupid you RWNJs are...
He's saving that for January when he takes his "oath" on a koran.
Chris:Reason: nimble lib minds don't know what the hell is actually going on around them. they have the mainstream media telling you what to think, how to react to what the reps are doing and not printing the news. Yes-the news, Obama has been giving hints all along. "I need a few more years to get what I started done" if you think it getting the economy stable, or job creation. you are crazy and you will be crazy for the rest of your life.
There was a NY parade just held last weekend. there were radical speakers and they were demanding The UN and Obama to restrict the 1st Adm, they were screaming about muslim Sharia laws implemented. One state dem senator as a parade marshall got up from his seat on the stage and walked off. he got sick to his stomach for what these goons were demanding.Ask yourself this question: why is the DHS buying millions and millions of hollow point rounds. Think that it for target practice? yeah right. why is Osha buying million of rounds or the dept. of Interior, the post office, social security adm. all for target practice? if you think that, you need shock treatment to re arrange that thinking process.
if you think that I learned how to become a ventriloquist and talking out of my ass, you need a lobotomy. There are many people who are seeing the signs and that is why obama has to go. period.
Romney and Ryan = Dumb and Dumber
Sorry, but saying you will cut the deficit in half .... while actually running it up higher and higher gives that award to Barry and Joey !
lakerman2 AMEN
Jim: And you expect Romney to do better on the deficit than Obama even though he won't say how he'll do it. Explain how cutting 5 trillion in revenue will reduce our deficit. At least Obama doesn't have a plan that will cut revenue by 25% and claim it will reduce the deficit. We listened to Bush's lies we aren't falling for them again. All your posts and you can't do anything but bash Obama and democrats. Can't defend Romney's plans?
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Wage WAR on Economic Terrorist
Obama Bin Lyin
Vote Romney/Ryan your future depends on it
My future does depend on it, that's why I won't even consider Romney/Ryan. Voting for those guys is like voting for a self-destruct buttom
Another absolutely BRILLIANT GOTeabagger heard from....
YOU are part of the "lower echelon" that the ROMNEYBOT REALLY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT.... THEY will use you as a tool and discard you....and laugh while they do it.
"they must be talking about someone else" you say as they kick you to the curb. Are you a WEALTHY ENTREPRENEUR ??
NO??? TOO BAD FOR YOU....
Why is it that the Republicans always resort to juvenile names calling? The constant petty namecalling reveals an intellect that is belown normal.
GCV did you not see your Democrat comrade above you.. It appears name calling is all he's good at..
No matter what Chuck Todd and his fellow band of Political Brigands say, the MESSAGE AND CORE BELIEFS that the Republican Party has are INDEFENSIBLE...
The GOP wants to slit the economic throats of our Seniors, Retirees, the impoverished, the sick, the infirm, the unemployed and the otherwise vulnerable citizens of this country....
And what they TAKE FROM THEM, they want to give to the wealthy in the form of FURTHER tax breaks, incentives and an otherwise IMMENSE ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE over the current and former working men and women of America.... THE 47-53& of AMERICA ARE TRASH AND LEECHES ACCORDING TO THEIR PARTY AND IT'S LEADERS....
How do we know this?? Romney SAID IT HIMSELF....and the other leaders of their PARTY DOUBLED DOWN ON THESE BELIEFS....screw the little people....THEY DON'T MATTER and he doesn't have to worry about them.
THE GOP....THE PARTY OF WEALTH AND INFLUENCE.....FOR THEM AND NOT FOR YOU.
How do we know this?? Romney SAID IT HIMSELF..
Like a dead Ambassador & three other Seals are a bump in the road? & he is still lying about the reason?
I've said it before - I am not an Obama man, but Romney is not for the middle class. His whole career at Bain (what, around 20 years or so?) was all about being a "leveraged buyout man." He saddled companies with debt, sucked them dry, and left the already floundering companies holding the bag. Their only options? Sell to Bain for next to nothing, declare bankruptcy, or try to save their bacon by @!$%#canning the grunts. Guess which option was usually taken?
If he thought he could get something from you, he would bend you over, ride your ass (sans reach around), and take your wallet as he left you dribbling and bloodied. THAT is Mitt Romney.
oh yeah - Obama/Biden 2012 - the joke whose punchline I already know