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Subscribe to RSSON THE CAMPAIGN CHARTER HEADING TO OHIO -- The same day as the first presidential debate of the 2012 election, Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan will begin a three-day debate camp.
Campaign spokesman Brendan Buck told reporters aboard the Ryan press charter Saturday afternoon Rep. Ryan will head to the battleground state of Virginia on Wednesday for an extended debate prep session, commonly referred to as ‘debate camp.’
No reason for selecting Virginia was given, however, advisers in the past have said the camp would likely be in a battleground state, likely in the Eastern time zone, and “somewhere where there aren’t distractions.”
Mitt Romney, who will be debating President Barack Obama in Denver on Wednesday, held his own debate camp in Vermont in early September.
Portman joins Romney for debate prep in Vermont
Ryan’s first formal debate prep day was Sept. 9 in Oregon with his most recent formal debate practice session held this past Sunday in a hotel in Janesville, Wis. Ted Olson, the former solicitor general under President George W. Bush, has been playing the part of Vice President Joe Biden during practice sessions and is expected to be in the Old Dominion state next week as well.
Ryan and Biden will debate just once during this election in Danville, Ky., on Oct. 11 – exactly two months after Ryan was tapped as Romney’s running mate, also in Virginia where debate camp will occur.
The campaign told the traveling press a few weeks ago that the seven-term Wisconsin congressman has been going through large white binders -- “organized by issue areas” -- of policy information, research, and news of the day since the Republican National Convention ended at the end of August.
While there has not been much discussion regarding the VP debate in terms of debate expectations -- as most eyes are on the first presidential debate in four days -- two Ryan advisers appeared to downplay expectations for the House Budget Chairman when they spoke to the traveling press in Reno, Nev., in early September.
“Vice President Joe Biden served over 30 years in the United States Senate, he has run for president twice and has severed as vice president for the past four years. He is one of the most experienced debaters in American political life and we definitely don’t take the challenge lightly,” an adviser said.
Ryan focuses heavily on raising money Sunday and Monday -- holding fundraisers throughout Connecticut and New York City – before heading to the key state of Iowa for four campaign events. He will then turn his focus to debate prep leading up to the final weekend before the debate in Kentucky.
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When Obama is re-elected, I hope you right wingers go seek some serious psychotherapy, because you are going to need it to get through his second term.
Oh, and another thing: as good as the president was in his first term, he will be even better in his second.
I sure am glad we have the best and brightest in charge during difficult times, rather than the sort of person you people prefer, I tell ya.....
Thank you Mr. President for a job well done.
I just hope you quit listening to Lush Rimbaww and his petty, selfish, paranoid Neo-Con party line.
Unemployment, under-employment, misery index, housing starts, foreclosures, inflation, GDP, debt, deficit, gas prices, oil prices, food stamp usage, food prices, labor participation rates, real unemployment, youth unemployment, have ALL gotten worse under Obama.
And still we have self-deluding left-wingers (is that redundant?) saying Thank you Mr. President for a job well done.
None so blind as those who will not see.
Contemporaneity doesn't prove causality, idiot. Just because you believe that Obama is to blame for our slow recovery doesn't mean everyone else can't blame your party's boobs for it. Things have been made far worse by Republicans who pledged not to uphold or defend the Constitution but rather to never raise taxes, throwing their allegiance to an unelected Republican ideologue instead of the American public. Maybe you want to give mean spirited, dogmatic Republicans a pass for their obstructionism, but most thinking people will not reward Republican for its historically unprecedented resort to filibusters to scuttle almost every attempt Obama made to improve things for the average working family. Do you believe everyone has as short a memory as you? And don't give me the standard Repub crap about Democrats were a supermajority during the 2008-2010 Congress. That's another fiction that completely ignores the fact that there were never more than 59 Democrats in the Senate, and 18 so-called Democrats were "Blue Dog Democrats," who were elected in hillbilly states. Those so-called Democrats were, in reality, Republican votes for guns and against abortion, labor unions, and higher taxes.
Everybody learned who favors whom when Republicans held food stamp recipients hostage until Obama relented in pushing a tax increase on the upper 2% and when Republicans refused to increase the debt limit, which prompted Moody's to downgrade America's credit rating. Republicans are relentless warriors for the wealthy, who've been ripping off America for the last 33 years, ever since Reagan starting paying homage to Milton Friedman's neoliberalism. Neoliberalism has failed everywhere it has been installed, from Pinochet's Chile to Lech Walesa's Poland to post-Glasnost Russia. It has already failed the United States: Republican zeal for deregulation led directly to the worldwide financial collapse of 2007-08 and the collapse of the real estate market in the United States, and privatization, another Friedman recommendation, has only served to enrich Republican donors in a shocking display of corporate cronyism.
If you and your fellow Repubs want to be a corporate serfs, that's your business. But I, and a majority of Americans, refuse to surrender the American dream to village idiots like you and your equally uninformed colleagues.
ambassador rice is one of the most respected persons in the world.
...for anyone to try to tarnish her name for a simple mistake is truly not american.
admit that your agenda is to destroy this great country, and then you can speak against her all that you want.
It wasn't even a mistake. She only put out info. that she had recived from the intelligence community this was made clear several times. If the info. was wrong it was because the intelligence comm. gave her bad info. Watch CNN tomorrow and get the full story. The republicans were so desperate to have some bad news about the admin. they jumped the gun and are wrong in what they are sying.
Rice ... are you talking about Condoleezza "Mushroom Cloud - Smoking Gun" Bush Jr. point girl Rice? The dis-information honey that helped get us into two wars we should NEVER have entered, Rice?
Give me a break!
O and Joe 2012 leadership to lead us out of the Bush Jr. - Cheney - Rice - Rumsfeld ... Recession!
The American Right and the Taliban are so much alike that is not even funny and these are the two groups that the rest of America must contend with. Both groups are closed to any view but their own. Both groups reject a fact if it differs from their view. Both groups want to treat women as 2nd class citizens. Both groups want to start useless wars in which everyone loses.
Once again, please stick with something you know, like spooge. I mean really, the Right and the Taliban? Is this the best you can do? Perhaps you should start contributing to society and truly understand what it takes to be successful. You do realize the Constitution was not written to serve and generate Big Government. You do realize the Consitution was written by men who believed in Liberty, Freedom, and Rights.
Yeah because those nasty right wingers love to publicly kill women who they think did something wrong. And those nasty conservatives are always saying that we're wrong about killing babies. Those babies are a nuisance! They should just stop having their own views right now and adopt our views! All they want to do is go to war with countries that pose no threat to our nation. Those buildings falling in New York City were part of a government conspiracy! Iraq's government was full of great people who never did anything wrong. Stupid American Right Wingers! I would rather live my life with no values! Who is with me!
They can have their view but why do like the Taliban and force it on someone else. Yes just like the Taliban the American Right wants the govt. to pass laws requiring everyone to conform to their view and beliefs,
The trade center attacks were caused by Daddy Bush's 1st war with Iraq.
Actually Roy,
As someone who has a Master's Degree in law from Stanford Law School with an emphasis in constitutional law and someone who has taught constitutional law, I can tell you that the Constitution is completely silent as to whether it was written to serve or generate Big Government. In fact, the Constitution (not Consitution) is primarily a document that established the various branches of government and the powers to be exercised by each in such a way as to avoid one branch gaining complete control of the reins of government.
There was an amendment section to the Constitution, where the Founding Fathers conceived of individual rights not to be invaded by the federal government. The "Bill of Rights" in favor of individuals consisted of the first eight amendments. Through judicial interpretation, individual limits on governmental actions, including all its branches, have been extended to state governments and all governmental agencies.
Nothing in the Constitution prohibits a strong, centralized federal government with vast powers even to override political decisions made by the states, as you seem to believe, Roy. You really should stick to subjects you know about rather than suggesting that some constitutional rule is to be found in your favorite empty buzzwords like liberty, freedom, or justice.
Republicans like you are so keen on invoking the Constitution when they don't have the faintest idea what they're talking about.
It was Bush's fault, it was Bush's fault, it was Bush's fault, it was Bush's fault, it was Bush's fault, it was Bush's fault...........................................
c'mon everyone keep chanting! The MSM and Obama will be proud of you...
It was Bush's fault, it was Bush's fault... c'mon only four more years of this...it was Bush's fault, it was Bush's fault.............................................
Are you talking about the financial mess, near economic collapse train wreck economy that the President is pulling us out of? OK:
It WAS Bush Jr's. ... FAULT!
Obama - Biden 2012: Leadership leading us out of the Bush Jr. Recession.
Wow stuped! Still blaming Bush for Obama's failures. That horse has been dead so long that continuing to beat on it just makes it stink worse.
Kannin, it was Bush's fault, it is Bush's fault and it is congress that is blocking anything that might help. And you wonder why I think of you right wonders as pond scum.
Just exactly what do you have against honesty?
That's not how my fellow Coloradans view it. Going back to Bush 2.0 is their biggest fear right along with a Neo-Con candidate that stands for so many different things ... it's obvious he stands for nothing but the 1%.
Putting the blame for the mess we're in "Rightfully and Squarely" on the shoulders of Bush Jr./Cheney is FAR from dead in Colorado!
Of course there's the 47% comment ... were pretty pissed about that too ... it's not likely to die before the election either.
O and Joe! Four mOre Years!
One of the facts that drives libs crazy is that the highest unemployment rate under 8 years of Bush administration is lower than the lowest unemployment rate during 3 ½ years under Obama.
But they just keep bleating, "it was Bush's fault!" again and again. Pathetic!
Yeah, because BUSH tanked the economy and shagged @$$ to Texas. Where the Neo Con's are hiding him lest he blows the election for them ... oh ... Too LATE!
Romney - Ryan 100% for the 1%
O and Joe !00% for AmeriCANs!
No stuped - Bush did not tank the economy! During most of the Bush years, unemployment was in steady decline, averaging 5%. When the Democrats took over Congress in 2006, the decline was first halted and then reversed. After Obama's failed "stimulus", unemployment rose even more, and stayed above 8% for the last 43 months (BTW, that is longer than under any other administration since the Bureau of Labor Statistics started measuring the monthly jobless rate).
There is no reason to believe that Obama is capable of making that any better. To us personally, that means that, if Obama is reelected and we are looking for a job or worried about losing our job, our prospects will be very dim.
Romney has grown companies that were on the brink of failure to create hundreds of thousands of new US jobs. As head of the Executive Branch he will be able to guide the economy toward that same kind of recovery.
Actually, Kannin,
Romney and Bain destroyed more jobs than he ever created. Bain targeted weak companies, bribed their boards of directors to enlist their support for Bain's takeover of the companies' management, got cheap loans from banks too big to fail to buy the companies, which burdened the companies with debt, then bled the companies of its capital by exacting exorbitant management fees, then fired thousands of workers to balance the books, and then either outsourced the companies, sold them off, or abandoned them in bankruptcy. You and certain economists might applaud this sort of capital enterprise; many people, like me, call it by its proper name--vulture capitalism.
And, how, pray tell, will Romney's election make things better? Oh, yeah, the solution for dimbulb Republicans is always the same--throw more money at the "job creators," even the ones who traitorously sent American jobs overseas to exploit cheaper labor markets no matter what the impact would be on the American economy. Have you noticed, Kannin, how "trickle down" has really proven to be "trickle up?" You've already disregarded an earlier comment of mine showing how the rich have gotten richer at the expense of the middle class. What Romney offers is a return to neoliberalism, which is how we got into the economic mess we're in now.
There's absolutely no reason to believe that a return to neoliberalism will not exacerbate the economic problems it created.
The American Right and the Taliban. So much alike it is not funny.
Gee, the liberals and the freeloaders - so much alike it is funny.
Actually it's really funny when you keep posting that.
You know how people smile at a mentally challenged person when he builds a little house out of toy blocks. It's like that when you post things prog.1.
You cannot dispute the facts think about how much better this country would be if the rest of us did not have either one of these groups to contend with. Maybe we would have a better chance at peace for awhile.
prog....that isn't a fact. It is your opinion. Unfortunately for the US, our president seems to have the same desire to look weak as well and it prevents us from having peace and leads to violence.
PUT Did we get enough facts out earlier for you to be able to stop defending Bush for "his war with Iraq"?
Bush looked strong and that is why the trade center was attacked right?
SOME SEE THROUGH THE SMOKE.........
Former U.S. Rep. Artur Davis ripped President Barack Obama in a new statement released today by the Mitt Romney campaign, saying that Obama's "best efforts have not worked."
Davis, a former Birmingham Democrat and Obama supporter, was responding to comments made by Obama in an interview Thursday.
The president said in an appearance on Univision, a Spanish-language broadcaster, that "you can't change Washington from the inside."
Davis said the comment indicated that Obama's promises of 'hope and change' rang hollow.
“I can’t remember the last time a presidency surrendered all of its promise as well as its promises so completely," Davis said. "A pledge to cut spending has turned into trillion dollar deficits, a pledge to retire the negative spin masters has turned into the most slashing negative campaign in the modern era, and ‘hope and change’ has given way to a sad song about how little power presidents have and to a confession that change is just too hard. Americans searching for a choice this November just got their latest confirmation that Barack Obama’s best efforts just haven’t worked. One more reason to give Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan a chance to undo the failed potential and the broken promises.”
(p.s.- before you clueless libs label Artur as a "racist".....please note, he is black...)
I've always said that some Dems are smart and merely misguided. Sounds like he's one of the misguided souls that the Dems have fooled into thinking that this is still the Democratic party of 40 years ago.
Hope, you should note that the SOB is a turn-coat party changing Neo-Cdon sell out.
Yeah Tim? Some just sell out to and become 1% drones.
O and Joe! Four mOre Years!
Why can the American right not see how much like the Taliban they are.
smile. He's special.
I pretty sure Joe Biden went to a ho-down to prepare for the debate. Seriously people ask yourself the question:
Its 3:00 am and something has just happened to the president. Who do you want answering that phone Biden or Ryan? Be honest and then vote your instincts.
Romney/Ryan 2012 Anything else means America's demise.
My God - Larry - Hadn't thought of that. Just think if it was Lie'n Ryan?
O and JOE BIDEN! The Vice President we can trust to take over and lead us out of the Bush Jr. Recession.
Just cannot bring yourself from the past Bush excuse and face the reality that Big O has struck out. Remember denial is not a river in Egypt.
And you know if Biden took over it would be pure slapstick comedy in the Oval Office. I am sure this is how the Democrats have protected Obama by keeping Biden as the vice-president.
lol Larry .... thats just sad .... how fast did ryan run that marathon again ? ... he lies ... go ahead ... put your vote on mitt-da-twit and lyan ryan ... you close your eyes to the truth ... you are them .... he threw your grandparents under the bus - told veterans they were bums the coward biking and laying on the beach in florida - love-struck pussy (puppy) ...insulted the struggle of the hardworking middle class ... go online and look up the lies mitt told (533 in 3 months) ,,, documented lies ... lies mean nothing ... its part of the game right ? how can u not see that ????? its beyond me ... lmfao ... too funny .... not everyone denies and closes their eyes to the lies and 47% crap ... and those peeps gonna vote for truth, honesty and the american way ... Biden gonna kick the little weasels azz ....
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Forward! The Political Slogan Obama uses that his Communists and Marxist Comrades uses throughout the world:
Forward! is also a common phrase within Communist propaganda music. Avante "Forward", Communists, stand up, forward!, Forward to meet the sunrise!, Forward against the Enemy, Forward friends, Forward Red Fleet Czech, Forward Red Marines, Glory to the looking forward, Go Forward Don't Fall, Time Forward...are just a few, as this Communist website will attest.
Democrat Socialist Perspective: Socialism- The Way Forward
Communist China: The Great Leap Forward
UK Socialist Party: The Way Forward for Anti-Capitalism
Marxists.org: Can We Go Forward If We Fear to Advance Towards Socialism?
South African Communist Party: Forward to Socialism!
India: Forward Communist Party
Socialistworker.org: Discussing the way forward for Occupy
Marxists.org: Forward to Socialist Revolution
Obama wants us to go FORWARD to back to the days of the USSR
Hope ... LOL ... you really are desperate!
Obama - Biden Leadership to lead us out of the Bush Recession!
Lyin' Ryan has no foreign intelligence experience from Congress. No sophisication. No common sense and logic for the common middle class.
And, no maturity...!
The nickname of "Lyin' Ryan" will stick with him... forever! For good reasons. No doubt!
BTW: Joe Biden will win the debate! Real America also wins.
So you would probably agree that that Dumb ass Biden will stick with him.
Ryan against Biden is going to be a joy to watch.
Your posts are a joy to read:)
CubsFan, actually I think just the opposite. I hate to see an intellectual (Ryan) pick on a mentally challenged (Biden) person.
Ryan should show some respect and sympathy for the less competent .
Gem, your company is a joy to share. :) (As long as it's only you and I sharing it. Lol!)
Larry, I have to agree that it's a bit unfair. It's kind of the guilty pleasure you get when you watch a team like the Yankees take on someone like the KC Royals. There's just something morbidly satisfying in a shellacking of that level.
Ontor, I'm thinking I know you. If you're who I think you are and not who I thought you were, I'll be quite relieved. :)
Hint , don't call me love
No bean spilling
Lol. Got it. Nice to see you. Now I feel bad for not like-clicking all your posts last night. I only did one or two because of some other considerations that ran through my head.
Same here Cubs
Thanks
Its nice to see both of you.
No kidding did you see their acceptance speeches? Ryan is so out classed it's going to be pathetic.
Joe Biden - 2012 - A man we can TRUST to back up President Obama! Four mOre Years!
“Vice President Joe Biden served over 30 years in the United States Senate, he has run for president twice and has severed as vice president for the past four years. He is one of the most experienced debaters in American political life and we definitely don’t take the challenge lightly,” an adviser said.
Nothing says bringing change to Washington like choosing a 30+ year pol as VP; after your first choice, Sen. Dodd, was found to be too closely linked to Countrywide.
I'm sure we'll see Mr. Biden draw on his wealth of political experience, charming wit, and sparkling smile.
You should know by know that dems never care about corruption......they only care about power.
Biden smiles because he is goofy and does not know better. That is why he smiles at funerals and what should be somber occasions.
America First ... I damn near choked when I read that. LoL, EVERYBODY knows it's the Neo-Cons that wrote the book on corruption!
O and Joe 2012 - Honest leadership to lead us out of the Bush Jr. recession.
I think that it is scary that some state already allow voting......before the debates. That seems very counterproductive if we are trying to elect the best candidate.
I think it is scary to see how much like the Taliban the American Right is so we both are scared.
Romney is still more competent now and will still be after the debates PutAmericaFirst .
Romney can only appear competent to someone who is not competent.
Yeah, On and first, Romney is the man we need ...
... to run America out of business and sell it for scrap.
Myth Romney 100% for the 1%
O and Joe 2012; 100% for Americans1
I can see now how the VP debates will go:
Ryan will say something like, “In this generation, a defining responsibility of government is to steer our nation clear of a debt crisis while there is still time.”
Biden will say something like, “Yeah, well you're nothing but a poopy-head!”
The media will then say something like, “Biden simply destroyed Ryan with his superior intelligence and logic!”
Thanks Kannin
LOL! That one will have a star before the night's over.
Kan, On, Cub ... why don't you three girls just get a room.
Stupid-aso,
No, no, no. That's the next item on the schedule for me and Gem. No one else is invited to that party.
Well ... you ladies have fun!
Kannin,
Don't you find it funny that, during the Bush years, Republicans were unconcerned about our national debt spiraling out of control? Only when a Democrat is in the White House has our national debt become catastrophic.
Keep plugging along with your distorted rhetoric. I'll give you the credit you're due--you're much smarter than mmac.
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It is just going to get uglier and uglier from here on out !
Conservative Rebellion
BTW, anyone got a coherent answer as to how Biden became a multi-millionaire on a public servant's salary? He didn't marry money.
Rayan worked part time as a waiter and busboy while working as a senat aid before "earning his millions as a senator. Now worth several hundred million. I know, he earned it.
He also took social security benefits so that makes him a hypocrit right?
....... and that's exactly what lyan ryan will be after the election .... waiter and busboy ..... he lied himself out of office .... people aren't stupid enough to believe the lies ... well, as the posts show .. there are a few ... but an exception ... seniors boo'd, called him liar and walked out on him, in front of his poor mother ... listen to your Elders ....
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 ....
Stay out of my state, you lyin, no good for nuthin P.O.S.!!! We do not want, nor do we need to hear your bull shat!!! And keep that disgusting Rummey out also!!! You two are the worst of the worst! STAY OUT OF IOWA!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 OUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON IT!!!
Damn Spencer Have you been into the firewater tonight?
Must be a slow night down at the Half-Way
house. The libs on here tonight are even dumber than most nights. (And that's
saying something).
Better than saying nothing trouble46545 .
If you think they're in a lousy state of mind now, just wait till November. It'll be worse than in 2004 when there were people getting psychiatric counseling because of the election results.
The CONServatives are comforting each other with the thought that somehow Mitt the Twit and Lyin' Ryan are going to make chicken salad out of what they are.
Romney should win by a landslide, BUT, too many Obama Zombies out there.
Romney and Ryan = Dumb and Dumber. Sorry CONServatives, your boys are losers.
Obama Zombies?? All you Neo-Con's "know" and "post" is what Lush Rimbaww tells you. Who are the Zombies? NEO CON ... CON's
Lyin' Ryan is going to camp! Wonder if he'll weave baskets and sleep under the stars. What else is he going to do? Three days isn't long enough to teach him how to tell the truth.
Obama is the liar-in-chief.
Germ: You must be a foxer. No wonder you are buying and regurging all the wing nut lying points they are dishing out over there.
Laker, it's interesting that you assume anyone who presents a cogent argument from the Right must have been spoonfed it by a media outlet. I find the opposite tends to be true far more often. You Liberals wouldn't know what to do if you didn't have NBC, CNN, and the rest of the crew out there telling you what to say and what to believe.
And do you know the difference? We may say the same things Fox says at times, but we can back it up and engage with the materials rationally. You Libs get lost in a swamp of despair as soon as you get pulled off your script. You don't know how to actually defend your position, you only know how to repeat it.
Cub ... don't dignify your neo-con lush rimbaww daily pabulum ...
... that's all you know.
NBC is a Democrat Party auxiliary. They should move to Chicago.
Gem,
No, they should move to California and take Obama, Axelrod, Emanuel, and the rest of the boys with them. YOU'RE the one who should move to Chicago. ;)
I stand corrected Cubs:)
I know the perfect place for you to stay when you make the move. ;)
I think even Barack Obama could beat Joe Biden in a debate.
Yeah it's fortunate the Dem's have the number 1 and 2 debaters in this race. Too bad you're guys don't even come in, in the top 100.
Tongue Tied Willard and Lie'n ryan ... they're going to loose!
Yes Ryan who's mentor is Ayn Rand a Russian born atheist writer, who thought special needs children were sub-human and should not have society waste one cent or anytime on their wasted existence!
Ayn Rand that believed the rich need to be protected at all cost's!
Ryan who's plan was said to be against the beliefs of the Catholic Church, so how does he justify that?
Wow the so called family values, Christian party sure has changed there values, they no longer believe what Jesus believed, that the rich can't enter heaven, remember eye of the needle? That your are your brothers keeper.
Keep up with the spin, keep repeating the fox news talking points.
O&JOE
I sure do notice not one republican will even argue any point I have made, let alone put up a any argument.
O&JOE
What idiocy. You expect any rational person to believe that Ryan believes everything Rand believes because he enjoys her books? C'mon, grow up. I enjoyed reading Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, but I'm not a spiritualist like he was. I enjoy reading the works of Oscar Wilde, but I'm not a homosexual. I enjoy reading H.G. Wells, but I'm not a socialist. Point made yet?
Also, Christ never said the rich could not enter Heaven. He said it was difficult for them to do so. The eye of the needle verse you reference is misapplied. The eye of the needle referred to the secondary gate into a city that was typically used for foot travelers. It was tall enough for a man to walk through, but it was very difficult for a camel to get squeezed through. Difficult, but not impossible. And being your brother's keeper doesn't involve creating a welfare state. The Bible also states that he who doesn't provide for his own family is worse than an infidel, but you didn't bother quoting that verse.
Educate yourself. The rest of us don't have time to do it for you.
Mitt Romney tells 533 lies in 30 weeks, Steve Benen documents them
August 29, 2012 By Fred Clark 477 Comments
I’ve written about or linked to a great deal here “chronicling Mitt’s mendacity” — to borrow Steven Benen’s phrase.
Mitt Romney says many, many things that are not true. He says this despite being in possession of the correct facts of the matter.
Which is to say that Mitt Romney lies. A lot. He lies more than any other national candidate for office in my lifetime. And I was born before the Nixon administration.
This is documented. Proven. Validated, verified, demonstrated, catalogued and quantified. Mitt Romney lies.
Here are 30 — 30! — of Benen’s weekly “chronicling” posts. These are all backed up and sourced. These are not assertions, interpretations or allegations. These are facts, actual instances.
Over the past 30 weeks, Mitt Romney has told lie after lie after lie: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX, XXX.
Click those links. Read the lists. List after list of lie after lie. Hundreds of them — 533, to be exact, although Benen does not make any claim to providing a comprehensive chronicle.
This is unprecedented. “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers,” Romney’s pollster, Neil Newhouse, said.
This has produced what James Fallows calls the “post-truth” age — a relentlessly dishonest onslaught of brazen falsehoods with which the media and the political system are struggling to cope. What do you do when every article, every “fact-check,” every arbiter denounces a lie and corrects it, but then a politician just keeps repeating it?
It’s remarkable to behold.
One of the weirder aspects of this for me is watching this unfold in the politically conservative culture of my evangelical world. The most partisan evangelical conservatives are also those most likely to rant against “relativism” and to trumpet their status as defenders of “absolute truth.” Those same folks will dismiss this post — and all 30 of Benen’s posts above — as mere partisan attacks without ever bothering to examine the 533 factual instances of Mitt’s mendacity, chronicled.
That’s the only cognitive defense they have, I guess. Jam fingers in ears and shout la-la-la-you’re-being-partisan!
Because, you see, the fact that Mitt Romney said something he knew to be false is a partisan fact. And the fact that he has done this at least 533 times in the past 30 weeks is also partisan.
I suppose the other approach for Romney defenders who cannot bear to face the fact of those 533 facts will be to angrily pore over all of Benen’s lists, reading each one with a lawyerly eye.
Have at it. Please. Cherry-pick. Spin. Split hairs. Hand-wave away whichever lies you wish as mere misdemeanors and not full-fledged felonies against honesty.
But how many of those charges do you think you can get dismissed? 10 percent? 20 percent? Maybe, if you’re that sort of person and you work really hard at it — if you’re willing to get even more pedantic and semantic and technical than even you are usually comfortable with — maybe you could half convince yourself that 50 percent of those lies somehow shouldn’t really count against Romney.
That still leaves more than 260 lies. That still leaves Mitt Romney as a convicted liar, 260 times over. And at that point you’ll have to join your friends with their fingers in their ears.
But you’ll still know.
Because everyone knows. Mitt Romney lies. A lot. That is what he does. That is who he is. And friend or foe, he does not care if you know it.
Romney has done alot of debating so he should blow Pres. Obama away. Pres. has been to busy trying to do things for the country and has had a chance to practice.
President Obama has been busy meeting leaders of networks, circles of influence around coffee tables, the Chicago campaign crew.
Prog,
Obama clearly won each of the debates he had with McCain. By contrast, Romney was at best lackluster in the Republican primary debates. Let's not forget the number of times Romney has put his foot in his mouth, whether betting $10,000 on a small wager during the primary debates, by saying that he "likes firing people" during the primaries, criticizing the security at the London Olympics, being "inelegant" in his pandering to some of his wealthy donors, and lying not once but twice about Obama apologizing to Muslims after the embassy was attacked, which only served to imperil American lives. At bottom, the biggest problem for Romney is his lack of leadership, which never excited Republicans because he's a wooden, unprincipled phony who will say anything he feels he needs to say to appeal to whatever group he happens to be in front of.
Does anyone really think this unprincipled flip-flopper, who makes Kerry look like a rank amateur in his double-talk, will be able to defend his daily vacillations against a skilled debater like Obama? I'm afraid Mr. Romney is just an empty suit, a phony, an elitist who will put his foot in his mouth again. . .and again. That's who Romney really is--a wannabe leader who's actually a major league bumbler.
This guy spouts all these lies because he thinks we're all a bunch of morons. If he had any respect for the voter, he'd limit the content of his speeches to the truth. Do you really want this liar a step away from the office of the President of the United States of America? I'd rather elect the pizza guy.
You already did Moron, you elected the community organizer which is learning how to get around the community and then you can start delivering pizza's....
If you are going to call me a moron, at least try to compose a post that makes sense.
So you expect me to elect a bunch of liars because they aren't community organizers? HAHAHA!
We already have a liar in the oval office. SO come on now stop picking on everybody else and justify the apologizer in chiefs actions!!!!!
If Romney wins, we all get better jobs and raises immediately, EXCEPT the dumb people who wouldn't vote for him. If Romney loses, we all die.
Don't you sheeple get it?
bucket.... If Twit wins!! LOL... now that's funny!
Oh boy, oh boy! Little Paul is heading off to camp, we're so proud, he just learned how to tie his shoes. I sure hope the kids don't pick on him too much and he eats his vegetables.
Listen up, if you don't know how to debate to earn your job by this point, you weren't ready in the first place.
Jason, your post is beyond ridiculous. Biden is going to be prepping for the debates as well, as will Obama. I should copy your second paragraph to give back to you when NBC posts articles on Obama and Biden debate training.
You're a Cubs fan. That says enough.
That addresses what I said . . . . how?
That you are naive and root for losers just like Romney and Ryan.
This really is the best you can do, isn't it, Jason? Poor fella....
How od are you Jason??? Twelve??? Grow up!!!
There isn't enough time or study materials extant to turn CramponBoy into anything that can compete on a even keel with Biden, in my sometimes-flawed opinion.
BOY WONDER DOES NOT CARE WHAT you THINK he has super vouchers that will transform you into multi millionaires if you vote GOP!SEE YOU AT THE POLES!
I just can't believe all the crap coming from you liberals tonight. When are you going to wake up and realize Obama is a liar and if you vote him in for another 4 years you might as well start praying to allah now. Romney/Ryan 2012.
Correct, right, dead-on, accurate, whatever-else-you-wanna-call-it. Well said.
Marie, WHEN are you going to wake up and realize that it's Romney Lying ... well as best he can ... and has NO policy. The only thing he's said for sure is that he will lower Taxes on his 1% cronies. Anything else he's been asked he's about he's done a two step shuffle ..." I'll have to wait until AFTER the election to show you how that will work out"!
Do you really think America will elect a Waffle'r like that ... not NO ... but HE!! NO!!!!!!!!!
O and Joe Four mOre!
stupedaso I have been reading your posts and laughing, thank you. When are all you liberals going to stop blaming Bush for Obama's mistakes. He has just about quadrupled (is that a word you can understand) the national debt. Unemployment is up. He apologizes for America to every muslim leader. I could go on but it might be too much for your brain to handle. Romney/Ryan 2012.
StupidAso,
When are YOU going to wake up? Obama's lied to you for his entire presidency. He said he'd eliminate the capital gains tax for small businesses. Lie. He said he'd keep unemployment below 8%. Lie. He said he'd half the deficit. Lie. He said he'd post all bills online for five days before signing them. Lie. He said he'd eliminate no-bid contracts. Lie. He said he never voted against the Illinois infanticide bill. Lie. He said he didn't know about the Lockerbie bomber release. Lie. He said he was committed to coal energy. Lie. He said his individual mandate was not a tax. Lie. Need I go on???
And as for your "two-step shuffle" bit, have you forgotten Nancy Pelosi telling us that we had to pass the bill to find out what was in it? Apparently so! You Liberals have a remarkably short memory recall span, it seems.
Stuped - You say Romney has no policy??? What is wrong with you? Romney's detailed policy statements have been posted on line for several months now. Can't you read?
Sheez, he even wrote a BOOK on his policies. No Apology by Mitt Romney. Check it out, Stupidaso. The only books we've gotten from Obama have been his childhood fantasizings disguised as factual autobiographies.
Marie, reading your Lush Rimbaww daily line it exactly what I expect form Neo-Con Pabulum feed "drones'. I don't know where else you get your Faux, if it's not from Lush.
And Kan, Yes Robme has a lot of Policy Statements but every time someone tries to pin him down to HOW he's going to pull them off? His answer is always some variation of "wait until AFTER the election!
O and Joe 2012! Leadership we and believe in to lead us out of the Bush Jr. Recession.
Great posts Marie91 and Kannin. Cubs- bon soir. Je t'aime toujour.
Bon soir. Vous etes l'amour de mon vie.
Can't remember how to say "See you Monday." Lol. ♥
You've got 2 response msg's from me, btw. :)
Just use the French preposition "à" So à demain means "see you tomorrow" and à Lundi means "see you Monday"
Also, if you truly care for her, you should use the tu rather than the vous form: Tu est rather than vous etes
I didn't know you spoke French, Kannin! Merci.
pas de quoi CubsFan. French, Japanese and a little English.
Il faut que vous trois parlez allemagne, comme vous etes des nazis.
See you in 38 days.
ha...we won't see you anywhere. I can't find a "Republican" or a "Romney Supporter" anywhere NOW!
.... MORE ROMNEY LIES .... looks good on the great mormon faith !!!!
Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity, Vol. XXIV By Steve Benen - Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:07 PM EDT. 13
Getty Images Romney has had it up to here with people asking him to be more honest with voters. The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll that came out this week included an interesting, open-ended question: "What is the first thing that comes to mind when you think about Mitt Romney as president?" Poll respondents weren't offered any choices; they could offer any response they wanted. The results weren't especially surprising -- the most common answer noted Romney being very wealthy. There were also plenty of folks who mentioned Romney's conservatism, his Mormon faith, his controversial positions on women's rights, etc. Down towards the bottom of the list, however, was one that jumped out me: "Dishonest." For at least some respondents -- not a lot, but some -- the first thing that came to mind when thinking about Romney was the candidate's willingness to say things that aren't true.
It's good to know I'm not the only one who's noticed. In fact, the public response should probably be far more common given how quickly the Republican's record of falsehoods is growing. Consider, for example, the 24th installment of my weekly series, chronicling Mitt's mendacity.
1. Following the Supreme Court's ruling on Arizona's anti-immigrant law, Romney said "we are still waiting" for President Obama "to present an immigration plan." No, actually, we're not. Obama endorsed a comprehensive reform plan years ago, and presented his own detailed plan more than a year ago.
2. At a campaign event in Salem, Virginia, Romney said Obama had "all the support he needed" in Congress to pass immigration legislation during his first two years in office. That's plainly false. There were Democratic majorities in both chambers, but not enough to overcome Republican filibusters.
3. At the same event, Romney said Obama "did not deal with immigration" policy. Sure he did. Obama introduced a comprehensive immigration reform proposal; he increased deportations; he strengthened border security; and he used his prosecutorial discretion to implement the goals of the DREAM Act. Romney may not approve of these policies, but he should deny their existence.
4. Romney also argued that Obama "promised" to keep unemployment "below 8 percent" through the Recovery Act.
5. Romney went on to accuse Obama of "raising taxes on small businesses." In reality, Obama cut taxes on small business, many times, and Romney should probably understand that "cutting taxes" is the opposite of "raising taxes."
6. Romney said an "avalanche of new regulations" under Obama is standing in the way of "good jobs." Actually, Obama approved fewer regulations in his first three years in office than Bush did in his first three years.
7. Romney also said Obama "says no to developing our oil resources." Oil production is up under Obama.
8. Romney added, "Guess how many [trade] agreements this president has negotiated? Zero. No new agreements to open up markets for American goods." Panama, Colombia, and South Korea know better.
9. Romney went on to say Obama "has put together almost as much public debt as all the prior president's combined." That's a lie.
10. Romney vowed, "I will get us to on track to a balanced budget." There's overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Romney says his plan "can't be scored," but independent budget analysts have found his agenda would make the deficit bigger, not smaller, and add trillions to the national debt.
11. Romney shared an odd anecdote: "I was with a woman in Las Vegas, she has a business. She rents furniture to casinos and to conventioneers that come to Las Vegas... When the president said not to bother coming to Las Vegas to go to a company meeting, her business collapsed." Obama actually said, in reference to Wall Street recklessness, "You are not going to be able to give out these big bonuses until you pay taxpayers back. You can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility." To blame the failure of some random business in Nevada on this is ridiculous.
12. Romney added, "The president's put on us on path to Europe. Europe doesn't work in Europe. It'll never work here." The irony is, Europe is trying to grow through austerity, just as Romney intends to do here. He's lying in a self-refuting sort of way.
13. At a campaign event in Sterling, Virginia, Romney said under the Affordable Care Act, "government bureaucrats get between us and our doctors." In reality, this does not resemble the law in any way. (Perhaps Romney is thinking of Bob "Ultrasound" McDonnell?)
14. At the same event, Romney said, "The president cut $500 billion out of Medicare." Romney says this a lot. He's not telling the truth.
15. In the same speech, Romney said under Obama, "wages have dropped by 10 percent." That only makes sense if we count Obama's first year in office, which relies on a standard Romney believes is fundamentally unfair.
16. Romney also argued that Obama's "cap-and-trade proposal ... scared away jobs." First, cap-and-trade was a Republican idea. Second, it didn't pass, so it couldn't have affected the job market.
17. In response to the Supreme Court's ruling on the Affordable Care Act, Romney argued, "Obamacare adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt." That's demonstrably ridiculous. The health care law, according the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office and every independent analysis, cuts the deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars in the coming decade.
18. In the same remarks, Romney said, "Obamacare also means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep." Jamelle Bouie took a look at this and concluded, "Romney is simply lying."
19. He added he intends to "make sure that those people who have pre-existing conditions know that they will be able to be insured and they will not lose their insurance." At a minimum, that's wildly misleading. Under Romney's approach, millions of people with pre-existing conditions would be denied coverage -- and occasionally his campaign even admits it.
20. Romney went on to say, "Obamacare does not ... help lower the cost of health care." Sure it does. It's already cutting costs, and it hasn't been fully implemented yet.
21. And in a campaign statement last night, Romney claimed, "With Obamacare fully installed, government will reach fully half of the economy." There is no version reality in which this is true.
Previous editions of Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity: Vol. I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII,XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII