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The polls aren't skewed. Mitt is!
Obama 2012/Romney 1040
Actually, me thnks mit is screwed.
LOL!
Right along with the right wing nuts who support him!
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch!
What does one expect from the party of total denial. The Tea. No. P.
There's no climate change.
Deficits don't matter (when we're in charge).
We're number one!
To quote Samuel L. Jackson, "Wake the f*ck up!"
Everytime the right wing nut jobs are losing it's skewed polls. If they're ahead, it's the American people speaking. LOL! No, this time the polls are right. Mitt Romney is a bad choice. They have to learn to live with it.
According to all the 'liberal media' stations that carry Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingrahm, Levine,Suckabee and the rest- yes, the polls are skewed.
But only in the last couple of weeks, you understand.
The polls do look skewed. One, there are more Democrats than Republicans. Two, Teabags, ext. are very vocal in public.
4 more 4 44
Apparently Ann fears for Mitt's sanity.
"I think my biggest concern obviously would just be for his mental well-being," she said. "I have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy. ... So for me I think it would just be the emotional part of it." ... Ann Romney
news.yahoo.com/ann-romney-biggest-fear-mitts-mental-well-being-000852783.html
Vote! Vote! Vote!
Check out this video
http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/now/yahoo-exclusive-see-samuel-l-jackson-pro-obama-120110618.html
Where's Fairfax Bill? He's an expert on skewed polls and the vast media conspiracy to oversample Democrats, including that infamous liberally biased network, Fox News.
Exito - One, there are more Democrats than Republicans.
I have always wondered what the % of Dems vs Rep vs Ind... just wondered if you knew of a source that gives it by the numbers?
When Kerry was losing in 2004, and when the polls indicated that the Democrats would lose control of the House in 2010, I don't remember many Democrats accusing the pollsters of skewing their polls in favor of the Republicans. It's only a conspiracy when the Republicans are losing. Romney's decline in the polls just couldn't have ANYTHING to do with Clint Eastwood yelling at an empty chair in prime time at the Republican convention, or with Mitt claiming that 47% of Americans are parasites.
BTW: Mitt probably insulted more than 47% of the public. A lot of people not currently getting government assistance have received it in the past during bad times before they got back on their feet and didn't need unemployment or welfare anymore. When you add those people to the 47%, it could well be well over 50% who've been "takers" rather than "makers" at some point in their lives. Mitt's own father was on welfare when he was a kid. I guess George Romney was a moocher, too, before he became an executive for an auto company.
Mitt's Ostrich Poll is skewed, showing himself with 98% support.
But Mitt will be skewered in this election -
........because he only had about 40% support, the other 60% not supporting him (with those 47% not supporting him due to his dumb statement).
Even Ryan was a moocher (still is) since he was educated at taxpayer expense because of the death of his father.
Yup, those social security benefits came in mighty handy for him and his Mom.
I love the way the liberals are hinging their bets on winning when most of the swing states are all within the margin of error. Forget New Hampshire... Obama is king of the world there... they can have him.
The liberals already have Obama inaugurated in a second term... They sure will be surprised if Romney wins.
I guess too close to call is beyond reason for most liberals that are trying to force their opinion that they think Obama will win. Nobody ever said liberals were reasonable.
The right wing lunatic fringe views the polls as skewed because they themselves look at the world in a wildly unrealistic manner. The fact is the American people are turning their backs on the GOP and its failed political ideology and the Republican Party's unquestioning followers are refusing to accept the reality of the situation. In their imaginary world, all Americans are stupid and only they, the insanely conservative inhabitants of Teabaggistan, understand the truth. Well, their day of reckoning is approaching and November's election will bring their house of cards crashing down upon their tin-foil covered heads as President Obama is reelected by a landslide.
Teabaggers deserve the candidate they have because their hateful, ignorant, and narrow-minded agendas cannot attract a potential political savior better than Romney. Read 'em and weep:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
sirie
The pollsters ask what party a person prefers, but not whether they are registered Democrats or Republicans. Only 28 states even put party preference on their voter registration forms. I'm in Texas, which is one of the states where they don't. Here's a breakdown for those 28 states from 2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states
It's interesting that 41% of Florida voters were registered as Democrats, which is 2 points more than the 39% Democrats that was reported by one of the recent Florida presidential polls that Repubs were complaining was oversampling Democrats. And 2010 was the year that the Democrats got a nation-wide "shellacking" and lost big time in Florida.
As pollsters have pointed out repeatedly, party identification is fluid. As Pew Research Center noted in one article I posted a link to this week, party identification is fluid. It goes up and down in presidential election years depending in large part on the popularity of the party's candidate.
In an interview Thursday with television station KTVN, Mrs. Romney was asked what her biggest worry was should Mitt Romney be elected to serve in the White House.
"I think my biggest concern obviously would just be for his mental well-being," she said. "I have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy. ... So for me I think it would just be the emotional part of it."
Yup, Willard is Skrewed. Wonder who is sleeping on the couch tonight, Willard or Queen Ann?
Willard's mental stability has been a concern for quite some time:
''I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love.'' —Mitt Romney (January 2012)
Mitt, as quoted by Sailcat:
And who could argue with that patriotic sentiment, other than a secret Muslim anti-colonial Kenyan who wants to give everyone free stuff so they vote for him?
The Romney/Ryan/GOP WAR ON FACT has come to a head.
If you don't like a fact, hey - just say it is 'corrupt".
c/o The most dishonest GOP candidates in our life times!
sirie: You got me. I think it is just a gut feeling growing up in an urban/suburban neighborhood.
4 more 4 44
And the dependent people really believe Obama is giving them free stuff. The lady in Cleveland that actually believes Obama gives her and other dependents free cell phones. She's basing her vote strictly on what she gets from Obama... It is true that the entitled will vote for the party that feels they will get the most out of... Welfare recipients that don't have to work, take drug tests and can lie around all day on their duffs waiting for the next government hand out. They believe Obama is their savior... how could they not vote for him?
The people that take and never worry about who pays may end up being the deciding factor in this election. How proud the democrats will be to claim an Obama victory if that is the case. It's no longer a matter of principle... it's a matter of who can steal the most votes. Don't give me the voter ID thing either... there's no justification for citizens not having a form of ID.
The Caliphate is coming, the Caliphate is coming! Buy gold, store food and head for the hills! Would Brother Glen Beck steer you wrong?
Really, you should ask Brian to describe to you how he is stockpiling supplies, including salt (currency), ammo, and wet wipes to prepare for the coming apocalypse that is coming in, oh, a year or two at most. It's a fascinating exercise in paranoid hallucinatory foolishness...much like his posts on this site, now that I think about it.
Agree with Houston at #1.16. At my previous workplace, one anti-Obama guy got all his college tuition paid for by the government. He said that he got married, thus was able to declare himself poor and got all the federal aid he needed. Another anti-Obama guy took money from the cash for clunkers program. Bunch of hypocrites! Both these people work for the federal government too! I don't know if these people are counted in the 47% but no matter what, they'll vote for Romney because of their hatred for our President.
And you guys got that from this ..... "I have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy. ... So for me I think it would just be the emotional part of it." ... Ann Romney
Yea, there is no stress to being president.
Blow off 60% of your intelligence briefings ... an Ambassador, a diplomat and 2 SEALs get killed in an assault on America.... it's no biggie, just "a bump in the road" right?
Embassies being attacked ... Syria killing tens of thousands ... Iran getting the bomb .... I wonder how the girls on the View are doing?
Millions of Americans suffering in the worst economy since the Great Depression .... not Obama's responsibility - it's Bush's fault, it's ATM's, it's tsnaumis ... it's ....
What is there to stress over when you can deflect all responsibility with asinine excuses .... even after all these years when you can blame a TERRORIST ATTACK on a silly video to cover your cluelessness and ineptitude?
The fools will be fooled - what is there to worry about.
Thanks guys for providing the examples.
And thanks Ann, for reminding some, that maybe there are still people that have a conscious, accept responsibility and worry about welfare of this nation ... people that take the responsibility of being president seriously .... that some people realize being president is more than a community organizer's job and campaigning.
Said very well Bob! The liberals skulk around tossing bombs at Romney but totally ignore the way Obama handles this countries affairs. Obama's thoughtful not to react to the killing of our ambassador. He is the mature one... At least that's the liberals excuse. Forget the fact that he lied to the American public about not knowing it was an attack within 24 hours of the event... blame it on a cartoon. It wasn't Obama that got killed so what's to worry, eh?
Fast and Furious? What's that? Let's blame Bush... In fact, let's blame everything that's gone wrong in this administration on everyone else... Obama is blameless... When will that end? When he's kicked out of office... that's when!
Bob-180 (that's all the numbers I need)
And Mitt's qualifications for actually doing something are exactly what????? We know he "harvests" companies and basks in the glory of the almighty dollar to provide for Ann. We know that he accepted government monies to assist the SLOC. We know that the people of Massachusetts have NOTHING kind to say about him and he is losing that state in the polls. So while we empathize with Ann over her husband's failure as a candidate, we (the finger waggled people) don't really care.
Realizing there is something more than being a community organizer??? President Obama was a SENATOR. He was a a PROFESSOR. But you, in your view, only see talking points.
I see a President who has taken up the reigns of a failed economy and has tried to work diligently with a do-NOTHING Congress, and and his supporters see that as well. The Tea Party tried to take this great nation down. President Obama is going to lead us forward ..... AGAIN!
Obama/Biden 2012
Now we All need to go after the rest of the Repbs/teabaggers. Show them all the door. I almost feel sorry for MittWitt, he has been lied and tricked into believing he has a chance...go figure. Hope this is the FINAL breath of the teaparty!!!
Samuel L. Jackson "Wake the F up."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4CsCuMcSPs
spread the word !!!
Dear Liberal Friends, Do not become complacent.
Remember, vote early and vote often!
RWNJs heads exploding in 3,2,1.
I would add, remain vigilant!
We know the propensity the right wingers have to cheat & steal when they're losing!
How true. As Yogi Berra elegantly stated; "it ain't over until it's over!" We still need to vote like the middle class depends on it, because it does. As Feisty said, the other guys will lie, cheat and steal to win.
If the Righties think the polls are skewed now, just wait til they see them after the debate.....
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O&Joe 2012
and of course lie, then repeat the lie, keep repeating the lie!
.....The agony of defeat for the right wingers!
Happy B-Day BCWC!
4 more for 44!
I'm a bit worried that the polls might make Obama overconfident in the debates, but not too much. From what I've read about Obama, it's not in his nature to slack off, even in a basketball game just because he's a few points ahead.
Don't worry, Houston. There is nothing that Mitt Romney can say or do that will damage the President at this point.
Tony, Biden will do enough damage to Obama...
I have a funny feeling something is going to happen to really sway the favor one way or the other, but it is just more of a gut instinct... };~D
Everybody - do your part to get everyone you know to go out and VOTE!
Obama/Biden 2012
tonybeeerm
I've read that Michael Dukakis had a bad cold in the debate that some think cost him the election in 1988 when he answered a hypothetical question about whether he would support the death penalty if his wife was murdered and he just gave an abstract answer about his position. I hope Obama stays away from little kids with runny noses for the next month and gets plenty of sack time. But that's just me being a worry wart.
Remain vigilant ... I second that thought.
Even in today's newspaper, there is a conservative editorial piece dreaming about a last minute miracle - we should turn out and vote and destroy this conservative illusion.
V for Voting
V for Victory
Let's be honest here. Debates really don't decide elections anymore. With the 24/7 coverage that goes on, there's hardly a word that doesn't get tossed out and or used against someone. Mostly, candidates just hold the line and keep repeating the same thing over and over and over, again and again. Which is disappointing in a sense, because I like a good old fashioned debate. But if the Republicans are looking for a game changer there, they're going to come up empty handed. IMO, the election for Obama was saved by the SCOTUS upholding the ACA's mandate. Had that been shot down, we would be looking at a totally different picture right now.
btw, I remember Sam (Mr. Spock) Donaldson asking him that awful question. Hack journalism's finest hour.
yea, when monkey's fly out of your butt.
Biden is our Joe, your Joe, everybody's Joe.
Biden is smart, savvy, well-informed, blue-collar, eveerything you would like to have in an excellent VP.
In contrast, Cheney is pure vice, and a tricky Dick, heartless dick, genocidal dick, and impotent dick.
Yogi Berra had it right:
"Predictions are hard, especially about the future."
4 more 4 44!
Samuel L. Jackson "Wake the F up."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4CsCuMcSPs
spread the word !!!
Sigh. The polls are not that big of a deal. If you go over to NBC's very own politics main page...
Now scroll down, keep going, past all the fun videos, until you get to a nice graph...
Okay. Look at the graph. In the past month, Romney is currently only down about 2 percentage points from his height.
Two.
That's it. That's hardly a landslide shift in perception of Romney. In fact, looking at the whole graph, he's right about where he's been this whole year. He's not loosing ground; he just isn't gaining.
Yet.
Romney/Ryan 2012 - A New Hope
Hey, how about that electoral college thingy?
Earnest, you're right, the electoral college is a problem. Why is it even still around? Sigh. The good news is, since I'm not in a swing state, I get to be ad-free. At least, as far as the race for president.
"Two.
That's it."
OK. So, how many points does it take to loose? Six??
Uh-hummm (clears throat), didn't it give GW Bush the White House in 2000? Bet you weren't singing that tune then, were you?
When you want to unseat an incumbent, even a Muslim, Kenyan colonialist that wants to destroy America and usher in Sharia law, you need to move a bit more than just 2% points, especially after you:
- announce your VP pick
- have your convention
This is not a good sign for Romney. He needs to dominate the next debate or race is over.
Tony, I'm not a republican. I think Kerry should have won...
James, I agree, I don't think it's a GOOD sign for Romney, but it also shows that the 'gotcha' moments haven't had that much of an impact, either. What this shows is that his base is voting reflexively now, in spite of the minor gotcha moments. Now that he has his base behind him, he can provide more details for his campaign -- details that were too moderate to release right after the primaries.
Okay, you're a schizo because you stated in post #3
More name calling I see... a sign of desperation, just like at recess back in 3rd grade!
Tony, I just vote on what I think is the biggest problem we face, and who I think is best able to solve that. I think that both parties have strengths and weaknesses, once you get past the rhetoric and the catch phrases and the caricatures drawn by the opposition. There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I don't assume that half of America is completely wrong. I assume that there is at least one thing that each candidate/party can bring to the table and do better than the other candidate. This time around, I happen to think Romney is better suited for our current needs.
Romney/Ryan 2012 - A New Hope
no, its a title.
ha, that's a good one.
NorCal, while Romney's support numbers may very well be where they always have been, the shrinking pool of undecideds have been breaking Obama's way.
Al, I agree. THAT's the news story that, for some reason, isn't being addressed. Or the story that the gotcha moments aren't affecting Romney supporters. I think it's more sensational (and more biased) to say "Nine states, nine Obama leads". Which doesn't help the "oh, no, there's no liberal bias in the media" argument.
I really don't get the "liberal media" argument. Even if I were to concede the TV media has maybe an overall liberal bias when all the networks are factored in, radio and the print media would seem to swing fairly heavily conservative.
Al, for me, it has to do with the way articles are set up. For example, the "Did (insert name) do (insert something bad)?" title. It leads a reader to a conclusion, before even READING the article, that "Yes! (Insert name) DID do (insert something bad).
So the reader approaches the article, before even reading it, with a bias constructed by the writer. Which makes it more difficult for the reader to come to his/her own conclusions.
It's hard to NOT insert bias into an article, I know that... but I wish that article titles would at least try to be opinion-neutral. The problem is, sensation sells. People want to read about a spectacle. So more and more "news" stories are set up around a framework of sensationalism. And since more media sources are liberal, that bias leaks out more.
Mit is running the worse campaign ever.
He is so "skewered" , he is a no show on the compaign trail until after the first debate next week.
How to run a campaign by Mitt Rombe.
[x] 1) Tie pooch to top of car.
[x] 2) Travel around making an arse out of yourself.
[x] 3) Screw the pooch!
What is more important is the attempt to skew the vote at polling booths. I guess this is the past that the GOP wants to return to.
It's the only way they win!
bcwc - I liked it better when you on the left were touting the "show us your tax returns" crap. The GOP wants no such thing. The Dems are scared. They know there might be a chance the delusional following of Obama is dwindling and they need to keep the status quo and anything that would lessen the winning by their guy should be stomped out. You are using the disenfranchise mantra so that you have an excuse should he lose. (Which I hope he does)
Happy birthday to my very good friend, bcwc! Will be lifting a glass to you in tribute this afternoon.
NorCalModerate: could you please post what you see as Romney's path to victory in the Electoral College? Thanks.
HAPPY Birthday BCWC!
Let's have some mimosa's shall we?
PS: Libra's ROCK!
Talk to the Hand
You are willfully blind. What is happening in Florida? Even worse, what is happening in PA? In PA the GOP legislature keeps changing the requirements needed to vote and now those in power to issue IDs are totally confused. Right to own a gun requires one ID, Right to vote takes two IDs to get an ID.
Thanks Feisty & Newday!
Oh and happy birthday.
thanx Talk
He is so "skewered" , he is a no show on the compaign trail until after the first debate next week.
Hey Northstar-
Staying out of sight is Mitten's best strategy. At least he can't get in trouble.....
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O&Joe 2012
Happy B-Day BCWC!! Your present will arrive on Nov. 6th ;)
Sure, no problem.
This is how Romney wins.
He banks on actions speaking louder than words, for both candidates.
Both candidates have a perceived disconnect between actions and words -- for Romney, the pandering to the far right during the primaries was a different tone than his actual record in Massachusetts. For Obama, his promises going into his first term are in contrast to the accomplishments that fall short on many accounts.
The problem for Obama in this scenario is that his actions speak to an inability to work with this congress, and an inability to follow through on promises such as his promise to tackle immigration reform during his first year. He faces an uphill battle to convince independents that he'll do anything different during a second term.
The benefit for Romney is that he has already secured the votes of the rabid right (just as Obama has already secured the votes of the rabid left). As I said earlier, the inability of the recent "gotcha" moments to alter the votes of the right much at all shows that Republicans are voting reflexively. They will vote for Romney, no matter what. Which is what Romney needed -- he had to take some time to get the base behind him and fired up. He had to be light on the details, because the details are more moderate than his base may like. But now that his base is secure, he can release these details that align more with his actions in Massachusetts. These ideas wouldn't have gone over well with his base right after the primaries.
Based on Romney's actions while governor, he can argue that he will equally represent women in his cabinet. He will work with the other side of the aisle. He will make difficult decisions, choices that may hurt him politically, for the sake of keeping the budget in check.
All of these things will speak to independents such as myself that have seen Obama's failure to bring the two parties together under his leadership. Yes, the republicans can take a good portion of the blame for that, but a good president figures out a way to get his congress to rally behind him. I don't see any hope for this current president/congress pairing.
Here's an example of why I think Obama gets a failing grade for domestic diplomacy. From First Read: "Obama said if he's fortunate enough to win a second term, his re-election will send a message to Republicans that Americans want them to follow his strategies..." So basically, he is saying "my way, or the highway." He's hoping that republicans will get smacked upside the head and suddenly line up behind Obama? I just don't see that happening. Those two are going to punish us while they're busy teaching each other a lesson.
But with Romney, there is hope of domestic diplomacy. He did it in Mass. Actions speak louder than words.
Romney/Ryan 2012 - A New Hope
EarnestJohnson57 -- its the only way that they will win
2010 anybody? quit smoking that stuff, it is killing your SHORT TERM MEMORY!!
;~P
BCWC: "In PA the GOP legislature keeps changing the requirements needed to vote and now those in power to issue IDs are totally confused."
From what I've read, we're on either the ninth or tenth different "final" version of the new requirements - all because of the mad rush to get this law in place for THIS election. When asked to explain his statement that there's a "long history" of voter impersonation fraud in Pennsylvania, our own governor could only come up with one single case from a senate race back in the 1990's. As a liberal, I'm not totally against requiring some form of photo ID in order to vote - as long as it's free, easily available to all who need it, does not discriminate against any individual or group of voters, and as long as the law is carefully thought through, given a test run before being fully implemented, and can be easily explained by all involved. The PA law is totally confusing to those in power for issuing the ID's, to those responsible for checking them at the polls, to the media trying to cover this issue, to the community groups trying to help ensure its fairness, and most of all, to the elderly, disabled, and low income voters who will be most affected by it. So in that sense, at least, it's accomplished its purpose. However, sorry to report to Rep. Mike Turzai that as a means of ensuring victory for Mitt Romney in our state next month, it looks like a - what's the term again? Oh, yeah.....epic fail.
P.S. - Happy Birthday bcwc, from me, my gray cat, my orange tabby, and the white stray I've been feeding. I'll be chipping in with tonybeeerm on that same gift!
NorCal,
"But now that his base is secure, he can release these details that align more with his actions in Massachusetts."
Romney is not that astute of a politician.
His one recent attempt to move to the middle : He said that in MA he made sure all children have health insurance. Yet at the same time he has said that he would repeal ACA as a top priority.
So which is it?
His base wants to know. And I am sure the question will be asked at the debate.
The only base he has secure is the ABO votes.
And many even there are having second thoughts.
Northstar, that is a perfect example of inferring that something will succeed or fail, based on political bias. Romney wants to solve the problem by empowering state governments to make it happen. He wants children to have insurance; but he thinks (and I agree) that a smaller, local state level of government can handle it better than a bigger national organization (especially since states are technically in charge of social issues like that).
The left is going to assume that since current state high-risk pools generally offer poor insurance coverage at high prices -- that since it often doesn't work, it therefore it can't be achieved effectively, which would make Romney's two statements at odds.
The right is going to assume that maybe there is a way to make it work effectively on a state level, and there's a good possibility that Romney knows how to do that since he made it work in Mass, therefore his two statements are in alignment.
So the perception of backtracking on the health coverage thing is based on political bias.
There's an underlying difference between republicans and democrats at work here -- republicans think social issues can and should be addressed on a state level. And democrats think that reform like this can and should be addressed on a national level. The way I look at it, I don't care which government entity is in charge of making it happen -- as long as it happens. Romney, in my opinion, is clarifying that he wants to solve the problem on a different level -- but still solve the problem.
Romney/Ryan 2012 - A New Hope
NorCal,
Obama is the first president since Truman who has gotten a law passed to provide affordable heath care for the uninsured. The law does give states not only federal money but the power to tailor the exchanges and the expansion of Medicaid to cover more folks.
California and MN are on tract in both of these areas. Many other states are stonewalling and dragging their feet. We are all citizens of the US and one should not be penalized because one lives in Florida or Georgia when it comes to finding insurance for yourself or family.
Romney's whole campaign has been based on his Bain business experience. That is blowing up in his face. His timid remarks about his time as governor is too late. He has embraced Paul Ryan and his budget gutting of SS, Medicaid and the ACA.
Northstar,
We are also citizens of California and Florida and Colorado. It's interesting to me to watch the dissolution of the sovereignty of each individual state.
NorCal, the states haven't been sovereign since the Civil War, if even then, and we are not citizens of our states; we are residents. That is an important distinction because we reside in our communities but we are citizens of our country. Your thought processes, such as they are, are scrambled.
Sailcat, you get the point on the technicality. My sentiment is, our states are independent of each other on many levels, and are run very, very differently. Because we have very, very different problems to solve. Even problems that are similar across state lines might have a different solution.
Adding, per wikipedia,
In a federal republic, there is a division of powers between the national ("federal") government, and the government of the individual subdivisions. While each federal republic manages this division of powers differently, national security and defense, monetary policy, and other issues of a "national" scope are handled at the "federal" level while more local issues such as road and infrastructure maintenance and education policy are handled at the local level.
NorCal,
My passport is issued by the United States of America, my drivers licence is issued by the State of Minnesota, my Blue Cross heath insurance card should be good at any hospital or medical need I might have in any state in the union.
All I want is for all citizens is a health insurance card that gives them good access to heath care when they need it.
Late to the party (as usual!) ...
BCWC ... Happiest of days to you! Birthdays are truly days that we can call our own. I hope you enjoy/enjoyed yours to the fullest!
With love, my inner Pollyanna! ;-)
Happy Birthday, BCWC!
thanx
ah, happy bday BCWC - may life shine on you, your day!!
Speaking of polls, did you see this one that indicates that married people are much more likely to support a Republican? I didn't think that marriage would be such an across the board predictor. Interesting.
Nice poll there NorCal. Some of those categories tell a real story of where the loyalties lie......and more than likely why.
Curious NoCal, particularly when you consider that Republicans divorce more.
http://divorce.lovetoknow.com/Divorce_Statistics_Republicans_vs._Democrats
So I guess you could say that statistically, divorced people support Republicans more too.
GOPisextinct, I think we should just throw Nevada out of that study... what happens in Vegas... lol!
More than likely because Republicans marry more. Liberals are narcissistic and need no one else in their lives to make it complete. They are the complete package (at least in their own minds) and think they prove it every morning when they look in the mirror.
thanx
What poll? From Rush or FOX? I heard a poll once about how un-educated people Always vote GOP...Trust me, it was/is out there Some place.LOL
Historically in recent elections the polls have underestimated the GOP turnout. They certainly did so in 2010.
It doesnt have to be a conspiracy, just the liberals in the media reinforcing their own prejudices...
Considering what is being unearthed in Florida in the past few days it would appear that polls of the dead are leaning Romney's way.
He's got the "brain dead" already......lol
Historically in recent elections the polls have underestimated the GOP turnout. They certainly did so in 2010.
Hey Vag-Bob
Sounds like you have a bad case of denial....
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O&Joe 2012
Once again, Bob uses the "tell a lie enough times" line. No, the Republicans were expected to gain congressional seats in 2010. That was a foregone conclusion because it happens often when the opposing party loses the White House in the previous election. But just keep hanging on to that last thread of hope, baggers. It's funny to watch the denial parade go by.
I don't think the polls are skewed. I have run into a lot of people who used to be confirmed Bush-bots, but do not want to return to the uncertain days of 2007-2009. They may not be confirmed Democrats, but they are horrified at the prospect of returning control to the party that destroyed our nation. Obama promised change. Allbiet it is turning out to be slow change, but change nonetheless.
Voters are always reticent to change horses in midstream. Bush was re-elected on the premise that the country's security was best kept in his hands; even though his indolence produced 911. Voters had yet to discover his massive deficits.
From my personal perspective I work for Chrysler. Obama (and to a lesser extent Bush) reluctantly saved Detroit, and the entire midwestern United States.
People forget why Obama is in the White House in the first place. He's there because the republicans had damaged this nation so badly that not even their most capable apologists could excuse it. People wanted change. They felt Obama would deliver it. They forgot about the influence and power of the minority party. Change takes time, but the fact is that 1/2 the country are non Democrats. No matter how you try to "skew" the polls those numbers won't change. You can't do all polls down the nation's middle in repub-Land.
I believe Americans want to see the second half of the show, and I think the republicans don't offer what most of America wants to see now. The republicans are running against the economy that they themselves produced. You can't crap up the economy, and then chide Obama when he does not clean it up fast enough to suit you.
I think Americans can see this.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
and here's to Obama appointing 2-3 more SCOTUS justices
Excellent post. Thank you.
I haven't talked face to face to anyone who admits they are voting for Obama.
Not where I live. Many of the latinos I talk to who voted for Obama last time are staying home (unless I can convince them to vote Romney).
Obama just doesn't do it for them. They cite homosexual marriage, religious freedom, and Obama's lies about immigration reform as the reasons for not voting for Obama.
Everybody I know is voting for President Obama even my half Hispanic son.
It is true I live in a blue Washington state where the people make good friends and care about their neighbors.
I think the smart people are more concerned about what the returning to the bush/Romney/Ryan policies that crashed our economy in the first place will do to our country.
I think smart women know that voting for a republican is voting to make women into second class citizens with the government in charge of her body with no personal rights even to rape and incest.
VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM...VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012
Mitt the twit started showing his colors in England and has not let up since.
The twit has hardly shown himself to be a leader of anyone except the elite who also despise the 47% and are willing to bankroll the buying of this election for the promise of more tax cuts.
Hi Feisty.
Missed ya' lady.
Hey Baby!
Good to see you! ☺
Feisty you missed the "brains counter" before you were birthed too!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BCWC!
Libras do indeed rock. My wife says they're "athletes between da' sheets", and I have no reason to dispute her sanguine judgement. My birthday is tomorrow. :o) Wife says she's going to cook me whatever I want for dinner tonight.
Decisions, decisions.......
I'm thinking herb-roasted pork loin and sweet potatoes......perhaps those beef tenderloins with the red wine sauce and rosemary potatoes.
Happy birthday tomorrow.
Yay, another Lib birthday! Many happy returns of the day, GOPisextinct. Will lift a glass to you tomorrow!
GOPisextinct
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BCWC!
I hope she has a wonderful day
pollpole-vaulting ... just sticking to the subject of this thread :-)Happy B-day 2 U 2
Happy B-day Extinct. My gift to you and everyone else is "My vote for "O".....
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O&Joe 2012
@ GOP.... Have a great B-Day, and many, many more!
@ GOPisextinct
What time shall i come over for those pork loins? -- yummo!
Happy early bday!
GOP,
Happy Birthday .
Your birthday dinner sounds yummy.
BCWC,
Hope you have a birthday feast today too!
Your wife knows her @!$%#! ;o)
Happy Birthday GOPX from one Libra to another!
PS: Go with the beef tenderloins... rare!
A very happy birthday!
An early happy birthday to you, GOPisextinct!
Thanks soooo much for the kind birthday wishes guys.
Wish I could have yo all over here near ol' Motown.
Thanks Feisty and Sailcat!! Here's hoisting a brew 2 U 2.
it should be obvious--FOX NEWS has set out to fix the election for obama---SURE !!!!
If President Obama is ahead and his lead keeps increasing imagine how much of a lead he would have if Bachmann, Pizza Man, or that fool from Texas was the GOP candidate. He'd have been in double digits before the convention and gaining. Romney is a poor choice but that was all the GOP had to offer this year. They need to cut their losses and aim (Huntsman) for 2016. I hope Obama has very long coat tails and that people have sense enough to vote the tea baggers out of office and move the Congress closer toward a cooperative, compromising center.
Poll: Romney’s Support Among Seniors Collapsing
September 24th, 2012 6:37 pm Henry Decker
Of all of the bad polling data that Republicans have seen over the past few weeks, this may be the most troubling.
According to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll, Mitt Romney’s support among voters over the age of 60 has collapsed from a 20-point advantage just over two weeks ago to a lead of just under four points today. Furthermore, Reuters reports that “Romney’s double-digit advantages among older voters on the issues of health care and Medicare… also have evaporated, and Obama has begun to build an advantage in both areas.”
The results mirror a Pew poll released last week, which showed Romney with a minuscule 47 to 46 point lead among voters over the age of 65.
Romney’s dependence on older voters can’t be overemphasized; aside from white males it is the only demographic in which he has consistently out-polled Obama, and seniors make up a consequential part of the electorate in the crucial swing states of Iowa, Pennsylvania, and especially Florida. Given Romney’s dismally low support among Hispanics — a group that is very enthusiastic about voting in the 2012 election, as Jamelle Bouie points out in The American Prospect — Romney needs a strong performance among seniors to have any shot of winning.
“If Romney loses seniors, he loses this election, period,” Jonathan Oberlander, a health policy specialist at the University of North Carolina, told Reuters. “A bad showing nationally (among older voters) does not bode well for Florida and other states with big senior populations.”
Reuters notes that older voters disapprove of Paul Ryan’s controversial plan to convert Medicare into a voucher system by a 2 to 1 ratio. While this may not come as a surprise to those who saw Ryan get booed by the AARP last week for promising to repeal the Affordable Care Act, the drop in senior support suggests that Ryan may actually be a significant drag on the Republican ticket.
If Mitt Romney does go on to lose the support of seniors — and then the election — his decision to pick a man who openly hopes to get rid of “collectivist” programs like Medicare and Social Security will be judged in retrospect as the beginning of the end of his campaign.
you just cant have your vp push his program at AARP! democrats and republicans alike yelling KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OUR MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY!
they just cant accept the realism of the moment.
The current system of polling voters is very skewed. i am not a fan of either party. I will be voting for Gary Johnson. As more and more voters are finding out that they are not stuck selecting "the lesser of two evils", and that there are other options, Governor Johnson's numbers are going up. The automated phone system used by Rasmussen and others only includes the two party choices. If you try to use another option your response is counted as "undecided".
Americans are not stuck with deciding between an empty suit and a dismal failure. Voters do have other options. In the words of Lewis Black, "The Democrats is the party of NO ideas and the Republicans is the party of BAD ideas." This two party system is what is wrong with this country. We need fresh ideas. At one time the Republican party was a third party. The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting THIS TIME something will be different.
I have worked directly with Gary Johnson, and I found that he had a very short attention span when it came to learning about complex issues affecting New Mexico. He lacks both understanding of, and interest in, science and technology which are, arguably, the most important driving forces in today's society. As a result he made some bad decisions for his state that are only now being corrected.
It appears that the majority of the polls have used 2008 as their model to weight the samples. This is erroneous because 2008 was not a normal election cycle. For example, in 2008 14% of the vote was by blacks. Normally it is 11% every election.
Seems Rasmussen took this anomoly into account, and used either 2004, or a hybrid averageing 2004, and 2008 to weight their samples, to more accurately reflect what they assume is happening today.
The four debates will change the polls slightly. (Three Presidential debates and one Vice Presidential debate.)
The independents and the undecided may base their final decisions on the debates, as well as current events, and the Presidential record of this administration.
How much effect these considerations will have on the actual polling numbers, or on the election itself is difficult to predict.
The real issue is, if obama wnis again, he was only barely able to beat mitt romney, that means we are dealing with the most pathetic president we've seen. And all you idiot libs back him 100%.
trurat....Sour grapes. Go back to school, turn off FOX, Rush, Hannity and look at the issues.
Republicans seem to HATE Woman (do u have a Mother, Sister, Daughter?), Children (after they Are born), the Elderly (do you have a parents, grandparents?) Hate blacks, Latinos & anyone else that doesn't fit into THEIR world. Sick and Even VETS.
But on the bright side you do seem to know Romney is Toast! Good start. BTW Obama will beat Mitt Soundly. And now on to the senate race's. Lots of Tea Vermin to get out from under the rugs.
Geez are the polls sckewed???
Ask 'Jimminy Stupit' Carter who was supposed to clobber Ronnie Reagan in 1980... But spent the next four years nailing together $hit houses for humanity in Feisty Redhead's neighborhood.
LOFLMAO!
The real question is...
Liberalism....is it a mental disorder? Can morons like Feisty Red Head be helped???
What is the cause of liberalism?? do normal couples produce children that become liberals with time? or are they mentally challenged from birth???
Medical Science has weighed in on the issue by insisting that brain transplant operations on liberals be classified as implants, rather than "trans" operations.
The ones like fatsy are beyond help.
you missed the brains counter when you were born too Dumb Head
Well it's a new day...and I can't help wondering how many of our people overseas this incompetent foreign exchange student "president" will get killed today.
Team Obama has skewed public polling. It's all the work of Team Obama to divert the attenton of voters from such burning issues as economic recession, massive unemployment and the failure of Obama's foreign policy, as we witness the turmoil in the Middle East today and the gruesome murder of the ambassador. .
The liberal media is now controlled by Arab petro-dollars. What's the relationship between Qatar Foundation and CNN? Moody's analysis cannot be accurate. Many non-partisans (who form the majority) and many non-committed voters are not prepared to tell what's in their minds. So it is too premature to forecast election results. Media predicted a thumping voctory for the iconic, handsome and vastly popular Dewey. But to the shock of all Truman won.
That darned Team Obama! They went and made the whole country mad at Mitt Romney, didn't they? And they made Mitt say all of the stupid and demeaning things that turned the American voter against him, too! That Team Obama is really going to make you angry, aren't they, Abraham! Grrrr, Team Obama!
Tell me, though, Abe: Does Team Obama wear cool t-shirts and have a theme song, too? Darn them!