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Subscribe to RSSBOCA RATON, Fla. -- Courting the over-65 set in retiree-rich southern Florida Friday, Vice President Joe Biden accused the GOP presidential ticket of planning to poach the Medicare and Social Security tax benefits of the middle class to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy.
"If Governor Romney’s plan goes into effect, it could mean that everyone, everyone of you, would be paying more taxes on your Social Security," Biden told hundreds of retirees at the Century Village community in Boca Raton. "The average senior would have to pay $460 a year more in taxes for their Social Security."
The Obama campaign traces that math to the claim that Romney's tax policy would necessarily require the elimination of some middle-class tax deductions. Using data from the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, they determine that Romney would have to cut tax benefits for those earning under $200,000 by 58 percent. Spreading those cuts evenly across all benefits would work out to an average of $460 per year per senior.
But Team Romney counters that those numbers are based on a third party's assessment that's riddled with uncertainties and assumptions rather than Romney's actual plan, which the campaign promises on its website "will not raise [Social Security] taxes and will not affect today's seniors or those nearing retirement."
Republicans also point out that Biden himself voted for a 1993 measure that expanded the taxable portion of Social Security benefits for many low-income seniors.
In Florida Friday, Biden said Romney's tax plan was not "moral" because of what he claims would be unfair hikes on the middle class.
"How can you justify a middle class that has been clobbered by the policies that brought on this great recession, adding taxes to them and drastically cutting taxes for the very wealthy," he told a group made up mostly of seniors in Tamarac. "It's not right, I don't even think it's moral, and beyond that it will not help the economy, it will hurt the economy."
In slamming the GOP ticket, Biden also joked that he can't determine if Romney would actually roll back the Obama-backed health care plan after Romney's on-again off-again embrace of some of its core tenets.
"He said 'well, we’re going to maybe ... do that, but I’d like to keep a lot of the good stuff,' and then his campaign says, 'no no no, he didn’t mean that,' " Biden said.
The vice president, who also won laughs from the elderly crowds for jokes about his age and a Lawrence Welk shout-out that would have sailed over the heads of a younger audience, was warmly received at his campaign events. But he did face persistent questioning on the Obama administration's health care plan when he stopped at Nestor's, a Jewish deli in Boca Raton.
Steve Grossman, a 39-year-old who said he worked in the financial services industry, approached Biden as he sat down to order a tuna salad platter and began asking about health insurance costs. The vice president initially seemed reluctant to answer, cutting Grossman off to order his food and to chat with another patron's husband on the phone, but he ended up offering a description of state-based health care exchanges more fitting for a think tank roundtable than a deli specializing in "the mother of all Pastrami sandwiches."
"You can get more benefits for less money," he told Grossman in between slurps of chicken soup. "You get to choose among those insurance companies that are competing as part of the exchanges."
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GOP: Move Debates To Pay Per View
Plans were in the works this morning to have all Presidential Debates moved to Pay Per View, an unidentified source said this morning.
"Special no-cost vouchers will be provided to all 'Legitimate Registered Voters', at most US polling stations, with the number of vouchers capped at 1,000 per location." the source said.
In order to prevent voter fraud, vouchers were a necessary step, they maintained.
"A lot of entitled types will try to circumnavigate the pay process, and we don't want those who deserve vouchers to be victimized."
The source also stated that while it was mandatory for all viewers to have credentials, there would be an indefinite suspension of the requirement for "ability to fog a mirror".
Nice source-----from killbuckets.blogspot....what a joke.
That fish-hook popped right through your cheek, huh?
Thanks for the plug! (I clicked the "like" for you. :)
It is so hard to respond in a timely fashion when you're busy pasting the same set of tired arguments, over and over.
Romney and Ryan are the biggest threat to this country and freedom since Nazi Germany. Everyone, get out and vote, defend this country. We have to turn out in the greatest numbers ever to defeat this fascist attempt to take away our freedom and way of life. Don't let the rich buy our government.
You are wrong there because putting this country even further into debt at the rate Obama has is treasonous.
Spartan --- why is it only "we the people" (republicans) that hold our reps to account by pulling them out one after the other by the lips and replace them? We the people and the media hold the Republicans to account.
On the flip side no one is holding democrats to account. Not you, not the media. Nobody. When will you people take a part in helping out and do something for America?
P.S. close to half the "rich" are Democrats and/or Independents. To think Republicans expect to get elected representing about one half of 1% doesn't hold water -----you're swallowing hole a real dumb false narrative.
P.S.S. did you know 1/3 of white democrats have racists thoughts? That is true too according to surveys. Care to see?
Please put your money where your mouth is, and hold Romney to ALL of his comments, not just the ones you like repeating.
He'll toss ANYBODY under the bus to make a buck.
It's kinda what he "does" isn't it?
Oh gawd, don't bring Hitler into this.
Talk about flawed logic.
Reality has a Liberal Bias.
That's not good for a party that lies, flip flops and doesn't need fact checkers.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 because the nation should love you as much as you love the nation.
When you have to say things that you know are wrong, deny EVERY poll in existence, and pretend your guy DIDN'T insult half of AMERICA, well...
It would be cruel to expect much reality right now. Just cruel.
How, do the people who are championing Mitt Romney know that he won't change his mind on them later?
It's kinda what he "does" you must admit.
See Above. It's not the economy. In a nutshell, this is what most voters will be thinking when making a decision.
If you are supporting Mitt Romney and are NOT asking yourself this question, I have some PRIME Real Estate to offer you. And a fine used car, too. and a cat that does NOT puke on the rugs, and a fur lined sink, and...
Bucket, he will just as EVERY other politician does. BO "changed his mind" on a lot of stuff too...............
-negotiate on CSPAN
-no taxes on anyone under 250k (a dozen or so)
-said recess appointments were "damaged goods" and has made several
-close guantanimo
-immigration first year
-renegotiate NAFTA
-oppose colubian free trade
-cut deficit in half
-put bills online 5 days before votes
-no lobbyists in white house (there are many)
-public financing
-raise minimum wage
-keep earmarks under 8 Billion (waaay past that)
-end no bid contracts over 25k
-KSM military tribunal
-promised to back Boles/Simpson
I could go on but you get the point. You might can guage from what people did in the past but a promise from any politician of any party is best taken with a grain of salt.
The "every Politician lies" argument again.
In its three simple words, you give up the right to assail Obama or Joe Biden, completely.
This is Easy Math.
You openly accepted a liar and defended him. Only sleazy lawyers do that, I thought.
At least you denied Sarah Palin's lies. Why toss Romney under the bus to be right?
I didn't defend anybody, i just acknowledged the truth that every President will "change his mind" on topics. Every president has and all future ones will.
So now i can't say anything against BO? Interesting point of view :-)
For Most voters 55 and up and those who are already retired,It is all about Medicare. These voters are going to play it safe and vote for those individuals who they think will protect their Medicare Insurance and their Social Security. The fact is politics is all about trust.Americans Voters must feel that they can take their President into their living room for conversation.Trust matters.
"Fool me once..."
Old people do NOT like mendacity, is my experience. I'm 50, and I both excuse a lot, and refuse to accept a lot. I let the conditions dictate the balance.
"Play it safe" as it pertains to incumbents translates to "Stay the course" in most cases that history can provide.
Lyin Ryan wants to save social security. Hold onto your wallets and lock up your retirement.
Speedy is a bit clueless, and harmless to boot.
None of his financial claims hold water under scrutiny, ask ANYBODY in the financial world (I won't give you a particular word string to Google, random will do).
No idea if either party will unless something happens during their term to SS. While the reduced contributions are nice now that BO is letting everyone contribute less to SS(and calling it a tax break), how are we going to make up for the long term hole that it is leaving in SS. There is no plan in place to replace the lost funding that is happening because of it.
You conveniently omit mention of George Bush Jr's Big Tax Refund Check Mail-out. I spent mine on an RC Truck, how about you?
I'm an Old Fart, and the fear-mongering over letting Social security go "bankrupt" has been around my WHOLE life.
Fail Arguments, all, because there will be NO drastic changes, and I TRUST Barak Hussein Obama more than I'd EVER trust the Bain Capitalist.
If Paul Ryan wants to mess with MY benefits, he can kiss my furry pink behind.
I didn't omit it as it wasn't a topic, but while that was nice too, it didn't work either. I think i bought an RC Cola and a moon pie :-)
First they came after those 55 and younger and I said nothing... Part of the fiscal cliff is figureing COLA at a lower rate, which Democrats compromised on. Romney wants to repeal Obamacare which would re-open the donut hole, and would also ruduce funding for Medicare by 6 years. Republicans will only cut benefits for those under 55 until they want another tax cut for the wealthy. The reason these programs are called "entitlements" is because we have paid into them for 80 years and are entitled to the benefits. They are not a give away as the Republicans would have you believe. Since all of Romneys income was from investments, he paid Nothing into Medicare or Social Security.
He dislikes the 47% who were too poor to pay taxes, but he forgot to mention the 35,000 people that made over $200,000 and paid $0 in taxes according to IRS records.
A vote for Republicans is always a vote against your own financial best interest.
Unless you own stock in General Dynamics, Dillon Aero, Raytheon, Boeing, Texas Instruments, etc.
Democrats just do not purchase armaments. :(
DISCLOSURE: I think Clinton should have BOMBED somebody to Kingdom Come over the Cole Bombing.
Reagan or either Bush would have had my full support there.
MORE DISCLOSURE: I have a giant full color framed photo of Jimmy Carter on my living room wall.
Hurricane Katrina made me get it.
You go through Katrina Bucket? Where were you?
95610. No, I had to watch helplessly from here.
Heckuvajob, W.
I went through it, interesting. What most people don't hear when they say Bush was late to the party is that it wasn't a federal govt jurisdiction. They couldn't come in until requested by the govenor.
Gov from Miss was on the ball right from the get go, thats why they were there before LA.. The govenor from Louisiana was a knucklehead and late to go to the feds. The feds were seeking approval before the gov gave the go ahead. Funny, only people on the coast then know that.
More things you didn't hear, they usually shut down the airspace for Air Force one. Bush wouldn't allow it, to keep all the supply and rescue aircraft going.
Also Blanco (gov) was denying levee breaches to the feds (on video) hours after i heard about it from the national weather service. She did not order a mandatory evacuation (175 mph winds at one point? wtf?) and mayor Nagin didn't issue a no return order to New Orleans. The state and local guys there really mucked it up. Blanco really mucked it up and had an approval rating that was about 10% when reelection rolled around. Which is why she didn't run again.
If anyone want to see just the tip of the iceberg on how obamacare decimates Medicare for the elderly, take a look. The national media refuses to report what's going on. You'll learn more about Medicare in 1.5 minutes than you've learned by watching abc news, cbs and nbc every night all put together...
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February 8, 2012 from eastoregonian.com by Kathy Aney
Bedside matters: Medicare cuts threaten to
cripple home health care Hospice care, a growing need, in danger
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October 17, 2011 from nslpn.com (National Seniors Partner
Network) by Vladimire Herard
Medicare, Medicaid Cuts, Rules Hurt Seniors’
Drug Benefits, Home Health Pay Rates,
Hospice Care, Outpatient Therapy
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September 18, 2011 from seniorhousingnews.com by Alyssa
Gerace
Medicare Cuts Will Cripple Home Health
Agencies says Report
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November 7, 2011 from modernhealthcare.com by Paul Barr
Medicare cuts mean nursing home
layoffs: survey
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July 5, 2011 from medscape.com
Medicare Cuts for Imaging Could Cut Access
to Care
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September 11, 2009 from news-medical.net
Medicare Cuts to Diagnostic Imaging Will
Affect Cancer Care
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December 9, 2011 from bizjournals.com (Sacramento) by Kathy
Robertson
Imaging firm cuts centers, workers
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February 24, 2010 from houstonherald.com
Medicare reimbursement cuts bleed rural
ambulance service
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January 4, 2012 from the patriotledger.com by Jon Chesto
Fallon Ambulance cuts 25 jobs in response to
Medicare cuts
Reimbursement rate drop forces hand, official at
Quincy-based company says
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November 2, 2010 from wndu.com by Kevin Lewis
Memorial Hospital cites Obama Health Care
Reform on hospital layoffs
South Bend, Ind....
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September 20th, 2011 from economy.ocregister.com (Orange
County Register) by Mary Ann Milbourn
Hoag Hospital cuts about 175 staff
The hospital had been preparing for changes in the industry as
the government plans major reforms in medical coverage and
reimbursement.
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August 22, 2012 from chicagotribune.com by Peter Frost
Northwestern hospital confirms 230 layoffs
The hospital blamed the cuts on lower patient volume and forth
coming cuts in government reimbursement for Medicare and
Medicaid patients as a result of the 2010 health care overhaul.
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July 26, 2012 from timesfreepress.com by Mariann Martin
Chattanooga: Memorial Hospital lays off
employees to trim costs
Memorial Health Care System announced layoffs and restruc-
turing plans today, laying off about 70 employees..
Memorial President and CEO James Hobson cited the economic
downturn and reforms spurred by the federal health care law as
reasons for the layoffs.
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October 15, 2011 from bizjournals.com (Dallas)by Bill Hethcock
Medicare cuts spread pain at nursing homes
DFW facilities forced to make hard spending choices,
causing ripple effects
The cuts will leave deep scars.
Nursing homes — especially those in smaller towns and those
that rely heavily on Medicare — are likely to go bankrupt and
close, and care will suffer, Gavin said.
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December 7, 2011 from thehill.com by Sam Baker
Medicare cuts may force nursing homes to
close, analysis says
Not a word about the administrations lies to cover up the Benghazi terrorist attack, NBC your bias is showing again, this president can lie cheat and the liberal press will not report it. Nixon was impeached for less.
Keep in mind the cuts to Fee for Service (FFS) is just beginning......here's the schedule of the cut.....
Scheduled cuts to the Fee For Services (in billions)
Year: 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022
Cut:... 4...... 14....... 21..... 25.... 32...... 42.... 53..... 64..... 75..... 86
Imagine the headlines in a couple years much less 8, 9 or 10 years ----Grandma is screwed,
HELP Everyone, there's a man here with a cut-and-paste pointed at us.
Don't assume obama will stop this...he promised he wouldn't...
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August 14, 2012 from abcnews.go.com by Jake Tapper
President Obama in 2009 Pledged to Veto
Attempts to Undo Medicare Cuts
As Democrats attack Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for their pro-
posals regarding Medicare, Republicans are circulating this clip
from a November 9, 2009 interview we had with President
Obama in which he not only acknowledged that one third of his
health care bill was paid for by cuts to Medicare, but that he
would veto attempts to undo those cuts.
Long Term Care (LTC) for the elderly is decimated and Medicare Advantage program that 12 million elderly enjoyed was estimated to be cut in 1/2 this year already to 6 million....but obama did save that ----temporarily.....
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April 24, 2012 from forbes.com by Avik Roy
The Obama Campaign's $8 Billion Taxpayer-
Funded Medicare Slush Fund
...the U.S. Government Accountability Office that shows that
the Obama administration is spending over $8 billion to post-
pone—until after the election—Obamacare’s cuts to the market-
oriented Medicare Advantage program. What the coverage hasn’t
emphasized, however, is that this development opens up a new
expansion of executive-branch power: the ability to spend billions
of dollars on politically-favored constituents, without the consent
of Congress.
"why is it only "we the people" (republicans) that hold our reps to account by pulling them out one after the other by the lips and replace them? We the people and the media hold the Republicans to account." -Scandal-2012 Jumping the shark completely.
ROFL. Look out for lightning, OK?
Republican should always, always be capitalized. What would Freud say?
Anyone want to see how obama is pressuring states to ration health care to the POOR and the states have taken him up on it? The rationing to the poor is going to go through the roof in 2014 when 28 million people will be thrown into Medicaid....at a time states not the fed can afford it a time when doctors are dropping out of Medicaid in droves. Anyone want to see the proof?
People - our media is corrupt.
The assertion that previously uninsured will some how hurt the economy by having health care is not only a heartless statement but a false statement. Your assertion that all of a sudden 28 million people will all of a sudden see doctors would have to assume that those people had previously never seen a doctor before when in fact those people have been using the emergency room all along, the most expensive way to see a doctor. By giving those 28 million access the insurance and preventive care the cost of treating people will go down as they won't run up huge bills at the emergency rooms that are most often times covered by the tax payer already as the bills are highly over inflated. By keeping people out of the emergency rooms the government will be able to save allot of money and give people better health care.
Andrew...you're getting this backwards....e.r. visits in America will jump just like they have in Massachusetts and Canada because doctors are dropping out.
First, does it tell you ANYTHING about the media that you're learning for the first time 28 million people are going to be tossed into Medicaid 1-1-2014?
Second...obama is URGING states to ration the care to the poor Medicaid currently provides AND to kick people out of the Medicaid program all together. I know this is difficult to believe but that's a problem between you and your news sources. Have you not heard enough times the media is corrupt and yet you refuse to research it?
Andrew ....Scandal is correct look at ER visits in Mass. after the law went into effect there. They went UP. Reason being they couldnt get in to see a doc, and this includes people WITH INSURANCE now going to ER. Docs are indeed dropping Medicaid as the reimbursement rates that are being set now under this administration makes it a guarenteed loss.
Obamacare only guarentees you can get the insurance, NOT the health care. It will drive Millions onto Medicaid. Not only are we not getting more doctors but the ones now are dropping it and there be a very difficult time finding doctors and wait times will be enormous. Just like what happened in Mass. only on a national scale.
And if your doctor takes Medicaid, get prepared for a month and a half or more minimum wait as you now will be competing with 20 or 30 million new Medicaid patients. You could be just like the insured in Mass that have to go to the ER to be seen. Longest wait time of any state for a doc visit .... Mass.
Good post - And Massachusetts premiums jumped to the highest in the nation. Hmm, speaking of premiums.....b.o. promised they would go down by $2,500 and the report released just this week including just 2010 and 2011 they've increased by about $2,500. It's expected to make bigger jumps in the coming years.
The media knew the rates would go up not down but refused to report it. Studies, reports and common sense all said when you force insurance to pay for all the new provisions it would - wow, cost money. Then obama sent them a threat to keep their mouths shut about lol - this thing is a joke and the media is responsible for it.
Imagine that Scandal, insurance premiums 200% higher than he told us. Deficit 500% higher than he told us. Lets do this again for another 4 years.
Now imagine what the media would do with that info if he were a Republican.
I will bet any replacement doctors work for less money.
And I think that's part of the "Reduced costs" that should be filling the doughnut hole.
It makes no sense to demand higher wages than are possible, or to pay people less than they are worth.
The American Labor system's in need of a serious reset.
Doc i know that has a cardiology group netted 45k last year. Been around for a decade. He said his income last year was basically the deductables. He takes Medicare/Medicaid. One of his best guys quit and he is thinking of selling his practice to go to a hospital. He said reimbursements to hospitals are more than they are to private practice.
COULD IS A NEAT WORD.....Biden could be suffering from dementia.....Obama could be a bi-sexual......See i didn't really exactly say what is correct, just what 'could' be correct. But the thought is still in your mind.
Michelle Obama COULD be thinking about my behind right now.
The Medicaid headlines and what obama is doing to it is devastating. I say they (obama) can try whatever they want but it's the media who are suppose to hold them to account --- that makes them the most dangerous institution this country has ever seen....
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“We journalists tell the public which way the cat
is jumping. The public will take care of the cat.”
Arthur Hays Sulzberger - New York Times Publisher 1936 to 1961
Al Queda is laughing at this fool of a president. You have a baffoon VP making statements of a senile old fool and a guillible naive president. This admin is lying to the American people and will be tested because it is a vey weak admin. They have now seen it. Idiots making foolish statements. No balls or guts.
Yeh, Old Osama laughed all the way to the bottom.
-NEXT!
The red squiggly under some of your typing is your friend.
Don't bring that up. The idiot was just a pon and sat back and did what commaders told him. It was pure luck. The idiot would not have done it on his own. Maybe he did permit infiltration though a supposed ally without informing them but then again had he thought of it who knows what he would have done. The marines criticized his version of the story. There should be an investigation of what happened in Lybia. It is obvious that he didn't know what was going on or covered it up and was not truthful with the public. Again a weak response and a very poor leader.
REALITY about Uninsured Medical Care:
I personally know many, many employees at Mercy Hospital Sacramento, and Mercy Hospital San Juan. Additionally, I am also very versed on how Blue Shield's operation from THEIR point of view. I'm married to a former insider.
Poor people with neglected but insignificant medical issues allow them to become emergency situations all the time. This is reality. Under-insured persons do much the same, my own working years history being an example.
And in deference to Mitt Romney's assertion that all states have plans to deal with this, he's wrong, dead wrong. Lives are destroyed DAILY, those people ARE presented with bills upon discharge.
That's always the first step- if the State or some other entity is going to cover the cost, THAT's up to the PATIENT and their assigned Case Manager.
Capitalist health care is sanctioned murder justified through cost.
That's what the IPAB board is for (Independent Payment Advisory Board) coming in 2014. It's the equivalent to what Europe has in N.I.C.E. In Europe care is rationed to the point 1,000's of people are dying because of it. People are pulling out there own teeth. That's just the start of that mess in Europe. Would you like to see the proof?
I am in such a situation that I hear daily about cases that refute your claim.
The costs ARE mitigated and/or paid off by private charitable organizations in most cases. If somebody seeks care, they will usually get it, but it is the payments for such that are in question afterwards.
Nobody is sent home to die because they can't afford payment. What you are saying is a talking point, not reality.
The Mercy Health Care system writes off MILLIONS daily for the unfortunate to help here, BTW.
Is that why Europe statistically has better outcomes then we do with our health-care system? Not to mention live longer on average? I could accept those terrible consequences.
I never said we had a good system, just that there have been lies and misconceptions about it.
I know the pertinent facts about this, front row center.
isitreal...Europe has better health care outcomes? Would you like to see a list of proof and facts that shows your flat wrong? The health care there is poor and getting poorer because of the economy.
Here, insurance rations care but at least we know they run a finacially tight ship. Our country ---another war, slow economy, raise the interest rate we pay from 1% to 2 will make 'obamacare' today look good.
Are you digging for stuff to cut-and-paste to support your statements?
Your say-so has never been enough in the past...
So Scandal2012, What is your point? To vote for the party who force our country to make these choices to keep the tax breaks for the fat cats. The Dems would have preferred to extend medicare to everyone, similar to many popular European plans and the Canadian plan but that was a political dead end so what we ended up with is a patch work of special interest and better efficiency. We are better off as a nation with the Obama care but we have a long way to go to catch up with the Canadians and Europeans bang for the buck healthcare. This will never occur until the country soundly defeats a party completely owned and operated by corporate interest. Obama care is not a bad option compared to the alternative so there in lies our choice in this election. Do you want worse and poorer or to keep fighting for better. It is only going to get better if the party of road blocks is removed from office. Voting out the Republican party and sending them a strong message that they need to change is the only answer in this election.
I don't think your grasping the seriousness of the flaws in obamacare - maybe take another peek through or ask me for more info on a specific aspect.
The narrative that Republicans are "for the rich" is old. It's a false narrative. Just like R's are racists, cold, mean, don't like the poor etc etc etc. Just under half of the millionaires are either dems or independent.....wtf is with that and your silly narrative you believe in?
How do R's get elected when representing about one 1/2 of 1 percent?
Obama got more from wall-street than McCain ----I'm telling you your theories are full of holes.
The Dems wanted to do the same things Romney did in his state.
You'd think Romney could be using that same program's promise to get himself elected, but his party hates it.
Review how Romney won that state with his monetary resource, and not wits, and you'll see that he's sure not winning anything on merit.
No, what I am asking what is your better alternative? and who should we vote for to get the better alternative? What I am saying is the choice between to competing parties and which will better represent my interest. So which party with a chance to win this election is the better choice to represent my interest. I have come to the conclusion it is the Democratic party. So I will vote a straight ticket nationally and for the candidates of my choice locally.
Did you know health insurance companies weren't free to compete across state lines as car insurance is? That would have been a much better place to start as it could have been done in a 2 page bill and not cost us anything.
Do you really think the federal govt can be efficient at running anything?
Did you know premiums are 200% higher than what BO told us they would be?
Did you know money for extension of medicare and new programs were counted twice, $500 Billion and confirmed by CBO and the Medicare actuary. That's another half a trillion to the cost they put on it not in the numbers?
Have you read the 21 or 22 new taxes in Obamacare and how many hundreds of Billions in cost to low and middle income families?
Did you know certain religions are exempt?
Did you know half of all states have reduced or eliminated child only policies?
Principal group leaving health care?
Children's hospitals lose discount for rare drugs?
SEIU dropped 30,000 children from its Family Health Plus?
$206 Billion in cuts from Medicare Advantage?
Cook Medical canceled plans to build 5 new medical device plants because of the taxes on medical device companies?
Obamacare cost estimate they gave you was a 10 year estimate for mostly 6 years of service?
And we haven't really got started yet
How many here are aware that in order to get the estimated price tag of obamacare to under 1 trillion (958 billion) 500,000,000 dollars was double-counted? Anyone even know what that means? Obamacare was off a 1/2 trillion before it was signed.
Then the bill was sent to the CBO for scoring over a 10 yr period ---- the first FOUR years had next to nothing for expenses listed - 40% of the whole damn bill....guess what happens when the CBO updates it every year removing 1 year with no spending to be replaced with one year at full spending? This bill is a financial time-bomb to our debt and America's media REFUSED to report this.
The media is the biggest threat to the future of America - bar none - no debate ----LEARN this people and then we can deal with it together.
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“The lowest form of popular culture - lack of information,
misinformation, disinformation, and a contempt for the truth
or the reality of most people's lives - has overrun real journalism. Today, ordinary Americans are being stuffed with garbage.”
Carl Bernstein - Journalist
Correct again. The CBO and the medicare actuary both said it was double counted, as they project it for savings to extend Medicare while at the same time project the same amount of money for paying for other programs. Blahous study confirmed it.
Sebillius was asked in congress, there is 500 billion allocated for extending medicare and 500 Billion for new programs, but only counted once, which is it. She said .."Both" LOL
What will save the system: Lawyers.
I would sign a waiver of any recourse on the doctor to get my care at a significantly reduced cost.
Where do I sign?
I'd go as far as to say: that WILL be the solution.
I would do the same Bucket. I have heard of some posting notice at the door that they don't have insurance in order to provide lower cost care. Doubt that will catch on though.
You can find me here at the beginning of the month saying the Romney Tax Record theft was a hoax, and possibly to stop a news cycle about Paul Ryan at that time.
I'm half right so far...
We sure didn't hear SQUAT about THAT yesterday, when the release date went by un-noticed by even THIS media site!
The greatest risk to our security and our global interest is not having healthcare on demand. We are setting our selves up to be decimated by microbes, viruses and disease. Creating a perfect environment for microbes and virus mutations to occur. Our risk for infectious disease is higher than any other risk we face day to day. The twin towers attack is chump change compared to the tens of thousands lives and trillions in dollars we are losing each year to microbes, virus and disease. Where is the outrage? Where is the defense spending to combat this terror attack we are being hit with daily? The end of civilization is always just one cough away. Think about it complacency will not save you living in a bubble might.
And health care on demand is exactly what were moving from....did you notice my post on the effects of the $716 billion cut is doing just in the last year or so and then DID YOU NOTICE these cuts are just beginning ---here it is again, for you.....
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Keep in mind the cuts to Fee for Service (FFS) is just beginning......here's the schedule of the cut.....
Scheduled cuts to the Fee For Services (in billions)
Year: 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022
Cut:... 4...... 14....... 21..... 25.... 32...... 42.... 53..... 64..... 75..... 86
Imagine the headlines in a couple years much less 8, 9 or 10 years ----Grandma is screwed.
P.S. does it not matter to you that obama is urging states to ration care to the poor and cut them off of medicaid altogether AND the state are taking up on it?
Again, I know all this information is new to you but what you need to do is ask why and then change where you get your news - they are corrupt.
FACT: We're all gonna die. In the end, something gets you, period.
Life is about putting that off any way possible. It's not cheap to do.
One thing, one concept, only one, has to change here, and the rest cascades into place.
What' broken about the American Health Care system?
The assumption that ONLY an insurance company can pay a medical bill.
Attn: Scandal2012
That is what I keep asking you? You keep throwing around crap that is not pertinent to the process we are involved in. We have a two party system and in November we need to select one party or the other. I have concluded the Dems are my best choice. Do you have another better choice and why? This is a simple question.
Romney and Ryan and GOP will leave some legacies they will be appreciated for this election:
= Why we need to understand and limit the powers and economic games of the very rich....as Europe learned from dealing with their Kings/Rules and Royalty.
= Why the far right repubs are taking the GOP down an illogical and inhumane philosophy road that Lincoln, T Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower would have never taken.
= Why powerful small groups of GOP can steal elections if they are allowed to with voter suprression, lies, corrupt public officials and judges.
Legacy, GOP 2012: No NEW politician will ever join the Republican party again after Nov. 4.
You can't get even TWO people of the thousands who read these comments to admit they are still in the Republican party and say so directly. This is Easy Math.
voter suppression?
Because you all asked...take a look and learn more about health care across the pond in 1.5 minutes than you have in your entire life. Some of these will make you cry the way they treat the elderly there...
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July 6, 2011 from bbc.co.uk by Nick Triggle
NHS chiefs warn of rising hospital waiting
times
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and the governments solution...
September 4, 2011 from telegraph.co.uk by Martin Beckford and
Kiri Little
NHS makes patients wait 'to lower expecta-
tions’
NHS managers are making patients wait longer than necessary
for operations, with one claiming that treating them quickly
“raises expectations”.
At least 10 primary care trusts (PCT’S) have told hospitals to
increase the length of time before they see patients in order to
save money, an investigation by The Daily Telegraph has found.
In some areas, patients endured delays of 12 or 15 weeks after
GPs decided they needed surgery, even though hospitals could
have seen them sooner.
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If you don’t like waiting at home you can wait outside...
February 18, 2008 from dailymail.co.uk from Daniel Martin
A&E patients left in ambulances for up to
FIVE hours 'so trusts can meet government
targets'
Seriously ill patients are being kept in ambulances outside hospi-
tals for hours so NHS trusts do not miss Government targets.
Thousands of people a year are having to wait outside accident
and emergency departments because trusts will not let them in
until they can treat them within four hours, in line with a
Labour pledge.
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An alternative to waiting is dying...
March 3, 2002 from dailymail.co.uk by Tim Utton
Deadly wait for cancer treatment
Thousands of cancer patients are dying as they wait for treat-
ment, it was revealed yesterday.
The number waiting a 'dangerously long time' has doubled in
two years, according to a report from the Royal College of
Radiologists.
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One way to avoid waiting for treatment is to avoid knowing your sick in the first place...
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September 8, 2011 from dailymail.co.uk by
GPs ordered to ration cancer scans: Lives
'being put at risk' by bureaucrats' new cost-
saving directive
Family doctors have been ordered to ration the number of
patients they send for life-saving cancer scans to save money.
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Grandma, being “crumbly” and all, is offered the “pain killer” rather than life...
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June 16, 2011 from telegraph.co.uk by Martin Beckford
New fears of 'ageism' in NHS cancer care
Fresh fears have been raised that older cancer
patients suffer from “ageism” in the NHS.
New figures show that women over 70 are almost a fifth less
likely to have surgery on breast tumours than younger ones.
Among the over-80s, the situation is even worse with only half
of sufferers being operated on.
“Many women in their 70s, 80s and 90s are fit and well and
could benefit from surgery. It's vital that treatment decisions
are not based on their age but on their overall physical and
mental health.”
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The last phase between the painkiller and the morgue...
February 14, 2011 from telegraph.co.uk by Martin Beckford
NHS shamed over callous treatment of elderly
The National Health Service is today condemned over its inhu-
mane treatment of elderly patients in an official report that finds
hospitals are failing to meet “even the most basic standards of
care” for the over-65s.
A study of pensioners who suffered appalling treatment at the
hands of doctors and nurses says that half were not given enough
to eat or drink. One family member said the maltreatment
amounted to “euthanasia”.
Some were left unwashed or in soiled clothes, while others were
forgotten after being sent home or given the wrong medication.
In several cases considered by the Health Service Ombudsman,
patients died without loved ones by their sides because of the
“casual indifference” of staff and their “bewildering disregard”
for people’s needs.
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Maybe there’s relief in being deliriously nuts by the time you enter the twilight years...
September 4, 2011 from reuters.com by Kate Kelland
Nearly 40 percent of Europeans suffer mental
illness
(Reuters) - Europeans are plagued by mental and
neurological illnesses, with almost 165 million peo-
ple or 38 percent of the population suffering each
year from a brain disorder such as depression, anxi-
ety, insomnia or dementia, according to a large new
study.
"Those few receiving treatment do so with considerable delays
of an average of several years and rarely with the appropriate,
state-of-the-art therapies."
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Rationing dental care turns ugly....
October 15, 2007 from cnn.com
Brits resort to pulling own teeth
Some English people have resorted to pulling out their own
teeth because they cannot find -- or cannot afford -- a dentist, a
major study has revealed.
Hmmm, it's gettin a lot worse overseas with the economy on the verge of collapse and all......
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August 18, 2011 from bmj.com
Health services across Europe face cuts as
debt crisis begins to bite
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The results are beginning to trickle in...
September 17, 2012 from globalpost.com
Spain: Austerity cuts are prompting medical
“apartheid”
Doctors rebel against rules forbidding public healthcare
workers from treating illegal immigrants.
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September 18, 2012 from news.yahoo.com by
Funding cuts imperil European fight against
TB, HIV
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September 4, 2012 from resstv.ir
Greek pensioners hold demonstration against
healthcare cuts
On Tuesday, more than 300 protesting pensioners stormed the
health ministry building, asking for a meeting with the Health
Minister Andreas Lykourentzos
Nobody really asked you to post that, what is it, ten times now?
Unless you get a paycheck for the effort, then I'd understand completely.
Is this set of links your only argument?
Just going by scientific studies. What proof is there if people who don't like obamacare or his other policies are racists? 1/3 of white dems are racists says here.....
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September 20, 2008 from realclearpolitics.com by Ron Fournier
And Trevor Tompson - Associated Press writers Nancy Benac,
Julie Carr Smyth, Philip Elliot, Julie Pace and Sonya Ross con-
tributed to this story.
Racial views steer some white Democrats
away from Barack Obama
WASHINGTON - Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost
Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, accord-
ing to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white
Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many call
ing them "lazy," ”violent" or responsible for their own troubles.
Such numbers are a harsh dose of reality in a campaign for the
history books.
Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found
they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most
Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president —
white, black or brown.
The survey of 2,227 adults was conducted Aug. 27 to Sept. 5. It
has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage
points.
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Then I noticed this article written by a black woman at CNN....
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April 7, 2010 from CNN by Shannon Travis
Reporter's notebook: What really happens at
Tea Party rallies
(CNN) -- When it comes to the Tea Party movement, the stereo
types don't tell the whole story.
But here's what you don't often see in the coverage of Tea Party
rallies: Patriotic signs professing a love for country; mothers and
fathers with their children; African-Americans proudly partici-
pating; and senior citizens bopping to a hip-hop rapper.
Last week, I saw all of this during a five-city Western swing as
the Tea Party Express national tour made its way across the
country.
CNN was the only national news outlet on this Western leg of
the tour. We had a full team on the ground...
Together, we beamed out images of the anger and the optimism,
profiled African-Americans who are proud to be in the Tea
Party's minority...
Being at a Tea Party rally is not quite like seeing it on TV, in
newspapers or online. That's the reason CNN is covering this
political movement -- and doing so in ways few others can or
choose to do.
So, it's important that with a newsworthy, growing phenome-
non like the Tea Party movement, viewers and readers fully
understand what they see and what they don't.
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Notice how she said others (NBC) refuse to report -----the media is corrupt...they're no good for America. Where you get your news - YOU should start bitching and then don't stop for about 13 weeks.
Good Job!!
No one has asked what the devastation looks like for the poor and Medicaid yet. Or to see obama urging states to ration care to the poor and cut them off it altogether----and the states taking him up on it.
America's media is CORRUPT.
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“The man who reads nothing at all is better educated
than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.”
Thomas Jefferson
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And ABC,CBS, NBC and NPR all put together.
Scandal2012
My bottom line, an Old Codger's one, is: as few changes as possible.
Between Romney and Ryan's woefully devoid-of-detail comments,
I expect the Health Care System to be torn down, and then look like a mob-controlled construction site indefinitely thereafter.