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For the third straight day, both Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama will be campaigning in the same state. The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd reports.
*** Obama’s closing ad (with 40 days to go): Although we’re 40 days out until Election Day and even though the first presidential debate isn’t until next week, the Obama campaign is going up with a closing TV ad of sorts. In this two-minute TV ad -- to air in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and Virginia -- Obama looks to the camera and describes his economic plan, much of what he laid out in his convention speech. Creating a million new manufacturing jobs by giving tax breaks to companies that invest in the United States. Reducing oil imports in half. Hiring 100,000 new science and math teachers. And cutting the deficit in a “balanced” way by raising taxes on the wealthiest. Obama concludes in the TV ad, “It’s time for a new economic patriotism, rooted in the belief that growing our economy begins with a strong, thriving middle class. Read my plan. Compare it to Gov. Romney’s and decide for yourself.” The Romney camp issues this response to the ad, “President Obama’s record is clear: we can’t afford another four years that look like the last four years. Mitt Romney will strengthen the middle class, create 12 million new jobs and deliver what President Obama hasn’t -- a real recovery.”
Slideshow: On the campaign trail
*** Why? Because voters in 30 states are already voting: This new Obama spot has the feeling of a closing TV ad 10 days out from Election Day because, well, the Obama camp believes we’re really 10 days out -- or we’re already there. Indeed, voters in 30 states -- including the battleground states of Iowa, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Virginia -- are now casting ballots, either via absentee or early in-person voting, per NBC’s Kyle Inskeep. Today, early in-person voting begins in Iowa and Wyoming, while absentee ballots are now being sent to voters requesting them in Alabama, Wyoming, North Dakota, Iowa, and Illinois. By the end of next week, voters in five more states, including Ohio and Florida, will join this list. The early vote has always been a big part of the Obama ground game, and they are acting on that. And as we predicted in this space months ago, with the airwaves soooo saturated, campaigns are going to have to look for different ways to break through, and one of those ways is a two-minute spot. Don’t be surprised if someone tries the five-minute ad, especially on the Senate level.
*** The administration’s evolving statements on the attack in Libya: But while Team Obama is quickly seizing on all of the early voting, it was just as slow in labeling the attack on the U.S. embassy in Libya as an act of terrorism. The Washington Post runs a good timeline on the Obama administration’s evolving statements when it comes to describing what happened in Libya (first saying it wasn’t planned or pre-meditated to now acknowledging it was an act of terrorism). The most CHARITABLE explanation for these evolving statements is that the information the administration received simply changed or wasn’t complete. The most UNCHARITABLE explanation is that the White House was slow to admit the attack was terrorism due to the upcoming election. In all of this, perhaps the biggest mistake was sending out U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice to all the Sunday morning shows -- days after the attack -- saying, “We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.” And given what apparently U.S. intelligence officials feared just 24 hours after the attack, Susan Rice either intentionally misled the public or was misled herself by briefers. You have to wonder, if Obama wins re-election, if Rice’s chances of being Secretary of State in a second term are collateral damage from all of this simply because Senate GOPers may want someone to go after in the aftermath of losing.
*** Romney’s evolving statement on health care: Speaking of evolving, don’t miss what Mitt Romney told NBC’s Ron Allen when he was asked why he’s struggling to connect to middle-class Americans. "I think throughout this campaign as well, we talked about my record in Massachusetts, don't forget -- I got everybody in my state insured," Romney said, per NBC’s Garrett Haake. "One hundred percent of the kids in our state had health insurance. I don't think there's anything that shows more empathy and care about the people of this country than that kind of record." Of course, if you’ve been following this race for the past year-plus, you know that Romney rarely talks about his signature achievement while governor of Massachusetts. The irony here is that Romney appears to be losing this race precisely because he never really talked about his health-care law until now. It was a bipartisan accomplishment he could contrast with the very partisan last three years in Washington (Ted Kennedy was standing next to him!!!). But he walked away from it. And just asking, but if insuring everyone is a demonstrating of empathy, what happens when you promise to repeal a law insuring all Americans? By the way, given how easily Romney went to his health-care law in a question that was NOT about health care but empathy, he gives the impression of someone who wants to scream from the rooftops, “Yes, you are gosh darn right I supported a mandate, and I’d do it again!” But he can’t…
*** This week’s 10 hottest markets -- dominated by Virginia and Ohio: On Tuesday, both Obama and Romney were in New York. On Wednesday, they campaigned in Ohio. And today, both men will be in Virginia. Indeed, seven of this week’s 10 hottest advertising markets (in terms of advertising points from Sept. 24-30) are in either Virginia or Ohio. And just two other states (Wisconsin and Florida) represent the other three. Here’s this weeks’ list:
1. Madison, WI: Obama 1540/Restore 1480/Romney 940/Priorities USA 860
2. Orlando: Obama 1700/Romney 1240/AJS 890/Crossroads 620/Priorities 250
3. Cleveland: Romney 1540/Obama 1500/AJS 710/Priorities 440/Crossroads 400
4. Tampa, St. Pete: Obama 1710/Romney 1300/AJS 670/Crossroads 480/Priorities 280
5. Washington, DC: Obama 1800/Romney 1500/AJS 570/Crossroads 250
6. Roanoke-Lynchburg: Romney 1500/Obama 1340/AJS 670/Crossroads 530
7. Norfolk-Portsmouth: Obama 1450/Romney 1440/AJS 730/Crossroads 215/Priorities 200
8. Dayton: Romney 1540/Obama 1390/Crossroads 570/AJS 360
9. Richmond-Petersburg: Romney 1475/Obama 1360/AJS 490/Crossroads 400/Priorities 230
10. Toledo: Romney 1500/Obama 1110/AJS 680/Crossroads 270/Priorities 330
*** Team Romney’s ad-spending edge: It’s worth noting that Obama’s lead in the current polls comes as the GOP continues to enjoy an ad-spending advantage in the presidential race. This week -- from Sept. 24-30 -- Team Romney (campaign and outside groups) are outspending Team Obama (campaign and outside groups), $24.4 million to $18.6 million. Last week’s GOP edge was a bit smaller, $22 million to $19.3 million. In the general election to date, more than $650 million has been spent on ads, with Team Romney at $356 million and Team Obama at $308 million.
*** The Outsiders: And speaking of all the ad spending, it increasingly looks like the main pro-Obama Super PAC Priorities USA Action is narrowing the outside-group gap. In August, American Crossroads, Crossroads GPS, and Restore Our Future spent $25 million to Priorities’ $4 million. But so far in September, that ratio has narrowed to $24 million to $9.4 million. (But this comparison doesn’t include outside spending by GOP-leaning groups like Americans for Jobs Security and Ending Spending.) By the way, Priorities USA and AFSCME are pairing up with a new radio ad hitting Romney on “47%.” But it is worth asking: Given the Romney campaign problems of message discipline, does a conglomerate of advertising confuse things even more?
*** New polls coming out tonight! Heads up: We will be releasing the results of new NBC/WSJ/Marist battleground polls of Nevada, New Hampshire, and North Carolina beginning at 6:30 pm ET tonight.
Jewel Samad / AFP - Getty Images
President Barack Obama speaks during a campaign event at the Bowling Green State University on September 26, 2012 in Bowling Green, Ohio.
*** On the trail: Obama holds a rally in Virginia Beach at 11:50 am ET… Romney stumps in Springfield, VA at noon ET… Paul Ryan raises money in Tennessee… Ann Romney campaigns in Reno, NV… And Tagg Romney is in North Carolina.
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The Republican brain drain
By Richard Cohen
In 1980 Ronald Reagan won the Republican nomination. He beat a future president, George H.W. Bush; two future Senate majority leaders, Howard Baker and Bob Dole; and two lesser-known congressmen. This year Mitt Romney won the GOP nomination. He beat a radio host, a disgraced former House speaker, a defeated Senate candidate, a former appointee of the Obama administration, a tongue-tied Texas governor, a prevaricating religious zealot who happens to serve in the House of Representatives and a cranky libertarian doctor. Where did all the talent go?
Until the Republican Party can answer this question, it makes no sense to continue to carp about Mitt Romney and the startlingly incompetent presidential campaign he’s running. His faults as a politician are manifest. He is robotic, unknowable (his own wife asserted at the national convention that “he made me laugh” and then failed to cite a single humorous moment), ideologically incoherent and severely out of touch with the average American. He is his party’s nominee because, like the one-eyed man in the valley of the blind, he is just the best of the worst.
Since Republicans are so focused on the individual and not on the system that produced him, they miss the real problem. The system in this case is the series of incredibly damaging primaries and caucuses that, in the crucial early stages, produce a candidate who could sweep Bavaria. The Iowa caucuses alone take the GOP so far to the right that it all but dooms the winner. Romney had to vow to stop thinking. He had to virtually declare himself anti-Hispanic (criticizing Texas for providing tuition discounts to the college-age children of illegal immigrants). While he has now moderated his approach, it is a bit late. Hispanic is not Spanish for Stupid.
Across the board, Romney pandered to the right. He did so on guns, abortion and even Iran. A GOP candidate has to oppose same-sex marriage, deny global warming and insist— against all evidence — that local control of education is the best.
At one time or another, Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain (who was forced to drop out) were front-runners. Can you think of any two people less qualified for the presidency? How about Ron Paul, another front-runner, or Mad Newt Gingrich or Rick Perry, the cement-mouthed governor who would eliminate three Cabinet offices, if only he could remember them? How about Rick Santorum, a fun guy, who actually beat Romney in Iowa, or Jon Huntsman, a decent man with shallow political experience — and, it seemed, aptitude?
None of these candidates were remotely qualified for the highest office in the land. Arguably, Romney was the exception — and that’s the whole point. He won just by showing up. He beat a bunch of nobodies. This is how the GOP wound up with such a weak candidate, one who espouses extreme positions he does not for a moment believe
Open the window and listen. You will hear the moans and groans of Republican officials and their trained pundits. But where were these people when their field of oddballs was being assembled? Why were they so silent when Hispanics and women were being told to shove it and the long-dead Darwin was being debated?
The answer is that they do not have the courage nor the intellectual integrity to stand up to the know-nothing (dominant) wing of the Republican Party. They have designed a system where, politically speaking, the lowest common denominator wins. We are all the poorer for it.
Contrast the candidates of yore with the collection that took the field this year. The Republican Party has had a brain drain so that now its highest intellectual achievement is — like an infant in the Terrible 2s— simply to say no to everything, especially taxes. To paraphrase Marx, rise up, GOP moderates. You have nothing to lose . . . but losing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-the-republican-brain-drain/2012/09/24/28c11b6e-066b-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html?hpid=z8
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You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
Ol’ Willard can’t even fool some of the People most of the time.
You’ll Yahoo’s are going to have to do better than this next go ‘round or you’re going to Wander in that Wilderness a long, looooong Time.
What's that smell... can't you smell that smell?
Seems Lyin Ryan is having some issues with his proboscis where Willard is concerned!
Running around the magical mystery bus calling his possible boss "the stench" isn't a very good way to start off a relationship! lol
Just sayin...
On a positive note...
GIANT BIRTHDAY shout out to my tat-twin & soul sistuh Clara in KC!
I love ya baby!
Also happy belated birthday wishes to my other two girls, NewDay & Jody!
Senate:
RCP (Average of polls) Senate as of 9/26/2012
AZ seat just mover to Tossup from Lean R
Tossup = 9 [2 Tied, D leading in 4 and R leading in 3]
Democrat: Not up/Safe 37 + Likely/Lean 11 = 48
Republican: Not up/Safe 42 + Likely/Lean 1 = 43
Two months ago the conclusion was that the Republicans would take control by 1 or 2 seats.
Today it is possible the Dems could gain a seat or two.
I see the time out didn't slow you down.
The Games People Play
The lefties around here have not particularly appreciated the efforts of those who have lifted the curtain on the scandal of pro-Obama bias in MSM polling. Many tut-tut and cluck-cluck in their insulated echo chamber and point to the very results of these biased polls as evidence that the critics are the ones who are in denial about how this election is going.
There's even one particularly clueless leftist wag who actually pontificated that this polling kerfuffle doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things since folks will vote for real in the only poll that counts on November 6th. Good grief, these people are either shamelessly disingenuous or terminally stupid, take your pick. Whether or not polls are accurately reflecting the race is critical to how the MSM is reporting the race and thereby how the public is perceiving the race. So let's get real about what's going on here.
The MSM is in the tank for Obama every bit as much in 2012 as they were in 2008. This posture influences everything they do, from their soft reporting on Obama to their aggressively critical reporting on Romney and to the biased polls they sponsor. The whole idea from their perspective is to use their power to push a narrative that creates an air of inevitability surrounding an Obama win. That sense of inevitability is specifically intended to feed a corresponding sense of demoralization on the right that can lead to some donors choosing not to give to a "losing" candidate, to volunteers who might choose not to bother to volunteer, and to voters who might decide not to make the effort to show up at the polls on election day. At the margin in a close election, all of this could make a difference – which is exactly why the MSM is doing what they're doing.
So here we are in the wake of our embassies in flames in the Middle East. But do we hear critical commentary from the MSM about the shambles of the president's foreign policy in the region that failed to prevent those flames? Do we hear critical questioning from the MSM regarding the administration's inconsistent stories as to whether the violence was or was not a terrorist attack? Do we hear any sense of outrage whatsoever from the MSM about the humiliation of our embassy flags being torn down and replaced by Islamic banners?
No, instead we hear scathing criticisms of candidate Romney for daring to point out that the president's response to these events was disgraceful. Followed closely by a breathless parsing of the latest MSM poll that shows Romney behind. That's the crap sandwich the army of slime on the left is trying to feed us, but this cynical attempt to manipulate public opinion is destined to fail. Because there's an even better dish in their future, and one that will be served quite cold: Romney not only wins, he wins decisively.
And in your heart, you know I'm right.
Thanks a lot Barry, you’re doin’ a heck of a job.
THIS is why the economic terrorist threats from Dems like Senator Patty Murray matter.
Her threat to let the American economy go off the fiscal cliff into recession in 2013 if the Dems don’t get their way in their class warfare crusade to increase taxes on the “rich” is screwing the economy RIGHT NOW.
Lefty liberals just don’t get it. They do not seem to understand that businesses plan for the future and act on those plans TODAY. If their expectations for the future indicate that it will suck, then they hunker down and don’t invest in new plant and equipment AND new jobs to run them. I guess that’s just waaaaay too much common sense for any lefty liberal to comprehend.
Corporate America Sweats as US Nears Fiscal Cliff
Reuters
| 27 Sep 2012 | 03:12 AM ET
Top U.S. executives have less confidence in the business outlook now than at any time in the past three years - and a key reason is fear of gridlock in Washington over the fiscal deficit and tax policy.
The uncertainty, coupled with slowing demand in Asia and Europe, is forcing corporate leaders to postpone decisions on major investments and hiring, and hurting sales of everything from textbooks to telephone lines.
"If we don't deal with the fiscal cliff and don't deal with predictability on taxes for both citizens and business, with the rest of the world in a struggling state, this is really bad for us," John Chambers, CEO of network equipment maker Cisco Systems ,
told Reuters on Tuesday. Some 34 percent of U.S. CEOs plan to cut jobs in the United States over the next six months, up from 20 percent a quarter ago, according to a Business Roundtable survey released on Wednesday.
Only 30 percent plan to raise capital spending, compared with 43 percent previously. The group's index of CEO confidence fell to its lowest point since the third quarter of 2009, when the United States had just emerged from its worst recession in 80 years.
The main culprit is the fiscal cliff — Washington's self-imposed year-end deadline to agree on a plan to shrink the federal budget or trigger $600 billion in spending cuts and higher taxes that were put in place last summer.
The sharpest pain would be felt by the defense and healthcare sectors, which face direct funding cuts. But any resulting slowdown could send shockwaves across the economy.
Another survey, by Deloitte, found that chief financial officers' view of business prospects had also darkened in the current quarter.
Some 80 percent of U.S. CFOs surveyed by the consultancy said the economy had stalled or was about to stall.
AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson said orders have slowed for new phone lines as corporations hire fewer workers.
"Businesses are taking action now in anticipation of January," Stephenson told investors last week.
NEWSFLASH! Scott Brown Hoisted On His Own Petard!
Do you think he gets it, folks? Does he understand he created the climate in which his staff felt comfortable acting out racist stereotypes?
The answer is no. The Party of Contempt—contempt for everything decent: 47% of the population, victims of sexual assault, elders collecting Medicare, the poor, gays, people whose skin color is not white—the Party of Contempt is increasingly becoming irrelevant.
Or perhaps not. One avenue is left them: to pull out the Brownshirts hidden away in the bottom drawer of their dressers and begin marching in the streets.
Frightening? Yes. But at least then the masks will drop and even the most uninformed shall know them for who they are.
For those who think facts are important AND Fairfax Bill:
There NEVER was a promise that President Obama could hold unemployment to 8%. NEVER! This 8% number comes from the Romer/Bernstein released January 10, 2009. At that time, we had no idea how horrible the crash was. Here's what they wrote about that estimate in endnote two of that report: "These estimates, like the aggregate ones, are subject to substantial margins of error. One additional source of uncertainty concerns the impact of state fiscal relief." Of course, to find this disclaimer you have to read the full report, not just take some sorry-ass talking point that's an outright lie. (For the full text of the Romer/Bernstein report, simply type into a search block "The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan".)
Obviously Fairfax Bill and other dishonest right-wing dogmatics haven't read it as Fairfax Bill makes clear when he writes about ARRA: "That didn't work out too well as we all know, but I'm not sure most folks realize just how much stimulus has been pumped into the economy in recent years." The fact is, ARRA is generally viewed as a success. Bill Kristol, a neocon favorite admitted as much last Sunday. Indeed, if "most folks" were interested, they would find that a great deal of stimulus money comes in the form of reduced taxes that affect 95% of working families. As an aside, ARRA brought Internet service to many of us in flyover land. (It's ironic that I'm using ARRA to put the lie to Fairfax Bill's nonsense.)
Count on Fairfax Bill to throw out the Keynesian red herring. Keynesian theory has NEVER been put into play anywhere in the world, much less the U.S. The last President who had the opportunity to actually implement Keynes' ideas was President Bill Clinton who was advised by Alan Greenspan to make only nominal national debt reduction, which Greenspan today says was a mistake. President Bush also could have reduced the debt, but he opted for tax cuts, wars, and a drug plan that were not financed.
The crash we saw at the end of the Bush years was decades in the making. Bush Administration profligacy was simply the straw that broke the camel's back and President Obama has been struggling to repair it ever since AND with absolutely no cooperation from Republicans. Indeed, Republicans have worked with the fervor of brain-dead, right-wing zealots to destroy the economy.
The stimulus was a success. Period. Literally several hundred billion dollars are in the hands of Americans who desperately needed relief. You will find a summary here: http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/arra.pdf Let those cuts expire and we'll see how many folks think the stimulus didn't work.
That said, Fairfax Bill's post of yesterday was not simply collapsed, it was deleted. As I have written, it was dishonest, but that is absolutely no reason to collapse/delete that post.
Poor Joe...you don't seem to remember that Republicans voted to point us towards that very same cliff...including Congressman Paul Ryan!
Good morning
It's good to be out of the hole. I was on MSNBC's lockup.
Fox Nation Alert: This Ain't The No Spin Zone !!!
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FL GOP FIRES ROMNEY CONSULTANT'S VOTER REGISTRATION FIRM AFTER FRAUDULENT FORMS REPORTED IN PALM BEACH COUNTY.
The firm is not only tied to the FL GOP, but also to the Mitt Romney Campaign, which hired Sproul as a political consultant late last year, despite years of fraud allegations against his organizations in multiple states.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9586 ===================================
Fox Nation Alert!!!: Eat your hearts out! "MYTH" fuhgeddabout it. 2 felonies looming; it's over!! "MYTH'S" judgements are unsound and lies are getting longer and longer. Where are those tax returns? What is "MYTH' hiding? 8-) ( Eyes Rolling)
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Obama/Biden 2012
Feisty, nice to see you. I go out of town for two weeks, and when I get home you're in Time Out. I'm going to have to keep an eye on you girl!
Whatever or whomever it was I'll bet it was hilarious! :)
Bev, You too? Wow! I must have missed something.
--- 2Q GDP revised down from 1.7% to 1.3%
--- Huge drop in durable good orders.
The Obama economy, just humming along. It's really time we raised taxes because it is obvious the government can spend it better than private businesses.
At least the jobless claims are down to 360.000. Companies must be running out of people to fire.
Ruken/Xabre 2012 - Who will he be next?
Fascinating...once again the only voter fraud that the GOP seems intent on stopping is the stuff they themselves commit.
Terrific article and comment, IR. The republican brain drain is real. FOX, Limbaugh and others have not helped, in fact, they have systematically dumbed down conservative viewers.
A lot can happen between now and election day but seeing the clip of Mitt Romney trying to rally the crowd to chant "Romney - Ryan" instead of "Ryan, Ryan", seeing Joe Scarborough's "oh, sweet Jesus" reaction makes me wonder if there is much that can happen to revitalize the floundering Romney/Ryan ticket.
Romney will do much better at the debates that some liberals claim--as long as he can answer with what he has rehearsed. Romney will be good at deflecting the answer to avoid the question. We know that from watching his interviews. Romney will toss his word salad and hope listeners mistake the word salad for intelligence or an actual answer. I do not buy for one minute the notion that Romney will be a weak debater; that is his campaign team trying to lower expectations. Romney will be much better in one-on-one debates with President Obama than he was during the GOP Clown Show primary debates.
Ryan will be a good debater. He is another word salad tosser who loves adding family values to the mix. Ryan is good at saying a lot of nothing and sounding smart. The trouble is that Ryan's words do NOT match his voting record in Congress, he is really awful at "arithmetic". Ryan's voting record will be his weak spot.
I hope we will have four quality debates; they usually are well done interesting. I do hope that the moderators interject when candidates stray off the questions although I think sometimes the questions can be lame and I don't blame the candidates for changing the subject. Let's hope all the questions are smart ones requiring a little more than boiler-plate answers. Remember Sarah Palin said she'd answer the questions she wanted to. This time the moderators will likely be prepared for that--at least I hope so.
Hawkeye State for Obama/Biden 2012 - 4 more for 44!
Welcome back Bev. 98% percent of these right wing low information folks should be in the lockup . However, those people, I just put on ignore.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CLARA! "Celebrate, celebrate, dance to the music."
No, you were on “To Catch a Predator”.
Welcome back GF!
Thanks Fuzzy!
Only the good die young, dontcha know? ;o)
Many... many thanks to ALL of you for your warm welcome back wishes yesterday!
You sure know how to make a girl *blush*
Da Noid
Fascinating...once again the only voter fraud that the GOP seems intent on stopping is the stuff they themselves commit.
Da Noid, In MYTH"S world everything is a Misnomer!!!
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Now and again, we can get pretty cutting with our remarks. For this, we suffer punishments at the hands of those who run the Vine. There's the occasional suspension and some times an outright ban.
As most of us know, Feisty took quite the hand slap last week. When she returned yesterday, quite a few people made it clear they were glad to see her back. She has a new avatar, as some of you might have noticed, in remembrance of the departed PhinePhancy.
Along comes one of the most vile posters to ever disgrace the Vine - elliot 3020456. I urge you to check his venomous posts at this link: http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/26/14114167-dueling-ohio-events-set-stage-for-campaigns-home-stretch
The Vine will not ban him, however we have the "ignore" button at our fingertips. This bottom-feeder has absolutely nothing of value to offer.
Hey MYTH; What About That Bump You, Fox News, and The Right Wing Have A Problem With?
Here it is.
Look--->>> http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/10/2012/09/23/119139_600.jpg
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Hold own to your "Magic Underwear"; they're on fire!
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David, I would put Elliot on ignore, But, I need the humor. The guy has mental issues, but his crazy rants are sometimes funny.
Sally
Xabre banned, re-reg of banned user Ruken.
Poor little Ruken.
What is it you folks say about how pathetic it is to see people trying to game the system?
Running around the magical mystery bus calling his possible boss "the stench" isn't a very good way to start off a relationship! lol
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Looks like Nasty DumbFux is the latest lefty liberal moron that was taken in by Roger Simon’s Politiico satire piece. She’s in good lefty liberal mega-moron company including MSDNC’s Larry O’Donnell and Daily Kos.
Good way to start your first day back Nasty.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Roger Simon wrote in Politico Wednesday that Paul Ryan's new nickname for Mitt Romney is "Stench," a number of news outlets — from MSNBC to Mediaite — took it seriously.
Simon told BuzzFeed: "Some people always don't get something, but I figured describing PowerPoint as having been invented to euthanize cattle would make the satire clear. I guess people hate PowerPoint more than I thought."
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/some-people-didnt-really-understand-that-romney
Feisty & Bev,
Good to see you back. Not chastened, I hope.
Happy Birthday to Jody, Newday & Clara!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
it's the decomposing body of Paul Ryan's career
Amen David!
Fuzzy
Fuzzy , that gives me a warm feeling. Thank you. Let's not forget to keep an eye on the Right wing nut job station (aka FOX NOISE), the WND site (World Nut Daily), other propagandist right wing media, and "MYTH's" continual decline.
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Bill in Fairfax -- When all else fails blame the media, right Bill? Is that all you got? Pitiful, just pitiful.
Welcome back Bev!
Happy Birthday Clara!
Cheers girls!
JoAnnaSmith1
Nice spin JAS1. Demand for long-lasting manufactured goods plunged because of a huge drop in volatile commercial aircraft orders.
I guess Americans don't buy as many planes as they used to....
Did you check your magic underwear?
So what do you recommend, that we not count that?
You guys all argue 'til you're red in the face about which bozo is better than the other and fail to realize you're arguing about two sides of the same coin. The only real differences being ideological fantasies that never come to fruition and who you consider to be the "lesser of two evils." If we continue the status quo of voting for the lesser of two evils, we're still left with nothing but evil in the end.
ROBAMNEY:
Pro SOPA
Pro NDAA
Pro Drone Strikes
Pro War
Pro Patriot Act
Anti Fiscally Responsible
Pro Current Income Tax Policy
Pro Federal Reserve
Anti Job Growth (based on results)
Pro Stimulus
Pro Foreign Aid
Pro Deficit Spending
Pro War on Drugs
Etc, etc.
Vote the status quo or vote:
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front
Jesus Feisty, the Stench story was a hoax, but the "in the Tank for Obama Media" wanted to believe so badly that it was true that they ran with it.
Now they, and you, look like idiots.
Didn't you have access to the Intraweb while you were in re-hab?
Seems the re-hab stint didn't do you much good, eh?
Jack in Portsmouth, cheers for that post! Scott Brown's first comments out of the block at the debate with Elizabeth Warren was to denigrate her heritage. Disgusting, but it did reveal the real Scott Brown; he might as well have handed his Senate staffers and campaign staff the tomahawks and played the background chant.
David Walker, well said and factual. Agree, it is wrong to collapse/delete posts such as Fairfax Bill's. I may not agree with him but his posts should not be collapsed/deleted.
Beverly, WELCOME BACK. We missed you!
There's another explanation: Incompetence. The Obama administration is simply too incompetent to report the facts to the American public. How many billions do we spend on intelligence? Seems all those dollars are wasted if they couldn't use their intelligence to realize the anniversary of 911 was a target date...
One more explanation: Dishonesty. To use a cartoon video as the reason for the attacks was completely disingenuous. To take a cartoon that was available 5 months ago and use it for the reason our diplomats were murdered was the administration pulling the wool over the eyes of the American public. Then to state the attacks weren't planned and organized was nothing but an outright lie.
You liberals want this? Figures.
Cleanup at Feisty's laptop! LMAO!
Here I thought it was all those fish he's been feeding! ☺
No @!$%# Sherlock!
I see you're still desperately trying to be relevant! lol
Some things will never change...
PS: I wasn't in re-hab, I was in the Newsvine "clink" - get your stories for cryin out loud!
Joe in Albany
Looks like Nasty DumbFux is the latest lefty liberal moron that was taken in by Roger Simon’s Politiico satire piece. She’s in good lefty liberal mega-moron company including MSDNC’s Larry O’Donnell and Daily Kos.
Good way to start your first day back Nasty.
Joe in Albany, isn't a pity you can't find somewhere to go? Can we see some of your alternative GOPolitico stories now? The ones that make you LOL your rump off .
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President Romney. I like that.
I can't forget the giddy liberals on the night of the Wisconsin recall election. They were just as positive of beating Walker as they are of beating Romney in November. Problem was the election ended so soon with their exit polling looking like another lefty lie. Look back sometimes and you will see what's headed your way. The shellacking will continue in November. But go ahead and LEAN FORWARD libs, you'll be easier to spank.
I think Obama should approach the final weeks of this campaign as if the far right's voodoo statistics weren't the total rubbish they truly are and polls showed the race either was a tie or Romney was ahead. Slacking off on campaigning or not bringing his best game to the debates might cost him the election.
Mitt Romney Giving Aid to an Enemy?
Mitt Romney is well known as a flip-flopper. Abortion, climate change, health care... You name it, he has two opposing opinions. But now it's getting more serious.
Last March, Romney labeled Russia as "Our number-one geopolitical foe." If that's what they really are, then why in blue blazes would he invest his own money in Russian firms??!!
Despite his avowedly hawkish stance towards Russia, Romney purchased shares in Russian firms in 2011 through his equity fund. According to media reports on his 2012 tax returns, Romney invested in Russian energy giant Gazprom, as well as Russian Internet search engine Yandex.
Now we know the real reason why Romney was so reluctant to release his tax forms. Thought nobody would read the fine print until after November 6th. He must have not known how well our side follows the money.
And let's not forget another eventual flip-flop if Romney were to win the election. Romney, along with the rest of the GOP, wants us all to believe they are the "low tax" party. But if our relationship with Russia were to fall apart, we'd be looking at a restart of the Cold War at a minimum. (more missiles, jets, submarines, espionage, on and on...) This is something that would have to be paid for on a pay-as-we-go basis. There's just no way it could be funded by adding to the national debt. We haven't paid for the last two wars yet. A massive tax hike would be the only way.
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Wrong move; Wrong move; you made a wrong move "MYTH". Let's not forget China!!!
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...and since the President is currently ahead in all the polls, we might be justified in assuming that Obama/Biden will get the majority of the early votes.
In just 40 more days, we'll no longer have to listen to the Mutt yapping. The Stench will be silenced. The Robot will be unplugged. Romney will return to focusing on the thing he loves above all else: his money.
Romney's lying, pandering and flip-flopping will be just a footnote in the history books.
I can't wait!!!
JoAnnaSmith1
Let's see, keep sending jobs to other countries, keep blocking bills that reward companies for bringing jobs back to USA; keep f*cking over the vets that come back after giving up their lives & health; take away middle class tax deductions; give seniors vouchers that won't even cover their medical premiums; start new wars that require trillions of dollars; keep giving away unfunded tax cuts + payout billions of dollars in interest alone; take away student loans; etc, etc, etc..and I can guarantee you that no need for planes is going to be least of your worries.
What you righties don't realize every time you speak of job creators as the most important thing in the world, is that job creators will have no need to create jobs when the 98% of Americans stop buying their Chinese crap because there is no money to spend.
Demand only matters when it's backed by purchasing power.
Thanks for the wishes, Jack. Tried not to have a birthday this year but it came anyway!
That smell, That would be the return of Fiesty's crap spewing. Jody - Care to revise yesterdays retarded statement of the Obama Administration not having the facts? As first read points out! Probably not, liberals just think thier right. Damn the facts. Now all you Democrats follow Obama's lead divert attention away from the economy and the Middle East! Thats a good sheep.
Anyone know why Obama is the elected President yet never seems to have any accountability? Any reason why he would want a second term?
Obama "I would if"
FR:
Now that the Republicans control Ohio as they did during the 2004 election, I'm wondering if it turns out that there "accidentally" aren't enough voting machines in Democratic regions of the state, just like in 2004. The number of voters who gave up and went home without voting after standing in long lines for hours was greater than Bush's margin of victory in that state. And of course, there's Florida, also under the thumb of Republicans intent on keeping as many Democrats from voting as they can.
The more people take advantage of early voting and absentee ballots, the better.
Uh Oh, Those job creators: Romney, Oops I mean "Gordon Gecko's", Success Story Staples to Close 60 Stores Worldwide!!!
Where did the employees go?
http://freakoutnation.com/2012/09/25/those-job-creators-romneys-success-story-staples-to-close-60-stores-worldwide/
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What say you (RWNJs) about "MYTH's" job creation outside the USA? I'd say MYTH's "Magical Underwear" pants are on Fire!!!
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RIP Andy Williams.
how does it go again, how do you put it (better yet Ron White).. is that because you can't fix stupid?
Apparently being an angry hate filled, FRismylife, malcontent makes you relevant
With the air waves being beyond saturated the Republicans are turning to print media.
So, here is the latest fact check from their print media ad:
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force local authorities to allow Occupy protesters to live in parks." - Pants on Fire Lie
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force Christian schools to hire non-Christian teachers." - False
"Barack Hussein Obama will .. force Christian organizations to pay for abortions." - Mostly False.
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force courts to accept Islamic Sharia law in domestic disputes." - Pants on Fire Lie.
Republicans are going to pull out the stops these last 40 days.
FR:
Didn't Romney's aides issue a press statement backing off from that? There seems to be a pattern emerging: Romney makes a moderate-sounding statement, his press aides then issue a statement saying Romney really didn't mean it, and then except for MSNBC, the press doesn't report the statement contradicting Romney's more widely publicized "moderate" comment.
A lot of moderate voters could be very surprised at what they're getting if they vote for Romney under the false impression conveyed by the media that he isn't the tool of far right extremists he really is.
Bev and Dumb Fux - welcome back from your long and hopefully successful rehab.
We are all hoping and praying that your behavior improves so something like this never happens again.
We have faith in you, please don't disappoint us. Please don't end up like your good friend Ruken/Xabre.
Jack in Portsmouth
Feisty & Bev,
Good to see you back. Not chastened, I hope.
Jack in Portsmouth
Neeeeeever, I 'm more FIRED UP.
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So glad you are back, Feisty and Beverly, we have missed you!
Clara, happy birthday, my friend, and thanks for...well you know!
Feisty and Jack, thanks for the birthday wishes! Don't mind getting older in the least, better than the alternative! Good year too, first grandchild, and daughter graduating law school! What could be better?
Poor JoAnna: time out has never helped your behavior in the least. One keeps hoping for an increase in your ability to understand the larger issues of the day, but one is constantly disappointed....
Thank you First read, for answering my question on the utter incompentence of Obama's reaction and subsequent LIES on the Libian killings. All you Democrats out thier beware of a President who cant even handle Libya leave alone Iraq and the growing threats of Eygpt, Syria, Yemen. For this President not to embrace our ONLY ally left in the region is nothing short of ignorance. For Obama not to meet with Prime Minister Netenyau is a travesty, but to have time for The View and Letterman is reckless.
40 days left and Romney is still in a daze !!!!!!!!!!
may the force be with you. I wonder why the liberals hate super pacs so much when they have NBC and FR, the Obama cheer network? Im curious to how many anti-Romney articles there will be today?
Off topic
News coming out today that Obama and his administration knew within 24 hours, that the attack on our Ambassador was a terrorist attack.
Another interesting day. If its true, a very sad day as well.
Same old same old from Obama. In fact same old playbook Democrats have been using for decades. Seems if they were serious they could have implemented some of it by now, but no need when it brings in the votes every election time. Just more of the same from Obama, nothing new, big broad brush strokes that will end with broken promises just like that past four years.
BaylLIE
Maybe we should just let Obama continue to give our money to GM to produce cars all over the world. And then don't let Americans buy those cars. Is that a good way to go as far as you're concerned? President Obama is a failure to the American people, you know it and so do the majority of Americans, you are just so blinded by your left wing agenda that you won't admit it.
Beverly in Chicago
Romney's claim to job creation is as valid as saying that people who invest in stock do it to create jobs.
Max return on investment has always been, is, and always will be the objective for companies like Bain. Job creation or job reduction is just by-product of e usually short-term investment decisions.
You be the Judge!
Mitt Romney, known Liar, admitted Tax-Cheat, probable Felon,
who only Avoided those Felony Charges by Unethically, Illegally, and Unmanly "RetroActively Retiring" ( something us Middle and Working-class can't do), from Bain Capital,
or Barack Obama, the Kind, the Goo, the Merciful.
It's Not even a Contest.
Let's make sure that Everybody, and I mean Everybody, goes out and Votes a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.
Let's Send Mitt Romney and all his Republican and Teabagging friends
"Back to the Political Dung Heap of History".
It is the Right thing to do!
FR:
Ya think? There was total chaos in the days following the attacks. Just maybe, the Obama administration said there wasn't enough information to conclude there'd been a terrorist attack because there wasn't enough information.
And why, exactly, should they have trusted what the Libyan government concluded without more evidence? I know journalists have short memory, but some of people may recall that it was the Libyan government that couldn't even protect the US consulate, and whose police might have been infiltrated by the terrorists. Maybe the US had some reason to not consider them a totally reliable source of information.
B.S. If Obama wanted to play politics with the attack, he could have done what Bush did after 9/11: immediately announce it WAS a terrorist attack regardless of any lack of evidence, and then use it as a way to silence critics by proclaiming that "they were giving aid and comfort to the terrorists."
BTW: Anderson Cooper is trying to exploit the attacks for ratings. CNN stole the Ambassador Stevens' journal from the burned-out consulate and started reporting on what was in it without saying what the source was. And last night they had three Republicans on eagerly trying to restart the controversy that Mitt Romney botched. No administration officials were there to refute the Republicans' attacks. Darn that biased liberal media.
Wow, what a rant! Talk about getting under someones skin. Who's in charge again? Oh right, some guy named Obama. The guy that can't even work with own party let alone the GOP.
Big tax raises occurring on January 1st. 2013. Think that will help that purchasing power?
Obama - 4 more for 44 - But it's really not clear why
Oh please......"broken promises" what a joke. YES I wish Obama had fought and pushed harder on certain things and sometimes I complain, but at least he tried. He tried to get stimulus passed and tried for a functional healthcare system for all Americans and tried to help people underwater on their mortgages. All the Republicans tried to do was block every plan to offer relief. Well be proud......rolls her eyes....yay you stalled our recovery good for you. Well America is on to it. Mitt insulted half the country and many of that half are his base. Meanwhile Obama is speaking up for what he believes in.....we'll just see what happens. Oh btw, I hope this campaign is fought to the bitter end....I agree with the poster who says whenever Mitt speaks, the dems get Senate seats. :)
So now you're privy to state secrets, brianb? You don't know the facts. Maybe you should withhold your judgment until you do.
As for Obama's 'incompetence', you might want to ask bin Laden how he feels about that issue. What, you say you can't ask him? Oh yes, that's right... bin Laden's bullet-riddled corpse was tossed overboard and fed to the sharks.
Ta-ta-ta-boom-de-ay!
(You don't miss him, do you???)
Try this explanation on for size: ignorant ideologues of every type don't deserve to know the truth. You can't handle the truth. There are people in the Middle East who mouth hatred over the airwaves just like Limbaugh and Beck, and you're handing them more anti-American fodder.
Let the big boys handle it, brianb. You are waaay out of your league in matters of national security.
I forgot to mention while I was in the Newsvine prison, someone who shall remain anonymous, showed me the Snuffy Suite!
If you hand out enough *couch* "favors" to the warden, he'll set up a "frequent flyer" member like Joanna in a private cell! ;o)
How many times again have YOU been there sweetheart?
We seem to have lost count!
true, sad. I dont find it interesting at all, I find it deplorable. It was a no biggy for Obama, it was a youtube vid that stirred up the idiots there, and then the no 'duh' it was a terrorist act statement yesterday.
What a sham this has been. But Bush and 9-11...
Liberals don't understand that they keep inadvertently admitting Obama is just like Bush
Post #1.60 just 7 posts above on this Thread.
that's "Barack Obama, the Kind, the 'Good', the Merciful".
Not "Barack Obama, the Kind, the 'Goo', the Merciful".
Me sorry, on that spelling mistake!
All Hail Obama!
Ruler, Master, and Overlord of all you Republicans and Teabaggers
for the next Four very long years!
Ain't Life grand?
thetotas
Thetotas - Nothing is off topic on an election year.
Bev, feisty, - welcome Back. Really. Let's hope that this civility will last.
The surpise this week we all new about was the Attack on Libya and the entire Administration hiding that the knew about it.
In a close race like this any little thing can tip it. My advise to all is that you don't look at just one Poll (NBC/WSJ) the formulas that they ar using are erroneous.
I have asked NBC FR to tell us in their words how do they get to such a percentage gap in favor of Obama.
Another surprise comes our way, soon.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Welcome back GF!
Thank you GF I'm surprised we didn't cross paths in IOWA. Iowa is turning bluer every time "MYTH" opens his trap. One lady told me-- "I've already changed my mind-- I'm voting for Obama and a straight democratic ticket."
Soon the 1% of the right wing nut jobs will regret not admitting MYTH is a lying moon bat POS.
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Feisty Redhead:
A Republican politician really did say that if Romney loses, Ryan would have to wash Romney's "stench" off if he was ever to run for higher office again. I'm not sure how much of the Politico article was just snark and how much was actually reported. The Politico article said that after he was criticized for "going rogue" by Romney's staff, Ryan replied "Let Ryan be Ryan and let the Stench be the Stench." I don't know if it's true, but it was pretty funny.
What's with both Romney and Ryan wearing jeans and white shirts, no tie. Do they think it makes them look like blue-collar working people? Maybe they should add t-shirts, and baseball caps worn backwards.
JH-479998
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Obama wrote blank, no strings-attached checks that resulted in bonuses for the executives...oh that's right he didn't. It was the Republican president that did that.
JH, "giving" is transfering something and not expecting it back. Kind of like what the government did when it "donated" $44 million to bail out Bain's GS Technologies underfunded pension plan. After which, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8 million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees.
Let me express my sincere condolences for the loss of your good friend Ruken/Xabre. You two were made for each other, kindred spirits, ones that produced vacuous comments, meaningless points, and level of incoherence matched by no other. You two were certainly soul partners, two people, thinking as one, because that's pretty much all the two of you could muster.
Ruken/Xabre will certainly be fondly remembered. Good luck moving on my friend.
Can Bev, Fiesty, Jody, Eric, you know all the Obama appoligists, name one of Obama's constituencies that has gotten better in his 4 years? Blacks nope, Hispanics nope, Women nope (-800,000 jobs), Middle Class nope (down $5,000 median income) Good Luck!!!!!!!! So I can see why you would continue to attack the other party because your guy sucks!!!!!!!
Houston!
That's the funniest part about it!
It was satire but, given today's Republican't party is full blown bat @!$%# crazy, it's believable Ryan would say something like that! lol
That's probably because you don't know how to count.
ask the 8+% unemployed and the even greater percentage underemployed. Way to hate America, Pinko.
Obama malaise is the new measure of success. FORWARD HAHAHAHA
JoAnnaSmith1
yes, we know JAS1, that "little" things like the American people and the economy don't matter us much to the Republicans as making Obama look bad.
WE know that the well being of the Vets is a blah blah blah subject to you. The Republicans only have use for other people's kids when they need to start a war. After that, those who gave up their families, jobs, homes, meantal and physical health are not as important.
We know that people like the 9/11 First responders also don't matter as much as the tax cuts for the rich do.
So JAS1, your blah blah blah comment enforces what we already know about the Republicans: most of us (btw, you are included in this) are just disposable, victims, deadbeats, and moochers.
Obama is revealing his economic plan in a two minute ad. He doesn't need even a one minute ad to outline his economic accomplishments.....because they don't exist!
geo#'s, no administration has all the facts while the crisis is still unfolding; no administration has all the facts while the protests muddy the waters. I stand by my comment yesterday. Just because YOU DON"T LIKE THE TRUTH doesn't mean it isn't the truth. Unwillingness to accept the facts or truth is what is wrong with conservatives. Your problem, geo#'s is this: "We (meaning the geo#'s) want the facts to fit the preconceptions. When they don't fit, it is easier to ignore the facts than to change the preconceptions."...Jessamyn West. That pretty well sums up the conservatives world view. Don't like the truth because it doesn't suit their narrative, ignore it, twist it, distort it and above all make those facts fit their preconceptions.
Please Bays, don't include me in your pity party. If you and your klan want to be the victims, have at it. And if you think the Vets are getting a bad deal now, wait until after January 1st when the Defense cuts, the cuts insisted on by Obama and liberals, the first thing the Liberals always want to cut, kick in.
FORWARD...in the wrong direction. HAHAHAHA!! Nice message libs
I can't wait for the first debate. What will Mitt say? No one can guess.
I will record it for future comedic relief!
Mitt just doesn't like to answer questions. The nation will be watching Mitt!
You'd better think up some good ones!
Poor JoAnna: was that supposed to be upsetting? It isn't my dear, there are so many of us to fill the void that dear Xabre leaves us.
And good for you, using the word a day method to learn and improve your use of language.
But, vacuous, JoAnna, really? One must laugh at the irony!
For anyone to compare the parties today or the Romney with Reagan is just plain silly... There is no comparison... Reagan wouldn't have anything to do with today's republican party... The party has become too radical and extreme... The blame for what has not improved in the last four years lies with the "Do Nothing Congress." They need to be voted out in November...
And what Romney said about the 47 percent of Americans, in a private fund raiser in Boca Raton, Reagan would never have said... It just showed how Romney feels about most wage earners... The middle class...
Welcome back Feisty and Bev. You were both missed. I didn't get the memo and was worried about you but Gingerbread Momma clued me in.
Eric, source please? Where did you get those quotes?
I've seen similar things over the last four years, mostly in emails shared amongst the low-info, easily mis-led ditto-heads. Were these comments printed in publications? Mailers? Emails? Where did you get them?
Sorry kiddies but Grandpa is not doing too well today and I"m going to have to let you folks handle the work load today. I know you can do it. I mostly work around the edges of the herd and pick off the strays anyway. I posted a few things earlier but I think that's it for today. You guys do the heavy lifting day in and day out.
Keep up the good fight and I'll check in when I feel a little better.
Skip
Obama/Biden 2012
Bev - welcome back!!!! We missed you!
Clara - Happy BirthDay!!!!!
Lots of meetings today so you guys play nice - no more timeouts!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
skip, I do hope you feel better.
something i wouldnt be proud of. Misinformation and downright lying? I think you might be right NDDR, there are many of you on the left to fill that void.
geo.... GOOD one!!!!
Obama can NOT run on his sorry record!!
[I]f you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from." That is what Barack Obama said when he accepted his party's presidential nomination in 2008. Four years later, it reads like a prophetic description of his re-election campaign.
See story in washingtonexaminer.com
Jody, Iowa
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CLARA! "Celebrate, celebrate, dance to the music."
Jody, Clara, and Newday wishing all of you all the joy and happiness on your special day.
Jody, I missed you too as well as everyone else. What I didn't miss was the retching from all the stooges in FOX NOOSE's entangled in FOX NOOSE's conspiracy theories.
ENJOY today Girl Friends
Here's a virtual Happy Birthday cake especially for all of you to go with your coffee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY8RHFMO-7I&feature=related
JoAnnaSmith1
you know what the difference is?
While Obama wants to keep tax breaks for the most of us; the Republicans care about the tax cuts for the top 2%.
A Republican plan was to extend all the Bush-era cuts while ending the 2009 tax breaks. And guess what, the 2009 tax breaks are:
Homebuyer Credit
Education benefits
COBRA
Home energy efficiency and renewable energy incentives
Earned Income Tax Credit - bigger in 2009 and 2010.
Additional child tax credit
Making Work Pay Tax Credit
$250 for Social Security Recipients, Veterans and Railroad Retirees
Money Back for New Vehicles
Increased Transportation Subsidy
Up to $2,400 in Unemployment Benefits Tax Free in 2009
So please spare me the drama about January 1st - because under the Republican plan, written by Sen. Hatchthe senior Republican on the Finance Committee, about 13 million families would see their tax refunds reduced, and some would see their taxes increase.
Edit:
What I didn't miss was the retching from all the stooges over @ FOX NOOSE entangled in FOX NOOSE's conspiracy theories.
JoAnnaSmith1
ahhh, yes, everyone. JAS1 also thinks that retirees, soldiers in combat, disabled, single mom or parent with 2+ kids, unempolyed, underemployed, student are to be pitied.
The more she speeks the more it makes sense why she loves Romney (who also was - and maybe as recent as 2009 - part of the no-income-tax-paying "victims")
Houston, terrific post, #1.61. "Ya think" said it all. Honestly, sometimes the media in addtion to conservative's ability to recognize that during a crisis, the explanations will change as the facts become available and as the pieces of the puzzle are put in place.
Typical Faux News. the source was? Sean Hannity? Rush Limbaugh? some guy in a bar?
I trace the Republican brain drain to the bubble of right wing news outlets they live in. Every bit of info is given an anti-liberal or pro-conservative spin.
Issues such as voter fraud are exagerated and then repeated endlessly leaving their gullible viewers (inside the bubble) thinking voter fraud is the biggest thing threatening our democracy.
Nonissues such as place of birth are taken from wacko fringe internet sites and are mainstreamed by Fox news and Donald Trump and others to convince their flock that Obama is not one of us.
False statements such as "stimulus doesn't work" and "a balanced budget will make our economy grow faster" permeate the right wing bubble, but defy the economic lessons of history. So, people such as Rick Perry decide its time to get more right wing friendly history books to brainwash their students with.
Climate change is said to be a hoax (its not) in this bubble. Obama is a socialist becomes their mantra. Its crazy inside the right wing news bubble.
Facts and accurate perspectives really do form the basis for creating information structures inside our brains for understanding the world around us.
As my comp sci professor put it so succinctly, "garbage in, garbage out".
Perfect moniker for a 10X re-reg!
Right
HarryJollyOldSoul, ? lolTick... tock...
Bev: It is great to have you back! I don't know what is was, and I am sorry I missed. Most racist bagpugs are on ignore.
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border joe
example:
Gov. Rick "The Medicare Fraud King" Scott targetting voters with "funny" sounding names.
In 2000, Bush had Little Bro to take care of him.
In 2012, Romney has the Medicare Thief to help him win.
Bays, you're confused. What is happening on January 1st is that all the so-called Bush tax cuts expire and all tax rates for all tax brackets will increase. In addition, the payroll tax cut that Obama insisted on will also expire. Add in long term cap taxes are being raised, you know, from investments people make in the US. Think that will help people invest more in US businesses? Bonus depreciation also expires (if you even know what that is), think that will help or hurt businesses? Multiple education account tax breaks also expire making it harder for families to save for their children's education. The AMT tax will include more middle-class families. Child tax credit is reduced from $1000 to $500 and so will the Earned Income Tax Credit.
And of course the Obamacare taxes start kicking in.
These aren't some plans Bays, these are all facts. This is what is going to happen. This is the way it will be on January 1st, 2013. Explain how any of these encourages businesses and consumers to improve the economy?
No drama. Just facts.
kaybeetoys said:
So now you're privy to state secrets, brianb? You don't know the facts. Maybe you should withhold your judgment until you do. Doesn't take a lot of intelligent judgement to realize that the Muslims will use 911 as a target date from now into infinity against the United States. It's been happening since the year after 911. Why wasn't our embassy protected better Kaybee? Why wasn't our Ambassador listened to when he sent in his warnings? What state secrets do I need to know other than his cry for help was ignored and he ended up DEAD? Remember KayBee - dead is dead! Doesn't seem to matter to you one iota... because you shill for Obama especially when he's wrong.
As for Obama's 'incompetence', you might want to ask bin Laden how he feels about that issue. What, you say you can't ask him? Oh yes, that's right... bin Laden's bullet-riddled corpse was tossed overboard and fed to the sharks.
Ta-ta-ta-boom-de-ay!
(You don't miss him, do you???)
What bullet entered into Bin Laden's body that was fired by the coward Obama? Was he there? Nooooo.. he was safely hunkered over his knees watching from thousands of miles away... while the TROOPS did the wet work. Now that's bravery for you...
Try this explanation on for size: ignorant ideologues of every type don't deserve to know the truth. You can't handle the truth. There are people in the Middle East who mouth hatred over the airwaves just like Limbaugh and Beck, and you're handing them more anti-American fodder.
Let the big boys handle it, brianb. You are waaay out of your league in matters of national security.
You're rambling. Obama IS incompetent. You just don't want to admit it. In fact you can't admit it because you have an Obama Worship Complex. You have a serious problem of blindness when it comes to Obama... he can't do no wrong... he's always perfect... anyone who disagrees with Obama is the enemy. In fact anyone that sees any imperfection needs to be shut down and tossed out into the corn field.
It must be a wonderful life to walk around thinking that Obama will protect you, take care of you, and treat you like you are his own special little child... all the while your blindness won't let you see how he's screwing this country and you in particular.
Skip, feel better soon; always enjoy your comments.
So FOX Newless Noise is floating a conspiracy theory that the Obama administration knew it was a terrorist attack right away. Well, does that mean that the protests weren't happening and muddying the investigation waters? Surprise, surprise. Never occurs to the FOX pea-brains that suspecting a terrorist attack without knowing for sure until the puzzle pieces are put together, waiting until the proof is there is what smart people do. The only people who will believe FOX's latest conspiracy theory are those who believe the moon is made of green cheese and that Martians periodically come to earth to abduct people! Oh, wait, maybe that's what happened to Mitt, the Martians substituted a robot. Well, it makes as much sense as what FOX says.
DO 'FACTS' HAVE A LIBERAL BIAS?
It seems like you can't make it through even one thread on First Read without some Conservative poster whining about the evil "Main Stream Media" that is skewing polls, ignoring facts, and generally misleading the American public about President Obama.
So who or what makes up this "Mainstream Media"?
The TV networks - ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox? The "big three" of ABC, NBC and CBS are all major corporations who are far more concerned about making money than making a political statement. Anyone who thinks they would jeopardize future advertising revenue in order to make a political statement really doesn't understand how ratings, ad revenue, or television in general works.
Cable TV? Fox News is the dominant leader, with CNN and MSNBC far behind in ratings. So despite its protestations conservative -dominated Fox News is the MSM, at least on cable TV.
Radio? Conservative talk shows like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Glen Beck, Neil Boortz and Laura Ingraham are all in the list of the top 12 radio programs. There are NO liberal or progressive radio shows are in the top 25.
Newspapers/print? Only two newspapers have over 2 million subscribers, the USA Today and the Wall Street Journal. So obviously the conservative-leaning WSJ is part of the MSM.
Face it, Conservatives. Conservative voices are heard at least as often as LIberal/Progressive voices, and make up more than their fair share of the "Main Stream Media".
Fox News and the WSJ have input into major polls, and their results are NOT out of line with the other major polling organizations.
"Liberal MSM Bias" is a myth perpetuated by Conservatives who don't like to hear facts that don't agree with their beliefs and pre-formed conclusions.
Conservatives, please try to remember that just because you don't agree with the FACTS it doesn't mean they are biased.
Back at the original post in this thread, that former Obama appointee, Ambassador to China John Huntsman, would have made a great Republican candidate to challenge Obama. Intelligent, educated, articlate, former Governor with executive experience, and former Ambassador with foreign affairs experience with our major global trade "partner".
Unfortunately, he wasn't far enough to the right to even stand a chance at getting the nomination.
Sad day for the voters.
Dubya and Dick led the assault on Iraq and Killed Saddam personally.
You Betcha!
JAS1,
forgot to ask, when did Paul Ryan become a liberal? Because Paul Ryan not only voted for the cuts, he also bragged about them.
CPO Sharkey
I agree. He was the only normal one but unfortunately for him, and the Republican Party, he got eaten by the crazies.
brianb,
since it was so easy, remind me again why did Bush fail to do it?
@bayllie & CPO Sharkey,
Huntsman was the only decent one in the bunch. Of all the repub candidates, only he and Ron Paul were opposed to torturing POWs. waterboarding etc.
Anyone who believes a word that comes out of Pres. Obama's mouth deserves to get slapped. "Pres. Obama unveils plan". Whoopty-freakin-doo. Remember his plan the first time around? How did that work out? Oh ya, it didn't. Not even close. Remember how he claimed he would get the money for his welfare programs by ending the wars. Turns out that was just a blatant lie to get elected. He blew up the budget in under four years and blatantly lied to the American people. Yet the Obama infatuation still hasn't worn off. Even after 4 years of disappointment.
DON'T ELECT PRESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A COOL PERSONALITY. Elect them based on their leadership skills
No Obama 2012. That's all the lucid half of the nation really asks for.
The Politico "Stench" article was indeed satire:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-26/politico-s-paul-ryan-satire-the-joke-s-on-them.html
People fell for it who normally wouldn't because Roger Simon is a reporter, not a satirist, Politico is not the Onion, and it's not April Fools Day.
Silence. Silence. No FACTS to back Obama? Shocking! LooLoo.ser - Jody loves life with her head in the sand!
Bayllie, you are on fire today! Keep giving the RWNJs hell when they spout their phoney facts.
Brianb1956 wrote:
This from the guy who lied about being a veteran who served in a combat zone.
brianb...just out of curiousity, how do you know (not think, know) what the security status of the U.S. consulate was in Benghazi on the day it was attacked? The same can be asked about our embassy in Cairo. What do you know, as opposed to what right-wing 'news' sources have led you to believe?
Legitimate sources, please. Not conspiracy theories.
Are you really unaware that the U.S. has diplomats in every corner of the globe, in some very dangerous places? Ambassador Stevens was familiar with the people, the culture and the political climate of Libya. He spoke the language. He chose to walk among the people with very little personal security. He was not a puppet of this administration or any other. How dare you belittle what he accomplished there, the progress he made for the U.S., by diminishing him to nothing more than his death!
Did you really expect the POTUS to take part in the SEAL Team raid? Now I know you're losing it...
As for your assertion that I worship Obama, I worship NO man. I am able to recognize a great man and a great leader when I see one.
I'm not blinded by Romney's wealth, his power or his lies. That is the difference between you and me.
P.S. Get well soon, skip!
On Nov 7th, Mitt will be submitting an amendment to his 2011 tax returns to get back the rest of that charity deduction he forfeited in order to get his rate above 13%.
To the first post: The republicons have not had a new thought in decades. They are still spouting the same nonsense that they were spewing in the 1990s. The only difference is that they are old and gray now.
Even while Clinton was talking about balancing the budget and creating budget surpluses, all they were talking about was tax cuts for the aristocracy.
What has been the legacy of those republicon policies? Record foreclosures and the Great Recession coupled with a do nothing Congress that sets new records for filibusters.
D = Drive forward to progress
R = Reverse to the ditch
There were more comments here about a person getting off a BAN then the actual topic listed.
More proof liberals are why we suffer.
I HOPE I finish my BAN, for violating the Rules, so I can CHANGE to be better...
how moronic it is when people cheer on criminals and HONOR CODE VIOLATORS
I'm still trying to figure out how this guy got elected. He's a thief. I sure as hell didn't vote for him.
RTFS
thank you -
you can present all the facts you want but as the Romney camp stated, they won't allow facts to dictate their agenda
fuzzy44
wasn't it like $65 billion that Columbia/HCA stole from Medicare while Rick Scott was the CEO? And out of all states, FL elects him as governor - the kingdom of retirees. Blows my mind!
Judging from the shrill tenor of the comments being posted by the right wing lunatic fringe today, I'd say there must have been a special on sour grapes at Mitt's 47% Grocery and Ammo Store. The semi-literate conservatives posting here should lay off of them, though. They'll get a tummy ache.
President Obama in November! He is clearly our only rational choice!
Sailcat - A rational choice? Due explain! Please keep it to Obama's terrible record.
JAS1 -- You wrote:
Mainly due to the drought. What was revised up? Corporate profits.
Tea Oh Please Why Can't We Win update:
After seeing Joe Scarborough's "oh sweet Jesus" remarks imploring divine
intervention on behalf of their candidate, many other Tea.O.P. political
"leaders" have turned to beseeching and imploring otherwordly denizens
of deistic power for the assistance they so desperately need. Karl Rove
was overheard renegotiating with Satan for a multi-year power extension
for which Rove would acquire extra souls for his dark Lord and Master.
Frank Luntz was sent to Mordor to acquire fluency in the Black Speech,
under the brutal tutelage of the Nazgul. Mittronic Rombot's activities have
begun to reveal the existence of a large communication array concealed by
the spires of the Mormon Temple to facilitate communication with the
planet Kolob that Moroni may give guidance for electoral strategies or at
least post-election investments. John Boehner renewed worship at the
alter of Raisin Rum Cake Dada to chants of "every man his own
football". And Plop Ryan called Michelle "Batsh!t "Bachmann in hopes of
getting a "handy". And so it goes, from wishing they were "Founding
Fathers" to just "foundering farther".
T. Money Trim/A Play Run- Clean up on aisle 2012!
And Brianb says, "Blah, Blah, Blah. Blah, Blah Blah." And then he says: "Why wasn't our embassy protected better Kaybee? Why wasn't our Ambassador listened to when he sent in his warnings? What state secrets do I need to know other than his cry for help was ignored and he ended up DEAD?"
And Kaybeetoys responds, "the U.S. consulate was in Benghazi on the day it was attacked."
Kaybeetoys: That's much too subtle for Brianb. You have to hit him on the head with a hammer to alert him to his mistake(s).
And as David points out, he's all talk. Usually lies.
The reason Obama and Romney were hitting Ohio yesterday, and Virginia today is because both camps internal polls have these states as a dead heat. Dead heat races usually favor the challenger.
lol, yea ForePlinger, there is a lot of hair pulling by Republican Party people in the know over Romney's strategy for being elected.........
Kinda explains Chris Christie's speech at the convention, even though at the last minute he decided to leave out the part where he says, "Vote for me in 2016".
At least Jeb 's happy he won't have to challenge a sitting President in 2016 for his party's nomination......
David Walker says crap like this: This from the guy who lied about being a veteran who served in a combat zone.
It is now a proven fact that David Walker is either on drugs, or is a mental deficient. He makes statements like this in an attempt to... not sure exactly what his attempt was for... Since his statement is a complete fabrication he has just entered into the credibility shot zone.
Jack in Portsomethingorother said: And as David points out, he's all talk. Usually lies.
But you never disprove anything I say... so who's lying? You just don't like the fact that your arguments are totally indefensible. How many times have I responded and **FLASH** you're gone... I guess there's nothing like running away from your own BS!
Sailcat - A rational choice? Due explain! Please keep it to Obama's terrible record.
You must mean the fact the stock market has bounced back? Or the fact we aren't losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month as we were at the end of the failed Bush administration? Or do you mean the fact that housing prices are rebounding from the collapse of the housing bubble in 2008? Or perhaps you mean the death of Osama bin Laden, the draw down of troops in Iraq, or the passage of the health care act? No matter, they all work.
I just know you want to hide from Romney's multitude of asinine remarks, so I won't mention this bizarre little brain dropping:
"I love this state. The trees are the right height." —Mitt Romney, campaigning in Michigan (February 2012)
I bet you spend all your time wondering why Willard is losing this election, don't you?
Brianb1956 wrote:
Well Brianb, let's just take a look at this. Telling the truth is neither proof that one is on drugs nor that one is mentally deficient. Since you are unsure why I wrote that you lied about serving in Viet Nam, let me make it crystal clear. I wrote that to show other posters - unequivocally - that you lie.
Knowing that you lied about being a Viet Nam veteran, one might question your earlier post about President Obama being a coward. Here is a quote from you from two days ago:
You see Brianb, I take that to mean that if you haven't actually walked the walk, you have no business commenting on - in this case - how operations should be handled in a combat situation.
And then you tell us about "wet work". Give it a rest. Poseur? Liar? Both accurate.
You have to be kidding me.....
All the love from the media and Obama's surrogates are appalling when the P.M. of Israel just finished speaking at the U.N. and NOT A WORD on NBC-NDC about it. However, gotta get in another article in on Mr. Obama's LAST BID for votes.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's speech should have been the one given by Mr. Obama instead of an appeasement speech and no teeth in the containment of Iran's nuclear ambition. Hint.....Mr. Obama.....CHANGE your speech writer.
Wait a minute....maybe the girls at the View can shed some light on Mr. Obama's FAILED International policies.
Brianb,
You have been caught more than once saying you were a Viet Nam Vet, and you have been reminded by both David and me on more than one occasion that you were a Viet Nam-era Vet. The fact that you keep trying to get away with your not-so-little white lie (not so little to those of us who actually served in Viet Nam) is indicative of a warped personality. You're a wannabe, just like all those militia guys running around in cammies playing paintball.
My not responding to your absurd statements does not make me a liar. Only someone with twisted logic would make that kind of assertion.
David Walker said: Since you are unsure why I wrote that you lied about serving in Viet Nam, let me make it crystal clear. I wrote that to show other posters - unequivocally - that you lie.
But you just lied yourself. I never said I served in VietNam. So what you are telling everyone is a complete fabrication. Why you would do this is pretty clear. Your liberal views have to be superior in your mind, therefore you need to fabricate lies about someone conservative to make yourself appear superior... you can't help yourself, its in your nature... The only one you are deceiving is yourself.
Now we can put this to rest... pull the post where I said I served in Nam and repost it. This will settle the issue... but I know you can't because I never said that. Since your memory is so keen in your own eyes, I'll bet you can't even recall what I did say about me and VietNam. Honesty has a way of escaping your intentions.
Knowing that you lied about being a Viet Nam veteran, one might question your earlier post about President Obama being a coward. Here is a quote from you from two days ago
You continue your fabrication even deeper. Again, repost where I said I served in VietNam.
Come on David... be the man... be honest for once in your life... if you can't repost where I said I served in VietNam, stop spreading the lie.
I know exactly what will happen here... you will run away... you will disappear and not answer me... because David Walker, lies are the way of your life.
Jack in Portsmouth said:
Brianb,
You have been caught more than once saying you were a Viet Nam Vet, and you have been reminded by both David and me on more than one occasion that you were a Viet Nam-era Vet.
You continually boast how smart you are, but I have a tendency to believe that you could never become smart without reading comprehension.
Era is a time frame, not a location. Look it up... it would do your brain some good if you were to actually understand what you say instead of just saying it and claiming something different.
Oh, and since you are so up on your lingo... what branch did you serve in and what era was it?
David Walker redeux: You see Brianb, I take that to mean that if you haven't actually walked the walk, you have no business commenting on - in this case - how operations should be handled in a combat situation.
So let me get this straight... you fully support Obama sitting in a chair observing what we were led to believe a situation room full of people observing the live action some 3000 miles away as a great accomplishment from the president that never served in the military at all? At the same time you can't get it straight that I did serve in the military... David, simply stated, your idiotic views are completely askew. Somehow in your mind, Obama is this great military leader, without any training, or service because he called for a strike... Wow, I'd hate to work around you... your judgement could get people killed.
You can't get out of it that easily. Everyone understands that when someone says he is a Viet Nam Vet (or an Iraq War Vet or a WWII Vet) it means the person served in a combat zone. Everyone also knows that a Viet Nam-era Vet did not necessarily serve in the combat zone itself, but served somewhere during the years the war was taking place. You have said on more than one occasion that you're a Viet Nam Vet. And you have been called out. The fact that you continued to repeat these things is an indication of some kind of pathology.
I have said on other occasions when I served and in which branch. You're not worthy of my repeating it.
I haven't boasted about how smart I am; but I have insinuated that you're pretty stupid.
And while we're on that subject, why don't you just come out and admit that you're jealous of DW's intelligence. Calling someone as clear and precise as he is "a mental deficient" ranks up there with your assertions that Mitt is a paragon of nobility.
Sailcat - Housing prices have rebounded? Why record low interest rates? Why QE3? GDP revised down again, Unemployment over 8% his WHOLE term, Median home income down $5,000, Thank the republicans for a strong CIA and FBI for Osama, Obama followed Bush's withdrawl in Iraq, How about the troop increase in Afganistan?, How about the lies over Libya, Pretty small list for the Appeaser In Chief. A foreign policy nightmare awaits the next President, pray it's not Obama! Rational HARDLY!
ldo
Uh, MSNBC did a LIVE broadcast Netanyahoo's show-and-tell with the big picture of a cartoon-style bomb (a round ball with a burning fuse). He drew a red line on the bomb that apparently indicated the point at which he's going to order the President of the United States to start yet another war. There goes another rightwingnut conspiracy theory.
Let's see . . . using Brianb's "line of reasoning" about President Obama not getting credit for the death of bin Laden because (sic) "he wasn't there and didn't shoot him" then I suppose we can't give bin Laden "credit" for 9/11 - since he wasn't there and didn't fly a plane.
Next (using that line of reasoning) I guess Brianb will argue that the Seals should be charged with the murder of bin Laden.
Welcome back Feisty and Beverly, we sure missed you.
Now just sit back and enjoy the fireworks about to start in the R/R campaign. Cover your noses when the stench hits the fan.
Brianb1956:
Jack said it as clearly as it can be said. You wrote that you were a Viet Nam vet. You were not. You were a Viet Nam-era vet. YOU DID NOT SERVE IN VIET NAM. Period.
From the time George Bush said we would go after Osama bin Laden, a decade elapsed. Indeed, President Bush explicitly stated that he wasn't even worried about bin Laden. President Obama, on the other hand, explicitly stated that he would hunt down bin Laden, even if it meant going into Pakistan.
President Obama as Commander-in-Chief had the guts to order a strike, even though a number of his advisers said it was not a wise decision. That is outright courage. Yes, you got something right. I fully support President Obama's decision to order a strike on Osama bin Laden.
As far as defining yourself as a conservative, you aren't even close to accurate. You're a two-bit ideologue, a liar, and a poseur.
Don't bother to reply. I set out to show posters here exactly what you are. I'm confident I succeeded.
Michael from Pa just want's to jump in and wish Jody, Clara, and Newday a Happy Birthday. You all don't know me, but I hope you have a nice day.
Obama/Biden2012
Are you @!$%#ing kidding me??? Are you being that hypocritical??? How come I didn't hear you calling the Tea Party bastards in Congress "economic terrorists" for refusing to compromise and being willing to let America default on its debt (and send shockwaves across the global economy)???? Patty Murray and the Democrats are merely showing a backbone for once and giving the GOP a taste of their own medicine. Ever heard of the phrase "What comes around goes around bitch???"
The American economy should not be held to the whims of investors on the basis of "uncertainty." While the fiscal cliff is a big issue economically, the pain is all temporary (at worst, the recession will last for half a year), while the benefits will last until well into the next decade. Debt to GDP will shrink, and we will buy some time to deal with with the entitlement imbalances, which will be the death of us in the future. Besides, we could easily deal with the uncertainty stuff by injecting billions of dollars into the economy via stimulus to lower the contractionary effect of the fiscal cliff.
Oh boo-hoo. You Republicans started this entire mess when you failed to compromise during the debt ceiling debate, and you conservatives have even stated that America will need to address the debt ASAP. So why not let the fiscal cliff go over??? Democrats get tax increases and defense cuts; Republicans get entitlement cuts (doc fix for Medicare) and lower social spending. It's a win-win for everybody.
Oh bull@!$%#; those corporate bastards had 12 years to invest in the country with these low rates; it's not the government's job to to reward the private sector for its own stupidity.
And you can blame your fellow Republicans in Congress and yourself for not being open to compromise when talking about deficit reduction.
We've been spending for war but acting as if everything has been okay for over a decade; its time we reduce the defense budget and start looking to reform for entitlements (not privatization).
If those businesses wanted to invest under low tax rates, they should have done it when Bush cut the damn rates in 2001 and 2003. But they didn't; that proves that the tax cuts did nothing to help the economy and are just an expensive luxury that we ought to end. Besides, I thought you conservatives weren't for "ducking the tough issues?????"
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
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Welcome back Nasty. I'm looking forward to all that nastiness that you stored up during your FR imposed banishment to the convent to practice a vow of silence!!
Poor Joe...you don't seem to remember that Republicans voted to point us towards that very same cliff...including Congressman Paul Ryan!
Ms. Redhead -
Welcome back.
The trees are the right height again with you back on First Read.
(Wink).
Salud
Mitt Romney’s plan has been laid out:
Statism: The modern administrative state entangles businesses in a suffocating web of regulations and laws. All of this red tape takes a toll on the economy, which in turn leads to fewer jobs being created. And fewer jobs means fewer
opportunities for those most in need of jobs.
The rise in income inequality in recent decades has in no way contributed to these problems. They grow out of ill-conceived government policies, point to the
complete failure of government to address some of our social problems and, in
the case of the collapse of the family, are deep-seated cultural problems
encouraged and made worse by governmental policies.
The United States must remain what it has always been: the Land of Opportunity. Misguided efforts to use government to transform it instead into the Land of Income Equality will inevitably leave us all worse off. Our first priority must therefore be to refocus the national conversation and our nation’s policies on the promise of upward mobility that is at the heart of the American Dream.
Obama’s plan has also been carefully laid out: 'More of the same!' lol
Romney/Ryan for Change America Wants
Hey Joe in Albany, yeah I got the nice welcome yesterday when someone brought up spanky and I. I quote : "F*ck those two asswipes"
Hey Feisty, Heavy is the head that wears the crown
With the air waves being beyond saturated the Republicans are turning to print media.
So, here is the latest fact check from their print media ad:
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force local authorities to allow Occupy protesters to live in parks." - Pants on Fire Lie
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force Christian schools to hire non-Christian teachers." - False
"Barack Hussein Obama will .. force Christian organizations to pay for abortions." - Mostly False.
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force courts to accept Islamic Sharia law in domestic disputes." - Pants on Fire Lie.
Republicans are going to pull out the stops these last 40 days.
Every once in a while Feisty actually posts something worth reading, the start to this thread is one of those rare moments.
Romney says polls only work when he's ahead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Romney is a 4 to 1 underdog and it's getting worst by the day !!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if Carrot top had to wear one of those orange jumpsuits during her 'drying out' period! All that orange color.... she must have looked very much like a pumpkin!
Thank you Tomas!
The answers my friend, are blowing in the wind! ;o)
Salud!
The McCain campaign blamed "the media" as well:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3612 From October 2008
OK, is me? Does anyone see plan in those 5 points? I see generic talking points that could be stated by either candidate.
"Our failing public schools deny countless children the rudimentary skills they need to move ahead in the life." Really? Who disagrees with that? A "PLAN" would be how to fix it!
Remind me never to ask Mitt for directions. They would consist of:
1. Get in a car
2. Don't run out of gas
3. Take a left at that tree that is just the right height
4. Drive till you get there
5. Once you're there, I'll give you the street names
Note to Mitt: if someone is running a campaign to reform the tax code and is asking for my vote/trust, they better be willing to show me their returns!
Mr. Obama's SPENDING and TRANSFORMATION PLAN has been laid out:
telecommunications, drinking water, wastewater, and other infrastructures.”
Barf.
Right wingers blame liberal media bias for Romney's problems and never consider that maybe the problem is the message and not the messenger. The radical agenda of the far right which now drives the republican party doesn't even appeal to main stream republicans much less moderate independents. The more the Limbaugh's, Ryan's and their cohorts spew their hate the more support they lose. Their hero Reagan who passed 11 tax increases couldn't even get elected today.
Great; another Ayn Rand enthusiast. While I do not support total statism (aka Stalinist Communism), I (and any other rational person) acknowledge that there is a relatively large role that the federal government must play in the economy, whether it be regulating the industries and protecting the environment to reducing the cost of externalities and preventing the development of a "too big to fail" industry.
While I'm definitely not a social conservative, I have to admit that not being in a two-parent household can have some detriments to a child (primarily the lack of both sides of the coin and the difficulty of raising a child single-handedly while working). Then again, as a society expands its views on marriage, people are bound to break the old standards. Eventually, people will move back to a two-parent household, if poverty among single-parent household increases dramatically.
Oh bull@!$%#. Welfare is not as generous as it supposedly once was, and even if it is you have to WORK in order to get welfare, thanks to the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. And by the way, a vast amount (perhaps a majority) of the welfare funds goes to CONSERVATIVE states in the South, so don't blame liberals for conservative dependency.
Oh great. You have got to be kidding me. The reason the poor cannot take advantage of the "opportunities" that America offers is because they can't afford to go to college, can't afford to buy decent health insurance; hell, many of them can barely feed their damn families. It is well known that America leads the world in the belief that we have a lot of upward mobility yet has less economic mobility than "socialist Europe" and Canada. You can thank deregulation of the economy and the fall of unions (which is leading to the stagnation of median wages) for that.
I agree that the current education system is flawed; however, charter schools and "school choice" don't seem like viable options. Most charter schools are performing at-or-below public school attainment levels, and why should the government subsidize the competition (private schools) when it could simply fix the public system itself???? I say give the feds more control, transfer funding to the federal government, endorse merit-based pay, increase education standards, but lessen emphasis on standardized test scores and look to actual education attainment via basic and advanced skills.
Well, technically there is a solution to this fiscal crisis: the fiscal cliff. Just let the Bush tax cuts expire and the automatic cuts to take place and we have a reduced debt over the next decade. That will also buy us some time to fix entitlement programs.
Actually, the rise of economic inequality has contributed greatly to a lack of upward mobility, the financial crisis (as wealth was sucked toward the wealthy in the form of tax cuts and deregulation), and growing poverty levels. Public education is merely a byproduct of years of neglect.
Income inequality has occurred because of TAX CUTS TO THE RICH. More tax cuts will only worsen the fiscal crisis and income inequality. We need to start changing our entire perspective on things like decentralized education, healthcare, and economic policies. THAT will fix the economy, not more Ayn Rand-style economics.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
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Finally Albany Joe said something intelligent!
With the air waves being beyond saturated the Republicans are turning to print media.
So, here is the latest fact check from their print media ad:
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force local authorities to allow Occupy protesters to live in parks." - Pants on Fire Lie
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force Christian schools to hire non-Christian teachers." - False
"Barack Hussein Obama will .. force Christian organizations to pay for abortions." - Mostly False.
"Barack Hussein Obama will ... force courts to accept Islamic Sharia law in domestic disputes." - Pants on Fire Lie.
Republicans are going to pull out the stops these last 40 days.
Joe 3.0 has just quoted Obama's words to Morsi of Egypt, Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan and Magariaf of Libya and let's don't forget our real friend in the middle east Netanyahu.
Lest we forget Barry the spineless coward has ignored meeting all 4 of these leaders, choosing instead David Letterman and The View to express his limp wrist response to the death of our Ambassador to Libya and the other Americans who were brutally murdered! Obama has brought shame to the USA!
Eric 913730 nice spam job.
Mega Rich trickle down their Peanut shells, this is Nuts !!!!!!!!!!
Won't spamming the same post get a slap or suspension?
Hi Caesar, thank you very much !!!
Usually one or two gets closed. This way my messages is maintained.
Have a good day !!!
Eric-913730 is a .50 cent Chinese twitter censor....which mean he knows nothing but continues to spew Obama and the Progressive rhetoric, or take the easy route and cut and paste.
Seems he backed off "The Stimulus worked and saved 3,500,000 jobs" comment since he finally realized that the Stimulus didn't work and the "shovel ready" jobs were not so "shovel ready" and it cost the American taxpayers about $ 864,000,000,000 (new CBO estimate) NOT INCLUDING INTEREST PAYMENTS.
She's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
You folks on the right know that President Obama is going to crush Willard and it's driving you even more crazy.
I'm on the Left and am sad it only has a few weeks left.
I'll have to go back to my Mr. Ed videos for good laffs again.
The voice of Carter, the laffs are on Romney, Bucket up it's going to be a fun ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would think with all the ad spending concentrated in a few battleground states, the laws of diminishing returns has to kick in as people tune out the ads. In that case, with Willard's campaign imploding and the Senate up for grabs, Obama would be smart to try and expand the map by advertising in AZ, IN, MT, and MO and try to rally the vote for the democratic senator candidates there. Who know, another Willard implosion and Obama could very well actually carry one or more of those states. It also would put Willard in a bind, do we respond or let Obama have the air waves in those states to himself.
PS Bucket, you can always look at Boehner crying videos on You Tube for a laugh.
09-27-12
The newest research from Nate has it as the NOV 6 factors:
“Obama chance of winning 81.9% Romney 18.1%”
“Projected Winner Obama 315.9”
“Projected Loser Romney 222.1”
Popular Vote:
Obama 51.3% Romney 47.6%
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However, if the election was being voted in “Now Cast” Today:
Totals
“Obama chance of winning 98.7% Romney 2.2%”
“Projected Winner Obama 337.2”
“Projected Loser Romney 200.8”
Popular Vote:
Obama 52.1% Romney 46.6%
R - 52%
O - 46%
It seems that Job1 is running on a sugar high because he read some slanted polling data. Keep on believing, hold on to that feeling.... Up and down the boulevard...
I gotta agree with you Obama will win, very sad day for America! Hopefully the Rebs keep the house and NOTHING Obama wants done gets done. The party of NO, No to higher taxes to pay for libs with their hands out. No to Obamacare, No to running up the defict. NO NO NO! Love those libs take take take No work I'm ENTITLED! I feel real bad for the Libs no pride in themselves at all!
Job1 - keeps reporting only on the same Pollster. Most see this as a very close race.
Rasmussen has it pretty much at 46% for both and just to give you some balance HuffPost has it at 4% for Obama. Don't know where NBC and others are above 8% for Obama.
2012 Senate Balance of Power
Rasmussen Reports - Senate Balance of Power
Held/Safe Republican 43
Leans Republican 2
Toss-Up 7
Leans Democrat 7
Held/Safe Democrat 41
HuffPost Model Estimate
Currently tracking 468 polls
Updated 10 minutes ago
Hopefully the "Party of No" doesn't drive us off a financial cliff in January.......
Sometimes The People expect their government to accomplish something.
oreo - it's just that mentality that has kept the country from recovering faster. Hopefully we'll vote out as many of the obstructionists in the Republican party to actually get work done and the country moving forward faster.
Obama/Biden 2012
Want to put some money on those numbers Jobbed1? Obama bucks don't count!
I would hope that most of you know by now that Job1 is quoting Nate Silver, a blogger for the NY Times who uses an aggregate polling method to deterine the most statistically likely outcome.
Nate Silver uses the latest polls but makes adjustments for factors such as economic outlook, post-convention bounces, and historical trends.
I recommend you read his blog and look into how he makes his predictions before you discount his numbers.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com
Concern -
Rassmussen is an outlier, and they have been proven historically to be both inaccurate and Republican-leaning. They have a questionable methodology which except for the 2008 presidential elections has been very misleading - overstating Republican strengths by an averge of around 5%.
If you adjust for the 4-5% Republican bias they are in line with other polls.
oreo-1091576
When you read your own words do you think you might have a problem with the democratic process? You seem to be saying that it is a sad day for America when the majority expresses an opinion in opposition to the minority's. Isn't that the point? Isn't the point of our democratic process to find peaceful resolution to differences as we protect the rights of the minority?
Isn't a win by either candidate the clear expression of the electorate that they agree with the position and vision of the person they voted for? Doesn't that count for anything? Oreo, it baffles me how you and so many others on the right can preach the gospel of American exceptionalism when clearly, you have no respect for the opinions of the majority of your exceptional countrymen.
Call their bluff! Let the lemming republicons run off the cliff. Lol, help push them over! Goodby and good riddance to a bad lot.
Also, that means that those party over country slaves to Emperor Norquist will no longer be held hostage to their pledge to him. Then they will be free from Emperor Norquist and can start serving America again and perhaps we can fix the unAmerican things they have done, like repeal the republicon law giving tax cuts to corporations that export American jobs. The Democrats have tried to repeal that POS twice now and the republicons have filibustered them twice.
Remember that when you vote and vote for America.
O & Joe 2012.
LOL! The dimwits yhave no clue who Nate is.
"The Romney campaign has yet to find a thematic way of explaining itself and laying out in a clear, crisp way the difference between Romney and Obama and I think that frankly is a problem."
"The campaign doesn't seem to be able to pivot and say, you know, John Kasich's doing the right stuff here in Ohio and I want to take John Kasich's model to Washington because Kasich is for a smaller government, less regulation, more American energy, pro-jobs."
"They seem to have this overly methodical model where they go out and keep saying the same thing, and the world's too fluid. The world's too sophisticated for that."
"There's plenty of ammunition. A campaign which made that case clearly enough would carry Ohio and Florida by big margins."
- Newt Gingrich, CNN's The Situation Room, 9/26/2012
If Ohio is so pro-job why is half the state working in Michigan?
I'm just sayin....
All Barak has to do at the debate is refer to Sarah Palin, evidently.
She's like KRYPTONITE to Romney supporters. Just review my posts on the First Read thread.
Like Bug Spray, try it!
Romney's attempts to suddenly appear "sympathetic" are laughable. If a guy has to be that desperate before he starts to even try to show some humanity, he's not the type of person to sit in the Oval Office. We all know the president isn't perfect, but at least he knows what it's like being down on your luck.
It's doubly laughable because his proof of empathy is Massachusetts' health care reform...the thing the GOP hates most!
FAKE empathy coming from the Willard camp.
Romney has a serious problem trying to appear sincere. The man could tell me he was eating a sandwich, and even if I could see the sandwich in his hand, I wouldn't believe him.
Clearly Romney doesn't know the difference between empathy and sympathy. He has neither.
It has been awhile since I have voted for anyone. I do vote against people. I am one of those people that conservatives think they are representing and speaking for. They do not and I am voting against Romney. I cannot be sold Obama except to say I am sold off of the republican party. Until they become competent again and stop being so mean spirited I don't even want them on my television. You would think Obama was Satan and that the other democrats were his minions. It has gotten so childlike that the argument has become "If you think we are bad look at the other guys." I wouldn't stand for that from my children. I long for days when the Republican party had decent men of character and intelligence. Now all they can say is that they are misunderstood because the media picks on them. I don't know if that is true or not but they sure make themselves an easy target. Hopefully, they will burn themselves out. Republicans and democrats have put us in this mess and both sides refuse to admit any involvement. They are children.
A vote for Romney seems to be asking for no, confirming, a LOT of changes, right away.
IF I liked him a lot personally, I still couldn't go for that.
Ron - Your right. I have voted Republican in the past as well. I just cannot support voting for a group who signs pledges to third parties (Norquist), gives no concrete plans on how they will reduce the deficit, while lowering taxes, uses sound bites, Like "We don't apologize for America", or "We are going to take our country back". They just seem like a bunch of empty suits with nothing to say. Romney spouts off about how he will put America back to work, but there are no details.
There are so many more issues with the Republicans that just turn most of us off, women's rights, separation of church and state, war mongering, and just not doing what is right for the American people as a whole. It has not gone unnoticed.
Well, the problem is we have outsourced so much of our manufacturing base to low wage/low regulation countries that our standard of living is in decline.
There are no details, period, on how to increase employment with jobs that do not involve Americans working for lower wages and benefits.
Those industries are gone, and they are not coming back. Not until the wage base in the US has dropped enough to be competitive with third world countries.
It's a global economy, and business will pursue the option of manufacturing in the lowest cost areas.
Why should Apple produce it's latest and greatest gizmo in a high cost factory in the US? Consumers lined up to pay top dollar this week for the new Iphone, Apple made a huge profit, and when their Chinese labor rioted at the factory the police literally applied a beatdown.
How can American jobs be created against that?
CPO: Some jobs are being insourced, locally Princeton Tec. I did not buy Apple because of the horrendous conditions at FoxxCon. I do not want to support with my tax dollars the outsourcing of American jobs.
4 more 4 44
CPO Sharkey: Are you in favor of giving big tax cuts to corporations that export American jobs? Republicons passed that law and have defended it, not once but twice, from attempts by the Democrats to repeal that POS.
OTOH, what do you think about giving tax breaks to companies that import jobs to America? That is the Democratic plan that the republicons have filibustered.
Vote for America. O & Joe 2012.
I applaud your stand Exito.
I find it absolutely amazing that Americans will stand in line to purchase the latest gadget manufactured using Chinese slave labor that is beaten into submission when they complain of working conditions.
Then these same Americans are worried about the economy and job losses in the United States.
Aren't they intelligent enough to connect the dots?
To miklkit: Obviously I am pro America and pro American jobs, however, due to my employment, I can neither support, nor slam, any partisan candidate on a public forum.
CPO - jobs should come back to the US because of distribution systems and access to specifically skilled labor and existing systems (the agglomerative effect of co-location) Granted that "skilled labor" argument doesn't apply in all cases - think Nike shoes for example.
Also the off-shoring of jobs is artificially propped up by current allowable tax deductions provided to corporation and decreased environmental regulations in third world countries.
It's a mistake to assume that environmental impacts in other countries won't eventually impact the US and in some cases sooner than later. Consider the malquidores just off the US border in Mexico for examples. The ONLY benefit to the company in that case is the fast buck and the deniability of responsibility for any direct social or environmental impacts.
Very easily. Slap a big ole giant tariff on anything manufactured outside of the US.
Problem solved.
...so, Republicans, you have a few hours to practice your bitching about "deliberate" oversampling.
o-bum-a wants to win using smoke and mirrors. President Mitt Romney already has won!!!
Spoken like a Palin supporter, they know!
You folks on the right know that President Obama is going to crush Willard and it's driving you even more crazy.
woo hoo!!!!!!
I'm not sure whether to be shocked by the crazy idea that Romney can win or the crazy idea that someone actually wants him to do so.
Economic Patriotism
From the article above:
The majority of Americans are ready to roll up our sleeves and get behind you, Mr. President.
We need to double our efforts to get out the vote, to Re-Elect President Obama and TAKE BACK THE TEA PARTY OBSTRUCTIONIST HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
We can do it. We will do it. America will lead the world out of this economic stagnation.
FORWARD!
Salud
Vote a Straight Democratic Ticket!
Obama/Biden 2012
Joe and that guy they called The Messiah, 2012.
People calling Barak that used to tick me off.
Then I realized it would tick THEM off worse if I decided he WAS.
Job1
This is excatly what is wrong with this country, and people that vote just for their party not knowing each person history.
Some of the people don't even know who Biden is. Incredible.
concern....any one who would vote a straight party ticket is a real DOLT!!
Ya might as well give up your vote, the party tells ya what to do, right comrade??!!!
Biden is the drunken idiot that tried to get the guy in a wheel chair to stand up!!!. off teleprompter again! .. a bunch of geniuses!!
... concerned cit .... i know the candidates and the history, i do the research and based on what i've seen and heard from the candidates themselves; as well as the party and what i've read on here (on all these pages) ... one just has to read the posts on this site and realise people who vote for mitt are DELUSIONAL and i can only come to one conclusion Obama is the Man !
- obama - truth, straight forward and to the point ! Presidential !
- mitt - delusional at best, deception, vague, dogs on the roof, airplanes with roll down windows, 47% bums (veterans, elderly, children and hard-working poor, etc), 533 lies, flip-flops, planet kolob, lyan ryan, idiot akin, just too much drama for nothing ... i seriously cannot see mitt as a leader of anything .... he and the republicans are clearly delusional !
OBAMA 2012
There ARE no Republicans here, or anywhere to be found. None that will call themselves such, anyway.
The Grand Old Party ended.
I'm a republican and your a Liberal. I have pride in myself, you do not. I work for a living, you do not. Grand old party is going strong. Obama will get in and business's will hurt even more. I will lay-off as many as I need to to pay for Obama taxes. I cannot expand now because Obama will probably get it. Libs don't care about working people because you all have your hands out looking for a free ride.
Oreo, how do you know Bucket doesn't work? Such assumptions....
BRAVO.
YOU have guts that are severely lacking display in your party right now.
I applaud you, and please know, I'm an EX Republican.
I'm 50, I OWN a Corporation, Air-Sharp.
I pay BARELY more taxes than Romney does!
I have been in my bathrobe almost constantly since March 2007.
I am HAPPY to pay TWICE what I'm paying to keep Obama, because Romney's a FAKER.
Over the course of two days on MANY forums, only ONE person said they were a Republican online.
Oreo has Brass, the good kind.
(except when angrily calling names, see below)
DANG IT, I LOVE America, and I want what's best for IT, not my own wallet.
And that's all Romney's trying to appeal to.
Bucket, you are what I love about America, a man who has succeeded but who puts the good of the country as a whole before his own self interest. People like you give me hope for this country.
oreo - what a totally inept post. I work and pay taxes. I'm a very happy person and take a great deal of pride in what I do and who I am. Everyone I know works - no one is getting government assistance. However, if anyone needs assistance during a time of economic crisis like we're going through, I would never put them down.
You sound like a dreadful excuse for a person. If you actually own a company my guess is your employees are miserable!
Obama/Biden 2012
I also take exception with the Democrats/Obama supporters don't work or understand the concept of business.
I co-founded an engineering firm specializing in underwater imaging devices in Ft. Worth TX in 1988. My partner was a lifelong Republican, I a Democrat. We came together because of a mutual LOVE for excellently designed and engineered products. We really didn't care or debate our personal politics all that much because we were working to improve an industry which was mired in the technology of the 1950s while living in the 1980s.
I have told this story at length on the vine too many times, so here is the short(er) take with regard to this current meme of Democrats/Obama supporters do not understand the concept of work.
It took us 3 years to test and improve our devices so that they worked for the purpose they were designed for (Oil and gas exploration and defense). After all that work and money from outside investors (over 2 million) we eventually obtained two US patents on our devices. Ultimately (1997) we sold the whole organization to Halliburton Industries. This was way before they got involved with Cheney/Dresser Industries and almost went out of business. We did not REALLY wish to sell out, but "circumstances" at the time led to the sell out.
In the 9 years we functioned, we were able to employ as many as 25 people, some of them were tech assembly workers earning between $25-40 per hour. two of them were high powered "sales" people with years of experience in the industry and were paid about 4 times what we two owners paid ourselves. ($100,000/yer vs $25,000/yr). The first time I had to interview one of them and realized I would be paying them much more than I pay myself, I almost demurred, but was made to realize the only way we would be able to sell the product was with these gentlemen's knowledge and connections. BTW, back then, we were able to offer FULL health care benefits paid 100% by the corporation, no employee contributions were required.
We paid back the initial outside investment of 2 Million during the 5th year of operations and ultimately the investors earned 300% ROI after the sell out. We, the owners realized about 500% ROI based on our investment PLUS sweat equity. We paid much higher taxes on income and corporate earnings back in the 1990s, but were able to thrive and survive until we were "encouraged" to sell out. Now, I have done well in life, and attained the "American Dream" in a small way.
What do I point to as a symbol of our success? 1] Great public education both k-12 and Universities. 2] easy availability and low interest rates of student loans, which both of us paid back during our years with this company. 3] Government spending on defense related industry combined with the tax incentives to retain and hire Americans with skills learned from public education.
When you denigrate American citizens based on political affiliation you make a mistake because SOME OF US know better!
You can't write off half of the electorate in front of the rich, get caught, and then expect to win an election. I admit it: I was scared for 2012: Mitt Romney seemed to have formidable money and steam behind him. But no amount of double talk fixes calling half of this country "victims" and many of the demographic were his own base! You reap what you sew, Mitt Millions!
When 53% are pulling the wagon and 47% are riding in the wagon with no plans to get off and help there is a problem.
And OBlunder pandering to load more and more into the wagon!
Bye Bye OBummer 2012
Jello heads!
I find it ironic that you all call us jello head when you sound pre-programmed. Oh and just so you know, I am IN the 53%.....I work and earn barely enough to be taxed though not enough to live on. I just know the difference between someone who is at least TRYING to help me and a pompous rich entitled pig like Mitt Romney.
Your a DOPE!
*rolls her eyes at oreo* what scintillating repartee. Withe people like you on the team, it is AMAZING that Mitt the Git is losing. :)
If calling names is the Real you, Oreo, so be it. I tried.
SLOPPY_JOE ... As an american citizen, i will truly do my duty and pull the 47% of those on your so-called wagon, the veterans who gave freely of themselves so i can sit here and type this message, the elderly who earned their place on the wagon no question asked, the hardworking ones who don't earn quite enough to make it to a tax bracket ... we take care of our own ... and do it with humility as they've earned their place on the wagon .... Mitt would just as soon spit on the 47% as you have ......
OBAMA 2012
Geezus, I admit I am no Romney fan but I wish he had put on a better campaign simply because as a country we need 2 strong parties that allow the electorate to struggle with their choice of who to elect because both have put out plans that have genuine merit. If you run a campaign that only looks for the next gotcha moment to attack the opponent neither candidate has to work hard to earn our votes. It is a shame Mister Romney did not have the courage to tout the healthcare law in Mass and use that as a basis for how he would change the Affordable Care Act to work in ways republicans and democrats could embrace. But being beholden to the extremist in his party left him handcuffed. President Obama basically beat the Republicans and the outside Super Pac's at their own game which is a shame because there was a huge opportunity for this country to benefit from a robust discussion of ideas. Mr. Romney and the Super Pac's felt they could simply carpet bomb the President with negative ad's but it was Mr. Romney who got carpet bombed before he had a chance to pull the trigger. God Bless America!!
Obama kept the Patriot act, and Guantanamo. I never said anything about loving the guy, but my biz IS doing well after 4 years.
Even if I detested him, I'd still HAVE to vote for him, because there wasn't a serious effort put into challenging him.
'Bucket
Obama wasn't satisfied with those, so he created a Military Police Authority on December 31, 2011 who's authority isn't restricted by Constitutional protections afforded every citizen.
But he didn't stop there, he signed a Bill into law in January, 2012 that makes peaceful protest a felony.
If these two actions that show Obama's contempt for our Constitution doesn't change you mind, then all I can say is no complaining when Obama tosses the Constitution in the toilet.
How well will your business be doing after you start paying the Obamacare tax in January, 2013?
Obviously better than the chances of your boss rolling out raises for everybody the minute Romney miraculously wins.
I mean it: I'd pay twice the taxes to keep Obama!
'Bucket
Ya, just like Obama getting on national TV with tears in his eyes telling the nation that he should be paying higher taxes after he push for and got the Bush Tax cuts to the rich extended in 2010 rather than implement his tax reform that would have had him paying higher taxes.
Duh! My name is "Bucket. I'm a democrat and want to pay higher taxes just like my man Obama is paying thanks to the tax reform he never implemented..
The REALITY that a retired old white guy (who RESENTS his OWN family members who are on the dole instead of WORKING) will vote for Obama must scare some people silly.
I flat-out LOOK like a Romney voter.
Like he can tell...recall him visibly recoiling at the realization he was interviewing a Gay man who would never, ever vote for him.
Bucket
Did I hit a never, your post is incoherent.
what happened - you REALLY don't want to talk about incoherent posts!
Bucket - there was no trouble with your post - just the comprehension of the dog!
Obama/Biden 2012
Obama looks to the camera and describes his economic plan.LOL
Obama couldn't help the economy in two minutes he hasn't in four years....Romney==Ryan--2012 and lets get something done Right.
You people have the pleasure of 4 more for 44, and there is not a darn thing you can do about it.
Vote a Straight Democratic Ticket!
Obama/Biden 2012
Joe66- What do you have to say
about the International embarrassment
that was your last great hero,
Sarah Palin?
Sara Palin is not president or Bush either.
Obama is Presidentand hes the big embarrassent.LOL
Something a lib wouldn't want ever to know or they might lose thier handouts.
What do you have to say now bucket???...LOL
Careful not to trash OR endorse Mrs. Palin.
And I'm truly embarrassed, by the WORLD getting to see the Republicans pick who they did.
I see that the right-wingers on this board are really doubling down on Romney's "47%" attitude.
Why it is that any of the rest of you would want to debate people with that little common political sense is beyond me.
" The irony here is that Romney appears to be losing this race precisely because he never really talked about his health-care law until now. "
Not talking about his health-care law until now is not the reason Romney is losing this race; Romney is losing this race because he's Romney and he's running an atrocious campaign, he changes views and personality daily, it seems.
He's losing because he tied a dog to a car and joked about it,
thereby setting the stage, for what the perceptions are of him now.
Only a chucklehead such as yourself would use that information as a basis point for voting, Bucket. Is mom and dad's couch comfortable?
Hey Speedy, I own a 4 bedroom home.
I love dogs, a lot of people do. It's ENOUGH.
Ask Michael Vick.
Moreover, it really is an indicator of his inbility to empathize.
And, I'd said that only got me looking closer.
You know yourself what he's been part of in the past weeks, and also know that his personality is YOUR biggest obstacle to having him as President.
Bucket: Great post, but, 'Ask Michael Vick' do you know how hard it is to be an Eagle fan.
Obama/Biden
Exit0: Try being a Steelers fan. I like dogs just fine, but I love women. :)
When 53% are pulling the wagon and 47% are riding in the wagon with no plans to get off and help there is a problem.
And OBlunder pandering to load more and more into the wagon!
Bye Bye OBummer 2012
Jello heads!
Only in the minds of the GOP Cult!
Sloppy Joe, how did your support of Sarah Palin go?
What's your track record for picking the winner?
That 47% that you claim is "riding in the wagon" includes the wives and children of many active duty military personnel currently serving in combat areas.
It also includes senior citizens that have a lifetime of "pulling the wagon" behind them. You seem to expect them to work until their dying breath.
It includes people working two retail jobs to provide for their families.
All of which the conservative right is more than willing to throw under the bus so they can have more tax cuts for themselves.
And then the conservative right has the nerve to call our active duty military personnel, their families, our senior citizens, and our working poor "entitled".
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how Romney is losing this all on his own.
I love it when those such as Joe make comments about the 47% as if he weren't actually part of that 47%. I'm betting joe will never "pull" anyone but has been "pulled" most of his life.
You're loading more and more of something into your pants, aren't ya?
Ya, Ya, Ya Obama's been singing that song since 2008, so when he had democratic control of Congress why didn't he do any of them?
In 2010 he did manage to push for and get the Bush tax cuts to the rich extended, rather then implement his tax reform.
Gosh, these far right folks are going crazy knowing that Willard is done.
what happened:
What song was Sarah Palin singing, that got YOU to support her so ardently four years ago?
Why didn't you get her elected, instead of bellyaching now?
"Bucket
I didn't support Palin, I supported Obama. But when he stay the Bush economic course with Bernanke as his economic adviser, I stop supporting Obama.
I didn't like that Bush added $5.1 trillion to the national debt in 8 years and like Obama even less for adding $5.9 trillion to the national debt in 3.75 years.
Do you realize that if you project Obama's performance for four more years he will have increased our Nation debt to $24 trillion when he leave office.
I'm sorry that you Obama supporters haven't realized that Obama has turned this country into the Greece of the America's with his almost shutting down our government twice in fourteen months and having to borrow money from foreign countries to keep his government operating.
If you support that kind of performance, it's my opinion that you are stupid considering that Obama claims that increasing America's debt weaken us domestically and internationally.
I just LOVE how many times I've heard THAT line:
"I voted for Obama, now I hate him. Mitt's cooler."
Instead of copping to who they REALLY were in 2008.
When people type online, they use UNIQUE groups of words, and usually the same or a similar screen name.
What are the odds I can find similar statements from four years ago that refute what you've just said?
You can find ME on Military Photos, calling Sarah out, first day after the RNC 2008.
Bucket
Bucket
Since the concept of voting for a person who offers more than the man who has proved that he can't do the job is alien to you, your posts are understandable.
You feel voting for the political whore your party puts up is better for this country, than taking the chance on the change this country needs so badly is the way to go.
Bucket I know your thinking, I know voting for a man who claims increasing the debt limits is a sign of failed leadership and then raises the Debt limits so he can add $5.9 trillion to the national debt in 3.75 years is stupid, but you're going to do it anyway.
obama has always had All 57 states clearly voting for him...one muslim to another!!..Madonna said so it must be true!!
Why are SOOO many documents sealed by this transparent Prez??
No college transcript, NO ifo on his disbarment in ILL.,..No release of Fast& Furious info--claims executive privilege== if I tell the truth it would hurt my campaign!! No release of the the murdered Ambassador Stevens cables....it was not Islamic Terrorists--they do not exist, like the Mafia myth-- The list just keeps getting bigger!!
After 4 years all we know about BOZOhussen is that he wrecked the economy, raided the treasury, killed job growth, attacked the middle class--no homes, no gas for your car to go to the job that he outsourced, increased food stamp holders ( NOT a prosperous employment!!), IslamicBros kill Americans--no problem!! His family has cost the USA tax payer $$$7 Billion for vacations!!
National debt $$ 16 Trillion, he can not even count high enough to figure the zeros on that one!! Down grading of USA credit==less in retirement 401K and inflation at the the supermarket!!
The guy would really be a joke, if was not SOO SAD and terrible for the country!!
Yet the sheep followers shout OHAbhaaammmmma, OOhaaBhaammmaa!!! I am entitled to all the "free" stuff!!
The only thing that is strange about conservative politicians is that they stay in office for decades by running against the government. I know of no other business where you can apply, give an interview about how much you hate the company, do not believe in most of its products and stay there until you retire. Yet Paul Ryan can do it along with the rest and no one thinks it is ironic at all. I take it that means they want to cut every job but theirs. I am a pretty old guy that is self employed and I don't ever remember dealing with government except to pay taxes and the draft. I guess when you work for it everyday you become obsessed with it. Different world than mine.
Oh ,so now you support Robama care. I swear to God you are the biggest idiot to ever run for president breaking what I thought was an impossible feat beating out [W] PS thanks for the personal appearance yesterday on the bottom of my shoe . It was a combination of chewing gum and dog poo and it not only looked like you but it had an identical smell of your campaign
President Obama wants Americans to beleive that "ONLY HE'S" in touch with the middle class.......
Meet the Real Obama's.....
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book/
"OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA"
CLEAN HOUSE 2012:
Did you feel that you were presented with the Real Sarah Palin before YOU went about saying how GREAT she was?
To Sloppy Joe was that you on the bottom of my other shoe?
...here's a "Drill, Baby, Drill" flyer to wipe that off with.
Here in the good ole USA, Brotha OBummer shall provide.....at least until he runs out of "other peoples' money"!
Yeah people, vote for the man whose antibusiness agenda is largely responsible for your inability to get a job.
BHO
"You didn't build that."
"You can build new coal-fired power plants, but my regulations will bankrupt you."
"I didn't come to Washington to help a bunch of fat cats."
"If you want to participate, go to the back of the bus."
"You need to pay your fair share."
"Oil drilling? Not on my public land."
"At some point, you have made enough money."
"$250,000, that's all you need."
"The private sector is doing just fine."
"We need more public sector jobs."
Bye Bye OBummer 2012!
Jello Heads
"Drill, Baby, Drill".
YOUR (you, yours, you own her by claiming the right, ya know) last hero, Sarah Palin.
What DID she spend YOUR money on, and WHY don't you see it the SECOND TIME?
You can copy and paste that 1000 more times, its not helping Mitt.
SloppyJoe:
Are you a Republican? Can you say that?
Be a HERO, nobody else can.
Bucket: I used to be a Republican, But I retired and so it is no longer discretly required.
4 more 4 44
AHA! So it was Al-Queda that killed our ambassador in Libya!
But wait a minute, I thought that the war on terror was almost over?
Your spin just got busted Obama!
And how did your support for Sarah Palin and Loopy go?
Do you have ANYTHING good to say about your party's last HERO?
Or maybe you aren't "One of them Republicans" anymore.
Another Republican laughing because a US Ambassador was killed. Big surprise there.