No kidding, Middle Class Mom! And I'm glad the President is reminding them over and over that Romney wanted them all to go bankrupt. He never thought about all of the businesses associated with the industry. Just the big picture. And that in a NUTSHELL is his chief problem!

The devil is in the details ....

Obama/Biden 2012

What would Mitt's dad say? He gained his fortune through the American auto industry, and then his son wanted to scuttle it, putting millions out of work! Mitt has nothing to offer us. His slogan should be, "Vote Romney, because I have mine and you don't deserve yours!"

This election is NOT over yet! Romney is making it clear that he has no chance of beating Obama, but this election is not about another symbolic victory for Obama. It's about CONGRESS!!!

VOTE AS MANY REPUBLICANS OUT OF CONGRESS AS POSSIBLE!!!

A Republican controlled congress has proven that it is willing to hold the country hostage and has done so the last 2 years. Our country can not afford to allow the GOP to prevent progress any longer!

VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET!!!!

Obama/Biden 2012

At this point, Romney couldn't poor piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel!!

Obama/Biden 2012

The day isn't over yet. Mitt could be touting his "support" of the bailout by midnight. He's already reclaimed Romneycare today. Shoot, by tomorrow, he may be flashing a U.A.W. union card.

Obama 2012/Romney 1040

P.S.

Welcome back, Feisty!

Open up a fresh can of whupazz and pour it on 'em!

Without such a bailout, the recession would have been worse.

But if Mitt is against such a bailout, then don't expect the voters to bail Mitt out in November...or pay for Mitt's bail.

Being in Ohio there is alot of forward steam for President Obama. Nobody wants to see the dirtbag Romney who turns his back on working Americans. Romney needs to go beg somewhere else...........

lulu98,

Not! They did not have to declare legal bankruptcy (Chapter 11) due to the bailout! No, paying pennies back on the dollar to creditors. Get your facts straight!

Seven2Seven says.... the dirtbag Romney ... turns his back on working Americans. Romney needs to go beg somewhere else...........

yeah...beg the 1%. But after the '47%' comments, even the 1% have turned away from Mitt the EmptyTeaBag now.

I'm amazed.

In last week's flip flop alert, a top Mitt Romney campaign official tried not only to shift the debate on the auto industry's recovery in the last couple of years. He claimed that President Obama followed Romney's policies.

Yesterday, Romney took it a step further. In an interview with WEWS-TV in Cleveland, he said this:

“I’ll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry’s come back."

That is insane.

No, that's Romney.

Romney wanted to "let the auto industry go bankrupt" without any government interference. He also suggested allowing the home foreclosures to "bottom out" for millions of homes and to be bought up at bargain prices by moneyed investors and rent them out. Never mind the impact on out of work homeowners losing everything they worked for. Romney always thinks in terms of what is the bottom line (profits to be made). As he says, he's an expert at it. Romney likes to claim he deserves partial credit for saving the auto industry. America isn't buying that BS. The debates will be Romney's worst nightmare. I'll be surprised if he wants to come back for the 2nd and 3rd. Obama is going to spank him but good.

lulu, Your site does not exist! At least no the way you sent it. Chapter 11 and bankruptcy are two different things my friend if you go by your interpretation which is totally wrong!

Yep, I wouldn't have supported a Government Motors (GM) bailout either based upon the following:

1. The American taxpayers still own about 28% of GM stock. The Secretary of the Treasury indicated recently that $25,000,000,000 still owed to the American taxpayers will be LOST.

• However, that didn't stop GM from giving out bonuses to their UNION WORKERS. A UAW official told members that eligible members of unions representing General Motors would be receiving a $1,000 bonus (reported 6 June 2012).

2. GM currently is mired in pension/health care debt at the tune of $ 134,000,000,000 to Union retirees and is trying to "offset" the debt by giving retiring Union workers LUMP SUM offers. Sort of sounds like UPS.

• Meanwhile, the Secretary of the Treasury was instrumental in TERMINATING about 20,000 NON-Union Delphi employee's pensions.

3. Recent profits have fallen 41% because of "slow" European sales.

4. And how much is Government Motors losing on EVERY SALE of a Chevy Volt ? Was that $ 39,000 each ?

Yep, Mr. Obama saved the auto industry and HE is proud of it, just like Mrs. Obama is REALLY Proud of America.

Yosolo....

Romney's got your facts where he keeps all of the ones his campaign uses. I can't promise you'll enjoy digging in there to find them though.

Ido...

What is it you like about Romney again? I just never see you mention his name in any of your rants, but you do mention Obama quite a bit. I'll offer you what I've offered all of your Republican cohorts in the past: a big box of Kleenex for election night, and I'll even throw in a free paper bag.

Lord knows we haven't heard the last from you cry babies yet, and you'll all be hyperventilating when they read off the election results this year. Just do the rest of the country a favor this time....stay out of the way and let the adult, we're about to elect for the second time, clean up your mess. It's definitely cheaper to have a Democratic president running this country than a Republican.

Romney is now claiming that he has "empathy" for the people, because he passed healthcare reform in his state. So, tell the town crier to yell out, "Romney has Empathy!" at the top of his lungs. Then, post archers all along the village's gates and periphery. And, wait for the naked, blood-thisty Vikings--running wildly in the snow, with their swords and battle axes--who will surely come to try to rake' and pillage the village.

While the right wing lunatic fringe is sniveling about, well, everything, let's take a quick look at the polls in Ohio, shall we?

http://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.asp

Looks like the prez has yet another swing state in his pocket! I wonder what all of the Republican trolls and bottom feeders will do the morning after President Obama is reelected? Besides cry, of course.

Rev. Al Sharpton, Thank You and the MSNBC team for reporting excellent political/news events. I WOULD LIKE TO SEND A SHOUT-OUT TO THE U.S. ARMED FORCES, NATO FORCES, OUR FOREIGN ALLIES, VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. MY HEART-FELT CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO ANDY WILLIAM'S FAMILY AND FRIENDS. I enjoyed hiding as a child under the bed with the bed spread shaped around my face with my elbows hanging out watching Andy William's Christmas Specials. My mother would look for me during the Holiday TV specials, but she could only find me after his specials were over. My beautiful mother is now 84 yrs old. I never told her that I was hiding under the bed when she was calling out for me watching Andy William's Christmas Specials. This gallant gentleman will never be forgotten in my mind and heart because of the warmth of his superb mellow voice and noble spirit. I SALUTE MR. ANDY WILLIAMS FOR HIS CONTRIBUTIONS DURING HIS LIFETIME IN OUR WONDERFUL WORLD. I believe he has earned his angel wings in spirit amongst the best of heavenly voice choirs.

The "NFL REF RAGE" is what it is, horrible like the movie ALIEN TRESPASS. I thought it was insightful and wise for President Obama to arrange for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to skillfully manage U.S. discussions at the U.N. with world leaders. Theodore Roosevelt said, "The best executive is one who has sense enough to pick good people to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it." The voter suppressions, voter purge lists, sporadically changing the voter laws, intimidation of voters is unbelievably ridiculous and cruel. Walter Scott said, "Oh, what a tangled web we weave... when first we practice to deceive." In my opinion, the campaign race between Senator Scott Brown(R.-Mass.) & Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Warren has been sharp with sexist, demeaning, racist overtones, with a direct assault to Elizabeth Warren's character in reference to her Native American heritage. The criticism and degrading ability of Senator Scott Brown, is so harsh and mean spirited that I'm sure President Obama and Vice President Biden has been given a briefing on his disrespectful behavior and condescending attitude toward Elizabeth Warren. From my perspective, no Congressman or Senator who represents their State, the American People, the President, Vice President, should not conduct him/herself unpatriotically, disrespectfully with prejudice in representation towards anyone. I believe this falls within the guidelines of the Equal Opportunity Program and should be investigated by an Equal Opportunity Representative on behalf of the Harvard Law Prof. Elizabeth Warren. Senator Scott Brown and his administrative staff should be questioned in reference to the disrespectful, racist comments and harassment of Elizabeth Warren. I hope the great people in Mass. will consider Sen. Scott Brown's bad behavior as their current representative. Mark Twain said, "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."

During the Romneyhood/ X-TREME Ryan campaign speeches, I often think of the T.V. show, "ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A 5th GRADER?" From my viewpoint, I agree with former President Clinton during the DNC when he spoke eloquently about Arithmetic. In my opinion, it doesn't take an Astronaut/ Einstein to walk the moon/ calculate Mitt OOPS!! I did it again Romney is probably worth much more than $250 million. Mitt Flip-Flop Romney's 47% bullyish comments seemed like some sort of complex phobia which was dismissive, thoughtless, crude, weird and ludacris. It would make a great sarcastic SNL skit. My advice is that he should take Sarah Palin's suggestion and "GO ROGUE!!" Furthermore, Mitt should seek professional counseling on his issues or get a big hug from his bromance campaign buddy X-Treme Ryan. Milton Berle said, "If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague." Frankly, to be "Clear and Concise" I think President Obama and Vice President Biden should be in the winning circle. In my opinion, if businesses and the American people want approximately the same tax refunds/tax computations they received in 2012 for 2013, I suggest they vote for President Obama/ Vice President Biden. Overall, statistically on average this will boost the economy because the businesses and the American people will most likely profit.

On the other hand, if the businesses and the American people don't know and want less due to drastic changes in the 2012 voting for President/ Vice President candidates Romneyhood/ X-Treme Ryan then OOPS! SORRY!! There will be no numbers to compute because "ZERO IS THE HERO" Allegedly, the Congress and Senate has "Cut and Run" without approving President Obama bills for the American people. Romney/ Ryan has no actual vision or plans that's concrete for the American people or businesses. Their comments are always "Dishonest Without Transparency." The choice is yours President Obama/ Vice President Biden or Romneyhood/ X-TREME Ryan?! Katharine Butler Hathaway said, "It is only by following your deepest instinct that you can lead a rich life, and if you let your fear of consequence prevent you from following your deepest instinct, then your life will be safe, expedient and thin." I THINK, THE NFL PRO REFS HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT. YEAH!!! I'm sure X-TREME RYAN will be happy for some relaxation time from Romneyhood. Rev. Al Sharpton Thank you. HAVE A WONDERFUL AND BLESSED DAY!

yosolo

The above quote is from the Gawker website, September of last year. At the time it created much media attention, but I've been unable to find the resultant New York Times piece. Certainly, watching Obama's recent speech at the UN and his waffling of the facts and downplaying the significance of the recent anti-US hatred among Muslims in the Middle East, particularly regarding the tragic first murder of an American ambassador in over 30 years, (Ambassador Christopher Stevens, in Libya), there's obvious concern about the President's mental state. Was the story that the New York Times was working on last year squelched for political reasons? Does anybody have any facts regarding this?

No yosolo,

It's over at the Tea Bagger Nation aka FOX NEWS NOOSE.

FYI: MORSI URGES U.N. TO END `CATASTROPHE IN SYRIA'

Egypt's new President Mohammed Morsi assigned himself the heavyweight's role in the Middle East on Wednesday, declaring in his first speech to the United Nations that the civil war raging in Syria is the "tragedy of the age" and must be brought to an end.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/sep/26/ap-news-in-brief-at-858-pm-edt-ar-1760457/

Lulu

You should have posted the entire article from the WaPo fact checker.

This statement is drawn from a headline–"Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"– on an opinion article written by Romney for The New York Times. But he did not say that in the article.
In the article, Romney argued that if the automakers "get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won't go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed."
As Romney put it, "Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check." In many ways, it was very much a business consultant's approach to the problem—what earlier in the year he called a "work out."
It is also important to note that although "bankrupt" often conjures up images of liquidation, Romney called for a "managed bankruptcy." This is a process in which the company uses the bankruptcy code to discharge its debts, but emerges from the process a leaner, less leveraged company.
Ultimately, along with getting nearly $80 billion in loans and other assistance from the Bush and Obama administrations, GM and Chrysler did go through a managed bankruptcy. But many independent analysts have concluded that taking the approach recommended by Romney would not have worked in 2008, simply because the credit markets were so frozen that a bankruptcy was not a viable option.

Please note the last paragraph. Romney's approach wouldn't have worked. I remember listening to an interview with that 'car czar' (I forget his name) on Morning Joe and he said they contacted everybody they could and couldn't raise any money. And that included Bain Capital.

On this one Romney was flat out wrong. And it wasn't just GM and Chrysler that were saved. Even Ford (who didn't need any cash) wanted the bailout because otherwise they knew the entire support system of suppliers couldn't survive. So yes, it did save the entire auto industry in the US. Not even counting the jobs saved there was also the consideration that a national auto industry is considered a national security necessity because it can be revamped quickly in case of war.

...the president follows up with, “Don’t boo. Vote.”

President Obama is right, as usual.

We cannot help him win re-election merely by stating our opinions, however persuasive they may be. (As we see in every comment section of every article, there are many brainwashed bigots who would vote for a chimp before they would vote for a man of color.)

So join the grassroots work on the ground. Get out the vote to re-elect

OBAMA/BIDEN NOVEMBER 6 !!!

P.S Welcome back, Feisty and Bev! :)

Obama reminds Ohio voters: Romney opposed bailout

He's finally running on his record. Well sort of. The problem with this is the 53%ers who can actually think know that bailing out the auto industry was a big mistake and a payoff of the Unions. GM and Chrysler should have been allowed to go into bankruptcy proceedings like any other failing business. They would have then been able to restructure their debt and not screw the senior debt holders and restructure the unsustainable union contracts. What would have come out of that would have been leaner meaner auto companies that could compete on the world market. Not the same bloated ones we have now that still use the same model of 0% financing for 20 years to get people to buy their cars. I for one didn't know that there were that many stupid people in the country that believe Obama or think he has a clue. Oh yeah, The 47%...

GM and Chrysler should have been allowed to go into bankruptcy proceedings like any other failing business. They would have then been able to restructure their debt and not screw the senior debt holders and restructure the unsustainable union contracts.

Well, that was kind of Romney's point, too, wasn't it? Romney sat in on quite a few of these when he ran Bain. Google GST Steel and see how that worked. Worker's pension funds looted, the company went under anyway and Bain walked away with $millions.

GM and Chrysler's biggest problem was not "unsustainable union contracts", it was bad management decisions that led to producing cars that no one wanted. Why should the workers have lost their jobs and their pensions to provide a bailout to the "senior debt holders" you mention? Why should the workers have had to pay for GM management's mistakes?

It is easy to see why Romney did not support the bailout. After all, he made his living at Bain raping companies like this. However, you will note that Bain was not anxious to work with GM when the crisis hit, were they? In fact, at the time, no private firms were willing to work with GM to infuse capital and restructure their debt. No, GM would have folded, its capital would have been liquidated to pay off investors (i.e. senior debt holders) to the tune of pennies on the dollar and the economy would have been poorer.

I think we have seen the better solution.

EEngineer,

No, GM would have folded, its capital would have been liquidated to pay off investors (i.e. senior debt holders) to the tune of pennies on the dollar and the economy would have been poorer.And we have to pay for Obama's management mistake with the Chevy Volt?

Also, as I stated earlier, Obama didn't bail out General Motors, he closed it down. You are right that debt holders of General Motors only got pennies on the dollar. Instead, Obama gave a primary ownership of the new company to the Union in order to eliminate many of the problems associated with the union contracts by shifting the long term costs to them.

The bailout hasn't worked as the taxpayers are still on the hook for billions. Romney opposed the government using taxpayer money to buy the unions, when bankruptcy court could have helped restructure the auto industry debt. There isn't an economist that suggests GM was ever going to fail, but Obama seized the opportunity to buy the unions and screw investors. Of course nothing else about the stimulus was anything but a complete waste of money.

Oh, Hell yeah Elliott I cannot wait for the debates either. Finally the face to face smack-down that Obama will hoist on the flipper!

If you have ever been fishing and seen a hammerhead wriggling on deck, flopping all around and then someone takes a tool and slams it to the deck to put it out of it's misery... that will be the debates where Romney the Hammerhead gets his due!

romney-hood should be held for abuse ...

for BEATING A DEAD HORSE!!!

Electoral College votes as of today (only need 270 to win the Presidency).

Obama/Biden - 265

vs

romney/ryan - 191

!!!-> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

I get so tired of hearing all the B.S. about Obama saving the auto industry. All he did was save the UAW to buy votes at taxpayrt expense. When is GM going to pay back the loans. Maybe when they see a profit on the Volt, which will be never. Don't forget that the Pres. backed this loser.

GM also has auto plants in Australia, Mexico and Korea.

Did these countries make their tax payers responsible for a poorly managed cooperation?

Mr. President:

1) Did you also remind the voters you promised that if you spent nearly $1 Trillion in a "stimulus" (that didn't "stimulate") unemployment would not go above 8% but has been ABOVE 8% for 43 straight months?

2) Did you also remind the voters that this is the most anemic recovery since the Great Depression?

3) Did you also remind the voters that you now have the highest percent of citizens on Food Stamps since the program was started?

4) Did you also remind the voters that you now have the highest percent of citizens in Poverty since the 1970's?

5) Did you also remind the voters that an Ambassador was tortured and killed while under your watch which has not happened since the LAST time we had an incompetent president in Jimmy Carter?

6) Did you also remind the voters that you now have the lowest labor-participation rate in over 40 years?

7) Did you also remind the voters that we now have the highest percent of workers unemployed for 6 months or more since the Great Depression?

8) Did you also remind the voters that while the world is collapsing and Iran is close to developing a nuclear weapon you felt it was more important to go on The View that speaking with world leaders?

9) Did you also remind the voters that we had intelligence telling us the recent consulate attack was a faction of Al Queda 24 hours after the attack but it took your administration over two weeks to finally admit that rather than blaming on a video?

10) Did you also remind the voters that you added $6 Trillion in debt with nothing to show for it?

11) Did you also remind the voters that a large amount of the "stimulus" went to investing in "green" companies that had no logical way of making a profit and went bankrupt shortly after you gave them millions and millions of borrowed money?

12) Did you also remind the voters that your push for new EPA regulations is forcing coal powered plants to close that will increase our heating and electrical bills by as much as 50%?

13) And, lastly, when reminding voters that Romney would not have bailed out the auto companies do you realize that would have been the BEST thing to do? Instead we "loaned" them billions of dollars that we will NEVER get back and ultimately they have not fixed the problem that created their mess to begin with. I assure you GM will be filing bankruptcy within the next 5 years anyway. All you did was delay the bankruptcy AND lose billions of borrowed money too.

You see Mr. President, if you are going to "remind" voters it would only make sense you "remind" them of everything including your failures. There is not one economic indicator that shows we are any better off now than when you took office and we are heading into another recession and not only do you NOT have a plan you do NOT even have a budget and haven't HAD a budget since you took office.

There can only be ONE person happy with your performance the last four years and that is Jimmy Carter. Because now he realizes he will no longer be known as the WORST president in U.S. history. Barack Hussein Obama has assumed the role as the WORST president in U.S. history........

If you want to see a startling graphic, look at the Dow Jones industrial average bar graph over the last 5 years. During the 12 month period from January 2008 and January 2009, Dubya's last year in office, the Dow lost 6,000 points. In one 12 month period.

In January, 2009, the graph immediately starts an upward trend, and has gotten ALL of the losses sustained in 2008 back. No doubt that is directly attributable to the Republicans and the Tea Party.

Right????

Thank You President Obama for reminding me of just how $hitty you are as POTUS. Every decision you've made, with 1 notable exception, has been WRONG! Obamacare, the bailouts, the stimuless, foreign policy, plus total inaction on imigration reform, and entitlement reform = worst Fing president ever bar none. This ain't over yet, not till November 7th. I believe the current polls are accurate within 1-3%, however I also believe the polls have been weighted too far left in their sampling. The result is predictable though, when Romney wins, the left will be screaming about another stolen election, based on the faulty polling as their evidence. I fully expect the left to come completely unhinged by this, replete with rioting in the streets.

Bankruptcy would have been better. It would of restructured their debt, keeping them in business as a leaner more profitable company. Americans wouldn't be on the hook for the Billions, Republican owned car dealerships would not have been shut down by Obama (he favored Democrat owners), and the Volt wouldn't be selling for a $30-40,000 loss on each vehicle sold increasing tax payers debt...Dream on if you think Obama did the right thing. What he did was make sure Unions and Democrats got theirs and everyone else got left out in the cold. Thanks Obama, NOT!!! ~(:>)

JJC: Amazing that the economy is SO bad, and all the economic data is SO pathetic, the ONLY thing that can be looked at as "positive" is the Dow Jones. But ironically anybody who understands domestic and global markets know that the Dow is not an indicator of the U.S. economy - it is an indicator of profitability.

In case you are not aware many companies on the Dow Jones sell GLOBALLY so is it possible that many companies have learned that the U.S. market is not recovering so have moved their resources overseas to open factories and markets elsewhere? The answer is "yes".

And is it possible that companies are able to make profits OUTSIDE of the U.S.? The answer is "yes".

Is it possible that due to so much uncertainty in the U.S. market they have held off any expansions and trimmed hiring as a way of sheltering themselves from the uncertainty Obama has caused? The answer is "yes".

And if they do that what are they doing with their profits? Holding it until they can determine if the U.S. economy will actually recover. So if they are holding cash wouldn't that make their Balance Sheets, Profit and Loss, and Cash Flow statements look better? The answer is "yes".

So if they do that doesn't it make their companies look more attractive to investors? The answer is "yes".

But is this then a recovering economy because the Dow Jones recovered from its lows? The answer is "no". Because most investors are short term investors and since Bernanke has interest rates basically at zero percent investors are looking for solid stocks that can at least be in a position to grow once the economy recovers. So stop using the Dow Jones as the ONLY reason to reelect Obama. It is NOT a sign of a recovery. To determine that you go to the economic indicators and EVERY economic indicator shows we are no better off than we were four years ago and currently heading back into another recession.

Thanks Obama - for your incompetence. We have lost four years of potential growth and recovery. I don't think our country can handle four more years of failure.

So PRO

If I get you correctly, you somehow label Predident Obama as an incompetent, but the neck-breaking loss of wealth in 2008 was "job well done" by Bush.

I own a business, a machine shop, and the last three years are the best I've had since 2000.

Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate at the very start of the 110th Congress. January 3, 2007.

Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 and 2011.

O.K. Guy

I'm getting long in the tooth, so I just need to recap the general gist of what you guys are saying:

Democrat House--Bad, responsible for debt

Republican House--Good, not responsible for debt

Democrat President--Bad, responsible for bad economy

Republican President--Good, responsible for good economy

Republicans really are winning the war against education, aren't they?

The TeaReTards in Congress did everything in their power to destroy President Obama, and our Country, this is a very sick group of people !!!

Never will I forget what they are doing to this Nation !!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry

I'm not sure that I am understanding you. Again, I'm getting old. But I guess the point you are trying to make has little to do with the C.B.O. and more to do with some guy trying to sell a right-wing book. All U.S. Presidents, that I'm familiar with, use tax-dollars to, well, you know, pay for stuff.

The amounts paid by the most recent Republican President must not offend you, I guess? Does that sum it up?

Maybe Obama should be honest to the American people about the true cost of bailing out the Auto industry?

Maybe you should be honest with your about the true cost of bailing out the auto industry to the taxpayer?

You are being very careful to exclude the biggest element of the bailout - over 1 million less unemployment. Who pay taxes. And have for several years. Instead of having them be a burden on society through collecting unemployment, they are now paying into the system.

The bailout has already paid for itself to the taxpayer and the shares left over and the tax receipts in the future from productive workers are a source of revenue.

All of this is what Mr Romney wanted to fall apart. What you people don't realize is that you and Mr Romney don't really understand capitalism nor economics very well. You have a religious belief in the free market as if the tooth fairy will just fix things by waving her magic wand. Things don't work that way.

Wow, Obama lies again. The Romney quote was "I'd let them go bankrupt." Well guess what Obama... THEY DID GO BANKRUPT. THEY WENT THROUGH BANKRUPTCY.

Obama, lying to the people and the left gulping the lies up. SOP for that side.

The only thing Obama did was ensure that his favored Unions reaped billions in tax payer dollars. Every dollar the US has lost on the deals went to protect and prop up the unions. Ask the workers at Delphi how much they enjoyed the managed bankruptcy.

Jesse

Would that be the chapter 11 bankruptcy of 2005? Or would that be the workers in the 24 Delphi plants closed in 2005? Maybe the workers affected by the sell-off of 21 plants in 2006? Which workers are we talking about?

Byron Raum,

You are being very careful to exclude the biggest element of the bailout - over 1 million less unemployment.

Uhmmm, there is no indication that anyone would have lost their job by letting GM and Chrysler go through the normal bankruptcy process. If that were the case nobody would work for the airlines except maybe Southwest. At least get a clue on what you are posting about.

Thank you for reminding me Mr. Obama, that reinforces my decision to vote for Romney. Several years ago I made some bad business choices and believe me the feds did not jump up and bail me out, I went under because of my bad business decisions. As a business thay should have done what I had to do which was to file bankruptcy and reorganize. Mr. Obama and Mr. Bush was looking out for number one in that tax dollar give away. Yea, Yea some of the money was paid back, but it was my tax dollars and my social security dollars and my medicare dollars of which I do not want the government to gamble with.

GM is alive and Ford is too , without bailout money. GM could go to bankruptcy Chapter 11, like Chrysler did before and came back stronger with Lacocca as CEO. Obama decide to buy GM for political reasons, to protect his base , the union. Thousand of non-union workers and business owner were not protected for the bailout , none of them constitute their base their union voters. Romney is right GM should go to Chapter 11.

According to POLITICO polls , majority meddle class support Romney, because they know , Obama is not for them.

Uhmmm, there is no indication that anyone would have lost their job by letting GM and Chrysler go through the normal bankruptcy process. If that were the case nobody would work for the airlines except maybe Southwest. At least get a clue on what you are posting about.

Oh, I see...so when there is bankruptcy at a mega-business such as GM, and they cannot pay their suppliers, who cannot pay THEIR suppliers, etc., it really doesn't affect anyone and business keeps on going on as usual?

By your logic, Lehman's Brother's bankruptcy was no big deal, shouldn't have affected anyone. The seizure in the capital markets was just an illusion.

In fact, what you are basically telling us is that money doesn't matter. And you tell ME to get a clue? Why do you think I said that you don't understand neither capitalism nor economics?

Obama choose winners and losers in the GM bailout.

Tim Geithner was ‘the driving force’ behind terminating the pensions of 20,000
non-union retirees from the Delphi auto parts manufacturing company, as part of
the government’s bailout plan for General Motors. Union workers, on the other
hand, ‘saw their pensions topped off and made
whole.’

Is everybody on board with the fact the Delphi went broke because of some very creative book-keeping schemes in the early 2000's? By the C.E.O. and others on the board of trustees?

I had been doing a lot of business with a company that, literally, shut down in 2005, because of Delphi's bankruptcy.

How does that translate into President Obama being somehow responsible for the monies that were already stolen? Any port in a storm, right??

I guess my take is that's why any s.o.b. that tries to hand me a voucher for my medical care or gives my s.s. to a wall street executive had best watch his back. I have worked for over 40 years and I have maxed out my F.I.C.A. for 30 years. It's not an entitlement, it's not welfare, it's not charity. It's my money. Easy peasy.

Probusiness -

1. We wouldn't have needed the stimulus without Bush trashing the economy

2. You mean the recovery from the "Bush recession"? There's a reason they call it that!

3. Who put them on food stamps? Why, a Republican, George W. Bush!

4. And who put them out of work and into poverty? Why, George W. Bush!

5. Ahh, bullcrap! They are terrorists! Their sole purpose in life is killing people! How many people were killed on Bush's watch in the Twin Towers? There was a lot of buzz about some terrorist action then and Bush did nothing! How many people were killed in the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan because Bush wouldn't spend the money on equipment? Or did spend the money and Halliburton downgraded military specs for their profit? There was no clear intelligence that anything was happening in Syria. There is also no intelligence that says the ambassador was tortured. Sources, please?

6. It is tough to participate when there are no jobs. Why are there no jobs? Think Bush Recession. There's a reason they call it that!

7. Ditto 6 above...

8. So you would rather kowtow to the leader of Iran and attend a conference on Yom Kippur, which is in itself a slap in the face of Israel? You terrorist! Things are not as simple as you think they are in your mother's basement!

Etc, etc, etc.

Enough from you, probusiness. You are an insult to your moniker!

More lies from Obama. Not Publish by Media Matters or the media bias NBC and affiliates.

The government cut its calculation of U.S. growth in the second quarter to 1.3% from 1.7% in its third and final review, citing less consumer spending and business investment than previously estimated. Consumer spending rose 1.5% in the previous quarter instead of 1.7% as initially forecast. And business investment, excluding residential housing, was revised down to a 3.6% increase from 4.2%. The government also said corporate profits climbed $21.8 billion in the second quarter, compared to a $53.0 billion decline in the first quarter. The economy grew at a 2.0% pace in the first three months of the year. We are moving BACKWARDS> Obamalies

Romney 2012

Wow

I really wish I wasn't working so many hours, so I wouldn't feel compelled to keep asking you: How is ANY progress worse than No progress? And, once again, how is this, other than in republican's minds, a lie by President Obama? The only lies and false statements that I have seen this week were owned by Republicans.

"Obama reminds Ohio voters: Romney opposed bailout"

He really underestimates Ohio voters doesn't he?

Pjam.....

According to the latest polls, not really.

It's getting to the point I almost feel sorry for Mitt Romney. He makes more of a fool out of himself every day. Romney in Ohio this week --- it simply sad to watch. This election is over. Mitt Romney is one of the very worst candidates of all times. But the problem goes deeper than that for the Republican Party. Republicans have managed to chase just about every demographic out of their party except old white men and old white women. They haven't had a new economic idea in over 30 years. If Republicans don’t come up with some new ideas and find an entirely new group of leaders, we just may have another President Clinton in 2017.

The GESTAPO GOP can't win without forcing voter suppression and intimidation at the voting poles coming from a Texas Based group called "True to Vote" . That is just one example of their form of Democracy. Vote all the Republicans out of office until they reform their dictatorship, do nothing in the "Party of No".

Register & Vote !!!

Vote Obama/Biden 2012

Some might suggest the GOP doesn't want to win, but at the same time not make is too obvious. The GOP knows full well the Democrats have no plan that is going to work, and Obama is going to bring the world to the brink of financial collapse with his policies. Four more years of Obama and the Democratic Party is going to crumble under the weight of its own incompetence. It will be a brutal four years and the nation will suffer greatly, but the image of the Democratic Party will never return to fantasy land like it is today.

GOP Meeting: 101

1) We only have old white men & old white women

Question: How do we expand our voter base?

2) Suppress the remaining demographics to smithereens

Answer: Only then will we win the white house.

President Obama 2012 Romney complete 1040

Here's a "gotcha" question for you Conservative. What do you like about Romney again? Please don't invoke Obama's name in your response, as that is all you have used in the past.

I like him because he finally got the truth out about what is bringing this country down. Idiots like you. And here's a gotcha question for you. What are you 47%ers going to do when all the rich run out of money? What are you going to do when all the companies have moved their jobs to Mexico or China because they are tired of paying for you deadbeats? Who will the auto union workers make cars for? The S.E.I.U.? Where will we get the money for the people who deserve it like the elderly and military. Are you going to get it from Michelle's garden? Because you apparently think money grows on trees.

unfortunately the average premium is up over $3000.00 and climbing.

Nice unsubstantiated claim. Well, here is mine. Premiums are down by $4000.

Red - I read the same article as Maureen. Premiums are up $3,000 since 2009 and up $2400 since the ACA has begun.

Mine have only gone up only about 20% total in 2 years. Since there were no new mandates added this year I'm Expecting between 0 - 10% increase this year. But when 2014 comes with the new mandates included, I'm bracing for another 18% - 40% increase.

I'm lucky, most people I know have experienced between 18 & 35% increases in the last 2 years.

Thats kinda Funny Maureen, because i just received My 2013 Insurance Info today from Humana.

Lo & Behold on about the 5th page was where I noticed My premium is going DOWN in 2013!

Pleasantly Surprised from:

Occupy SoggyBottom!

You Betcha!

We all know that if DB Akron and Maureen are reading the same thing, it's definitely BS.

Would you guys care to share a link to this brilliant piece of reporting, or is just another nameless email arriving in your inbox from fellow Tea-baggers that believe everything they read?

Bush had the first 17 billion approved and Obama got the last 33 billion for GM's bailout. Republicans don't even consider anything Bush did. They don't even remember who bailed out the banks, they think it was Obama.

Larry you should read Bob Woodward's new book, and then maybe you would have some idea what really went on.

You really want to say bush saved the auto industry?

That line of thought is working I can tell by the Ohio Polls

Stupid follow Stupid.

And GM wants out from under the government's boot. GM has even learned the government should not be in the business of designing, building and selling cars.

@Con,

Good luck with that argument. Try telling the folks in Ohio that are glad that they still have a job that they are "brain dead".

But the problem is the people of Ohio are oblivious to what really happened. They think Obama did something for them just because he says so. It is pathetic and why I think people should be tested to vote any more. They vote on no understanding of facts....on both sides.

Correct. But they want out because they think they can't attract the talent they want and they think it's a downer.

The problem is that they still suck as a company and if we (taxpayers) allowed the sale of our stock we would lose about 17 billion dollars. They want more money.

Should have just allowed them to go thru bankruptcy without govt interference.

Bali Bob, they'll understand it soon enough. I think most do.

It is pathetic

What is pathetic is the lulus lulu likes to tell. Nary a substantiated fact or figure, just broad-based untrue claims. Lulu sounds just like Romney. Those gosh darn 47% Ohio voters that expect entitlements like air and water.

Honey, in case you didn't get the memo, dissing the average working person isn't helping your cause. But go ahead, and remind us how everyone but you, Romney and the Boca Raton Elites are the only ones who work for a living.

That's right C.R. - Bama had to repay the unions for his election. I'll never buy a crysler or chevy EVER AGIAN. My inlaws buy a new car every 5 years, and pay cash, and have always bought a chevy or chrysler.

Two weeks ago they bought a lexus for $49K cash after taxes. They are so upset about what his POTUS has done they will never buy a chevy or chrysler again.

Obama lies more and more pandering to the apparently uneducated. This is sad for me since I voted for him last time. Not a chance that will happen again. I do not think Romney s perfect but he is thankfully NOT Obama

What in the heck is going on with the Republican leadership? While Romney implodes the rest of them are all courting Todd Akin and boasting that they will get rid of the minimum wage and contraceptives if elected. Are they all crazy and incompetent?

Lulu:

This is sad for me since I voted for him last time

Me, too!

So much for hope. Time for a change.

Chad,

If Right-wing SuperPACS were sitting on a boatload of cash and their candidate was no longer a good bet, wouldn't the logical move be to dump the money into the Senate and House races as soon as possible?

Even renewing support for an oddball like Todd Akin, as if all of the sins of his past had been forgiven, becomes an acceptable notion.

So don't count Todd out in Missouri...not just yet. Although I wish that we could.

Romney in a landslide victory. At least 10 points

Chad-4213400

What in the heck is going on with the Republican leadership? While Romney implodes the rest of them are all courting Todd Akin and boasting that they will get rid of the minimum wage and contraceptives if elected. Are they all crazy and incompetent?

Easy answer: Their losing

Learn the difference between "their" and "they're"... and then still don't comment on anything because you are a simple-minded, party-owned sheep.

This from a right wing fox news listener. Pardon me if I laugh. Must be that the truth really hurts.

What the government did for General Motors was to guide them through a distorted version of a structured bankruptcy.

Candice - I appreciate your attempt to provide balanced posts, but you seem to have fuzzy recall vs. total recall of this event. There was no option for a structured bankruptcy during this period. The only bankruptcy option was liquidation, which means closing up shop and selling the assets. Millions of jobs would have been lost.

Why you folks on the right continue to insist a structured bankruptcy was an option is beyond me. If it had existed, the government would not have had to step in. Why even the vulture capitalist Bain-Romney wouldn't touch the deal.

The GOPTP are simply clueless when it comes to managing the countries finances. The only reason we have massive debt now is because of mismanaged GOPTP fiscal policies.

While Romney implodes the rest of them are all courting Todd Akin

It is one of those adorable conservative traits. They are dogged in their pursuit, regardless of moral, ethical, or reasonable thought. Like a pit bulls bite, once the clamp onto something, they just can't let go.

Look at their candidate Romney .. the man is brilliant at making money by sucking capitalism dry. They believe this translates to strong presidential material. Well, last time I checked, the office of the President is not in the business of making money. It is there to provide governance. Romney will never understanding governing. We don't need a capitalist as a president.

The Very Day that anyone from the Republican Senate committee gives 1 Nickel to Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin, is The Day they can Officially GiveUp Any Hope of retakeing the Senate! If Sen.Corynin is that Dumb to Tie every Republican Candidate to Akin, So Be It!

Democrats are waiting !

You won't see Karl Rove Touch Dat!

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

Red

There was no option for a structured bankruptcy during this period. The only bankruptcy option was liquidation,

Pure BS. As long as GM went to court and filed chapter 11 and their plan was good enough, then they would have still existed, but the odds were that only Chevrolet and Cadillac would have survived.

The Alarming parts were that the meatball surgery would have decimated the parts supply industry and seriously injured the other car makers AND that the Unions would lose their pensions.

What isn't well known is that Ford, Toyota, and Honda had gotten together and had worked out a plan so they would not have major failures in their parts supplies. They had identified who would be affected by GM going on hiatus and had worked out a bail-out plan for the most critical suppliers so the parts supplies would not be significantly interupted.

The government needing to get involved to save the industry is nearly pure totalitarian fantasy. We just didn't know it then, but some of us who have been paying attention have found it out.

One other thing, There was a compromise agreement in December where Creditors, investors, and the Unions equally shared in eating 1/3 the debts owed them. But the Unions refused to agree, to which Bush sent GM Tarp money to keep them going until Obama settled it. It was actually a good deal for the Unions, by federal law, Creditors get first crack, Investors second if any is left and then pensions. Usually investors get little, and pensions get nothing.

The government needing to get involved to save the industry is nearly pure totalitarian fantasy. We just didn't know it then, but some of us who have been paying attention have found it out.

DB - I will concede that had cooler heads been at the controls at the time, the GM liquidation could have been averted, and a structured bankruptcy would have been the solution, and government assistance kept to a minimum.

What I won't concede is that the global markets were melting down, on a daily basis, and quickly. In case you don't remember, bank failures were happening weekly. Runs on banks were happening weekly. The stock market was swinging wildly, but on the whole, crashing daily. Unemployment was skyrocketing. All of these were on a scale never seen before.

People, mostly conservatives, love to bitch about government involvement in the auto bailout. What they fail to see was it was an attempt, and a successful one, at the government stepping up to the plate and taking bold action to stop the downward spiral. Whether long term, it made sense in a good or bad way, isn't the relevant point. It was a message that the US government would not rely upon Wall Street for corrective action. Had that action not been taken, it doesn't matter what alliances Ford, Honda, Toyota made. The fact is, they would have been sucked down the spiral of the meltdown and would be finished as well.

The pious argument that you base your arguments on weren't there. All you are doing is playing Monday Morning Quarterback with a stogie stuck between your lips. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, works fine for football, especially on Monday. But during a global economic meltdown, it comes nowhere to the problem solving needed to avert the crisis that was.

So GM needed money to go through bankruptcy.

Did Bain Capital loan GM the money? No everyone refuse to loan GM money. If no one had loan them money GM would be gone. No matter how you twist it around. GM would be gone. Get you facts straight stupid FUX NOISE

Take your medication and go wait by the mailbox. It's check time.

And by these people, you mean those people of the GOPTP. They are the only ones that won't let facts get in their way. Right? To paraphrase Santorum, you are the party of stupid.

lulu98

These people never let facts get in their way.

But the problem is the people of Ohio are oblivious to what really happened.

Obama lies more and more pandering to the apparently uneducated.

And your comments are factual?? You definitely are a LULU!

FACT -23 MIL PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED

Fact-unemployment higher today than it was 4 years ago

Fact...Median income today is lower than it was 4 years ago

Fact- for every job created today...4 people go on food stamps and 4 people drop out of the Work force trying to find a job......

Fact..this President would rather talk about his feelings with JoY and Woopie

Than taking care of Presidential business at the UN.....

Fact...This Presidents Foreign Policy.."Lead from Behind"...What a Jack ass!

OK .. that was good .. if only I had a quarter for every time....

Now, ladies and gents, I give you Earn, a typical communist slug that refuses to take care of itself.

Earn - You seem to be confused, it is actually Obama who is against financial responsibility and against enforcing our border laws.

Now, ladies and gents, I give you Earn, a typical communist slug that refuses to take care of itself.

I'll take Earn over the Marxist, Fascist, Nazi, Monarchist, Oligarchic, Masonite, Crusader, Taoist, fanatic pig that is Doubting Thomas. But hey, what's in a name.

@RedDevPS

Come onnnnn tell us the truth. You are cutting and pasting fux noise talking points although you have no ideal what they mean.

Hint: you can't be all of them at once it's just impossible and each of them contradicts the other.

Please read a book and learn the difference, because a 4th grade education is a terrible think to waste.

Stop posting your lies. The name of the blame is Obama, and Harry Reid. Besides, you have no skin in this game. You are a communist moocher, a victim of society. Get a job.

Chad - Like you did in the 2010 midterms? Haha. You sheep should have learned not to believe the media the first time.

Get a job.

The bad news is, the last time Thomas had a 'job' was 1979 which is coincidentally, the last time Patsy from Ab Fab ate (it was a potato chip).

The good news is the last time Thomas had a job was 1979, and it was the last time the working class had to suffer his nasty self. Sometimes, a lifelong addiction to welfare makes sense. It makes it more pleasant for the rest of us workers.

@Larry,

Obvious polls skewed by the Librul lame stream Media.

(chuckle)

Obama/Biden 2012

270 to win, not 170. Either way Obama is still going to win.

b

clinton is an accused rapist and a convict....

Don't forget Clinton is only the second President in the History of the United States to be impeached.

He wasn't impeached for having sex with Monika Lewisnky he was impeached for PERJURY(LYING) and obstruction of justice.

Of course the Left believes anything slick willy says is Gospel.

David neglects to mention that Clinton was also acquitted.

David also neglects to admit Bill is a master at making his point and in spite of his "indiscretions" shall we say...Americans everywhere love him.

Virgina

Impeachment is NOT a trial it is an INDICTMENT. Sorta like a Grand Jury Indictment. Meaning that Congress found that there was enough evidence for a trial in the Senate. His acquittal does not mean he wasn't Impeached.

Didn't they teach you this stuff in 6th grade?

Don't forget Clinton is only the second President in the History of the United States to be impeached.

Noah loves to omit he was acquitted. Doesn't fit his narrative. Like most of his posts, they are empty accusations.

RedDev

It seems that post 20.5 applies to you also.

Yo Slodan .. home schooled much? Lacking the GED are ya? Can you point out in my post where I claimed Clinton wasn't impeached. Look real, real, hard. What did I say, Slodan? I said Clinton was acquitted.

So, we both know, you being a roads scholar and all, that Impeachment is a two step process, one brought by the House and one by the Senate. It is just like you being charged as a pedophile. You can be charged as a pedo, but until you are convicted, you are not a pedo.

Clinton was impeached by the house, but acquitted by the Senate. Thus, Clinton was not convicted.

So back to 'give a dog a boneheads' statement, so what? Until you are convicted, you are innocent. But hey, since you love heresy so much, let's look into you and your friends, McPaddywhacadoodle, and Noah's pedo charges. Surely they must be true, with or without a conviction.

@Kannin,

Would you regard the saving of some 800,000 jobs In Ohio alone as "bizarre"?

what jobs?....total bullshiat

Obama was spectacularly wrong when he said that if he got the stimulus, unemployment would never rise above 8%.

You're spectacularly wrong when you keep saying that he said unemployment wouldn't go over 8% because he never did.

The total workforce is 155 million. The unemployment rate under Bush was 5%. Multiply those two numbers and you get an average of 7,750,000 workers who were unemployed.

Similarly, the average unemployment rate under Obama was 9% which translates to 13,950,000 unemployed workers.

That means that an average of 6 million fewer workers were employed under Obama than under Bush.

You libs can spin, deflect, make childish insults or blame whomever you want; but you can't change those basic truths.

Obama made his prediction regarding unemployment before he realized how serious the Repubs were on seeing him fail to help America recover. He's done pretty well in spite of the haters in the GOP.

Ah, here comes Kannin with his attack, attack, attack. Don't you mean Tora, Tora, Tora? What say ye oh Kannin with your Japanese name and your English words. Bachi-ga-ataru. Ain't karma a bee-atch?

The stench is coming from that dog eating Kenyan goat herder, Mr. Illegal.

Not according to Paul Ryan, Joe, and he's closer to both of them than you are!

I can see from your nasty comment your a lowlife

ANYONE but Mitt [Stench] Romney...

...then perhaps you and Mr. Romney can discuss with Congressman Ryan why he voted IN FAVOR of the GM Bailout.

Simple question Da Noid: Did Ryan make a good decision or a bad one?

That was a good decision by Ryan, as is his decision to distance himself from "Stench" Romney.

You sound like you have been whacking your paddy a little to much. Didn't your parents tell you to much of that will make you go insane or go blind.

Didn't your parents tell you to much of that will make you go insane or go blind.

He does shave his palms daily. One does wonder why he shaves his feet daily.

Simple question Da Noid: Did Ryan make a good decision or a bad one?

I believe you have missed the point. If your premise is that the GM bailout was bad then didn't Ryan make a bad decision to vote in favor of it?

Don't you love bailouts? What are you some kind of capitalist?

Well Chad, everything in Obama's agenda would most definitely be endorsed by Karl Marx, you know, the Father of Communism. Even Hugo Chavez and the Castro Brothers have taken a liking to Obama.

@sharky,

This Ohio voter does.