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Subscribe to RSSAt the annual Education Nation summit, President Obama and Mitt Romney described their plans for creating a better-educated country. NBC's Rehema Ellis reports.
NEW YORK-- Mitt Romney softened his tone toward teachers unions and highlighted his record as governor of Massachusetts at NBC News' Education Nation summit Tuesday in New York.
The Republican presidential nominee offered one of the most detailed glimpses of his education policy at the forum this morning, laying off his often brusque language toward unions and playing up parents' role in the educational success of their children.
At the Education Nation Summit NBC's Brian Williams spoke with GOP contender Mitt Romney, who shared his positions on teachers unions, strikes and compensation.
Teachers' unions, long the villains in Romney's public remarks on education, received somewhat gentler handling from the GOP nominee today, who said he "understood" the unions had to look out for their members, and that they had a right to strike over grievances -- but that parents also had the prerogative to look out for their kids' educations.
"The teachers' union has every right to represent their members in the way they think is best for their members, but we have a every right to in fact say, 'No, this is what we want to do, which is in the best interest of our children,'" Romney said, before offering his prescription for improving the quality of teaching. "I believe the best interest of our children is to recognize that teaching is a profession, like your profession, like my profession, like lawyers, like doctors, and that the very best are more highly compensated and rewarded and measured."
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The former Massachusetts governor spoke and took questions on topics relating to education for 45 minutes here today as part of NBC News' Education Nation summit, and gave some of his most nuanced views yet on the issues at the heart of the effort to improve America's faltering public education system.
Romney also softened his tone, but did not change his argument, on the issue of class sizes, an issue on which he's battled teachers unions before, both in Massachusetts and on the campaign trail. Romney has called the fight for smaller class sizes a union-driven issue designed to spur the hiring of more teachers. He regularly cites a study authored by the consulting group McKinsey & Co. which shows class sizes, within a reasonable margin, are not a leading indicator of successful schools.
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In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.
Today, Romney said his experience in Massachusetts taught him that class sizes "turned out to be a factor, but not a big one," to successful students, but continued to push for higher standards and pay for the best teachers, and for more parental involvement in education.
"The involvement of parents, particularly two parents, its an enormous advantage for the child," Romney said after retelling a story he heard from a teacher in Massachusetts who told him the way to tell if a student would succeed in school was whether or not their parents came to parent-teacher conferences with regularity.
Related: Education Nation – starkly different visions from Obama, Romney
Education has been one of the top issues for Romney outside 2012's dominant theme, the economy. The former Massachusetts governor often turns to the topic of education in speeches before minority audiences.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney spoke with NBC's Brian Williams on the importance of education, teachers compensation and early childhood education at Education Nation.
Romney held up several models for successful education reform; including his own tenure in Massachusetts, the reforms passed in Florida under Republican governor Jeb Bush, and the charter Harlem Children's Zone, some 100 blocks north of the site of today's event.
Romney even praised the current Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, mostly for his efforts to reward innovative schools and for opening options for more school choice, but stopped short of saying he would offer the Democrat a spot in his own cabinet.
"I'm not putting anybody on my cabinet right now, Brian," Romney laughed to moderator Brian Williams. "It's a little presumptuous of me, but just a little."
The Obama campaign wasn't laughing along.
“Mitt Romney’s education rhetoric today may have sounded nice, but it doesn’t square with his record or policies, which are informed by the mistaken belief that we can somehow improve our schools while cutting their budgets and laying off teachers," Obama campaign spokesperson Lis Smith said in a statement.
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You mean the one where Massachusetts was 47th in job creation?
Romney softens critique of unions at Education Nation summit
I'll say one thing for NitMitt, he can still Flip-Flop with the best of them. Wasn't he just telling the RWNJ's how he wanted to gut education and dismantle the dept of Ed? Or was that another NitMitt who said that. He confuses me.....
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Romney is so popular in Massachusetts, the state is backing President Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ma/massachusetts_romney_vs_obama-1804.html
Softens? hum.......wait until the crazy right get hold of him. I can bet that Mitt is going to flip flop on this before noon tomorrow.
Mass would back Obama if Mohammed himself were running. Wait... that's a contradiction. I'm not sure how Mass would vote if Mohammed were running... since both mythical creatures seem to be the same.
Well, Romney was governor there, after all...temporarily, I should add. It seems that Mass would choose any mythical being over Romney, which is not surprising given the fact that they have had prior experience with ol' Willard. At least an imaginary creature wouldn't destroy his hard drives and records after his term had ended, right?
Yeah Sailcat - the people of Mass absolutely hated Romney when he brought a $1.5 billion state deficit to a balanced budget. Makes perfect sense to me because that state is mostly democrat and democrats hate balanced budgets.
Brianb- the people of Mass. hate Romney. His programs almost destroyed the state. You don't have the sense of a rock!
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Your imagination is particularly active today, Brian. Maybe the pressure of your candidate crashing and burning is causing you to resort to making up arguments to support your insane fantasies. Don't worry: it'll all go away in November when America reelects our president. In the meantime, try to work on your bladder control: you've been pissing and moaning like your unsupportable arguments actually mean anything.
Romney's commie leanings are starting to surface. Major Tea Party alert.
Brian - we took a nice long, much needed vacation in the Boston area and in most of New England the end of July. We met a lot of nice folks (nope, not there visiting relatives or close friends, just went to see the nice New England landscape) from Philly to Manchester, NH, folks who work every day just like us, and could not find anyone who supported Mitt. Most of the folks in Boston told us that they were blessed because he was gone 1/2 the time he was in office so the damage he created was minimal and reversable. Plus they don't understand how the healthcare law he created for them is either not good enough for the rest of us or the rest of us are not good enough for the healthcare law. They are pretty happy with Gov. Deval though. Mitt is not going to carry MA and probably won't carry WI - which will be a first ever for a ticket to carry neither candidates home states.
FLIP FLOP, FLIP FLOP, FLIP FLOP!
What do you expect it's Mitt Flop
Romney sounds good, until you actually look at his plans & principals. Hasn't he stated that he wants to eliminate the Department of Education ?
That's one of the cuts he wants to make: Education, HUD, EPA, Social Security, Medicare, VA....
Romney is one of those who thinks the best government is one of chaos.
Ah, so now Mitt's record as governor is back on the table? How did he do on job creation?
What about his views on abortion?
What about his signature health-care law?
Careful Mitt,,, it's not too late to lose your base. You certainly are not going to win the middle with this pandering.
Careful Mitt,,, it's not too late to lose your base
Sacto - Why not. He's lost just about every other voting block, out there.....
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Sailcat said: Don't worry: it'll all go away in November when America reelects our president. In the meantime, try to work on your bladder control: you've been pissing and moaning like your unsupportable arguments actually mean anything.
Just hate to be shown up, eh? Now I have to work on MY bladder control. Do you have to resort to insults because your case dried up and blew away? I guess so since you really don't have an argument anymore. Nice to have shut you down... he who tosses out insults first, loses. Childish, very childish!
Romney flip-flopped again? Of course he did... and he'll be bashing unions at your local evangelical rally tomorrow.
He's like a fish out of water, flip, flop, flip, flop, flip, flop....
Geez, the flip flopping of Mitt Romney never stops. What a pandering, two-faced, forqued-tongue person Romney is. Does he really think that softening his tone on unions today will improve his standing with teachers, will wipe out all the nasty, demonizing things he's said previously? David Plouffe is right, Mitt Romney lacks a core. His beliefs are whatever he needs them to be depending on where he is--trust him? Not for a moment.
Obama/Biden 2012. 4 more for 44!
Goodness! I must have missed that! Could you point it out to me, please? And while we're at it, I rest my case again because it's exhausted from kicking your case's ass over and over again. You really need to work on your rational thinking skills, by the way. You're making this way too easy.
When does Mitt's rhetoric (or Ryan's for that matter) EVER square with their record or policies??? Are you GOP'rs getting tired of having such LOUSY LYING CANDIDATES?????
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Brianb, childish is your post #1.4.
When conservatives cannot argue the merits and qualifications of their own candidate, they blow the "secret Muslim" or birth certificate dog whistles to deflect. Romney was a failure as governor and for those who say he inherited a mess in Massachusetts, Mitt followed a previous GOP governor who followed a previous GOP governor.
Hi boys and girls...can you LIAR ???
Ahh heck Jody, if you are going to start calling out posters for being childish, your gonna need a lot of time.
I think you need to call out Madonna, who in a concert recently told her fans in a profanity laden vote of support for the President that we finally had a "Black Muslim" in the White House.
That is the kind of stuff that really ought to upset you.
I'm worry about Feisty Redhead. She is usually the first to post on every article. Can someone check on her?
Romney doesn't even seem to have basic common sense.
What an absolute idiot.
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TO: Road Warrior-252445 who wrote:
I heard she pissed off some Republican RWNJ and got herself suspended by Newsvine for a week, is all I know. It sure seems like it's been that long already.
I hope someone will follow your advice and get back to us.
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n a funny way, i do hope obozo gets reelected by you ignorant fools.
when he taxes the one percent and lowers the debt for 12 hours you are next
and your kids will think you were the stupidest people on the planet, destroying the last bastion, beacon shall i be so bold, to embrace socialism, which so many died to defend against
liberals. self serving selfish fools too smug to listen
oh yeah, hows that new downgrade?
hows the middle east doing?
hows that fiscal cliff gonna be handled?
how are 23 million americans gonna find a job?
hows that french economy now that they decided to "tax the rich?" dont know? whys that hmmmm?
what will you all do when the economy contracts again nov 7th?
it will be too late for sorry
Layton, so what is the answer on education, as I didn't hear one from Liz, it sounds like the same old broken record need to spend more money, which how has that worked, I believe the USA is somewhere around 17th in the world, anyway, Romney is offering a solution, not just words which is what this President is all about, his actions speak louder than his words, as he is the most arrogant and divisive President we have every had, please wake up before he destroys America and yours and my children and grandchildren freedoms and liberties.
I think Obama is bored with being President. Seems like he started out with the right attitude, but about 3 months in he just seemed to fizzle out.
Maybe he is back on the crack?
rightisright-5861504
in a funny way, i do hope obozo gets reelected by you ignorant fools.
So then how is it that a President get ELECTED by "ignorant fools"?
Are you claiming that's what the majority of voters are?
I suggest by next year you follow Rush Limpballs into Costa Rica. I hear he's looking for a partner.
Obama supporters are the DUMBEST People EVER! They like Obama for no reason, they don't know what he has done, they don't know anything about the constitution, and some of them don't even know how many states there are! Here are some supporters here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8
sirie
I think Obama is bored with being President.
Really? Last time I heard his campaign was doing just fine.
Thanks to Obama and Bush, there are now over 600,000,000 Laws in the United States and Counting, Yes, America! Land of the FEE and Home of the SLAVE! Oh, not to mention, half of the things that you can do that are legal, makes you a Terrorists/Terrorist suspect (like having more than 7 days of food in your home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD1T61oTrR8
Now Obama's EPA is making a 4 Gallon of Gas mandate!: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-a-environment/249857-epas-four-gallon-minimum-mandate
A Chicken in every pot, and an Etch a Sketch in every classroom!
Good old Mitt. Tries to sound like a Democrat when it suits him. :)
WCA: "That is the kind of stuff that really ought to upset you."
Why pray tell? Actually that's the kind of stuff that is certain to excite you. It's about all you got. Enjoy!
f6zmann: "Obama supporters are the DUMBEST People EVER! They like Obama for no reason, they don't know what he has done,"
Just to enlighten you--here's a list of only a FEW of President Obama's accomplishments:
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and investment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
Sorry to burst your bubble with facts--but please don't let that ruin your day. Hope and Change trumps Despair and Stagnation every time, huh?
Have a nice day and thanks for playing!
JohnI - I'll try and give you a quick response. I think that Romney is full of gas when he spouts that he's all for rewarding innovative schools and options while taking away the benefits of teachers. Class size does matter and vouchers don't work. They tried those for awhile in Utah, but due to such large families, there was quite a back-lash as people wanted to send their kids to public school as they couldn't afford charters or private. As with most of Mitt's ideas, he has no clue what the school system is like for inner city children with single parents, parents with two jobs, etc. He just doesn't get it.
Once again, the President tried to work with Congress to overhaul No Child left behind and ended up using executive powers to allow local schools to set new levels and accountability systems. (Very reminiscent to me of what he wants with Welfare and Medicaid).
Funny how the President continually tries to give power back to the States with whatever means he can (because Congress won't) yet all you Republicans are just pissed off because he did and can't support him ONLY because the President succeeded where your Congress FAILED!
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@F6Zman:
Did you READ the article? Do you UNDERSTAND the reasoning behind this?? To quote from the article:
The four-gallon minimum is meant to prevent damage to engines that cannot handle E15, and is ONLY a mandate if the retailer is unable to have a dedicated hose for the E15.
The article is filled with Mr. Sensenbrenner's (R-Wis) outrage, but if you read the ENTIRE article, he actually explains (probably much to his - and your - surprise) why this would be a good idea.
Is this the BEST solution? Possibly not - but it does offer two alternatives: a dedicated hose for E15, or a minimum four-gallon purchase.
And the alternative solution YOU propose? We're waiting...
There are a lot of reality checks about Romney, one of them comes from factcheck.org and the claims about Romney's time in Mass as gov. Read it and maybe you can get by the political retoric.
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obama-twists-romneys-economic-record/
What's that high pitched screeching noise????? OH, it's the libbies with their "witty comments" again trying to prop up a failed president. It won't work libbies, Mitt will win with a landslide! Count on it!!!
This man seems to say what people want to hear at the education forum. However, then he turns around and says the complete opposite at another speech rally. Romney is not to be trusted.
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Yet again I am reminded of Joe Isuzu. Do you think he's Mitt's twin brother? I really want to hear him say "Riiight..."
Too late Mitt, we know where you stand.
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Romney did what is required by Mass Constitution - Massachusetts' Constitution requires a yearly balanced budget so woopty doo
Bill in PDX
"And the alternative solution YOU propose? We're waiting..."
Easy, get rid of ethanol! Using food for fuel was a dumb idea all along.
The point is, bayllie, he did it. And, the fact that he inherited a $1.5 billion from his Democrat predecessor, indictates that the Mass constitution was being violated by the Dems. So woopty doo to you, too!
That high pitch sound isn't the libbies it's the fat lady singing her ass off ...Romneys already got the fork stuck in his ass, he's done and getting dried out !! Time to toss this in the dogs dish he ain't good for real people ! Obama in a landslide ..2012 ...2016 Hillary will take over !
This quote says it all: "I believe the best interest of our children is to recognize that teaching is a profession, like your profession, like my profession, like lawyers, like doctors, and that the very best are more highly compensated and rewarded and measured."
Liberals can't fathom treating people differently. They like to penalize success and reward failure. You should measure their performance and pay them accordingly. Romney understands business, success, economy, working to achieve something.
Liberals only understand entitlement, taking from those who work hard and giving to those who don't. Why shouldn't the best teachers make more money? Who do you want teaching your kid?
If Flip Flopping was a Olympic Sport. The Mittster would win GOLD hands down the best flip flopper of my lifetime and I have seen some real good ones.
btw
Romney we Independent Voters would like to see at least 5 years of tax returns, No Tax returns no INDEPENDENT VOTES
The GOP is a union-busting party.
The Republicans do not believe in fair pair for workers, health care benefits for workers, vacation pay for workers and retirement benefits for workers. The right is scornful of the grievance process that union workers have access. Who does Romney thinks he is hoodwinking?
Walker, the governor of Wisconsin well represents the anti-union sentiment of the GOP. Romney's sudden change of tone about unions is another flip-flop and another desperate attempt to grab the White House. If Romney should stumble his way into the Oval Office, his only concern will be for the 1%, the wealthy, the powerful. Assuredly, he will not be a friend of the American worker.
Obama/Biden 2012!
T'was the night before elections,
And all thru' the town,
Tempers were flaring
Emotions ran up and down.
I, in my bathrobe
With a cat in my lap,
Had shut off the TV,
tired of political crap.
When all of a sudden,
There arose such a noise,
I peered out my window,
Saw Obama and his boys
They had come for my wallet,
They wanted my pay
To hand out to others
Who had not worked a day!
He snatched up my money,
And quick as a wink,
Jumped back on his bandwagon
As I gagged from the stink.
He then rallied his henchmen
Who were pulling his cart.
I could tell they were out
To tear my country apart!
'On Fannie, on Freddie,
On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, on Pelosi'
He screamed at the pairs!
They took off for his cause,
And as they flew out of sight,
I heard him laugh at a nation
Who wouldn't stand up and fight!
So I leave you to think on this one final note...
IF YOU DON'T WANT SOCIALISM GET OUT AND VOTE !!!!
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correction:
The right is scornful of the grievance process that union workers have access to.
whiskey eye
They had come for my wallet,
The GOP robbed America. In the process, the party snatched many houses, retirement savings, investment savings and homes.
They wanted my pay
The GOP does want the pay of the average citizen. This is why the right is clamoring for a nationwide "right to work" agenda. No minimum pay!
To hand out to others
The GOP hand out American paychecks and jobs to foreign "toilers."
Who had not worked a day
The GOP has slammed every Democratic employment bill.
The above reason is why there are unemployed Americans.
according to the internet Obama is more disliked than romney....
whatdoestheinternetthink (dot) net /barack%20obama
whatdoestheinternetthink (dot) net /mitt%20romney
go too those links and see for yourself
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here you go again making no sense. 4 out of 5 Mass governors were Republicans so how do you explain that? Scott Brown id a Republican. Why is it so hard for you to accept that residents of Mass just don't like Romney because after they gave him a job, they got f*cked..
spider-737231
so did every governor BEFORE Romney and AFTER Romney so woopty doo
@seekingsanity #1.7 wrote ""the people of Mass. hate Romney. His programs almost destroyed the state.""
It's nice to see an Obama supporter realize that Obamacare will destroy (bankrupt) the country...
whiskey eye, your "poem" is rancid.
...however, since you are a supporter of the tyrannical right-wing agenda, your nonsensical dribble is of no surprise.
Can't wait for the debates. The President and Vice-president need only recite opposing views of Romney and Ryan against themselves(and each other) to carry the day. How can you win a debate against a very worthy opponent while you are still debating your own views with yourself?
two names for all you Democrats that think you have the answers. barney frank and Chris Dodds great examples of democratic buffoon's
dirp 1.12
Have you forgotten that we are no longer the country of milk and honey!? There is a $16 Trillion lead weight hanging on all our necks!
"Education, HUD, EPA, Social Security, Medicare, VA...."
All of these departments have bloated bureaucracies that are in need of cleaning out and rejuvenating. Romney may just be the man to do it. Turning around our finances is a long term project and there will be some pain before there is any gain.
So dirp be patient, change for better is coming our way.
Put the working man back to work and all of those needs will be met. Addressing corporate welfare, lobbyists, the military industrial complex, ridiculously low tax-rates for the wealthy and campaign finance reform will provide prosperity to rival the very best of times for all.
The only pain to be felt will be growing pains and the howls from the greediest few that held high hopes of actually owning all of the United States (with their "trickle-down" nonsense) by reducing her true owners to slaves and servants.
Let me personally state that I am a full supporter of unions, and I think that education reform is compatible with unions. My personal pet project for education reform would include full federal financing (relieving states of the burden of financing from states and local governments) via perhaps a VAT or a tax on carbon emissions, merit-based pay but with a floor of 75% of median income in a local school district, a commission to identify waste and fraud in the system, across-the-board increases in standards, less emphasis on standardized tests (but maintain them as important) and more on actual learning, modernizing teaching methods, hiring more teachers, modification of tenure to focus more on merit, and standards for teachers that would focus hiring on the top 10-15% of Americans. I'd also eliminate all charter schools that only perform as good or worse than public schools and put a larger emphasis on learning math, science and reading. And I would either nationalize the higher education system (except for nonprofits) or negotiate directly with colleges for lower tuition rates and debt-forgiveness for student loans. Finally, I'd model our system after those systems that are at the top of the education list and use my liberal edge to persuade the unions to give a little for broad reform. Hopefully, this would improve our standing in the world...
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I really wonder how many right wonders will hold their nose when they vote for Romney. Nobody in their right mind would support this guy. He waffles here and waffles there and then flips the etch a sketch, and waffles some more. Of course we are talking to the same crowd that voted not once but twice for George W. bush and we all know how that turned out.
He can soften his tone all he wants, it won't do any good. There's not a sane educator in the United States who will vote for education-hating Republicans. Unless they're evangelical, and those people don't "think" anyway. They just blindly follow the imaginary voice of Jesus in their heads.
Willard, do the flip, flop
Willard, do the filp, flop
Willard, do the flip, flop
Thats what he's all about.
If you went to work, twiddled your thumbs, and blocked everyone else from getting anything done for two years, you’d be fired.
But this Tea Party Congress thinks they can get away with it.
They’ve blocked nearly every single item President Obama has proposed, all while pushing an extreme right-wing agenda that puts millionaire tax breaks before the middle class. Haven’t you had enough of it?
Romney softens his talk about unions:
TRANSLATION; 1, 2, 3 FLIPFLOPPING AGAIN!!!!!!
In the Same Day!!!!!
@ JohnI at 1.27 .... I responded to your very vehement and pointed question at 1.37 .... and your response is .......
Just asking! You ask a question, get an answer and run away ....
So telling!
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Cleary Romney's correct that there's some holes in our past educational system. How else would you explain his stupidity?
Mitt the Twit (along with his blond whiny wife) must have sold his soul to the devil himself. Romney with his 10 x multiple faces speaks again with contradictions about his recent past statements. Money is the only thing that Romney has any respect for. And the flaming J.A. thinks we believe and trusts what he says. LOL !!!! I guess he thinks our 47% are completely ignorant. He sure is in for a big surprise in Nov. All sides from our families intend to vote straight Democratic.
Romney will stop at nothing to win the White House. So just what do you think that he'll do after if he should win--LOL ?!? Once a flaming liar, always a liar !!
To whiskey eye (Post #.51):
What do you and a parrot have in common? You always say the same ole thing everyday. Have you run out of anything new to say?.
Stacey Peterson
I think she is referring to all Romney policies (for example, like raising most fees on average residents or cutting education budgets). RomneyCare is not the only thing Romney did...
Thank God Romneywas gone half the time to campaign for his 2008 (also losing) presidential bid or the damage would have had been more severe.
Meanwhile, Romney was caught on video bashing the entitled teachers and their scum-sucking unions.
That's OK... since Obama was caught on video telling everyone he believes in redistribution of wealth.
Hey Brianb1956, you just seem really angry and bitter because you know that President Obama is going to win. Is that it?
Which has been part of this country since its founding, and is even present in the US Constitution? Oh my, such an evil phrase. I sincerely hope your children turn out less stupid than you.
Brian, Romney got caught lying about the "redistribution" thing. Why do you want to raise a sore subject for your failed candidate?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/20/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-redistribution-has-never-been-cha/
Seattle Dad - Now where would you get angry and bitter from? I know... because you adore Obama, you think I should too and speak his platitudes... well ain't gonna happen champ. Obama is a fraud and he keeps his minions well under control.... minions like you. Now that's something I can laugh at.
Actually, Brian, the desperation that is becoming increasingly evident in your posts is pretty darned funny, too. Is President Obama's inevitable reelection starting to wear on you?
Yeah, Mitt just wants it redistributed to his wealthy friends from the American worker's back.
Sailcat... There's no lie involved. Obama himself said it... At Loyola University. He hasn't changed his spots... and I didn't mention anything about what Romney said about it... You seem to have this fixation on Romney. Collapse this link and view it for yourself.
h t t p : //www.youtube . com /watch? v = z 0pUUpa5X4E
Brian, I said Romney had been lying in his interpretations of the redistribution thing and he was busted for it. You are simply clinging desperately to anything that could be potentially construed as negative regarding our president...no matter how flimsy or weak it may be. Your asinine arguments are working against you, little guy. Give it up.
That's OK... since Obama was caught on video telling everyone he believes in redistribution of wealth.
Brian 1956 - You needed to listen to his whole statement. Not just what Rush stated...
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Sailcat-2064101 said:
Actually, Brian, the desperation that is becoming increasingly evident in your posts is pretty darned funny, too. Is President Obama's inevitable reelection starting to wear on you?
What do I have to be desperate about? This country will become very desperate if Obama wins... I give it a year, possibly 2 before the economy collapses. I've taken measures to protect my family when it falls under Obama's control. I've plenty of food stored, clothing, a crap load of silver, stockpiling salt (currency) and let's not forget the ammo... plenty of ammo.
I rest my case.
GT are you speaking about how Obama said that he believes in redistribution or a level of redistribution so everyone has a shot? Is that the line you were referring to? Or was it the build up to that conclusion, where he explains how government is the answer and that the private sector doesn't hold all the keys?
If you can't see where this will lead this nation, then welcome to tyranny... and the new America... Where the Obama flag is raised and the Constitution is trashed and burned. I hope you enjoy living in squalor under government control. History has proven this type of ideology is bad for the people and good for only those at the top. Since you aren't at the top... you will fall into the rabble... and will be treated as such.
Sailcat said: I rest my case.
What's to rest? You never had a case.
I rest my case again.
Brian you cant win friend. Xaber just makes up @!$%# especially about the constitution. He refers to the preamble to describe what he believes is redistribution. This idiot says they were 47th in job creation but fails to metion under romney mass. had less than 4.5% unemployment. Most already had a job.
Brianb1956 is trolling... don't feed the trolls.
Lying, cheating, greedy, selfish, flip-flopping candidate Romney is desperate and therefor his Teabag army is also desperate. We will continue to see more and more outrageous rhetoric coming from these mouth-breathers but there is no point trying to argue with idiots.
What is important is winning not only the presidency but also the downticket elections so we can send these lunatics to the unemployment line.
I didn't know the 5th Amendment was the Preamble.
Then who will support your socialist society without those of us working hmmm
its the more I tell the story the more i believe it syndrome.
except Xabie did say that it was also in the Preamble. But Xabie was wrong no matter what. Since there is no wealth tax, you can't re-distribute wealth. Im hoping xabie can explain income vs wealth.
Ah! It's Caesar! I thought I felt the collective IQ in the room go down by 20-30 points and Presto! You're here! So, how's the blithering idiot thing been working for you?
actually they do have the death tax, so after they tax your arse to death alive they want to take even more from you when your dead..for old times sake
Brianb1956
Sailcat-2064101 said:
Good, sounds like you're about to crawl back under your rock.
Obama/Biden 2012
TO: Sailcat-2064101 who wrote:
LOL!
Caesar is a relentless "yammerer" so I had to put him on "Ignore" (lucky me!).
Obama/Biden 2012
tell me teach how am i doing? still meeting at your place tonight right? I did pay for a 40 hour session on being a blithering idiot. You're going to give me monies worth right Teach?
so income vs wealth sally?
Except he didn't, but don't let that stop you from being a liar. :)
40 hour sessions? Really? You have to admit that was pretty weak. Caesar. No only was the insult diluted by a number of irrelevant asides, but there was no punch to it, either. No bite. Honestly, if you can't keep up with the big dogs, you are going to have stay on the porch with the puppies, little guy.
How embarrassing.
Brian: "That's OK... since Obama was caught on video telling everyone he believes in redistribution of wealth."
Don't you mean ROMNEY? Romney certainly believes in the "redistribution of wealth" UPWARDS. Takes from the poor and middle class via our tax codes, etc. and gives to Romney's "victims" (aka the top 1%--those poor ultra Rich). Boo hoo!
im shamed! i cant be a bigger dolt to play with lefty FR friends. somehow i'll survive but thanks for the concern.
Brian must be a masochist. He is getting his arse kicked and he keeps coming back for more.
Oh, let the libbies howl while they can. The only ones sounding desperate are the libs as they can surely feel it slipping. LOL LOL LOL Mitt will win big just like Reagan over stupid carter. obumbo/carter, what a pair!!!
Jeff-1592116
Except he didn't, but don't let that stop you from being a liar. :)
Yes, Jeff, he did, but don't let that stop you from being ignorant!
@seekingsanity wrote ""the people of Mass. hate Romney. His programs almost destroyed the state.""
It's nice to see an Obama supporter realize that Obamacare will destroy (bankrupt) the country...
according to the internet Obama is more disliked than romney....
whatdoestheinternetthink (dot) net /barack%20obama
whatdoestheinternetthink (dot) net /mitt%20romney
go too those links and see for yourself
OH, and at 4.5% unemployment there isn't much jb growth to be done, hell, I am surprised he had any!
ALL TOGETHER NOW ooohhbaaaahhhhhhhma, ooobahhhhhhhhhhahhama
If you went to work, twiddled your thumbs, and blocked everyone else from getting anything done for two years, you’d be fired.
But this Tea Party Congress thinks they can get away with it.
They’ve blocked nearly every single item President Obama has proposed, all while pushing an extreme right-wing agenda that puts millionaire tax breaks before the middle class. Haven’t you had enough of it?
john, like stopping obozo from spending even more, if thats even possible?
tea party trying to show fiscal responsibility?
THE HORROR!?
Good grief... I have met chicken little and her name is Brianb1956... she belongs to farmer Seizure Gustas, the kid who drags his plow behind the short bus while eating his crayons. But it's ok little Seizure, soon the elections will be over, Mittsy will be history and you can go back to licking frozen windows
That has to be a new record for Mittens. He both flipped and flopped in one sentence!
Unlike the drawn out flip then flop Obama's administration claimed about the middle east attacks were not, then were, terrorist attacks.
Brianb1956
The article is about teachers ... stick to the point.
brian, are you just making thing up out of random thoughts? Or may be your just repeating what hennety tells you what to think.
Unlike the drawn out flip then flop Obama's administration claimed about the middle east attacks were not, then were, terrorist attacks
Brian 1956 - They weren't flip-flops. They waited to get the facts and adjusted them accordindingly. Unlike Mitt, who jumped the gun on his, Showing everyone what an idiot he really is.....
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O&Joe 2012
Mitt just saw it sooner than obozo did. sorry this idiot takes a week to figure out what most of us knew within 24 hrs. How can you call mitt an idiot when he was right and now your guy is switching to the same stance?
GT give me a break. They knew this was going to happen before it happened. It was the anniversary of 9/11. The whole cartoon video thing was a scam to place a motive behind their attacks and it was spoon fed to the people in this country. Do you know when the video was released? It was released in APRIL. That alone shows the attacks were deliberate and planned... since when aren't we aware of attacks from terrorists given that amount of time?
You liberals will believe anything Obama tells you... sad, very sad.
Except for the POS brianb....all of those loud muth liar RWNJ's seem to have flown the coop !
It's getting cold out here Mr.B..... if you had a real set, you'd be tucking tail with your brother idiots & finding a deep hole to hide in for the next EIGHT YEARS !
HRC in 2016
If the shoe fits.......
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
nurse
I'll bet you may be the only other person here who knows who Duchamp was!
Maybe I'm being cruel and elitist. Well, maybe I am! But then............
Thank you for the nod Ferrosynthesis. I may also be one of the few who know what your name means! Hail to us "cruel and elitist types!" Art saves!
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
This FR post is kind of like "dog bites man". I'd be more likely to read one that says "Romney states a consistent position."
Mr Fibs.........we just don't waste time with a bunch of blowhard liberals with no clue. Better wait til obumbo gives you your new talking point, though, ya'll are getting boring.
Very boring!
You guys will stay bored until our president is reelected. You'll feel better then. Really.
If you went to work, twiddled your thumbs, and blocked everyone else from getting anything done for two years, you’d be fired.
But this Tea Party Congress thinks they can get away with it.
They’ve blocked nearly every single item President Obama has proposed, all while pushing an extreme right-wing agenda that puts millionaire tax breaks before the middle class. Haven’t you had enough of it?
Romney/Ryan have been opposed to certified professionals for their entire life.
After last night's fiasco, Romney/Ryan are running scared knowing Americans want certified professional union officials back on the NFL field.
Why have Romney/Ryan pushed for non-certified teachers to teach our children?
What's this association between certified teachers being all union? Do you believe every state in this country has teachers unions? All teachers have to be certified, but not everyone has to be in the union. Strange disconnect in your comment Debbie.
I've got to admit having Brian B on ignore makes First Read so much more interesting. He ought to follow suit and put himself on ignore, he might like it too!
Brianb1956 is correct. There are five states that have outlawed teacher unions---and even collective bargaining---for decades.
Those states are Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Texas: All of them, year after year---with the recent exception of Virginia---have been at or near the very bottom of the national rankings, generally between the 43rd and 50th slots.
If getting rid of teachers unions---and outlawing collective bargaining completely---was a "good idea" in right-wing theory, then why has it worked out so very poorly in reality?
Those five states also have some of the lowest paid teachers.
Brian - all teachers do not have to be certified, those working for charter schools, in private schools or in Florida public schools do not have to be certified. College teachers do not have to be certified (they mearly have to have a bachelor degree or better for what they teach - which is why I had so many rotten instructors). For the safety and sanity of the teacher I prefer certified teachers, for the safety, sanity, and quality education I as a tax payer and parent prefer certified teachers.
"There are five states that have outlawed teacher unions---and even collective bargaining---for decades. Those states are Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Texas: All of them, year after year---with the recent exception of Virginia---have been at or near the very bottom of the national rankings, generally between the 43rd and 50th slots"
The real comparison is between massively failing unionized public schools, and private schools....you lose!
@Bob in Virginia:
Are you seriously trying to rationalize the poor high school graduation rates of red states?
While Louisiana has a union, teachers are not required to belong to it. Teachers in Louisiana are required to be certified unless they are substitute or a teacher's aid.
The teachers union in Louisiana does very little to shape employment conditions, wages or benefits. The union does require hefty dues. I taught there for 5 years as a CERTIFIED teacher. I did not join the union after discovering they were nothing but a money grubbing scam that did very little to help the teacher.
Florida is a right to work state and there's no requirement to join the union. Many teachers opt out because again, here in this state the union is a money grubbing scam that does very little to help teachers. Not all unions are good... and not all unions help their members.
It's always best when a candidate can take both sides on every issue.
TO: Larry-367607 who wrote:
Romney's got a whole lot more than just 2 sides.
Obama/Biden 2012
Wow! I just watched that You Tube Video interviewing Obama Voters in 2008! What the hell do they teach in UNION SCHOOLS now?
I'm sorry people but if this is the average Obama Democrat Voter
No wonder the MSM LIES
They clearly know DEMOCRATS vote "feelings" which would explain the almost Criminal actions by the MSM. It works!
Romney is a sociopath who will say or do anything and step on anyone he thinks he needs to in order to get what he wants. He lies without guilt and has demonstrated no feelings for humans or animals alike (Seamus the dog for example). While no Jeffery Dahmer, Romney exibits all the traits of a sociopath. Do you want a sociopath to be the leader of the free world?
Xabre
@Bob in Virginia:
Are you seriously trying to rationalize the poor high school graduation rates of red states?
Yeah, because we all know Chicago is in a red state, and D.C.
If you went to work, twiddled your thumbs, and blocked everyone else from getting anything done for two years, you’d be fired.
But this Tea Party Congress thinks they can get away with it.
They’ve blocked nearly every single item President Obama has proposed, all while pushing an extreme right-wing agenda that puts millionaire tax breaks before the middle class. Haven’t you had enough of it?
Nice swipe at single parents Mr.
QuayleRomney. Yet one more step backwards to the days of Murphy Brown. Let me guess, those parents have to also be straight and married. There isn't anything forward about Romney, it is all backward steps. Hope Romneybot has eyes in the back of his head as well.RedDevPS
Red - you would spin anything that the oposition would say. Yet you will Idolise Mr Obama even if he were to say that is is the only God.
Two or more parents are better than one most of the time. Sometimes one parent can do the job better than 2 or more, depending how they get alone.
I feel sorry for you folks once the Elections are over. If Romney or Obama win, life will go on for me and my family and you will not see me post anything anymore. However if Romney wins they will have to restrain you and your 10 or so followers of Obama for life.
Please if you talk to SS, tell him that I'm still waiting for his explanation on the Latino demographic Vote and how it affects the elections?
I see you caught that too RedDev. As he was saying that, I thought of one young mother I know, who is a widow, lost her husband in a car accident 3 years ago. She has two young children, works 2 jobs, 1 full time another parttime on the weekends and spends all her free time with them. The oldest one is doing really well in school and the other is thriving in PreK. There are millions more like her my own mother was too, widowed at 37. We turned out fine.
This is one of Mitt Romney's biggest failings his inability to see beyond his own narrow world and why he thinks 47% are not worth bothering with. Most people do not live in a cookie cutter environment not even Mormons.
GBM - of course, in an ideal Mormon family, the child could have two, three or MORE parents!
Gingerbread Mamma
Not even Mormons! Wow, talk about indefernces about other people's religions. I wonder if others catch your the meaning of your comment.
How sad that you would say something like that. But the liberals would say anything to vilafy any opponent.
Ginger your story on single mothers and you forgot single fathers are more of the exception than the rule. Yes some single Parents do wonders but we can see that in most inner cities that is not true. Please look at the statistics, they tell you the truth.
Do you really in your heart belive that Romney is like how you paint him?
Ursula - that is low, families come in all shapes, Two women, two men, is that wrong also for you?
Absolutely not - just ribbing the Mormon doctrine of polygamy...which I do think is wrong.
Ursula-279622
Ursula - I think you are stuck in the 18th century or so. That is not practice any more.
Whew!! Only 40 more days.
So Ursula, you said: Absolutely not - just ribbing the Mormon doctrine of polygamy...which I do think is wrong.
Polygamy is wrong, but homosexuality is OK? What's wrong with a man having several wives if a man can sleep with another man sexually? Is it a one on one thing that passes your litmus test? Many men fantasize about having several women at one time... Doesn't the transverse happen to women? They never fantasize?
Personally I am against polygamy... dealing with just one woman is hard enough... I couldn't imagine dealing with several of them at one time.
Just kidding... just kidding!
Brian - Glad to see that you picked up on the set up. good for you.
Their hypocrisy is incredible.
Because 1:1 and 1:2..* are totally the same.
Personally, I am highly skeptical even one woman could put up with your craziness. To think several would endure your special brand of survivalist insanity is just plain silly.
No kidding, not kidding...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/us/12raid.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www
Polygamy is against the law. I don't care what fantasies of multiple partners people have (gay or straight), they cannot marry all of them at the same time.
Ursula you forgot to read offshoot, extremist just like Muslim and Muslims extremist practice the religion diffenently.
Romneys religion is not the extreme or offshoot no matter what you say or the NYTimes prints.
Why do you think Romney's grandparents moved to Mexico? I guess they were extreme back then then became more reasonable so they could return to the US.
But I didn't say Romney, I said an ideal Mormon family, because if it wasn't illegal, some Mormons would still be practicing polygamy here and now.
Sailcat: "Personally, I am highly skeptical even one woman could put up with your craziness. To think several would endure your special brand of survivalist insanity is just plain silly."
Thank you! You took the words right out of my mouth! Spot on!
RedDevPS ..
Whew!! Only 40 more days.
I'm hoping that was Concern and I did note that she stated no matter who won she'd leave! Regarding polygamy, Hello!!!! Trust me there are huge polygamous compounds all over Utah. I used to drive by one on the way to work. Talk about welfare scammers!!!
Go watch the full series of Big Love for a great eye into modern day polygamy and then goole the Kingston family, Hillsdale, etc.
Obama/Biden 2012
If you went to work, twiddled your thumbs, and blocked everyone else from getting anything done for two years, you’d be fired.
But this Tea Party Congress thinks they can get away with it.
They’ve blocked nearly every single item President Obama has proposed, all while pushing an extreme right-wing agenda that puts millionaire tax breaks before the middle class. Haven’t you had enough of it?
Romney shapes his remarks to fit whatever he thinks the audience wants to hear. How is this leadership?
I would add, Teaching is a vocation....Teachers are Professionals.
Professionals are accountable for results, and subject to being let go for failure to produce. Success in teaching students would be the goal of a professional.
Unionized teachers are not professionals---they can never be fired, get lifetime jobs and dont have to worry , so they can take it easy....they have no accountability.
Good Morning All
I saw the interview with Brian this morning and one of the things that struck me was Mr. Romney's Critique of the teachers union. He stated that he wanted to take the money out of the equation. meaning politicians that take money from teachers unions should not be allowed to negotiate contracts. simply because they might have some bias in the negotiations. To me this is the same as a politicians taking money from a oil company and then voting on bills to regulate that industry. If you are against the moneys influence one way but not the other you are a Hypocrite and that is the biggest problem with Mitt, Its OK for business to buy our leaders but when a group of citizens do the same thing it is wrong . Its wrong to go into a negotiation from a position of strength and try to get whats fair. Unions are the big bad guy's in the room because they are a double edged sword they come with votes and money lethal combination when you are on the other side of the battle field.
Yes even Pimps get rid of their professionals when they don't do well.
If you went to work, twiddled your thumbs, and blocked everyone else from getting anything done for two years, you’d be fired.
But this Tea Party Congress thinks they can get away with it.
They’ve blocked nearly every single item President Obama has proposed, all while pushing an extreme right-wing agenda that puts millionaire tax breaks before the middle class. Haven’t you had enough of it?
So, if you're a single parent and go to parent/teacher conferences 100% of the time, is that as good as two parents going 50% of the time?
I'll tell you what would make a difference, make dead-beat fathers pay their child support so kids could go to school with full backpacks and full bellies. Better yet, tell philandering husbands to keep it zipped so you can reduce divorce in the first place.
Comments like Romney's insult every single parent who's ever had to deal with raising children on their own - as though somehow we're second-class parents.
My secret Republican decoder ring (which they forgot to take back when I left the party) says that what Mitt was really saying was "particularly two parents of different sexes who married each other in a religious ceremony (as long as it wasn't Muslim)". So in one comment he insulted single parents and same sex couples---a two-fer for Mitt.
Wow, you libbies hear just what you want to hear.
A simple comment (not from the Obama ) talking about the advantage of 2 parents being more than just one & go ape stuff.
If you went to work, twiddled your thumbs, and blocked everyone else from getting anything done for two years, you’d be fired.
But this Tea Party Congress thinks they can get away with it.
They’ve blocked nearly every single item President Obama has proposed, all while pushing an extreme right-wing agenda that puts millionaire tax breaks before the middle class. Haven’t you had enough of it?
This is shameful on Romney's part. He pulls out one business-oriented study to back up his claim that "smaller classes don't help" in education.
Really? Well, then tell us, Mitt: Why did you go to an expensive private school where your average class was between 14 and 18 students? And, wasn't "small class size" one of the benefits highlighted by the school to prospective students and their families?
Didn't you also send your boys to an expensive, private school where their classes never had more than 18 or 19 students? And wasn't that one of the reasons you sent them there?
It's funny how the Ruling Elite---the people with power, money, status and influence---almost always want schools with very small class sizes. Yet they'll try and argue that smaller classes "make no difference". It's nonsense. They're not being honest.
If you want to know how any Powerful Person REALLY feels about the importance of class size, look at the school that they've selected for THEIR children. That's when the truth will come out, whether we're talking about Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, Eli Broad, or almost anyone else who holds great wealth and power.
If small classes are important for the children of Mitt Romney, why then is he telling the rest of us that "they're no big deal"?
"Good for ME, Bad for Thee"---is that what he's saying?
Seattle Dad--- He doesn't know what he's saying. The man is an idiot and so is anyone who would vote for him.
Smaller class sizes make sense because it would seem rather dangerous to me if I were the only adult in a room with 40 or 50 students who were 15 - 17 year olds.
Note to Brianb1956: Yes there are inconsistencies in every political campaign, but Romney's seems to be the most consistently inconsistent, even to the point his campaign staff declared that once he was through the primariers, he would be like an etch-a-sketch and quickly gravitate away from the hard core, rightwing extremism required of him to win the nomination. Whatever you post to promote Romney's presidential bid, there will always be Romney's 47% comment candidly made to that group of plutocrats who paid $50,000 each to attend the fundraiser - an amount that exceeds the annual average income of most Americans.
Diane
I always trust what a person says when he's with his "peers" then I do when they're on the political stump. That comes out and all of the sudden we have Romney in front of people crowing about how he'll be President for 100% of Americans. Yeah, right.
This guy goes out of his way to show his disdain for 47% of us but get's caught and then says he's for 100% of us. Sure Mitt, we believe you...cough, cough, cough. 100%
Lets see now, is this a flip or a flop for Romney? That sociopath will say or do anyting he thinks will get him what he wants.
Let's see now, is this a flip or a flop for Romney? That sociopath will say or do anyting he thinks will get him what he wants.
Adler - I believe that was a flip followed by a belly flop! Romney specializes in these!
Obama/Biden 2012
LOL
Deja Moo: The feeling that we've heard this bull before.
Just another day. Just another flip flop in the Mittster's rolling calamity campaign. So par for the Romney course. Yawn.
Teachers' unions, long the villains in Romney's public remarks on education...
....and he thinks the unions are stupid enough to listen to the latest discharge oozing from his Brain Distrust....
Back to elevator.
FLIP!
What do they call a person who will say/do anything (in this case) for a vote? As a retired educator with 5 decades of teaching experience, a vote for this NittMitt will doom our educational system. We will be transported back to the times when only the wealthy could afford a decent education!!! I sincerely hope someone is cataloging these flip flops and plays them back against his campaign!!!! Is anyone checking his 'facts' on this...oh that's right the GOP doesn't bother..they are not important...are they???
bill-1145515
"fact check...gop doesn't bother" thank you for your years of service as a teacher and you experience and feedback..
Gop Campaign said that they will not allow fact checkers to run their campaign..
We need to get to the POLLS and vote these job obstructionis O U T !!
OBAMA/Biden 2012
Why be nice to the corrupt politicized greedy teachers unions, who could care less about the success of our public education system?
You must have went to some messed up schools.
Look whos talking.. you completely misinterpet the constitution day after day and believe it to be a fact..wackjob
Yes...I misinterpret it, when the 5th Amendment has eminent domain, and eminent domain is redistribution of wealth...
Get informed.
P.S. It's 'whack-job', not "wackjob".
Ha now thats your new argument is eminant domain. That is used for the greater good of the public not take from someone to give to another individual. Just because you believe this fairy tale doesnt make it true
Eminent domain is NOT redistribution of wealth !
Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_wealth#Types_of_redistribution
Inheritance tax is redistribution too! No wonder Romney wants to do away with it...
News flash..wikipedia is not 100% factual. So what you are saying is because you have made nothing of yourself w no real ideas or no real worth to society we should lavish you with our money? you are truly a sad person
Newsflash: Wikipedia cites multiple external sources; it is fact.
News flash.. OilShark1 is not 100% factual, is biased & ill informed & whines more than a baby .
I can't wait for the YOUTUBE videos of RWNJ heads exploding after the election...
WEAR RAINCOATS the day after the election, least you be splattered with dysfunctional brain matter !
You have anger issues mister fids..what am i unfactual about. Of course I am biased as are you, and havent whined about anything. I have facts to back up all of my statements and facts are stubborn
property redistribution = wealth redistribution? so property ownership = wealth? wow Xabie and i thought i heard it all
Flip-Flop
Flipity-Flopity
Flipper-Flopper
Flipping-Flopping
Flipped-Flopped
Flips-Flops
Flippin-Floppin
Clear enough for you now or are there still questions?
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot
further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the
poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more
than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man’s
initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them
what they could and should do for themselves.” —Abraham Lincoln
And 47% of you won't take responsibility for your own lives and are looking for a hand out anyway you can get one.
Well said.
"And 47% of you won't take responsibility for your own lives and are looking for a hand out anyway you can get one."
You mean like Mitt Romney! Who also pays no federal income taxes (he pays capital gains tax at a MUCH lower rate)--and whose daddy took WELFARE money? (look it up--Mitt's Dad took government asst money--a hand out!!!!)
That 47%?
I believe the best interest of our children is to recognize that teaching is a profession, like your profession, like my profession, like lawyers, like doctors, and that the very best are more highly compensated and rewarded and measured.
The very best are more highly compensated? A teachers starting salary is 32,00 a yr.. teachers do not get "rewarded". Most teachers love their jobs, use their salary to provide for the kids in the class bc the schools cannot.
Teachers are way under paid.. So Mittens.. step up to the mic and DO something about it instead of running your mouth again and again and again and again..
Teachers work 8 months a yr, that avgs 4k per month..not a bad gig.
Accountability is the key. If teachers produce results and educate the kids succcessfully, then they are underpaid. If they fail, they are overpaid and should be replaced.
If surgeons lost all their patients on the operating table, would they be considered 'professional"? They would lose their job. Yet teachers are kept on for a lifetime, even if they fail and even if they could care less. Thanks, liberals and unions for this disaster of a public education system.
If you guys are expecting people to take five years of college to work for $4K a month and deal with your nonsense, it's amazing there are people willing to be teachers at all.
They should choose another profesion if they dont like a pro rated version of 48k a yr to START. that means that a 23-25 yr old teacher is getting almost 50k yr if they worked all yr a great pension and excellent holidays. PLEEEASE
Well, get used to people jumping over from the convenience story industry to teach your children, because bright, committed young people are not going to go into debt for an education that will reap them no rewards. Besides, the average convenience store clerk is no dumber than you, so your kids will grow up struggling under the same poor thinking skills you enjoy. Good luck with that.
Well, someone sounds like a bitter little ....well I would do just fine teaching my kids, and judging by my thought process my kids will be just fine. You have poor thinking skills if you believe that some dem wacko (who took easy college classes to be a teacher , mind you they werent to smart bc it took them 5 yrs ) needs to be posioning my childrens mind you are crazy. I live in a top tier school district where teachers are well compensated..why... bc daddy and his neighbors are winners.
Not me, little guy. And while I am quite sure you are admired by everyone in your trailer park for your critical thinking skills, here in the real world children need to be well educated if this country is going to keep up in the world marketplace. That means highly trained, well paid teaching professionals to educate the nation's youth, not broken down semi-literate losers like you.
Understand? Good.
Now you say i live in a trailer, well if you had a trailer this big you would be all in. Again, my kids go to a school that exceeds almost all fed school testing. its one of the top 5 in my state. my job is to take care of my childeren..not other pples. Calling me names bc i struck a nerve really makes my day...i dont need to call you names, you already know you are those things. This country needs less bums like you..more winners like me
Keep telling yourself that, oilshark. I'm sure in your fantasies, people actually believe your wild stories. It must be hard being you.
Fail.
Oilscum
You are truly a jerk. Teachers work very hard for the paltry amount they make. They teach all day, stay after to meet with students, parents and tutor struggling students. They're paid through the summer because they set aside their money during the year to be paid to them over the summer.
Low life's like you are all to quick to demonize them. Personally, I would refuse to teach the children of any scum bag who spends all his time calling me vile names and treating me like crap. That's just me though. These folks love their jobs too much to punish children because their parents are ignorant hillbillies. You seem to qualify as that.
The conditions outside the classroom environment is a major under appreciated factor. Students, in some districts, would require a complete in-school environment just to achieve at minimum level.
Take the best teachers in the nation, put them in the worst performing schools in Detroit, or Philadelphia for a year. The academic improvement would be marginal. It is hard to concentrate when the conditions outside have such an impact.
If an executive's mother dies, we recognize that he needs time to deal with it emotionally even if the death is expected. But what would we do if his mother had been mudered.
Pier pressure, drugs, violence involving their friends or loved gunshots just outside the windows, in sufficient food no one at home to help with lessons, that is a partial list of the study environment. They fall farther behind and it seems hopless. For our public school system to work for these kids it has to be totally encapsulated within the school system.
Romney is the flapjack of candidates. I guess we shouldn't expect him to get that one of the reasons his Dad paid for the exclusive private schools was to ensure his son had more one on one attention due to smaller class sizes?
Ah, bleep it. I'll settle for a guy who doesn't try to open the airplane window in case of emergency.
flip....flop.....flip.....flop....
I will abandon 47% of Americans...
No wait - I am for 100% of Americans
I hate teachers..
No wait - I love teachers
This ends in a big flop.....
This is what I have asked 6 times already and what I get is only stupidity and childishness from SeekingSanity and the likes of Reddevs and lets not forget Layton.
The Los Angeles-Long Beach, Calif., metropolitan area has the nation's largest Hispanic population-5.7 million-and alone accounts for more than one-in-ten (11%) Hispanics nationally. All population estimates presented in this report are for Hispanics living in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. The New York-Northeastern New Jersey metropolitan area is the second largest by Hispanic population (4.2 million) and is home to 8% of Hispanics nationwide.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2362/hispanic-population-metropolitan-areas-us-american-community-survey-california-texas?src=prc-latest&proj=forum
Summarising of the above is that California, New Jersey, and New York are Democratic states so those electoral votes are already counted for Obama.
Yes, all our votes count, however the demographics of where does votes are is what gives you the Electoral vote. Please SS do your work. With all the help from the meida Obama should be winning by 20% and still we have a very close race.
That's where the founders had it right. Although the more congested states are Democrat states and have high electoral vote counts, they are few in number. Majority of the states are less populated and are very red. So the election is decided by a handful of states like NC, Ohio, Florida and Virginia. These states are too close to call and that generally favors the challenger.
Road Warrior - we are on the same page. However I do not see SeekingSanity or any of her friends respond. If they do it will be with insults because they have no facts and have no ideas as to why the race is so close.
These people know about everything but know nothing and they have the nerve to call others stupid.
Really? And what help, exactly, has the media given him? Do you mean the headline, "Tunisian attack spells trouble for Obama," or "Romney attacks Obama's Middle East statement," or one of the thousands of other negative headlines he's had to endure since 2008?
The Right loves to whine about the "liberal media," but anyone with an IQ in triple digits (e.g., nearly half of all registered Republicans) who's read the papers or watched Internet news over the last four years knows this is a myth.
In actual fact, the media has been at least as tough on Obama as they were on "W," so please, stop your bellyaching and let's hear how Romney is going to make everything so much better (since the candidate can't seem to come up with anything himself)!
LOL ACOUSTIC! google univision interview! thats a real interview, not these lame leading questions. obozo already conceded the debates, because.....hes really AN IDIOT!
Acoustic,
Can you at least be honest enough to admit that each party has their propaganda machine, Fox for the Republicans and CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, MSNBC for the Democrats? Of course you can’t. You probably think Cspan is right-wing.
Well, they all seem to be pulling for our president, regardless of the partisanship that seems to exist among the news services and polling organizations in your crazed fantasy world.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Clarrification:
Republicans: FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC
Democrats: MSNBC, NPR, PBS
Please do some research to learn what corporations OWN these media giants. The MAJORITY of them, are OWNED by RIGHT-LEANING people.
And also, please stop playing the poor old media-victim blame-game. Its been going on for 20 years and its old. Anyone who thinks the MAJORITY of media organization in America are "Liberal" has a turnip for a brain.
Salud
CC says: "These people know about everything but know nothing and they have the nerve to call others stupid."
and then Right is Wrong says: "LOL ACOUSTIC! google univision interview! thats a real interview, not these lame leading questions. obozo already conceded the debates, because.....hes really AN IDIOT!
Pot meet Kettle. I see you've decided to forgo rational discourse in favor of personal abuse. And Rite is Wrong: anyone who has to stoop to calling our President "Obozo" has themselves already conceded because you're right about one thing--they (and therefore "you") really are AN IDIOT!
Um, hey guys, (the leaders of all nations in NY) I'd love to stay and discuss very important issues that could affect many countries, but I promised the girls I'd appear on the "View" today.
Maxwell what about Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas all states with large Hispanic populations? Are they also in the bag for Obama, I certainly hope so.
The hispanics are hysterical. Just because they've been told by Obama, wink wink; I'll make you citizens, keep giving you everything, but you have to vote for me. Google: Obama Honduras. Do a little reading, this is what he thinks of Hispanics.
You libs do realize it's going to be a landslide, don't you? Your man's lead continues to decline since the bump after the convention. He once had a 7% lead. He is now only up 1% in Rasmussen and 2% in Gallup with an average of 47%. Oops, there's that number 47 again. Alot of people who won't tell you who they will vote for will go with Romney.
Dream on. I will so enjoy watching you eat crow on November 7th.
n a funny way, i do hope obozo gets reelected by you ignorant fools.
when he taxes the one percent and lowers the debt for 12 hours you are next
and your kids will think you were the stupidest people on the planet, destroying the last bastion, beacon shall i be so bold, to embrace socialism, which so many died to defend against
liberals. self serving selfish fools too smug to listen
oh yeah, hows that new downgrade?
hows the middle east doing?
hows that fiscal cliff gonna be handled?
how are 23 million americans gonna find a job?
hows that french economy now that they decided to "tax the rich?" dont know? whys that hmmmm?
what will you all do when the economy contracts again nov 7th?
it will be too late for sorry
rightisright-5861504 - you have to talk to these liberals in their own language.
They do not call it raising taxes, they call it raising revenues. LOL.
rightisright -
Why so glum, Chum?
I, along with the majority of Americans, understand how complex issues can make people like yourself afraid and cower under your stairs in the coat closet.
Democrats are strong, persevering, unselfish Americans; not socialists by any means. We are the ones that want everybody to enjoy a good life, remember?
So stay under the stairs clutching your Linus blanket, while courageous Democrats tackle the multitude of problems this country and world faces day to day.
We will continue to move America FORWARD into the 21st Century as the greatest democracy the world has ever known.
Salud
If you call unemployment over 8%, record numbers on food stamps, and record numbers on disability the good life, it's really scary to consider how bad the economy would have to be before you acknowledged things were bad.
Thomas--well said!!!!
And then you woke up! . . . but thanks for the laugh.
TomasGrande ...
Simply beautiful! It's no wonder I have a crush on your avatar and your posts! Very well stated!
Obama/Biden 2012
I kind of agree with Layton. I think democrats for the most part are good people who want to help others and ensure everyone has something. problem is Obama only has to tell you that he is going to do this and that and he has your vote. Problem is because everyone rushes forward toward their free goodies they dont realize they are getting screwed. take obama care, now a kid out on his own working at mcdonals making minimum wage has to spend 100 bucks a month for health care. this was done to help the working poor but instead you are crushing them. now do the math, minimum wage times 160 hrs a month minus taxes, minus obamacare premium. whats the kid got left for food housing and clothing??? now thats just one of the wonderful new things the poor get, wait till you give them their cleaner environment and the electric bill quadruples........ you all are just so damn caring
Ronnie,
A kid out on his own, until he/she's 26 is covered on their parent's insurance. President Obama made that happen.
No kid that is working at McDonalds who doesn't qualify for insurance at their place of employment (which by the way, McDonalds should be offering according to the ACA) will go without. They will qualify for Medicaid. They do now if their income is low.
Have you ever actually KNOWN anyone that has to use subsidies??? or are you just trying to make an entitlement point?
Until you get down in the dirt and help your fellow man, you have no clue what goes on in this world.
I would suggest that you go and volunteer at a food bank AFTER a local food drive and see what kind of CRAP people give to the homeless.
I get down in the dirt. I sort food at the food shelter. I walk dogs at the humane society. I give as much as I can. And most of all, I pray and believe in my fellow man.
Obama/Biden 2012