"When (Willard) said it’s not my job to worry about ‘these people,’ well, whose job is it?" Biden asked

Good point Mr. Vice President. Romney has been trying to make up a plausible answer for that asinine comment since it was made public...and he has yet to come up with anything that makes sense. No wonder Mitt is losing this election.

President Obama by default! There doesn't seem to be anyone running against him!

Mittronic Rombot...

"...if I paid more(taxes) than legally due, I dont think I'd be qualified to become

President." 29 July 2012 interview with ABC News David Muir

When is Rombot going to drop out? Not that he's not dropping in the polls.

T.Money Trim/A Play Run "To the f^ck pit! I call topsies!"

Rocco - every post you make is disgusting. It clearly shows you can't actualy contribute a normal thought to any conversation.

Layton - when Joe is on, he's great isn't he? Can't wait for the debate between him and Ryan!

Obama/Biden 2012

"He, Romney? Attacking someone on taxes? I mean, woah!" said the famously rhetorically excitable Delaware pol. "That’s like me attacking someone for being a complete moron who is constantly putting his Jackass hoof in his mouth!"

"He, Romney? Attacking someone on taxes?

Albany

As if NitMitt has room to talk. Complaining about the 47% who don't pay taxes, but won't show anybody what he's paying....

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O&Joe 2012

"That’s like me attacking someone for being a complete moron who is constantly putting his Jackass hoof in his mouth!"

You're referring to Romney, right? The guy who wants roll down windows installed in airliners? The guy who likes Michigan because the trees are the right height? The guy who...well, you get the idea.

"I'm not familiar precisely with what I said, but I'll stand by what I said, whatever it was." —Mitt Romney, asked in a press conference about remarks he made to Fox News host Sean Hannity (Jacksonville, Florida, May 17, 2012)

"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love!" —Mitt Romney (January 2012)

I'll miss old Joe next year. He's always good for a laugh but he and his boss are failures at running the country.

President Romney, has a nice ring to it. Get used to it.

Our brothers keeper. Right, joe, as long as the money comes from someone else. Your charitable giving sucks. What brother are you helping?

Seeking Sanitation, Disgusting but true.

Owebama/ Bidet. One screws you in the rear, the other cleans up afterwards.

Oh Rocco - quit sharing with us your dream of being the slash between Obama/Biden. It is considered by most as TMI.

Go, Joe Biden! Perfect pitch.

No, actually Albany Joe, the gaffe King is now the Elephant with both feet in mouth problem, none other than Mitt Romney--he thinks "aircraft" windows should open--just the latest in a long line of incredibly ignorant gaffes. That's not only a gaffe but also is stupidity coming from someone who wants to be president.

Jody - I have a 10 year old nephew who is smarter than Romney - and much more engaging! The aircraft window - you just can't make up stupidity like that. I wouldn't hire this man to plant my garden. (Plus, he wouldn't have a clue about how to do it!)

Obama/Biden 2012

Romney wants to take us back to a time when it didn't matter if you rolled down the window on the barnstorming bi-plane. That would be 100 years ago.

The Democrat won the 1912 election and a Democrat will win the 2012 election so maybe there is some comparison after all.

So Mitt, next time you are on that jet, flying at 30 thousand feet just open the window or door and see what happens. Seamus would be so proud of you.

President Romney, has a nice ring to it. Get used to it.

JH - You're definitly delusional!!!!!

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O&Joe 2012

Seeking-

Layton - when Joe is on, he's great isn't he? Can't wait for the debate between him and Ryan!

When was he ever great? He had a 1% vote from the people in the primary...He is one of the least wealthy senators, but chosen to solve this economic crises...What has he done? Your hero is an empty shell, best fitted for a comic book, not vice president.

Obama/Biden 2012 - Romney/Ryan 1040

Yes the 47% comment is just another added nail over the past month. Ryan's integrity also in question, not looking good.

Right now, none of the swing states are favoring Romney. His campaign is circling the drain.

Coral - with Mitt releasing a "summary" of his taxes, his integrity is nothing to shout about.

Obama/Biden 2012

I will take Joe's "jackass hoof" over Ryan's silver spoon ANY FRIGGIN DAY OF THE WEEK!!!!

@seeking sanity;

I am talking about lyin Ryan. People might let lies lie down, but I do not forget, I believe he was blindly reading speeches(painfully obvious) wrote for him as far as misstatements on Obama policy, but as far as talking about himself, he is a liar.

Aw c'mon cut Rocco some slack. His candidate for President just called him a deadbeat with a victim complex who is depending on his government handouts. Rocco's confused. He's a Republican, and a closet racist, so he cannot vote for Obama. But his guy thinks he a bum. What's a guy like Rocco to do?

It must SUCK to be Rocco.

Never mind, you give'em hell Joe!

Obama/Biden 2012

Coral - sorry I misread. Working and posting - I do that sometimes. But, I absolutely agree. Ryan is a total liar. When you have to lie about your marathon time - and to such a degree - it just comes naturally!

Obama/Biden 2012

I wonder if old Joe has had any conversations with Obama's relatives about being each others keepers? You'd think Obama could at least rethatch his relatives hut.

President Romney - sounds good

LEAN FORWARD lefties, just don't fall over. I'd hate to se you get hurt. It is going to kill you to say President Romney, isn't it?

Seeking ...

Layton - when Joe is on, he's great isn't he? Can't wait for the debate between him and Ryan!

Amen! Crazy busy here today too. Coral Taxi called Kannin out last night ... it was beautiful!

Obama/Biden 2012

I'm voting for the "we are all in this together" society and not the "everyone for themselves" society.

Obama/Biden 2012

Layton - Coral called Kannin out? Wish I had seen it! I'll have to go back and see if I can find it!

Coral - you can't see my but I'm bowing down to you!!!!

Obama/Biden 2012

I have really had a difficult time figuring out what Romney's 'plan' is about anything. I'm not being snarkey here, I'm being serious. It appears that - as he said at his fundraiser - he thinks the business community will improve all by itself, for the simple reason that a pro-business guy is at the helm, 'without doing anything'. Other than that, it's all trickle-down, all the time. I have no idea what that means in terms of policy, he gives no responses to even the most direct, basic questions.

Are you guys ok with this?

Yesterday I hear roughly the following exchange:

Reporter: "What tax loopholes are you going to close?"

Romney: "I'm going to create jobs."

Are you guys really ok with this? Because now I'm starting to wonder not only about Romney, but about the people who support him.

That 46.4% pay no Federal income tax results partly from those Bush era tax cuts such as $1000 per child subtracted from Federal income tax you owe.

For example, a couple with 5 children would owe $5000 in Federal income tax after taking 7 deductions on income of $75,000. Then, they would subtract 5 x $1000= $5000 from what they owe and end up with NO Federal income tax due.

Then, Republicans want to cut aid for colleges and college student grants and loan programs. The thinking is that this couple should have set aside that $5000 per year to self fund their children's college education. Over 18 years that would amount to $18,000 per child. Hardly enough to pay for much more than one year of college.

Tax cuts for the middle class such as these are frequently viewed as pay raises by their employers. The thinking is "you got a raise from the Federal government, so I don't need to give you as much of a raise."

The result is rich employers pocket a greater share of productivity gains while also getting a "pay raise" (tax cuts) from the Federal government. This accounts for some of the 24% of nation's annual income the top 1% gets now, up from 10% in 1980.

This thinking (that the employees just got a raise from the Federal government) deprives the middle class of some of the raises they otherwise would have gotten. It is part of the reason why consumer demand is so weak. Romney and his rich buddies do not care to see this in the light of fairness or continued strong economic growth.

Instead, they gloat over their higher incomes and how successful they have become. It is an ego trip that is hard to resist especially when all the other smart businessmen are doing the same thing. The wife of a successful businessman who gives his employees a fair share of productivity growth is left to wonder why those other women at the country club can afford more luxury goods when she cannot.

I realize this is not a picture of every rich person, but I will bet it is true for some, especially those people in the room at the Boca Raton fund raiser.

@seeking; It is the Obama and Michelle on the view story, the Kannin posts are at like 7;23 through 7;28, he suddenly dissappeared after the zing.lol Havent seen him/her since.lol

He thought he had me burned, but he misread his info trying to prove me wrong on Obamas flip on Palestine. Tired of the lies on Obama.

Coral - going there now. I HAVE to read it. Again, deep bow!!!!

Obama/Biden 2012

When he said it’s not my job to worry about ‘these people,’ well, whose job is it?" Biden asked of a crowd of about 500 at the Chesterfield County Fairgrounds.

Well Uncle Joe....I suppose that in a free country they are responsible for themselves. I suppose if they are not paying taxes into the running of the Government than our Government is either too large or it is no longer responding to the promise of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness."

For instance we know that this administration is more concerned with mollifying illegal immigrants than quelling the tide of human trafficking that results in the deaths and abuses of countless young children smuggled into our nation.

We know that this administration is more concerned about controling our freedom of access to individual choice matters like health care, energy independence and estate planning.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are our brother’s keeper,

Uncle Joe...I don't wish for you to be my keeper. You are not welcome to be my children's keeper either that is decidedly my job. One in which I take much pride and where "oops" isn't an admonishment of failure.

we are one nation under God,

So how do all the Atheists and others who do not believe in God fit into your descriptive...they are along for that ride regardless of their personal right not to believe. What about all of those folks who worship multiple Gods?

we are all in this together,

I don't believe that we share the same definition of "together". As for we are all in this "S&*t storm" of an economy together, you helped create it and you supported the values that have prolonged it and you have supported the partisan politics that have truly abandoned the 47%.

and if the 47 percent doesn’t make it, the country doesn’t make it."

Honestly, over the past three and a half years the 47% have not been able to make it in one of the wealthiest Nations in the world. Why do you suppose that is? Perhaps if we stop making excused for those who do not financially support the initiatives of the Federal Government or who take more from the Government than they contribute we could address the massive victim mentality of the 47%.

When all hope is gone people stop fighting for liberty and just roll over and submit to whatever authority will hand them. This is where the 47% of Americans are right now. They have stopped fighting for liberty and demanding the opportunity to succeed or fail on their own merit.

It is time that we dissect the 47%.

What percentage of that 47% are elderly who never worked toward securing their own retirement and later lifestyle?

What percentage of that 47% turned their back on the public trust by quitting their free and fair public school education that would have been of benefit when they wished to live a middle class or better lifestyle?

What part of thas 47% make their living by stealing from or dealing to their fellow citizens? I think we can include those who rape and victimize in this group as well.

What percentage of that 47% are living life under the identity of an American Citizen.

What part of that 47% can't seem to address bad choices "they" have made in their life and prefer to blame others because they could just not break that cycle of bad choices.

What part of that 47% can only muster interest in life if it is at the expense of those who work for interest in their own families?

Now what part of that 47% truly try to do the best for themselves and their families? Those who may be working very hard to correct their past decision making problems but are constantly confronted by a bad economy with no future promise of self-determination. These folks are those who believed with hard work they could get ahead. Those folks that the DNC trot out when it is convenient...those are the folks that the DNC will tout it takes a village or that they must not be able to get anywhere on their own. Those who really have not stopped to examine the difference between a hand out and a hand up...

Why would anyone in America work to succeed if the brass ring is to be divided into equal parts for those who are succeeding along with those who have given up.

Layton-3733410 "That’s the job of a president: to lift people up, not to tear them down."

It should also be the job of a president to bring people together, not to pit one group against another in 'Class Warfare'.

But this '47%' issue is silly. Romney never said that he doesn't expect any of the 40% who pay no income taxes to vote for him - merely that the overwhelming majority of them will vote for the Democrats simply because the Democrats promise them free welfare benefits that people who DO pay income taxes will have to pay for.

In this regard, Romney was absolutely accurate - as demonstrated by the results of the 2008 presidential election, where the NY Times reported that exit polls showed that 64% of the voters that earned $30,000 per year or less voted for Obama, vs only 33% for McCain.

PS - Some people quickly point out that the 'working poor' do pay payroll taxes (Social Security and Medicare), but those are supposed to go into each individual worker's 'Trust Accounts' to fund their future retirement and health care after retirement, so they do not actually fund any of the actual cost of the welfare programs for the 'poor'.

Coral - even deeper bow!!!! WELL DONE!!!!!

That a way Joe!!!! Keep hammering and try wake up these right wing nuts that can't see the result of a Romney and Ryan win! Chaos!!!!!

That a way Joe!!!! Keep hammering and try wake up these right wing nuts that can't see the result of a Romney and Ryan win! Chaos!!!!!

"That's the job of a president: to lift people up, not to tear them down."

That characteristic is what separates the Republicans from the Democrats. And it's shocking that some working class families cannot or just refuse to see and or admit that.

Many Americans don't pay taxes because of GOP sponsored tax cuts and breaks.

Romney's campaign responded with this:

Governor Romney will spur economic growth and create more wealth, while President Obama believes in redistributing wealth. The Romney plan for a stronger middle class will create 12 million jobs and encourage upward mobility instead of more government dependency.

Sure sounds good, but once again, how will he accomplish this? Specifics please? We were promised more details, and they continue to refuse to offer them. They are banking on winning the election based on a referendum on Obama, and they are losing big time.

Take a look at the swing state polls....

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/swing-state/

On March 23, 2012, an article appeared on the Internet that puts the lie to the right's stupid campaign to foist yet another divisive fiction on America--that 47% (or 48% or 49%) of Americans who don't pay taxes are lazy, indolent parasites who refuse to take responsibility for themselves and prefer instead to live off the fruits of taxpayer labors in the form of federal entitlement programs, sometimes just referred to as "welfare." The article is "Who's using government benefits: Mostly, the elderly" by Allison Linn of NBC News. It discusses a recent Center for Budget and Policy Priorities' "analysis of data from Office of Management and Budge, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Health and Human Services, and Labor, and the U.S. Census Bureau."

The beginning of the article reads: "The recession and drawn out recovery has prompted a lot of discussion about whether entitlement programs ranging from unemployment insurance to food stamps help people in need or keep people from helping themselves.

"A recent analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which advocates for low-income families, offers some insight into that issue by showing who exactly is using these government benefits.

"The answer: Mostly the 65-plus crowd, but also disabled people and working Americans.

"Using the 2010 federal budget and U.S. Census data , the CBPP finds that 53 percent of all government entitlements are going to people who are over 65 years old.

"Another 20 percent of the benefits went to disabled people, while 18 percent were going to people in a working household. The data was for the government's 2010 fiscal year.

"That means that 9 percent of entitlements went to people who were not elderly, disabled or living in a household in which someone had worked at least 1,000 hours in a year.

"The analysis included Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, SNAP (otherwise known as food stamps), Social Security Insurance, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, the school lunch program, the Children's Health Insurance Program, the Earned Income Tax Credit, and the refundable component of the Child Tax Credit.

"Taken together, that accounts for $1.8 trillion of the approximately $2.1 trillion in benefit costs the government paid out in the 2010 fiscal year, according to the researchers. The report said most of the remaining money went to federal and veteran retirement benefits, which it excluded from its calculation."

Republicans have always chosen scapegoats to blame for our country's maladies. When the "Reagan Revolution" was in full gear, they used to rant about an fictional character they conceived as a symbol of their enmity, a mythic black woman who had one child after another to get increasing welfare payments with which to purchase a pink Cadillac. The only thing that's changed in their misanthropic assault on their elders, the sick, the crazies, and kids from poor families is it's no longer fashionable to be racist or to engage in obvious race-baiting.

So, when Republicans say "What Romney said is true" and grumble about how America's economy is being ruined by non-federal-income tax paying, lazy, good-for-nothings awaiting their undeserved handouts at taxpayer expense, all of whom vote for Obama, tell them that they're dogmatic imbeciles who are unwittingly lambasting their own retired parents and grandparents, retired veterans, all of whom deserve our veneration and respect for what they have contributed to us and to our society, those too disabled to work, and children born into families in which the family income is below the federal poverty level. Or you can put it even more simply: "You're lying or are extremely misinformed. Read this."

And these misinformed, misanthropic zealots have the gall to attack Democrats for engaging in "class warfare" and "divisiveness!"

Obama has released his Budget projections for the next 4 years, and it calls for a National Debt exceeding $20 Trillion by this time in 2016. It was only $9.986 Trillion at the end of fiscal 2008 - according to Obama's own White House Historical figures.

Is that anybody's idea of 'success".

GT-2021701

President Romney, has a nice ring to it. Get used to it.

ONLY RING ROMNEY'S GONNA HEAR IS THE ONE WHEN HES TRYING TO GET OFF THE FLOOR AFTER THE 1ST DEBATE !!!

OBAMA 2012

Remember THIS folks - in the election in 2010 there was an air of COMPLACENCY among progressives which allowed the for-king T baggers to gain a foothold in CONGRESS. IF we allow them to maintain this beachhead and not drive them back under the BUS (where they so "rightly" belong), WE WILL HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT OURSELVES

The reichwingnutjobreligionazi Koch suckers WILL show up to vote. IF you don't ALSO show up and VOTE, expect a general dismantling of SOCIAL PROGRAMS and deterioration of gains made PRIOR to 2001 and minor gains made since 2009. VOTE or SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Anyone that is against coal miners is unamerican.

high sulfur coal is responsible for ACID RAIN. The PRODUCT of the miners is the ISSUE, not the MINERS. Anyone in favor of ACID RAIN must be ANTI-AMERICAN.

Install acid scrubbers - yes, it's expensive - but in the end it's cost effective - like the old Fram commercial - You can pay me NOW or pay me LATER - (but in the end, you just PAY - one way or the oTHER)

txmom,

If you feel that being part of the 53% allows you to minimize the 47% you have been sadly propagandized and acutely misinformed:

What part of that 47% can't seem to address bad choices "they" have made in their life and prefer to blame others because they could just not break that cycle of bad choices.

Choices like driving while black? raciallycharged.com/driving-while-black-my-experience-with-racial-profiling-via-barry-robertson/

Choices like being brought into a country at the age of 3-16 when your parents came to the US for a "better way of life"? www.experienceproject.com/stories/Suppport-The-Dream-Act/1365430

Like being born disabled and only having charter schools in your neighborhood? schoolfinance101.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/parsing-poverty-charter-market-segmentation-across-within-u-s-cities/

Romney - Voucherizing Everything and Everywhere.

Biggy RAT and Itchy Brother - V-V twins - VULTURE and VOUCHER

Haters going to hate.... :'(

Thats how the tax code is set up and that why it needs to be changed so everybody pays something. Nobody enjoys paying taxes and people will try to pay as little as possible.

Yeah, I know. 53% is over half full!! What's Rmoney's problem?? Why does he apologize for America?

14% = $3,000,000.00 in taxes in one year. This is more than you will pay in your lifetime Ursula. Kind of looks like you are not paying your fare share!

Problem lies with the fact that hard working Americans being told they have to give ""more"" under penalty of law against their will to support a mass of people who do not pay anything. Yes, there are a few 1%'er out there that you like to attack as the bad people however those who are teadering in the middle class are getting hammered hard. States want more money, feds want more money, employers don't want to pay more money but want you to work longer and harder.....

He touched on a very serious topic despite your outcries, what happens when that margin tips and more or on the take then putting in? Everybody talks of bad economy and no work however its not true. There is a ton of work in the US however great deal of it means willing to relocate and have qualifications. I work in an area near two lib arts colleges and I laugh when I see these recent grads protesting because they have no jobs and when you as what they have degrees in its some BS like literature, dead languages, history, performing arts, humanities in general.... I have to ask myself, what were their parents thinking when they heard they child was going to school for such a program and they took on the student loans of today?

Mark L-464288 - tell you what, when those "job creators" start paying a living wage to the 47% then you can fairly expect them to pay income taxes. Someone earning minimum wage in NY earns $15K per year. Payroll taxes take a grand off that, leaving that person less than $1,200/mo. to live off of. What's a fair percent to take from that?

By your calculations, Romney's 14% = $3million - so 20% would equal $4.3million - leaving him a mere $1.4million per month to scrape by on. We have a progressive tax code for a reason.

If you're in the middle class and want to pay more taxes vote for Romney.

It's clear that the 47% need to pay more so the wealthy get more breaks at the top.

Ursula--that is what bothers me when people start in on the people who pay no taxes. Our tax law---passed by both parties--basically says that there is a minimum amount of income that we all agree is going 100% to putting a roof over one's head and food on the table (let alone things like health care). We don't start taxing income until that basic amount is exceeded. Believe me, these folks aren't living high on the hog yet folks like Romney are so dismissive of them.

Why is it fair for someone to pay a higher percentage in taxes just because they make more? Not more money, but a higher percentage!

I thought Romney's campaign was supposed to be about creating jobs. All I've heard is tax cuts for the rich, fixing loopholes, cutting the deficit. None of these would create one job.

The only thing Romney/Ryan have talked about that would actually create a job is increasing defense spending. Like we don't already spend nearly as much on defense as the rest of the world combined.

What do they think we need to defend ourselves from? A Martian invasion?

skeptical - because they have vastly more disposable income.

Are you a flat tax advocate? No deductions, just 10% across the board.

Then Romney would've paid $1.8 million, leaving him just shy of $1 million/month to live off of. After payroll taxes, the minimum wage person would be down to $945/month. Tell me where you can find housing, food, clothing and medical for that and I'll say you're a genius.

Hey Mark, many of those 47% do not pay taxes because of GOP tax breaks and cuts....

It's called wage stagnation, and it has been happening since the late 1970s:

krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/stagnation-nation/

www.nytimes.com/2009/05/04/opinion/04krugman.html?_r=0

And for a non-Krugman viewpoint:

monthlyreview.org/2007/06/01/wage-stagnation-growing-insecurity-and-the-future-of-the-u-s-working-class

Oh and Layton - apparently it's the job of the pres to go on the TEEVEE - you know Letterman, the View.

What century are you leaving in? The president, republican or democrat, should use any form of media available/deemed fit to reach the public.What a cave man.

just24 - and the President has to be able to multi-task - which Republicans don't understand. Pity they have no concept of what it takes to be a President. But, you know Anne Romney said, "this is hard work," and she was whining about the campaigning.

Can you imagine how much she'd whine if Mitt actually was elected??? SO do NOT want to find out!

Obama/Biden 2012

The president, republican or democrat, should use any form of media available/deemed fit to reach the public.What a cave man.

Obama should go on SpongeBob Squarepants. Biden can play Patrick.

And, as always, Netanyahu can wait.

and the President has to be able to multi-task

Maybe Barry can multi-task his way into an intel briefing.

But, you know Anne Romney said, "this is hard work,"

Obama never realized being President involved playing so much golf.

Obama should go on SpongeBob Squarepants. Biden can play Patrick.

Then that means Romney should go on Wheel of Fortune, they could design the wheel to be what his platform views are that day.

Ryan can play Vanna.

spanky, this one is easy. the old gal got suspend a week. tomorrow is probation day. For not playing well with others outside of FR. I know since i had to spend timeout for a day with Bev, Feisty, and Mickey.

Oh and Layton - apparently it's the job of the pres to go on the TEEVEE - you know Letterman, the View.

the new meme today is he 'multitasks'

Biden can play Patrick.

you mean there is a difference?

Seeking the smartest person EVAH has blessed you guys. how lucky

Damn - just how long did the old gal get suspended?

Spanky - You really do miss ole Feisty. Let's admit it. You really have the hots for her. You like like the strong type that will slap ya around a little, and if you're really a nice boy, she might even pee on ya....!!!LOL!!!

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O&Joe 2012

Ryan can play Vanna.

And Ruken can play Xabre.

| Biden can play Patrick.

you mean there is a difference?

Yes. Patrick is much smarter.

GT you have issues. Its more like stockholm syndrome not so much desire

people notice when a vile and empty hate spewer vanishes, is it really that complex libbies.

JoAnnaSmith1

Ryan can play Vanna.

And Xabre can play Ruken.

LOL!!!

GT - okay - really bad visual!!!! LOL!

Spanky has been bemoaning the fact Fesity has been on timeout hasn't he? Funny, I think she has him on ignore anyway!

Obama/Biden 2012

SeekingSanity - Anne Romney said, "this is hard work," and she was whining about the campaigning.

It's hard work when you have to defend a lying husband....That's if she's not part of it.

JSA1

If Bibi can't wait good for him. Let him go to war. You don't force help you seek it.

Obama/Biden 2012

And Ruken can play Xabre.

Yes. Patrick is much smarter.

Who or what is a "Ruken"?

You should enlighten us to the US Budget Process. If you get confused, just ask your buddy Mr. "Nobel Peace Prize in Economics" for help.

You should enlighten us to the US Budget Process.

Or Xabie you can enlighten Congress on that.

If Bibi can't wait good for him. Let him go to war. You don't force help you seek it.

Obama gave a speech saying he's for peace and tolerance. That should be good enough, it's a certainty Iran has it clear now, there's not much else Barry can really do. Just let the chips fall where they may now I guess.

Who or what is a "Ruken"?

Silly. You are.

Silly. You are.

Must be one of those fifth-grade-made-up-word type of insults. Of course, even fifth grades know more about Civics than our own JoAnnaSmith1.

Hey look...now Little Seizure has a playmate: Spanky.

They even have the same brain: [enter the smartest person EVAH!]

Maybe between the both of you, you can whip up something besides lame talking points, like why you are all for a Ryan/Romney ticket?

Sure you can...big brains like you can come up with something, right?

Sure you can...

But you can't...You won't... God, I love saying that! Mixed Bag would be sooo proud, right "caesar"?

So, Spanky...how's business? Not too good huh. Sorry to hear that bro. Maybe one of your BFF's can "create" a job for you. Either that or back to the local "lawyer pool".

Maybe Seizure the taxman can find you a job...he loves posting from work all day long, much like you.

PIZZA! PIZZA!, "counselor"...

Hey lookie everyone, Feisty using one of her many aliases. Now she is Mickey, NY. How funny. GET A JOB FEISTY, MICKEY, BEV, AMY. Feisty is now wondering, "How did Joe know that?" LMAO at Feisty, and her 57 names.

Mickey, NY

Comes a day when you never want to share a beer with Spanky. Same endless rhetorical questions.

Joe Thomas-6624551

You are one dumb cup of joe. sigh! Feisty has accrued millions over the past year responding to morons ... east money when it comes to you.

Joe - I'm going to make this as easy to understand as possible. I'll try to stick to short words. Mickey has been here for months - even when Feisty is here. Feisty isn't Mickey; isn't Jen; or anyone else. She's just Feisty and will be returning later this week.

And, Joe, many of us have jobs so don't do the idiotic "get a jobs" thing. It just makes you look so lame!

Obama/Biden 2012

SS, it is obvious you do not have a job. And Feisty has several aliases. blackcat, I thought we were international friends? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Seeking, Joe doesn't really exist, he is just another failed conspiracy gasping for relevance.

Same endless rhetorical questions.

much like Mickeys. yours is just endless cheering.

like why you are all for a Ryan/Romney ticket?

how bout you lead by example and tell me why you voted for Obummer not once, but soon twice? Pain is pleasure in your world and it just feels right? Sure Mickey. Hey Mickey, Obama's economic policies are stellar huh? Fixed that Bush problem right proper eh.

Hey Mickey, let me ask this. Even if i went into great detail on Romney/Ryan, really think it will matter to you? Any liberal in here? nah. I'd rather watch you defend Obama. How bout that Peace Prize huh Mickey. Guess I can't connect the dots with that one either. say it

OH BAH MUH

Aww...isn't that precious..."caesar" is angry...don't be angry my cowardly weak little troll...sheesh...talk about having sand in your vagina...

[Even if i went into great detail on Romney/Ryan, really think it will matter to you?]

Actually, yes...I'm interested to hear just what your reasoning is for supporting Ryan/Romney...other than "ABO" of course. If you come back with "well, he's not Obama", you can take an effing hike.

Personally, I don't think you can do it.

But you can answer ONE question, since you like dodging all the others:

Are YOU PERSONALLY better off now than you were four years ago, and why you think that is.

Simple question, caesar....just one, simple question.

C'mon...pull the trigger...you know you wanna...

..."caesar" is angry

if it makes you feel better.

you can take an effing hike.

ouch

Personally, I don't think you can do it.

do i get a prize?

Are YOU PERSONALLY better off now than you were four years ago, and why you think that is.

that is indeed a good one. Finally. Well no, since you ask. wages have been cut. Food's more expensive, gas, cost of living in general. Inflation really. My medical insurance has gone up (won't go down cuz of Obamacare).

Hey, as Romney/Ryan I answered you question and you know since you stalk my comments throughout the day. Willful ignorance is just really your problem. My comments aren't hidden, if you truly feel the need to know then go look. If that is dodging your question again thats your personal demon, get over it. It will be theraputic if you will

Spanky, Hillary will be in your face in four years!

4 more 4 44

The world is waiting for Americans to decide who will be our next President. Our foreign policy is in place and in the middle east, we need to give them time for things to settle down there. Now is the time for our patience and restraint as they decide their own future and set down to making it work for them. Iran and Syria are waiting for Russia to shift its position.

Past US interventionist policies in the middle east inflamed resentment among people there who remember only too well how they were ruled and exploited by European colonial powers.

As Americans, we should be able to understand their stubborn pride in deciding things for themselves. It is certainly how our Founding Fathers would have felt about some foreign power trying to tell us what to do after gaining our independence from England.

I don't see Romney in NYC taking the opportunity to meet world leaders....

I wish he would, surely he'd insult another country or put his foot in his mouth again...

Steven what about telling the Republicans to seat in back of the car, after all there is a big percentage of Americans that register as republican.

What about clinging to religion and guns? Sure, lets respect religion as long as it is another religion.

How about we did not build that? How about using the race card so many times?

I'm in that 47% percent and I did not get insulted, because I did not think it was directed at me. However I know of some neighbors that truly abuse the government safety net.

Yep, and the ER comment was nuts as well.

I always love when people like Concern Citizen say stuff like, "I'm in that 47%..... However I know of some neighbors that truly abuse the government safety net."

It's ALWAYS the OTHER 47% that are moochers.. not the fine upstanding moochers like Concerned!

It's great to see how well you can judge others situations just like Mitt and lump them all together!!

Beaker1 - and they're usually Republican!

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It simply shows just how out of touch with reality Romney really is.

SeekingSanity: It is the percentage of the 47%ers that are teabag Repubs that scare me.

Get out the vote 4 more 4 44 ☺

Beaker,

You haven't got a clue. In fact, your arguments are completely fallacious, belied by irrefutable evidence about who actually receives federal entitlement benefits.

On March 23, 2012, an article appeared on the Internet that puts the lie to the right's stupid campaign to foist yet another divisive fiction on America--that 47% (or 48% or 49%) of Americans who don't pay taxes are lazy, indolent parasites who refuse to take responsibility for themselves and prefer instead to live off the fruits of taxpayer labors in the form of federal entitlement programs, sometimes just referred to as "welfare." The article is "Who's using government benefits: Mostly, the elderly" by Allison Linn of NBC News.

The article discusses a recent Center for Budget and Policy Priorities' "analysis of data from Office of Management and Budge, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Health and Human Services, and Labor, and the U.S. Census Bureau."

The beginning of the article reads: "The recession and drawn out recovery has prompted a lot of discussion about whether entitlement programs ranging from unemployment insurance to food stamps help people in need or keep people from helping themselves.

"A recent analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which advocates for low-income families, offers some insight into that issue by showing who exactly is using these government benefits.

"The answer: Mostly the 65-plus crowd, but also disabled people and working Americans.

"Using the 2010 federal budget and U.S. Census data , the CBPP finds that 53 percent of all government entitlements are going to people who are over 65 years old.

"Another 20 percent of the benefits went to disabled people, while 18 percent were going to people in a working household. The data was for the government's 2010 fiscal year.

"That means that 9 percent of entitlements went to people who were not elderly, disabled or living in a household in which someone had worked at least 1,000 hours in a year.

"The analysis included Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, SNAP (otherwise known as food stamps), Social Security Insurance, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, the school lunch program, the Children's Health Insurance Program, the Earned Income Tax Credit, and the refundable component of the Child Tax Credit.

"Taken together, that accounts for $1.8 trillion of the approximately $2.1 trillion in benefit costs the government paid out in the 2010 fiscal year, according to the researchers. The report said most of the remaining money went to federal and veteran retirement benefits, which it excluded from its calculation."

Republicans have always chosen scapegoats to blame for our country's maladies. When the "Reagan Revolution" was in full gear, they used to rant about a fictional character they conceived as the symbol of their enmity, a mythical black woman who had one child after another to get increasing welfare payments with which to purchase a pink Cadillac. The only thing that's changed in their misanthropic assault on now their target is a fictional group of citizens that actually consist of their elders, the disabled, and kids from poor families. Apparently, it's no longer fashionable for Republicans to be overtly racist or to engage in obvious race-baiting.

So, when mouthy Republicans like you claim that "What Romney said is true" or grumble about how America's economy is being ruined by non-federal-income-tax-paying, lazy, good-for-nothings awaiting their undeserved handouts at taxpayer expense, all of whom will vote for Obama, their parasitic host, tell them that they're dogmatic imbeciles who, through ignorance, are unwittingly lambasting their own retired parents and grandparents, retired veterans, all of whom deserve our veneration and respect for what they have contributed to us and to our society, those too disabled to work, and children born into families in which the family income is below the federal poverty level. Or you can put it even more simply: "You're extremely misinformed or are lying. Read this."

And you misinformed, misanthropic zealots have the gall to attack Democrats for engaging in "class warfare" and "divisiveness!"

@MichaelM.#5.7: The content of your post is absolutely correct. I respectfully submit though, "Beaker 1" is on your side. "Beaker" was responding to "Concern Citizen" at #5.1. Don't feel bad. Mistakes are easy here. I've done the same several times myself. Good post. Regards

#5.7- they only call it class warfare when we fight back! When "they"(top 2%) wage classwarfare on the 98%, it is called "good policy".

Only when the banksters are taken to jail for defrauding the public with their "bubbles" (such as: S&L (1987), High Tech(1997), Mortgage(2003), Derivitaves(2008), student debt (current bubble bursting right now) then we MAY have a chance of surviving this mess. Until then, it is all a sham. NOTE, I am not fingering one party or another since most of their "representatives" are in the top 2%, and ALL of them have contributed to these bubbles through poor economic planning.

Concern, do you mean the debate where Palin winked and asked if she could call him Joe? Is that what you consider giving him a hard time? If it's winking that knocks Biden off his game, what's Ryan going to pull? Yikes!!!

Ursula - I'm sure Concern thought Palin was fabulous!!!! Biden will wipe the floor with Ryan but people like Concern won't understand - even as he does it!

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Guys, Biden won the debate hands down with Palin.. The McCain campaign marked it down as a success that she didn't further embarrass herself.

Moocher

Ursula and SS- No I did not like Palin, in fact I can not stand her voice.

Have you girls looked at the theatrics of Biden. Let him talk by himself and he will loose the debate.

SS- I'm still waiting for the statistics on Latino voters and how it will affect the election. You don't have an answer do you?

I'm still waiting for the statistics on Latino voters

CC - It's about 70-30 in favor of O

and how it will affect the election.

Not in a positive way for NitMitt, that's for sure....

-

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What does Palin's voice have to do with anything? She's an idiot and McCain's decision to put her in such an incredibly powerful position was reckless at best. You should be appalled that your party copped such a flippant attitude toward the office of the vice presidency.

You said she gave Biden a hard time in the debate, but all she did was shame herself (and her gender) with her flirtatious manner. All Biden had to do is refrain from coming across too harsh or too condescending...because he was the ONLY one with a command of the issues.

Too bad, I'm not over the 47% comments. 47% 47% 47% 47% !!!! I don't think I'll ever get over that "gaffe"!

well when that is all you got, I guess your guy has to run with something!

WTF! Really - You think it's the Pres. job to care about you individually!! The job of a Pres. is to work with ALL in congress to instill policies that will create jobs, manufacturing and better the USA and it's population, not pander to individuals that think the Gov owes them something personally... This is where our Gov has let all of us down and it's both parties equally. When everything has to be politically correct, all reality is pushed aside and avoided. All this correctness has our country in a dismal place with massive debt, unemployment, underemployment and stupid bickering amoungst ourselves. Looking at many of these posts and the BS involved makes me wonder if these people aren't the worthless elected officials that are now on vacation and still have nothing better to do than argue!!

Point being Scott, that half of Americans were represented by Mitt Romney to be waste of space moochers and that they would vote for Obama because they didn't want their welfare checks to dry up. This group he was talking about includes half of the US, probably includes you too. Either way there are plenty of republicans in that group, and how should they view themselves? Are they Victims?

Mockingbyrd: Thanks for the response, my point is if one stuffed shirt can make you feel so victimized then maybe there are other issues and we all know politcians are stuffed shirts.. What I meant is if a Pres does his job, he will span the party lines and force congress to act and work for the betterment of the country. We have not seen this at all with this Pres. I really thought OB had the greatest chance of making a good difference, but I think I was wrong. Had this administration focused on jobs and not turning people against each other things would be much better!! You can not spend your way out of debt, period. There are so many things that could help US citizens with just tweeks rather than complete restructureing. Had the White house and congress worked rather than argued some real solid good may have come from it, instead we have banksters sitting on almost free money and the public strugling, people aquireing debt at an unforseen rate and everyone pissed because they can't keep up with the Jones. It's pretty sad.

It's the 1% that has the 47% in chains; it's tax codes skewed to those with the most that keeps the 47% in chains; it's the idiotic notion that jobs come from the top when it is the middle class that is the economic engine, it is that top down ideology that keeps the 47% in chains.

Jody- How the fu-k would a Dumb-Ass Liberal like you know anything?

Liberals don't have brains or reasoning, all they know is Greed- take the Welfare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, anything that is FREE.

Liberals belong in Russia and China !!!!!

Sharky - past time for your meds is it? Wow! Talk about the idiot trying to lecture to those who already know the facts. You're really sad!

Oh, and China is where Romney sends everyone. Maybe he'll have a place for you when he loses in November!

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"You didn't build that" was in reference to infrastucture and was taken out of context.

Romneys comments were in context and called working people, military, and old folks moochers.

@!$%# off

working people don't pay taxes?? Well hell, why am I??

Monkingbyrd...you know damn well the "you didn't build that..." was not talking just about infrastructure, apperently you don't own a buisness and never have..hard work builds it, and since you had nothing to do with mine you you have zero argument!!!!

Monkingbyrd...you know damn well the "you didn't build that..." was not talking just about infrastructure

Yes, because the immediately preceding sentences about teachers, roads, etc. have nothing to do with that sentence.

BigBurt - actually we know d*mn well the "you didn't build that" WAS in reference to infrastructure. If your reading comprehension skills are not sufficient - that's your problem!

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OMG! Are you kidding me?? Romney's comment were completely taken out of context you liberal morons!

What he said was he can't worry about campaigning to the 47% of the voting public that are on ASSISTANCE AND GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS and the DIE HARD DEMOCRATS he will not be able to sway them and change their minds so it would be a mute point and a lot of wasted time, money and resources.

I am not a republican and I am not voting for Romney, but come on, are you people that DENSE? And Im sure his JOKE about the airplane windows not rolling down was sincere too right?? You guys are just looking for anything to say "OMG!!" too.

bigburt ..... OBAMA ahead in every poll .... yep, MITT U BUILT THAT !

Ron, what a sweet story, who you kidding though? If you were really truthful, you knew exactly what Romney was trying to say. Which leads me to believe that you are some lib trying to go undercover with your little story.

Ron Brock, well said. I know I paid a significantly higher earned income tax rate than Mitt Romney and earned a whole lot less.

I pay taxes and I wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney for city dog catcher. I don't trust him, it's as simple as that. He's a whopper liar, a flip flopper and a job killer. Doesn't have a thing to do with his 47% comment although I found it quite revealing that for the first time, Romney actually spoke what he really believes.

jody, are all liberals idiots, what part of the tax code don't you understand. By the way, your dumbocrats crafted most of those tax regulations also.

Ron---thank you for your service. I think part of the problem is that Romney doesn't understand that there are people for whom their Social Security and Medicare benefits (which they paid into for DECADES) constitute their primary sources of income today in their retirement years. And he doesn't factor in the fact that you paid tax on income (higher than he does, no doubt) for many years while you were working. It is just beyond me that he doesn't understand how those 47% who he dismisses live.

Ron:

I have voted republican many times in my life and never will again. The conservatives on this board can call me any name they want (which I have noticed they specialize in) as long as it is not conservative.

You are not alone.

I have news for ya, Bubba, I am not working as I am retired and believe me I do pay income tax. Yes my Social Security is taxed and every dollar of the withdrawals from my IRA accounts are taxed. Yet, I am part of that 47%.

Romney's comment shows he is very much out of touch with reality.

DO you know it was Clinton who set the tax on your social security?

DO you know it was Clinton who set the tax on your social security?

Source, please?

If you go to www.socialsecurity.gov, they have answers to common questions. According to them:

The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April 1983. These amendments passed the Congress in 1983 on an overwhelmingly bi-partisan vote.

The basic rule put in place was that up to 50% of Social Security benefits could be added to taxable income, if the taxpayer's total income exceeded certain thresholds.

The taxation of benefits was a proposal which came from the Greenspan Commission appointed by President Reagan and chaired by Alan Greenspan (who went on to later become the Chairman of the Federal Reserve).

Yes, because Romney paying a 10% tithe to his church really constitutes charity.

yeah Xabre it does...what would you call it?

I would call it extortion...

Tithes to church isn't charity, Mark D. Charity is the Red Cross, Salvation Army, food banks, Doctors without Borders, United Way, American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, March of Dimes, Multiple Sclerosis, Muscular Dystrophy, St. Jude's.....

Mark D - it's called a tithe and is required of Mormons. It is used to spread the religion - nothing charitable about it!

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A tithe is a requirement of his faith, Mark. R-E-Q-U-I-R-E-M-E-N-T of 10%.

BUT Obama's bro lives in a hut on $20 a year???

Can't send an absentee ballot to him, so no money for him.

jdbird - please post your source for Obama's brother.

Every time I hear one of those ads on the radio or TV---"I'm a mother and an artist and, etc. and a Mormon" I think of the donations made to the church subsidized by our tax system being used to promote Mitt Romney as a regular guy. At least they failed---no one thinks Mitt is a regular guy.

In 2011 the LDS has provided humanitarian services for over 2 million people.

However you wish to label it, they are helping people less fortunate.

seeking--he has a half brother. Read this article.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/prez_brother_has_trust_issues_8rW5Gm1Dl9DLb5bcLAhmLM

thetotas

In 2011 the LDS has provided humanitarian services for over 2 million people.

Was financing California's anti-gay Proposition 8 campaign a "charity"? The Mormon church pumped big money into that, some of it no doubt coming from one of Mitt's overseas tax shelters. I'm not terribly impressed by Mitt's supposed charity. Mafia bosses used to be big charitable givers. It salved their consciences and made them popular with the neighbors (the ones whose knee caps they weren't breaking at least).

For every person Mitt feeds with his charitable contributions, he'll starve ten others when he cuts off their food stamps if he succeeds in lying his way into power.

plstink90 - I know he has a half-brother. I want wacko to show me evidence he lives in a hut.

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Do you not pay taxes on your investments???? Money hard earned by you, and you already paid taxes on it...you are getting double taxed and yet you are bitching about the truth of the 47%, not because some working american do not pay ant federal income taxes on the money they earn, can invest it and only be required to pay the smaller tax amount on investments...Good for you, way to see things clearly. As for Obama moving our nation forward....where have we gone forward with this clown in office...Please tell!!

BigBurt - the taxes are on the money EARNED by the investment - not the invested amount. Try to understand what you're talking about.

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I know what I am talking about.....that is why the tax rates on investments is different than Income Tax...Romney was talking about income tax not investment tax...which the truth hurts to those 47% who pay none....Follow your Master Obama's lead..Pay your fair share!!!

BigBurt - every post you make shows you DON'T know what you're spewing about!

Oh, and I pay my fair share which is well above 14%!

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Adler, well said. Me, too.

Capital gains taxes are only paid on the "gains" earned which is NEW earned income and should be taxed at a higher rate than 15%, it should be included as part of earned income because it is income earned. Interest earned on bank savings and checking accounts is added to total early income and is taxed as income not investment income.

Ronald Reagan raised the capital gains tax rate because he said it should be taxed at or close to the level of earned income level because it is new income. Reagan's rate was 28%.

Bravo, Adler---congratulations to you and Jody on your retirements. No one handed you folks any of the benefits you now receive---you worked darn hard and paid in for years, both for the actual benefits as well as general income taxes. I think Romney just doesn't get it.

Rick CO -

1/2 of the 47% are retired people, disabled, vets. So is that a crime? We paid into this system and were guaranteed social security. We don't complain that it's barely enough to live on in some cases - LET ALONE PAY INCOME TAX on! Why not go out today and kick your grandma while you're in this mood!

The system you are talking about that ppeople paid into, has nothing to do with the 47% he was talking about....he was talking about the 47% not paying any Federal Income tax...not paying into SSI or the others. If you made 35k and paid 5k in Fed income Tax and your neighbor made the almost same and paid zero Federal income tax (due to kids etc).....Do you still feel you should owe 5k in taxes when your neighbor pays none...you use the same roads, get mail delivered by the postal service etc, etc, etc

BigBurt - the 47% he was talking about are seniors, veterans, people who have low income, etc. They all pay into SSI. You're talking without knowing what you're talking about - again!

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47% are the Obama voters. They can not be swayed to vote for Romney, so Romney should not spend money & time trying to go after their vote.

With in the 47% are people who pay no taxes, so a tax reduction to them has no value.

Obama knows the long time democrat states are in the bag, so he spends no time on them, except when tax payers cover the cost.

I listened several times to Willard's talk to his high rolling friends and never once heard him clarify that 47% as you say Burty.

ICan't - I've done quite well in my life and cannot complain. I wish that people like you and other Repubes wouldn't look down on and pick on people less fortunate than yourselves.

JDBird - too bad we'd have a Pres who'd only represent 1/2 of the American people. Not my idea of a good president!

Rick CO, You obviously are unable to comprehend many of the posts on this site, yet you insist on spewing a lot of misguided opinions, rather than facts. What don't you understand about the true breakdown of the 47%?

Suzq got it right. Go kick your grandma.

And Obama's school records..fair trade

BigBurt - not it's not a fair trade. Income Tax Returns have been the standard for ALL Presidential candidates for all of our lifetimes. Not summaries - the actual returns. NEVER has it been required to release school records - NEVER.

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BigBurt -

My school records only show my name, address, classes taken, grades and degree. What exactly would POTUS's school records tell you?

At least Romoney's tax returns would prove he's a tax cheat!

I said tea nuts you know insane people..my who am i talking to??