Romney asked each of his V-P possibles for TEN TAX RETURNS. Surprise!!!
We know Romney is used to getting his own way, and is disconnected. But the No More Mitt Tax Returns drama is a big clue, about how the 0.01%-er corporate right would govern.

When Romney says NO he won't be vetted by the American people (one rule for him and one for everyone else), he's also acting on behalf of the GOP corporate elite. When we cave to their trial balloon on tax returns, they've got us to 1st base.

As a BAIN CAPITAL PRESIDENT, Romney would usher in a new business era with a whole different set of rules. When Romney said "corporations are people" ~~ he meant if elected he'd give us a big dose of what's important to big corporations, like forever cutting taxes for the rich, growing the deficit, raising taxes for the poor, minimum wages, 'unfettering' Wall Street, sending jobs overseas, making it hard to vote, and changing laws so you can't fight back.

What we won't get is a pathway to growing the middle class, under a Romney.
Let's not give RomneyRyan a free pass on tax returns. The No Tax Returns bid would only be the beginning.

It's Over and Team Romney Knows It:

Mitt Romney's father, George, once said he was "brainwashed" and evidently the country did not want a POTUS who could so easily be brainwashed, so they dropped him like a hot potato. Willard Romney said 47% of Americans are dependent on government and, "It's not my job to worry about THOSE people". People are now discarding Willard as if he was yesterday's newspaper.

The harsh reality is that team Romney will not be able to turn his campaign around. Regardless of what the pundits say, there is no path for Romney to win. Romney has locked himself in his own little box and there is no way out. Any change in direction will be a contradiction of previous positions.

Let's look at the facts:

1.The Republican war on women has taken its toll. Romney did not support the Lilly Ledbetter act and if he could he would pick Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe v. Wade.

2.Romney lost the Hispanic vote with his self-deportation comments and his unwillingness to support the dream act. Hard working minority groups deserve to be respected for their efforts and they are not hearing that from Romney.

3.Romney's callous comments that 47% of the country is dependent on government, many of whom are Republicans and senior citizens. And it's true that he does not worry about "those people".

4.Romney is on the wrong side of the issues. Seniors do not want Medicare to be replaced with couponcare. People do not want to pay more taxes so the wealthy can pay fewer taxes. People may not like big government, but they want their water and air to be clean, their food to be germ free, solid roads and bridges, quality healthcare, and their kids to receive a good education.

5.Romney's personal character flaws have been exposed: the lying, the flip-flopping, the pandering, the hiding of his personal wealth in the Cayman Islands, his lack of compassion for middle-class Americans, his lack of knowledge in foreign affairs.

The media wants to keep the drama alive by reporting on every detail of every event. They say Romney could turn it around at the debates. Who really believes that? The incumbent always has the advantage as he deals with the details every day. Romney has been told to be specific, but he can't or won't. He has no positive vision for America.

Romney's support comes from seniors, the very wealthy 1%ers, male Republicans who have always vote their party instead of their pocketbook, and those who disdain President Obama. These are overlapping groups and at best may comprise 48% of the population. Already we are seeing down-ballot candidates abandoning Romney and running their individual campaigns as if their job depends on it…because it does.

Ann Romney Melts Down and Tells the GOP They are Lucky To Have Mitt

By: Jason Easley and Sarah Jones September 20th, 2012

In a full blown meltdown, Ann Romney lashed out the Republican Party and told them that they were lucky to have her husband as their nominee.

In an interview with Radio Iowa, Ann Romney took a blowtorch and burned all the Romney bridges with GOP.

"If you love someone, you see them maligned, attacked, all these things that happen in a campaign, you get very defensive."

In other words, stop maligning Mitt Romney with his own words! Also, Mitt may call you victims, but you may not repeat what Mitt said. Got it?

Speaking of 2008, Ann spoke of how she "suffered" so very, very much and never wanted to do it again. She even made a video about how much she didn't want to do it. And yet, she is not letting this affect her. And they are "going forward".

Ann Romney then launched into an attack on the Republican Party, "Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring. This is hard and, you know, it's an important thing that we're doing right now and it's an important election and it is time for all Americans to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to have someone with Mitt's qualifications and experience and know-how to be able to have the opportunity to run this country."

This is now total inter party warfare between the GOP and the Romneys. Ann Romney provided proof that the pressure has gotten to the Romney campaign, and they are cracking up. Let's look at the lay of the land. Mitt Romney followed up his Libya debacle by calling half of America victims. Ann Romney then decided to tell her own party that it really hard to run for president.

What Ann Romney doesn't seem to get is the Republicans that she derisively labeled as the, "chattering class" are Republicans who have participated in winning presidential campaigns. People like Peggy Noonan and Mark McKinnon know what they are talking about, so when they tell Mitt and Ann Romney they are blowing it, it would be wise to listen up.

That's the thing that this campaign has revealed about the Romneys. They aren't wise. They are ambitious, reckless, narrow minded, out of touch, selfish, entitled, arrogant, uncaring, and a million other adjectives, but their biggest problem is that they aren't smart.

Ann and Mitt Romney are living proof that money can't buy intelligence. To the Romneys, the Republican Party is nothing but the help. Republicans need to keep their mouths shut and elect Mitt so that he can run the country.

Notice, Ann Romney didn't say that her husband would serve the country. You people serve the Romneys. The Romney don't serve anyone.

The Republican Party is lucky to have a nominee whose campaign is so incompetent that it may cost them a chance to retake the Senate, and their House majority.

It's not like any other Republican could have stepped up to the plate and served as President Obama's weak kneed punching bag for the last four months.

The Romney campaign is melting down before our very eyes, and Ann Romney's channeling of Leona Helmsley is the cherry on top.

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Wow just wow, how does it feel to be a Republican after you've heard that fusillade? The image that immediately comes to mind as I read this was, the Queen of Hearts. She is very upset at her subjects her fellow party members. No wonder there is all sorts of mixed messages and directions coming from their campaign. The efforts of Mitt Romney, including spray tanning his face ( he needs to ask John Boehner for some help in that area) as he pandered to a Hispanic audience in Miami was pathetic, no wonder he's losing here in the polls and its everyone else's fault. Any candidate for the Senate worth their salt are fleeing from him and the polls are reflective of that flight. The Queen is not happy, could she be any less helpful to a campaign? And this after he said we'll use her sparingly, I can understand why. His home state is showing he's behind by 28 pts, his home state or the one he's claiming is such for this cycle.

You know what's hard Ann? Its hard to try to make ends meet when you're working a low paying job, you don't feel good and you still get up and go to work, because you'll lose a day's pay that will help put food on the table for your children. It hard to deny a treat to your child, because you don't have enough money. Its hard, constantly worrying if there'll be enough money to pay the rent or a utility bill and hoping no one gets sick as you can't afford the over the counter meds.

Lady Ann you sicken me and it is hard for me to visualize such a selfish, self-absorb woman as our First Lady.

The Romney's want to run the country, not serve it. Voters should run from voting for them.

Lots of interesting articles here on First Thoughts this morning as the campaign heads into its final weeks. I hope everyone takes the time to read them.

Good stuff.

I hope you all got to see Elizabeth Warren last night in her debate. She is such a good candidate and would make a fantastic Senator.

Am I the only one that thinks it's a little crazy to have so many places already voting for the November elections? I understand that it helps alleviate lines on election day and assists people who might be out of town and all. But nearly a month and a half early!? There hasn't even been a debate. There is a lot that can happen between now and then. Any thoughts?

Gingerbread Mama:

Great post. Now Stop It! hahahaha

Am I the only one that thinks it's a little crazy to have so many places already voting for the November elections? I understand that it helps alleviate lines on election day and assists people who might be out of town and all. But nearly a month and a half early!? There hasn't even been a debate. There is a lot that can happen between now and then. Any thoughts?

Yeah, I find it a little off. I would hope they'd have waited for at least one debate before letting people vote.

Blackcatwhitecat, Ron, Gingerbread Mamma, Pat, a great Friday to you!

""The U.S. is headed for an industrial revival, says a new study.

"The US is on course to regain its status as a global industrial powerhouse…The rebound is being driven by several factors including lower energy costs, higher labour expenses in competitors such as China and the potential to use idle US port capacity for pushing up exports, according to the report by Boston Consulting Group. As a result the US has the potential to increase goods exports by up to $130bn by 2020, in the process adding 5m jobs to the US economy…The consultants estimate that because of the underlying shifts, the US will by 2015 have a cost advantage over manufactured goods exports of 5 to 25 per cent compared with countries such as Germany, Japan and the UK. In particular, the cost disadvantage the US suffers compared with China is starting to decrease."" (Peter Marsh, Financial Times)

Hi Ron......thanks. I always think its important to look at both sides of the same coin, wink wink.

Your post says what those in the media cant just say......good job!

It's time for a good book burning. Let's burn all the dictionaries. After all we don't use them much any more. That's why we can't come to agreement. It's the reason we can't compromise. The words we throw around don't have a common meaning.

Consider a few examples. Let's start with capitalism. To Oliver Closoff - a colossal dimwit who seeds right-wing garbage here - you must be a capitalist to be an American patriot, although he can't define capitalism. The Albanian idiot praises capitalism, which he equates with gambling on the price of pieces of paper.

How about the free market? Free markets are found in the same stable with unicorns. Having trouble finding that stable, are you? That's because, like unicorns, free markets are a myth. Today's "capitalists" couldn't survive in a truly free market. They would have to compete, and they hate competition. What they love is a good old-fashioned monopoly. Remember from Economics 1A, when they told you about free entry into the markets. You can't just throw out a sign and become a stock broker, or a lawyer, or a doctor. That's because capitalists who love free markets will do anything to stop competition.

They will actually lobby Congress people to erect barriers to entry into the market. They love those regulations, unless they're already in business, in which case they can regulate themselves.

How about conservatives? For the zombies who loudly proclaim their conservatism, what they mean is they are "conservatives" by virtue of the fact that anyone who disagrees with them is NOT a conservative. Those who disagree are liberals.

Then there's income redistribution. Literally every single financial transaction involves redistributing income. You do this with utility companies when you pay for their product, you do it with your babysitter when you pay for taking care of your kids, and you do this at the grocery store when you buy groceries. This is a good thing because if you don't pay for your groceries you are stealing. It is a bad thing when the government takes your income and redistributes it to pay for roads, defense, schools, parks, and mostest horriblest of all - paying medical bills for very ill people who are poor.

Pro-life means screaming about the sanctity of a fetus and carrying a rapist's child to term. Pro-lifers, in many cases, love the death penalty, war, and guns. Pro-choice means you love abortion.

Have a great weekend.

Obama is ahead in the Mass. polls.

The state that knows Romney best. LOL

Ann Romney says, "It is hard."

Does she think being First Lady will be easy?

OBAMA 2012

Good morning, everyone.

I have two first thoughts this morning.

This one is from Wisconsin, where the unemployment rate rose again last month -- from 7.3 percent to 7.5 percent -- even though a modest number of jobs -- nearly half in the public sector -- were created.

http://www.wrn.com/2012/09/wisconsin-unemployment-rate-jumped-in-august/

Wisconsin added 7,800 public and private sector jobs last month, but the state’s unemployment rate still rose by two-tenths of a point. State workforce development officials say the seasonally-adjusted jobless rate was 7.5 percent in August, up from 7.3 percent in July.

The best that Scott Walker can say about that is --

The new state rate is still below the national unemployment figure of 8.1 percent.

Governor walker promised us 250,000 jobs in his first term. How is that going?

Wisconsin has created about 19,000 jobs since Republican Governor Scott Walker took office in 2011. He has repeatedly promised to create 250,000 jobs by the end of his first term in January 2015.

Ah, I see. Now, for those who are paying attention, you will recall that Governor Scotty's union-busting, education-slashing budget went into place in June last year. He promised us that everything would be rosy after that. When it wasn't, he said, be patient, wait till after the recall election.

After the recall election, when Wisconsin lost nearly 19,000 jobs in two months, Walker blamed it on Obamacare.

Let's check in now and see what he's saying, shall we?

The governor and many business experts say job growth has been weak because of the political uncertainty posed by recall elections earlier this year and the upcoming Presidential, Congressional, and state elections in November.

Ah, yes. Well. The electorate WAS fooled in June. But right now, with President Obama leading in the polls in this state by somewhere between 6 percent and 14 percent, I'd say that maybe they're not fooled anymore.

So much for "uncertainty."

...

My second first thought of the morning relates to teat-sucking government-dependent liberals, like me -- well, okay, not like me -- and homeless veterans living under bridges.

Consider this --

Honestly, who could possibly be more teat-sucking and government-dependent than defense contractors, whose vested interest is not in peace?

They didn't build that alone.

Mitt Romney's budget has plenty of money for defense contractors -- in the form of $2 trillion in unfunded Defense Department increases that have no other justification but to maintain a certain percentage of GDP -- and yet Republicans in Congress can't see their way clear to provide jobs for returning veterans, even though that legislation WAS funded under the PAYGO standard.

Those teat-sucking, government-dependent veterans.

Think about this. And have a great weekend, everyone.

Gingerbread Mama, Ann Romney reminds me of Martha Mitchell...remember her (if you're old enough-like me), she would call reporters in the middle of the night and yell at them for picking on John! She was nuts!

God Bless you President Obama for Keeping us Freedom Loving Americans "Safe and Secure",

from those evil Domestic Terrorists, crazy-wacko Teabaggers and horrific-hideous Republicans.

Hey, I've got a Great idea!

Let's send Mitt Romney and his Republican "puppet-masters" "Back to the Political Dung Heap of History"

by Voting a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.

It'll be Fun and it's the Right thing to do.

We don't want a pathological Liar, admitted Tax-cheat, and possible Felon, who only Avoided those Felony charges by "RetroActively Retiring" from Bain Capital, in our White House.

Willard, show us your taxes and get a 10 point bounce. Just kidding because your past is dirty dealings.

Good morning all. Hey Grimey - I'm with you on that. I never minded waiting in line to vote on the designated day, but I suppose as we live in a more mobile society this has become the new norm.

This is just sad.

Paul Krugman, h/tDailyKos:

Where does this disdain for workers come from? Some of it, obviously, reflects the influence of money in politics: big-money donors, like the ones Mr. Romney was speaking to when he went off on half the nation, don’t live paycheck to paycheck. But it also reflects the extent to which the G.O.P. has been taken over by an Ayn Rand-type vision of society, in which a handful of heroic businessmen are responsible for all economic good, while the rest of us are just along for the ride.

In the eyes of those who share this vision, the wealthy deserve special treatment, and not just in the form of low taxes. They must also receive respect, indeed deference, at all times. That’s why even the slightest hint from the president that the rich might not be all that — that, say, some bankers may have behaved badly, or that even “job creators” depend on government-built infrastructure — elicits frantic cries that Mr. Obama is a socialist.

Now, such sentiments aren’t new; “Atlas Shrugged” was, after all, published in 1957. In the past, however, even Republican politicians who privately shared the elite’s contempt for the masses knew enough to keep it to themselves and managed to fake some appreciation for ordinary workers. At this point, however, the party’s contempt for the working class is apparently too complete, too pervasive to hide.

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This stuff reminds me of all that we hated about Europe in the old days, prior to WWI, before the houses all fell.

Who knew the rich wanted to bring all that upper class snobbery here to America?

I hope America is paying attention. I think we are. I hope we are.

Glad to see journalists in this country writing about what is going on.

It really is sad.

People for the most part just want a decent life. Why would anyone degrade that?

@Fool's Gold

Great FR! Not one word on the administration's reversal on whether or not the embassy attack in Libya was a terrorist attack orchestrated by Al-Queda or just "spontaneous". It's not as if we are interested in the real news here anyway--so just keep insulating us from the truth

If you read Joe in Albany's post, you'd see that this must be a terrorist attack because it is "self-evident". This means there currently is no evidence to suggest al-Qaida is behind it, or any other terrorist organization.

Personally, I'd think that if al-Qaida was behind it, they would have 'claimed responsibility' by now.

Gingerbread,

I heard part of the tape of Ann ordering fellow Republicans to stop criticizing her husband, on the grounds that what he is doing is really, really hard.

I wanted to say to her: "You know what else is hard? Hearing that your friend has been killed by extremists doing a job you authorized him to do, and having to deal with a campaign opponent who immediately tries to use it to score political points, even before the bodies have come home. That's hard."

I won't be able to take Queen Ann admonishing her critics, for four years. She thinks what she has been doing is hard, she should talk to Michelle.

Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA

Am I the only one that thinks it's a little crazy to have so many places already voting for the November elections? I understand that it helps alleviate lines on election day and assists people who might be out of town and all. But nearly a month and a half early!? There hasn't even been a debate. There is a lot that can happen between now and then. Any thoughts?

On the surface, i'm inclined to agree with you, but in this instance i think the battle lines have been fairly well established and there isn't that much sway-ability in the electorate. I know that there is no chance of me changing my vote due to platforms, and i'm going to wager that the people taking advantage of the early voting feel the exact same about their choice.

This isn't an election where a debate performance is going to convince people, the platforms and conventions took care of that methinks...

Times running out for Willard. With early voting starting and with Presidents Obama's growing lead, things aren't looking too good for Willard. The man (Willard) just keeps putting his foot in his mouth. He must like it there.

Now the debates are coming up. This should be the final crusher for Romney. Can't wait to see a professional speaker (our President) against a mumbler (like Willard). Should be a fun show to watch.

Until then just waiting and watching for Willard's next gaffe. You know it's coming.

OBAMA IN 2012.

Krugman has a piece today in NYT that sums up what most of us think. Romney has a disdain for the worker. But it doesn't stop at Romney. Krugman calls out the entire Republican Party. Deservedly. Link in case anyone wants to read.

For the fact is that the modern Republican Party just doesn’t have much respect for people who work for other people, no matter how faithfully and well they do their jobs. All the party’s affection is reserved for “job creators,” a k a employers and investors. Leading figures in the party find it hard even to pretend to have any regard for ordinary working families — who, it goes without saying, make up the vast majority of Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/opinion/krugman-disdain-for-workers.html?_r=0

Here's what the Australian Treasurer is saying about the Republicans here in the U.S. today:

CANBERRA (Reuters) - Australian Treasurer Wayne Swan, in an unusually blunt criticism of U.S. politics weeks before thepresidential election, said "cranks and crazies" had taken over the Republicans and posed the biggest threat to the world's largest economy.

Swan, one of few world leaders able to boast his country had avoided recession during the global financial crisis, also labelled the Tea Party wing of the Republicans as "extreme".

"Let's be blunt and acknowledge the biggest threat to the world's biggest economy are the cranks and crazies that have taken over the Republican Party," Swan said in a speech to a conference in Sydney.

http://news.yahoo.com/cranks-crazies-taken-over-republicans-australian-treasurer-001529139--business.html

@fRANK

I believe the candidates are who they are and the people who ay attention even when there isn't an election know who there guy is. There is such a small percent of undecided voters at this point, imo, that it just makes sense to help shorten those lines so that we can make sure very vote is ic and counted.

What do you think is going to change in the debates? Personally I think we have seen plenty from both to know who they are and what they stand for. While the debates will be entertaining I don't think it will sway those who have made up their minds already.

Fool’s,

From First Read:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/20/13994293-carney-self-evident-that-libya-attack-was-terrorism?lite

Do try to keep up

Eugene Robinson:

In an elegant dining room where the self-satisfaction was thick enough to cut with a knife, Romney made clear that he sees this election as “us” vs. “them” — wealthy Republicans vs. the unwashed hordes, makers vs. takers. Romney believes half of America is lazy, dependent and, frankly, not too bright.

Voters will soon have the opportunity to show him we’re not as stupid as he thinks.

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Eugene Robinson. He's become like family to us viewers of MSNBC. He has been with us every step of the way. Richard Wolffe. Karen Finney is amazing. So many guests on MSNBC speaking on behalf of we the people.

Please pay attention to the differences in the two parties. Please listen to these folks before you vote.

Please.

the media has chosen to bury this story in favor of focusing on Romney's supposed gaffes.

That tape of Romney at the fundraiser was no gaffe. Quit making excuses for your failed candidate. And quit blaming the media. AFAIK, it's called a "free press" and is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution. You should know that. After all, you rwnj's claim you're experts on the subject.

Sueb.....unfortunately I'm old enough to remember Martha Mitchell those were some days weren't they? And yes, Lady Ann does remind me of her. I have this visual in my mind of her losing it and saying, 'off with their heads'! Ann uncorked would not be a pretty sight.

Joe Albany: "Has anyone else noticed that, in the last couple of days, FR has been much more peaceful, civil, and even pleasant??"

No, all I see is some guy from Albany referring to a female poster as "an old hag" along with his usual "LMAO!" And Michael 1969 talking about somebody getting "b!tch-slapped". So much for peace and civility and pleasantness, huh?

"Grimey" - Unless it was a dire emergency, I would never take advantage of early voting, for precisely the reasons you mention. Besides, walking through the crisp fall leaves before 7:00am so I can be one of the first in line at my polling place and standing in line with my fellow voters and walking into the booth and seeing those names on the board is just a life-long tradition that I look forward to every November. Of course, I'll admit it lost something when we switched from those old cranks and levers that made such a satisfying noise when you pulled that last big one to open the curtain ("Take THAT, Mitt Romney!") to that sort of bland and boring touch screen version (great for ordering sandwiches at Wawa; not as much fun for voting). But it's what I grew up with, and just sticking an envelope in the mail like I'm paying the electric bill isn't nearly as much of a thrill.

But to answer your question, the polls seem to indicate that most people already have their minds firmly made up, and since the debates are so rehearsed and not really "debates" at all anymore, I can't see what would change anyone's minds at this point. Topless photos of Kate Middleton on one of the campaign busses, maybe?

Or put it this way, since you're about the most moderate, center-leaning Republican I know - what, if anything, would change YOUR mind at this point in time?

Tzalaran...

I hear what you are saying. But there is still that segment of the population that hasn't made up their mind yet and they could very well decide this election. Is it possible they make a decision now, and then something happens in the interim? Maybe. What happens if there is an October surprise?

I guess my point is that I understand and get the concept of early voting, but I just don't understand why it needs to be this early.

Me personally, I kinda enjoy getting in line on election day...taking in the energy and passion of the other voters.

Hi Dan...

I get what you are saying...definitely don't want anyone not getting to vote because of an insane line. I think there are still quite a few people who aren't paying a whole lot of attention to the election. I hear people around the water cooler talking more about football and baseball than anything. Just sharing my thoughts. Thanks for the comment.

Happy Friday all!! :-)

To Joe at #1.8, it is sooooooooo refreshing, isn't it?!?!?? I'm loving it!

Early Voting and absentee voting are two different things.

Need to know your state election laws.

Here in MN absenttee ballots are sent out 46 days before the election. It does not mean those folks vote that early, they just get the ballot. they can mail it back in or show up at county office during nomal business hours and fill out their absentee ballot. One needs to have a reason for an absentee vote: out of town on election day, being an election judge in a different precient, living in a nursing home, etc.

Frank,

I know you live in Florida and I think your elections laws have changed since 2008.

Better check it out, to make sure you can vote on election day.

I always vote on election day.

Frank "Grimey",

If elections were a single issue or single candidate then voting now would be ok if you know that nothing will change your mind.

Voting this early is truly for low information voters. These are voters that will vote a straight ticket and probably don't care about other issues on the ballot.

Texas: It is just to early, 6 weeks. All kind of things can and do happen.

Buckeye Dennis - I'm not going to sway your vote nor you mine, but with regard to foreign policy and this recent tragedy, can we at least not admit that this administration got caught with its pants down? I hope ANY administration will do its very best do defend us from enemies foreign and domestic. Apparently the act in Bengazi was from someone released from Gitmo (low-value) detainee under the Bush administration. Both sides of the aisle must come together and be more vigilent on this matter. Our very freedom depends on it.

@ Pat Boston, MA

The reason that is being degraded is because we've forgotten our history and instead believe mythic propaganda about an America that never existed except in Hollywood films. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it, and we are in the process of moving back to a society reminicient of the swinging 20s with unregulated capitalism, no rights for workers, and an electorate that was dominated by those who had money and power.

Everything that made the america we grew up in great came as a result of the great depression. The new deal combined with WWII was what created the greatest economy and middle class in the world, and right now we have one party that wants to do away with the new deal policies because their theory is that the new deal policies are what is currently holding back this country, the fools.

Revisionist history will get you every time...

Michael1969

.....and Americans come in red, white & blue.......go away foreigner! This is about AMERICAN politics!

So do Brits ... so sorry Michael, I thought this was about who to blowup next; Syria or Iran? You are going to ask us to lend a hand right, but in the mean time we should just shut up. Once again moron, this is not America, this is the internet and HS has no sway. Enjoy your day, I'm here for the duration and beyond.

Northstar...Thanks. I'm definitely well-versed on when I can go to the polls down here. I'm lucky that I have a polling place that isn't terribly crowded. :-)

Dennis...So when do you guys start early voting in the Buckeye State?

Good morning and happy Friday. Great job libs; enjoyed every post. Pander Bear! Hate to admit it but I remember Martha Mitchell.

Grimey, while your point is good, most people who vote early have already made up their minds; those who are undecided will wait until after the debates and closer to the election. In addition, early voting and vote by mail encourages people to participate in the voting process by giving them more days to do it including weekends when most people have more time. I think it is a good thing.

@Fool's Gold

First of all, Carney saying that the fact that this was a terrorist attack is "self-evident" is a complete reversal from the administrations stance for the last 10 days. Secondly, if you had access to real news you'd know that there is plenty of evidence that does indeed point to Al-Queda.

Link.

@GM:

Ann Romney Melts Down and Tells the GOP They are Lucky To Have Mitt

What exactly melted down? Her nose?

How can you win Mitt when you have such extreme right wing views and you would be a disaster as president with your foot in the mouth problem! Please let's not put our country at risk by electing this incompetent man!

I'm still waiting to hear how Mitt will stop China from cheating? Maybe start another republican war?

Tzalaran, it's true what you have written. I listen closely to the GOP pundits and politicians on tv; they are into divisiveness bordering on extreme, just hoping it sticks, because if it doesn't, we will have a democracy. And they don't want that. And we get a democracy by voting for Democrats.

Today's Republican Congress is catering to these rich people at the expense of the American worker. It's why we have no jobs bill. The Republican Party is out and out telling us -

WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU.

GBM, you are the best.

I have tried to have an open mind in this cycle though I have enormous respect for the Obamas as the First Family and great human beings; I could even have been swayed by Jon Huntsman. Mitt Romney has emerged on the right as the only GOP candidate capable of running for office amongst a class of clowns so I have tried to be fair in analyzing his credentials. However, all the evidence points to him being an ambitious man who wants the Presidency as a trophy rather than running in a sincere attempt to help the country.

* His success at Bain was, at least in part, due to leveraging Government Loans - a "thank you United States Government" would be in order, Mitt.

* The missing hard drives from the Salt Lake Olympics and his disastrous single term as Mass. Governor are disturbing. As to the amount the United States Government contributed to those Olympics - another "thank you" perhaps.

* The concept that voters would elect him to public office yet have no right to see his past tax returns is as ludicrous as me refusing to let a new client contact any of my previous clients for a reference. It smacks of something to hide.

* The Romney campaign has accepted too much money from large donors. What will they want if he gets elected; the success of our country or an increase their individual wealth (and the two are not synonymous.)

No matter how much a person might think they hate President Obama, Romney is not a serious alternative in this election. A few hours of independent research by all voters interested in making an informed choice will strip away the cloak of evil that Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and others have hung around the President. I will concede out of respect from friends with different opinions that Barrack Obama cannot possibly represent the divers views of everyone in this great country but to think him evil and vote for Romney?

This one is over: Give Barrack Obama his second term and support him in his sincere attempts to continue the way forward. 2016 will be a new ball game and I am looking forward to vetting all the Democratic and GOP candidates with unbiased fairness for the good of the United States.

Michael1969

Instead of worrying about a lone poster on a board where no one's opinion is changed, perhaps you might want to expend some energy on foreign capital coming into superpac coffers. Your real enemy is often the one you cannot see.

Here's the truth about our tax laws:

Corporate Tax Loopholes = Corporate Socialism: Pulitzer Prize Winner David Cay Johnston

The United States has the highest marginal corporate tax rate in the world, at 39.2%.

Corporations, Wall Street, Mitt Romney and even President Obama all argue that rate is too high for U.S. companies to be competitive in the global economy.

That would be the case if corporations paid such high rates but often they don't. Take Microsoft. The company avoided at least $6.5 billion in taxes using transactions with subsidiaries in Puerto Rico, Ireland, Singapore and Bermuda that were perfectly legal, according to the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which held a hearing Thursday on corporate tax avoidance.

Carl Levin (D-Michigan), chairman of the subcommittee told reporters, "These loopholes and abuses exact a tremendous cost…What these gimmicks do is shift the burden of taxes onto citizens and business who don't use armies of lawyers and accountants."

"The scandal is the law," says David Cay Johnston, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter and author of "The Fine Print: How Big Companies Use 'Plain English' to Rob You Blind."

He told The Daily Ticker: A 1909 law requires that companies not hold more cash than needed to reasonably run their business. If they don't re-invest the extra cash into the business or pay dividends, they face a 15% penalty tax unless they hold the extra funds offshore. That loophole was signed into law under President Ronald Reagan, and it allows companies like Microsoft (MSFT) and Hewlett-Packard (HPQ) to borrow against some of those foreign asset..

Johnston calls all these tax practices examples of "corporate socialism" which shifts the tax burden from corporations to ordinary citizens.

"The rest of us have to pick up burden by paying higher taxes or getting less government services or the government takes on more debt," says Johnston.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/corporate-tax-loopholes-corporate-socialism-pulitzer-prize-winner-121242544.html?l=1

ROMNEY SLOGAN

Believe in (half of) America.

OBAMA 2012

blackcatwhitecat

Panda bears come in black and white and Romney’s alternating skin tones of orange and white may have given us a new term to toss about. Pander Bear.

Actually, it's not a new term. That's what Paul Tsongas called Bill Clinton when they were both competing for the Democratic nomination in 1992. All politicians do what could fairly be called pandering once in while, but Mitt Romney has taken it to unprecedented extremes.

Why isn't the media picking up on Romney's five children being "freeloaders"?

The five Romney sons enjoy tax-free income from a $100 million trust fund on which no gift taxes were paid.

Remember, Romney said his sons serve their country by campaigning for him. It's time to tell these freeloaders to serve their country and stop living tax free.

Houston!

Thanks, I had a feeling that it was not a new term.

Debbie....so Romney's father was on welfare and his son's are freeloaders....Mitt Romney's whole family is part of the 47%!!!

"Grimey", many of us already know who we will be voting for. We figured out Mitt Romney long ago so debates won't make a bit of difference in who we think will better serve our country.

Martha Mitchell was an awful drunk; Ann Romney makes selfish, irritating, demanding, baseless, comments stone cold sober. There is no excuse for this entitled woman to be so defensive, considering her husband has been attacking the President with lies for months, and carpet bombed his primary opponents with negative ads before that.

Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA

Am I the only one that thinks it's a little crazy to have so many places already voting for the November elections? I understand that it helps alleviate lines on election day and assists people who might be out of town and all. But nearly a month and a half early!? There hasn't even been a debate. There is a lot that can happen between now and then. Any thoughts?

I agree that voting this early seems a little unreasonable. The Republicans are, in fact, cutting early voting in states they control, but not this SUPER early voting in September. They're eliminating voting the Sunday before the election day because that's a day when African Americans traditionally vote. The avalanche of new Jim Crow laws is a lot more serious a problem than early voting.

Pandering?

Obama speaking to Spanish-language TV network Univision.

You keep reminding me my biggest failure is we haven't gotten comprehensive immigration reform done. That's why he needs a second term.

I am sorry, but I had to laugh.

The next few weeks are going to be GREAT. Obama is actually going to have to answer legitimate questions on his past 4 years of fail.

And Romney is going to have to go into details on his plan when confronted with the following:

$5 trillion in tax cuts (mostly to the rich)

$2.1 trillion in DOD overspending

$600 billion in new deficit

The numbers don't lie. Romney has some explainin' to do.

John Wayne said it best: "Life is hard. Life is harder when you're stupid."

This is the Wrongme's in a nutshell (whoops!). Mitt is not very smart, as Gingerbread Mama notes. If he WAS smart, he'd have filed his latest tax return in time and released it. Problem solved. Everyone would have forgotten about it by now.

Instead, he puts it off until October 15. This represents an amazing lapse. He has promised to release it when he files - RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION!!! What a dufus! It is only one of a litany of strategic errors he has committed.

If his continued bumbling, gaffes, missteps and pandering to this group one day and another opposing group the next day does not help you see that this guy has the worst judgment of any political candidate in history, there is no help for you.

He's an idiot, and so is his wife. He may be rich, but he is still an idiot.

Help me out here. Did I miss something? When did we turn Foreign Policy over to Fox News? When did it become fashionable to attack a President during a crises? Ever think the goal might have been to keep the terrorist in one place so they would be easier to capture? I believe the FBI has a better idea of what needs to be done than Megyn Kelly. Perhaps we should wait for their report. I'm guessing it will be a bit more accurate.

Most Americans are calling "ROBMEHOOD" the Sugarman Pimp for the Mega Rich !!!!!!!!!!!

Fool's Gold -

They've mention the 47% video countless times despite the fact that Romney's only point was that people who already don't pay federal income tax wouldn't be attracted to him for tax cuts, (emphasis added)

Really? Romney made several points in his speech - almost all of them inacccurate, divisive or demeaning.

Let's break it down:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the President no matter what.

That is probably the only accurate thing in Romney's statement.

All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax ... (emphasis added)

This statement is inaccurate on two counts.

One, the 47% "who pay no income tax" are NOT all dependent on government for health care, food, housing, etc. Some of them are seniors, college students, the working poor, etc. who either work hard or have worked hard and are retired. This is a totally inaccurate "leap of logic".

Two, the 47% who don't pay income tax are NOT The same 47% who vote for President Obama. That would mean almost all of President Obama's supporters pay no federal income tax, and that is obviously not the case. Many Seniors, soldiers, and others who pay no federal income are ardent Republicans.

"My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

This is the most divisive and demeaning part of the statement. No amount of spin can disquise the fact that Romney flat-out admits that he considers those who don't pay federal income tax to be beneath his concern due to their laziness and lackof personal responsibility. Romney basically writes off almost half of all Americans and says they are beyond help, they will NEVER be productive members of society, and it is not his job to worry about them.

Despite the many inaccuracies and "leaps of logic", both the content of the statement and the passionate manner in which Romney delivered it are a true window into the way he and other wealthy Republicans consider the poor and middle-class.

DCIA, to add to the Australian Treasurers assessment of the GOP, Garrison Keillor wrote: "Republicans: the No 1. reason the rest of the world thinks we're deaf, dumb and dangerous."

As for voting early, I am one who liked going to the polls on election day, didn't mind waiting in line, enjoyed the excitement of election day. Then one late October, I tripped, fell and shattered my elbow and on what would have been election day if an election year, I was at the U of IA trauma center having surgery. Now, once I have made up my mind, and because the State allows it, I vote early because you never know where you will be and I know every vote counts.

Xabre,

Aside from your entire post being nothing but false, the 600 Billion in new deficit, is still HALF of what Obama racks up EVERY YEAR in deficits... So what exactly is your point on that?

I find it funny how you said he needs to go into details, yet you provided GREAT detail into what you say he will do. Something isn't adding up here....

Brianb1956

... I personally feel that Obama is in meltdown

Concern Citizen-856329

Gingerbread Mamma

Ann Romney Melts Down and Tells the GOP They are Lucky To Have Mitt

GM Ginger. This statement could be construed to be violent.

Brianb you may want to explain to your fellow wing nut the meaning of a melt down

I watched the Brown/Warren debate which almost didn't happen because Scottie "Coward" Brown tried every trick in the book to miss it but got shut down by Harry Brown.

So Scott "Romney Who?" Brown showed up. Not only he looked unprofessional, angry, and arrogant, he made all of us aware that if you don't look ethinc, you are not ethinc.

Interesting news item that Rachel Maddow reported but the most of the news media has been ignoring: Several of the coal mine workers that appeared in a Romney campaign rally reported that they were forced to go the rally, and had their pay docked for the time spent at the rally. So Romney is running his campaign rallies like Dear Leader in North Korea, although I'm not sure that Dear Leader forces people to attend his mass rallies.

Spanky,

Feisty was Suspended NOT Banned.

Gas prices were at an all-time high in 2008, the highest ever.

Personally, I'd think that if al-Qaida was behind it, they would have 'claimed responsibility' by now.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/al-qaeda-claims-responsibility-for-killing-us-ambassador-in-attack-on-us-consulate-in-libya/

http://warsclerotic.wordpress.com/2012/09/15/al-qaeda-claims-responsibility-for-killing-us-ambassador-in-attack-on-us-consulate-in-libya/

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/25/al-qaida-claims-responsibility-for-deadly-iraq-attacks-that-killed-115/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444517304577653680320732176.html

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/14864025/qaeda-calls-for-fresh-attacks-us-pulls-some-embassy-staff/

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/pages-7/Al-Qaeda-taking-credit-for-Libyan-Embassy-attack-whether-they-actually-did-it-or-not-Scrape-TV-The-World-on-your-side-2012-09-16.html

Northstar, hi and a good Friday to you.

You're right about the need to check out VOTING INFORMATION in our own states.

The following is a link to check out voter ID requirements:

http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx

Here is a partial open letter to Mitt Romney that is making the rounds all over the internet.

Please America, read it.

You call me entitled. I devote every day of my life to bettering the planet I live on, with no hope of profit. I am sorry, sir, but you calling me entitled is like the pot calling the dove black. That isn’t going to work. I challenge you to stand at my side and let the American public judge which of us is entitled. I spend every dime of my and my husband’s earned income as quickly as it comes in, right here in my town. Every dime I earn and spend stays in America. I am the ultimate Job Creator. Who are you to challenge me?

You simply must stop and consider those you dismiss as beneath you or you cannot be our leader. It is an unwritten but widely understood rule of the presidency. I don’t know what they taught you when you were out there scalping businesses hard-won on the backs of people like that 47% you so rudely kick around, but in the real world, we care when Americans suffer. We care when you forget the young military men and women who serve our nation by sacrificing their lives. We care when Americans go hungry. We care when Americans jobs are sent overseas and rich men hide societal resources in offshore accounts. We care that we are being ripped off and even if you find profit and power in our suffering, we still exist, we still care, and we will still stand up.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/9/20/2164/07714#7

Good morning everyone and happy Friday.

I must say that the last 24 hours has been an emotional roller-coaster for me. The President up in the polls, and then two frustrated fools in Texas and Virginia metaphorically lynch the President by hanging empty chairs in their front yards. Even newer poll numbers showing the President's numbers are continuing to climb despite unrest in the Middle East, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham and the hundreds of millions of dollars the Koch's and others have poured into Romney election effort.

Then, there is Ann Romney's melt-down.

That's really the straw that breaks the camels back. Her meltdown is the saddest and strongest indicator that it's over for Mr. Romney and Mrs. Romney knows it and is having a hard time dealing with it. He so wanted to be President, she so wanted to be First Lady, and truth be told, if it weren't for the right or right status of the new Republican TEA Party Mitt Romney, the Mitt Romney from 2004 when he was the progressive governor of Massachusetts, would have been a very strong contender.

But he was never comfortable with the right of right rhetoric and he made mistakes trying to be conservative enough for the new GOP. Frankly, in my opinion, the 2004 Mitt Romney might have made a pretty good President.

Ann Romney's emotional plea on behalf of her husband is hard to read and probably even harder to listen to. But if there was ever a final nail in a coffin, that was it. It's over. She knows it, he knows it, but they've got to keep moving towards the ending they know better than anybody is already foretold.

I feel bad for Romney. I feel bad for his lovely wife. I seriously, really do. No snark intended, I feel very sorry for them both.

I've been critical of Romney and the GOP. I've used the term "Queen Ann" to describe Mrs. Romney. I've fought hard for my candidate, Barack Obama, and I've traded shots with the GOP posters. But now I think I need to take a moment of respect for what could of been. The Romney's are not bad people, they just belong to a schizophrenic party that has lost it's way and it's vision of positive future for America and the world. They hitched their ambitions to the wrong wagon. Their disappointment, as voiced by Mrs. Romney, is palpable.

It's over. The President will win. There is nothing that will change the outcome now. But I really can't help but feel a moment of sadness for the Romney's. They know their dream will never come true and it's all the Tea Party's fault. The new GOP and Romney's attempt to appease them smothered Romney's chances. If he'd run as the moderate/progressive that he really is, this would be a horse race to the end and much, much closer. But he couldn't because of the "my way or the highway" Tea party that is currently calling the tunes for the GOP. He was damned from the beginning if he did and damned if he didn't. A classic, Catch-22, no-win situation.

So long Mitt & Ann, maybe you could emulate former President Carter, he whose Presidency you so callously besmirched, and use your millions and your remaining years to do some good for the 47% and redeem yourselves?

I'm sorry for your loss and I'm sorry to see what the GOP has become.

But I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm also delighted the President will get a second term.

Obama/Biden 2012

Xabre,

Aside from your entire post being nothing but false, the 600 Billion in new deficit, is still HALF of what Obama racks up EVERY YEAR in deficits... So what exactly is your point on that?

I find it funny how you said he needs to go into details, yet you provided GREAT detail into what you say he will do. Something isn't adding up here....

Obama's budget proposal for 2013 cuts $400 billion (almost a third) from the deficit.

ir12 -- You wrote:

Help me out here. Did I miss something? When did we turn Foreign Policy over to Fox News? When did it become fashionable to attack a President during a crises?

Spot on! It's also sad that the right winders who watch Fox have a hard time distinguishing commentary from NEWS.

Patriotic American U.S.A. said:

Most Americans are calling "ROBMEHOOD" the Sugarman Pimp for the Mega Rich !!!!!!!!!!!

Most Americans? That's a stretch.

Many Americans are calling Obama incompetent.

Two can play that game.

Pimp with the Limp. JayZ knows me. He knows my life.

Gingerbread Mamma --

That's the thing that this campaign has revealed about the Romneys. They aren't wise. They are ambitious, reckless, narrow minded, out of touch, selfish, entitled, arrogant, uncaring, and a million other adjectives, but their biggest problem is that they aren't smart.

Bravo.

All of that, and one more thing besides, that makes the Romneys dangerous. For politicians, they are incredibly thin-skinned. In Mitt Romney this manifests in his inability to take a position and stick to it. In Ann Romney, it manifests in flashes of temper.

But they ain't seen nothing yet ...

The Obamas have been called every name in the proverbial book. Their legitimacy to live, much less to serve in the White House, has been attacked over and over again by the likes of Orly Taitz and Donald Trump. John Sununu, himself born in Cuba, accuses President Obama of not knowing what it is like to be American. They are reviled by the Tea Party and hung in effigy in front of churches all across the South on an increasingly frequent, and alarming basis. Slime like Ted Nugent can make veiled threats about them and the right doesn't even blink. And no doubt the Obamas are threatened more times than we ever hear about.

And yet, for all of that ... you would never see Michelle Obama make the kind of display that Ann Romney did.

Does she not love her husband as much? You couldn't ask that if you ever watched them together or saw her at the convention. It's obvious that they are very much in love. The outer calm and class continuously displayed by the Obamas under the enormous assault to which they have been subjected gives you comfort because you know it comes from a deep well of inner strength.

With Mitt and Ann Ronmney, you simply have to wonder.

And when you elect a President, you have to be confident that he will have the inner strength for the job. Neither Mitt nor Ann Romney provide that confidence.

"GM recalling almost 474,000 cars over gear shift"

I can think of another recall that should have happened...

NON Socialist/Marxist

Aside from your entire post being nothing but false, the 600 Billion in new deficit, is still HALF of what Obama racks up EVERY YEAR in deficits... So what exactly is your point on that?

take out the Bush unpaid wars obligations, Bush mortgage payments, Bysh mortgage interest payments, Bush FY2009 deficit, Bush unpaid tax cuts, the unpaid Bush Medicare Part D, and tell me what you have left.

Xabre,

Xabre,

Aside from your entire post being nothing but false, the 600 Billion in new deficit, is still HALF of what Obama racks up EVERY YEAR in deficits... So what exactly is your point on that?

I find it funny how you said he needs to go into details, yet you provided GREAT detail into what you say he will do. Something isn't adding up here....

Obama's budget proposal for 2013 cuts $400 billion (almost a third) from the deficit.

His budget DEFICIT is still over a TRILLION dollars, just like it has been every year he has been in office.

Ok...kinda off topic...but I saw this headline and just had to laugh at my own state a bit.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/u-postal-asking-floridians-stop-crashing-post-offices-213551323.html

If you are in a swing state then get ready for the onslaught !!!

Romney and various Super Pacs will be peppering television, radio, etc. with advertisements.

Do your due diligence and go to politifact.com or factcheck.org and see if those ads are telling you the truth. I think you'll find that the best that most can do is "half-truth". That should tell you something.

Better yet, if you want to raise your middle finger at the corporate money spilling in from God knows where, then simply don't watch the ads !!!

His budget DEFICIT is still over a TRILLION dollars, just like it has been every year he has been in office.

Actually his 2013 Budget Proposal has a deficit of about $900 billion, down from $1.33 trillion. And that's just in one year.

" I personally feel that Obama is in meltdown mode...."

Well, heck yeah. Isn't that what usually happens when you find yourself ahead in damn near every swing state?

Spanky --

Oh and AM - we got us so bad unemployment out here. And yet we are bluer than blue, with Moonbeam for a gov.

What were you saying again?

Not much, at least about California. California is not comparable to Wisconsin.

Here in Wisconsin, we were promised something much different. Despite the fact that we had already climbed most of the way out of our own hole by the time he took office, Walker still got everything he insisted on by way of tax cuts for the wealthy and cuts to education, medical assistance, other social programs, environmental programs, and the like.

There is no one else that he can legitimately blame for the fact that, at just about the halfway point in his term, he is only 206,000 jobs short of the 250,000 jobs that he promised and we rank dead last in the Midwest in job creation, and certainly way behind California.

So what's your point?

Screeeeminglib said: Brianb you may want to explain to your fellow wing nut the meaning of a melt down

Why should I have to explain to people that already understand the meaning of meltdown? Like I said, Obama is in meltdown. The liberal version of Ann's meltdown is trite. Any opportunity to find a slight chink in a republican's armor all of a sudden becomes this gaping hole and fatal bleeding in the eyes of a liberal. I have always said liberals have this tendency to over exaggerate when they say anything about a republican.

Now if you'd like to discuss the meltdown of Obama... I'll be more than happy to expound on it. He's like a chunk of ice sitting on a hot sidewalk in July. Melting slowly but steadily. Each new event produces more of the same bad decision making and cover-ups. Sorry to expose the reality of it to you, but maybe you like to be lied to by the administration. We can just go over the middle east blow up, the killing of our diplomats and how the White House has lied about it and tried to play defense for what they've told the American public about it... and then contrast what they've said to the truth. Like I said, maybe you like being lied to by the president.

I saw several clips of Willard Romney appearing on Univision. What I want to know is why there has not been a wholesale castigation of this fraud for appearing in "brown face." When Ben Stiller put on make-up while playing a clueless character actor in "Tropic Thunder," there was a general outcry, wanting to have him arrested, tried, convicted and put into the electric chair.

With Mitt Romney, the only comments I've seen have been on John Stewart and Stephen Colbert. What gives. Is it OK to blatantly pander and insult persons of hispanic heritage ? Or is it that this is a Republican doing this, so its OK ?

Will you allow Romney or Ryan to show up on BET in black face next with no comment ?

Come on Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Brooke Brower, where are you on reporting this ?

Xabre,

His budget DEFICIT is still over a TRILLION dollars, just like it has been every year he has been in office.

Actually his 2013 Budget Proposal has a deficit of about $900 billion, down from $1.33 trillion. And that's just in one year.

Are these numbers run just like unemployment is run under this administration? I love how you are acting like 900 billion is a great improvement.... How about a 0 dollar deficit? Do you spend more money than you make?

Get a clue.

Skip,

The new GOP and Romney's attempt to appease them smothered Romney's chances. If he'd run as the moderate/progressive that he really is, this would be a horse race to the end and much, much closer

I would like to give Romney the benefit of the doubt and believe that the "moderate governor of MA" was his true personality, but I just can't.

Although I don't think he is as conservative as he makes himself out to be, I sincerely believe that the "moderate governor " never really existed - it was just a facade Romney used to get elected. Romney almost immediately moved to the right pnce he got elected, and his approval ratings plummetted.

So was his move to the right a true reflection, or just another calculated move in his run for the presidency? What scares me is we will never know - maybe like most businessmen he has no loyalty to a position or a cause - he just adopts whatever "advertising slogan" gets him elected.

I do know that in his unscripted moments he becomes an elitist, entitled, aristocratic snob who semmingly has no empathy, respect or concern for the workng class.

drive-by-observer said:

" I personally feel that Obama is in meltdown mode...."

Well, heck yeah. Isn't that what usually happens when you find yourself ahead in damn near every swing state?

What polls are you looking at? Do you know what the margin of error is all about? Do you know what over-polling democrats is all about? Do you know what his polls were like before the 2008 election? Apparently not.

Feisty -- Can't wait to you get back. Miss your humor! Hope you gave em' hell and made the time out worth it!

See back on the boards soon.

Pat in Boston -- Thanks for posting that letter. Very powerful.

Are these numbers run just like unemployment is run under this administration? I love how you are acting like 900 billion is a great improvement.... How about a 0 dollar deficit? Do you spend more money than you make?

Get a clue.

Yes, I should get a clue. Romney's plans increase the deficit, but Obama is decreasing it. Yes, I certainly should get a clue.

By the way, nice job GOP on the filibuster of the VA Jobs Act. They certainly love their military...

Sorry NBC, you fail for not keeping up any articles about the administraion somehow "Evolving" to understand there was a terrorist attack. I saw you had something last night on it and clearly the post on the article were not very promising for Obama.

How is that not big news? How can you hide articles like this? I know liberals will say its Fox News, but they should look at other reputable news sites!

Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago this network was talking about how Obama's foreign policy is so great? But now, they wont even talk about it. I figure it is Friday and the bad news will be published again later so that not many will see it just before the weekend.

Aw - wait, what?

I supposed to have a point?

Heck no today's Friday - Got a few hearings this morning then OUT for weekend.

In fact - we are going to Disneyland Sunday.

I might not get me any Feisty [say Dennis would this last suspension be a record here at FR? Have you ever been suspended? How ridiculous is it that she can't control herself and REPEATEDLY gets suspended. And even worse comes back, again and again. Would you ever come back to a silly website if it banned you? Of course not] but I will be getting me some MICKEY MOUSE.

New Cars Land is open, and it is right near the great wine bar and Ariel Bar in California. Anyone else gonna be there - drinks on me!

Obama's budget proposal for 2013 cuts $400 billion (almost a third) from the deficit.

So what programs is he cutting? He wants to increase taxes by 70B so that 330B in cuts. Where?

Seeing Romney in that fake pray tan was insulting. It was like seeing old videos of white guys coloring their faces black to make fun and act like black men. These guys dont have a chance. And now with Pawlenty gone, it is only a matter of time before we see more of these guys try to flee this sinking ship!

Dennis - Columbia, Ohio said: Gas prices were at an all-time high in 2008, the highest ever.

And your point is? Do you see gas prices falling in the near future? How long did that last? I can tell you... They peaked in April 2008. Bush made the announcement that the Strategic Reserves would be tapped to help lower prices... the speculators believed him and prices fell to $1.84 by late October.

Where's Obama on this? He's still hoping gas prices will go up to $5.00 per gallon. He said so.

Xabre,

Are these numbers run just like unemployment is run under this administration? I love how you are acting like 900 billion is a great improvement.... How about a 0 dollar deficit? Do you spend more money than you make?

Get a clue.

Yes, I should get a clue. Romney's plans increase the deficit, but Obama is decreasing it. Yes, I certainly should get a clue.

By the way, nice job GOP on the filibuster of the VA Jobs Act. They certainly love their military...

I think it is funny you are trying to defend the biggest spender in the HISTORY of the United States.

By the way, that bill got killed in the DEM LED SENATE.... Take a Billion dollars out of the welfare programs and give it to the VETS. I am all for it. Print more money with QE3 to pay for it and I'm not.

By the way, nice job GOP on the filibuster of the VA Jobs Act. They certainly love their military...

Senator Tom Coburn gave a great explanation on why this bill failed.

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) said the veteran job bill that failed to move through the Senate on Wednesday was an example of the "crap" Congress had done for years.

The legislation was blocked by Senate Republicans who said it violated budget rules by adding to the deficit. It won 58 votes, two short of the 60 needed to proceed.

Coburn said it also violated last summer's debt-ceiling deal, known as the Budget Control Act, by adding more spending than was agreed to in that legislation.

“We have six government veterans jobs programs now and nobody knows if they’re working,” Coburn continued. “We’re spending a billion dollars a year on it and we were going to create another one that was supposed to be temporary.”

http://thehill.com/video/senate/250607-coburn-veterans-jobs-bill-another-example-of-congresss-crap

So Dennis - care to comment on the effects on QE3 on gas prices?

Moe printed money, that no one wants, that only lessens the value of the existing money.

$4.35 here in sunny SD.

Say any of you remember that Obama add where he blamed Bush for high gas prices?

Yeah, so do I. Isn't u tube neat?

Grimmey

Obama had rather have everybody vote early, even before the debates. It gonna be interesting watching him ramble without his teleprompter.

This will be the turning point in this election that no supporters of Obama care to talk about including Chuck Todd and his co-writers.

TNSEVOL -- To add to your thoughts:

Yesterday, in an article penned by the president of the Club for Growth, the guy basically said it's a mixed bag with Romney. "People don't really know with him."

That's a "free market" conservative speaking. Ha. Very telling.

Spanky,

And what does he tell Univision is his biggest failure? Yep, immigration.

Obama speaking to Spanish-language TV network Univision.

You keep reminding me my biggest failure is we haven't gotten comprehensive immigration reform done. That's why he needs a second term.

You would think it would be Jobs, or maybe foreign policy, maybe he spoke to soon.

We should take nothing for granted here. Complacency will "bluejohn" the milk every time. Our greatest efforts must be the re-election of our President, and the purging of the political poison of congressional republicanism. Anything less is as futile as planting our corn under the edges of crows roosts.

Romney is twenty something points behind Obama in Massachusetts. Why so much in Romney "home" state? because the residents of Massachusetts know Romney best.

"This is hard work!" Ann Romney

6:00am- Ann is awakened from her suite at the Ritz Carlton in Chicago by a phone call from a Romney staffer. "Your hair appointment is waiting," the staffer coos in a soft, not too harsh voice. "We're sending up breakfast for you. Is eggs Benedict OK?" We've got flight to DesMoines at 9:30am. The limo will be out front, but we'll send someone up for you before that."

6:15am- Ann Romney chows down on the eggs Benedict, fresh fruit and toast, while her appointments secretary goes over the coming days schedule. An hour flight to DesMoines aboard one of the campaign's private jets. No airport security, no baggage check, waiting limos to whisk you away from all that airport riff-raff. Ann cracks a smile just thinking about all "you other people" waiting in those long lines. Ann dabs the last remnants of egg off her face and pops into the shower, a six head affair with steam, and big thick towels that caress her skin.

At 7:00am Ann jumps into the chair for her hair appointment. The Hispanic woman quickly combs her long blond locks and then adds a few curlers. Another black woman is working her cuticles, painting each nail a bright cherry red. Ann sighs as the weight of the campaign comes back into focus. Her attention turns back to the women that attend to her. They are good at what they do, she thinks. And fast. In just 17 minutes, she's good to go. She thanks them, but they don't appear to speak much English and just smile and back away. One of four personal assistants has picked out a freshly laundered blue jump suit for Ann that day. They assist in dressing her, then hand her the appropriate shoes. At 7:30am, she's out the door, followed by a gaggle of followers, carrying her luggage, purse, cell phone, Blackberry, and the speech she will deliver in Des Moines.

7:45am- The motorcade of 3 limos pulls into Meigs Field in Chicago. The sleek private plane is waiting, engine already running, as Ann glides out the passenger side of the back seat and onto the tarmack. She waves to a small crowd of airport employees, and a group of air travelers enviously watching her out the large terminal window as she disappears into the lush leather interior of the twelve seat jet airplane, with a small couch, and eating area. "This IS work", she thinks to herself as she reclines her seat, preparing for the take off. She stretches out, feeling just a little bit sorry for all those poor saps flying "commercial".

By 9:00am the plane has landed. Ann's had a 10 minute briefing on what to expect in Des Moines, along with five minutes on the local dignitaries that she'll be expected to glad hand. Her mind briefly drifts to her vacation home in the Cayman Islands. Oh, how she wishes she were there now! Ann leaves the luxury of the private jet and sits into yet another limo. They proceed to the Des Moines fairgrounds, where an anxious group of supporters has been promised. On the way, the motorcade comes behind a woman driving an older green minivan with some rust. She's blocking the way, and Ann asks why the police escorts haven't pulled the van over just as they do. As Ann's limo passes by, she sees the mother with four children in the van. Probably a car pool mom headed to school, Ann surmises. The woman clearly must be younger than Ann, but looks weary, tired, and disheveled. Her hair has quickly been thrown into a pony tail, and she's wearing a tired looking old jump suit. The motorcade speeds on by.

At 9:30am the limo pulls into the Iowa fairgrounds. A large, enthusiastic crowd has been primed for the event. They strain to see Ann through the darkly tinted windows. Everyone has newly printed signs and they're chanting "Ann! Ann! Ann!". They look so boring, Ann thinks. As the door to the limo opens, one of Ann's personal assistants, the one with the Blackberry, tells Ann that there's been a change of plans. They'll need to wrap things up here within an hour, and head to Denver, for a late luncheon with some big contributors. Ann's eyes narrow a bit indicating her displeasure. "Mitt told me that they were only going to use me sparingly," she says. "I'm not used to this. I'm just a stay at home mom after all."

^

Another Kool Aid Drinker...

First Read and NBC....this is your headline story today?? Really??

Our president and his administration lied to cover up his complete failure to protect our diplomats around the world and you aren't running a story on that?

Susan Rice, our UN ambassador, stated without question that the attack on our Libyan ambassador was spur of the moment and part of a demonstration about a movie. Obama, Jay Carney and Hillary all said the same thing for a week and a half. Then yesterday, they finally admitted it was an attack of terrorism....but then, a few hours later, Obama in an Telemundo interview went back to the story that it was part of a protest about a movie.

Obama, and Hillary, and this admistration had warnings for days that an attack was coming. They should have known that 9/11 would be a spark in the middle east, and they should have known about the trailer for this accused film that has been out for months.

He is so busy campaigning and neglecting his job, that he has missed more than 50% of his security breifings. He is complicit and guilty of not protecting our citizens across the world. His following defense of muslim extremists and implied apologies are sickening and weak.

He doesn't know what the debt is and stated "it doesn't matter for now"....are you kidding?

His attorney general should have been removed from office years ago.

This is the worst president we've ever had, and the most dangerous....and you idiots at First Read continue to find a way to support this?

ROBMEHOOD is running around like a Chicken with it's head cut off, he's starting to worry Voters !!!

Brian,

Gas prices decreased in 2008 due to the worldwide financial collapse NOT tapping the reserves.

Brianb,

We do believe! Just thought you would like to know as more and more voters don't believe in foot in the mouth, for the fat cats, Mitt! Can you imagine what he would do when speaking to leaders from other countries if his foot were in his mouth as president. I don't think we will have to worry about that at the repsent time, unless things change, God forbid!

Seems like a lot right wingers are getting their "NEWS" from Fox today. They can't comprehend that some things take time to sort out. Fox just spins with commentators.

Dennis, if they elect Romney, they will to the same thing to get gas back to $2/gallon. In fact, that might be Willard's new campaign slogan "elect me, I will bring back $2 gas byh tanking the global economy!"

I don't see the early voting in Idaho or South Dakota having much if any effect since they are both red states, but the rest of the early voting and absentee voting could be enough to hurt Romney in a really close race. It seems the GOP strategy of the ad blitz at the end didn't think the race might be this tight to consider the effect of early and absentee voting before that blitz.

btw, here are some items from The Onion that I thought were really funny. Enjoy...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-apologizes-to-nations-150-million-starving,29603/

http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-just-saying-he-grew-up-poor-in-memphis-now,29571/

Dennis,

Where are your facts supporting your assumption? Kinda need those facts for ANYONE to believe you. I know that is a foreign concept to you Obama people.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Gas prices decreased in 2008 due to the worldwide financial collapse NOT tapping the reserves.

global financial collapse AND global credit crisis. not much to do with the reserves.

Nazarite, it might help if you post before you start drinking.

Romney, the least interesting man in the world.

"Stay boring my friends."

Bayllie said: Romney is twenty something points behind Obama in Massachusetts. Why so much in Romney "home" state? because the residents of Massachusetts know Romney best.

It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that those in Massachusetts are extreme liberals and have drank so much Obama Kool-Aid they are drunk in progressivism... I know plenty of people in Mass and each one is an extreme liberal. Besides, Romney knows that Obama already carries that liberal state. One other thing... if the people in Massachusetts could keep on voting into the Senate a known murderer, what makes you think they would ever vote for a conservative?

The Ol Mitttster has quite the identity crisis. Rove tells him to be this person, Norquist tell him to be this person, 17 of 24 of his advisers tell him no..be this person, the Billionaires who donate millions , tell him to be this person, and then you have Ann, who tells him to be this person picking out shirts from Costco everyday trying to make Mittster the everyman persona! He is not a man..he is the shadow of who tells him who to be today. He does not know who he is other than he is beyond rich, and is not satisfied until he takes away all the money from everyone else, starting with the middle class and poor, his easy targets.

Well all you righties must feel pretty bad about yourselves the way old Mittster is calling 1/2 the nation freeloaders etc. Doesn't give a Patoot about you because you might not be paying income taxes. Mitt wants to kill your Social Security, your Medicare, your Medicaid, and your Post Office! Yikes Christmas cards and cookies coming via fed ex or not at all because you won't have any local delivery?....On top of that the ol Mittster wants to deduct you prancing dancing supporters as a tax write off like his prancing ponies!

So why not come down to the Chatterbox cafe tonight and have a big piece of BeBop a Rebop rhubarb pie?

Wouldn't this be a great time for a piece of rhubarb pie? Yes, nothing gets the taste of shame and humiliation out of your mouth quite like Be Bop a ReBop Rhubarb pie!

i have not read all of the above but was amused at the hate and derision directed at mrs. romney from the same lefty regulars. how many of you remember feeling the same things when this former first lady lashed out:

"First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday launched a vigorous counterattack on behalf of her husband's beleaguered presidency, declaring that the president is the victim of a "politically motivated" prosecutor allied with a "vast right-wing conspiracy."

lewinsky is coming out with a book soon. i will be interested to see how our tolerant and compassionate posters here will treat her.

it is interesting that the left clings to bill -- guilty of sex with an office intern in the oval office and disbarred as a lawyer.

Brian,

The polls are a joke. Look at the Cruz win in Texas. Polls had him down double digits the night before the election, and he was by double digits... Also take account of who is reporting these "non partisan" polls.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio said:

Brian,

Gas prices decreased in 2008 due to the worldwide financial collapse NOT tapping the reserves.

Dennis, this is how much you know... we never did tap into the reserves. It wasn't necessary. After the announcement was made, within a week, prices started to drop.

I realize you don't like to credit Bush with anything, but it was his announcement that started the ball rolling on falling gas prices... Please stop trying to revise history into some liberal dream-child.

Queen Ann reminds me of Reagans wife in her heyday as the out-of-touch first lady and elitist

Top O' the morning all,

I hope everyone has their seatbelts buckled for some tax increases coming January 1st. For all the libs that are in denial see for yourselves:

http://www.atr.org/days-taxmageddon-a7203

the Romneys. They aren't wise. They are ambitious, reckless, narrow minded, out of touch, selfish, entitled, arrogant, uncaring, and a million other adjectives, but their biggest problem is that they aren't smart.

Best description of the Romney and his wife I've heard yet! Kudos!

NON Socialist/Marxist said:

Brian,

The polls are a joke. Look at the Cruz win in Texas. Polls had him down double digits the night before the election, and he was by double digits... Also take account of who is reporting these "non partisan" polls.

You don't have to convince me. I just love throwing the polls back into liberals faces because they always brag on them when Obama appears 1 point in the lead.

It is extremely heartwarming to know the liberals would bet their lives on polls... Then when the polls fail them, they try to claim some sort of fraud.... Well if they would ever think the problem through, they would find that most polls are frauds themselves.

NON,

(11/12/2008) Oil prices fell to their lowest level in 20 months despite efforts by the OPEC cartel to stem the slide, as weak economic growth continued to reduce consumption around the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/business/worldbusiness/12oil.html?_r=1

Brianb1956

But wait, I was told by all the liberals there is no fraud in elections.... That is why we don't need voter ID laws...

What am I missing?

The web of lies eventually raps progressives up and suffocates them out. This is just another clear example.

Nice try MSNBC.....your numbers aren't what I see or any other unbiased poll show:

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

Obama
47%
-1

Romney
47%
+1

7-day rolling average

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Just like your Wisconsin numbers that showed Walker getting beat.....guess what.....he won in a freaking LANDSLIDE.

The above poll is not good news for Obama. People are starting to realize that the 1% are still the 1%, and 23 million of the 99% are unemployed. Not to mention the 5.9T debt Obama racked up in less than 4 years.

Those are his factual numbers. Not opinions. HASTA LA VISTA OBAMA.

Brianb -- You wrote:

I realize you don't like to credit Bush with anything

Au contraire. There is much to credit BUSH with. Overseeing the crash of our financial institutions and housing. Putting us in two wars. Raising the debt and deficit. Need I say more?

Laker Steve -- That post seems a bit desperate.

Dennis,

Is your next link going to come from MSNBC, or maybe Politico, or possibly from some direct DNC publication???

Sorry your liberal tunnel vision keeps you from seeing the facts. The US threat of becoming energy independent is what leads to lower prices. That is why Gas is so expensive right now.

Dont_carry_it_all

Laker Steve -- That post seems a bit desperate.

Desperate.....that's all you got? Yeah, I guess there's no arguing the facts.

Brianb1956

It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that those in Massachusetts are extreme liberals and have drank so much Obama Kool-Aid they are drunk in progressivism...

no it couldn't and it didn't because the same Massachusetts voters elected, guess who?,

Residents of Mass gave ROMNEY a job and he f*cked it up. On top of that they also elected:

Sen. Scott Brown (R - MA)

Gov. Jane Swift (R)

Gov. Paul Cellucci (R)

Gov. William Weld (R)

You see Brianb, out of 5 last governors, 4 were Republicans so you Kool-Aid claim is totally useless.

People of Mass just don't like Romney because he used them, didn't care about them, and did a bad job as the governor.

Laker Steve

Nice try MSNBC.....your numbers aren't what I see or any other unbiased poll show:

hahaha, your poll is from 9/17-19, and it doesn't reflect the 47% of Americans are moochers Romney comment.

Dont_carry_it_all said:

Seems like a lot right wingers are getting their "NEWS" from Fox today. They can't comprehend that some things take time to sort out. Fox just spins with commentators.

Since you seem to be up on what conservative posters are posting about and what's on Fox news, you must be watching Fox news to legitimately make this comparison. Or are you just making things up because you want to appear like you know what you are talking about... when in reality, you don't.

What is is DCIA? Truth!

sreeeeminglib

Brianb you may want to explain to your fellow wing nut the meaning of a melt down

Freekend screeeeeeeeming lib. Is there any other kind of lib?

I understand exactly what melt down means. The jest was the result of a post from Ginger and SS to silence another poster for commenting on finding a rope to hang himself.

In case you did not know I'm not a republican, I was a Democrat that turned Independent resently.

Care to explain why you think I jumped the party?

A Wall Street slicker born with a silver spoon in his mouth losing to a black guy... there is hope for America yet!

@Don't— carry— it— all#1.116: The writer you quote is indeed right. How could anyone know Romney? The man doesn't know Himself. While He is as scattered as bird turds, He distributes his mess from a republican sack. That's enough for most Americans. The majority of people are quite tired of the republican prescribed daily dose of castor oil, especially, when none but the republicans were constipated in the first place. As always, my best regards to you.

billybob..............one difference Ann Romney is not First Lady .... and for that we hope she never will be as she doesn't appear to do well under pressure.

THE REAL SLIM MITTZY

May I have your attention please?

May I have your attention please?

Will the real slim Mittzy, please stand up?

I repeat, will the real Slim Mittzy, please stand up?

We’re gonna have a problem here.

Y’all act like you never seen a Mormon before.

Jaws all on the floor, while I’m strappin’ the dog to car.

Gonna’ give it a ride like it never had before.

When I stop for gas, I’ll be washing poop off the door.

It’s the return of the…Oh, wait, no way, you’re kidding,

Rove didn’t just say what I think he did, did he?

If Todd Akins go missing…it wasn’t me or Mittzy.

Todd Akins dead, he’s polling in the basement.

I only get video on my crazy statements.

Feminist women love them some Mittzy

Mittzy gonna’ keep their vaginas from bein’ busy.

Strutting around thinkin’ he done made the cut,

Hatin’ almost half the people, he must be a nut,

But it’s prolly no worse than what he done in the boardroom.

Mittzy would like to get on T.V. and cut loose,

Go rogue like sister Sarah and hump a dead moose.

If he lucky he might just get a little kiss.

Mittzy treatin’ all the ladies just like little kids,

Expectin’ them not to know where their clitoris is,

Of course, they gonna self abort that rapist jizz.

If they come to term, well that’s O.K.

They got keys to the orphanage, don’t they?

Everybody knows corporations are mammals, sometimes cannibals.

Cut all the jobs, take the cash, understandable.

And while I’m humpin’ Cayman statement envelopes,

I’ll make damn sure that two men can’t elope.

So if you feel like I feel, I got the antidote.

B!tches go ahead and ditch your birth control, sing the chorus and it goes,

‘Cause I’m Slim Mittzy, yes I’m the real Mittzy.

All the other candidates are just irritating.

So won’t the real Slim Mittzy, please stand up?

Please stand up, please stand up.

Obama’s got the deets to sell his record.

Well I don’t, so screw him and screw you too.

You think I give a damn about Obammy.

I know you dependent victims can’t even stand me.

“But Mittzy, if you win won’t it be weird?”

Why? After all the lies it took to get me here?

So you can sit me next to Boehner’s tears?

Sh!t, Anthony Kennedy better switch me chairs.

So I can sit next to Scalia and Clarence Thomas,

Talk about Sotomayor’s pubic hair.

Though she might be the one to disqualify me.

And show the whole world Mittzy insanity.

I’m sick of you forty seven percent, you annoy me.

You’re not gonna’ be the one’s to destroy me.

‘Cause there’s a million of us just like me.

Who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me

And just might be programmed robotically.

‘Cause I’m Slim Mittzy, yes I’m the real Mittzy.

All the other candidates are just irritating.

So won’t the real Slim Mittzy, please stand up?

Please stand up, please stand up.

I’m like a head trip to listen to, ’cause I’m only givin’ you

Things to joke about with your friends inside your living room.

Tellin’ lies because I got the balls to say it.

In front of you all, not afraid to be false and sugar coat it all.

I just get on the mic and drip it.

Whether you like it or not, won’t quit it.

Best of all the Teapublicans out there,

And you wonder why they eat up my lies like valium.

Its funny, cause at the rate I’m going November will hurt me,

I’ll be flyin’ to the Caymans’ cause money want desert me.

Pinchin’ accountants asses because they can’t hurt me.

While I’m pinchin’ you know the interest is workin’.

Inside every Teapublican, Slim Mittzy be lurkin’.

Lookin’ down on the middle class, saying racist things.

Or in the car elevator, escalating.

Screaming, “I don’t give a f#ck!”

With the windows down and the system up.

So will the real Slim Mittzy please stand up?

Giving America the finger on each hand up.

Outta my mind and outta’ control.

One more time; How does it go?

‘Cause I’m Slim Mittzy, yes I’m the real Mittzy.

The President just be irritating.

So won’t the real Mittzy, please stand up?

Please stand up, please stand up.

(apologies to Eminem et.al.)

I love seeing libs rant and rave about Romney not caring about them. And you think Obama does? He cares about getting votes and staying in power, period. He does not give a sh-t about anyone except himself. Barry is the most arrogant president we have ever had.

^

Perfect example of a liberal... Thanks for that Fore!

Brianb -- I watch very little TV. NEVER EVER watch Fox. Most people know what Fox is saying because the righties come here and REPEAT what the commentators are saying. It's so obvious Brianb one doesn't have to watch to understand where the right gets this crap.

Mac -- When the right start questioning where he stands you know he's struggling. Regards friend!

So nice to see that MSN now considers the riots, arson, and terrorist murders a thing of the past. Oh well...another foreign policy triumph for the 'Obama-Fluke' ticket !!!

Interesting that while White House spokesman Jay Carney finally turned honest yesterday and did exactly state that terrorists burned our embassy and murdered four Americans...the President of the United States spent his time during a televised interview droning on about how the fuzzy 13 minute YouTube clip was the sole reason our embassies were attacked and burned.

He should have instructed his spokesman to continue lying to us...just like he is lying to us.

It is funny to read the comments of libertarded living in fantasy and getting orgasm with polls coming from NBCDNC. What a joke.

Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Mitt Romney has now taken the lead in the swing state of New Hampshire.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in New Hampshire shows Romney with 48% support to President Obama’s 45%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided. Let see who is right.

billybob..........Ann is quite the character, she reminds me of the "queen of hearts" cartoon character from the old Disney cartoon movie, "Alice in Wonderland." If Ann is not being adored by the reporter and is actually asked a question, she glares, she glowers, she opens the eyes wide with the look of "how dare you speak to me" attitude. Ann personifies the "wicked witch" in every movie, cartoon or story written because of her answers and reactions to anyone who is not pandering to her! When Ann appears on stage with Mitt she usually wears the most god awful bright clothes to take away focus on Mittster and put the focus on her. I remember a dress she wore the other day, looked like a tie dye replica of a carpet from a college party after 4 a.m. I am going to miss her as a target after Romney loses the elections!

Let's see Romney is a lying corporate tool and a dolt with the same game plan that destroyed America via Reagan's policies. Is it any wonder his numbers are tanking.

Say any of you remember that Obama add where he blamed Bush for high gas prices?

The GOP is the oil industry what's your point?

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Gas prices were at an all-time high in 2008, the highest ever.

I guess you also forgot to mention that in 2008 we also saw the lowest gas prices since 2003/4. When President Obama took office, prices were about $1.70 and now they are $3.87.

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

bayllie said:

Brianb1956

It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that those in Massachusetts are extreme liberals and have drank so much Obama Kool-Aid they are drunk in progressivism...

no it couldn't and it didn't because the same Massachusetts voters elected, guess who?,

Residents of Mass gave ROMNEY a job and he f*cked it up. On top of that they also elected:

Sen. Scott Brown (R - MA)

Gov. Jane Swift (R)

Gov. Paul Cellucci (R)

Gov. William Weld (R)

You see Brianb, out of 5 last governors, 4 were Republicans so you Kool-Aid claim is totally useless.

People of Mass just don't like Romney because he used them, didn't care about them, and did a bad job as the governor.

Bayllie why don't you just admit you don't know much about politics. We will accept it if you just said it. Many liberal states elect republican governors over and over again... Look it up. When it comes to national elections, they stick to their liberal roots.

I can't comment on what Romney did as governor... I wasn't there. You want to know what? I don't care either. There are a lot of reasons a governor does the things he does... I don't have the time to go back and try to microview his actions... I can speculate that his legislative body was mostly liberal and he was up against a group of people fundamentally opposed to him... but since I know most liberals try to skew their version of events into that which supports their view... I will only say that you are doing the same thing along with the liberals in that state that support Obama and would to their dying breath... remember it has shifted to national politics... and clearly the people in Mass would demonize Romney at this point no matter what good came out of his governorship.

Skip N, terrific post.

James, Joe#s--try keeping up with FR which reported that information already.

thetotas, try comprehending the Obama quote you posted, "you (meaning Latinos) keep reminding me my biggest failure is we haven't gotten comprehensive immigration reform done." That was not President Obama claiming it as his biggest failure but rather acknowledging that, to Latinos, it is his biggest failure.

Germany, with its austerity program for Europe, saw only .3% growth in 2nd quarter compared to US 1.9% growth in 2nd quarter. I guess austerity doesn't work with high unemployment. American voters are beginning to agree as Romney has now lost his advantage on economy according to polls. More for the rich will not improve our economy either Mitt. Higher wages for workers will work though.

Send the T-Party Republican House and Senate home so they can take an economics course.

OBAMA 2012

Senate Democrats 2012

House Democrats 2012

Fore...

Stick to standard prose...poetically speaking, you have no game.

Can someone tell me what is a FREE ENTITLEMENT, I know we have 7% on Welfare , Who are the other 40%? Are they the Senior Citizens who have paid into the Social Security INSURANCE part of the 40% are they the Military who fight and die for YOUR FREEDOM part of the 40% are they the struggling college STUDENTS who have a part time job part of the 40% Is it my 2 young kids (12 and 13) part of the 40% who dont pay Federal Taxes? Is it Mitt Romney who has not paid ant taxes in 2008, 2009, 2010,? I pay 22k in federal taxes, about 28% of my money. I have no problem being a good AMERICAN for my kids,your kids,My Military Your Military, My Senior mom and Your Senior Mom and Your College Kids because 1 day Hopefully my Kids will go to College. Why is it OK for Mittens and the top 1% not pay there Fair Share? are They and You REALLY THAT UN AMERICAN?

MEDICAL INSURANCE

SOCIAL SECURITY INSURANCE

DISABILITY INSURANCE

UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE

They are not Freebies They are Insurances That I and you all pay into

Why should we give them up so Romney and the 1%ers get more Tax Breaks, They have more than they and there children can ever use, it makes no sense for us to suffer so they can put more $$ in the Cayman Islands If Robme/Lyin Ryan get into office They will add an additional 2 TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT YEARLY so they can give tax breaks for the WEALTHY

Dont_carry_it_all said:

Brianb -- I watch very little TV. NEVER EVER watch Fox. Most people know what Fox is saying because the righties come here and REPEAT what the commentators are saying. It's so obvious Brianb one doesn't have to watch to understand where the right gets this crap.

So what you are saying is you are relying on 3rd hand information to make your conclusions. That's real intelligent. You base your view on what someone said about what someone else said. You don't have any first hand information so you boldly make your claim based on something you really know nothing about. I'd say your credibility just dropped to the bottom of the lake. Thank you for at least being honest.

Laker Steve you said: Those are his factual numbers. Not opinions.

But isn't it the Romney campaign which said "We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers."

Well, Romney has recently decided that his campaign is about change. I wonder, in the next several weeks will he be coming out in favor of Universal Health Care, in favor of increasing taxes, in favor of a woman deciding for herself what to do with her body ?

With Mitt Romney, you better believe he can change....

again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

Brianb1956

we never did tap into the reserves. It wasn't necessary. After the announcement was made, within a week, prices started to drop.

hahahhahahahahahahahahaha this is the funniest comment of the week.

Everyone listen! According to Brianb, Bush announced tapping into reserves and MAGICALLY gas prices go down.

Wow, BrianB you are more hopeless than I thought!

Brian B

Romney's down 28% in Massachusetts while Scott Brown is only down 3-5%. Why the difference? I believe it has more to say about Romney running from his record in Massachusetts, but it also must reflect dissatisfaction for the job he did as Governor. From what I understand about it, Romney didn't even want to speak to Democratic legislators while he was Governor. Not exactly what I'd call a bipartisan spirit of cooperation.

Romney shakes his etch-a-sketch and what comes out is a man who will LIE about anything to be President.

dirp

Laker Steve you said: Those are his factual numbers. Not opinions.

But isn't it the Romney campaign which said "We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers."

Well, Romney has recently decided that his campaign is about change. I wonder, in the next several weeks will he be coming out in favor of Universal Health Care, in favor of increasing taxes, in favor of a woman deciding for herself what to do with her body ?

With Mitt Romney, you better believe he can change....

again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

Obama's campaign is being run on more hopey-changey BS. He sure can't run on his record!

He still doesn't have a plan.....at least nothing was even remotely evident at his Convention. Had Clinton not been there, it would have been a real snoozefest.

Romney at least has outlined a job creation plan. What is Obama's? (((crickets)))

bayllie wrote:

bayllie

Brianb1956

we never did tap into the reserves. It wasn't necessary. After the announcement was made, within a week, prices started to drop.

hahahhahahahahahahahahaha this is the funniest comment of the week.

Everyone listen! According to Brianb, Bush announced tapping into reserves and MAGICALLY gas prices go down.

Wow, BrianB you are more hopeless than I thought!

Talk about hopeless. It becomes more and more clear that so many liberals just don't understand economics what so ever. The point and FACT that is getting made here bayllie boy is that when OPEC and other nations see their biggest market, the US, threatening to become oil independent, they drop their pants to keep our business. What about that do you not understand.

HOPELESS

Article says Romney is behind because of flubs. Is it a flub when you're stating truly what you believe?

Romney is behind because more people are getting to know him.

brianb,

Bayllie why don't you just admit you don't know much about politics. We will accept it if you just said it. Many liberal states elect republican governors over and over again... Look it up

what is your point exactly? That Mass is too liberal to vote for Romney? Because they already voted for Romney.

you just need to admit to yourself that after giving Romney a chance, Mass resident don't think he deserves another one.

shaak322

Brian B

Romney's down 28% in Massachusetts while Scott Brown is only down 3-5%. Why the difference? I believe it has more to say about Romney running from his record in Massachusetts, but it also must reflect dissatisfaction for the job he did as Governor. From what I understand about it, Romney didn't even want to speak to Democratic legislators while he was Governor. Not exactly what I'd call a bipartisan spirit of cooperation.

This is comical. Romney didn't rack up 23 million unemployed and 5.9T (plus 14B from GM as of today) in debt.

Obama's best attempts at anything productive resulted in ACORN & Solyndra.

....and Romney will have plenty more opportunities to stick his gilded foot in his mouth, between now & Nov 6.

Michelle Obama hates Oprah?

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/michelle-obama-and-oprah-winfrey-hate-each-other

The same Obama supporters (minus one for now) always here, always saying exactly the same thing and never paying attention to the real state of affairs in this country. Deny, deflect, ignore and blather, meanwhile the dollar is tanking, the unemployment numbers are dreadful, the Fed is working overtime to devalue the dollar to prop up a failing EU, welfare and foodstamps at record highs and all they know is to re-elect the 'celebrity' in office. They obviously don't care that he doesn't have a clue, his foreign policy is in flames and the only reason he's where he's at now is because the media is propping him up.

Not one Obama supporteron this thread has expressed ANY outrage at what happened in Bengazhi, they don't care, all they want is their 'free' stash and to hell with how the rest of the country is doing. An American Ambassador's body being drug through the streets and all the media does is lie to protect Obama, beyond pathetic and extremely dangerous to boot. Sorry, when the media is complicit in coverups you have a failed system. Covering up for Obama so that he may continue to drag this country downhill so that his supporters get their freebies, what is wrong with you people?

Morgs74: "Polls schmolls"

Bitter much?

Funny -- when the Polls favor the Right-Wing whackos, you people want to write the pollsters into the Holy BuyBull as your new Savior.

I see in a recent inverview obama still claims the middle east riots were a spontaneous reaction to a stupid 15 minute youtube video. lol

That's the danger of a habitual liar, he actually believes his own lies!

Obama admits to Hispanics that he has failed them, asks for forgiveness. He's pretty good about apologizing!

Christine-1902719

....and Romney will have plenty more opportunities to stick his gilded foot in his mouth, between now & Nov 6.

And you think Obama will be joe cool without his teleprompter? We have all seen what he does off script "you didn't build that".

You think the univision interview blasting Obama for failed promises was brutal? He will have real interviews from here on out to try and get his message out, not radio stations asking him what his favorite color is, and not Letterman asking what the national debt is, even though he didn't know that either.

The next few weeks will be quite telling for Obama, and how he has no record to run on. Only more Hope and change that will never happen.

LakerSteve,

You did not answer the question I posed. No answer for why Mitt is down 28% in Massachusetts (where people elected him Governor just 10 years ago) and Scott Brown down only 3-5%.

Instead, you bring up the Bush economy that Obama has been busily fixing without Republican help.

The Republicans built that Great Recession, but they just try to shift the blame to Obama. More Americans every day are realizing all Republicans have to offer is LIES and more LIES.

OBAMA 2012 .... for America's Future

Brianb -- I stick by my observation and conclusion.

Have a good weekend Brian.

Laker Steve -- You told the same WHOPPER all week. Unemployment stands 12.5 million. Not 23 million.

 THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- AUGUST 2012

Household Survey Data

The unemployment rate edged down in August to 8.1 percent. Since the beginning of
this year, the rate has held in a narrow range of 8.1 to 8.3 percent. The number of
unemployed persons, at 12.5 million, was little changed in August. (See table A-1.)
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

That's a FACT.

Frogmorton!

Morgs74: "Polls schmolls"

Bitter much?

Funny -- when the Polls favor the Right-Wing whackos, you people want to write the pollsters into the Holy BuyBull as your new Savior.

Funny. Because I sure don't see the polls favoring Obama.

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

Obama
47%
-1

Romney
47%
+1

7-day rolling average

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

ROBMEHOOD'S bad stretch puts a dent in his head, thanks CARTER for showing what Romney is all about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

be gentle Steve, we don't want to see them crying...

bayllie

Brianb1956

we never did tap into the reserves. It wasn't necessary. After the announcement was made, within a week, prices started to drop.

hahahhahahahahahahahahaha this is the funniest comment of the week.

Everyone listen! According to Brianb, Bush announced tapping into reserves and MAGICALLY gas prices go down.

Wow, BrianB you are more hopeless than I thought!

I can't post links to national new stories, but all you need to do is a google search to find out the reporting of it at the time. Since you are a rabid Bush hater, it is natural for you to make a joke out of what is actual history. Doesn't surprise me in the least. Those who are completely ignorant ignore history and actual events to support their ideology.

Subj: His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney

Lest you have any qualms about voting for Mitt Romney and are thinking of sitting out this election, read this... and forward to all concerned Americans that you know. This was written by a journalist for the Florida Times Union Newspaper.

His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney

He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.

His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of

the State of Michigan

He was raised in Bloomfield Hills , Michigan

He is Married to Ann Romney since 1969;

they five children.

Education:

B.A. from Brigham Young University,

J.D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University

Religion:

Mormon - The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints

Working Background:

After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon

missionary.

After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law

School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar exam, but

never worked as an attorney.

In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment

firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States .

In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts

and lost to Ted Kennedy.

He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts

where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.

Some Interesting Facts about Romney:

Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in

Massachusetts, turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores

employing 90,000 people.

Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business

miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy,

Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group,

Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.

He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's

gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

He was an unpaid intern in his dad's governor's office for eight

years.

He was an unpaid bishop and stake president of his church for

ten years.

He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee

for three years.

He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts

for four years.

He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our

country but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money,

service and time than most men.

And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost

19% of his income....

Just for comparison purposes, Obama gave 1%

and

Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.

Mitt Romney is Trustworthy:

He will show us his birth certificate

He will show us his high school and college transcripts.

He will show us his social security card.

He will show us his law degree.

He will show us his draft notice.

He will show us his medical records.

He will show us his income tax records.

He will show us he has nothing to hide.

Mitt Romney's background, experience and trustworthiness show

him to be a great leader and an excellent citizen for President of the

United States.

You may think that Romney may not be the best representative the

Republicans could have selected. At least I know what religion he is,

and that he won't desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers, or

practice fiscal irresponsibility. I know he has the ability to turn this

financial debacle that the current regime has gotten us into.

We won't like all the things necessary to recover from this debt,

but someone with Romney's background can do it.

He never was a "Community Organizer", never took drugs or smoked

pot, never got drunk, did not associate with communists or terrorists,

nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the U.S.

Laker Steve - by all means don't reveal the fact that in August Obama was leading Gallop by 49% to Romney's 42%. Sounds to me like Obama is losing ground like a halftrack with a blown engine.

Dont_carry_it_all

23 million unemployed, or underemployed. This statistic DOES NOT COUNT people not looking for work, which is several million more.

You can try and play the numbers all you want, but the FACT is Obama has changed how the US government records unemployment to keep the numbers down. If we used the same process Bush used unemployment would be around 12%.

Try and spin all you want...

NON Socialist/Marxist

Talk about hopeless. It becomes more and more clear that so many liberals just don't understand economics what so ever

very simple, show me proof that gas prices are influenced whitin 1 week just by TALKING about tapping into reserves

FACT: Gas Prices Plummeted In Late 2008 Due To Massive Recession, Not Bush Policy

MYTH: Conservative Media Claim Prices Dropped In Late 2008 Because Bush Lifted Offshore Drilling Moratorium.

Bush's Action Was Symbolic, Did Not Translate To Lower Prices. In July 2008, at a time of record high gasoline prices, President Bush lifted the executive offshore drilling moratorium first instituted by his father. Bush used the announcement to pressure the Democratic-controlled Congress to lift its own long-standing ban on offshore drilling. As Reuters reported at the time, the action was "a largely symbolic bid unlikely to have any short-term impact on high gasoline costs." The article noted that, "The U.S. Energy Department's forecasting arm has said opening the Pacific, Atlantic and eastern Gulf of Mexico regions to drilling 'would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030.'" [Reuters, 7/14/08]

Energy Experts Say This Claim Is "Nonsense," And "Not Correct." Joseph M. Dukert, senior associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and former president of the U.S. Association for Energy Economics said the claim that Bush's announcement caused the drop in prices is "nonsense" and "akin to the rooster's boast that his crowing brought the sun up." Michael Canes, former Chief Economist of the American Petroleum Institute, also said the claim is "not correct in my view," noting that "Coincidence is not causation, and in this instance I'd say that the two events - the lifting of the moratoria and the ensuing reduction in oil prices - are much more in the coincidence realm than one of causation."

Most oil market experts believe that the rapid and sustained reduction in oil prices that began in 2008 and extended beyond occurred because the world economy began to slow down and ultimately to experience a deep recession. This is one way to reduce oil prices, but not a very attractive one. [Media Matters, 3/8/11]

Wash. Post In Feb. 2009: "The Overwhelming Cause Of The Collapse In Oil Prices Has Been The Faltering World Economy." A February 2009 Washington Post article reported that "The overwhelming cause of the collapse in oil prices has been the faltering world economy, which has fueled the drop in consumption. Oil use in China, which most forecasters a year ago assumed would be the engine for increasing global demand, has screeched to a halt." [Washington Post, 2/20/09]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/04/12/myths-and-facts-about-oil-and-gasoline/184527#recession

your idiotic claim has been debunked by experts so just because Fox News says it, it doesn't make it a FACT.

Non -- Underemployed is NOT UNEMPLOYED. There is a difference. The underemployed are the result of decades of outsourcing and stagnant wages, a decline decades in the making. Right to work laws add to that problem.

That's the danger of a habitual liar, he actually believes his own lies

This not only applies to our liar in chief but the old liberal media as well! Their blatant love affair with oblunder frequently leads to ignoring the truth! I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said:

DON'T BELIEVE THE LIBERAL MEDIA

on another note, is it reall true that carrot top (aka dumb fux, redwig, fisthead, etc) has been banned? Is so, my opinion of First Read has moved up a notch! I had figured carrot top was a shill for the marxists, lol!

Number of Americans on Food stamps under Clinton - 17 Million

Number of Americans on Food Stamps in 2010 (one year after Obama and Dems took over) - 41 million

Number of Americans on Food Stamps today - 47 million

It's amazing how the "progressive" liberals spin the facts. If you trust the MSNBC, the most liberal of all the media, than the election is over. Why even bother to go out and vote?

On the other hand, if you check the polls on Gallup, than the numbers are EVEN! 47% Obuma and 47% ROMNEY!!!!

So let's not count the chickens yet!

bayllie

Dude honestly... Your quoting Media Matters??? Washington Post??? Do you want me to come post stories from FOX news on here, because that would be the equivalent. Secondly anyone who quotes ANYTHING from media matters, which is funded by George Soros, as TRUTH.......really has some problems with reality.

When you can have a non biased discussion on economics, and supply and demand let me know. Until then keep reading Media Matters.... lol WOW!!!

Brian,

I have tracked every day the Gallup daily poll since July.

The best our President ever stood before 9/7/12 was 47 to Romney's 45.

His best was on 9/12/12 (convention bounce) at 50 to 44.

Lets not forget it was "W" that got us into this mess, the GOP & "W" did a good job destroying this Nation. Don't give the Keys back to these losers !!!!!!!!!!!!

Number of Americans on Food stamps under Clinton - 17 Million

Number of Americans on Food Stamps in 2010 (one year after Obama and Dems took over) - 41 million

Number of Americans on Food Stamps today - 47 million

@LogicRequired:

Look at the poverty rate in the USA, and then look at that number. Seems to line up pretty well to me.

Still waiting for trickle-down to work.

I can't post links to national new stories,

that's what happens when you use a rereg account

but all you need to do is a google search to find out the reporting of it at the time.

I have many times and the only FACTS I ever found is that gas prices are influenced by global supply/demand, global financial crisis, global economy... I have not found any credible evidence that states you can influence pricing just by talking about something.

Since you are a rabid Bush hater,

yes, I dislike anyone who lies and cheats to start a war and sends OTHER people's children to die.

Every 18 minutes a US vet commits suicide so yes, I really really don't like Bush

it is natural for you to make a joke out of what is actual history.

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Those who are completely ignorant ignore history and actual events to support their ideology.

PROOF PROOF PROOF

Dont_carry_it_all

Non -- Underemployed is NOT UNEMPLOYED. There is a difference. The underemployed are the result of decades of outsourcing and stagnant wages, a decline decades in the making. Right to work laws add to that problem.

Obviously there is a difference.... no one is disputing that. My point is that is where the 23 million number comes from, which is also how the Government reports it. Just like they do NOT include those who have dropped out of the jobs market since Obama took office.

Dont_carry_it_all said:

Brianb -- I stick by my observation and conclusion.

Have a good weekend Brian.

DCIA - If working is a good weekend... then I am up for a fantastic weekend. Feel free to stick to your observation and conclusion. Also feel free to stay with your viewpoint without direct information or knowledge. Can't bend a steel beam with your bare hands, so don't even make the attempt.

Why does the media pay so much attention to Romney's "flubs" and not to Obama's failures? Why do they not blast Obama for blaming every failure on Bush and the GOP?

bayllie

NON Socialist/Marxist

Talk about hopeless. It becomes more and more clear that so many liberals just don't understand economics what so ever

very simple, show me proof that gas prices are influenced whitin 1 week just by TALKING about tapping into reserves

FACT: Gas Prices Plummeted In Late 2008 Due To Massive Recession, Not Bush Policy

Opinions from a Liberal blog......real reliable, just like MSNBC's reporting opinions of the Wisconsin Governor race.....which Walker won in a landslide.

Try again.

DON'T BELIEVE THE LIBERAL MEDIA

People are starting to see NBC and others for what they really are, democrat campiagn workers.

Gallup is out this morning with a new poll that contains a damning indictment of the mainstream media. 60% of Americans, an all-time high, do not trust the mass media to accurately or fairly report the news.

NBC has been pushing this poll nonsense for a couple of weeks now trying to make it look like Obama is stretching his lead. In fact they are just upping the number of Democrats their polls. Different day, same propaganda.

A Marist Poll on Thursday found President Barack Obama with an astounding eight-point lead over Mitt Romney in Iowa, even as the RealClearPolitics average had the state tied and a Rasmussen Reports poll on Thursday found Romney leading by three points.

Marist says the breakdown of likely voters in its poll Iowa is 36% Democrat, 31% Republican, and 33% independent. Democrats only had a one-point advantage in 2008, when enthusiasm for Obama was at its peak, now they assume he will have a 5 point advantage.

Xabre

Still waiting for trickle-down to work.

It won't, as long as the Democrats have 2/3 or better of Washington.

Looks like Bush 1 and Bush 2 have something in common, they both love to increase the poverty rate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_poverty_rate_timeline.gif

P.S. Reagan's first term looks like no picnic either.

It won't, as long as the Democrats have 2/3 or better of Washington.

I fixed that for you.

Non --Retirements make up fifty percent of those that dropped out of the labor force according to WSJ.

The labor participation rate has been declining steadily since 2000.

Brianb-- Be grateful. Steel beam? Ha!

What is Amazing is the select few number of Naive Americans who have
beenConned/Fooled by the republicanCrimeCartelPropagandaMachine. Think about
it... These Very Well monied, SnakeOil Saleman, MittTaxPittanceRommel and his
SideKick, Eddie Munster, are The Elitist Thug's economic Hitters Who Caused This
Whole Disaster Starting with President Reagan and Most Assuredly Pronounced with
KingGeorge The VacuumBrained during his NOTORIOUSLY SHAMEFUL Shrubber Reign
2001- 2008. These two Amoral Politaphiles are into Contolling and Manipulating
America in their favor, ACTUALLY Stealing America's economic power. Research It:
These Republican 1-10% wealthy and corporate Thieves have OVER $20 Trillion
Dollars, Our Money Stolen From US with Phony Bank Fees and out and out Acoount Looting, Stashed in Overseas accounts in their names and registration numbered
foreign accounts. Money needed for rebuilding America NOT Bloating their elitist
"family wealth" for the future of their "Little Darlings" SUCH AS Rommels
$48,000,000 Malibu Mansion WITH an
InHouse Car Elevator for his son's
$180,000 Ferrari. Prez O is the ONLY Choice. These Elitist rich Thugs calling
themselves "republicans" belong in Prison NOT in Congress or The WhitHouse.Try
this one on for size: President Harry Truman in 1948: "The Republicans … will
try to make people believe that everything the Government has done for the
country is socialism. They will go to the people and say: "Did you see that
social security check you received the other day—you thought that was good for
you, didn't you? That's just too bad! That's nothing in the world but socialism.
Did you see that new flood control dam the Government is building over there for
the protection of your property? Sorry—that's awful socialism! That new hospital
that they are building is socialism. Price supports, more socialism for the
farmers! Minimum wage laws? Socialism for labor! Socialism is bad for you, my
friend. Everybody knows that. And here you are, with your new
car, and your
home, and better opportunities for the kids, and a television set—you are just
surrounded by socialism! Now the Republicans say, 'That's a terrible thing, my
friend, and the only way out of this sinkhole of socialism is to vote for the
Republican ticket.'" And, AND!, AND!!! that was 64 Years Ago!!!. The
republicanCrimeCartel is still doing the same exploitation of people THEY ARE
NOTORIUS FOR. BUT, according toKingGeorgeTheVacuumBrained, it is called "free
market" capitalism; with families in the streets and 25% Unemployment and worse
with MittTaxPittanceRommel and his buddy EddiMunster. Fellow and Sister
Americans: A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelSoldier, Rommel, is a vote
Against Yours and Your Family's Well Being. You Can Take That Advice To The
Bank. Rommel: "That 47% WHO depend on the government- I DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM. I care about the 1-10%Evil Rich and EVIL EVIL Corporate Rich B@$T@RD$ Like ME*ME* ME*ME!!! Sister and Brother Americans Rommel and EddiMunster ARE NOT "The Dynamic Duo" Without A Doubt THEY ARE the DISGUSTING Duo. At Election time Listen to that InnerVoice, You're Guardian Angel; Let's KEEP Prez O Around the WhiteHouse; otherwise "Those Two" and their Pals will "CLEAN HOUSE" With US Payin' The Freight.

I love reading all the ignorant comments... Mitt Romney is not smart, Romney only wants to screw others, Romney is responsible for thousands of Jobs lost (Bain Capital)

Mitt Romney finished top 5% of his class in Harvard Business while also simultaneously obtaining a law degree, being one of only a few people to double major at Harvard. Obama is a smart man but in terms of education he does not measure up to Romney.

Romney represents the interests of his donors, just as Obama. Obama's donors are unions while Romney's are corporations. Politicians are required to raise sums of cash from their constituents in order to win their race and enact policies their donors approve of by and large. Romney is not trying to screw the poor, he just is required to appeal to a higher income audience. Just politics, not a personal vendetta (unlike those calling Ann Romney Maria Anntoinette)

As for Bain Capital being "evil" and job destorying, Bain has never recorded net jobs lost or created from companies in their portfolio. Bain simply buys firms with mostly borrowed money sell off assets and make decisions too difficult for previous management. Private Equity is a complicated industry that most financial professionals do not understand, and it can be messy (Loss of jobs, pension plans) but it can't be used in this argument as there is no record to support either claim.

Romney is a money Pimp for the Kocheads !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DCIA,

When your 50+ and can't find a job for 2 years because there is none to be had, all you can do is retire....

Not really that good of an excuse to me...

In 2008, when there were a record number of voters that self-identified as a Democrat or Republican, the Democrats held a 7% advantage (39% Democrat vs 32% Republican), which was a record high for Democrats and a record low for Republicans.

These Pollsters are now giving the Democrats an advantage of as much as 10% to 13% over Republicans in their sampling - how realistic is that - especially considering the Republican blowout over Democrats in the 2010 mid-term elections?

A recent survey of Voter ID found voters self-identified as follows; Republicans = 37.6%, Democrats = 33.3%, Independents = 29.1%. Since exit polls for 2004 and 2008 show that about 90% of 'Party Affiliated' voters vote Party-Line, these polls could have a false bias in favor of Obama of as much as 10%. You can decide for yourself if this is deliberate misinformation by the Liberal media.

Personally, I trust Rasmussen and Gallup the most (even though Gallup had a distinct Democratic average bias of over 3% for 2004 and 2008 - seriously overstating the Democrat compared with actual results). Rasmussen has Obama ahead by only 1% and Gallup has Romney ahead by perhaps 4% among Likely Voters (Gallup still polls Registered Voters, which historically overstates the Democrat by about 4% - see link).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110272/Registered-Voters-vs-Likely-Voters.aspx

This race is still TOO CLOSE TO CALL.

Obama can't change Washington, from the inside. Obama promise to do it, this is one more failure to his list. What is next.

Jorge Ramos from Univision the Spanish Channel.....Senor Presidente , por que no aprovo la reforma de inmigracion ,cuando tenia la mayoria del Congreso. . Mr President, why you did not pass an immigration reform when you had the majority in Congress , but now you want our votes ,.....Mr. President.......Mr. President.......Mr President......empty chair

Questiion from a Latino college Student. Sr. Presidente , What is your recommendation to get a job , ....answer from Obama...Get a college Education . LOL

Still waiting for trickle-down to work.

@Xabre, Reagan inherited a similar situation from Carter (Unemployment going to 10.8%, bank defaults, and inflation). He was able to get growth rates above 5% compared with Obama's 1% - 2% and unemployment was down to 7.5% after his first term.

In April 1984, the economy added 363,000 jobs. In the first four months of 1984, employment growth hit 1,564,000. This year, the first four months have brought about half that amount.

And the Reagan recovery sustained its momentum through the election, averaging 300,000 new jobs a month from May to October.

If that is the type of recovery "trickle down" economics gets you I'm all for it! Unfortunatly the only real "trickle down" economic theory comes from democrats who think they can take from the haves and trickle it out to the have nots (and unions, special interst groups, green energy companies that go under, and districts that don't exist.

@Xabre, Reagan inherited a similar situation from Carter (Unemployment going to 10.8%, bank defaults, and inflation). He was able to get growth rates above 5% compared with Obama's 1% - 2% and unemployment was down to 7.5% after his first term.

How many bills did Reagan's Congresses pass, and how many filibusters were there? I see you left those numbers out.

Hey LogicRequired: Maybe you should read more about Reagan. It seems that after a couple years he decided trickle-down was a bust.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/reagan_years_taxes/index.htm

Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime," Thorndike said.

The bills didn't raise more revenue by hiking individual income tax rates though. Instead they did it largely through making it tougher to evade taxes, and through "base broadening" -- that is, reducing various federal tax breaks and closing tax loopholes.

For instance, more asset sales became taxable and tax-advantaged contributions and benefits under pension plans were further limited.

This is why the modern GOP would never nominate that man. He got out of the recession by spending and taxing; such dirty words.

Bayllie said: your idiotic claim has been debunked by experts so just because Fox News says it, it doesn't make it a FACT.

Debunked by media matters.... some real proof of debunking. HA! I guess the only problem is, I heard the Bush speech on opening up the Federal Oil Reserves and by coincidence gas prices started to fall.

They reported that Bush lifted the offshore drilling moratorium... While Bush may have lifted the moratorium that's not what I said, or what the Bush speech was about. He made the announcement that he was going to open up the Federal Reserves... so you are showing apples when I'm talking oranges. All of your attempted proof does not mean anything. Maybe you should try to seek out the results of the Federal Oil Reserve speech instead of the offshore drilling moratorium... The moratorium action wouldn't have dropped gasoline prices immediately... but the threat of opening up the reserves did. In your zeal to try to prove me wrong all I have to say is nice try, but no cigar.

Wage growth under Bush was stagnant as income of the rich skyrocketed. Meanwhile, inflation moves along at 3-4% for 8 years leading to an inflation adjusted rise in eligibility for food stamps. Then, economy loses 8 million jobs due to Great Recession of 2008-2009.

That more people are on food stamps at same time as richest 1% take 24% of nation's income shows how the rich and powerful have managed to redistribute income in their favor. That you blame the needy and the President who is trying to fix this economy for their plight, shows that you are indeed a victim of the Rich/Republican Propaganda Machine.

Share that profit from productivity growth.

The Rich are taking more than their fair share and this leaves many Americans on Food Stamps.

Hear that Walmart and other corporate giants. Feeding your workers should be more important to you than posting a great quarterly profit.

It's time for business to raise wages and reduce their own take home pay. Our economy demands it.

The Romney Camp suggested that Romney should come up with a plan and stop looking like a fool !!!

Starsailing...

What are you...a fashion consultant ??? If so, please do try to get in touch with the woman you so seem to despise...Ann Romney...and see if you can provide her with some sound fashion advise. Maybe you can get her into those dresses with the big wide belts tucked into her armpits...ala 'Michelle, Your Belle'. A lot can also be done with those huge bows attached to dresses or jackets...the bigger the bow, the better !

To balance things out with the new threads...Ms. Romney is going to need to hire a physical trainer and a new chef....she needs to work on expanding her hips out to the East and West a bit more and develop a clunkier stride...let's say, a bit more of a 'plowhorse' style of gait where one can nearly detect the 'ka-chunka' of each step. Of course, all ala 'Michelle, Your Belle'.

And if she only can get hooked up with some type of night-time dental appliance...to move things around and try to develop that fashionable 'underbite' look. Just might find herself posing for 'Vogue' if she can do do as needed and get herself together a bit more in the 'Michelle, Your Belle' mold.

Is that where you need to be today...taking cheap shots on the appearance of someone you know nothing about because she happens to be the wife of a candidate you choose not to vote for ???

As you can see...anyone can play that game.

The Liberal media 'narrative' has already been written. Here it is;

"Romney is desperate", and "Obama is in control".

Need proof? - Just look at the photos that NBC used in this article.

And the 'narrative' for the debates has already been written as well. Here it is;

"Romney needs to shine", and after the debates it will be "Obama shines, while Romney falters".

Just wait and see. NBC is so predictable - but then they ARE controlled by Obama's buddy - Jeff Immelt at General Electric.

Gingerbread Mamma

how does it feel to be a Republican after you've heard that fusillade?

Interesting piece to be sure but, considering I've googled it and only found it on hard, left-wing sites, I doubt many republicans have seen it. Anne sounds like a wife who loves her husband to me...Mitt is a fine business man and probably generally a good person. He has used a completley legal system (ethically dubious surely) that was crafted by many other people over many years but he seems to have a good heart, generally speaking...

Having said that, Anne and Mitt are most definetely out of touch with the middle class and Mitt is not presidential material but even that is not why I will be voting for president Obama.

The behavior of the republican party over the last 4 years has completely precluded me voting for them. If anyone votes for the republicans for POTUS or for congress, they are giving the big 'thumbs up!' to horrendous, child-like behavior AND they are making it okay for the democrats to behave just as bad when their candidate loses as well...and you know they will because that is just how things work in DC.

If you can't vote 'yes' to president Obama then at least vote 'NO' to more wreckless, destructive and bratty behavior from our politicians by voting 'NO' to ALL current Republican candidates for office.

Romney is a money Pimp for the Kocheads !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Romney was a Pimp with a Limp he could maybe interview Obama! LOL

@Patriotic American, you rarely add anything of substance, and although I don't ignore you or anyone else I tend to not take anything you post seriously because it is such weak rhetoric.

Non -- Not sure if you read the article on the Fed member, who happens to be a HAWK, claiming it will take at least 4 + years more to get unemployment down. He's a conservative. People don't UNDERSTAND the extent of the damage of the financial crisis nor the depth of the Great Recession.

It doesn't help that WALL STREET stole the middle class' WEALTH!

The Rich are taking more than their fair share and this leaves many Americans on Food Stamps.

It's time for business to raise wages and reduce their own take home pay. Our economy demands it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

Pretty much describes recent history.

And the 'narrative' for the debates has already been written as well. Here it is;

"Romney needs to shine", and after the debates it will be "Obama shines, while Romney falters".

Just wait and see. NBC is so predictable - but then they ARE controlled by Obama's buddy - Jeff Immelt at General Electric.

Good point Roy! I say we have a contest to see who can guess the headline from NBC after the debates. Here is my entry..

"Romney Under Performs During Debate"

Romney and the TeaReTards are trying to steal the Election with Voters ID Law !!!!!!!!!

Dont_carry_it_all

Non -- Not sure if you read the article on the Fed member, who happens to be a HAWK, claiming it will take at least 4 + years more to get unemployment down. He's a conservative. People don't UNDERSTAND the extent of the damage of the financial crisis nor the depth of the Great Recession.

It doesn't help that WALL STREET stole the middle class' WEALTH!

An article from a member of the Fed? The same Fed that is now running QE3 under Obama, an open ended stimulus printing 40 Billion dollars a month, while inflating our currency to toilet paper? I really wouldn't put much stock in ANYTHING someone from the Fed says, no matter WHAT he claims to be.

What I DO understand, is that you can't SPEND your way out of recession.... When you get in debt you don't take out another higher interest rate credit card and pay off that debt. That is what we are doing. Our credit rating has been downgraded 2 times under Obama... You think money is more or less expensive for us to borrow???

Xabre

The Rich are taking more than their fair share and this leaves many Americans on Food Stamps.

It's time for business to raise wages and reduce their own take home pay. Our economy demands it.

Straight out of the Socialist handbook. Well done sir....

Straight out of the Socialist handbook. Well done sir....

Quote fail.

I posted why that statement was valid. Read up on Keynesian Economics. You might learn something. Because here's a passage that pretty much represents what Obama is trying to do (and being obstructed by Congress for it):

Contrary to some critical characterizations of it, Keynesianism does not consist solely of deficit spending. Keynesianism recommends counter-cyclical policies.^[13] An example of a counter-cyclical policy is raising taxes to cool the economy and to prevent inflation when there is abundant demand-side growth, and engaging in deficit spending on labour-intensive infrastructure projects to stimulate employment and stabilize wages during economic downturns.

Oh wait, the American Jobs Act was shot down without a debate by the Republicans.

I am trying to figure out why all of you screaming liberals are sporting the "cute" little "Feisty" button that Gingerbread Momma has.

Hilarious. She really is the queen.

Xabre,

There is no WHY that statement is valid, because nothing of that statement is valid. Keynesian Economics works on the pie theory, that there is a constant amount of wealth in the world, and at any given time people have a certain percent of that pie or wealth. That is a flawed school of thought.

Wealth can be created. Just because someone gains wealth, does not mean a portion of wealth has been taken from you.

Those are ALL Socialist ideals....hence my comment.

Xabre,

There is no WHY that statement is valid, because nothing of that statement is valid. Keynesian Economics works on the pie theory, that there is a constant amount of wealth in the world, and at any given time people have a certain percent of that pie or wealth. That is a flawed school of thought.

Wealth can be created. Just because someone gains wealth, does not mean a portion of wealth has been taken from you.

Those are ALL Socialist ideals....hence my comment.

On the topic of "flawed schools of thought", I'd love to hear an explanation for that highlighted passage.

So is Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, even the FDIC is, by definition, socialism...

People like you simply aren't happy unless you go to bed each night knowing that millions of "other" people in our own country are going to bed cold and hungry. jesus h nipple, what is wrong with you!!??

brianb, Many liberal states elect republican governors over and over again... Look it up

Yeah -- California elected Arnold. Twice. And look at the shambles California is in now once he was finished!

Kinda like Two Terms of Dumbya Bush... he walked out of the White House and we were losing 750,000 jobs a month because of his (and the GOP's) crappy, Bush-Recession-creating policy!

LOL,

Ok, so explain to me this then. If I start a business and make money doing so, how is that "taking" money out of your pocket?

Based on your theory, there is a SET amount of wealth, so I MUST be taking a portion of your wealth with my new business right? HOW???

Gee, NBC touting it's own poll, conducted by their own Obama-bought media whores....imagine that! Gallup, a left leaning bunch, have it at 47-46%, and most others have it dead even. Hey, NBC, wishful thinking will win nothing, but then again, liberalism is all about "feeling good", so go feel really good about your skewed poll results.

@ 1.9 Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA

They're mailing out the early ballots in some states now but they don't have to be returned by mail at this time. They just have to be received by the end of election day. They can even take them in to any polling place on election day and drop them in a drop box.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFr-ZFLEWXF The Obama you don't know- interesting, what a sham.

Romney/Ryan 2012 the end of an error

This is why the modern GOP would never nominate that man. He got out of the recession by spending and taxing; such dirty words.

@Xabre, Spending and taxing??? Really?? I see you have no problem re writing history

even with the later increases, he was a net tax-cutter: He didn’t rescind the marginal cuts, and lowered the rates again in a 1986 overhaul that traded rate reductions for the elimination of individual tax preferences. By the end of his administration, the top marginal rate had been dropped to 28 percent from 70 percent when he took office.

August 13, 2012, marks the 31^st anniversary of President Ronald Reagan's signing of the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981—which cut taxes 25 percent for all Americans.

His 1981 tax cuts were the biggest in American history

LOL,

Ok, so explain to me this then. If I start a business and make money doing so, how is that "taking" money out of your pocket?

Based on your theory, there is a SET amount of wealth, so I MUST be taking a portion of your wealth with my new business right? HOW???

You're taking money from your customers and investors aren't you? Did you borrow money from a financial institution? Isn't this like...common sense?

Give me any situation, and I bet I can break it down to a finite amount of wealth.

@LogicRequired:

Apparently your comprehension of his closing loopholes, etc. equating to "the biggest tax hike in peacetime" was nill.

Non -- Congress has failed to do their job in helping the United States recover.

If you don't believe in SPENDING your way out you better look at Romney plans. A 2+ TRILLION increase in Defense spending. Ironically, the right wing doesn't acknowledge that's Keynesian spending. In fact, the U.S. has always followed a quasi Keynesian economic model. Reagan boosted GDP through Defense spending. Democrats just think the money could be better spent on putting people to work all over the country on things such as rebuilding the infrastructure etc.

BTW -- Did you have this change of heart over spending since this President came to office? Did you vote for BUSH the second time?

Xabre

LOL,

Ok, so explain to me this then. If I start a business and make money doing so, how is that "taking" money out of your pocket?

Based on your theory, there is a SET amount of wealth, so I MUST be taking a portion of your wealth with my new business right? HOW???

You're taking money from your customers and investors aren't you? Did you borrow money from a financial institution? Isn't this like...common sense?

CHOICE XABRE!!!

I am not TAKING money from investors. They are giving me money because they believe they will get a return on that money. Customers are GIVING me money because they WANT my product.

ISN'T THIS LIKE..... COMMON SENSE????

The Rich are taking more than their fair share and this leaves many Americans on Food Stamps.

Actual facts.....

"According to the Office of Tax Analysis the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income."

"The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share."

"Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total."

If you think 50% of working Americans paying $2.5 trillion dollars to the government isn't enough, or fair, you have a problem.

the Government took in $ 2,518,680,000,000 from 168,808,955 tax returns in 2006.

If you want to talk gas prices, check out what Bush Jr. did.

http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/charts/Oil/Gasoline_inflation_chart.htm

That was payback to his base. Romney will do the same for his.

Reagan did use massive tax cuts and spending to stimulate the economy in 1981-82. The Fed was also able to reduce the discount rate (rate charged banks) from 14% to under 8% in the same period. Budget deficits ensued and were reduced with later year tax increases and social security, medicare tax increases.

However, Reagan left office with having nearly tripled the national debt, but he economy was healthy and growing (despite the looming massive bank failures in the Southwest US).

Bayllie said:

you just need to admit to yourself that after giving Romney a chance, Mass resident don't think he deserves another one.

I don't have to admit that because you can't grasp the concept there's a difference between local and national elections. This is a national election and a large portion of people's viewpoints are based on that difference. I guess in your opinion Romney did nothing good for the state... but after he left office, you never gave it a second thought. Now that he's running for president, you will use anything you can muster in negativity because your liberal ideology provides nothing but negatives towards a candidate you don't support. It really is as simple as that.

CHOICE XABRE!!!

I am not TAKING money from investors. They are giving me money because they believe they will get a return on that money. Customers are GIVING me money because they WANT my product.

ISN'T THIS LIKE..... COMMON SENSE????

Doesn't change the fact that there is still finite wealth; no matter how you want to split hairs with words.

DCIA,

I did vote for Bush the second time, and PLENTY of blame should fall on him. His last 2 years were a spending spree, and STILL failed in comparison to what Obama has done every year for 4 years.

Romney/Ryan plan at LEAST lowers the rate of spending over the next 10 years, while Obamas keeps it the same, which means 1 Trillion+ dollar a year deficits.... I am definitely not saying Romney is perfect, because hes not, hes just 1000 times better than the only other option.

Fed starts printing money, says they will continue until the economy gets better. President surges ahead in the polls. Treasury Bill Rates fall. Think the smart money knows something we don't.

Xabre

CHOICE XABRE!!!

I am not TAKING money from investors. They are giving me money because they believe they will get a return on that money. Customers are GIVING me money because they WANT my product.

ISN'T THIS LIKE..... COMMON SENSE????

Doesn't change the fact that there is still finite wealth; no matter how you want to split hairs with words.

I will take the fact you have nothing logical to say and no argument to make as your admission of defeat. Thanks for playing...

If you are in such desire for Socialism, I can put together a long term travel guide you will be quite happy with.

Romney/Ryan plan at LEAST lowers the rate of spending over the next 10 years, while Obamas keeps it the same, which means 1 Trillion+ dollar a year deficits....

Tax Policy Center has already proven this false. Try switching the names and you'll get an accurate statement. Of course, these are facts; I can see why you would have trouble.

I will take the fact you have nothing logical to say and no argument to make as your admission of defeat. Thanks for playing...

Logical to say? All you said was that customer and investors willingly give you money as opposed to taking it by force. You have yet to address your claim of "creating wealth"; probably because wealth cannot be created.

Apparently your comprehension of his closing loopholes, etc. equating to "the biggest tax hike in peacetime"was nill.

I understood it, as did understanding he was still a NET TAX CUTTER. Besides that I'm not against closing tax loopholes, which is why I'm for Mitt Romney!

Who is who is currently talking about closing loopholes in the tax system instead of raising rates? Oh that's right Mitt Romney!

WOW! This place is chocked full of Kool-Aid drinkers. Let us be realistic about exactly what Obama has accomplished on the economy in 4 years;

1. After criticizing all who wanted GM to go through BankR, he insisted that more taxpayer money needed to be flushed down the toilet. After which, he then took GM into BankR anyway. In the process, he managed to wipe out stock holdings of tens of thousands of people's interest in the company as their 401k stock value plummetted to zero. Then he wiped out tens of thousands of dealership jobs, tens of thousands of US GM worker jobs, and gave a controlling interest in GM to the Unions and the Govm't. Then GM decided that if you had bought one of their crap cars, the warranty was void because GM was now a new company and would not honor their warranties, there is a confidence builder. So now government motors is unprofittable, can't sell its green cars, has no public trust, can't pay back the loans, and we are all so much better off for it.

2. Now comes the stimulous that would save us all and lower unemployment to 5.5% by August 2012. Hmmmmmm. Nowhere near that is it. I know, it was the sunomi, no no, it was the ATM machines, no no, it was the Arab Spring, no no, it was Bush, no no, it was ..... Anyone see a pattern YET! But of course he later joked that those shovel ready jobs weren't quite as shovel ready as he thought. Haha, real funny. The man is incapable of taking responsability for his own actions, much less his inactions yet to be listed.

3. Now comes the housing market and insurance companies and bank takeovers. We all know and feel how well this has turned out. Is anyone house worth what it was 4 years ago????????? Mine isn't. Has anyone still got a bank account that wasn't assumed by a too big to fail bank or a bank from outside the US???????

4. Now the fun one. Health care takeover that would drive down rates and improve care. Yeah I bet it will. Of course we now have an additional 19 NEW TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS that we are paying YEARS before any benefits even start, yet the 2,600+ page bill, which is just the outline, is still having rules, regulations and policies being written by a dozen different agencies which when completed will compile an estimated 200,000+ pages of regulation which individuals and businesses will be forced to comply with or face additional TAXES.

Not only is this the most unpopular law of the past century, it is also the most intrusive and costliest. And don't kid yourself that a socialist medicine program is good. Look at where all the socialists go when they need health care, it certainly isn't there facilities. But look on the bright side, while we all wait 1-2 years for treatment of conditions due to backlogs and beurocratic hurdles, those rich people and elitist hollywood snobs will travel for a quicky vacation with a stop at the new health care facilities in the new health care capital of the world, India.

Yes my socialist, leftist friends walk around with their eyes closed to the facts that the mideast is burning with hatred, protests and murdered embassy staff. And that the economy will not recover with a socialist in the white house advocating wealth redistribution. And that the Iranians are ready to start WWIII in their attempt to get a nuke and Obama's only answer is to go on apology tours of the region putting down the USA. Or that his divisionist attitude towards anyone who dares espouse their differing views is to deny, distract and divide.

Yes my socialist brothers and sisters, coninue to drink the kool-aid of this networks commentators such as MR "I got a thrill up my leg" Mathews while denying that Obama's first and last words of bipartisanship was " let's remember, elections have consequences, and I won." Simply continue to close your eyes and demand that those who pay taxes need to pay more disregarding the simple truth that even with the top 1% income tax rate at 100%, it won't even pay the deficits this President is running much less pay off the debt.

And when our day of reconing comes, and it cometh right soon, and all your freebies are gone and your income is taxed at unprecidented levels just to pay interest on this massive debt we continue to acrue as interest rates rise and the chineese refuse to buy our debt and our dollar has become so diluted by the constant printing of free money that nobody in the world wants it, and you can't feed your kids, or send them to college, and they can't even find jobs, JUST REMEBER, its not Bush's fault or the Republicans, or even Obama's, it is YOURS if you re-elect this socialist moron with no job skills, or talent other than to rally others behind his cause through good speeches. Reminds me of someone from the 1930's and 40's that led their nation to near total destruction.

The bills didn't raise more revenue by hiking individual income tax rates though. Instead they did it largely through making it tougher to evade taxes, and through "base broadening" -- that is, reducing various federal tax breaks and closing tax loopholes.

For instance, more asset sales became taxable and tax-advantaged contributions and benefits under pension plans were further limited.

WTF do you Romney is taking about when he says we can't have 47% not pay Federal Income tax? His whole plan is about broadening the tax base and closing loopholes that affect the rich more than the middle class.

The Rich are taking more than their fair share and this leaves many Americans on Food Stamps.

Baloney. Only in the static concept of an economy we have now. Obama's world is that the economy cannot expand so we take from one group and re-distribute to another. An example of this would be the GM Bailout where he took from the taxpayers and handed the cash over to company, while maintaining their noncompetitive wage structure.

Austrian economist Friedrich Hayek criticized Keynesian economic policies for what he called their fundamentally "collectivist" approach, arguing that such theories encourage centralized planning, which leads to malinvestment of capital, which is the cause of business cycles. Hayek also argued that Keynes's study of the aggregate relations in an economy is fallacious, as recessions are caused by micro-economic factors. Hayek claimed that what starts as temporary governmental fixes usually become permanent and expanding government programs, which stifle the private sector and civil society.^[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

Doesn't this also describe recent history?

@Bailie

I have many times and the only FACTS I ever found is that gas prices are influenced by global supply/demand, global financial crisis, global economy.

Yeah? Well try printing trillions of the currency that oil is traded in and you'll see some pretty significant price inflation.

Following the discovery of America and the colonial expansion in the Caribbean and Continental America, valuable agricultural products and mineral resources were introduced into Spain through regular trade routes. New products such as potatoes, tomatoes and corn had a long-lasting impact on the Spanish economy, but more importantly on European demographics. Gold and silver bullion from American mines were used by the Spanish Crown to pay for troops in the Netherlands and Italy, to maintain the emperor's forces in Germany and ships at sea, and to satisfy increasing consumer demand at home. However, the large volumes of precious metals from America led to inflation, which had a negative effect on the poorer part of the population, as goods became overpriced. This also hampered exports, as expensive goods could not compete in international markets.

From Wikipedia explains the inflationary effects of gold and silver on the necessities.

I understood it, as did understanding he was still a NET TAX CUTTER. Besides that I'm not against closing tax loopholes, which is why I'm for Mitt Romney!

No you didn't. Because he was only a net tax cutter when it comes to income tax rates, not actual income. I look forward to your next futile attempt to comprehend fact.

Doesn't this also describe recent history?

Not really Alan. Probably because the GOP has prevent Obama from even attempting temporary measures. But thanks for trying.

BrianB

It used to be that whenever someone ran for President, his home state would give him "Favorite Son" status. Gore did lose Tennessee in 2000, but Romney is 28 points down. That has to tell you something other than it's all about some notion you have about liberals.

It seems to me that after 4 years of having Romney as their governor, that most people in Massachusetts simply don't like him. I have heard that he ran the state like he was some kind of CEO, failing to even talk to his opposition. He did not run for a second term because he would have lost.

Massachusetts knows Romney and they don't like him.

Xabre

Romney/Ryan plan at LEAST lowers the rate of spending over the next 10 years, while Obamas keeps it the same, which means 1 Trillion+ dollar a year deficits....

Tax Policy Center has already proven this false. Try switching the names and you'll get an accurate statement. Of course, these are facts; I can see why you would have trouble.

I will take the fact you have nothing logical to say and no argument to make as your admission of defeat. Thanks for playing...

Logical to say? All you said was that customer and investors willingly give you money as opposed to taking it by force. You have yet to address your claim of "creating wealth"; probably because wealth cannot be created.

I would love to see any type of proof on the tax conversation we are having. I hope you understand that I am not just going to believe anything you say.... no offense.

I have provided my argument for free markets, where anyone can take an idea, start a business, make money, and then provide jobs for others all while not TAKING money out of someone else's pocket. You are more than welcome to explain to me how there is finite wealth in this world.... If you can't then like I said, thanks for playing...

What little we know about Romney's foreign policy:

Insult the British.

At the Iowa Republican presidential debate in 2011 Romney said the following: "I'd get on the phone with my friend Bebe Netanyahu and say would it help if I said this? What would you like me to do?"

LogicRequired said:

Good point Roy! I say we have a contest to see who can guess the headline from NBC after the debates. Here is my entry..

"Romney Under Performs During Debate"

I have one!

"Romney Falls Flat While Obama Provides Stellar Performance"

Romney's campaign is on life support and he hasn't even been humiliated in the debates yet! The GOP's failed political ideology is being discredited and the TP is fading away like a bad memory. President Obama will be reelected without breaking a sweat despite the billion+ dollars of heavy handed advertising paid for and wasted by the Koch brothers. Is this great or what?

It really is morning in America!

I believe the reason is because we've already gone over all the BS that is being tossed out there. I personally feel that Obama is in meltdown mode and a certain conclusion has been drawn where he can't defend all that has gone wrong under his hands in the past 4 years. It is quite evident that the recent revelation that he believes in redistribution makes it very clear that conservatives have been correct about his Marxist roots.

Albany Joe, I don't know what you've been smoking but it must be great considering the fantasy land you're in.

I would love to see any type of proof on the tax conversation we are having. I hope you understand that I am not just going to believe anything you say.... no offense.

I have provided my argument for free markets, where anyone can take an idea, start a business, make money, and then provide jobs for others all while not TAKING money out of someone else's pocket. You are more than welcome to explain to me how there is finite wealth in this world.... If you can't then like I said, thanks for playing...

Our entire economy is based around the exchange of wealth. Wealth is never created. Of course this simple fact must be too complex for you; therefore you choosing not to believe it should not come as a surprise.

Brianb1956

LogicRequired said:

Good point Roy! I say we have a contest to see who can guess the headline from NBC after the debates. Here is my entry..

"Romney Under Performs During Debate"

I have one!

"Romney Falls Flat While Obama Provides Stellar Performance"

"Romney stumbles out of gate in first debate"

shaak322 said:

BrianB

It used to be that whenever someone ran for President, his home state would give him "Favorite Son" status. Gore did lose Tennessee in 2000, but Romney is 28 points down. That has to tell you something other than it's all about some notion you have about liberals.

It seems to me that after 4 years of having Romney as their governor, that most people in Massachusetts simply don't like him. I have heard that he ran the state like he was some kind of CEO, failing to even talk to his opposition. He did not run for a second term because he would have lost.

Massachusetts knows Romney and they don't like him.

I have about as much use for the people in Massachusetts as I do for a flying bug. I know their politics. I know they voted for Kennedy many times over and he was a murderer. What does that say about their politics? Mass is in bed with Obama and if you can't understand that, then the entire concept is just too deep. You are beating a dead horse because their choice is clearly understood.

Besides, Romney's home state is NOT Mass. He was born in Detroit.

Doesn't change the fact that there is still finite wealth; no matter how you want to split hairs with words.

There is not finite wealth and no serious economic person claims this any more. Wealth can be and is created.

What Adam Smith perceived, essentially, was first that “wealth” was not something static and given like gold, or, indeed, poker chips, but rather consisted of goods and services that could be created, and second that both parties to an economic exchange could improve their respective situations.

If, in the absence of coercion, two individuals exchange goods or services, it can be only because each party to the exchange values, at least at the time of the exchange, what is obtained more than what is surrendered. Each anticipates enjoying a more valued situation by making the exchange than obtained before making the ex change. There are two winners, not one. This is a positive-sum, rather than a gem-sum game.

Not really Alan. Probably because the GOP has prevent Obama from even attempting temporary measures. But thanks for trying.

True, an 800B stimulus and 1.76T entitlement program just happened to other people. What about the 16 tax breaks for small businesses he keeps mentioning on the stump. (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/07/barack-obama/barack-obama-claims-credit-least-16-tax-cuts-small/))

All this guy knows is how to spend money. There is isn't a government program he doesn't like. I'm still waiting to hear the 330B in cuts hes going to implement to hit that 400B in deficit reduction you keep bring up.

There is not finite wealth and no serious economic person claims this any more. Wealth can be and is created.

Come on Logic. Don't you know that Apple market value is only going up because they are stealing other companies business.

There is not finite wealth and no serious economic person claims this any more. Wealth can be and is created.

So give me an example of pure wealth creation. Just one.

All this guy knows is how to spend money. There is isn't a government program he doesn't like. I'm still waiting to hear the 330B in cuts hes going to implement to hit that 400B in deficit reduction you keep bring up.

I bring it up because it was in his already submitted proposal. You want to know about his budget? Go read it. It's public record.

P.S. Romney wants to fund the DOD at 4% GDP, but that doesn't classify as "spending money".

Alan, NJ

There is not finite wealth and no serious economic person claims this any more. Wealth can be and is created.

Come on Logic. Don't you know that Apple market value is only going up because they are stealing other companies business.

Your so right. That is why Google and LG are about to go out of business....

Your so right. That is why Google and LG are about to go out of business....

I'm still waiting for that example. If it's so easy why haven't you provided me with one yet?

Xabre

There is not finite wealth and no serious economic person claims this any more. Wealth can be and is created.

So give me an example of pure wealth creation. Just one.

I already have, and you stopped talking to me because you had no way of continuing with your lame Keynesian argument...

@blackcat

you are not a registered voter in the United States, you have no skin in the game so you probably need to go to a British site to spew your bull sh!t.

Frog....

That's about the thousandth time I've read on this site that the economy was "losing 750,000 jobs per month" before Mr. Obama took office...yet nobody has ever written on how many months in a row that many jobs were lost.

So how many months in a row did that happen ?

And I'm sure you swallow Mr. Obama's line that he has "created 4.6 million new jobs" too !!!