In rest of '98 clip, Obama speaks of 'competition' and 'the marketplace'

President Obama is seen speaking at a conference held at Loyola University in October 1998 about city government and public policy, in which then-Illinois state senator talked about making government more efficient.

 

Updated 11:29 p.m. — Mitt Romney's campaign this week has pounced on a 14-year-old clip of Obama speaking about "redistribution" in October 1998 at a conference in Chicago, in which the future president seems to extol the virtues of redistributing wealth.

Yet NBC News has obtained the entirety of the relevant remarks, which includes additional comments by Obama that weren't included in the video circulated by Republicans. That omission features additional words of praise for "competition" and the "marketplace" by the then-state senator. 

In the whole clip, Obama says:

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot.  How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

Obama continues in a few words after that to describe the use of tax credits in setting public housing development policy in Chicago as an example before concluding.

The video circulated by Republicans, which has used as fodder for an attack on Obama, includes a longer reflection by Obama about talking about how government action can be effective. But the clip has been cut short after the word "shot;" Obama's words about competition, the marketplace and innovation are omitted from the clip. 

Romney has nonetheless seized upon this clip as his campaign looks to regain its footing after the release of a surreptitiously-recorded video of the GOP presidential nominee speaking at a private fundraiser in May. Romney's campaign has been bogged down in criticism from conservatives and Democrats alike since the release of the clip, in which Romney talks about how he couldn't count on the support of 47 percent of Americans, since they pay no taxes, and are "dependent" on government.

The Republican candidate has used it as campaign fodder as recently as Wednesday.

"This is how America works. It does not work by a government saying, become dependent on government. Become dependent upon redistribution. That will kill the American entrepreneurship that’s lifted our economy over the years," Romney told donors at a fundraiser this afternoon in Atlanta. "The question of this campaign is not who cares about the poor and the middle class? I do.  He does. The question is who can help the poor and the middle class? I can! He can’t!"

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I for one would hope that the Dems take up the redistribution idea and throw it right back at the GOP. For the past 30 plus years there has been a huge redistribution of wealth in this country and it is from the bottom up. I heard and read recently that in 1980 the top 1% controlled about 7% of the nations wealth where in 2010 that figure reached nearly 30%. The top 10% of the population now controls nearly 70 % of the wealth, up considerably since 1980. That is a massive redistribution and if the Republicans want to play this game, the Dems should play along, it would be a winning argument for the Dems for sure.

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Reply#102 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:14 AM EDT

The problem with your logic is that the republicans work for the money and dems figure out how to take it without working. The repubs sign the front of the check and the dems sign the back

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#102.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:50 AM EDT
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I would like to some of the money NBC gets paid tomake up bull sh t for O bama

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Reply#103 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:20 AM EDT

Wha wha wha. Can't you come up with something better than "it's all the media's fault we're losing!"?

    #103.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:42 AM EDT
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    billyd-1705732

    Dem's are great at proposing redistribution of other people money. I make about 20% of what Joe Biden made in 2011 but I donated 25 times (yes that is 2500% more) the amout Biden donated to charity.

    Seriously? No wonder the Republicans can't even come close to balancing a budget. Jill AND Joe Biden claimed $379,035 in income in 2011 (a majority of that coming from her), 20% of that is $75,807. They gave $5,540 to charity. 25 times that number is $138,725. So somehow you managed to give 2x what you made to charity? Either dumb or an embezzler.

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    Reply#104 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:20 AM EDT

    Clone, just a thought billy didn't mention what Biden paid in charity, maybe he had a different figure, regardless the fact is Biden needs to walk the talk, as I believe Governor Romney gave over 10% of his income to charity and Biden 1 1/2 %. same nonsense from the left, the issue is the economy and jobs lets stay on track.

    Vote Romney/Ryan 2012 who believe in America.

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    #104.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:11 AM EDT
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    Great "news" article NBC. Headline defending and clarifying your candidate. You are not journalists, you are not reporters, you are a SURROGATE for the Obama Campaign. Shame on you for giving the President Obama the royal press pass, because my children and grandchildren will have to pay for the hole that he is and will put us in.

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    Reply#105 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:22 AM EDT

    There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

    * Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

    * Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

    * Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

    * Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

    * Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

    * Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

    * Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

    * Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

    * Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

    * Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.

    * Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    * Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice (NOTE: that's Fast and Furious Eric Holder!) to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    * Executive Order 11921 allows the Federam Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency.Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    It is more than clear that Obama is planning for the total control and takeover of America via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health: he has it covered.

    While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution.

    Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.

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    #105.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:37 AM EDT

    What did the media report that is either made up or taken out of context? I watched Hannity earlier, and his desperation to make something of a 13 year old audio clip was just sad. Obama said "redistribution", and the poor Fox News speaker tried to insist that word means he's a communist.

    NBC News, meanwhile, is trying to show the context for the entire comment, which shows he supports capitalism and the private sector. What, specifically, is your complaint? I mean, besides you frustration that Romney is crashing and burning and will never be president.

    Reposting a proven false e-mail shows the true desperation. These people have nothing.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp

    Obama: 136 executive orders (not 923)

    George W. Bush: 291 executive orders in 8 years.

    Bill Clinton: 365 executive orders in 8 years.

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    #105.2 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:40 AM EDT

    I see why you listen to mslsd and nbc, the lowest rated of all the news services. even communist news network and husseins lefteist news channel are a bit higher rated, clear up to 25%. hussein still claims hi desire to take america down to the level of his islam brotherhood, in fact he just sent them another 1.55 billion after they sacked our embassy. His take what I want attitude is over.

    • 2 votes
    #105.3 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:47 AM EDT

    NBC news would NEVER publish an article on their website clarifying statements for Romney that were taken out of context. Additionally, IT WOULD NEVER BE A HEADLINE. Double standard.

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    #105.4 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:47 AM EDT

    you are incorrect clotho, check the federal register. but if you googling, check out why he and the vacation queen lost their law licenses for fraud. Sealed up at the cost of a million to the administration.

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    #105.5 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:49 AM EDT
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    Out of context? How do the words "competition" and "marketplace" change or mitigate his desire to redistribute.

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    Reply#106 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:23 AM EDT

    Cue the fat lady, it's time to butter the toast. At this point the Titanic had a better chance, and much like the Titanic, there aren't enough life boats to save the down ballot GOP candidates. The party founded on fighting the Civil War and whose candidates for it's 40 years, mostly fought in the Civil War will now have its own internal civil war.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#107 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:26 AM EDT

    They fought against dems that wanted to keep their slaves.

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    #107.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:34 AM EDT
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    Its amazing that NBC puts out PART of a secretly recorded Romney tape from some lib organization trying to make him look bad.Then some other news outlets put a barry tape out with him talking about taking peoples money and giving it to other people.Then here comes NBC again here is the rest of barry tape saying something else.

    The liberal bias at NBC is such bulls hit !

    • 2 votes
    Reply#108 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:32 AM EDT

    well, fair IF the rest of the tape redeemed Romney...but when the rest of the comments were if anything even worse? NOT!

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    #108.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:36 AM EDT

    I would like to see them publish his total list of executive orders

    There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

    * Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

    * Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

    * Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

    * Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

    * Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

    * Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

    * Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

    * Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

    * Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

    * Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.

    * Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    * Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice (NOTE: that's Fast and Furious Eric Holder!) to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    * Executive Order 11921 allows the Federam Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency.Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    It is more than clear that Obama is planning for the total control and takeover of America via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health: he has it covered.

    While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution.

    Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.

      #108.2 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:40 AM EDT

      I really like one of his latest orders, haveing all federal agents take zombie training. The undead are here I say. hussein/biden gone now.

      • 2 votes
      #108.3 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:41 AM EDT

      IPCMFG, you didn't really have to show your stupidity twice (like posting it two times).

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      #108.4 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:59 AM EDT
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      Having to go back 14 years to find a quote to make him look bad? Weak. Having to doctor the tape to make it say what you want it to say? Desperate. Thinking there's any way outta this hole that you built? Deluded!

      • 4 votes
      Reply#109 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:34 AM EDT

      hussein still claims the same bs today,

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      #109.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:38 AM EDT
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      I wonder how all you libs will feel when you have to pay taxes because of ovomitcare. Your paid healthcare comes at a price to you also. you will get a tax form to show that you received ovomitcare, if you are a family your tax base just went up by 12000 dollars. If you are single about 8000. you don't get the money, just the income which you have to pay taxes on. If you get free health care from your employer, you will have the income added on to your w-2 as other income and you will pay taxes on it. That should take care of the tax refunds for earned income credits as you will now be above the minumum.

      Ever wonder why hussein/biden reid and pelosi are not mentioned this. They know that will be a show stopper.

      They have distanced themselves from this mess as far as possible. hussein also never campaigns on anything he has done, does not put the free cell phones and trinkets up for public veiwing, ever wonder why.

      I can't think of anything he has done for the country either.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#110 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:35 AM EDT

      IPCMFG, I am paying right now for all those uninsured trough sky high medical cost. How do you think hospitals and doctors are getting payed if they treat someone without insurance? Clue - rising the prices. I be happy to pay more taxes to lessen the burden. We are the only country in the world without single payee insurance. If you think that rest of the world is wrong and you are right, you suffer from disorder called megalomania. And as for HE has not done "anything" for the country , if nothing else, HE did not start any wars and is not responsible for thousands of dead and disabled.

      • 1 vote
      #110.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:23 AM EDT
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      Because it was 14 years ago it makes it not true,the libs have such good logic.Hey that was said along time ago its not true.Pathetic !

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      Reply#111 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:36 AM EDT

      Memo from Obama & the Dims to the private sector: the beatings will continue to increase until morale improves!

        Reply#112 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:36 AM EDT

        hehe true

          #112.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:39 AM EDT
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          this site complains about cutting the Obama clip short.....what about the Romney clip. It was cut to leave out the rest of what he said, too.

          Obama is a socialist and his stupid smile cannot hide it. He is surrounded by far left radicals that think the same way, he has repeatedly stated the redistribution theme.

          After he has torn down the wealth creators in this country who will be left to fund the welfare programs he has pushed?

          Obama is anti capitalism and it is free market capitalism that has made America great.

          And, Obama repeatedly breaks the law to do whatever the hell he wants to do, hail King Obama.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#113 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:41 AM EDT

          I'm speechless -- NBC/MSNBC carrying the water for Obama once again. Your lack of journalistic ethics is not becoming.

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          Reply#114 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:43 AM EDT

          Van mom he didn't build the hole someone else did according to barry !

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          Reply#115 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:43 AM EDT

          More pro-Obama, pre-emptive coverage from MSNBC. When I read that headline I had no idea what they were talking about. That is, before the news of the Obama video comments has even become widely known to begin with, MSNBC, rather than inform us why the comments are claimed to be relevant in the first place, is conjuring up a retort on behalf of Obama, and making the retort the initial headline. Laughable. No need to hear what the Obama campaign might say about it, if it's important at all, because MSNBC has taken it upon itself to craft an adversarial reply for him. Now I call that full-service news reporting!

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          Reply#116 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:44 AM EDT

          Pre-Reagan, the bottom 40% of American own 0.9% of its wealth. Now it owns 0.2%. Why isn't the far right, far left, center, etc. alarmed about that "redistribution"? $1 out of ever $6 earned by the Middle Class pre-Reagan is now earned by the top 1%. How about that "redistribution"? If you're not in the top 1% you're a financial Uncle Tom if you are not alarmed by that and if you dont want that "redistributed". How long can American businesses continue to increase profits mainly be reduced costs while decreasing the average income against inflation? How can America grow is the people are not able to purchase the goods and services they produce? Even Henry Ford realized well-paid employees could afford to buy his cars.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#117 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:47 AM EDT

          Most big business will go under if barry continues his plans so don't worry to much about them increasing profits.More and more people will be out of work also and then will be on the government teat and barry will then buy them the car.

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          #117.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:57 AM EDT
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          Is this the same tape that NBC refuses to air ha ha ha. You HAVE LOST ALL JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY NBC.

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          Reply#118 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:50 AM EDT

          NBC is no longer a news organization it is a political arm of the Democratic party.

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          Reply#119 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:53 AM EDT

          Oh my goodness.. MSN and NBC figured out it was cut short and were first to write a whole story about it! My my, it took the two news agencies who seem to cut video and stories short for their own gain to report this! Good catch NBC and MSN.. NOw, how about all those videos you have cut short to run over and over.. Lets see the whole thing on them! Doesn't matter what Obama said in the whole video, the part that was shown is what the topic was about.. Romney didn't say look we have a whole long video of him saying something, they are showing what is important.. Obama wants to try to destroy the rich who aren't his friends to make himself and his cronnies richer! Invent another agency and appoint another friend as Czar.. Thats the Obama way! Oh wait, we are still talking about the Romney video aren't we? What happened to those protest where our people were being killed over seas.. Not important anymore now that MSN and all those liberal news channels have something to run over and over about Romney taken out of text..

          • 1 vote
          Reply#120 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:53 AM EDT

          The Repugnuts have only two hopes of winning the White House:

          1) Lie about their positions and records and also about the president's position and record.

          2) Get the Suipreme Court to nullify the will of the electorate, again.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#121 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:54 AM EDT

          FUNNY How When It's: federal funding for Social Security to help the disabled or retired working class that have paid into that system all their lives, or VA benefits for our wounded soldiers who have risked their lives and well-being for us, or Medicare to protect our seniors who have also worked most all of their lives, Romney and republicans call that the Evil OBAMA REDISTRIBUTION PLAN to make ALL Americans Dependent on Government!

          But! When it's buying out American business's milking them for all their worth then striping them piece by piece while those who have INVESTED THEIR LIVES in these companies sit quietly by and watch Romney's Bain Monster Decimate their Company and their Jobs so Willard could Outsource them Oversea's! That kind of sick sel-serving Redistibution (Stashing Millions into his Hidden Offshore Tax Havens) is every bit as as acceptable and exciting as 3 Viagra's and a beer chaser to Romney!

          http://www.barackobama.com/romney-offshore-outsourcing/

          One can only suspect Ann Romney knew All About This which is how he acquired his Swiss & Cayman Island Millions and she ended up with 5 children!

          • 2 votes
          Reply#122 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:55 AM EDT

          So let me see hes is taking a failing company that is ready to go completely under where nobody has a job and tries to bring it back to life and salvage some of it and thats bad ?

          No taking money from good hard working people and giving it to lazy fu ck libs that won't work and have 3 generations of welfare babies is what the republicans are talking about. Got it ?

          • 2 votes
          #122.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:03 AM EDT

          Are you just plain stupid or what? Even other Republicans are distancing themselves from this arrogant elitist fool.

          Romney's going down hard in November. LOL

          • 2 votes
          #122.2 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:14 AM EDT

          Word for word democratic jackass. Sorry you're so jealous of someone that's made something of himself and became rich. Bow at obama's feet and believe his BS. By the way, it was the Democrats and obama who took $715 million dollars out of your medicare fund and gave it instead to the obamacare fund. Check your facts before you open your mouth.

          • 1 vote
          #122.3 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:44 AM EDT

          C121, Romney didn't make himself from nothing--how stupid are you? He inherited his money--he has never had to work a day in his entire life. He was born rich. Why do you guys keep peddling that same out flat out lie?

            #122.4 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:46 AM EDT
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            Clotho / Dean W. Read the whole thing, it is Obama talking about redistrubution and of course he does mention competition and the marketplace.. But then refers to how he can make it work for the people in the Chicago housing developments.. That is a nice word for the slums.. Obama has always been a group organizer who needs the poor to depend on him to get what he wants and he is trying it again.

            Oh god.. watching John Stewart show and he was talking about all the tax payer billions that were given to Exxon-Mobile and At&T and the farmers and the car companies from 2008 to this year and instead of saying one word about Obama's admin doing the money give away he managed to make it about Romney wanting to make sure these companies can keep paying their CEO's tons of money! What in the world is wrong with liberals? They can show how wrong their own party is and still make it seem like it is the repubs who did it! I am so sick of this crap.. Just vote these morons out of government completely.. White House, Senate, Congress.. get the dems out and let the repubs get it all wrong on their own.. Then let the dems try the next time on their own then we can compare what 4 year mark was the best.. That way neither party has to contend with filibusters and finger pointing. Just their own record of 4 years on their own! Then maybe the people would see that neither of them can do crap and we would get rid of this party crap all together!

              Reply#123 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:17 AM EDT

              Better get to bed, JoeBob. You don't want to be late for that income tax paying job you have in the morning. LOL

              • 1 vote
              #123.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:25 AM EDT
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              I love how disgruntled tea-baggers (GOP supporters) Right wing nuttjobs come on here and say Romney will be the next president.

              I hate to burst it to you, but, America is not that stupid to vote plastic mittens into power, just not even close, which is why true polling shows Obama winning by a landslide.

              Let me try to explain, Romney has less then a 20% chance of winning the election if it were held TODAY.

              But you go on pooping in one hand and wishing in another, Obama is president, NOT Romney and he will remain that way. You can't win elections with 29% Hispanic and 0% black votes, its not possible.

              Obama 2012! Removing big GOV from trying to tell you how to live your life.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#124 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:24 AM EDT

              The part "left out" has no effect on the absurdity of the first part that he said.

                Reply#125 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:25 AM EDT

                Then why leave it out? Or is it another case of creative editing, like the Treyvon Martin 911 call?

                  #125.1 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:40 AM EDT
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                  Give me a break. There is Obama's own book about what he did with drugs; then the administration commits so many gaffes about the killing of our ambassador to Libya. And all you can talk about is that the Obama tape was cut short!!!?

                  What is going on with the media? You rip Romney for his 47% comment when it really does not affect food on my table. You did not play all of his tape.

                  What a farce the media has become. you treat us allo like we are ignorant, deaf and blind.

                  our economy is in shambles and our citizens are killed by terrorists and YOU FOCUS ON A TAPE MADE SURREPTITIOUSLY OF A ROMNEY SPEECH.

                  Where is the outrage at Obama for not being transparent, about constant blaming Bush, for lying and when he makes a ridiculous non - sensical comment? I am sick and tired of this biased and slanted reporting

                  We are citizens of the United States and all I hear and read is outrage at little comment. What a joke the media has become; you people are out of touch and more like a ropaganda machine for utter stupidity.t

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#126 - Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:27 AM EDT
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