Polls are funny like that.

WHAT AMERICA NEEDS IS A PRESIDENT THAT GIVES THE TERROISTS IDEAS ON ATTACKING US....

Mitt Romney- "I mean if I were Iran, if I were Iran-- I mean-- and-- and a crazed fanatic, I'd say, "Let's get a little fissile-- material to Hezbollah and have them carry it to Chicago or some other place. And then if anything goes wrong or America starts acting up, we'll just say, 'And guess what? Unless you stand down, why, we're gonna let off a dirty bomb.'" I mean this-- this is where we have-- where America can be held up and blackmailed by Iran. By the mullahs. By crazy people."

If only Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan could be in Chicago on the day when Mitt's dream comes true....Only under a Romney presidency would this be allowed.

polls are garbage but a lot of hard lefties were dancing around claiming a virtual victory. I dont care but now im seeing Feisty panick.

Which is why we cannot take our eye off the prize!

Sign up with your local OFA office, volunteer to register voters, and most of all VOTE, like your life depends on it!

doesnt sound too confident

Never underestimate the masses of uneducated

guess that could have applied to the 08 elections as well. Gotta love these Super Smart libbies. come in here daily and say "IM SMARTER THAN YOU I HAVE A DEGREE FROM A PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOL"

sure and I shot Bin Laden

LOL, polls are garbage--unless, of course, the polls show Romney or some republican leading!

Of course it will be a close election, the country is sharply divided. The question for conservatives is this--if it is all about the economy, why doesn't Romney lead? The answer is simple, the last three weeks in particular have shown Romney to be less than presidential.

Jody, Iowa

LOL, polls are garbage--unless, of course, the polls show Romney or some republican leading!

except i have never hinted at that. Nice try. I can see you went NBC editing school.

It's a horse race to the end. Thank God, the horse's head is leading the horse's ass.

just yesterday it was 5 point lead and it was done and over with. Make up your minds.

Caesar,

Had you watched Morning Joe this morning you would have heard Chuck Todd remind us that "The 43rd President of the United States" held a simillar lead at this point in 2004 as an incumbent over Senator John Kerry and the margin of victory still came down to "a football stadium-full of voters" in Ohio.

48 days...

Polls are pretty much useless, until the only one that counts, in November. Many have too small a sample size (IMO, 970 "likely" voters do NOT represent 150 Million actual voters.)

What they do tend to show is how the public is perceiving the campaigns. In a lopsided race, the losing side tends to get even less support, making the eventual victory even greater. In a tight race, every misstep is magnified. Now with the 24/7 blogosphere/twitterverse, everything anyone ever said is open to polling.

The GOP is digging into a one sentence comment made by then state Senator Barack Obama, attempting to deflect away from the disdain Mitt Romney shows for half of the US population in a very long diatribe to his wealthy donors. I'd like to see the entire speech made in 1998 by Barack Obama, but it probably won't surface. Most likely it also shows positive aspects of him, maybe talking about wanting to work with Republicans to improve the country.

Caesar,

Had you watched Morning Joe this morning you would have heard Chuck Todd remind us that "The 43rd President of the United States" held a simillar lead at this point in 2004 as an incumbent over Senator John Kerry and the margin of victory still came down to "a football stadium-full of voters" in Ohio.

48 days...

so the day before when you guys were doing a victory lap was premature. Im not sure what you are saying Noid. I think you lefties are failing to see the point. I think you guys are confused today.

Still going to come down to two things:

1) Economy direction

2) Voter enthusiasm

150 million would be great for a voter turnout....except that the 2008 election only garnered 132 million which equated to 57% of the voting public.

Too many people just don't seem to care.

The GOP is digging into a one sentence comment made by then state Senator Barack Obama

Because the president can't seem to utter one sentence on his own record. The "great orator" is having someone else (Bill Clinton) talk about his accomplishments from 20-12 years ago and steer clear of the previous 4 years.

well Sirie is likely closer to being right

The answer is simple, the last three weeks in particular have shown Romney to be less than presidential

yet Romney seems to gain. The incumbent has the advantage historically right? Look at what noid posted. Jody, youre a partisan hack nothing more. Me I dont like Obama. run hillary and see where that goes. Tell me Jody how presidential is Obama when he cant run on his record. Presidential, leadership pffft

The issue is how many voters minds can Mitt "R-money" change between now and November 6?

I don't see many people switching sides, the choices are too stark. So then, it's turnout, and all the dumb things Romney's been saying to irritate the 12% undecideds and his own campaign handlers.

MkeMike - You're right, not many people will switch sides. I for one did in 2008 because I believed that Obama was going to go in and change the way things are done. However, many that I have posted with, text with, emailed have all said the same thing that I feel, that they are disappointed in the progress that Obama has been able to achieve. I'm not saying that Obama didn't get things done, as he most certainly has. It has not been what he promised to complete, that is the overall feeling I am experiencing from my conversations with repubs/dems. FR on the other hand, Obama could kill an American himself and not one poster would change sides, unbelievably so...

Mitt Romney- "I mean if I were Iran, if I were Iran-- I mean-- and-- and a crazed fanatic, I'd say, "Let's get a little fissile-- material to Hezbollah and have them carry it to Chicago or some other place. And then if anything goes wrong or America starts acting up, we'll just say, 'And guess what? Unless you stand down, why, we're gonna let off a dirty bomb.'" I mean this-- this is where we have-- where America can be held up and blackmailed by Iran. By the mullahs. By crazy people."

And then, there's this...

"Been there, done that"...terrorist Jose Padilla sentenced January 22. 2008. Arrested on suspicion of plotting a radiological bomb ("dirty bomb") attack.

If Romney wants to slip suggestions to the terrorists, at least be original, and don't choose something that has already been foiled by someone else's administration...

@sirie

Yes, Obama has accomplished less than we would have hoped, however, he has accomplished quite a bit, which is well documented. Otherwise, why would the other side despise him so much.

In 2010, the GOP retook the House. They immediately vowed not to cooperate, and even Mitch McConnell and John Boehner called for the "failure" of Obama's presidency. They have done nothing since then to help America succeed, besides calling for more "failure". Even so, private sector jobs have grown, while the public sector jobs that the GOP has always despised, have fallen. The GOP got what it wanted, fewer government employees, a smaller economic recovery, and they managed to block any attempts by the Obama administration to alleviate the hardships of the Bush Depression.

For that reason alone, the GOP deserves to be defeated. Throw in the arrogant misteps, incompetent campaigning, and utter (some racial) hatred for a President that inherited the worst economy that trickle down economics has ever delivered, and we should be seeing the end of their political party. It is only through the intervention of massive amounts of money, and redistricting of safe GOP districts, that the GOP has any relevance today. The GOP is now at a crossroads, where it is forced to repudiate it's sensible policies, or it's base of Tea Party activists. That choice will destroy them.

This election reminds me of Dumb and Dumber...or maybe, Evil and Eviler??? Both canidates are BIG MONEY and money is the root of all evil...My hope is that we don't keep losing our FREEDOMS whoever gets elected!!! This is the dirtest election!!!

Rassmusen poll - Has Romney up in the 11 swing states 47-46. In colorado up 2, in New Hampshire up 3, In North Carolina up 6, Florida down 2, Virgina down 1, So all of the media hystirics is all bullsh1t as usual. They don't dare talk about the economy or the Middle East do they? WHY? When is the last time First Read aka (the Obama administration) mentioned a Rassmusen poll? After all, they were the most accurate last election. BIAS? Funny how the illegal Carter thing comes out when the Middle East is on fire, and shows a true lack of leadership from the community organizer!

When Reagan was governor of California he came up with the Trickle down philosophy,which was immediately embraced by the Republican Party.It has been a vision of faith ,by them ever since. We can say with confidence that he at least practiced what he preached because when tax time came around he was reported to have payed no taxes. When asked about this fact his answer was " that is dirty pool' but he was indifferent to the fact that he certainly was already practicing trickle down economy.

Next up, the debates!

Obama/Biden 2012

Never underestimate the masses of uneducated. Just look at the amount of posters here defending the outrageous remarks made by Mitt Romney. This is why we must remain vigilant in our defense.

On a lighter note: debates soon! :)

Just look at the amount of posters here defending the outrageous remarks made by Mitt Romney.

The ironic part is, the majority of them are in the 47% of who pay NO taxes and they're to dumb to understand Willard insulted them!

Cause, by golly, one day they might win the lottery!

On a lighter note: debates soon! :)

Cannot WAIT! Plenty of *popcorn* for those babies! ;o)

Hm I was wondering why there haven't been any soundbites from our favorite Congresswoman, Michelle Bachmann lately. Oh! Here's why:

Bachmann leads her opponent 48 to 46 percent, within the margin of error, a lead that has narrowed when compared to three months ago.

She cannot risk defending Romney's idiocy anymore. Her past comments have already put her on the verge of defeat. I've also read that she went from +4 with Independents, down to a whopping -15. That's absolutely hilarious.

*snickers*

they're to dumb to understand Willard insulted them!

WOW, then you being a Left of Castro thug go and do the same thing..what did you say about EYE RAH NEE again. what a dolt

Feisty, well said. VOTE.

Of course the election will be close, the polls will fluctuate up/down for one or the other just as they always do. I will not take a victory lap until the fat lady sings sometime late Nov 6 because 48 days is both a short time and a long time. That said, the trend seems to favor President Obama. Romney's huge missteps especially the last month are fresh in voters minds. My guess is that Romney will continue to step all over himself because for three weeks straight, the R Team has been in damage control mode.

You know Ceasar, I laugh everytime I read your posts. No doubt you think you are clever but you really are tiresome, inane drone--calling liberals communists is so 1980's. LOL

You know Ceasar, I laugh everytime I read your posts. No doubt you think you are clever but you really are tiresome, inane drone--calling liberals communists is so 1980's. LOL

you dont have to read. I think you and Feisty et al are similar to Beavis and Butthead. as for calling liberals commies, if its 1980'sish it doesnt change the core communistic philosphies of hard left liberalism. 1980's 90's or now. Now go back and tell me how i said polls dont count unless Romney is leading. Seems like you prefer to lie.

Feisty, if Romney wins are you going to get a job? Obviously, you are voting for HUSSEIN because your life depends on government assistance. LMAO at Feisty, the Red Communist from Roselle, which is 97% white and Asian.

Speaking of polls, I can't wait to see the next batch that will be taken after Mitt's disaster of this week. October 3rd can't come fast enough!!!

And CA - HYSTERICAL! You get the first post and you basically copied Feisty's from yesterday. Talk about clueless and unoriginal . . .

Obama/Biden 2012

And CA - HYSTERICAL! You get the first post and you basically copied Feisty's from yesterday. Talk about clueless and unoriginal . . .

Yeah I copied it, too bad sarcasm is lost on ya. Cant you see that I was Obama chest thumping! But you seem bitter i got first. you'll get over it, there will be many articles im sure bashing Romney throughout the day where you guys can 'reclaim' the top.

Talk about clueless and unoriginal . . .

I feel sorry for you but I wont get into great detail. Tired of breaking things down Barney Style for you

Feisty, Jody: It can not be said better. VOTE!

4 more 4 44

CA -

I feel sorry for you but I wont get into great detail.

Why is it when you, Talk, Brian, etc. insult me it actually feels like a compliment?

Why is it when you, Talk, Brian, etc. insult me it actually feels like a compliment?

you won't like the answer

Why is it when you, Talk, Brian, etc. insult me it actually feels like a compliment?

Because it is. The only insult would be if Talk, Brian, or CA were to throw themselves into the same grouping.

Your loser and "incomplete" supreme being is toast!, and all the spin that the biased media can heap on the pile will not be able to prevent the huge loss coming in November!

Caesar in August / We are now in September .I think that you are again in the past. The McCarthy ERA is past.I would suggest that you ask someone to explain to you what Political Liberal means. Many people must disagree with you and the defensive insult of saying that they are obviously Communist is also passe.

Amy, well stated and definitely something we should all do. We all need to remember that Congress is holding back our country and we need to shake them up and vote them out!

Angus King is a Democrat, but too chicken to admit it. Pathetic.

We are a split country, that's no surprise. No matter who runs, we're going to have a close election.

Concern Citizen-856329 - I didn't know NC is now Mitts. How about OH, FL, WI, VA, PA? Are they Mitts too?

Just24 - don't just look at the polls from NBC, expand your horizons. I'm giving you one right and one left. Some place in the middle you have the answer. Do some work. The polls were taken 6 minutes ago and 9:30 AM.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-general-election-romney-vs-obama#!mindate=2011-08-16

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 45% of the vote.

In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 47% of the vote and the president is supported by 46%. Three percent (3%) are not sure, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

ONE AND DONE !!!!

ROMNEY / RYAN 2012

The Washington Examiner reported today that 31 Obama campaign bundlers received clean-energy loans and grants totaling more than $16 billion. The auto bailout favored the United Auto Workers -- over secured creditors -- and eight of the 10 states getting the most contracts from the stimulus program were heavily Democratic.

• Romney Ryan 2012!!! Leadership for a Change!!!

Romney's own father was on welfare. So apparently Mitt could not even win the vote of his own father.

Here in Michigan some of the older voters remember when Mittenman's father was governor. He was a good man, very well respected by both sides. He was thoughtful and fair. Willard is not his father.

Pablo: there you go, mentioning Jon Huntsman. The governor was the only intelligent person the GOP had and the modern NEO-con, anti-America party soundly rejected him.

Notice to future Republicans: Party over country, always.

Pablo, well said. I will add it wasn't too hard for Romney to appear the "adult" in the room since, once Huntsman was booted out, his competition was Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, Cain, Santorum You are right, the more serious republicans stayed out of this race. For a couple reasons, in my view. 1) Because they hope the radical right goes away by 2016. 2) At the time they needed to jump in the race, the economy was adding large numbers of jobs every month, unemployment was decreasing (until the GOP Congress's obstruction since Jan 2011 finally caught up).

As for Jeb Bush, he knew this country was not ready for another Bush and may not be for years. Regardless that Jeb Bush seems smarter and less far right, he carries an albatross around his neck named George W. Not sure voters, who aren't die-hard republicans, can look at Jeb Bush without remembering his brother's failures, his brother's mess.

Pablo, think Hillary '16

Exito - that is exactly what I was going to say! Pablo said "no real Democratic leader to run against"....Never underestimate Hillary Clinton. She has definitely shown herself to be a real leader.

Have you taken your medication today? Because it doesn't sound like it.

If Romney could have gotten away with paying NO TAXES, he would have.

In his own words, he said that he pays what he has to in taxes, not a penny more.

If you could pay NO TAXES, you would to.....if not, youcan always send in a check

WOW, thank you for sharing this info and the website link. I was totally amazed that people earning up to $2.2 million are not paying any income tax. I guess in some small way they are helping with unemployment by hiring accountants and tax attorneys.

Obamabot, you, or whoever wrote it, need to send that back to your editor. It's full of grammatical errors.

Obama/Biden 2012

I'm not seeing the upset in the polls today

Probably because the polls were taken before the video was released? Hurp.

Maybe. But I still don't see this affecting the polls much. I think it's dangerous for Obama to encourage a wider audience to listen to Romney about the economy.

NorCal - The truth is, Romney's remarks accurately reflect the values of the republican party.

There are some republicans who would differ with you like David Brooks, Bill Kristol, Peggy Noonan, Joe Scarborough. This will affect polling as this video is played and Romney attempts to explain it.

But I already know what they think. How about you? You actually think that the 47% who pay other taxes, but not income taxes believe themselves to be victims, haven't taken responsibility for themselves and look at government involvement as a necessary entitlement?

Happen to see John Stewart's take on Mitt's quips? It was noted that George Romney once was on welfare but rose to become successful. There are still success stories in America but not according to Mitt.

Your moniker is NorCalMODERATE right?

Mark, here's what I think -- 47% of the population pay NO income taxes AT ALL. Hopefully this will *FINALLY* help the general public to understand that no, you do NOT pay more income taxes than Mitt Romney. (Admittedly, there's little chance of that understanding actually happening, but one can hope.) But wouldn't it be great if people actually understood the difference between your effective tax rate and your tax bracket? Sigh.

As for Romney's words, I agree with David Brooks on this. Romney is by nature more of a moderate, and he's struggling with the RWNJ persona.

Hmm. an honest response back without a snide remark. I apologize if you took offense to my previous post to you, hard to know who is a real poster and someone just meaning to rant against you.

That said, I see where you are coming from about effective and actual tax brackets however I disagree. The upper middle class and the rich may pay more of the tax burden percentage as a whole, but the question more important to me is how does it affect them. For example, Romney may pay a whole lot more actual dollars than me who makes a 100th or a 1000th of his income. However, the 25% or so of my money that is taxed will affect me or someone like me a whole lot more. Hypothetically speaking if I were to make a combined family income of $100,000 and 25% went to taxes how is it fair that Romney pays a strictly investment rate of 15% of his let say $10,000,000 annual income? In addtion what about payroll taxes? Why is it that my full taxable income, the hypothetical $100k is taxed at its full amount for the 6.2% Social Security tax while Romney's full income is not addressed because of the SS cap of $110k? This amounts to no SS tax on $9,890,000 of Romney's annual income.

With my $75K of left over income, I have to pay my mortgage, car payments if I had any outstanding, save for college, buy food, insuracne, utilities, groceries etc. Romney on the other hand would still have some $8.5 million annually to invest in the Caymans, stash in Swiss accounts or do with as he pleased. Romney and his types can be taxed more. In reality if we are to seriously deal with the deficit, people like me need to be taxed more as well.

Whether Romney is forcing a persona or not, I don't think that his thinking or whoever he is mimicking is good for the US going forward.

No offense taken, Mark!

Romney may pay a whole lot more actual dollars than me who makes a 100th or a 1000th of his income. However, the 25% or so of my money that is taxed will affect me or someone like me a whole lot more.

how is it fair that Romney pays a strictly investment rate of 15% of his let say $10,000,000 annual income? In addtion what about payroll taxes? Why is it that my full taxable income, the hypothetical $100k is taxed at its full amount for the 6.2% Social Security tax while Romney's full income is not addressed because of the SS cap of $110k? This amounts to no SS tax on $9,890,000 of Romney's annual income.

Here's how it's fair, although I'm answering a question with another question. How is it fair that we take a greater percentage of wealthy people's money, just because they are successful? What is fair about punishing people for being successful? Because I see a disproportionate tax rate as a punishment.

I've been below the poverty line for the vast majority of my life. Never, not once, did I feel comfortable walking up the street to the wealthy neighborhood and asking for their money because I felt like I could use it more. Yet that's what an outrageously progressive tax system does. (I do support a progressive system, just not as heavily progressive as Obama is proposing. )

Another experience I had -- my spouse worked for a company that, as a supplement to his regular job, gave him a percentage of his sales as part of his income. He ran with that, worked his butt off to do well at his regular job and the sales part, and started making a lot of money for himself and for his boss. When his boss saw this, she called him into his office. Instead of giving him an atta-boy for making the company more money, she told him that his percentage of his sales was going to go down because he was making too much money for his position.

It was crazy! And it happened more than once!! Eventually, he gave up on the sales part of the job because it was more trouble than it was worth (and very frustrating for him, honestly. Made him very grumpy.) It wasn't what he was hired to do, anyway. In the end, he wound up getting fired because of it. (Which didn't help with the whole poverty situation.)

So, from personal experience, I can see that taxing productivity -- that punishing people for making more -- is not fair.

The social security issue -- the reason why this is fair is because what is given back to you in retirement is a fixed amount. Fixed amount in, fixed amount out. You'll get back a much greater amount, percentage wise, of your income than Mitt Romney will.

The 15% issue -- Mitt Romney is basically retired!! You and I will have the same rate on our retirement funds. I'd hate to raise that rate, because I worry about how it would affect the retirement rates of everyone else who has savings in the market.

Hope this helps explain it. I know not everyone agrees with me, clearly, but I can't help but have my life experiences shape my political ideas. And I acknowledge that the life experiences of the people who disagree with me 100% are just as valid for them.

Mitt Romney is certainly a flawed candidate. But I'm willing to take a risk on him; I have hope that he actually can speed up the recovery.

NorCalModerate - Point taken about your life and experiences shaping your politics, thanks for sharing. However, we will have to disagree about the idea that taxing an extra 4% (revising to Clinton era rates) is a punishment to the downtrodden rich. You do realize that Obama's tax policy toward corporate rates are similary close to what the Debt commission and the GOP requested. Where they differ greatly is the GOP insistence to reward companies with tax breaks to ship American jobs overseas.

Outside of tax talk, I think we can both keep our chins up. Housing appears to be coming back, buying and building as well as housing values. Economists have projected that jobs will finally recover and the economy will grow. It is time, there is too much money being sat on by big business. Demand is growing and eventually the same labor force will not be able to supply what is required, so business will hire.

The thing I will propose is that very little of our recovery will depend on who is President. If Romney wins without doing a single thing, passing an economic bill or jobs legislation he will be given credit when the economy turns. If Obama wins, I seriously think that Washington will have to stop this impasse and work together to pass legislation that will help the American people. Eventually, perhaps grudgingly the GOP will work with him. I can bet his bipartisan legislation working with GOP will look a lot more moderate and right leaning than Romney legislation that will not need to be bipartisan and can afford to be far right.

I just happen to believe that my side will be more moderate and help us recover, (people like you and me) in lieu of the rich. We can grow better if we are growing from the middle out instead of the top heavy trickle down. The other big difference in the choices, I think outside of economic matters is that a GOP 3peat of both branches excecutive and legislative would be harmful. It will bring in a strong social agenda to in their mind "fix" the progressive tax system, "fix/cut" the safety social net, "fix/amend" the public contract to American infrastructure, investment and education.

By the way I am in Texas so to your point about California, both of our votes aren't going to swing this election. :}

That's why Justice is depicted, holding her scales, with a blindfold on. She is indifferent to words like deserving and downtrodden. She only promotes what is fair for everyone, regardless of income level.

Agreed, the president is not going to make a huge difference, one way or the other. They'll both get the "oh crap" top secret folder that explains why we're doing what we're doing, and why we'll continue to do it that way in spite of campaign promises. And hopefully, whatever happens, congress won't be such a gridlock this time around.

And can we please do something about the effing electoral college??? :)

Where did you get your false info. Obama has been great for this country. He is for personal responsibility and education which is the primary way to get out of poverty. But have you listened to Rick Santorum and his snob remarks.Do you listen to snarky Newt Gingrich who used to send flyers telling people to be nasty regarding dems.Do you listen to all the parent financed want to be people. As a repub I used to think that the Dems wanted to hold people in poverty for votes. But now I think the republicans do. It must be for power. You see when people are educated and feel good about themselves you don't have power over them. And they vote for who they want. They make their own decisions. Is it competition you are worried about. That your parents college education for you won't cut it anymore when you m ight have to do some work instead of loafing for dollars.You may not get your cushy job because you have competition. And you prefer someone who made part of his fortune using communist tactics in China and someone who got into politics because of a Russian Athiest which he doesn't deny. And no Romney doesn't have the education and experience. Because that would show in his actions. And he has not done ONE THING to act like he has the slightest bit of intelligence. We dummies here in America can even see that. He is all about wearing jeans and having white sideburns and his wife yelling we love you women and talking to the brethen about them varmits. That is all superficial crap. And when it doesn't work it backfires and people can tell you are phony. Phony and fake. While we are out hunting our varmits and measuring our trees we run into real people in the backhills not phonies who act like we are ignorant. And when we go to hardware stores we buy parts for doors or to fix things around the house, we don't buy hardware stuff. And husbands don't usually buy their shirts in a 3 pack at costco and wash and iron them themselves. In fact everything these two elitest snobs do show they have no clue how to be a human in America. So they may as well try something new and just be themselves. Because when we are chasing them thar varmits we know rich people too and even some of us are rich. Ever think of that. Because we got some of that education you guys want to keep from us. We are not as dependent as you want to say we are. And we act the way we want to. We don't have to put on airs. That is worse than anything Obama will ever do. America is not ignorant but some who want to lead us clearly are. And maybe that is why he is so resentful and has to say stupid things in quiet rooms when he has no clue he is being videoed. And besides maybe if he hadn't made so many remarks about Jimmy Carter his grandson wouldn't have looked for and found the tape. Is that called poetic justic or what? I think it is. I say keep looking Jimmy. This was fun! Gives us intelligent people something to do when we are bored.