Full video and transcript of leaked Romney fundraiser remarks

The campaign discussion was dominated Tuesday by remarks made by Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney at a May 17 fundraiser in Boca Raton, Fla., which were surreptitiously recorded by an anonymous source and surfaced Monday evening. 

The video was first obtained by Mother Jones magazine and published on its website. The full video of Romney’s remarks has also been obtained by NBC News and is included in two parts below, along with the full transcript.


 

Watch Part 1 of a surreptitiously-recorded video of Mitt Romney speaking to donors at a May 17 fundraiser, which was held at the home of private equity mogul Mark Leder. The video was was first obtained by Mother Jones magazine and later by NBC News.

Watch part 2 of a surreptitiously-recorded video of Mitt Romney speaking to donors at a May 17 fundraiser, which was held at the home of private equity mogul Mark Leder. The video was was first obtained by Mother Jones magazine and later by NBC News.

 

 

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(This is a rush transcript. Accuracy is not guaranteed.)

MITT ROMNEY:  (IN PROGRESS) -- time.  And I guess everybody here is a dignitary and I appreciate your-- your help.  And, by the way, I am serious about the food.  Bring that doug-- doughnuts (?) so-- just try and clear and place-- places and-- and-- but Hillary has to eat her beets.  (LAUGHTER) Okay?

I-- I'm gonna-- because of-- the table is small enough and the room is-- intimate enough I'd like to-- spend our time-- respond to questions you have.  Listening to advice you might have.  Occasionally, as-- as I did just a moment ago, I get envelopes like that, which is-- and I'll open this.  It'll be campaign ideas.  "Why don't you talk about the following issue?"  So I'm happy to take advice and then we can all vote on whether it's a good piece of advice or bad piece of advice.  (LAUGHTER)

And-- and so we'll-- we'll-- we'll get a chance to do that.  But I-- I'm-- I'm lookin' to get your-- your perspectives.  I-- just to tell you a couple of things you may not know about me.  You probably know that I'm the father of five and-- and grandfather now of 18.  I-- my oldest son this past-- had two-- had twins-- just last week.  And-- so our-- our grandchild nest is getting larger.  And they are a source of great joy.

When I was-- when I was probably halfway through my career at Bain consulting I met with a lawyer to draft a will.  And-- and she said, "How do you divide what estate you might eventually have?"  And I said-- (LAUGH) I-- I didn't have anything at that point.  I said, "I wanna divide it equally among my five sons."

And she said, "Well, how much will you wanna give to the grandchildren that they will ultimately have?"  And I said, "Well, I don't wanna give anything to the-- to the grandchildren.  I'll-- I'll give it to the sons and they in turn will give it to their-- their children as needed."  And she said, "You'll change your mind."  I said,  "No.  No, I don't think so."  So I saw her not long ago.  And I said, "I don't wanna give anything to my sons.  I wanna give (LAUGHTER) it all--" and-- so the-- (UNINTEL PHRASE).  My grand--

MALE VOICE:  So you-lost Samantha's vote (UNINTEL PHRASE).  (LAUGHTER)

MITT ROMNEY:  But this-- it-- it's not--

MALE VOICE:  That's my daughter.  (LAUGHTER)

MITT ROMNEY:  --it-- it's not just because-- I love my grandchildren, as I do.  I-- (CLUNKING) love my sons and daughters-in-law.  It's that I'm very concerned about what the nation is gonna be like over the coming-- decade or two.  And-- and I-- and I really do.

As I said in my remarks earlier, I see these two very different scenarios.  One is-- has-- America really powering the world economy with an extraordinary economy here, with China working with us, wanting to see stability in the world-- and-- a very vibrant America with freedom and-- and-- and prosperity for-- the great-- bulk of the American people.  On the other si-- other hand, I really do see something like Europe.  And-- and I think that's the path we're on right now.  So that-- that-- that's why I-- I wanna make sure that what I-- what little I'll have left after the campaigns goes to my-- (LAUGHTER) goes to my-- my grandchildren.

That's one piece of-- about me that you may not know.  The other is just about my-- my heritage.  My dad, you probably know, was-- was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company, but he was born in Mexico.  And-- had he been born of Mexican parents I'd have a better shot of winning this, but he was-- (LAUGHTER) unfortunately born of Americans living in Mexico.  They'd lived there for a number of years.  And-- I mean I say that jokingly, but it'd be helpful to be-- Latino.  And--

FEMALE VOICE:  You can pull an Elizabeth Warren.

MITT ROMNEY:  Pardon?

FEMALE VOICE:  Pull an Elizabeth Warren.

MITT ROMNEY: Yeah, that's right.  That's right.  I can (UNINTEL) say.  Folks who don't know Elizabeth Warren-- (FEMALE VOICE:  UNINTEL) --she's the woman who's running for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts -- (OVERTALK)

--who-- who said that she's Cherokee and has put on her application over the years that she's Cherokee and Harvard put down that she's one of their minority-- faculty members.  It turns out that at most she's 1/32nd Cherokee.  (LAUGH) And even that can't be proven.  So-- at any event, I mean I could put down my dad was born in Mexico and leave it at that.  (LAUGHTER)

But-- but-- but his-- his dad was in construction, very successful, in Mexico, but in America went broke more than once.  So my dad never had the money or time to get a college degree.  Without a college degree, became head of a big car company and ultimately governor.  And-- and believed in America.  Believed in the opportunity of this country.  Never doubted for a moment that he could achieve his dreams.

And Ann's dad, my wife's dad, was born in Wales.  His dad was a coal miner.  This coal miner got injured in a coal mining accident.  Realizing that there was no future there for him or his four children, then he came to Detroit and-- worked in the auto factories until he could save enough money to bring his kids over, which he did.

And-- and then they got together as a family and said, "You know, to be successful in America you've gotta get an education."  And they couldn't afford an education.  And the kids and the parents said, "You know, if we all work and we all save we could afford to send one of us to college."  And they-- they sent my wife's dad.  Can you imagine working every day, taking a couple of jobs and saving your money so that your brother could go to-- I mean I would never do that for my brother.  (LAUGHTER)

But, you know, it-- so he went to college and got a degree at the General Motors Institute of Technology, which-- which is one of these programs where you work a semester and then you go to school a semester.  And-- and-- and then after it was over he started a little company.  He became more successful and he was able to hire his brothers and his brother-in-law and-- and provide for them in an extraordinary way.

By the way, both-- both my dad and Ann's dad did quite well in their lives-- but when they came to the end of their lives and-- and passed along the inheritances to Ann and to me, we both decided to give it all away.  So I have inherited nothing.  Everything that Ann and I have, we have-- we earned the-- old fashioned way.  And that's (APPLAUSE) by hard work (UNINTEL PHRASE).  I see that all--

MALE VOICE:  You've just lost the (UNINTEL) vote for a second time.  (LAUGHTER)

FEMALE VOICE: (UNINTEL PHRASE) jokes (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MITT ROMNEY:  I say that because there's a perception that, "Oh, you were born with a silver spoon.  You know, you never had to earn anything," and so forth.  And-- and-- and I-- frankly I was born with a silver spoon, which is the greatest gift you could have, which is to get born in America.  And I'll say there is-- let me-- 95% of life is-- is-- is set up for you if you're born in this country.

And I remember going to-- to-- sorry just to bore you with stories, but I was-- when I was back in my private equity days we went to China to buy a factory there.  It employed about 20,000 people.  And they were almost all-- young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23.  They were saving for potentially becoming married and they work in these huge factories.  They made various-- small appliances.

And-- as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day and the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with-- with little bathrooms at the end of maybe 10-- 10-- rooms.  And the-- and the rooms, they had 12 girls per-- per room.  Three bunk beds-- on top of each other.  And you've seen 'em.  You've seen 'em.

MALE VOICE:  Oh yeah.

MITT ROMNEY:  And-- and-- and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence of barbed wire, and guard towers.  And-- and we said, "Gosh, I can't believe that you-- you know, you keep these girls in."  They said, "No, no, no.  This is to keep other people from coming in, because people want so badly to come work in this factory that we have to keep them out or they'll just come in here and start working and-- and-- and try and get compensated.  So we-- this is to keep people out."

And they said, "Actually, at Chinese New Year's the girls go home.  Sometimes they've decided they've saved enough money and they don't come back to the factory."  And he said-- and so on-- on the weekend after Chinese New Year there'll be a line of people, hundreds long, outside the factory, hoping that some girls haven't come back and they can come to the factory.

And-- and so as we were experiencing this for-- for the first time for me to see a factory like this in China several years ago, the-- the Bain partner I was with turned to me and said, "You know, 95% of life is settled if you're born in America."  The-- this is-- this is an amazing land.  And-- and what we have is-- is unique.  And fortunately it is so special we're sharing it with the world.

I am-- I am concerned about the future but also optimistic, as I say.  I-- I-- I look forward to getting America back on track and having-- and having people-- plan on-- on-- on bringing their-- their ideas and their dreams to this country.  We need big dreamers, by the way.

I'm just-- just-- we didn't talk about immigration today, but gosh I'd like to bring in more legal immigrants that have skill and knowledge.  I'd like to staple a green card to every PhD in the world and say, "Come to America.  We want you here."  Instead we-- we make it hard for people who get educated here or elsewhere to make this their home.

Unless, of course, you have no skill or experience, in which case you're welcome to cross the border and stay here (LAUGH) the rest of your life.  It's a very strange setup-- run by people who don't understand that we're in a global competition of ideas and-- and our idea has to win, but only if America remains strong.  Well, with that as an introduction-- I-- I-- I'm gonna turn to you for counsel, advice or questions.  Policy questions.  Wanna talk about tax policy?  Or-- or political questions.  How I win?  Please.

MALE VOICE:  One comment, Governor.

MITT ROMNEY: Yes.

MALE VOICE:  The debates are gonna be coming and I hope at the right moment you can turn to President Obama, look at the American people and say, "If you vote to reelect President Obama you're voting to bankrupt the United States."  I hope you keep that in your quiver, because that's what's gonna happen.  And I think it's gonna be very effective.  In some (UNINTEL).

MITT ROMNEY:  Yeah.  Yeah.  It's-- it's interesting.  There's-- the former head of-- Goldman Sachs, John Whitehead-- was also the former head of the New York Federal Reserve and-- and I met with him and he said, "As soon as the Fed stops buying all the debt that we're issuing--" which they've been doing.  The Feds buy like 3/4 of the debt that America issues.

He said, "Once-- once that over-- that's over," he said, "we're gonna have a failed Treasury option.  Interest rates are gonna have to go up.  You know, we're-- we're-- we're living in this borrowed-- fantasy world where-- where the government keeps on borrowing money."  You know, we-- we borrow this extra trillion a year.  We wonder, "Well, who's-- who's loaning against the Treasury?  The Chinese aren't loaning to us anymore.  The Russians aren't loaning it to us anymore.  So who's giving us a trillion?"

And the answer is we're just making it up.  The Federal Reserve is-- is just taking it and saying, "Here, we're-- we're giving--" it's just made up money.  And-- and this-- this does not augur well-- for-- for our economic future.  No.  I mean I-- you know, some of these things are-- are complex enough it's not easy for people to understand, but your-- your point of saying bankruptcy usually concentrates the money.  Yeah, George?

GEORGE:  Governor, to you-- to your point on complexity, how-- as you travel around America and talk to people in larger groups, perhaps people with different backgrounds or people who are sort of-- to what extent do people really understand that we're hurtling toward a cliff?  And to what extent do people really understand the severity of the-- of the-- fiscal situation we're in?  Do people get it?

MITT ROMNEY:  They-- they don't.  They-- by and large, people-- people don't get it.  People in our party-- and part of this is our fault, because we've been talking about deficits (RUSTLING) and debt--

MALE VOICE:  Right.

MITT ROMNEY:  --for about 25 or 30 years as a party and so they've heard us say it and say it and say it.  The-- the fact that Greece is going through what it's going through, and they read about France and Italy and Spain, has-- has finally made this issue topical for the American people.

And so when you do polls and you ask people, "What is the biggest issue in the 2012 election?"  Number one is the economy and jobs by a wide margin.  But number two is the deficit.  And-- but the debt and the-- that doesn't-- that doesn't calculate for folks, but the deficit does.  They're-- they're-- they recognize you can't go on forever like this, although the people who recognize that tend to be Republican.  And the people who don't recognize it tend to be Democrat.  And what we have to get is that 5% or 10% in the middle who-- who sometimes vote Republican, sometimes vote Democrat and-- and have them understand how important this is.

It-- it's-- I mean it's a challenge.  I mean I-- I did the calculation-- for folks today.  And USA Today publishes this every year.  It's a front page story.  The-- the headline once a year that somehow-- escapes people's attention.  And that is if you take the-- the total national debt and the unfunded liabilities of Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid, the amount of debt plus unfunded liabilities per household in America is $520,000.  Per household.

MALE VOICE:  Which is like 12 times their income.  Right?

MITT ROMNEY:  At-- at least.

MALE VOICE:  Ten times (UNINTEL).

MITT ROMNEY:  Yeah, yeah.  Ten, 12 times their income.  And-- and-- and even though we're not gonna be writing a check for that amount per household, they're gonna be paying the interest on that.  You will be paying the interest on that.  (LAUGHTER) Because we will-- my generation will be long gone and you'll be paying the interest.

And so you'll be paying taxes not only for the things you want in your generation, but for all the things we spent money on, which is just-- I mean it's-- it's extraordinary to think that tax rates-- someone calculated what would happen if we don't change Medicare or Social Security, the tax rate-- you know what the payroll tax is now?  It's 15.3%.  If we don't change those programs that tax rate will have to ultimately rise to 44%.  (MALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

The payroll tax.  Then there's the income tax on top, which the president wants to take to 40%.  Then there's state tax in most states and-- sales tax and so forth.  You end up having to take 100% of people's income.  And yet the president, three and a half years in, won't talk about reforming Social Security or Medicare.

And when the Republicans do, it's the, "Oh, you're throwing Granny off the cliff."  It's like, "You're killing the kids."  The-- the biggest surprise that I have is that young people will vote for a Democrat.  They look at this and say, "Holy cow.  The only guys that are worried about the future of our country and our future are Republicans."  But the-- the Democrats-- you know, they-- they talk about social issues, drawing the young people, and-- and they vote on that issue.  It's like-- I mean there won't be any houses like this if-- (LAUGH) if-- if-- if we stay on the road we're on.

MALE VOICE:  So-- (OVERTALK)

MITT ROMNEY:  But he-- yeah?  I heard-- I heard a voice.  (MALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)  That's all right.  Please.

FEMALE VOICE:  Governor Romney, we are former Bostonians.  And we will talk about how we know you.  (LAUGHTER)

MITT ROMNEY:  Uh-oh.

FEMALE VOICE:  And-- no, no.  (UNINTEL) good.

MITT ROMNEY:  Yeah, okay.

MALE VOICE:  'Cause we-- (OVERTALK)

FEMALE VOICE:  And--

MITT ROMNEY:  --pleasure.  Thank you.

FEMALE VOICE:  We-- hopefully agree to what you say economically, but I would like to know-- I mean-- and I would like you-- and I would like there to be much more discussion on what I consider the real big issues.  And the real big issues are Iran and how would you your point of view differ from President Obama's?

MITT ROMNEY:  Yeah, thank you.  And-- and I-- by the way, start eating.  Those who have-- those of you who have food in front of you, it's warm.  Start eating.  This has meant-- I'm standing up so I can see you, but I'm not standing up so that you have to stop and look at me.  So-- (LAUGH) and it's important to look at your food as you're eating it.  All right?  (LAUGHTER)  Don't wanna see you putting a fork in your finger here.  (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION)

MITT ROMNEY:  And you are right, which is-- a nuclear Iran is an unthinkable outcome.  Not just for our friends in Israel and our friends in Europe, but also for us because Iran is the state sponsor of terror in the world.  Has Hezbollah now throughout Latin America.  Hezbollah with fissile material.

I mean if I were Iran, if I were Iran-- I mean-- and-- and a crazed fanatic, I'd say, "Let's get a little fissile-- material to Hezbollah and have them carry it to Chicago or some other place.  And then if anything goes wrong or America starts acting up, we'll just say, 'And guess what?  Unless you stand down, why, we're gonna let off a dirty bomb.'"  I mean this-- this is where we have-- where America can be held up and blackmailed by Iran.  By the mullahs.  By crazy people.  So-- so we really don't-- have any option but to keep Iran from having-- a nuclear weapon.

I'll give the specific on Iran and then maybe talk more broadly about foreign policy.  The specific on Iran is-- we should have put in place crippling sanctions at the beginning of the president's term.  We did not.  He will say, "Yes, but Russia wouldn't go along with us."

Well, he gave Russia their number one foreign policy objective.  For a decade all they've cared about is getting the missile defense sites out of Poland.  And he gave them that and got nothing in return.  He could have, I presume, gotten them to agree to crippling sanctions against Iran.  He did not, which is, in my opinion, one of the greatest foreign policy errors of the modern time.

And, by the way, if he-- if-- if he could not have gotten that from Russia he should have kept the missile defense sites in Poland-- just-- just to keep a bargaining chip on the table.  I mean-- put nothing in 'em if he wants to.  I mean I would have kept-- I would have kept 'em.  I wouldn't have traded 'em away.  But that's-- that's where he was.

Number two, we should have been aggressively supporting the voice of the dissent in Iran.  And when there was an effort towards revolution there we should have been aggressively supporting it.  And, finally, we should have made it clear, at least by now, that we have military plans to potentially remove their-- their nuclear capabilities.

That doesn't mean we actually pull the trigger, but it means that we have-that we communicate to them that we're ready to-- to do so.  And that it is unacceptable to America to have-- a nuclear Iran.  Instead, what this administration has done is communicate to the Iranians that we're more worried about Israel attacking them than we are about them becoming nuclear.  It's-- it's extraordinary.

So-- those are-- those are some thoughts directed at Iran.  I'll-- I'll step back.  Foreign policy.  The president's foreign policy, in my opinion, is formed in part by a perception he has that his magnetism and his charm and his persuasiveness is so compelling that he can sit down with people like Putin and Chavez and-- and Ahmadinejad and-- and that they'll find we're such wonderful people that they'll go along with us.  And-- and they'll stop doing bad things.

And it's an extraordinarily naive-- perception and has led to-- huge errors in-- in North Korea, in-- in Iraq-- obviously in Iran and Egypt.  Around the world.  My own view is that-- that the centerpiece of American foreign policy has to be strength.  Everything I do will be calculated to increasing America's strength.

When you stand by your allies you increase your strength.  When you attack your allies you become weaker.  When you stand by your principles you get stronger.  When you have a big military, that's bigger than anyone else's, you're stronger.  I want to-- when you have a strong economy, you build American strength.  For me, everything is about strength.

And-- and communicating to people what is and is not acceptable.  It's speaking softly but carrying a very, very, very big stick.  And this president has-- speaks loudly and carries a tiny stick.  And-- and that-- that is-- you know, that-- that's not the right course for a foreign policy.  I-- I saw Dr. Kissinger in-- in New York.  You're not eating.  (LAUGHTER)

MALE VOICE:  I'm mesmerized.  (LAUGHTER)

MITT ROMNEY:  He's bored to tears.  I saw Dr. Kissinger.  I said to him-- "How are we perceived around the world?"  And he said, "One word, veek."  (LAUGHTER) We are weak.  And-- and that's has this president is perceived-- by our friends and-- and-- and-- and unfortunately by our foes.

And-- and it's-- it's no-- it's no wonder that Kim Jong-on-- the new leader of North Korea, announces a long range missile test only a week after he said he wouldn't.  Because it's like, "What's this president gonna do about it?"  You know, if you can't-- you know, if you can't act, why don't-- don't threaten.  Please.

MALE VOICE:  Just to follow up on the Iran-- (OVERTALK)

MITT ROMNEY: --by the way.  Yes.  Yeah, I just wanna show you how it's done.  You take this.  (UNINTEL) your fork.  (LAUGHTER) Put it in.  No.

MALE VOICE:  But just to follow the president (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MITT ROMNEY:  I'm sorry.  I'm sorry.  Please, go ahead.

MALE VOICE:  So this (UNINTEL) president we had possibly, Ronald Reagan was able to make a statement even before he became-- was actually sworn in.  The hostages were released.

MITT ROMNEY:  On the day of his inauguration.

MALE VOICE:  Right.  So my question is will the-- how can you sort of duplicate that scenario this time?

MITT ROMNEY:  I'm gonna ask you--

MALE VOICE:  With the (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MITT ROMNEY:  --I'm gonna ask you how do I duplicate that scenario.

MALE VOICE:  I think that that's due to the fact that-- the Iranians perceived Reagan would do something to really get them out.  In other words, that he had strength and that's why I'm (UNINTEL) on your (UNINTEL) about strength.  And that's why I'm suggesting that some-- something that you say over the next few months gets the Iranians to understand that their pursuit of a bomb is something that-- that you would predict (?).  And I think that's something that-- that could possibly resonate very well with the American public and voters.

MITT ROMNEY:  I-- I appreciate the idea.  I-- I-- I can't-- one of the things that's frustrating me is that-- on a typical day like this when I do three or four events like this, the number of foreign policy questions I get are between zero and one.  And the American people (LAUGHTER) are not--  (FEMALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

--are not concentrated at all upon China, on Russia, Iran, Iraq.  This president's failure to put in place a Status of Forces agreement, allowing 10,000 to 20,000 troops to stay in Iraq?  Unthinkable.  And-- and yet in-- in that election, in the Jimmy Carter election, the-- the fact that we had hostages in-- in-- in Iran, I mean that was all we talked about.

And we had the two helicopters crash in the desert.  I mean that's-- that was-- that was the focus.  And so him solving that made all the difference in the world.  I'm afraid today if you simply got Iran to agree to stand down on their nuclear weapon they'd go-- you know, hold on.  It's really-- you know, but-- but, by the way, if something of that nature-- presents itself, I-- I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity.  Please.  Yes?

FEMALE VOICE:  But tonight's your lucky night.  More foreign policy.  (LAUGHTER)

MITT ROMNEY:  Yes.  Huge (UNINTEL).

FEMALE VOICE:  (UNINTEL) actually this time you were in (UNINTEL).  And we appreciate you being there.   How do you think that the Palestinian problem can be solved?  And what-- what are you going to do about it?

MITT ROMNEY:  I-- I'm torn by two perspectives in this regard.  One is the one which I have had for some time, which is that the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace-- and that the-- and that the-- the pathway to peace is-- almost unthinkable to-- to accomplish.

Now why do I say that?  Some might say, "Well, just let the Palestinians have the West Bank and-- and have security and-- and-- and-- and set up-- a separate nation for the Palestinians."  And then-- and then come a couple of thorny questions.  And I-- I don't have a map here to look at the geography.  But-- but-- the border between Israel and the West Bank is obviously right there, right next to-- to Tel Aviv, which is the-- the financial capital, the industrial capital of Israel.  The center of Israel.  It's--  (MALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

--well, the border would be maybe seven miles from Tel Aviv to what would be the West Bank.

MALE VOICE:  Nine.

MITT ROMNEY:  Nine miles.  Okay.  (LAUGHTER) (UNINTEL) close.  Nine miles (UNINTEL).  The challenge is the other side--

MALE VOICE:  Don't go (UNINTEL).

MITT ROMNEY:  --on the West Bank--

MALE VOICE: --don't go head-to-head with (UNINTEL).

MITT ROMNEY:  The other side of the West Bank, the other side of what would be this new Palestinian state, would either be Syria at one point or-- or Jordan.  And-- and of course the Iranians would want to do through the West Bank exactly what they did through Lebanon.  What they did-- into Gaza.  Which is the Iranians would wanna bring missiles and armament into the West Bank and potentially threaten Israel.

So Israel of course would have to say, "That can't happen.  We've got to keep the Iranians from bringing weaponry into the West Bank."  Well, that means that who, the Israelis, are gonna-- are gonna-- patrol the border between Jordan, Syria and-- and this new Palestinian nation?  Oh, the Palestinians would say, "No way.  We're an independent country.  You can't-- you can't bor-- you know, guard our border with other Arab nations."

And-- and how about the airport?  How about flying near to this Palestinian nation?  Are we going to allow-- their military aircraft to come in and-- and weaponry to come in?  And if not, who's gonna keep it from coming in?  Well, the Israelis.  Well-- the Palestinians are gonna say, "We're not an independent nation if Israel is able to come in and tell us who can land at our airport."

These are problems.  And they're very hard to solve.  (LAUGH) All right?  And I look at the Palestinians not wanting to seek peace anyway for political purposes.  Committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel and these thorny issue-- thorny issues, that I say there's just no way.  And so what you do is you say you-- you move things along the best way you can.

You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize this is gonna remain unsolved problem.  We-- we live with in-- in China and Taiwan.  All right?  We have-- we have-- a potentially-- volatile situation, but we sort of live with it.  And we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately somehow, something will happen to resolve it.  We don't-- we don't go to war to-- to try and-- resolve it imminently.

On the other hand, I got a call from a former secretary of State-- and I won't mention which one it was.  But this individual said to me-- "You know, I think there is a prospect for-- for-- a settlement between the Palestinians and the Israelis-- after the Palestinian elections."  I said, "Really?"

And-- you know, his answer was-- was, "Yes.  I think there's some prospect."  And I-- and I didn't-- delve into it, but, you know, I always-- keep open-- I mean I always keep open the idea-- I should tell you, the idea of pushing on the Israelis to give something up to give the paleshin-- to get the Palestinians to act is the worst idea in the world.  We have done that time and time and time again.  It does not work.

MALE VOICE:  That's (UNINTEL).

MITT ROMNEY:  So-- so this-- the-- the only answer is show strength.  Again, American strength, American resolve.  As the Palestinians-- someday reach the point where they want peace more than we're tryin' to put-- force peace on them.  And then it's worth having the discussion.  But till then it's just-- it's this legal (?) thing.  (MALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

But it-- you can sit down and (UNINTEL), (OVERTALK)

MALE VOICE:  I think the--

MITT ROMNEY:  --do you notice--

MALE VOICE:  --afterwards?

MITT ROMNEY:  Please.  (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MALE VOICE: (UNINTEL) like--

FEMALE VOICE:  Well--

MALE VOICE:  -- (UNINTEL PHRASE) possible.  (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION)

FEMALE VOICE:  The individuals in this room obviously are your supporters.  I am very concerned about the average American who doesn't know you.  There is-- a terrible misconception and I spend numerous hours trying to-- I hate (UNINTEL) the (UNINTEL) when you are in such a deserving individual.

You were saying years ago-- on a call with George Bush, Senior, and he had-- he called me in my campaign in Massachusetts when you were running for Senate.  I told him that there is a guy named Clinton who's going to beat him for following reasons."  And he laughed.

Right now I'm very concerned.  Women do not wanna be-- vote for you.  Hispanics, the majority of 'em do not wanna vote for you.  College students don't.  After talking to them and explaining and (UNINTEL) on a one-on-one basis, we are able to change their opinions, but on a mass level, how-- how-- what do you want us to do, this group here, as your emissaries, going out to convert these individuals to someone who's obviously gonna be such an incredible asset to the country.  We want you.

MITT ROMNEY:  Well--

FEMALE VOICE:  What do we do?

MITT ROMNEY:  --I have-- I have some--

FEMALE VOICE:  Just tell us how we can help you?

MITT ROMNEY:  --I have some good news for you.  It's not impossible.  And the reason I say that is, for instance, The New York Times had a poll last week.  The New York Times and NBC.  And I was leading by two points among women.  All right?  Now the president came out and he said, "This is an outrageous poll.  They don't know what they're doing."

But-- by the way, the polls at this stage make no difference at all.  But the point is women are-- are open to supporting me.  They like the president personally.  But they're disappointed.  They're disappointed with the jobs they're seeing for their kids.  They're disappointed with their own economic standing right now.  So we-- we can-- can capture-- women's votes.

We're having a much harder time with Hispanic voters.  And-- and if the Hispanic voting bloc-- be-- becomes as committed to the Democrats as the African American voting bloc has in-- in the past, why we're-- we're in trouble as a party and, I think, as a nation.

MALE VOICE:  Rubio.

FEMALE VOICE:  Exactly.

MITT ROMNEY:  And-- okay.  (OVERTALK)

MALE VOICE:  Don't (UNINTEL PHRASE).  Don't do it.

MITT ROMNEY:  And so on the (UNINTEL)--  (LAUGHTER) (OVERTALK)

We have some great-- we have some great Hispanic leaders in our party that will help communicate what our party stands for.  And-- what-- what I-- frankly, what I need you to do?  Just to raise millions of dollars, 'cause the president's gonna have about $800 to $900 million.  That-- and that's-- that's by far the most important thing you can do.

FEMALE VOICE:  Is find (UNINTEL).

MITT ROMNEY:  Because-- well, because you don't-- you-- you don't-- you don't have the capacity to speak to hundreds of thousands of people.  I will be in those debates.  There will be, I don't know, 150 million Americans watching me.  If I do well, it'll help.  If I don't, it won't help.

MALE VOICE:  You will do--

MITT ROMNEY:  Well--

MALE VOICE:  --so well.

MITT ROMNEY:  --well-- well--

MALE VOICE:  Your debates are incredible.  (APPLAUSE)

MITT ROMNEY:  Thank you.  Thanks.  But-- but advertising makes a difference.  And the president will engage in a personal-- character assassination campaign.  And-- and so we'll have to fire back one, in defense and number two, in offense.  And-- and that's-- that'll take money.  By the way, you'll see the ads here in Florida may be one of those states that-- that is-- that is the key state.  And-- and so all-- all the money will get spent in 10 states.  And this is one of them.

So I-- the best thing I can ask you to do-- I mean, yeah, sure, talk to people and tell 'em what-- how you know me.  And word of mouth makes a big difference.  But, you know, I-- I'm not terribly well known-- by the general American culture because we don't--  (OVERTALK)

FEMALE VOICE:  You're known as a rich boy.  I mean they say he's a rich boy.

MITT ROMNEY:  They don't-- (OVERTALK)

--but don't worry.  Given all--

FEMALE VOICE:  You're not.

MITT ROMNEY:  --given all those negative things, given all those negative things, the fact that I'm either tied or close to the president and the fact that, you know, he's out there talking about the one year anniversary of Osama bin Laden being captured, unemployment coming down, unleashing his campaign, new campaign, we're still sort of tied?  That's very interesting.  And-- and it's the-- (UNINTEL) please.

MALE VOICE:  I-- I would disagree with that.  I think a lot of young children coming out of college feel they were let down by the president.  And they feel that there's not a job out there for them.  And it's (UNINTEL) and it's 60,000, now they're making $30,000.  You know, very similar to the U6 (UNINTEL).  You know, on-- on (UNINTEL).

MITT ROMNEY:  Yeah, yeah.

MALE VOICE:  My question to you is why don't you stick up for yourself?  To me you should be so proud of your (UNINTEL).

FEMALE VOICE:  Right.

MALE VOICE:  That's what we all aspire to be.  (UNINTEL) ourselves.  We don't really (UNINTEL).  We're away from our families five days a week.  I'm away from my four girls five days a week and my wife.  Why not stick up for yourself and say, "Why is it bad to be-- to aspire to be wealthy and successful?"  You know, "Why is it bad to-- to-kill yourself and why is it bad to cut 30 jobs that net 300?"  You know, when you're people coveting-- cutting jobs.  You see companies that were strict-- that were failing in (UNINTEL PHRASE).  So my question is when does that, you know, doing?  (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MITT ROMNEY:  Well, I am--

MALE VOICE:  (UNINTEL) set (UNINTEL PHRASE).  (UNINTEL PHRASE) neighborhood.  And what can we (UNINTEL) up for nothing to (UNINTEL) president's success story (UNINTEL) yours, so--?

MITT ROMNEY:  If-- if you heard in my speech tonight, I-- I talked to 'em again.  But I didn't--  (MALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

Oh, you weren't here.

MALE VOICE:  He came here early, so he was (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MITT ROMNEY:  No, it-- in-- in every stump speech that I give I-- I speak about-- (MALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

--the fact that people who dream and achieve enormous success do not make us poorer.  They make us better off.  And the Republican audience that I typically speak to have (UNINTEL).  I said that tonight and the media's there.  And they-- they write about it.  They say that Romney defends success-- success in America and dreamers and so forth.  So they write about it.

But in terms of what gets through to the American consciousness-- that's-- I have very little influence on that at this stage.  As to what they write about.  And-- that will happen.  We'll have three debates.  We'll have a chance to talk about that in the debates.  There will be ads which attack me.

I will fire back in a way that describes-- in the best way we can the fact that if the theme of my speeches are-- are why-- wind up at-- at-- you know, the ambassador heard me today several time-- I wind up talking about how the thing which I find most disappointing in this president is his attack of-- of one America against another America-- America.

FEMALE VOICE:  Yes.

MITT ROMNEY:  The divi-- division of America, based on going after those who have been successful.  And then I quote Marco Rubio.  I tell-- in my speeches.  And I say, "Marco Rubio--" did I say-- I think what I said at the-- I (UNINTEL) at the fundraising event earlier today.  But I did when I was in-- Jacksonville.  (OVERTALK)

Exactly.  I just said, "Senator Rubio says--"  (FEMALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

--"when he grew up here poor, that they looked at people that had a lot of wealth.  And his parents never once said, 'We need some of what they have.  They should give us some.'  Instead they said, 'If we work hard and go to school, someday we might be able to have that.'"  That's-- (APPLAUSE) I will continue to do that.

How much of that gets picked up?  There are so many things that don't get picked up in a campaign-- because people aren't watching it.  By the way most people don't watch during the summer.  That's gonna-- we're gonna go into a season here, starting from mid-June, of almost no attention paid.  Then, after Labor Day, in September and October, that's when it'll get going.

MALE VOICE:  For the past three years, all everybody's been told is, "Don't worry.  We'll take care of it."  How are we gonna do it, in two months before the elections, to convince everybody you've gotta take care of yourself?

MITT ROMNEY:  Well, there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.  All right?  There are 47% who are with him.  Who are dependent upon government, who believe that-- that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they're entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, to you name it.  But that's-- it's an entitlement.  And the government should give it to them.  And they will vote for this president no matter what.

And-- and-- I mean the president starts off with 48%, 49%, 40-- or he-- he starts off with a huge number.  These are people who pay no income tax.  47% of Americans pay no income taxes.  So our message of low taxes doesn't connect.  And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich.  I mean that's what they sell every-- every four years.

And-- and so my job is not to worry about those people.  I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives.  What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion.  Whether they like the guy or not.  What they-- what it looks like.  I mean the-- it's the-- the-- when you ask those people-- we do all these polls.  I find it amazing.  We poll all these people, see where you stand in the polls.  About 45% of the people will vote for the Republican and 48% or 49%--  

 * * *END OF PART ONE* * *

 * * *BEGINNING OF PART TWO* * *

MITT ROMNEY:  (BREAK IN AUDIO) --about twice as much as China.  Not 10 times as much like is reported.  And-- and-- and we have responsibility for the whole world.  They're only focused on one little area in the world, the South China Sea, the East China Sea.  That's it.  And they're building a military at-- at a rapid rate.

So-- this idea that somehow we-- oh, we spend so much money on the military.  It's like, "Guys, don't over think how strong we are."  We-- we have said-- you probably know.  This is a couple years ago.  When we had one of our aircraft carriers (UNINTEL) by-- by Japan.  And-- and the Chinese pulled up behind it in-- in a diesel sub, a super quiet diesel sub.  Pulled up behind it.  They could have te-- torpedoed it.  And-- they were (UNINTEL).

Where-- where does that (UNINTEL)?  Our Navy's smaller in number of ships than anytime since 1917.  And this president wants to shrink it.  The-- the list goes on.  Our Air Force is older and smaller than anytime since '47 when the Air Force was formed.  And he wants to shrink it.  If we go the way of-- of Europe, which is spending 1% to 2% of their economy on the military, we will not be able to have freedom in the world.

MALE VOICE:  When-- when the electorate tunes in September, the markets are gonna be looking marginal tax rates rates going up.  Another debt ceiling fight.  The sequestration under the debt ceiling deal.  What do they call it?  Taxageddon-- you know, they call it.  (LAUGHTER) The-- the Obamacare-- taxes on dividends and capital gains.  I mean-- it-- (OVERTALK)

MALE VOICE:  --the markets are gonna be speaking very loudly about COBRA and all of those issues.

MITT ROMNEY:  They'll-- they'll probably be looking at what the polls are saying, but if it looks like I'm gonna win the market-- markets will be happy.  If it looks like the president's gonna win, the markets should not be terribly happy.  It depends on, of course, which markets you're talking about.  Which types of commodities and so forth.

But my own view is that if we-- if-- if-- if we win on November 6th there will be-- a great deal of optimism about the future of this country.  And we'll see capital come back and we'll see-- without-- without actually doing anything, we'll (CHUCKLES) actually get a boost in the economy.

If the president gets reelected, I don't know what'll happen.  I can't-- I can never predict what the markets will do.  Sometimes it does the exact opposite of what I would I ex-- would have expected.  But I-- my own view is that-- that-- if we get a tax-- a Taxageddon, as they call it, January 1st, with this president-- and with a Congress that can't work together and I-- it's-- it really is frightening.  It's really frightening in my view.

MALE VOICE:  54% of American voters think the Chinese economy is bigger the U.S.' economy.  When I first met you four or five years ago you did the diagram where you went very granular and you said, "Look, guys, this is a small group."  You said, "This is it.  This is-- this is what it is."  Tell us (UNINTEL PHRASE) this.  Not-- how are you gonna win if 54% of the voters think China's economy is bigger than our own?  Or if it costs four cents to make a penny and we keep making pennies?

Canada got it right a month ago.  Why isn't someone sayin', "Stop makin' pennies.  Round it to the nearest nickel."  That's an easy thing, you know, compared to Iran.  I wanna see you take the gloves off and talk to people that actually read the paper, that read the book and care about knowing the facts and-- knowledge is power.  As opposed to people that are swayed by, you know, what sounds good at the moment.  You know, I-- if you turned into a-- like eager to kill, it would be a landslide, in my humble opinion.  (LAUGHTER)

MITT ROMNEY:  Well, I-- I wrote a book that lays out my view for what has to happen in the country and-- and people who are fascinated by policy will-- will read the book.  We have a website that lays out white papers on a whole series of issues that I-- I care about.

I have to tell you, I don't think this will have a significant impact on my electability.  I-- I-- I wish it-- I wish it did, but I think our ads will have a much bigger impact and the debates will have a big impact.  I-- you know, I-- I-- you know, I-- I--

MALE VOICE:  I don't even know who (UNINTEL) Peterson and he told us--

MITT ROMNEY:  Well, but that's--  (OVERTALK)

MALE VOICE:  --we were in trouble 20 years ago.

MITT ROMNEY:  I-- but that's-- that's my point, which is-- is just being-- being right.  My dad used to say, "Being right-- early is not good in politics."  And-- and-- in a setting like this-- a highly intellectual subject on a whole-- discussion of a whole series of important topics typically doesn't win elections.  And there are-- there are-- there are fra-- and, for instance, this president won because of "hope and change."

FEMALE VOICE:  Right.

MITT ROMNEY:  All right?  He won because of "hope and change." (OVERTALK)

Yeah.  But I-- (LAUGHTER) so-- so it's-- it's-- I-- I-- and I-- I can tell you I have a very good team of extraordinarily experienced, highly successful-- consultants.  A couple of people in particular who've done races around the world.  I didn't realize it.  These guys from the U.S., the-- the Karl Rove equivalents, they do races all over the world.  In Armenia.  In Africa.  In Israel.

They-- I mean they worked for Bibi Netanyahu in his race.  And so they do these races and they see which ads work and which-- which-- which processes work best.  And-- and-- we have ideas about we-- what we do over the course of the campaign.  I'd tell it to you, but I'd have to, you know, shoot ya.  (LAUGHTER) You know?  Hopefully we'll be successful.  Please?

MALE VOICE:  I think-- I think one of the aspects about "hope and change" that worked well for Obama four years ago was he promised to bring us more honest, transparent-- (LAUGHTER) governance in Washington.  I've been around politics.  The first campaign I worked in was Barry Goldwater's in 1964.  So I think I'm the oldest Republican here (UNINTEL PHRASE).

But-- from what I've seen in the last months because of my own personal involvement in the issue is-- is the government in Washington right now just is permeated by cronyism, outright corruption.  Our-- our regulatory agencies that are supposed to protect the public are protecting the people that they're supposed to be regulating.

And-- I think people are fed up with that.  Doesn't matter whether you're in the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street, people see that the government is working for the powerful interests and the people who are well connected politically and not for the common person.  Which threatens that whole idea that we have this great opportunity.

Which we should have and have had that historically in the U.S. for anybody from what background to become successful.  One way in which that becomes compromised is when the government is no longer seen as being an honest agent and where our tax dollars are not really-they're being put to work for us but for the people who are plugged in politically (UNINTEL PHRASE).  You know, you have-- you had cases like Solyndra and the Fullbush (PH), which I talk about (UNINTEL) involved in.  You've got Eric Holder, who's probably the most corrupt attorney general that we've had ever in-- in-- in American history.  And-- I think it's something that-- that-- if spun the right way and in simple terms, can actually resonate with the American people.

Obama did not keep his promises.  Nancy Pelosi was supposed to give us an honest Congress.  Has-- has given us just the opposite when she was speaker.  And-- I think that's a campaign issue that can work well.  I'm optimistic that you'll be elected president and my recommendation would be clean house immediately.  SEC, the CFBC-- are-- are-- are disaster areas.  And--  (OVERTALK)

MITT ROMNEY:  And what-- I wish we weren't unionized so we could go a lot deeper than you're actually allowed to go.  But-- (MALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

Am I in the way here?  Yeah.  I-- I-- I can say this, which-- and I'm sure you'll agree with this as well, which is we-- we speak with-- with voters across the country about their perceptions.  Those people I told you, the 5%, to 6% or 7% that we have to sort of bring on-- on our side?  They all voted for Barack Obama four years ago.

So-- and, by the way, when you-- when you say to them, "Do you think Barack Obama is a failure?"  they overwhelmingly say, "No."  They like him.  But when you say, "Are you disappointed that his policies haven't worked?" they say, "Yes."  And-- and because they voted for him they don't wanna be told that they were wrong.  That he's a bad guy.  That he did bad things.  That he's corrupt.

The-- these-- those people that we have to get, they want to believe they did the right thing but he just wasn't up to the task.  They love the phrase that he's over his head.  But if we're-- when we-- but, you see, you and I, we spend our day with Republicans.  We spend our days with people who agree with us.  And-- and these people are people who voted for him and don't agree with us.

And-- and so the things that animate us are not the things that animate them.  And the-- and the best success I have in speaking with those people is saying, you know, "The president's been a disappointment.  He told you he'd keep unemployment below 8%.  Hasn't been below 8% since.

"50% of kids coming out of school can't get a job.  50%.  50% of the kids in high school in our 50 largest cities won't graduate from high school.  What are they gonna do?"  And the-- these are the kinds of things that-- that I can-- I can say-- to-- to that audience that-- that they nod they head and say, "Yeah, I think you're right."

What he's gonna do, by the way, is try and vilify me as someone who's been successful.  Or who's-- or who's, you know, closed businesses or laid people off and this is an e-- an evil bad guy.  And that may work.  I-- I actually think that right now people are saying, "I want someone who can make things better.  That's what-- that's gonna motivate me.  Who can get jobs for my kids and get rising incomes."  And I hope to be able to be the one that wins that battle.  Yeah, please.

FEMALE VOICE:  I've seen Obama a lot of times on these sort of talk shows, making (UNINTEL PHRASE).  I've never seen you on-- on any of them.  And I think a lot of (UNINTEL), especially, you know, (UNINTEL PHRASE) talking about, I think they will (UNINTEL) see you in a different light, because I think a lot of women, especially, do not watch debates.  They don't come to these functions.  They can maybe you have to show your face more on TV and talk in your just, like, regular aesthetic.  Is that (UNINTEL PHRASE).   (UNINTEL) the typical (UNINTEL PHRASE).  But it's--

MITT ROMNEY:  It's (UNINTEL).

FEMALE VOICE:  It's (UNINTEL).  Yeah.

MITT ROMNEY:  See, in Sweden, you'd-- you'd say Johansen  (LAUGHTER) (UNINTEL PHRASE) about that.

FEMALE VOICE:  So I think maybe you could reach a lot of new votes.

MITT ROMNEY:  Well, thank you.  I-- I have been on The View  twice now.  (LAUGHTER) But-- (UNINTEL PHRASE) President Obama.  I've been on The View twice.  (OVERTALK)

It went-- it went very well.  (FEMALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

But-- Regis is gone.

MALE VOICE:  Kelly and Michael Straham (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MITT ROMNEY:  And I've done the-- I've done the night-- the-- the evening shows.  I've been on Letterman a couple of times.  I've been on-- on Leno-- more than a couple of times.  And now Letterman hates me because I've been on Leno more than him.  (LAUGHTER) So (UNINTEL)-- very, very jealous of one another, as you know.

And-- and there's-- I was asked to go on Saturday Night Live.  I-- I did not do that in part because you-- you wanna show that you're fun and you're a good person, but you don't wanna-- you-- you also wanna be presidential.  And Saturday Night Live has the potential of-- of looking slapstick and not-- and not presidential.

FEMALE VOICE:  I agree.

MITT ROMNEY:  But The View was-- The View was fine.  Although The View is-- is high risk because of-- of the five women on it, only one is conservative.  Four-- (FEMALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

--are-- are sharp tongued and-- and not conservative.  Whoopi Goldberg in particular.  Although last time I was on the show she said to me, "You know what?  I think I could vote for you."  And I-- and I said, "I must have done something really wrong."  (LAUGHTER)  I-- (FEMALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

I'm gonna sit down and enjoy my-- Darlene, you get the last word.

DARLENE:  I was just gonna say that I think-- our media strategy that will be sending Ann on The View and having her sit there.

FEMALE VOICE:  Yes.

MITT ROMNEY:  Got it.

FEMALE VOICE:  Because she, I think, is your-- your best surrogate (UNINTEL).

FEMALE VOICE:  Yes.

FEMALE VOICE:  Your best advocate.  She--

FEMALE VOICE:  I agree.

FEMALE VOICE:  --connects so well.  I mean we talked so much about this (UNINTEL) and somebody said, "Oh, many people think of you as a rich-- rich guy."  And those of us who know you know that's-- you know--

MITT ROMNEY:  You know--

FEMALE VOICE:  --not the-- not--

MITT ROMNEY:  --I'm poor as a church mouse, right?

FEMALE VOICE:  Yeah, yeah.  (OVERTALK)

FEMALE VOICE:  Well, we do know that you've (UNINTEL PHRASE).  Or (UNINTEL). 

MITT ROMNEY:  My (UNINTEL).  Yeah.

FEMALE VOICE:  And that Ann really connects with people and she can tell the story about her father.  And she's the (UNINTEL) person who can sit with Matt Lauer and go on Good Morning America (UNINTEL PHRASE) and go on The View and hold her own with all of these people.  And really-- get you I think the women connecting to you more (UNINTEL).

FEMALE VOICE:  Especially more (UNINTEL).  And I think she's-- she's a great--

MITT ROMNEY:  I hate to (UNINTEL) you.  (UNINTEL PHRASE).  We-- we-- we use Ann sparingly right now so that people don't get tired of her or-- or start attacking.

FEMALE VOICE:  (UNINTEL) get tired of it.  Who gets--

MITT ROMNEY:  And--

FEMALE VOICE:  --tired of Ann (UNINTEL)?  (LAUGHTER)

MITT ROMNEY:  I'll tell you-- but-- but you will see more of her-- in the September, October timeframe.  And-- you know, we have a -what's her name- in Hillary Rosen, who-- who, you know, attacked her and-- and that-- that made Ann much more visible to the American people, which I think was very helpful.  It gave her a platform she wouldn't have had otherwise.  And-- I agree with you.  I think she will be extraordinarily helpful.

FEMALE VOICE:  Just to sort of-- (UNINTEL PHRASE), people who friended her on Facebook or what-- whatever happened after the Hillary Rosen thing, just-- that shows you the value of social networking and just, like, how important media can be to selections like that.  I-- I just think that she is-- is (UNINTEL).  And I know she wants-- she wants you to win for (UNINTEL).

MITT ROMNEY:  She's out there.

FEMALE VOICE:  She is.

MITT ROMNEY:  She's in-- she's in-- in Texas tonight.  She was in Louisiana last night.  She's-- raising money in those places.  (FEMALE VOICE:  UNINTEL)

She was at Ben Crenshaw's house for dinner today.  Tonight.  Isn't that something?  So there are some benefits.  (LAUGH) One of the benefits is eating the world's best dessert, which I will.  Thank you.  (APPLAUSE) You've been great.

 (OFF-MIC CONVERSATION)

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Comment author avatarFeisty Redhead Roselle, ILExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The best part of this white hot mess is...

Team Willard seriously believes this is going to blow over!

Good luck with THAT! lol

What kind of "jam" do RWNJ's prefer with their "toast"?

  • 30 votes
#1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

Feisty,

This guy is just a sneering old plutocrat, who is betting on getting away with whatever he wants.

It was all given to him on a platter. Yet he will deprive other human beings to satisfy his greed, without any kind of conscience.

  • 24 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

This guy is just a sneering old plutocrat,

Backhouse,

Willard has the uncanny ability to make Gordon Gecko look charitable! ;o)

  • 19 votes
#1.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:34 PM EDT

Ayn Rand/Norquist devotees like Romney-Ryan, have NO place in the White House.

  • 22 votes
#1.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for for their lives.

Hey Mittens

Senior citizens which make up a huge portion of the 47% have taken personal responsibility and have paid into SS you dipshi$

  • 26 votes
#1.4 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:39 PM EDT
Comment author avatarHarley ChicExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

C'mon man! You guys need to work harder. I only have 9 more weeks left out of 99 weeks on my guberment UE checks. My food stamps are only $400 month..and i like rib eye steaks everyday. Since being unemployed for so long i have become disabled.. Wheew, i'm glad that got approved, that $2100 a month will help pay for my new Escalade. But i need another raise, so work two jobs...help a sista out, k.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:39 PM EDT

Well, he gave Russia their number one foreign policy objective. For a decade all they've cared about is getting the missile defense sites out of Poland.

Hey Mitty, 55% of Polish citizens don't want it on their land so STFU. Stop telling other countries what to do and how to get there

  • 15 votes
#1.6 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:43 PM EDT

Feisty - it's so easy to tell the really ignorant posters who haven't bothered to find out who the 47% are - and the fact that they still pay taxes. But, it's so much easier for them to just post their stupidity and look even more idiotic with every word they write!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 24 votes
#1.7 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

Do you want a President who signed on the dotted line to Norquist?

If you are in any doubt about Romney's allegiance by now ~ whether it is to the wealthy and big corporations OR to ordinary people ~ there is your answer.

  • 18 votes
#1.8 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

SeekingSanity

Feisty - it's so easy to tell the really ignorant posters who haven't bothered to find out who the 47% are

I actually learned today that soldiers in combat do not pay federal income tax either. How dare they! Mitt don't like that!

  • 21 votes
#1.9 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

MITT ROMNEY: I mean if I were Iran, if I were Iran-- I mean-- and-- and a crazed fanatic, I'd say, "Let's get a little fissile-- material to Hezbollah and have them carry it to Chicago or some other place. And then if anything goes wrong or America starts acting up, we'll just say, 'And guess what? Unless you stand down, why, we're gonna let off a dirty bomb.'" I mean this-- this is where we have-- where America can be held up and blackmailed by Iran. By the mullahs. By crazy people. So-- so we really don't-- have any option but to keep Iran from having-- a nuclear weapon.

Wrong move MYTH. Many people think World Trade Center was an inside job.

  • 13 votes
#1.10 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

Do you want a President that has signed on the dotted line to Norquist?

Backhouse,

Remember, all they need is someone with enough "digits" to sign what ever they put in from on him!

But, it's so much easier for them to just post their stupidity and look even more idiotic with every word they write!

Seeking,

How sad it must be to see it all slipping away & being too impotent to do anything about it! HAHAHAHA!

@Bayllie - I LOVE the new avatar!

  • 18 votes
#1.11 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

Backhouse - I think anyone who has signed an oath to Norquist should not be allowed to serve in US government. How can anyone serve their constituents when they have signed a commitment to Norquist? Actually, I think they are being treasonous, signing an oath to a man whose income comes from countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel.

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 23 votes
#1.12 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

If the American electorate didn't care about the fact that Hussein has terrorists for friends and spent half his life hanging around with America haters, you think they're gonna dwell on this NON-issue?

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

Agreed, Seeking,

Why does GOP at every level of government, sign over to Norquist?

So that GOP can keep crying about the debt and deficit, while extracting their pound of flesh from 99% of the good people of this country = cutting safety nets, while in many cases, zero taxes are paid into the Treasury.

GOP knows the arithmetic very well.

Paying even a little more in taxes at the Clinton level, would set us on the right path. But corporate GOP won't do it, because they prefer the sword of Damocles when doing routine stuff like raising the debt ceiling, which has been done twice a year, for I don't know how long.

  • 13 votes
#1.14 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

I'll have whatever they're drinking!

(UNINTEL) was making the most sense of anything that was said.

Here's a fun game, put your favorite profanity everywhere it says (UNINTEL).

It will make the Rombot and his minions seem...almost human.

Rombot.Has.Nothing.

  • 15 votes
#1.15 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:02 PM EDT

The current view of the 2012 presidential election.

Barack Obama

307

Electoral Votes

Mitt Romney

191

Electoral Votes

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map

=========================================

After all the collateral damage MYTH is mounting every time he opens his trap, including not backing down or apologizing, this stupid old fool still thinks he can win.

STFU fomenting class warfare and hate. Show US why you are not paying taxes. Release the tax returns.

  • 13 votes
#1.16 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:03 PM EDT

Romney said, "I-- I appreciate the idea. I-- I-- I can't-- one of the things that's frustrating me is that-- on a typical day like this when I do three or four events like this, the number of foreign policy questions I get are between zero and one."

I say ask Mitt the hard foreign policy questions! He has already insulted 47% of the population and probably cost himself the election by making stupid unscripted remarks, so let's see what nuggets of mirth he will share with America on the topic of foreign relations! I mean, his few attempts to address world events have been very entertaining so far:

"It's hard to know just how well (the 2012 London Olympics) will turn out. There were a few things that were disconcerting." —Mitt Romney, dissing Britain on the eve of the Olympics by suggesting the country is not ready, NBC News interview, July 25, 2012

"The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached. An apology for America is never the right course. The statement that came from the administration was...was a statement that was akin to an apology and I think it was a...a severe miscalculation." —Mitt Romney, attempting to politicize the killings of American diplomats in Libya by falsely accusing President Obama of apologizing for America and getting the facts of the situation completely backwards (Sept. 12, 2012)

  • 20 votes
#1.17 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:03 PM EDT

You all hear? Our embassy in Nigeria was attacked. The White House is issuing a statement apologizing to Nigerian Muslims JUST IN CASE they may have been offended by some American exercising his free speech.

  • 5 votes
#1.18 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

PolitiFact on the subject of Romney's dishonest claims of an apology issued by the Cairo embassy:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/sep/12/romney-says-us-embassy-statement-was-apology-was-i/

Romney is a pathological liar and it is astounding that people can be so weak-minded as to believe a word he says. No wonder he is going to lose this election by a landslide.

  • 12 votes
#1.19 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

By the way, Bev. Congrats on getting through an entire sentence without any spelling errors, and for actually making your post understandable to those of us that didn't attend Chicago Public Schools.

  • 6 votes
#1.20 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

No wonder the moonbats and the state run media are spiking the football, thinking the election is over.

Latest Gallup has Obama with a clearly insurmountable 1 point lead.

  • 4 votes
#1.21 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:13 PM EDT

Gov. Romney sez he's gonna get "vilified for being successful".

Nope. He just might get vilified for HOW he got successful.

Some of it ain't very pretty.

  • 20 votes
#1.22 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:13 PM EDT

That was quite the read! So thankful this made it to the light of day. Unbelievable that people still want to vote for this snarky hot mess of a little boy!

  • 25 votes
#1.23 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

Latest Gallup has Obama with a clearly insurmountable 1 point lead.

How about eleven polls, then? If you want to hang your hat on a poll, try Rasmussen. The rest show President Obama steamrolling your failed candidate.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

  • 17 votes
#1.24 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

And thanks to Hussein's continuing Eff Up regarding our embassies, the murder of our ambassador and his siding with the Rad Muzzies over a fellow American's 1st Amendment Rights, a poll now shows Romney ahead of Obama in being trusted with foreign affairs.

  • 3 votes
#1.25 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

Nope. He just might get vilified for HOW he got successful.

Indonesian Bob, and how did he get successful?

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

And I remember going to-- to-- sorry just to bore you with stories, but I was-- when I was back in my private equity days we went to China to buy a factory there. It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all-- young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married and they work in these huge factories. They made various-- small appliances.And-- as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day and the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with-- with little bathrooms at the end of maybe 10-- 10-- rooms. And the-- and the rooms, they had 12 girls per-- per room. Three bunk beds-- on top of each other. And you've seen 'em. You've seen 'em.

MALE VOICE: Oh yeah.

MITT ROMNEY: And-- and-- and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence of barbed wire, and guard towers. And-- and we said, "Gosh, I can't believe that you-- you know, you keep these girls in." They said, "No, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in, because people want so badly to come work in this factory that we have to keep them out or they'll just come in here and start working and-- and-- and try and get compensated. So we-- this is to keep people out."

I'll bet Mitt got the first real boner of his life at the thought of that....no...not all the young Chinese women packed in a dozen to a room...but the thought of owning a company with all that legal, willing slave labor.

Obama 2012/Romney 1040

  • 16 votes
#1.27 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

@C A,

Example given: google Romneystericycle.

Bain made $7mil from their investment. I'll leave it up to you to find out what they made their investment in.

Believe what you will.

  • 8 votes
#1.28 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:21 PM EDT

Believe what you will

that is the best you have? I think mr Obama has equal amount of skeletons in his books alone yet gets no vetting.

How did Obama make his money?

  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:25 PM EDT

@C A,

Did you bother to look it up?

Is that the best YOU have? Attempting to deflect with a diatribe against the President when faced with a possibly uncomfortable point?

btw President Obama's books are a matter of public record.

They've had plenty of vetting.

How did he make his money?

You actually answered your own question before you even asked it.

  • 12 votes
#1.30 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

Caesar - as anyone who tried to find out would know, President Obama wrote several books which sold VERY well once he was elected to the US Senate then to the Presidency. Before that he was an attorney and a professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago - private school - pays well!

He got his money the old fashioned way - he earned it - and not at other people's expense.

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 19 votes
#1.31 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:30 PM EDT

Did you bother to look it up?

I did, should i be offended?

Attempting to deflect with a diatribe against the President when faced with a possibly uncomfortable point?

hardly my indonesian friend. but since I answered yours, you answer mine.

Caesar - as anyone who tried to find out would know, President Obama wrote several books which sold VERY well once he was elected to the US Senate then to the Presidency.

you know what. shut up. you've already been caught lying on this as well as other topics. I will address you when i want your crappy opinion.

  • 1 vote
#1.32 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:35 PM EDT

Feisty,

@Bayllie - I LOVE the new avatar!

just wanted to show my support for this great lady and this pic just spoke to me

  • 7 votes
#1.33 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:37 PM EDT

@C A,

I did, should I be offended?

Reckon plenty of folks would be.<

since I answered yours, you answer mine.

Please read my post ( and your post that I responded to) again since you evidently didn't get it the first time.

  • 6 votes
#1.34 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:44 PM EDT

What is with the all out assault by MSNBC on Romney and Republicans.

This is not reporting news.

MSNBC should remember that there is honor in good news reporting, and disgrace in purposely slanting the news so heavily. This goes way beyond bias.

  • 5 votes
#1.35 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:46 PM EDT

Wildcat-32, then wander your butt over to FOX ... in the meantime if Romney would stop making such COLOSSAL mistakes . . . well nevermind ... that doesn't seem very likely . . .

  • 11 votes
#1.36 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:52 PM EDT

Please read my (and your post I responded to) again since you evidently get it the first time.

i must have missed it the first time. and i am aware I answered my own question. as for Obama being vetted, now that isn't totally true.

MSNBC should remember that there is honor in good news reporting, and disgrace in purposely slanting the news so heavily. This goes way beyond bias

its NBC now, MS got its name out. NBC which has had negative marks against it recenlty with editing a Romney Video and the Zimmerman/Martin incident, are you really surprised? NBC is more like Al Jezeera for Obama.

  • 1 vote
#1.37 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:53 PM EDT

@Layton and C A,

Since when does presenting an actual transcript indicate bias?

  • 11 votes
#1.38 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:59 PM EDT

@Layton,

Oops, didn't mean @you... meant @WildCat and C A.

  • 4 votes
#1.39 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:06 PM EDT

Since when does presenting an actual transcript indicate bias?

They consider it to be bias when it conflicts with the insane fantasies of the right wing lunatic fringe. Normal Americans don't have to have reality explained to them as do crazed right wing extremists.

  • 9 votes
#1.40 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:12 PM EDT

Since when does presenting an actual transcript indicate bias?

I think its a bit deeper Indonesian Bob. not too deep, its shallow but its not as simple as a transcript. ah well seeing the forest for the trees.

They consider it to be bias when it conflicts with the insane fantasies of the right wing lunatic fringe.

says the coffee house lib that says Obama Hails from a long line of American Patriots (whose dad fought the British in Kenya).

  • 1 vote
#1.41 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:17 PM EDT

says the coffee house lib that says Obama Hails from a long line of American Patriots (whose dad fought the British in Kenya).

I said nothing of the sort. I said his grandfather was arrested for resisting British rule. You're not very bright, are you? Or are you just a liar? I'm going with both, by the way.

  • 10 votes
#1.42 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:21 PM EDT

[I think mr Obama has equal amount of skeletons in his books alone yet gets no vetting. How did Obama make his money?]

Now you're glomming onto conspiracy theories and non-troversies?

Jesus H. Christ on a popsickle stick "caesar"...you really are a turd blossom.

Here it comes...

...wait for it...

...wait for it...

...wait for it...

PIZZA! PIZZA!

  • 13 votes
#1.43 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:24 PM EDT

Bali Bob ... no worries ... I knew! :) Thanks for the clarification!

  • 4 votes
#1.44 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:22 PM EDT

said his grandfather was arrested for resisting British rule

you're correct my mistake. You did say Obama came from Patriots. now that isnt very bright.

Now you're glomming onto conspiracy theories and non-troversies?

Jesus H. Christ on a popsickle stick "caesar"...you really are a turd blossom.

says the village idiot. Why did you vote O again? Come on you can do it. Just say it was the popular thing to do.

I didnt think so my Royal fool. Not very creative Mickey but look at your silly name. MICKEY like the mouse?

  • 1 vote
#1.45 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:27 PM EDT

you're correct my mistake.

You make a lot of mistakes, don't you? Of course, that's no surprise to anyone who has read any of your imbecilic posts.

  • 5 votes
#1.46 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:53 PM EDT

Candidates know what the people want hear and it will be, again, Promise after promise, without results. At the same time, I would hate to see America, become Un-American. To lose the laws of our lands, our Constitution, that so many fight have and died for. The Country that we know and love.

While they chose to transcribe this report on Mitt Romney, Mr. Obama has had more than his share of bad moments. A few noted below:

Via The Huffington Post/Reuters: "President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election. Obama, during talks in Seoul, urged Moscow to give him "space" until after the November ballot, and Medvedev said he would relay the message to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin. The unusually frank exchange came as Obama and Medvedev huddled together on the eve of a global nuclear security summit in the South Korean capital, unaware their words were being picked up by microphones as reporters were led into the room.

. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_0YS7tK04

Then there is our current POTUS who appears from all accounts to have a disregard for American people, not of his allegiance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

Then the disrespect and name calling of his own Grandfather:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/11/why-did-obama-use-n-word-to-describe-his-grandfather/?intcmp=obnetwork

Would truly hate to see our American fall under any other way of life. Something everyone should be thinking of in November.

  • 1 vote
#1.47 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:18 PM EDT

Whew...it took forever to read all that. My feelings are mixed about it. His foreign policy is certainly not worse than Obama's. The Republicans could have picked someone better. I wonder what juicy stuff would have come out if someone recorded one of Obama's private talks?

Vote Micky Mouse in 2012!

    #1.48 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:41 AM EDT

    Renee,

    What are you saying that other world leaders are working with the president?

      #1.49 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:29 AM EDT

      Romney say's he donated his entire inheritance and did it solely on his own. He failed to mention that he made that donation 3 years after receiving it. How many could, 'Do it on their own', if they had 20 million or so to bankroll them for 3 years?

      Romney claims our navy is the smallest it's been since 1917 even though in reality our tonnage exceeds the total tonnage of the next 17 largest navies combined. When Reagan was elected we had 3 naval task forces, today we have 11. If there's any argument that our military is strained it's not lack of spending it's the constant wars we've been fighting for 11 years in republican wars.

      Romney suggests the mere thought of Reagan being elected was why Iran released the hostages on the day he was elected ignoring the deal Reagan made to supply parts for Irans American made tanks and planes they couldn't legally buy parts for.

      Romney intends to cut the top rate from 35% to 25% and eliminate capital gains taxes which is most of his income and means under his plan he'd pay zero or close to zero with no explanation as to who or how this would be paid for or how the country would benefit.

      • 5 votes
      #1.50 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:24 AM EDT

      No mention here of the leaked obama video. It's on aol. So redistribution vs. victims? Socialism is bankrupting Europe. The democrats ushered in the policies that brought on the housing crisis. Nice ideas, but don't work. Check out the CRA during Carter and housing laws under Clinton. For me, socially liberal, but economically conservative.

      • 2 votes
      #1.51 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:31 AM EDT

      After reading this I want to vote for Romney even more.

      --

      He is spot on accurate in his comments. That is why the media is in an uproar.

      Even Gallup's poll yesterday had Obama with 47%. Romney knows where he stands. He knew it in May and he knows it now.

      --

      To Romney - don't give up on the 47%, now speak directly to them. Tell them they have been made into victims by Obama's redistribution victimization policies. Ask them how their jobs searches are going. Ask them how their incomes are shrinking. Ask them if they are happy taking their dole from others. And then promise them jobs working for their future. Jobs in energy. Jobs in every sector as the natural result to a vibrant economy.

      To the moron who thinks social security recipients don't pay federal income tax you are completely mis-informed. They do not pay tax when they receive their monthly check but they do pay it quarterly. If they earn a small enough benefit their tax rate will approach zero but most will pay some amount.

      • 3 votes
      #1.52 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:00 AM EDT

      Damage123

      If the American electorate didn't care about the fact that Hussein has terrorists for friends and spent half his life hanging around with America haters, you think they're gonna dwell on this NON-issue?

      Very good point. But you don't expect that the New Barack Committee (NBC) would dwell on that like it has on this piece of truth, do you?

        #1.53 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

        (With Apologies to Edwin Arlington Robinson's poem Richard Cory)

        Willard Romney

        Whenever Willard Romney went down town,
        We people on the pavement looked at him:
        He was a 1%er from sole to crown,
        Clean shaven, and imperially slim.

        And he was always haughtily arrayed,
        And he was condescending when he talked;
        But he fluttered teabag pulses with his displays,
        As he glittered in gold where ever he walked.

        And he was rich - yes, richer than 99.99% of human beings -
        And dishonorably schooled in every corrupt disgrace:
        Born to wealth and status, he could purchase anything,
        Including a prime position in a U.S. presidential race.

        So on the 47%ers worked, and waited for the coming light,
        And went without pay raises; being fired their daily dread,
        And Willard Romney, on one calm November night,
        Was sent home to cry with those states dyed deep red.

        • 1 vote
        #1.54 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

        WHAT AMERICA NEEDS IS A PRESIDENT THAT GIVES THE TERROISTS IDEAS ON ATTACKING US....

        Mitt Romney- "I mean if I were Iran, if I were Iran-- I mean-- and-- and a crazed fanatic, I'd say, "Let's get a little fissile-- material to Hezbollah and have them carry it to Chicago or some other place. And then if anything goes wrong or America starts acting up, we'll just say, 'And guess what? Unless you stand down, why, we're gonna let off a dirty bomb.'" I mean this-- this is where we have-- where America can be held up and blackmailed by Iran. By the mullahs. By crazy people."

        • 2 votes
        #1.55 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

        Prove Romney wrong...all of you welfare dependent-Koolaid chugging-flower pot headwearing-socialist take money from someone you don't like and give it to someone who will vote for you--progressive Marxist --Government cheese loving rats...stuff the ballot box FOR Romney!!!

          #1.56 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

          This story is just so funny in so many ways:

          1. "This is a rush transcript. Accuracy is not guaranteed." This is MSNBC and accuracy is never guaranteed
          2. The only people that think that this is worthy of coverage, would never vote for Romney any ways.
          3. Remember Peggy Joseph, who thought Barack Obama would pay for her gas and mortgage, because she voted for him?

          The truth of the matter is that we have a problem with the number of people that believe the Government owes them a decent living without having to work for it. That did not exist under Reagan, Bush, Clinton or GW Bush. There are still people who lost their jobs and found other opportunities to work. Some are even doing better, because they were forced to leave the job they had and found it was not the best job for them in the first place. Since when have politicians, Obama included, been overly concerned with exact numbers or years? (Romney was running Bain in 2001 even though he left in 1999) The major point is that there are too many people living on Government assistance and not looking for work. If you cannot work because of a physical or mental limitation than there is no problem, but that is not what is going on. There are too many people that are capable of working, but are not working because the difference in their potential paycheck and the Government check is not worth the effort. President Clinton saw that problem and signed legislation that limited assistance and required people to find work. This is not a Republican vs Democrat issues. It is an attempt to buy the votes of the unemployed with a check so they will forget that under a different President who is not so anti-business they could find work.

          • 1 vote
          #1.57 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

          The irony of this "leaked" video is that it while it was meant by the leftist ideologues to damage Romney; it will ultimately prove to be one of the best things for him that could have happened.

          The reaction of the left only affirms that Obama derives the majority of his support from society's losers.

          • 1 vote
          #1.58 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:23 PM EDT
          Reply

          Wow. Turns out Romeny understands more about the Israeli/Palestinian situation that I appreciated.

          Way to go, Mitt.

          • 9 votes
          Reply#2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

          Yea, guess you like wars, don't you. Probably cheer like it's a football game or something similar. Doesn't it occur to you that people die because of them? You rwnj's sure like your sabre rattlers, don' t you?

          • 21 votes
          #2.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

          Yea, guess you like wars,

          Snookie doesn't care - it's not like anyone in her klan has ever served in one!

          People like her, leave it up to "you people" to do their dirty work!

          • 19 votes
          #2.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

          Feisty - my guess is no joe is a low totem pole individual. She spouts off but clearly has no idea about the things she professes to know about. And with each post she looks less and less intelligent.

          Obama/Biden 2012

          • 18 votes
          #2.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

          People like her, leave it up to "you people" to do their dirty work!

          That's why they're so oblivious to it. Same with Romney and Ryan. They haven't a clue either. They just know that the voting base demands they be "tough" with anyone that doesn't agree in whole with this country.

          • 14 votes
          #2.4 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

          So how well has the Nobel Prize Winner Obama moved the peace process along? Personally I am pretty pro-Palestine and if I were Palestinian I would never accept the fact that my land has been taken. The fact that Romney realizes the Palestinians have no interest in peace says what about him?

          • 2 votes
          #2.5 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

          Alan, NJ

          I would never accept the fact that my land has been taken.

          so be a sweetheart and give your house (if you own one) back to Native Americans

          • 15 votes
          #2.6 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:54 PM EDT

          bayllie

          Alan, NJ

          I would never accept the fact that my land has been taken.

          so be a sweetheart and give your house (if you own one) back to Native Americans

          which ones? you saying they're all alike? Tell me which tribe or do you think the Native Americans just lived in a peaceful Utopia amongst themselves.

          Lets just give all land back. Italy can get split up into various tribes starting with Estruscans. Troy should be rebuilt in Turkey and given to Hellenized, Iraq can give back to the bablyons Baghdad. WHere do you draw the line?

          You rwnj's sure like your sabre rattlers, don' t you?

          equally it can be said you lwnj's like to raise the white flag

          • 2 votes
          #2.7 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

          tonybeeerm- Those are some heavy and of course typically idiotic words coming from a groupie of the man who kills American citizens with drone strikes. Do you people ever fear drowning in your own hypocrisy?

          • 5 votes
          #2.8 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:02 PM EDT

          How quick people move on.

          All that was needed is a juicy "hidden" video of Romney, and all is forgotten. To hell with the middle east.

          It works like a charm.

          • 4 votes
          #2.9 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:42 PM EDT

          how bout Brian Terry, sure his family wants answers too

          • 5 votes
          #2.10 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:53 PM EDT

          Freshieee

          This is just insane. This comment shows how Romney is just your typical robber baron. I mean, we liberals (and a few conservatives and moderates) knew he was robotic and prone to "emphasize" his wealth, but this is just red meat pandering. This guy OPENLY accused nearly 150 MILLION people of being leeches on the government; 150 MILLION. He is truly a corporate shill; a symbol of the dominance and arrogance of the 1% and how they are separated from the rest of this country. This is a turning moment, not only in the election cycle but in American history itself. This shows the lack of empathy that the domineering robber barons in the 1% feel about for the people who feed their wealth (and yes, we the 99% make the wealth and create jobs, not the rich), even when the wealth-creators are suffering and the wealth-takers (tend to be in financial industry, aka 1%) are prospering. The last time we had such a disconnect economically AND socially between rich and poor was during the Great Depression, and back then we threw down the laissez-faire robber barons and sought to reform and modernize our economy and make it for the 100%, not the 1%. But as time passed, and opposition to the New Deal grew, those laws have withered away. Now it is time for the poor and the hard-pressed and the middle class to rise up and restore America's values of equal opportunity and economic and political equality.

          And by the way, that video was brought by JAMES CARTER the Fourth, also known as Jimmy Carter's grandson. I congratulate him for his success in revealing Romney as the 1%er shill that he is, and I wish his grandfather the best. Republicans, after 30 years of bashing Jimmy Carter, you've finally been served. As the old saying goes, revenge is a dish best serve COLD.

          OBAMA BIDEN 2012

          • 10 votes
          #2.11 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

          Poor Pizza Boy, using Brian Terry as a political pawn...just like Romney used Christopher Stevens and the others' deaths for political gain.

          Sad...

          Typical, but sad nonetheless...

          • 7 votes
          #2.12 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

          Romney made several statements here that will have a negative effect on that 5%-10% of independents who voted for Obama 2008. Those individuals he is trying to swing to his side. Particularly damaging is his revealing of his strategy to not make it sound like those voters made a mistake, but that it just didn't work out. He did a nice job of explaining who he was playing them.

          As much as what Romney said here appeals to his far right base, it will have the opposite effect on those he is trying to get to vote for him.

          And then there are those voters he already had who he slammed throughout the evening. Like the small percentage of Latino votes who were thinking of voting for him. His little comments and his rich supporter's comments really let them know where they stand. (This dinner took place before Mitt picked his VP and when he starts talking about Rubio, the supporter jumps in with, "no, no...don't go there!")

          And then of course there are all the typical Republican voters who are a big part of that 47% not paying income taxes. Those that are smart enough to figure out that they are in that group might not like the way Mr. Romney sees them. That includes a bunch of red state folks and a lot of conservative elderly voters. I'm sure his comments about Social Security really appealed to them too. Not!

          The hardcore right will blow this off as either meaningless or even supportive of how they think and motivate them even more, but those jokers won't win him the election. He needs the middle grounders that he pissed all over in this little meeting of egotistical wealthy and out of touch supporters.

          This thing is a gold mine and Romney's basic doubling down last night just makes it worse. But I guess he didn't have a lot of choice because he didn't want to sound apologetic about anything he said because that would just be a sign of his weakness. Sometimes it's a bitch when you can't bring yourself to say, "I'm sorry."

          This won't change my mind or change the minds of any of his hardcore supporters, but that 5%-10% of "thoughtful independents", might find it all pretty convincing. Just not convincing them to back him. Look for another 4%-5% drop in the polls within the next 10 days, once those "thoughtful" types who've been trying to figure him out, have had the opportunity to listen to this little gem.

          • 3 votes
          #2.13 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:36 PM EDT

          Is President Obama Anti-Israel? If here were not Anti-Israel would he have:

          1. Refused to meet Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but find time to meet with Jay-Z, Beyonce, Letterman and Leno?
          2. Committed himself to the establishment of a Palestinian State on the pre-1967 lines, even if that causes a high risk of terrorist attacks on Israel?
          3. Restore development programs for Palestinians by ending a six-month funding freeze?
          4. Do absolutely nothing to prevent Iran's acquiring nuclear weapons with the ability to strike Israel?
            #2.14 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:16 PM EDT
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            You know, it's hard enough to understand Romney when he's talking. All of the uh's and um's and filler words from someone who doesn't have clear thought process and isn't prepared to answer the question. To see it in writing is frightening. This guy is not qualified to be the president, period.

            • 24 votes
            Reply#3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

            You sure you're not talking about Obama voters? Do we need to start posting the videos of the women claiming that "Barack gon' pay ma car note and ma rent!"

            • 4 votes
            #3.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

            Toni is 15. pay no mind to her

            • 3 votes
            #3.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:22 PM EDT

            This is hard to read but HA, HA, HA, HA............

              #3.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:09 PM EDT

              Conservative columnist Peggy Noonan led the charge with an opinion article in The Wall Street Journal calling Romney’s campaign “incompetent” and saying that “an intervention is in order.”

              “I think there is a broad and growing feeling now, among Republicans, that this thing is slipping out of Romney’s hands,” she said.

              Conservatives might just be getting this, but we have known for a while that he was a very un-electable empty suit. Welcome to 2012! lol

                #3.4 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:17 AM EDT
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                Wow!

                Two completely unpredictable responses...and in less time than it takes to actually read or watch!...

                All in all a great day for the two campaigns!

                • 6 votes
                Reply#4 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:31 PM EDT

                and in less time than it takes to actually read or watch!,,,

                For your information, I watched it last night and again this morning, so stuff it!

                • 18 votes
                #4.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

                not cool fisty. I actually respect dangerfield despite our differences. seems like you tolerate no one that doesnt tow your Obama the Destroyer line

                • 6 votes
                #4.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

                CA-

                Like I said, the ignore feature is a great benefit on this site. And there are many others who deserve to be ignored.

                It presents a Cartisan dilemma to those who don't even know what that means...

                Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.” ― Oscar Wilde

                • 4 votes
                #4.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:13 PM EDT

                i dont ignore people, it serves no purpose. soon i would only have those that agree with me. I can ignore Feisty trollbags without the ignore feature. im not sure about Cartisan and dualism (not familiar with it) but Hubris would be more appropriate.

                • 3 votes
                #4.4 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:21 PM EDT

                Like I said, the ignore feature is a great benefit on this site

                Like I said, try using it, you would then be familiar with how it works! lol

                Not sure who you think you're fooling..?

                • 9 votes
                #4.5 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

                It serves several purposes for me;

                It makes scrolling through a thread easier. It removes the knee-jerk responders of both stripes, and those whose sole purpose is to engage in personalities and pointless p!ssing contests.

                As to Descartes ;

                (It was more, If you insult me and I have you on ignore, as in "If a tree falls in the forest, than "I ignore you, therefore you're not")

                • 3 votes
                #4.6 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:31 PM EDT

                It removes the knee-jerk responders of both stripes, and those whose sole purpose is to engage in personalities and pointless p!ssing contests.

                then the gods do truly favor me. LOL. since you havent ignored me yet. I enjoy reading Feisty's limited responses to anything, after all she's the far lefts champion on here.

                • 4 votes
                #4.7 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:38 PM EDT

                dangerfield: I thought you wanted more discussion and less personal insult on this site?

                Am I wrong about that?

                • 2 votes
                #4.8 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:02 PM EDT
                Comment author avatarFeisty Redhead Roselle, ILExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                I thought you wanted more discussion and less personal insult on this site?

                Only when it suits his warped agenda!

                Don't ever forget, Mr. In the Middle is the same guy who threatened to knock a liberal posters teeth down his throat... and then, there is the FACT he was up to his beady little eyeballs on the LRU breach!

                The weird thing is, he claims to have me on 'ignore' yet, he was right behind my comment!

                • 5 votes
                #4.9 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:09 PM EDT

                I didn't know about the threat to a liberal poster.

                But, I am quite sure he will apologize for the rest of it! ; )

                  #4.10 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:38 PM EDT
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                  So glad the ignore feature is back...

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#5 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

                  So glad the ignore feature is back...

                  Try using it...

                  • 17 votes
                  #5.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:36 PM EDT
                  Comment author avatarJoe Thomas-6624551Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  Well Fisty, I see you are still unemployed. No wonder you hate Romney with a passion. Afraid you are going to be required to work? Fisty carrying the banner..."DEATH TO AMERICA." What a slunt you are.

                  • 4 votes
                  #5.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:34 PM EDT
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                  Reading this shows more and more how totally incapable Mitt is of being President. He has trouble getting a complete sentence or idea out. I've heard high school students speak more coherently.

                  He is an utter failure as a politician and as a man.

                  Obama/Biden 2012

                  • 15 votes
                  Reply#6 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

                  SeekingSanity

                  Reading this shows more and more how totally incapable Mitt is of being President.

                  he was incapable of being a governor

                  • 8 votes
                  #6.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:52 PM EDT
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                  really, really glad. It makes the experience here so much more enjoyable...

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#7 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

                  Romney is 100% right about the 47%. He will do this country a great service if he insists on what he said and opens up a real debate along these lines. America still has a fighting chance of surviving as a great nation but for that the “silent majority” has to wake up. I lived in a real-life communist country (The USSR) long enough to tell signs of communism/socialism when I see them. Socialism is all about government taking good care of people with average and below average abilities and/or motivation at the expense of the other half. That is exactly the trend under Obama. So the 2012 question is - will the other half take the stand or give up and America will become an outsized Greece. I still am hopeful it will not happen but I am not sure. The "rainbow coalition" of welfare free-loaders, public sector workers and trade-unions may not have the overwhelming numbers but they are better organized and more vocal than the silent and passive majority. Members of this "rainbow coalition" know dead well that the Big Government is their ticket to good life. Of course at the end of this journey their living standards will fall as always happen under socialism (e.g. Greece, Cuba, North Korea) but it will be sometimes in the future, so they don't worry about it. With 90% of the media on their side they have a huge advantage against the rest of the population even when their numbers are small. The teachers strike in Chicago is a great example of how an aggressive minority can dominate others. There you have some 25 thousand teachers doing a lousy job but paid on average $75K. Their pay comes out of taxes on an average Chicago worker paid $49K. Teachers now want more pay with minimum performance review. They essentially have been stealing money from Chicago taxpayers all along. And yet we don't see "one million march" of angry taxpayers/parents that would stop this absurdity.

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#8 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:43 PM EDT

                  yup does a great service by condescending to half of the country... what a great unifier.

                  oh, btw, commun/socialism are both governmental models where the government controls all industry. because the USA still has private industry, we're not commun/socialists. hate to blow up your propaganda, but somebody has to...

                  • 8 votes
                  #8.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

                  Whew! Let me be the first to call your bluff. You may or may not be from the former Soviet Union, as you claim, but I have a hard time believing anything you've said. This country is nothing like that. Quit trying to spin rwnj isms on that. It won't work.

                  • 8 votes
                  #8.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

                  alexi - you're stupid and you are so eager to post it. You have no idea about Chicago so why don't you butt out?

                  As for Romney's ignorance - you just compound it. According to Allison Lynn of NBC News:

                  The Tax Policy Center researchers found that about half of the group is basically exempt from federal income taxes because they are low income and also may have a large family.

                  In a blog released not long after its report, the TPC explained that "a couple with two children earning less than $26,400 will pay no federal income tax this year because their $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 each reduce their taxable income to zero."

                  The other half are zeroing out their federal income tax bill with other provisions, such as itemized deductions or the child tax credit. Some are seniors who are living off Social Security.

                  To be clear, the people in this group are still paying taxes. They are subject to payroll taxes for things like Medicare and Social Security, federal excise taxes on things like gasoline and state and local taxes including sales taxes on items they purchase.

                  Not everyone who pays no federal income tax is in the lower income brackets. A separate report released last spring by the Internal Revenue Service found more than 35,000 people who made more than $200,000 in 2009 also managed to zero out their tax bills. That report noted that it generally takes a number of different credits and deductions for wealthy people to not pay any federal income taxes.

                  Please go back to Russia. Your ignorance is not needed here - we already have Romney!

                  Obama/Biden 2012

                  • 13 votes
                  #8.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:50 PM EDT

                  Alexi, i'm almost sure you Pay more than Malibu Mitt(13.9 %), like Most Real Americans do. However, i'm Not sure why You feel the need to Defend his statement. O well, sometimes ya feel like a Nut, sometimes ya Don't!

                  Seniors have paid thier Fair share of Taxes thru the years, just to get to the the Point in Life, where thier Social Security benefits(earned by working) are'nt Taxed. Lotsa of other folks(such as harley chic above)live in the South & are accustmed to Welfare benefits because thier Right to Work States, have No incentave to Raise Wages for thier Citizens. They don't Pay taxes, but expect the Federal Government to Subsidize their Lazy way of Life!

                  On another subject, How many of them thier Muslims did Ronnie RayGun Kill after they blewup 241 US Marines in Lebanon?

                  Anyone on this board care to Tackle that Statement?

                  Occupy SoggyBottom!

                  • 7 votes
                  #8.4 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

                  Rick, Romney paid the exact amount as every other American did on Capitol Gains tax. Its not Income Tax dumba$$.

                  • 5 votes
                  #8.5 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:23 PM EDT

                  Alexi, i'm almost sure you Pay more than Malibu Mitt(13.9 %), like Most Real Americans do.

                  How many Americans paid more than $3.2 million in taxes last year?

                  That's Romney's estimated federal tax paid.

                  It only serves you toads to convert it to a percentage.

                  Romney has no income. He gets all his earnings from capital gains.

                  He donates about $3.5 million a year to charity.

                  • 2 votes
                  #8.6 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                  Obama took all his legal tax deduction, right? If it was patriotic to pay more in taxes then why didn't he just write a bigger check?

                  Hypocrite.

                  Obama is about redistribution - wealth and American power abroad.

                  • 2 votes
                  #8.7 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:47 AM EDT

                  Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your #$%$ and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."

                  Nearly 75 years ago, (when Welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your #$%$, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."

                  Today, Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed your #$%$, raised the price of Camels and mortgaged the Promised Land!

                  I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care Plans, the economy, the wars, lost JObs, Savings, Social Security, Retirement funds, etc. I called a Suicide Hotline. I had to press 1 for English. I was connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got excited and asked if I have a Back Pack!!.

                  Folks, we're screwed.... OMG====Obama Must GO!!!

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.8 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:50 AM EDT
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                  only got to skim through the transcript, but the thing that blew me away was they were talking about the deficit and debt as if democrats had created it all through social programs. It's like 43 was a democrat to them, and all the spending and tax cuts weren't even contributed to by the conservatives. It's all the liberal freeloader's fault.

                  absolutely mind boggling to me... no sense of responsibility at all.

                  • 9 votes
                  Reply#9 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

                  It's like 43 was a democrat to them

                  it appears they don't remember: 43, 41, or 40

                  • 7 votes
                  #9.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:48 PM EDT
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                  The truth of the economics of this country are pretty clear: The producers, the Blue states drive a majority of the GDP while the Red states have economies based on cheap labor and resource extraction and TAKE more from the federal government than they contribute.

                  When you add up all the spending the federal government does, it's the Republicans areas that suck out over 170 billion dollars a year more in federal spending than they contribute in taxes. That basically means they pay not a dime for all the federal programs.

                  So, which voters are really 'dependent on government'? Those that pay for our federal government or those that are net beneficiaries.

                  If you're living off the government indirectly, chances are you're a Republican. Like Bachmann decrying big government while benefiting from subsidies, they aren't even aware of it and if they are, they won't admit it.

                  • 9 votes
                  Reply#10 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

                  Take out CA and what do have???

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

                  Ok, let's look at GDP figures and see if Republican States or Democratic States are better off. We can even take out California (not sure why) for JFK-2112 and see if that makes a difference.

                  The completely Red States (from margin of victory in last 5 Presidential races) are Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Nebraska, Alaska, and Oklahoma. They bring in about 3.49 percent of GDP with a per capita of about $49,471. (2010 figures)

                  The completely Blue States (same criteria) are Vermont, Hawaii, New York, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts. Theirs is 11.27 percent of GDP, per capita average of $50,749.

                  So far per capita is about the same.

                  The next level contains California which JFK wants to exclude but it voted for Reagan and Bush '41 ... oh and Arnold as Governor, so again I wonder why he wants to exclude them. This group also contains Texas which would be in the first group except for the "margin of victory" standard.

                  Almost always Red are Kansas, N. Dakota, Alabama, Texas, Mississippi, S. Dakota, and S. Carolina. Percent is 12.35 and per capita average is $41,837.

                  Almost always Blue are Washington, New Jersey, Maine, Delaware, California, Connecticut, Illinois, and Maryland. Percent is 28.1 and per capita average is $54, 784.

                  So here the 'almost always blue' States beat out the 'almost always red' States with $41,837 to $54,784 per capita average. That's a pretty big difference. Of course cost of living is higher in a lot of those States.

                  Take out California and the percent drops to 14.76, per capita goes from $54,784 to 55,194. So per capita actually rose taking out California. Maybe taking out California isn't such a good idea, JFK-2112.

                  To be fair lets take out Texas from the previous group. Percent drops from 12.35 to 4.4. Texas is a big contributor to this group. Per capita drops from $41,837 to 41,153. Not a big difference, even without Texas. So leaving Texas in is not a problem.

                  The next group is mostly blue but sometime red and vice versa.

                  Mostly red are Montana, Kentucky, Indiana, Georgia, N. Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona, Louisiana, and Virginia. Percent is 16.75 and per capita is $42, 443.

                  Mostly blue are New Hampshire, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Minnesota, and Michigan. Percent is 26.56 and per capita is $45,134.

                  So mostly blue win out with $45,134 to red's $43,443. But not a big difference.

                  That leaves Nevada, W. Virginia, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, and Ohio which have about an even vote margin between Red and Blue.

                  So let's add up all but this last group. We have 22 in the Red category and 21 in the Blue category. Seven are a mix so not included.

                  Red percent of GDP=32.59% and Blue GDP=52.59%. So a huge difference in percentage. Blue states produce about 20% more of the total U.S. GDP than Red States.

                  But let's take out California's 13.34% and we get Blue's 39.25 % to Red's 32.59% or about 7% more for Blue. Not huge but still a clear winner.

                  Take out Texas and California and Red states drop to 24.64% vs Blue's 39.25%. About a 15% favor for Blue states.

                  Let's consider per capita. Without California and Texas, Red per capita is $44,082 to Blue's $51,914. Blue states pull in about $7,832 more for each individual.

                  With Texas the numbers are $44,167 to Blue's $51,914. Blue states still clearly win without California. Include California and it's Red = $44,167 to Blue = $49,824. Blue per capita actually went down but still bests Red states by $5,657 per capita. Ok, JFK-2112, we'll agree with you and take out California to give an advantage to the Blue States. (kidding)

                  So we can say, yes, Blue states produce more GDP as a whole and per capita than Red States. Democratic Blue States are better off per capita than Republican Red States. Cost of living has not been included as a factor and might even out the scores a bit. Still it looks like the clear producers of GDP and higher incomes are the Blue States.

                  So that begs the question, "Why do Republicans think they are the most fiscially sound when Democratic States out-perform them in GDP and per capita income? How are they going to make things better when the Red States are clearly not doing as well?

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.2 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:34 AM EDT

                  I tell you why. COST OF LIVING!!!! even out the scores a bit?? Try a TON. Try living in New york city on $50,000. Try living in LA on $50,000? You cannot. Most blue states as you say have a much higher cost of living which would totally change your figures. Because Dems tax tax tax people so much that's another reason your numbers are screwed up, I'll bet taxes are much lower in red states. Try living in RI where the DEMS tax are trying to tax everything, even air. Please compare apples to apples next time. Also, please explain how taxing those making $250,000 (millionaires as Obama stated) will save our trillion upon trillion dollar deficit? Also please explain how going around LAWS is going to help any citizen? ILLEGALS are ILLEGALS!

                    #10.3 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:16 PM EDT
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                    The GOP/RNC "Speculator and Chief" is not mentally fit to ever become President of the United States. This video sums up the lack of character this very mentally disturbed individual has. The GOP/RNC "Romulian" is so "Alien" to 47% or more of our nation that he has economically, poltically, socially, and culturally written off our fellow citizens. How can the GOP/RNC "Speculator and Chief" want to become President? When he only will farily represent the top 1% of Americans! Does this sound like treason to you my fellow citizens? The GOP/RNC "Speculator and Chief" does not even willing to reach out and help over half or our fellow citizens. This is a very UnPresidential thing to do for anyone who wants to run for Office Of The Presidency. The GOP/RNC "Romulian" has NO intention of economically helping the Middle Class, the Working Poor, the elderely, and the disabled. Any Military Veteran who collects any type of welfare is not going to be represented by the GOP/RNC "Romulian." All families that need food stamps are being supported by the "Food Stamp" President. According to the "Economic Evil" of the GOP/RNC "Speculator and Chief." Any student that needs loans for continuing their educations are lazy and need to get a "Slave Labor" type job. This is the true "Economic Educational" philosophy of the GOP?RNC "Speculator and Chief." At Bain Capital "Romulian Romney" bought into the Bain Economic Philosohpy, and he helped move this idea forward. Any citizen that has to work for a living are losers. Any citizen that becomes sick and cannot work is a loser at heart. Any citizen that has a disability is a loser, and they are not responsible for their own actions. The GOP/RNC "Romulian" has NO sympathy for American Citizens that do not make more than One Million a year. In this video the GOP/RNC "Speculator and Chief" had committed TREASON! That is fact!

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#11 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

                    Mr. Romney was correct in what he said as was Obama when he said he wants to RE-Distribute wealth. If I were you I would show some pride in myself. Stop putting your hand out and EARN of living or DIE!

                      #11.1 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:18 PM EDT
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                      Frum has some salient points also...

                      -------------------------------------------------------------

                      As David Brooks asked this morning:

                      Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?

                      More than one-fifth of Romney's moocher 47% are elderly: people who pay no income taxes because their income takes the form of Social Security - many of those people are Republican voters (even if they don't understand "dependency" to apply to them).

                      Among today's elderly, the great majority will receive more in Medicare benefits than they ever paid in taxes - dependency again. You can do the math for yourself and your parents right here:

                      (Those who retired prior to 1967 received full Medicare benefits without ever paying into Medicare at all.)

                      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/18/here-s-why-mitt-s-100-wrong-on-the-47.html

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#12 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

                      Some of what you say regarding seniors may be true, but I believe that is a small minority who have these difficult health issues that maybe take out slightly more than they paid into medicare. I know that I have 1300 a year deducted from my social security benefits for medicare yet I know for a fact that I have been to the doctor so infrequently and make 2 or 3 trips to the doctor with a total bill of approximately $300.00, of which I pay a co-payment of $60.00 total. That means for every $1300 I pay into medicare I get $240. of benefit and the medicare system pockets $1160. for absolutely nothing in return. On the whole I am healthy in spite of my disability, were it other wise I would probably work until I am 80 years old or more. When seniors need the greatest care they are already at the end of their life cycle and the time they actually cost more than they have paid is extremely short.

                      You better do your math again because I claim your logic to be flawed.

                        #12.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:32 PM EDT
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                        Will First Read mention a video from 1998 that surfaced today, where Obama said "I am in favor of redistribution"....?

                        maybe...if they get permission from David Axelrod....

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#13 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:10 PM EDT

                        bob; The largest redistribution of wealth in the history of the world was during 2007 and 2008 where many trillions of $$$ went upward to the 1% percent. Only fair to spend a few years redistributing to the rest of Americans....isn't it?

                        • 7 votes
                        #13.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:15 PM EDT
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                        oh my gosh....Romney is so hypocritical it defies logic!!!

                        In response to Cavuto, Romney agreed that members of the military and seniors are among the Americans who do not pay federal income taxes, but then said, "I do believe we should have enough jobs and enough take-home pay to allow people to pay taxes ... I think people would like to be paying taxes."

                        Hey Mitt, if people "would like to be paying taxes"....then why do you hide your money in off-shore accounts and take every loophole and tax break you can find to pay 13.9%, way less then most middle-class Americans....don't you "like to be paying taxes"!

                        • 9 votes
                        Reply#14 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:12 PM EDT

                        Dragon, Good thing you voluntarily pay far more in taxes than you actually owe under the law....otherwise you be a hypocrite criticizing Romney for paying what he legally owes in taxes....

                        • 1 vote
                        #14.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

                        bob: I never said Mitt doesn't pay what he legally owes...only that he said people would like to pay taxes...yet he obviously doesn't since he takes every loophole and tax break he can to get his taxes much lower than the average American - loopholes and tax breaks that average hardworking Americans are not able to take advantage of.

                        What part of my comment was too difficult for you to comprehend?

                        • 5 votes
                        #14.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

                        Dragon, if Mitt Romney would release his tax information and prove he is not a felon, we would be more apt to agree with you. He is hiding something or else he would not have such a terrible time disclosing the same as he demands from others including our President.

                        My biggest beef with Romney is his arrogance prancing around as though he has already won the election. My biggest thrill will be when he gets stomped by the voters who know him as a liar who couldn't utter a true statement if his life depended on it. He is all deceit and illusion, I would like him to experience a size 12 boot in his mouth, I mean a$$, hard to know which end is which cause both ends spout sh!t.

                          #14.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:40 PM EDT
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                          I believe there is a new club started up by Obama for LOSERS....The members there wear a name tag that reads...Hello I'm "Ineeda Handout". Where do we sign up at???

                            Reply#15 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

                            obama: Gosh darn Repubs in those red states that we have to support...they moochers...hey Repubs in red states....stop taking more federal money than you give...stop being moochers...Romney doesn't like moochers....so he doesn't like you!

                            The truth of the economics of this country are pretty clear: The producers, the Blue states drive a majority of the GDP while the Red states have economies based on cheap labor and resource extraction and TAKE more from the federal government than they contribute.

                            When you add up all the spending the federal government does, it's the Republicans areas that suck out over 170 billion dollars a year more in federal spending than they contribute in taxes. That basically means they pay not a dime for all the federal programs.

                            So, which voters are really 'dependent on government'? Those that pay for our federal government or those that are net beneficiaries.

                            If you're living off the government indirectly, chances are you're a Republican. Like Bachmann decrying big government while benefiting from subsidies, they aren't even aware of it and if they are, they won't admit it.

                            • 5 votes
                            #15.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:22 PM EDT

                            So, you rather give a hand out to the 1% that is already filthy rich? what a moron.

                            • 4 votes
                            #15.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:23 PM EDT

                            I'm donating to the SPCA/Shriners/St. Jude....the rest of you liberals forget it.

                              #15.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:12 PM EDT

                              Obamabot2012, screw you. Romney would euthanize war vets who did not come back healthy enough to work and pay taxes, I think he would also euthanize seniors before allowing them retirement benefits.

                              • 1 vote
                              #15.4 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:43 PM EDT

                              You know what? I think Rmoney is trying to throw this thing. Mabey he thinks he get to keep all the money he's collecting.

                              • 2 votes
                              #15.5 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:42 AM EDT
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                              What do you expect as a follower of Joseph Smith the swindler. An apple tree never bear a banana fruit.

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#16 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

                              The truth of the economics of this country are pretty clear: The producers, the Blue states drive a majority of the GDP while the Red states have economies based on cheap labor and resource extraction and TAKE more from the federal government than they contribute.

                              When you add up all the spending the federal government does, it's the Republicans areas that suck out over 170 billion dollars a year more in federal spending than they contribute in taxes. That basically means they pay not a dime for all the federal programs.

                              So, which voters are really 'dependent on government'? Those that pay for our federal government or those that are net beneficiaries.

                              If you're living off the government indirectly, chances are you're a Republican. Like Bachmann decrying big government while benefiting from subsidies, they aren't even aware of it and if they are, they won't admit it.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#17 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:23 PM EDT

                              Anyone who still thinks Obama is trying to take the work requirement out of welfare is not paying attention (here's to you Harley "the racist" chic) . Take some time to read the requirements that have been put forth. Obama has done the exact opposite....

                              FYI, there are plenty of white people who take advantage of the system as well. I'm white, am able to notice this, and able to notice that you "ma'am"(I use this term loosely) are a racist.

                              Enjoy Karma!

                              • 6 votes
                              Reply#18 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

                              The race card. HAHAHA now that's funny! Please explain how Obama is NOT racist? Please I'd like to be informed. Don't tell me about the WHITE cop in Boston. No NO Obama wasn't racist. If Obama had a son he would be like T. Martin?? NO NO not racist at all. Letting all the Illegals free even though the Dream act failed. No No not racist.

                                #18.1 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:24 PM EDT
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                                I think I'm going to be sick! This is the kind of person people want in the white house. If that's the case time to move out of the freaking country. Start packing now!

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#19 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:25 PM EDT

                                sarah: Mitt won't be in the WH....thank goodness...too many Americans, even Repubs don't like or trust him...and this video once again shows why.

                                • 3 votes
                                #19.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:31 PM EDT

                                A moron? Not all repubs like him, sorry sarrah. The only reason some republicans is helping him because they don't like a black president.

                                • 3 votes
                                #19.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:38 PM EDT

                                C jay your just another moron that dose not understand 2012. go to PBIA and get a one way ticket the hell out of America and stip trying to destroy it like the OREO !!!!!!!

                                  #19.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:59 PM EDT
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                                  Let me get this straight,Mittens doesn't care about our soldiers,our seniors,our disabled vets,our disabled in general ??? Well Mr.Romney,we won't care come November 6th when we vote either !!!

                                  • 4 votes
                                  Reply#20 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:31 PM EDT

                                  What I think about Mr. Romney and his statements are he thinks he should be given the Presidency because of what he perceives is the PResident's failures on everything from the economy to Russia and Iran to Medicare and Medicaid but as you can see he doesn't know what to do to combat it. He said many times before that he wouldn't have given a timeline to get out of Afghanistan, but yet he wants to tell Iran here's what gone do and we're planned to go to war at any moment and that somehow will make them back off trying to have nuclear weapons. I beg to differ on that with Mr. Romney in that if were an Iranian and you told me that we're ready to go to war with you I'm going to make as many nuclear weapons as fast as I can so I'll be able to go toe to toe with you. at leastthat's my opinion eveything else he was talking about is a little to incoherent to dicepher what he's saying.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#21 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:32 PM EDT

                                  Exactly. His entire platform is based on 20/20 hind sight and what ifs. He's campaigning from behind. What if one of his what ifs blew up in his face. He only has an idea of what he would do AFTER someone else took a shot at it. Does he have solutions without first having examples? Doesn't seem that way.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #21.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:18 PM EDT

                                  Chicago MOBpolitics...you can not run on you sorry record..belittle the other guy with lies and innuendos!!

                                  Our fearless leader, the chosen one, the messiah --only has the Barney Fife type of security(except for himself)....Americans can only shoot beanbags.. not even a bullet in the pocket...ask the parents of dead HERO -Agent Brain Terry!!

                                  If armed Marines had of been the security, the headlines would be...Americans kill, rape and mutilate defenseless children and women...Ask Jon Kerry ( UNFIT FOR COMMAND) about his lies to Congress in 1971!!!!. Anti-Americans show up in many forms...ETERNAL VIGILANCE is required and all due caution expected to be afforded by our leaders!!!! THAT is too much to ask of the Chicago MOB!!!

                                    #21.2 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:08 PM EDT
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                                    So, is the American public just supposed to ignore the trashing that Gov. Romney put on Hispanics as well as others?

                                    Wonder if Marco Rubio will try to spin those comments or simply pretend they weren't made.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#22 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:38 PM EDT

                                    Hi, Matthew.

                                    See - I thought there might be more to Governor Romney's comments at the fund raiser than the original Mother Jones article.

                                    While he spoke at a fund raiser, he did in fact, ask for advice from his audience on what they, as supporters, thought he should do in the campaign. It was, in effect, then, a strategy meeting.

                                    It read to me like a thoughtful discussion of the issues. And he talked about the realities of the campaign. Republicans don't have the support of African Americans, or a majority of Hispanics. He's not trashing them, I think he's stating a fact - and I'm glad to see him express a discomfort with that reality. He acknowledges the Republican party has more up and coming Latino leaders - and he hopes that will help broaden Republican appeal to that group.

                                    It will take a lot of work to reach these two groups. Too often reaching these groups is written off as too daunting a task. I give him credit for thinking he should try.

                                    That's my interpretation any way.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #22.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:58 PM EDT

                                    If Marco Rubio is half as smart as he pretends to be, he will be voting Democrat this time around.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #22.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:46 PM EDT
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                                    lol i love this line about us being "weak"..as if the world didnt make it known they HATED us during Bush and his Rome type attitude towards the world...we are not the world police. We are not the world power..we are one great country...lets try and remember that, and not go back to the days where other countries not muslim hate us too! (IE France, Germany, etc)

                                      Reply#23 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:41 PM EDT

                                      The American Intellect is dead ,as evident by Romney's most recent gaffe.As an independent I thought Romney was a potential vote because anyone who can make $300 million dollars in one year is someone I would like to know but not now.Romney is just some privileged kid given opportunities from friends and family contacts,he is out of touch. No wonder terrorist suicide bombers want to bomb our private supper clubs,country clubs and any symbol of exclusionary elitist.

                                        Reply#24 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

                                        If someone hid and taped B. Hussein the Libtards and MSM would be screaming their heads off.

                                        In my opinion there is nothing in this world that is sicker than a liberal.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#25 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

                                        it feels soooo good, to see a retard like you being hurt, because the guy he follows is exposed as the same retard, you are....

                                        What goes around comes around.... remember... Obama and the "cling to their guns and bible"... how often was that to hear on FauxNoise !!! :-))))))))
                                        Ahhh life is soooo good and beautiful !!!

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #25.1 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:56 PM EDT

                                        Volker is just another delusional uneducated liberal with a guilt complex and zero work ethics. VOLKER GO TO PBIA AND GET A ONE WAY TICKET OUT OF AMERICA IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT ?????????????????????

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #25.2 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:57 PM EDT

                                        Trouble...President Obama doesn't skulk in closets with closed doors, conversely, with Romney it is a way of life.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #25.3 - Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:49 PM EDT

                                        Why do most Republicans sound like a 14 year old boys? lol

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #25.4 - Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:12 AM EDT
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