COSTA MESA, Calif. — Mitt Romney said Monday evening that his comments about voters who don't pay income taxes were "not elegantly stated," but did not distance himself from the substance of his surreptitiously recorded remarks at a closed-door fundraiser in May.
GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney defended his unguarded comments, secretly recorded at a private fundraising event in May and provided to the liberal magazine Mother Jones, that shows him speaking frankly about Obama's supporters. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.
The Republican presidential nominee hastily arranged a press conference to do damage control related to comments he made at a private fundraiser, which were secretly recorded and first brought to light by the liberal magazine Mother Jones.
"Of course individuals are going to take responsibility for their life, and my campaign is about helping people take more responsibility and becoming employed again — particularly those who don't have work," Romney said at the Segerstrom Center for the Arts in Costa Mesa, Calif.
At the fundraiser, held at the home of a supporter in Florida, Romney was captured responding to a questioner who asked what he would do to ensure Americans take care of themselves.
A surreptitious recording of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney speaking at a private fundraiser raised questions as to whether or not Romney was saying what he believed or what he thought the audience wanted to hear. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what," Romney said.
Romney added: "My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5-10 percent of people who are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon, in some cases, emotion, whether they like the guy or not."
Tonight Romney argued that those comments showcased the extent of the differences between himself and President Barack Obama on the role of government in American lives, and sought to link them to his regular stump speech remarks about what he calls the democratic vision for an "entitlement society."
"This is, of course, something I talk about a good deal in rallies and speeches and so forth, which is the president and I have very different approaches to the future of America and what it takes to ignite our economy and put people back to work," Romney said. "The president believes in what I’ve described as a government centered society where government plays a larger and larger role, provides for more and more of the needs of individuals and I happen to believe instead in a free enterprise, free individual society where people pursuing their dreams are able to employ one another, build enterprises, build the strongest economy in the world."
VIDEO: David Corn of Mother Jones discusses the Romney recording
But when he was asked whether he was distancing himself from his comments on tape, and whether he worried that he had offended a number of Americans, Romney suggested that Obama's message on taxes is, in fact, "attractive" to Americans who aren't paying any taxes, "and therefore, I'm not likely to draw them into my campaign as effectively as those who are in the middle."
Today's firestorm over the leaked fundraiser comments marked the second time Romney's overheard remarks at a finance event have generated national headlines. In April, he told a group of donors in Florida he would consider eliminating the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and dramatically reshaping the Department of Education (among other details not regularly shared on the campaign trail).
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney comments on the controversial video of him speaking at a private fundraiser.
Tonight, the GOP nominee denied that he delivers two separate messages to his fundraisers and the American people at large, saying most of what he says in his remarks at finance events is the same as his stump speech. But Romney acknowledged that, in question and answer sessions, donors like to ask process questions about the campaign — issues in which Romney said Monday evening that Americans have little interest, but that donors like to have answered by the candidate.
Under increasing scrutiny, Romney campaign turns to details
"At a fundraiser you have people say governor how are you going to win this? And so I respond well, the president has his group I have my group. I want to keep my team strong and motivated and I want to get those people in the middle, that’s something which fundraising people who are parting with their monies are very interested in knowing can you win or not and that’s what this was addressing," Romney said.
Romney's comments quickly developed into more of a story after the release of the video, prompting an attack from President Barack Obama's campaign manager late Monday afternoon.
"It's shocking that a candidate for President of the United States would go behind closed doors and declare to a group of wealthy donors that half the American people view themselves as ‘victims,’ entitled to handouts, and are unwilling to take ‘personal responsibility’ for their lives," said Jim Messina, the president's campaign manager. "It’s hard to serve as president for all Americans when you’ve disdainfully written off half the nation.”
The Romney campaign tried to act quickly to deal with the fallout from the potentially damaging story, releasing a statement early evening from communications director Gail Gitcho looking to add context to the former Bain Capital executive's remarks.
RELATED: Romney: Senior staffers 'work extraordinarily well together'
But for the Republican's campaign, the emerging firestorm associated with these recordings couldn't have come at a worse time.
A series of polls conducted in the week following the back-to-back party conventions found that Obama had strengthened his advantage over Romney. These polls and Romney's attack on the president's handling of a siege on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya prompted a new round of open grousing from within the GOP about the state of the Romney campaign.
On top of that, POLITICO reported Sunday about infighting and blurry lines of authority within the Romney campaign — an ominous sign, given that this sort of finger-pointing is usually more characteristic of losing campaigns.
Romney himself addressed those reports, telling Telemundo this afternoon that his "senior campaign people work extraordinarily well together."
The Republican's campaign also tried to regroup with a new messaging effort they said would add detail to Romney's existing proposals, an initiative which may well be consumed by the uproar associated with the fundraiser video.
Romney said he would "certainly appreciate" if the leaker — whose identity isn't publicly known — would release the entire tape to provide more context for his remarks.
The Romney campaign began to allow reporters to cover some of their finance events in early May. Typically, a small group of reporters is allowed to sit in for the candidate's formal remarks on behalf of all their colleagues, then file a report for the pool. Events where Romney does not give formal remarks, or where he speaks at a private home or business are exempted from this coverage, so many of Romney's finance events happen far away from the eyes of the press.
Coincidentally, the Romney campaign told reporters just this morning, they would begin to allow video and news photo coverage of their large finances events as well — including planned events in Utah and Dallas.
NBCNews.com's Michael O'Brien contributed to this report.
Who wants to bet that Willard will not attend or even be invited to the 2016 convention? Bush hasn't attended the last two conventions and the only person who mentioned him at Tampa was his brother. What makes Willard think he will be treated any better than the man who actually won two presidential elections? Enjoy being forgotten Willard. You see Willard, unlike McCain and Kerry, you don't have a senate seat to rehabilitate your reputation and you are too boring and bland for Faux News. You will be nothing more than a footnote, an answer to a trivia when this is over. It couldn't happen to a more deserving douche bag either.
Mitt, Mitt. Mitt -
What are we going to do with you? A Harvard MBA & JD and you couldn't even figure out how to ride the Boston "T" Governot and needed a personal tour. Then you say something as idiotic as this.
Hey guy - this is NOT Bain, got that? Some people who work hard and pay taxes (and yes, I've looked at all 203 pages of your 1040, plus all the trusts) actually get offended by this kind of "chumming".
Maybe all of us who got MPH's (at the same place, BTW) were told on the front end that we would probably end up making less AFTER our degrees than before.
But we were amused that law school grads wore Sharks at graduation.
And maybe, just maybe, we will leave the world a better place than we found it.
Ugly comments from an ugly person. I'm not on welfare. I don't receive any help from the government. I support Obama. Romney is a wiener.
47% dont pay Federal Taxes. But once you remove the Elderly, and people that have jobs and pay a 15.3% payroll tax that is higher then what Romney paid in taxes. That number is down to 17%, which includes those unemployed. Have a good one Mitts. Love the fact an Oboma voter is a person on government support! And you dont need to care about them
He speaks the truth.
I wish he would talk like this at all the campaign stops.
This stuff has to be addressed and I'm glad someone has the guts to say it even though it isn't "PC."
What's newsworthy is Romney just alienated half the voting public! Oh, he shouldn't worry, he far enough ahead that it wont matter, right?
What Romney said is sad but true. People vote for their own short sighted self-interest. Most of the 47% don't care that this country will eventually go bankrupt, as long as they keep their cushy union or government job. They don't care that we're lowering our defenses in a dangerous world and ignoring our interests abroad, as long as the welfare check keeps coming.
Of course, the easy answer is to raise taxes on the wealthy, but what happens when the wealthy decide to build businesses and wealth away from America? Let's not forget that we live in a global economy. Entrepreneurs can and will take their ideas and tax dollars to countries that appreciate their societal contributions. Other countries are offering low taxes and less red-tape to anyone who cares to invest and create jobs. If we instead increase tax rates and red-tape, we won't retain job creators.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend." - Margaret Thatcher
Your right Elliot it is true. The majority pay MORE IN PAYROLL TAX then Romney does
33% Payroll at 15.4% higher then Romneys 14 %...11% elderly, and now we are down to 17% add in 8% unemployment and that number is under 10% in reality. ARITHMETIC MITT
Puleeze, many who support President Obama are doing very well thank you. But what we really MUST demand is to see your tax returns Mitt! Come on, take some personal responsibility!
Bob Steiner -- At first I thought you were talking about the Tea Party and the "eating the corn seed" austerity, and the "I've got mine" mentality and other short-sighted self serving view.
The 47% who don't pay federal income taxes are the self-employed/business owners (many in the riches 5% to richest 2% -- earning under 250K that Romney refers to as "middle class") who use write offs to show zero income. The working poor were given tax credits in exchange for not indexing the minimum wage to inflation -- that was the Republican's idea. Now Romney/Ryan and the GOP want to get rid of both the tax credits and the minimum wage, let alone increasing it to the $11/hour it should be now.
Alienated half the voting public???? now that is funny...half the voting public is already owned, indentured servants of the Democratic Party...He isn't going to lose one single vote by telling the truth
Poor, poor Mitt Romney.
What a Jerk.
I guess Mitt likes to pay No Income Tax the "OLD FASHION WAY",
by stealing the PENSION FUNDS of you hard-working Middle class Factory workers,
and then LAUNDERING your STOLEN FUNDS through his phony CAYMAN ISLAND shell companies,
then squirreling your STOLEN MONEY in his hidden SWISS BANK accounts,
so he Mitt Romney doesn't have to Pay any Income tax for TEN YEARS.
Heck, by MITT ROMNEY's own standards, he should be VOTING for BARACK OBAMA.
Hey all you FEDERAL WORKERS and UNDECIDED VOTERS, make sure you all VOTE a straight DEMOCRATIC ticke come this November 2012.
Let's send Mitt Romney and his Republican Masters "BACK to the POLITICAL DUNG HEAP of HISTORY",
where they all belong.
ps, Is this a Great post, or what?
Mr.PheaNiques-0000001
The Sky is Blue...The Grass is Green...The Oceans Deep...The Mountains High
The Democrats require the Government to tuck them in bed at Night
Exactly what part of his statement is news worthy
Im a Democrat and dont need anything from the government but to keep us safe! If you believe what this guy says then vote for him and get everything thats coming to you. God forbid anything happens to you or your family because "He doesnt care about 47% of us" And since he hasnt paid federal taxes in over 10 yrs who is he voting for?
The suicide rate will skyrocket after election night when the Dem's LOSE... Obama is done and the media is the only the last to know...
Romney is only 1-2 points average behind and is maintaining his spot.
what did Romney state in Sunday talk shows "that we need to make trade with china even, so the US can compete...
Obama today now is going after china trade tax...he is a follower and always trying to play catch-up. you only have to look at Libya to see he has lost control. what idiot doesn't allow "the protection staff to carry weapons" it insults them "Muslims". well you know what Mr. President EVERYTHING insults them and they wants us dead...
Well, gee, that just makes you wonder how any Republican ever got elected president. Like George W. Bush, the previous president, who ran on exactly the same platform that Mitt Romney is running on.
No, you and Mitt Romney must be right! Romney will be defeated this Fall, not because of a flawed economic policy that has been proven to be wrong, but because 47% of the voting populace are guaranteed Democratic voters because they feel "entitled".
Maybe, just maybe, if the Republican party gave us something to vote for...
Morons!
Yeah, Mr. Obama....take some personal responsibility.....show the American people your college transcripts and STUDENT LOAN RECORDS.
Romney! Release your tax records!
how many bad days can Mitt Romney really have? He thinks he can get out of a whole by digging upward....
Talk about funny! Thinking that remark wont cost him any votes. And thinking he's got the election wrapped up. Now that is what I call optimistic!
"Vote a straight Democratic ticket..."
Why drag that into the argument?
Mitt Romney, the man with a silver shotgun in his mouth.
I may not vote straight Dem. I'll vote for who ever is the best. But Mitt can rest assured I won't be voting for him.
Awesome. The beast has revealed himself.
You idiots have really drank the msnbc koolaide.. Romney has released last year his 2009-2010 and when his taxes are complete his 2011 tax returns...and it was 14 % what he paid and donated over $4 million a year in charity...
What have you big mouths donated???? Oh yea you didn't !!!!!
What the "liberal Media" wants is 10 yrs more tax returns. they want the tax returns when he was at Bain capital.. learn to to do some research and get the facts instead of listening to maddcow & schultz who are liars and distort the truths...TRY GOOGLE THEY HAVE ALOT OF INFO !!!! MORONS
I'm an independent, and lean left on social issues, but never needed Government help to date. People like to make it seem that all dems want a hand out, but how does a right wing Christian act as if helping those less fortunate is a bad thing? Seems hypocritical to the nth degree.
Anyway, back on subject, if he can't be more elegant let's hope he dosen't get a job where diplomacy is important, foreign or otherwise.
ldo -
What is this fixation on transcripts??
What part of Law Review do you not understand?? (and what it takes to be on Law Review).
I have a decent job for the area of the country I live. I make nearly 50,000. My wife doesn't work so she can raise our 2 kids instead of a daycare doing it. So, we haven't paid any federal income taxes since we had 2 kids. I am part of the 47%, so I have to assume that Romney doesn't care about me or my problems. I don't collect welfare, unemployment, food stamps, or any other goverment assistance and never have. I just don't make enough to qualify for federal income taxes at this time. I don't expect the govermment to take care of me nor do I want it to. The problem here is I have a tech job for a manufacturing firm and wages have severely been depressed. I haven't had a raise in 4 years and 4 years ago my pay was cut 13%. I would have been making about 58,000 at this point and probably would be paying some income tax. Who controls my wages? The 1%. It's their fault I don't make enough to pay an income tax. Pay me what I deserve, job-creators, and I will render unto Caesar that which is Caesars. Romney is an out of touch jackass.
Part of the reason so many Americans don’t pay federal income taxes is that Republicans have passed a series of very large tax cuts that wiped out the income-tax liability for many Americans. That’s why, when you look at graphs of the percent of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, you see huge jumps after Ronald Reagan’s 1986 tax reform and George W. Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. So whenever you hear that half of Americans don’t pay federal income taxes, remember: Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush helped build that. (You also see a jump after the financial crisis begins in 2008, but we can expect that to be mostly temporary.)
Some of those tax cuts for the poor were there to make the tax cuts for the rich more politically palatable. “Do you think we wanted to include a welfare payment to people who don’t pay taxes and call it a tax cut?” A top Bush administration official once asked me. “No. But that’s what we needed to do to get it done.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/17/romneys-theory-of-the-taker-class-and-why-it-matters/
For a group of people, who claim to be the party of Science, you seem to especially prone to Idol Worship...refusal to see or acknowledge facts might help you sleep at night, but facts are facts
So full of hate and fear that you might lose your blanky, that you cannot even think for yourselves any more...Sad really...I just hope our great grand children never fully understand what our generation has done to this Country
Pay taxes all your life and when you're down on your luck or you get old you're expendable. Use people up and throw them away. It's how Mitt makes his money.
This guy looks more and more like a COMPLETE IDIOT EVERYDAY
Hah! Romney is talking about his own party and doesn't even know it. 75% of the states that take more from the government than they give are RED states.
What's the big deal here? Romney simply states facts. 47% of Americans don't pay any income taxes - FACT. And, that 47% will vote for Obama in order to preserve their welfare check or other handout - FACT. There's no fallout here; we have a huge percentage of our population who are losers sucking at the public teat. So, where's the big fallout from speaking the obvious truth?
I would agree with him on certain points, but as a woman, cannot in good conscience vote for him. Nor will I vote for Obama. My 8 yr. old son has more strength of will doing his math homework than he seems to have in Foreign Policy. I'm writing in Bill the Cat. I'm one of those squirely independent, non-partisan voters that has had it up to here with the political crap.
Would Bill the Cat get us anywhere? No. But it would be a damn sight less scary and my conscience would rest easy.
If reckless remarks at fundraisers buried a presidential campaign, John McCain would be president right now. Joe Scarborough
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. John McCain
One of the most reckless remarks ever stated.
Mr. Romney has just tethered 47% of the American public to the roof of his car.
1."Mr. Flip Flop , explain to everybody how placing your money into shelters overseas so you can get away with paying less then 14 percent in annual taxes is helping Americans?"
2."Mr.Flip Flop, do you send the bulk of your money overseas because you value the trade of other countries over America's, or did you send your money over there so you didn't have to pay as much in taxes as everybody else does?"
3."Mr. Flip Flop you like to say that you pay what you owe in taxes and not a dollar more. What if the vast majority of America thinks you should pay a lot more? Do you agree with the majority of American people and pay more taxes or tell them you don't care and don't want their votes anyways?"
4."Mr. Flip Flop , do you think all Americans should pay less then 14 percent of their annual incomes to taxes, like you do, even though that would plunge this great nation into third-world status almost immediately?
5. "Mr. Flip Flop only the rich could take advantage of loopholes you have used to insure you pay less in taxes then almost all Americans who pay taxes. Should that be how America's tax code works? Should rich people, like yourself, pay smaller percent of your income to taxes when people like our
military, cops, social workers, firefighters have to pay a great deal more?
WHERE ARE YOUR TAX RETURNS?
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?
@ lola3
And Bill the Cat would probably make a better president than either of two currently running
Comrade TruePatriot-445959, you would do well in Soviet Russia.
People won't take risks, invest their own money or work hard in order to support unqualified workers- communism's failure proved that. People will take risks, invest their own money and work hard to better their own circumstances. Demanding that small business owners break their back for the nefit for others is not only unrealistically naive, but also deeply unfair and un-American. Soviet Russia tried re-educating the "greedy rich", how did that work out? Like it or not in a global free-trade economy we must compete for "greedy" job creators, despite how you feel about human nature. The way we do that is to lower taxes and decrease red-tape.
We need people who create wealth, business, entrepreneurs, etc. We need to compete for them on a global scale. Catering to unions, government employees who do not create wealth, by raising taxes and wages, will eventually result in the loss of wealth creators and bankrupt this country.
That's the reality. It'd be great if everyone could have everything that they want, big homes and two cars. Unfortunately, that just is not the way the world works, despite President Obama's entreaties to the contrary.
Bravo Ido.....nicely put.
Our economy is in the tank, Obama's outright failure of foreign policy has our embassies getting attacked and soldiers killed by our allies, our education system is worse than four years ago, unemployment is rampant, gas prices are through the roof and our GDP is flat.
Not a SINGLE thing this administration has had four years to correct is better. Not one thing!
And NBC goes with this as a headline...that Mitt actually had the stones to tell the truth that there is a large contingent of people that vote for Obama because they feel everyone else should take care of their freeloading butts.....
Way to go NBC...way to continue to prove that as a newssource you are ranking right up there with the national enquirer.
Willard is spiraling around the drain. He will land at the bottom of the GOP's cesspool after he is demolished at the presidential debates. Game over.
President Obama by default in November! America is holding an election and the Republican Party's #1 loser, Mitt "Etch-A-Sketch" Romney isn't going to show up!
There goes ole Mitt again, Flip Flop Flip Flop, and insulting our intelligence.
You know how I know Mitt's a Republican?
Because he LIES so much.
Here are the facts about how this country is funded:
36% of all federal revenues now come from PAYROLL TAXES.
Only 17% of American households don't pay income or payroll taxes - mostly the disabled, elderly and students.
Rich folks like Mitt Romney, however, pay NO payroll taxes - since they don't count their income as wages.
And corporate taxes are at their lowest level in the industrialized era - down to only 8% of total federal revenues.
Sources of federal revenue, 2011
Sources of federal tax revenue, 1945-2010
That's more than Mitt paid.
And you Republicans want this clown? Really??
don_draper
While I sympathize with your situation, we are living in a global free-trade economy. Your "greedy" employers could very well outsource your job as a programmer to India for a fraction of your salary.
OH REALLY???!!! Romney won't submit his tax records but he calls the people who don't pay taxes, "Not elegantly stated!" What a PUNK! WHAT A FAT, THICK, IGNORANT PUNK!!!
You don't pay crap (Romney) and then you insult the poor who don't have to pay because THEY'RE POOR!!
YOU'RE THE BIGGEST LIAR SINCE G.W. BUSH.!!! You're foolishness and stupidity have taken the FRONT STEP OF AMERICA!!
You're idiocy and desire for the WHITE HOUSE makes me SICK!!!!!!!!! ROMNEY, YOU SUCK!!
I hate guys who lie, but mostly, I hate guys who lie and then make a fool of themselves while they lie!!
GO OBAMA! THE REPUBLICANS ARE IDIOTS! VOTE DEMOCRATIC! VOTE OBAMA!
Helping those less fortunate is not a bad thing but a Noble thing. But helping those less fortunate who want to remain less fortunate so they can keep getting help without putting any effort to better themselves is WRONG.
There is a difference John. Your tax dollars should be able to work effeciently so government can provide oppurtunity for those who are less fortunate, not by just donating stuff but to be able to provide employment so they can take care of themselves.
when will people realize that and stop brining in religion into every thing. Bringing in religion into everything is a fashion now a days. that does not make anyone religious but just plain ignorant fools.
If every president was elegant, with words or work, then America would not be in this situation.
I WOULD PREFER A PRESIDENT WHO IS NOT ELEGANT WITH WORDS THAN WHO IS NOT ELEGANT WITH HIS WORK. So, I will vote for Mitt who is not elegant with words than Mr Obama who is not elegant with his work.
The truth sucks .. Wah my feelings ... Work and what he is saying rings true..
Getting nailed every 2 weeks changes your perspective ...
No one having to work and help pay feels like he was talking about them
Bob - or they could just do what Ryan's GOP House comrades want to do - and bring programmers from India HERE to take the few good-paying jobs that are left:
Americans should know that one of the few bills the GOP has passed in the House of Representatives recently eliminates the caps on skilled foreign workers coming into this country.
It is now in the Senate. We need to speak up NOW and put a stop to this garbage! These are American jobs!
They not only want to ship our jobs overseas, they want to give the ones still in America to foreigners, too.
117,409 American jobs were "outsourced" on our own soil under this law in 2010. And now they want "more"?
Outrageous!
I retired two years ago, live off my Social Security, my Pension, and my IRA's and still have to pay Federal Income Tax, so I must be in the 53 percent that does not mooch off the federal government unlike children, and non working spouses, or elderly whose pension was stolen by some vulture capitalist. What irks me most about the Romney's entitlement speech is that if ever there was an entitlement class it is the people who he was speaking to, those that can maintain their lavish life styles by clipping coupons, who's income is such that they are no longer subject to the FICA, or medicare deductions and have dropped to the %13 tax bracket with well oiled tax avoidance schemes. That is Romney's claim to fame and I don't get how he can represent the whole of the United States if he views half as moochers.
(Spoken in the late Andy Rooney's voice:)
Didja ever notice that the more we see of and learn about Citizen Romney, the less we like him, let alone respect him, or could even remotely believe he'd be a "public servant."
From USA Today:
Who gets food stamps?
The most recent Department of Agriculture report on the general characteristics of the SNAP program's beneficiaries says that in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, 2010:
••47% of beneficiaries were children under age 18.
••8% were age 60 or older.
••41% lived in a household with earnings from a job — the so-called "working poor."
••The average household received a monthly benefit of $287.
••36% were white (non-Hispanic), 22% were African American (non-Hispanic) and 10% were Hispanic.
i absolutely loooove when this guy talks. He truly hangs himself more and more everytime he opens his arrogant elitist pie hole. I guess the unempolyed are supposed to pull jobs out of our a**! Mr romney complains about the people on unemployment or unemployed period but right now i wish you all would check out job forums for the week in your city. My cities is 22% and has been since bush, not obama although it hasnt really gone down. The cities pop is around 600,000 and there are less then 100 job postings per week and most of them drag on for the month. this is looking through govt cites, company cites and job listings through many different agencies. Even if you want to make the argument that i could be missing some which is absolutely a good one, look at the numbers. there is absolutely NO way in this economy that EVERYONE that wants a job can get one. SOmeone is going to get the sh*t end and unfortunately its not just a couple people, we are talking thousands and thousands. Still people blame the poor when they should be blaming the rich. The rich rule us and the middle class bends over everytime to be a pawn in their game because they are afraid to bite the hand that feeds. Just because the corporations give us jobs doesnt mean they are doing everything in a moral way, in fact the opposite and romney is just one of these types. why shouldnt they pay their fair share? they can afford it the poor cannot! were suposed to bow to their will and give them corporate handouts and tax cuts just so they give us jobs! what about wanting to contribute to our world? they think nothing but of themselves if you think they dont, they have fooled you. I dnt really like obama that much, i think he hasnt done enough, but everyday mr. romney is making up my mind for me so thank you elitist snob and you will pay in the afterlife. Bob steiner a lot of people work for the govt you shouldnt generalize and alot of them pay more of a percentage in taxes then romney. Do you mean congressional leaders? You know that their salary is to keep them honest right? even though i doubt it does in most cases. The problem isnt govt, its humans. its greed. it the corporations that own us and own the govt. its the sheeple that lead existance of the masses. i absolutely believe the govt and our people have a duty to take care of the less fortunate. we are a developed nation who pride ourselves for being a "christian nation." haha thats laughable because most of you are the ones on here complaining about taxes when jesus says give to ceaser what is ceasars and help the poor. The hate that is generated for our fellow man stems from the elites pressing us together, keeping us desperate so we will do their will for our own livelihoods. Is it really that hard to see? Desperate people will take work for less than a living wage and benefits. who will protect us when so many turn their backs?
Obama wanted Gitmo closed-not. Pushed for Sulindra-failed. $8000 for clunkers. Marriage between man and a woman-not. Now the military has to participate in gay agendas. Obama makes me so proud. Won't meet with Netanyahu, but the Olympians. Has Beyonce for fund raisers. He has been campaigning since he became President. Now he let 1.8 million more compete for jobs in this country. Oh yeh, Obama is a great choice. NOT
Bob Steiner had this to say:
Ummm, Bob? We don't have 47% of the country on "welfare." Here are some nice figures for you:
Now, let's try some other numbers. If 47% of people in the US (notice that this figure was "people" and not "voters") do not pay any taxes, this probably has a little something to do with the following:
In 2010, there were about 307 million people in the US
About 60 million were under the age of 14
About 16 million were between 15 and 18
About 40 million were over the age of 65
About 5 million were stay-at-home parents
About 9% were unemployed--which would be about 28 million
That's a total of 149 million people--or, guess what, about 48% of Americans. Now, some of those people have jobs, and pay taxes, but there is that 9% or so on welfare (who might be represented in that 9% of people who are unemployed--so I won't count them twice). But, yes, around 47% of Americans do not pay income tax (they have to be paying other taxes, sweetie, as you can't even buy bread without paying taxes)--which is the figure you are using.
So, 47% of people don't pay income tax because . . . 47% of people don't have an income. They are too young, too old, stay-at-home moms, unemployed, or too injured to work.
I think I will start a blog which "shames" those who are among the 47%. It will have pictures of pretty little children, elderly people in wheelchairs with oxygen tanks and . . . well, you get the picture.
You know, it troubles me that the people who think that they are going to set the economy right cannot even do basic math. Even I, a lowly little liberal Democrat, understand statistics and basic addition and percentages. Why don't you?
Tired of all the negative politics.
Glad when the Election is over, whether it is Obama or Romney---
Details, details. I want to hear facts!
What's the matter people??? Romney statements hit way to close to home for you???? Worried your food stamps ans housing might get cut if Oblamo is NOT elected in NOV??? He's not wrong about way too many people thinking their entitled to a free ride!!!!! The fact of the matter is you shouldn't even be worrying about this crap right now. Your President is failing all of us with the situation in the middle East and too many are NOT taking HIM to task for it!!!!!!
RealAmericansFirst,
Unfortunately, due to our unionized public school system, America is experiencing a real shortage of qualified professionals.
I welcome qualified foreign professionals, as long as they meet our standards, and expect that they will contribute to our global economic and workforce competitiveness. Please remember that many naturalized US citizens are patriotic and true Americans.
Bring in the talent, it will only help our country!
There is an admittedly 47% of the voter population that will vote for Obama, no matter what. The polls show that both candidates are at a dead heat. There is a limited amount of time to campaign until election. Are you suggesting that he waste his time and money on votes written in stone, or concentrate on the 2-5% undecided? Obama isn't concerned about his 47%. Why should Romney? Even Axelrod is smart enough to concentrate on the same 2-5%.
I wonder if Romney realizes there are a LOT of hard-scrabble working-class Christians in that 47%. Just having a bunch of kids, even with a decent income can put you in that 47%. Plenty of people in that 47% do not want the government's help. They just want to live. Way to alienate members of your own base, Romney. There are NOT 47% of Americans on welfare and foodstamps, which is what he is implying.
Bob - you misunderstand.
The workers the GOP wants to bring in are not "naturalized American citizens". They're here on H1B work visas.
Most of what they earn will go straight out of the country - back to where their families are.
You really think that with the unemployment rates the way they are that there that there aren't AMERICAN CITIZENS who need those jobs and who are qualified to do them?
BS! The corporations import foreign workers because they're CHEAPER. Instead of raising wages, like the "free market" system would dictate if there really is a shortage of American workers for those jobs.
also going off the above stats from Real americans first, i would just like to point out the majority of people recieving assitance actually HAVE JOBS. what does that say? Some even work 40 hour weeks some very hard jobs in terrible conditions. To me it shows the greed of the corporations. Take mcdonalds, they rarely have full time employees, offer not benefits to positions other than managment mostly , pay minimum or slightly, ever so slightly above. tell me how much their CEO's make daily. you should be ashamed to ever stick up for them! How is one to make a life for just HIMSELF? let alone a fam. think the healthcare issue isnt the govt job to solve? At every job i have ever had, i never received benefits i didnt have to pay through the as* for. My last job, health insurance was 900 monthly for a fam of 4!!! ya you heard me. lets not mention i only got paid around 1500 after taxes! Needless to say you bet my daughter was on a gov program to make sure her needs were met. My husband and i worked our ass*s off everyday to hear people talk about people like us just trying to get by and barely making it. we have all turned against each other and this is what they want. i am ashamed of america sometimes i really am. we boast to be the most humane nation yet we give less of a percentage of our capita to the poor then almost ANY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION!!
Voted for Mr. Obama in 2008 ? YES Embarrassed yet ? NO
Romney-Ryan 2012 to take back America from the Progressives and the Radicals. Ido
Not if he was the last politician on earth. He has no heart & neither do you. I do taxes and you suffer from fuzzy math or is that Republican Math. My clients with an average income under 75,000 pay more in taxes than Mittens does and that includes the elderly, veterans, union workers and just plain Democrats and those that should be Dems after these statements. Its embarrasing and downright irritating how he and you spit upon Americans like that. Remember governemnet entitlement programs include Social Security, all the offshoots like disability, unemployment, medicare, medicaid.
I have better things to do like fold some towels.
These comments from Romney are NOT true and any one who believes that they are true are clueless. I voted for President Obama and will vote for him again and I pay taxes and work for a living. I do not depend on Government nor do I expect any hand outs. I believe that the Government is a tool that can be used for good and not evil and that we have the best system in the entire world. Government doing it's job working with businesses and banks doing their jobs is what makes our economy the strongest in the world. We do not need politicians coming into power to dismantle government and the important role it plays so that it favors only the elite at the top with unfair advantages. Frankly, I do not know why someone with such disdain for government even bothers to run for it unless their sole intent is to ultimately destroy it. Romney should get a clue that there are millions of proud Americans who proudly go to work each day and who favor a system that provides for the common good of all and not just for the wealthy few.
Well said, td3k.
Global market, free trade, These are the big lies.
Its only a global economy because our government has sold our country out to line the pockets of the 1% that finance their elections.
Aliens who profit the corporations are allowed to steal American jobs. Our government allows the production of slave labor to flood our markets causing more jobs to be lost.
USA #1, yeah right, perhaps in number of inmates in prison. Certainly not in math, science, health-care or anything that matters. Oh yeah we are pretty good at creating complex financial instruments and crashing the worlds economy with them. As well as creating lies and invading countries that don't threaten us.
Our Presidents are war mongers and some are war criminals but none are prosecuted, heck they are applauded.
Half our country believes in angels.
We are so ripe for revolution or an American Hitler.
What happened to us?
Frankly I blame the God Reagan. Its been downhill ever since that turnip was elected.
But hey don't mind me, I'm just pissed that interest rates will be low for the next few years so bankers can profit and I cannot retire on my savings.
Much to Citizen Romney's chagrin, he began reading some of Newsvine's posts a while back, and then he decided to play the "welfare card," as so many of his minions on this site do.
I'm convinced he's trying to redefine "epic failure."
Good Job, Citizen Romney! Mission Accomplished!
Think how happy John McCain will be after this election, when his margin of loss doesn't look as bad anymore!
RealAmericansFirst - if that is the case it is indeed unfortunate.
I see that I accidentally linked to the same chart twice in post above.
This one is too interesting to leave off, so here's the correct link:
Sources of federal tax revenue, 1945-2010
Notice how much CORPORATE TAXES have dropped as a percentage of federal revenues over time.
(Note, too, how much of that has been picked up by working people in their payroll tax remittances.)
Now, last year American corporations posted their HIGHEST PROFITS EVER, both as a percentage of GDP and as an inflation-adjusted dollar amount.
Can anyone explain why that is? Except that they're spending those profits to BUY POLITICIANS.
thank you bean@home your comment about the blog of shame brought a tear to my eye! when people talk about these handouts they dont realize the elderly, young and disabled recieve much of the benefits and rightfully so because we are a nation that helps those who cannot help themselves. Stats show only 12 percent of our taxes go towards the poor. keep in mind many of these people have jobs. NOw SS benefits account for 22 percent which is almost double. but in america we care so these people talking of entitlements will be using them when they retire in some form or another. So mitt is actually talking down to a whole bunch of people! wait, did we forget about military spending for a war most of us dont want, and i never wanted? thats 21 percent but hey lets hate on the poor and elderly and disabled some more cus that makes sense...
So he did not stae his words elegantly huh?...When you are talking excrement...there is no elegant way to state your thoughts Mittster. Everytime he opens his mouth the excrement flows out straight from his mind!
Mitt learned that shirts at COSTCO come 3 in a pack....but he did not understand its a real man who wears common clothes. The kind that build America all around him. Being a thief at his level makes him think he is above everyone else. When in reality he is nothing but a common thief. Stealing money from companies, crashing them, and sending American jobs overseas. And he wants to be an AMERICAN president. He detests Americans and comes right out and says so!
Show us your damn taxes you whining uppercrust flip flopping phony!
Mith Romney, who is a billionaire, yet hides his money in overseas accounts and pays a 13% tax rates has any right to judge others!!! ...what about those people who don't pay their fair share of tax and don't let us see their tax returns?
You can shoot yourself in the foot. You can put your foot in your mouth, it takes a special talent to put your foot in your mouth, and THEN shoot yourself in the foot!
My tax rate is higher than Mr. Romney's. The freeloaders I really despise are the multi-millionaires who refuse to contribute their fair share. Show us your tax returns, Mr. Romney. What other President have we had recently who was born on third base and thought he had hit a triple? I guess this guy is a lot like that guy.
How'd that work-out?
I think it's Mr. Romney who is dependent on the government.
He depends on government policies to be able to do what he does:
make money from the work of others and not have to pay fair taxes on it.
If he didn't live in the U.S., he probably wouldn't be where he is and have what he has.
As a matter of fact, we all depend on the government. Any civilized society does.
The final nail in the coffin of the Romney campaign.
To me, it was the tone of his voice that said it all.
Who would want a "leader" like that?
The states relying on government handouts are overwhelmingly republican voting. 67% of federal aid goes to states that overwhelmingly vote red. When you look at the amount of taxes paid by states vs. federal aid received (lowest tax collection rate vs highest aid) 8 of the top 10 are all red states, and one of the exceptions is DC ( where I believe since they have no representation in congress or the senate shouldn't even be paying federal taxes). It isn't the 47% quoted who support Obama.
Ido
As soon as Mitt Robme releases five years of tax returns AND his college transcripts (I'm sure daddy paid for school so no loan records) I'm sure our President will be glad to comply.
Until then just hold your breath until Mitt Robme does that. Thanks.
The Real Mitt Robmey is a Sneering Plutocrat
So many of you decry the fact that there is an estimated 47% of the population that doesn't pay federal income tax and seem to think that everyone that pays no income taxes fall into the same group.
I'm 58 years old and have been retired for 4 years and in that four years I've paid no income taxes because I've had no taxable income. I do however, have enough cash to live a pretty good life, I collect no government aid and have no guilt in being where I am today. Now, if you want to stay working for the rest of you life and proudly die paying income taxes feel free.
The majority of those that do not pay federal income taxes are the elderly who have retired or are living on their legal, earned Social Security benefits. And also keep in mind that there are 7000 working millionaires that pay no federal income taxes. I doubt they are living on government handouts.
OK so now you heard it directly from him. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT US FREE-LOADERS.
THIS FROM AN A$$ THAT REFUSES TO SHOW US HIS TAXES.
BECAUSE WE ARE PARASITES, INSTEAD OF HIM, THAT MADE HIS MONEY FROM...WHAT??? oh yeah!!! Taking it away from OTHERS!!!!
TELL THIS VULTURE CAPITALIST IN AN ELEGANT WAY TO F*** himself on election day! Mybe Clint Eastwood can't tell him that
BUT WE CAN. PLEASE VOTE DEMOCRAT
If this country goes bankrupt...It'll be after some Republican sold the last piece of Yellowstone to some corporation - as a garbage dump. Spent the last dime out of Social security to build road to his Hermitage in the Gated community his friends developed in Sunny Tropical Denali beach front property which was recovered from after the great "pollution War of 2057", itself being triggered after the Great Peoples up rising - when the last wild animals in Alaska were sold off, by voucher lottery to the highest bidder wanting to go down in history as killing the last wild reindeer. Televised? but - of course - pay per view.
The idea of non-monetized activity was long ago relegated to the time before - enlightenment. The government had mandated the no citizen was allowed to sleep more than 2 hours a week. This edict came as a concession to the advertising market, who felt they were not being provided full access to the public. So sleep was regarded as escaping your duty to be awake and expoused to advertisers... 24/hr a day. You could, if rich enough - purchase sleep cycles from "The poor", who sold their 2hr sleep cycles to purchase a ration of clean air sold at Oxygen bars.
All traced back to the ascendancy of Mitty the First. who began the moniterization of every thing from clean air, to real meat taken from real animals - instead of the organically grown pseudo-meat grown in factories.
Bean@home Great post.. Repubs just try and divide and conquer over and over. They did it to the Unions who are your friends, neighbors, and relatives. They did it with the voucher plan. They did it with voter suppression laws and now with wages.....
What really is histerical is how these Romney supporters come on and Bash President Obama and the whole time Romney is BASHING THEM behind their backs. If you are not a millionaire...you aint JACK to Romney. Romney will be jacking up YOUR taxes to pay for his tax breaks. Romney will be privatizing Social Security, Medicare, medicaid, and the Post Office costing you more of your money.
How funny...you Romney supporters are voting against your own self interests while Romney makes fun of you!!!!!
Ann Romney and Mitt ROmney are the most arrogant, disconnected, and self-serving republicans ever to run for office.
HOWEVER, THEY CAN STILL WIN IF YOU DON'T VOTE. ESPECIALLY IN PENNSYLVANIA. PLEASE DON'T BE COMPLACENT..
THE ONLY WAY TO DEFEAT THIS BULLY IS BY VOTING!!!!!
47% of the public are freeloaders?
He got his money the only acceptable way that any American can - from his dad. But he's not a freeloader? Oh, he turned all the money and connections his dad gave him into more money and connections.....
It has gotten so ridiculous in America that there's just no point in arguing anymore. I'll give Romney (or Obama for that matter) my vote when they work for six months in any of the crap jobs I had to do to put myself through college. Stop campaigning and go work in my 'freeloader' jobs like delivering pizza and working in a warehouse or a factory. Any one of the jobs i did for ten years just to get an education and start one wrung above the bottom.
Please Romney or Obama - just six months work like any other American and then get up in front of us and tell us what you learned.
Romney's statement was so insulting to half of this nation, so hypocritical considering his own tax record, and so beneath the office of the presidency and representation of ALL Americans that this one statement alone should end his political career the way the brainwashing statement ended his father's political career.
Mitt just saying it how he sees it from his vantage point.....
he's never had to answer to anyone, not even in business.......he says and others do, no questions asked..in his daily life as well as business.........
kind of hard to stop something that is engrained in you...the idea that you can say or do anything you want without worry of losing your job, or house or income.................
yep, this is good old Mitt doing what he has always done...looking down on anyone with less than money than himself and his ilk.................thought he was in a room with only other uber rich folks and just let loose and was himself............
and now even the republican base, many who are in that 47%, know out of Mitt's own mouth what he really thinks of them.........
how can he be a President of the people when he only recognizes the very few and elite as worthy of his attentions and efforts?
Easy answer................he can't.
What does he have to do to prove to the republican base what an elitist bigoted lying shallow creep who cares nothing about his base or anyone else who is not uber rich..........start sacrificing their first born on an alter?
Gees, people, Mitt wants to gut medicare, medicaid, social security, education and programs for the poor and elderly, take away the health reform bill that helps so many, while raising taxes on the middle class by $2000.00 a year per household and giving the uber rich a $700 Billion dollar tax cut and raising defense spending all the while plotting to take us into one, two, maybe three new wars and sacrificing our foreign relations on the altar of stupidity.....please tell us how any of this is securing a better future for America or Americans.................this is a plan for finishing what George W. Bush started.........the completion of the downfall of America.
Kiss the republican party goodbye before they ruin us all............and if the USA doesn't lead the recovery for the world the rest of the world will not recover either............it all stands on the shoulders of the USA................we must succeed in revitalizing America....and under Mitt's plan there is no recovery--there is only doom.
Romney just said what he believes, that campaigning is a transaction. He buys votes with promises of tax cuts, and if getting a tax cut isn't the most important thing in the country to you, then you have no reason to vote for Romney. To that extent, I agree. I cannot imagine any reason for anyone who is not very wealthy and eyeing a big tax cut to vote for Romney.
He is wrong about the voters, though. There will be lots of the 47% who will vote for Romney for various reasons other than expectation of a tax cut, and there will be lots of middle class and wealthy people who vote for Obama for reasons other than expectation of a handout. It is cynical to paint the race in terms of handouts, but Romney reveals here that handouts for the wealthy are all he has to offer to buy support and votes.
Mitt Romney would stab anybody that would dare stepping in his way of being President. However, AS I SAID IT BEFORE:
MITT ROMNEY IS MITT ROMNEY'S WORST ENEMY. He basically told us over and over again that he is not worried about the poor, that we can always go and ask mom and dad to help us if we are broke, JUST LIKE HE DID.
Ann Romney has the nerve to come out and said that she knows what 'strugling"is, because she was a stay-at-home billionaire mother that NEVER had to change a diaper.
OH PLEASE....DO I HAVE TO LIST ALL THEIR ASININE COMMENTS?????
Vote Democrat
Romney is no stranger to saying stupid things:
"PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air." —Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 2007, responding to criticism from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals following revelations that he had once strapped the family dog to the roof of his car during a 12-hour road trip
I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks." —Mitt Romney, making fun of fans wearing plastic ponchos during a visit to the site of the Daytona 500 Nascar race in Florida, Feb. 26, 2012
"I get speaker's fees from time to time, but not very much." —Mitt Romney, who earned $374,000 in speaking fees in one year according to according to his personal financial disclosure (January 2012)
"I'll introduce you to the heavyweight champion of my life." —Mitt Romney, introducing his wife Ann while speaking at factory in Youngstown, Ohio, March 5, 2012 (He quickly corrected himself, saying ''I didn't mean weight'')
"I love this state. The trees are the right height." —Mitt Romney, campaigning in Michigan (February 2012)
"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." —Mitt Romney speaking extemporaneously (January 2012)
Best MUTTERANCE yet!
Ironically, more than half of the American population has been asking Mitt to provide his TAX RETURNS for the last year in order to provide more context for his remarks, but he can't seem to help with that. On top of it, I didn't hear those words come out of his mouth when the dubbed over Prophet video caused deadly attacks on American embassies; only that is was Obama's fault.
Definition of MUTTERANCE: Making a doggedly defiant remark that completely contradicts his own position while back-peddling to the sound of his own voice.
Pretentiousness, arrogance, and dishonesty have no place on our planet if we want to survive.
Excuse me Mr. Romney ..... I am not voting for President Obama because I want goverment to take care of me. Even though I have had major medical problems all my adult life, I have gotten myself to work every day for over 32 years. I earn my keep, as well as my health insurance. I work harder than you ever thought of working in your Ivory Tower, making money from money NOT by your human labor.
How dare you call me part of a "lazy 47%" who refuse to work ! You are a rich pathetic excuse for a human being who is so out of touch with everyday Americans. Should you win, you're Presidency will be just another 4 year bonanza for the RICH ENTITLED you represent!
I think Romney is short-sighted thinking the 47% of Americans who are on government subsistence of various sorts are ALL likely to vote for the President. Of course a lot will be voting for the President, but not all of them. There are many down and out people who believe strongly in an old fashioned American ideal, people who are poor as a churchmouse but nonetheless spend their days sharing the few pennies they have with friends and strangers alike. Many poor people served and defended America proudly and loudly proclaim the beauty of America even though they suffer from long term war injuries and in many cases are homeless.
Many homeless people will be voting for less entitlements and a balanced budget because they believe in it. Many amoung the 47% know a liar when they hear one and will not vote for a liar. I do not believe people think Mitt Romney is a liar, rather they think he is a basically good willed American man sometimes a little out of touch. Many street people on the other hand have transformed against Obama and this time around believe he is a liar.
A valid question is which people are likely voters. The November election may come and go with many street people missing it.
I used to think McCain did not choose Romney because of his tax records...Now I see it was because Mitt is a lying, flip flopper, pompous ass...DOLT!
The G.O.P. American Dream for the 1% elite, and "damned to hell" for the middle class, poor, and elderly!!
I'm thinking the polls are wrong! Romney will lose by a landslide because Americans are AFRAID OF HIM!!
That's my prediction! Landslide for Obama because Romney is disgusting to everybody with a half a rational brain!
For all of you that are taking the time to blast Romney because of tax returns, or because he was a successful businessman, or because of what he said off the record that someone recorded and is only releasing the partial statement....
You are the same people that want to reelect Obama??
People...we were attacked last weekend! Military members, and our ambassador were murdered. This was an outright attack on the United States of America!
and your "leader" apologizes? He sends his lapdog Carney out to say this organized attack on embassies across the muslim world were because of a movie trailer? How ignorant is this administration?
Even the leader of Libya knows this was a planned attack...anyone with a calendar knows it was 9/11! And this idiot in the white house doesn't increase security in our embassies across the muslim world??
Obama has missed MOST of his security meetings...he doesn't even know what's going on. Libya warned of this attack and his adminstration failed to act. Instead he's out campaigning...planning his Letterman stop, his dinner with beyonce and jayz (whoever the hell that is)....
I would vote for Carter, I would vote for Kerry, I would vote for Bush again before reelecting this disgrace!
And don't forget that beside the red states getting all that money also most of or military bases are in red states so they get a freebie there to Question who won the war I think the south did hands down!
Since the G.O.P. can't rely solely on the 1% to elect Romney, they have to pass laws enforcing "Voter Suppression", which the Federal Courts are over turning, esp. in FL where only 1 fraudulent vote was found. All that time and money wasted for just one fraud vote that came from a Canadian. And they call themselves a fiscally responsible Party??? LOL!!!!!!
Well, it's an interesting conundrum there Ream Me. It's called INCOME tax that you're saying 1/2 of American's didn't pay, but it DOESN"T COUNT that it was taken straight out of the PAYROLL. at a rate more than 20X what you paid off YOUR payroll.
Here's my challenge to YOU Mitty boy! GIVE BACK THE PENSIONS AND WAGES AND TIME OFF PAY you robbed from all the workers you laid off from the companies you WRONGFULLY bankrupted. GIVE BACK the ENTITLEMENTs (for some reason, the word HYPOCRITE keeps flashing HUGE NEON LETTERS in my brain) that YOU got from the Gov't to bail out YOUR magic blue undies covered behind. YOU go make it on your own starting from ZERO with a HEFTY several thousand dollar student loan on your back and NO JOB IN SIGHT! YOU go take care of YOURSELF starting with one SERIOUS look in the mirror. You already jacked on the whole meaning of MORMON (no cigars, no drinking, no LYING, no DENIGRATING WOMEN, ANDJoseph Smith himself taught that we are "to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all.) Gee, and I'm not even Mormon but I know the tenets of the Mormon faith.
Take care of YOURSELF Romney with NO HELP AT ALL. OMG you'd actually have to mow the lawn without ILLEGAL HELP!
/Romney, you dumb, short-sighted, sun-of-a-gun! I am a R/Ind; I am disabled, after many years of hard work, so I don't pay taxes anymore. That puts me in the category you don't 'concern yourself about' anymore. There are more of 'me' out there than you know! You've stuck your foot in 'it' this time. While I don't want to vote for Obama, I'm sure not going to vote for you, this statement was the last straw. I'll be checking out the Independents. I do believe this voting year will go down in history as the 'No Good Choice' year.
Just sayin'...
150,000,000 that's what 47% of America is 150 million people. Something tells me they are Republicans, Democrats, Independents, black ,white, male, female. etc. etc. Now how do you insult that large a cross section of the American people an still think they will trust you to be their President.
Romney doesn't understand the meaning of the word humility, why would he he was born into wealth and privilege and he thinks he's entitled to the Presidency. He feels he's better than the rest of us and because of that we SHOULD vote for him.. This man has absolutely nothing in common with the average American............ He proved that with his own words today.
Fellow Americans: DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS MAN!
Sure hope all of you who think Romney was right about the 47% (actually, if you watch the video and listen to it, he said 48%) do not have to rely on Social Security and/or Medicare when you retire. If you vote Mitt into office, you aren’t going to get you it, I don’t care how much or for how long you paid in – you are part of the 47% he thinks should be personally responsible. If you are retired and receiving it now, you are part of the 47% he doesn’t care about and you need to be more “personally responsible” for your
retirement. Think ALL of you out there who are for Mitt the Mormon who makes a big deal out of his great-grandfather having moved to Mexico and back again (trying to win the Latino vote) but fails to tell the general public it was done so the man could keep all five of his wives will be able to make it without your Social Security? Heck, aren’t you part of the middle class – you know that class – the one Mitt the Mormon stated in an interview makes $200,000 or more a year? Nothing against Mormons or their religion, but this is a seriously sociopathic candidate the Republicans have offered up this go round.
See you boys and girls at the election!
Obama and Democrats in 2012!
Romney did NOT alienate 47% of the population, because many of those 47% are the senior citizens who support Romney because he opposes the government's messin' with their Medicare and their Social Security.
And I'd bet that many of 47-per-centers are folks outta work, collecting unemployment, and don't like the government supporting all those welfare queens.
Not to mention the 7,000 millionaires who paid no taxes. I wonder if any of those free-loading millionaires were in that room applauding Romney's stance against goverment-centered society.
Excuse me, what did Romney, a candidate for the presidency of the United States of America, just call me? What did he just say about ME and many of my fellow Americans?
I joined the USMC at the age of 17, requiring my mother to sign a waiver for me to do so. I've served multiple tours in two different wars fighting for the United States of America. Since I was 18, I've spent every holiday season VOLUNTEERING to help my fellow Americans, unless I was busy.... fighting wars for my "fellow Americans". When the most catostrophic hurricane in our nation's history struck our land, I was there..... volunteering to help my fellow Americans.
I've been honored to take part in the big brother program, and have been blessed with half a dozen little brothers that, as of May 27 2012, I saw the last of graduate from High School and, as of August 2012, I saw to a 5th one beginning their first semester of college. What of the one that has yet to enter a university, you scornfully ask? Well, he's busy serving his second tour with the U.S. Airforce at the moment.
And all of the above is just part of what I've personally been up to during the last 10 years or so.
I've been continuously employed since I was 17 years old (currently 33yrs old), and I spent both my freshman and sophmore summers in high school employed as a file clerk at the University of North Texas Health and Science center at Fort Worth in Texas (Fort Worth is a city, not a military base).
In spite of seeing my 401k investments be stolen/plundered/robbed/ganked/ruined/(or whatever) two different times, I've always done what I could to save and invest money for my family's future. Never have I taken a handout from anyone, anywhere, but that is because I've never been so unfortunate as to need such a helping hand.
So let me get this straight....... did this candidate for the presidency of my nation just call me an "self-entitled irresponsible so-called victim"? Seriously?
Romney, please remind me just what you have done for this nation during your lifetime, you pretentious leech.
Here you go you Libtards
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/15290-case-closed-if-moderate-voters-see-this-video-its-over-for-obama/
oh the feelings got hurt hearing the truth. the growing takers are almost half of the population, paid for by the half of the population with jobs, with their hard earned income taxes collected by the US treasury, income taxes monies are not enough, borrowing more trillions from china have become routine, to sustain obama's robust entitlements. these welfare recipients were successfully piled up by obama as sure votes for him. romney was not playing politics telling like it is, the truth about america in the verge of economic disaster, if able bodies do not go back to work ASAP, the debt is sinking america in the deepest water. people need to wake up, the government has no money, nada, flat broke. obama himself, his surrogates, his supporters will say its all bush fault, a big fat lies spread by the liberal main stream medias.
Some really good videos all should watch.
http://thoughtfulwomen.org/2012/09/16/anita-moncrief-an-acorn-whistleblower-speech-at-cpac-parts-1-and-2/
Can Romney really believe all republicans pay taxes when he barely paid 14% on 20 million?
Nit-Wit-Mitt, UNBELIEVABLE dude, you suck and your mother dresses you funny!! Could you imagine this clown on the world stage?? Oh, wait. He's already told our best and number one ally they weren't ready for the Olympics and told everyone about the non-existant MI5, he offended Palestinian leaders by saying that cultural differences explain why Israelis are more economically successful than Palestinians, and he also said that Russia is "without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe," prompting many to wonder, what decade is he living in?? And all this was before the fiasco and comments last Thursday about Egypt and the horror of Benghazi, Libya while our Diplomat's were being attacked. F'U Romney, you're not fit to run a daycare nursery much less the United States of America. Go back to your real job of fu*king businesses and people around. After all it's what you do best and you're not very good at that either!! You are good at one thing, "Open Mouth, Insert Foot"!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Patriot Jane: You seriously bash Obama for allowing some 800,000, (not 1.8 million) people who were here anyway to stay a couple years with Romneys plan to import 1,250,000 workers and republicans push to eliminate quotas on H1B visas? Your bias is showing. You critisize Obama for letting a few stay a few years to attempt to earn legal status but have no problem with republicans paying airfare from China with green cards on arrival.
How about this part Mr P.,
So if you want to know what he will do as president, you have to pay to find out! This is not the first time Romney has said he "doesn't care" about the poor. At least I am sure he finally actually means something he is saying.
Okay.
This won't be elegant either...
F@#k you Romney.
This guy will double down on garbage. If THIS doesn't do it for you, you are a fool or you are exactly like Romney. Either way, you need only but to walk a mile in a few shoes to hate this man.
And here;s the real rub. When he doubled down on this one, he was, for the first time, clear and relaxed. Why? This was THE FIRST TIME HE SPOKE TO HIS CORE VALUES!
I'm hitting the streets with this one. This needs to be DRIVEN out of anyone's narrative. It is demeaning, insulting, bigoted (in a rich vs. poor way), and UNTRUE.
I believe we have an obligation to always learn. Can someone please educate me on the way one can "elegantly" say that half of all Americans are worthless bums about whom the president, in discharging the duties of his office, should show no concern whatsoever?
So after spending like pigs in slop, handing us an economy in a hole that will take decades to dig out of, and throwing half the country into poverty or near poverty, they GOP clowns seriously believe that 47% of the people are on the government dole because of CHOICE?
You people need to see a shrink. Or take a critical thinking class. This isn't really that hard, people. They are there...
BECAUSE YOU F^CKING PUT THEM THERE.
The point is how a man who wants to be “CEO of America” left a trail of destroyed lives when he was only chief executive officer of a single private-equity firm.
He himself put a lot of people out of work, placed them in poverty, and now wants to ridicule them behind closed door meetings????? You cannot insult the American people and expect them to vote for you Romney. You show NO HEART nor remorse in what you have done to these people's lives. Some have even died because you took their health insurance away from them Romney when they could of been cured. You are evil, we the American people DISTRUST you. No, you will not get our votes and we represent millions of votes Romney. Again you open mouth, insert your foot. Your an accident to this nation waiting to happen in a very horrible way.
The truth...you can't handle the truth...
America is broke...the good ship America cannot stay on the course that it is headed. Why is it broke? Because the dems and repubs are controlled by the wealthy elite who do not see America as anything but a nice sponge from which to squeeze a last dollar. Please note I said both the dems and repubs...the Obama campaign is not funded by the middle class donating a dollar here and a dollar there. He and his campaign are the best of liars. These are billion dollar campaigns! The problem with America is that the two parties are pigs at the trough who have divved up America and want dems to hate repubs and repubs to hate dems. American against American. This is sick and cynical. We are Americans. We can stand if we stop this hatred of each other. Or we will fall...a house divided...yada...yada... True leadership brings America together. Take back your country America. Get rid of both these parties!!!!!
Dear Mr. Romney,
As an Obama supporter, your comments amuse me. Should I assume that you don't really consider me to be an Obama supporter?
Take our background: my husband and I are in our late 20s/early 30s. We own our own home and have two fully paid-off (foreign!) cars. We have never depended on governmental aid, have no credit card debt, and have worked hard to have a sizeable nest egg. We volunteer with a local animal rescue group on weekends.
To add to it, we're both college-educated. I graduated from the Ivy League with my B.A. and M.A., and my husband has his B.A. Guess what, Mr. Romney? We entered these schools and received these degrees based on OUR hard work, not on our parents' financial status or family backgrounds. Our own parents went to state schools. The idea that someone could succeed in the Ivy League without wealthy parents and/or hefty donations must be quite foreign to you.
Superficially, I am assuming you believe our background would qualify us well to be your supporters. You are sadly mistaken. Your insults towards fellow non-wealthy Americans have assured that not only will we vote for Obama, but that we will also do all we can to convince fellow Americans to vote against your wealthy interests. You are an embarrassment to educated citizens who simply care about our society and realize the necessity of having safety nets in order to be a civilized society that really does reward hard work.
Good luck.
BubbaBaddass
Hey BubbaLimpass, the video didn't do a thing for me. A "See? He failed" video has no impact when the opposing party hands us an absolutely devastated economy that trumps any plans a new president may have... and then BLOCKS every attempted action while demonizing him 24/7 on virtually every media possible... and then tells half of America that they're trash...
And you think a video is going to make this all well? Or somehow change our minds?
You need to pause, take a breath, and THINK for a few seconds.
Watch where you are slinging that "no one" I pay more in taxes than many of you earn. I'm a liberal democrat.
You people on the Right scream and yell about family values and God and Country but you are the meanest, pettiest, greediest little creeps that ever walked. You live in states full of people who are so poor they don't have real shoes in the winter and only have holey sweaters to keep them warm--where children go to bed hungry every night because, you like the Mitt Romney's of the world need another car, or your lazy ugly wife needs another ring.
What a bunch of hypocrites. You think Christ would find you worthy?
Stop with this idiotic nonsense about Democrats. It makes you sound like fools. We already know you are math and science challenged. You demonstrate that by the moment with your opinions on climate change, economics and evolution.
Finally as to Mitt Romney, he's lucky there is no god. Because if there was, he'd be struck dead where he stands for his hypocrisy. The man represents everything I despise about the CEO mentality. He's stupid, he's entitled and he's been handed everything in his life. He has no idea what it means to work. He doesn't even have any empathy for his own dog. He has no idea what the little people (as his stupid wife said in so many words) go through to put their children through college or a roof over they head. He has a horse that cost more than most Americans make in a year and he's fighting the poor over a few hundred dollars. BUT MOST OF ALL HE DOESN'T PAY INCOME TAXES. BUT OF COURSE HE'S ENTITLED NOT TO. HE'S SPECIAL.
He's a creep. Just like most of you "Rightys" posting here.
I don't know how most of you sleep at night.
"A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority (who vote) will vote for those candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse, with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal policies, always followed by a dictatorship".
Romney merely points out the obvious.
The whole argument that people do not pay taxes is idiotic. First place it is not the fault of anyone who fills out the IRS forms and realizes he or she has not made enough after their hard work to have to pay anymore taxes. Every time a raise in the minimum wage came up it was stalled or defeated by the GOP that would have maybe put those people into the category of having to pay taxes. Included in that 475 Romney and his stooge handlers came up with is the fact that just because you do not have to send Uncle Sam money does not mean you do not pay taxes. Taxes are deducted and most of the time you may get a refund of a partial amount of what you paid in but that fact "eluded" the because it does not make good copy. Now on the other side the independents and republicn leaners are the same as many of them do not pay any taxes at all because they make so much they can avoid them like Romney who gets an amazing break from 27% all the way down to 14%. Isnt that also sucking on the teat so to speak. I know they rushed out their trolls to try and throw water on this raging fire that Mitt was stupid enough to let happen but it is the end for him coming at a time when Obama is already pullling away from him in almost all states up for grabs. I have never seen a candidate for President make this many mistakes in my life time. Calling 47% of the voting public freeloaders is paramount to the top stupidity award for that. Mitt is about to run out of feet to shoot. He has already gone through his Ryans and half of his staff and now they are turning on each other. They have wasted all the free advertising given o them by their special interests partners who have lied in their ads as much as Mitt lies in his. Stuff like Obama promised 7% unemployment rate....No he did not...Go listen to this tape on Mother Jones it is a chilling as speeches by some of the worlds worst dictators and a preview of what a Romney President and a republican Congress will be about. If that does not scare you something is wrong with you. A message to you right wingers who pound the drum for this idiot. Martin Niemöller wrote the message called first they came for.... You see after Karl Rowe and Mitt take over the US and turn it into one big corporate kingdome you will no longer be needed and since you troll for a living you will be as expendable as those liberals (who for the most part do not exist) and will be tossed under the bus with them.
Crap, my other comment flew God knows where, but it doesn't matter. We've been saying he's toast for weeks, and he keeps laying on the jam.
Hey LMarcT, he is me as you are she as we are all together...doesn't matter who put them there, they must come out. The Republican political industry is already calculating to save money on Mitt and save it for what becomes important...holding or gaining seats. Interesting days of self recognition ahead in America.
Hey Mitt Romney, unlike you I wasn’t born into privilege. My father was as an alcoholic, not a multi-millionaire. Unlike you, I didn’t get a free ride on daddy’s money to an Ivy League school; I paid my way at a state university. Unlike you, I started working and PAYING INCOME TAXES in 1961, when I was 13. I’m not a victim or a parasite or anything like that. I voted for Obama in 2008 and I will vote for him again. You are nothing more than a spoiled brat snob who has no right to be president of this nation.
And did anyone hear what Ricky the Sanatorium said? He said that the GOP would never get the "elite smart people" vote. Or, stated in reverse, they will ONLY GET THE "STUPID" VOTE?
Combining Santorum's assessment with Romney's, it looks like the only chance the GOP has is to turn around that ever insurmountable "elite smart people on the government dole" vote.
When you start dismissing people in whole make-believe blocks, it's a sure sign you've lost and will continue to lose.
Listen, you "stupid people that pay taxes", maybe it's just that your message sucks.
The only thing of any significance out of this is yet another confirmation that the media will do anything possible to make a mountain out of a molehill. Romney simply stated the situation as it is at present. You know, what all those "journalist" and campaign "analyst" are saying to each other anyway.
Meanwhile all these so called "journalist" are looking the other way while Mr Obama sends out the UN Ambassador to blatantly lie about the nature of the terrorist attack that resulted in the death of an Ambassador and three other Americans. . Not to mention the lame statements that our Embassies and Consulates are properly protected even though they were not protected enough to stop a spontaneous protest from resulting in 4 murders and the capture, by terrorist, of sensitive computer information. All so Mr. Obama doesn't look like the incompetent fool he truly is and to save him from losing votes.
It's a wonder that we all don't need decoder rings to decipher all the gibberish that's designed to get around appearing to say what's really being said. Whenever I hear wealthy white men discuss subjects such as 'entitlement society', it goes back to my childhood in the deep south of the '60s. At that time, the subject was largely Blacks, although now it's been expanded to include all people of color, but they were then constantly derided for 'lacking the moral fiber to lift themselves out of poverty', by the same people who denied them educational and other opportunities so that they might have a fighting chance to do just that, but who were all the while glad that they had a docile work force that would do the drudgery for a pittance. How convenient that must be.
This, IMHO, is the real difference between what Romney and his camp wants and any alternative vision of an American future. The idea that the wealth might be available to anyone other than the lily white Christian colonizers is so repulsive that they are willing to move heaven and earth to prevent such a possibility, but they don't have the courage to stand up in front of anyone and call this thinking what it really is. Barefoot and pregnant, illiterate and down on the farm, poor and willing to do the most menial work for a pittance, with no benefits, or else be supplanted by illegal immigrants who would happily work for even less: this is the future that the fat cats hold out to the rest of us, albeit wrapped up in a mutated form of patriotism and other frills, and tied up with a bow so that its true nature is difficult to discern.
Enough ponzi schemes, enough with the wars for profit, and the bubble economies and the and the pointless rat race which accompanies them. Why not have an economy where people can earn what they are worth, or where business is based on sound prnciples and customer satisfaction, rather than smoke and mirrors and con men, as it is now? I'll probably be dismissed out of hand for living in a fantasy world, but I've watched this misbegotten horror that we call the contemporary US mutate over the past few decades, and it bears no resemblance to anything based on reality....
blah, blah, blah...............you people are all over this - so what, can't stand to hear the REAL TRUTH, can you! You'd prefer to hear lies that make you feel better, give you some hope , make you feel like your tax payer entitlements are safe for you - that's ALL you care about....YOURSELF! Can't see beyond the nose on your face.
I would much rather have some one who tells me the TRUTH - mo matter who it might politically offend! - than give me a bunch of sugar coated words that, even though they make me feel better, will not do anything for me or my country. I want any one who is posting to this report to prove to me that what Romney said was untrue.......and if you can (or can't) don't respond with your emotions, I expect vitriol from some of the lower mentality folks but it would be really refreshing to hear some intelligent thoughts and responses - and please just stick to this subject.................WELL, I'M WAITING!!
Romney merely points out the obvious.
Nonsense to the highets level! First because you miss the point that we do not have a democracy we have a Republic so that just kills your stupid argument.
Samuel Adams stated: 'Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes itself,
exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not
commit suicide.'
What you clowns miss is we all pay taxes. Even the poor pay taxes on food Gas clothing etc so the argument you make that people live off the dole is stupid at best. The problem with Repubicans (present day ones not real republicans) is they have no clue what goes on in America other than what lands on their doorstep. They talk about poor people and freeloaders and other things and they do not even know how to ride a bus or where the nearest soup kitchen is or that the money that lady gets in welfare does not go to her but goes to feed her hungry kids so lets let them starve is their answer. Get a life and a new argument. Run right Democracy can survive but with democracy you may have to cross a line you peole draw in the sand called socialism. As long as there is resistance to that failure is going to happen because then of course there is no other way to turn as there is no money for jobs jobs dissapear and the cycle goes into a spin and Karl Marx ends up being ritght that democracy will fail not because of progressives but because of CONSERVATIVES!
There a a lot of pissed off liberals on here bitching and moaning about the fact that Romney correctly pointed out that Obama wants to keep them dependent upon government and thereby keep them dependent upon voting for Obama. Of course, most of them knew that already.I guess it is only natural that they would be pissed off, who wants to have their gravy train threatened, even if it is bankrupting the country.
The reason his tax rates were lower was because he didn't earn it through a salary. Most of his income is from investments which are taxed at a different rate. That's the law not his choice.
Wait a minute he is blaming the 47% for the same reason you just justified his low tax rate. You people cannot make a sound argument. People pay taxes according to what the IRS say they have to pay. Romney cannot down people who vote for Obama as freeloaders and then say he only got tax breakes he was entitled to. Thats plain stupid and like most right wing arguments null and void. You dont have to have good arguments for being a no wingnut just ansewr their stupid comments. Circular fireing squads are abundant over there.
What Obama has done to reduce the number of poor in this country, the dependants from the government. Even more Obama is lowering the bar for welfare recipients making for them easierto get government money with no effort. Obama need the free loaders because there is when he use the welfare as a political tool, scaring the people about cut in benefits . Democrats want to keep them in chains instead to give them the freedom , creating more jobs, making the poor people self dependent and pushing for more individual responsibility, not a big nanny state.
The media bias is making a big deal about this, changing the focus of the news , to help the bad week Obama had showing his lack of leadership and disappointed apologies for the incidents in Meddle East.
Typical responses here. I watched this on CBS before turning on the computer. And one thing is sure, CBS, along with NBC are complicit in their attacks on Romney and support of Obama. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. It is your job to report the news, not take a side. (The more you take a side, the more you help Romney.)
That being said, Romney is right. We have a huge problem with the tax code in the US. 62% of the budget is spent on entitlements, and is already unsustainable, no matter how much you try to tax rich people.
And for the fool who said Romney paid less in Payroll tax than the rest of us. DUH, he doesn't have a regular job so therefore he would pay NO payroll tax! And the tax he is paying is on money HE ALREADY PAID TAX ON!
Just for the record, Obama is no different in who he is campaigning to. He has ignored the vast majority of the people who he knows will not vote for him. It is all about getting re-elected and continuing to destroy the American economy. Is that what you really want for the US? Me, NEVER!
Romney/Ryan - the only current hope to restore the American economy and support true American ideals.
Nothing is by chance. have the IRS audit the Federal Reserve, and all will be clear.
Izzy, wait no longer. Romney want's you to believe that most of America is sitting theew looking for a hand out. I think he actually believes what he says. the percentage of people scamming the system is not near as high as republicans want you to believe. America is waiting for progress. The top bankers own the Energy, the food supply, and the police. They own the planet. They tell you to call the "occupy wall street people" nut jobs and lazy. call them fanatics. And you believe them.
I remain hopeful that someday our children will rise and fight, where we stood still. The bankers have made a mess of the world and tried many times to de-populate it. 55k of our brothers and children died in Nam, now we buy clothing made there.
God knows we can't have Presidential candidates telling the truth nor can we elect them to office. I like my Presidents to tell me what I want to hear and give me the stuff I want. Screw hard work and initiative!
Simple ... America can't handle the truth!!
Can you imagine what Obama says behind closed doors? The American people will never find out. The American people are not even allowed to see the people who attend Obama's rich fundraisers, especially at a fundraiser in Texas back in 2008. The police didn't even let reporter's on the street of the mansion where Obama was having his fundraiser. This is a fact.
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that the 'culture of dependency' is a holdover form slavery, in which the slaves were dependent upon the massuh for all their material needs, and so he could exploit their labor and their bodies at will, yet continue to paternalistically demand more from them, especially loyalty. In the '60s, with the War on Poverty (which may have initially had good intentions, but which was soon morphed into just another tool of the oppressors), the focus shifted from massuh to government, both local and Federal. Far less dangerous to the status quo to bribe poor folk with welfare and other 'entitlements' than to chance allowing them into the work force to compete with the 'superior race', and so it continues to this day. The worst nightmare of the white overlords would be for all people of color to realize that they simply don't need white people, and that's the reason Romney and his posse are so terrified...
I see nothing wrong with what Romney said because it's the truth. 47% of Americans do not pay federal income tax. A lot of people are shocked by this statement and they are even more in shock when they find out it's true.
When is the media going to talk about the more pressing issue at the moment? The govt. in Libya is saying that the White House is not telling the truth about the terrorist warnings towards our US Ambassador. The Obama admin. were warned three days before and Obama did nothing. This is what the media should be talking about instead of some truthful statement given by Romney.
He told the truth, but none of ya'll can face the truth. Half of you want welfare and don't want to work. Just sit on your porch smoke and drink while the rest of the world work their butts off.
Mitt has it wrong! We would be the victims if this pro-business and corporate bought and paid for republican gets elected God save us from that fate. I pray each night that Americans won't be blind to what he intends to do to women, the workers and war!
What about when Obama said JEW instead of Janitor....where was the liberal (5th Column) news media when he said that? Is this the best the socialists can do? I think they are worried their communist muslim will not make it back in office. Where is the Klean-x?
Why is anyone surprised that Romney only cares about the top 1% of Americans? Only fools who think you can build a middle class living off the crumbs the rich left for them on the floor will vote for that con artist.
Mitt Romney using "47%" is a Masonic(7,74=M13+A1+S19+O15+N14+I9+C3) Code(4 letters). GOD=7_4, 7/4=July 4th. Romney appears to be a Mason(47=M13+A1+S19+O+N14). He used the GOD=704 Code when he chose the Ipad app at 7:04 pm to announce his VP and made the announcement the following morning at 7:04 am. Obama and the Democrats used the GOD=704 Code when they chose Charlottle and its 704 Area Code for their Convention.
Some might assume that because Romney is a Mormon, he wouldn't be a Mason - just the opposite! Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were both Freemasons.
Using GOD=7_4 invokes God at a higher level and let's others who know the code know that you are using it! It's an access code to Program 1(74=P16+R18+O+G7+R18+A1+M13+1) of the universal quantum computer.
King K,
Why haven't you spoken up when the bush wars have cost us $4,000,000,000,000 + so far and the bush tax cuts costing us $1,000,000,000,000 in revenue???????
How does someone get elected when they show such contempt for the Middle Class and those that are disadvantaged????
Your campaign is about helping yourself, Romney! You threw 15,000 people out of work at just one company, Kay Bee Toys.
How twisted is your logic? Destroy companies, create unemployment on a massive scale that decimates entire communities, and then blame the unemployed workers who can't even afford to pay taxes for relying on the government... insulting them by saying they feel they are entitled to eat. Snidely Whiplash was kind and generous in comparison.
Americans, this arrogant, entitled SOB has shown us his true colors at last. He lives in a time warp where he is the lord of the manor and we are his serfs. We eat or starve at his pleasure. He is a robber baron, a pirate, a cruel man with a cruel vision for the people who made this country great: the middle class.
Those who are still too blind to see what he is all about, I can only say I pity you. You are lambs to the slaughter under Romney's boot heel.
Get him out! Send him to Switzerland where his true allegiance lies: with his money.
If he had half an ounce of integrity, Romney would resign his campaign at once and donate all his millions in campaign donations to pay down the national debt.
Thank providence for Barack Obama!
So what did he actually say that was wrong? We have too many MOOCHERS with a hand out for freebies and dont want to get off their duff and work for a living. He isnt going to win them over. GIMME GIMME GIMME!! BOZO LOSES BY LANDSLIDE! IF NOT... AMERICA LOSES!!!!
I only hope that the boost to the Democrats that Mitt's silver foot-in-mouth will give, is enough to overcome the Diebold effect, the cheating built into the software of their electronic voting machines. The two largest voting machine manufacturere are owned by brothers, both staunch Republilcan supporters, and no one but their employees is permitted to audit the software. Without a paper trail, they can commit voter fraud with impunity.
It is time to go back to a simple pencil X in a box for the important votes for president, governor, senate and the house of representatives, federal and state. The vote for dog catcher etc. can be handled by Diebold et.al.
Romney's remarks though maybe not said as polished as he'd like, were exactly right. America has become a handout society and Obama is preying on that trend and making it worse.
This is the true devide in this country. Those who want something for free pandered to by the Democrats and those who want to ensure individual success is protected and not given to those who have a hand out expecting something for nothing (and no libs I don't mean folks who are truly in need I mean the lazy...).
Truetexan, by the way I think your state is the worst state in the union. Destroying the environment more than any state and right wing nuts running it. No tourists dollars from me.
Yes, those MOOCHERS are found in large numbers in your state. FARMERS! Price supports, farm subsidies and guarantied crop insurance make them one of the worst!
The TeaTards here are in denial. Just go out and buy some more guns to make your insecure selves feel better .... LOL
(P.S. here's hoping that Mitt Robmey takes the stinking Tea Party down with him!!)
Thank you for an intelligent and clear-sighted comment, David Wellman. We need more people in this country who can see the true goal of the GOP: to keep most Americans poorly educated, brainwashed, living at the edge of poverty, and all the while blaming and exploiting them.
Anyone who is stupid enough to vote for your own serfdom, I wish there was a place where you could go and live under that system. I wish you could experience firsthand the rule of the few super-rich over a vast population of beggars.
Wait, there is! It's Bangladesh.
Snailcat: Instead of a Flamingo your avatar should be an Ostrich with it’s head in the sand. All you write is childish Ad Hominem attacks on everyone. Do you have any intelligence at all?
Why don’t you tell the readers about some of the shovel ready jobs Obama has waiting for them? Tell us what his plan is to lower the deficit? Do you have any of that information, or do you just hurl brickbats at people who ask the difficult questions?
There is where you are wrong. Most educated Latinos , the 23 % favor Romney. In average more percentage of the educated people of color , business man entrepreneurs vote Republican. The only reason that Democrats has more support from African Americans this time is loyalty to their color and Obama work hard to divide the country in Black and White. Republicans want to free the people of color from the Democrat plantation , giving more jobs , more education not welfare, people more educated are more independent minded and don't drink the kool-aid so easy.
NO!!!!
They were eloquently stated!
This is the truth. The once proud Federal Constitutional Republic known as the United States is devolving into a nanny state. As Liberalism/Progressivism has polluted our nation with political correctness and the nonsense of social and economic justice, we have spawned a culture of dependency.
Yes, 47% of Americans pay NO Federal income tax.
THIS is what's not "fair". Our pathetic excuse of a president then has the balls to claim the rich need to pay more. Of course the delusional Liberal mind will agree with this because they are the ones who benefit from this disequilibrium. Fairness to them is to redistribute wealth from those that are strong-willed and productive to those that are weak minded and dependent.
One cannot help but admire Barrack Hussein for the succinct perspicacity of, "I won't allow the half of Americans who pay no federal income taxes to bear the burden of the other half who aren't paying more of their fair share."
In the meantime, as our economy continues to collapse with greater Debt, under/unemployment, home foreclosures, credit downgrades, rising fuel and food prices, ambivalence and hopelessness, Barrack Hussein prances around campaigning in Las Vegas and meeting with "The Pimp With A Limp". The Middle East is in chaos, our allies are ridiculed for being concerned about Iran but Barrack Hussein won't miss a photo-op on Letterman.
This is the pathetic level our leadership has devolved to. Symbolism over substance rules the platform of Barrack Hussein and the unwashed masses believe it and support it. Sound domestic and foreign policy is dismissed and the parochial meme of "fairness" is promoted. Of course no one can define "fairness" but in typical Liberal/Progressive fashion, it sounds good.
None of the policies of this administration have, or will, help the 47% that are grounded in dependency. If anything they continue to keep them enslaved to the governments largesse. This is the goal of Liberalism/Progressivism. Keep the huddled masses illiterate and unaware of the governments manipulation of their ambition. Continue to keep as many people on the public dole so as to keep giving them their deserved "Bread and Circuses" as they clamor for their crumbs.
Entitlements and social programs that are no longer sustainable will just be extended by borrowing and printing new money. The long term affects never matter to Liberals/Progressives because then they can just reinforce their need for more failed government. Unfortunately at some point the good times will have to come to an end. This is not a fairy-tale, it's reality. We see it happening in the European Union as it collapses under the weight of its dependent populace. European Socialism fails, yet we continue to pursue it because our Ivy League educated elitists discussed it in the faculty lounge and have a better idea. Only in the convoluted mind of Liberalism/Progressivism can this be accepted as reality.
What happens when we reach the tipping point? What happens when 51% of Americans are dependent on only 49% to support them? Panic, violence, anger and chaos are the only solution. What motivation will the productive have to continue to support the unproductive? There will be none. The once proud virtues of American exceptionalism are being stripped and replaced with mediocrity. This is the legacy of Liberalism/Progressivism.
As Winston Churchill said, "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Once this happens our Republic will collapse into a Democracy and eventual obscurity.
The danger to America is not Barack Hussein Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the Prince of the Fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President.
God Bless and save America, you may be our only hope.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
Starsailing: You wrote: “I used to think McCain did not choose Romney because of his tax records...Now I see it was because Mitt is a lying, flip flopper, pompous ass...DOLT!”
Your comments are getting as tedious and useless as sailcat’s. Typical Socialist fare: If you have nothing useful to bring to the table, just rely on Ad Hominem attack. Your apparatchik should be proud of you.
With a statement like that from Romney, a statement of "the President's supporters don't work," from his buddy Trump, I predict Romney is going to be blown out the water in this election. Romney is beginning to self-destruct like Palin did!!
GOOD!!!
^^ LOL It's people like you, and your followers who are destroying this country with your greed, the downtrodden, and poor, cannot destroy it, they don't have anything, you have all the means, including weapons, not the poor.
OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!
Bean@home...(#1.54).... "So, 47% of people don't pay income tax because . . . 47% of people don't have an income. They are too young, too old, stay-at-home moms, unemployed, or too injured to work."
What you wrote is a croc ....Nobody counts those people ....The 47% number are of those required to file income tax forms....So, the 47% DO have enough income that they have to file with the IRS. ...NOT 47% of the entire U.S. population....but with all the deductions and credits pay no tax and most get a refund ....giving them a NEGATIVE Tax Rate.....and yet you still will moan and groan that Romney ONLY paid $3 MILLION IN TAXES....$ MILLONS more to charity and his Tax Rate on what is left after all HIS legal deductions is 14%....The IRS doesn't release numbers on "Effective Tax Rates"....what people actually pay, and they never will.....because most people pay, when all is deducted and credits are taken is, about 6%......
In the history of American politics, there has never been anything like this. Romney's statement makes Nixon's Watergate a walk in the Park.
He has managed to show the reason why contrary to what most believe; the Republican party is about preserving the last breath of white supremacy and domination in the daily lives of Americans...
It's incredible a person of Romney's intellect plus a Harvard MBA and JD, seeking the US presidency will be this careless. Even a robot could never dare play the game of divisionism...
It shows how deep rooted hatred is in this country and how white supremacy is a dying ideology....
This coming from Irish man...
Do you feel lucky? Well, do yer, punk! Then vote Obooma! Give him another 4 years and see what the economy looks like! and another war in the middle east - it'll happen, you'll see!
As for Mitt. He speaks the truth, no harm in that. You'll see when we have the debates! Obooma just makes promises and doesn't deliver.
Mitts taxes. So he paid 14% on $20M. Wouldn't you! You've got $20M.... you invest it here and pay 27% in taxes or would you invest overseas and pay 14%. Exactly!!! Why can't you people see that? You wanna see his tax records? then lets see Obooma's birth certificate, student loan records....!!!
Oh.... thanks Obooma for giving Egypt $1.5 billion of our money, each year! Mohammed Morsi is such a nice guy! WTH!
You fools - vote Obooma! destroy our country! I don't care if Obooma or Romney is a good or bad speaker...I care about the state of the country under their leadership and what's best for me/us. $4/gallon gas....unemployment, too many people taking freebies at my expense!!!
In God We Trust!
Silly Democratic herp derpin lazy bums taking that free check from the government because they are too lazy to work. Us taxpayers are shelling out our money to these lowlifes that make up an awful lot of the country. Everyone expects everything to be easy and so they wait for their little 'handout'. My uncle is on this program, getting free checks from the government because he's unemployed... yet he could get a job so easily. Now he spends all 'our' money on alcohol and cigarettes and doesn't give a crap about anything or anyone else except his self. So. Please. Demys. Do the world a favor. accept that this plan under Obama is trash.
Romney-Ryan 2012 for the country's sake
CLWYD... We dont want you here. STAY AWAY!! I say we should secede! We dont need the U.S. The U.S. needs US! We have the farms, water, oil, refineries, harbors, etc. You name it, we have it! ALL you liberal losers can get out, stay out!! Your another GIMME GIMME IDIOT arent you!!
Yes I did, I found both Obama and McCain weak candidates - I liked Obama as a person (still do) but thought he was unqualified for POTUS...BUT I just COULD NOT VOTE for McCain...so I held my nose and breath and cast a vote for Obama.
Yes I am, I knew with the Bail-out (Sell-out) of GM & Chrysler that Obama was a mistake and he has proven my concerns correct each and every week since.
But, again, we have a choice of two horribly weak candidates. I have read both of their current platforms (if you can call Obama's rants a platform) and although I like more of what Romney outlines, I question if he has the fortitude to actually accomplish these lofty goals (wish he did).
As far as Romney's comments at this fundraiser - he is 100% accurate...he DOES NOT say that he DOES NOT CARE about the 47%, he is talking about trying to win over those votes that will simply NOT change party affiliation. I am sure that Obama and his people have come to teh exact same conclusion - they will NOT sway those GOPers who would not vote for a Democrat NO MATTER what. Romney was saying that he felt that he could and would try and focus on those potential voters who may be open to voting over party-lines or those of us who are undecided. I'm sure that Obama DOES NOT think that he can persuade Sarah Palin to vote for him any more than Romney thinks he can win Jesse Jackson to his side.
Will I hold my nose and breath this year and vote for Obama? ABSOLUTELY NO WAY IN HELL!!!
Will I hold my nose and breath and vote for Romney? Probably NOT, but if the media keeps this @!$%#-up, I might just to spite them.
Hopefully from this two-party carnage - perhaps more and more Americans will begin to really give qualified Independent candidates a look. Time to break-up the civil unions and the two-party cesspool...both are KILLING America!!!!
NBC and the rest of American media...grow a conscience and report the NEWS - NOT manipulate non-news to cover the tracks of your "Boy Blunder"!!!!!
The Democratic Party is all about creating an entitlement society. The Democrat supporters have their hands out to the government buying into one promise after another. The Obama platform is someone else needs to be paying more so we can toss you some more scraps. Look how the entitlement classes scream and holler about any change to their handouts, while they say nothing about rising above the need for them. I wonder if Democratic politicians can claim these dependents they are creating on their tax returns? Obama is coddling the whats in it for me voter.
What is so bad about Romney's Statement? The truth part? Although he probably should not of said it, it is still the truth. We have a massive problem with freeloaders in this country. I see them everday and many are people I once called friends. Why do these people get to vote is beyond me. If you contribute zero to society and only suck much needed funds out of the system just because you breath than you should not be aloud to vote. Why is this not a law yet? Lets put this in place and give America back to the REAL Americans, not the liberal, blood-sucking, lazy, entitled, uneducated poor who do not want out of poverty because that would take effort.
Kay beetoys:
You're intellectually bankrupt. Wellman tells you a fairytale and you immediately fall to your knees and wash hiss feet with your hair; praising him for bringing more power to your dimly lit bulb.
Is that how you inform your opinion? By accepting wishful thinking as gospel from someone who heard it from his cousin during a poker game? Pardon me for being a little skeptical of Wellman's insights, but there's nothing there.
Wellman wrote: "Why not have an economy where people can earn what they are worth, or where business is based on sound prnciples and customer satisfaction (sic)." We already have that kind of economy. If you were paying attention, then you'd already know that.
Domino's Pizza, Staples and Burlington Coat Factory are just three examples of businesses based on sound principles and customer satisfaction. Employees start at the bottom, and can work their way up the success ladder to top management positions.
Kay bee, you once wrote that Obama is the finest man to ever serve his country. Come November, he'll be back doing just that. Serving burgers and fries at McDonald's in Chicago.
mikeindelray must not have went to school because he cant do ANY math! 6%??? Are you an idiot or a fool? It's one or the other.
What Romney said was ABSOLUTELY TRUE. And yes, the Obot libs are all upset about having to hear the truth. I don't know why you libs are so upset. After all, you are the party of death, taxes, victimization, and entitlements. You own that like a badge of honor. Well, you libs may not like to be reminded of it but you need to just get over it.
It is easy to prove Mr. Romney was telling the truth, just listen to Mr. Obama as he panders to his base, telling them all the freebies HE is going to give them,courtesy of" the golden goose", citizenship, college education, contraceptives, health care, Auto companies,(for the unions), free money, free houses,free food,ladies, pop out a couple of kids and retire on the taxpayers dime, Uncle sugar will take care of You, on and on, not one mention of a job,(read the anti-Romney comments above,does anybody say, "You got it wrong Mr. Romney, all I want is a job"?) and when jobs are mentioned ,it's about ensuring ridiculous wages to union members for minimal skill labor, or how much "stimulas" he is going to give the next solyndra). Yes, Mr. Romneys numbers are not wrong, that is the percentage of "takers" We have in this country now,(and I am not talking about those who have paid into the system, and earned their benefits, retirees, social security etc., they are only lumped in by the Dems to frighten them and maybe gain a few extra votes) articles like this from the MSM,(Marxist-Socialist Media), are only meant to suppress the truth so it will not be spoken to those,(the givers), who, do the work, pay the taxes,and provide the" golden goose",for the country's Democrat socialist dependents, the only problem is, that goose is looking pretty sickly, what happens when it dies?
Interesting that Travis didn't admit to paying any income tax in his post. Just proves Romney's point.
Mitt's comments are nothing but a light being shined into the GOP and their mindset. Many in the GOP think of the 47% of Americans as lazy moochers and that's no surprise. What is a surprise is how many of those 47% are willing to think the GOP is out for them.
So he meant to say that a lot of Americans are losers and he is better than anyone else in a different way so that it would sound like a good thing?
wow...
Remember that? Spoken by Dear Leader as he conspires with Medvedev of Russia, to weaken the U.S., not maintain it's status in the world. Where was the dissection of that gaffe?
His statement was spot on. 47% of this country needs to be insulted into understanding they are dead weight, not helping, and draging us down. He has the guts to stand behind it, not squirm and tell us he miss spoke.
I am a person who some would say is poor, but I'm not stupid and greedy. I know that I am much better off with a healthy, prosperous America, than an America stuck in the mud, and borrowing money from the Chinese, to send me a check every month and pay my rent. Romney is a businessman and, I believe, has the smarts and experience to get the U.S. economy humming again. Obama has never been successful at anything, except BSing people into voting for him. He surrounds himself with freaks, weirdos and closet communists, because of his agendas. He is wrecking this country.
47% of you are dead wrong. Why?
Because Obama's election was historic, you think it's wonderful and want to say you're a part of it. Great. He's failed. Get over it and help fix it. Or...
Because you're ignorant. You can't grasp how capitalism and socialism work. You are unaware of how things work in the real world, how wealth is created, how governments never create anything, the nature of our enemies. You know nothing of history, the constitution, what made this country great in the first place. That's OK. I don't work on the space shuttle, because it would crash. Maybe you should take the same approach to the election. Or...
You're gullible and naive. You watch the constant propaganda from the PR branch of the Democratic Party, namely the mainstream media; CNN, MSNBC, NPR among many others. And you believe everything they say to be true. They make Joseph and Leni look like amateurs. If you don't know who they are, look them up. Or...
None of the above. You just hate this country, are a flaming socialist or communist and you want this system to fail. You are the cancer within.
Mitt - you just got my vote! Bravo for standing up for your position.
kaybeetoys
HUH?!?!?!?!?!?
Our criminal Public Education system is an offspring of your boy-toy Jimmy “Peanuts” Carter. Its record of failure is only too obvious as it has been consumed by Democrat influenced
unionsgoonions that only care about their dues being paid on time so they can continue to ruin our children’s futures. No more evidence of this collusion is needed than to see what is currently happening in Chicago, the Mecca Of Liberalism and Progressivism. You Liberals should be ashamed of the results the Public schools are creating there. Instead you keep demanding for more money and less results.The poverty you Liberals opine so much over has had over $17 trillion dollars wasted on it since 1965 and it hasn’t improved, it’s actually worsened. This year the Federal government will spend more than $668 BILLION on at least 126 different programs created to fight poverty. States and local governments add about $284 BILLION annually to fight poverty. I guarantee you when the dust settles we will STILL have 14% poverty, just as we have had since the "War on Poverty's" inception.
The brainwashing you so complain about is a result of Liberal policies and failed governance. More entitlements and social programs have never eliminated poverty. It can’t. When you consider that a recent 5-year study by government auditors showed that 22 percent of all federal programs–costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually–failed to show any positive impact on the populations they serve, the reason is obvious. Our government, time and time again, has shown that it is incapable of running ANY entitlement or social program efficiently, let alone affordably.
Understand that report. Our OWN government auditors are telling us that almost 25% of our social programs do NOTHING to help the people they’re directed at! At a cost of $123 BILLION A YEAR! Yet you Liberals believe just throwing more good money after bad at it will somehow, someday magically fix itself.
We need to focus less on making poverty more comfortable and more on creating the prosperity that will get people out of poverty.
Nice try at projection, but we all know Liberalism/Progressivism is to blame for the tortured persistence of an illiterate society and its resultant poverty.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
The Republican retorts here are pathetic. You are the party of "All for me, and F%$@ you. "Are there any real Chrstians left in the Republican party? I'm talking about those who live what was taught in the four Gospels, not the ones who cherry pick a line (usually old testament Judaeism), and do anything they want to (up to and including murder), because they will be forgiven.
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How interesting is it that when obama says something "off-the-cuff" the press is quick to run to his aid with "Oh, his remarks were taken out of context or oh, no, you misunderstood him! and that's the end of the story! But Romney's statement, I guarantee, will stay in the news for the next week or longer and will end up in an obama campaign "infomercial" that will run from now until election day. Fair is fair but the liberal media will hold on to this story with tenacity and ferociousness far, far longer than any thing that obama gets caught at!
Another examples of liberal media bias: Sen. Debbie Wassermann Schultz, the Democratic National Chairman, outright lied about a statement she said she heard the Israeli Ambassador make - he came out and said that he had never said such a thing. When later interviewed she said that she did not make that statement and that she was "misquoted" by conservative press. Her recorded statement was played and indeed she had said EXACTLY what she was denying - ANOTHER LIE. But the liberal press did not even take the time to do any follow up report - but, again, I guarantee, that if a republican had done that it would still be in the headlines!
Lets get real and lets get fair and unbias coverage from all media - I'm tired of rag media claiming to report the news unbiased! give me a break!............they are just party propagandists, period.
I don't take government handouts, I don't ask my government for anything, I have a great job, I pay my income taxes every year on time... Why you gotta bash me Romney?? If you're trying to lose my vote, mission accomplished. For the rest of you Repubs saying that all Demos are on goverment handout, EAT A BIG FAT ONE!!! The problem with this country is people like you Repubs that don't want to help your fellow man, you just want the whole pie for yourselves. That's fine I guess, who am I to judge? Just know that WHEN Obama wins in Nov, I'm going to be laughing my arse off!!!! Peace out greedy repubs!!
I love the Thurston Howell lll news story angle. Remember that the original song to Gilligan's Island was changed from "...and the rest", a small change maybe - but it made "the professor and Mary Ann" happier!
Of course there are no real Christians left in the Republican Party, Ed. Can you imagine Jesus saying to Lazarus, "hey, make sure you get your mail this week, I don't accept your insurance so I'll send you my invoice in a couple of days"? Of course not.
And since when do Republicans get to play the role of the ones who are concerned about the future of this country? Since when do they get to say that Democrats are the selfish ones? If a wealthy citizen of this country were genuinely concerned about this country, he'd vote a straight Democratic country. He would believe in "we're all in this together" as opposed to "every man on his own" and that, as a wealthy citizen, he is in a better capacity to pay taxes and help fund our government than the poor. He'd understand that we can't tax-cut our way out of a $16-trillion dollar debt hole.
Isn't there another ex-Governor sitting in Prison for 14 years on just this very same Dynamic? Americans were suppose to believe that what was being spoken on the tapes was not "of the spoken word" enough to have any meaning applied to the Speaker's "back room" actionable attitude and intent? Corruption, wasn't it?
Corrupt in actionable attitude - corrupt in intent - leads to what? ....."senior campaign people work extraordinarily well together." Is that the 1% of the 1% Campaign for the 1% that he's speaking of here? Or is it the 1% of the 1% Campaign for the 1% of the top 50%, now? This is no "accidental" open mouth-insert foot. This IS the REAL DEAL!
corrupt: "to destroy or subvert the honesty or integrity of" (American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language)
"It's hard to serve as president for all Americans when you've disdainfully written off half the nation" BRAVO!
This whole spinning Campaign for Republican Corruption, of this very moment, is so reminiscent of the oxymoron "height" of the Foreclosure Crisis that was swept "under" the rug. As the scanned and scammed, cheated, swindled, defrauded Americans were being raped, pillaged and literally having their bases, their HOMES, their RIGHTS, credibilities to existence and livelihoods stolen out from under them and nullified and voided they were being called accountably-"irresponsible" and being disdainfully more than cajoled to "do more", "tighten their belts" and "pay penalty and restitution" for having been R & R, INC (Rampantly and Republicanly) raped to victimization. ROLL THE TAPES ON THAT ONE, TOO!!!
Accountability IS NOT the same thing as Blame.
@ Brad Watson, Miami - did you buy the industrial strength tin foil hat this time? The 47% came from the govt., not the Masons.
But, on a side note, if Romney were a Mason, that would be a good reason to vote for him. Masons expect their members to live up to high moral/ethical standards. One thing for sure, Obama wouldn't qualify since it is already know he is an "opportunistic" in telling the story of his life. This doesn't make the mark for Masons. ( Oh, here, just so you know.....Obama was advertised as a "Kenyan born" author by the publishing company who printed his first book, yet he has a birth certificate saying he is born in Hawaii. One of these statements is false. Personally I don't care which statement is false.) The fact is one of the statements is false and he can't take that back.)
Headline Nov. 7th. Obama wins. Romney wonders what happened, or plays a blame game. Everyone except him will be at fault. He might even blame George W. Bush.
So the liberals have people stalking Mitt trying to garner anything they can that will help Obama! I imagine they sort through his trash also along with trying to tape anything he may say! The best they can come up with is Mitt stating a truthful fact! Great work there boys and girls, now climb back in your trash can!
Last week the Media was overheard trying to figure out a way to sit up Mitt and try to get him to say something they could use to enhance Obama! The fact that they were deliberately trying to trip him up by asking obscure questions proves the lie that they are actually Media! Not reporting the news, creating the news! Great work there also, now back into the dumpster with you!
Obama attacks Mitt saying Mitt will change Medicare! Obama has already stolen over 500 billion out of Medicare funds to fund Obamacare! Many seniors are already paying more for health care and getting less under the changes that Obama has already made! Just another Obama lie!
There are a lot of people on the blogs rooting for the Socialist president! They ask how we can support Mitt! They call him a liar and ask, is he really your candidate?
To all of you I say, yes! I watched your man and when his lips move he is lying! When he makes a promise it is always a lie!
If anyone would take the time to actually read what is in the Health care law that the libs have created you would be scared to death!
Why does the government need access to everyone bank accounts? Are they going to be putting money into it?
Why is health care limited to only 10,000 dollars worth of care per year for a family, and 5,000 a year for an individual? Isn’t this rationing?
Why upon entering your golden years is a government panel all of a sudden, in charge of your health care decisions, instead of you or your family?
Obama, stealing our future one lie at a time!!!!
truetexan...(#1.167)...."mikeindelray must not have went to school because he cant do ANY math! 6%??? Are you an idiot or a fool? It's one or the other."
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What I said was most people that don't pay any Federal Income taxes after all the credits and deductions and still get a Refund have a NEGATIVE Tax rate...they make money .....and the ones that do pay Federal Income taxes, after the deductions and credits pay an average of 6% in Taxes......NOT whatever number their Gross Income says in the Tax Tables....it's on Adjusted Gross Income......
You would know that if you paid taxes ....Did I clear that up for you ???
More "liberal Media" comments on this board. Just way to funny (and disturbing at the same time). I had to go to Fox News last night to see how they were covering this latest gaff by Rmoney. NOTHING. NOT A THING about it. They were discussing how Obama's failed policies in the middle east is causing the unrest. ???????????????????????? They are rioting against their own countries, burning their own building, destroying their own businesses and the US is supposed to bomb them?, stop them? What? The morons that watch that channel to "get their hate on", are walking the street today. Doesn't that scare everyone?
Just so you know, Arkius, I do not intend to engage back and forth in personal attacks on my fellow Americans. You can save your insults. I will not waste my time on that kind of foolishness.
We both have the constitutional right to publicly express an opinion. I do not have to justify my opinion-- which is based on my education, my interest in informing myself, and my life and work experiences -- to you or to anyone else. Through hard work, experience abroad, and higher education I have earned the right and accept the responsibility to call it like I see it.
Your personal belittlement serves no useful purpose here... unless you consider it useful that comments like yours will only encourage me to fight harder for what I believe in: the middle class of the United States of America, and the re-election of Barack Obama.
Have a nice day.
While there are certainly Americans that warrant help the Democrats, since LBJ have worked very hard to build the ranks of the dependent simply to have more votes and hence, more power. It is truly sickening. I just can't imagine a person voting for Obama unless they are on the government teet because his record is terrible across the board. Only the angry and envious care about Romney's taxes and wealth but frankly I am ready for a president who will fix our economy.
In my opinion about 40 plus percent of the population would vote for one or the other candidates no matter what they say or do. The winner will be the one who flim flams the 10 to 15% that is in the middle, that folks is political reality. Listening to the rhetoric here and on other threads neither side has a lot of love for the other so for the most part they don't care about them in terms of their campaign. The sad reality is neither side is what they claim to be and their main concern is winning the election and using the ensuing power to hold the purse strings. My question is this, during the next four years will the poor find themselves in safe neighborhoods with good schools and low crime? Better still after any administration have the conditions in those neighborhoods changed significantly? This is another distraction from the real issues and that is exactly what the political gurus want.
Romney for President!
What does Romney think about corporations who weasel out of taxes through corporate welfare?
And I REALLY love the comment about about "union teachers" not turning out qualified professionals. What? The same right-wingers who talk about people not taking "responsibility for their lives" is now blaming union teachers for the under-educated?
And the idiots who say government doesn't create wealth. So it shouldn't exist? IT is documented that during times of relatively higher tax rates, the economy does better. Heard Paul Ruin say yesterday something about "the government asks you to pay taxes, and they go right out and spend it." ?????? Of course they do. And what do they spend it on? American businesses....buying services, roads, supplies, etc. They don't spend it on foreign labor or car elevators. Damn the mis-information the Rove and Norquist, and the Koch brothers have The Stupid believing.
@ Hole - it seems you are the one who is incredibly mis-informed.
Unions protect poor quality Teachers from losing their jobs...result, their student are poor quality too.
The govt. doesn't create wealth. People create wealth. Let alone, you do realize billions of tax (or China) dollars are leaving the country, supporting other countries around the world? Let alone, how many billions is spent on Illegals in this country? Time to use your Bing and start learning.
Mark-423819 ...(#1.193)..."What does Romney think about corporations who weasel out of taxes through corporate welfare?"
You first.....What does P.Obama think about his pal Jeff Immelt and GE not paying any taxes in the U.S.....AND getting all those Government Motors $7,500 rebates for buying fleets of ObamaVolts, propping up GM sales figures ???
Ah, Mittens. Your arrogant and inelegant words don't lie. Now, please, tell us what you really think of us!
Instead of whining, you should be happy you have a job because there's 23 million others who would beg to disagree with this comment and are right in line behind you should you leave it, along with millions more illegals Obama just gave amnesty to.
If you're not happy with your pay, educate yourself more to get a better job or open your own business. This is America, you're free to do that at any time.
Furthermore, you're lucky the "1% who controls your salary" as you put it hasn't packed up and went to Mexico or another country where wages are less and there's much less government red tape. When the Democrats raise taxes on these smaller businesses who happen to be in this 1 percentile, that's exactly what they are going to do!!
izzyserious
It's not a media bias. It's a truth bias. When the argument doesn't go your way, you create these false victim issues. The media is blasting Romney over EXACTLY what he said and he came back and said "YES, I SAID THAT". How much clearer could it be?
But when Romney takes a sound byte out of a speech, like "you didn't build that"... or misrepresent what Obama "let" the states get away with on Welfare work programs... it IS the media's job to point out that it's a lie... this it's twisted... that this moron just doubled down on a made up issue.
It's called truth.
willowbrook...(#1.195)..."The govt. doesn't create wealth"
You are correct....however, The Government CAN and IS destroying wealth....for the third time in 3 years with the latest round of Quantitative Easing (QE3)....They have fired up the printing presses at the Treasury again......for every dollar they print out of thin air, makes every dollar in your pocket worth less.....till they eventually become worthless....
In my opinion about 40 plus percent of the population would vote for one or the other candidates no matter what they say or do. The winner will be the one who flim flams the 10 to 15% that is in the middle, that folks is political reality. Listening to the rhetoric here and on other threads neither side has a lot of love for the other so for the most part they don't care about them in terms of their campaign. The sad reality is neither side is what they claim to be and their main concern is winning the election and using the ensuing power to hold the purse strings. My question is this, during the next four years will the poor find themselves in safe neighborhoods with good schools and low crime? Better still after any administration have the conditions in those neighborhoods changed significantly? This is another distraction from the real issues and that is exactly what the political gurus want.
HAHAHAHA!!! This story is too funny!
The fact is kids, you think "he shouldn't have said that", but the reality is it's what plenty of other Americans are thinking. While unknowingly on camera, this man simply told the truth. Wow, a politician who told the truth!! Imagine the possibilities.
No, it was not "eliquent", the truth rarely is. The truth is painful! It's hurts to hear that your policies fail! It really hurts to hear that you are NOT entitled to a living, you have to work for it! Don't like that your job went overseas? Be inovative and figure out a way to do what you were doing BETTER! This is the land of opertunity folks and to see a politician come out and tell the truth is an opertunity I will never forget!!
If Clinton would have said "it was the '60's. We all smoked pot!" I would have respected him more. I am an independent voter who thinks professional politicians are all just professional liars, and to see one say exactly what myself and friends of mine are talking about when at work...he just got my vote!
MIKE...I DO pay taxes and its A HELL of alot more than 6%! YOU would know that IF YOU payed taxes! Did I clear THAT up for you?
Laker Steve
Help me out with your logic here. Capitalism is based on having a wide array of workers. Different people fit into different roles. There must be a janitor, a technician, an electrician, and, yes, a manager, and a even a CEO. We all have different capabilities, both physically and mentally. We all start from different places and have different opportunities available and hurdles to overcome... CAPITALISM DEPENDS ON THIS MODEL. It depends on these differences.
Yet the very party that preaches capitalism thinks that EVERYONE can be CEO simply by trying harder? And that if you're the janitor, that you're somehow lazy or inferior?
This isn't money. This is ignorance and pettiness.
NO APOLOGY AS Mitt "R-money" INSULTS ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY AND SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPIENTS
TYPES OF INCOME THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES- WHO ARE THE "47%"?
1) Active duty military- 1,468,364 million "entitled victims" and their freeloading families....
2) Social Security recipients- 62,000,000 million "entitled victims". Lazy bastards....back to work!
3) Disabled Americans - 13,981,000 "entitled victims" including children with severe disabilities. (Scum!)
4) Survivors receiving life insurance payouts- (slackards!)
5) Rich Republicans- who can derive their income from the following non-tax paying sources:
-give up to $13,000 gifts to each of their heirs
-sale of principal residences
-first $3,000 worth of capital losses
-municipal bond interest
But these non-taxpaying Republicans aren't "entitled victims". They're "entitled donors". Obama 2012
Trickle down economics, proposed by Reagan in 1980 as a national economic policy has increased the richest 1%'s share of our national income from 10% in 1980 to 24% today. The rest of us on average have seen our share of the national income drop by an average of 15%.
On a medium income of $50,000, that amounts to $7500 per year lost to the richest 1%. That would pay a lot of taxes for those 46% who pay no federal income tax (they still pay medicare, social security, real estate, sales, gasoline, cigarettes, alcohol taxes most very regressive). That would help pay for a lot of that interest we pay the rich on credit cards and mortgage loans.
Trickle down economics has enriched the rich while not producing its promised budget surpluses or sustained job growth despite 20 years of Republican Presidents trying to make it work. It is a scam.
Like any scam, the victims should get their money back. That would only be fair. Demand tax increases on the rich. America deserves to get its money back.
The enemy of the state holds the HIGHEST office in the land!! BUT NOT FOR LONG!!!
Truetexan, When will you secede? I hope yesterday!
true texan, What a sick mind you Texans have to say I'm a gimme , gimme , gimme! I pay a much larger % of taxes than Mitt does. I don't hide my money in Swiss Banks. I'm not in the top1%, or5%, but I would probably fall in the top 20%. When you can't tell the truth Texans just make them up!!!!!!!! That is what is wrong with the people of Texas as well as their state and government. Sicko's By the way your state is rated the worst polluter of the environment so that is fact not a lie!
Actually Mike, you're wrong.
Romney loses, TeaTards lose big time.... Loser TeaTards should just go out and do a good Gun Shopping spree (mind you I said shopping, not shooting) - it'll make em feel better ..... LOL
(btw, gun sales are WAYYYYY up - a sure sign Obama wins...)
@ Mike in Delray - true, true
Spence, Please explain to me how or Criminal Educational System came to get that name from you? My school system works great, but we live in civilized Wisconsin -minus a Nazi governor who is trying to ruin the system by give Corporations an business $8000.000.000 in educational money for grants loans and give a ways. At one local school , that had to close their middle school because of all the cuts the kids are now learning in the Commons with room dividers and one class in a hallway. Now that is criminal thanks to Wacko Walker! We almost got him out. Next year as more cuts come and hundreds of schools may have to close!
The comments might not have been meant for public consumption, as they were made at a private fundraiser, and not exactly for all to hear, but the comment was honest and spot on. So who cares that the comment wasn't "elegantly stated." The comments were the truth. The truth is sometimes not elegant and downright ugly. Best to hear it the way it is.
Some people (and 47% is probably a good guess!) will always think that it is government responsibility to provide for them. I agree that candidate Romney cannot and will never convince those folks that responsibilty is something they should aim for and achieve for themselves.
Skipped over the parts that don't support your opinion, didn't you. Obama gets a pass, Debbie Wassermann Schultz gets a pass.......by denying they said it or saying "you took me out of context" or you misunderstood". Romney stands up and says "I said it", he didn't deny it and you crucify him - FOR TELLING THE TRUTH???? The "MEDIA" lets them off the hook, but can't seem to provide the same courtesy to Romney! Tell me WHY that is? What kind of logic do you employee??? And if you were to actually listen to his complete remarks - which I bet you haven't - you'd see it was and election point NOT an anti-minority point he was making. But go ahead and jump to the wrong conclusions because denying truth is better for you than owning up to it - especially if the guy is with the "other team"!
Apparently Mitt struck a nerve with the left. The outrage from the libs is humorous. Romney just called out the elephant in the room. This is something that conservatives have known for a long time.
Obama, knows this all to well. That's why he's put more people on foodstamps then ever before and why he's pandering to college kids about their student loans. When 47% pay no federal income taxes the Republic is at it's tipping point.
clwyd...I c;icked to agree with you on that comment. I wish we would have YEARS ago!! You can spew your lies and B.S. all you want but educate YOURSELF because it doesnt make it true! Educate yourself on WHO gives more to charities the a$$e$ or the repubs. The only sicko's onhere are the democRATS who wont get off their knees worshiping a FAILED "leader"! Leader is a joke of a term for BOZO! PLEASE TEXAS SECEDE SOON!! We would sell you yanks all the oil, gas, food and whatever else you want for triple the price. I would love to watch you libs cry over that one!!!
If you read in context he is saying he doesn't care about trying to get their vote, he knows they aren't going to change their minds. NOT that he doesn't care about them as people or their problems, bunch of inflammatory jerks.
Let me know anywhere in my comment where I called him lazy or inferior. Don't put words in my mouth.
I'd like to hear President Clinton respond to Romney's comments.
We were ALL doing just fine, until Republicans lied us into war and robbed us blind!
HE, MITT ROMNEY, IS THE ONE WHO DOESN'T PAY ANY FREAKING TAXES!!!
I pay tons, and tons, and tons of money in taxes and in Romney's stump speeches, I'M THE ONE HE'S TARGETING FOR MORE TAX HIKES!
Now, tell us, WHO is the "divider"? Mitt Freaking Romney! Dividing the rich from the middle class and labeling it "JUSTICE".
You suck Mitt Romney!
Other than the reaction from the Obama cheerleading media, what's the story here???
Romney only states plain and simple truth. OK, maybe THAT'S the story...that we actually have ONE honest presidential candidate and that they "captured him" being honest on secret video. This is ridiculous.
...So, what would you do about "those people," Mittens? If you claim you can never convince almost half the population of the United States to "take care of themselves," what is your plan?
Seems like you have to go one of two ways here. You can keep almost half of the nation "dependent on government" as you claim...or you can take away everything you belittle them for getting from government and let them starve.
So, Mittens... what's your plan for half of America?
And do you really think you can insult 47% of the population and still expect them to vote for you?
What about the other 53% that sees right through you? What about all the voters who have heard enough of your lies and your 180 degree turns? Who is going to vote for you? Do you think you are entitled to be annointed president?
It's over, man. Take that silver foot out of your mouth now, and just go home.
Romney ...
Who pays for the health care insurance of the politicians? - TAXPAYERS
Who pays for the retirement plans of the politicians? - TAXPAYERS
Who is included in your mystical 47% - RETIRED TAXPAYERS
Who else is included in that 47% -
CHILDREN
EMPLOYED PEOPLE MAKING A BARELY LIVING WAGE
INJURED / ILL PEOPLE
PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED BECAUSE OF THE FAILED POLICIES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION
PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED BECAUSE OF THE BANKING CRISIS (CREATED UNDER RONNIE RAY-GUN AND DUH-BA, WHO DID AWAY WITH THOSE PESKY BANKING REGULATIONS)
INJURED MILITARY WHO CANNOT WORK
ACTIVE MILITARY WHO ARE SORELY UNDERPAID
THE UNEDUCATED WHO DO NOT HAVE GOOD LIFE SKILLS
Who else is in that 47%?
THE EXTREMELY WEALTHY THAT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF TAX SHELTERS AND LOOPHOLES TO PROTECT THEIR INCOMES
ALL THOSE WORKING 'UNDER-THE-TABLE' FOR CASH OR IN THE ILLEGAL TRADES (DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, ETC.)
IT CAN BE FIXED, ROMNEY! If the 1% world be willing to pay their fair share ... if the politicians would be willing to pay their fair share ... the United States would remove ALL forms of taxes; income, property, etc. and impliment a Flat Tax (Value-Added Tax or Sales Tax - call it what you will). This would be on ALL purchases ... including those purchases made by companies, schools, churches, the rich, the poor and those on the welfare. (Sorry, but the excuse that it would hurt the poor just doesn't hold water.)
By having a flat tax EVERYONE would pay their fair share ... those who have more tend to spend more ... those who have less tend to spend less. Our country would get tax revenues from those who are making plenty of money illegally and not paying a dime as well as from those who are making millions (or billions) legally but find ways to exempt that income behind corporate tax shelters. Anything being brought into the country would be required to have a bill of sale with it and whoever purchases that item would need to pay the same 'value-added' tax on it.
Let's see why this won't work ... oh, yeah ... the 1% who MAKE THE LAWS or PAY OFF THE POLITICIANS TO LOOK AFTER THEIR INTERESTS ... THEY would actually have to pay their FAIR SHARE!
Did anyone mention to stupid that the position of president is president for the entire country not just those making over $250,000. Tell him to pickup a newspaper and check the wanted ads. where there used to be pages of ads is now about 3/4 of a page. Why is big oil with their record profits getting money from the government while they steal us blind. Mitt jokes about no one asking for his birth certificate, well I'm asking. Prove you weren't born in Mexico.
BOZO has ONLY kept ONE promise he made...ONE!!! We will fundamentally CHANGE AMERICA!!! HE has and it SUCKS!!! The big divider in chief. The joke of the world! You libs are right there with him, a disgrace to this country!!
Oh what an entertaining day. Just look at all the little republicans (a good lot them I'd bet are on the government dole and not paying any taxes, think red state) clamor. Should be interesting. Romney has painted himself into quite a corner. Does he dupe the large portion of his base that ARE in fact on the dole but not bright enough to figure it out (remember the "keep your government hands off my medicare signs at the TP rallies? Or all the un-employed TP people protesting in Nevada) and back away from this asinine comment? Or, does he go full bore and continue to implode? This is like watching a bad B movie. You don't like the movie, but you just have to watch and see how it ends. LOL
truetexan...(#1.203)....
You must make some big bucks if your Federal Effective Tax Rate is " A HELL of alot more than 6%!"
Regular Income----Not Capital Gains Income.
__________________________________________
Income:......... Effective Federal Income Tax Rate:
_____—--------- ___________________
< 10,000 .......... -7.6%
10-20,000.......... -6.3%
20-30,000........... -3.3%
30-40,000............ 0.8%
40-50,000............ .3.0%
50-75,000............. 5.7%
75-100,000............7.4%
100-200,000......... 10.0%
200-500,000......... 16.0%
500-1,000,000....... 21.1%
> 1,000,000 ...........21.8%
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?Docid=3491&DocTypeID=1
Hmmm....did Romney really say anything that isn't the truth? He is right. Romney doesn't need to worry about alienating these voters since they weren't going to vote for him anyway. Obama is a panderer to every group and he isn't telling the truth. He is a consummate liar. He tells everyone what they want to hear and make them feel all warm and fuzzy. He's a 'feel good' president. Good for Romney for being TRUTHFUL! Only a small minority of our politicians today are telling the truth.
Romney/Ryan 2012
American Girl, when Clinton left office we were already heading into recession and budget trends were already headed into deficit spending. To top it off when it's all said and done you can disingenuously claim the economy is Bush's fault all you want -- somehow even after 4 years -- but the truth is Bush's only role in the financial meltdown was that he continued on with Clinton's already existing policies.
This is well documented in the post #1.30 here.
i wish they'd decide on a consistent narrative to describe liberals or democrats. last election cycle, we were all over-educated elitist yuppies, now we're all welfare recipients sucking on the government tit?
remember when Obama was a snob for wanting people to go to college?
Mike in SA
The story here is Romney's belief system. He has benefited immensely from trickle down economic policy which has cut his taxes numerous times while driving up the national debt which the rich largely fund with their excess investment capital. He sees this as fair.
He criticizes the victims of the failed trickle down economics for not paying taxes. Their incomes are stagnant since trickle down served to enrich the rich (top 1% held10% share in 1980 of nation's annual income, 24% share now). He says they don't take responsibility for their own lives.
When we went into recession in 2008, business preserved its profits and even enlarged them by putting workers on unemployment. I.e., they shifted the cost of their excess labor to government unemployment program adding to our deficit. I consider this to be shirking their responsibility. Yet, Romney blames some of those unemployed for not taking responsibility.
We were founded as a democracy where it was intended that the middle class would control its government. Thus one man, one vote. The rich today bear a striking resemblance to the King and his Lords of England circa 1776. Powerful, arrogant, and very rich.
It's time for the middle class to take its country back from the scam of the rich, trickle down economics.
OBAMA 2012
The reality is that a lot of those 47% are poor white, very socially conservative voters who will be voting for Romney. That must be the part that Romney thinks feel like "victims". Most of that group don't feel like victims, they just have a better understanding of the federal income tax system. You know, the same system that Romney manipulates to pay only 13% of a vast income each year in taxes. When you figure in state taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes, gas taxes, probably all of the people in this group pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than Romney.
lady cat...The "big oil" companies make a PROFIT BELOW 10%. "BIG GOV." taxes them per barrell of oil AND per gallon of gas and makes MUCH more than the oil companies and they produce NOTHING but regulations! NOTHING!!! Why dont you tell YOUR "prez" (cough, puke) he is suppose to BE a president and NOT a divider!!!
Do we REALLY want someone who insults his fellow Americans, not to mention foreign courntries, as our president?? Romney seems to have to do a lot of backpeddling after he speaks. I am an Independent, so I have no party "loyalty." I think this man is a danger to our country. He has a serious case of foot-in-mouth disease, as does his running mate.
truetexan.......I'm not saying you don't pay enough....whatever it is....just showing others where the 47% of people that don't pay any Federal Income Taxes numbers come from.....And that Romney was correct in his statement.
Sorry Mittens
I am very well off, easily in the top 1/2 of 1% in income
I own 5 homes (3 in the US) one is even in Grand Cayman (And I and everyone else knows why you keep money at First Caribbean Bank or whatever one you use--First Carr is affiliated with Barclays so I feel more comfortable with them but I only keep a small account there so I have a 'local' bank when I am down there)
I have a rather large investment portfolio (All held in the USA)
I have very good health insurance that I pay for, though they are a pain in the arse to fight with when I do have a problem that could be called elective but really is not.
I don't mind paying my taxes, this country has been good to me; I never dreamed I would be so wealthy; I owe my fair share back, even for those who are not so advantaged.
I want everyone to have decent healthcare, not to suffer. I know God wants that too, it is a moral imperative. It is even why I sit on the board of a Health Charity. I know a healthier society is a stronger one, more productive one, it is why I support medical research like Stem Cells.
I believe everyone has the right to equality and freedom, to live and love and marry who they choose as long as they can give informed consent.
I believe women have the right to choose no matter of what I think of abortion personally. See what they choose is none of my business.
I will not play politics with our nations defense, when Bush lied (And he did know the information he was presenting was not credible and he did not provide congress the contradictory information that was true and refuted his position) I did not support his war in Iran. I did not like that they used the lie connecting AlQueda and Saddam to achieve that war. And he had his people doing everything they could to link the two (even though they were enemies) to play on the paranoia created by the real attacks on 9/11. But now Mittens goes on attack while the problems in the middle east have just begun, before the causes are even known, before almost any facts are in. No Mittens you, who have no Foreign Policy experience, your campaign called that topic (Foreign Policy) a "distraction". Well it is a distraction until you (at the horror of many in your own party) seized on it as a totally partisan way to attack Obama. A distraction one day and a major issue the next...FLIP FLOP Mitt? Hint, it is a major issue and concern everyday.
No Mitt, I under almost every demographic you claim, should be voting for you, but I have something you never will...an ethical center, not a hypocritical one.
I know most Americans want success, to move up. I also know most never will or will move only a tiny bit. But I want to make sure they all have that opportunity.
It just goes to show, Republicans are the dumbest beasts alive on this planet, and it doesn't matter how much money they have, they still cannot escape being stuck on stupid.
The largest group of dimwits known to man, Republicans.
Federal Income Tax Brackets for 2012
Here’s a quick rundown of what the Federal income tax brackets are expected to look like in 2012:
Tax BracketMarried Filing JointlySingle
10% Bracket
$0 – $17,400
$0 – $8,700
15% Bracket
$17,400 – $70,700
$8,700 – $35,350
25% Bracket
$70,700 – $142,700
$35,350 – $85,650
28% Bracket
$142,700 – $217,450
$85,650 – $178,650
33% Bracket
$217,450 – $388,350
$178,650 – $388,350
35% Bracket
Over $388,350
Over $388,350
Mike, I also agree with what Mitt said. If everyone had to write a check at the end of the year for ALL their taxes, state, fed., sales, property and so on, they would be outraged! Mitt pays a lower tax rate BECAUSE it is capital gains. IF he was doing anything illegal we WOULD know about it by now.
“half the American people view themselves as ‘victims,’ entitled to handouts, and are unwilling to take ‘personal responsibility’ for their lives.”
Very well said, bravo mate, bravo!
"It’s hard to serve as president for all Americans when you’ve disdainfully written off half the nation.”
All he needs to win is 50.000001%; never mind, strike that. After all of the illegals and double-voters are accounted for (since Obama refuses to do anything to stop them from voting, and actually supports their illegitimate votes) Romney will need 55% of the legitimate votes. I wrote these people off, that depend on the government to survive, a long time ago; these people aren’t even American, they’re un-American, non-American, and anti-American. Since when did it become the government’s responsibility to provide for everyone? That is the definition of Socialism and is NOT the belief system that AMERICA was founded on. If depending on the government for everything I need is what the new face of America is then I am very sad to say that I don’t want to be a part of America anymore.
@The_X_box_360 (comment #1.104)
So let me get this straight....... did this candidate for the presidency of my nation just call me an "self-entitled irresponsible so-called victim"? Seriously?
Thank you for your generosity and your service; you are a true American no doubt. But you are greatly mistaken in your presumption that Romney was talking about you, he was not. It is people like you that Romney was giving praise to; you would realize that if you had seen the entire video rather than just the portion that liberal MSN reports on. What Romney was saying in that video is that it is not the government’s job to provide everything for everyone and that citizens need to take responsibility for themselves and their own lives and for the lives of those around them such as you have obviously done, such is the core of society that this country was built upon. Imagine this, multiply yourself and all you have done for others by a 100 million; that’s a 100 million people taking responsibility for themselves and for five other people whom they may not even know. If this can be achieved what we have is a country of responsible individuals, all unique from one another, living in harmony with each other and supported by each other, all independent from the government and supported by their own doings; this builds responsibility, charity, community; this builds America.
Is that not better than a society of 400 million people begging the government for more? Is that not better than the government forcing half the population to support the other half so that that all are poor but all are equal? That takes away all self-responsibility, charity, reliability; it destroys community and breaks down trust, it will destroy America and over half the population is blind to that fact because they are already 100% dependent on the government and will likely die if that support is taken away. This is what Obama wants, it is his ideal America where the masses are entirely dependent on government assistance; that assistance may keep you alive but it will never let you prosper. And once the entire population is sucked into this trap of government assistance America is doomed. Dependency makes you a slave, trapped with nowhere to turn. If we are all dependent on the government who will speak out against it? Who will say this isn’t right? No one will because the minute we do that is the minute we get our lives, that were so graciously given to us, taken away.
For you who dislike President Obama, you must really hate these guys. They actually created most of the dreaded 47%ers.
"When Ronald Reagan signed into law the Tax Reform Act of 1986, he boasted, “Millions of the working poor will be dropped from the tax rolls altogether, and families will get a long-overdue break with lower rates and an almost doubled personal exemption.”
Both the initial Reagan tax cuts of 1981 and indexing income taxes to inflation in 1985 had a similar effect.
In the 1990s, the Republican-controlled Gingrich Congress passed a $500 per child tax credit that also wiped out the income tax liability of many low- to moderate-income households.
“Fully 93 percent of the tax relief in our bill goes to taxpayers with annual incomes under $100,000, 76 percent goes to taxpayers with incomes under $75,000,” then-House Ways and Means Committe Chairman Bill Archer, a Texas Republican, said at the time. “If ever there was a tax plan for America’s forgotten middle class, this is it.” (Business Insider)
Simple minded Republicans have a problem. They always hear what they are told but seldom understand what was said.
GOP apologists, explain if you can why anyone should vote for Romney. Even the uber-wealthy will do better if the middle class is economically vibrant. Obama's policies strenghten the middle class, the consumer class, the real engine of job growth and prosperity in America.
Romney the emperor-wannabe is an empty suit who has no clothes.
truetexan - What you fail to point out (can't imagine why!) is that the "investor class" only pays 15% on most of their income (as capital gains) - no matter how much they make.
That's the same rate as a working person making $8,700 to $35,350 a year.
Just look at the one year of Mitt's tax returns (highly sanitized) that we have for 2010.
$21.6 million in taxable income - tax rate of 13.6%. And NO payroll taxes (which take 7.65% out of every check made by working people).
You call that "okay"? Really? The janitor at an elementary school pays more.
Neither are all those people Mitt called "entitlement leeches" . But according to Mitt it's okay for him to reduce his taxes by whatever means are legal. When working people get a break, though, they're no longer worth worrying over.
Romney quoted>>>What I have to do is convince the 5-10 percent of people who are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon, in some cases, emotion, whether they like the guy or not."
Well I fall into that 5-10 percent. I do not like Welfare the way it is. It should be around to help out those who need it short term. But what this Idiot is saying behind closed doors is that 47% of our AMERICAN citizens are lazy.
47% that is 1 out of every 2 nearly half of our population. Just wants entitlements and hand outs? Really who the hell wants a President that thinks so low of our populace. Try walking up to ten people and tell them they are American and lazy. I would bet more than 5 of those people would slap the crap out of him or tell him he is fricken crazy.
Here is a clue Romney The vast majority of Americans want to work, want to do better by their children. Want the USA to be at the top of the list in every way. The vast majority can see beyond just helping themselves. And can see that the most rewarding Business. Is one that employees enjoy working for. The most successful business's are the ones that benefit everyone. Not just CEO's. But customers, and its employee's.
Sorry to tell you this Romney but that 5 - 10% you know the thinking ones you spoke about. The Independents are the ones who actually weigh the options and don't vote blindly. Due to some political ads on TV. I am Voting for Obama not because I like the guy I don't. But because I have no other better option.
THE "ELEGANTLY STATED" VERSION OF MITT "R-money's" REMARKS:
Ebeneser (wow, appropriate handle) - the GOP is lying to you by omission.
They're using the phrase "income tax" to imply that 47% of Americans don't support our government financially. The truth is that working people in America have shouldered the BIGGEST burden of supporting our country through PAYROLL TAXES, while the rich and corporations got a reduction in their contribution (mostly INCOME TAXES) by reducing the income tax rates across the board.
Then they point to those at the bottom (whose INCOME TAXES have been reduced to 0%) and say, "They're leeching off me - they don't pay any INCOME TAX!" Yet those at the bottom are still paying a bigger percentage of their income in TAXES than the rich are.
See? It's lying by omission. Something the GOP is very, very good at.
Sources of federal revenue, 2011
Sources of federal tax revenue, 1945-2010
That's more than Mitt paid.
He ALREADY paid taxes on the money invested! The invested money is taxed at a lower rate. IF the people with the money have NO incentive to invest, where will we be? I cant speak for anyone else but I have never got a job from a poor person only people that have money hiring people to work for them. You can take away ALL of their (the wealthy) wealth and it wouldnt run this country very long. If you want jobs stop regulating them out of this country. If you raise taxes on businesses thay just pass the tax along to the consumer until they cant compete any longer and MOVE the business overseas where they can compete.
Don't like Romney, but aren't too confident in Obama either? Consider Gary Johnson.
Excellent point, LMarcT.
American business owners have a responsibility to pay all their workers a living wage, from the CEO on down to the janitor. Unless they pay their employees adequately, they themselves are creating the situation in which we now find ourselves: too many working people, earning only minimum wage, living on food stamps and without benefits. CEO's making 250 times what the average worker makes, and paying a smaller percentage of their income in taxes. Every member of the Walton family a billionaire, while the average WalMart employee needs government assistance to eat.
All workers deserve to make a liveable wage. Or we could just let half the population starve, as Romney advocates.
shaak32, your response is simply a validation of what Romney said, considering...
First let's get this straight, the national debt is not the result of any tax cuts. If everything remained the same regarding taxation, and the only change we made was we had instead tied increases in federal spending to something rational, logical and reasonable (like population growth and inflation) from 1970 -- after the implementation of the Great Society programs -- until now, instead of having a $16 trillion debt, we would have a near $16 trillion excess and adding to that excess at a pace of nearly $1 trillion a year at this point. Instead of spending $3.6 trillion annually, the federal government would only be spending $1.6 trillion.
This means that, alternatively, once we had balanced our debt, we could have started cutting taxes from the bottom up and at this point over 97% of Americans would pay no income tax at all. Income tax would be reserved for only the top 3% and we would still be running (smaller) surpluses in that scenario also. This, if only we had tied the growth of government and spending to the reasonable and rational parameter of population growth and inflation.
The problem is NOT taxation. If we did this one simple thing now, our debt would be completely gone within 20 years and we would then be able to start alleviating the tax burden from the bottom up as noted.
BTW...amongst the financial chaos in Europe, one thing seems to be incredibly under-reported. That is that the strongest remaining economies, the economies that the failing nations are depending on to bail them out, have all used supply-side economics in the past 20 to pull themselves out of holes and strengthen their fiscal positions. Germany, Sweden, Norway...all cut both taxes and spending to get on the solid footing they're on. Other emerging European nations like Estonia are also doing so by combining tax cuts and fiscal austerity.
The "victims" of trickle down economics saw their household incomes rise by 15% -- in real dollars -- between Reagan's first tax cuts and 2009. And 2009 was lower than peak because it was the trough of the recession. BTW...the people who are not paying taxes aren't in that situation because they are doing so poorly. They don't pay taxes because every major supply-side tax cut (Reagan early-'80s, Clinton mid-'90s, Bush mid-'00s) has also cut tax rates and/or given exemptions benefiting the lower brackets to the point where 47% of American pay no income tax at all. Hundreds of millions of US citizens benefited from supply-side cuts. Supply-side has created an economy in which the average person in our bottom 5 percentile -- the poorest of our poor -- is in the TOP 30% of global wage earners.
You're exactly who Romney is talking about. You're crying "victim" even though your household has benefited from exactly what you're railing against.
It's time you put you gnawing envy to rest before you cut off your nose to spite your face.
I gotta say there are some very delusional comments on here by my fellow republicans...
this gaffe by Romney is no joke, it's probably going to cost him the race.... and Obama doesn't have to say anything... just let it snowball...
and coming up with ridiculous spin logic (there is no way to spin out of the crazy 47% thing) and bullying the Democrats on here instead of talking about how Romney can effectively lead, save the country money, etc. just makes you guys look desperate, squawking, internet trolls.
Thanks for embarrassing us and shooting Romney in the foot every day guys, now we are all gonna pay higher taxes next year.... thanks a lot.
See, this is why you still vote GOP. You don't understand how rich people like Mitt get out of paying the tax rates that you pay.
Mitt DID NOT pay taxes on that money as wages (as you or I would do if we earned it and then invested it).
He got his "wages" from Bain as "carried interest". Bain put it into his bank account without any deductions for payroll taxes or income taxes. And then when Mitt filed his taxes, he claimed that money as "capital gains" and paid 15% on whatever his taxable income was figured at (after all his deductions for things like Ann's horse).
That would be the equivalent of you or me getting 100% of our gross paycheck deposited to our account, using it for living expenses, vacations, whatever we wanted and then paying a tax rate of 15% on whatever was left over.
It is a LIE (vigorously perpetuated by the investor class) that they "already paid taxes" on that money. They NEVER DID.
truetexan I got a job from a poor person more than once. One time it was from a Tile setter. He needed a helper Apprentice. So I learned how to set tile. Some times he barely made my payroll. I also Got a job from a small contractor doing roofing. Same thing we went from job to job. The last poor person I got a job from that was/is poor is me. I have created my own Job. And hopefully one day I will be able to hire others.
See the majority of small Business starts out POOR. And they hire all the time. They don't have Corporate tax havens offshore. They don't have all the same loopholes Major Corporation's have either. They do have things they can deduct like actual expense's. And rightfully so.
You buy this crap--no matter how many facts have been stated above--proving Romney is lying (except about the part that he hates the middle class, elderly and the poor (such a good Christian! NOT!)
Romney wants to give the wealthy MORE tax breaks but complains about the poor/elderly/middle class not paying enough taxes? I pay more in taxes than Romney--and believe me--I make a LOT less than he does. Besides if he thinks he pays so much in taxes--why won't he show us his tax returns?
He's one of the 47% about which he's complaining!
Hal-2824511 ...(#1.210)....
Actually Mike, you're wrong.
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When in fact you,Hal-2824511....Are Wrong:
" Half of U.S. pays no federal income tax"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36226444/ns/business-personal_finance/t/half-us-pays-no-federal-income-tax/
Only talking about people required to file Federal income tax forms.....
From Forbes:
Romney's Taxes: It's The Carried Interest, Stupid
Carried interest is the 20% or so of profits that managers of private equity and hedge funds demand from their investors. In effect, it’s pay for their services, contingent on their results–kind of like a CEO’s bonus tied to a company’s results. But instead of being taxed like a bonus, at top ordinary income tax rates of 35%, plus Medicare payroll taxes, carried interest gets taxed—though “the indulgence of the IRS’’ as Sheppard puts it—as long term capital gains, at a current top rate of just 15%. (To oversimplify: the carried interest share, when awarded, supposedly can’t be valued, and so the IRS lets the money managers elect to value it at zero and then have their future income taxed as if they were partners who had risked their own capital in the fund.) After Romney left Bain in 1999 to run the Salt Lake City Olympics, he negotiated a deal that gave him carried interest in Bain funds set up for a decade after his departure–and hence a stream of retirement income taxed at low rates.
And then there are the 950 pages of Bain-related documents Gawker posted on the web on Thursday. No, there were no great revelations in those documents. But as The New York Times reports here, they seem to indicate that Bain partners converted $1 billion of straight management fees (which are not contingent on profit, and are taxable at 35%) into additional lower taxed carried interest. Victor Fleischer, a University of Colorado law prof who has written extensively (and critically) on the carried interest break, argues here that such conversion isn’t legal—although there’s no evidence the IRS has challenged it.
joey...where did you get the money to invest in yourself? OR the other guys? You have to have tools and they didnt magically appear. Like I said before, IF Mitt ever did anything illegal we would know it by now!
And still no response on WHO gives more to charities huh?? HINT: NOT the a$$ party!
Until you came along.
RealAmericansFirst...(#1.245)..."The truth is that working people in America have shouldered the BIGGEST burden of supporting our country through PAYROLL TAXES"
And therein lies one of the biggest problems.....PAYROLL TAXES are only supposed to be used to fund Social Security and Medicare.....It was the Inter-generational Compact between the current workers and those workers that went before them.....Pay It Forward, so to speak.....While legally it is still a separate fund the government has been including the money into the General Funds with PROMISES to always pay it back....to the tune of some $3-4 TRILLION Dollars in IOU's....THAT'S what Seniors should be furious about....not who is better to "find" the money in the future.....PUT THE FREAKIN' MONEY YOU TOOK OUT BACK !!!!!
truetexan - Well, we can sit here all day and argue over whether Mitt's money going to the Mormon Church does more good than it would if he paid it in taxes.
But I never drove on a road built by Mormons.
Like it or not, Romney's comments are true. I'm glad he didn't back down from them, unlike our flip-flopper in chief.
Since the Democrats took over Congress in 2006 and have owned 2/3 or better of Washington since, let's look at what happened since & what record Obama wishes to be re-elected on:
* A mere year 1/2 later coincidentally we have a recession
* Today 23 million people (and counting) are unemployed due to Democratic policies of 6 years
* TWO credit rating declines
* GITMO still open, wars rage on
* Foreign Oil dependency higher than ever.....gotta love those gas prices!
* 5 TRILLION added to our debt in less than FOUR years!!
* Foreclosures continue to skyrocket out of control, even after Obama bailed out the banks!
* Solyndra, ACORN backing, Fast & Furious cover-up
Did I leave anything out? Now if this was your record at your place of employment, ask yourself......would you bother to even ask to keep your job when there's 23 million other people waiting to replace you.....or millions of other illegals that Obama gave amnesty to??
Mike in Delray - you are diverting.
But, to make you feel better:
Now, let's get back to talking about why $21 million-a-year man Mitt Romney doesn't pay as much tax as a janitor.
How do you know WHO built WHAT road?? YOU DONT! Just more B.S. from the left! Class warfare, class envy, racial warfare, old verses youth, anything except YOUR "prez" (gag, puke) record! NOTHING but divide this country!
"realamericanfirst" (b.s.) If you think you need to give the gov. (either party) more of your money, go ahead and donate. They cant run ANYTHING and make a profit. They tried a casino and it didnt work. NEITHER party can spend YOUR money wiser than you or I! Gov. is a leach and the less we have of them the better. Gov. isnt the answer its the problem. We have a spending problem in Washington not a revenue problem!
Aw c'mon TrueTex--even I know the mormons didn't build that road! Why don't you?
And if you REALLY don't want to divide this country then why don't you stop spewing: "more B.S. from the left! Class warfare, class envy, racial warfare, old verses youth, anything except OUR "prez" (gag, puke) record!
OH WHAT A GIVE AWAY! Pot meet kettle!
Mike in SA'
Tax cuts reduce revenue. Reduced revenue increases government's budget deficits. As Clinton said "this is arithmetic".
Bush's tax cuts in 2001 reduced government revenues, which did not reach 2000 levels until 2005. His budget deficits exploded from a surplus of $128 billion when he took office to $412 billion deficit in 2004. That's over $500 billion added to the annual deficit with his 2 tax cuts.
I cited share of national income being reduced for 99% by 15% while top 1% saw their share increase by 240%. That the total of national income increased overall only inflates the numbers I cite here.
GOP ELECTION TACTIC OF THE DAY: INSULT 47% OF THE ELECTORATE!!!
Mitt Romney insults the masses. His statement is the best line since Marie Antoinette said, "the peasants have no bread?..let them eat cake." If we're really lucky, maybe the result will be the same....
THE “ELEGANTLY STATED” VERSION OF Mitt “R-money’s” REMARKS:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the President Obama no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, 1.5 million who are the deadbeat families of active duty military and pay no federal income taxes, 62 million who are Social Security recipients that have worked their whole life, and now want a “free ride” in retirement, 14 million with disabilities who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are somehow victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for their pathetic disabled lives, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That's an entitlement. And they foolishly hope that people should in some way, help them. And they will vote for Obama no matter what.”
Romney added: "My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their shiftless, worthless, lives. What I have to do is convince the 5-10 percent of people who are wealthy like me, that are also selfish, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon, in some cases, emotion, whether they like Mitt Romney or not. Getting those emotional voters to vote GOP, getting them scared and selfish, is what this campaign is about."
“I happen to believe instead in a corporate welfare society, where my contributors, pursuing their insatiable greed, are able to employ others at Chinese labor rates of .33/day, hide their wealth overseas, and make themselves fabulously rich so that they can continue to contribute to my campaign."
SO, you are saying NO mormons ever worked on a road and bridge crew? I know where the money came from. TAXPAYERS! Words mean something. The "statement" was built, not financed.
Looks like the gangs all here.
Paid GOP commenter's all telling romney's.
Has anyone else noticed these same monikers showing up time and time again whenever a comment board goes progressive? The same cut and paste's with the same tired excuses, ginned up for the current Romney hoof in mouth disease.
Then they collapse the progressives who point out the truth, (kinda like how on a national scale they try to limit voting).
They can't sell it, so they cheat, lie and steal.
Not politically correct but ask a Mormon if it's OK to lie in certain circumstances. If their candid the answer will open your eyes as to what this Mitt is all about.
@ NewMalthus comment #1.120--I've heard the quote you gave about voters voting themselves largess and how it destroys democracies. I agree with the quote--but the thing is, it's not just the 'welfare queens' who gamed a system that was not well thought out. It's also the bailouts, the corporate welfare, the military industrial complex, ad nauseum. And please understand, I'm not against welfare per se. Especially help for those who truly need it. But some kind of meaningful work for the able bodied needs to be done to receive it. And the children, elderly, sick and disabled need to be helped. No society is better than how it treats its most vulnerable members. And there is low-end help for those who work, but don't make a living wage, such as food stamps. Quite frankly, I believe we got to the place we are in today as a result of DECADES of mistakes. Both the Dems and Repubs got us to where we are today. Both parties are beholden to the BIG bucks that donated to their campaigns. I am looking for a third party to vote for.
To lola3--you don't have to vote for Bill the Cat--just start looking for a third person/party to vote for that most closely approximates what you are looking for.
To Shirley Ujest comment # 1.37--you got me laughing with that one!:)
To Mike in Delray--I see your point, that the 47% are those who file income tax returns - but Romney STILL insulted them by saying the things he did! Of the many of us who get partial to complete income tax returned to us, how many of us view ourselves as 'victims' and don't take responsibility for our lives? Most of us have jobs and are working hard to make ends meet. My husband works, and I am transforming my back yard into an urban homestead where we grow our own food and I am looking for ways to increase yields enough to sell at farmers market. I'm 61 years old, and I would still be working at my career except that jobs in my field have shrunk tremendously--thanks to the crash of 2007-8. Go back to 1999 with the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act, and you will get a better idea of the kinds of things that caused this mess.
bored...your laughable!
After welfare reform, a total financial collapse, and layoffs that are applauded by the business community, we still have conservatives blaming all our problems on those who need public assistance. With corporations sucking on the government teat, how many "lazy" Americans are really there?
When you filter thru the 47% of Americans not paying any INCOME tax, those that are elderly, too young to work, disabled, and those who don't have enough taxable income to pay income tax (yes, big corporations too), how many are left to blame on all our fiscal problems? Perhaps 10% of those 47%?
The Republicans have been blaming the welfare system for years now, trying to tie them to our deficits and spending. Those Republicans blame those who have the most need for all our problems, creating class warfare, discrimination, and totalitarian solutions for fixing what is really a non-issue. But you can see how well it works to pit the poor against the rest of America. After all, it's easy to blame those that can't defend themselves against the rich and powerful.
It is disgraceful to think a political party would pit Americans against Americans just so they can grab power to help the rich become even more rich, and so ill-mannered that they would destroy the American middle class (the golden goose) that makes this American free enterprise system so great.
The Republican party- the scariest thing this country has to offer.
Mike in SA
Thanks for your thoughtful analysis.
Clinton produced 4 balanced budgets. He raised taxes on the rich and gave it in the form of earned income tax credit to the working poor. The remainder was increased revenues which he used to balance the budget. Those 4 balanced budgets each had spending increases of $50 billion per year.
Usually, in an analysis, you have to account for the exceptions. The Clinton economic policy disproves the case you made. An economy works best when human activity is maximized. When a person at the lower end of the income scale is able to spend money on food and rent and clothing this helps their grocery store, landlord and department store to make more money and hire more people.
When you have a rich person sitting on vast sums of money waiting for the economy to improve as now, you are basically having money (idle capital) doing nothing. Clinton's miracle was to take some of this idle capital and put it in the hands of people who immediately spent much of it, thus injecting money into the economy (trickle up). The rich benefit (despite the tax increase) by having increased investment opportunities and eventually a higher return on their capital as well (interest rates go up as the economy moves towards full employment).
Trickle down has failed. Trickle up is proven to work and as a society we all benefit as even poor people start doing better, which reduces government spending on those Great Society programs you blame for our problems.
Trickle up helps the poor, the middle class, and even the rich.
Trickle down only helps the rich and makes the deficit grow.
Shaak32, I'll also stand by my original statement. The our debt was caused by out of control spending not insufficient taxation. I've clearly laid the facts out. Historical tax law could remain the same. Every tax cut and increase could be unchanged and we would still have a near $16 trillion excess if we had only tied spending increases in Washington to logical functions like population growth and inflation. That of course is a $16 trillion excess instead of the $16 pit we're now in. When you have a well thought response to that...then we can start talking.
It is only "arithmetic" if you consider second grade math as being the same as college algebra. Clinton's statement is only true if you have no understanding of the drivers of tax revenue (GDP) and are only looking at the immediate fiscal impact of the tax cuts. There is a reason it is called "trickle-down" instead of "flooding-down".
Since revenue is a function of GDP, one needs to base expected revenue growth on GDP growth. What supply-side does is grow the GDP faster than the norm so one has to compare expected revenue intake based on average GDP growth (3.5% per year since 1947) vs. actual revenue intake with the supply-side cuts. One would expect an initial drop in revenue, but then as GDP grows at a faster rate than average, tax revenue in the long term ends up higher than it would have had the economy grown at the average rate due to increased economic activity and a expansion of the tax base. This works particularly well in times of high unemployment (which apparently you were not one of the nearly 20% of Americans who were jobless at some point in the early '80s since you don't think you benefited). We see an example of this with Reagan's tax cuts which initially lowered revenue (in '81 and '82) but then produced more revenue than expected using the average 3.5% GDP growth rate and by the end of 1985 the cuts had already paid for themselves and were producing more than expected revenue going forward. Even Bush -- who I admit probably shouldn't have done his cuts considering unemployment wasn't particularly high -- had his revenue higher than expected with normal 3.5% GDP growth by 2006 and was on the way to having the cuts paid for when the housing market collapsed.
The whole point of supply-side is that it revs the GDP up which expands the tax base. Regardless of Clinton's rhetoric (I'll get to him later), none other than John F. Kennedy saw this clearly and was one of the biggest and most vocal proponents of supply-side economics. BTW...the 3 longest periods of stable economic growth in the US have happened following cuts to the top marginal rates.
Now to Clinton and his awesome economy. Clinton inherited an economy coming into a fresh recovery from recession. Normally the expectation is that one would see GDP increase in the 4.5-5.0% range coming out of recession. We didn't see this. Clinton's recovery was tepid and restrained. His GDP increases coming out of the recession were quite poor at 3.4% and 2.9% in the two years following his election and he only topped 4% growth in 1 of his first 4 years in office. That poor recovery was largely because of the increased tax burden. In fact would you care to guess when Clinton's economy really heated up??? It was in 1997 during a period you would expect to see flat to steady economic growth and it was spurred on by one of the most massive tax cuts for the rich in history (cutting the capital gains taxes by nearly 30% taking the rate from 28% to 20%). This tax law did nothing for the lower-middle class and working poor but it was a huge tax cut for the rich. The average person in the top 1% got 10 times the benefit as a person in the middle 20% and the average person in the bottom 20% actually saw their taxes go up and guess what happened...GDP growth shot up 4.5% then 4.4% the next year, then 4.8% the next and finally 4.0%! That growth led to historically low unemployment rates and the budget "surpluses (if you don't count borrowing from the SSI trust fund)".
Again, if you are part of the vast majority of the US, your situation got much better during this period from the early '80s on. Your concern that somebody else may have made more improvements than you did is just pure envy. "Billy got a better toy than me!"..."So you got a toy, right?"..."Yeah, but Billy's is better than mine!" Grow up.
Nice spin, but that's all it is. As I noted earlier, the budget wasn't balanced until he had one of the most massive tax cuts for the rich ever ('97 capital gains cut). One that actually raised taxes on the poor. BTW, the "surpluses (if you don't count borrowing from the SSI trust fund)" had more to do with the limited growth in spending that Congress dragged him kicking and screaming to. Remember the government shut-downs? Actually I don't hate Clinton. From 1994 on he was a pretty supply-side, pro-business kind of guy.
Clinton economic policy does the exact opposite of what you claim. I proves my point! As I noted, Clinton's early economic policy was a drag on the expected economic recovery into the mid-'90s. GDP growth was slower than expected coming out of a recession largely because of his tax increases. Unemployment didn't get to pre-recession lows until nearly 4 years after he took office and he came in with the unemployment rate already in decline. Clinton's "miracle" only happened when he created the type of tax rates that you hate so much. The ones that allow super-rich guys to pay less than their secretaries. That's what he did when he lowered the capital gains rate by so much. BTW...and it turned out great, as you are so strongly stating.
I would recommend, however, that you need to study up more about the timing of things...when Clinton's economy was great...when his economy was below expectation...and what caused those reactions.
Unfortunately the only thing on your side here is pure rhetoric. History certainly isn't. Fact sure isn't. Time and time again, in economies the world over supply-side has proven to accelerate GDP growth, putting people to work much faster than government spending or even tax cuts for the middle class do (in case you haven't been paying attention to this recovery, the worst in the US ever, and actions taken by the administration).
clwyd-2621393
Hmmmm, really?
So, have you Wisconsonites cleaned up that little mess you had in 2010 already? You know, that little problem of 94 out of the 228 public schools that missed the AYP (adequate yearly progress) requirement of the No Child Left Behind Act.
Racine and Madison districts failed to meet federal requirements the past two school years, so they were added to another list that makes them subject to sanctions. The Racine district, the state's fourth largest, missed the math requirement. Madison, the state's second-largest district, missed the reading requirement. Milwaukee has missed both the reading and math requirements for five or more years.
Yes, the People’s Republic of Madison, crème de la crème of liberal progressivism, the state-workers’ paradise, greener than thou, smarter than thou, more just than thou, gun free, smoke free, bike-ridin’, drum-beating, sandal-wearing, tent-camping Madison, where 2+2 = tax the rich.
Yes that Madison. Madison Wisconsin. One of six, out of 420, school districts in Wisconsin that failed the test. The same district that held their mob-rule protests, teachers and administrators that took off work on fraudulent doctors excuses. The same ones that took students out of class to give the appearance of support even though most had no Idea what they were there for or even who the Governor was .
Of course Madison school officials and leaders in the capital’s educational community blamed the test.
Did the school administrators use the tried and true excuses of the typical limp-wristed Liberal bobbleheads, the “three F’s”: it’s not Fair, it’s not my Fault, and it’s not mine to Fix. Of course it’s never the bourgeoisie’s fault. It’s someone else’s fault when socialist underpinnings fail.
It's pretty bad when I have to school you about your own school system.
Try to keep up Spanky!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
Ok for all of you saying that what Romney was saying is true, that the 47% who vote for Obama are getting entitlements, I want a proof source and not opinions. Please show me the research because the statistics do not bear this out, not when 67% of federal aid in the form of welfare, food aid and disability goes to states which vote overwhelmingly republican. You can opine all you want but it doesn't make it true.
Mike in SA
Excellent post (#1.273)
Not to belabor your points on this, I feel it necessary to show the Liberals that despite their ignorance about tax cuts generating revenues, they do actually exist.
As the accompanying link below, from the Tax Policy Center shows, despite Bush’s tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 revenues in 2008, $2.288 trillion, almost met Clintons best year with his higher taxes in 2000, $2.310 trillion. These are in constant 2005 dollars.
Revenues as a percentage of GDP were also up. In 2007 revenues were 18.5%, right at the historic average for the past 60 years of 18.4%.
Now, in the same chart you can see what happened with respect to outlays. In the last 4 years of Clintons presidency his outlays dropped as revenues rose thus creating his ability to balance the budget. Once again, there was never a surplus, but very close. On the other hand Bush’s last 4 years saw rising outlays (spending) resulting in deficits.
Remember, Clinton also enjoyed one of the most incredible growth periods in his last 4 years called the dot-com bubble. This had absolutely nothing to do with his governance or policies. As Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan called it, “irrational exuberance”, he was right. His fault was in the fact that he kept interest rates artificially low throughout accelerating the size of the bubble.
Spending is our problem in the Bush era AND today, NOT revenues!
Here is the link:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
One more point. As Liberals constantly decry the divergence between CEO and worker pay levels it may be of interest for them to see when it was the highest in the past 47 years. U.S. CEOs in major companies earned 18.3 times more than a typical worker in 1965; this ratio grew to 26.5-to-1 in 1978 and 53.3-to-1 by 1989 and then surged in the 1990s to hit 411.3-to-1 by the end of the recovery in 2000.
See Figure A in the following link:
http://www.epi.org/publication/ib331-ceo-pay-top-1-percent/
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
CarolC123
I'm curious, can you show me the link to where this data comes from? I'd like to see how they came up with this statistic.
Thanks
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
What's that you say JimSpence? The period where CEO pay really spiked was during the Clinton economy then it dropped by half in the Bush economy??? I will say one thing, I do believe Clinton's capital gains cut did spur a lot of the investment in the tech boom.
You better watch out, your facts are going to make a lot of liberals' heads explode! Somewhere a unicorn just died, marshmallow clouds evaporated and glitter rainbows disappeared.
I do want to post that link again, though. You know just in case shaak32 missed it.
Mitt wants a safety net, Obama wants a hammock with maid service.
Expect Christian
Charity
Expect Christian Charity,
to live a heathen life
Provide their every need, please punish me
Work every day, they watch Oprah
Didn’t cause the recession, suffer anyway
No work, no credit’ Barney don’t care
A home loan for everyone: goodbye economy
Unwed mothers, no morals, no worries
They bore the problems, we pay the price
Sperm Donors abound, then nowhere to be found
They have the pleasure, I have the grief
Country near bankrupt, I pay my bills
Many live for today, taxpayer’s handle tomorrow
1 Timothy 5:3 Paraphrased The church should take loving care of women whose
husbands have died, if they don’t have anyone else to help. 4 But if they have
children or grandchildren, these are the ones who should take the
responsibility, for kindness should begin at home, supporting needy parents.
This is something that pleases God very much. 5 The church should care for
widows who are poor and alone in the world, if they are looking to God for his
help and spending much time in prayer: 6 but not if they are spending their time
running around gossiping, seeking only pleasure and thus ruining their souls. 7
This should be your church rule so that the Christians will know and do what is
right.
Ha so the big flipper flopper sticks to his guns on those staements, now that is funny the one time Romney should have flip flopped he doesn't.
So what percentage represents Mitt the tax dodger and his freeloading tax cheating friends. Put'em up Mitt. We want to see those taxes you claim you payed.
Yeah, MR. Obama....where are YOUR college transcripts and STUDENT LOAN RECORDS ?
Mr. Obama and his NO ACTION on the killing of our Libyan diplomats.....Amateur in action. Wait a minute, appeasement might work.
Rufust Stop listening to the politcal adds and think for a change. The reason his tax rates were lower was because he didn't earn it through a salary. Most of his income is from investments which are taxed at a different rate. That's the law not his choice. You can do the same thing and put your money into investments, earn a higher return then your local bank and enjoy the same tax benifits. Its not hard, even you could do it.
Irony - accusing the Democratic encumbent of appeasement when the Republicans are running a businessman who did more to benefit Communist China's economy and cripple America's manufacturing base than any other businessman in the US.
That really does make you sound desperate for something to dig up, Ido, it really does. Have all the other candidates always coughed up student loan records and college transcripts? No, they haven't. Tax returns? Oh yes, for a long time. So how about you stick to the relevant topics and stop asking President Obama to show all the records that no one else has shown? It really doesn't make sense and makes it obvious Romney and his supporters who insist on all those records for Mr. Obama are grasping at straws and treating him differently than other candidates have been treated.
Just why do you think anyone is entitled to see those documents of just this president?
Mike...............
What money? Reaganomics took it all away. I've been tinkled upon.
miklkit: even if you taxed all the billionaires of all the money they had it still wouldn't pay off america's debt. spending is destroying america NOT low taxes
An eloquent speaker, he is. The more he opens that gaping hole in his face, the further the country leans to the left. Keep speaking Mitt! Don't stop! We love the sound of your words crashing down around you.
Hey Mittins
HOW ABOUT THOSE OVERSEA ACCOUNTS?
like Switzerland and Cayman Islands and who knows else where.
Stealing from the USA tax payer
Interestingly mitt thinks all the low income / non-tax paying Americans vote Democratic,
( this was mitts main complaint in his recent stumping speech to a group of elitist )
Wrong, I know several very low..low....low... income who vote republican ..
They are one issue puppet voters ....Good luck mitt, you're going to need it.
This guy is really starting to make Sarah Palin look Presidential!! LOL!!!!
His remarks were not "elegant" he says.... neither was his squirming and shifty eyes when he was trying to explain his way out of those comments!
The tax code itself keeps many people from paying taxes... people who are working and those who are retired. What an ingorant comment from an ignorant guy!
Keep on talking Mitt... every time you open your mouth, you lose MORE votes!!! Obama doesn't even need to campaign... just let dummy keep campaigning and he will eventually alienate everyone!
Romney is THE GREATEST FOOL SINCE G.W. BUSH! Some thought was Bush was smart, and Bush deregulated investment bankers (Republicans) so they could SCREW THE WORLD!
Now we have a one-sided dope named Romney! A guy who has no idea of the poor, the middle class, the people who struggle in the USA... You may have voted for Bush, and he fixed you good with his religious rhetoric and NO DESIRE to help you.. That ain't religious folks, it's all money and it's all politics!! Sorry you Southerners got screwed when you're idiot ballots showed the dumbass as President back then!
By the way, he lost the popular vote too! You elected the guy that the majority didn't want!
Maybe you'll go for the religious guy with no idea of etiquette now.. The guy who closes jobs on American workers and puts the money overseas and in Switzerland! You could choose a brilliant President, Obama. Or you could choose a complete dope, Romney...
I choose knowledge over stupidity everytime! G
maybe we should stop dropping off pallets of cash to pakistan, afghanistan, egypt, etc, on a regular basis!
Maybe we should GET BACK the money the POTUS just gave to the Muslim Brotherhood!!!! Now that would really insult them!!!!
If those that are screaming for Romney's tax returns truthfully wanted the information, they could easily pull up his financials from Bain, his tax returns when he campaigned as governor, and the FEC documents required by law for presidential candidates.
1POV - Mind telling us where we can "pull those up"?
Not Bain's records - Romney's.
He didn't release any tax returns when he ran for governor of Massachusetts.
Links, please.
We have ONE public tax return from this vulture - when every other candidate for President in the last 30 years has released at least 5 years of returns.
Can you imagine the GOP saying to Obama, "Never mind, Mr. President, we don't need to see your tax returns." ????
(BTW - 11 years of Obama's tax returns are public)
H Y P O C R I T E S
MITT ROMNEY WILL never apologize about anything.He is A BASTA%D THAT THINKS THAT AN APOLOGY IS NOT "MANLY", or that the "help" -the rest of us that are just hanging around to eat his f*** crumbs- are NOT WORTHY.
BULLY!!!!!
Brilliant Obama??? Do you have any evidence of that?
We can't.
It's just more Republican lies. If we could we would have .. if they were there Mit would have referred us to them.
Bain and a number of other businesses are under investigation for their creative financing records. Somehow accounts get turned into capital gains category for taxes to be taken from them. It appears they should be from higher rate instead. This is going to be interesting as offshore accounts just keep getting fattter and fatter and more numerous by the greedy rich. Avoiding taxes and tax evasion are two different things.
Bains tax records are now on www.gawker.com
Show us your taxes Mitt, prove you are not a lying tax cheat!
We need to force our public owned corporations to pay our minimum wages wherever they go. This would show a little regard for workers and bring back jobs fast.
The capital gains tax is where most giant money is made and that's how Romney made most of the money he has in foreign banks. Now this pitiful character wants to totally eliminate that tax. It should be doubled. The present rate is insane unless you are a wall street billionaire with no vision and no values.
The capital gains tax is only 15% before dodges. Insane!
ever hear of a phrase called shooting yourself in the foot?!?!
yes, mr. i'm american and a rich man should pay less than i do for taxes! i'm perfectly happy funding his lily white behind while he giggles and laughs about stealing my money from me under the carefully crafted law from a pershonhood corporation! mr. i want to pay twenty times the amount of taxes that any robber baron should never have to pay! dont' demand that your taxes equal romney's taxes! oh goodness no!!!!!! that would be <gasp> unamerican!!!! unpatriotic!!!!! even... even hitlerite! <faints straight over at the thought>
ldo
Even though you are a troll, I'm very concerned about your well being, you are so full of hate you could explode at any second...... Prehaps you should seek out professional help.
Romney is the best surrogate that Obama has. Even better than that Newark, NJ mayor (dem) Cory Booker who slammed Obama for anti-Bain comments.
Romney claims his tax plan will lower taxes across the board by 20%. If that's true then clearly many that are currently paying taxes won't after implementation of his plan and they'll become leeches like those other working poor who pay no taxes. If he hates those who pay no taxes so much why is he creating more? Since payroll and other taxes make up 58% of revenue and income taxes only 42% I've never understood the rights ability to only count income taxes when they consider who contributes. All you single people making 20K a year with 3 or 4 kids remember Romney hates you and doesn't want your vote.
HAHA, This has got to be the funniest thing Romney has done yet. No really!
Talk about painting yourself into a corner. Old Romney here then starts painting the wall....
Ok you republican brainiacs, that don't seem to have the wit God gave rocks, time for an education! Those who can't read and are upset that I'm not making cute little pictures so you can follow along, skip this and go vote for your republican dictator. The rest, here is the problem with Romney's statement:
The 47 percent is inaccurate, but we'll leave it for this point. Just for you Mitty :)
AT LEAST HALF OF THAT 47 PERCENT MITT JUST ALIENATED ARE REPUBLICAN!!
Did you get that?
Here, let me say that again:
AT LEAST HALF OF THAT 47 PERCENT MITT JUST ALIENATED ARE REPUBLICAN!!
The top two richest people in America are Democrats. Are you complaining that they make too much money and should be giving it back? Do they live off government hand-outs? Kinda hard to take that stance when they would agree with ya, huh?
But Mitty, I thought that is all Democrats do...
Did I mention:
AT LEAST HALF OF THAT 47 PERCENT MITT JUST ALIENATED ARE REPUBLICAN!!
An interesting tid-bit:
Romney argues that the 47 percent he's referring to in his sound bite will always vote for Obama, but, according to David A. Graham at The Atlantic, a disproportionate amount of those people actually reside in red states—which typically vote for Republican candidates. Of the 10 states with the highest percentage of people who pay no income tax, nine are red states.
It's kinda hard to trick low-income and low-educated republicans to vote for you if you are kicking them in the teeth! lol
Well except for those really stupid ones that don't realize you are kicking them in the teeth. I guess they just think teeth magically disappear. Keep telling them that Mitt, they'll believe you!
No wonder the republican's are so against education. Even the dumbest republicans are starting to say, "Duh, wait a minute here. Why would I vote to have all my benefits taken from me while transforming them into tax breaks for the rich. Just don't make no sense!"
Well I can see by most of these comments why America is a mess and how obama got ellected. Dumd***es who should should be sent to live in the middle east cause with thinking like that you should not be allowed to call yourself American. Obviously your still to stupid to see the path we are going down and if thats all you can come up with to decide Romney isnt fit your a traitor to the very country that supports you. Narrow minded idiots! If you want a debate this come look me up and I'll show you what obama has really done to this country!
USMCmx13, how many holes do you have in your glass house?
Why do you call others stupid when you can't spell elected or use the proper form of the words you're and too?
Never mind the lack of punctuation.
Enjoy your ignorance while calling others ignorant.
What Mitt said is the P.C. way of saying 47% of American morons will vote for Obama no matter what he does. And judging by a lot of these post, most of them, excluding myself, are on here making the same unintelligent comments Obama does! Which proves his point exactly.
Audit the federal reserve.
Not elegantly stated? I think he hit the nail on the head. There are almost half the people in this country that do not contribute that do nothing but pop out a dozen kids to a dozen different partners and do nothing but leech off society. They'll vote for Obama cause Obama is into stealing from those who work and giving to those who don't feel like working.
In my opinion, there are those in serious need who fell on hard times and if you help them, they'll get back on their feet and be contributing members of society. There are those who you can help and help and help...and they'll do nothing. Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime. Teach a man to fish and he still expects you to catch it for him, screw him...let him starve!
Imagine how successful and productive this country would be if we didn't have half the people in the country sitting around complaining about how life is unfair while the other half works their butts off for them.
The media bias is making a big deal about this, changing the focus of the news , to help the bad week Obama had , showing his lack of leadership , misshandling and disappointed apologies for the incidents in Meddle East.
How stupid can be the electors to fall in this trap......
How is doing the economy......
How is doing the unemployment........
How many more jobs for this month.......
What about the debt 16 trillions is OK.......
Are we more secure in the Meddle East........
Are we helping the enemies to build nuclear weapons.......
Did your insurance premium went high......
What about the price of the gasoline, double since Obama was crowded.......
Are we loosing our income due to the Obamanomics
Obama promises to say the truth but he is still laying about the economy and kicking the can down the road with the help of the FEDs and the Chairman Bernaki
Romney / Ryan for a better future 2012
welll well well, all the Dumb Liberals are here, What he was saying was that your vote is already going to pres dumbo, why chase your vote, your to stupid to even change your mind, you so badly want to hold obamas hand and praise him as lord, hes not worried about that, he cant win over the people that are not willing to open there minds, see outside the box and so he will go after smart people, the ones with a brain, not people on welfare and cant keep there legs closed were they have 10 kids from different fathers expecting uncle sam to give them everything they need to survive, you people make me sick, im almost ashamed to be in the same country as you people. But I AM A TRUE AMERICAN, I WORK FOR A LIVING, I SERVED MY COUNTRY, AND I WILL NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT NBC ABC AND CBS PUTS OUT, FOR THEY DONTEDTO OBAMAS CAMPAIGN. OPEN YOUR EYES YOU IDIOT, DONT YOU SEE WHAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU DONT, WERE GETTING ATTACKED OVERSEAS AND WHATS OBAMA DOING, DENY DENY DENY, LIE LIE LIE. if you wanna play stupid, fine but dontreproduce, we have already enough dumb people in this world
There isn't anything shocking about his statement, it's true. Why should he back off of it? He shouldn't. This is the very backbone of his campaign. This just illustrates what each candidate is all about. And he's absolutely right, the 47% will not vote for Romney because they don't 'get' what he's trying to accomplish and it scares them.
There are plenty of people who need help but not 47% of our nation. If that's the case, that 47% of our population really need government assistance, then government fails.
I got a call from a friend last night who finally found a job, rather coincidentally, after his 99 weeks of unemployment expired. It was for less money than he was used to making two years ago so after less than a week he quit. And he's pissed at me because I didn't tell him it was okay that he quit. He knows it and that's why he's mad at me. Because he can't take responsibility for his own sh!t.
Regardless of how it was said, what was said is somewhat true. And he is probably right on that 47% of the people are Obama supporters and he will not change their minds and isn't it true that those Obama supporters believe that the government should redistribute wealth and provide practically everything for the people? What part of that is not true?? You condemn politicians for stretching the truth, but then you condemn them for speaking the truth. More truth:
THis has been a reallly terrific election cycle so far. I am having so much fun!!!!!
ROmney reminds me of the ECostelllo lyric "It's a fine line betweeen indiffference and contempt."
I can see why the Right WIng Loonies on this board like him so much. He sounds like one of them.
If government dependency is such a good idea then why didn't the Founders put it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights? If you look at the writings of these Men you'll find that the last thing they wanted was Americans dependent on the government.
This was way back when becoming rich wasn't a bad thing.
Wise and Frugal Government - Ah those were the days!
Wake up people! Jefferson is talking about what the government is doing today!
Nah, just give me stuff
Heck, these were just a bunch of old guys from way back when. They didn't even have cell phones, I-pads, or flat panel TVs. How smart could they be? We're a lot smarter than they were.
Too funny! I am a Democrat who personally paid over $20,000 in taxes last year and I WILL vote for Obama - AGAIN. My parents (retired), sister (retired) and brother (unemployed) however, paid NO taxes last year and are all die-hard Republicans who will vote for Mitt. Funny world.
You are right, we love the success, we demand for more individual responsability, less welfare , more jobs, less governemet, less regulatios, more education , we beleive this is the country of the oportunities like any other country , in this country you do not need to have blue blood or belong to a powerful family to be rich, here we all see the day as the common people by means of effort it is possible to reach the succes, or to be a millionaire like Romney, something therefore we must not to envy. But that we are envied by other countries.
The voters whom that percentage represents do not exist in sufficient numbers to elect Romney. I thought Romney was crazy, but before this latest gaffe I didn't realize how stupid he is as well. Is he aware that he can only become president by getting enough votes? He didn't do well at math in school... he has demonstrated that over and over. Romney also failed logic. He is both mentally and emotionally unfit to be president.
Romney feels he doesn't have to show "you people" his taxes. He believes he is better than the rest of us. He thinks he is entitled to be president. HA!
Is the GOP paying people to post pro-Romney comments? You have to wonder, when every day that passes he digs a deeper hole for himself, make himself look increasingly clueless, and yet STILL has a single person who supports him?
Keep sanity in the White House!
Vote OBAMA/BIDEN
Mark: EXCELLENT and very informative post. It's just too bad that the ones who need to read it the most, won't.
Why is it that so many people on this board are saying they work and pay taxes, so Romney is wrong. DUH. He's NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU. There goes the ole Democratic "victim" assumption. And Romney never said he was not concerned about the poor's welfare. What he DID say is he knows that percentage is chisled in stone Obama supporters, so he is not going to concern himself with trying to sway those votes. They won't leave Obama's socialist ideas that government should provide everything.
Are you people not capable of discerning? Are you stuck on stupid?
Of course many have to mention that Romney was at a fundraiser with wealthy people. HELLO!!!!! How MANY fundraisers did Obama have with HIS wealthy supporters? This whole election cycle has been nothing but double standards and hypocritical comments.
Our embassies are burning, our Ambassador and other Americans have been murdered, the entire M.E. is calling for death to America, burning our flags, threatening our very existence....and leave it to the media to divert focus to conjur up a controversy around Mitt Romney. ANYTHING to cover Obama's azz. ANYTHING to avoid the elephant in the room that is Obama's failed policies and clueless foreign relations. Bragging over and over again about how HE killed Osama Bin Laden, and he is too blind to see that all his braggadocia is inciting more and more radical Islamists to exact revenge for Obama's chest thumping.. That Obama would even put our people at risk so he can have a campaign slogan is shamefull, not to mention STUPID. If, as Obama people want us to swallow, the unrest over there is due to a cheesy movie trailer, I can't help but wonder what will happen when the movie Obama cooperated in making comes out about how HE killed Obama. We can thank Obama then for alienating our allys, because we will be SOL as far as any help in defending our people and country.
But, never mind those little things. Let's talk about Mitt's money. Let's make him out to be unconcerned about poor and struggling people. Which is a complete spin on his comment of the futility of being concerned about focusing on that percentage of voters who are locked into voting for Obama. Romney has donated millions to charities other than his church, and has invested sweat equity to help people, WITHOUT have photogs on site. Something Santa in the W.H. can't say...he just takes his sack of our money and buys him some votes. That is the beginning and end of "his" charity and concern.
The good part about republican speeches is that in plain and simple english they are telling the poor and middle class how they really feel about them, and what they plan to do to them.
The sad part is, there are far too many poor and middle class die-hard republican voters that truly believe republicans are talking about doing horrible things to all the other poor and middle class people, not them.
I'd like to hear President Clinton respond to Romney's comments.
We were ALL doing just fine, until Republicans lied us into war and robbed us blind!
HE, MITT ROMNEY, IS THE ONE WHO DOESN'T PAY ANY FREAKING TAXES!!!
I pay tons, and tons, and tons of money in taxes and in Romney's stump speeches, I'M THE ONE HE'S TARGETING FOR MORE TAX HIKES!
Now, tell us, WHO is the "divider"? Mitt Freaking Romney! Dividing the rich from the middle class and labeling it "JUSTICE".
You suck Mitt Romney!
To be a United States Army Soldier is to be a government employee. Who exactly are you suggesting will "defend" us without government employees...Halliburton...KBR...or General Dynamics? Which private corporation will patrol the border? Respond to a break-in at your home? Rush to your home and resuscitate your drown child?
Then we finally remove the leaches that have sucked our precious bodily fluids for the last 30 years. In 1970 the average CEO made 25 times as much as the average worker. Today that has increased to over 500 times as much. No, as a society, we can most certainly live without the top 1%. Hell, I'll kick in to buy them a freaking plane ticket.
elliot, in regards to your statement (1.6), I'm not so certain that saying such things is an act of guts on Romney's part. After all, he was saying these things in front of a select group of people he is pandering to in order fill his coffers, completely unaware of being recorded. At a fist pumpig, high fiving, back patting rally in front of the "normies," those words would never have left his lips.
It may be futile to attempt to pry open a closed mind with facts, but here goes:
Barack Obama attended Occidental College in California for two years, then transferred to and graduated from Columbia University in New York. He later returned to school, earning a law degree from Harvard Law School magna cum laude, where he had the additional distinction of being named President of the Harvard Law Review.
For those who are unfamiliar with any of those schools, they accept only the best and the brightest students (except for the well-connected 'legacies') who apply from all over the world. Barack Obama, unlike George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, did not gain entrance based on his family's wealth or connections.
Have you read Obama's books? He is clearly a brilliant man. Argue against his policies if you like, but anyone who denigrates Obama's intelligence and hard work has lost all credibility in my book.
Very funny.
Ironically, Aggie, in the end it doesn't matter whether Romney's comments were misunderstood, as you claim, or not.
The man is running for freaking President of the United States. If he cannot say what he means and mean what he says, HE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO HOLD THE OFFICE.
Romney is a walking gaffe machine. Our country cannot afford a leader who has to walk back every statement he makes, every time he opens his mouth. He is stuck in reverse.
Your emperor-wannabe is an empty suit who has no clothes.
The saddest thing about Mitt Romney's statement is that the attitude he expresses towards the 47% is pretty much shared by many other rich people who have benefited so much from the failed trickle down economic policies over last 30 years. At present , these richies seem to feel a sense of entitlement to the tax cuts given to them in the name of trickle down economics. Their share of national income has increased from 10% in 1980 to 24 % today (same as in 1929).
Our economy cannot prosper to its fullest potential when so much of our income is held by so few. They invest in 10 year T-bills at 0% interest. Now, that is money with no good alternative use, it is excess capital that they acquired through the scam of trickle down. It could make our economy grow if it was put to use.
Clinton did this in 1993. Republicans called his tax increases on the rich the largest in history and that he would use this added revenue to give tax breaks to the working poor (expanded earned income tax credit) was going to ruin our economy according to Republicans. Instead, we got 18 million new jobs and 4 balanced budgets in Clinton's 8 years.
Send Romney and his pals back to their mansions. Keep Obama in Washington. Our future depends on it.
College Transcripts?
You have to be kidding. You only want those so you can hopefully find some bad grade in some course to distract people with. What you took in college and how you scored 30 years ago is of no consequence now. Honestly it did not matter just a few years after you graduate.
I took a art course, it would be embarrassing to see that I barely passed it (Glassblowing) but that is all you would see on my transcript, the lowest grade I got in College was that C Minus. The transcript would not tell you I was badly burned by some idiots (who were flunked for the actions) playing around early in the course but just after the day you can drop a class without penalty. And I refused to do any more Hot Glass Projects after I healed which took about 6 weeks (You get hot glass on you and see how you respond)...Late in the course I did a couple small projects and my teacher gave me the passing score. But the score looked odd for a Summa Cum Laude Honors Student.
BUT Mitts tax returns are relevant, they are recent, he admits he has money in offshore accounts, he has claimed not to be working somewhere when certain events occurred, but he was being paid to work there. THis is relevant. His taxes are relevant as he is running on claims of tax changes.
To the birther who above said they wanted to see Obamas Birth Certificate...do you know how idiotic you are? Even Michelle Bachman says he has done that. To the idiot who said a book jacket said he was born in Kenya and he cannot run from that, forgets he did not write that (Actually you know he didn't but it contributes to your idiocy). If he was not Black and did not have a "funny" name you would never make that charge, And that is what makes it racist.
Attack Obama for any of his policies all you want (try doing it honestly) but give up the birthed etc thing. Actually no, keep trumpeting it, it only helps Obama among sane Americans.
TO: ldo who wrote:
Oh what a tickle!
Mitt Robme insults half of the American People and what do the zombies do, take it lower.
You just can NOT imagine how absolutely petty that sounds compared to a millionaire insulting HALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, the middle class, elderly and poor. What a sickening lack of class!
I'd be surprised if even Robme's base supported him after this disgusting insult!
Mitt Romney, I puke on you!
Obama/Biden 2012
Mark: post 2.36
Has anyone else ever noticed how the posters who are wrong or have no facts to back their statements yet still want to shove their b.s. down our throats think that increasing their font size will somehow magically make them "right?"
WRONG, Mark--but thanks for playing!
redvirginia: "You are right:
"we love the success," --as long as you're already "successful" and want to get richer ("more successful")But if you're poor or middle class and need help to succeed then it's we got ours--screw you!
we demand for more individual responsability---unless you're a corporation--then you have no personal responsiblity to your workers--or those less fortunate who helped make you successful
--less welfare--again unless you're a corporation--then you want government handouts/more tax breaks/less regulation
--more jobs--unless you're a Republican congressman and are asked to vote on any "jobs bills"
--less governemet--again unless you're a Republican congressman--then you're fine with living off the government teat with benefits and pensions and medical insurance for life
--less regulatios--unless you're a woman with a womb who wants to regulate her own body
--more education--which is why Republicans want to eliminate the Dept of Education
Funny how that works, huh?
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American Girl....You have it bass akwards. It is OBAMA who wants to raise taxes, NOT Romney. Get it straight.
kay beetoys:
Just so you know Kay bee, I understand why you don’t want to engage me in a discussion, because you’re intimidated that I use the same tactics that you do, so you tuck your tail between your legs and run. Apparently, a dose of your own medicine is too much for you to take. You are nothing but a smug, self-righteous hypocrite.
You have a right to your opinion, but when you put it in the public domain, you expose it to criticism; essentially, those are generally the accepted rules of discussion. That is the way grown ups treat with each other. You express your views, and someone may challenge them. It’s called the exchange of ideas.
If your opinion is based on your education, your interests, your work and your life’s experience, then your opinion is the product of those processes. Don’t be surprised or upset when someone doesn’t agree with your worldview.
There are other people in the world with better educations, broader interests and more interesting work, which has given them a better life’s experience than yours. What do you propose they do with their opinions when they are different from yours, and offer the readers a better insight? Should they just shut up and let you babble away unchallenged because you’re kay beetoys, and you’re the president’s shill? I think not.
I think you have to grow up and learn to understand that there are intelligent, sarcastic people in the world who will give you a piece of their mind whether you what it or not. If your skin isn’t thick enough to deal with it, then that’s your problem, but unfortunately, for you, you will find yourself isolated, and ridiculed.
If you claim that you have earned the right and accept the responsibility to call it like you see it, then you also accept the responsibility to justify your opinions. Otherwise, you don’t have any responsibility at all. Responsibility is not just saying what you think, it’s standing up for what you think; it is either right or is it wrong, and that means you have to justify what you think.
What you saw as personal belittlement was me giving you a dose of your own medicine, and in true Liberal Democrat fashion, you didn’t understand it, and you couldn’t take it.
It is a pleasure for me to teach you a lesson in humility. You like to toss about Ad Hominem attacks like party invitations, but when they are thrown back at you, you cry like a baby. It’s time to grow up. If you don’t want to be treated roughly, then don’t treat others roughly. You can start by being more respectful of Mr. Romney.
Mr. Romney is, just like Mr. Obama, a candidate for the office of President of the United States. Respect is a sword that cuts in two directions. Remember that.
Yes, Aggie, Barry has been the one pushing to raise taxes on the upper eschelon earners. He is the one who brought up wealth redistribution!
I for one think Romney said the right thing the other night. Man how the truth hurts those lemmings who sniff the behind of Barry. Those who will vote for Barry Hussein Obama don't want to go back to work, don't want to give up their free ride, and free food, etc. They are the ones who truly want that redistribution of other's hard earned income. Let no one succeed, or become successful in business, or employ others. Creativity will not abound ever again once the socialism has completed it's course and becomes law of the land.
What a shame that they (slackers) seem to think it's other people's responsibility to keep them clothed and fed. What do you think is going to happen when 99% of the nation is not working and/or paying those taxes to be redistributed? If companies are penalized for making a profit how do you think they will put that profit back into the company to hire your silly azzzes?
Go figure - I guess you just can't fix stupid
Angie 345886
I can assure you that since Obama has been President and Hillary Foriegn Secretary the US is now regarded as a leader not a War Monger. It was good during the Clinton Years and abysmal during Bush/Cheney regime. Check the Papers of other countries.
The rest of you rant is not even worth commenting on
— 28.3 percent of households pay no federal income tax, but they do pay the payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare. That means they don't need Mitt Romney to convince them to "take personal responsibility and care for their lives." They already have jobs.
Most of the households in this group don't pay any federal income tax because they qualify for enough deductions that their income tax liability has shrunk to zero. See this Tax Policy Center report for more, which gives an example of "a couple with two children earning less than $26,400. They get an $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700, and that takes their liability to zero." Indeed, it's worth noting that many of these deductions and credits were part of the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts, which Romney wants to extend.
— 10.3 percent of households pay no federal income tax because they're retired and elderly. Many retirees aren't taxed on their Social Security benefits, which they earned by paying into the system over many years. If Mitt Romney secretly thinks that these households are all irresponsible freeloaders, he has a weird way of showing it, as he keeps insisting that he doesn't want to cut Medicare or Social Security benefits for those over the age of 65."
Asimplicty, that's your post (partial) 2.27. I'd like to know what state doesn't charge their seniors and retireds on their SS income. My mother always had to pay FED tax on her social security income. Right up to the day she died!. Just because you are drawing what you paid in for years (most of us, our entire working life), doesn't mean it's not taxable. I have always had a problem with double taxation. Youi pay taxes (forcibly taken from your paycheck), state tax, fed tax, state Disability, SSMedicare, and then you pay sales tax, gasoline tax, property tax, excise tax, etc. Then when you reach that "golden" age when you feel you deserve to retire from a career, you are taxed again on your Social Security payments that you draw. And if you have IRA or other pension plans, that's called "income" and you get to pay taxes on it again. Mind you, you have over your lifetime, paid taxes on any increases that your "saved money" has earned.
Remember, Barry intends on going for the throat during the next 4 years, not only will we have federalized banking, but there goes all those IRAs and other savings accounts that people have struggled to build. He's going to get his hands on all these, confiscate them, add them to your "entitled" end of working life plan and he'll dole it out as he sees fit, but he will make sure it is spread out among your neighbors so that everyone shares in your savings.
I don't care about Obama's birth certificate or his college transcripts. What I do care about and want to see is his college entrance applications. How does a mediocre student get into Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard? It sure wasn't on an academic scholarship. How does said mediocre student then pay for the tuition at these elite establishments? My guess is he used the same lie he used on his literary biography. He also used his Indonesian passport to support his claim to being a foreign exchange student. I believe he is a US citizen. I also believe he committed fraud to get into these schools as a foreign exchange student so he wouldn't have as stringent academic requirements and he could get his hands on financial aid for international exchange students. The guy's a fraud and you Left Wing Liberal/Progressive Wack Jobs are too proud to admit you've been hoodwinked. Time to put on the big girl panties, grow up, and admit your mistake. I'll forgive you.
A euro,
Uhmmmm, who cares? Just like Eurotrash. The modern number one producers of second raters. Thinking that the US citizenry cares a rat's ass what the papers of "Old Europe" think. I got one thing for you; Pffffffftttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!
Removed
EPIC FAIL! LOL
Wow just wow.
So which one are you- dependent, entitled or a victim?
There are two primary ways to pay no (or negative) federal income taxes. The first is to be poor, and the second is to be elderly. In 2011, of the 18.1 percent of American households who paid no federal tax (meaning, no federal income or payroll tax), more than half were elderly, and most of the other half were non-elderly people making below $20,000 a year. The other sliver, roughly one in 20 non-payers, were people who made more than $20,000 in household income.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romneys-47-who-are-dependent-on-the-government-2012-9#ixzz26mzN5BWg
Wouldn't it just be perfect if his tax returns were released next to show HE really didn't pay any taxes himself. Justice will be done on Election day. Get rid of this tea party!
Chas, was that necessary? Do you feel better now that you attempted to demean someone? Really, you know nothing about anyone's life, and the only person who looks bad when you say things like that is you.
Yes, how dare anyone be old or poor? I mean really, where are those lovely poorhouses when you need them to keep those pesky poor people away from sight? And the old people...how dare they still be alive at their age? Oh, and if you don't make enough to pay all those taxes you should be ashamed. What are you thinking working your butts off to make ends meet?????? Surely your parents gave you some of their inheritance! You mean your parents worked hard, did the best they could, but didn't leave you a huge inheritance? Shame on them...how dare they not be born rich so they could pass it down to you!!!!!
/sarcasm
I'm one of those blood sucking 48% that pays no taxes__GET A JOB so they say. I am 87 years old and live on that nasty old hand out thats called social security .. The Repubs wants to cut it then want me to pay tax on it. I never have inherited a dime let alone a million have a fair bank account because of being a tightwad but if it wasn't for my social security I couldn't eat.
You missed a couple of OTHER ways to avoid paying taxes... be extremely wealthy or be a corporation.
Sarah Palin is smarter than Romney in so many ways!! Now you know what Democrats think this year!!
Romney doesn't have a clue when it comes to American society. He thinks middle class is $250,000 and less....
That's about as stupid as a home school boy with an ignorant daddy that thinks the world is flat"!
He should have actually attended school instead of B.S'ing his way to a degree that may or MAY NOT BE REAL!
He's as dumb as a box of rocks! LOSE ROMNEY, YOU"RE NOTHING TO US!!
It's for Romney time to Man-Up and show his 2 tax reports that he promise; but has presented only 1 tax report so far. So 47% of the population do not pay taxes!?! Just what source did that stat come from inside the G.O.P.? What a bunch of political G.O.P. B.S. And to think that I as a middle class American pay far more taxes than Mitt. Every time anyone buys something, they pay tax at the register regardless of their socioeconomic classification.
This is not the first time that the arrogant, insulting elite, "Mitt The Twit", has taken a slap at the middle class and poor voters. The previous slap was about not caring for those 2 classifications in regards to health care.
He requested the Leaker of the secret videotaping to announce himself. I just wish the Leaker would show Mitt's tax returns, since Mitt has refused to show more than just one report. Even the Obama have shown a minimum of 4 tax reports for just himself.
When Romney says that he doesn't care about the 47%, who don't pay taxes; nor does he care about the middle or poor with regards to health care, then pray tell just how is he going to help all the Americans (esp. those put out of work during the Great Double Dip Recession (caused by Romney and the corruptible Corporate Elite on Wall Street) as he so proclaims in this video???? He is the MOST INSULTING J.A. to those living in the U.S. And the Twitt was just as insulting on the first, two of his 3 visits overseas. Talk about a big mouth that could create multiple wars because he shoots first and aims later. This is no way for any President to behave at home or abroad. We don't need someone like him creating multiply wars, because he just can't refrain from being a civilized human being with sincere concerns for all classes of people. The best thing the G.O.P. can do for this arrogant schmuck, is to supply him several rolls of duct tape to help him keep from placing both of his dirty feet in his big trap.
Good gravy, do all the Republican Politicians have such an UGLY PERSONALITY as this flaming schmuck? His latest behavior has just shown me to vote a straight ticket for the Democrats. His main objective is not only to put the poor out of work by sending jobs overseas (as done in the past by him); but also to eliminate their health care, to put the poor out into the streets, and to act as the "Death Panel" deciding, who gets medical treatment. And to think he calls himself a caring born again practicing Christian?!? I don't think so!!!!
Just remember when going to the polls in Nov. that "Mitt the Twit" could care less about anyone not in his birth born 1% class. Vote a straight ticket for Democrats!!!!
@ Independent Thinker: I actually pictured Mitt Romney as a flaming schmuck!! I see it now, you're right, he is a huge flaming schmuck! The flames that is, he is actually nebulous, but still huge for flames as a schmuck!
Mitt Romney DOES NOT CARE, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO AND HE THINKS THAT'S OKAY! THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T CARE IN 2000, when the economy started to sink. In 2004, when the economy became completely erratic, and in 2007 when the economy went "TIT'S UP!".. SORRY, but that's the term for the worst economic failure in history aside from the GREAT DEPRESSION!
The Republicans didn't care, and they don't care ESPECIALLY NOW!
Dave Simpson - What I found most disturbing was the forcefulness in his voice - he was talking to his peers and he was in his element
Never swaying knowing full well what his thoughts were and he was speaking impromptu - he had no problems dismissing people not of his ilk
This is a man who has no conscience - no empathy - but one goal in life to sit in the oval office and the United States be damned
The man behind the curtain has finally come out - and thinking people should run like hell
Since the G.O.P. can't rely solely on the 1% to elect Romney, they have to pass laws enforcing "Voter Suppression", which the Federal Courts are over turning, esp. in FL where only 1 fraudulent vote was found. All that time and money wasted for just one fraud vote that came from a Canadian. And they call themselves a fiscally responsible Party??? LOL!!!!!!
I agree Barbara, Romney has no conscience and he's socio-pathic.. It's all about him, his family and nobody else!
It's a shame that people can't see him for who he really is. Romey is a sick candidate. VOTE OBAMA!!
you guys never let the facts get in the way of a good lie. Husseins administration (holder) is filing all the suits against the states so he can get his fraud going. He is also the ones suing the states that aren't already on his list. Hussein is the lyin sack of $hit, where are your free money records hussein and how about that passport that shows you were not born here and how about the real birth cert, your own counsel said was false. Also the last fraudulent vote was by the democratic congresswoman, voting in two states. Like I said don't let the facts get in the way there baghdad bob
@IPCMFG The birther @!$%# is dead, give it up. As far as the voter ID rules, voter ID's will not stop someone from voting in several states. What these laws are for is to stop something that has happened 10 times in the entire country since 2000. In essence they have been a huge waste of time and money on the part of the republicans to suppress the vote.
IPCMFG: The fact you use the his middle name because of the negative that it's an arab name and spew lunatic conspriacy theory nonsense just proves you're a hate filled racist who'd take the devil over a saint as long as the skin color suits you.
Wow, didn't Romney look at a deer in a cars headlight, not to mention all his stuttering, in his non apology.
And his explanation of his foot in the mouth, statements, was "I didn't speak elegantly"'
I think we all know how we should speak, but I've rarely heard of Elegantly speech.
Trouble is, he was caught red handed, or Should I say, how he really thinks about most of this nations people. Those workers, retirees, part time workers, and those on minimum wages, that the Repulican's constantly fought againt raising. They weren't raised, until the Democrats where back in charge.
This isn't the first time, he's said these sorts of statement, assuming he was taking privately to his billionaire backers. As this is an hour tape, there is more to come out. And just as damaging.
Why anyone, would vote for him and especialy against their own interests is beyond my ken.
Can you imagine him, negotionating with some Foreign Ambassador, and utter this kind of stupidity.
Vote DEMOCRATIC, Let's clear the house and senate, of these TeaParty obstructionists.
I'd be stunned, but it's Mitt. I know my idea for a bumper sticker would work for Democrats or Republicans (0=when One does nothing) (ZERO=when 1 does NOTHING!). I don't hate Republicans, and I don't guess I hate Mitt - I love his immortal soul, but I hate his way of 'doing'. My vote doesn't matter anyway, I live in Texas - but I'll vote anyway (always do), just in case there's a chance to flip it heh heh.
Barbra Adams Jackson .............
Ma'am I could not agree more. This video is probably the first time I can recall him speaking with real conviction. No awkward fumbling. He certainly didn"t seem to be pandering. I feel this demonstrates his true colors. Sadly he is at his best when he is at his worst.
It would be nice to reply to every Democrat's comment.
Even the fakers who claim to be Republicans.
Obama* will cut SSD.
dhfs.wisconsin.gov/medicaid1/recpubs/erp/phc13032.htm Medicaid Estate Recovery Program. read it is your state's dhfs website. Joe Biden(D) Diane Feinstein(D) and passed into law by Bill Clinton (D) 1996
LOL! Birther.
I can't believe Romney weighed in on NOT paying taxes. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! So, does he include himself in the 47%? What of his masters? Whatever...Hey, did you see the one where Romney blames the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to China on Obama? That was a LOL moment for me! I'm telling you, you just can't make this stuff up...well...I guess you can.
And the point is???????? Since when did it become wrong to talk about serious problems facing this Nation ans it's Citizens? WE ARE becoming a Nanny State, God forbid you do well or you'll be condemned. The Government is now involved in EVERY aspect of our lives and the Democrats and Liberals plus the Paid for Media are trying to convince US this is "The Norm" and if they continue to tell us how much better things are maybe just maybe we'll start to believe it. If we keep going down this road we will become a Dictator State . Romney and Ryan speaks the Truth and we can choose to either continue down this path for another four years or choose to Elect someone else. We know how this past four years have gone or take a chance on someone new. IT CAN'T GET ANY WORSE!!!!!
This is a monster screwup... huge...
not only is it very dumb to insult the entire democratic party be inferring they ALL are lazy, welfare loafers... it points out that he is very far right trying to win independents and failing at it....
this will likely cost him the election....
So how many retired Republicans realize he was talking about THEM???
rkaralius, it's always structured as an "Us against Them" proposition. It is freaky to observe, but it happens that some people who attach to certain "us" groups wind up being part of "them" without realizing it.
I just loved the Thurston Howell lll angle, the original title song listed the professor and Mary-Ann as "the rest".
You are presumably a woman given your handle and avatar.
Are you OK with the government telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body? Are you OK with the government telling you who you can marry? Are you OK with the bible dictating the former and latter?
Those arent liberals who are trying to insert the government into our lives.
Mike416, yes I am a woman and yes I am a Christian if that is what you are getting at. The job of the Government is not to be intrusive, this Country was founded on our God given Rights not the Governments. We are not owed anything we work for what we get. Isn't the reason people want to come to this Country is the ability in live in Peace and Work to achieve success without the Government controlling your every move?? Unless we stop drinking the Obama kool-aid and pay attention to whats going on with another four years of the REAL OBAMA this Country WILL be lost. WE need a change now!
I'd like to hear President Clinton respond to Romney's comments.
We were ALL doing just fine, until Republicans lied us into war and robbed us blind!
HE, MITT ROMNEY, IS THE ONE WHO DOESN'T PAY ANY FREAKING TAXES!!!
I pay tons, and tons, and tons of money in taxes and in Romney's stump speeches, I'M THE ONE HE'S TARGETING FOR MORE TAX HIKES!
Now, tell us, WHO is the "divider"? Mitt Freaking Romney! Dividing the rich from the middle class and labeling it "JUSTICE".
You suck Mitt Romney!
I'm not a Romney supporter but I do agree with him somewhat. I just bought an apartment in Manhattan and it sickens me that a block away, there are housing projects where the people living there pay for absolutely nothing. I see them hanging out in front of their building, at the basketball courts across the street and in the park. GET A F'ING JOB!!!! Why do I have to pay taxes and mortgage and these a$$holes get to live for free in the same neighborhood?
I won't be voting for Romney but if he wins, I hope he kicks their poor asses out of the city. They shouldn't live where they can't afford. Get the F out!!!!
Janie, you claiming to be a "Christian" doesn't make you appear any more intelligent. This country was NOT founded on our "God given rights". Might I suggest a History lesson or two. Clearly you have never had one.
There are many of us who pay close to a third of our income in taxes to federal, state, and local governments. Mitt Romney paid 13.9% on his 20 million plus income in 2010. And he chooses to criticize those who feel a sense of entitlement. He is at the top of the list of those who feel a sense of entitlement. He feels entitled to all those tax cuts of trickle down economics that enriched the top 1% from earning 10% of our nation's income in 1980 to a 24% share today. That's a 240% increase in his income while the 99% saw a 15% cut in their share of income.
Trickle down is a scam perpetrated by the rich on America. And Romney is their leading scam artist.
@@JanieAckerly so, you are a woman but are perfectly ok with the government dictating childbirth? Uh ok. Marriage too? ok. You say you are a christian but think that people that are ill, old, or disabled are "leeches". I work for what I have. I have a professional job but after my home mortgage deduction, and I do have a child whose father died then I don't pay any income taxes. I guess my son is a "leech" too because we receive ss survivor benefits. I guess Paul Ryan was a leech too right? I guess my dad who worked for 40 years as a pipefitter welder doesn't deserve his ss either? Give me a break. You're far from Christian. Jesus never asked for a co-pay, he never asked to means test the poor to make sure they were actually poor enough to receive benefits. Jesus never asked returning military veterans to prove they are worthy of care. You have a twisted way of looking at Christianity. In America we help each other. I am working poor (make under $35K a year) but I donate plenty to charity because I know that there are some that have less. I wish I could get a better job however since Wall St. crashed many older people can't retire so advancement doesn't happen. Get a grip on reality.
I said from day one that RobMeHood was a Dirtbag, I don't need no tape to know what the RobMe's are all about, this losers campaign is finish !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Janie: "The job of the Government is not to be intrusive,"
SERIOUSLY?!!!! I AGREE!
So tell the government to get out of our bedrooms--telling us what we can do with our bodies and who we can love and marry! Hypocrites!
Dave Simpson:
You say a lot inflammatory things, but you don't actually say anything intelligent or useful, it's all Ad Hominem attack.
Do you have anything intelligent that you'd like to add to the conversation or should we just write you off as a fool?
I know an organ grinder who is looking for help. I can give you his email address if you'd like? It's easy work; you just have to hold a tin cup and wear a round hat.
my new grampa:
Can you give the readers a synopsis of what you think Mr. Romney said?
I'm asking you to do this, because based on your remarks, I'm convinced that you don't know what he said, or even what he meant.
Janie Ackerly: You profess to be a Christian? Mitt Romney is a member of an Anti-Christian cult. They didn't just add a few words to your sacred book ... they added a WHOLE ADDENDUM! You, as a Christian, should be steaming mad and downright fearful of having someone trying to get into the White House who holds such disdain for your chosen faith. Proverbs 30:6 says, "Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar."
It appears, good Janie, that God is keeping His word. Mitt Romney holds beliefs that are as far from the teachings of Christ as the north pole is from the south. Peace, love, charity for ALL people, selflessness, honesty, compassion, forgiveness ... were THESE not the teachings of Jesus Christ? What would He say to Mitt Romney right now? What should you, as a Christian, say to Mitt Romney right now? How could ANY Christian POSSIBLY believe that the ideals held by Mitt Romney and the teachings of Jesus Christ are, in any way, compatible?
D. Appel: Get over yourself.
Arkius:
What's your problem? Janie professes to be a devout Christian. I'm simply trying to figure out how she can justify her faith while supporting someone like Romney.
I'm not preaching here, just trying to determine if she's really what she says she is or if, like so many who profess to be Christians, she is simply following blindly behind the teachings of some narrow-minded preacher.
I have found that, usually, they are just people who desperately need to have control over everyone and everything, and they need others to have control over them, because they are so fearful of what they would do if they exercised their own free will. They are frightened of the choices they would make if they weren't even more frightened of burning in hell should they make the wrong choice.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to come to her defense.
My question to Janie stands, how can she justify supporting someone like Romney?
Appel, here's the problem. Who the hell are you to question any body's faith?
And yes you are preaching here. You don't have any right to ask Janie or any one else to justify their faith so you can make a political point.
Don't you have any sense of shame? Don't you have any sense of right and wrong? I am challenging you, because you're acting like a total jerk on behalf of a man who would tell you to your face that you're way out of line.
Like most Socialists, you just don't know when to quit. Janie doesn't owe you or anyone else an explanation of her faith. Furthermore, you haven't proven your case sufficiently to warrant anything but ridicule and scorn.
Until you provide verifiable, concrete evidence to support your argument, then it is only your subjective opinion that "Mitt Romney is a member of an Anti-Christian cult."
Finally, you seem to have some serious reading comprehension issues. The article is about a secret video taken of Mitt Romney making some off the cuff remarks. It is not about his religion.
If you have any questions for Janie about the article then ask her, otherwise, take a hike. You are an ill mannered, socialist pig.
Hey, tone it down! This is a public forum. You're not talking to your mother, you know.
No, I wouldn't talk to my mother that way, but I did talk to YOUR mother that way, and she'd like it.
From what Dave Simpson tells us, your mom liked a lot of rough things.
I bet you wow the other kids in middle school, don't you, Arkius? Although the A students probably tend to look down on you.
I'll bet the other communist kids at the Stalin Youth Camp were constantly picking on you, comrade. After all, you are a little effeminate.
What you don't deny is that I talked dirty to your mother and she like it. Is that what turned you into a flaming sissy?
I can get the best of you with high school insults all day long; however, when you decide that you what to talk about something more substantial, then I'll be happy to expose your weak, intellectual side.
Have a good day, Nancy.
Shelly,
The Declaration of Independence - ushistory.org
MtGirl, I said nothing about what you are saying, you have a Right to abort a child if you wish, you are working now for your child to be able to live after retirement just as your parents did for you and as I did for 40 years. My husband served in Vietnam for 3 years for our Country. I help everyone I can, because I want to not because the Government Tells me to. My husband and I live off Social Security, the very same that won't be here if something isn't done to fix it.
Maxell, I didn't say you couldn't do whatever you want with your body, paint it blue I don't care!!
D Appel, We have Obama in there now and look who his Pastor and mentor was REV. WRIGHT, remember "God Damm America" we have freedom of Religion in this Country to believe what you want, It's between YOU and YOUR GOD.
"There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."
This, from a man who got $70,000 Government tax break last year for his pet horse.
And how exactly does one state elegantly that he can't stand most Americans? It can't be done.
And we must remember the business he was in. He never cared about working people or those who lost their jobs through no fault of their own.
The guy never ran a business. He swooped in and swooped out. Making millions in the meantime. He didn't build anything, never had to meet a payroll.
I'll never forgot the company that was told to build a stage and then the Bain folks came in, stood on the stage and then told them they were losing their jobs.
No worries Mitt. We can't stand you either.
Pat, and by the way his running mate had one job, one job before he entered the House. And that was driving a wienermobile!! Neither of them has any credibilty and these foot-in- mouth statements really show the disconnection.
I can hardly believe what we are seeing right now. Seems the right has so many lies working out there that they are really coming home to roost,,,as do all lies eventually.
A tax break allowed by law. Are you to stupid to take advantage of tax breaks?
Oh, but Fox person, if we who don't make so much that we do end up paying a wad of taxes take advantage of legal tax breaks we will be called names for not paying taxes. It's only if you are really rich and don't pay taxes that it would be considered being a good business person. Wonder why that is? Interesting it's cool Romney pays the least amount that is legal, but if I do it and end up not paying the same tax he isn't paying that makes me what?
Interesting...
Keep this NUMBER FOUR THREAD going, because it truly reveals the CHARACTER DEFECTS,
CHARACTER SHORTCOMINGS, and total LACK of CHARACTER in MITT ROMNEY's HEART.
If illegaly and imorally and unmanly "RETIRING RETROACTIVELY" from BAIN CAPITAL to AVOID FELONLY CHARGES wasn't enough, (anybody else on this Planet Earth who has "Retired RetroActively" to Avoid Felony charges, let me know, ok)
MITT ROMNEY had the GALL to WRITE-OFF his Wife, Queen Anne's Olympic Dressage Show Horse,
for $70,000 by telling his Tax accountant that said horse is Now a "THERAPY HORSE"?
Hello?
That $70,00 Mitt Romney pocketed is More than what Half of Hard-working Middle-class workers Earn.
Is there something wrong with this picture?
It's Not just wrong, it's Sick.
The thudding sound you heard was Mitt's chances of winning in November hitting the pavement. Show's over, folks...nothing to see here.
President Obama in November! He is clearly our only rational choice!
Why no tax returns shown : probably have that horse and probably that dog down as dependents on his tax returns.n You know they are really dependents.
Fox Newser does that make it ethical, or something to brag about, is this someone we would want to represent our country to the World?
I think not !
Obama 2012
Chas why don't you be HONEST. You go for every single tax break you can!!!! I'm a small business person and I damn well take every single deduction under the sun that my tax guy can find!!!!
A $70,000 TAX BREAK?!!! So.... Romney sent in his tax return?!!!! YOU MUST MEAN THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE FLAPPING YOUR JAWS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT ROMNEY HASN'T DONE!!
IS EVERYBODY THIS STUPID IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?!! Or is it just reserved for the idiots that are robots!
Fox newser, how funny you ask another poster if he is "to stupid" It's "TOO" stupid, not "to", stupid!
Don't tell me what Obama is getting on the IRS!!!!!!! I'VE SEEN OBAMA'S RETURNS! I HAVE NOT SEEN ROMNEY'S RETURNS EVEN THOUGH HE SAID WE WOULD HAVE THEM MONTHS AGO!!!
It's time for the Republicans to SHUT UP AND TELL Romney to fork over the American information THAT ALL AMERICANS FILE EACH AND EVERY YEAR!!!
SUCK ON IT romney!!! You are that small and so are your robots!!
I can understand the tax break for the dressage. On your Schedule A, you can deduct medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of your income. You've never heard of therapy, companion or service animals? Really? Google Animal therapy or equine therapy. You might learn something. Then again, don't google. You might learn something.
Having a horse requires renting a stable, feeding, care, equipment, etc. All which requires employees and doing business with companies. So her physical therapy contributes to the economy.
1POV - having raised horses - there is a world of difference between an MS horse - most people have wheelchairs waiting for them - than a Dressage Horse costing upward $700,000 - plus
Plus on his Tax return he listed his horses as a business - where the hell did somebody get a therapy horse is not true - plus his co-owner is listed as Bess Myerson trusted friend and confidante - she too had to claim the same deduction
Plus 1POV - it's just not one horse but seven in their stable
Don't try to defend the indefensable - IRS Statutes state you must show a profit in seven years - knowing Willard - he'll probably torch the stable horses and all
This man has no soul!
But but but ... it was therapy for his wife .. she needs to see a real penis once and while .....
He is willing to call us "free-loaders", and take away every security net that exist.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US FORGET BOUT THE MIDDLE EAST. THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING STUPIDIER THAT THE REPUBLICANS WOULD SAY THAT I THOUGHT I WILL NEVER HEAR.
ALL OF THE TEA PARTY AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE A BUNCH OF ASS**** AND LUNATICS
@ CHAS...
The government is not supporting 47% of Americans! You have taken figures out of context and used them to describe FICTION!!
That's right, in case you aren't educated to understand, fiction is NOT the truth!
Right now, the unemployment rate is under 10%. Thanks to Obama, because with Bush it was over 12%. When a Republican President ruins the economy and everyone becomes unemployed, it's the fault of the REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT IN CHARGE AT THE TIME!
Obama is fixing it. He does not support 47% of the American people that are poor!! That's a lie and it's fiction!
The only reason anyone needs help now is because GW Bush (the Republicans) destroyed the WORLD ECONOMY IN ONLY EIGHT (8) YEARS!! THEY'D LIKE TO CONTINUE AND TRY AGAIN, BUT I SAY, "YOU'RE OUT REPUBLICANS, YOU'RE PIGS, CHEATERS, LIARS, AND SLEEZE FOR MONEY!
I look at your candidate and I laugh whole-heartedly! Romney isn't a man for the people. Romney is a money grubbing pig for the rich and a WAR MONGER! He's an emperialist, just like Japan, just like Hitler, just like the self-absorbed corrput pigs of history!
He can't do anything for our economy and he'll only desire war to procure money in a scam just like Bush and Cheney! Haliburton and the Carlyse Group.. Look them up, especially the Carlyse Group! They got all the Iraq money to rebuild Iraq. It wasn't a Middle East corporation, it was Bush and Cheney's corporation!!
REPUBLICANS ARE PIGS!!!
Hey Screwd and Fox(brown)noser! while you're standing there.. GIMME 30% of your money! and I'll make SURE the IRS gets it! i won't declare bankruptcy! I PROMISE. And hey! while you're at it, there's a range not far from here, go stand in front of Romney while he happily LETS you take the bullets. He's only paying 1%. OF COURSE you should pay MORE! of COURSE he should have SPECIAL EXEMPTIONS. he's your MORMON GOD! Bow Down! Don't EVER think to yourself "gee, shouldn't I have the same rate of tax that Ream Me does? Why that's RIDICULOUS! he's SPECIAL he's ENTITLED! Plug your ears so you don't have to listen to him call you the 47%er! (oh that word sounds EVIL) how WRONG of everyone to pay via PAYROLL instead of having to pay even MORE on the "income" tax forms. a PAYCHECK Isn't INCOME! WHAT HORRIBLE CONSPIRACY it is to consider that as such! Stand there! stand perfectly still, say CHEESE for Ream Me while he takes aim at everything you ever earned and ENSURES that you never see it again!
Unlike Willard we don't have the ability to influence those tax breaks like he does. How many millions has Romney and Bain donated to politicians over his lifetime? What's the chance you could buy an election like Romney where you tell people you're going to cut your 14% tax rate on 20 million income to almost zero and make them believe you're doing it to help the economy? If the top rate is reduced from 35% to 25% and capital gains is eliminated which is most of his income he will pay at or near zero.
Got it. If someone is too poor to pay taxes - they are a pox on society and lazy.
If someone with money uses loopholes to avoid paying taxes - its called being smart.
LOL you people are clowns.
Obama* is still trying to lay blame on Bush even though the last 2 years of the Bush administration had a Democrat Majority in the U.S. Senate and Congress. And the UNemployment rate went down due to people NOT looking for jobs.
It is true that, "Some of The People Can be Fooled All of The Time".They are Democrats.
So many fools 47% Did you know that you would get more money by Working?
You can't buy Toilet Paper with Food Stamps. Lick your fingers after, it is the Obama* recycling plan.
Dear Mitt Romney,
#$@& you and the government subsidized high horse you rode in on!
So... 2000-2006 never happened? ROFL!
Republicans are afraid that if they don't win in November, the great "Hoodrobin" money laundering scam will be lost forever. No longer will they have first crack at all that money in the treasury paid in by the 53%. Their entitlements will be gone, and you will have to earn your share...not steal it by flashing your "Chartered Member of the Fleece America" card.
Romney's campaign slogan is, "You can fool some of the people some of the time...and those are the people I want to speak to!"
I can't afford a horse to get the pet horse tax break.
Look at the whole theme picture the repubs are painting . Right now it is to demonize those who are not paying fed income tax. Day after day they express anger over the situation people are in.
Just what position are they grasping at every day, day after day? More tax breaks for the rich! Holding the country hostage for more tax breaks while causing the nations credit rating to get worse. Romney and Ryan are trying to get rid of the capital gains tax for the rich so they will pay nothing or very little on their tax breaks. Sending money into offshore accounts to avoid and evade paying taxes.
At the same time they express contempt for the very actions they are trying to complete themselves! It is not okay for other people to be in the position they are in where they have no income to pay fed income tax......Romney/Ryan and republicons are trying to get into that same position they are complaining about!!!!
I'd like to hear President Clinton respond to Romney's comments.
We were ALL doing just fine, until Republicans lied us into war and robbed us blind!
HE, MITT ROMNEY, IS THE ONE WHO DOESN'T PAY ANY FREAKING TAXES!!!
I pay tons, and tons, and tons of money in taxes and in Romney's stump speeches, I'M THE ONE HE'S TARGETING FOR MORE TAX HIKES!
Now, tell us, WHO is the "divider"? Mitt Freaking Romney! Dividing the rich from the middle class and labeling it "JUSTICE".
You suck Mitt Romney!
One more point about the horse thing, sure you could pass it off as a deduction, but he can easily afford it not to be a deduction, so why take it? Show the American people that you are a team player and that you realize that taking a deduction off of your taxes for the horse makes it harder for our country to pay the military and other things that are American. If Romney would just seem like more of a team player he could be winning this thing. What is wrong with trying, at least, to seem like you care about all of America?
Face it, he is toast.
Romney and his rich buddies have a sense of entitlement. They believe they are entitled to all those tax cuts they've gotten the past 30 years which were completely paid for by running up our national debt. They did not mind this since they earned interest on the money our government gave them (in tax cuts) when they loaned the money back to the government to pay for the tax cuts.
Trickle down is a fraud. It never delivered on its promise of increased revenues from growth that was supposed to offset the lost revenue from the tax cuts. That they continue to promote tax cuts for themselves is evidence that they feel they are entitled to this government help. Because it is proven that trickle down does not help the middle class. It only helps the Rich.
Romney's economic policy is a scam of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.
starsailing, have you ever had an original thought, or does the party do all your thinking for you?
Pat Boston MA.
What sort of demented pleasure do you get out of distorting the truth? You beg the question. There is not one sentence in the released video where Romney says he can’t stand most Americans, he doesn’t even imply it. I have to wonder why you have to resort to outright lies to support your candidate. Your behavior is disgusting. It seems that every time you have something to say on these boards, it is either an outright lie or it is a distortion of the truth.
You wrote: “He never cared about working people or those who lost their jobs through no fault of their own.” Again, you beg the question. You have no proof that Mitt Romney doesn’t care about working people or that he doesn’t care about people who lost their jobs. You have no verifiable, concrete evidence to support that claim. You are a despicable liar, and a socialist shill.
You wrote: “The guy never ran a business. He swooped in and swooped out. Making millions in the meantime. He didn't build anything, never had to meet a payroll.” You seem bent on displaying your ignorance to everyone who’ll read it. He owned and operated Bain Capital; it is a business with employees that he had to pay. Why do you need to rely on circular thinking to support your ideas?
You lie intentionally, and then you accuse Mr. Romney of not living up to your lie. His business is not meant to build or manufacture anything. His business is to finance the people who have the expertise to build and manufacture. Why is it so difficult for you and the other socialist liars to wrap your brains around something as simple as investing money in businesses as a business? You make yourselves sound just as ignorant of the workings of the business world as the man you are supporting for president. The same man who promised the American people shovel ready jobs, and gave them empty rhetoric instead.
You wrote: “I'll never forgot the company that was told to build a stage and then the Bain folks came in, stood on the stage and then told them they were losing their jobs.” Please explain the details of that situation so that I can make you eat your words in front of the readers.
You are a contemptible liar, and your behavior is disgraceful. You should be ashamed of yourself.
forrest,
His etch a sketch is stuck !
BTW, How is the new job going?
Romney is a breath of fresh air. Unlike Obama, he is not afraid to tell it like it is.
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," he says. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them." And they're hopeless. "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Got that? Romney is conflating the people who pay no net income tax with the people so dependent on government aid that they have to vote for Obama. But these aren't the same people! Most of the "lucky duckies," to use the classic WSJ term, are old people who subsist on Social Security. Elderly voters broke big for Republicans in 2010. Scores of poor whites who benefit from the Earned Income Tax Credit vote for Republicans.
So Romney's conflating two concepts. One is that people who pay no net income taxes don't understand the "cost" of government. The other is that the socialist Democrats are voting themselves back into power by creating a poorer, more dependent electorate -- one that gets by on food stamps and unearned welfare checks. This is Tea Party rhetoric churned into something new and stupid."
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/09/17/mitt_romney_47_gaffe_what_was_he_trying_to_say_.html
And how is that, ChasSD? Retirees and college students are not taking personal responsibility? How about people making minimum wage, sometimes at two jobs? Is that how it is? You understand nothing.
Romney sticks his foot in his mouth every time he opens it!!
He told it how it is in the hearts and minds of the Republican world. Funny how he cares more about appeasing his donors than 47% of Americans who are struggling. Tell me please...who WANTS to live in abject poverty? Who wants to be forced to take government assistance to feed their families? Do you heartless people actually believe welfare and food stamps is some kind of huge secret party the poor are having behind your backs? It is a huge lie. People want jobs that they can support their families by working. There will always be unemployable people, the disabled, the children and old Americans that cannot live without some assistance. But we all know the "Republican Jesus" would let them all starve and die. SHAME, I hope every last heartless, conniving Republican loses his or her job in November. See how the 47% "other half" lives for once before you cast your stones.
If he's so willing to tell it like it is, then why won't he show his tax returns? Why won't he give specifics?
VoMitt doesn't care about have the country and steals from the Treasury with his off shore money laundering schemes
Sounds LIKE A TRAITOR AND THIEF to me
If Mitt is fresh air, my Turkey Chile with extra beans, onions and garlic won't make you fart.
Mitt Romney is the dumbest person I've ever come across that is running for President..
He is a loner when it comes to Americans and Foreigners! He puts his foot in his mouth first and then chews on it before he puts his other foot in his mouth and chews on it... and then he decides he won't show his income taxes to American LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD!!! LIAR!
Dave Simpson - I saw that tape three times - Willard was in full throat - not like the insipid smile and the He He He - he portrays in front of the 47%
His disdain for his fellow Americans was evident - plus Ann Romney was channeling him when she said "you people"
The bully of Willard at 16 and at 19 came through
OK why the White House - he doesn't give a dam about you or I - my thought is because his beloved Ann
wants to be the Grand Dam - and it's the "golden ring"
So all of you misinformed Obama haters vote for him - but the saying goes - "Be careful what you wish for" may I add my thought because it will bite you in the ass
Romney is a breath of fresh air???! So was Hitler!!! And Hitler didn't lie, he actually wrote a book about his desire to kill off other civilizations and install his own!
Romney doesn't do that, except he considers 47% of America to be pigs and THE PROBLEM!
Anybody that stupid (Romney) should be in shackles and behind bars!!
Well done Mitt! You're an IDIOT JUST WAITING TO HAPPEN! SUCCESS!!
Ignorance, manipulations, and greed are bliss to the G.O.P. and Romney!!!!
It's for Romney time to Man-Up and show his 2 tax reports that he promise; but has presented only 1 tax report so far. So 47% of the population do not pay taxes!?! Just what source did that stat come from inside the G.O.P.? What a bunch of political G.O.P. B.S. And to think that I as a middle class American pay far more taxes than Mitt. Every time anyone buys something, they pay tax at the register regardless of their socioeconomic classification.
This is not the first time that the arrogant, insulting elite, "Mitt The Twit", has taken a slap at the middle class and poor voters. The previous slap was about not caring for those 2 classifications in regards to health care.
He requested the Leaker of the secret videotaping to announce himself. I just wish the Leaker would show Mitt's tax returns, since Mitt has refused to show more than just one report. Even the Obama have shown a minimum of 4 tax reports for just himself.
When Romney says that he doesn't care about the 47%, who don't pay taxes; nor does he care about the middle or poor with regards to health care, then pray tell just how is he going to help all the Americans (esp. those put out of work during the Great Double Dip Recession (caused by Romney and the corruptible Corporate Elite on Wall Street) as he so proclaims in this video???? He is the MOST INSULTING J.A. to those living in the U.S. And the Twitt was just as insulting on the first, two of his 3 visits overseas. Talk about a big mouth that could create multiple wars because he shoots first and aims later. This is no way for any President to behave at home or abroad. We don't need someone like him creating multiply wars, because he just can't refrain from being a civilized human being with sincere concerns for all classes of people. The best thing the G.O.P. can do for this arrogant schmuck, is to supply him several rolls of duct tape to help him keep from placing both of his dirty feet in his big trap.
Good gravy, do all the Republican Politicians have such an UGLY PERSONALITY as this flaming schmuck? His latest behavior has just shown me to vote a straight ticket for the Democrats. His main objective is not only to put the poor out of work by sending jobs overseas (as done in the past by him); but also to eliminate their health care, to put the poor out into the streets, and to act as the "Death Panel" deciding, who gets medical treatment. And to think he calls himself a caring born again practicing Christian?!? I don't think so!!!!
Just remember when going to the polls in Nov. that "Mitt the Twit" could care less about anyone not in his birth born 1% class. Vote a straight ticket for Democrats!!!!
Romney is a breath of STALE AIR! He has nothing new to say, he decided to try and pick apart a President that has successfully fixed the economy and saved the world economy.
Romney tries to pick on anything, but his foot in mouth travels to Europe and abroad left him looking STUPID!
And that's who he is! He's stupid! He can't get out of his own way because he's already laid tracks that say he shouldn't cross them now! He's a liar, a fraud and a greedy pig! He has no solution and instead he hopes the religious right will buy him the election with ignorant adds aimed at the religious right!
Breath of fresh air, is that what you call rhino farts ?
I am astounded that this man has any credibility at all, I can understand the frustration people have in this troubled economy but fail to understand how they can believe Romney is the answer, he represents the heart and soul of the problem.
While he plays his number game, he fails to convince me that he associates those numbers as real people with real lives. He, and some posters on this board vilify the old and poor, treating us as if we were inconsequential, that we really have no say because, at least in my case, being disabled and retired, I have lost my value to society and now represent an encumbrance, never mind the fact that I paid taxes and held a job, at times two jobs, and always paid my fair share. For him to deem me as a drain on society because I draw my social security is offensive. That is my money that I paid for over fifty years into a federal trust fund. Now that fund has been depleted and its solvency threatened, I am not entitled to claim what is rightfully mine?
I am supporting President Obama in spite of the fact that I do not agree with all of his policies. Those would be policies related to foreign affairs. I do not believe we should continue to support efforts in Afghanistan, my belief is that there is no way for the US to ever win there. Many different nations have tried for different reasons to have an influence in that part of the world and all have failed. We should not continue to throw our resources into a failed endeavor.
As far as President Obama and his domestic policies are concerned, I support him fully. That does not mean there is not room for improvement, because I believe that policies should be flexible enough to change where changes are needed. That would require a government that works together for the common good. The republican obstruction, even against policy they once embraced, is obvious and can only lead one to conclude they have ulterior motives.
I do believe that deficit spending has far exceeded its limits. I am convinced beyond any doubt that getting the spending under control should be the first priority. Tax reductions for the wealthy does not fit into that picture, how many trillions of dollars would that add to our national debt. Advocates of the trickle down policies must be blind, these policies have got to be the largest contributor to our debt. Add to that the fact that we have all been trickled on enough. Corporations are making record profits, if they can not afford to invest back into American society, it would be stupid for us to keep giving them more money.
Deregulation is also a huge joke. The greed of big corporations has to be bound, they are incapable of policing themselves, anyone who thinks otherwise is simply not thinking and looking without seeing.
You can all exercise your freedom to choose what you feel is right, I know I will. I just pray that what ever comes to pass will be constructive and for the benefit of all Americans, not just the wealthy, those folks are managing just fine and I do not see anything to indicate they have been suffering or will suffer.
Anne Romney looks down her nose and calls us "you people", she has shown us her true colors no matter what comes out of her mouth. This exemplifies her arrogance and her true concern for the common man (which is none at all). She cares more for her therapy horse than for her neighbors.
Our First Lady is much more connected to the common man and especially the difficulties that our military families face. She has my admiration and respect.
Voice in my head.... That was brilliant! You'll be the voice in my head for a while! Keep it up!
This one is EASY. First, we blame the (GAG) LIBERALS for the way things are "today" THEN we come in and say <dusting off our hands for a hard day's work coming up> "we're going to have to make that 47% TAKE CARE oF THEMSELVES! THEN! once you've MASTERFULLY bought out every possible vote to EKE by in the presidential race, why in 4 years? when you're up for election? You say "I went out there, I talked to them, I taught them, I did their work FOR them so they could SEE how it was done, but those 47%ers, they did NOT want to work, EVER.. EVEN when I cut off ALL of their benefits! THOSE HORRIBLE LIBS they laid there in the streets PRETENDING they were DEAD! HOW DARE THEY! Elect me! I will punish them for dying in OUR golden streets! Horrible liberal 47%, its ALL their fault, <then we look to the IRS and say> GO, find every dead man, TAX HIM, I shall pay NO taxes this year! I AM YOUR PRESIDENT! Tax the dead and the lowly, take the loaves of bread from their tables! this is right, this is merciful! I AM THE MORMON GOD!
Why is everyone listing false facts about 47% not working in the USA?!!
Romney may have spit on 47%, but his figures are ignorant anyway!! We don't have 47% unemployed or collecting unemployment or on welfare of anything else!!
Romney says something stupid about 47% of us, and the comments take off at 47% of people that don't work???????????? That's stupidity, just like Mitt Romney, but don't list false facts! Mitt is viewed as ignorant by 47% of the USA, but that doesn't mean he's right!
Romney considers anyone not paying income taxes a leech. Seniors, working poor and 1 legged ex marines it doesn't matter. It's the same class warfare card he's been playing since he began running. Trying to make it appear that it isn't low taxes or loopholes on people like him that cause our problems it's the old people living on an $800 social security check who pay no taxes that are. The fact that according to Forbes the 400 richest Americans have a combined net worth that exceeds the bottom 60% of the population or 185 million people. Romney wants us to believe raising taxes on those bottom 60% makes more sense than raising his 14% rate.
Except... its not how it is.
I will vote for Obama and Ive had a job since I was 12 - paid into SS since I was 14 and have worked my entire life. I paid my way through college and am still steadily employed. Never received any form of government hand out.
Looks like Romney just distanced himself from a lot of voters if you ask me. How it makes sense to insult half of the population is beyond me. Something tells me true independents will look at his statement and line up to vote Obama. Good job.
You paid posters are so comunistic. "hitler" ? you got him in Joe "Gun Ban" Biden. He has a bigger mouth from having both feet in it for so long.
Remember, "It is not a tax" when it is put on your Tax Bill. Even though you may already have healthcare insurance. The IRS is so slow at making corrections, it is a historic fact. Oh, and "if you have a business, you did not do that, Someone else made that happen". so Romney did not do that, if you believe Obama*
"Let's just pass the law and fix it later" (Pelosi,Biden,Reid,Obama*)
Romney did release 2 years of his tax returns so shut up! Obama* had Senate tax returns in which he voted "Present" and did nothing for the money he was paid.
Obama* is a world record contender for the best LIAR. Obama* has his law license revoked, and his college transcripts will prove that he was involved in the Harvard Cheating Scandle.
Headline Nov. 7th. Obama wins. Romney wonders what happened, or plays a blame game. Everyone except him will be at fault. He might even blame George W. Bush.