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We should all support President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as they deal with this nightmare in the mideast, and mourn the loss of four Americans at the Libyan embassy.
Romney lives in an alternate Universe...on a distant plane from reality, it seems.
All the privilege has gone to your head, when you can't relate to the tremendous upheaval that has gone on in the Middle East. Egyptians are pro-America, but the military factions of all kinds are still there making mischief.
The trouble there was a reponse to a terrible islamaphobic video. Nothing to do with this Administration, or the United States President.
But during an ordeal for so many, Mitt Romney can only think of his own hide. Epic, epic Fail.
We had an Arab spring, welcome to the Arab winter.
Note that the Muslim brotherhood is calling for the march and protest today against Obama's America. Note that it is against AMERICAS clown not the clown who produced the film.
That's the group that was sending us condolences on one hand and with the other hand are stoking the flames.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/opinion/our-condolences-the-muslim-brotherhood-says.html
It's also the same group the right was fuming about a few months ago while the administration was dismissing their objections that they were a fundamentalist group. Looks like the right was right...again!
Whether or not you support Israel, they have been an ally for the better part of a century. Now the administration invites the Muslim Brotherhood president of Egypt to meet with him while dismissing Netanyahu last week as being "too busy".
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-rejects-meeting-with-netanyahu-but-invites-muslim-brotherhood
I'm sorry Mr. Poser as a President, I don't get it and neither does America. It's the strangest most bazaar foreign policy since Lord Chamberlain's appeasement policy.
Amy B. Portland, ME
We should all support President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as they deal with this nightmare in the mideast
A nightmare they created. Obama built that! He's the one that has encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood and we support them by giving them Billions of dollars each year.
Obama seems to be under the belief that radical Muslims want to be our friends. How well is that working? Liberals will believe everything Obama says and support him even if he's the one causing the problems.
How well is that diplomacy liberals so strongly tout Obama for working out? Seems the middle east has a differing opinion of the US than liberals. Well actually it's pretty much the same... Liberals hate this country too.
The Middle East is being supported through a transition towards greater freedom and security.
It will not happen in the time it takes for GOP/Adelson to show another lying TV ad.
You are watching too many cartoons.
I'll say it certainly has been an out of sight week for the Professional Clown "MYTH" Romney. I can hardly wait for the Romney theater to be over. In the past few days this the Professional Clown has been pathetic.
Etch-a-Sketch moment Shake, Shake, Shake! Oh Crap
https://www.nytexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Romney-Etch-a-Sketch.jpg
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Brian,
[Obama built that! He's the one that has encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood … ]
Our President did NOT encourage the Muslim Brotherhood … he, his administration and our country encouraged Democracy, free elections.
BrianB, what kind of boat is that?
Question: What is the difference between Muslim right-wing freaks, and American right-wing freaks (of which Harley Chic is a member)?
Answer: Nothing. They both hate Obama!!
BrianB doesn't get logic. Hence why he needs to threaten other posters and re-register to troll these boards.
Not sure the kind, but it is named the USS Romney and is sinking fast.
Harley gets her opinions from right wing hack Anthony Martin.
www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/anthony-martin
I stand corrected - it is a ship of fools.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio said:
Brian,
[Obama built that! He's the one that has encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood … ]
Our President did NOT encourage the Muslim Brotherhood … he, his administration and our country encouraged Democracy, free elections.
I disagree. It is a smokescreen he was passing along to the American public. Not all America has fallen for it. Of course Obama's supporters believe everything he says and does... Those of us with a more skeptical view, first question, then formulate our belief on his actions. Liberals can't see it because they have some sort of admiration for Obama that they can't get past. I have my theories on why liberals put so much faith in Obama, but that's a discussion for another day.
Dennis, if our intelligence is doing their job, they should have seen this coming from a mile away. Who dropped the ball on this one? Why are 4 of our diplomatic corps dead? How come no outrage about that? All you can do is sit here and praise Obama for the fine job he's doing... well WAKE up! He's not doing a fine job. The middle east is erupting in more anti-America violence... Jimmy Carter II.
Anyone in the mood for a shopping spree this at Lord Chamberlain's appeasement palace?
The american flag is burnt by protesters in front of embassy in London #protest pic.twitter.com/IfTIj735
And you left-wing morons think Muslim immigration is not a threat to the West? Puhleaseee!
You liberals are something else. You don't view what's happening in any light of truth. You rather view it as something the right wing is doing because it makes you feel all comfortable inside. Well let's tear this down a bit. First question... who's running this country? That makes who responsible for it? Ohhhh it's Obama... and somehow he let the intelligence slip on the murder of 4 of our diplomatic corps. Liberals will defend him anyway... but let it be Bush, or some other republican and how harsh will the comments be for that individual... giving Obama a pass at every turn.
I hear absolutely NO outrage at the murder of our people... All I hear is Obama apologists working their hardest to make excuses for Obama. Well, the shoe is on the other foot now... Obama is in charge and nothing from the left about the unrest in the middle east where they are chanting once again... "Death to America!!!" How long before they hold our people hostages again... or kill them outright? Jimmy Carter II.
So Harley Chick, you no doubt you support the immediate round-up and internment of all American citizens that have converted to Islam. Common sweetie - keep spouting your backwoods fear and loathing.
Then you are simply deaf. Everyone is outraged at the murder of fellow American's, and we laud the effort of the Libyan government to capture and prosecute the perpetrators of those murders.
That is where progressives separate themselves from the right-wing freaks that want to rush into Libya and murder and kill every single Libyan in retaliation.
Note to sane conservatives - please do not misconstrue my right-wing freak label to include you in that group.
Harley Chic -
Here are some other pictures you might want to look at:
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/libyans-denounce-acts-of-terrorism-slideshow/demonstration-against-killing-u-ambassador-destruction-burning-u-photo-231607763.html
All Muslims are not evil. All Americans are not good. People who stereotype either way are worse. If you aren't part of the solution then you're at the heart of the problem.
RedDevPS
I stand corrected - it is a ship of fools.
RedDevPS, "MYTH"Romeny 's Lose lips sinks ships.
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According to NBC’s KXAN, “The University of Texas is evacuating all of its buildings due to threats on campus after a caller claiming to be with al-Qaida said he placed bombs all over campus."
Simultaneously, North Dakota State University also received a bomb threat. The school was evacuated Friday morning shortly thereafter.
What is going on "sweetie" ;o
Harley Chic
There are 1.6 billion of Muslims in this world nd not all 1.6 billion are terrorists so no.
Harley Chic - and the same things went on during Bush's presidency or are you too brain dead to remember. My GOD the Republican party likes their members dumb (Brianb) and idiotic (harley chick). Your total stupidity is compounded by your inability to do anything but spout the GOP talking points.
Go back to riding your bike without your helmet - it's all you're good for!
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Willard is so insensitive, and yes, craven that he will say anything.
Reportedly, next week, he and Lyin Ryan will begin receiving intelligence briefings.
That's a scary prospect, especially after openly talking about the super secret agency in England....
....Careful what you say Willard...Oh, nevermind....you don't care, as long as you think you can score some votes.
I hear absolutely NO outrage at the murder of our people
Outrage? You obviously didn't hear Hillary ask the Libyan people: how could you let this happen to a man who helped save your city?
I said it two days ago, and I'll say it again. I am SICK AND TIRED of the small percentage of right-wing extremist fundamentals, regardless of religion, taking over the international stage and dictating to the rest of us, the End Game. It is time for everyone to step up to the plate and and take non-violent action squash these cretins of society.
What is going on Biker Bitch, is that fear mongers such as yourself, are capitalizing on fear and loathing. The buildings have been searched and the evacuation orders lifted. Quit feeding the flames you piece of sweetie slime.
RedDev said: That is where progressives separate themselves from the right-wing freaks that want to rush into Libya and murder and kill every single Libyan in retaliation.
Then thankfully I am not a right-wing freak as you so loosely call them. I don't think we should rush into anywhere to start a war. What I do think is we need to hold our own people accountable for these deaths... All the way to the top of the food chain. Our intelligence should have seen this coming. They failed. Obama should have issued an order for diplomats to leave the country immediately. Somewhere the connection wasn't made and that's what the problem is.
The murder is just a bump on the road to more progess and better future of the Middle East.
Condolences to the families of those slain.
But, the world is already a better place..with those dictators gone - Moammar Cadaver, and his fellow dictatos.
Harley chic, may as well give it up. Liberals don't live in reality. They were warned months and months ago about supporting the rebels. Look what it is going to sprout. Along with that, they, in their touchy feely world actually think that unbridled multiculturalism works. They can't see past the water in England and Europe and face the difficulties such "open thoughts" are causing.
Note to all - Harley Chick is now getting her/his jollies posting links to internet photos of the torture of Stevens. Be warned, it isn't pretty, and be warned, it is just a glimpse into the mind of this sicko.
Yes, and because the caller claimed to be a member of al Qaida then it MUST be true, right? Are you sure it wasn't 2 separate incidents of students trying to prank the schools to get out of class?
Think about it for a second...if al Qaida wants to kill us they wouldn't they just plant the bombs and not call ahead to warn anyone they were there?
Many people saying that President Obama is just like President Carter, and I for one agree! President Carter was a true leader, much like President Obama!
To those who say President Obama is a carbon copy of Dubya, same tax cuts, same "no child left behind" policy, Gitmo still open, foriegn policy disater, etc.... I will say that I like him compared to Carter, but I don't like him compared to Dubya!
What's the problem "sweetie" you can't accept reality...YOUR president built that. Be proud!
RedDev - thanks for the heads up. I think we've all seen the sickness that Harley chic has absorbed and then throws out. She is one of the radical right who has no shame and no integrity - as this post shows.
How odd that she and Brianb don't remember that George W. Bush was the one who started a war against the Muslim religion instead of against the actual perpetrators of 9/11. His goal was to destroy Saddam Hussein - no matter what it did to our country. We will be seeing the results of this for decades.
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Considering you're the one who thinks every Muslim is a terrorist, I'd say you're the one with a tenuous grasp on reality.
Hit the treadmill.
Harley - I've always suspected you were a total lowlife but your posting the photos you did shows what utter gutter trash you really are. You're despicable and complete filth.
Talk about sick, Feisty below says that this has been the best week for Obama... 4 americans brutally murdered by terrorist, and Feisty thinks that it was "the best week ever"
Narley,
What do you get? We are all hoping you just get out...
You can thank your boy GW for all the love we are currently reaping in the Middle East.
BTW: Tick, Tock Brian...
Right-wingers on this blog are throwing gasoline on the fire instead of working towards an efficient response to the firestorm one of their own created with a film desecrating the memory the image of a religious leader.
Is there anymore proof needed that right-wing Republicans need wander another forty years in the wilderness? Step aside rightwingers, let the adults handle this.
She is one sick bitch!
Nuff said...
I would remind conservatives like Brianb and Chic that neither the USA nor President Obama did one single thing for Egypt's Arab Spring to take place; no boots on the ground; no planes in the air; no UN involvement and not even a no-fly zone. It was the Egyptian people who demanded Mubarek step down. All the Obama administration did was suggest he do what his people demanded. The right is always preaching democracy for the people in the Middle East and then they yell and throw tantrums when those people choose someone they don't like. I'd remind you that Bush urged free elections in Palestine; they chose what we consider anti-American leaders. Have you forgotten or do you simply choose to ignore it?
Shady G, well then perhaps you care to explain the news reports that the protests are outrage at the anti-Islamic film.
I always chuckle when I read or hear about Egypt and Libya having an "Arab Spring". Neither Libyans nor Egyptians are Arab.
Shady G-
A mad man kills dozens of people at a Batman movie, using massive amounts of ammunition he purchased online. The rightwing refuses to limit the sale of such weapons of mass destruction to consumers in the US. They say it's not the gunmakers fault.
But they think Obama was supposed to be able to control a crowd driven to a frenzy by a rightwinger in the US desecrating the image of their prophet?
Does the rightwing in this country ever take responsibility for the consequences of their rhetoric? Do they ever take responsility for anything?
Harley Chic
I'm sorry Mr. Poser as a President, I don't get it and neither does America. It's the strangest most bazaar foreign policy since Lord Chamberlain's appeasement policy.
15 Photos Of Libyans Apologizing To Americans
A peaceful demonstration from Benghazi, the Libyan city where a U.S. ambassador was killed in a consulate attack Tuesday. “Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans.”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer
Look, Chic, you don't get it because you only see one side of the story. That would be the Islam-0-phobic, MYTH Romney, and the floating heads' stalking points over @the FOX NATION. It's called the FOX EFFECT. In other words, the FOX EFFECT is Fake news that has an alternative ideology that doesn't have any value on this planet.
You need to be deprogrammed.
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Jody, Iowa said:
I would remind conservatives like Brianb and Chic that neither the USA nor President Obama did one single thing for Egypt's Arab Spring to take place; no boots on the ground; no planes in the air; no UN involvement and not even a no-fly zone. It was the Egyptian people who demanded Mubarek step down. All the Obama administration did was suggest he do what his people demanded.
That's not all Obama has done. The man's tongue never stops wagging. Maybe you don't pay too much attention to what he says Jody, but if and when I can post links here, I would show you several dozen youtube videos where he not only endorses the Muslim Brotherhood, he encourages them. They are all over youtube... if you care to investigate. Since you seem to be so good at investigating what Romney does, why don't you try to investigate what your president does and says. If your integrity is in tact, like you and others claim it is, you'd spend the time searching... it's out there and it's Obama, with Obama's voice. No interpretation needed.
Amy, Jody others good rebuttals...but it seems there is no reasoning with the "posters on the other side of the aisle." The most outrageous claim we hate America, what reality are they living in?
For the record Obama supported secular governments in Egypt not the Muslim Brotherhood, although they could not get involved in rigging an election like apparently the right wanted them to. The US supported El Baredi and or secular professionals to win not the brotherhood. The will of the people was heard in Egypt and they chose the brotherhood, just like Palestinians chose Hamas over Fatah. In both instances it was not our group or choice as in the past there are no "Strong men/dictators" to bribe to supress their own people. After the elections you have to work with who is in place Muslim Brotherhood, Obama has kept ties with Egypt for the sake of stability in the region, to ensure that Egypt keeps relations with Israel. As seen recently Obama scolded their president to make sure they upheld security for our diplomats.
As one of my earlier posts noted, the attacks were not all about the movie it was only used as an excuse to mobilize, rally and incite people. Straw that broke the camels back on top of a wide range of other issues. However, there is no excuse, none, for those crazed people who took part in the attacks to do what they did. It is the ultimate hypocrisy for them to protest about ill treatment of their prophet and then riot and kill. What the right does not understand is that forces outside the administration's control, idiots making a movie, would light a match on Sept. 11.
You seem to think that precautions weren't taken. The Cairo statement you all scream about was meant to placate and lessen the protests to come after the movie was publicized by the preacher and the director. Perhaps questions can be asked about more security, but let me ask you how an embassy can withstand a massed attack of hundreds, thousands, several thousands of people (some armed) rushing the gates all at once? In Egypt initially the riot police stood aside. Now after Obama's talk with their leader the riot police are helping to protect our embassy.
This is a very fluid and difficult situation and Obama is working diplomatic angles you may not even know about. Military actions for reinforcements are under way as well. It is like you are happy that this is happy merely because it is on Obama's watch. What Romney did was calculating, amateurish and shrill. But what you people are doing hoping for Obama's failure and cheering on more strife in the region is Un-American.
Yellow Dog - thanks for that post, it is one that most rational folks would agree with. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, there is a rabid fringe element so bent on hating Obama, that they will find your reasonable writings as left-wing propaganda vs. moderate reasoning. If we could poll this piece, I am convinced you would get an 85% approval rating.
You cannot tell me Islamist extremists are anymore preverse than our homegrown nut cases who formed the base of the Klu Klux Klan and today's skinheads. Americans are not immune to hate. Not all muslims are violent and stupid. Not all American rightwingers are birthers, but many are.
Brianb, find a job yet you freeloader?
Guess not...no "management positions" available?
[...where is all the talk about the need for a ground zero Mosque. You all argued so vehemently for it. Let's hear More about your bright ideas!]
Uhm, there was no "ground zero mosque" to begin with...it was three blocks away. "Ground Zero mosque was a term coined by the liars at Fox "news"...
Facts are hard for you to comprehend, right? Or do you already know that there is no such thing as a "ground zero mosque", yet continue to perpetuate the lie?
Then that makes you a liar, just like Fox "news"...
How many brave soldiers did we lose in Iraq? That certainly never stopped Republicans or Democrats to say they had a good week or for that matter me or you.
While it is very tragic to lose 4 brave men in Libya, it does not mean that every discussion or statement has to revolve around their deaths. Life goes on, we will mourn our dead and continue our talking.
Obama did have a very good week in the polls, in the way he coolly handled this crisis, and in my opinion, in the choice of the strategy he is implementing.
Romney, on the other hand, had a very bad week. He showed that he does not have the patience to confirm the facts before issuing condemnations for political gain. Impatience can cause a lot of trouble with shoot from the hip strategies failing because they were not thoroughly considered and/or they were based on early info later found to be false.
Information needs to be confirmed, since it changes with every update in a fast -breaking story. It's almost as if Romney and his advisers have never followed a fast breaking crisis develop on CNN or some other 24 hour news station and see how it takes awhile for an accurate timeline to develop. Some witnesses are better than others. The latest update might correct an earlier update. As time passes, the accuracy of the story improves. News junkies know this because they have spent hours observing it.
I am simply amazed at the complete lack of judgment and caution shown by the Romney team in this Mid East crisis' early hours. And his followup discussions on his foreign policy, which is very aggressive in the use of American power, only served to scare me when I thought of this guy being Commander-in-Chief.
Bad judgment and vast power make a deadly combination, one bad for America, and bad for the world.
Romney, not ready for prime time.
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Are we going to get a The Week Ahead today guys?
It's been awhile..
This has been the best week for Team Obama since the election started in earnest!
It is only going to get better from now until election day...
Yep, Nothing like an US Ambassador getting killed ,US Embassies being raided with American flags being replaced with Islamic flags over soveriegn US territory for Dumbfux to call it a good week for Obama.
You got it Rocco. The left is always off in another galaxy. They actually see the middle east erupting as a good thing. They appreciate the government providing billions of our dollars to dictators and radical extremists. Liberals won't be happy until we are paying $10.00 per gallon for gasoline. Personally I think that thinking is a little... no... a lot off!
Says the not so sneaky re-reg! lol
Enjoy... your days are numbered little buddy! ☺
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
This has been the best week for Team Obama since the election started in earnest!
It is only going to get better from now until election day...
Feisty, MYTH is running scared.
Rocco-2976776
Yep, Nothing like an US Ambassador getting killed ,US Embassies being raided with American flags being replaced with Islamic flags over soveriegn US territory for Dumbfux to call it a good week for Obama.
Rocco,
You are wrong. Even Senator John McCain strayed away from the FOX NOISE Plantation when Sean Hanctimony tried to bait Senator McCain into Obama Bashing.
Hand Jive Sean KKKannity: “I am beyond outraged, angry, Senator… We apologize to them… Why are we giving $2 billion taxpayer dollars to Egypt?”
MCCAIN: It was you and people on Fox that said in Libya, "We didn't know who they were and let's not help these people." They had an election and they elected moderates. They rejected Islamists. And yes, there are al-Qaeda factors and there are extremists in Libya today, but the Libyan people are friends of ours, and they support us, and they support democracy. So you were wrong about -- so you were wrong about Libya.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/09/14/fox-news-called-out-again-for-fearmongering-on/189895
BTW: How come FOX NOISE removed the video where Senator McCain made KKKanity look like the stupid fool he is; but left the dumba** lipsmaking Palin
foreignidiotic opinion?Fiesty Redhead said:
Enjoy... your days are numbered little buddy! ☺
Is this a threat? I'm going to turn this into MSN as a complaint. No sense in flagging you... I'm going to refer to the article, thread and thread number. I am going to make a formal complaint about you for your comments. Lets see where this takes us.
Brianb- you know your whining sounds juvenile, right?
Brainb1956,
I know you didn't not mean it. Wait until next week. Listen if Romney looses, we will have to live with it, but if Obama looses they will have to institutionalize the likes of Beisty, xabre, Sanity and the rest of this zombies.
The race remains too close and they know it. There is something going around pointing to the Administration knowing ahead of time what was going to happen in Cairo and Lybia.
Oh Oh! Sanitation is doing the fighting for Beisty again. He is calling you jvenille?
Seeking Sanity--- Little Bb knows what you're saying is true but all he really wants is to get attention. He wants to feel relevant. Even though getting that attention always makes him look like an idiot. He feels like he's making a difference in his own life. The fact that we all see him as an a...hole just doesn't matter that much to him.
Concern C.--- What does "looses" mean?
No darling! It's a promise!
You were banned for having multiple accounts and now you have re-regged, which is also against the rules!
Buh Bye Baby! ;o)
Please do... if you need the e-mail address, let me know!
BTW: Nice to see you were lying through what ever teeth you may still posses about starting a new JOB this week!
More bull@!$%# from re-reg BB! lmao!
brian, MSN jumped this looney ship and it is now just NBC. Now wonder Fisty was so ready to give you the e-mail addy?
Coming from BrianB? I lol'd irl.
Romney is loose? TMI!
Calling you what? Stick to "three" words or less please.
Feisty - 4 Americans killed this week, and you say this has been Obama's best week? Are you sick??
You of all people have some balls calling anyone "sick" after you exposed us to your views on rape!
Stuff it!
what view on rape is that Feisty? You really need to see a psych, best week ever... this is a horrible week when Americans get killed
Yes sirie, this is how these people think. In my first post I mentioned this was a bad week for humanity. Do we see the real feelings of these folks?
Yes, I'm going to quote Fox. Like it or not. The left quotes NBC and proudly so why, shouldn't I quote FOX?
You remember... the one which was rightfully deleted!
Oh SNAP!
Here it is;
You're still a PIG, no amount of lipstick is gonna change anything!
Take your worlds smallest violin and shove it where the sun don't shine!
Concern Citizen -- I have never seen such uncaring, inhumane neglect for American life than that I have seen here today... "best week ever"
Feisty - get sober and go see a shrink!
I said they don't need to worry about getting raped, them were some big women! I'm betting that they could easily defend themselves....
sirie,
I'm with you and don't worry that Feisty Beast has me on ignore. She sends her other dogs after me. She is a scary woman. Don't forget that posting here is there whole life.
Now we have BCWC with Flamingos also. What is with that?
I think for your sake maybe you should get your own thread deleted... best week ever??? I sure hope Obama doesn't share your views
sirie
Americans are dying overseas every week. Be sure to live up to your avowed standards when Romney has a good day or two. Don't forget to not cheer now!
Why did these nitwits chose this week to pull their heads out of their ass and start paying attention?
Where is there POUTRAGE then?
Any excuse for these phony Christian conservatives to jump on the anti-Muslim bandwagon and spread their hatred & intolerance!
blackcat - wow, you are supporting this?
I can see the love in the Democrat party! how sick...
Coming from a pendeja gordisima, I find this extremely ironic.
sirie - you're just another "concern" and that is definitely NOT a compliment. The two of you are just alike - neither of you has any integrity and you're both as dumb as a box of rocks!
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sirie
If your dislike of Feisty is so deep that you could not see that she was referring to the election battle going on plus Obama's positive polling numbers and only that, then it is you who are sick. I am not wowed by you.
Concern Citizen: "Now we have BCWC with Flamingos also. What is with that?"
If you'll notice, a lot of us changed to flamingos today as a tribute to fellow poster phinephancy, who passed away this past week. It was her signature trademark. She would've hated the discussion on this thread. She pretty much hated hate in general.
JoAnne in PA - In that case it is very well intended and I extend my sentiments to you and all her friends and family.
SeekingSanity
Sanitation - are you practicing the war on women? As a female, why is it that Liberal women are so hard on other women?
I think is time for another RedHead joke.
Yes, by stating you're an idiot, he is practicing a "war on women".
Holy @!$%#ing hypocrisy Batman!
Dear Friends: it is long past time to stts with concern. There is no need to drag the threads down responding to her.
And here she is, on the day many of us are thinking of our friend phine, doing nothing but demonstrate her ignorance, and lack of decency.
IGNORE HER.
Amen NDD!
Happiest day of my week was when First Read got the ignore author function working again!
Will do NDD.
Talk about OMG!! Bringing mourning phine into this to avoid having to respond? Nice move NDDR.
Because if we do, she will not be encouraged to run off at the mouth with this nonsense.
Talk: you want to know what's true? I just don't give a damn what you think. I can only be so happy that I am not like you.
Xabre - thanks for coming to my defense. Oh, and I'm a woman - just an FYI!
NDD - you're absolutely right - concern on Ignore!
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newdayDAWNING...RETURNED
Read my post above #2.28- Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:49 PM EDT,
Don't play that game with me , if I were remembering a friend I would not even be here posting.
What kind of person are you that you would use the memory of your friend to insult me. Phine never insulted anyone. You are nothing but a shameful user. Go ahead and ignore me and see if I care.
Look, there were times that phine and I went back and forth but it was always civil without the vitriol the majority of the liberals on this thread seem to think is necessary. I too will miss her outlook and cool headedness in a debate. However, I don't have to let everyone know that I have a thought and miss the civil discussion on here. That is between me, God, and phine (MSRIP).
And good post at 2.37 CC.
Concern.
Actually Phine could insult with the best of us and did it often when and where she found it to be deserved. We are here posting because that is what she would want us to do, that is what the dying and dead want of us; to keep on living.
Awwwwwww the beauty of the new ignore feature. You can't even open them up to take a look ... I'd have to go to Concern's page and there I only get two lines.
By the way, what the he!! is in the air today? The Harley Biotch above (also on ignore) and sirie and Concern here?????
Why don't you RWNJs start telling us why you're backing such a loser instead of being such gutter snipes???? We all LIKE our candidate and support him and his platform.
Thank you, talk to the hand.
BCWC - I'm really sad about Phine and as you said if she did I never saw it.
I think NDD owes you and others an apology for using her memory to get back at others. I'm done for the day.
God bless Phine.
Week that was became the week that sunk Mitt/Lyin and conservatives hope of taking over the WH. A week their tender hope was crushed and buried by Mitt's amateurism full of desperate moves.
Romney is not and will never be a statesman. He's a craven individual who will say and do anything for the next political goal.
RTFS - Romney is not and never will be a man. He's a sad excuse for one and doesn't really care about anything but winning. Shades of Charlie Sheen!
Obama/Biden 2012
Look for Romney to suggest that all of the violence in the Middle East is Obama's fault. What he will not do is state how a more jingoist approach (his approach) would have prevented this. Does he think we could have kept the anger in the Arab population bottled up forever? Does he think that we could have propped up the corrupt regimes that were toppled forever? The truth is that several sores have been lanced in the Middle East. They were going to explode sooner or later. We should concentrate on stopping or killing the people that directly hurt us. Otherwise, we need to stay silent and just protect our people. If we have to withdraw from some embassies, then we should withdraw. We have done that before. In fact, when our money and our NGO's withdraw, the new governments will perhaps figure out that we are a face for good and that they do need us. But we can't fight wars against all of these countries. We just need to keep eliminating the terrorists that directly threaten us.
Beyond Democrat, well said. Listening last night to the reporters who are actually on the ground over there like the amazing Richard Engel - who has spent years covering the Middle East, often risking his own life - the one thing I heard over and over was that this is not just about a stupid film and it's not something that's going to be solved overnight. There are internal issues and resentments and injustices that have been bottled up for too long, and people over there are learning that simply changing governments does not automatically guarantee social progress or prosperity. We have only to look at our own history to see proof that democracy is a long and painful process. You're right - not only don't we have the resources to fight wars in all these countries, it's not our job. Our war should be against terrorism and specific targets - not countries. President Obama realizes this, and I for one feel fortunate to have his calm judgement leading us at this difficult time.
The middle east will kill in the name of Islam, because they believe it will get them to "heaven". Instead of using tear gas, they should spray pigs blood to keep them back. They would NEVER try storming an embassy if they believed they would be sprayed with pigs blood, that is the WORST thing that they believe could happen to them. go figure......
I enjoyed this piece on CNN's web site...
Noid -
Interesting piece - "Both groups are possessed by the unholy spirit of "blind certainty," unacquainted with both the complexity and contradictions of life on Earth". That kind of says it all. Life is indeed full of complexity and contradictions, and it's very often the blind certainty that causes us so much grief. As someone who was once an every-Sunday-singing-in-the-choir Lutheran and is now a born-again atheist, if there is one thing that I am absolutely certain of in this life, it's that there is nothing that is absolutely certain. It keeps my heart and mind open, and I find a certain degree of faith in that, perversely enough.
It's also a statement that could apply as easily to our conversations here. If we weren't all so stuck on our respective "blind certainties", maybe we could learn how to listen to each other more and just think what we could accomplish then.
It also reminds me of a song from "The King and I", in which the king - a Buddhist - says much the same thing:
"There are times I almost think
Nobody sure of what he absolutely know.
Everybody find confusion
In conclusion he concluded long ago
And it puzzle me to learn
That tho' a man may be in doubt of what he know,
Very quickly he will fight...
He'll fight to prove that what he does not know is so!
Oh-h-h-h-h-h Sometimes I think that people going mad!
Ah-h-h-h-h-h! Sometimes I think that people not so bad!
But no matter what I think I must go on living life.
As leader of my kingdom I must go forth,
Be father to my children and husband to each wife
Etcetera, etcetera, and so forth.
If my Lord in Heaven Buddha, show the way!
Everyday I try to live another day. If my Lord in Heaven Buddha, show the way!
Everyday I do my best for one-more day!
[Spoken] But...Is a puzzlement!"
DaNoid, thank you for posting this. It is the truth.
JoAnne, thanks for the reminder; it's been quite awhile since I've seen that movie.
To repeat a quote I referenced on First Thoughts: What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. Robert F. Kennedy.
Thanks for posting that Noid, rang true to me.
"Blind faith only makes you blind." - me
Then-Senator Barack Obama makes the case for an Obama Presidency on November 21, 2007 by saying he is uniquely qualified to bring stability to America's relationships in the Muslim world because he lived in an Islamic country during his youth and his half-sister is Muslim.
OMG, he was referring to his "otherness" and "foreignness" ! Is Chris Matthews foaming at the mouth? According to libs, any criticism of Obama today is a silent dog whistle of racism, silently accusing Obama of Muslim connections...
Yet here is candidate Obama highlighting this background as a positive for being President. The NY Times got on board with this narrative as well...
How's that working out for the country? Whatever his background is, he is a failure as President.
The Obama Administration is now haplessly defending its foreign policy failures by claiming radical Muslims are rioting because of some obscure Internet video, and not against the United States!
bob; President Obama's background is an asset in the presidency - he has a world view - has experience other cultures - all necessary in today's gobal climate.
BTW....look up all the times an American embassy was attacked on Bush's watch....and tell me what foreign policies of his caused those attacks???
"President Obama's background is an asset in the presidency - he has a world view - has experience other cultures - all necessary in today's gobal climate."
The facts tell us otherwise, Obama is a massive failure at domestic policy and foreign policy.
bob: Guess Bush was a failure too, as there was several attacks on American embassies during his terms. Can't have it both was bucko.
And he left America in near bankruptcy....which President Obama has managed to turn around and get us back on the road to recovery.
2002: U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked; 10 Killed, 51 Injured. 2004: U.S. Embassy Bombed In Uzbekistan
2004: Gunmen Stormed U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia
2006: Armed Men Attacked U.S. Embassy In Syria
2007: Grenade Launched Into U.S. Embassy In Athens.
2008: Rioters Set Fire To U.S. Embassy In Serbia
2008: Ten People Killed In Bombings At U.S. Embassy In Yemen
As reported earlier this week in the news, there were 12 similar type attacks during the Bush years; 8 occurred while Rumsfeld was Secretary of State. Seems odd that Rumsfeld would have the audacity to criticize President Obama for this week's attacks.
@Bob in Virginia-5210392
Bob, you know what they say; "you can't fix stupid." You're dealing with people who actually think Obama's first (and hopefully his only) term was a "success," in spite of; higher unemployment, the downgrading of The United State's international credit rating, increased deficits, pornographic gasoline prices, costlier health-care premiums, and the slowest & weakest economic "recovery" since the great depression.
It's as if these people havbe been brainwashed, and I can only deduce that a good many of his supporters actually believe they're going to get "free stuff" if we put him back in office.
What a pantload of mainstream media bias....
If Obama doesnt handle the crisis properly, it is an opening for Romney? You really expect us to believe that?
The mainstream media and NBC is in the freaking tank for Obama... there is no opening for Romney in the mainstream media, never has been , never will be.
The voters will have to discount the NBC Obama shills and make up their own mind about Obama failures.
Whine, whine, whine. How do you explain the FOX News poll? I admit it is amusing to watch conservatives moan and groan about NBC (when it isn't going Mitt's way but were fine when it was) yet say nothing about the "in-the-tank" for Romney and any republican spewed daily on FOX.
How about: the week that was after Libya, Egypt, etc. Time to retire Obama.
Yeah, right, hire Mitt Romney who insulted all of Britain while attending the Olympics; then proceeded to Israel and managed to insult the Palestinians; and that was after insulting Russia and China earlier this year. Yeah, right, hire Mitt Romney.
Obama/Biden 2012 - 4 more for 44!
Romney doesn't have a clue about foreign affairs....closest he has come is riding his bike around France while dodging the military....oh ya, and his "foreign tour" this year that he totally botched, insulting each country he went to.
Obama/Biden 2012
Obama's amateur, fumbling attempts at foreign affairs have been an embarrassment to himself and to the US.
First, he publicly and loudly affirmed his support for a Palestinian state, even going so far as to demand that Israel should return to their pre-1967 borders! This had the predictable effect of encouraging the Palestinians to seek their own separate state. Then, he had to order his Ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, to veto any UN resolution that might create an actual Palestinian state, in order to salvage the Jewish vote.
Most presidents (not all) have had sense enough to be consistent in the messages they send to the international community. Reversals, like Obama's, only create an atmosphere of uncertainty and distrust. One can easily imagine how Obama's blundering could have started a violent increase in Middle East hostilities.
Kannin,
[ … even going so far as to demand that Israel should return to their pre-1967 borders!]
There you go again cherry picking. Now please finish the statement … including mutually agreed swaps.
That statement is the very same made by every President for decades.
But you are not denying that he encouraged a Palestinian state, only nit-picking a quote ... right?
We know Repubs want to supress any thoughts of the Bush administration...pretending it never happened....but facts are facts....there were embassy attacks during his 2 terms.
Now tell me Repubs, what foreign policies of Bush caused those attacks?
2002: U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked; 10 Killed, 51 Injured.
2004: U.S. Embassy Bombed In Uzbekistan
2004: Gunmen Stormed U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia
2006: Armed Men Attacked U.S. Embassy In Syria
2007: Grenade Launched Into U.S. Embassy In Athens.
2008: Rioters Set Fire To U.S. Embassy In Serbia
2008: Ten People Killed In Bombings At U.S. Embassy In Yemen
Any American that does not stand with our American Values at this juncture or anytime, cannot call themselves patriotic. There are good times and there are bad times, through it all in our country we have for the most part walked this road together.
We stood on the side of freedom during the Arab Spring and we stand on the side of Freedom now.
Those in media or elsewhere attempting to blame this uprising on that, it's something clearly wrong with them.
This issue is not political. I and many others thank God for those four Americans who gave their lives for our Freedom that we hold so dear. Why is the cost of Freedom so hard for a few in our country to understand.
When doubt make it political.
Today I cried along with many of my fellow Americans as I watched the Home-Going of 4 Brave Americans, while some where shouting, and making noise about how great America is for the Kind of Free Speech that Movie produced. Clearly something is wrong with them.
Free Speech is ok as long as it does not serve to hurt others and belittle others or demean others religion.
Most Americans get that.
Unfortunately the noise coming from the right wanting to go to "War" wanting to Distance our selves from other countries, wanting to punish others countries, is just plain Stupid, yes I said Stupid.
Some in our country will never get it, so for them, we just overlook them.
Our President as many others has a Full Plate keeping our country on course with multiple task on his plate while others who work only 8 Days a year in the House of Representatives, have time to sit and Bully the President while contributing nothing absolutely nothing. Refusing to pass Job bill after jobs bill to hope our America goes in Decline while they sit on the sidelines and watch.
I have news for those people, Our America is Not in Decline, Our America Is not a Hateful Country that defends Harmful Free Speech, our America is one where we have those who "Lay Down Their Lives for a Friend, that means you and me.
Stop Betting Against America, You can Bully the Congress, Block All the Bills intended to help put our country's families back to work, You can take our country's Full Faith and Credit Over the Hill as you did last year, You can Block and Tackle every congressional measure put before you to Stop this Great Country Of Ours from Succeeding while you sit on your buts "Getting Paid by those very Americans Feeding Your Families, Putting Thousands of Dollars in your pockets via a pay check, Paying your Health Insurance Your Pensions, all while you Bet Against America!
That's all ok, but what you don't understand those in Congress who have spent every day 24/7 trying to put American in Decline because the Hate of One President and to Win an Election,
We are Americans, we know what you have done and continue to do and we Americans will meet you at the Ballot Boxes around this great country in November so you can get the message loud and clear
"Don't Ever Bet Against America"
SandieLove, Bravo!
Thank you for posting this SandieLove. The Americans that i deal with every day don't worry about political parties when they go about their daily lives, and it is a shame that our elected officials put party before the welfare of this nation.
There are plenty of things for us to disagree on, and a healthy debate is good for all. Compromise is the core principle that this country was founded on, we wouldn't have a Constitution or Bill of Rights if our forefathers hadn't been able to put aside their differences in order to make a 'more perfect union' for the betterment of all.
This partisan war has gone on since Vietnam, but the level of vitriol and contempt has finally reached the point to where it is bringing this country down. We have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing it to get to this point, and enflaming the gulf through our words only steers our elected officials to do the same. i hope that we can find ways of disagreeing without being hateful, and that cooler heads can find ways to find common ground and move to the middle to find a path that provides the most good for the most people.
Shady G,
No, Der Spiegel did NOT write that. I didn't think Der Spiegel would write such nonsense.
What you copied is a translation Der Spiegel printed from the right-wing paper Die Welt.
You could have copied the translation from the same article of Die Tageszeitung:
"The conservative US media have already -- excessively -- labeled the anti-US protests in Egypt, Libya and Yemen as a 'wildfire' and interpreted them as a result of Obama's 'weakness.'"
"It's lucky for Obama that his opponent Romney is acting in such a hapless manner. Instead of condemning the attacks in a statesman-like fashion and assuring the president of his support, Romney criticized the government's alleged 'apology' to the demonstrators. That was not just nonsense, but partisan maneuvering at a moment when patriotism would have been appropriate. With his attack, Romney has scored an own goal."
walkuere
thanks for doing that research. I didn't think it sounded like Der Spiegel, either. I guess a rightwinger is a rightwinger, whether it's in the US, Germany or Libya. They hate diplomacy.
Thanks for researching that out Walkuere. The right-wing trolls on this site continually cut and paste Breitbart style writings and plagiarize them or copy other articles out of context. It is a full time job to follow their links and call bull. They will do anything to ensure the spread of disinformation at a broad scale. Apparently, it is what they are paid to do.
Awwwww crap. Another credit downgrade.
When it's all said and done it's been an up and down week for both candidates on the foreign policy front. 4 diplomats got killed on the President's watch so as the leader he needs to get critize because it's his job to protect US citizens while there on their goodwill missions in other countries otherwise you'll get less volunteers to do it. But his response is going to rough on those people who killed the 4 diplomats. Now Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan are right to critize the President because they want to be President and Vice President of the United States and taking advantage of foreign policy situation is good way to talk a good game. But here's the problem how many young men and women are going to be willing to go overseas and fight forever because these people would rather die then to give there lively hood to another nation. That's what Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan are actually proposing continous wars until we squeeze the life out of people that will never be squeezed out of them without them taking down as many Americans possible. But that's my opinion and I'm only deciphering what I think these two gentlemen are really saying in order that we respond to everything on foreign policy with guns blazing and shoot first and ask questions later mentality.
I know I'm late to this "discussion"; sorry, Brian-I'm a liberal Democrat who works two jobs-might I ask where Ronnie Reagan was when 247 American soldiers were slaughtered in their beds in Beirut? It is hard to prepare for every attack by insane fanatics. Ask those people who went to the movies in Colorado; ask the kids in Oklahoma City; ask the high school kids in Columbine.