WASHINGTON -- A Republican member of Congress equated Planned Parenthood to “slavery forces” and called it a “racist organization” that was “created with the sole purpose of killing children that look like mine.”
Rep. Tim Huelskamp, a congressman from Kansas who made the comments at the 2012 Values Voter Summit this morning, is staunchly anti-abortion rights and said he has adopted four children “each of them either black, Hispanic, native American.”
“Besides slavery, abortion is the other darkest stain on our nation’s character,” Huelskamp told the crowd. “And this president is looking for every way possible to make abortion more available and more frequent, and he wants you to pay for it -- even if you disagree with it. Welcome to another provision of Obamacare.
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“Like the pro-slavery forces who invaded Kansas, the pro-abortion forces in Washington and elsewhere want us to believe that abortion is not murder -- that being born is worse than death, that the unborn baby is property, not a person. We’ve heard that before -- 150 years ago,” Huelskamp said, in an apparent reference to the Civil War and slavery.
He continued, taking a shot at Planned Parenthood: “And not shockingly, we see this administration opposing any reductions in taxpayer funding to the one private corporation, the largest abortion business in the entire country -- Planned Parenthood. Would not allow any single reductions, more than $300 million tax dollars to this entity. And ladies and gentlemen, I am the adoptive father of four children, each of them either -- each of them either black, Hispanic, Native American, and I am incensed that this president pays money to an entity that was created for the sole purpose of killing children that look like mine -- a racist organization, and it continues specifically to target minorities for abortion destruction. Shame on this president and shame on that party.”
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Can these idiots sink any lower in their cess-pool?
What part of men having NO business legislating women's reproductive rights don't these clowns comprehend!
The day they can give birth, is the day they will be allowed a seat at the table!
PERIOD!
Ladies? Are we going to stand by and allow this?
Ryan/Akin/Huelskamp 2012 - Representing compassionate, conservative, Christians, one vagina at a time!
If Obama is elected for a second term, just think of the
mess he will inherit THIS time
Tell me. What exactly is the percentage of blacks who are voting for Romney and Ryan? Nil.
And articles like this is the reason why.
So sorry that we have people in this country who spend hours coming up with this crap. And they spend the same amount hours decrying welfare recipients.
Republican Party. What is this back to the pre-Civil War days. Sure sounds like it.
Republican Party. Congratulations you fools.
Just heard Ryan say that Mitt will repeal ALL of ObamCare. Several days ago Mitt said that he would keep parts of it.
Which is it?
I highly doubt that articles like this is the reason why 95% of blacks are voting for the half-black guy.
Another moronic radical rightie speaks. Most intelligent people know that of Planned Parenthood's budget, only 3% is spent for abortions. The remainder is spent on bringing healthy children into the world; medical services for mothers and children.
How much lower will the far right sink? Amazing!
Obama/Biden 2012
What part of men having NO business legislating women's reproductive rights don't these clowns comprehend!
The day they can give birth, is the day they will be allowed a seat at the table!
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Nasty DumbFux: Isn't your ridiculous statement just the same as saying:
"White people have no business legislating anti-discrimination laws. The day they become black, hispanic, etc., is the day they will be allowed a seat at the table."
Moron.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In psychology there is a defense mechanism called projection. This is where you attribute your own characteristics to others. In this case, this guy is projecting his racism onto Obama.
Obama is not the race baiter, this guy and the Republican party is.
Just so you know, only 1% of Planned Parenthood is about abortion. The rest is about women's health issues.
Republicans = Ignorance is your name.
They provide a vitial service to all women I am white and have used plan parenthood for many things besides abortion, but it is my right to use it anyway I need to for my health and body the day I let a politician decide my bodies fate is the day I exist no more.
TO THE GOP and you are a group of self serving opinionated fools, stop allowing religion dictate how you think other's should live their lives your moral holyier then thou attitutes are why women use to use coat hangers as a means of abortion quit being ignorant to the advances of science and let each individual decide what's best for them.
Its not the article fool, its the fact that Republicans are Nazi's. Blacks always vote Democrat because Republican party is made up of racist rich people who enjoy watching poor people suffer (other than the red-neck Christians that are dumb enough to vote for the Repubs).
Doesn't matter though, there is nothing that Romney/Ryan can do to make America forget about the 8 years of GWB we suffered through.
People are morons if they think anything has changed in the Republican party since GWB left office.
-BV
BV,
This is where I must disagree, since Dubya left office, the right wingers have gone full blown bat @!$%# crazy!
A close friend of mine is an operating room nurse, a pro-choice O.R. nurse by the way, who refuses to participate in abortions because of the carnage involved.
The undeveloped fetus is "dismembered" as it is removed from the womb. Tiny little arms, tiny little legs, and eventually the torso, and head are removed, one piece at a time.
If it sounds God-Awful, it is, and that's whey she refuses to assist.
Now, I am Pro-Choice, myself.
But, I cannot find it in me to criticize those who have such a respect for human life that they are against abortion altogether. (Except the idiots who either killed or attempted to kill abortion doctors. That's completely contra to what they say they are in favor of.....life itself.)
The supreme court already ruled on this, and it would take some serious legal wrangling within congress to undo Roe vs Wade.
So, I guess what I am trying to say is that I find it somewhat hatefully cavalier, and somewhat frivolously childish to post a commercial slogan-like thing such as "representing compassionate, conservative Christians one va-jay-jay at a time" in reference to such a serious issue as this.
Only the SCOTUS can undo Roe v. Wade. The only other way is a Constitutional amendment, which would never pass.
Great example of a line right out of the Karl Rove playbook of political campaigns:
"If you want to get away with something, accuse the other side of doing it first."
These guys are one of the best living examples I've seen of "three fingers pointing back at you".
Hey, Joe in Albany:
You kiss your mother with that mouth?
Hey Pat I think you better read your history It is your beloved Democrats that ran around in White sheets and hoods. You dumb asses don't even know when you are being played
You better read your history. Until the time of FDR the Republicans were the liberals and the Democrats were the conservatives.
Fiesty......
Why should Americans pay for womens abortions? It is not against the law to have an abortion, but if you don't believe in that why should you have to assist with it?
A war on women, huh? There is a war on women, it is called Shariah Law! Why should I have to assist idiots like Sandra Fluke with birth control? She is a big girl, she can find 10 bucks a month for that!
If the womens rights groups want as they state, "Stay out of my bedroom government" then why should the government pay for their lifestyle choices?
Should we also pay for alcohols drinks or drug users drugs? That is also a lifestyle choice and shouldnt be funded by taxpayers.
Think about it Fiesty!
Wow! Wow! and Wow!
Do all you poor white-trash Republicans and trailer-trash Teabaggers know that the ONLY reason the GOP Party wants your Vote, is because they need your precious Sons and Daughters for "CANNON FODDER"
for all their Hideous and Horrific Foreign Sin-Wars, where they can abuse your Kids to protect the Financial Interests of the likes of Mitt Romney's and his 1% percenters.
Did you know that?
The Republicans don't care about any, and I mean any, of you Blue-collar, hard-working Factory workers.
The GOP Party preaches "GUNS, GUTS, and GOD" to you lower-middle class folks only to Con and Hustle your Vote, but really what they're Forcing down your Gullet is: "BEER, BAIT, and BEANS".
Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012 and let's send Mitt Romney and his Republican Masters "Back to the Political Dung Heap of History". ok?
God Bless Barack Obama.
And here we have a prime example of the GOP tactic of lying by omission.
Want to tell the rest of that history? Or just stick with your half-truth revisionist version, "openminded"?
C'mon boys - let's see if we can get through the rest of those "Karl Rove's Tactics for Low IQ Campaigners" before the morning's over.
Why should I be forced to pay for a gigantic military world police force? I don't believe in such a thing...
Tell you what, your tax dollars can pay for our military, and mine can pay for subsidized birth control.
"Racist" baby killers said the Rep from KKKansas. The best thing to ever come out of Kansas? I-70
Folks on the right edge and folks of the left edge have a few things in common. Among those is the belief they are in the majority and second they are both delusional about what the people are concerned about. And last but not least they are nuts.
Why did I have to pay (and continue to pay) for Bush to stroke his ego by going to war with Iraq?
Why do I have to pay the salaries of your do-nothing GNoP Congressmen in the House who have only managed to pass 61 bills this entire year?
Why do I pay for the tax deductions of churches that use the money to run around stirring up hatred and protesting at servicemen's funerals?
Why do I pay for Republican Congressmen to go on overseas "fact-finding" junkets and spend their time trying to persuade places like Uganda and other African nations to pass laws outlawing homosexuality?
Do you want to change the tax code so that the tax payment line includes a bunch of check-boxes?
Because I think the Republicans are gonna come out losers in that battle, big-time. Seeing how red states get so much more in federal revenue than they put in.
Republicans always seem to be on a never-ending quest to rule over and dominate all mankind.
Republicans won't just live their own lives and leave others alone, they want EVERYBODY doing the same things they do, and the same way they do it.
I suppose that's why our forefathers felt like it was absolutely necessary to write it down and make "freedom for all" the law of the land, to prevent people from doing exactly what Republicans are trying to do, be Dictators to all of the people.
No thanks, I prefer to live my own life, and make my own decisions and my own choices.
Obama/Biden 2012
marlen101917
There are only two reasons:
Mitt didn't get the memo from his handlers on time so Mitt didn't know whether he was for some parts of ObamaCare or against all of it.
Mitt's "for/against" answer depends on who he is talking to - but apparently Mitt forgets that we live in 2012 where everything and anything is recorded and played instantaneously.
They don't, except in extremely rare cases & you're dismissed!
Real American.....
I don't know where you live but did you congressman vote to go to war in Iraq? If they did, you should vote them out if you disagree with them. I know you were trying to be silly or witty with your comment, but you should really know the answers to your questions above.
Its not brain surgery! :)
WTF?
there is nothing really I can say about this comment other than it gets the Todd Akin Moron of the Month Honorary Award.
They just did. :(
These hypocrites would rather have the baby born, call it a welfare leach and deny it benefits to kill it off.
What's worse, abortion or murder by neglect?
@Zman: I'm an MD. A pro-choice, anti-abortion, Christian wife and mother. I chose not to participate in abortions after the last one I was involved in, it was too emotionally difficult. However, I support the right of women to make that decision for themselves, and I support their right to get the procedure done in a safe, legal venue. My colleagues who choose to perform the procedure do so bc they believe in that same right. Outlawing abortions will not eliminate them......my parent was an MD in a country that did--and does--ban abortions. Wealthy, connected women will ALWAYS get the procedure, so outlawing it will drive the less wealthy and connected to the backstreets. I'm all for working on decreasing the number of unwanted pregnancies, and by extension abortions, by education, healthcare, affordable and available contraception, increased opportunities for women and young girls. The day there are no more abortions will be a great day, but it will never come. Women still die from septic abortions in other countries, why would you want to throw us back into that age in this country?
Logically, how does pushing abstinence-only ed and limiting contraception help with decreasing unwanted pregnancies? How does shutting down Planned Parenthood, which provides other health services to fertile *and* pregnant women besides abortion, help the women who were once fetuses themselves?
Oh my poor, poor misguided Fiesty......
Does Planned Parenthood perform abortions? YES
Akin, part deux?
This idiot sure sounds like one of those lemons to lemonade fools.
Should of asked him if he supports a rapist's rights to fatherhood as advocated in the GOP platform.
This article is nothing but fodder for the "lets get offended now!" liberal wingnuts.
James-2110694
James, since the Republicans don't care about fetuses after they are born (aka children), they should be giving out birth control like they give away subsidies.
yeah- this sentence of yours makes me believe that you also believe in the Todd Akin's "Legitimately raped women" 'theory' and Rush Limbaugh's "the more sex you have, the more birth control pills you gotta take" statement.
James JAMES James
Plan Parenthood charges for abortions in 1990 it was $250 duh they screen you too with 2 different medical doctor's and a physcologist, you don't just walk in and get one. I guess it depends on the state but this was in California so make any assumptions about them you'd like it is not fact unless you have been there yourself....
TO: James-2110694 who wrote:
The part that needs "explaining" to me is, how is it YOUR business James?
teamdirtdogs,
If I could give your post 100 upticks, I would.
You are right on the mark.
Funny that the GOP would use a word like “racist” -
James James James:
Do you honestly think birth control is $10? Maybe for condonms but it is not $10 for Depo that runs about $150 to $250 a shot pills can cost more and no one is asking american's to pay for other's birth control you are very miss guided, Plan Parenthood get's alot of it's funding from Grants and Non-Profit groups and people like me who donate, I sure hope you are not using 10$ birth control cause you might have a surprise in your lady's tummy....
Where did I claim they didn't!
The problem for you little Jimmy, is they are NOT federally funded. Try reading up on the Hyde Amendment and then get back to us!
I have no time to argue with a grossly misinformed man!
Which currently has a right-wing majority. Elect Willard and it's more than likely he will nominate 2 more justices. Do you suppose he will nominate 2 liberals? SCOTUS overturning Roe v. Wade is much more likely under a Willard presidency.
myopinion-13
I agree 100 %
I have not met anyone yet who sees abortions in a positve way - never. But I have met many who believe that a decision like that should be left to the woman, her doctor, and her conscious.
Feisty, I mean "Ed", don't you have show prep to do for the "Ed Show" this evening?
The total disregard for innocent, defenseless human life, simply for the "convenience" of women who can't seem to keep their legs crossed or take a pill, is disgusting.
Ok, let the outraged bulls**t about fetuses not being human begin....fire at will!
TO: openmind266 who wrote:
We know history, and we know that all those "white sheet and hood wearning dumb asses" that you are referring to ALL switched sides and became REPUBLICANS in 1964 because they couldn't stand the thought of minorities in America having "equal rights" even though "equal rights under the law" is written into the United States Constitution.
Idiot.
Obama/Biden 2012
He makes it sound as if government funding of Planned Parenthood actually goes toward paying for abortions when such is not the case. Patients must provide the funding for abortions.
Ah, Fesity - James just wishes he had a uterus. That's all.
Obama/Biden 2012 (Stupid GOP)
Feisty - so now you're "Ed." Not only changed your name this time but your sex as well. You truly ARE amazing!!! LOL
Mr. Auschwitz - you are a truly disgusting excuse for a human being.
Joe in Albany...tell you what...the day you surgically remove your male member so you cannot impregnate a woman against her will, I'll give you a place at the table!
With due apologies to Kansas' normal people, what is it about those wide-open spaces that produces so many fiery-eyed religious nut jobs, like this latest whack-a-doo? Kansas is also home to the fascinating Reverend Fred What's-His-Name, the crazy old closet case who shows up at soldiers' funerals with his many types of "God Hates (fill in the blanks)" signs.
Is it so boring in Kansas that a certain type of Kansas male can think of nothing better to do than monitor the activity in ladies' underwear? My God, get these men a barbecue fork or a threshing machine, so they can spend their energies on something better suited to their state's heritage.
Seeking,
Does it ever end? lol
I'm flattered to be continually accused of being some of the best & strongest liberals on the airwaves!
If they only knew.... ;o)
Suds,
If you ask me, James sounds like it's been a long time since he got to play in the playground... if you know what I mean? ;o)
No, you're disgusting.
What about the so-called men who can't keep it zipped or bother with the inconvenience of a condom or won't have a vasectomy but still demand sex. What about rape and incest? What about cases where the life of the mother is at stake? What about women who can't afford birth control? What about accidents, which DO happen? And what about birth control failures, which DO occur?
By the way, are you aware there are religions that teach that ALL birth control is wrong?
How do you square THAT, Spider?
Abortion should always be the last resort. But until the time comes that all other things are perfect, that decision must reside solely with the mother.
YOUR religion, Spider, and YOUR personal beliefs have nothing whatsoever to say about it. Only the mother's religion and conscience are relevant.
Afraid of what YOUR partner would do if it's left up to her? Then get another partner or don't have sex.
Keep it zipped, you misogynist creep. Do the world a favor.
To all you ladies I'm going to be bold here, when you spread them for us you became a half parent, half of what you have inside of you was created by us, so we have a choice too, what happens if we want the child to be born? Law ya, no! Abortion is about the choice of a life, there is a father involved in this, his choice to raise the child or put it up for adoption,, your just an incubator until the child is born!
Mr. Huelskamp..."shame on you" for being another in a long line of severely mentally challenged morons from that flat state smack in the middle of nowhere that really means very little to the rest of us! I would suggest that you take a long walk on a short pier in shark infested waters. Bless your heart!
Looks like the GOP has jumped the shark...
ZMan2012
So you OR Nurse friend would let the mother die? What you describe is normally because the Doctor has had to make a choice of saving one or the other life. There are many factors that need to be weighed in the decision and unfortunately the Doctors may only have 10-15 seconds to make those decisions and take decisive action. Yes, it is traumatic beyond belief. We all pray for all involved.
Bubba1946427: Not sure what woman, in her right mind, would want to share intimacy with you, but your choice comes before you unzip your fly. The best advice I can give you is to make sure your sexual partner agrees on your stance on abortion, before you drop your trousers. Once a woman conceives, the choice on whether or not to carry the pregnancy to term is hers.
Period.
Oh, and P.S.: women are not incubators, much as you would like for it to be so. Sorry, dude.
bubba --
It's Friday afternoon, and there's a rock with your name on it, just waiting for you to crawl back under it for the weekend.
Make that plain and sign the contract to support that child until it's 18, regardless of any complications, before you dive between the legs.
After all, you can't expect a mere "incubator" to provide support, now can you?
Put your responsibility up front, before you plow the field, Mr. Fertility. And make sure there's full agreement between the parties.
Otherwise, stay out of it.
I'll believe Republicans/Conservative Christians are PRO LIFE when they no longer support war and killing foreigners and making JUSTIFICATIONS for it.
If women arent allowed to make justifications for aborting an undeveloped/unborn fetus...then republicans shouldnt be allowed to make justifications for killing foreigners, period.
I believe we didnt drone bomb all of colorado because a whack-a-doodle white man shot up a movie theatre...why exactly did we bomb and invade Afghanistan AND Iraq, because a few whack-a-doodle muslims crashed planes into two towers?
We should have treated them like the criminals they were, and sought after and brought to justice anyone who SPECIFICALLY had ANYTHING to do with that specific criminal act.
Not waged war on an entire nation of people, forcing Afghani's to do the only thing they believe is right - defend their nation against the occupiers (us) - and we then call them terrorists, and are then justified in killing them.
Sorry, loopholes dont work when you're prolife...obviously - otherwise prolife christians would understand abortion would be ok in order to save the life of the mother, or in cases of rape or incest (which of course, wink wink, rarely happen).
I CALL BULL.
Either all life is precious, or no life is precious...there is no gray area, apparently.
If Collateral Damage is acceptible in WAR, then consider every aborted fetus collateral damage in the WAR ON WOMEN.
@Bubba -- A woman's tootie is not your sperm depository to dictate as you please!
This guy is yet another Bible-thumping moron GOP is full of. Send them all to Middle East where they will be in a good company of other religious fundamentalists, making life miserable for themselves and everybody else.
I have to wonder just how these folks got elected to start with ? And even more so..who would continue to vote for them...including Ryan the so called VP pick for Romney..who himself scares me.
Feisty - Instead of going ballistic with your nonsense and blithely ignoring what he said, why don't you try to dispute it? Oh, that's right, that is because everything he said is true and rooted in the origins of Planned Parenthood, so you can't discuss it rationally and instead you lambaste him to try to keep your "war on women" alive.
Christine and Anna, Your are both right support, but before you as one of you have stated drop your pants make sure you are ready to give that choice, I have my rights too, two are creating a life not just one. This has nothing to do with God or the bible, this is a personnel belief even though the one word I use was hard for you to here, it is a truthful statement, you bring the child to it full term of birth, but with out the other half in nature you would not have that ability, so a man must be an equal partner! 1ad Never said it was!!! A man must take his full responsibility for the life he is creating even if he must do it alone!
"If they only knew.... ☺
do you mean
IF THEY ONLY HAD THE ABILITY TO ASSIMILATE & RETAIN FACT...?
GOP MOTTO: Love the fetus, hate the child....OR, "Once you're born into this world, we don't give a crap."
Then it's time to write exactly that law, bubba, and to make sure every man has specifically agreed in advance to take on his responsibility, and that every woman knows that carrying a child to term will be the consequence before the couple engages in sex.
And maybe also make sure the man has the means to keep that promise, so that it doesn't fall back on the state. I'm sure you don't like that idea, either, bubba.
By the way, I didn't bring religion into our conversation, just contract law.
The law is sure going to take a lot of the fun out of sex, though.
I can't wait to see whether Republicans will be ready to enforce it.
TO: Max^108 who wrote:
Oooouuw, good idea Max! Then they'll be close to the 2 things Republicans love most, oil and dictatorhip!
Obama/Biden 2012
Xabre
SCOTUS doesn't have to overturn Roe v Wade. Just look at the 2000 or so laws proposed (some passed) is the states over the last two years.
1) these laws make access to abortions pretty much impossible. Not only the ultrasound and transvaginal probes, but the waiting periods, the requirement that the only clinic in the state (MS I think) have doctors with admitting rights to the local hospital (knowing full well the doctors must come from out-of-state and no woman has ever needed to be transferred).
2). And here's the tried and true Republican tactic, don't like the law, either defund or refuse to fund.
With this push to make getting an abortion so difficult (if not impossible) the anti-choice people are winning. And Roe v Wade doesn't even need to be addressed, it can still be the law of the land.
TeamDirtDogs
Excellent post. Those of us who are old enough to remember America before Roe v Wade know it's true. Poor women go to the back alley butchers and rich girls 'go on vacation' or simply go to a 'midnight visit to the friendly family doctor"
Roe v Wade was never meant to legalize murder. It was meant to save the lives and/or reproductive capabilities of women who were getting abortions anyway. Just like women have been doing since they figured out why their tummies were growing.
To all of you women libs who think abortion is a woman's right (and a woman's only), have you ever wondered why men walk away from marriage? It takes two items to make a fetus, and most men feel a part of this gift of creation. Quit being so damm selfish and remember it took two people in an act of love to create you.
Don't get me wrong I am pro choice! If both agree to it! You both choose to have sex and what came ;-} with that choice, the possibility of a baby! You now both have the ability to choose if that baby lives or dies! Just because a woman buy nature is the one having the baby does not give her more control over the choice she made the same decision at the time, unless it was rape! If the man chooses he wants that baby or he wants that baby to go up for adaption then the woman because of her choice to have sex with that man, and her knowledge that she could have his baby should be required to have it (She gave up her temple). If she says I don't know who's baby it is then she should be required to have it if she can't identify the men and they can't agree on what to do! Lady's you enjoyed the sex just as much as the men (maybe) but you at least at the time want it as much or more.
Pro-lifers think their is no bigger moral issue than abortion.
Birth control, when successfully used, reduces the use of abortion.
Pres. Obama has included birth control in those preventative services now included in our health coverage. In other words, use of preventative services reduces the cost of treatment of what they are intended to prevent. For example, colonoscopies reduce the incidence of colon cancer and advanced colon cancer reducing the cost of health care, mammograms reduce the incidence of advanced breast cancer reducing the cost of health care, birth control reduces the incidence of pregnancy reducing the cost of health care.
All of these preventative services are now offered without charge to insured people. This change encourages use of these preventative services by people who previously did not use these services because of the out-of-pocket expense. These services when used lowers the cost of health insurance, the cost of medical care. They are not free. They are paid for out of the premium dollar and they save a lot of money.
Basically, they pay for themselves.
Use of birth control reduces the likelihood of pregnancy, thus it also reduces the number of abortions women will have. There has been a furor from pro-lifers over birth control with no out-of-pocket cost. It will reduce the number of abortions and in my mind, they should be all for it.
It makes me wonder what their top priority is? It makes me wonder why they cannot welcome change that reduces the number of abortions? I have to conclude that their main concern is not reducing the number of abortions, but something else, or they want all or nothing, hardly how a democracy works. When opinions differ widely in a democracy, agreement with compromise comes somewhere near the middle ground.
Increased accessibility to birth control is such a middle ground.
Actually, people who are most anti-abortion and pro-life should be the biggest supporters of Planned Parenthood. PP provides low-cost contraception to women, thus preventing unwanted pregnancies, thus eliminating the possibility for abortion. I would imagine PP prevents tens of thousands of abortions each year. I'm guessing the ratio of prevented abortion to abortions is around 100 to 1. I also think it's safe to assume that PP has done more to prevent unwanted pregnancies that all pro-lifers combined.
Actually they do.....now....Feisty. So you're dismissed.
Nestled within the “individual mandate” in the Obamacare act — that portion of the Act requiring every American to purchase government — approved insurance or pay a penalty — is an “abortion premium mandate.” This mandate requires all persons enrolled in insurance plans that include elective abortion coverage to pay a separate premium from their own pockets to fund abortion.
Typical Feisty.....doesn't even know what she's voting for, she just votes. Has no clue whatsoever even what Obamacare is or how many mandates are involved in the law (TAX).
Feisty.....typical nut from Illinois, where all of our Governors like Blago rot in jail - crooked "pay to play" politics where Unions destroy everything they touch, and now they're affecting millions of little kids. I guess their complete destruction of Illinois' commercial economy wasn't enough.......
Until a man has to go through the 9+ months of pregnancy, the morning sickness, the back aches, the labor, the months afterward while you body recovers, there is no way he can be an equal partner. The man is a contributing partner and a spectator. Period.
From the I smell another GOP phony department:
From govtrack.us, the list of bills sponsored by Rep. Tim Huelskamp, (Kansas-R) concerned father of four children, crusader of rights for the unborn, Congressperson extraordinaire, helping us all make a better life for ourselves......
H.R. 5431: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain women’s footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5429: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain non-women’s footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5423: To suspend temporarily the duty on footwear for men with outer soles and uppers of rubber or plastics, covering the ankle, other than work footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5426: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5428: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain women’s footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5430: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain non-women’s footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5425: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain footwear with outer soles and uppers of rubber or plastics, covering the ankle, other than work footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5424: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain footwear for girls with outer soles of rubber, plastics, leather, or composition leather and uppers of leather, not covering the ankle.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5432: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain women’s footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5427: To suspend temporarily the duty on certain men’s footwear.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: May 07, 2012
Referred to Committee: May 07, 2012
H.R. 5122: To suspend temporarily the duty on lanthanum phosphate phosphor, activated by cerium and terbium.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5116: To extend the temporary suspension of duty on zinc silicate phosphor.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5123: To suspend temporarily the duty on a Phosphor Blend of Yttrium Oxide doped with Europium, Cerium Aluminate doped with Terbium and Barium Aluminate doped with Europium.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5114: To extend the temporary suspension of duty on strontium magnesium phosphate-tin doped inorganic products of a kind used as luminophores.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5126: To extend the temporary suspension of duty on barium magnesium aluminate phosphor.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5120: To extend the temporary suspension of duty on calcium chloride phosphate phosphor.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5119: To extend the temporary suspension of duty on calcium chloride phosphate phosphor activated by manganese and antimony.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5125: To extend and modify the temporary suspension of duty on lanthanum phosphate phosphor.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5124: To extend the temporary suspension of duty on strontium halophosphate doped with europium.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
H.R. 5117: To extend the temporary suspension of duty on a mixture of barium carbonate, strontium carbonate, calcium carbonate, and 1-methoxy-2-propanol acetate, for use as emitter suspension cathode coating.
Sponsor: Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R-KS1]
Introduced: Apr 27, 2012
Referred to Committee: Apr 27, 2012
What about helping children??? What about abortion??? What makes this guy look like another GOP phony???
Typical little Stevie...
How about you post the link to the cherry picked comment you pulled out of your ass?
We would like to read it in it's entirety instead of the propaganda you chose to post?
Why do you have to be disingenuous trying to make your case?
Something to hide? lol
Anna than let talk about a woman's responsibility about creating that life and knowing it could happen when she agrees to go to bed with a man. Sex is not just about pleasure, in nature in about recreating you, all forms of life reproduce, we are the only one who have come up with a way to KILL our reproduced offspring through medical practice just so we don't have to care for it because we had a night of pleasure we regret!
dsd to bad to sad!!!! You drew the short stick!!! Then grow a pare
Health insurance coverage now includes pre-existing conditions. Pregnancy used to be a pre-existing condition, and women without pregnancy coverage which cost a lot extra were faced not only with an unplanned pregnancy, but also the prospect of how to pay for the medical care they would need.
Now, pregnancies are covered. And the number of women choosing abortion will be reduced as the medical coverage for their pregnancy is now included.
How many pro-lifers support this middle ground solution? It is progress and I hope all will support it.
Exactly how many women have you been @!$%#ing around with, Representative Huelskamp? Because that's a whooooole lot of children for you to tell us they look like you. You're anti-birth control too, right?
Margaret Sanger, who founded Planned Parenthood, was an active proponent of "negative eugenics," with which I agree in part -- the part about birth control -- and disagree in part.
However, with regard to the accusations that have been made about Planned Parenthood and extermination of African Americans, you may find this bit of information instructive --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
Now, unless anyone thinks that Sanger fooled W.E.B. Du Bois AND Martin Luther King, Jr., perhaps this nonsense talk ought to stop.
I could be wrong, of course, but I've more often seen men walk away from marriage because they DON'T want the responsibility, rather than because they do. In many cases, Mom gets stuck with the child-rearing responsibilities while Daddy goes on to younger woman. I met such a man yesterday, in fact, who regretted it terribly over time. But if one spouse doesn't want to have children and the other does, there's a fundamental problem in play that Planned Parenthood really has nothing to do with. Under those circumstances, the parties really ought to be talking before conception occurs.
By the way, "love" is not required to make babies. If it was, there would probably be far fewer abortions.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/03/12/obama-admin-finalizes-rules-1-abortions-in-obamacare/
I got more links when you need them. Just ask. And I don't "pull out of my ass".
Funny you don't comment on anything else in the post. Like the Democrats destroying Illinois' budget & economy along with the unions one day at a time. Massive teacher (education) layoffs. Commercial construction in the tank. No money to fund my son's college U of I, forcing me to pay DOUBLE this year what I paid in previous years.
Forcing me to drive an hour 1/2 to work in Wisconsin every day where a great Governor like WALKER has his & this states' @!$%# together.....
So you people are not the least bit disturbed that over 50% of all black babies are aborted but less than 20% of white babies are? You think this is good? All these are needed?
PP is partially funded by the federal government BTW to the tune of 75 million a year and they DO help pay for abortions.
How is this different that the genocide myth that heroin was introduced to the gettos to supress the black population? This is actually true.
Facts are inconvenient sometimes huh?
spider-737231
why don't you tell men to keep there zippers zipped up? Apparently, according to you, only women are to blame for pregnancies?
Your comment shows how primitive your way of thinking is.
BTW, women want to take birth control pills but the Republicans men try very hard to make it more difficult for them.
Anna I'm sorry this is a law that can't be written, it is a law that is taught and known. You learn responsibility, you learn to take care of your family, you know how to love and care.
Why oh Why do they force poor women to have birth and then vote to eliminate the young child's breakfast program ... you can't be pro-life and create malnourished children at the same time!
You know the difference between a GOP Male and a Dem Male.......We like our equals (Woman) Happy
I'm a White Male DEM! and we never, ever tell a Woman what she can and can't do PERIOD (no pun or disrepect)
No thanks! I checked out the one you provided which comes from a right wing pro-life website (no surprises there)! lol
Imagine what I found when I did some fact checking on their bogus claims;
As to the rest of your whiny drivel...
Aww! Poor baby, feel free to leave at any time!
Now run along, I'm growing bored with bitch slapping you!
There was a time when you idiots would at least send in the benchwarmers! ;o)
Oops, usually I do research before posting.
Pregnancy is only covered if you have pregnancy option on your insurance plan. The change in pregnancy coverage is that it is now portable, so if you have pregnancy coverage and change heath insurance companies, it cannot be considered a pre-existing condition by the second insurance company.
Sorry for the mistaken info.
It sure sounds like the New Nazi republican Party has come to light. So not giving breast screenings through Planned Parenthood isn't going to be racist killers? What is wrong with so called Christians and republicans today? Not giving contraceptives will sure add a lot of people to the welfare roles and be hypocritical. I hate republicans!
"Rep. Tim Huelskamp, a congressman from Kansas..."
Well, that pretty well explains this particular bit of lunacy in four concise words.
The right-to-lifer's just don't seem to get it that life is not instantaneous, that it, especially human life, needs to be carefully nurtured for many years, well into its twenties with our fabulous health insurance polices that the Repubs so vehemently despise. Planed Parenthood fills a great void that the GOP cannot possibly understand with their myopic world view. It would help everybody if they grew up.
The darkest stain to me is the new republican party that is out in right field somewhere. It has to stop! or be stopped!
The darkest stain to me is the new republican party that is out in right field somewhere. It has to stop! or be stopped!
Ha ha ha. You're the one whining about 'equal partners' BS. At least you admit that the woman's part is the hardest.
As for growing a 'pare', if you mean a 'pair', got news for you pal, women don't need to. We do just fine without the macho crap. Plus we simply don't have to drop our drawers and pull out a measuring stick at the 'least little thing' (pun intended). That's just a guy thing that we find pretty amusing and stupid.
This article is nothing but a distraction from the colossal mess happening right now in the middle east. But for God's sake don't look behind that curtain.
It sort of reminds me of how Clinton kept bombing things every time he got blown in the Oval Office. It's not the same, turns out Bill had real reason to be dropping bombs, it just looked like smoke and mirrors. Today, every time Obama appears like a community organizer in way over his head NBC throws out a story about abortion.
Abortion will remain legal and we will continue to pay for some to have the procedure as we will continue to pay for a 30 year old law student to get birth control. Some of us might not like it but that won't change anything.
Bubba: You do relize that your women can purchase a $50 morning after pill right unless you are sleeping with a 17 year old or younger? Do you know what that is? It means she can have intercourse with you and as long as she takes the pill within 7days after sexual intercourse there will be no pregnancy. I love it, it is far better to use than abortion and more cost affective. I just wanted to let you know that the GOP would like to take this option away from women as well, they fought HARD to not let this pill be an option to women in the US. The other great thing is now women who have been raped are given this immediately as well to prevent pregnancy. Their is more to it then a women denying a man a say do you relize what a female body goes through to have a child. The liver, pancreaus and kidneys shift and move then it takes 6 month to a year after pregnancy for them to return to the proper place. Just FYI
Number of abortions in 2009 by race just in New York City
Black 40,798
Hispanic 28,364
White 9,853
Asian 5,212
Other 349
Source NYC Department of Health
Once you free your mind and realize you don't have to be mass-controlled via religion, you will wake up truly free.
If you are against abortion, fine.
If you are for abortion, fine.
If me and my partner choose one path or the other, it's none of you business now is it? Nobody made you the gatekeeper and if our decisions were to land us in hell, then that's on us now, isn't it?
Planned Parenthood saves thousands of women's lives a year with cancer screenings, but I guess that doesn't count.
No war on women here, nope, none, nein(sarcasm)
Fisty's mother should have exercised her right to reproductive rights and abortion. Fisty would have been proud of her. Dead, but very proud. And Lori, no one is trying to prevent screenings. Where do you get this stuff?
Ashley, didn't you hear the miracle breakthrough? Women who are raped can avoid conception just by the use of their own bodies. They don't need a pill.
Amazing what the female body is capable of accomplishing.
Please note the sarcasm!
@openmind266 post 1.15 - Talk about not knowing your history.... The democrats you refer to that were running around wearing white sheets in the south (KKK) were dems only prior to 1964 when the civil rights act was passed by a democratically controlled house and senate and signed into law by a democrat president, Lyndon B Johnson. As soon as it passed, those same southern white dems immediately switched over to being republicans and remain so today.
I don't believe for one minute that you didn't already know that... You knew you were only telling a half truth. You knew that you were posting a completely misleading comment.
If men had to carry babies, you can damn sure believe abortion would be legal and readily available.
Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Woman Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence, 2008
White 253,865
Black 194,694
world.idooicracy
Wrong, the democrats did not have enough votes to pass civil rights with just 63% voting yes, it took the 80% yes votes from the minority republicans to pass it. There is no evidence of dixiecrats switching parties, that is just BS.
newscover, you realise that blacks represent just 15% of the population right?
Tiggle you made me giggle
Beginning in 2014 under ACA, pregnancy will be covered at no additional health insurance cost and even if it is a pre-existing condition in both group and individual plans. This change will reduce abortion due to concern about paying the medical bills.
Under ACA an extra 15 million women will have health insurance (out of 30 million total) when ACA is fully in place.
RedHead Ranting....
You nailed it! There isn't a war on women here in America. Abortion is legal and will be, so what exactly the liberal women here are complaining about I have no idea. Are the liberal women here okay with having an abortion the day before the due date?
But you do point out the most important peice, it is all a distraction from Obama and his failed record. I wonder if Obama will get the deficit cut in half in the next couple of months. I wonder if Obama is still excited for the Arab Spring, knowing the Muslim Brotherhood was going to take over? Or the 47 million on food stamps? Or the high unemployment and under employment?
But hey when things are not good for the president, lets toss out an abortion article.
Bubba-
You sir, are an idiot. You said that "sex is not just about pleasure...". Well, in many MANY instances, that is exactly what it is about and exactly what it is JUST about. Oral and anal sex are not about reproduction! Also, you noted that "we are the only one who have come up with a way to KILL our reproduced offspring through medical practice". How observant of you. Hey knucklehead, WE ARE THE ONLY ANIMALS CAPABLE OF "MEDICAL PRACTICE"! There are plenty of animals that kill their young in the wild. Abortion is a very private decision that I'm sure, no women makes lightly. It is their choice. butt out.
I'm sitting here shaking my head about how totally stupid the fake conservatives have become.
Do they really imagine this sort of insane talk will win any hearts and minds except for terminally ignorant and stupid people?
July 2005: Romney vetoed a bill providing the morning-after pill to rape victims and vetoed a bill to require hospitals to make it available to rape victims.
In the fall of 1990, a married woman who, having already borne 5 children, had found herself some years earlier facing an unplanned 6th pregnancy. She contemplated abortion. But the Mormon Church makes few exceptions & the woman feared excommunication. Then her doctors discovered she had a serious blood clot in her pelvis. She thought initially that this would be her way out--of course she would have to get an abortion. Romney paid her a visit. He told her about his nephew who had Down syndrome and what a blessing it had turned out to be for their family. "As your bishop," she said he told her, "my concern is with the child." Romney would later contend that he couldn't recall the incident, saying, "I don't have any memory of what she is referring to, although I certainly can't say it could not have been me." Romney acknowledged having counseled Mormon women not to have abortions except in exceptional cases, in accordance with church rules.
In 1994 Romney established himself as a passionate supporter of abortion rights early on, despite his personal opposition to abortion. Romney initially said he opposed Medicaid funding for abortion. He later softened that position to say he favored leaving the question of coverage up to the states. Romney also endorsed the legalization of RU-486, the abortion-inducing drug, and appeared in June 1994 at a fund-raiser for Planned Parenthood. Ann Romney gave the group $150. Romney asserted that his family had supported a woman's right to a safe, legal abortion ever since the October 1963 death of his brother-in-law's sister, Ann Hartman Keenan, from complication following an illegal abortion.
Meet the Press / 2007:
Q: Do you believe life begins at conception?
A: I do. I believe from a political perspective that life begins at conception. I don’t pretend to know, if you will, from a theological standpoint when life begins. I’d committed to the people of Massachusetts that I would not change the laws one way or the other, and I honored that commitment. But each law that was brought to my desk attempted to expand abortion rights and, in each case, I vetoed that effort. I also promoted abstinence education in our schools. I vetoed an effort, for instance, to give young women a morning after pill who did not have prescriptions. So I took action to preserve the sanctity of life. But I did not violate my word, of course.
Romney's answers to an April 2002 questionnaire from a NARAL chapter were unequivocal. Romney said he would oppose attempts to change state laws, either by adding new restrictions on abortion or by easing existing ones. He expressed support for Medicaid finding for the procedure, efforts to expand access to emergency contraception, and the restoration of state funding for family-planning and teen pregnancy prevention programs. He also said he supported comprehensive sex education in public schools and would oppose "'abstinence-only' sexuality education programs." "The truth is, no candidate in the governor's race in either party would deny women abortion rights," he wrote. "So let's end an argument that does not exist."
2011 GOP Primary Debate / Mass: People have had a chance to look at my record and look what I've said. I believe people understand that I'm firmly pro-life. I will support justices who believe in following the Constitution and not legislating from the bench. And I believe in the sanctity of life from the very beginning until the very end.
Romney had taken positions in Massachusetts that were anathema to the conservative base, particularly on abortion and gay rights. Running against Ted Kennedy in 1994, Romney had declared himself a supporter of a woman's right to choose on abortion, and claimed he would do more for gay rights than Kennedy. Then he changed positions on abortion and gay rights.
I ABSOLUTELY KNOW where the Willard stands ... in the middle of a pool of quicksand.
Obama / Biden 2012!
Yeah, bubba, I know. Which is the same reason it will never happen. Many people, of all religions and political persuasions, never learn that value.
From Congress and Mitt Romney, who are collectively trying to defund Planned Parenthood altogether.
Change the name, but the ignorant, disgusting, misogynistic comments stay the same.
How do these morons get elected?
This idiot doesn't even know his Hispanic child and his Native American child are Caucasian. Though maybe that's what he meant. Maybe it's more of this racism thing the wingnuts on the far right keep hollering about Obama.
So riddle me this: How does a man of mixed race behave as a racist? How would he do that?
"Pro-lifers" (such a hypocritical name) have to take responsibility for the GOP's push to do away with ALL abortions, even in cases of rape and incest, even when the health or the life of the mother is in danger.
Women have had abortions for thousands of years and making abortion illegal or more difficult to obtain is not going to change that, ever.
You want to cut down on abortion? Then make the bearing and raising of children easier for mothers and families. Promote healthcare for women! Promote affordable childcare! Promote education! Promote jobs! Promote contraception!
DUH.
Just when you think the GOP has run out of strange utterances and the idiots to spew them .....
GOP = The Rats in the Attic Party
Bubba: "Anna I'm sorry this is a law that can't be written, it is a law that is taught and known. You learn responsibility, you learn to take care of your family, you know how to love and care."
ARE YOU INSANE? Until that law IS written--please mind your own business and stay out of women's bodies. They are not your "incubators!" I find it disgusting and very telling that you'd even WRITE those words down! OH WHAT A GIVEAWAY!
You refuse to enact any laws protecting the woman's interests but women are just supposed to believe that men know and practice their "responsibilities," will "take care of their families," "know how to love and care"???!!! Have you looked around you? What planet do you live on? I ask again: are you insane?
Don't answer. Your previous posts have already done so!
He's wrong about PP -- they are equal opportunity killers. Bearing of children easier?? LOL guess to do that you would need to put the woman in a coma as she goes into labor and wake her up when the kid is housebroken! That's a stupid statement. As far as raising children, when you decide to keep your child and raise it you are responsible, not the government. If the unwed have children then they are breastfeeding at the taxpayers teet. I'm sick of paying for someone else's irresponsibility.
Tiggle: "If men had to carry babies, you can damn sure believe abortion would be legal and readily available"
If men got pregnant--abortion would be a SACRAMENT! If men don't want babies--either zip it--or use a condom! Problem solved! If they want the baby--enter into a legal contract with the mother. Again problem solved!
Tea-Republicans = Christian Taliban
Please remember, if any religion supports abortion rights, that religion may die as that particular group doesn't procreate.
To keep the cash flowing, today's religion requires people to avoid contraception and procreate as often as possible. This way it grows and becomes more abundant and, yes, more powerful.
It wasn't that long ago that Catholics were the savages and the evils they did to non-believers were beyond comprehension - far, far worse than an early term abortion or the day after pill.
Seems our fearless GOP, God loving leaders have stricken those atrocities from their memories or never learned them in the first place.
Hey Rep. Huelskamp, if your drug is making you paranoid and delusional, you should stop smoking it!
Gwaddammit!, this republican bullsh^t is really getting old. Half assed Congressman Huelskamp: Planned parenthood doesn't force anyone to do anything. Women in this country are not forced to use birth control. Women in this country are not forced to have an abortion. Women make their choice. Gwaddamn!, "Congressman Half Ass", who knows more about those choices, and the reasons supporting them, than the women who make those choices, either way? You've adopted several children of various ethnicities you say. Good for you. Now, go about the efforts of raising them, and keep your hands and head from between the thighs of the rest of Americas women. Your behavior, and all others like you is damned unseemly!
Spider: "The total disregard for innocent, defenseless human life, simply for the "convenience" of women who can't seem to keep their legs crossed or take a pill, is disgusting."
NO! What's really disgusting is blaming all women because MEN CAN'T KEEP IT ZIPPED!!! If men could keep it zipped--all the women in the world could spread their legs wide open--and there would be NO pregnancy! Until that happens, STFU please, sir! Nothing like blaming your victim, is there? What about men taking some PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY--huh?
If you're so darn worried about "innocent, defenseless human life" keep it zipped--or use a condom! PLEASE!
If you so worried about
I'd have to say that you're a moron because anti-discrimination laws protect EVERYONE, therefore whites do have a role in creating the legislation. Men, however, still can't get pregnant.
You know, don't get me wrong. If religion is your thing and you enjoy it, have at it. Nobody will chastise you for believing.
My point is that religion is also a way to control the masses and politicians use it that tool very well.
Do good in your life. Be nice to others and play fair. Isn't that what we all really want?
As for abortion, it is a choice like everything else in our lives. It is a powerful tool that must be used wisely and only when necessary. It is up to the individual or the couple's (or sometimes the parent's) discretion to make their own life choices and what they feel is best.
Romney believes the States should have more say for the choices each State needs to make even if it means the Feds don't agree. All we are saying is that the person should have the right to make their own choice even if the higher powers don't agree. If God exists, you burn in hell. If not, nobody really knows and that's the chance you take.
Number of abortions in 2009 by race just in New York City
Black 40,798
Hispanic 28,364
White 9,853
Asian 5,212
Other 349
Source NYC Department of Health
Sco Mata: Most relevant post on here.
It is not really a debate on abortion, it is a statement of fact. I don't think that PP is intentionally racist, but to ignore the larger sociological issue here is ignorant.
Maxwell,
Zipping it is one thing but just as he enters without a condom, she is letting him (assuming we are not talking about rape) with the trust or hope that he will pull out or she won't get pregnant if he doesn't.
Consensual sex is an agreement between two people. If she gets pregnant, they are both responsible for the pregnancy.
However, it is the woman who carries and historically cares for the child even if the father skips town. This is a huge burden and responsibility. To avoid this, women can take the extra step to make sure he uses a condom, or be on the pill, or use a spermicide, or patch, or other deterrent. I don't mean to make it sound like it is only her responsibility as it isn't, but it does affect her much more than him should she get pregnant.
I would laugh at you GOP people who can't handle "Freedom for All" in our country except it is so sad. You want your religious beliefs (true or not) to run everyone else's lives. You want Free Speech when it benefits you but you hate a left leaning blog because you don't have one over at FAUX news to post on. You know if it seems strange it usually is and your hypocricy is very strange. Actually, I think you as well as the left should be very scared of what that hidden agenda of the ultra wealthy sponsors of the GOP are pushing. Something is very scary here so when you vote for your own rep you better ask some pointed questions or vote for the side you can trust because it is strange, very strange when they spend that much money with what in exchange?? Can you tell me?? I don't think so.
<-- feels dreadfully sorry for anyone who marries (or who was married to) bubba.
DOTTIESGIRL
If the unwed have children then they are breastfeeding at the taxpayers teet. I'm sick of paying for someone else's irresponsibility.
Sweetie you have pi$$ed me off I am an unwed mother but here's your SUPRISE I work and have my OWN money and education Mommy & Daddy didn't do $hit for me NOR did you sweet pea. I am Catholic (sarcastic intent) and don't believe in marriage my mother has been married to 3 losers and had 6 kids that I took care of for her so don't put such a generalized statement out there because it makes you look ignorant and unless you have earned an income from birth I seriously doubt you pay for EVERYONE B!tch... Oh and by the way their father told me to tell you to mind your own children and stop trying to force marriage on those who are content to live and let live
Marbles(less)
PP would be racist if guilty of one or more:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
So tell me, how is PP "unintentionally" racist? So they force black women to get abortion? Do they deny abortion to white women? Do they advertise that white race is superior? Which one?
ScoMata1964
world.idooicracy
The voting on the civil rights bill was closely correlated to one thing: region. Southerners mostly voted against, Northern and Westerners mostly voted for.
And yes, many Southern Democrats DID become Republicans.
so how does that prove that PP is racist? Because this article is about a claim that PP is racist.
Planned Parenthood, Its 2011 fact sheet says it performed 332,278 abortion procedures in 2009. That would mean that roughly one out of every 10 clients received an abortion.
@Bayllie "And yes, many Southern Democrats DID become Republicans." Where is your proof? Give me some links. Would you like to know how many became Democrats? You would be surprised.
Actually the Dixiecrats all eased back into the Democrat Party.
This guy's from Kansas. Akin is from neighboring Missouri... as is Rush Limbaugh. Both states have idiots for Reps. I moved to Kansas City (on the border of both states) 15 years ago.... heeeeeelllllppppp!!!!
@Bayllie,
Robert Byrd (D-WV)
Dixiecrat Nays: 20
Harry Byrd (D-VA)
James Eastland (D-MS)
Allen Ellender (D-LA)
Sam Ervin (D-NC)
William Fulbright (D-AR)
Albert Gore Sr. (D-TN)
Lister Hill (D-AL)
Spessard Holland (D-FL)
Olin Johnston (D-SC)
Everett Jordan (D-NC)
Russell Long (D-LA)
John McClellan (D-AR)
Willis Robertson (D-VA)
Richard Russell (D-GA)
George Smathers (D-FL)
John Sparkman (D-AL)
John Stennis (D-MS)
Herman Talmadge (D-GA)
Strom Thurmond (D-SC)
Herbert Walters (D-TN)
The only one of these to switch was Strom...from the Senate. The rest were Democrats for life.
Interestingly, of the 26 known Dixiecrats (5 governors and 21 senators) only three ever became republicans: Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms and Mills E. Godwind, Jr. The segregationists in the Senate, on the other hand, would return to their party and fight against the Civil Rights acts of 1957, 1960 and 1964
I can give you all the facts you want on the Dixiecrats.
Fiesty,
Whats the difference if the government directly pays for the abortion or if they FORCE insurance companies to do it for them?
And bye the way, their are just as many pro-life women as there are men. Ever ask a Nun what her opinion is on the matter?
Thirdly. You are one of the most consistently mean spirited posters on this site. You are so hard left and full of piss and vinegar, it is hard to take you seriously. You're cut from the same clothe as the Tea Baggers, just from the other side of it.
Well we're 143 comments into this thread and though I have not read every single one, I wonder how many posters actually worked for Planned Parenthood. While in college I spent a summer working for PP of Chicago in their graphic arts department, We generated posters, pamphlets, and any and all graphic arts materials for this office. As orientation they had us sit in on teenage sexuality education classes where female teenagers from mostly the inner city were given information on pregnancy, sexuality and birth control. I learned that most of these girls got none of this information from their parents or schools and were wildly ignorant of even the most simple facts of sexuality. Some of these girls literally had no clue as to how women became pregnant. Some thought that french kissing their boyfriend could get them pregnant. My point is that Planned Parenthood was a prime source of honest, accurate information on youthful sexuality and birth control and as such went a long way in preventing unwanted pregnancies and thus lowered the possibility that these young girls would ever resort to abortion. Planned Parenthood was and is a great organization and all the filthy and slanderous lies of all the sick, evil and brain dead republikan congressmen can't change that. I still donate to PP and I urge all intelligent Americans to do the same.
Mister Feisty Redhead says:
Hmmmmm, but in the same breath you force them to legislate contraceptives for your recreational sex?
As far as abortion is concerned. Isn’t it funny how Liberals will advocate less punishment and greater freedom for Death Row rapists and murderers but will sit by idly as millions of babies are brutally slaughtered in their own mothers womb for a crime they never committed?
The only war on women is the war you heap on yourselves.
PERIOD!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
You realize that those statistics support what Huelskamp said, don't you?
Imagine a mighty nation that permits idiots such as this man to rise through the ranks to actually hold one of the highest offices in the land. Imagine a major political party that funds and stages rallies for such a Neanderthal. Now close your eyes and imagine the enormous progress we might have had without such fools and his party to impede that progress.
Please remember these thoughts as you fulfill your most crucial civic duty as an American citizen on election day 2012.
You can put a political spin on anything. You cannot erase history. The promise of civil rights legislation was a major theme of the 1960 JFK campaign. After Kennedy's assassination in 1963, his successor proclaimed that passing the legislation was to be the proper tribute to our fallen President.
" President Johnson (D) signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 into law on July 2, 1964. Legend has it that, as he put down his pen, Johnson told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation", anticipating a coming backlash from Southern whites against Johnson's Democratic Party. Moreover, Richard Nixon (R) politically counterattacked with the Southern Strategy where it would "secure" votes for the Republican Party by grabbing the advocates of segregation as well as most of the Southern Dixiecrats."
(The Scene: RNC Headquarters, Washington, D.C.)
"Oh, no! Citizen Romney's campaign is going to hell in a handbag! What do we do, Reince?"
"Gentlemen, it's time for a diversion! Send in the Clowns!! Kansas first, then Texas."
(Much general congratulating, handshaking, lighting of Cuban cigars ensues.)
My friend in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, majoring in law, sent me this seemingly-sarcastic text message:
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"When they start talking about how supposedly "racial" Planned Parenthood is, it makes you wonder what kind of Republicans came up with that remark! Thus, I'm waiting for the Religious Right Tea Partiers in political power to declare the private use of ALL forms of contraception, and all forms of SEX as CRIMINAL FELONIES, unless it guarantees the birth of a Caucasian baby within U.S. borders, from parents that took christian marital vows, with their family's lineage going back to the pilgrims. Then they can brag how racially patriotic they are in helping to push back the incoming tide of American minorities and legal immigrants into this country. "
To coin a much used phrase - when you look at Conservative Right-Wing Republicans today you can't help but thinking that "THE INMATES HAVE TAKEN OVER THE ASYLUM"!
There really needs to be an intelligence test done on candidates before they can get on the ballot.
That's true to an extent, the only input (pun intended) the man has is the sex act. We do not tell women that they must accept pregnancy, childbirth, or parenthood simply because they had sex, and we shouldn't be saying it to men either. Men should have their own voice in whether or not they accept parental responsibility, otherwise it is gender discrimination.
That the Republicans act so cavalierly toward Individual Liberty is frightening, and I stand up for the rights of any citizen with the hope that they will also stand up for mine.
Oops! there goes another patriotic Republican spouting garbage that Paul Ryan missed while he repeatedly said President Obama is dividing America.
Where is Paul Ryan anyways? Calling the President a Strawman now? Not the POTUS?
Who's dividing America again, Mr. Ryan?
Hint: Look at your party's platform.
It looks like Republicans are now pulling out all the stops. I take that as a really good sign...they must be either totally desperate (and who wouldn't be, with Romney as your man), or just plain regular nuts (which is the way I lean myself). And that is no way to win an election, folks. Rasmussen had Romney up by like six last week. Now they show him as up by two. Every single other national poll out there shows Obama with a significant lead. Rasmussen was wrong with their results just prior to the last presidential election...and it looks like they are now going for the streak.
Romney is a tool who's going to get greased by Obama at the debates. I can hardly wait to see him slip on his own pool of flop sweat. It's one thing to speak as Governor, or at a conservative gathering. It's quite another to get up on national TV to speak against the sitting POTUS, who isn't exactly short on confidence or intelligence.
Mitt ain't fit. Simple as that.
Just a reminder - the number of abortions decrease under Democrat policies, and increase under Republican policies. Check the facts over the last 60 years. I would far rather prefer birth control and counseling, as opposed to abstinence only an no birth control education.
Abortion has terrible effects on people's lives, I would rather every woman choose to give birth, than abort a baby. But I am unwilling to force my beliefs on any woman who has to make that choice.
ZMan~
"va jay jay?" What the hell is that? You're so intimidated by a woman and her body you can't even bring yourself to type the word? What do you do when you have one in front of you? Never mind, I don't want to know.
If men with this attitude would keep their 'pee pee' in their pants instead of trying to thrust it into every woman they see, we wouldn't have such a problem. It's time to stop blaming women for their lustful lack of control.
You can damn sure bet if men gave birth, there would be no debate on this issue. Men would DEMAND choice.
Wjat happened to the once proud GOP? Reasonable republican lawmakers are ducking for cover or kissing the teaboggers ass. I hope after they lose the upcoming election they come to their senses. If they do not, I honestly thimk they will be irrelavent for a generation
Where do they find these idiots at. Huelskamp was identified by ThinkProgress as the number-one anti-gay GOP lawmaker in the house.
Maybe he and his wife want's to adopt 4 more children of color. This is probably his attempt to brainwash children of color into his way of thinking?
I'm all for that. As long as the voters have to take the same test. That would be the end of the Democratic party.
Domenico Montanaro is just another Far Right Wing Nut Job.
No babies have ever been killed during an abortion, ever, not one. The fetus is removed during an abortion. A fetus is no more sentient than an appendix.
The objection to abortion is entirely religious. Just another instance of Republican trying to force their religious beliefs down everyone's throat. There are plenty of countries where this type of government exists; Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Yemen.
Too all, I have been married for 30 years, the choice to have children or not have children was between two people. Not morons! we choose not too!
The left is going to repeat this like caffeinated parrots.
kannin The left is going to repeat this like caffeinated parrots.
Do you have a problem with that? Your party keeps sticking its head up its own a$$ on a everyday basis. If that were a Democrat you guys would be on it like stink on s#it. Its a shame your republican/tea party vilifies Planned Parenthood. Again the republican/tea party lies about the services of Planned Parenthood. With all the lies the republican/tea party say about Planned Parenthood it tarnish's your illusion of being christian. I always thought christians didn't lie because there god would punish them. You know something like sending them to hell.
Kannin - maybe next time you should elect more intelligent representatives. Then the left would have fewer dumb statements to attribute to them!
Obama/Biden 2012
...learned it from the right.
Yes, we will repeat it, because Obama could use a 20 point lead over Romney with women rather than the 16 point lead he now enjoys.
"A Republican member of Congress" - stop right there, we already know whatever follows will be incendiary, ignorant, nonsensical and untrue.
To gain some perspective one might want to read their history books and focus on the section on eugenics and then look at the leaders of various organizations and the view on that subject. Do a little study so you will know what you are talking about, your head might hurt for a while but you will be wiser for doing some research.
Now, now. we all know that accurately quoting someone in context is an unfair compaign tactic that we Democrats use all the time. Darn us to heck.
Republicans: Fact-check free in 2012!
TO: Amy B. Portland, ME who wrote:
No, come on now, you KNOW that it is "true", and THAT's the part that bothers you the most!
Obama/Biden 2012
The right wing is becoming unhinged right before our eyes. I have never seen a political party lose market share so rapidly, and then start talking about 'legitimate rape' and 'baby killers', thinking this would convince everyone they are the ones to trust.
I don't care how many abortions Planned Parenthood performs or pays for.......men need to butt out of this conversation. To any males out there who don't like abortion....quit having sex.
Democrats - "How dare those Republicans label someone or something racist, only we can do that! Next thing you know they will want to start labeling others as "extreme" too. We own all inflammatory devisive labels!!!"
Wow, he sounds like a closet democrat...just like many Repubs out there who switched after Obama got elected....
Sooner or later he's gonna have to come out....
Bubba: " I have my rights too"....Actually, Bubs, your rights end when you make the choice to drop your pants. Your rights end where the woman's rights begin. No one says you have to like it.
And someone else might read some history concerning the lengths women have gone to for birth control and abortions. Someone might educate themselves on how women were in butchered before Roe v Wade.
Do some of your own research.
Christine No his rights would begin when you drop your pants for the man, it's called permission!!! A contract can also be a hand shake, in that case it would be ????
Bubba: "Christine No his rights would begin when you drop your pants for the man, it's called permission!!! A contract can also be a hand shake, in that case it would be ????"
Dream on, babycakes...
If you don't give permission then it's rape!!! sweet-cakes!! You fun to blog with but I have to leave like you opinion!!! Keep going SC!!!
Vagina outrage! Don't tell me who I can share my vagina with! I alone am responsible for that! Good. Then be responsible for that, you, alone.
And now a word from the Founder of Planned Parenthood:
"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying
... demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism ...
[Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the
world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of
others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead
weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the
stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world,
it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant ... We are paying
for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing,
unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born
at all."
-- Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization , 1922. Chapter on "The
Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library
edition.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Can these idiots sink any lower in their cess-pool? What part of men having NO business legislating women's reproductive rights don't these clowns comprehend! The day they can give birth, is the day they will be allowed a seat at the table! PERIOD! Ladies? Are we going to stand by and allow this?
Actually "Feisty" –For way too many years women have had all the rights where children were concerned. At this point in time – if a woman chooses to have a baby, the man has no say and for that he gets to pay child support for 18+ years. Even if he wants the child, the chances of his getting custody are slim. His only option is to marry the "mother."
So, as a woman – I believe that for as long as it remains that way, men have every right to be at the table. However, if women want to give up the hold they currently have on men's wallets, I'm willing to allow that it should be our choice. I will still believe that it is murder, but if that's what you want to do, you should have the right to do so.
justice,
a vasectomy would help with your problem
Thank you justice......I've been saying this for years. Of course, I've been getting yelled at for saying it, but who cares.
It's sick that a man can be forced to pay because he is obviously responsible, but cannot have a say as to whether or not his child gets to live because it's obviously not his problem. What?
Also, just to irritate the pro murder group out here today, abortion = murder, and women should not have any rights that include murder. Anyone who disagrees should just go abort themselves.
This just in from the Founder of Planned Parenthood:
"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if
it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
-- Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255
Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts
"Lori W-2777522
justice,a vasectomy would help with your problem"
You are either illiterate or you need biology lessons sweetie. As I said, I’m female. But I’ve watched what some other women have done and it’s wrong.
If women truly wanted to have control over their bodies they would ensure they didn’t get pregnant. Abstinence is an option, so is tubal ligation, or just plain old birth control or try a hysterectomy. If women are too stupid to do any of those, there isn’t much hope for them. Abortion isn’t an answer to a problem, it’s a means of covering up where you were incredibly irresponsible. And no, that’s not directed at women who have been raped, just those who think sex is a recreational sport. I do think there should be options for those who are raped. I’m not sure that abortion should be one of those but since I’ve never been in that position, I’m not about to tell them they shouldn’t.
A post above warned that "Obamacare" ...
...requires all persons enrolled in insurance plans that include elective abortion coverage to pay "an abortion premium."
Please note that PoliFact says that is False.
You aren't a woman. No woman would EVER say this. Because nearly ALL women know, no matter what their socioeconomic, marital or any other status that getting a man to pay for a child he fathered unless he wants to is nearly impossible. Sure the courts will tell him to and threaten him, but they won't hunt him down. They won't do anything even if the mother provides his address.
This is a man's fantasy of how the world could work on a really bad day. The fact is there are more judges who are old white conservative men than there are liberal judges who think men should pony up for what they've done.
And hey... NO ONE should be having sex in this day and age without a condom. It's time men took a little responsibility for where they dip their wick...
TO: pjam09 who wrote:
Republicans also created non-stop-hate-speech-filled-with-lies, and Republicans STILL use it EVERYDAY!
Obama/Biden 2012
mj-1451595
You aren't a woman. No woman would EVER say this. Because nearly ALL women know, no matter what their socioeconomic, marital or any other status that getting a man to pay for a child he fathered unless he wants to is nearly impossible. Sure the courts will tell him to and threaten him, but they won't hunt him down. They won't do anything even if the mother provides his address. This is a man's fantasy of how the world could work on a really bad day. The fact is there are more judges who are old white conservative men than there are liberal judges who think men should pony up for what they've done. And hey... NO ONE should be having sex in this day and age without a condom. It's time men took a little responsibility for where they dip their wick...
Wrong. I am female and there are a lot of us out there that feel this same way. I’m not saying men don’t have some responsibility, they do – take two after all. What I am saying is that women should not be allowed to make a decision that impacts someone else’s life without consulting them.
As to child support – I was married, divorced and fought with the biological father for 10 years over child support. He did pay because he wasn’t given a choice and I have an uncle who spent 3 years in jail because he refused to pay his child support and it served him right. So yeah it is enforced. However, men still end up with the raw end of the deal – they rarely get custody. They end up being visitors in their children’s lives and often the woman either refuses to allow him to see his children or she uses his right as a club to get him to “obey” her every wish.
As much as it pains me to admit it, there are many losers in our gender. About as many as there are in the male gender.
TO: justicenonexistent who wrote:
Justice, I don't think anybody here believes you. They may SEEM to only be typewritten words on a screen, but attitude DOES come through, and people can tell things.
@justicenonexistent
Thank you for having a rational discussion. Unfortunately so many people are incapable of this. When I was in my early 20s (21-22) I was vehemently pro choice. I had been date raped at the age of 19 by a man who later died of AIDS. Luckily, I did not become pregnant or contract the disease that he was already infected with. (perhaps my body 'shut it down') But after my experience, I became very anti man and pro abortion for a few years. Then, when I was about 23, I went on a job interview for a Women's Health Clinic. It was NOT Planned Parenthood by any stretch of the imagination. A full 80% of the business for this so called "clinic" was abortions. I did NOT know this when I applied for the "back office" position. Part of the job interview was to "assist" in an abortion. Their reasoning was that they were sometimes short handed and needed assistance from the back office.
So...putting my beliefs to the test, I "assisted". By assisting, it was my job to talk calmly to the woman undergoing the procedure. There were two patients scheduled for the time period I was there. A terrified 16 year old girl and a very calm woman in her early 30s. I was placed with the woman. During the "assist" she told me that she had an abortion about once every two years because it was cheaper than birth control. That statement shocked me then and it still does (21 years later) Between her cavalier attitude and what I saw (and quite honestly...heard) that day, my attitude changed. I am still pro choice but only because I truly believe abortion needs to be kept legal and relatively safe. Making abortion illegal will never stop it. Needless to say, I did not accept the position when it was offered to me. (Oh and just in case you were wondering, I am not anti man any longer. Met the RIGHT man and have been happily married for 14 years with a 12 year old daughter) I have often wondered if I had been placed with the terrified girl if my attitude would still have changed.
Like you, I do NOT tell others what they can and cannot do. But, I, myself could not have an abortion.
Yeah, like many of us know those of you claiming to know the sex of posters, or that claim things such as"everyone knows" or "everyone believes" or claim you speak "for everyone" are self-righteous, self-centered, jerks. Many of us believe abortion is murder, it has absolutely nothing to do with the wish to deprive or restrict "women's rights".
Who is paying for our prisons? If you blow second hand smoke in my face and I get cancer who pays the price? I don't ask for your smoke but it happens. Fortunately less and less these days but the actions of one person can affect us all. Do you support the death penalty? That actually is very expensive and since I oppose the death penalty should I refuse to pay taxes or whine and complain that a few of my tax dollars go to kill people? It is part of living in a society among other people. We take the bad with the good. We try and nurture the good in people but sometimes it doesn't work and so we bite the bullet and spend what we need to spend for the betterment of all of our society and not just a greedy, selfish few.
Personally I am pro-life but I also believe it is not my decision as to what a woman does with her body. I would rather pay a few cents more, yes only a few cents per tax payer, to ensure that if she does decide the unthinkable that she does it in a clean, well lighted place, by trained and licened medical professionals rather than in a dark alley with a coat hanger.
Sadly, you are 100% correct. I had no idea the extent to which racism continues to fester in the dark, filthy corners of America until I read the posts on this site. It seems fair to say the right wing isn't at all ashamed of their bigotry; instead, they celebrate it as though they are proud of the hatred, intolerance, and cruelty that marks their political ideology. Their agenda of unmitigated and unrepentant hate is evident in their dishonest and incoherent posts just as clearly as white-power swastikas and burning crosses sear their contemptible message into America's collective consciousness. Their party will lose resoundingly in November and yet they will scratch their heads through their pointy hats and they will wonder why it happened. It does no good to shame them because they lack the integrity and personal character to understand the concept, but they can rest assured normal Americans are ashamed of, and for, them.
President Obama in November! He is our only rational choice!
The Right-wing in America always lies about everything. Period. They know that there's no other way to pave the road to neo-fascism.
A blogger on the NewsVine posted the following comment about the GOP Tea Party engaging in voter suppression tactics in 22 states, as well as their aversion to fact-checking whatever they say ...and I couldn't have said it better:
" If they have to lie and cheat to win elections, then their ideas must really suck. "
Speaking of caffeinated parrots...how is Rush, anyway?
Feisty,
The Value Voters Summit today will be full of nothing of value for the average American.
Northstar,
I'm listening to Lyin/Ryan right now!
For someone who hates the evil gubment the way he does, he sure has no problem collecting a check & full benefits from it!
Hyprocritical, lying right wing parasite!
Did you hear what Ryan said about women's issues Feisty? And I quote "Women's issues shouldn't be decided by judges or courts or women, women's issues should be decided by male politicians like me elected to office".
Mo,
Which is one more reason this tea bagging ideologue scares the crap out of me!
When this guy said this was he wearing a white robe with a pointy hat?
Hey Mo I see you put that in quoats Please point us to the speech that was in
Wow, openminded, you're a funny guy.
No Eric, but he was sitting on a stool over in the corner of the classroom, wearing a pointy hat with the letters D-U-N-C-E on it.
Obviously, somewhere in Kansas there is a village that misplaced their idiot.......
openminded, you will not find that in a speech by Ryan. It is one more attempt to inflame the left. It is one more example of some who will say anything with no regard to the truth.
Hey openminded Goggle Ryan speech to social conservatives. It was today. Good luck. Oh Contreras jrl.
Mo 681 - Thank you for proving the gullibility and hatefulness of liberals.
P.S.
Eric - "When this guy said this was he wearing a white robe with a pointy hat?"
Ryan is not a Democrat, so no he wasn't, in fact he never even said that. MO was wearing one when he typed it though.
It doesn't matter rather Ryan said those exact words or not. Anything he has said since being chosen VP candidate has been a lie. from President Obama's Medicare plan to running in a marathon in record time, to lying about requesting stimulus money for his district. I'm not sure who the bigger liar is Romney or Ryan.
Dan Rudy - it doesn't matter? So facts don't count. Got it. Biggest liar is who?
TO: alim-2810059 who wrote:
Paul "Lyin" Ryan and Mitt Robme.
Interesting links: http://hillbuzz.org/is-barack-obama-gay
http://hillbuzz.org/is-barack-obama-gay
Wonder how long it takes to delete this? The screams and insults from the left should start immediately (although why should they care they claim it's normal), although all I am doing is posting a couple of links. Not even accusing him of anything as the left likes to do to people who disagree with them.
The American right-wing always lies about everything. Period. They know that an honest portrayal of their true agenda will eliminate them as a national party. They know that there's no other way to pave the road to neo-fascism.
James: Taxpayers may not pay for the alcohol for the alcoholic, but they do pay for treatment for them! Get a clue!
How sad you are Mo. While some with different opinions try to share ideas, you resort to the vile lies that tries to pass for facts. Every person, regardless of their political persuasion, should push people like you out of the public forum.
James:: You asked "Why should Americans pay for womens abortions? It is not against the law to have an abortion, but if you don't believe in that why should you have to assist with it?"
Why should Americans pay for guys Viagra or Cialis? Why should I have to pay for somebody's brats to go to school? Yes, I pay taxes for somebody's brats to go to school. Why should I-- I don't have any brats in school here but I have to pay school taxes. My great-grandchildren don't even live in the same state as I do.
I think Bob Barker had it right-- SPAY and NEUTER. That applies to humans too.
And BTW James, if you had a brain one-- or if it were between your ears-- you would have known that Sandra Fluke was NOT speaking of birth control pills for herself. She has a female friend who needed the MEDICATION that birth control pills has to keep her ovarian cancer under control. She couldn't afford the MEDICATION so she lost an ovary to CANCER.
I think you are putting too dam much importance on the subject of men-- especially when it comes to regulating a woman's body.
Planned Parenthood forces nothing on anyone. Neanderthal social conservatives would force their views on every body. Now that is a functional definition for rape.
SteveR - "Neanderthal social conservatives would force their views on every body"
Funny, who is it that decided the every living person in the U.S. has to purchase healthcare insurance? ... you got the Neanderthal and social part right.
SteveR - "Neanderthal social conservatives would force their views on every body"
Now, Steve, that's an insult to Neandertals everywhere.
pjam09: "Funny, who is it that decided the every living person in the U.S. has to purchase healthcare insurance? ... you got the Neanderthal and social part right."
I have been "forced" to pay for health care for over 40 years; Medicare. I didn't object because I knew that I would, eventually, receive the benefits. If Robme is elected I will never benefit for all the years I have worked and paid into the system (I'm 4 years from eligibility). I have NO health care coverage of my own for a few reasons ... a pre-existing condition, which got me declined or made the premiums over twice the amount of my monthly mortgage payment but still included exclusions for my 'pre-existing' condition.
Before you start with your "socialist" crap, let me ask you something ... do you like having a military? a police force? a fire department? Public library? a highway / roads department? Those are all "SOCIALIST" programs ... they take money from the workers, toss it in a pot and create programs beneficial to all the citizens. Well, access to quality health care is just as important as libraries, police, paved roads or fire prevention. The ONLY reason we haven't had it previously was because the insurance lobby has bought and paid our "representatives" in Washington to look out for THEIR interests instead of ours.
Ask yourself this ... why is it okay for our tax dollars to be used to pay for the health care insurance of ALL THOSE HOLDING GOVERNMENT JOBS (politicians, police, teachers, firemen, DOT workers, game commission, and on and on and on); they are ALL sucking off my taxpaying teat, but yet you believe that it is NOT okay for the working Americans to have the same benefits?
Why do YOU want to continue to be an economic slave to THEM, assuring that THEY, and their families, are healthy and well-cared for and the rest of us are not? Oh, wait ... maybe it's because you are one of them!
Uhh, steve, you guys are forcing me to fund your fundamentals (killing babies). So, I guess it's ok when you do it?
I have been forced to purchase health insurance all my life because I dont want to lose everything if I get sick-even though I probably still will. I rather like working and being half-responsible if at all possible. And another thing, If I ever want to have an abortion you can be sure I wont be asking some jack-a$$ Representative's permission.
In the middle:
You aren't being forced to pay anything related to pregnancy and abortion. This has been discussed and proven many times in your previous "discussions."
Huelskamp and the rest of the Republican pieces of garbage represent the absolute worst America has to offer. Any woman who votes for this disgraceful Republican ticket is a self-hating moron (and any man who votes for this utterly worthless Republican ticket is an ignorant, brainwashed sheep).
Although it's a true statement that Planned Parenthood was originally created for the sole purpose of killing minority babies, the politicians on both sides need to put this abortion stuff on the back burner and focus on the number one issue: the economy.
PP was created to provide birth control and family planning services when they were available nowhere else, and this remains a large part of its mission. Unless you consider providing birth control to be "killing babies", you are way off base.
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, on blacks, immigrants and indigents: "....'human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization
Regardless of Margaret Sanger's views on race, which are not in any way represented in the PP of today, PP was created to provide birth control and family planning services when they were available nowhere else. And it still remains a large part of its mission.
So your statement is patently false.
I'm no fan of Sanger's views on race and eugenics, though interestingly, she was supported in her time by the African-American community, who saw the need for the services she was promoting (which, to reiterate, never included abortion, which Sanger actually opposed).
Like many people, no like all people, Sanger leaves a complex legacy; but one thing is for sure, her support and strong promotion of family planning and the ability of women and families to be able to control the size of their families was both groundbreaking and important.
Any way you slice it, though, your assertion is totally unfounded and absurd.
myopinion, whatever you need to tell yourself. But there is NOTHING "patenly false," "unfounded," or "absurd" with my "assertion." My first comment stated the reasons PP was originally created and my second comment was a direct quote from Sanger herself. No lies.
Oscar, your point, its been a 100 years since the founding of PP, and we all know about the South and the Eugenics policies, including syphilis experiments, don't hear you criticising those endeavors, conducted what 60 70 years ago. Times have changed, but certainly not attitudes of the right, evidenced by akin and this Kansas moron, akin's just as nasty evil twin.
obama 2012
Your second quote is correct (well I don't know for sure it's a direct quote but it does represent one facet of Margaret Sanger).
Your first statement, about why PP was originally created, remains patently false, for all the reasons I have stated above; if you can't be bothered to respond directly to those points, I can't be bothered to repeat them for a third time.
Have a great day.
1. Planned Parenthood was founded for CONTRACEPTION. They didn't even provide abortions until after Margaret Sanger's death.
2. "There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts. She, like we, saw the horrifying conditions of ghetto life. Like we, she knew that all of society is poisoned by cancerous slums. Like we, she was a direct actionist — a nonviolent resister. She was willing to accept scorn and abuse until the truth she saw was revealed to the millions. At the turn of the century she went into the slums and set up a birth control clinic, and for this deed she went to jail because she was violating an unjust law. Yet the years have justified her actions. She launched a movement which is obeying a higher law to preserve human life under humane conditions. Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision; for without them there would have been no beginning. Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her. Negroes have no mere academic nor ordinary interest in family planning. They have a special and urgent concern....The Negro constitutes half the poor of the nation. Like all poor, Negro and white, they have many unwanted children. This is a cruel evil they urgently need to control. There is scarcely anything more tragic in human life than a child who is not wanted. That which should be a blessing becomes a curse for parent and child. There is nothing inherent in the Negro mentality which creates this condition. Their poverty causes it. When Negroes have been able to ascend economically, statistics reveal they plan their families with even greater care than whites. Negroes of higher economic and educational status actually have fewer children than white families in the same circumstances.....For these constructive movements we are prepared to give our energies and consistent support; because in the need for family planning, Negro and white have a common bond; and together we can and should unite our strength for the wise preservation, not of races in general, but of the one race we all constitute — the human race."
- Dr Martin Luther King, Jr., May 1966
As MLK made clear, this IS an economic issue. Without giving people better control over when to become parents, people can never break out of the poverty trap and we all suffer.
skyparrot - "Oscar, your point, its been a 100 years since the founding of PP, and we all know about the South and the Eugenics policies,"
Wow, you are clueless. Why is it that liberals are so uneducated AND willing to open their ouths and prove their own ignorance?
CALIFORNIA had the biggest eugenics program in American history, it was so good that the Nazis used it as a model for it's own program. Get an education instead of trying to pretend that history actually matches the idiotic liberal B.S. you have been spoonfed.
Your eyes only appear brown, don't they, Oscar Rules?
Never met an eyewitness to their own colonoscopy, Pjam09. You should be more famous.
Regardless of which side of the abortion issue you happen to be on, Oscars actual point above is correct. Now is not the time to be worrying about this social crap. What if, instead, we focus on policies that support a stronger economy? This is what Obama should have been doing the last four years.
Michael, you win the award for stupid year to date. They need to be provided help and better control over becoming parents?!?!?! Are you freaking serious?!?!?! How is it my responsibility to keep them from having sex, or using protection? Do responsible people need to be in their bedrooms, opening the package, putting it on the tip.......you get the picture. Man, they need to take responsibility for their actions. Not me.
@middle - Not to worry, dude. No one expects you to be responsible for anything.
I can't believe Ryan just said this on TV. "Women's issues shouldn't be decided by judges or courts or women, women's rights should be decided by male politicians like me elected to office".
Y'know, I can't believe it either Mo. So much so that I have to say you have been tricked into repeating another lie made up by the Obama propaganda machine.
Source?
EngEsq - He has no source, of course. What is more disturbing is the number of “likes” this lie has received. The left seems much more concerned with the propaganda effect a statement has, than its accuracy. They don't care that it's a lie; they only care that it sounds negative to Ryan.
MO 681 - "I can't believe Ryan just said this on TV."
I can't believe you're dumb enough to think he actually did.... oh wait, yes I can.
What blathering fool are you a rereg of Kannin ?
Goggle Ryan's speech to the social conservatives EngEsq.
You should "Goggle Ryan's speech to the social conservatives" Mo - that "quote" was never said. It's just another lie from Obama's propaganda machine. And you continually repeating it just confirms that Obama's entire campaign is built on lies, repeated again and again by left-wing tools.
Mo, please provide a source. I googled and got a ton of pages back... sorting through it is difficult since I don't know which speech to look for.
If you are going to make such a damning claim, please back it up. The left generally provides much more factual information than the right, lets not loose that edge.
EngEsq,
If the claims on this site are evidence of the factual information you claim comes from the left, the left is in sad shape. All I see here all day long is each side telling bs about the other. The left seems to be a little nastier and less substantiated than the right, in my opinion.
Sigh. Here we go again.
Yup. Stunning how these goofy TeaPubs can't stop sitting down hard on their collective scrotums (scrota?) every single day of this campaign. Desperation sure speaks loudly, and in quite kooky ways, eh?
.....and even more stunning that these people are seriously contending with a man your side claims to be the best president ever. If he's so good, why do so many Americans hate him? It seems to me that a real man could bring the two sides together. It has been done before, but again, that was with a real leader at the helm.
“Besides slavery, abortion is the other darkest stain on our nation’s character,” Huelskamp told the crowd. “And this president is looking for every way possible to make abortion more available and more frequent, and he wants you to pay for it -- even if you disagree with it."
Facts be damned. History re-written. Clearly, the man is illiterate. Sadly, the folks who voted for him probably thought, "Yeah! Right on. Go get'em, those horrible Yankees who can read and write." Even more sad are the four children he's adopted who will be raised by a man steeped in such vitriol.
Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion
On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.
This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America's Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member."
Bet he is lyin about that too..........fact checker.
Birth rates of black people in the US outstrip all other races except for Asians. That is with abortion. Given the poverty that disproportionately impacts the black, imagine if the population had grown that much faster.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0080.pdf
impacts the black population, imagine if it had grown...
opps.
No one is being forced to get an abortion, regardless of color unlike forced sterilization that was practised in the South until well into the 1960's. Most of the recipients of sterilization were black. Regardless of political affiliation back then, it was mainly people of conservative bent who were for it, whether Republican or Democrat.
Things have changed. Party alignment isn't the same as it was 40-50 years ago. I do not depend on the Republicans or any conservatives to make decisions that are in my best interest. They are more for keeping the status quo for the wealthy.
Oh no! I'm white and have used Planned Parenthood. I didn't know that it's only for minorities. I'm glad this representative has shown me the real path so that I can avoid PP in the future. <smacks head>
I am assuming that, being white, if I walked in to a Planned Parenthood facility and requested an abortion that they would not turn me away and tell me they only provide abortions to poor people of color When I was younger, I went to Planned Parenthood and received a discount on birth control pills. I was poor and in no position financially or emotionally to have a child but I was in love and, well you know... I appreciated the help. Planned Parenthood has and will continue to provide a valuable service to all ladies who wish to avail themselves of their services.
An IQ score of 120 should be a requirement to get on the ballot for State or Federal positions.
This republican cult congressman is the part of the major problem.
In 2012 the best remedy is to Vote All Democrat across the board.
Blind followings have never done very well.
jd bird, there are liberal GOP who are intelligent enough to do the right thing. unfortunately, GOP are mostly conservative nut jobs who are more about controlling women like back in the "old days" rather than focusing on the present. How can controlling a woman's uterus and what an individual does in a bedroom take precedence over an economically failing nation? Maybe if we gave the GOP what they want, THEN they'll focus on something else more productive????? I'm so terribly confused. GOP want to run this nation like a theocracy, not like a democracy!!!
The intelligent ones have either left already, or are on their way out the door. See ya, Olympia...
I'll say this for the guy, he puts his money where his mouth is. Kudos to him for adopting four kids. It's always bothered me when people scream about how wrong abortion is, and how much better to have the baby and put the kid up for adoption, yet they themselves have made no effort to take in any unwanted children. I do not agree with this guy's statement, but I applaud his willingness to ACT on his beliefs instead of just preaching at people.
He's an actor, and a preacher...
You are going to praise a man for adopting 4 children and then using those children for political and ideological gain?
Robbie you've got to raise the bar.
Toredown and corona,
I would bet those 4 kids feel very differently about him than you do. That's all that matters. Your unwillingness to find the good proves your ignorance and lack of interest in the truth.
It is amazing how these politicians (all of them) open thier mouth about things they so obviously do not understand! Planned Parenthood does not use government funding to support or perform abortions. There are already laws in place to prevent that. For the most part, the government funding goes toward preventative measures - birth control, exams, education - for women who could not otherwise afford them, and administrative costs.
Every day, I get a little more disgusted with our political scene. It seems everyone will say or do anything to keep "the other party" out of power or from making any decent progress, even when doing so is to the detriment of the people they are supposed to be representing! They do not work for the people... they work for thier party and for thier donors.
This is more evidence that the Republican Party is very much out of touch with reality and in particularly woman and the struggling middle class ! Just how much more proof does the country need to see that the right-wing and republican party is dangerous for the well being of our future here in America !
dog - "the struggling middle class"
So a Republican's words are more important to you than you what you clearly know to be the reality of life under Obama's policies? Can you say "blind, party-obedient, sheep"?
No, but I can say clueless xenophobe.
Where do these retards come from? Just another teabagger bought politician brought to us by the Koch brothers! 'Merica at its finest!!
steveo, I would not expect to see that word come from a liberal, someone in the party of tolerance, you know? It is very inappropriate.
james- why should my tax dollars pay for your limp dick pills? hormone therapy is more than just birth control- if you actually had contact with a woman you don't have to blow up you might know that.
KUDOS peterforpats!
Stay out of my bedroom....until I need birth control.
So you would rather pay for 350,000 unwanted children??
Where did you take Economics 101, Whassamatta U.??
What is the black percentage of the 350,000?
What is the Hispanic percentage?
Who's numbers are being reduced?
So William, as I look at your comment, I take it to mean that this issue should be resolved on the basis of economics. Should the government than take the next step and say for the sake of the economy, we should be limiting the number of children people may have? Should the government issue a license to have children, and only to those that can afford to support them so these children will not become a drag on the economy? That would be basic economics also.
jrl,
Now that's an idea. Maybe only people with a proven track record of success should be able to breed. That will reduce the population problem in our ghettos, and increase our nations productivity in just one generation. Brilliant.
Schooldog,
Some people really do live in an alternate universe,where proof and facts are irrelevant.
They're called liberals... try not to stare when you see one, just be thankful you are not so incapable of dealing with real life.
How do people like this guy get elected?
Morons vote for them.
Why?
Hate, ignorance and anger.
Stop referring to Obama as "this guy", he prefers Grand Dictator.
Wow - your artful TeaPublican 'satire' shines so brightly!
pjam09
Stop referring to Obama as "this guy", he prefers Grand Dictator.
Ok. Say, you wouldn't mind me if I referred to you as a" typing orangutan" then or would you prefer "semi-intelligent monkey"?
Nah, pjam prefers "ignoramus."
Republican party = vaginal probes
Republican party = self-aborting rape pregancies
Republican party = women no longer having the right to choose what they do with their own bodies
Republican party = women not getting equal pay for equal work
Republican party = THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM for all those who want better education, better jobs, and the chance to make this world a better place for our children!!!!!
omega1-3015173 what's this? your prison number?
Democrats = Irresponsible lifestyle and demand the taxpayer pay for their immoral behavior.
me-Democrat who's never had an unintended pregnancy and has worked for the last 35 years
jusbkoz-smoke blower
Lori-swallower, evidently
Yup, this is the kind of guy I want in office making decisions that affect the country, not to mention his personal vendetta against women's rights! EDUCATION YOU IDIOT! Planned Parenthood is primarily about EDUCATION, which you sorely need! What an Ass!
These conservatives has an idealistic view that everyone should marry, don't use contraceptives and make as many children as possible. Just like in 1712.
Otherwise 18 year old Ty or Jose gets stopped by the NYC Cops, finds a bag of weed and his employment chances are significantly ruined for the rest of his life.
So if abortion is now a capital crime. A woman can spend the rest of her life in prison, if she does a back alley procedure, or make as many babies as she can, just as in 1712. This is so because all "private charter schools" as the GOP wants for education in America will no longer teach sex education and as said, contraceptives are illegal, just as 1712.
Typical male Republican - let's get government out of the board room and into the bedroom where we belong.
FRUIT-CUP!!!!!!!!!
See imbecile you are wrong on 2 counts.
1) If they denied a woman care due to her race then they would be "racist"
2) The women are making a free choice, it is you who would FORCE them to carry their pregnancy to term.
The congressman would better serve his cause by advocating for making adoption easier and more accessible.
No, better and easier to curse the darkness than to light a candle.
More irresponsible rhetoric from the extreme fringe of the Republican Party.
Individuals like Huelskamp are either completely ill-informed or placing radical ideology over the well-being and health of people.
Huelskamp is not deserving of the office held and the epitome of all that is wrong in elected officials and the GOP for allowing the once great party to be hijacked by such people.
Extreme fringe? Maybe a couple decades ago. Today he's mainstream.
Doug, newsflash - .... "mainstream" for the ideologues that preach how government must be kept out of our business; that is until it does not conform to their views. In that case all bets are off and it becomes you better do as we see things on social issues and not as one is entitled by that other item they preach so much about, the Constitution!
Yes, it certianly changed. Years ago killing a baby, a police officer, was considered one of the worse crimes one could commit. Now today they are considered badges of honor. Yes we hold the value of human live very low today, my how we have progressed. Liberials want to kill babies, and complain when one man adopts 4 children. Liberial men want abortians so they can keep scr@@ing every woman they want. And Women want it because they do not have to take responsibility.
Yes, especially if a person is already alive, female and/or impoverished.
The GOTP is only concerned about embryos. Once a birth happens, the product can be used, abused, starved, beaten, raped, bombed ---and mostly under the guise of morality, family values and Christian love!
Someone needs to tell Rep. Huelskamp he's not in Kansas anymore, and his ignorance is showing.
Hey some people just get offended when those least able to protect themselves are murdered because women allegedly smart enough and compassionate enough to determine whether a future child lives or dies are so uncaring they cannot prevent pregnancy. Yeah, I know the pill with its 99% effectiveness rating combined with a condom which makes it virtually 100% effective is just too much trouble and inconvenience when one can just forget to take a pill, and skips the condom because it doesn't feel good, knowing they can kill their lazy mistake later. Luckily your folks were more like the Representative than you eh wat?
Jeff, you don't seem to have a very good opinion of women.
you are so right - these pro life folks are really pro birth and they don't care about the child after its birth.
A neo-conservative with a low opinion of women...imagine that! By the way, last time I checked the neo-cons are trying to make birth control more difficult to obtain as well.
His arguments are based on facts, what ever your views on Abortion, you can not argue his points. Maybe if men had a higher opeion of women they would not be getting them pregnet. Liberials want free sex free abortions, but none of the responsibility that comes with it. At aleast he addopted the kids instead of killing them.
How can we keep the Arab world from having a distorted view of our country when our leaders have such an incredibly distorted view!
They only need to look at the public, forget the leaders, to get that view. We do such great things for the world, and at times do such great diservice to mankind.