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*** A tricky situation: There’s no question that Mitt Romney had a rough day yesterday. But putting Romney aside, there is a much bigger story going on: President Obama is dealing with a full-fledged foreign policy crisis, and it’s a crisis some 50 days before the election. As he admitted in his interview with Telemundo last night, Egypt right now isn’t an ally and it isn’t an enemy. In Libya was the attack on the embassy there an organized terrorist attack? (It turns out that the U.S. is moving war ships there.) And this morning, we’ve learned that hundreds stormed the U.S. embassy in Yemen. And this all comes on top of the Israeli government trying to pressure the Obama administration to do more to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. You wonder if Team Obama learned the lesson that Romney and campaign forgot yesterday: Everything gets amplified this close to an election. And what’s being amplified right now is a potentially serious situation in the Middle East.
*** And questions for Obama to answer: There are a TON of questions that the Obama administration now has to answer. Do we have an intelligence gap in Libya? Why weren’t extra security precautions being taken in Libya and Egypt? (After all, the White House let the word out that extra security precautions were being taken to protect Americans abroad on 9/11.) After Obama’s Cairo speech in 2009, where does the U.S. now stand with the Muslim world? And was the decision to nudge Mubarak out of power the right call? And the questions could go on… but they’re a reminder that while, yes, Romney had a very bad day yesterday, Obama could be in for some very tough weeks ahead.
*** Why Romney went there: With Romney trailing in the polls after the conventions, you understand why he tried to seize politically on embassy attacks in Egypt and Libya. It was maybe an opportunity to change the narrative of the race and possibly get a “You didn’t build that” moment on foreign policy, which hasn’t been a strength for him in this race. But more than that, Romney has been itching to have a fight on foreign policy and national security, even though his campaign has been so focused on the economy. For years, Romney has built up a narrative about Obama that -- despite the polls and bin Laden’s death -- the current president is just another weak Jimmy Carter. Remember, his book is called “No Apology.” So when his aides showed him the original Cairo embassy statement, which apologized for the anti-Muslim movie, he approved a press release that attacked Obama for it, the New York Times says. “In his mind … the Obama administration was aligning itself with those who would do harm to the United States. Already on the defensive for not mentioning Afghanistan in his convention speech and losing some ground in recent polls, Mr. Romney saw an opportunity to draw a stark contrast.”
*** And why it backfired: But there were three big reasons why Romney’s attack backfired. The first concerned the facts. Romney’s statement criticized the Obama administration for sympathizing “with those who waged the attacks.” And in his news conference yesterday morning, the Republican said, “The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached.” But that is not correct. The embassy statement came out BEFORE the attacks, as NBC’s timeline makes crystal clear. The second reason why it backfired was the timing. Romney’s political attacks (in his statement and subsequent press conference) came right before and then after we learned that the U.S. ambassador to Libya (and three others) died. And it created a contrast where you had President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton mourning the loss of life, versus Romney who making a political attack. And the third reason why it backfired was that the original Cairo embassy statement didn’t come from Obama’s mouth or Clinton’s -- but rather from a senior public affairs officer in Cairo (who reportedly ignored specific instructions not to issue the press release). So Romney linking this directly to Obama -- and RNC Chairman Reince Priebus tweeting “Obama sympathizes with attackers in Egypt. Sad and pathetic” -- was either a stretch or incorrect.
*** Obama piles on: While President Obama refrained from politics when he mourned the loss of American lives yesterday morning, he later stuck a rhetorical dagger in Romney’s gut when he was asked by CBS about Romney’s response. “Gov. Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later," he said. "As president, one of the things I've learned is you can't do that. It's important for you to make sure that the statements you make are backed up by the facts, and that you thought through the ramifications before you make them." And he gave a similar answer in a subsequent interview with Telemundo. It was an interesting decision by the president to wade into the political fray rather than try to stay above it.
*** Blame the media! After Romney’s rough day yesterday, we’ve seen conservative voices blame the media. John Podhoretz, in the New York Post, says “it is the view of much of the mainstream media and foreign-policy establishment that discussing these horrific events in the course of the presidential campaign is monstrous.” And in an editorial entitled “Romney Offends the Pundits,” the Wall Street Journal writes that Romney’s “political faux pax was to offend a pundit class that wants to cede the foreign policy debate to Mr. Obama without thinking seriously about the trouble for America that is building in the world.” But here’s what we don’t understand from both conservatives and liberals who blame the media in instances like this: They say on the one hand that the media doesn’t matter, and then on the other hand say it’s the media’s fault when something goes wrong. They can’t have it both ways. And here’s a final thing to remember: It is always losing campaigns – Democratic or Republican – that end up blaming the media. Also, there’s a crying-wolf aspect to media bias charges that critics ought to think about. We know, there’s a professional class that make their living searching for bias. But just because you think you see it, it doesn’t mean it’s there. Sometimes a bad day is a bad day.
*** New FL, OH, and VA polls coming out tonight: Yesterday, we wrote how Florida is becoming a must-win state for Romney, and we also noted how the Obama campaign is launching a massive ad buy in the Sunshine State. Well today, we’ll have data about where the race in Florida – as well in Ohio and Virginia -- currently stands. At 6:30 pm ET, we’ll unveil brand-new NBC/WSJ/Marist polls on these three important battleground states. In fact, starting this week, we’ll be releasing polls from three different battleground states each week until Election Day.
*** More on the ad spending race: Here’s another way to look at this week’s ad-spending data that we reported on yesterday. The Obama campaign is slightly outspending Romney in every state but North Carolina. But when you factor in the outside groups, Team Obama is outspending Team Romney in Colorado, Ohio, Florida, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin, while Team Romney is dominant on the airwaves in Iowa, Virginia, Nevada, and North Carolina.
*** On the trail: Romney holds a rally in Fairfax, VA at 11:35 am ET… Obama campaigns in Golden, CO at 1:00 pm ET… Biden stumps in Wisconsin… First Lady Michelle Obama is in Virginia… And Paul Ryan is on Capitol Hill.
*** McConnell taps top Ron Paul aide to run re-election campaign: And finally, look at this -- Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), preparing for his re-election fight in 2014, has hired former Ron Paul Campaign Manager Jesse Benton to run his campaign. The AP: “McConnell announced Thursday that he hired Jesse Benton to oversee a campaign that's still two years away and still lacking an opponent. Benton most recently led the Republican presidential race of Texas Congressman Ron Paul, whom many consider the father of the tea party movement.” If you’re potentially worried about a Tea Party challenge, this is a smart move…
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We never learn, do we?
We rush to judgements and leap to conclusions. We render final verdicts before we hear any actual testimony. We proclaim winners and losers before the start of the second inning. We put the cart before the horse, we spit into the wind, and we count our money while we're sittin' at the table instead of knowing when to walk away and when to run. As a wise man said, we "shoot first and aim later".
Or - as was the case here the last 48 hours or so - we take complex, still-unfolding world events like the attacks in Egypt and Libya or the President's discussions (or lack thereof) with Benjamin Netanyahu, and we reduce them to a handful of accusations about apologies and appeasement and abandonment. We don't wait for the actual facts - why bother, when we can make up our own? - and when the facts later come out and prove us wrong, we dismiss them and stubbornly double down on our original position anyway but now even louder and longer. Who cares if it turns out later that the President spoke to Netanyahu by phone for an hour and that all was apparently well between them? What's important to us is that there was any conflict to seize on in the first place. And we don't take time to differentiate between possible expertly coordinated terrorist attacks vs. clumsy, deliberate provocations by amateur religious hacks because we're in too much of a hurry to score fleeting political points over the dead bodies of our fellow Americans. We have no security clearances, we sit in on no intelligence briefings, we listen in on no phone conversations, we're not on the ground talking to any of the actual participants and don't care if even the reporters who ARE there know for sure yet what's going on, and for the most part, we don't have a freaking clue what we're even talking about. And yet we still jump in to offer "expert" opinions and deinitive pronouncements about potential powder kegs half a world away without ever leaving the anonymous safety of our little keyboards.
But hey, what's the harm, right? This is, after all, just a political blog, where we can all indulge our cherished right to free speech and delusions of self importance, cherry pick the "facts" we choose to believe, rush to all those judgements, and spit into the wind to our heart's content, all with no consequences. It's not like JoAnnaSmith1 or Joe in Albany or NoJoe in NJ or JoAnne in PA are ever going to run for any political office or have any chance of leading the country, and nobody in their right mind would vote for any of us if we did.
But there is one other person who's spent the last 48 hours rushing to the same judgements, cherry-picking the same "facts" before they even come to light, and offering the same "expert" opinions to anyone who'll listen without having any clue as to what's really going on - just like any other amateur political blogger with delusions of self-importance. And even when the facts do begin emerging and proving him wrong, he doubles down on his original position even louder and longer.
Except this one IS running for office - the highest office in the land. His name is Mitt Romney, and what he says DOES have consequences. And after his behavior in the last 48 hours, why anyone in their right mind would vote for him either makes about as much sense as voting for JoAnna or Joe or NoJoe or JoAnne.
But then, we never learn.....do we?
Despite ye olde GOP fairy tale that tax cuts for the wealthy stimulate economic growth and jobs, President GW Bush's tax cuts were followed by the weakest decade for economic expansion and weakest job growth on record. Economists call it "the lost decade".
A new study found that any positive effect resulting from cutting taxes on the top 10% of income earners was “insignificant statistically”. Knowing this and even as we are recovering from a Great Recession, GOP Norquistians would STILL like to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.
Research shows that what leads to real growth, is cutting taxes for the bottom 90% of Americans, because those dollars are spent on everyday needs and go right back into the economy.
"A one percent of GDP tax cut for the 90% results in 2.7 percentage points of GDP growth over a two-year period". (Owen Zidar)
Hence, President Obama proposes cutting taxes for ALL income earners up to $250,000, and everything over that amount is taxed at President Clinton rates.
Mitt Romney wants to extend the Bush tax cuts. Additionally, Romney proposes a NEW $5 trillion tax cut. Romney's proposal means that the top one-tenth of 1% income earners would receive a quarter of a million dollars in tax cuts. The non-partisan CBO says that in order to pay for it, the average U.S. family with children will be taxed an extra $2,000.
Romney's tax plan will give his top donor, Sheldon Adelson, a $2.3 Billion tax break.
Again. Mitt Romney's plan will give his top donor, Sheldon Adelson, a $2.3 Billion tax break.
Conclusion: Tax cuts to the top at the expense of everybody else, fits with the Romney Bain Capital model of fleecing everybody to give quick $megabucks to the inside few. Take-away: We folks outside the GOP corporate elite group double as their sacrificial lambs, AND their source of capital.
Jump the Shark:
I confess that I did not know the origin of the phrase, "Jump the Shark". It is an idiom used to describe the moment when a brand, TV show, or campaign begins to decline beyond recovery. It was on 9/20/77 on "Happy Days" when "the Fonz" jumped over a confined shark and people considered that episode to be the moment when "Happy Days" began its decline.
On September 12, 2012 the Romney campaign jumped the shark. Instead of showing respect to a fallen American hero, Ambassador Chris Stevens, Romney chose the craven path of interjecting his personal ambitions into a foreign affair which cost the lives of four Americans and 10 Libyans.
Let us be clear: this story will not go away. There will be stories of bringing the deceased Ambassador home and hunting down those responsible for his murder, and all the while Romney will be associated with his crass remarks and poor judgment.
We already know much about Mitt Romney: his time at Bain Capital, his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts, and his desire to be POTUS. We also know his character flaws of pandering, flip-flopping, lying, and hiding his wealth in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying taxes. We know that he is perfectly comfortable not revealing his own tax returns, yet willing to keep secret what he would do to our tax rates. We know he is neither respected nor well liked, but people who have disdain and hatred for President Obama will vote for him, regardless.
Now we know that he cannot pass the Commander-in-Chief test. His diplomatic skills are deplorable and he has no business being in charge of the strongest military in the world. Yesterday the Romney campaign "Jumped the Shark" and his campaign will continue its decline.
But hey, Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive...
Darn those open mikes
First, they catch Obama pleading that he can appease Putin after the election.
Then, they catch the REPORTERS coordinating an attack on Romney
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/12/open_mic_catches_press_coordinating_questions_for_romney_on_egypt_libya.html
Open mikes- the only Fourth Estate left in this country.
Of course, the media outdid itself yesterday- clamoring like a bunch of zombies that a film clip ignited coordinated violence at our Embassies- completely neglecting to notice the DATE. That,of course, would have called into question the competence of Obama- who, after all, did not bother to beef up security at said locations. In fact, in Libya, there was no real security at all. No Marines, no bullet-proof glass- just a lock and key defense system.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81134.html?hp=l5_b1
Rather than focus on such abject stupidity, the media, like good little cult members, turned its attention on Romney, who had the temerity to call out the Obama administration for apologizing to terrorists for some unknown person hurting their feelings. We were told that it was "over the top"- by a network that showcased the breast implant story of a celebutant, rather than the ceremonies commemorating 9/11. We were solemnly informed that, when American blood is shed, politics should be shoved aside. So, what do they- or you- make of this
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/12/2008_obama_used_death_of_nine_troops_to_ding_bush_mccain_over_iraq.html
I suppose that because it was Obama, it was right and just.
We were further told that there was no apology- despite this
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/white-house-disavows-cairo-apology-135247.html?hp=t4_7
It would be laughable, were it not so serious.
Let's look at the facts, shall we? The very week that team Obama- and that includes the media- begins chanting about foreign policy, we are confronted with proof that, in yet another arena, Obama is an utter failure.
The economy, the debt, foreign policy- other than his golf game, are there any areas where Obama succeeds?
Obama shelved in 2012.
JoAnne, Feisty, Ron, hi Texas, a good Thursday to all.
Under Romney's tax plan, Romney's big donor Sheldon Adelson's 2.3 Billion tax break ~~ would be coming out of our pockets.
Since President Obama was sworn in, shifting money to the wealthy has been a staple du jour for Republican governors like Walker, Scott and Snyder. They cut $billions from children, seniors, low-income folks and slashed Education to ribbons ~ in order to shift that money to the wealthy and corporations in their states.
GOP elected officials rip us off royally, even as we're trying to recover from a Great Recession. And they do it while crying about their budget shortfalls. And they do it to hungry, jobless, living-on-the-nail-edge families who need help so desperately. And then GOP cry some more about food stamps.
Just as long as GOP corporates & donors like Sheldon Adelson get their MOTHER LODE OF TAX BREAKS, no cut on the 99% would be too deep, and no deprivation too great.
Catch John Stassal on Fox and Friends this am? He slaped this BS down
Do you ever post anything other than misleading propoganda?
Bravo, JoAnne---excellent post. I wish you would run for Governor of Pennsylvania. We need to get rid of the one we have (he who has not been seen since the debacles of ultrasounds and voter registration).
If I were an incurable optimist and Romney supporter, I would take comfort in the fact that his latest debacle has at least gotten the attention of the media away from his taxes. However, the clock is ticking to the October 15 due date for his 2011 tax return, when he has promised to release them.
When we think about this Libya/Egypt thing, we need to remember who paid the ultimate price for hatred, polarization, and xenophobia.
Those who made that video and are responsible for the attacks -- whoever they are and whatever their motives -- collectively cannot make up one Chris Stevens, who worked tirelessly and unselfishly his entire life to foster understanding and commonality. What was torn down in one senseless act of violence --triggered by more senselessness in our own country -- was much more than a consulate.
This video will move you, if nothing else will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WGk4vUcGzY0
May God keep Chris Stevens and the others who died for this senselessness.
For one day, maybe the rest of us can keep our eyes on THAT prize. Foreign policy didn't kill Chris Stevens. The message sent by the Egyptian embassy didn't kill Chris Stevens.
Hatred, directly spawned by even more hateful "freedom of speech," as referred to by Mitt Romney, killed Chris Stevens.
With freedom comes responsibility. Those who think like the people who made the video need to accept their responsibility for their "freedom."
Speaking of what you say has consequences I wonder if this quote has anything to do with it? "Osama bin Laden dead, GM is alive!
Keep bragging....
Dup post
Okay let's try this again now that I fed the FR gremlins some breakfast! ;o)
Again, the party of supposed personal responsibility is finger pointing!
Rather than playing the blame game, it might be a good time for Willard & his team to "man up" and accept the fact, they are running the most flawed candidate in history.
They can put all the lipstick they want on the pig, at the end of the day it's still Porkie!
It is NO ones fault but the RWNJ's who nominated this clown, and now that they are suffering the consequences, it's every ones fault but their own!
How's Jon Huntsman looking these days? lol
What? You mean like, "Mission Accomplished"?
How many soldiers died after that, do you think? I'd say more than 4,000.
And I don't suppose your side would have been crowing even louder over Osama bin Laden.
Don't kid yourself. They've long known that Bin Laden is dead. And that triggered no particular violence, now did it?
Nope!
There is a reason Snookie-Joe holds the title of; "She couldn't tell the truth if someone notarized her tongue"!
She has been caught in so many lies, even the moderators have had to step in on a couple of occasions to smack down her whoppers!
She's like the crazy cat lady aunt at Thanksgiving dinner!
No one takes her seriously...
JoAnne PA, excellent observations, terrific post. Backhouse, great points about taxes. Ron, well said, jump the shark is a perfect description of Mitt. Anna Molly, well said.
Mitt Romney proved once again--just as he did when he injected himself into the blind, Chinese dissident situation--that he is not ready for prime time; not ready to lead, not ready to be president.
Republican Campaign Instructions. "OPEN MOUTH, INSERT FOOT." Will these clowns ever learn? I doubt it. Our embassy is attakted, 4 personnel are killed, (one of them our Ambassador) and before any facts are known, including the deaths, DingBat Romney can't wait to get to a microphone and blame our President. Can you believe this guy? Who's advising him? I can't believe it. The hole he's digging for himself just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
And this guy wants to be President? I don't think so. Even his own party is embarrassed by his statements and they're losing support for him. Mumbles on the street from GOP, "I think we picked the wrong guy".
OBAMA IN 2012.
Republicans are steering clear of Romney, the GOP said Mitt Romney was just putting gas on the fire with false statements !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AM - The dates of the attack certainly had no relevance I am sure. Pure coincidence. And the chants you hear the protesters saying like "we have 1M more Osama's waiting" point directly to the "Mission Accomplished" statement.
Also, how many are now dead in Afghanistan? I believe O's numbers have now passed B's numbers.
When you can do anything about the present always blame the past.
Good morning friends,
Great Openings. Thanks!
September 10, 2012 | By University Communication and Marketing
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I thought the world loved us since Obama was elected? I guess the shine is wearing off all those promises for hope and change.
Romney should blame the media. After all, if not for the media, no one would know about his latest garbage statement.
Romney really is a piece of work - a true stand-out in his ability to descend below the low expectations the political class has deservedly earned for itself. Arguably the worst nominee either major party has put forward in a long, long time.
Another day of First Read O'bama propaganda....Yawn
Lyin' Ryan/Romney ALWAYS get the facts wrong!! Leave it to these jacka$$es to get all the facts wrong and cause even more calamity over seas. I can't tell you how much I dislike these traitors!!
Woe to this country if these jacka$$es are put into office....
Feisty: "How's Jon Huntsman looking these days?"
Funny you should ask:
"Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who has twice served as a U.S. ambassador, expressed condolences on the killing of U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens. Huntsman, who did not know Stevens personally, issued a statement lauding Stevens for "representing the highest ideals of American diplomacy.
"This is a time when we all should reflect on those who continue to give, even the last measure, of service and sacrifice, to promoting and defending America's interests abroad," Huntsman added. "This is above all a reminder that politics should end at the waters edge."
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsoutofcontext/54882749-64/huntsman-ambassador-republican-romney.html.csp
I'd say Huntsman is looking the same as he always did - rational, intelligent, calm, thoughtful, experienced in the nuances of foreign affairs, and willing to put the good of his country ahead of his own ambitions.
No wonder he never had a chance.....
In yet another area of Obama's stunning "success"- Initial Claims for Unemployment jumped to 382,000-far more than predicted.
No problem. At least that many people will drop out of the workforce, lowering October's unemployment rate.
Bank on it.
JoAnne of PA,
Excellent post.
A mere 48 hours and the rush to judgement by Romney looks like a desperate move by Romney to try to stay relevant.
I wonder what moniker and avatar Romney would pick as a FT bloggers?
JoAnne Great post. I do not want to date myself and I was only a child, but Willard is reminding me of the LBJ-Goldwater election commercial with the exploding A-bomb.
Obama/Biden
p.s. I only missed LBJ disaster by 2 numbers. Thank God
JoAnne - Excellent post.
NJNB-
Just like your preferred candidate you insist on "doubling down" on your mistakes. Instead of admitting that Romney jumped the gun and issued a politically-charged "press release" while Americans were still under fire and before he had all the facts, you deny and deflect in a pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible.
When America is under attack, we are all Americans first. There will be plenty of time for second-guessing and "armchair quarterbacking" after the bullets have stopped flying and the dust has settled.
I am frankly disgusted at how many people will put their political party ahead of their country at a time when American lives are at risk.
I am also disgusted by those who would argue that we should not condemn the blasphemous "hate speech" personified by the movie in question because it goes against our principles of Free Speech. Free Speech goes both ways - you are free to say disgusting hateful things, and I am free to condemn them.
Freedom of Speech means we CAN say whatever we want, it doesn't mean we SHOULD say whatever we want - especially if the sole purpose of our words is to insult or demean others.
Romney blew it big time. He made accusations without all the facts, and when proven wrong doubled down that he was right. He pounces on Obama for not taking accountability for anything, and Romney can't take ownership for his own misguided comments.
Furthermore, Romney in his criticizing Obama is fanning the flames of these attacks. If I were a Muslim (and I'm not) wanting to protest, and I heard Romney criticize Obama I would feel even more justified in trying to over run an embassy.
Romney is in desperation mode. The wheels are coming off the wagon. He can't talk about the economy anymore since Clinton's speech. What's left in the tank?
Blame the media.
California Tom -- You ask:
BUSH NEOCONS. THE GUYS WHO INVENT WARS!
A very dangerous group of people.
http://news.yahoo.com/whos-advising-mitt-romney-foreign-policy-181704612--abc-news-politics.html
In that article there are links to other articles on these guys as well.
Read up everyone! These guys want war.
True. But you conveniently ignore that the escalation of the war in Afghanistan was a direct result of Bush's neglect as he diverted troops to Iraq. In early 2008, when the situation in Afghanistan became dire, Bush sent Condi Rice and Robert Gates to Europe to ask for more help from our allies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/world/europe/07diplo.html?_r=1&hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/world/europe/07diplo.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2008/02/07/rice-afghanistan.html
No replies? Wonder why.
Well, anyway. When not enough help was forthcoming, Bush sent a few more troops to Afghanistan and then abandoned the problem to the next President to deal with, like he did with the economy.
Seriously. Before you speak about history, it helps to know a little about it.
Maybe it would be a good time for the campaigner-in-chief to "man up" and resolve the foreign policy debacle crashing around him. Of course the task will probably fall to Hillary, she has already demonstrated that she has much "bigger cajones" then the fool in the WH.
And if 7,000 (some estimates) to 10,000 (John Boners estimate) baby boomers retire each day than the answer is YES
You cannot use facts. No joe cannot comprehend facts. Just ask her about her "biology lesson" she gave us awhile back.
Still hugging the meme, huh? The date means nothing, the coordination of the attacks is simple coincidence, and the fact that the only security in Libya was a door lock is meaningless.
Obama's attack on McCain in 2008 after the deaths of 9troops is, what? Not seen in the same light? Not political?
As to the so-called film- I decry all manner of bigotry- but I well recall the words of an early patriot-
I disagree with what you say; but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
By the way, our Embassy in Yemen is also under attack.
Proof of the wonders of Obama's foreign policy expertise-provided, of course, that you want to see the Middle East go up in flames.
He's an inept, abject, failure at anything but golf.
Mitt was right. We shouldn't apologize for private citizens executing their First Amendment rights. As any lawyer will tell you - an apology is a form of accepting blame. Before WWII there were demonstrations against the NAZIS that Germany lodged formal complaints about - demanding an apology to the German People. Roosevelt rightfully told the Germans that the demonstrations were done by private citizens, not the government, and are protected by our Constitution. Obama should have first defended the values of the US instead of reflexively apologizing for our First Amendment.
am said -- "Those who made that video and are responsible for the attacks -- whoever they are and whatever their motives --"
Given your statement I would imagine you are now ready to repeal the first amendment to the US Constitution. Am I correct?
What other films, books, cartoons and related media should we now ban? Do we only ban things that "Hurt the Religious Feelings of Muslims?" How about Jews, Christians, Hindus and the thousands of others?
Come on AM, get real. The President mucked this up greatly and no amount of blaming Americans will work.
My God. Barack Hussein Obama -- the appeaser, the apologizer, the failed leader, the naive -- has blood on his hands THE BLOOD OF AMERICAN HEROES and you want to talk about Romney and Bush and blame a fricking movie???? Are you sh!ttin' me!!!! First you have thunder thighs come out and make a ridiculous statement about the attacks on America being perpetrated a small group when it turned out to be a coordinated effort in several countries but you care about Romney's statement which was strong and right on target???? I disagree with any one -- on both sides -- that his statements were wrong. At least he had the courage to face questions from media conspirators. Hussein the COWARD gives a statement then ducks and runs to LV where he can campaign and talk in an environment he can control.
Where was the intelligence???? How did it fail???? Why aren't these the questions on your minds today??? OUR COUNTRY WAS ATTACKED AGAIN AND THIS A$$HOLE SITS ON HIS THUMBS (CAUSE HE LIKES THE FEELING) AND DOES NOTHING AND LOOKS WEEK. THESE PEOPLE HATE AMERICA -- CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS?????
Hussein lied through his teeth in LV and is relying on his cutesy sound bites. How miserably UNPRESIDENTiAL is that??? Fricking AMATEUR!!!!!
The United States of Islam is what this POS of a president is shooting for and leaving Israel out to dry. All of you should be ashamed.
Now collapse me you cowards.
That didn't stop candidate Obama in 08 when he appeared on CNN used the death of 9 U.S. troops in Afghanistan as talking point to criticize McCain and Bush.
There are already exceptions to the First Amendment. Do the words "clear and present danger" mean anything to you?
Romney's response was intended to push a fictional narrative. It's the narrative where America is a Christian nation at war with Islam. Where crusades are a noble battle of good vs. evil. Where President Obama is secretly Muslim and allied with those who want only America's destruction. A narrative that appeals to those who think an American Jihad against Islam would be a great thing. I'm sure Romney's increased in standing with those who thought 2016 was the best movie of the year, and that seems to be their goal.
When talking to independant and centrist voters, it's "economy, economy, economy, everything else is a distraction." But when talking to the Republican base, it's "abortion, gays, immigrants, Muslims..." all intended to increase turnout through their shared hatred of these things.
And thanks for stopping by to ... um ... set us straight with another ... um ... pithy, substantive comment.
Yawn.
And why it backfired: But there were three big reasons why Romney’s attack backfired. The first concerned the facts.
You could have stopped right there. We understand completely. Wrongme/Lyin are allergic to facts.
"As any lawyer will tell you - an apology is a form of accepting blame."
I'm a lawyer. An apology is not a form of accepting blame.
Is Romney ever going to run against President Obama, rather than the made-up fictional character Clint Eastwood yelled at in an empty chair? The President never apologized.
After the embassy was attacked and 4 people killed, the president continued on to a fundraiser in Las Vegas. Now thats leadership! Nearly a full day went by and no word about Eygpt! Still has not called them Islamic extremists! Why? All of this on 9-11, were was the extra security? Now it comes out that the Obama administration had knowledge of a plot to do exactly this! What was his response, of course more fundraising!
So Now it turns out that the Anti-Muslim Movie that started these riots and breaches of our US Embassies throughout the Muslim World, were created, produced, and distributed by....... ?
yep! you guessed it, according to all the AP News releases and our own MSNBC News report,
it was "CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS"
Aren't Mitt Romney and his "little sidekick" Paul Ryan, ......."Christian Extremists"?
You be the Judge!
Vot a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012, and let's send Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and the rest of the GOP Bush Regime finally
"Back to the Political Dung Heap of History", where they all belong.
It will be Fun.
No. I'm just sick and tired of haters refusing to take any responsibility for what they say and do.
Man up. Stop hiding under someone else's skirts. Admit your side caused this. Take ownership. Be proud of what your "freedom" has accomplished.
And then go tell it to Chris Stevens' family, like I'm sure you all did after Gabbie Giffords was shot, or those folks in Aurora, Colorado.
In what way? Those attacks were pre-planned. You don't bring heavy artillery for a peaceful demonstration. The crowds were already at the gates. Something sent them there and it wasn't the President, and it wasn't the message, which was sent only after they arrived.
You really need to come to the table with a full deck, billy bob. And that means more than the hatred and misinformation that you heard on Fox News last night.
YOU and YOUR so-called freedoms cannot begin to compare to Chris Stevens and the invaluable work that he did to promote REAL understanding. Don't defile his memory and those of the other people who died with more hatred and lies. Your side has done quite enough, thank you very much.
Mitten’s explanation why he interrupted a crisis that involved the loss of American lives, and publicly condemned the White House for being “disgraceful” regarding a mild statement made by the American Embassy in Cairo about the importance of respecting all religions as they were trying to diffuse the situation:
“They clearly — they clearly sent mixed messages to the
world. And — and the statement came from the administration — and the embassy
is the administration — the statement that came from the administration was a —
was a statement which is akin to apology and I think was a — a — a severe
miscalculation.”
“They” clearly sent mixed messages to the world. Romney didn’t do that. Romney is a basket case and I
believe he will be likely to start World War III if elected because he is such an incompetent fool.
The Liberal Gang Bangers aren't as bad today as yesterday. Yes we should blame the media. I don't watch Fox but why is Fox so bad? They lie? Tell me if Fox lies what is NBC doing when it attempts to doctor evidence when a kid is shot in florida and the man shot this kid claims he was jumped by said kid? Why did this network again doctor video on a Romney speech? Why isn't the media to blame when the Aurora Co. shooter who had the same name as a tea party member, the tea party was blamed? Yes the media isn't left leaning at all right. Fox is bad because it is merely the opposite of the WhiteHouse driven media that we find in ABC, NBC and just about every outlet in between.
I always look forward to NBC FR Obama water carrying. Today Oceania will be at war with Eastasia. Enjoy your Orwellian dystopia Progressive Liberals. You certainly deserve it
You would be more genuine if you felt the same about those on the left. Yes tell that to the Aurora victims as a Journalist politicizes it by blaming on a tea party member.
The job of a president is to make decisions based on facts gathered by those you trust to find these facts. After all is gathered, then you make the hard decisions. We cannot have a president that thinks he knows the answers before they are gathered. We had one of those already and it lead to a war made under false information. And what is worst is that a number of the people that helped the last president take us to a useless war are advising the guy who wants to replace our great president.
My question is, why haven't we seen former generals and military folks that have been on the ground leading combat operations or those that actually have performed these operations in the past siding with Romney's views of these event? The only people calling for this fake "Peace through strength" BS are people that dodge wars themselves or havent the slightest ideas of how to conduct foreign policy. The republican candidates should STFU right now cuz this is a mayor development that need to be handled by cool, calm and collected adults. Not children that fly off the handle!
Republicans: scared, crybaby and unable to get it up
Democrats: flat-footed, unaware and unprioritized
Too bad the twitheads of each party have half a brain, but think its better to have half a brain than match them together to form a whole one.
Good luck with your pink skirt, crybaby Republicans and your blind-sided, dumbfounded Democrats.
I caught that biology lesson.
I guess in RWNJ world if a person can self deport a woman can self abort
You Lefties, starting with Fire Pie up there are so boring. Regurgitating the same old rhetoric. A lot of you are mad that Romney came out and told the truth about one of Obama's many weaknesses. You are not the least bit concerned about the lies and weakness that sums up this president. Still blaming Bush for this stuff? Get a grip. Blood is all over Hillary Clinton's hands over this one. After pushing to have Gadaffi overthrown she is the one that cackled like and old witch when she gleefully announced that he was murdered. So now you're thinking that these attacks weren't all an orchestrated attempt at stirring up more hatred towards the US and merely just a coincidence? You're a pathetic bunch.
The only places Mr. Romney's statement "backfired", were in the muddled minds of the socialist left and their media lapdogs who somehow have talked themselves into believing that Obama is never responsible for anything bad, not even the actions and statements of his own administration! So , lacking anyone else to blame,(even THEY could not figure out a way to blame it on Mr. Bush this time), it must be....... Mr. Romneys fault!,(Yeah! Yeah! dats it!), for daring to point out the Obama Administrations incompetence!,(and for making the MSM"S heads hurt), Amazing.
AM - Keep blaming. Bush sent more troops to Iraq and sped up the time table. Obama takes office and says I got those troops out of there. Thanks O.
Now you quote these republicans saying it won't be an easy fight. So they are right when it is convenient to you? No sh*t this was going to be a long fight. I knew that, we all knew that, the on person who didn't know that was O. "I will have em out in my first year."
You guys are the worst of the worst of your side, defend at all costs.
Dismissed, good day sir.
Two things about the labor force-
First, those over 65 are NOT counted anyway- the civilian labor force is made up of those between the ages of 16 and65, not institutionalized, ready, willing, and able to work. Therefore, the Baby Boomers who began hitting 65 this year are NOT reflected in the Civilian Labor Force participation rate decline.
Second, the decline in the Civilian Labor Force is being led by 18-24 year olds, who have either dropped out, or never bothered to look
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/07/news/economy/young-adults-jobs/index.html
Before you get started on your next trope, "institutionalized" also means "in school".
Lord, the lies you cult members drug yourselves with!
Derek i understand the frustration and unfortunately until more political parties are part of the government platform, you will have the Blues vs. Greens (reds). NIKA NIKA NIKA
Yes, and I'm sure your feelings about him would be the same had he been the Republican nominee.
Looks like its time for another Obama apology tour.
What else is new?
Dear Republican Party:
Personal Responsibility. Have some.
President Lead from Behind took 5 minutes out of his busy schedule to make a statement ....on his way to board Campaign 1 and fly to keep his Beg-a-thon appointments for money and votes ....One would think some precautions prior to the 9/11 Anniversary should have been taken at all these hot spots in the Jihadist World to protect our Citizens --- Oh,sure...he's moving a few Navy ships and sending 50, count them, 50 Marines off the shores of Tripoli....Yemen joined the chorus this morning....
The Embassy there is now under attack....The Arab Spring is in full bloom!
Good job Mr Pretender to be a president.
Obama bends over first and lubricates occasionally.
Nice contradiction there No joe. Must go with the 'self abort' logic you have.
AM = "I'm just sick and tired of haters refusing to take any responsibility for what they say and do."
Holy balls, this has to be the most hyprocitical comment I have seen since the history of my membership on this site. You sir are a dolt.
Jack Ryan
Morgs74
I remember reading the comments after Gabrielle Giffords was shot. Most of the left posters blamed it on some 'right wing jihadist'. Turns out the guy, Jarod Laughner couldnt have been farther than a right wing neo con.
Not one 'manned' up and apologized for jumping the gun. Ownership of what you say eh?
I thought this would be a great read but it sounds like just another bunch of "bashers" without facts. You are all blind. Why are you so concerned about Romney submitting his taxes when there wasn't even a twitter about Obama not submitting his birth certificate? You are the people who are responsible for the mess our economy is in because you elected someone with NO experience in any area of government EXCEPT spending. That is what community organizers are good at. I should have know that nbc news would be biased and without merit. Don't bother leaving a commet because I won't be back.
sreeeeminglib "And if 7,000 (some estimates) to 10,000 (John Boners estimate) baby boomers retire each day than the answer is YES"
How do you account for the other 350,000 who droped out of the work force in August?
Why Michelle Does Not Accompany Her Husband!
WHY MICHELLE CAME HOME – Sheppard Smith, Fox News
Shep Smith: “If you check President Obama’s last trip over-seas, his wife left just after their visit to France . She has yet to accompany him to any Arab country.
Think about it. Why is Michelle returning to the states when ‘official’ trips to foreign countries generally include the First Lady.”
While in a Blockbuster, I came across a video called “Obama”. Two men were standing next to me, and we talked about President Obama. These guys were Arabs, so I asked them why they thought Michelle Obama headed home following the President’s recent visit to France instead of traveling on to Saudi Arabia and Turkey with her husband.
They said she could not go to Saudi Arabia, Turkey or Iraq.
I said, “Why not, Laura Bush went to Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Dubai.”
They said Obama is a Muslim, and therefore he is not allowed to bring his wife into countries that adhere to Sharia Law.
Two points of interest here:
1) Two American Arabs believe our President is a Muslim who follows a strict Islamic creed.
2) They also said that’s the reason he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. It was a signal to the Muslim world, acknowledging his religion.
Here is a response from Dr. Jim Murk, a Middle Eastern Scholar and expert on Islam.
“An orthodox Muslim man would never take his wife on a politically oriented trip to any nation which practices Sharia law, particularly Saudi Arabia where the Wahhabi sect is dominant."
This is true, and it is why Obama left Michelle in Europe. She will stay home when he visits Arab countries. He knows Muslim protocol; this includes, bowing to the Saudi King. Obama is regarded as a Muslim in the Arab world because he was born to a Muslim father.
He acknowledged his Muslim faith to George Stephanopoulus. He downplays
his involvement with Christianity, by not publicly joining a Christian church in D.C. and occasionally attending the chapel for services at Camp David. He also played down the fact that America is a Christian country and said, unbelievably, that it was one of the largest Muslim nations in the world, which is nonsense.
He has publicly taken the side of the Palestinians in the conflict with Israel and he ignored the National Day of Prayer, something no other President has ever done.
"He is bad news! He conceals his true faith to the detriment of the American people.” — Jim Murk, Doctor of Philosophy in Middle Eastern Culture & Religion.
ACTIONS speak louder than words. Another interesting item regarding Sharia Law.
Why has Barack Hussein Obama insisted that the U.S.Attorney General hold the trials of the 911 Muslim Terrorists in Civilian Courts as Common Criminals instead of as Terrorists who attacked the United States of America?
If the Muslim Terrorists are tried in Military Tribunals, convicted and sentenced to death, by LAW, Barack Hussein Obama, as President of the US, would be required to sign their death warrants. He would not be required to sign the death warrants if they are sentenced to death by a Civilian Court.
Recently, Muslim Jihadist, Army Major Hassan slaughtered non-Muslim, soldiers at Ft. Hood, Texas rather than go to Afghanistan and be a part of anything that could lead to the deaths of fellow Muslims. He stated that Muslims ‘could not and should not kill fellow Muslims.’
Is the motive for Barack Hussein Obama’s insistence on civilian trials to make sure he doesn’t have to sign the death warrants for the Muslim Terrorists? Why would he, as President of the US, not sign the death warrants for Muslim Terrorists who attacked the US and murdered over 3,000 US. citizens on 9/11?
Could it be that he is FORBIDDEN by his RELIGION to authorize the execution of Muslims?
Open your eyes, ears and minds to who the President is, how he behaves and what he is doing!
Actions speak louder than teleprompter-written words .
AMEN.
Governor Romney spoke like an American, yesterday. For people to be attacking the US Embassy, and, ANYONE, to be apologizing for hurting the terrorists itty bitty feelings as the terrorists murder US citizens, is unreal.
Journalists defending terrorists, I am used to it.
You have my vote Governor Romney. It has been 4 long years since I have heard a strong voice speak up for US Citizens. Thank you.
Yeah, the average uneducated kind.
Jimreaper
I wonder if that was what he meant when he told the Russians he would be more "flexible" after the election? More Yoga and lube?
@Caesar: Yup. And I actually got this reference.
STOP IT! HUSH! BE QUIET! None of you know what you a talking about.
You are being manipulated. Just like Romney, YOU FELL FOR IT. You stepped in it. The "producers" of this so-called movie have succeeded beyond their wildest expectations. Just look at you all. You are ready to tear each others' heads off and start bombing the Muslim world.
Folks this so-called movie is a HATE CRIME under US law. It was made to tell the world "Islam is a cancer" according to the Producer/Director and put the blame on the Israelis. It was made by people working under false ID's and with secret money.
Get a grip. We are being led down the garden path to our own destruction.
HUSH!
The FBI needs to go round these folks up. They need to start interviewing the actors and finding the people responsible. They need to be charged with hate crimes and for their complicity in the deaths of the Ambassador and his staff. There needs to be a full investigation and THEN we talk about appropriate responses.
GEEEZ won't you people ever learn?
Calm down. You don't have all the facts and I believe this is going to go places NONE of you ever dreamed of.
The President is doing the right thing. He needs to send in the FBI and we need to get to the truth regarding this so-called movie and the posting of it on YouTube AND the recent dubbing of it into Farsi.
This was DESIGNED to create just the kind of reaction in the Middle East that we are seeing and ultimately influence the Presidential election. It was designed to get you all YELLING at each other.
The probable violations of the US Law and the Constitution are NUMEROUS.
Look at the messages above. You are all guilty of the same over-reaction and intolerance you are so ready to blame on the Islamic world. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Stop being the pawns in someone else' game!
Xabre
oh yeah because Obama the cokehead really connects with everyday man and women. Now run along and pull some asinine poll or skewed stat to fit your arguement. Kind of like a 2003-2004 study on education in 2012 right?
Skip, show me where anyone is doing this? I said yesterday you'll find very few wanting to invade another country now or anytime soon. That goes for D or R. Asking the president to show some leadership is too much to ask?
Derek-381097
we just need a Belisarius LOL
Where did you come up with the false equivalency that since Freedom of Speech gives you the right to say anything, we have to defend everything anyone says?
Why was Romney so quick to condemn what Todd Akin said and so quick to defend the anti-Islam movie? Was Romney's condemnation of Akins "rape" comments an apology for them?
I teach my son that words have consequences, a lesson that was demonstrated clearly this week.
Again, Freedom of Speech may give you the right to say hateful things, but it also gives me the right to condemn what you said. (note that I can CONDEMN what you say without APOLOGIZING for it).
I trust the man below far more than the lyin' clusterf*ck known as lyin' Ryan/Romney
Obama 2012 - the only sane choice!
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JoAnne, TnseVol - Good posts.
Who are these people who willingly jump the gun and talk loose with the facts? Who are the ones who politicize a tragedy for political games? Who are the ones who disregard the sage wisdom - Politics ends at the water's edge.
Even after reading timelines such as the one portrayed yesteraday of FT, they double down on their biased opinions. Who are these americans, who question the administration's values and falsely say he stands with Muslims over his own countrymen. Who are these people who mock, insult and lie about Obama apologizing?
I am thankful for some R's, like Joe Scarborough, Peggy Noonan and Tom Ridge and even John Sunnunu for denouncing Romney's blundering attempt to gain a political bounce. No one should risk lives and help to deteriorate our foreign policies when lives are on the line. In a flashpoint events like this ill advised words can do great damage.
The absurdity that Romney spewed is ludicrous. It would be like me saying Romney was giving aid to the enemy by saying the US is weak and will apologize to people attacking our embassies. That is in effect what he said even as they attack and continue to attack our embassies. Do you believe that his words will embolden the enemy. I much more respected John Boehner and Mitch McConnel who gave support to our embassies and condemened the attacks - non political.
That being said, I hope and pray that the unrest dies down and this doesn't escalate. I pray for no more loss of American life and I pray for stability. I don't care if political polls jump up or down. May God keep our country safe. I would hope americans of all political parties would agree.
Skip BTW this is what im talking about. FBI is not the Geheim Staats Polizei
Lie. Where is your proof that a 64 year old is not reflected in the labor force.
Civilian labor force by age, sex, race, and ethnicity
The share of 55- to 64-year-olds in the labor force is the highest since the Bureau of Labor Statistics started measuring labor force participation in 1948.
And how many people enter the work force on a monthly basis to counteract that 7 - 10 K a day? I believe the last I heard we have to generate 200-250K jobs per month to cover that. Please correct me if I am wrong. I know you will.
So the big question..."Are we safer now than we were four years ago"...the answer is"F*&K no our President is an idiot!
Nicely written and very well explained. I usually don't read the multi-paragraph posts on this site due to the fact that they are generally long-winded liberal rhetoric. Yours was interesting and very believable. I will definitely research this.
Thanks
AM @ 1.48 said --
No. I'm just sick and tired of haters refusing to take any responsibility for what they say and do.
Man up. Stop hiding under someone else's skirts. Admit your side caused this. Take ownership. Be proud of what your "freedom" has accomplished.
To whom are you directing your vitriol? Me? I simply asked you some questions which you mostly deflected. You want to blame a movie? Fine, naive, but your choice. I presume you blamed the cartoon a few years ago as well?
And then go tell it to Chris Stevens' family, like I'm sure you all did after Gabbie Giffords was shot, or those folks in Aurora, Colorado.
You self-righteous person? How dare you. You have no right to make this kind of statement.
In what way? Those attacks were pre-planned. You don't bring heavy artillery for a peaceful demonstration. The crowds were already at the gates. Something sent them there and it wasn't the President, and it wasn't the message, which was sent only after they arrived.
How about the intelligence provided at the briefings he has allegedly missed? Why was nothing done? After all of the lesson from 9/11 you would think he would be serious about his job rather than figuring out how to get to Vegas.
You really need to come to the table with a full deck, billy bob. And that means more than the hatred and misinformation that you heard on Fox News last night.
I do have a full deck, just that it does not meet with your approval which bothers me not. Hatred and misinformation i not what I wrote, you have turned it so. I watch many outlets and many are saying the same as i am though your beloved nbc is not among the enlightened, somehow preoccupied with celebrity breasts.
YOU and YOUR so-called freedoms cannot begin to compare to Chris Stevens and the invaluable work that he did to promote REAL understanding. Don't defile his memory and those of the other people who died with more hatred and lies. Your side has done quite enough, thank you very much.
I do not defile his memory, I raise legitimate issues to which you have no legitimate response so you hide behind the tragedy.
What exactly is my side? I am an American -- is that the side you are accusing me of belonging to? If so, then yes I am exceptionally proud of my side but wish we had a strong leader at this crucial time.
Romney continues to follow the "solidify the base" strategy he has employed since the beginning. There are three reasons for this:
1. Even the "base" doesn't trust him or like him.
2. His "base" is segmented and the segments don't like or trust each other, so he has to decide who to appeal to on a daily basis.
3. He has no real strategy and makes it up as he goes along.
His cowboy reaction to international relations relates what he thinks appeals to the "base", which demands immediate and simple reactions to extremely complex questions. They're simply not the deepest thinkers out there, and, as Mrs. Neff, my second grade teacher used to tell the kids who didn't know how to behave in a group setting, "little things please little minds!". So Mitt has to make sure he is always down, waaay down, appealing to their little minds.
Fortunately for the country, the base he is still scrambling to appeal to continues to crumble at the edges. As Americans watch how a stable, clearer thinking leader handles dangerous situations, the comparison between the candidates will become clearer and clearer.
JoAnne in PA:
Your opening post was as good as anything I've ever seen on this board.
Clotho, you may be something but it is not a lawyer. You NEVER apologize when the law is, or may be, involved as it will be used against you. "I'm sorry" is a confession which, if you were a lawyer but you are not, you would know.
I'm sorry that it is beyond your comprehension.
Yellowdog
What did Obama do when the Ambassador was missing for over 5 hours? Obama went to sleep.
A real man's hero, that Obama is.
Think how strong this country would be if Navy Seal Team 6 were a 'tough' as Obama.
BTW, there were no marines protecting the Consulate in Libya. And, Obama skipped Intelligence Briefings the week prior to, and, including 9/11/12.
You still give Obama your vote? You need to raise your expectations, IMO.
Another Marxist post from haggis... who is it this time Juan Peron?
The violence against our Middle East embassy's brings up two thoughts:
- eerily reminiscent to Iran in the 70's when Jimmy Carter also got caught flat footed and bungled the rescue operation
- Barry Hussein Obama not too long ago touted his efforts in 'Arab Spring' was a proud foreign policy achievement! Yikes! He also spent way too long patting himself on the back over his ability to kill OBL that he lost sight and ignored the fact that Al Queda survived and continued to grow.
We have two Presidents, two democrats, two extremely leftist democrats... who both misread the issue and responded poorly to the emergency. Neither one had a clue and neither one deserved (deserves) a second term... Egypt and Libya are two great examples of our bungler-in-chiefs failure in the foreign policy arena... despite the admirable efforts of Hillary... barry just doesn't get it.
He is very good however at being a late night comedy show side kick! lol
Doctor checks out hole in Romney's head, Doc says he sees nothing, it looks empty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
haggisbingo-2225582
Post# 1.78: These tells me that, "You too will have lot's of time to do useless doodles of your lower extremities if you vote for Barrack 'Jim Jones' Obama."
sreeeeminglib
Catch John Stassal on Fox and Friends this am? He slaped this BS down
Do you ever post anything other than misleading propoganda?
No Jo puts out more propoganda than the Communist did during the cold war!!!!
Patriotic American U.S.A.
feel better now? I love the media red herring this morning. The movie maker did it LOL. NO, islamic extremist did and it may have been a pre planned attack.
Progressives, please quit rooting for the enemy.
Guess what, I am going to draw Mohammed and excersie my freedom of speech. Now watch how many progressives apologize and defend the extremists LOL
Nazarite, seriously, you need to get out more. This latest "secret Muslim" conspiracy theory is so full of holes as to be laughable. For instance, "could it be that he is FORBIDDEN by his religion to authorize execution of Muslims", well Nazie, how do explain Osama bin Laden, how do you explain the killing of the other al Qaeda Muslim leaders, how do you explain the Drone strikes?
Romney got it right, that is how an American stands up for the United States!! No apology for freedom of speech. How many YouTube videos or pictures are online that offends just about anything you can think of? The video is an excuse and a diversion from what is really going on. Where were the Marines? Oh, that's right, Obama cut the defense and sent our troops home. Then, the administration assures the U.S. that security will be in place for our people overseas and we should not worry about them on 9/11. In the worst place for our guard to be down, Obama has no security detail on our Embassy's. How about the Embassy's that are under attack today and how many more attacks will our country take before you will see that Obama has FAILED at Foreign Policy and National Security? We are under attack and it may not be on our soil just yet, but only time will tell. Obama does not care about you, he does not care about middle class, and he surely is not going to care about you after the election. This man has shown he truly has no clue when it comes to security and that is probably why he avoids his meetings cause he can't understand what they are talking about. Everyone thinks Obama is so in touch with the Americans but he really isn't. I laugh when I see post by liberals who condemn Romney for being rich, but when will you condemn Obama for being rich? Or the rest of the rich democrats? This war on class is another diversion from what is really going on. He is a multimillionaire after all. And while the poor are getting poorer, Obama is getting richer. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I want a President who will lead and not walk away from a fight with his tail between his legs...grow some balls Mr. President, you can't lead from the back.
jimreaper : obviously fixated on lower male extremities and insertions into. I'll let the american people draw their own conclusions about him.... LOL
"Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, Al-Qaeda has slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries including our own. So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity."
--President Obama, May 1, 2011
Well Mr. President I believe that leaves out you and most Muslims and appeasers around the world.
The protester/terrorist were chanting, ". . .we are all Osamas, Obama". This is happening on 9/11 and our Lame Stream Media blames the insurrection on a 14-minute anti-Muslim movie trailer. Could it be that they were mad because Obama keeps "spiking the football" --Osama is dead and GM is alive. Keep up that wonderful, wimp-assed foreign policy, Obama and we will have a lot more embassy burnings and deaths.
You mean like the one who missed the warnings that an Al Qaeda attack within the United States "would come soon"? So soon that CIA counterterrorism officers decided not to ask for transfers to escape the blame because there was "not enough time" to train their replacements?
That strong leader?
Or the ones currently running for office who have no foreign policy experience whatsoever and continue to trip over their own forked tongues, something that I thought would be very hard to do.
Those strong leaders?
Seriously. I'll take my chances.
I didn't deflect any of your questions, but you ignored my answer.
And yes, to those on your side, whatever that is, who want to make this about something it's not, thereby perpetuating the problem. Take ownership of that, at least.
Wrong again. I want to blame the hatred that underlay that movie. Yes, the attacks were pre-meditated, and probably timed to coincide with September 11, but what I REALLY think is that the movie was doctored to make it look like it was the thing that triggered the attacks, and there's a larger conspiracy back behind these attacks.
And just who might be interested in such a conspiracy just about now, anyway? But there's hatred in that, too, regardless of who is responsible for it.
Regardless of what happened afterward, there was hatred in the original movie, which is why the moviemaker went into hiding instead of proudly proclaiming ownership for it. Just like gun nuts do whenever there is a mass shooting.
In short, I blame the hatred, and it exists just as much on this side of the ocean as it does on the other.
Oh, yes, I do. They call it free speech. Just like you, I have it, too. And I'll take responsibility for it. I'm just asking for gun nuts and haters to take responsibility for what their so-called exercise of "freedom" means. I never see them do it. Are you ready to take responsibility for everything you say?
Because it doesn't look that way to me.
Really?! Name two that aren't outlets for the right.
From your perspective as a manly man, is this better or worse than Fox's pre-occupation with blondes and legs?
You have not articulated a single legitimate issue that I have seen, backed with a single fact.
Emphasis on "allegedly." As Fox likes to put it, "Some people say ...."
But how do you know for sure that Obama didn't read the briefings, that they pointed to anything specific, and that nothing was done?
Those are some mighty big leaps you're taking, sir, based purely on speculation.
"As some people say ...."
Joann, your post says it all and perfectly....which is why Romney is the right man for this country. For what he now represents is what our society and culture consider as the appropriate way to discuss current issues and events: mouth off with little to no facts....say whatever you want and hope it sticks. This is how we communicate now: we have comment boards, blogs, and Twitter to give us the soapbox we need to spout off our uninformed and prejudiced opinions anonymously without penalty or harm. And this culture is represented perfectly by our dysfunctional and ineffective Congress.
Mitt-the-Twit, a.k.a. Sarah Yahbetcha Palin without lipstick - same low two digit IQ matched to a big mouth.
When will you bigoted wingnuts get your lying and fearmongering stories straight. Haven't you claimed to scare the ignorant bible thumpers granny's that mormon's aren't christian.
You've got to be joking! Why do I hear you saying: .... "which is why Hitler is the right man for this country"...lol . Anybody but the man who holds the rings now, right? Might as well be Elmer Fudd, as Rusty Limpballs said the other day...
Calling Obama a Muslim is full of DERP, and shows a leve of pure stupidity that shames Hugo Chavez.
Anybody thinking so should move to Iran because that person is more Iranian than American. Be sure to pack the stupid in a bag so nobody sees it.
WheresCongress
Based on the following few days I have decided to not respond to trolls or to those who only wish to taunt ridicule. blame and scream.
I will not jump to conclusions, like some presidential candidates, have done recently. I do not know if you are such a person so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
You do know that daily briefings go with the president? Until otherwise found that Obama deliberately ignored direct messages like "
Bin LadenAl Quaida intent on attacking withinUSLibyan embassy" as his predecessors ignored, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Before 9/11 of this year there were warnings and statements issued to be on the alert. Precautions obviously were done, but they were not sufficient in Libya. Hopefully the armed reinforcements can bolster our defenses.Yes Obama still has my vote. Although I wasn't enthused about our invovlement in Libya that is past. I am hopeful that our President does the right thing and continues to showcase a calculating, level headed approach to these new challenges. All Americans should do the same, we learned that after 9/11/01 Democrats and Republicans joined together in song to song lifting their voices to America the Beautiful. Eleven years later the only voices I hear are the angry jeers, taunts and insults from the right.
If Obama is so loved, why the Middle East riots?
And, with Obama as POTUS, who are our allies?
I have not heard a peep from supposed US allies.
The US is a alone, thanks to YOUR man, Obama.
Thanks for nothing.
Sorry First Read but it didn't backfire. The reason I know it didn't backfire is because of how much time the media is spending on saying "it backfired" with really nothing to show it hurting Romney other than their own leftist opinion. He made the statement yesterday and many people agree with him, we have no idea if this will help, hurt, or mean nothing as far as the polls are concerned but my guess is Obama is having a rougher week than Romney since he is the one coming off as an amatuer. Once the narrative gets set in the media everyone runs with it, but what you in the media have forgotten is that there is a new media and people don't just listen to you and your group think narrative anymore.
Keeping repeating trying to create truth instead of reporting it.
Semper Fi
Obama has a Peace Prize but we arent at Peace.
Logic, FR is Obama water carrier, much like NBC its parent. I think its sad this is what America has come to. Waive the white flag proudly progressives.
Well, thank you, screaming lib, for proving my point. I'm just surprised that any of you can actually read the BLS tables and - oh, wait a minute- you didn't understand what you read, did you?
See, the trope is, the reason the Civilian Labor Force participation rate is going down is because baby boomers are retiring. The fact that they are still working- at the highest rate, ever- does not penetrate the minds of the cultists, who insist that, as obama says, everything is hunky dory in the economy.
So, thank you for pointing out to your fellow cult members that it is the younger workers who are not entering or dropping out of the labor force.
Maybe ow that you have said it, they will stop trotting out that worn out, debunked meme every time the labor force declines.
I'll draw the parallel again - in the 1860s the Confederate "states-rights" people were calling Lincoln negro or half black (not using those nice words though, of course).
Obama is the present day Abraham Lincoln! Get on the GOOD side of history you traitors!!
Thank Goodness foreign policy is Obama's strength.....Oh, wait a minute........didn't he want the muslim brotherhood to have a voice in the arab spring? I'm sure he'll just swoop in and show them how tolerant we are to the muslim brotherhood....."give us a big hug"......
Haggisbingo, groupie much??? If you are on the "good side of history" why do like minded people like you who work in the press have to get on the same page with each other on how to slant a story before the press conference?
It's pretty interesting that prior to Romney's press conference in Jacksonville FL, the press were getting their notes together as how to phrase the questioning as like "have you stopped beating your wife yet?"
Journalism is dead....
Middle East is in Turmoil - Thanks Obama for your world wide change of opinion of America
Jobless claims rise again - Thanks for the no story first read.
Rasmussen Poll has Romney back in the lead.
Yes it has been a very bad week for Romney if you completely ignore everything else happening in the world. LOL - What a joke.
What foreign policy??? OBAMA has NO Foreign POLICY! OBAMA IS LIMP, LAME, and a WIMP!! OBAMA is a charter member of the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD!!
An act of war was committed yesterday, 4 Americans were murdered, and the liberal media and the left spins it into "Romney having a bad day" How much more BIASED can you possibly get?
Newsflash: America had a "bad day" & Barack Obama is the potus. It happened on HIS watch due to his failure to lead. The buck stops here, morons.
NBC = No Barack Criticism
Excellent post this morning JoAnne.
It's a better day today than yesterday and let's all hope that the President and our Secretary of State can get things calmed down in the Middle East for our Embassys. Even Fox has the President ahead in the polls.
I heard a wonderful comment last night that pretty summed up the problem with Mitt's comments yesterday, when he makes stupid domestic policy comments, we as a country are used to his gaffes; when he makes idiotic foreign policy comments, we can't forgive him as those are how wars are started.
Obama/Biden 2012
I think you need to go read history instead of re-writing Hasbro. Spare us the racist innuendo, you guys have outplayed it. Obama is nothing like Lincoln and if you knew your history better you would agree.
But Obama did attend Muslim teachings as a child and a radical Christian Pastor in adulthood and you wonder why people would draw those parallels right or wrong?
Ignorance runs rampant on both extreme sides hasbro.
The media has always been biased, but now they are simply taking instructions from Democrat political aides and writing pure garbage. It's funny to hear all the lame stream media outlets just echo the same talking point they must of all received. I think at this point they don't even care that everyone knows they are shills, they deny it, the sheep run with it, and all is happy as long as you don't leave your liberal bubble on the upper east side.
ah.... probably because they're very ignorant ....
Yellowdog
I very seldom visit MSNBC. Why? There would seem to be no logical reason.
When NBC cut the 911 tape of Zimmerman to make him appear to be racist, while passions were inflamed, and, people's lives were at risk shocked me. When CNN cut the police tape when Zimmerman was arrested to make it appear that Zimmerman did not have head or nose wounds ... I DO NOT LIKE BEING PLAYED.
Those instances were not journalists playing around with catchy titles. Those were acts of intention to play with people's emotions and more people could have been killed, IMO.
I absolutely abhor the MSM for that reason. I will not watch or read news sources that may or may not be having an honest news day. Why waste my time? Then, I have to find a second news source to see if they are telling the truth. NOT MY JOB.
Four people were murdered in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA EMBASSY in Libya. The MSM playing word games to play people is disgusting.
I really have nothing else to say. You wound up getting heat from me that you probably did not deserve.
One more thing, before you vote for Obama ... go to the movie '2016' ... because I would like to hear how you could still vote for him.
TOMKAT IS AN IRANIAN?!
LOL, seriously. No wonder the Republicans aren't in the lead when they easily could be. Stupid Tea Baggers haven't left and let the non-pretend conservatives run the party.
Keep on kicking yourself in the face, faux conservatives. Not like there isn't an election at stake here.
The loss of American lives during this crisis is terrible. Condolences to the families.
Romney's knee-jerk response is reprehensible. No one aspiring to the highest office in the land should allow him-/herself the luxury of appearing so utterly devoid not only of facts, but also of sympathy for the deceased, and the families who mourn them. Then to double down on his mistake...well, hopefully the American people now have a better understanding of what a Romney presidency will be like, and will vote accordingly come election day.
However (and I hate to be the one to point it out) this crisis could still hurt Obama. If he doesn't act decisively the momentum could shift in Romney's favor. At the same time, most Americans (I suspect, anyway) do not want this country to get involved in another war. Quite a dilemma for the President, and I do not envy him in this current predicament.
To have a Foreign Policy crisis you have to have a coherent Foreign Policy.
Governor Romney did exactly the right thing by pouncing on obama's foreign policy slip (just the latest I'm afraid).
Obama is spineless and incapable of being firm in this situation... mistakenly thinking we can work with the governments of Libya, Egypt... Tunisa.... Yemen.... to resolve an issue that may now be unresolvable. What a miserable joke we have in the White House!
Obama was simple caught flat footed in this situation and is trying to deflect criticizm to Romney... what a coward! His ego is so inflated he can't even recognize his blunders. Or listen to his advisors who might have saved him..... end the error folks, we must end this mistake! Romney/Ryan is the only choice!
haggisbingo-2225582
if only you saw the irony in what you write.
yep squealer instructs them daily. "Four legs good, two legs better"
Remember Progressives, Down with Eastasia!
I like how some right wing hack can release some religious film - incite said religious group around the world - and then blame Obama for loss of life. I feel dumber for now having read your drivel.
Barry Kardashian
Ah, another plastic, phony Kardashian moment.... At least the kardashian girls are eye candy!!
Good Point.
Just incase many of you main stream sheep missed it here is a little read. Some reporters were actually heard on an open mic talking about their baised strategy.
I also want to mention that Romney had the stones to answer questions unlike Obama.
Caesar Augustus
Rome is dead. Colonialism is dead. Unneeded WARS should be dead. Tea Party should be dead. Lyin' Ryan/Romney is on its last un-presidential legs. Time to get with the 21st Century dude!!!
so a movie maker is at fault not the ignoramous' that carried out the act. Progressive dystopia, rooting for the enemy. How bout putting the blame where it belongs. I am drawing Mohammed. What are you going to do? I know the answer.
haggisbingo-2225582
Caesar Augustus
How bout you get with 21st century. I never mentioned Rome and that is irrelevant Gambit since you cant defend your imbecilic rants. Keep up with emotion though, you have a lot of progressives that love your type of irrationality
... Obama and Bidden running around spiking the football over and over about killing Osama as well as droning 500 la khida Jihadi's and we now wonder why our embassy's were attacked ... it wasn't some stupid you tube video. This attack was planned for weeks ... the video was nothing but an escape goat we were apologizing for the video before the attacks. The appologize only inflamed the situation. Muslims see the apologizes as an admission of guilt and weakness, triggering the attack, so Obama could blame some you tube video maker.
You know why it was planned for weeks because it happened on 9/11.
How insightful. I'm rubber you're glue!
"we’ll have data about where the race in Florida – as well in Ohio and Virginia -- currently stands."
It will probably have the same major flaw that the previous ones had - oversampling Democrats. They typically include about 6% more Democrats than Republicans in their 'sample', which was the same level of support Obama had in 2008 when everyone bought his 'rhetoric'. Recent surveys (and the 2010 election blowout by Republicans) show that there are more voters that consider themselves Republicans than Democrats, and since party affiliated voters typically vote 'party-line' for President by about 90%, the poll creates an artificial bias in favor of Obama by about 5%.
If you want get the truth from the upcoming poll, look at the spread between the sampled % of Democrats vs Republicans, and then reduce Obama's lead by 90% of that spread - example below;
If the sample includes 42% Democrats vs 36% Republicans, that 6% spread in favor of Obama should actually be 5.4% lower (6% x .9 = 5.4%), for a lead of only 0.6%.
Even in 2008, when everyone was fooled by Obama's rhetoric, only 39% of voters considered themselves Democrats - the idea that a significantly higher percentage of voters now consider themselves as Democrats defies logic.
This is how the liberal media skews the polls to favor Obama and try to artificially 'fire up the base'.
What any President should continue to do is protect US interests and if that means killing rioters, evacuating embassies (or standing ground), then they should do that. Further, two things should be done to anyone in the US inciting the violence with hate crime films. Arrest them. You get free speech as long as your free speech isn't getting another American killed.
Kill people trying to kill Americans because of a film, and throw the film maker in jail for trying to get Americans killed by inciting riots. You take the guilty and deal with them. Nobody gets a pass for being a murdering as*h*le, or trying to get someone else to be.
@beelzebubb, your are 100% correct!
@LogicReguired
I'm pretty sure you still won't get it, but, hey, at least I tried...
But don't expect the media hacks to ask any of them or to gang up on Mr. Obama like they did with Mr. Romney. And, more importantly, don't expect Mr. Obama to give any answers other than misdirection and trying to lay the blame on others.
Mitt Romney is not afraid to stand up to the questioning, no matter how biased and ridiculous it is . On the other hand, the media never gets around to asking Mr. Obama the tough questions and the certainly don''t press him when he habitually dodges the questions they do ask.
And Chuck Todd and the toadies at Pravda USA (NBC) are prime examples of the lack of any attempt to hold Mr Obama accountable or ask him anything that he might not want to answer. Better to ask questions about his beer drinking or some guy that gave him a hug on the campaign trail.
ROY,
How does oversampling help one Party/candidate over the other?
I can see it either way. If our President is perceived to have a solid lead it will encourage Republicans to GOTV while Dems will stay at home thinking their candidate has it in the bag.
On the other hand if the polls show our President to have a solid lead it could discourage Conservatives and they will stay home on Election Day.
As I see it the advantage for oversampling goes to no one.
Hey Haggisbingo, read my frickin' post again. If you read or understood the meaning of the rest of it, a more discerning mind would have noted that I was being facetious (you know what that word means?). And I'll add this; if Romney gets elected this country will DESERVE what it gets and that's what I find scary, disgusting, depressing, you name it. And the long term impact would be a right wing Supreme Court that will affect us for a couple generations.
Re the State Department Statement issued both before and after the Cairo attack..
. In fact, it was issued twice, according to the State Department. Once before the attack in Cairo and again after the attack. I guess Mr Obama was not aware of either of them until the next day. What does that say about how the State Department runs under Mr. Obama? Just a bunch of loose cannons firing off whenever they want and what ever they want? No clearing it with the WH, even though it could have major implication for our national security?Yet, Mr.Obama keeps plugging along with the same old crew without a care and without holding anybody responsible or himself accountable. But why worry about that, there is a campaign to win and we have to attack Mitt Romney, least anyone start questioning the incompetence coming out of the WH
Throw the film maker in jail because these nut jobs killed Americans??? Really??
So when Bill Maher makes a movie called Religulous and mocks and criticise Christians, if someone in Rome kills an America because of that movie you would want Bill Maher arrested? Is that correct?
You had better answer this question if you have anything else you post o be taken seriously.
Pretty much sums up the neighborhood organizers foreign policy the last 3.5 years, and in only 7 words! Nicely done! If it wasn't for Hillary, I think obama would be sending support to the Muslims attacking our Embassy's... that's how messed up he is!
Muslims want Romney's head on a Stake, his hate for poor nations will come to a end !!!!!!!!!!
A vote for this crazy mad Warmonger will have us into another war and bankrupt this Country !!!!
yep i said the same thing and you know what, it won't happen. nor should it. where do you draw the line?
THIS JUST IN. WE ARE NOW AT WAR WITH EURASIA!
The liberals in this country grow more insane every day. We have a party in this country that makes "GM is alive and Osama is dead" part of their platform and they accuse the republicans of stirring the pot with radical terrorists???? If you clowns weren't so dangerous you'd be funny. Mr. Romney will make a very good President. Get used to it.
Haggisbingo, I get it, it's just so weak that it was hardly worth debating. You are judging Romney's foreign policy on a perceived error. I don't find what he said to be wrong and think it helps his case. His economic credentials dwarf that of Obama's and even if he did nothing it would be better than what we have now.
All this mess because of "freedom of religion"? Militaristic religion! The voices of lunacy and hatred unleashed! Makes a "sham' of the 1st amendment. Gwaddamn organized religion! All religious interpretations foretell all sorts of damn shenanigans awaiting the Earth and the people living upon It. Why can't these crazies wait for 'em like the writings tell 'em to? Nooooooo! These crazy sons-a-bitches go out and attempt to make 'em happen themselves. Gonna eventually have to do something about these people in this country, and when it finally does happen, It ain't gonna be pretty, and It shouldn't be. Who ever was involved in the making of this religious mess should be hunted down, tried for murder, and accordingly sentenced, as any other criminal.
-haggisbingo-2225582-Now, the same type of traitors are calling Obama a Muslim!
Oh, sort of like the jackass that called Romney Hitler up in post #1.106?
No, sadly he is the present day Jimmy Carter
Although there are not many, some people are middle of the road and don't follow the election, some of these people will still vote and will usually back the winning horse as to be on the side of the winner. If you know nothing you look at what everyone else is doing and follow their lead which is why it is important that the polls don't show Romney starting to get a real lead because people will begin to jump on the bandwagon.
Buzword1 I went back and reread you post. I read the first line and went on. Sorry the first line threw me off. Your post said just how it is. Your right if Rmoney is elected we will suffer. Keep up with the good posts.
Obama Biden 2012
from Arab Spring, American Winter
excerpt
...Then the media spent the morning kicking Romney for jumping the gun as pundits liberally blamed preacher Jones and the movie-makers for inciting violence in Africa.
Now it seems the critics may have jumped the gun. Al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahri had released a video calling on Islamists to avenge the death of a Libyan-born cleric killed in a U.S. drone attack. Intelligence officials believe the Benghazi attack was planned well in advance.
Time will tell what is really going on around the Arab world, my condonlences to the families of the fallen.
whats your explanation for our (USA's) current situation? You think it's prosperity? do explain how we'll suffer.
I am baffled by the Progressives (left of Castro crowd), you think mediocracy being the new norm is the golden age. Why?
That is only because the "lamestream media WANTS you to feel that way, they even had a meeting prior to Romneys' press conference on how to get you to perceive exactly that.
Too funny, HAGGISbingo.....the liberal media's sheep.
Oh, and where is our great leader when Netanyaho, the leader of one of the few American friendly countries in the middle east is looking for America's help as Iran gets closer to a nuclear bomb?
In Vegas......Talk about Nero fiddling as Rome burned....
First of all, unlike a lot of loud libs on this site, I actually read the press release from the US Embassy in Cairo, and it clearly shows that what Romney did was simply state a fact: the Embassy, in black and white print, offered sympathy to the rioting mobs for having their delicate little feelings hurt by some obscure movie clip. So, once again, the libs are attacking Romney to deflect the blame for the whole ugly situation from guess who.....you got it!....Mr Arab Spring himself, the one, the only, the inept, Barack Obama!
jimreaper
stick with the homocentric jokes, jim, they suit you...LOL
A few observations: 1. There was no apology. Read the actual words of the statement issued by the US Embassy officer in Cairo.
2. The statement was issued contrary to orders.
3. It looks like the attacks in Libya and Yemen were initiated by Al Queda operatives in those countries as retaliation for killing the local leaders.
4. Romney/Ryan and their supporters look more foolish as the events unfold. "Shoot first, aim later" is very much correct. The only thing worse is that by pressing the issue, they look even worse.
spider-737231
but but Rachel Maddow said...
It is this kinds of statements that shows what types of empty hats are voting for Obama. Yet you lefty lemmings give it votes like they are the Gettysburgh address.
What we are witnessing in the total disintegration of a Presidency! And the further eroding of the old liberal media.... that despite the evidence, continues to give the neophyte in the Oval Office a pass... like this is his first week on the job! We have to be worried about how this thing gets played out and hope that, despite obama's weak efforts... no further loss of American life will happen!
dirp,
Excellent observation and listing of the facts. i don't see how it could be any simpler. Anybody that wants to put this lyin' Ryan/Romney ticket into office is at best easily mislead and , at worst, just plain crazy!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/09/13/arab_spring_american_winter_115430.html
forgot to include the link in above post of mine...
We have a crisis that "so far" is unclear exactly what is going on. It seems to be unfolding though, and as more information is coming out, not good!
Those were for your benefit. I know how you lefties want everybody to embrace your lifestyle.
FR:
What I blame the media for is always reaching for the false equivalency when Republicans make fools out of themselves. Sure, Democrats sometimes do bad stuff, and Democrats sometimes blame the media, but when, exactly, has a Democrat done something as despicable as Romney has and then blamed the media for it? I don't recall any such thing from John Kerry's losing campaign, so his campaign doesn't fit the FR theory about losing campaigns. Kerry had his faults, but he's an honorable man. Romney is a dishonorable man.
HAHAHAHAHAHA...
Just read this libbie love fest...
Too bad you folks are so delusional...
Obama is ONE and DONE! ...and Good Riddance to the community-organizer-n-chief!
So the statement was a mistake? And Romney was right to criticize it? Thank you for exonerating Romney!
The "Shoot First" charge didn't work for Carter against Reagan and it won't work for Obama against Romney.
protestors are storming Yemen embassy now?
The collective stupidity of the Left of Castro Crowd is astonishing isnt it?
Looks like you got your info from that yellow belly draft dodger coward Romney !!!!!!
OMG you're absolutely right. And nothing has EVER happened since then where Republican presidents bungled ....
I mean, it's not like there was ever a ...
Beirut. 1982. Nearly 300 American Marines killed. Failure to pay heed to intelligence.
Or a September 11, 2001. Nearly 3,000 innocent people killed. Failure to respond to intelligence.
Or an Iraq war. More than 4,500 Americans killed. War based on doctored intelligence.
Funny how you right-wingers are managing to miss those sorry episodes of history in your haste to pin something here on Democrats.
Look to your own houses.
By the way, I didn't know that President Carter was on the ground in Iran back in 1980. And here I thought he was in Washington at the time. Thanks for the illuminating info.
exactly! We have a President who was standing in the wrong line when God was passing out balls, Barry got big ears instead! And we have a blatantly biased media that completely ignores the mistakes of our neophyte President! Whatever happened to a press that actually reported the news rather than 'spin' the news! The old liberal media has no CREDIBILITY with me!
Incredible. You are now a draft dodger if you put your name in for the the draft and your number is not drawn.
You mean like John Kerry in 2004
Or maybe you mean Obama in 2008...
Oh how I remember the media jumping on them for their errors! (Sarcasm alert)
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio "ROY, How does oversampling help one Party/candidate over the other?"
It creates a 'narrative' of Romney is 'desperate', while Obama is 'in control', which is intended to suppress Romney supporters. It's also intended to sway Independent voters - 'If Obama is ahead, maybe I should support him too', which 'wafflers' often use as a guide.
Just look at the above comments by FR as an example.
If you look at the major pollsters, they almost invariably skew their polls to favor the Democrat. For example, of the 12 major pollsters for the 2004 and 2008 Presidential elections that Realclearpolitics.com included in their 'average of polls', they showed an artificial bias in favor of the Democrat by about 1.2% (the actual difference in voting was 1.2% lower for the Democrat than the final polls showed).
Despite the criticism of Rasmussen by the Democrats, they actually have the best average record for the 2004 and 2008 Presidential elections - missing the actual results by an average of only 1% - this compares with an average error for Gallup of more than 3% - biased in favor of the Democrat of course. Perhaps more importantly, they have the best record on 'bias' by far (defined as consistent error in favor of one Party). For Rasmussen, their average 'bias' error was a miniscule 0.3% for 2004 and 2008 (favoring the Democrat in 2004 and the Republican in 2008). In contrast again, Gallup had an average 'bias' favoring the Democrat of 2.4% in 2004 and a whopping 3.7% in 2008, for an average Democratic 'bias' of 3.05%.
One final note on polls - Those of 'Registered Voters' are seriously flawed because there is a major difference between 'Registered Voters' and 'Likely Voters', because Republicans are far more likely to vote than Democrats. For an interesting 'read' on this issue, I recommend the following link which shows an average error in favor of Democrats of about 4% among 'Registered Voters'. Amazingly, one of the polls (CNN I think) recently estimated that this difference between Registered and Likely Voters could be as high as 7%.
http://www.polimerican.com/adults-vs-registered-vs-likely-voters/
Said the man who voted for Clinton twice! LOL
Q22
ignore that person, he/she/it continues to spew nonsense daily without any proof. sad part is, the idiot will recieve 50 votes for it. Telling of the Hard Lefties on FR huh?
NBC/FR WHY ARE YOU BIASED!
Really, some people start protesting outside our embassy in Cairo on 9/11 and we really think it's about a movie? And nobody knows who made this movie, after all, yet conveniently enough the whole of the Arab world learns about it on 9/11... just in time to protest... and well before any of us know about it, but oh that's purely coincidental. Ha.
Obama can hardly criticize Romney for "playing politics" with a tragedy, when Obama responded to Romney's statement faster than he responded to the attacks on American sites.
I don't know what planet you people live on, but our embassies are often the mouthpieces of American Foreign Policy, being right there in the middle of things. An embassy doesn't make a statement that is not to be considered the policy of the administration, but let's pretend for a moment that what embassy's say doesn't matter (that someone from the embassy didn't contact the administration and say there was about to be trouble and that the administration gave no guidance on the matter). Obama had HOURS beforehand to distance himself from the embassy statement, to clearly state his administration's policy, but he didn't distance himself from it until after people were dead, and then that happened only 14 minutes before Romney made his statement (presumably news moves faster in the presidential world than it moves in the presidential campaign world, but I digress). Perhaps if Obama had come out early in the day on Tuesday, when the protests began, and said to the people of that region that they understand the desire to protest and even welcome it, but that our assets will not be breached and there will be no violence or that violence will be answered with swift justice, we could respect him as a firm leader, but the administration's first response (not counting embassies because apparently embassies don't count) was Hilary Clinton two minutes before the white house disavowal of the embassy statement after people were already dead saying,
Obama didn't make a statement on the situation until 7:22 the next morning. Give me a break. He's a politician, not a President. I don't know if Romney would be much better in that respect, but Obama's campaign wins no points. He's actually got the job, supposed to be the diplomat, supposed to be running things and to be leading.
The blame goes to the Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer occupying the Oval Office and all his mindless koolaide drinking zombies like Fiesty, Bev, et al who think Obama's foreign policy of always blame America and apologize to the world actually works.
Our Embassy's are being attacked because of "W", Anymore wars and this Nation is finish, "W" stretch this Country to it's limit and we are going bankrupt as a Nation because of him !!!!!!
WHY MICHELLE CAME HOME – Sheppard Smith, Fox News
@Nazarite - did you develop and write that poorly thought out conspiracy theory all on your own, or did you lift it, like so many of your right-wing extremists often do, from another website. Perhaps maybe from one of the sites linked below?
http://republicanpartyofhighlandscounty.com/?p=1520
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/why-michelle-returns-home-when-hussein-travels-to-arab-countries/
http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2012/08/why-michelle-came-home.html (careful with this one - they broadcast galactic news)
http://billbotex.blogspot.com/
That should suffice for now.
All the lefty loons on this vine get their talking points from MSNBC the night before and come here and spew their hatred and lies. Have you guys ever noticed the ratings for your nightly liars? Do you think that you are convincing anyone but yourselves of this BS? I sure hope you enjoy the Romney administration, I know I will. I think he will do a very good job for America. It is a sure thing that he couldn't fail as poorly as Obama has. Two Jimmy Carter's is all this country can afford.
RedDevPS - Thanks for the interesting reading posts. But I guess I shouldn't believe any of it because it isn't on MSNBC.
Logic Required (from 1.138) --
This is an unattributed quote from Breitbart.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/12/Report-Egyptian-Intelligence-Anticipated-Attacks-on-US-Embassy-as-Early-as-Sept-4?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+(Breitbart+Feed)
This is the underlying article --
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=284684
Pay careful attention to the date on which the report was released.
If the Israelis warned the Americans, the warning may have come too late.
Let's wait to see what the facts show, shall we?
This article is illuminating --
http://newstalk870.am/no-record-of-intel-briefings-for-obama-prior-to-egypt-libya-embassy-attacks/
For example, even Al Jazeera seems to think the movie had something to do with it.
And is anyone saying we SHOULDN'T HAVE killed the Al Qaeda second-in-command because there might be an attack?
And yet, the killing of Osama bin Laden didn't cause any attacks.
Well, then, I guess that brings us back to the movie.
Bill T...
Funny!
He isn't called the Big-Eared-Bandit for no reason!
I'll tell you who has failed: IT"S THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUT A LYIN" RYAN/ROMNEY loser combo into the office of the Presidency at any cost ...... HAVE YOU NO SHAME????
FR is constantly toeing the Liberal/Progressive line. What else would you expect form NBC. They are the official propaganda arm of the DNC! How could you expect anything objective here. At least it gives the hard core libs somewhere to gather and pat them selves on the back. It will also be a great place for them to console each other after they loose the upcoming election.
"Romney was right, we don't apologize for free speech" Um, just one little problem here. The supreme court has stated that "yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected free speech. What the spineless racist trash that made this movie did was throw gasoline all over the Middle Eastern Theater and yelled FIRE at the top of his lungs. By the definition of our supreme court and any rational persons thought, this was not in any way, shape or form protected free speech.
haggisbingo-2225582
Repeating the same clueless, ignorant statement doesn't doesn't make it any less clueless or ignorant. Nor does posting these statements in BOLD.
In addition to my previous response to Logic Required about the Israeli intelligence reports, this takes on some significance --
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159873#.UFIQyrKPWWg
You see, it appears that the Israeli intelligence reports were warning about attacks on the US AND ISRAELI embassies, NOT just American embassies, and NOT the embassy (or consulate) in Libya.
jimreaper
sure it does ... as it does for your personal private preferences ... ha ha ha
jimreaper...
They have to post in caps and bold just to try and convince themselves...
Liberals are so funny...
ABO 2012!
Obama was not ready to answer the call at 3 AM. Obama did not answer the question from reporters about the mixed signals from the Embassy and his Administration. Obama apologise in the firts time and then after an hour come with another statement. Obama is Carter on steroids, he said the same thing Carter said before. The reaction of Obama is just damaged control pretending to be a tough guy, demanding Syria to find the responsible of the attacks, something they will never do , because the government of Syria allowed it happened. Obama was still sleeping on his pajamas when our Ambassador was calling for help after more then 4 hours surrounded by violent mob.
"W" did a good job Destroying our Country and now their supporters are walking around in a daze trying to get the Keys back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Logic...
Said the man who voted for Clinton twice! LOL
I'm not convinced he is that old...heck, may not be old enough to vote in the coming election!
Patriotic...HAHAHAHA, still pushin' the "W" bandwagon? Now, that's pathetic!
Remember your Savior's own words..."If I haven't got this turned around in 3 years, I'm a one-term president". Well, Time's Up!!!
Romney/Ryan 2012!
Wow, that's pretty lame, even for you.
You could have said something more intelligent, like: "Liar, liar pants on fire." or "So, there!" Or you could have tried to actually defend your ridiculous statements, but you're not clever enough. As far as the other stupid statements about my "personal preferences", keep trying. Your party is the one that is encouraging you to marry your boy friend.
But, of course, your whole point is to distract everybody from how incompetent the present president is.
PS in GA: When Romney shows me HIS birth certificate, then I'll be satisfied. There isn't anything in the law that states that a candidate MUST show their birth certificate. AND, if you have ANY brains at all, you must realize that each candidate is significantly vetted before running for the presidency.....this means his birth is scrutinized, his background, his qualifications, his financials, etc. I'm sure that whom ever it was that was vetting the last presidential candidates, McCain and Obama, vetted each one of them the same way, and I don't remember ANYONE asking McCain to show his birth certificate!!! Why do you RWNJ's keep bringing this up when it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the subject at hand?? If President Obama hadn't passed the muster.....he wouldn't be our president now....get over it!
Anne Molly,
You are trying say that no one saw this coming yet I have to ask you a question.
Why did our State Department decide to keep our diplomats on the ground after numerous “warning signs” of increasing aggression prompted the British to pull their team out of Benghazi?
If it was about some movie why did the Al qaeda video released the day before say nothing about the movie?
No Presidential Intelligence Breifings The Week Before The Attacks - Why one week before 9/11 anniversary was no one talking about possible attacks?
No Jo' I checked your first link. Interesting that two reporters would want to make certain that Romney would not be able to avoid the question of the day. If this is plotting, I hope they do more of it. Romney owes each and every one of us an explanation for his lies and distortions.
Warning Signs -
@no joe, no bo, nj
This 2008 Larry king video interview IS ABOUT HOW GW focused on Iraq and FORGOT ALL ABOUT AFGANISTAN, not about scoring political points from the death of service members....
But it figures that one, YOU and your GOP herd would not actually LISTEN to what Obama was ACTUALLY saying, and two, twist it out of context....
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/09/if-obama-talked-like-this-in-2008.html?showComment=1347550546017
Yeah you people {GOP sheeple} arent the brightest
We don't need Romney's mist guided and confused leadership based on faulty facts and lying. Even McCain's comment about Mitt shows some question his leadership.
Since most of you have no idea how to argue substance in lieu of trivial, childish banter, I would like to state that the next revolution in our country will not involve the American populace against a foreign tyrant, or even against our own government necessarily.
It will involve American vs. American, right vs. left, Republican vs. Democrat.
When the bullets fly, it will be because of the rampant division being fomented by both sides of the political spectrum, mainly the extreme polarized ends, and the complete lack of careful consideration of the absolute facts.
Most of the posters on this forum are cowards. You may be intelligent, but most of you are far from having any semblance of common sense. You fight and bicker over the most ridiculous things, and incessantly parrot the same idiotic talking points that have been repeatedly refuted over and over again. You refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing on your own parts, and hardly ever put true action in place of your forked words.
As much as I lament violence, I cannot foresee any way out of this domestic quagmire we are in. There is too much at stake, and too many people with rigid worldviews to change much of anything. It is what it is, and we have been careening toward this precipice for decades. Soon, a trigger event will usher in dramatic, profound changes that will upset the normal balance of things to which we have grown accustomed. Blood will run in the streets, and our grandchildren will ask us about why we killed one another in a civil war that sent a call to arms across the entire world.
Bad things are at stake for our nation. We are the first generation in a long time to witness firsthand the fall of an empire.
Many will die. Many will live to tell the story. I wish you all good luck.
Indy Patriot...
Agreed...
When a liberal mayor tells us we can't drink a pop larger than 16 ounces...may be time for something else other than BS to fly!
Great post JoAnn.
All who bash Obama need to do a search on an article called "Kicking the Vietnam Syndrome". Then come back with the relevant blame. We are the pawns while the few(Elected), claim to be Kings, Queens, Bishops, Nights, and Rooks. Life is just like a game of Chess folks. Your Move.
@ JoAnne in PA
Great Post!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Anna molly, how inane when you say this....
Harley Chic
An act of war was committed yesterday, 4 Americans were murdered, and the liberal media and the left spins it into "Romney having a bad day" How much more BIASED can you possibly get?
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So what do you propose??
Attack a town of civilians for the crimes of a few terrorists??
OH YEAH THATS THE GOP WAY, NEVERMIND
Tell me has all the crank and whatever else bikers shove down your throat affected you that much??
Silly question, of course it has
Maybe obama can ask China for foriegn policy advice.....again!!
http://townhall.com/columnists/briandarling/2012/07/16/obamas_outsourcing_of_jobs_foreign_policy_and_debt/page/full/
ROMNEY/RYAN2012
Cantakenomore- Don't agree with me you pathetic imbecile, you're not my friend and your politics suck. You're exactly one of the ignorant trash heaps I was referring to in my post.
And really, who f--king cares about how large a soda you can drink? Did it ever occur to a knuckle-dragging mouthbreather like you that you can always buy two smaller sodas to rot your brain with instead of one big bottle?
Go get yourself a few mega-sized chemical-laden toxic softdrinks to further degenerate your mind with, and spend all the time you want sucking them down. Maybe at least that way you'll be too busy to type your preposterous bull@!$%# on this forum and save us all the trouble....
Wow. Any other idiots on here want to stand up and be bitchslapped like "cantakenomore"?
Hey Dan, I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that Obama will be bringing the hurt to those responsible for the embassy attacks. (He'll have to otherwise he'll look weak). But, because it's your guy you'll be OK with that. By the way, being from sanfran, we know what gets shoved down your throat.
Indy Patriot, I agree as I could shoot a couple of my misguided and right wing republican neighbors already!
Indy...
You didn't detect my sarcasm?? LOL!
Libbies are so funny! Here's a beotch-slap for you...libbie!
Romney/Ryan 2012!
J.D.Still "The only places Mr. Romney's statement "backfired", were in the muddled minds of the socialist left and their media lapdogs"
What I find humorous is the liberals saying "It's Bush's fault" because he was President when the recession started, even though the Democrats controlled Congress for his last 2 years and fought against Bush on every issue.
But when reminded that Obama has been in charge for the last 3.5 years, including 2 years with a total Democratic controlled Congress, it's somehow the Republicans fault that the economy is crummy.
If they want to say Bush has to take responsibility while he was President, why not apply the same standard to Obama?
Rumors the Film Maker is a Republican !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice! I see the party of tolerance and progressive thinking is out preaching their jihad. I wish you guys were as tough on Islamic terrorist who kill Americans as you are against your fellow Americans who simply disagree with you on issues. Enjoy your hate!
Logic...
They are quite amusing, aren't they?
I shouldn't get so animated myself sometimes. However, I try to refrain from calling them names...well, except...libbie. As I recall, I've never written about killing them. I suppose it's tough on them, though. Try to imagine having to defend this administration!
So what if he is??? Is it illegal in this country to make a film that goes after a religion? If it is please arrest the South Park creators, The director and writers of The Family Guy, and Bill Maher who had his movie Religulous.
The guy may be a wacko but can you tell me what law he broke here?
Please Obama, Please come out and attack the film maker like your sheep. I don't care what kind of crazy nut the guy is if the democrats decide they would rather go after and arrest the film maker rather than going after the people who attacked us it will be their end. Please tell all Americans how to protect us and keep us safe we must limit some freedoms and play nice with the Muslims and never do anything that might offend them. Please fall for this stupidity!
To sum up all the Progressive lies, distortions, and deflection posts:
cantakenomore
I'm sure King Crimson would be ashamed that the cover of their landmark prog debut In The Court Of The Crimson King is used as an avatar for a right wing liar.
toxicchemist
San Francisco is a great place, and surprise, not everyone there is gay. Thanks for displaying your bigotry in an upfront manner, most people will ignore you because of it.
OregonPat...
Maybe, but it's the only picture I could think of that depicts what I feel like when having to listen to liberal drivel...hence my name "cantakenomore"...get it?
How the hell does Obama have blood on his hands?? He didn't kill the ambassador and those three other Americans, and he's only being calm in the face of chaos. You Republicans always seem to be adherents of the "shoot first, ask questions later" cult. If you were a RATIONAL-minded person, you would admit that Romney was politicizing a national tragedy ON 9/11 (which Bush did in 2004) and was jumping the gun a bit because he was criticizing embassy officials that were under intense stress and were making the statement BEFORE the attacks on the embassy. You have to look at the facts.
Don't you understand that in Libya THIS IS A NEW GOVERNMENT???? The CIA needs time to gather and asses more info on a nation after it goes through a change in power, much less a bloody revolution. Secondly, I doubt a president that sent Navy SEALS into a foreign nation armed with nuclear weapons to kill the architect of the September 11 attacks is weak. What you're proposing is condemn the attacks (which Obama did) and then invade the country with Marines and heavy artillery like it's Pearl Harbor all over again (which is an overreaction). I am @!$%#ing tired of us being so unilaterally stupid and hard-headed; we need to be more flexible and open with other nations if we want to be respected.
Great, another piece of bull@!$%# that you pulled out of your ass. I don't @!$%#ing care if we "left Israel out to dry." Maybe that will teach them to stop being so hard-headed and learn to COMPROMISE (God knows we can't). And we might as well leave Israel out to dry; it's about damn time they starting walking on their own two feet and talking through their own damn mouth.
Gladly you ignorant war hawk.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
freshiee...
ahhhh, libbie drivel! funny...funny
ToxicChemist
Hey Dan, I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that Obama will be bringing the hurt to those responsible for the embassy attacks. (He'll have to otherwise he'll look weak). But, because it's your guy you'll be OK with that. By the way, being from sanfran, we know what gets shoved down your throat.
HEY TOXICIDIOT, IM NOT FROM SF, I AM A NINER FAN..
Homophobic much?
And NO, Obama will not just start killing the town....
CLOWN
Vote for President Obama like your middle class life depends on it...because it does!
The stability, security and safety of our citizens can not be left in the hands of robmehood and lyin!
4 more for 44!
What happen to Romney's head, it doesn't look like it's on straight ??????????????????
Romney blew it big time. He made accusations without all the facts, and when proven wrong doubled down that he was right. He pounces on Obama for not taking accountability for anything, and Romney can't take ownership for his own misguided comments.
Furthermore, Romney in his criticizing Obama is fanning the flames of these attacks. If I were a Muslim (and I'm not) wanting to protest, and I heard Romney criticize Obama I would feel even more justified in trying to over run an embassy.
Romney is in desperation mode. The wheels are coming off the wagon. He can't talk about the economy anymore since Clinton's speech. What's left in the tank?
Blame the media.
The media keep bringing up facts, and this is hurting Romney. They don't like facts. They get in the way.
Sad ! Its still a campaign about the rich and the poor....we are poor now...wanna be poor for four more years? You will be if life continues on the way it is........
right on chris door, and dont forget to support our efforts in MI! its time for the republican taliban party to cease their rule and for we the people to rule again and protect our spectacular waterways
dont let your guard down, abundance of money is waiting in the wings to swoop down to rescue this clown.
obama/biden/democrats every where.
C...
The White House and the mainstream media want everyone to believe that some months old YouTube video is responsible for Islamic extremists storming our Embassy screaming there are a billion Osama's Obama. It can't possible have anything to do with both Obama and Biden taking credit for killing Bin Laden with every campaign speech. The theme of the Democratic convention was we killed Osama. Add the drone strikes in Pakistan and the US sitting back and watching Islamic extremists rise to power in both Libya and Egypt and the western nations better start building bunkers. Obama lit this fuse, and the world is now far less safe.
Rick, if you had any grasp of recent history whatsoever, you'd know that before his death Osama bin Laden had lost basically all of his influence.
so his death was insignificant? But Obama is polarizing it as if he just saved the world. Which is it Xabie? OSama was still a threat and his mortal coil shuffled loose was good or he was insignificant and could have carried out the end of his days in obscurity?
Xabie you need to get a grasp on reality
Rick -
President Obama did what every American president should do, what GW Bush promised to do but failed to do, pursue those who attacked us to the ends of the earth.
Drone strikes, SpecOps, whatever it takes. I feel safer with every Al Quada leader that is executed.
This approach will obviously lead to some attempt at retaliation, but is a far more intelligent approach than invading a sovereign country and creating a new generation of terrorists via collateral damage.
Romney and his team of Bush neo-cons will want us to put "boots on the ground" and our troops in harms way, once again with no clear path to victory.
A lack of influence does not equate to insignificance. Logic escapes you.
Presient Obama said according to FR.
Well at least he is telling the truth about on the Job training. Hey don't gang up on me, this is the President speaking.
The President still has to answer many questions on what is happening, however I doubt it if the media will take him to task.
President Obama has a lead for now. Yes, Fox has him with +6 and I like the poll below because the use a conglamorate of Polls (including fox) to come to an average as you see below.
Obama 48.0%
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-general-election-romney-vs-obama#!mindate=2011-08-16
I intentionally left a couple of errors on the words to see how many liberals start to scream.
*snickers*
Yes, you're intentionally a dumbass: waist, come mierda, nuevos socialistas, brake, three words, all were merely a ruse.
Do tell, since you stopped there. why not capture him? His death did not bring about martydom from the extremists. I would hardly think that Al Qaida is anymore emboldened.
I dont disagree with his death. I would say not only was he not influencial, he was insignifiicant.
Obama lit the Islamic extremist fuse by his incessant bragging about the killing of Bin Laden. Those protesters were not storming the Embassy walls screaming there are a billion Osama's Obama because of a YouTube film no one had ever heard of that was posted months ago. The entire Democratic convention was non-stop bragging about the killing of Bin Laden. How many times does Obama and Biden feel they need to spike the football? Maybe Obama shouldn't have missed over half the intelligence briefings. Maybe Obama should have given up a few rounds of golf rather then allow our Embassies to be left unprepared on the anniversary of 9/11. No doubt the real concern at the White House is whether our Embassies burning will affect the next Obama campaign stop.
Xabre - Since you have to call me names in Spanish, here is a nice phrase used on folks like you, my dear..
Vete a mamar un huevo, cacho de cabron.
A nice what? Don't be mad you're a "malaoha".
Xabre - are you making things up? I wrote phrase, not phras. do you wear glasses. That would explain it. You are blinded by Obama's halo.
Nice try dumbass. I'd expect nothing less from our pendeja gorda.
http://s11.postimage.org/hbj9doi77/lmfao.png
Chris Dorr
Is it true that US Marines defending the American Embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their capability to respond to attacks like those in Cairo?
And, you think you will live how long with Obama as POTUS?
Man, you are lucky to be here this long, IMO.
I have lived my entire life without a weapon being allowed in my home. Guns scare me as much as a loose snake slithering around the house.
In the last few months, my husband and I purchased our first weapon for protection because we knew we were no longer protected as white people by the Obama Administration.
Right or Wrong, it was a tough decision. And, yet, one we had to make.
Good grief!
"The embassy statement came out BEFORE the attacks" (this was in Cairo)
"the original Cairo embassy statement didn’t come from Obama’s mouth or Clinton’s -- but rather from a senior public affairs officer in Cairo (who reportedly ignored specific instructions not to issue the press release)."
I guess it is much easier to listen to Governor Romney and FOX news than to do some actual reading. No wonder Romney/Ryan don't care about telling the truth or getting some actual facts.
heard that too on a local radio show. has that been confirmed?
Jaysus!
Another card-carrying member of the Zombie Apocalypse gang!
Bonus point for the "white" people reference! ;o)
Any reason in particular you felt compelled to include that?
"The Washington Beacon" is reporting that the Marines were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition.
Of course, in this day and time, one news source is not enough. So, that is why I was wondering if it were true.
I hope this is not true.
BTW, a former Navy Seal from Massachusetts, Glen Doherty, was one of the 4 victims in the US Embassy in Libya.
The United States in a results-driven nation and love winners...2nd best never cut it in the past and still doesn't in our society.
In the last 4 years, I've not seen anything come out of our President that would stop or even address the polarization in Washington and the entire country for that matter.
You need to be a leader and not a mouthpiece for your party tp bring about real change.
President Obama, but virtue of his own actions, has made me see that he is not the President I hoped he would be the day I voted for him. He has shown me that he has become another dividing force in our nation. He is strong with his base, but weak with those who are not.
It's a damn shame because I really felt in 2008 that he could rise above petty party politics and become a great leader. One that could make the history books.
im not sure the person's reasons but is there a reason you guys have say anyone who disagree's with Obama or doesnt like him is a 'afraid of a black man in office'?
I understand your programming has limited dialog so I wont expect much of an intelligent response but the question remains.
In a comment above, I said I was 'white' because I am 'white'. Now, I also am a former Democrat bleeding heart liberal, and, the tendency to kick a wall when I see one is still there. Since, apparently, I am not suppose to say 'white' (read some of the responses), it is a wall, and, so I kick it. I still have the bleeding heart. I will cry if I see you cry.
As far as who is POTUS, I am waiting for a woman to be POTUS. Does not matter to me what race the person is. What does matter, man or woman, is that they are qualified and do not allow the log in their own eye to endanger our entire nation.
Well it looks like most of the cathartic remarks about this tragedy are over. The partisan comments are still ,as ever, out in full force though. I wonder what the comments would look like if people had to sign their names to them or had to take the time to write them out by hand.
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Don't let any stinkin' facts get in the way, eh Romney???
What was Obama saying about foreign policy experience JUST LAST WEEK?
Sorry I couldn't hear him over all the screaming Muslims!
What was that?
No I can't hear you over the mobs of screaming Muslims in Egypt, and Libya, and Yemen, and Tehran!
Foreign policy experience you say?!
You'll have to speak louder, the screaming Muslims and all the destruction of property is too loud!
I can't hear you!
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SO HOW WELL HAS OBAMA'S OUTREACH TO THE MUSLIM WORLD WORKED OUT?
OBAMA HAS FAILED!
TIME TO KICK HIM OUT!
I'll tell you who has failed: IT"S THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUT A LYIN" RYAN/ROMNEY loser combo into the office of the Presidency at any cost ...... HAVE YOU NO SHAME????
Interesting how it is only after a black man was elected to your perceived White House, did you find it necessary to bring the "snake" into your home!
Luckily, thanks to the internet, you don't have to bother putting on the white sheets anymore!
Make sure to check under your bed tonight prior to climbing in, you never know when you'll find a Black Panther or two! ;o)
I am always amazed at the ignorance of the morons on these vines that think main stream media like ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and the others are not feeding them liberal spin and lies in the guise of 'facts'. It must be the result of the crappy liberal education they received.
Please. White sheets. My aunt was the first white teacher in my state to agree to teach in a black school. Her daughter and boyfriend were run off the road into a ditch by 'men' and a gun put to their faces (my mother carefully explained since I was young and did not entirely understand). A cross was burned in their yard ... my response was ... that was a dumb thing to do. Why would people burn a cross in a yard? Who put the fire out? Did they call the fire department?
My aunt and family had to move out of state and whenever I asked where they were by name, I was given 'the stare'. I will never forget it. It was a scary time, and, I did not understand exactly why. I could not ask where my aunt and uncle and cousins were. I could not mention the state where they moved out loud. An adult would always stay outside when we played. We could not go out of the yard.
So, you might as well find someone else to push buttons. I did not go though what I went through to be told that I cannot say what color I am, or seexx I am, or anything else. I kick back, now.
First I thought Senator John McCain's statement that
"There's thousands of weapons in Libya" on the Today show this morning was interesting. Yes Senator McCain, I remember how you wanted to pour weapons into Libya during their revolution and criticized the president for not doing it. If you had been president or succeded in your idea, there would be even MORE weapons there! The president's stated reason for not following McCains plan was that not enough was known about the different groups who were fighting.
I heard some very interesting things on the TV last night. When Osama Bin Laden was killed, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, became al-Qaeda's leader. The person who became the new deputy was Abu yahya al-Libi. In June of this year al-Libi was killed by a CIA drone strike. He was considered al-Qaeda's top strategist and involved in numerous terrorist plots against western targets over the years.
The "al-Libi" part of his name means "the Libyan", ie. a citizen of Libya. When he was killed on June 5th a Libyan extremest group, on June 6th, launched attacks on the city of Benghazi which they said were in retaliation for al-Libi being killed.
Al-Qaeda has a habbit of of doing something on the anniversary of 9/11 and this year they issued a video commemorating the death of Abu yahya al-Libi, "a statement on the martyrdom of Libya's lion" and calls for al-Qaeda followers to take revenge for al-Libi being killed last June.
The protesters at the embassy in Cairo did not have weapons like the one in Libya. And, there must have been shouts from the crowd regarding the video online or the person in the embassy would not have issued any statement regarding it.
From some of the comments above I gather that the Republicans blame President Obama for going after al-Qaeda's leaders and Bin Laden in particular. They blame him for having it as part of his campaign because they want to portray him as weak and of course it was absolutely terriffic that President G.W. Bush used his war on Iraq when he was running for his 2nd term.
Romney screwed up again. Obama ordered Bin Laden to be taken down after making it a top priority. Our economy is growing at 1.9%, 6 times Germany's dismal .3% austerity driven economy and way better than the -8.5% growth rate he inherited from GW Bush
The housing market is recovering from its huge bursting bubble in 2008. I have a lot to be optimistic about.
Some Moslems are screaming about a religiously intolerant and hateful film and they will calm down and get on with their rather desperate lives in Egypt where the economy is floundering. Tourists way down, employment down, the underlying factors of their rage. The film came to their attention with the call of a Moslem cleric on TV to protest at the embassy and reportedly they were told that we all watched this film here in the US on 9-11 (an outright fabrication). Terry Jones e-mailed a link to this little watched video on You Tube last week to Egyptian journalists.
And next week we'll probably be talking about something else. Calm down, smell the roses. We have a pretty good life here in America.
WheresCongress
In a comment above, I said I was 'white' because I am 'white'. Now, I also am a former Democrat bleeding heart liberal, and, the tendency to kick a wall when I see one is still there. Since, apparently, I am not suppose to say 'white' (read some of the responses), it is a wall, and, so I kick it. I still have the bleeding heart. I will cry if I see you cry.
As far as who is POTUS, I am waiting for a woman to be POTUS. Does not matter to me what race the person is. What does matter, man or woman, is that they are qualified and do not allow the log in their own eye to endanger our entire nation.
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Liar, if you WERE a Liberal, you wouldnt be saying "Now, I also am a former Democrat bleeding heart liberal"....
What you WOULD be saying is an intelligent opinion that differs from "Liberals"
We didn't say it, Wherescongress did.
Dan
My intelligent option is 'Unaffiliated'. I am not committed to a party.
And, calling people names is not appropriate.
Fielden
I am not afraid of a black man. I am afraid of anyone in power who does not have this country's best interest at heart.
Chris, Dorr, MI "Vote for President Obama like your middle class life depends on it...because it does!"
So the middle class has suffered the most under Obama of any President over the last 50 years, and that's your reason for voting for him again?
What was that definition of Insanity again - "Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome"
WheresCongress
Dan
My intelligent option is 'Unaffiliated'. I am not committed to a party.
And, calling people names is not appropriate.
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What name did I call you?
Saying you are a liar is an OPINION that I have of you
Based on what you post, I'm guessing that it is more of a fact than anything else
THEN THERE IS THIS
My intelligent option is 'Unaffiliated'. I am not committed to a party.
What the hell are you saying?
Let me repost what I said for you
Liar, if you WERE a Liberal, you wouldnt be saying "Now, I also am a former Democrat bleeding heart liberal"....
What you WOULD be saying is an intelligent opinion that differs from "Liberals"
DID I SAY "INTELLIGENT OPTION"? NOPE
I am not saying that you should be a Democrat, we dont need you, we dont want you
What I DID SAY, THAT IF YOU WERE A DEM AT ANYTIME, YOU WOULD BE SMARTER THAN YOU ARE AND WOULD HAVE COMMENTED MORE INTELLIGENTLY THAN YOU DID
get it?
Here's another reason for Vice President Biden to keep repeating "Osama Bin Laden is dead & General Motors is alive". In a poll of Republicans in the state of Ohio they asked "Who do you think deserves more credit for the killing of Osama Bin Laden: Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?"(yes Mitt Romney!) 15% of them said Mitt Romney and 47% said they were not sure!
Dan
If what you are asking is if I recognize a person talking in circles so that he / she sounds smart ... yes, I get it.
And, I am a lifelong former Democrat until under a year ago, when I took the time to find the Board of Elections for the first time in my life, and, I changed to Unaffiliated. I was marched to the high school cafeteria and registered as Democrat in my youth.
I changed because Democrats have gone nuts. They do not budget. They do not believe in US borders. US citizens ... ALL US Citizens ... are now second class citizens. This country is so divided based on race that it is sad. For this country to have the history that it has, and, for everyone to be so hostile is against EVERYTHING Obama ACTED like he stood. I am angry. Obama failed. Using 'divide and conquer' tactics on the US citizens of this country is WRONG. Did you notice the response I got because I said I was white? What the heck is that? I thought Obama's mantra was FORWARD. You mean we have moved so FORWARD that I cannot even say I am white? HELLO, I AM WHITE.
And, as a liberal woman, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act for women that Obama signed in 2009 ... the Obama Administration, ironically, pays women less than men; as are women on the campaign trail. Perhaps, if you are a man, that does not bother you. IT BOTHERS ME.
The list of ironies that Obama smiles and states is his position as opposed to his actions go on FOREVER.
Hopefully, people will take the time to listen to what Obama says, and, then dig to find what Obama does. Because the MSM will not tell you. And, the difference between Obama's words and his deeds are hurting many people.
WheresCongress "The list of ironies that Obama smiles and states is his position as opposed to his actions go on FOREVER."
It's amazing that so many people listen to the rhetoric but fail to look at the actual results.
It's living proof that "You can fool SOME of the people ALL of the time".
Romney should go to Libya and be their Money Pimp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roy
And, it is sad. The War On Women is in Afghanistan where women are buried up to their necks in sand and rocks thrown at them if they are ra ped.
The war on women in the USA is the head game that Obama and Democrats are playing on women and minorities to insist they are victims ...
For the Democrat votes.
IMO, women and minorities deserve less pay. Women and minorities are being played for fools for the votes and do not even see it. For Obama to sign the LLFPA in 2009, and, then pay women less than men is a turn of the knife in the back. And, it is only one of many stabs. I repeat that example because it is Obama. It is who he is. It is who Democrats are. Pelosi, Reid, they all pay women less after signing the stupid Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
The first excuse is always ... well, women do different jobs ... so, you really cannot compare what the men are paid to what women are paid. In other words, the LLFPA is USELESS ... a ploy ... a gimmick to get the women and minority vote.
I cannot believe I was a Democrat for so many years. I believed. Apologies.
Anti-Islam video promoted by controversial Gainesville, Fla., pastor Terry Jones
By Miami Herald Staff
The attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, which left four Americans dead, including U.S. ambassador to Libya, was sparked by a short U.S.-made video mocking Islam’s founding prophet and promoted by Florida pastor Terry Jones, who inspired deadly riots in Afghanistan in 2010 and 2011 by first threatening to burn copies of the Quran and then burning one in his Gainesville church, the New York Times reported Wednesday.
The video gained international attention after it was publicized in the Egyptian media and Jones talked about it during his own proclamation of Sept. 11 as “International Judge Muhammad Day,” the newspaper reported.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/12/2998756/anti-islam-video-promoted-by-controversial.html
Pastor Terry Jones Cancels Koran Burning, Calls 'Ground Zero Mosque' Denial 'Very Disturbing'
A fiery Florida pastor today called off his bonfire of Korans after claiming he had a deal that would move a controversial mosque away from the site of the 9/11 terror attacks-- but the Muslim cleric planning the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" quickly denied to ABC News that he had agreed to move his project.
Pastor Terry Jones called the denial "very disturbing," telling ABC News' Terry Moran that assurances of a deal by Florida imam Muhammad Musri led him to drop his plan to burn Korans Saturday on the ninth anniversary of the terror attacks.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/pastor-terry-jones-cancels-koran-burning-calls-ground/story?id=11594495
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So the Preacher Man and his merry little group of followers have decided to show us all how to win the war on terrorism once again and despite all efforts from the President on down they have refuse to see sweet reason. Apparently this whole deal was a whole lot simpler to solve than anybody but the Preacher Man knew. Why apparently all we had to do on 9/12 was strap on our pistols and make a movie. Send ‘em a “message” that we’re not to be trifled with. Maybe wave around a few of those fancy flags with the Rattlesnake and“Don’t Tread on Me” written on them and fire a few shots in the air for good measure. Throw in a couple of Confederate battle flags just so’s we are heard loud and clear. I’m right sure that when all them Islamic Heathens received the Preacher Man’s message that they’d of just thrown down their AK-47’s and just ran shivering back up into the hills never to be heard from again. Just look at all the money and young lives we could have saved over the last 10 years if the Preacher Man had just stepped forward earlier.
Only little question that I have for the Preacher Man and his little group is if he’s such a dedicated man of the cloth with so much righteous anger built up is why are you’ll taking the easy path to deliver your message? I mean contrary to what ATT used to tell me long distance ain’t the next best thing to being there. Why don’t you’ll call up old Uncle Whiskers and have him rustle up one of those big ol’ C5A’s and airlift you right on over to the Middle East so you can go on down to the big market square and deliver your message up close and personal. Kind of eliminate the middle man so to speak so you can be sure that your message is heard without that media biased filter that everybody tells me about.
Guess I’m forgetting that it’s a whole lot easier to deliver your message in good old Gainesville surrounded by a whole raft of Policemen and Federal agents sworn to protect your unalienable rights to make d@mn fools of yourselves than to have to look the fellow that you’re fixing to piss off in the eye. You’d rather leave that little detail to the fine young men and women of our Armed Forces and the civilians of the State Department.
Might I also suggest that if Ol’ Willard and Lil’ Paulie are suggesting that we conduct our Foreign Policy as practiced by this particular brand of Bushra that before the election they book passage on that same C5A so they can see right up close and personal the results of that “support”.
Shady, your delusions will end in November when Obama is handily re-elected. Romney is finished - you just haven't figured it out yet.
Independent; you are so right, ship the Pastor over to the Middle East to hand deliver hand deliver his message. Guess we won't see him again and no great loss. He is no man of God
"Don't let up Mitt, Americans need to thear the truth". Well, yes we do, but I sincerely doubt it will come from the mouth of Mitt or Paulie.
I wouldn't trust Romney with Romney's dog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kathleen, it will probably be close, and Romney might win despite himself. The fact that it's even a race with a recession recovery stalling, debt rising to dangerous levels and unemployment this high is a testament to the crappy nomination choice made by Republicans.
By the way, the rising debt is pretty much a continuation of an accelerating trajectory that has been in place for 30 years. Regardless of who wins in November, it will grow even faster, as more baby boomers move from wage earners to entitlement recipients. This is a problem we've known was coming for decades. We just failed to do anything about it, in a massive, bi-partisan failure.
The race for Willard Romney is over. The debates will end it for him.
Obama - Biden 2012 Forward with the Truth!!!
Romney blew it big time. He made accusations without all the facts, and when proven wrong doubled down that he was right. He pounces on Obama for not taking accountability for anything, and Romney can't take ownership for his own misguided comments.
Furthermore, Romney in his criticizing Obama is fanning the flames of these attacks. If I were a Muslim (and I'm not) wanting to protest, and I heard Romney criticize Obama I would feel even more justified in trying to over run an embassy.
Romney is in desperation mode. The wheels are coming off the wagon. He can't talk about the economy anymore since Clinton's speech. What's left in the tank?
Blame the media.
IR -
If only the world was as simple as the simple-minded Republicans seem to think. If we could only get the rest of the world to agree that American principles and ideals are the right way.
That our religion is superior, and theirs should be ignored.
That our way of government is the only true way to run a country, and they should adopt it.
Unfortunately Republicans can't rely on the strength of their arguments or example, so they rely on the strength of our military. They are more than willing to sit in their living rooms waiting on another tax-cut while they send our soldiers off to die.
Let me make something perfectly clear - there are no simple answers to the complex political and religous issues in the Middle East.
Just like Tax Cuts do not solve every Domestic Issue, the use of military force does not solve every international issue.
Morning, Darlin'.
I want to know what the heck is in Romney's head to be having smiles and smirks during his statement yesterday morning and as he left the podium directly afterwards.
http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romney-blasted-for-politicizing-death.html
https://twitter.com/CharlesDharapak/status/245893711257563136/photo/1
What the heck is this guy thinking? After he doubles down on his lying, he is SMIRKING as if to say "Obama really (blank) the pooch on this one. I got him!" when he should be thinking about the American diplomats that were killed, injured and in harm's way. What a piece of excrement!
Fox News is already preparing its faithful sheep for a terrible Romney performance. They've been reminding them that the "liberal media" is conducting the debate, so they will "make" Romney look bad. As Chuck Todd says above, the losing side always blames the media.
IR, thanks for sharing the article; your assessment is on target.
It is beyond me how radical, extremist evangelicals like Terry Jones who purposely incite violence do not see that they are as dangerous and intolerant as are radical, extremist Muslims.
Morning Cat my Ace.....How's the youngster doing with his schoolin' ?
Thanks for the information, IR. I'd heard about the video and the "pastor" and appreciated the links.
Shady G - Karma is a bitch and you've definitely earned your fair share this morning.
Obama/Biden 2012
During the Libyan revolution, I participated in the discussions on various Libyan Facebook pages and have some Libyan friends on Facebook. To them, Ambassador Stevens was a hero and they are heartsick over what happened. I wish the media would show some of the pro American demonstrations that happened yesterday in Benghazi and Tripoli.
In typical Obama fashion the blame for our Embassies burning is not his fault. So what if Obama has missed over half the intelligence briefing since taking office. So what if our Embassies were unprepared on the anniversary of 9/11. So what if both Obama and Biden have been incessantly bragging about the killing of Bin Laden. So what if protesters were screaming there are a billion Osama's Obama when then stormed our Embassy walls. Blame some obscure YouTube video no one had ever heard of and had been posted for months. How convenient.
Question to Democrats:
How well has Obama's outreach to the Muslim world worked out?
hmmm...?
Let's see, Egypt used to be an ally, until Obama told Mubarak to "GET OUT NOW" instead of making sure that there will be a safe transition so that enemies of the United States like say the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD wouldn't take over the country...
Burning down American embassies in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and SYRIA, don't forget that Obama sent an ambassador to Syria only to have to pull him out of there again after Assad the great "reformer" killed tens of thousands of his own people and after repeated attacks against the embassy and the ambassador there!
Thank God the ambassador to Syria got out of there in time!!!
And what about Pakistan, are they still America's allies?
And how about Obama's outreach to IRAN. How's that working out?
But The Muslim Brotherhood are the starkest example of how naive and amateurish this president's foreign policy has been. Remember how Director of National Intelligence Clapper told us how the Muslim Brotherhood are a bunch of "mostly secular" guys!
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It is just so F%^& ing ironic that the same week that Obama starts his attack against Romney on foreign policy, his own failed foreign policy blows up in his face! It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic!
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OBAMA HAS FAILED!
TIME TO KICK HIM OUT!
He's doing fine with school. Has a bit of a problem remembering how to correctly hold the pencil and maybe talks too much in line or during times he should be working, but overall he's doing great. Especially when you consider he's never been in daycare or preschool so he's not used to the structure of being in school all day. I'm doing ok with getting used to him being gone all day, though waking up at 6:15 is tough because I'm NOT a morning person! How about yerself?
Los man, funny you should mention peace through strength as it was one of the Nazi slogans that the propagandists used to get the German people to buy into starting WWII. Fascism hasn't changed, just a different crowd supporting it.
Hey, did we blame Bush for the 9-11 attack? There were lots of questions about airline security and ignored warning signs of terrorist activity in the aftermath. I. for one, was more concerned with getting Bin Laden and his terrorist band. Some condemned all Muslims. Pres. Bush, much to his credit, called for people not to blame all Muslims for the attack, since only a small terrorist group of Islamic extremists were behind it.
Now, we have another attack. 4 Americans are dead, not 3000 and we will see that these terrorists in Libya are captured. We will not see two more wars in our future, I hope, as we learn that cooperation is better than confrontation.
Now, if only, we could muzzle those Muslim haters among us as they spew their hatred undermining our efforts at peace in the Middle east. Remember what Pres. Bush said, Muslims are not to blame. I do not blame Christians for people like Terry Jones and timothy McVeigh. I know most Christians are good people. Ditto for the Muslim world.
Sounds like he's just a typical boy there Ace. Keep me up to speed on how he's doing time to time. Me I'm busy as a one legged man in a butt kickiing contest but I'd rather stay that way than the alternative makes the day go faster. Shucks I'm so used to having to get up at o'dark thirty to be at work someplace that I've had two cups of coffee by 6:15. on the other hand 3;30 or 4;00 you can stick a fork in me I'm done and I'll bet with your crowd your just getting started
Yup ... 3:30 is when he gets home from school. Then it's wrangling boy and HUGE dog (Mastiff) for the rest of the afternoon and evening.
09-13-12
The newest research from Nate has it as the NOV 6 factors:
“Obama chance of winning 80.8% Romney 19.2%”
“Projected Winner Obama 315.4”
“Projected Loser Romney 222.6”
Popular Vote:
Obama 51.5% Romney 47.5%
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However, if the election was being voted in “Now Cast” Today:
Totals
“Obama chance of winning 91.6% Romney 8.4%”
“Projected Winner Obama 319.0”
“Projected Loser Romney 219.0”
Popular Vote:
Obama 51.2% Romney 47.8%
Still missing the meds are we?
Now I see why Romney was a reject from 2000, this Clown is beyond a Pathological Liar !!!!!!!!
I would be very, very afraid if Romney were President right now, especially if his foreign policy team was staffed with the worst of the Bush-era neo-cons. Romney once told us he wasn't a "bomb-thrower," now he is pouring gas on a crisis in progress, yet another flip flop, apparently.
The Republicans are in "repeat it and make it true" mode.
Obama condemned the attacks.
He made moves to make all embassy's more secure.
He parked two navy vessels off of the Libyan coast.
I bet in the next 48 to 72 hours there will be a special op and we'll see that we've captured those that killed Stevens or that they've killed them.
So much, for Republicans and their "appeasement" campaign.
Amy B. Portland, ME
do you ever get tired of spreading propaganda? You love your Orwellian dystopia. Remember Progressives today we are at war with Eastasia
The Repugtards led by Mitt the Twitt is grabbing at straws! Talk about having his head up is AZZ!
Willard and lyin Ryan will lose by a landslide!
Hey Willard, have you asked Osma Bin Laden if he is better off!
We would all be better off if we had a miniscule tax rate like you!!!!
SHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE YOUR TAXES YOU LIAR!!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!!
Propoganda from the last regime - War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. Hmm maybe that was from a book or something.
Back to the real world, I hope that the killers are brought to Justice in Libya. Appropriate diplomatic action needs to be taken in Egypt to coerce the Muslim Brotherhood to not stand by and watch our embassies attacked (it is there duty to help us). It would be nice to get a quick resolution to these troubles and I encourage a bolstering of our embassies with swift response forces. However, care must be taken to work with those governments who are willing, Libya, Yemen, (ally/enemy - Egypt?) to bring these groups to justice.
One thing to add, despite what Nate Silver says, register and vote. In my opinion it will be a very close election, pushing a false sense of inevitability could do the Democrats more harm then good. Purely political statement, numerous states and their R legislatures are actively trying to diminish the voters power and restrict/rig the vote.
savannah, it is heart warming that you liberal left wingnuts are so concerned about the welfare of a dead terrorist, however wouldn't it be more appropriate for you, your party, and the Obama administration to ask the 23 million unemployed and under employed Americans if they are better of today?
Yeah, protesters were storming our Embassy walls screaming there are a billion Osama's Obama because of a YouTube video. The only people more out of touch with reality then Obama, are the one's that would re-elect him. Obama lit this fuse with his incessant bragging about killing Bin Laden, which seems to be what his entire re-election campaign is based upon. Obama is downsizing our military at a time he is making the world less safe. So what is next, another round of golf or a campaign stop or two?
Libs are funny sheep. They are totally uncaring about the problems facing the US. They are only concerned with being in power. That's ok, because Repubs are the same way. However, libs constantly act as if they are above the repubs, yet when Romney stuck his foot in his mouth Obama had to do the same. If Obama had class he wouldn't have even acknowledged Romney's comment. Then he makes the shoot-aim comment and all the libs jump on the wagon. It wasn't even a good comment, really. But it doesn't matter to libs as long as their man wins. I really believe that libs would sacrifice their own children if it would keep their man in power. Libs suck, Repubs suck. And that's the bottom line, cause, it just is.
It may be a little early to start picking apart the Romney campaign carcass but the lights are going out one by one and even Republicans are shying away from changing the bulbs.
The sheer volume in errors of statement, omission, conviction; the never ending flip flops, the alienation of large sectors of voters, the refusal to be honest to the American people by releasing his taxes and not dealing with the skeletons of Bain, and perhaps worst of all, allowing his SuperPacs to run on Fear and Hate (the most divisive of all messages) are all driving his car into a ditch that has no elevator.
Romney’s ballyhooed abilities as the great corporate leader are now an open question and the answer is looking decidedly negative. Of all the fish in the Republican Sea from which to choose a running mate, he opted for an eel, an electric one to be sure but one obviously un-embraceable. When it came to Foreign Policy advisors, which accounts for much of a President’s boardroom and raison d’etre, he brought on board any and every neo-con he could find, and from the fiascos of China, Russia, England, Palestine to Libya and Egypt, one can only at this point surmise that Romney would defend America by needlessly spilling the blood of Her sons and daughters, and insulting friends and foes alike. As to Romney’s prescriptions for the major issues confronting America internally, he offers up but a cookbook full of pictures and vague recipes. The citizens of America are America’s shareholders and to tell them not to worry because the proof will be in the pudding that will be baked after the election is an insult that can only be delivered by a hubris that has always been disconnected from the reality that most Americans experience.
Insult walks hand in hand with injury, and the injury will come from Independent voters as their choices are narrowed to either the Libertarian or Democratic Parties or just plain abstaining. The real Intelligentsia of the Republican Party are beginning to circle the wagons, and it is not to defend Romney but to defend whatever chance they may have in 2016. If you are A Republican and must follow Sarah Palin’s advice is to unleash the bear claws and attempt to tear Obama apart, you are in trouble. However, when Peggy Noonan advises the Republican Party to tear itself apart in order to rebuild a viable Party, you, Mitt Romney, are in deep trouble.
well said BCWC. This has become a train wreck, and not even the right screaming about media bias is going to smooth away all the inanity for this candidate.
Romney's diplomatic experience is in his Toilet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BCWC,
The question of the day is what would Mitt do with that 3 am phone call?
We got a glimpse in the last two days. Scary
He is not the one to be on the other end of that phone call.
BCWC, terrific post. Mitt Romney is not ready to lead in times of crisis; he doesn't even do basic homework before injecting himself into situations where he has no business.
BCWC - great post. I always appreciate your observations.
Was watching something last night while trying to fall asleep (Chris or The Ed Show ... can't remember) but did sit up when they stated the similarities between what is coming out of Romney's mouth versus Palin's and the observations that they are so very similiar. Romney doesn't know who to pander to anymore so has taken the low-blow tea party "it's all his fault" approach. Sad, that the GOP didn't realize it was Sarah's mouth that totally stained their party the last go round.
Layton, I must admit that I do take in MSNBC during the evening but it is peppered with chasing down whatever the respected talking heads of the Conservatives have to say (Noonan, Frum, Will and the like). I need to get some more balance in with the Daily Show or some Colbert. Oh, here's a bone for my detractors, I also read what Al Jazeera International has to say when it comes to what is going on in the middle east. I can't wait for the dogs to come running.
blackcatwhitecat: Yes. Witness Huntsman's interview with Andrea Mitchell. Huntsman said he supports Romney for his economic/tax/energy policy, offers the view that the Muslim world is undergoing a 100-year change requiring thoughtful interventions to protect US interests, then finishes with "I never talk to him [Romney]."
Lots of cognitive dissonance in the Republican Party, so inevitably in the Candidate and the Campaign. They don't know what they believe, except that Obama has to go. Presumably for no other reason than that Obama is not one of them.
Obama 2012
It's 3:00 AM.....Mitt Romney Answered the Wrong Phone. Conscience without judgment is superstition, Benjamin Whichcote.
For a person who has been running for President about six years, the ineptness of Mitt Romney is astounding. Romney fails the Common Sense Test when it comes to foreign affairs. Romney is incapable of grasping the most elementary rules of good judgement.
The phone Mitt Romney answered was that of his GOP Op Ed critics, FOX entertainers like Laura Ingraham, and radio bombast Rush Limbaugh. Those critics called Romney weak, urged him to get meaner, nastier, attack President Obama, call him a socialist, push the "other" message, toss more red meat, blow the dog whistles. By Monday, Mitt had said "yes" to the irrelevant voices at the other end of the phone.
Those who seek the truth, the facts know the scenario of events which took place in Egypt and Libya. At 10:00 PM Tuesday night (it was scheduled to be released at midnight because it was 9/11 after all)--without knowing the facts, without knowing the full extent of what was happening and while the attacks were on-going--Mitt Romney attacked President Obama for a US Embassy statement released at 6:17 AM Eastern time Tuesday and a full six (6) hours BEFORE the attacks in Cairo took place. The statement was NOT an apology contrary to conservative drum beating.
What does this say about Mitt Romney? It says that he and his staff heard about the Cairo Embassy statement and decided it would make a good political drum to beat; he could promote the notion of President Obama as "other" and not really American, he could blow the dog whistle again. It says that Mitt Romney and his team FAILED to recognize that something bigger had happened; FAILED to grasp that for the first time in 33 years a US Ambassador, and three others, had been killed; FAILED to grasp that when there are crises overseas, WE HAVE ONE PRESIDENT AT A TIME. Romney heard the voices of Ingraham, Kristol, Limbaugh and Mitt Romney did the unthinkable--he politicized the deaths of four Americans serving our country on foreign soil. Romney injected himself into a situation where he did not belong. The Romney campaign issued talking points to GOP legislators telling them to back Romney; but Boehner, McConnell and others ignored them because they knew and understood when to keep quiet, when to not play politics.
Worse, Mitt Romney doubled down on his mistake Wednesday morning and cancelled his scheduled campaign rally. Staffers tore down the rally set and putt up an appropriately stark setting for Romney's "pre-emptive" address to the Nation--get out in front of President Obama; talk tough, wave the flag, imply our President is unpatriotic, and above all, imply President Obama does not share the same values as every other American.
Late Tuesday and again yesterday, Mitt Romney proved once again that he is not capable of answering the 3:00 AM phone call. Romney proved that President Obama's words at the Democratic Convention about Romney were accurate. "After all, you don't call Russia our number one enemy--and not al Qaeda--unless you're still stuck in a Cold War time warp. You might not be ready for diplomacy with Beijing if you can't visit the Olypics without insulting our closest ally."
Very good heart felt points Jody. Thank you for your thoughtful insight. It looks like any real republican with half a brain will not be voting for Willard Romney. What a sad choice this man has turned out to be.
Uh, Jody? Got any answers for why Embassy staff in Libya was in a building with no security other than a door lock?
No Marines- standard at other locations.
No bulletproof glass.
No reinforced doors.
How about an easier one- why was not security beefed up at any of our Embassies on 9/11? Is Obama so drugged by his own self adulation that he believes that there would never be any threat because he is so beloved by the world?
If the stakes were not so high, you people would make me laugh.
As it is, you make me sick.
ALERT!! NoJo needs a barf bag. Anyone got one with holes in it?
Try using NoJos head
Job1, thanks.
Oh, what a shame, Snookie Joe is on ignore and I can't open her comment. Darn, reading her factless, anti-Obama rants can be amusing at times.
Obama/Biden 2012.
No Joe, to answer your question. If I understand it correctly, it is not uncommon for Amabassadors to move around the country they are in and this was just a temporary visit and this was not an official embassy but a temporary place for them to stay while they were there to open an agricultural center. There were armed guards (Marines) there but I have not heard anything about only a "door lock". there was a "Safe room" and Ambassador Stevens and Mr. Smith were in it until time to try to get them out of the building. I'm so sorry for all of these families, however, they knew the area they were going to be in was not an assignment in Paris or London and knew of the danger. How do you know that the actual Embassy did not have beefed up security? The stakes are very high, especially for working/middle class families like mine, don't worry love, you make me much sicker than I could ever make you.
Union Bady,
I read the same story of where in Libya Mr. Stenves was when killed.He was not at the embassy.
But NOJNOB reads only the headlines and her map of Libya is the globe she got for Christmas back in the 1950's.
As always, enjoyed reading your thoughts Jody. When you can't stand up to a schoolyard bully like ElRushbo, how are you going to talk tough to terrorists? or Putin? or Beijing? you aren't.
People have been talking alot about failure in regards to the current President. Mr. Romney's actions over this instance define failure. Failure to understand the situaiton, failure to respond appropriately, and a failure in judgement. Mr Romney has shown me through this that he's not capable of having the responsibility of defending the red button.
Which Romney shoot first and aim later, the draft dodger Romney or the Looney Tune Clown Romney. It's your Pick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent post Jody. You know when NoJo offers up invective and Monday morning QB that you have made a valid argument. She is starting to sound like she is clinging to the rat that jumped the sinking ship.
Marines are NOT standard at other locations. They are usually only at the large, more sensitive locations. The post had security; remember, 8 Libyans were killed also. The ambassador was well respected & liked in Libya for putting his life on the line by coming to Libya during their revolution and working with the rebels to build a relationship for the future. The protest started peaceful - then folks showed up with sophisticated weapons and RPG's. You are a fool if you think this wasn't a coordinated attack using protesters as convenient cover.
NJNB & ShadyG-
Hindsight is 20/20 - why didn't Romney call for additonal security at our embassies prior to the attacks? Why didn't GW Bush prevent the 9/11 tragedy when he had knowledge of an eminent US attack by Al Quada? Do I blame GW Bush? No. It is difficult to stop an organized terrorsit attack.
It is truly pathetic that you are more concerned about assigning blame to President Obama than you are about the loss of American lives.
Romney is a perfect candidate for you, party before country.
"Got any answers for why Embassy staff in Libya was in a building with no security other than a door lock?"
See my post at #1 above. Were you at the embassy yourself, NoJoe? Did you feel threatened? Did you request extra security? Who did you submit your request to, and what was their reply? How many discussions did you all have about the wisdom of beefing up an American military present in an already fragile, tenuous situation, and what was the consensus opinion by the rest of the staff who was right there with you? What were you hearing from the actual Libyan citizens you talked to on the street every day? How about the intelligence reports you were getting - what did they say? Who were your Libyan counterparts? How often did you speak with them? When was the last time you personally spoke to President Obama or to Secretary Clinton? What was your plan of defense or evacuation if the embassy ever was attacked? How did you manage to be utterly alone and defenseless and yet still keep the battle raging with your far-outnumbered and out-armed attackers for over five hours?
And perhaps most important, since you were obviously such a close personal friend of his - why on earth did an apparently smart, dedicated, compassionate, devoted public servant like Chris Stevens even accept a job offer in a dangerous country from a president who's so "drugged by his self-adulation" that he would deliberately put him and his staff at such risk? Was your close personal friend really that stupid?
Come on, NoJoe - you're just dying to "educate" me again. Well, have at it. After all, you were there and I wasn't.....right?
PS to Jody - Excellent post - if I could switch places and get yours to the top of the page, I would.
Well, Union Baby, you might try other sources than NBC for information.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81134.html?hp=l5_b1
From the article
|The Benghazi consulate had "lock-and-key" security, not the same level of defenses as a formal embassy, an intelligence source told POLITICO. That means it had no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81134.html#ixzz26MMAGzjl
Also,
|The consulate where the American ambassador to Libya was killed on Tuesday is an "interim facility" not protected by the contingent of Marines that safeguards embassies, POLITICO has learned.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81134.html#ixzz26MMcpjXC
The line "the contingent of Marines that safeguards embassies" mean anything to you?
This "interim facility" has been "interim" for over a year- plenty of time to reinforce doors, add bulletproof glass, and get the Marines there to defend it.
It was just another glaring example of Obama being too distracted by fundraising and golf to do his job-
As to Joann- I don't need to be in dry woods to know that it is dangerous to start a campfire. Your ability to defend the indefensible is not admirable- I have long maintained that if Obama strangled a puppy, you and the rest of the cult would find a way to defend him.
You've just proven it.
Similar to your defense of Todd Akin and his "legitimate rape" comments? You're a hypocrite at best.
Gosh NJBJ is so ultra-disgusted, her poor little itty-bitty head is just about ready to pop like a kernel of Mr. Redenbacher's popcorn. By golly NJBJ, maybe the reason security wasn't beefed up on 9/11/2012 is for the same reason it wasn't beefed up on:
9/11/2010; 9/11/2008; 9/11/2006; 9/11/2003
Perhaps you should have loaned your magic 8-ball to Obama so he could have predicted 9/11/2012 was a special date requiring special actions for a special event. Wouldn't that have been easier than suffering through all the disgust raging through your veins? Why, if you had saved the day, you might have received a gold lettered invitation to the mythical tree house you love to envision.
Why do Fox News and others keep repeating Mitt Romney's ridiculous claim that the US Embassy statement was an "apology"? The statement clearly was an attempt to prevent violence by condemning a blasphemous anti-Islam film and expressing tolerance for other's religous beliefs while acknowledging freedom of speech.
Can someone please point out to me where in that statement is an "apology"?
To follow that logic, why did Romney "apologize" for Todd Akin's rape comments?
What is the difference?
It now appears that the facility was attacked by a well armed jihadist group of the type that could care less whether they lived or died. A contingent of marines would not have stopped the attack and bullet proof windows and reinforced doors would not have stopped the RPGs.
Your issues are for another day. What is at issue is Romney's bungling of the situation as it was yet to unfold.
Every day you show up with your panties already in knots ... take the day off and go to Costco, panties at least are sold in three-packs there.
Good lord - now this freak show wants Obama to personally oversee reinforcement of every Embassy in the world. No doubt, she won't be satisfied until he pulls out his carpenter tools and starts hammering away. The yammering from this complainer-in-chief is non-stop.
Excellent post Jody. Also great posts JoAnn of PA. This is why we cannot let Romney get the chance to take that 3 AM phone call. It will be a catastrophe not only for our country but also for the entire world to have someone whose lack of objectivity and honesty is beyond belief, as the leader of the free world.
Only we the voters have the power to stop that. We must (every US citizen who loves the country) should make the correct choice come November, and re-elect President Obama. He is by far the better person to lead this country than this person who is clueless about everything that a leader should know, including foreign diplomacy and economy. We don't need any more wars. Let's make the correct choice regardless of our political affiliations, simply for the sake of our own country.
Vote for Obama/Biden 2012: Becuase the alternative is ....truly scary.
I think what is really telling from all the RWNJ's...(and I may have missed it)...but has any one of them condemned the video that started this????
My guess is NO.....they probably think it's a JOKE when you insult others religion.....Yea...you're not so supposed to be violent or take it so seriously...but some people do...
So much for those right wing CHRISTIAN extremists who follow those 10 commandments where one of them sez.....LOVE THY NEIGHBOR...oh...and that one about THAT SHALT NOT KILL or THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR.....
yea those words...I'm sure Mitt and Paul follow them to the hilt.....
GNOP can't stand facts..THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
C'mon Mythe - Show us the 1040's.....What ARE you hiding@?
RedDev -
I am sure NJNB also blames then-President Reagan for the deaths of the Marines at the Beirut Embassy in 1983?
Maybe Reagan was also "drugged by his own self adulation" and "believed there would never be any threat because he is so beloved by the world".
Those responsible in both instances are the violent terrorists who seek to attack America and overthrow democracy in the Middle East.
Well, tinfoil, as nice as it is that you already think Romney won, he does not have the authority to beef up security at our Embassies- that's a job for the president.
Neither does Romney get intelligence briefings. In that sense, he is not unlike Obama- who cannot bother to avail himself of information that might be helpful
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316422/obama-missing-daily-intelligence-meetings-regularly-katrina-trinko#
He attend less than 44% of such briefings. Tells me all I need to know about how informed he is- or how high a priority it is to him.
Somewhere between addressing the debt, and focusing on the economy, it seems. Certainly not at the top of the list with Golf and fundraising.
Gosh, you know things are getting bad when NoJoe trots out the poor strangled puppies again. Not to mention golf. You forgot "teleprompter", though.
Can "Obama is a dog-eating homophobe" be far behind? :)
And just for the record, NJ, I wasn't "defending" anything in my post; I was pointing out the absurdity of commenting on things that neither one of us has any first-hand knowledge of. I could also point out that the only people here who actually expect President Obama to be the Messiah are people like you, but the irony would probably be lost on you. I see you've even personally been sitting in on ALL of the intelligence briefings and taking attendance too. Good for you!
And I say to you in all good faith that when the time finally comes that you've been promising us for the last four years, I vow to risk the wrath of my fellow libs, take a Secret Service bullet, and die happy (if all alone and friendless) as I tackle the President and wrest that poor innocent little puppy from his evil hands and save its innocent young life.
Romney/Ryan 2012 - Do It For The Puppies!
Great post, Jody ....
I found the entire "press conference" for Mitt yesterday utterly ridiculous. It was so apparent that he wants to stand in front of the blue wall in the press room and behind a presidential podium. Since he can't, he made his own little version to deliver his "speech." The smirking smile after his words ... let's just say my mama would have smacked that one off of my face.
Good job all of you trying to get NJ to understand anything. Personally a ride on top of the car in a crate might just blow some fresh air and thoughts into her tiny brain.
Obama/Biden 2012
There is a fitting word for the mother of a litter of puppies. It would certainly explain her proclivity to continually bring up the issue of dogs.
Speaking of odd body language - did you notice how many times he blinked during his little speech. Was that dirt in his eye or was he up to his eyes in @!$%#.
So, the simple fact that our people were in a building with no more than a door lock to protect them somehow falls under the "we weren't there, therefore we know nothing" trope that somehow, protects Obama from fault in any of this?
It's actually pretty simple- Obama abdicated his responsibility way back in early 2010, by not sending food from our reserves to ameliorate tensions in the Middle East and North Africa. He compounded that by taking the side of he-knew-not-who in Egypt, getting us into an illegal "kinetic military operation" in Libya- then leaving our diplomatic personnel out in the open with minaimal defenses when they were attacked on 9/11.
A. Five year old could comprehend all the failures. Cult members, however, are too clouded in their thinking.
I was too busy watching him sweat...
Even his magic underwear is unable to keep him dry!
NJNB -
So you must then blame GW Bush for 9/11, and Pres. Reagan for the Beirut embassy bombing?
In hindsight, both former presidents avoided putting simple security procedures in place that would have prevented those tragedies. Do you assign twisted motives to their lack of pre-crisis actions? What is the cause of their "failures"?
In hindsight, how many daily security briefings did GW Bush miss while on his nine vacations - totaling over 60 days off - during his first year?
Again, it is a shame that you place your political party ahead of your country and try to assign blame instead of mourn the loss of American lives. I have confidence that OUR President will find those truly responsible and bring them to justice.
TN - that would be the logical conclusion, but we are talking No Jo here and she has such a blind hatred for the President, no doubt her reasoning concludes Obama was in Beirut smoking a joint, planting the bomb, then ending the day by dining on dog jerky to quash the munchies.
Of course, Harley Chic's version of the story is the President emerged from the jungle and hitched a ride to Beirut, stopping at every oasis to smoke crack.
You talk of party before country? Then, you MUST be condemning Obama for skipping yesterday's intelligence briefing in favor of attending a fundraiser, correct?
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t/blogEntry?id=17214825
From where I sit, it is Obama who puts partying before country. And his cult members applaud him for it, so you're just as bad.
In his book, "Surrender Is Not An Option, John Bolton wrote that Reform of the State Department is
critical to advancing American interests more effectively, and we need it before it is too late." That
said, in my opinion, foreign policy with Secretary of State Hilliary Clinton has increased seven-fold.
We should have rebuilt the towers one foot taller because we don't surrender to our enemies.
BTW, and off topic, but I am seriouslyupset with the Old King James version of Hebrews 4:8 which
I just "discovered": For if Jesus had given rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of
another day. " Of course, the correct reading is Joshua. I don't get it; a mystery
It looks like many republicans are now going through buyer’s remorse for picking these foolish men, Willard Mitt-Wit Romney, and Lying Ryan the talking lying buffoons, as the Republican choice for President -Vice President of the United States.
Your cut and paste skills are admirable. Now get to work - 7-Eleven needs the Squishy-machine cleaned.
Better hurry up TexasT, you don't want to be late if those machines need cleaning that badly.
Do you think he's employed?
Romney said Davey Crockett killed his Great Grandfather, Remember the Alamo !!!!!!!!!!!!
I think he's the Foreign Policy advisor for Mitt Romney.
Texas T is one of those welfare tea baggers.
Right on Job 1!!! Over 38 percent of the welfare receipents are White!!!People who are on welfare (Government Assistance) are White and speak negatively about the Government. I'll bet that they are overwhelmingly Tea Baggers!!!!!
They give new meaning to the word Hypocrite!!!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Hey Mitt the Twitt, Show us your taxes!!!!!!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
To "Sam Bacile" and Terry Jones,
Are you proud of yourselves? Are you proud of your film, Innocence of Muslims?
Don't answer...I already know the answer...and the answer is "no". Why else would you release a film that was produced under the nom de guerre of "Sam Bacile". Nobody seems to know who you really are as this appears to be an assumed name. What, are you that chicken-s*** that you can't even put your own name to your work, you feckless thug?
You throw lit matches around with little or no regard for the consequences. Are you personally responsible for the deaths of J. Christopher Stevens and 3 other employees of the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi? No...but your film created a protest that facilitated their deaths and so you nonetheless bear a burden of responsibility.
I know that our Constitution allows you to make a film like Innocence of Muslims. However, with every right comes a responsibility. You have freedom of speech but you do not have freedom from the consequences of what you say and just because you CAN do something does not mean that you SHOULD do something.
...but it's too late for that now. The die has been cast and it is time to enjoy the fruits of your labors.
Maybe his real name is James O'Keefe?
Funny this movie has supposedly been out for several months, so it must have been purely cooincidental that the Embassy protests and attacks occurred on the anniversary of 9/11.
It's OK to admit we got caught with our pants down. Because that is exactly what happened, not some conjured up movie reaction.
It was only just this month that the film was dubbed into Arabic and dropped onto YouTube.
www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/09/12/how-innocence-of-muslims-spread-around-the-globe-and-killed-a-us-diplomat
Keep telling yourself the movie maker was at fault for the death of the Ambassador. Radical Islamics hell-bent on destroying the US killed our Ambassador, my friend.
Thank God President Obama is our President. It make me sick to think what life would be like if McCain -Palin were in office.
Actually I don't think the movie or 9-11 had anything to do with the attack, it was in response to the fact that we took out their #2 AlQuada operative and killed ben laden. Some protested the movie (which even the actors are pretty upset about because the producer must have done some very unethical editing after it was filmed - not illegal, but not all unethical things are illegal, now are they?) and those protestors were not violet, however, the folks who infiltrated the peaceful protest were there with a purpose and a mission to avenge those two events. Some are probably not too happy we took out gadaffi (I'm thrilled we finally did, Regan should have done it - he did not, bush 1 should have done it - he did not, and clinton should have done it but did not either). Most often it is better to know all the facts instead of so much specuation. The real solution? Stop the addiction to their oil and you will no longer care what happens in that part of the world.
Gee, da noid, you really believe that a lot of these crazy ragheads don't speak and understand English? The translation and release in Arabic was just a coincidence of the anniversary of 9/11. But that's okay; all those crazed Islamic firebombers love Oblameo's smooth backside.
"W" said Mission Accomplished when he left office !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Da Noid: Terry Jones made that movie for Jesus, who is now one pissed-off Liberal.
Obama/Biden for my God & Country
Exito ...
Loved the post!!!!
obama is a foreign policy crisis. Thanks goodness they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize before they had to justify it.
Similar to your high school degree?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
I'm working my DVR Fast Forward button too hard as it is with the ads we've got already. ;-)
I can offer you a vacation room in Montreal for the duration. :-)
BCWC...LOL...very very tempting!!! :-)
If we are recommendin Canadian cities, I would like to put Niagra Falls on the list. Very nice, lots of things to do, and not as crummy as Buffalo.
ShineyRedSnout
We only treat sourpusses badly. Come with a better attitude the next time.
If you go to someplace learn to speak at least a little bit of the language. You don't have to be fluent, but if your hosts see that you are making an effort you will be treated much better. This is especially true of France and by extension, Quebec. "Please", "Thank you", and "My (insert language) isn't very good, can you help me?", go a very long way.
Frank - Not to put you on the spot, but any thoughts on the embassy attack, Romney and or Obama responses. I have wanted to have a discussion with a reasonable republican about this for the last two days, to get their viewpoint. Unfortunately have only ended up hitting my head against a brick wall.
Yesterday was a sad reminder that there comes a time where you need to take a deep breath before you speak. We've had too many people saying too many things with too few facts.
Yesterday was also a sad reminder of why we as humans hate. Hate is easy. It requires no effort, no courage, no trust and no leap of faith.
The easiest reaction to what happened in Benghazi is to lash out...to seek the highest level of punishment imaginable for those who would perpetrate such an act. It's easy...and that's why it is wrong.
I am reminded of the simplest truth in the world...that I am not responsible for how you treat me but I am responsible for how I treat you.
Da Noid, I really appreciated your call yesterday for both sides not to use the assasination of the American ambassador in Libya for political purposes. I tried to hold back on my comments, but, I confess I found it difficult. You are a better person than me, for sure.
I find it interesting that a Youtube movie is being blamed for the uproar in the Middle East. Does anyone recall any violence after Obama killed Osama? Come on people stop being so freaking naive!!! Come on folks you can't have it both ways. Biden and everyone wants to brag about this, but did you all really appreciate the implications of this? Not only you killed him, but the constant bragging about it. Maybe ya'll need to google and read up on Middle Eastern history and learn that these folks never forget. They not only don't forget, they are very patient and will retaliate in time. You people can't have things both ways. You can't say that Obama handled the deaths of Americans well yesterday by being all passive and pussified when in the recent past ya'll talking about how bad ass he is and going in there and kicking *ss. Either you are the former or the latter, but you can't be fluctuating between the two, because if you do, it is only a matter of time before others force you to show your true colors. That is what is happeneing now. That movie was simply a coincidence. Wake up people and stop being so gullible and naive!!!
You are portrying this scenario in a false dichotomy: black and white, this or that, when the reality is there are infinite shades of grey when it comes to these things. There is a time for tough action, and a time for soft words spoken with an underlying resolve. it's the nuanced approach, and it is far better than saber-rattling for the sake of being seen as doing something.
The movie is what provided the cover for the militants. You see, the protests over the film were for the most part peaceful, nothing different than many of the protests you see stateside. These are citizens of newly democratic countries using their rights of assembly to protest something highly offensive to them. Had the movie not been translated to arabic and posted all over the internet, the need for those citizens to peacefully protest would not have been there, and the group of militants that conducted a terrorist attack on the Libyan embassy would not have been able to use them as cover for their attack. Instead, this cell of AQ would have been forced to perform an outright raid on the facility, and the servicepeople defending the embassy would have been better able to counter the attack.
i place no blame for the deaths of the 4 americans and 10 libyans on anyone except those who commited the act, and the makers of the video have every right to make their anti-islamic propaganda, but after the riots that occurred as a result of the Dutch cartoonist depicting the founder of Islam, just because we have the right to say things or post a movie to the internet doesn't mean we should take that action. Regardless of rights, you are responsible for your actions at all times, and the maker of the film should apologize to the families of those affected.
Why has everyone associated with this movie gone into hiding? Isn't his kinda' like a bunch of kids who did something they know was wrong? At the first sign of attention or someone noticing them, they scatter like cockroaches.
obozo, americas problem...
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can you imagine that? the terrorist say this movie or that book caused them to riot, and the obozobots believe them?? what a bunch of dweebs
Actually we realize it is because we are starting to thin out the lead operatives of alquada, something georgie never had the guts to do - might interfere with his oil profits, you know.
omg its jimmy carter all over again...times 10
My goodness, Mitt is Georgie Jr - all over again and this time on steroids!
The polls show the Jimmy Carter comparison is not accurate. President Obama scores well on his handling of foreign policy.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-foreign-policy
As much as I wish politics had stayed out of this awful situation, a foreign policy incident is more likely to help Obama than Romney. It keeps Romney from talking about the economy like he wants to. It shows President Obama acting, well, presidential by leading us through. And it shows how Romney is simply not ready to handle the big chair. Another unforced error, on 9/11, attacking Obama after he agreed not to attack him on 9/11.
Mitt the Twit and Bush II "You're doing a heck of a Job Brownie"!!
Obama/Biden 2012
romney had a bad day.........really not as BAD as obama...... of course the biased coverage for romney doesn't help.....see below
'open mic shows reporters coordinating question on whether romney regrets criticizing obama on egypt, libya' ....goggle it, don't take my word...it was a CBS and NPR reporter.
i wonder if they coordinate trying to sandbag obama.. of course not, he writes their questions.
..oh by the way jobless claims up by 382,000 this week, just in case nbcnews forgets to report it.
Agreed. How is this Romney's bad day when all of this death, destruction, and chaos happened on Obama's watch? Way to keep it fair media.
First and most importantly, it was a bad for America because we lost some brave citizens to senseless violence.
It was a bad day for President Obama because he will take their deaths personally, as a President should.
It was a bad day for Romney because he tried to use the "death, destruction and chaos" to score political points, even though Americans lost their lives. He appeared anyting but Presidential.
It is a sad day when political bloggers put party ahead of country, then try and blame President Obama for the "death, destruction and chaos" in the Middle East that has been happening in one form or the other for decades.
Do you blame President Reagan for the deaths of the Marines at the Beirut Embassy in 1983?
NORMALPERSON123- Just being Willard Romney and Lyin Ryan is a BAD DAY!!!!!!
Hey, did you know that Willard is actually completing his car elevator and Lyin Ryan is campaigning for his Congressional seat?
Does Lyin Ryan know something that the general public doesn't know, like they will lose by a landslide!!????
Obama/Biden 2012
well this bad news got the economic bad news off the front page, which got the teachers strike off the front page, which got record poverty off the front page...
Do you think you can start attending those security briefings now POTUS? Do you think you can also prioritize actually doing your job above getting reelected? If you aren't going to do anything would you please just get the he!! out of the way so someone can do something besides spend time and money on the campaign trail.
If you have a brain, could you turn it on?
Even after it became obvious that the attack had nothing to do with the movie and the attackers were hollering that "we are all Osama" the media continued to blame Romney as opposed to Obama. Let's not forget that there were NO MARINES guarding the embassy in spite of this being 9/11. Now, reports are coming out that Egyptian intelligence had warned of the possibility of the attack as early as Sept. 4.
Still, Romney gets blamed.
This so-called news organization contiues to suck up to Obama, intent on distorting the facts in the hope Obama will get re-elected.
No journalistic integrity at all.
Did you blame Bush for 911 or was that Obamas fault too?
Actuallly it was Clintons fault. He had the intel reports predicting it.
Wrongney is a bottom feeding creep who would make a political speech standing on dead bodies---which is exactly what he did. It's bad enough a US ambassdor and three foreign service personnel get murdered by a mob over a stupid film that slanders Islam, but to take this and try to demonstrate his 'leadership' is preposterous. He is a disaffected rich doofus who is full of money and bool sheet and will say and do anything for power. The notion that 'more Marines' or something like that at an embassy will help is an apparent lack of common sense and would do nothing more than create and armed camp and troop concentration to be a sitting duck for any schmuck with a mortar or molatov cocktail. The attack was a crime. My only hope is these f**kers will see the last thing bin Laden did----a barrel of a gun held by a US Navy Seal. Lastly, Nitwitt Wrongney is WRONG FOR AMERICA.
normal President Clinton's team actually shared that info with georgie's team and they ignored it. Sorry there buddy, but georgie's got egg all over his face over 9-11 and always will have.
Wrong Union Baby Clinton was handed Osama but he refused. He was to worried about getting his whistle blown.
Its funny how NBC doesn't cover the story of the audio recordings of the reporters discussing how they can ambush Romney while giving Obama a pass. The adoration and down right puppy love for Obama by Shultz, Maddow, Mika, Matthews, and the rest of the liberal media is enough to put you off your food.
Ah yes, the "secret tapes". You really sound intelligent.
I sure wish GW Bush was our POTUS today and not the coward we have watching our back.
He is watching our back wright ? NOT.
Romney-Ryan 2012
P S Kill them all let God sort them out.
Did anyone from the GOP understand that this was NOT an embassy ?
The ambassador was in the area and went to the consulate to help move personnel when the protestors first appeared. Like many situations, it appears what was a simple protest was used by Islamist extremists to attack the US.
Could the extremists have fomented the protestors ?
We know under a Romney pre4sidency he would already have attacked someone, anyone, for the attacks in libya and yemen...mittens would have manufactured an enemy like Bush did with Saddam and distract everyone from the continue rape of America by the bigots on the right
Kool Aid for breakfast?! Bad call. There are programs to help you quit that stuff.
Rick- Mittens would probably be attacking Saudi Arabia about now if Rove game him permission to that is.
Saudis give us oil. You never bite the hand that feeds you.
Oh wait that's logic, and the GOP loves to defy it. I guess it's plausible then.
Mitt Romney really does not have a chance with this media. This is not about Mitt Romney. Let's be clear - this was a terrorist attack on American soil on the anniversary of 9/11. While it might not have been as bold or as large of a spectacle, it was a terrorist attack. Four Americans were killed on American soil by a planned attack. I don't know what else you call it. The President failed to even talk about it for almost 18 hours. Of course he made it to Vegas to the ignorant crowd screaming and yelling while he tried to give 3 minutes to the attack. This President failed yesterday and Wednesday. He failed to be a leader; he failed to be the President. He was vacant from 3 p.m. Tuesday until 11 a.m. Wednesday, except of course to push on Romney. He failed our murdered Ambassador and the others who gave their lives. He failed America and he failed the test "what would you do at 3 a.m." He succeeded at campaigning in Vegas, but failed at everything that matters to us as citizens. Of course the media worries about what Mitt Romney said, but not what Obama did or didn't DO.
Whow Lydia, had no idea you were privy to the Presiden't private calendar, where were you sitting to be able to give us all this info? Do you think that maybe he was gathering information and evidence and knew he needed to really think about the right thing to do? Perhaps he had the luxury of actually sleeping 6 - 8 hours of that time? I'd much prefer a leader who thinks about the things he is doing instead of someone who shoots off at the mouth like a georgie jr wanna be.
You make an excellent point, because the president is ultimately responsible for addressing this crisis, and he will be judged upon how well or poorly he does so in the upcoming days and weeks (as well as what he has or has not done).
However, Romney has not helped his case by being so blatantly opportunistic before it's even clear what happened. If Romney had sit back and let events unfold before stepping in with an informed criticism of the president, he would not have gotten as much flack as he has with his ill-timed, ill-informed comments.
Regardless of the outcome of this crisis, there is no doubt that foreign policy will be taking center stage in the next few weeks, and will be part of the October debates. It will be very interesting to see how the candidates respond to questions about this crisis. For his part, Romney had better go to school and demonstrate to the voters that he can say more than "It's Obama's fault" or "Attack and/or invade." If not, then he will demonstrate that he has no credibility, especially with a public that is sick of sending troops to die in the middle east.
Mitt Romney claims the Obama administration issued an “apology for American values” after U.S. embassies were attacked. Not true. Romney refers to a statement issued before mobs attacked either in Egypt or Libya, and faults U.S. diplomats for failing to condemn actions that hadn’t yet happened.
Furthermore, the word “sorry” or “apologize” doesn’t appear in the statement. Under the headline, “U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement,” the embassy in Cairo said, “Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy.”
Romney has falsely accused Obama of “apologizing for America” many times before. The line has been a dependable applause-getter with conservative audiences. But we found no basis for this claim in Obama’s previous speeches and remarks. And other fact-checkers came to similar conclusions.
The Obama administration - which controls the State Department and by default the embassies - even had to walk back the statement and said they did not authorize that. Another cut and paste O-bot at work here...move along, nothing to see.
Do you think he is the only President to ever disagree with a statement coming out of one of his departments? I think not. Most low to medium level staffers (and in this case an Egyptian citizen) don't clear their discussions with anyone else, it's that freedom of speech thing, and it is my understand the person was trying to calm eveyone down so the protest would not get out of hand. President Obama did not agree with the statement nor authorize it - so how can you put a muzzle on someone half a world away? I don't think you can, and remember, this person has to go to their own home at night in Cairo. Knowing the Egyptian people so well that person probably thought they were doing the right thing - and for them and their society it was, but the president and I do not agree with them, which is much easier considering we are not there.
The situation in the mid-east has been a mess since the late 1940's, so attempts to blame the current President are stupid. You might as well blame President Truman. Also, many presidents, both Republicans and Democrats, have tried to "solve" the mid-east problem and they all have failed. Ultimately, I think, the haters are all just going to have to converge somewhere and kill each other before the rest of us have any hope of a peaceful world.
You are correct SteveR. If anyone who claims to be a Christian actually studies the Old Testament they will know this is a fight that actually started with Abraham and Sarah. If you read the whole thing God tells Haggar she will make Mohammad the father of many nations and also a great religion. Something the Jews and wingers like to leave out.
Union Baby,
Please point out where in the Old Testament it mentions the name Mohammad please? It has escaped me when you make a claim like that. I believe you may have names mixed up because I do read my bible, but your version might be different than mine.
foreign-policy?
what foreign policy, got news for you folks sending Hillary flying off on her broom with a bag full of cash is NOT a policy, its a pay off. face it Obamas has no clue hence his so called "foreign policy" or lack of one which is a better destination, is as shining of an example as his domestic one. or lack there of.
Kind of like that pipe line that got pulled by the bush/cheney administration which eventually led to the actual attacks on 9-11? Honey, we lived 8 years with no foreign policy what so ever except for the oil policy, I think I'll take this one over that one which is identical to the one proposed by mitt on steroids any day of the week.
Amen, Union Baby!
I'm sorry, as the POTUS said yesterday...you need to review the whole situation & not fly off the handle. Mr. Rommney, while running for President, isn't President. He tries to look like one so much but bottom line he ISN'T. This is showing such a lack of respect for the office and what a coincidence, has been this way for 4 years. Even when GW was in office, I respected the position/office, even if I didn't agree with him personally. The President has advisors, just like GW did, they have to find the balancing act to make sure that the Embassy staffs are safe/are extracted and access the situation. All of us, including Mr. Rommney, have to let the people in charge take care of the situation. Sure he can talk about it, but not while looking Presidential, because he isn't.
When are you people going to stop the blaming game and take responsibility for your actions? Given the situation in the world, ALL OUR EMBASSIES AND INSTALLATIONS, outside of the US should have been on a high alert on 9/11/11!!!
If anything I learned while living in the former Soviet Bloc, was that on dates of significance the army, navy, air force and police were ALWAYS ON HIGH ALERT! I'd done double duty on many holidays and anniversary dates guarding the homeland from a possible capitalist aggression...
So I wonder what happened in the Cairo and Benghazi?
Not to worry, Folks! Obama is going to invite all of the Muslim Brotherhood leaders to a Beer Summit!