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FAIRBORN, OH -- The morning after a mob in Libya killed four Americans at the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazzi, a subdued Joe Biden paid tribute to the dead and promised justice for their killers.
"These men are as brave and as courageous as any of our warriors that we’ve sent," Biden said of the four Americans killed, first noting that the late Ambassador Chris Stevens fought for the liberation of the Libyan people.
"The cause to which they dedicated their lives and gave their lives, democracy, partnership, tolerance, stands in sharp contrast to the values of those who callously took their lives," he said. "And let me be clear, we are resolved to bring to justice their killers."
The vice president also called for recognition of all foreign service officers, whose jobs often put them in danger and whose careers aren't "all about going to coffees and teas."
"As we always have, Americans must be steadfast, resolved and committed in the face of such horrific events," he added. "We never have been and we will not be run off, period."
Biden, who appeared at a campaign rally at Wright State University in Fairborn, Ohio (which he at one point mistook for Michigan's Wayne State), offered fewer of his red meat lines than usual, barely mentioning opponents Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan by name.
But he did pivot from his recognition of the Middle East conflict to his stump speech by drawing an implicit contrast with Romney over the GOP's ticket's view of foreign policy as a "sidelight."
"Foreign policy is not some sidelight to all of this," he said. "And you deserve all of America deserve leaders who will tell you what they intend to do in both spheres."
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Obama's much ballyhooed 2009 speech in Cairo, part of his Apology Tour will go down in history with the Neville Chamberlin speech..
Appeasement doesnt work.
First Read and NBC is spinning furiously on Obama's behalf. The voters will weight this issue, and likely this will be hurt Obama , seen as weak regarding Muslim fanaticism.
Bob in Virginia-5210392
Your task this evening is to write an essay on how those speeches are similar. I will grade you in the morning.
BTW, appeasement works when you need time to build your forces.
As to being seen as weak, maybe you should discuss that with Islamic militants.
Well, at least you seem smarter that Ryan.
This President has never apologized. Never apologized and never needed to.
After the history books print all the Faux lies for posterity:
The good people of America may or may not accept an apology from the Limbaughs, the Becks et al. for standing in the way of American progress. For lying through their teeth, and convincing folks like you of utter balderdash.
Bob,
First Read and NBC is spinning furiously on Obama's behalf. The voters will weight this issue, and likely this will be hurt Obama , seen as weak regarding Muslim fanaticism.
Below is the scores for today as reported by gallup. Those voters get it. Americans don't judge anyone by who they worship.
Sep 9-11, 2012 – Updates daily at 1 p.m. ET; reflects one-day change
Obama Approval
51%
+1
Obama Disapproval
42%
-1
Presidential Election
Obama
50%
-
Romney
43%
-1
7-day rolling average
Romney lost this election entirely yesterday at 10.00pm
You do realize the DOJ is suing Gallup right?
Willard Romney will never be President of the United States. Loser , Done and Finished.
In the movie, THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT, Michael Douglas is called upon to order a "proportionate response" in the form of an attack on a Libyan government building in retaliation for the Libyans bombing a US military installation in Israel.
Douglas hesitates. When his advisors tell him that ordering the attack will make him appear more "presidential," he wisely replies that ordering the deaths of other is --
If you remember Iraq, be VERY careful what you wish for.
The moment you re-registered.
That doesn't say much.
Once again the great divider and his side kick haven't a clue about what to do in difficult situations. I pray God will be with the families of those who lost their lives.
Yes, on intel that was totally not doctored up.
Movies are not reality. You may think so, but they are not.
Through Obama's noted weaknesses, he has brought us to the brink of another war. How do you Liberals feel about that fact?
Still waiting on Congressional approval for that Libya "conflict" Probably won't get any this time around either. Obama is loose cannon, a President with a cowboy "mentality" and go it alone policy.
Obama 2012 - "War through weakness"
It's what happens when you re-reg!
You still didn't answer the question yesterday... WHY?
Newsvine finally catch up to your sorry ass?
JERSY GIRL 1
The Obama administration doesn't know what to do in difficult situations? Romney couldn't avoid insulting the Brits at their Olympics. The assasination of an American ambassador in Libya is a far more serious situation and Romney stands with Pastor Jones and the other anti-Islamist loudmouths.
Does this mean attacking Romney for his Mormonism is off the table?
Joanna Smith: so now you are advocating the US go to war against Libya ?
Are you F'ing NUTS ? What drugs are you taking ?
This was NOT a situation where the local government (such as it is) was involved in the attack.
Get a brain.
The way I understand the statement - which was issued before any embassy attacks - was that the United States believes in religious tolerance.
Of course, we all have to put up with bigoted racist tripe from idiots because their First Amendment rights prohibit the government from shutting down the stupid and ill-informed. RWNJs on this board prove that point. The embarassment for all those who actually live the principles of the Constitution is that anyone in this country is backward enough to believe that Islam in and of itself is evil.
hey Xabie and Mario Batali you guys are going to speak out against Insane tea party/ cracker tea party person? How many accounts does the nimrod need? I didnt think so libbies now slink back into that peat bog you came from.
Hey Xabre, did you find some proof on that 600b yet? No, yeah i thought so too.
Libbies love their dystopia fvcked circular logic.
Great, Boudicca is now a critic. Hows Prince Harry doing
Amy your bigotted side never relented on his religion. Whats Obama's religion again? Did he embrace the salvation of atheism? "God Damn America"
Actually Joanne Obama's diplomacy has kept us from another war. Ol' bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran, Mc Cain would have had us in another world war with several enemies at once. Strength comes from using diplomacy to defuse situations. Leaders do it all the time. As a manager of people I had to defuse arguments from time to time. I didn't need to use force but diplomacy. The same occurs, on a greater scale, between nations. People say and do stupid things. When someone does do we resort to cowboy diplomacy and simply blow their head off or do we diplomatically defuse the situation. Egypt has been one of the few Arab allies we've had and we don't need to screw things up now by going to war with them. Libya not so friendly but still, there is a chance for us to have another ally in North Africa by taking the opportunity to make friends with them using respect and diplomacy especially now that their dictatorial leader is kaput.
Of course not. Just some crazy teens out for some cheap thrills.
What do you suggest? Another apology from our CoC? Doesn't he look weak enough?
See this is the problem dirp, now that Obama has been proven to be weak, he may make the jump to trying to appear strong. Too bad it will take boots on the ground and more casualties trying to fight these gangs, you know, just like Obama is trying to do in Afghanistan.
This is what a show of weakness and "leading from behind" gets you.
And what diplomacy defused this situation, or the one in Egypt, or the one going in Iran? Looking forward to your explanation.
Romney is an embarrassment, He criticized the statement made by the Egypt embassy 6 hours before the attack!!!!! Blaming Obama... is insane. Even Republicans in the house are stunned by Romney and Ryan comments..
video.msnbc.msn.com/mitchell-reports/49006178#49005343
video.msnbc.msn.com/mitchell-reports/49006178#49005343
Says another re-reg who keeps coming back for more! lol
Tickity Tock... little buddy! ;o)
So every time one country's citizen is murdered in another country, that country can declare war? What the hell are you thinking?
This comment should be sent to every diplomat, every ambassador, every embassy, every consulate, every person in harms way. They'll be happy to know that Obama is behind them, waaaaay behind them.
Obama 2012 - "We protect our own, unless I feel different"
Think Obama will get his butt over to Dover when these brave souls return to American soil? Probably, unless there is a fund raiser, like in Vegas.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Safecracker the bane of Feisty, that and intelligence.
So Feisty, you gonna tick tock Tea party craker and Insane Tea Party guy? I didnt think so either hypocrite.
Nah, we'll invite them over to the All inclusive luxury Club Whitehouse and have a beer.
I dont advocate boots on the ground but perhaps the Good ol' US would have been wiser to stay out of Libya and Egypt (where the f*ck is the UN anyways? how much money do piss over to them?)
Come on... when has this dingbat ever had an independent thought about anything!
Snuffy is nothing more than a parrot who has to wait for the RNC talking point e-mail every morning before she can make a comment!
There's my little bigot!
How about tossing us one of your homophobic rants, those are my favorites! ;o)
Romney is an embarrassment, He criticized the statement made by the Egypt embassy 6 hours before the attack!!!!! Blaming Obama... is insane. Even Republicans in the house are stunned by Romney and Ryan comments..
video.msnbc.msn.com/mitchell-reports/49006178#49005343
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And then Romney doubles down on "stupid" !!!
video.msnbc.msn.com/mitchell-reports/49006178#49007501
Brian it's Renege not reNig, now youre gonna get the hypocrites all up in arms.
Nevermind Mario Batali (fat sweaty redhead) sniffed it out
One thing for sure, it is obvious some conservative posters prefer being uninformed, prefer spinning lies to searching for truth because Mitt Romney's presidential campaign depends on lies, depends on those who believe their lies; therefore, they must repeat the lies in order to justify their support for him.
Sorry, CA and brianb, but we liberals recognize a "gaffe" when we see one; we also recognize nonsense--sometimes both in the same sentence.
I say Joe Biden has taught you well. I believe what you meant to say was a freudian slip. A gaffe is a misspeak eh? But you guys use circular logic too, 'i know because i know' LOL
That's the biggest bunch of bull@!$%# I ever read. Mostly because, once you're registered your e-mail isn't validated again. You got banned and now you admitted to re-registering.
Take your meds. Your kids are going to be even more messed up than you are.
Obama's diplomacy... lets see, wasn't that doctor that helped us locate Bin Laden tortured and imprisoned? Oh, that ought to help the US out, showing the balls to help those who help us! give me a f'n break
I like it that the ignore function has come back. I've used it lots of times. The only thing that I don't like is that when someone that I've put on ignore starts a comment section, I have no way of seeing what other posters might have said in reply.
BrianB -- Why would anyone put Xabre on ignore? Those are some of the best comments. And that picture is priceless; it's almost like Xabre is thinking: "Oh my God, I can't believe I have to explain this all over again".
Sirie, on the other hand, that picture just doesn't make any sense. How can something so cute be used to represent thoughts that are so ugly?
This proves that Willard does not have what it takes to be President. The last thing we need is a bungling fool who shoots from the hip without getting any facts. He can't even go to London without offending the Brits and doubled down on his stupidity in response to this attack on our consulate in Libya. How can we trust someone who thinks our troops in Afghanistan are nothing more than a number on a spreadsheet?
Or when asked why he didn't mention the troops in his speech, Romney replied something like he 'only talked about things that were important'.
The guy is a hollow chair.
He has so many holes in his feet where he's shot before he thought,...I'm amazed he walks upright.
He could NOT seem more unpresidential.
Your so full of MSNBC Backhouse...he said no such thing.
A really scary thought: Biden is just one breath away from the Oval Office. Biden is totally clueless.
Romney to Baier of Fox News on September 7th:
On Omitting Troops from His Convention Speech:
"I only regret you’re repeating it day in and day out. When you give a speech you don’t go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important."
(I get how the truth is disappointing for you - sincerely.)
Been that way for 4 years, head for the basement for another 4. We'll let you know when Hillary is president in 2016 and supply you with some more water.
Scrapin' the bowl, is it?
And I think quite a few of us have already written about the VoucherVulture/Akin War on Women.
A sociopath would consider troops as numbers on a spread sheet. Sociopaths have no feelings for others whatsoever. They think only of their own desires and not those of anyone else. Look at how Willard reacts and has reacted (Bain) it is easy to see he's a sociopath. Sure he is no Jeffery Dahmer but he is a sociopath nevertheless.
As opposed to Romney whose proposals will add $2.4 trillion more than Obama. By the way, keep deflecting little re-reg.
Speaking of *crickets*... what's up with you re-regging?
The best part is how he pretends it wasn't him until multiple people call him out. Now the cat is out of the bag.
Ahhhh Feisty the Red Communist. Still threatening. Hates Freedom of Speech. BTW, saw your little comments yesterday about your daughter being a teacher, working 365 days a year. Wonder if she realizes her momma stays on the computer 24/7 spewing hateful vomit. And of course, cannot get a job. You ignorant slunt! Find a job!
As the situation in Egypt starts to deteriorate perhaps it is time for us to reconsider our status with them, cutting our aid to Egypt and to not forgive their billions of debt.
We need to stand together on this, and not be at odds especially in public.
We need to remember that what is unfolding today has its roots in first British and French tampering beginning in the late 1800's followed by American tampering beginning in Iran in the 1950's. We in the west are reaping what we have sown.
We are reaping what our governments have sown. The american people and west in general don't support some of the covert actions taken by our governments that have toppled democratic institutions to put in place dictators who were brutal to their citizens but friendly to our interests. iran, central america, and other actions in the middle east are done covertly in order for the public not to know because we wouldn't support those actions.
aside from that, i agree with you.
As the Prime Minister of Israel grandstands in an attempt to influence our election and stampede us into another costly war, perhaps it is time to reconsider our status with them, cutting our aid to Israel and not forgiving billions of their debt.
Israel is and has always been our ally. You go ahead and make your recommendation to Obama.
Translation: We are and always have been Israel's big brother standing in back to protect them.
Gingerbread Mamma, Yes, Blatina as I'm called agrees with you on this one.
I would take it a little bit more and cut all aids of those that keep killing our citizens or their own.
Al in Visalia - Our President will not cut his own nose and risk loosing more votes. There is a surprise coming next week.
I have a question for you all. If President Obama responds militarily, will you still support him?
No. You don't declare war because a foreign civilian murdered your citizen. Worst case, you order all citizens to leave the country.
we don't need boots on the ground in another thirdworld sh*thole. let these rabid dogs eat eachother. if you want to go there join the peace corps. until the rest of the world (UN you slack fux) start bearing some of the weight, I say we leave them to their own device.
Xabre
Xabre - I agree with you, just remember that you are on record. I do not support him period.
The producer of the film and any one who promotes it should be brought up on charges of inciting murder and more. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
freedom of speech says hi.
What the filmmaker did was irresponsible and reprehensible, but the filmmaker didn't kill the ambassador. islamic militants using a civilian riot as cover did. My only hope is that Libya works with the U.S. to bring these murderers to justice.
Last I knew we had freedom of speech. Is that now subject to world scrutiny making sure we don't offend anyone?
I am not making light of or condoning the unwarranted deaths but, your statement is ridiculous. Unfortunately the PC touchy feeling crowd quakes in their shoes when some whack jobs threaten and carry out stupid acts of violence. You ought to be calling for and demanding their respective governments find the perpetrators and bring them to justice and not be so thin skinned. No. You have to jump on the "I'm scared. Don't hurt their feelings".
Agreed Tzalaran. At least this time we are on the same page.
Tzalaran
That is a highly arguable point. The director surely knew what the response would be. His only defense would be that he lived in a vacuum. He certainly had no consideration for those who came into the line of fire, instead he is holed up.
The pastor and the producer made this film due to their religious convictions. To prove how steadfast they are in their convictions, perhaps they should hand deliver the film in the Middle East. Then they could be martyr's.
Why is it that Liberals only want to protect freedom of speech when it comes to them? The first amendment is for every American regardless whether we agree or not with what they say.
As much as i disagree with the filmmaker's views, and find them despicable, this country gives him the right to say them. i highly doubt that the filmmaker is intelligent enough to see the effects of his film that was made back in July would be on this day, and i don't think the 'screaming fire in a crowded theatre' argument against the freedom of speech would apply in this case (i'm no lawyer, but that is my gut feeling).
Is teh filmmaker a craven? yes. Should he have limited the video to only allow access to the intended audience? yes. Did he put our country at risk of retaliation knowing about the response to the Dutch cartoonist not long ago? yes. Is he guilty of murder of an ambassador and 3 other americans? no. The ones that are responsible are the militants in Libya who killed americans, but there is a lesson to be learned in this: Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean you should say it (or post the video to the web in this instance) (been trying to teach my sons this lesson with mixed results...)
WOW, Ceele, so you support the actual Libyan murderers WOW
Theatre...fire Even the Supreme Court has placed limits on the First Amendment. You can not yell Fire in a crowded theatre. And you can not go out of your way by translating the film into the language of a targeted audience to incite violence and murder.
false equivalency. i addressed the fire in theatre in my last point, and making a video and posting it online is much different. it is conjecture that the filmmaker translated the film into arabic (unless you can provide a source that this was done?), i highly doubt that the filmmaker speaks arabic, and it is easy enough for a militant to get a pirated copy of the video and translate/audio dub over it to use as a propaganda tool for their purposes.
We cannot pick and choose who gets the protections of the First Amendment because we disagree with their viewpoints, as that weakens the bill of rights for all of us.
Joe Thomas-6624551
Ceele said nothing of the kind.
i try to be fair in my reasoning and consistent in my application. :) (didn't notice this line earlier, or i'd have commented on it sooner).
Article in the NYT is sayign that the Libya attack may not have anything to do with the movie, but might have more to do with the AQ leader in Libya being killed by a drone bomb.
This is why it is best not to jump to conclusions and take things in a steady, thoughtful manner...
So Willard expected the Cairo diplomats to retract their statements defending religious tolerance or the President to condemn the diplomats trying to defuse a tense situation. He is not ready for prime time. I am so looking forward to Willard's descent into the ash heap of history!
Here's to a quick sharp descent. "Hey Mitt please take the Tea Party with you on your way down."
I recall when Carter tried to rescue the hostages in Iran. Bush Sr. said it simply. In situations like this you SUPPORT the President.
It's clear that Mitt and his Mutt have no sense of decency to even attempt to turn this into a political issue. He was already in trouble, but he forgot the golden rule. When American's are faced with tragedy we don't run away from each other, we pull together so we can pull through together.
So perhaps some of these so called American's should consider our history before trying to win an election by lies and deceit.
It is a political issue...our President is weak, apologetic, and leads from behind. Maybe Obama can have one of those Beer Summits with those crazy Muslims.
And the Great Divider never lies or uses deceit? Yeah right.
So in his haste to be the first to comment, Romney put his foot in his mouth. This time though it may be more serious; between, this and his comments about Israel, Syria and Iran, Romney is destabilizing the entire middle east. This man is not presidential material....he's just not smart enough about anything but hiding his earnings and his tax returns.
Joe Biden knows more about diplomacy and foreign policy than any of the other 3 candidates combined. The second is Obama followed in a distant third are Lyin' Ryan and Willard (it's my turn) Romney.
Bullying other soverign nations isn't going to get us anywhere. Didn't we learn anything from Dubya's stupidity in foreign affairs? Joe is right and the course of this Administration has been pretty good so far. Secretary Clinton has her hands full trying to clean up the mess left by Dubya and restore the respect and admiration for America previous Administrations worked so hard to foster.
Diplomats who serve in places with such unrest take their jobs seriously or they wouldn't be there. They want to be in those places. This one died doing what he loved to do. We can't rule the world. There are always those risks. Just like here in America there are neighborhoods one stays out of but the unexpected happens when the nice man down the street is murdered in cold blood by some thug. Whose fault is that? The thug, of course.
As for the movie, yes they can excercise their First Amendment right to free speech but to criticize another's religion is not how we roll here in America. Our nation exists because of a quest for religious freedom. While most people, including Muslims, will dismiss the film in question as the rantings of a fool there are the zealots of the other side who will take those rantings seriouisly and attempt to do something. Unfortunately those being attacked are not the idiot(s) who made the movie but innocent diplomats trying to make and keep peace among people of the world.
Adler, talk about one of the most ignorant statements of the year... "But to criticize another religion is not how we roll in America." Thats all you liberal f-tards do is make fun of people that believe in God.
No, liberals do not "make fun of people that believe in God," just you.
I cannot speak for all "liberals", but I enjoy making fun of people that place emphasis on their religion but don't even abide by its teachings.
Liberals do make fun of people who believe in God. Almost every thread has nasty remarks concerning people who believe in God.
One of the things that has been most troubling since 9/11 is our confusion of Islamic terrorists (who are to be condemned) with ordinary people who practice the Muslim faith. Many of those ordinary Muslims are our fellow citizens--they pay taxes, fight in our military and, yes, they have died for their country--the United States. Every time I hear someone "accuse" the President of being a Muslim (which of course we all know he isn't) I wonder why we can't be more tolerant of other religions or those who choose to practice no religion. Religious freedom was one of the ideals that brought the Founding Fathers here in the first place.
So while the DNC was honoring our troops at their big party, they made a big oops. Seems the pictures shown on the big screen of ships, weren't of our ships, but were actually Russian ships. Way to go Debbie and the DNC.