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MIAMI, Fla. – Former President Bill Clinton on Tuesday continued to relish his unofficial role as the chief explainer of what is at stake in the November election, this time tailoring his message to the young crowd gathered at Florida International University.
Speaking to 2,300 supporters, including many students, Clinton used the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks as a chance to talk about the importance of service -- specifically voting.
"I keep reading that young people are not quite sure if they're going to vote. I tried to argue down in Charlotte last week that that's a mistake, that we have a lot of reasons to vote and we have a good candidate to vote for," said Clinton.
Young Americans were a key group that helped propel President Obama to victory in 2008, but polling shows that enthusiasm has not matched the level of four years ago.
In Florida, Clinton also reached out to older Americans, saying Republicans have spread "misinformation" about Democrats plans for Medicare. It is the same misinformation that led the GOP to an electoral landslide in the 2010 midterms, Clinton said.
"They got away with running this old dog through the chute in 2010 and countless thousands of seniors voted because they were given misinformation against people who supported a plan to strengthen Medicare," said Clinton. "So I'm talking about it everywhere because the first time they did it, it was their fault. If we let it happen again, it is out fault."
Clinton also fought back against the claims vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan and other Republicans have made, arguing that Obama has cut $716 billion from Medicare.
"Embarrassingly for the Republicans, the nominee for vice president who's chair of the house budget committee, produced a budget that had exactly the same callings for savings that the Obama budget did, and that was true in 2010 when they were advertising against it. Now, as I said in Charlotte, you got to hand it to them; it takes real brass to attack people for doing what you did," Clinton said.
According to a Pew Research poll, Clinton's keynote address last week was for many the highlight of the Democratic convention, drawing an even more favorable rating than Obama's speech. It was a straight-forward assessment of why the president deserves re-election, and it is the same message he took down to the swing-state of Florida on Tuesday. The man who has been dubbed the "Explainer-in-chief" heads to Orlando Wednesday for another rally.
Along with Medicare and the economic recovery, Clinton also defended the president's record on solar energy and the often shied away topic of the stimulus, saying it helped prevent even high levels of unemployment. All of it, Clinton said, has laid the foundation for an economic recovery that will be at risk if Mitt Romney is elected.
"The test is not whether you think everything is hunky-dory. If that were the test, the president would vote against himself. He said that everything is not hunky-dory," he said. "The test is whether he's taken us in the right direction, and the answer is yes."
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Bill Clinton, the Chief Explainer didnt explain how voting for Democrats honors the 9/11 victims...
Explain to me : Does voting for a Republican dishonor the 9/11 victims?
The "Chief Explainer" didnt explain Monica Lewinsky very well, did he?
"Clinton also defended the president's record on solar energy and the often shied away topic of the stimulus, saying it helped prevent even high levels of unemployment. All of it, Clinton said, has laid the foundation for an economic recovery that will be at risk if Mitt Romney is elected."
The stimulus was a spectacular failure, that is why it is rarely mentioned by the Democrats. "Laying a foundation"? No, laying an egg...a massive disaster.
Nothing you can say matters, Bill. Obama's out in November.
We've seen the 'change' he was talking about and we're not interested. Unemployment over 8% for 44 consecutive months, the deficit up to 104% of GDP, the debt increased by over 50%, gas prices doubled, food stamp recipients more than doubled, etc. Is this the "change we can believe in"?
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR AN AMERICA WITH A FUTURE
Uh Bill, you do realize that campaigning for Obama virtually assures that Hillary will never be elected president, right?
If Obama wins, it may be 20 years before another democrat gets elected for that job.
Obama lies:
1. Unemployment will stay below 8%.
2. I will half the deficit.
3. I will eliminate the capital gains tax for small businesses.
4. I never considered a VAT.
5. I will slash earmarks to 1994 levels.
6. I never voted against the infanticide bill as an IL Senator.
7. I never had conversations with Bill Ayers.
8. I didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's radicalism.
9. I will limit lobbyist influence in the White House.
10. I oppose Gay Marriage.
How many do you want, folks?
Nice cut and paste, Cubbie. The mistake you and you're failed candidate are making is thinking chain emails are legitimate arguments. That is exactly why the Mitt "Etch-A-Sketch" Romney and his prevaricating sidekick, Lyin' Ryan are losing this election. Read 'em and weep.
President Obama in November! He is clearly our only rational choice!
GAG ... all of the WRNJs are crawling out tonight ... kind of like night crawlers ... you all do know you can be picked up, put on a hook, and the big fish will eat you ...
That being said, whatever you all think of Bill, your little party has TWO living Presidents who are not coming out to endorse your lying candidates. Boo hoo all you want but when the previous PRESIDENTS don't support your CANDIDATE ... (with their same policies, I might add) What's up with that???
Obama/Biden 2012 - where the PREVIOUS Democrat President endorses and supports the current one
Layton: Hell, no one of any stature in the GOP is endorsing the ticket. I mean can you blame 'em??!!?? hahahahhahaha
Leaving for the night, but I thought I'd let you know, Sailcat, that that's not a chain email. I've got over 30 Obama lies that I've researched over the last several months and I frequently post several of them. I copied and pasted nothing. What I posted was entirely off the top of my head.
You act as though it would be difficult to keep a decent amount of Obama lies in your head, but it's amazing and saddening just how easy it is. There are so many out there, after all.
Cubs fan, He never said most of those things. If you're gonna' post crap like that, it's up to you to post the source. But of course you can't, when he never said it.
As for limiting lobbying influence, it was not a campaign promise, but he has done far more than any other President.
I'm Sorry, but Obama is no Bill Clinton. When Bill's policies were not working so well, Bill changed and went a new direction. Instead of changing direction, Obama wants to double down on what he is doing.
common american
Not exactly! Look at cities like Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C., Cleveland. Instead of putting someone from another party in, they just seem to go to another democrat. They don't blame democratic policies, just republicans.
Layton, after the information that came out today about how much W knew pre-9/11, he's probably afraid to stick his head out the front door for fear of being brought up on criminal charges in the World Court! Me thinks Desmond Tutu was right W & Blair should be tried!
Cubs fan clearly wins the Pants on Fire Award for the next millenium. Ever wonder why right wingnuts never post on their favorite faux new site? It's because they can't. The right wing propaganda machine doesn't want to hear their opinion, they want to give it to them.
Go Bill!
Ah, revenge is sweet, isn't it?
The GOP just had to keep Ken Starr on until he found something - even if it had nothing to do with Whitewater.
Go get 'm, Bill!
Claudia, kind of like Cheney .. who is afraid to raise his head above water and definitely shouldn't leave the country!
Does anyone realize that the GOP has passed a bill in the House of Representatives to eliminate the caps on skilled foreign workers coming into this country?
It is now in the Senate. We need to speak up NOW and put a stop to this garbage! These are American jobs!
So much for the GOP's blathering about "illegals" taking American jobs. They just want to make them "legals" when it's cheaper for their corporate masters!
Here are a couple of items I thought my friends here on the vine might enjoy:
and this:
Disillusioned "Obama Supporter" In Romney Ad Is Actually GOP Staffer
Republicans debuted a new ad Thursday in which a frustrated former "Obama supporter" expresses her disappointment with the president. The only problem: The woman in the video is actually an RNC staffer.
The new ad features Republican National Committee Director of Hispanic Outreach Bettina Inclan, who in the ad purports to be an average woman voter who supported Obama in 2008.
When reality fails the right wing lunatic fringe, all they have to fall back upon are their insane fantasies and outright lies. It's all they will have to sustain them until President Obama is reelected in November. After that, they are on their own.
Bob in Virginia-5210392
Bill Clinton, the Chief Explainer didnt explain how voting for Democrats honors the 9/11 victims...
Explain to me : Does voting for a Republican dishonor the 9/11 victims?
Bob,
Considering all the hate that comes from Republicans about Muslims I'd say so.
For instance, the movie attacking Islam's prophet Muhammad sparked assaults on U.S. diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt on Tuesday.
The protests in both countries were sparked by outrage over a film ridiculing Muhammad produced by an American in California and being promoted by an extreme anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian campaigner in the United States.
What about the movie 2016 by Dinesh D’Souza,Tea Bagger and one of FOX NOISES's top cuck coo wet dream pundit, using smear tactics and distortion to purport our President as as a Muslim, Marxist, Socialist, anti-colonial, and anti-American?
Republicans fling a blizzard of bullsh!T towards Muslims. In fact, the do it to anyone who doesn't look like them and doesn't have gazillones of dollars to
buysteal from the middle and poor classes and smaller countries. How many western oil companies own Iraq's oil?If it weren't for their lies, republicans would have zero to say.
We already know they have ZERO to contribute!
Western oil firms remain as US exits Iraq
The end of the US military occupation does not mean Iraqis have full control of their oil.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/12/2011122813134071641.html
Yup, that was the goal of the lying, Bush Agenda which has now spewed into a Muslim bashing anthem coming the right wing haters .
The only reason Bill Clinton is supporting Obama is for the Democrats pay back so that his wife Hillary Clinton will be nominated for President in 2016.
Nice fantasy world you're living in, Donna. Is it furnished or do you sit on your hallucinations?
Pretty sad when you have to send out the biggest liar in our countries history to explain things for you.
Bill Clinton is a scum bag, womanizer, accused rapist, and most of all a liar.
You libbies have to remember that even Jimmy Carter was way ahead in the polls at this point when he was running for re-election. The shellacking will continue in November. Have you seen the ad for Obama in the split screen where he is stating the exact same things as in 2008? It is priceless.
No wonder finger vaginal probe Bob wants to go there .. Clinton is his hero. Oh my gosh, if Lewinksy was just a republican, Bob would be set for life. Sorry Bob, a price of an ice cream cone at the five and dime is passe. Life is much more interesting that you are willing to give.
rapist? lol.... will you right wing nut jobs stop at anything?
Perfect example of why Obama will win re-election... Comments like JH's make it clear that sanity is on the Democratic side...
and Todd Akins, Paul Ryan, Michelle Bauchman, etc, et al...
Ray - you left wing nut jobs can be real blind.
Look up Juanita Broaddrick. I said "accused rapist" and I don't lie like a liberal.
Bill Clinton is a scum bag and an accused rapist. Poster boy for your side?
Hey Bob in VA-
Talking and replying to yourself on the vine, huh? You must be off the schizoid meds again. May I suggest for sanity's sake that one of you pulls his head out of Rush's fat nether orifice while the other returns to trolling Fox for intelligent life forms. It'll make your multiple heads explode when I tell you this but Obama wins this election handily despite the economy. Wanna know why? THE PEOPLE IN YOUR REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE SCARY, FREAKIN' NUTS!
Given the information now out in the woodword book about how the Bush Administration received not one but many warning on a pending attack in the US prior to 9/11, and chose not to respond to that threat, maybe it would dishonor the victims. Not sure myself, but everyone can make up their own mind.
Bill Clinton is a huge asset for the Obama Administration, too bad for the GOP no previous Republican Presidents are around with enough approval and gravitas to counter balance President Clinton.
I still remember the night Bill Clinton was first elected.
One of the RNC leaders got on TV and guaranteed - guaranteed! - that this country would be in a Depression before Clinton's first term was out.
Wish I could find that GOP'er today and cash in on that.
I understand the Republican mantra is to say things so many times people believe it no matter what it is...
blah blah blah, the sky is orange...
but no matter how many times you spout this old chestnut it is just is not true. Not only has it been proven wrong over and over, but I like stepping out the door and seeing new roads that don't take the wheels off my car and bridges that don't fall on my head.
Thank you for playing, now go back to your business where you don't reinvest anything and let me know how that works out for ya.
Listen you offensive little sh!thead, you are speaking of a former president of the United States here. How DARE you accuse him of being an accused rapist. Whomever in your reprobate, loser, drug-addled party has said this deserves to be tried for treason then shot.
And you sir, should be ashamed of yourself. You need to crawl back into that slimely little hole you crawled out of and sit there until what's left of that miserable little head of yours finally rots off.
What a disgusting human being you are.
"The only reason Bill Clinton is supporting Obama is for the Democrats pay back so that his wife Hillary Clinton will be nominated for President in 2016."
Let's hear Bill Clinton explain Barack Obama's birth place. It was, after all, Bill Clinton that pointed to Obama not being a natural born citizen in the first place, during Hillary's 2008 Democratic primary run for the Presidency.
He won't go there, of course. These guys just shine us and shine us and shine us.
Real American First
All that means is, they are not capping the amount of qualified people coming from a certain country. Meaning, if only 200 were established as the number TOTAL, they could perhaps all come from one country instead of spreading the love to several and breaking it down to only tne from twenty different countries.
Aren't big on comprehension are you?
Sailcat, you accuse Cubbie of cutting and pasting, but you beg the question, you assume that Cubbie has cut and pasted and that his remarks are part of a chain mail exercise. Now unless you have proof of that, then you’re nothing but a liar.
Next, even if Cubbie is cut and pasting, you still haven’t argued against one of the items on his list, therefore, until you do, everyone who reads them can rest assured that they are accurate and correct.
Scaredy-cat you’re constructing straw man arguments, and trying to convince the readers that they’re true. Romney/Ryan are very close in all polls a cross the nation, and in fact, they even lead in a few. So your lie that they are losing the Presidential race is just wishful thinking.
We do not need to give that loser four more years to complete the job of destroying our country. IT’S ABOUT THE ECONOMY, STUPID.
You folks on the right are real worried, because you know Willard will never be elected President. So stop this fake outrage against President Obama, and get on board.
FORWARD 2012
Yes, because accused = guilty in your book apparently. When was his indictment again?
That's difficult to determine ~ but it is becoming more of a know fact every day that voting for a Republican in 2000 contributed to there even being a 9/11 tragedy. We can't reverse history ~ but we can prevent repeating it. Which is better ~ preventing such an action through vigilance and attention or wondering if voting for someone twelve years later will "dishonor" a victim of negligence? I leave you to answer this querry and your own question.
For Scott and his socialist friend Sailcat: Read ‘em and weep, or make up the best excuses you can so we can have a good laugh at your expense.
1) A report prepared by the incoming Obama administration did project that the unemployment rate would peak at just under 8 percent in 2009. It has been above 8 percent since early in 2009. Rep. Barney Frank -- a Democrat and chairman of the House Financial Services Committee -- saying that Obama and Democrats were saddled with a "false prediction" and that making the prediction "was a dumb thing to do."
During a White house Press briefing on June 8, 2009 A reporter know only as Jake asked Jared Bernstein the “Vice Presidents Chief Economist that was clarified by WhiteHouse presses Secretary, Robert Gibbs;
Gibbs, asking Bernstein: Getting back to Jake's question. When you put together the report in January you projected with the stimulus an unemployment rate of about 8 percent right now. It's a percentage and a half point higher than that. Why did that happen, and what should the country conclude from the inability to be able to properly calculate in January, whatever it is that happened in the economy that made you miss the mark by 1.5 percentage points?
MR. BERNESTEIN: Well, first of all, let's be very clear about this point. Our forecast at that time was right in the middle of every other forecast, and in fact, if we had had a forecast that was much worse than that, we would have been an outlier. We also would have been correct, it turned out. But the point is that the contraction of the economy in the fourth quarter -- you should recall back then that was -- the magnitude of that contraction was far larger than was expected. And so at the time our forecast seemed reasonable. Now, looking back, it was clearly too optimistic.
2) Our research revealed that Obama did in fact promise to cut the deficit in half. On Feb. 23, 2009: Today I'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office," Obama said (Politifact.com).
3) As before, only businesses registered as C-corporations under the federal tax code with no more than $50 million in gross assets qualify for the full exclusion. In addition, investments must be held for five years.
So because the tax cut compromise again extends the rates only temporarily, and with the same limitations as before, this promise remains rated as a Compromise. (Patrick Kennedy:Politifact.com, Wednesday, January 12th, 2011).
4) President Obama has consistently ducked the question on whether he is considering a massive tax hike in the form of a value added tax (VAT) – until now. Yesterday in an interview with CNBC, the president made clear that he is open to a VAT.A VAT would be a massive tax hike that would transfer trillions of dollars each year from the wallets of every American to Washington. It would permanently slow economic growth and lower the standard of living for generations of Americans to come. It would also be a bottomless well for Congress to go back to each time it wants more of our money to pay for new spending programs. (The Foundry: Curtis Dubay, April 22, 2010).
5) I will slash ear marks to 1994 levels: "It will be a little embarrassing for the president if he signs a bill with massive amounts of earmarks on it," said Stan Collender , a veteran Washington budget analyst. "He'll claim that they're left over from the Bush years, and he has to say that next year the bill will be clean" (The Conservative Express: Monday, February 23, 2009).
6) I never voted against the infanticide bill as an IL Senator. Worse still, as a state senator in Illinois, Obama opposed the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act and in his defense said something that should put a chill up every mother's spine: There wasn't any question about what was happening. The abortions were going wrong. The babies weren't cooperating. They wouldn't die as planned. Or, as Illinois state senator Barack Obama so touchingly put it, there was "movement or some indication that, in fact, they're not just coming out limp and dead."
7) Obama claims he never had conversations with Bill Ayers: Bill Ayers served on two nonprofit boards with Obama. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Daohrn, hosted a gathering at their home in 1995, where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate (CNN: October 5, 2008, Peter Slevin:March 18, 2008, Ben Smith: February 22, 2008).
8) I didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's radicalism. “I’ve been preaching the same way since I was licensed to preach in 1959, ordained in 1967. Barack was in elementary school when I was ordained. CBS, ABC, MSNBC and Fox News spent $4,000 each buying 20 years of my sermons so they could hear what Barack Obama heard for 20 years.” (Jeremiah Wright: April 9, 2012). “And one of the first things Barack said was, ‘I really wish you wouldn’t do any more public speaking until after the November election.’ He knew I had some speaking engagements lined up, and he said, ‘I wish you wouldn’t speak. It’s gonna hurt the campaign if you do that.’ “And what did you say?” I asked. “I said, ‘I don’t see it that way. And anyway, how am I supposed to support my family?’ And he said, ‘Well, I wish you wouldn’t speak in public. The press is gonna eat you alive.’ “Barack said, ‘I’m sorry you don’t see it the way I do. Do you know what your problem is?’ And I said, ‘No, what’s my problem?’ And he said, ‘You have to tell the truth.’ I said, ‘That’s a good problem to have. That’s a good problem for all preachers to have. That’s why I could never be a politician’ (Hot Air, Ed Morrissey: May 13, 2012).
9) I will limit lobbyist influence in the White House. “Many of the president’s biggest donors, while not lobbyists, took lobbyists with them to the White House, while others performed essentially the same function on their visits” (The New York Times: Mike McIntire and Michael Luo, Published: April 14, 2012 ). Administration officials insisted that donations do not factor into White House visits, and they cited steps taken to curb the influence of money in politics, including a ban on executive branch employees’ accepting gifts from lobbyists and on appointees’ lobbying the White House after they leave. Eric Schultz, a White House spokesman, pointed out that Mr. Obama was the first president to release the visitor logs regularly, and added that “being a supporter of the president does not secure you a visit to the White House, nor does it preclude you from one.” first president to release the visitor logs regularly, and added that “being a supporter of the president does not secure you a visit to the White House, nor does it preclude you from one (ibid).”
10) I oppose Gay Marriage. President Obama has abandoned his longstanding opposition to same-sex marriage but says the decision on whether or not to legalize the unions should be left up to individual states, which are "arriving at different conclusions at different times."
Scott, you live in a fantasy world of liberal make-believe, where even weirdo socialists like Sailcat don't know how to make a decent argument.
Get over yourself Scott, here is the evidence you were to lazy to look up yourself. Keep telling yourself those lies about the loser you support.
He’s going down in November, and the country will recover, in spite of socialists like you and Sailcat.
Sailcat,
You wrote two completely moronic comments. You wrote: “When reality fails the right wing lunatic fringe, all they have to fall back upon are their insane fantasies and outright lies.” When socialists are unable to quote their opponents they spew the garbage and filth of unbalanced minds. Go ask your apparatchik what you should say next comrade?
This lying pig will never be re-elected. There are only a few ignoramuses’ in this country left who can be fooled all of the time.
Moreover, is that how you reply to Donna? Like you are a fool, with no respect for another person.
It looks like I will have to teach you all over again how to argue like an adult, instead of an ill-mannered sixth grader.
Isn't it cute when sub-adolescent right wing neo-fascists stamp their little feet and proclaim their insane fantasies as though they actually mean something? With Romney fading in the polls and the debates looming (and we all saw how Mitt choked in the GOP debates against a crowd of mentally challenged window lickers, didn't we?), Romney's chances of winning in November are about the same as you getting a date with a real live girl on Saturday night.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/electoral-map
Job1,
You are asked to argue your position; to tell the readers what you believe in, and you respond with some idiotic campaign claptrap about folks on the right being worried and getting on board. It's as if you have no idea what's going on around you. You babble some lame, non-sensical garbage about the right, but what about other Republicans.
What about about Centrist Republicans, the middle of the road people who see Barrack Obama for who he really is.
He is not the man you're selling; he is the man who failed to keep his promises. He is the man who is ruining the American economy because he just doesn't know how it works.
He is the man who had no back-ground in economics, so he surrounded himself with an economic staff of socialist ideologues who gave him bad advice, and the economy got worse, and he kept taking their bad advice and the economy didn't improve and now he wants another four years to fix what he shouldn't have broken in the first place.
And you have the nerve to say that: "the right are real worried, because you know Willard will never be elected President. So stop this fake outrage against President Obama, and get on board." Barrack Husein Obama has never held a public sector job in his adult life, do we really need to give him another four years to figure out how one works?
Mitt Romney has made small companies and large corporations flourish, do you think he knows how to get America back on it's feet again. Our outrage isn't fake, and if Democrats had any feelings for the American people you'd know that. It's not about abortion, or womens rights: IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID.
Barrack Hussein Obama broke it in less than 3 years; he does not need another four years to figure out what he did wrong the first time.
Throw the lying bum out.
Snailcat
Isn’t it cute when a former communist party chief living in America can’t understand English well enough to determine when he is begging the question. You are assuming Romney is fading in the polls when in fact it is way too early in the campaign to tell one way or the other if he’s fading or gaining. If you think you know better, then guess again comrade, every news man in America has all ready agreed with me. Moreover, your statement itself agrees with me. You really are a second rate thinker.
First you claim that Romney id fading in the polls, which we both know you are lying, through your teeth, and then you claim that the debate are looming, which indicate that you lend them a great deal of credence. Therefore, you can’t have it both ways comrade, pick one lie and stick with it. BTW, drop the Ad Hominem attacks they make you look cheaper and more ridiculous than you really are.
Oh, say hi to your wife for me.
Snailcat
You have a very weak mind. Out of ten argument to chose from you pick some useless campaign clutter to discuss. Try one of the other issues. So I can embarrass your second rate intellect in front of the readers.
Sailcat's argument scenario:
Not only Sailcat, but all PROGRESSIVES.
Sailcat, picks puff pieces to argue. He relies on Ad Hominem attack, because he hasn't got the intellectual capability to argue a real point. Every time he's tried in the past, Ive handed his ass to him.
He has this concept of self importance, but he's nothing to me; nothing but a sixth grade mind.
Former president Bill Clinton has a way with words and can explain in the most clearest tones just how the cows ate the cabbage. In this case how so much misinformation has been spread about by the TEA party. The other sects( Libertarian-GOP-Republican-Evangelicals)
decided to insert their version of vision. Clinton was right, the youth vote must come back as they are the stewards of America's future and if they don't watch it, it will be stolen. Bill touching on Medicare in Florida is to show the most vulnerable the real impact of messing with Medicare. The
TEA-Libertarian-GOP-Republican-Evangelical party have been wanting to privatize Medicare and voucher it in such a way as it could be outsourced to companies for and at a profit. Face it, the rich are always looking for ways to increase their bottom lines while passing the tax burden onto the middle class. Many of the current Social programs currently in place have helped numerous get back into society and productive no matter how many lies you have been told. Everyone should know the TEA-Libertarian-GOP-Republican-Evangelical party does not have sole control of honor, pride and respect for the flag, national anthem or God. They hide behind the flag as if they are the only ones who can do it right. The TEA-Libertarian-GOP-Republican-Evangelical party try to spread pixie dust over every pronouncement and speech they make to take votes away from the president. There are just as many veterans and church goers in the Democratic party as there are in their parties.
Arkius, what is your point here? That Obama made a prediction that didn't come true? Is he the only Politician that made a prediction that didn't come true? If we elected Romney, would Romney put an end to Political Predictive Forecasting? You do know what a prediction is, don't you? It's just wishful thinking. Kind of like Romney's belief that he's going to win the election this year.
Oh my God... Another thing no other Politician ever does... Make promises. Unfortunately, we'll never know if Obama actually could have done what he promised since back in 2010 we have Congressional/Senate Republicans stating that they would block everything that Obama submitted to ensure he was a "One-Term President". It's hard to follow through on promises (factual or wishful) if your opponents are more focused on tearing you down then on actually working with you. (Is this the best you have? Weak.)
I have no idea what your #3 point is...
I'll assume it has something to do with that evil word Compromise which is at the heart of any political system.
You seem awfully proud of your intellectual prowess...
...but so far, everything you're stating is pretty weak. I'll give you're number 4 item a try...
A person saying that they're open to an option is the same as a person who says I'm considering my choices. But let's talk about what a VAT is. A Value Added Tax (VAT) is similar to a sales tax. We add additional taxes on products manufacture, sold, or services rendered in America. The intention of this would be to pay down our massive deficit.
Though most Republican administrations tend to be more fast and easy with spending our American dollars, President Obama understands that we can not operate efficiently as a nation with this huge amount of debt hanging over our heads. He can increase income taxes for everyone (that's an option), he could close tax loopholes (another option), he could decrease spending (an option he's currently following through on - check the levels of Federal Spending during Obama's administration), or he could create other taxes like the VAT. All of these are options.
So what was your point here? That Obama is still keeping the VAT option open? Good. To close this deficit he should have all options on the table. What is Romney/Ryan promising? More Tax Cuts?Keeping the existing tax cuts? Maintaining the current Defense budget? Everything they indicate they will do DOES NOTHING to shrink the deficit.
You really are backing the wrong guys if your a person who'd like to see America restored. They won't do that. Oh, they'll make sure their tax breaks, their tax loopholes, and their private, enclosed neighborhoods are taken care of - don't worry about that. Everything else? Eh... That's just how it goes in a Romney America.
I would respond to your other points, but after your four pointless points, you've just really bored the hell out of me.
Anjinsan:
The sign of a simple mind is that it is easily bored. The indication that a mind is wasted is when it is incapable of seeing the big picture. Your answers are intellectually inept because you have taken my comments out of context.
Scroll up to the list of cubsfan2012 and the response to him by your alter-ego, Sailcat, and you will see my comments as what they are meant to be, i.e., an explanation. As an explanation they function as intended, and your comments become worthless.
I recommend that you should try reading in depth before you open your mouth. This is the second time that you have embarrassed yourself trying to show me up.
I think that by now, it has become clear to the readers that you are not my intellectual equal, and any further effort on your part will only conclude with the same result, i.e., your embarrassment.
As the readers can plainly see, my arguments are properly cited, and yours aren't, which means that you have provided no corroborating evidence to counter my arguments. Once again you are willing to play the fool for my benefit. Thank you, but I already have a dog, and I don't need another, especially since she appears to have more common sense then you do.
Perhaps you should try challenging Sailcat. He seems to be more your speed.
Okay Arkius,
Let's break down your intellectually superior response to my response:
Gosh Arkius! With such prose and succinctness, how could I even imagine standing forth and battling with such keen intellectual powers you wield like some superhuman conservative GOD?!?!?!
<Sarcasm fully intended>
Nice Job, if you keep up the good work, maybe you can get the Valedictorian gig when you graduate from High School in a few years. I mean, how do you stop tripping over your enormous brain when you walk? How truly awesome you must seem in your own eyes. I don't see how you can even prevent yourself from masturbating to your own image every time you pass a mirror. I hear blinders may help.
You're an idiot. Worse yet, you're an idiot who doesn't know it. God save us from Know-it-All Morons who can't stop spewing manure in support of their moronic ideas. Now that I think of it, let's just replace that sentence with Romney too: God save us from know-it-all Romneys who can't stop spewing manure in support of their moronic Romney ideas.
Anjisan:
Clearly, reading comprehension and inductive reasoning are not your thing.
First paragraph: An observation. If you find other people’s view of your mental processes insulting, then you’re going to have many problems in life. It looks like you have many problems in life.
Second to fourth paragraphs: See above.
Fifth paragraph: You seem to be irritated by processes that use verifiable evidence as support. In your case, you can pull data from “a news media article.” In my case, I read articles and books to gain knowledge about subjects that interest me. I usually save those articles and books for reference, because it’s what I do. Apparently, you believe that some mental form of osmosis produces your thoughts and your meager intelligence. You are, of course, welcome to your thoughts. Good luck with them.
The fifth paragraph concludes with two sentences. The first is a summary of your intellectual performance, and the second is an observation, which explains that I find your intellectual performance unimpressive, and similar to that of my dog, who I have taught to do a few simple tricks. This just my opinion of course, but my dog is very talented.
Sixth paragraph: If you feel that my suggestion that you have a discussion with Sailcat is an insult, then you have either had had the pleasure of his tête-à-tête, or you have not, and are just assuming it is an insult.
You begin a sentence with “gosh.” I’m sorry, but how do you expect me to take you seriously when you insist on writing like a child.
You wrote: “I don't see how you can even prevent yourself from masturbating to your own image.” Now, it seems that you are frustrated by your intellectual incompetence, and must resort to vulgarisms and Ad Hominem attack, which are found elsewhere in your conclusion.
There is an old saying and I think it aptly applies to you, i.e., if you write like a child and you think like a child, you must be a child.
If you cannot argue your positions without choosing to behave like a spoiled little brat stamping your feet when you don’t get your way, then I suggest that you avoid responding to my comments, because you are not in your element and way beyond your intellectual means.
Good-bye and good luck.
No need to wish me good luck, you're the mentally challenged one who thinks he's Stephen Hawkins. You use insults in place of arguments and pat yourself on the back for your immense intellectual capacity. It's like dealing with a zombie who insists they're still alive.
Wow!!! I can only imagine the level of annoyance those people who actually know you must feel towards you whenever you grace them with your presence.
All your statements are intellectually bankrupt. I'll bet anytime someone you know tells you that you're behaving like a jerk, you're probably really quick to whip out the "Oh, you're just frustrated with me because you can't meet my intellectual level"... No... They're annoyed with you because you're a HUGE jerk.
Sometimes the best answers really are the most simple ones.
More straw man arguments, more begging the question, more Ad Hominem attack, and more intellectual nonsense.
You must feel comfortable making a fool of yourself in front of strangers, because you do a very good job of it. Keep up the good work, apparently, it's the only thing you have an aptitude for.
These are the simplest answers that I could compose in reply to your sixth grade level rant.
WTF are these libtards doing?!?!
Now Obummer's Muslim Brotherhood are f*cking up Egypt & Libya on the same day we're getting our credit downgraded?!?!
Yep.....give us some more of that rejects!!
Obummer 2012 ~ Vote for me, foodstamps are YUMMY!
This "Libtard" is calling you SCUM. Feel better now????
Michael1969: hahahahhahahhahaha Hey, moron, you running that same old BS again? It's always amusing to see what happens when GED flunk outs try to analyze international affairs! hahahhahahahahaha Maybe if the author of the article would print big and with crayons. hahahaha
Michael1969: hahahahhahahhahaha Hey, moron, you running that same old BS again?
TJefferson -
He states the same old @!$%# post after post. I really think he's @!$%#in retarded...
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O&Joe 2012
GT: They're pathetic. These wing nuts are neither well educated nor well born, and they're not bright enough to know that their candidates will screw the hell out of them, if elected. I think, though, none has a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. No matter who is elected his element will live the same life style---on the streets.
Mainly kicking your guy's butt.
Another right wing nut job that lacks intelligence.... nothing to see here, please move along....
Does M-69 even know what the riots are about? Thought not .. simplistic is more his speed.
@Michael1969
Show some damn respect @!$%#tard! He's our President, He's doing a very good job...stop listening to the talking box that obviously runs your life. He's not a Muslim, He's a @!$%#ing Christian and he's an American. Do a little homework before you open your damn mouth and waste our time reading your posts. I hope you aren't an illegal... because I vote, I always have..and you are probably one of the 57 percent of americans who don't and then bitch about how our government is screwing you over...so @!$%# you!
@Michael 1969
The lack of factuality and context is striking: first off, the Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with Obama. Never has and never will and the lies that the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party perpetuate about the President will NOT sway the undecided independent voters in the ten swing states that will decide the election (did I say ten? Sorry, no Michigan and no Pennsylvania, EIGHT swing states!). The lack of specifics on the RR plan has allowed Obama to deadlock recent polls on who best will handle the economy and deficit and has allowed Obama to take a six point lead in overall polls.
Secondly, the threatened downgrade came more as a response to Boehner saying he does not thing another debt ceiling crisis can be avoided and the lack of agreement will trigger more mandatory cuts...the agencies feel THOSE CUTS would kill the growth in this fragile recovery...a terrible ploy out of the 2010 playbook by the obstructionist Congress to kill the recovery and blame Obama...it will not work a second time...no more death panels, no more voting against bills you cosponsored...and hopefully no more dumbs candidates who do not know science (and by the way Romney is NOT one of those...I am referring to dumbasses mike Akin, Bachmann and failed candidates like Angle and O Donnell)...the Republican Party tent is WAY too small to sweep the swing states and as a result they will lose in November (Rand Paul admitted on Sunday on TV that the Republican platform has ceded 150 electoral votes in the Northeast and Far West....but keep spewing hate...see how that works out for you...
It's funny you say that because it's always the beater with pieces falling off that has the GOP bumper sticker.
Ever noticed that?
Coming from Michael and his size 42 waist, I find this hilariously ironic.
President Obama has failed.
He told Matt Lauer he'd be a one-term President if he didn't fix the economy in three years. Time's up. Game over. NEXT!
And your lyin candidates even pissed off Fox News by not ponying up what loopholes they plan on closing. YAY for you, Cubs fan! You sure know how to pick a winner - 103 years since the last Series win??? NICE!
Obama/Biden 2012
Game over. NEXT!
CubsFan2012 -
NittMitt has about as much of a chance of winning the election, as the Cubs have of winning the World Series...
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O&Joe 2012
Even your own candidate recently stated that it would take 8-10 to fix the economy and the deficit, but so of course since Obama could fix it in 3 1/2, they want to throw him out! Face it nothing Obama 's done would be enough or right for the GOP; their long ago state goal was to make him a 1 term President!
Cubby must have a taste for losers: Romney is choking in the stretch and the Cubs are 30.5 games behind the division leading Reds in the NL Central. Cubby lives a rather bleak and empty life, it seems.
How many Republican poor are on food stamps in REPUBLICAN CONTROLED STATES?
LOL, 5 points today, 10 by end of debates.... 'nuff said.. :)
Hey Cubs Fan, I can safely say with that moniker you wouldn't know success if it bit you on the ass. Failure and mediocrity, i.e., Republican Bagga history (despite their failed attempts to rewrite it), is more your speed. You'd really be better off during the next 4 years just sitting back and relaxing with your Skin Head magazine while enjoying the fruits of Obama's and Joe's hard work. Now put that pointy hood back on!
@ Cubsfan2012 you're a @!$%#ktard too!
Snailcat,
Has a penchant for empty rhetoric. He begs the question about Romney in the stretch, and then show the readers that he isn't intelligent to know when the stretch is. Moreover, he doesn't have any unbiased evidence to support his claims. Biased evidence is just socialist toilet paper.
And to top it all off he claims that Cubby has and empty life. Well chum, at leasy Cubby's wife is faithful....................LMAO
Layton:
Is English your second language?
"Ponying up" is an expression used in the lexicon exclusively for asking for money, and nothing else. And if you want to discuss baseball, start a new paragraph.
The cheer "yea", is not spelled yay. Serial punctuation is moronic, and using caps is childish.
The moral of the story: Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house.
You live in a glass house.
someone mentioned monica..
something "clicked"..bingo!.
.."monica goodling"...for you, how bush, messed up the justice dept..:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/monica_goodling.php
Bubba is a hell of a secret weapon. He's the Mick Jagger of politics. Underwear may be thrown on to the stage. But despite a few flaws, he's got an incredible intellect and incredible political instincts. He could be gold for Obama in Northern Florida, Southern Ohio and all over Virginia and Colorado. He reminds people of how we had a surplus only eleven years ago when he left office. And he is a fact machine. I just hope he's still got plenty of energy. But I think a big crowd revs his engine.
Romney up 5 in Virginia, in the latest poll...Bubba wont help here.
Ironic that only a few short months ago he was calling Obama an Amateur, and now he's Obama's biggest shill.
Feeling a burning in your butt, Bob???? Last I checked (which was like two seconds ago) it's dead even at the moment in Virginia. No worries the Lyin' R&R team will help your numbers go .... D O W N
Bill and Barack are joined at the hip, with a great Secretary of State gluing them together. They are going to kick some behind. And Joe Biden is going to chew some bobble head too. Dems have got heavyweights ready for prime time. GOP has got some two faced amateurs.
Last I heard is that Obama is up by 5% in Virginia.
Romney up 5 in Virginia, in the latest poll...Bubba wont help here.
Hey Vag-Bob,
Gravis mkting that did the poll in Va, that shows Mitten's up by 5, is a right wing leaning poll.....
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O&Joe 2012 (In a landslide)
Bill Clinton really knows how to get the crowd motivated. His DNC speech was simply amazing. Obama's fortunate to have him on the team.
When it comes to swing states, Obama leads by 3 points. The national Gallup now has Obama leading by 6 points. If the trend continues, as it probably will, especially after the debates, will the Republicans kick Norquist and the Tea Party to the curb?
The GOP no longer has a chance at the senate majority, and they are losing the House race as well. Have American's woken up? No specifics, failure to mention or thank troops, will now keep some of Obamacare, still no 2011 tax return, on the defensive....
Four more years!
Bob in Vagina,
Real Clear Politics, which averages multiple polls on a daily basis, Monday had Romney up in Virginia by only 0.8%, with that lead falling day by day.
Only "Gravis Marketing," whoever the hell THEY are, has Romney up by 5%.
Gravis probably has money invested in Bain.
Bob,
Ha! Just as I thought, a look at Gravis' website and multiple pages are under construction.
They're not even a stable enterprise, but I guarantee you that Romney, Rove, and/or the Koch Brothers will be giving them lots of business to continue floating their polling data lies.
From Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight.com:
Moreover, polls conducted after both conventions will reflect voters having had a chance to hear both sides of the story. It’s not good for Mr. Romney that voters just became much more informed about the election, and the numbers have shifted toward Mr. Obama.
A better state-level result for Mr. Obama came from an Ohio poll from Gravis Marketing, which put him four points ahead there, reversing a one-point deficit in a poll conducted after the Republican convention. Furthermore, Gravis has had substantial Republican lean in the other polls it has released this year, making these results look stronger for Mr. Obama by comparison.
You do realize that the Justice Department is suing Gallup right?
"Romney up 5 in Virginia, in the latest poll."
Hey Bob -- President Obama is leading in Ohio, Michigan, Colorado, Florida and Nevada. He doesn't need Virginia. Also -- you have a very popular their party candidate who just may siphon off enough voted from Mr. Flip-Flop to give your state to President Obama.
Uh..................Charlie, I have some bad new for you. Obama is not leading in Michigan, Florida or Nevada, Mitt is. Obama is getting his ass kick in Virginia, and it looks like NJ, is turning its back on him too.
If Mitt takes a lead in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, and Wisconsin, Obama's goose is cooked.
Charlie, you're going to like full employment, and lower taxes, and being able to buy a house. Lower gas prices, and food prices, etc, etc.
You will learn to love The Mitt. Or as we call him Romnius Publius Maximus.
Okay Arkius, you seem to have all the answers. Please enlighten us with what great things Mitt Romney will do for us? You say we'll have full employment AND lower taxes, AND everyone will be able to buy a house, AND lower gas prices, AND lower food prices...? Wow. You forgot to add AND a stronger Military, AND a Surplus instead of a Deficit, AND cooperative government, AND greater world respect, AND a million bucks in everyone's bank accounts, AND new cars for everyone who voted for Romney, AND...
Jeez, what a bunch of pipe dreams you have from a candidate who has, so far in this campaign, said NOTHING of value.
Anjisan1963:
You must be aware that you live in a dilapidated house of absurd intellectual observations, but what I find amusing, is that you want to invite me in to your ramshackle world, to share your meaningless dialog.
Why, in one breath, do you tell me that I have all the answers and ask me to enlighten you, and then in the next breath, you give me the subject on which I should be lecturing?
Yes, I think that once the economy is on the right track America will experience almost full employment; I believe that lower taxes, food prices and gasoline prices will come first. I believe that the Fannie may and Frannie may mortgage plans will be strong again in the future, and thus most people will be able to own their own home again.
I said nothing about a stronger military, a tax surplus, cooperative government, etc, etc, and especially the ridiculous things you mentioned. Those are typical straw man arguments. You create bogus claims and assign them to someone else. Doing that sort of thing indicates weak arguments and a weaker mind.
You wrote: “Jeez, what a bunch of pipe dreams you have from a candidate who has, so far in this campaign, said NOTHING of value.” Here, you are begging the question. You assume that Romney has said nothing of value. If you didn’t watch the Republican National Convention, then there is no point in me trying to discuss issues with a man who is unfamiliar with the topic.
If you did watch the convention, then you must have heard Mr. Romney’s speech. If you heard Mr. Romney’s speech and you still think he has said “nothing of value”, then you have already made up your mind, and having a discussion with you is pointless, which leads me to ask you a few questions of my own. If you heard Mr. Romney’s speech and you still think he has said “nothing of value”, then you have already made up your mind. If you have already made up your mind, then why did you bother to respond to my comments in the first place? What was your point?
You see Anjisan, I read your comments just once and I knew immediately that you had no idea what you were talking about. You threw together a bunch of poorly conceived observations, and you expected me to help you make sense of your shoddy critical thinking.
To me, you wrote a meaningless dialog. You took a few concepts that I implied would occur in no particular order or time constraint, and then you sarcastically and arrogantly suggested that I forgot to add concepts that I did not intend to include in the first place. Moreover, you expected me to carry your conversation for you. Sorry pal, it’s not going to happen. You built the straw man argument, and you begged the question, now you get yourself out of it.
If you didn’t have the answers to your questions in the first place, then you shouldn’t have asked them. You made very poor arguments, and you made yourself look foolish.
A very, very poor effort.
I did listen to Romney's speech. Matter of fact, let's look at it a little closer:
What is Romney saying here? That Obama should have fixed everything and put America back to where it should have been? Three and a half years ago, we were going over the fiscal cliff, you do remember that don't you, or were you still in your diapers back then?
So, Obama should have put us back on the path to prosperity by now. We are better off then where we were in November of 2008. So, Obama hasn't set us back, he just hasn't restored us to prosperity according to Romney. Could Romney do better in the same amount of time?
Apparently not. He made a pretty disingenuous statement within his speech at the RNC, right from the get-go.
Romney then goes on for another 20 minutes or so talking about his childhood, his family memories, his time growing up, his faith, and just about everything else not really related to governing our country. A good portion of his speech is a wasted effort on his part trying to prove to his constituents that he isn't a soulless robot (no luck).
Finally, he gets to a little more substance:
Funny how Romney doesn't describe the financial restructuring he had to do for Bain & Company in the early 90's with the FDIC to avoid the company falling into bankruptcy. Guess it was just better for his speech to gloss over the governmental instruments in place to help his company survive. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-mitt-romney-get-a-bailout-for-bain-and-company/2012/07/24/gJQAvzSh7W_blog.html)
He also describes his company nicely, didn't he? "Just a bunch of guys getting together to 'help' other companies". That's a helluva description for a company involved with Leverage BuyOuts and Hostile Takeovers of other companies. Keep in mind, Romney is not manufacturing computers, not making IPods, not writing software, not pouring steel, or building skyscrapers. He's moving money from one area to another area, shuffling papers, taking out loans, and reassigning those loans to the companies he takes over. Not the Captain of Industry he'd like to portray himself as.
For the next 10 minutes or so, Romney returns to his old stomping grounds of detailing how Obama has failed the American public. Still without ever saying a word about what he'd do differently to make things better.
Here you go Arkius. The fine, fine plan as detailed by Romney. Five wonderful declarations.
I call them declarations because that's all they are. This is no plan. This is nothing more than blowing smoke up the butts of his fanboys.
Well, maybe he's just listing his steps, and he'll get to the details in the next part of his speech...?
Guess the details are not as important as it is to villainize our President some more. Wait a minute...?
You know, maybe preventing global warming, and attempting to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet may actually help you and your family? I don't think we can ignore the problems with the planet and expect to live happy lives with runaway global warming...? Is it really that easy to divorce oneself from reality? Do we really exist outside of nature? Only if you're rich enough to afford air conditioning I guess.
Romney continues his speech...
...Damn more dogging of the President, still no details (what is a Jobs Tour? What will be accomplished with a Jobs Tour? Will he be bringing Jobs with him on his Tour? Will he be taking the Jobs to see the Grand Canyon and other natural wonders on his tour? We don't really get that, do we? Just more BS from the GrandMaster of BS)
...and he ends with a statement of hope, while rattling the old familiar Republican Military sabers.
Arkius, your pal Romney continues to say NOTHING. NOTHING. You're backing of this robotic drone makes all of your arguments NOTHING. A very poor effort on my part? MAN! You are the king of meaningless BS. Intellectually superior? HA!!!
Matter of fact... HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
I'm laughing at your self perceived concept of your own mental superiority. Your lack of any vision. Your blind acceptance of republican dogma. Your complete lack of independent thought. Your cheap and tawdry insults in place of logic and reason.
You're a total joke. Anyone who has read any of your posts are now dumber for having read them. You have contributed to a detectable drop in the combined mental IQ of our country. Honey Boo-Boo watches you when she wants some cheap, lowbrow entertainment. Jerry Springer wouldn't have you on his show because he thought you'd cheapen and sully his act. You are definitely depriving a village of its idiot at this particular moment in time.
...Since I'm on a roll, let's go back to this statement from Romney in his speech:
Wow... Sounds like a tough, Pro-Military guy who means business.
Romney was shooting his mouth off yesterday about "what he'd do as President", militant guy that he is. He's put a lot of heat on the President yesterday for his handling of the the Libyan Embassy attack and this really just another character flaw of Romney.
For all you Pro-Military Republicans out there, your hero, Romney, was in the age range of 18-26 from 1965 to 1973.
Did he go to Vietnam? No, he got deferment after deferment until the draft was repealed in 1973. In several interviews, Mitt says, he felt really bad for our guys fighting in Vietnam and really wish he could have been there to help.
Coward!
Mitt has five sons. In this day and age of almost continuous warfare, how many of his boys have volunteered to serve their country? None. Let's go through the list:
Taggart (Romney's oldest) was 20 years old when the first Gulf War hit in 1990, and 31 when 9/11/2001 kicked off the next round of Terrorist Wars. Did he fight in any of these conflicts?
No.
In retrospect, Princesses Diana's two sons have served in the War Zones. Britain appreciates the Royal Family's willingness to put their royal heirs in harms way. Prince William even extended his length of service. Prince Harry has an Operational Service Medal he earned from his tour of duty in Afghanistan. Apparently, what's good for the British people is good for the British Royalty.
Next Son.
Matthew. 19 during the Gulf War in 1990, and 30 following September 11th, 2001. Service to his country? No.
Joshua. 15 during the Gulf War. He is excused. 26 following September 11th, 2001. Excuse revoked.
Benjamin. 23 following September 11th, 2001. No excuse.
Craig. 20 following September 11th, 2001. No excuse.
These men are now in their 30's and 40's, and have never served a single day in the service of their country.
Like Father like son.
Mitt Romney, when asked about his own and his son's lack of Military Service Romney said this, "My Boys are serving their country by trying to get ME elected to the Presidency".
The sheer balls of this guy!
All of you Pro-Military Republicans out there should feel shame for even suggesting that Mitt Romney or any of his cowardly family have any guts at all. They're all a bunch of craven, gutless, yellow whiners incapable of knowing what service to their country is.
The only service they're familiar with is "Room Service".
Anjisan;
I asked you: “If you heard Mr. Romney’s speech and you still think he has said “nothing of value”, then you have already made up your mind, and having a discussion with you is pointless.” If you wish to support a man who has ruined the American economy through incompetence and ruse, then you are welcome to your foolishness. If you wish to make excuses for his incompetence and ruse, again, you are welcome to your foolishness.
If you think you’re going to convince me to change my mind on any subject, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but you do not possess the necessary critical thinking skills, to properly debate an issue like an adult.
Further up this page the readers will find an example of what you believe is an acceptable substitute for intellectual discourse. It contains vulgar dialog and Ad Hominem attack. Why anyone would want to subject himself or herself to that immature behavior, has yet to cross your mind. I don’t intend to disturb your reverie by going any further then these final comments, by telling you that I do not care to debate with anyone who behaves as childishly as you do, and is as intellectually inept as you are.
Unless you are willing to apologize for your behavior in a manner that I believe is sincere and genuine, then I will not be willing to discuss anything further with you.
Good-bye and good luck.
Arkius. I have detailed the contents of Romney's speech and PROVEN that he has said nothing of value. This is not a personal preference thing. This is not me already making up my mind about the man. It is just the simple fact that the man ACTUALLY SAID NOTHING of VALUE!!! Nothing.
I welcome anyone reading this board to tear into his speech, analyze it, pull out the useful content that explains what Romney will do to fix our country. They'll find a whole lot of talking with practically zero actual content.
To end... Your reply is expected. I anticipated the "block wall" defense. I have read everything you have written since about May on many of the topics you've decided to grace the reader with your Amazing Insight. Accusing me of being childish, immature, and insulting is an absolute laugh. Looking down your nose, and dismissing everything anyone has to say really does demonstrate your super-human intelligence.
That's good. Glad to know I've rattled you, annoyed you, insulted you, hurt your feelings, and finally got you to do the "I'm turning my back on you, crossing my arms over my chest, and refusing to talk to you anymore". I remember when my daughter use to do that to me when she was 5. It was so cute. Shame a grown man doing the same thing is just plain pathetic.
Nice arguing with you Junior. Look me up if you ever grow a pair and think you can actually argue factually with me on an intellectual level above a middle schooler.
Yeah. Owned.
Anjisan:
You wrote: “I have detailed the contents of Romney's speech and PROVEN that he has said nothing of value.” You are delusional. Now, you have convinced yourself that your opinion equals proof. This is why I have no respect for your intelligence.
You actually believe that circular thinking has merit. Are you aware that hundreds, perhaps thousands of other people read your drivel? Do you think that out of all the people that have read your absurd nonsense, that I am the only person that realizes that you’re engaging in circular thinking? Do you realize that your own words validate my arguments? In the circus of the intellectually inept, you are the supreme high wire act.
You wrote: “This is not a personal preference thing. This is not me already making up my mind about the man. It is just the simple fact that the man ACTUALLY SAID NOTHING of VALUE!!! Nothing.”
1) This is just you admitting that you are begging the question
2) This is you admitting that you are assuming, based on your own prejudice, that Mitt Romney said nothing of value during his acceptance speech.
3) This is you denying that other people might have opinions that differ from yours.
4) This is you not taking into account that their opinions are just as valid as yours.
5) This is you being a self-righteous, know-it-all child.
6) This is me showing the readers that you substituted your opinion for proof, and thus engaged in circular thinking.
Personally, I don’t believe that anyone reading my comments, in all honesty, could interpret them as a “"block wall" defense.” They are well reason responses to your poorly thought out claptrap.
You wrote: “I have read everything you have written since about May on many of the topics.” Here, you admit to either cyber-stalking me long term, or having an unhealthy obsession with the thoughts and behavior of another man. In either event, I am neither flattered , nor gay, and your attention is unwanted. If you do not back off and leave me alone; I will report you to the Newsvine moderator for the appropriate action.
You wrote: “Glad to know I've rattled you, annoyed you, insulted you, hurt your feelings.” Please don’t flatter yourself. As I have already explained to you, but you have chosen to ignore: You amuse me like my dog, whom I’ve taught to do a few simple tricks. If you’d like, I can also teach you to do a few things that other readers might find amusing.
Your problem is that you actually believe that the art of debate rests on being born with a pair of gonads, this is obviously why you are having so much trouble understanding the subject matter. As any woman will tell you, you don’t need balls to discuss an issue with authority, you need intelligence, of which you seem to be in very short supply.
You remind me of another teenage punk with self-esteem issues, he calls himself DarthDomm. He uses the same high school jargon that you have used. So let me turn it back on you; You are owned and exposed, loser.
No, no, no, no, no Arkius...
Once you stamp your little feet and stomp of the stage...
...you don't get to sneak back onto the stage while I'm taking a bow to throw another one of your silly pies at me.
Again, and. I'll. Talk. Really. Slowly.
Every argument, every point I've made has really not been countered by a reliable rebuttal from you. Rather your response has been and continues to be, "Anjisan, you don't know the rules about debate; therefore, you can't debate" or you say, "You're just offering your opinion on these opinion commentary boards, and your opinion isn't valid unless your citing an article written by someone else who wrote down their opinion". You accuse me of circular arguments! Ha.
You have YET to answer my one question: Was there ANYTHING in Romney's acceptance speech that could actually be construed as an actual plan for this country, OR was he just blowing smoke up everyone's tailpipe?
Doesn't matter now. You ran screaming off the stage with your, "I'm not talking to you any further until you apologize to me" childlike tantrum, and yet....
HERE YOU ARE AGAIN! Well. If your word is your bond, and if you promised to not respond to me until you got an apology, it looks like your word isn't worth $##t!
As far as your cyberstalking charge..? I just like to know who I'm dealing with. Apparently, your a Nazi apologist who doesn't think Nazi War Criminals should be held accountable for their crimes because nowadays they're just too old to be responsible anymore for their role in the genocide of millions of people. (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/02/13089911-poland-confronts-its-role-in-jewish-deaths?threadId=3533200&commentId=69971316#c69971316&__utma=154396583.813124246.1345003018.1347591184.1347630013.14&__utmb=154396583.5.10.1347630013&__utmc=154396583&__utmx=-&__utmz=154396583.1347371803.8.2.utmcsr=nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/_news/2012/09/09/13759896-romney-voters-can-look-to-principles-for-sense-of-how-hed-govern&__utmv=154396583.|8=Earned%20By=newsvine%7Cnewsvine=1^12=Landing%20Content=Original=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.newsvine.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Original=1&__utmk=245460548)
Why am I not surprised to find a Nazi Apologist bucking to have Romney elected to President?
You're a real slimeball pal. And yes, that's my opinion, but I'd be willing to bet it'd be the opinion of many other posters on this site.
...By the way... You ran through the boards last night posting to my other posts. You promise to ignore me, and then swamp me with your nonsense on my other posts! I hope you don't mind, but responding to your ongoing drivel you consider intellectual discourse AFTER you've stomped off the stage seems unproductive. ...and I think I prefer not talking to a Nazi Sympathizer.
Just in case my link (which was incredibly long) didn't take: Look up the MSNBC News Article: Poland Confronts its role in Jewish Deaths. Posted on August 2.
In this posting Arkius suggests that the criminals shouldn't be prosecuted because they're just too old nowadays to be held responsible for their actions in their younger days.
I think I'll just let the newsvine moderator deal with you.
Owned and exposed, loser.
Hahahahaha....
So, first you go running away saying, "I'm never going to talk to you again until you apologize to me"... Now, you're threatening to TELL on ME... You really are a 5-year-old. I KNEW IT!!!
Hey Pal, go ahead and tell all you want. After going through your many, many posts where you accuse people of being fat, childish, stupid, illiterate, dumb, beneath you, ridiculous, unpopular, and delusional; I don't know if you'd get a whole lot of sympathy from the Newsvine Moderators. (You little snitch, you).
Frankly, I find it so funny that the bigger bullies on these boards are usually the ones to run screaming for Mama when they're called on their BS. Glad to see you're no different Mr. Superior INTELLECT!!!
These far, right wing, extremist, fanatics are talking to themselves again. Clinton's popularity is 68%, and rising. President Obama will win the White House by a landslide, and these pathetic conspiracy theorists will be sitting out in the cold muttering to themselves. But then, that's what happens when you don't have a decent formal education.
Awww TJefferson ... very well stated! The conspiracy party needs to get their shi* together and either become an actual party and siphon off the tea baggers. Only after doing so will they be taken seriously!
Oh right! Coming from a man that said he did not have SEX with that woman. REALLY!!!!! He doesn't even know what it means to have sex. And you want to listen to what he has to say about what is best for the people of this country! PLEASE!!!!!!! Once a cheater always a cheater. Can't be trusted.
Donna, I would so much rather listen to a man that is caught in a social lie rather than one that has been elected to Congress and lies to the media about his vote. Yes, Bill lied about his SOCIAL life. Ryan lied about his CONGRESSIONAL voting! Big difference.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/10/1130081/-Paul-Ryan-says-he-didn-t-vote-for-the-defense-cuts-he-voted-nbsp-for
Once a dog abuser, always a dog abuser. Certainly can't be trusted.
Better a consenting adult than a dog, don't you think?
Well, poor Donna lives in a time period where she thought every Mexican man adored her. Poor thing forgot she went down the tube like Annette. Where's the peanut butter, or should we say, let them eat cake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMcHbh6HBDk
Oh Donna 367223, puh-lease! The world now knows what BS that Republican impeachment was. Yeah, that witch hunt championed by none other than that fat, greezie, skirt-chasing, heffalump...Gingrich! Any polling would reveal that Repubs are way more involved in deviant, kinky, sick s**t with bipeds and quadrupeds while reading their Bible the whole time! No wonder you people keep bringing up Monica at every turn. Sorry to disappoint you but there is no Monica sex tape. Your refund's in the mail.
They are all, at least most of them are a bunch of pervs. JFK had them lined up. Both him and Bobby. We are all sinners. Get over it. Read tour history books. We have been in WW3 for 30 years through both parties and they both dropped the ball. Look past the man to the background and resume. A 1 term nobody and poof then president. Who paid for that. I have my ideas but i read alot unlike alot of people here. Jobs!!!! the only people that has benefited from him are the very rich. Wall street, the federal reserve. Witch is no even a american company much less part of our government. Only has 1 american sitting on the board. If you think what Bill did with Monica was sick and pervrded look how many same sex mayors and senetors and govenors are there. Some are not even with the same partner. Better stop throwing those stones in that glass house. It does not make you look to smart.
Remember --- every single time the right wing has taken on Bill Clinton, the right wing gets their asses kicked. If Bill Clinton could run today he would win in a landslide. And if George W. Bush could run again, he would have a hard time winning Texas.
TJefferson, you lie just like Obama.
The Clinton popularity poll numbers you're touting were taken from among Democrats during the convention.
Come back and talk to us after the election so we can all laugh in your face for acting like a fool for our amusement.
TJefferson, the Republican's clown.
Charlie, remember, everything you've said so far is irrelevant. You're just talking through your butt.
Also, you seem to have some personal self-esteem issues showing with the writing in bold thing. Most of the normal people here don't need to do that, so maybe you might want to discuss it with your therapist this week.
FYI: Bill Clinton is still one of the most hated men in America.
Boy, I would loved to have been at that rally!!!Lucky for those who had that privilege.
Yeah the person who calls himself saint paul ryan has been caught lying again. But for the supporters of mr grover, the gop, the rushbo, & foxnews.com it means little. Because they know they have been having their heads filled with garbage and trash for years and years. They know it. Everybody knows it. You might consider it an art form. And the followers of mr grover, the gop, the rushbo, & foxnews.com like it that way.
And why is living in this manner required. That is, why is it necessary to have your head filled with garbage and trash every day. It makes you feel better. Like knowing obama was born in kenya. Or that obama is a socialist. How about the economy hasn't turned around. I tell you the rushbo has them trained. They know that it is important to remember what the rushbo told them and to be able to repeat what they were told word for word. The rushbo has carefully honed his messages to his minions. It's why they are called ditto heads. They greet each other with the term mega dittos.
Ok. Ok. So why does the rushbo go though all the trouble of packaging lies instead of just telling the truth. It's because his minions need to follow his leadership. To do what they are told to do. To be molded into the society where we have govt of the kocks, by the kocks, & for the kocks. And that govt for the people be extinguished from the earth.
But the whole thing exploded when the clint man told the rnc convention that we own the country. That politicians work for us. What. What. Don't tell them that. Say mr grover, the gop, the rushbo, & foxnews.com. Mr grover, the gop, the rushbo, & foxnews.com work for the kocks. Not for you. You are supposed to follow them. Repeat what they tell you exactly. Word for word. I tell you the entire rnc convention collapsed. Look at the faced on saint paul ryan and his wife when the clint man was repeating the ideas of abe lincoln. About a govt of the people, by the people, for the people. Never perishing from the earth. Their faces showed disbelief.
But the kocks have been giving sooo many tea party members $100M/month to get elected into office. Like the kocks did for the governor of wisconson. But nearly everybody knows that the tea party in congress have done nothing but obstruction to obama's plans. Plans to get jobs to people who need them just like fdr did during the depression. It's why congress has an approval rating of only 8%. But the clint man had a suggestion for what you need to to the 8% approval ta party congress. Remember he said - When you don't do your job, we have to let you go.
Clinton got impeached remember. They all lie or do you think they only print the truth on the internet. I geuss Al gore inveted the internet. Who says ditto an 18 year old. Don't blame rush. everybody knows he is an entertainer not an advisor like some people think. There is a few people that can still think for themselves. Read your history books and follow the money trail. All poloticians are puppets on a string. Look past them to who is pulling the strings. You might not like what you find. It might just scare the @!$%# out of you.
Clinton got impeached remember.
And a Republican controlled Senate ACQUITTED him on both charges. Funny -- you teatards always forget to mention the other half of that story.
and just think...wasn't it a Republican President who also was impeached..and had to resign or be found guilty....funny...lyin' is in the GNOP DNA....
GNOP can't stand facts...THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
C'mon Mythe show us the 1040's..What ARE YOU hiding@???
Michael & Bob, Obama is going to be re-elected, you are going to have to learn to deal with that, as bad as you think Obama is, the general electorate thinks even less of the republican ticket, and lets face it that ticket did not get any help from republicans in Congress. Ha maybe Bush can come out of hiding and stump for Romney.
thinking that mitt will win is a wishfull imagination, like a mirage in the sahara.
This is what it's come down to. Everyone seems to know President Obama has done a poor job. Everyone knows the recovery is too anemic, and too painful for so many. Presidents Obama and Clinton are actually campaigning on these premises.
President Obama's base (as indicated by Forrest) openly agrees.
What the heck is going on? Are we supposed to acknowledge that, yes, the state of our economy, our leadership, and our choices are horrible and shrug and say that's okay --- ?
President Clinton is trying desperately to give us hope, though.
In truth, they are spreading hopelessness. We're now being told there's no hope for getting Congress to work together. There's no hope for avoiding the fiscal cliff. There's no hope for disbanding the Super Pacs. Our only hope is to choose the candidate that's not as hopeless as the other guy. 300,000+ have given up hope of ever finding a job.
How pitiful.
Come on, guys, time for some Hope again!
Time for a change.
Candice .. while I like your message, you alone from the right support this attitude. Democrats were more than willing to stop the republican landslide into a depression, it made sense. Sadly, they had another agenda - to destroy the first Black American president, and to destroy any possibility of democrats to restore fiscal responsibility. Sorry, but to turn over the economy of the nation to republicans means fast cash, siphon off your neighbors. It is extraction. I don't buy the message. In my view, the country did best when we all put forward to engage and push forward the middle class. I would rather spend my time beating up a low-life undeserving middle class wanna be vs. spending time fighting honest working folks working towards the next class.
landside into depression. You must be working with a bunch of illegle allians because they are the only ones working. For slave wages. The same pay i made 40 years ago. Check your facts he is half white not black. Now i would vote for Bill Cosby in a heart beat because he is smart and has common sense. Start reading about history it will suprise you. Both parties have had their problems. Terror did not start with Bush. We have been in WW3 for 30 years just everybody did not read about it. If you can read check it out. All the attacts on our buildings and bases and all the people killed by some nutjobs that call themselves muslims. Poloticians have made alot of bad choices. Read the book about subsidies. You will be shocked. Quit drinking the coolaid and think.
Well Candice -- you say it't time for a change. My question -- change to what? Mitt Romney has NO answers. His economic policy is W. Bush all over again. Electing Romney to fix this economy would be like smoking ti cure ling cancer.
Charlie, you claim that Mitt Romney has no answers. You claim that Mitt Romney's economic policies are George W. Bush's policies all over again.
I claim that you're a liar.
I claim that if you can't compare and contrast policy for policy Mitt Romney's proposals to "fix" the economy, with George W. Bush's economic policies during his presidency, then you are a no good liar.
It is time to put up or shut up Charlie. And you can't write it in bold either. If you write it in bold, you lose. And your writing must make sense and be well written, and no one is allowed to respond for you.
If you don't respond for yourself, then you're a no good liar.
Put up, or shut up.
Bill Clinton is the fact man, and will school everyone, if they will listen.
He is my favorite past President, and was a great President.
Make sex jokes all you want Republican's, here is a former President with the credentials, knowledge and the how too, to go out and stump for President Obama.
And where is President Bush? Oh yeah we are still pretending that 2000-2008 never happened.
President Obama inherited a huge mess, not being cleaned up fast enough? Blame congress, T-party.
Except the fact checkers weren't so accepting of his convention speech "facts" that have now become his stump speech.
That's obviously what the Obama team is banking on. Unquestioning voters in awe of a celebrity.
It's too bad. I liked President Clinton. I hate to see him put his credibility on the line.
Candice - here's what FactCheck actually said about Clinton's speech:
Might want to fact-check yourself before you start ranting again.
Paul Ryan, on the other hand, got flamed for his outright Pinocchio LIES:
So are you ready to admit that Bill Clinton is more truthful than Paul Ryan? We're all waiting to see how honest a GOP'er can be.
You mean the same CLinton that had the opportunity to take out OBL at least 3 times and didn't. The same Clinton that could have possibly prevented 9-11 and didnt. Oh you must mean the same Clinton that when our Barracks at Khobar Towers was bombed, sent a measley 2 tomahawk missiles into an abandoned training camp, that was KNOWN TO BE ABANDONED for at least 8 years, as a response. Oh the same CLINTON that pushed through NAFTA and along with it our jobs. The same Clinton who committed perjury before congress - and I don't care about it being about his personal life, lying to congress is a FELONY, a crime. You mean the same Clinton that looked into the camera, into the eyes of the country and bold face lied.
Must mean the same Clinton that is receiving MILLIONS of dollars in donations from foreign countries for his foundation - not that those donations would be taken into ANY consideration of political advantage with his spouse as secretary of state. The same White Water Clinton. The same Clinton that was DISBARRED which takes quite a bit to be disbarred. Yeah, I can see how he was great... GREAT AT LYING, GREAT AT DOING NOTHING, AND CERTAINLY GREAT of TRYING TO COVER UP HIS LIES.
I am no real fan of Romney either. But when it comes to making a choice based on what Bill Cliton says, I would rather listen to my toe nail, at least I know that toe nail might not be too bright, but it sure as hell wont lie.
Anything....anything at all to deflect the F A C T that Bush allowed the worst terror attack ever on American soil.
What more proof does anyone need that the Republicans have no personal responsibility whatsoever?
If a Democrat had been in the White House on 9/11, your party would have been howling for the next 100 years that we couldn't be trusted with governing.
You should be damn grateful that the Democrats aren't as vindictive as your side or you'd be hearing "9/11" every time you walk out your doors.
Except the fact checkers weren't so accepting of his convention speech "facts" that have now become his stump speech.
Did you read what the checkers said about the entire Republican convention? One lie after another after another another
fact checkers hell, FOX NEWS was in arms about all the lies at the republican convention. FOX NEWS!
we know pols lie, but the brazen and unabashed lies from the republicans this election season has taken lying to a completely new level, and i hope they are not rewarded for it.
hummbird:
Bill Clinton's lecture to the American people at the Democratic National convention would have us believe that Barrack Hussein Obama inherited an insurmountable financial disaster from his predecessor, President George W. Bush. But why should I believe a man who has already lied to the American people about having sex with other women?
Bill Clinton cheated on his wife while he was President of the United States, and then lied to us about it? What has he done since that incident to redeem his personal sincerity in a way that would make me change my mind about his character, and adopt his opinion about the credibility of Barrack Obama’s presidency? Absolutely nothing.
He is still cheating on his wife with actress Linda Carter. Does the concept of scruples mean anything to you? Apparently not, because you’re willing to get down on your knees and believe every word that falls out of the mouth of a man who does not have the moral character to keep the oath he swore to his wife. He has no credibility. He will say any lie at any time if it will benefit him or a cause that he is promoting. You are a very gullible man.
Hummbird, if Bill Clinton thought he could get away with it; he’d use his celebrity status to try and charm your wife or daughter into giving him oral sex, and then ask them to not tell you about it. This is the man that you’re putting on a pedestal.
Clinton told the American people that: "President Obama started with a much weaker economy than I did. Listen to me, now. No president- no president, not me not any of my predecessors, no one could have repaired all the damage that he found in just four years." Is that so? Well, he has given me no compelling reason to believe him? None what-so-ever.
In a 2011 Face the Nation article by columnist, David Morgan, the first two years of the Bush tax cuts, 2002 and 2003, revenues show a slight drop off; however, “revenues then increased for four years - from $1,880.1 billion in FY 2004 to $2,568 billion in FY 2007 - before sliding to $2,524 billion in FY 2008” (David Morgan, Face the Nation: July 10, 2011 2:08 PM). In essence, the Bush tax cuts had the desired affect, economic activity “was continually rising, according to Bureau of Economic Analysis data” (ibid). From 2006 to the present (2009), congressional Democrats have increased discretionary spending by 23% without matching budget cuts elsewhere (The Wall Street Journal: Internet Document, October 26, 2009).
According to David Jackson of USA Today, “the deficit for fiscal year 2009, which ended Sept. 30, came in at a record $1.42 trillion, more than triple the record set just last year (David Jackson, USA Today: Oct 16, 2009). More than triple the 2008, $455 billion budget deficit of President George Bush, who was fighting a two front war. The deficit for fiscal year 2010, which ended Sept. 30 is $ 1.29 trillion, which is 8.9% of the economy (CNN Money:Jeanne Sahadi, October 17, 2010). The deficit for fiscal year 2011, which ended Sept. 30 is $1.3 trillion, which is 8.6% of the gross domestic economy (Reuters: Richard Cowan and Donna Smith, Friday October 7, 2011). It is unmistakable that Barrack Hussein Obama’s administration took a $455 billion dollar deficit and ballooned it up to a high of $1.42 and kept it at an average of $1.34 since he took office in 2009. He has not done one iota to bring it down in three years, and he expects the voting public to be so gullible as to believe that he needs four more years to repair his own mistakes.
Therefore, if America’s financial house is in disarray, Barrack Hussein Obama has no one to blame but himself and the tax and spend Liberal Democrats.
As Bill Clinton expressed, no Chief executive “could have repaired all the damage that he found in just four years." Well Mr. Clinton, that dog just won’t hunt, because Barrack Hussein Obama managed to wreck the American economy in less than three years?
A convicted liar and impeached president is shilling for a foreign minority student. Great, they're a kin to Lie-awatha (I did it to meet friends) Warren. Liars are us.
At least Clinton likes sex.
It's the ones who dwell on making laws that include ForceableRape that worry me.
High Plains Drifter starring lifetime Republican Clint Eastwood, originally released in 1973, was on TV last week.
Fifteen minutes in, Clint sexually assaults a woman in a stable.
When she reports the crime, her exact wording is:
"Forcible rape!"
You just can't make this stuff up!
Well hey, at least she cannot get pregnant...or so I hear.
The worse the Republicans lose in the polls and the farther their pitiful lying candidates fall behind the more vile and hateful and mean their attacks become. They will be spitting blood and pissing vinegar by election day and then they all finally will turn their hatred on rom;ney when he loses in a landslide.
I agree...it's getting nasty in these blogs. CNN has one open right now, "Protesters attack U.S. Compound..."
OMG! Don't go in there!
Here is the newest one...
It was so bad I had to delete it.
Lyin' ry;an voted against helping the 9/11 First Responders. He voted against it twice and then he believed so strongly against helping the first responders with their health effects of 9/11 he gave an impassioned speech in the House of Representatives lamenting the Bills passage and how it was such a huge mistake to help first responders to the WTC on 9/11. Look it up it is a bill called the Zadroga Act which was named for a 34 year old detective in the NYPD who died of cancer from ground zero while working there to save people. lyin' ry;an plotted on inuaguration night with his co-conspirators to intentionally subvert the Nation's economic recovery and this was all done during a time of war. While the Nation's bravest men and women were defending our Nation the Republicans were at a fancy restaurant plotting and conspiring to stab the Nation in the back. That is exactly what the Republicans have done for four years stab the Nation in the back.
how sad to see Clinton become a salesman for Obama.
Sad? Clinton loves it.
By the way...it's obvious he's doing it to protect the USA from Romney!
How sad to see that the GOP is so ashamed of Bush that they didn't even invite him to the convention.
Especially since they spent the whole thing rah-rah'ing over his policies.
RealAmerican....and isn't it the policies of Bush that Romney is running on? Nothing like bringing us back to the past ...instead for Forward to the Future!
GNOP can't stand the facts.! THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
C'mon Mythe - show us the 1040's! What ARE you hiding@?
All Democratic members, from the politicians to volunteers, should participate the OBAMA 2012 campaign; and former President Clinton is one of the most influential politicians; and this is the time that the Democrats should speak out for President Obama like Clinton.
The former President Clinton is right about Mr. Paul Ryan, for Mr. Ryan has been working in the Budget Committee before President Obama in the office back in 2009.
PLEASE-Go to sciencedebate.org-so much information for both canidates ,it goes to show where they stand on14 different issuses-PLEASE
If Obama loses, all the libtards are pledging to move to Canada or Europe. Talk about a win/win for America.
Where will you and your degenerate ilk move when President Obama is reelected? Canada won't have you, Australia has socialized medicine, and France is, well, full of French people (and we all know what you think of them, right?), so where will you emigrate?
I think you should check out the employment possibilities in Iran for fast food workers: it might be a perfect fit for you.
Good luck.
Sailcat - personally I think their views are more suited to Somalia.
You know, their own personal walled estates, private militia, cheap servants.
Too bad about the pirates, but I'm sure that they can pool their yachts and take them out.
sailcat-2064101
How old are you. You really beleive what they say. I am 60 and they all lie even the news media. They are all bought out by the highest bidder. Talk about iran well obama is muslim and wants guns removed from all of us just like in iran. If you think i am full of @!$%# just read some of his own books(hate books) and look at the gun laws in the state he ruled for 1 term before that he was a nobody. read the resumes and how much they were paid. I don't like any of the choices but i will take the american that want the Constitution to stay the same and not change it. If you are against guns just wait till youm have one of the largest drug gangs from mexico pull a gun and empty it 6 inches from your head with you pregnant wife and good friend in the car. I would be dead today if not for my gun!!!!!
Alvin is here representing the right wing lunatic fringe, I see. If ignorance was a penny a pound, ol' Alvin would be a millionaire.
Alvin - President Obama has signed MORE laws relaxing gun carry/ownership for ALL Americans in four years than President Bush did in eight. The NRA lies.
Yoitsme and Alvin:
You’ll have to excuse Sailcat; he labors under the illusion that he is playing some sort of cockamamie Hamlet to an admiring audience of easily deluded Liberal Democrats. You can tell by his effeminate dialog that he is excessively egotistical and immature and that he has convinced himself and a few hangers-on that Obama actually has a snowballs chance in a sauna of winning a second term.
Yoitsme, did you notice how he took what you said about the Libtards moving to Canada, and sissified it, then tried to turn it around on you? He always does that, because he doesn’t know how to argue a point like an adult male, and if it isn’t that, then he’s going off on that boring lunatic fringe angle, which is getting a bit tedious, because he uses that stupid idea two or three time on every board. Moreover, if that doesn’t work, then he just resorts to personal attacks. He does that when he feels threatened by somebody with a point that they’re trying to make. Personally, I think his testosterone level is very low and he’s a little annoyed about it.
It must suck being Sailcat: A Democrat shill with no life; his candidate is going down in November, and his party is swirling around the bowl in both houses of congress.
I think it's time he got a life.
Matthew 2771918 wrote: "Alvin - President Obama has signed MORE laws relaxing gun carry/ownership for ALL Americans in four years than President Bush did in eight. The NRA lies."
Matthew, IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID.
Oh yah come to find out the Rep. are trying to surpress ALL votes in Florida and Iowa,Please if you go to vote go early and take a chair but don't give up ,If you can't take too much MORE time, vote straight one way or the other-JUST VOTE-don't be discouragaged!!!!!-Sorry a little too much rum-VOTE
Nobody reads their resume. If you did you would be amazed. One guy has worked for free. Taking no pay. Has numerous degrees. He is very smart. Not saying he is the best the republicans have but the other guy is a nobody. A 1 term senator and spent most of that time pluging for president on our dime. He has wrote a few books. Hate books. Just read them. They will scare the @!$%# out of you. A Chicago thug. Look where the money trail goes. Both side are paid off by the same people. At least i vote on the resume not the color of his skin. WHO IS PREDGIDOUS. I would vote for Bill Cosby and he is 100% black but smart and American.
DB, you need to read Clinton's book. Obama is promoting -or trying to with no help from the Rep. in the House-many of the same policies that Clinton had. The Clinton years were very prosperous....as they always are under a Dem. The economy and the stock market both do better during Dem. terms than Rep terms.
obviously you wen't around in the seventies . i'll bet you still live with your parents.
Volfan:
The Clinton years were prosperous, because the Reagan economic policies were sound, and were starting to kick-in during Clinton's term. In short, Clinton benefited from Reagan's economic wisdom.
FYI: Democrats are notorious for poor economic policy.
Have you been in America long?
Bones:
You tell him about Jimmy Carter; I don't want to break his heart.
TEApublicans are desperate because the KNOW they nominated a LOSER in Mitt (dog-on-the-car-roof) Romney. He lost to Kennedy, lost in 2008 to McCain and he'll lose BIG to President Obama in November.
President Clinton is a GREAT supporter for Obama and his speech at the DMC was terrific! Where is Dubya?!? As the elevator doors closed he said he supports the poster boy for the GREEDY TOP 1%. Can he NOT say that clearly to the camera?
Watch as some GOP TROLL attacks with LIES, DISTORTIONS, DEFLECTIONS and INSULTS. They do it so well!
It's remarkable, as a former Republican I am horrified at the lies which are being told by Romney & Ryan. But they are politicians so it's quite understandable. What is not however, is the fact that the evangelical community has embraced the immoral Mormon who believe that Jesus Christ is the little brother to Satan! Not the son of God, but Lucifer's little brother. If people like Pat Robertson, Rick Warren, James Dobson and Joyce Meyer can turn their backs on our Lord and Savior, then the evangelical community is filled with a bunch of heretics who will burn in the lake of fire. Blasphemous charlatans all. They need to read 2nd Peter 2:1-3
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
They need to read it over and over until they understand the depths of destruction which they bring upon the children of God.
How in God's name have evangelicals become so utterly lost that they would pray to mammon and turn their backs on the Sovereign Lord of Hosts!
I pray for the evangelical community. Accepting the leadership of people who serve Satan's filthy lucre means they now worship that which they have long professed was evil.
May God have mercy upon their poor lost souls.