Biden to press: 'Fact check me'

ZANESVILLE, OH -- The meta-fact check war rages on.

As the campaigns continued to trade salvos over the accuracy of claims made in both parties' convention speeches, Vice President Joe Biden said on Saturday that he's happy to be under the microscope of fact checkers.

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Vice President Joe Biden talks with Lisa McIntosh of Lewisburg, Ohio, as he stops for an ice cream cone Saturday at a Dairy Queen in Nelsonville, Ohio.

"I say to the press, 'Fact check me,'" the vice president declared before launching into a lengthy critique of the Republican plan for Medicare overhaul.

"What they're proposing will actually cost the Medicare trust fund that pays for the benefits when you go to the hospital, the doctor, to run out of money, a sufficient amount of money by 2016," he said. "That's when it would hit the wall."


Biden's claim echoes one made Wednesday night by former President Bill Clinton, who said that the Romney-Ryan goal of repealing the Affordable Care Act would eliminate that bill's measures to keep Medicare solvent until 2024, pushing the date when Medicare will "go broke" up by 8 years.

The non-partisan factcheck.org found that to be an exaggeration; while repeal of ACA would mean the earlier exhaustion of the part of Medicare that covers hospitals, the fund would still collect payroll taxes to cover the vast majority of hospital bills.

The Washington Post put it more bluntly: "This is wrong," it wrote on Sept. 6 of Biden's 2016 Medicare solvency claim.

On Saturday, Biden also accused Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryanof proposing to turn the federal health insurance program for seniors into "Vouchercare," saying that the Romney-Ryan plan would raise costs for seniors.

Independent fact checkers have pointed out that while Ryan's most recent budget would provide private insurance vouchers which would grow at the rate of inflation rather than at the rate of health costs, it would also keep traditional Medicare as an option for seniors who wanted it. While most agree that it's likely that seniors would have to pay more if they chose Medicare, it's hard to project how health care costs would change under a hypothetical Romney-Ryan plan.

"Today, Vice President Biden said that he should be fact-checked, and we agree," said Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg. "The vice president knowingly and deliberately leveled false and discredited attacks."

The fact check challenge comes after a Romney pollster was quoted saying that "we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers." Paul Ryan's convention speech was heavily criticized for citing several discredited claims.

Biden poked fun at that sentiment Saturday, calling it "amazing" that the Romney campaign "doesn't like to be fact checked."

Addressing the crowd of about 450 at an Ohio elementary school, Biden also needled Republicans for their impassioned support for Medicare.

"If … you got dropped down from Mars and turned on the convention, you'd think that they really cared about it. You'd think it's something they thought of," Biden said of Republicans.

“They mention it so often you'd be surprised to learn that they've always been trying to chip away [from it] for the last 40 years," he added.

Another fact check? You can't survive on Mars.

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Romoney & Lyin' Ryan sure won't tell people to fact check them! Not only do they NOT have any facts, but their specialty is LYING!

The real GOP is dead, these guys aren't Repubs.

    Reply#320 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:53 PM EDT

    True! The New Republican Party has been taken over by the Koch Brothers, the Sheldon Adelsons, the Wal-Marts, the Religious Right, and the Tea Party zealots! The New Republicans blame their own crappy newstyle governing principles and want to tear down the government they created with their own right wing heresy!

    Alternative Democratic governing principles, that give back to the Middle Class the ability to buy goods and services once again, actually work, just like the old principles of the Old Republican Party used to, but are the subject of their Tea Party derision now!

    For the sake of the Koch Brothers and Romney Bain Capitals and Wal-Mart Walton families, our manufacturing jobs have gone to China, India, Mexico, and other third world nations for the slave labor wages.

    What the Tea Party offers Americans is lower pay and benefits so we can compete with the wages of the slaves, in far away lands, while our millionaires hide the profits from the US tax man in the Caymans, Bermuda, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland, Australia, and everywhere else, instead of back into our US economy, where our money, spent by us and shipped off-shore, for cheap foreign products, does not promote jobs here in our own small towns in America!

    BUY AMERICAN CARS, NOT FOREIGN CARS IF YOU WANT MORE JOBS! VOTE FOR OBAMA! DON'T SUPPORT THE ROMNEYS, AND THE ILL-INFORMED, BEHIND THE RIGHT WING PHILOSOPHY THAT IS TEARING OUR NATION APART!

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    #320.2 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:03 PM EDT

    LMAO....thats funny stuff

      #320.3 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:08 PM EDT
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      So Biden says fact check me. Fact check does and finds him LYING through his teeth and the Dems still believe him. WOW!! Dems caused the housing mess, Dems TAX TAX TAX, then those who pay little to nothing yell make the rich pay their fair share. WOW, what a bunch of dopes! Have some pride in yourselves and stop putting your hand out for gov. cheese and WORK!

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      Reply#321 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:20 PM EDT

      Not true, but you righties will take any sound byte or published five words and twist it into a campaign speech against the Democratic Party, who saved your miserable 401k's, instead of the pension benefits we used to enjoy that Republican greed and Romney tactics stole from Americans, for the sake of the profits of millionaires!

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      #321.1 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:42 PM EDT

      oreo ... Republicans caused the National Debt crisis ... so who's MORE at fault. The last 3 Republican presidents contributed over 12 Trillion of the Nat'l Debt when you add interests to principle ... $12 Trillion, all in the name of "Trickle Down Economics" ... fools! And WELFARE you speak of, starts at the top ... Corporate Welfare ... GE reports over $5.1 billion in American profit in 2010 yet clams a federal income tax benefit of $3.2 billion ... ahahaha ... Corporate Welfare. And the richest Americans, the 1%ers, like Romney, and Romney won't show his tax returns because he knows he's skated by on taxes with his Cayman Island accounts ... GIVE ME A BREAK! WHy don't you smell what you're shoveling out to the readers here?

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      #321.2 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:45 PM EDT
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      This from a man who was laughed out of a Presidential race because he plagiarised material for his speeches......you bet they will.......in fact they already have......and he got a big ol Pinocchio nose from them

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-obamas-and-bidens-speeches-at-the-democratic-convention-in-charlotte/2012/09/07/ef79e0b6-f8a0-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_blog.html?wprss=rss_fact-checker

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      Reply#322 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:21 PM EDT

      "FACTS ... we don't need no stink'n facts!" ... ReThuglicans are so funny. They simply say something loud & often enough and believe it becomes FACTS. We're in the electronic age now, ReThugs ... you can't fart without someone recording or videoing it, so why deny everything you say. Voters are not dumb!

      Romney's pollster Neil Newhouse declared "we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers" ... hahaha ... ohhh yeah? I just can't wait until the debates, especially Biden/Ryan ... now that's going to be a HOOT! Watch Ryan start studdering again and his eyebrows go up when he lies ... so funny! "Fuzzy Math Ryan"!

      Now Mitt Romney says he likes and plans to keep some parts of "Obamacare". Did someone just hear another Romney "FLIP FLOP"? You Republicans can't possibly be proud of these losers! I just hope the Republican HOUSE trash gets voted out with these losers!

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      Reply#323 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:26 PM EDT

      Good Ole Joe!!!...Vice-President Biden.....flows like a river going into the sea:

      Romney Pollster Calls Post-Convention Poll Results a "SUGAR-HIGH"

      Maybe the Republicans need some of our "DEMOCRATIC SUGAR"

      .....................................TOO SWEET TO BEAT......................................

      .....................................................VOTE........................................................

      ..........................................OBAMA/BIDEN 2012............................................

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      Reply#324 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

      the fair Press died the last election.

        Reply#325 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:20 PM EDT
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