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As the campaigns continued to trade salvos over the accuracy of claims made in both parties' convention speeches, Vice President Joe Biden said on Saturday that he's happy to be under the microscope of fact checkers.
Carolyn Kaster / AP
Vice President Joe Biden talks with Lisa McIntosh of Lewisburg, Ohio, as he stops for an ice cream cone Saturday at a Dairy Queen in Nelsonville, Ohio.
"I say to the press, 'Fact check me,'" the vice president declared before launching into a lengthy critique of the Republican plan for Medicare overhaul.
"What they're proposing will actually cost the Medicare trust fund that pays for the benefits when you go to the hospital, the doctor, to run out of money, a sufficient amount of money by 2016," he said. "That's when it would hit the wall."
Biden's claim echoes one made Wednesday night by former President Bill Clinton, who said that the Romney-Ryan goal of repealing the Affordable Care Act would eliminate that bill's measures to keep Medicare solvent until 2024, pushing the date when Medicare will "go broke" up by 8 years.
The non-partisan factcheck.org found that to be an exaggeration; while repeal of ACA would mean the earlier exhaustion of the part of Medicare that covers hospitals, the fund would still collect payroll taxes to cover the vast majority of hospital bills.
The Washington Post put it more bluntly: "This is wrong," it wrote on Sept. 6 of Biden's 2016 Medicare solvency claim.
On Saturday, Biden also accused Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryanof proposing to turn the federal health insurance program for seniors into "Vouchercare," saying that the Romney-Ryan plan would raise costs for seniors.
Independent fact checkers have pointed out that while Ryan's most recent budget would provide private insurance vouchers which would grow at the rate of inflation rather than at the rate of health costs, it would also keep traditional Medicare as an option for seniors who wanted it. While most agree that it's likely that seniors would have to pay more if they chose Medicare, it's hard to project how health care costs would change under a hypothetical Romney-Ryan plan.
"Today, Vice President Biden said that he should be fact-checked, and we agree," said Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg. "The vice president knowingly and deliberately leveled false and discredited attacks."
The fact check challenge comes after a Romney pollster was quoted saying that "we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers." Paul Ryan's convention speech was heavily criticized for citing several discredited claims.
Biden poked fun at that sentiment Saturday, calling it "amazing" that the Romney campaign "doesn't like to be fact checked."
Addressing the crowd of about 450 at an Ohio elementary school, Biden also needled Republicans for their impassioned support for Medicare.
"If … you got dropped down from Mars and turned on the convention, you'd think that they really cared about it. You'd think it's something they thought of," Biden said of Republicans.
“They mention it so often you'd be surprised to learn that they've always been trying to chip away [from it] for the last 40 years," he added.
Another fact check? You can't survive on Mars.
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Joey,Joey,Joey!
Fact checker just gave biden a 'pants on fire', ' father truly does not respect obama, nor has his corpse ever heard of him.
What the hell does biden expect a fact check on, his man crush on obama? Did he actually say anything worth hearing? Just another angry union thug.
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The fact check has already been done Joe,Between you and that obama character there were 8 untruths.
The group FactCheck.org listed eight instances in which either Biden or Obama "spun" facts during their speeches Thursday night in Charlotte, N.C.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/08/bend-it-like-biden-obama-fact-checkers-find-exaggerations-in-conventions/#ixzz25uqm92uw
Yea but ryan had 3, well assuming you put words in his mouth and then put some spin on those words, but 3 -8, 3 is much worse.
underemployed
I just want to thank Joe Biden for his
speech at the conventionhonest stupidity. It was a real blessing to see and hear a politician whotruly cares about this country and all of its citizensdoes not try to hide his blatent idiocy. His compassion, decency and honesty comes across loud and clear. It's refreshing and heartening to know that there are still politicians who are in politics, not for personal gain, like Mitt Romney, but because they genuinely want to help build a better country and a better world. Too bad the rest of our politicians aren't more like him. Maybe Congress wouldactually pass aratify the GOP jobs bill.There, fixed.
Well id say thats a bit of a stretch, but he's still leagues ahead of obama on competence.
By golly, it does check out and it's all true! He is Joe Biden and he is an imbecile.
joe biden is a great man. the president and he have done the best job for this country than anyone in 30 years. i did not vote for them the first time but i will surely vote for them this time because they are slowly bringing our country back. no matter how much romney and ryan preach that the president and vice president have done nothing they know and we the people know that that is wrong. i have been voting for 30 years and this president truly cares about this country and her people
Good one Encie, For a moment I thought you were serious,but then no one is that gulible.
encie - back away from the kool-aide
republicans..."caught red handed":
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/002580.htm
republicans vote against everything
"You can't survive on Mars."
Bwahahaahahaahaahaa...
So you've been there, Carrie?
Bwahahahahhahahhahhaa!
Well in this case I see why Joe doesn't care if he's fact checked...just didn't realize that the press would be nit picking the facts to make it look like the dems are pulling a Paul Ryan (where NOTHING you say is truthful). What don't you understand about, if you repeal ACA which pays the bills for a longer period of time...and it runs out of money in the fund earlier-something or some percentage of these bills are not going to get paid by medicare. Yes, there will still be money coming in...it will pay part of the bills, so actually, I suppose medicare won't end . But, seniors will have to make up the difference. Then there is the Vouchers...if someone gave you a voucher 2 yrs ago that covered the cost of your insurance, and increased it by the rate of inflation ...it would not have increased at all the first year, last year it would have increased about 1.3%...your policy would have gone up (average policy) 4% each year...and those were very good years for insurance consumers, so now those people living on their social security need to pay 6.7 % to keep a policy that won't pay their bills. Like Bill Clinton said...It's math
And seniors will be making up the difference now with what obama already took from Medicare. So he has a head start on destroying it.
Was good ole boy Joe dropped on his head when he was younger?
Joe Biden has always been a clownshoe who put his mouth in gear before his brain was engaged.
How can any one doubt anything that comes from Lobotomy Biden? He's as honest as the impeached-predator and chief that spoke on Obama's behalf. And we all know ol' Bill Clinton wouldn't lie to the american people.
Awww Clint, you're just upset because Bill Clinton got caught with pants down, a cigar in his hand and somewhere else, lied to his wife, then was witch hunted by a bunch of Republican adulterers who forgot they screwed around on their own wives before they became indignant hypocrites. Gotta love the Republicans, only they can attack someone for doing the same thing they were doing. Too bad for you that Clinton can honestly say that he turned the American economy around and gave it to Bush, who then nearly drove us to the brink of depression. That lie?
Plain and simple he lied to the american people and congress. A scum bag, your hero.
It's a fact. Republiclowns can survive with their heads buried deeply up in their azzez.
Lets know when you uncork your cranium.
Uncorked. Wanna join me for a breath of fresh air? Or do you enjoy your own bouquet?
No need I am sure your stink is lovely to you clown so live in it libtard.
No question. You will find a lot more lies from Republicans than Democrats!
What planet are you from Obama's speech was panned as one huge lie.
Panned? As in panned on Fox News? Funny how nobody else watches that channel for their current events.
but the Democrats consistently lie, even when there is no reason, and they say the Republicans lie but the Democrats say they don't lie. Are they lying when they are not lying or are they still lying?
He was fact checked as a liar as are most liberals pillhead.
guess billthepill is math challenged... or uninformed. FOX ran away with the combined coverage of the 2012 RNC and DNC.... 32+M viewers...
dailycaller.com/2012/09/07/nbc-wins-last-night-of-dnc-fox-news-wins-cumulative-rnc-dnc-coverage?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Thank you Vice President Biden, I wish the fact checkers were available for all and any information being told to the American People. That used to be the job of the news media, to report facts without taking sides, and today it seems that all the news is sculpted to fit a left or right agenda. I guess that's what happens when it's more important to make the almighty buck than to preserve the truth!
VP bite me will screw up it is only a matter of time. As much as he trys he is still an idiot.
The cold hard truth is both sides stretch the truth, and sadly the main stream media just never call BS when it the Democrats doing the stretching they just take is as gospel and keep on going. You can either just keep these clowns in that really haven't kept there word or really helped or you can take a chance that the new guys will keep there word and do what they have said. Now I can not nor will I speak for anyone else. But my rule of thumb is if I hire a person or company and they a) don't preform as promised or as desired or b) lie to me or waist my funds and get caught, they get CANNED no crying no whining just gone !
Biden is such a doofus
Can good ole Joe spell F*A*C*T??? I like ole Joe...I think He wants tobe an honest Man....but when Your in bed with someone who does not know how to spell T*R*U*T*H ala Obama/Clinton....welll IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Romney/Ryan believe we older seniors are stupid and self-interested like they are. We citizens older than 55 are not ready to sell our children's retirement down the river. For some of us we have worked all our lives to give our kids a better life than what we had and now we're going to put a knife in their backs and twist it? Not this senior, my kids' reitrements will be safe with my vote for Obama/Biden.
If you vote for Obama your are an idiot Master. The Republicans didnt steal 716 Billion from Medicare and Medicaid to fund Obama care. You better wake up before its too late.
Excuse me but our retirement does not exist. Get it?
In fact Obama has bankrupted it. So it will be gone by the time your go it and children get to it.
MasterQ
What is it about 16 trillion in debt, that gets by you?
" my kids' reitrements will be safe " Indeed...
What in the world is a "reitrements"
Doe's Debbie's nose look longer, or am I seeing things?
Ah, too bad, Pigotry. You came so close to landing that zinger you've been going for, and then you had to go and spell "fetish" wrong. Ruined the whole thing for me....
While everyone was surprised when Obama made Jimmy Carter look good, no one believe for a minute that even Biden would be able to make Obama look good. Close but not quite.
I would love to see a President Romney pick Mark Levin as U.S. Attorney General.
hell yeah...instead of this lying criminal holder...
Unbelievable, with all the fact-checking going on they still lie! The Romney-Ryan Policies has no solid ground to stand on, the (Republicans) make things up as they continue to deceive the public with their negative ads and so forth being pushed on t.v.they just don't have NO real solution to the problems that "We the people" face everyday. It's even a proven fact with these comments above that the divide is so great that neighbors, family members and co-workers are now divided in this politico mess becauseof the lies being told. It's a campaign of CONFUSION.
Actually sweetheart, they do have a solution to our biggest problem, the are trying to remove obama from office, if only the dems had thought of that and had someone competent run against him, then maybe we wouldnt have to choose romney over the ineptitude.