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Subscribe to RSSRENO, Nev. – With a little more than a month to go before the vice presidential debate, Congressman Paul Ryan will endure his first full day of debate preparations Sunday, but advisers are trying to keep expectations low for the only VP debate of the cycle.
According to two campaign advisers who spoke on the condition of anonymity, Ryan will head to a remote part of Oregon Sunday -- the day before he holds two fundraisers in Portland -- with a small group of advisers and aides for the “first of many sessions” gearing up for the Oct. 11 debate with Vice President Joe Biden.
“I think what we will be doing is just working through some of the most likely topics, some likely questions and just working through answers, counterpoints to Vice President Biden’s arguments and answers,” one adviser said about the structure of Sunday, noting the VP nominee will get a short break to watch his beloved Green Bay Packers play in their season opener.
The campaign appears to be downplaying expectations of the upcoming debate for the House Budget chairman.
“Vice President Joe Biden served over 30 years in the United States Senate; he has run for president twice and has served as vice president for the past four years. He is one of the most experienced debaters in American political life and we definitely don’t take the challenge lightly,” an adviser said.
The advisers did point out, however, Ryan “knows a lot about a lot of things. It’s not so much a crash course on how to get smarter in a particular policy area as it is how to think about debating someone who is extremely experienced.”
'Running against Obama'
Debate strategy was not discussed with the press during the briefing in a Reno hotel or if there are any topics Ryan is spending more time studying than others. It was mentioned that they are focused on “running against the Obama record and we are running to advance the Romney-Ryan agenda.”
The Biden stand in – the person who will “play” the current VP – has not yet been publically announced and will not be on hand in the Beaver State this week as no mock debate will take place. Ryan did say in an interview with Fox and Friends this week, this person will be announced “shortly.”
Mitt Romney spent several days this week doing debate prep of his own in Woodstock, Vt. Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, who was once considered a frontrunner to be the Republican VP, will play President Barack Obama. Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) will play Ryan in debate preps with Biden.
Campaign aides told the Ryan traveling press corps late Friday that Ryan will “do something similar” to Romney’s debate camp and this weekend’s events lend clues to what may occur in the future now that they’ve moved into a new phase: “to focus quite intensely on debate prep.”
“Look at what we are doing Sunday,” an adviser said. “We are doing it somewhere remote, we are doing it somewhere where there aren’t distractions and that obviously is the model. Where geographically the debate camp will be, I am working on that right now.”
Debate prep day
Sunday will not mark Ryan’s first day studying for the VP debate, which will take place in Danville, Ky. The seven-term Wisconsin congressman has been going thru large white binders – “organized by issue areas” -- of policy information, research, and news of the day since the Republican National Convention ended a week ago. Ryan himself has had a very hands-on roll thus far.
“By the time he had wrapped up the convention, he was able to start absorbing a lot of those briefing books and weighing in on them. Editing them, restructuring the format along the lines that works for him,” an advisor said, shedding the first real insight into what Ryan has been doing on his campaign plane and during down time on the road.
The congressman’s debate prep day comes amidst a fundraising swing out West which precludes him from doing his typical Sunday routine of flying to his hometown of Janesville, WI, to spend time with his wife and three children. Last Sunday, when Ryan was home, advisors said he watched the 2008 vice presidential debate between Biden and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
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Hopefully, he'll work on coming up with some facts to support the whoppers he's been peddling.
Yeah - wonder if he is going to tell you a different story on his marathon speed.
He's practicing for his role as the GOP's Rottweiler.
The article stated that Ryan will head to a remote part of OR with some advisers. This is one month before the debate between he and Biden.
I guess the GNOP know that it will take them at least several weeks to get their lies together as they continue to try to distort facts.
Personally, I hope they travel to such a remote part of OR that they never find their way back.
Fact-Checkers have noticed an unusual large percentage of lies in Ryan's speeches since he was pigged as VP nominee.
wonder if it's just a coincidence or maybe Ryan is just a 'Congenital Liar'
Wonder how many lies per minute Lyin' Ryan can get off?
Lyin' Ryan's debate strategy: Lie, lie again, and lie some more. Make the lies so big no one will believe that he could say it with a straight face if it weren't true. Then depend on the "Liberal Media" to do what they've been doing the whole campaign....doing a halfazz job of debunking his lies or calling him out on any of them. Afterwards, the altar boy will go to confession where five or six priests will be taking turns in a marathon confessional. No doubt Ryan's time for that marathon will be over three hours.
Obama 2012/Romney 1040
Rottweiler? pairing up with the vulture?
or Pitbull? in case of 4 years ago's Sarah Failin'!
Wow, you got a jungle out there?
Yeah, you betcha...that's how it's like to live in the GOP world...
it's social Darwin's paradise where the strong eat the weak alive.
I could've said "rabid mongrel", but that would've been an insult to mongrels...
My guess is he is going back to his crypt until the nights get longer and the days are shorter.
Republicans prepping Ryan for a debate with VP Biden which I assume will focus on foreign policy?
Now this should be interesting. Republicans + foreign policy?
Too funny.
Down into the fetid squirrel hole goes little Eddie...
Trying to keep it short, so his a*** doesn't get totally slammed into the ground. I hope that Biden gets to wipe the floor with this arrogant pathological liar
PFFT!
From the article:
No, Ryan doesn't know a lot of things. He relies on his lizard brain for survival. That is the reason he cannot tell the truth. He says whatever he thinks is going to enhance his chances for survival.
The crash course hasn't been invented that's going to prepare him for a debate. He couldn't handle a rational fifth-grader. That's not snark. Ryan is a genuine dimwit. Worse - and this should give pause to everyone with even the thinnest moral grounding - Paul Ryan is a damned liar - A LIAR.
Have you noticed the Republicans who hang out around here?
So I presume he will use Sarah's ploy of "I don't want to answer that question, I want to talk about .... "
Yosolo,
After the raping the middle class has taken from the GOP, we've earned our hate bby. Please don't take that a way, we have not much else left.
Yeah! we are people that dislike arrogant liers that pretend to be "so caring," when in reality they are just working for their OWN SELF GREEDY INTERESTS.
Get a grip! You WON'T BE PART OF THE CLUB, EVEN IF YOU VOTE FOR THEM. IT WILL ONLY cost you!!
Wait for the RNC/Koch brothers' trolls. They're a little slow on getting to the posts, but what can you expect from minimum-wage boiler room workers that are rebounding from being fired at their last job at McDonalds. If they can shift aliases quick enough, we should expect quite a barrage of "support" for Robme/Lyin' any minute now. I wonder if the boiler room orders out to their local McDonalds for lunch? It's nice to keep in touch with your old friends, guys. Have a nice day, and don't blog too hard. It's only a few pennies per post.
Obama 2012/Romney 1040
Can't wait for the Biden gaffes. Getcha popcorn ready!
David Walker, Paul Ryan is all those things you wrote - and less.
And then there's Congressman Paul Ryan. On the plus side, he has piercing blue eyes. On the minus side, he's a heartless smirking bastard, and the only people who can stand him are heartless smirking bastards. And Mitt, you already have that vote locked up. Bill Maher.
blackcat, don't forget Sarah's famous Can I call you Joe? all because she couldn't pronounce Biden.
@yosolo - give up your one sided poutrage. How many times have we heard comments from right wing posters calling Mrs. Obama "Moochelle with a fat-assed cheese burger butt".
Good morning Pat,
Ryan's weakness is Ryan himself and Biden will exploit all of Ryan's lies, the ammunition out there is boundless. He will especially be destroyed when it comes to women's issues, medicaid and environmental concerns
It is bad enough Ryan lies all the time , but he also has to run on his Ryan plan which kills Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, gives enormous tax breaks to the rich while forcing the middle class to pay higher taxes to pay for the taxes the rich won't be paying. Then you add in taking away food support for starving children and families and reducing funding to vets benefits at the same time.....well that explains why he is hiding...he won't have to face any questions and be held responsible to the public for his destruction of the middle class plan.
Vote Obama/Biden 2012
I think one of the questions I would ask voters is which person would you buy a used car from? Lyin' Ryan, or Joe Biden. I certainly would not trust Ryan to be telling the truth.
osolo.....Your side is no slouch when it comes to slinging mud, in fact they more than lead the way. Have you yourself been deep in the Oregon woods for sometime? All you have to do is, just go back and read some of the threads from yesterday. What you're seeing now is that the Democrats are fighting back, we refuse to be bullied by those with no values and no regard for their fellow citizens. there are no fairminded individuals left in the GOP, otherwise we would not have this tolerated hatred of a duly elected President.
There is no getting around the fact that Paul Ryan is a blatant liar so much so, he has been called out by conservative media outlets. Mitt Romney is not far behind him, he has so many positions on a variety of topics, one just cant believe what he says...same for his haughty wife.
Red Dev, Good one calling her moochelle and cheese burger butt. Never heard that till now.
Intelligent, fair-minded individuals capable of rational thought, recognize the many lies that are told by Ryan, how do you prepare to debate with non truths against a man that has been speaking the plain truth for 30 years. I suspect Ryan will try to be cute with zingers directed at Biden, and Joe will just be old tell it like it is Joe, which will likely make Ryan look punky. In the end all they really ever had was tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation of everything possible, that has been debated for thirty years and has never worked to the advantage of the middle class, so good luck with that, it's old, worn out, broken policy, and a majority of the electorate will no longer buy the only thing they have to sell. They have no where to go, they can't go to the middle or republicans in Congress and the tea party will label their own candidates as RINOS. They can't talk about the progress republicans have made for the last two years because they have not done anything. How long do you have to practice saying it's all Obama's fault, because that is the only message they have, but they have no way to prove their single talking point. I would have fire extinguisher ready for when Ryan finally cries "NO MAS PANTALONES" from behind his podium.
NY Times Editorial:
But properly understood, the report should not encourage voters to support Mitt Romney. That’s because boosting tepid job growth requires stimulative fiscal policy — including spending to rehire teachers and to rebuild schools, roads and other infrastructure, as well as loan modifications for underwater homeowners. Mr. Obama has proposed all of that, while Republicans have blocked such measures and the Republican agenda rejects them.
…. Worse, the Republican agenda misdiagnoses the cause of slow job growth, blaming taxes and regulation, while championing more tax cuts for the rich and deregulation of the banks and other businesses as a cure. Those policies, however, are precisely the ones that were in place as the bubble economy of the Bush years inflated, and then crashed, with disastrous consequences. They are the problem, yet they are all that Mr. Romney and his party have to offer.
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Lest we forget, our President's recovery policies are needed because of GOP's nonsense policies, that didn't work and only further drove our great nation into the ditch.
And to think, these are the same policies Ryan and Romney desire. No wonder the president is getting such huge huge turn outs everywhere he goes. I hear FLA is overflowing with turn out today!
HUGE CROWD
https://twitter.com/metaquest/statuses/244465880900182017?tw_i=244465880900182017&tw_e=media&tw_p=tweetembed
Mark Warren (Esquire), courtesy The Obama Diary:
…. it is Biden’s most important legislative accomplishment that deserves special mention here this week, just as a campaign into which the actual words “legitimate rape” have been introduced gets underway in earnest. Because it was Crazy Joe that held the hearings, collected the data, wrote the bill, made the case, tilted hard against the Bible thumpers who said that his proposed law “promoted divorce and… hatred of men” and passed into law 1994′s Violence Against Women Act.
Ryan lied so terribly to everyone about the stimulus money he asked for . When asked afterwards if he took any, numerous times he denied it....pandering to a rt wingers face to escape the rath of the Teabagger. Knowing full well that someone would point it out to him later. How insane of a mind is that?...Boldly lie and thinks he would get away with it...It is not like he just got a few numbers wrong...he deliberately lied right to everyone's face..... He just can't be trusted....just can't.
I can’t wait to see this one. Joe is a loose cannon who comes across dumb as a box of rocks. I can see more late night tv punch lines coming courtesy Joe “efing big deal” Biden. The entertainment value alone will be worthwhile watching.
Regarding the tepid job number that came out yesterday, I wonder if Ryan is going to take some responsibilities for it as a member of the House MAJORITY.
Why all we see is GOP running away from blame due them and turning around to blame everything on the Pres?
Where are the jobs promised by the House Speaker Boner when he took over in January 2011 - I think we are all SCREWED by Boner the Speaker.
Goes to show that the right wing trolls that hang out on this site aren't incredibly clever. Apparently, the only thing they can focus on is Mrs. Obama's derriere.
Somebody cue the violins. Whatsamatter, Yo? Bummed because you're the only one who showed up for work in the boiler room this morning? I'll be nice and give you this reply so you can make an extra half-a-buck. Don't forget to respond. I'm giving you the equivalent of a hot McDonalds' apple pie for dessert.
BTW, I "love" the false outrage/downtrodden GOP approach and your appeals for humane treatment. It must be hard to keep from giggling when you type that crap considering the hate-filled cut-and-paste diatribes against the President that you normally post.
Obama 2012/Romney
Ryan does impress me he is a great talker as far as being a liar I don't know about that one, now Mitt on the other hand is a BAD Liar I can tell every time he lies he is very BAD at it, OBAMA it's hard to say he seems sincere but most Politicians lie if not all and if OBAMA is lying he's better than both, but looking at the whole group I have to go with OBAMA he seems to be the less of both evils and does not seem to be the type to throw Grandma under the bus as quickly as ROMNEY would.
Pat:
The only jobs that Mitt would create would be minimal wage jobs working in coal mines or drilling platforms. He would try to pay as less as possible -that is why he has "demonized" the unions.-
He has NEVER been interested in education, other than just firing teachers and reduce the budgets. He wants to make education a "business", just like health care and retirement.
Paul Ryan IS a hole.
Tweets from The Obama Diary:
Surrogates Admit Romney Will Cut Medicare Benefits For Current Seniors tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/surrog… via @TPM
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3 types of people to never forget: Who HELPED you in hard times, LEFT you in hard times, and who PUT YOU in hard times. #DemLandslide2012
RyRand wears a Greek Suit and his priorities are the 1% !!!!!!!!!!!
I see Ryan as a GOP cheap trick to keep the Teabaggers happy !!!!!!!!!!
Paul Ryan holes up..
Paul Ryan holes down?
Or Paul Ryan is a HOLE, himself?
according to Amy B. Portland from ME
.....
due to law of gravity, it's impossible to stay up in the hole, so, Ryan is GOING DOWN
Ryan is going to have to explain why he pledged the night Obama took office to vote against every bill that would make the president look good in the next election in 2012. Pledging to vote against any thing good to happen to America..just to make President Obama a one term president. Pledging to King Norquist over his pledge to his office. Pledging to the repub party over the constitution and people he represents...all for the greedy rich. That alone is too much to overcome. The liar should resign for being a traitor to the country.
...ah, yes, because EVERYBODY is out to get you, right?
Paranoia is unbecoming of a major political party...and at some point you guys just look like a bunch of wusses by whining about the media all the time.
"Make them stop saying the mean, nasty things about us!"...hardly a convincing campaign slogan.
Yosolo, I am an intelligent, fair-minded individual capable of rational thought, and I have been called a union thug, a union goon, a Communists, Socialist, Marxist, an idiot, libtard, retard, and all manner of silly things, I don't take it personally because most of those poster have no idea of the meaning of many of the words they use. I can be rough on political figures but I try my best to not personally insult other posters, but the truth is one side does not have a lock on hurling insults, either you are very new to this blog, or you are not trying very hard to be a fair-minded individual capable of rational thought.
Oh-Suddenly the left has grown a backbone and the right is now upset-after they gleefully destroyed the Dixie Chicks and all voices that disagreed with them in the past. Grow up up you crybabies and put your bigboy pants on!!!!!
Hey Pigotry # 1.46, Going down on what ???????????????????????
Hey Pat at #1.51:
My answer to your question....Ryan is going down...into deep sheet (sh1t) in this election.
After the election when the GOP lose with Mitt going home crying, I would say - best wishes to PBR - Pretty Boy Ryan.
Uh..I think I am in love...with PBR, of course.
Nothing like having the answers scripted for you. If he can not come up with answers on his own, no amount of prep will help him. That goes for Joe Biden too.
Obama/Biden win easy 2012~
Possibly...but you, of course, have some actual proof of this statement...don't you or is this just an opinion or projection?
Sorry, yosolo, but if those "fair-minded, intelligent individuals capable of rational thought" you speak of act in their "fair-minded, intelligent way", they will most likely severely dash all your harbored hopes.
"When you guys say factchecker...... please label it correctly. Its should say..."
"Liberal biased fact checker"
You see that is the funny thing about facts they can't be biased, people can, but not facts. When I tell you the stock markets are more than double what they were in Nov. 2008 those are the numbers, it is what it is, the numbers are not biased, when we where losing 500,000 jobs a month under republican leadership, those are the numbers plain and simple, when we are gaining 100,000 jobs a month under Obama those are the numbers, 2+2 is 4 how you going to bias that.
And Please remember to "Clean your brown nose"
Pat,
Remember your comment yesterday about Romney's -1% "bounce"? Well, unlike Romney, here's a very nice bounce for President Obama. Today's Gallup 7-day rolling average: (Last week, the approval was 44% for the President and the disapproval of the President was at 47%)
Obama Approval
Romney
45%
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Oh, and even the Republican pollster shows a turnaround from 48/44 in favor of Romney a few days ago to 46/44 for President Obama:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows President Obama attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns 44% of the vote. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
It looks like most Americans are starting to pay attention now, and that's not good news for Robme/Lyin'.
Obama 2012/Romney 1040
One Month ? ! Must be pretty dense ? Do we need a VP like this - remember - heartbeat away from a presidency ?
Remember the lyrics ...Epitaph / Greg Lake
Between the iron gates of fate
The seeds of time were sown
Watered by the deeds of those
Who know and who are known
Knowledge is a deadly friend
If no one sets the rules
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools .....
From all the Democrats who came out to throw mud at Ryan ya'll must really be skeered of what will happen in the debate. Mr. Biden is known to not have all of his ducks in a row....lol. It is comical to read the little pea brain slanderers on these vines because they have no credible things to make us beleive Obama and his buddy are worth 4 more years...lol
Amy
Paul Ryan IS a hole.
Did you forget a word?
Obama/Biden 2012
John R,
The problem quoting polls is that they do not tell you that since the 1950's a incumbent president has always lost 5% of his poll numbers because the polls only use registered party members and not independents.
For the rest of you, calling names to either the President or Romney is not the way to state your case. The bottom line is we have to ask ourselves are we better off then 4 years ago, and that answer would be a resounding NO. But then we have to ask ourselves if Romney could do any better then Obama, and that answer is "WE JUST DO NOT KNOW".
The left wants to state that 4 years is not enough time to fix what was recked under Bush, and the right answers that Reagan took as bad of a situation and fixed it in under 4 years. The problem is that Romney is no Reagan.
So it comes down to do we want four more years of the same, give Obama a chance and hope for the best, or do we decide that it is time for a change and vote in Romney? We all win if we vote, and if you do not, you then have no right to complain when you refuse to partake in voting.
Exito,
"Paul Ryan IS a hole."
Yes, and Ryan's studying for the debate probably consists of working some Vaseline in there in preparation for what Joe Biden is going to do to him. :)
Well said, yosolo!
It would be great if only educated voters showed up at the polls, regardless of where they pitch their tent.
John, I agree with what you said 100%. The country is starting to pay attention and they are scratching their heads wondering two things -
(a) why would Romney knowingly select a man as his running mate who has a history of not telling the truth, and
(b) why would Romney knowingly select a man who from day 1 decided to obstruct every policy our president put forth to help Americans during the recession.
These are not individuals who you want anywhere near the White House.
Too bad David Gregory won't ask Romney these two funademental questions tomorrow. I won't be watching MTP, I'll be watching NFL Countdown.
It's useless to assume David G. will challenge Romney. Just useless. We've given up.
And to keep things fair. If anyone thinks that Obama and Biden are not getting coached on the debate is either silly or stupid. Both sides do this so as not to get caught up in a answer they might mess up, and the other side tries to ask a question to do that exact thing.
So both sides do it, this does not effect how one side should be looked at since everything from their speech to even the cloths they wear are scripted.
Hey even if the jobs report yesterday said that only one job was created in August it would still be a vast improvement over the 500,000 or so that we were shedding before Obama got elected. Like Bill Clinton said, it is called arithmetic, look it up, it is a helpful skill.
Rumors that Ryan looks like Hitlers son, I'm so upset by this news !!!!
Ryan holes up???
It is 'legitimate rape,' according to Toddler Akin (or Todd Akin)
It's probably a good thing Ryan is a marathoner (Even if he is a four hour marathoner, not a three hour like he said). He's gonna' need to run after the debates.
Yosolo, "I realize that unfortunately not everyone is endowed with such capacity, but I have faith that enough fair-minded, intelligent individuals capable of rational thought still exist in the United States of America to make the ideals of democracy work."
Democracy sort of works, the electorate elected Obama by a landslide, but many people on the republican side still fail to acknowledge that, and treat him as some sort of interloper, a fluke, an anomaly, they don't even any longer show any respect or rationalism for the office of POTUS, and this comes right from the top from some of the highest offices in the nation held by republicans, who proudly stated their number one priority was to see him fail and make him a one term president. Does that sound fair minded and rational to you, it don't sound fair minded and rational to me. I have never heard one republican politician or poster call them out on their treasonous attitude, actions, and total neglect of their oath of office, ha but they will however tell you that Obama is the guy being divisive. I hope you achieve your goal to encourage people to empower themselves to think for themselves, I hope you start with republicans, who at the very least by their silence support the one thing that has tried to prevent democracy from working as it should - republicans who hold office.
If we are lucky the hole he's holed up in will get filled up with him in it.
joe was spot-on with this debat comment a few years ago. maybe he will have something just as truthful to say about ryan.
Joe Biden commented on Barack Obama’s experience as a Senator and his readiness to become the President. He said “I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training”. Biden was asked later if he still ‘stands by the statement’ and he said “I think that I stand by the statement.
What amazes me about yosolo, and conservatives in general, is how they can attack and play the victim at the same time. Right out of the Romney/Rove playbook.
Nope...we're kind of all stuck with the "Jerry Springer" voting bloc regardless of where they pitch their tent.
Tbenton As a matter of fact i am better off than i was 4 yrs ago. But i fear that 4yrs with romney will destroy all of the progress that i have made in the last 4yrs.
"All Ryan has to do is stick with the facts and he'll kick Bydone's ass!!!"
HA, sticking with the facts would be a new approach for them, they have not tried that yet, because they know if they stick with the facts they will be dead on arrival. The facts are the very reason they are going to lose.
yosolo...earlier, you made this unsupported statement:
And then you stated:
So...you are offering this comment as proof of the view you stated in the earlier one. I see...according to you, it obviously only applies to those who disagree with your views, i.e. Democrats.
But only as long as they're in the Republican camp, right?
Thought so...
That's nice, but who is this "Bydone" guy? Last I checked, Congressman Ryan is debating Vice President Biden.
As for the facts, will Ryan be "sticking" with the following facts?
- Voted for Bush Tax Cuts Shift in 2001, 2003 and 2010.
- Voted for military action in Afghanistan and Iraq.
- Voted for Medicare Part D
- Voted for TARP.
- Voted for $15 Billion bailout of GM and Chrysler.
- Voted against the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (the stimulus) but still lobbied to receive stimulus funds for his home district.
- Accused President Obama of "stealing" from Medicare with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 when his own proposed budget calls for cuts in Medicare benefits equal to the amount cut by the health care reform package.
- Sat on the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction committee and voted against the committee's recommendations as a member of the committee.
I did not say that Romney and Ryan said that, I said that republicans treat him as such, so nice try but you need to read more carefully. What was said by the highest republican in the senate Mitch McConnel, was that their top priority was to make sure that Obama was a one term president, also chimed in by Boehner, and Jim Demint, it is well documented, you will have no trouble finding links. No republican has ever called them out on their Waterloo strategy, and now that you mention it neither did Romney or Ryan. I will never ever vote for a republican in my lifetime for any office whatsoever because of it, I will not give any political party the green light to blackmail the American people into voting who they wish to be president, by way of neglecting their duty to serve this nation to the best of their ability. They said they would not, and they did not, and not one republican has had the decency or sense of democracy to call them on it, so I will punish all republicans for trying to punish all Americans because they were unhappy with the choice that the American electorate overwhelmingly selected as their president. Rational and fair minded people don't stand for people who blatantly and purposely try to bully them into political submission.
Tons of lies
to memorize
No hidin'
from Biden
"The America I love loves peas, but American peas. I love American peas, too, like most Americans. But the American peas I love are the same peas that America loves, and that's why I love America."
- Me, last night
Yosolo: He did not make generalizations he referred to specific actions done by Ryan specifically and other republicans as well. As someone claiming to want discussion from people fair minded, intelligent with rational thought you certainly wish to limit conversation. Your attempt to ignore Forrest's point that republican tactics to discredit Obama and block every attempt he's made to fulfill his duties was unprecedented. As I'm sure you're aware Ryan as one of those who pledged to make Obama a 1 term president and one of those most responsible for those republican tactics makes him accountable. Actions as well as words have meaning and Forrest was spot on you just refuse to see or admit it. In typical republican fashion what you can't defend or deny you simply avoid. Keep telling yourself you're intelligent and fair minded, your posts indicate other wise.
He's Catholic after all so he needs at least 29 days worth of Hail Marys to make up for all the lies he'll tell in the VP debate. It's not so much about prepping for it you know. ;)
For yosolo.....
Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration
WASHINGTON -- As President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.
The event -- which provides a telling revelation for how quickly the post-election climate soured -- serves as the prologue of Robert Draper's much-discussed and heavily-reported new book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives."
According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) -- who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz.
For several hours in the Caucus Room (a high-end D.C. establishment), the book says they plotted out ways to not just win back political power, but to also put the brakes on Obama's legislative platform.
"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," Draper quotes McCarthy as saying. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign."
The conversation got only more specific from there, Draper reports. Kyl suggested going after incoming Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner for failing to pay Social Security and Medicare taxes while at the International Monetary Fund. Gingrich noted that House Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) had a similar tax problem. McCarthy chimed in to declare "there's a web" before arguing that Republicans could put pressure on any Democrat who accepted campaign money from Rangel to give it back.
The dinner lasted nearly four hours. They parted company almost giddily. The Republicans had agreed on a way forward:
Go after Geithner. (And indeed Kyl did, the next day: ‘Would you answer my question rather than dancing around it—please?’)
Show united and unyielding opposition to the president’s economic policies. (Eight days later, Minority Whip Cantor would hold the House Republicans to a unanimous No against Obama’s economic stimulus plan.)
Begin attacking vulnerable Democrats on the airwaves. (The first National Republican Congressional Committee attack ads would run in less than two months.)
Win the spear point of the House in 2010. Jab Obama relentlessly in 2011. Win the White House and the Senate in 2012.
"You will remember this day," Draper reports Newt Gingrich as saying on the way out. "You’ll remember this as the day the seeds of 2012 were sown."
Draper's timeline is correct. On Jan. 21, 2009, Kyl aggressively questioned Geithner during his confirmation hearings. On Jan. 28, 2009, House GOP leadership held the line against the stimulus package (Senate GOP leadership would prove less successful in stopping defections).
The votes, of course, can be attributed to legitimate philosophical objection to the idea of stimulus spending as well as sincere concern that the secretary of the Treasury should personally have a clean tax-paying record. But what Draper's book makes clear is that blunt electoral-minded ambitions were the animating force.
Whether or not that's shocking depends on the degree to which one's view of politics has been jaded. What's certainly noteworthy is the timing. When Mitch McConnell said in October 2010 that his party's primary goal in the next Congress was to make Obama a one-term president, it was treated as remarkably candid and deeply cynical. Had he said it publicly in January 2009, it would likely have caused an uproar.
By extension, however, the Draper anecdote also negatively reflects on the Obama administration for failing to appreciate how quickly congressional Republicans would oppose the president's agenda.
Please note that not one, not one Republican has ever refuted this story. The actions alone of the GOP in Congress during both sessions speaks volumes, there main goal was for the President to not succeed, make the American people angry at him and then say he failed. What kind of legislator would want his country to fail, hurt its citizens, a Republican who is only interested in power but it really is treason and indefensible.
So my question is where the heck is this "remote part of Oregon"?? I live in "remote" Eastern Oregon, I wanna "bring him out". Eastern Oregon leans heavily to the Right but the left (West) part of the state leans heavily Left and that is where the population is at. So my quess is that he is in Burns Oregon a place that hasn't changed since I watched "The Day the Earth Stood Still" at the movie house. Last time I was there I swear it was still on.
Larry has mine and all of America's back, because he understands what republicans elected to serve this whole nation have done and he does not condone it.
Gonna be a tough job. Ryan has a pathological propensity that favors exaggeration and lies. His handlers best hope is to script Him towards minimal lying and "could be" exaggerations. Can they accomplish this? Anyone ever see a Chicken piss?
Paul Ryan will have his head handed to him by Joe Biden. He is just a punk that is so full of his own bullcrap it will be a slaughter he'll likely not get over.
Biden is so totally mistaken by the Right. The one thing Ryan had not better try is to get into foreign policy with a guy that likely knows more about it than any other.
I can't wait to watch Ryan get his ass kicked then claim victory.
The only truthful statement Ryan will offer at the VP debate will be his name, and even that will be fact-checked before it is taken seriously. His handlers will have a devil of a time keeping Ryan focused on at least pretending to be honest simply because he is a pathological liar and a sociopath.
"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain
yosolo... When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth, they will either cease being mistaken or cease being honest.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." Josef Goebbels
RedDevPS... "Apparently, the only thing they can focus on is Mrs. Obama's derriere." Don't forget womens vaginas. Buncha' sick puppies there.
Well said Gingerbread Mama, you go girl. It is treasonous, and a grunt in the army would be court marshaled for less, so how can it be defended or tolerated from the highest representatives of our nation. Republicans have crossed the line big time, I have respect for myself, this nation, and our democracy, so I can no longer vote republican.
I wouldn't be suprised if Ryan lies in the confessional also.
Medford.
Paul Ryan will go to the environmentally serene Medford, the only real conservative stronghold in an otherwise highly progressive state, where the KKK used to have quite a grip, where Confederate flags still wave, and where the rest of us only pass through.
Joe will make Ryan look like a "Worm" !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm... Let us not forget the famous quote: "Stupid is as stupid does."
Also, there is another famous quote, mostly from the southern states: "You cain't fix stupid."
Romney & Ryan need to wake up and realize both of those quotes could refer to them.
And don't forget this one: "Romney is like a box of chocolates you never know what you will get."
Ryan's unsightly brown nose looks like a chocolate bar I would say !!!!!
"Ryan will be in a remote part of Oregon" If I see him around here I'll take a pitcure of the boot print on his a$$ :o)
Rich 711,
"I wouldn't be suprised if Ryan lies in the confessional also."
If Ryan lies in the confessional, too, then he is guilty of a double sin: lying and making a bad confession. Which is worse? Will he ever escape from Purgatory or is that even where he is headed?
yosolo, stating a proven fact about your candidates, "They lie a lot", is not a "crude, stupid, hateful comment." It is a mere statement of truth. If you perceive it as an attack, that is because of your own judgment about the fact. A "fair minded, intelligent individual, capable of rational thought" would have read the many sources that commented on Ryan's convention speech and concluded that he lies a lot, because even conservative media could no longer defend his dishonesty, and Politifact has concluded that Mitt Romney tells the truth only 21% of the time.
Swallow and TopicNumb, my guess is he will be in Bend. Burns is too far out there and doesn't have the amenities he would expect, and Medford is not remote. Bend is remote but also a resort with the kind of accommodations he and his entourage would need.
Ryan's crew are wise to have him study the Biden/Palin debates. Palin was the GOP beauty queen with air for brains. Biden had to seriously restrain himself to gently knock her socks off without putting her on her pretty butt lest he be accused of being a bully.
Ryan is the GOP pretty boy with air for brains and will surely bring his Mommy. Ryan is likely to wear a much lighter shade of lipstick while using the same hairdresser. Poor old Joe will have to go into the ring once more with one hand tied behind his back. One solid lick would send poor little Ryan crying to his Mommy and mighty Joe would certainly be portrayed as a bully.
Sorry Joe. I'm sure you long for the good old days when the GOP sent fat old ugly men for you to gleefully knock out the park. Your reputation precedes you. Their best offer now is pretty faces with big mouths and mournful eyes eager to burst into tears. You handled the last one with unbelievable class. You can do it once more.
The funniest statement in the article was that he watched the last VP debate between Biden and Palin. Surely for the comedy, because it wasn't for substance. Palin didn't debate and she never has. You can go back and watch the "debates" between Palin and her gubernatorial opponents and see she is not smart enough to do a real debate. Those "debates" also make the case for not having too many political parties in the general election for a single seat. Palin only received 115,000 votes back then and only won because there were 5 or 6 other candidates on the general election ballot for Governor of Alaska and most of them were less conservative than she was as the Republican candidate, ensuring she got most of the conservative votes.
The fact is that Joe Biden was very constrained in the "debate" against Palin, as he is very much a gentleman and it was difficult for him to walk that line between decimating her and not putting himself in a position to be criticized for "disrespecting" the woman VP candidate, as many people seemed to think she should be treated differently than any other candidate because she was a woman. But in this debate, Joe won't have the constraints of wearing kid gloves and I fully expect him to turn on the full force of his knowledge and ability and demonstrate how little Ryan really knows about the matters of state.
We can only imagine the team in deep throws of critical preparation...
Lies... check
Red meat... check
Mirror time with that concerned eyebrow this he does... check
Reciting the magazines he will pretend to have read... check
Lipstick... check
But seriously... these guys probably don't have a clue as to how big of a mess they've made. They've painted Ryan in a corner so deep that he doesn't have a prayer in a debate.
Criticize Joe? It'll just rile Joe's base since he's so damn popular.
Repeat a lie? Biden's prepped with a tough response for each one, I'm sure.
Go on facts of performance? Better be prepared to defend the truth about your budget, your part in our credit rating loss, and your unfunded legislation sponsorship and approval during the Bush days.
He's got to spend ALL his time pressing a referendum on Obama without, somehow, bringing in his culpability... tough duty.
I really hope Ryan isn't in my hometown, Bend, OR. Makes me feel sick to my stomach. I just hope the conservatives in my beautiful state have enough sense to reject this empty suit. I'm sure they're just going to love him in Portland :)
Yeah. I was thinking Medford too.
I've never read such fear in a thread before. You can call him a liar all you want but no one holds a candle to your Big Dog - Bill Clinton. Now that man can lie. Obama can lie too but it's just cast off as inexperience.
Yeah, what kind of lies he is trying to come up this time?
Why he claimed the $716 billion was a raid on medicare while it is never a cut to senior's benefits, but just an end to corporate subsidies they don't deserve anyway. And why Ryan himself included this $716 billion cut in his own budget.
How his own Medicare plan (a voucher system) is going to hurt American Granny?
If he doesn't break out in tears after Biden 'beats him up', I guess that's all his campaign can hope for, that will be his success.....lol
The debate should really be about Defunding Medicare/Medicaid
Planning early is the key to surviving your old age with some dignity, while not becoming homeless.
The costs below should added on top of your actually retirement costs such as food and housing.
Step One:
Calculate how many years you plan on living past retirement.
For example:
Retire at Age 65
Life Expectancy: 85
Planning for: 20 years survival.
Step Two
Subtract Five Years from your 20yrs of survival = 15 yrs.
Step Three
Now calculate how much you will need to save for the 15 years to supplement the Romney/Ryan Medicare voucher program ~ $6,500/yr
$6,500 X 15 = $97,500
Allow for Inflation (let's say $10,000 over the 15 yr period)
$97,500 + $10,000 = $107,500
Step Four
Calculate the last 5 yrs of survival. These are usually the most expensive and often require nursing home or assisted living.
This range is very wide; we will calculate the maximum you will need to just be on the safe side.
Average Nursing Home Care in today's dollars is $60,000-$80,000 a year. We'll use $70,000/yr as an example.
5 yrs of survival * $70,000 = $350,000
NOTE: Medicare doesn't pay for nursing home care. Medicaid may help to pay for some care. But we can't be sure with Romney/Ryan – most likely this will be defunded as well. So you will need to come up with most of the cost out of pocket.
Step Five
Add up the totals.
$107,500 + $305,000 = $457,500
Step Six
Financing your $457,500 in cost for your care.
Option One:
Reverse mortgages may be an option to fund your costs until you need nursing home care. If you move out of your home, your family will need to sell the property to help fund the last five years of your survival.
The money plus interest paid to you before you move will be taken out of the total proceeds of the sale of your home.
Option Two
Long term health insurance. It's much cheaper to get this insurance early in life, so when you need assistance it may help to cover a large percentage of your costs. You will need to factor in the cost of the premiums.
This cost could range from $500/mo to $1,100/mo or more! But there are severe restrictions to collect if you need it and you need to be in good health when you apply.
Option Three
Go bankrupt. You cannot be forced to pay for care if you have no assets.
A word of warning though. If you "give away" any of your assets to family, they can attach the bill of your care to that gift. In other words, your family will have to come up with it or be forced to sell whatever has been given to them.
Option Four
Save Early! Get a second job with health benefits, if your health permits and work as late in your life as possible. The closer you can get to your life expectancy, the less overall it will cost.
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Note: As you age, do some estate planning with a qualified attorney to map out your best approach to pay for your care when you get older. The earlier you start the less of a financial hardship to your family.
Gee! A "crash" course in how to get "smarter" Talk about the WHOLE REPUBLICAN BASE taking that course.
90% WOULD FLUNK
There is a big question I hope somebody asks because it is a genuine conundrum for the GOP:
Governors Jindall and Scott asked the US Government for aid during the past month, something any responsible governor is expected to do when an emergency strikes. In the event that Romney/Ryan take over the White House and drastically cut back on the size of government, what is a governor to do to help their state when disaster strikes?
The wealthy will be long gone in their private jets but who is going to build up levees to protect people who cannot affard to jet out, or organize the National Guard to prevent looting, or supplement the income of people whose businesses are devastated, or look after children who are lost or instant orphans? Private industry will not step in to replace government in these circumstances.
What are you going to do President Romney after your friends have taken their tax breaks and the country has no revenue?
So, itssimple 3093757, the real Romney/Ryan plan for medicare and Medicaid is to die young. Don't enjoy what the rest of the world does. RETIREMENT.
No doubt about that, this is gonna be good. Thanks for the reminder, I need to stock up on popcorn!
And talk about mud slinging, I believe the left started that one. :)
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012-2016
ItsSimple-3093757.....assuming the costs you used are accurate, and they remain the same regardless of who pays for them, who would pay for these benefits if the individual does not? The taxpayer?
This is not meant to be controversial, just informative.
Actually Eric Cantor has put forth a plan to handle national emergencies.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/eric-cantor-no-federal-relief-for-earthquake-or-hurricane-damage-unless-its-offset-by-spending-cuts/
I doubt the cuts will be coming from defense.
Most Americas see Ryan as a Jerk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most Americans see Biden as an old coot with signs of dementia.
hi, baliman...
Biden once had some type of brain surgery and has recovered. Good luck, Joe.
....if 'dementia' is what you call someone who underwent a surgery....????
But we humans all have to go through something some time in our life, I just hope you will get your share of care when you get that. I wonder if you will expect peace and quiet, expect sensitivity to you from others.
Why doesn't PAUL RYAN just study the BIBLE he WORSHIPS at?
You know the one, the GOP BIBLE "ATLAS SHRUGGED", the Infamous piece of Right-Wing Racist Fiction, written by the Authoress AYN RAND, who is quoted as saying: the Poor are merely INSECTS and PARASITES.
Now, that's Not very Christian, now is it?
mrwarmth you are right. The tax payer, meaning you, me, and everyone else. That has ALWAYS been the case.
What if it's you that needs help? What if your house was on fire? Do we say, he should have paid for his own fire department?
That argument only works when you yourself doesn't rely on ANYTHING modern society offers.
If you want a society that only looks out for themselves. "I got mine - scr#w you!", then Vote for Romney/Ryan.
At some point people have to use a little common sense. If you are standing on a corner with a gun and someone walks up to you and says, "Give me your gun, I want to shoot your grandmother." You reply, "No way I am going to give you my gun to shoot my grandmother". The person thinks for a moment and says, "OK, you are right, give me your gun, I want to go target shooting". You say, "OK, that sounds reasonable", and give him your gun. As sure as the sun is going to rise tomorrow, he walks away with your gun thinking, I am going to use your grandmother as the target.
Pigotry: I think you are mistaken; I was just outside of Jefferson Hospital when they brought his son in.
Obama/Biden 2012
Patriotic American, I think most people feel the same about Romney. Ask Newt, the two Ricks, and Ann Coulter what they about Romney. Remember when Ann Coulter said If the R's don't get Christie and Romney is the nominee they lose? One of the only true things I think she ever said.
simple -- is it your contention that everyone should share in the prosperity whether they contribute to the prosperity or not? should we all have the same transportation option -- a government motors car? should we all live in the same kind of housing? should we stop using grades as a measure in schools?
i believe in equal opportunity -- not in equal outcome.
hey...equal opportunity billybob
as if everyone is getting equal opportunities....right! what world are you living in?
Have you noticed people have been put down for centuries, have you noticed some golden opportunities have been given to some not others...
Most people on welfare would prefer to get opportunities, instead of the paltry handouts with all the patrinizing sons of bitccches sneering at them.
Are you naive, or just stuPig? I hope it's the former.
billybob-6210632 I'm not asking to provide other people with a life of luxury.
We're talking about the SURVIVAL of other people.
Some day that person may be you. There are no guarantees in life as that last 6 years have showed us. It is time we start taking care of each other and stop taking care of corporations.
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Vote for the Society you want to live in.
Correction to #2.19
Most people on welfare would prefer to get opportunities, instead of the paltry handouts with all the patronizing sons of bitccches sneering at them.
Sorry.
If they want to give me a voucher that would be fine, as long as they cut me a check for all the medicare taxes I have paid into it my whole lifetime without ever yet having collected any benefits. You want to end medicare as we know it, then end those taxes as I have known them. They want to change the rules now, then cash all the people under 55 out, give them a full refund of the taxes they paid for over 30 years. Give the people what they paid for or give them a refund, run America as if it was a business, isn't that what republicans like to hear, well that is the standard we hold businesses to.
Once again, I love it, the outline for retirment, as above, under the Rommey plan for medicare. GOP knows that "arithmetic" as Clinton says, is some kind of science thing and they don't accept that as real. Well friend real or not take a look and tell us your plan for early death. I think I am going to open a new business for GOP people only, "Come to Us for your Final Days, we can do it in one day". No one over 67 can apply for coverage under this plan so drop in early.
1000's of JOBS HAVE BEEN LOST SINCE THE START OF 2012 DUE to the Liar in Chief and his EPA GOONS.
And this does not even take into account of all the "down-stream" jobs that will be lost due to these layoffs.
Due to increasing EPA Regulations, since the start of 2012, 2000 direct jobs have disappeared in Eastern Kentucky. Arch Coal, one of the largest coal-mining companies in the world, has had to shut down three of its four mines in the region—other companies have had layoffs. About a half a dozen mines have been permanently closed. I’ve met with the miners and talked to local officials. They are hurting. You can be sure these registered Democrats will not be voting for Obama this year.
Despite the damage their policies are doing to physical health and material wealth, the Democrats will tout “clean” energy. They will be critical of coal-fueled power plants—focusing on the barely measureable amounts of mercury that may be emitted from a stack. They won’t talk about the recent smack down the EPA received from the Washington DC District Court that determined that the EPA had overreached with its waste water discharge regulations that required water to be cleaner than Evian before it could be released into nature. There will not be any concern for the lost jobs in Eastern Kentucky—or the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost in the Gulf of Mexico because Obama’s policies chased the oil and gas industry to foreign shores. There will be no mention of the extreme health impacts of unemployment.
Earlier this year, the Minority Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety, under the leadership of Ranking Member, Senator John Barrasso, MD, released a report titled Red Tape Making Americans Sick that brought together decades of research which points to increased “likelihood of hospital visits, illnesses and premature deaths in communities due to joblessness.” The report states: “an estimated 11.5 million Americans are projected to lose their jobs as a direct result of several proposed EPA rules.”
Columbus, Ohio -- The latest casualties of Sherrod Brown and Barack Obama’s war on coal are 239 coal jobs in Eastern Ohio. Yesterday, OhioAmerican Energy Inc. announced the elimination of hundreds of jobs at its operation in Jefferson County
Ha too funny, the clean air and clean water for your children and grandchildren "EPA goons".
Ryan comes to Joe to Roost Ayn Rand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The right wing lunatic fringe appears to be especially delusional today. How about a little reality check to rouse them from their insane fantasies?
Rasmussen; Obama 46, Romney 44 = Obama +2
Gallup; Obama 49, Romney 45 = Obama +4
Democracy Corps; Obama 49, Romney 47 = Obama +2
CBS News; Obama 46, Romney 45 = Obama +1
Sailcat, I believe those are national poll numbers, take a look at the swing states Romney needs for electoral votes, and it gets much worse for Romney.
Good point, Mr. Grump! Here are two swing states that have swung over to President Obama:
Michigan; Obama +2.4
Colorado; Obama +2.3
Ohio, Iowa, Florida, and Pennsylvania also are in the Blue and the margin is growing with every asinine comment or outright lie the GOP's favorite losers utter!
With those EYES of EVIL people will realize the is really the anti-C.
Ha ha ha, when you have to rehearse questions and answers about something you've been working at for years,you probably dont know what your doing.Does he have a GED.
It would have been nice if the "absorbing" could have started BEFORE HE OPENED HIS BIG FOUL MOUTH.
Looking forward to see this "Golden" (rolling eyes) "boy" making a atotal F***up of himself!!!!
I wonder where all those righty posters who were getting a chubby at the notion of Ryan debating the "gaffe machine" Biden are hiding?
Don:
Do You?---GED?
Rehearse?---Both Democrat and Republican Parties always practice using their faux opponents in Trial Debates before the "Real One".
I'm being nice to you. The statements made were those of a very uniformed person on Politics, and how Nominated Presidential/potential VP's Candidates prepare for the "Real Thing".
Do you or did you study before a Class in an Education School?--
If not, the teacher, Professor would most likely give an "F" for the class for no knowledge about a subject..
Ryan has a full weekend,
debating camp and fundraisers.! LOL
He better also refresh his memory on all the things he said and votes he made in the last fourteen years. In a debate you have nowhere to hide.
Just look stupid and try not to answer the questions, like Palin.
When Ryan is home he plays with his Pigs in the back yard, Paul put your boots on !!!!!!!!!!!
Wow are you libs that stupid you don't think YOUR side preps for a debate? lmao!
And Obama won't have the ol' teleprompter to tell him what to say. I expect I'll be hearing a lot of "Uhmmm...ahhh...duh..." out of his mouth!
Its simple,
You might wish to actually get your facts from the people rather then from a liberal web site. The truth is that under the Ryan Budget Medicare would not have been touched for one Baby Boomer.
You have nice figures and numbers, but where are your sources? Or do you go by what the Huffington Post states and go by that.
Some of you people are no better then the right taking screwed figures and quoting them as fact without any truth to them. Get the facts straight and them comment.
Ok so what about the rest of us? We have paid in, I don't want a voucher either.
You know that as soon as the Republicans throw the under 55 people under the bus, it will only be a matter of time before they throw the over 55 under. They will do it in the name of "reform" and "fairness."
Oxymorons: "Jumbo" shrimp, "Light" beer, "Soft" rock, Military intellegence, Women's "rights," "Clean" coal, "Higher" education and Romney's "compassion."
Sheryl says: "I believe the left started that one" If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.
Ryan Vouchercare is Cleansing Seniors !!!!!!!!!!!!
JustforStarters - it must really infuriate you when you realize that ALL Presidents in modern time have used teleprompters - even your dear Regan. And, Romney and Ryan have used the - though not very well - at their events.
Now, do you feel as stupid as you look? You really should!
Obama/Biden 2012
TBenton, you are pretty naive to believe the talking point. The reality is much different if you have any experience with Medicare or any insurance company and you would know what it is like to work through these people as a retiree. It is much different than you might believe up till the day you start working with the programs. Simple things like changing the amount the government will pay can have a huge impact on the cost out of pocket not covered by medicare or insurance. Good luck if you believe there won't be any impact on those programs for people currently drawing benefits. But then all I see in most of these posts is very superficial, not looking one tiny bit below the talking point. Kind of like saying you read the book after reading the title and not opening the first page.
Ryan's not holed up prepping for the debate. The GOP is hiding him from the press for fear that fear that he'll make Sarah Palin look smart in comparison.
Swallow-2813582, The Ryan plan's best argument is that seniors will be offered vouchers versus Medicare. The healthiest of the wealthiest will always choose vouchers. They already have private Cadillac healthcare plans and snub their noses at Medicare. They will eagerly snatch up every voucher available to be funded by raiding Medicare.
The seniors that truly need Medicare are those in poor health and unable to purchase private healthcare, even if they could afford it. Vouchers are useless to them. The results would be exploding costs to Medicare(due to the raiding vouchers by the wealthy) that would quickly and truly make Medicare unsustainable.
The death knell to Medicare, as evidenced in Public Education today, is vouchers. It is not a design flaw in the Republican plan, it is the primary goal. Only the wealthy and elite deserve even elementary healthcare and education. The middle class will become obsolete. The working class will then gladly put in sixteen hour days to provide rudimentary healthcare and minimum education for their children that will never allow them advancement above the working class. The perfect return to slavery and a ruling class.
Only a fool would fail to see through this deviousness. Only a fool would believe that acquiescence to such a plan would place one in any special favor. Once the deed is done, the fool will walk the same cold floors as the rest of us. Their best hope will then be a quick and merciful thrust of the same dagger they used to stab the rest of us in the back.
ryan/romney are theives, liars and crooks. their math doesn't add up to any advantage for 99% of the American People.
romneyhood will die... as so it should
Obama/Biden 2012
It's a mistake to make light of Ryan's lies. He is a coldblooded liar with absolutely zero conscience about it. But because of his youth and good looks, and early loss of his father, the sheeple are fawning over him and he knows it. He will lie very convincingly in the VP debates, and will sway many foolish people to his side. Ryan is way, way more dangerous than Palin!
That might be true, Lynda, except he is slowing morphing into a national joke. When that happens, he will become so diminished that he will have trouble winning re election to the seat he currently holds, much less VP.
He is cut from the same cloth as Cheney-and oddly enough,Romney is all too similar to Bush.Why are people once again supporting such a ticket?Did they not learn their lesson when they gave Bush/Cheney 4 more years?Did they think the mess those 2 created and promoted for 8 years would be cleaned up and resolved in 4?And that it would be easy?
Lynda, you're right on all accounts.
But fear not -- even in a remote location in Oregon -- Ryan will still be able to craft new ways to repudiate the worth of women and how he can work, in back-handed and smarmy ways, to take away their access to health care. And for Ryan, that's the Christian thing to do.
It's a BIGGER mistake to make light of Obama's lies...I don't know about the rest of you -- maybe your employer pays your health insurance but OUR health care premium have risen 52% since the passing and in preparation of OBAMACARE. Congress names the act AFFORDABLE CARE" Well, those of you on the Obama band wagon that haven't seen the light are in for a rude awakening...that act is anything BUT affordable. SOMEBODY is paying for all this insurance - the insurance companies aren't just going to GIVE all the care out out of the goodness of their hearts. That somebody is anybody that has insurance...AND the insuance companies AND AARP are making a bundle! Last year my premium (just for me) was $14000 -- the insurance company only paid out $3800 -- That's a nice mark up!
I've been preparing to lose my job -- my company hasn't been doing well they certainly can't afford the insurance premiums, but I was pretty confident I'd be OK -- I could make it through a year. I even budgeted $500 a month for health insurance. That's not going to be enough -- it's going to be more like $1400 a month...THAT will wipe me out and that is ALL because of this AFFORDABLE CARE ACT"
People ought to stop listening to the hype the politicians put out and start doing their own research...
If DAFFY DUCK were running against Obama we'd be better off voting for him - someone NEEDS to do something about this AFFORDABLE health care act -- it's anything but affordable -- they NEVER even mentioned a thing about actually controlling the COST anywhere within the bill! It amazes me that they had the nerve to label it "affordable."
With all that said -- the AFFORDABLE Healthcare act is/was Obama's signature piece of legislation -- it's THE ONLY thing he got done in 4 years and it's probably the worst thing he could have done to this country -- he needs to GO! HE SHOULD HAVE READ THE BILL BEFORE SIGNING IT! Romney's my ONLY hope of actually being able to AFFORD insurance.
Here is my answer my2fish, poor memory, and lies, the unamerican right will even blame Bill Clinton to get out of taking responsibility for the worst administration since Ronald Reagan.
You are spot on with that one Karen.
Better get used to it, Obama is going to win this election. Nobody is running against him.
I'm very sorry to say this but I think Paul Ryan is a "DIRTBAG"
This dude was hiding under a "ROCK" until RobMoney pick him as VP !!!
Kilroy I agree Obama will win, republicans have no real enthusiasm for Romney, he does not fit their mold in many ways, he was just the last homely girl left standing there before the republican dance ending. What they have is hate for Obama, and that won't be enough to get Romney to the 270 electoral votes needed, because those people are already concentrated in the republican base, and there are not enough of them in the states Romney needs.
Somehow I'm not amazed at the 'educated' libturds making all the ignorant comments about Ryan and yet still blindly worshipping Obama/Biden.
I guess in libland, Obama/Biden have been absolutely flawless! hahahahahaha!
LyndaAZ Ryan is way, way more dangerous than Palin!
Palin was funny! ☺
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Nobody is flawless, but Romney and Ryan both are absolutely damaged goods. Republicans had to pull Romney out of the dented can basket, as they already turned him away before as their candidate in favor of McCain. So what is better about him now?
I guess in libland, Obama/Biden have been absolutely flawless!
This simply illustrates the difference between Democrats and the GOP/TP. Democrats overwhelmingly like and support their candidate and if policy differences arise, we use other venues to work through those issues. On the other hand the GOP/TP folks detest their candidate and have no where to vent that frustration, so they come here with cheap one-liners and spew their hate and vitriol against Obama/Biden vs. attacking the candidate they truly dislike. Basic psychology really, like the old story of dear old Dad coming home and kicking the @!$%# out of the dog, the wife, the kids, all because he hates his job, his boss, and the commute.
rad --"all these insurance companies charging these horrendous rates are Republican"
this is likely the most asinine comment in this whole string where most allege that only republicans tell lies.
as hyper-partisan as most of those on the left seem to be i cannot imagine how they can simply not see that obama is just a politician looking our for himself and no one else.
karen,
Your post is a little confusing.
You have your own private insurance, not through your employer and your preminum is $1,400. per month for this year, but you had hoped to find insurance for $500.00 per month for single coverage?
Starting in 2013, you can go to the exchanges to see what the different insurance companies are charging for coverage in your state and the various level of coverage. Also there will be no denial for any preexisting conditions for adult in 2013.
I do know that some states are dragging their feet about setting up exchanges, so I would call your State Commissioner of Insurance and get the facts for your state.
If I have missed something, let me know. But $16,800 for single coverage for a year is terrible. I would find a new insurance company.
I have no idea why anyone would think Ryan is attractive. He has a very big ugly nose. Nothing is attractive about a right wing bazooka against solutions for the country and against the elderly to have Medicare. But mainly the GOP stands only for the one percent and not for anyone else. Signing that Grover Norquist pledge is anti-American and the GOP has been anti-American about fairly increasing revenue to any cuts of anything. They just want cuts to the poor and cuts to the disabled. Never any revenue from the millionaires and billionaires who have been so fortunate with tax cut after tax cut.
Forrest,
I agree, end SS, Medicare and return my money that I have paid in, with interest. I have no problem with that, but please do something.
We should just properly fund those programs Thetotas, we always find or borrow the money for wars and weapons, and trillions in tax cuts for the extremely wealthy, we can find the money to honor the agreement we made to millions of elderly or soon to be elderly citizens, you held up your end of the bargain, our government should hold up their end.
JustForStarters... "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." Socrates
"When a person decieves himself the chances are against his being able to decieve other people." Mark Twain
JustforStarters - wow! You must be sooooo proud that you've shown what a no-class buffoon you are - and you represent the Republican party!
Karen, I don't know where in the world you are getting insurance from but you are clearly getting ripped off royally. I can get private insurance for less than $500 per month - and that's with a $1000 deductible. You need to talk to someone who is clearly more knowledgeable than you to find coverage!
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One month to prepare for Joe Biden? Paul Ryan will need much longer...
Put down your crack pipe Buffy !!!
Bidden will make another stupid remark that he is so famous for. I personally can not wait to watch Bidden get taken apart.
I doubt that, Ryan ran away from his own town hall meeting because he could not even take the heat from questions brought to him by a bunch of old women with canes and walkers.
No kidding Forrest - Ryan has shown on several occasions he cannot field questions from his constituents. How on earth are we to believe he can handle the heady, in-depth questions from a debate moderator. I think the only thing Ryan has going for him is that the bar is so incredibly low, that simple yes or no responses will surprise and fool us into thinking he did somewhat OK.
Training should start with difference between truth and lies. Ryan obviously must have missed that somewhere along the way.
Forrest & RedDev - Ryan is probably drinking heavily and asking himself "what did I get myself into????"
Biden will wipe the floor with him!
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Will any of Congressman Ryan's debate prep be used to remind him of his own record and voting history?
That's why he has so many binders - one set for what he actually said and how he voted, another for his revisionist views and rationalizations of the votes, and two more for all the Romney versions of his changing positions on every issue under the sun.
I live in Oregon. Why do we have to harbor this pathological liar?
I did not see it in the article. He he planning on staying in shape by running another marathon? It seems to me (and this is not a comment on parties) that if he is willing to make up something to grossly up his speed in a marathon where no one knows and no one cares that he might be willing to go to greater lengths if there was something in it for him. I certainly understand exaggeration. I have never seen a live rattlesnake less than 6' long. I have seen a lot of dead ones under two feet long. At least they were both rattlesnakes.
Ryan might have to scribble some notes on his palm like Sarah Palin
What a sorry event for the Republicans that debate will be. Paul Ryan's ego has been "inflated" by the IGNORANT Republicans. They consider him a "genius" when in reality his dumb plan DOES NOT HAVE ARITHMETIC...
Only people that can't make basic math would think that he is a "genius"
Pfft!!!
Maybe, but I've never seen an ego bigger than Obama's!
You can't see a persons ego. But I will tell you when republicans attribute everything bad that has been accumulating for years instantly to a single person, I can see where that could possibly affect a persons ego. Nobody elevates Obama to a god like status more then republicans themselves they act like he is personally responsible for every twist and turn of the nations fate. They treat him like he is a God and master of the their universe, an evil master of their universe albeit, but master of their universe all the same. You know that could give a guy a big ego boost.
I dont mind Joe's gaffes because you need to look at what a person is actually trying to say-he is a very entertaining speaker. The true meaning is what is important. It is also what is so disturbing about the GOP.
Fact check, there is more than one liar here, quit being so narrow minded.
Forrest,
Can you honestly tell me that Obama has went out of his way to work with republicans? It seems that after the grand bargain broke down , and Obama went on the air and reamed them, it all stopped. When I say it stopped, I saying it was on both sides. Sorry, but a true leader would have gone back. Forget about ego, someone had to be the adult and Obama just didn't have it in him. There is plenty blame to go around, but to think that one side was worse is beyond me.
We have the progressives and conservatives fighting for the office, and anyone in the middle will be screwed, once again.
No matter who wins, this country and everything it stands for, will take on a very different appearance in four years.
thetotas... "Obama has went out of his way to work with republicans?" Out of his way? He bent over backward for them only to be told "NO!" on everthing he put in front of them. Try to keep up, okay? And paying closer attention wouldn't hurt, either.
BTW, I don't know where you went to school but, if I were you, I'd ask for my money back. English spoken here.
No Thetotas he tried on many occasions to work with republicans, they decided to submarine him right from the start they publicly stated their intentions of not cooperating at all, that is a well documented fact. Obama still tried to work with them but they are so obstinate that they even turned their backs on their own ideas and previous proposals when he offered to implement them. They simply wanted to deny the president of any success whatsoever when they could, take a look at the republican filibusters and the outrageous number of times they have used it, seriously they numbers are off the chart with regards to the entire rest of the history of Congress. In the end republicans were so focused on trying to make sure the president did not have any success that they denied themselves any success as well, and that will be no small part of the reason Romney will lose to Obama. They went way beyond politics Thetotas, way beyond, and it was not because the president was not willing to compromise. You don't have to take my word for it, they said right from the start what they were going to do, and that is what they did, it's disgusting, and if people do not punish them with their votes if it is allowed to stand, then you can only expect more of it. What if Romney wins and the democrats proudly announce that their top priority is to just make sure he is a one term president, could you defend that, should I defend that if the shoe was on the other foot, I can't, and I would not.
thetotas - your memory is clearly very short. President Obama went out of his way a lot to work with the treasonous Republicans. He had them to the White House for lunch; met with them on several occasions. Of course he had no idea they had pledge to obstruct him at every turn - no matter what it did to the country.
I'm stunned that you approve of the behavior of the Republicans in Congress.
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perhaps this is a job for Bigfoot. I live in Washington state and lyin ryan will be much too close for comfort.
No doubt Eddie Munster has to prepare for Uncle Joe--this will probably be the best debate of the whole campaign. Willard and his team probably will have it a bit easier vs. the President
AW - in your dreams. Mitt doesn't stand a chance against President Obama. Be prepared for several of Mitt's "deer in the headlights" moments!
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Only a pathological liar needs months of prep to sound convincing. Wonder what acting coach took on the job...
Ryan's greatest potential weakness as a debater is his ideological bias. He gets the same angry look on his face as we've seen before from other Republican ideologues (Condoleezza Rice comes immediately to mind) when asked a question he doesn't like: i.e., one that falls outside his mindset. I'm reminded of a saying of Confucius: "He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions."
Ryan the little catholic boy....I would love to see an old nun sitting next to him holding a ruler with the metal edging on it. Let's see him try and lie in front of the ninja nun!
Starsailing... I thought this was the weekend for your head transplant !
Starsailing - great comment - Reminds me of a song my cousin sang "Run, run, run, I think I hear a nun in the cellars of old — — High.
starsailing.. try ignoring the "clever" remarks by baliman. In other words; don't wrestle with pigs. Everybody gets dirty and the pig loves it.
Oregon is NOT the place where you lie about your marathon times. The Liar isn't welcome here. Why doesn't he find a remote place in the Cayman Islands.
Well, since you all have him all firgured out, we can hold the election right now. I am sure that you all are very happy with the debt, unemployment, no budget, gas prices, home values and just the over all joy that you all have over sticking it to the rich! Oh yea, you don't have a job and your friends don't have a job.
Morons, the truth is that it is the democrats that are lying to you. When the Dems have COMPLETE CONTROL, you cannot blame the republicans, SIMPLE. They could not block ANYTHING! You can spew all day long that they could TRY this or that but they could do NOTHING to stop the dems.
What you see is what you get. The colleges have taught you to HATE freedom and the American way because you can actually succeed if you want to. Be what ever you want but drop the envy of those that have worked hard to get ahead.
I know that you, the dems, don't like capitalism but socialism does not work because of human nature and past experiences.
Capitalism is seen as failing because of all the SOCIALISM program being introduced that sucks the resources from the capitalist system.
Republicans aren't the liars, it is just that you Dems REFUSE to see the truth and have no problems with lying to further your agenda.
Pretty sad to have the golden ring and spit on it. American Freedom charishes the ring as a symbol of what can be achieved.
Now really, who is the Moron? Perhaps you should return to college and retake that supposed Hate Freedom 101 class you fondly describe. While you are at it, you may want to brush up on political philosophy to learn the difference between Capitalism, Socialism, and all the other -isms out there.
2inspire2 - you clearly don't have a clue. The Republicans could and did block everything this President has tried to do. They filibustered any bill he proposed more than any congress in the history of the country. They have been treasonous.
Your stupidity is over the top. I know of no Democrat who has a problem with capitalism. Most of us work and are involved in capitalism every day. Perhaps you should stop listening to the brainwashing of the far right. The "socialism" you spout so freely just shows how ignorant and desperate you truly are.
Oh, and if Jesus were around today - the right wingers would label him a socialist - you betcha!
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Willie... Please don't wish him on the Caymans. They really don't deserve that. Seriously.
2inspire2... "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." Albert Einstein Don't be calling people you don't know or have never met "morons."
"A man who does not think for himself does not think at all." - Oscar Wilde
He is douche bag...Probably one of the Koch Brothers will be there to go over their wishes with him...I am sure it wont be forcible rape as he takes the Koch kock..
And of course George Soros will be there with his degenerate and racist agenda.
Chas, I don't know why you think Soros would be at Ryan's debate prep but you might want to do an internet search on his background.
George Soros is of Hungarian descent and generally regarded as the biggest philanthropist in the world. The "racist" epithet you assign to him belies the fact that he has lifted many eastern european kids out of poverty and educated them through his uiniversities.
Chas: I am sure you are the last person who would want to libel George Soros without checking your facts so I did a little homework for you. Why not send him a quick e-mail and apologize.
"Between 1979 and 2011, Soros gave away over $8 billion to human rights, public health, and education causes. He played a significant role in the peaceful transition from communism to capitalism in Hungary (1984–89),[7] and provided Europe's largest higher education endowment to Central European University in Budapest.[9] Soros is also the chairman of the Open Society Institute."
Apparently, the only thing they can focus on is Mrs. Obama's derriere.
That's the only thing outstanding about her....drum roll....lol
Dave - your jealousy is showing. Our First Lady is classy; beautiful; intelligent; elegant; and clearly the type woman who would never even look in your direction.
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Seeking Sanity... LOL! Good one. Hey, Dave. you would want try matching wits with her on any kind of intellectual level. She'd chew you up and spit you out. You couldn't carry her shoes, dude.
This will be fun to watch. Ryan will dismantle Biden, who is the intellect of the Democratic party.
Chas.... I believe that you have the roles reversed? The age, wit and wisdom of Biden should bury Ryan, and he knows it, that's why he is spending a lot of time getting schooled. The guy (Ryan) is a BS specialist, but that's all he is. Even looks a little "geeky" to me.
I LIKE Biden, but agree he may occasionally get "foot in mouth" disease. However, he is a genuine person without a lying bone in his body. Hopefully, next to "lying Ryan" folks will appreciate that.
Your "golden boy"is nothing but an arrogant puppet of Big Oil. He refuses to consider cutting their subsidies. Guess what? In return for the "favors"of not cutting the multi-million subsidies, the Koch Brothers gave him and his boss $400 million for their asinine Campaign.
Keep believing. Your money will be used to make them richer, while you will have to go bankrupt when you are old, and without any Social Security and Medicaid.
ChasSD. Ryan couldn't dismantle Biden with an axe! If you take Old Uncle Joe as a bumpkin you do so at your own peril.. His wealth of REAL experience will cut little Paulie to shreds.
Irespond, The single biggest donor to the Obama campaign is Goldman Sachs in both 2008 and 2012. Why is that? Just like Ryan they are ALL getting dirty money. To think it's only one side getting the bucks from big business is pathetically stupid.
Be careful not to choke when Ryan gets slaughtered big time by Biden
And yet Goldman Sachs and others are not looking to destroy the environment!
Obama can't win either way. The Republicans either say that he is ANTI-BUSINESS, OR HE is in bed with big business.
So. what is it????
Irespond, Nice response!!!!!! Glad to see you could tackle that oh so difficult question. You are an intellectual superior person. Keep up the cause..... Fool.
This race is starting to remind me of the last govenor's race in Ca. What's her name? That rich lady who had all that money. The reason she lost is because no one could relate to her. It does not matter how much money you have if your candidate is truly not one of the people, but tries to act like it. It comes across as phony and people just don't like that. that doesn't mean you have to be poor to win you can be rich, but you do have to be real.
The question was aimed at you, and you did not answer. You don't qualify even for a "fool" You go lower.
True Patriot - the person here who looks the fool - and has proved that in this case looks are right - is you!
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Just a thought. While Romney and "lying Ryan" are "preparing" their lies (oh, oops "debate points") for the debate, Obama and Biden are running the country. Romney, having already stolen his wealth from the rest of us through illegal tax breaks, may not now be directly on the taxpayer dime, but Ryan certainly is. Is he returning his pay for this time off? Congress is in session most of the middle of this month; and, most of the remaining time is supposed to be for "district work days." Last I looked Ryan's district is NOT in Oregon!
Did Obama return his salary when he was running for the 2008 election. Remember, he was a senator at that time. Expectations should be the same for EVERYONE.
".... for the debate, Obama and Biden are running the country."
YEAH...RIGHT INTO THE GROUND !!
Obama didn't "hole up" for a MONTH to "prepare" for the debates. And, Baliman do you remember where the stock market was when Obama was sworn in? 8,200 and change, in case your memory is faulty. Do you recall that the Republicans just wanted to let the auto industry in this country DIE? Did you notice it hasn't? Do you recall that Bush spent close to 8 years looking for Bin Ladin? Oh, yeah, BL is now dead. Bin Ladin died, the auto industry didn't. Learn to LIVE with that even if the person who orchestrated all of these positive changes this does not have the same color skin that you do!!!
wants to know The muslims are saying that Bin Laden died in yemen in 2002 in a hospital of lung complications. Bush did not look for Bin Laden for 8 yrs he said he did not care where Bin Laden was. I suspect that he said that because he already knew that Bin Laden was dead.
ted patrick - so you accuse our Navy Seals - as well as several prominent Republicans in Congress of lying? My guess is - no actually I know - the liar here is you.
Crawl back under your rock. You're beginning to shed your skin!
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Thank goodness! As an Oregonian, I do NOT want him representing me!
Debating an incumbent President and Vice President is
tricky. It will be necessary to make note of the falsehoods the President and
his team have been spreading, but at the same time show some respect for the
President. That alone will require restraint and preparation.
Falsehoods like: the President’s plan will cut the deficit
by $4 trillion, GM is the #1 automaker, Romney’s plan raises taxes on the
middle class and guts Medicare, and many others.
The chosen moderators lean more left than middle, Romney and
Ryan have the odds stacked against them from the gitgo.
That's funny...Michelle Malkin basically claimed the same thing a couple of weeks ago when the debate schedule and moderators were announced...that it's a "rigged game" against Republicans.
If Mr. Romney and Congressman Ryan can't handle it there's still time for them to quit.
Candice,
So lets attack the questioners? LOL
The moderators are good at asking follow up questions and keeping on the topic under consideration. They have years of good interviewing skills.
Much better than the moderators at those primary debates....
Candice,
The plan to reduce the deficit by (4) trillion was the work of "the gang of six", made up of three Republicans,and three democrates. The plan suggested many types of cuts and re-structuring,including entitlements. Many Republicans and Democrates were on board,including Obama,but full co-operation could not be reached so it died. Look it up Candice.
Surfin,
Factcheck.org
Obama exaggerated when he claimed “independent experts” say his deficit-reduction plan would reduce the federal deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years. Actually, one independent analysis criticized a central part of the president’s plan as a “gimmick.”
In September of last year, Obama released “The President’s Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction.” The plan purports to generate $4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years — including “more than $1 trillion in savings over the next 10 years from our drawdowns in Afghanistan and Iraq.”
In February, when Obama released his fiscal year 2013 budget, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget criticized the president’s plan for relying on savings from winding down the two wars. Maya MacGuineas, president of the bipartisan group, called it a “gimmick.”
As far as the moderators, yea they will be good at asking questions, but begin fair, is questionable.
Nice try. Fail.
So the varmet is going to hole up in Or, sorry to all you in the area, if you start to see strange clouds or accumulations of gasses anywhere around evacuate immediately, there could be a explosion from all the emissions of BS coming out of his mouth.
lyin Ryan the Ann Rand devote! Idiot so what's your voting record?
Candice- Oh yeah false hoods said by whom? LOL They want to make medicare a voucher program, read the Ryan plan! You must be scared, after the dismal hate and fear RNC show!
From the posts, it will be all Biden, but I will take and stick with Ryan.
Norm... Then, please, stick him where the Sun doesn't shine. As a life-long Wisconsin resident (72yrs) I can tell you that there are only two things I don't like about Paul Ryan; his face.
He should be able to hold his own against Biden if he keeps his comments, remarks and opinions short and curt. But I'll probably miss this debate and wait for the big boys as I don't think much of these two and doubt Biden has been listened to by Obama much really and Ryan's overhual plan of Medicare isn't a favorite topic either....
Mitt your lying, lies,Lies of the GOP & Paul Ryan TeaWackers, Mitt R. Bain, Citizens United and all the Alec corps : that pays off the RepublicanPUKES Politicians. Its all about the Wealthy getting richer and the middle class getting poorer.....They don't want to help the poor...Who are the one's that leach off the taxpayer. The Wealthy: they get welfare both for themselves an for the Corps. ...But it seems that the Wealthy get away with it ..They steal billions and the few poor steals a few thousands. So what does the GOP want, is Screw the MIddle Class to get even with the few. As I say its the me me me and F everyone else.... The failures of the Republicans party trying to take away SS & Medicare & Health care for Woman so they can give their wealthy Blackmailers more money...To hell with the Poor and Needy. Let them freeze in the winter and stave the Old and Babies,let them die from bad water, do away with the EPA and thats what you'll have, just like all you Tea baggers want...You make me sick with your Me Me Me altitude. Greedy and you all call yourself a REAL Christians, Mormans. What a laugh: Wake up...Sounds like Mitt!!!!!!Fuss up your tax Return: Stop your lieing RYAN:
And Obama only tells the truth???? Maze, you are model lemming.....
Why thank you May the winds blow up your A*S: ...Can you say BAH!BAH Stop your lieing Ryan...Hey Mitt fuss up your tax returns! Obama/Biden2012
Why should he? Obama can't even fess up something so small as his school records and requests for financial aid. Talk about a small little bit of info.... Go walk off the cliff with your blind lemming friends and see where it leads.
Bah! Bah! Bah!..Worthless talking points from a Teawacker... Get over it your man lost!
None of these sellouts are my 'man'. They are all part of the same machine that leads fools like you to blindly follow them while they steal everything you have and make a slave of you in the process. Now go find you cliff little lemming....
What did Oregon do to deserve this posing, woman-hating, creepy little chickenhawk Lyin' Ryan?
Melissa, What??? Stay focused here....
True Patriot - when we go back and get all the school records of all past Presidents, plus their birth certificates - plus all those for Romney too, then President Obama should certainly show his - but only then.
See the STANDARD has been for every Presidential candidate in our lifetime to show at least 5 years of tax returns - Mitts father showed 12 saying a year or two could be a fluke and any man should be able to show more. President Obama has shown all returns since 2000. What is Mitt hiding????
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Portland is solid Blue country, deal with it.
Agreed, Mike. Seems like an odd choice.
This should be a good debate. Ryan is a smart guy and Biden is, well, a dim bulb............
I am guessing you didn't listen to any of the news that fact checked Ryan speech and most of it was lies, lies and more lies.
I would call a dim bulb someone who is willing to vote for a republican to give tax cuts to the rich while increasing taxes on yourself. Then republicans want all of us to think they are so smart by returning to the bush policies that brought America to her knees.
What a joke, you bought the con and the rest of us knows that republicans are voting with their hate instead of their brains. You can't have brains and think that lying ryan is smart being that he is not smart enough to tell the truth.
Speaking of dumb when is Romney going to be proud enough of his business record to actually show us his taxes and show us voters just how he got so rich.
VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM...VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012
http://factcheck.org/2012/09/democratic-disinformation-from-charlotte/
there od plenty of Republican Disinformation at that site as well Kannin. Why not say that too?
Why not mention the Republican Disinformation listed there too Kannin?
Neat after I give up editing my last post, there it is!!
Tried to fix the "there are plenty...." not there od
Even the GOP explains WHY Biden is more qualified to be VP than Lyin Ryan is.
“Vice President Joe Biden served over 30 years in the United States Senate; he has run for president twice and has served as vice president for the past four years. He is one of the most experienced debaters in American political life and we definitely don’t take the challenge lightly,” an (Romney/Ryan)adviser said
FUNNY: Can't wait for this Biden is the biggest dipsh i t to ever be vice president. Mr. Ryan will make him look like the fool he is.
Honestly I wish we had an actual I.Q. on Biden it has to be in the double digit. Let's give him an 86 until proven otherwise.
Biden is going to make Ryan look like the lying moron that he is. Ryan is going to wish he was Sarah Palin before it is over.
Howdid - no VP Biden is very smart. However my estimate is your IQ can't be over 50!
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Howdidwe, you must have missed Spiro Agnew and the Dan Quayle years