Just look at "The 43rd President of the United States" and the tax shift cuts that he passed all those years ago. They were made temporary but they've been extended twice now.

So why does Obama want to make 80% of those tax cuts permanent? He has never called for an increase on those making 250K or less which make up the majority of the Bush tax cuts.

Well, Alan, the President has said repeatedly that he does not want to raise taxes on the middle class and small businesses until things improve. It is the GOP that is holding that plan hostage to ensure tax cuts for the richest Americans are also extended.

BTW, the majority of the Bush tax cuts are ABOVE $250K in earnings, not below as you stated. The Bush tax cuts have always heavily favored the wealthiest Americans.

So.... when is First Read going to post about the fact check on the DNC last night? It turns out both Ryan AND Biden have a problem getting their facts straight. A big problem.

BTW, the majority of the Bush tax cuts are ABOVE $250K in earnings, not below as you stated. The Bush tax cuts have always heavily favored the wealthiest Americans.

BS. The cost of the tax cuts for those above $250K is 700B over 10 years.

The cost for those earning under 250K is $3T over 10 years

Treasury estimates the costs of making the tax cuts permanent for everyone is $3.7 trillion over 10 years.

Of that, $3 trillion accounts for the cost of extending them for the vast majority of Americans, as the president has proposed. The remaining $700 billion is the cost of extending them permanently for the high-income earners.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/15/news/economy/bush_tax_cuts_faqs/index.htm

Do you want those making 250k and under to pay more taxes? If not, STFU, and don't look a gift horse in the mouth......

Wow how can I argue with such a gifted debater?

OK, so Obama is now going with the "we have had policies for decades, it will take more than one term to fix"... but I remember him (when I voted for him) saying "If I can't turn this around in 4 years, then I don't deserve another 4 years".

People actually believe this guy? Reagan had a worse economy, 20% inflation, 13% unemployment, yet created 6 million jobs in 1 term, brought inflation below 4%, and unemployment under 5%, all in one term....

The #1 reason for the slowing of economic growth this year can be attributed to three letters of the alphabet. G-O-P. Why? Because GOP legislators didn't want the economy to improve regardless of what they say. If the economy improved, they didn't have a chance in 2012 and they knew it. Party First, America Last is the GOP motto.

Since the GOP took control of the House, they have done NOTHING, absolutely nothing except pass anti-womens health bills, personhood bills, mandatory ultrasound bills and dozens of other anti-abortion pieces of legislation and they named a few post offices. They obstructed and blocked the American Jobs Act which would have added over 1 million new jobs--those million jobs last September would have continued the economic growth we were seeing in 2011 and early 2012 by spurring millions more but the GOP said "NO". Where are the jobs Boehner promised? Republicans elected GOPers in 2010 but it seems they didn't keep the promises they made now did they? Now they point their finger at President Obama.

Alan, NJ

So why does Obama want to make 80% of those tax cuts permanent?

the ones that will benefit the 98% - you know, all those people who actually spend their hard earn cash to buy products.

Instead, Romney want to cut more taxes for the wealthy (even though Bush tax cuts failed) while he wants to take deductions from the rest of us like the mortgage interest deduction.

You can blame the workers all you want, however if the "boss" can't get them to work, you know who's getting the pink slip!

Obama can't even get along with Reid or Pelosi, let alone the republicans.

But hey, he is a cool guy!

Oh, and don't forget Obama said the last time "with the economy being the way it is, now is not the time to raise taxes on anyone!" Of course, nothing has changed as far as the economy is going, but it's an election year and he has to drum up his base with class warfare.

Where are the jobs? Well, with Obama running up the deficit people are saving money to whether the storm. It makes sense. Not everyone runs a business like Solyndra.

Regarding the "bright spot" in the jobs report: What Obama didn't tell you that although 96,000 new jobs were supposedly created and the unemployment rate dropped from 8.3% to 8.1% (the experts had anticipated 125,000 new jobs and unemployment remaining at 8.3%), the number of people employed in the private sector dropped by 368,000! Yup, that's great news alright. More people becoming dependent on government. This President is succeeding!

Regarding the "bright spot" in the jobs report: What Obama didn't tell you that although 96,000 new jobs were supposedly created and the unemployment rate dropped from 8.3% to 8.1% (the experts had anticipated 125,000 new jobs and unemployment remaining at 8.3%), the number of people employed in the private sector dropped by 368,000! Yup, that's great news alright. More people becoming dependent on government. This President is succeeding!

ADP begs to differ...

Employment in the U.S. nonfarm private business sector increased by 201,000 from July to August, on a seasonally adjusted basis. The estimated gain from June to July was revised up from the initial estimate of 163,000 to 173,000.

www.adpemploymentreport.com/pdf/FINAL_Report_August_12.pdf

The only "bright spot" is there is an election in two months that can remove this Jimmy Carter clone and finally AND FINALLY after 4 years of a failed Obama administration this country can start growing again. THAT is the only "bright spot".

Romney is the guy that can turn things around, he has turned around on every single issue, he turns around so much he is dizzy, he turns so hard and fast on himself he should be equipped with a tachometer.

Wow how can I argue with such a gifted debater?

Yeah Alan - It must be tough. Besides, where did you get the impression I was trying to debate you in the first place. This is FR, not a debating hall.

-

O&Joe 2012

sirie

You can blame the workers all you want, however if the "boss" can't get them to work, you know who's getting the pink slip!

You mean like when Boehner initially indicated that he wanted the Senate to pass a payroll tax bill with a two-month extension and was met with fierce resistance from rank-and-file House Republicans?

It doesn't get worse than Boehner not being able control his own House Republicans.

sirie

OK, so Obama is now going with the "we have had policies for decades, it will take more than one term to fix"... but I remember him (when I voted for him) saying "If I can't turn this around in 4 years, then I don't deserve another 4 years".

People actually believe this guy? Reagan had a worse economy, 20% inflation, 13% unemployment, yet created 6 million jobs in 1 term, brought inflation below 4%, and unemployment under 5%, all in one term....

Actually, going from negative job growth to positive job growth qualifies as a turnaround. And bear in mind that the Democrats actually cooperated with Reagan during that recession (remember Tip O'Neil?) And remember Reagan's willingness to raise taxes when it was the smart thing to do?

The Republicans have a lot of "brass" criticizing the President's inability to solve the jobs problem when they have not allowed the President's programs to pass in Congress. You actually have to TRY the program before you can claim that the program does not work. Right?

sirie, that would be 30 years of trickle down, supply side economic policies President Obama was referring to, begun by--wait for it--Ronald Reagan. 30 years of loopholes and tax cuts mostly benefiting the wealthy, 30 years of neglecting this nations needs because, heaven forbid, anyone should pay a bit more in taxes. Reagan and Bush 41 quadrupled the debt, Bush 43 doubled it again. Even Reagan realized his mistake and agreed to tax increases, 11 of them. You don't repair the damage of 30 years of GOP failed policies which finally totally collapse the economy in 2008 in one term, two terms or even three terms.

Even if there was only one single job created republicans in the house can not take any credit for it, they Waterlooed themselves and Romney. Welcome to Waterloo you lazy good for nothings, you were so worried about Obama getting any credit at all, and now he gets all the credit, due to your inaction and obstruction. Ha, you shot yourselves and Mitt Romney right in the foot, you deserve it, you should be ashamed of yourselves, a lot of Americans are ashamed of you, they won't reward you with the oval office. You may have even shot your own teabags right off, it would be hard to tell, because people that try to gain political advantage through sabotage don't really have any teabags to start with, now do they.

I got an idea, why don't we get a president who surrounds himself with brilliant people that can actually figure out what needs to be done... not cronies from hometown Chicago that just smell so corrupt it reeks of Al Capone.

bayllie ...

A Party that has a #1 priority to make any president a 1-termer is not a party that has economy as the #1 priority because there can be only one #1.

Very well put. I don't understand how many of the R posters on here can't get simple math! It didn't work before (trickle down), Mitt and his wealthy cronies are doing NOTHING now with their $$ to create jobs (which they could do as they keep stating their all about America), and they continue to moan and groan about the President. Get a clue people! Your die-hard Congress has done nothing to help with this situation .... speaking of which ... where are you all defending them? Where is Mitt's unique plan? VAPOR!

Guys, please, sirie doesn't care about facts - just spouts the same old GOP lies over and over again which makes him/her/it such a good Republican.

An article out today spelled it out - neither Obama nor Romney can make jobs appear. The situation is an has been beyond government's control.

But, you little radical righties go ahead and lie. It's all you've got. You clearly have NO leadership - just one sham (Romney) after another (Gingrich, Ryan, Santorum..... take your pick)!

And sirie - what reeks around here is you and your little mental midget cohorts!

Obama/Biden 2012

who needs facts? you can smell the discontent in the air everyday! or how about that consumer confidence?

facts are boring.... and cold. and would only make Obama look worse

Guys, please, sirie doesn't care about facts

Seeking,

After Sirie's vile screed the other day about rape & Democratic women, I won't read anything he has to say, ever again!

I have seen some despicable things on this board, but that one was one of the worse!

I don't remember Romney proudly pointing to any jobs bills passed by the House, ruled by baggers.

That's because there weren't any.

sirie

I got an idea, why don't we get a president who surrounds himself with brilliant people that can actually figure out what needs to be done... not cronies from hometown Chicago that just smell so corrupt it reeks of Al Capone.

you realize most of his cabinet were Clintonistas? VP was an opponent in the primaries?

you know, i love honest debates about things because President Obama isn't perfect. i've been very disappointed in his handling of GITMO, the Patriot Act still being in place, the fact that we're still sucking down oil like a drunken pirate drinking rum, and the fact that there has been nothing done to renovate campaigning for office. All of these are valid avenues to point out the shortcomings of the administration.

When all you have to argue with is namecalling and conspiracy theory-esque platitudes, you lose credibility. when you lose credibility, you lose the argument.

@ FR - Please get the ignore function working again soon... kthxbai

Conservatives say - market is perfect...but now it's obviously not, it needs to be fixed.

Conservatives just want to leave the market alone - so we have to vote for the Democratic party who always believes in a proper partnership between government and market and believes in tweaking of the market.

Tzalaran ...

@ FR - Please get the ignore function working again soon

I'll second that!!!!!!!

Republicans don't have a clue of how to fix our Economy and never have. For the past 3-1/2 years Republicans did everything in their power to make sure American workers suffered every minute of everyday by stalling our Economic Recovery and refusing to pass laws necessary to hasten our Economic Recovery.

Republicans' entire 40 year record is complete with utter, total failure, and Republicans have NEVER cared about improving the American People's lives nor have Republicans ever done anything to improve "quality of life" issues of the American People!

Republicans will send overseas aid to foreign countries by the billions, but Republicans can't stand to see the American People prosper one iota from the benefit of our own taxpayer dollars.

Obama/Biden 2012

Feisty - check your e-mail!!!!

TO: sirie who wrote:

"I got an idea, why don't we get a president who surrounds himself with brilliant people that can actually figure out what needs to be done..."

Democrats do exactly that.

Republicans, on the other hand, REFUSE to consult Economic experts and/or PhDs in Economics because Republicans are too busy stealing money, corrupting Government and advancing their own personal causes instead of serving the American People and if Republicans got some Economic Experts in there, Republicans' crimes against the American People would be exposed.

Obama/Biden 2012

Jobs ? Jobs ?

Oh yeah, flashback to Mr. Obama's 2008 campaign speeches and follow-on into 2009 ("I go to bed thinking about jobs", "I have a laser beam on jobs", and "Summer Recovery 2010") and then during his 2012 DNC speech:

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1NL99bLpkg
• http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/04/unbelievable-2008-obama-vs-2012-obama/

TO: ldo who wrote:

"Jobs ? Jobs ? Oh yeah, flashback to Mr. Obama's 2008 campaign speeches..."

How about more recently, in November 2011 Teagaggers' promise of JOBS JOBS JOBS?

Republicans haven't created not even one single "Job" since the one they got for themselves.

President Obama, on the other hand, has created millions of jobs WITHOUT any help from Republicans.

Obama/Biden 2012

sirie

People actually believe this guy? Reagan had a worse economy, 20% inflation, 13% unemployment, yet created 6 million jobs in 1 term, brought inflation below 4%, and unemployment under 5%, all in one term....

Where did you get that 13% figure? Last time I checked, the worst unemployment rate was about 10.3% -- almost TWO YEARS into Reagan's first term in office. But that must have been Jimmy Carter's fault, eh?

Several times in his acceptance speech Obama blamed the presidents who preceded him in "last two decades" for causing the problems which he has been unable to deliver us from. Lets see who served in those two decades.

There was Bill Clinton (1993 - 2001) and George W. Bush (2001 - 2009). Every time Obama goes back in history in an attempt to establish the sour position that the Republicans supposedly placed, him in he walks over his "good buddy" Bill Clinton. How could he forget that Clinton existed when Clinton spoke on his behalf the night before.

Clinton "supposedly" cleaned everything up and George W Bush (and/or his predecessors) screwed everything up. That's been Obama's position all along. Maybe he just has his chronology screwed up. If so, why didn't one of his advisers mention it? Or, is he slamming Clinton?

sirie

OK, so Obama is now going with the "we have had policies for decades, it will take more than one term to fix"... but I remember him (when I voted for him) saying "If I can't turn this around in 4 years, then I don't deserve another 4 years".

Obama did fix it; We went from 10.2% unemployment to 8.1%, 700,000 jobs lost to roughly 100,000 jobs this month, and 4.5 million new private sector jobs. Why can't you Republicans admit that???

People actually believe this guy? Reagan had a worse economy, 20% inflation, 13% unemployment, yet created 6 million jobs in 1 term, brought inflation below 4%, and unemployment under 5%, all in one term....

You also seem to forget that Reagan also raised taxes AND spending while hiring more government workers. As for the inflation part, Reagan's tax cuts would have increased inflation, yet the Fed was taming the inflation beast. And Reagan didn't have to deal with an opposing party that stonewalled his every move; Tip O'Neill compromised with Reagan, yet John Boehner and Mitch McConnell never had it in them to do the same with Obama. And by the way, Obama reformed the healthcare industry, removed barriers for gays to serve in our military, and stimulated the economy via the stimulus, all in one term. Don't think that you have all the cards.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Obama's part of acceptance speech is nearly a carbon copy of the 1980 Carter nomination acceptance speech. This is not a referendum, it is a choice . . . . .

Somebody needs to tell Obama that this argument won't work. Carter lost even though he was way ahead of Reagan in the polls right out of the convention.

Da Noid

ADP is the largest payroll processing company. There are a whole lot more companies that do payrolls like my wife's Company. Most of them who charge less that ADP. What that means is small business is still shedding jobs.

Obama insists he is growing the middle class, these numbers say, NO!

Um.DB...it IS getting better,it's not great but it's far from where it was in 08.Despite your party's belligerent obstructionism(which the administration expected would happen)he still managed to get something done and the economy as a whole has reciprocated.Bush trashed the world economy,it's going to take a lot longer than it did when Reagan was in office,the demographics out there are far different than they were 30 years ago.And yes Reagan presided over one of the highest unemployment rates since the Depression(started by another Republican,Hoover)Also George HW Bush instigated the largest tax INCREASE in history and it still stands..And that was in the early 90s.We managed to survive thru that most definitely people making over a quarter mil a year can stand to part with a bit more cash;I know I cannot..

witchrunner

Oh, and don't forget Obama said the last time "with the economy being the way it is, now is not the time to raise taxes on anyone!" Of course, nothing has changed as far as the economy is going, but it's an election year and he has to drum up his base with class warfare.

First of all, you know as well as I do that that phrase was just a cover so that Obama could extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone. Secondly, I agree with you; Obama is promoting class warfare. It's a fact. However, it's not an attack on the rich; it's retaliation. For 30 years, Republicans have been dominated by the wealthiest Americans, and have declared a war on those who aren't in the upper class. The rich have denounced the poor via the GOP as "moochers, dependents, and welfare queens." For 30 years, supply-side economics have hammered away against middle and lower income Americans, reducing their share of the American economy and stagnating their wages. And they have not said a word; in fact, they accepted this suffering, thinking that it would lead to prosperity in the future. Now, it's time we fight. I not only accept class warfare; I want it. I am tired of Republicans and businessmen alike controlling our government and benefiting from our nation's services while demanding less in taxes and regulations. I say take those bastards on and let the winner rule the country. It's about time middle-income Americans stop taking the bull@!$%# that the GOP and the wealthy keep throwing at them and stand up for themselves.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Dave today was evidence of further failure not progress. The economy is not growing sufficient enought to generate enough jobs for people wanting jobs. 368,00 gave up last month.

Recovery usually means a 4.5 - 6.5% growth in GDP 2.5% is required just to stay even. We are not really recovering yet, we are still falling behind.

Less than 2% increase in jobs is falling behind, 97,000 new jobs is less than 2% We are continuing to fall behind.

I got an email from a conservative relative this morning.

had a picture of Clinton "you cannot recover from such a fall in four years"

Then a picture of Reagan "I did"

Let me add. Warren G Harding also would say "I did"

Just a clarification. Obama has not suggested making the tax cuts for those making under $250 permanent, but just currently extending them. He acknowledges that at some future point they too will need to be raised.

The thing is that the middle class consumer will put those tax cuts back into the economy. However, the top earners may very well just sit on them. They have had these cuts for some time now and the tax cuts plus record profits has big business, corporations and the wealthy, sitting on a bout $3 trillion or more. They are not taking that money and creating jobs with it and there is no logical reason why giving them even more, would be any different. Bottom line is that without a big consumer demand, there simply is no logical reasons for them to create jobs. Instead they have less risk and better returns playing that money in the commodities markets. That's where a lot of this excess cash resides. Unfortunately, all that speculation results is higher consumer prices. That is the biggest reason for high gas prices and also the rising food prices.

The economy will continue to slowly come back and left to the private sector, that rate of recovery will stay slow. If we want it to come back faster, we need to create jobs artificially in the short term. Basically this is Stimulus. The President's jobs plan should have been passed a year ago and by now we would have an additional 1 million consumers. It was paid for, not to mention that the jobs created would be primarily for infrastructure rebuilding which is long overdue anyway. Republicans flatly refused. It's not even like they wanted to modify it, they just refused. If you want to get out of a recession quicker, the government needs to step in with clearly directed activities that get people back to work. If you just throw money at the rich and hope, you'll just be disappointed, because it will only be the slow recovery of demand that will create new jobs. We know this clearly because they are already sitting on tons of excess cash and not creating jobs. Giving them more cash to sit on will do nothing but eventually result in higher consumer prices because of all the commodities gambling the extra cash funds.

freshieee: I'm glad you admit that Obama is a liar and will say whatever is politically expedient. I guess I've missed the repubs attack on the middle class. Last I knew, and have always seen, they want to reduce everyone's taxes. And, no, you obviously haven't been paying attention to politics if you think that the wealthy are only repubs. Nor are they dominated by repubs. Just look at all of this stimulus money and even the bank bailout money. It all went to dems. The fact is that people like Bill Gates have been given a pass by the dems because he's a dem. Traditionally, the libs love to bash the successful people like Gates. Of course, while bashing Gates they will continue to by the products created by Gates. Also, Gates made a ton of people wealthy and all of those people paid a lot of taxes to help the "poor."

Unfortunately we have several tiers of dems (libs). On the one side of the spectrum are those who have figured out that if they vote for dems they can vote themselves money out of the pockets of other people. On the other side are those who are in power and know that a lot of people will vote to give them power if they promise utopia. In the middle you have people who really don't understand politics or economics and wish to believe that the dem politicians really do have their best interests at heart. However you wish to look at it, there has never been a society where the rulers decide everything that has succeeded in helping the masses. Nor has there ever been a society were power is centralized that has made it's people better off. The fact is that the more freedom a society has the more prosperous it's people are. And that includes everyone in it. Just compare our poor to the poor of other countries. Do you really think that the poor in the Congo, India, China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, or most anywhere else have microwaves, air conditioning, cars, stoves, refrigerators, indoor plumbing, etc.? Heck, even the clean air and water that the dems think they are the only ones who desire it, just where do you think the money and technology comes from to provide that for us? It comes from the wealth that the evil capitalism provides.

And that's why I say libs don't understand economics. They assume the money and wealth will still be there even if they take all the money away from the people who create the wealth. Why do you think that socialist countries don't produce that much or have that much innovation? Well, look at it this way. If government decided a "fair wage" is $50,000 a year, how much are you willing to work to get it? If you work in a union factory and the rules have been set up such that you will get paid so much and are expected to produce so many widgets a day, and you are told that you shouldn't produce any more than that and you won't get paid any more, what's your incentive to produce more? What's your incentive to advise management of a way to be more effective? If you live in one of the "compassionate" socialist countries that guarantees you a job, what's your incentive to anything? On the other hand, if you know you can get paid for doing more, are you just as likely to sit on your butt doing nothing? This is the difference between Socialism and Capitalism. Obama represents the former.

Well I'm sure am glad he figured out that we need more jobs!

Guy must have gone to Harvard!

Below is a link for ANYONE that thinks Obama is a President of the people.

http://hillbuzz.org/who-is-funding-the-purchase-of-the-35-million-beachfront-hawaiian-estate-for-barack-and-michelle-obama-to-move-into-come-january-2013-2013

Repubs keep complaining that economy is not turned around fast enough for the, and I will remind they how they Obstucted President Obama from day one!

Rt wingers come on to the blog and whine about things not going good enough while they hide the facts they are trying to sabotage the economy and anything good to make Obama a one term president!

TomWood-5404531 posted the same story the other day, see below.

On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration. In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote that during a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.

Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).Non-lawmakers present
Newt Gingrich

During the four hour meeting: The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.

I just wish Republicans would remember how Reagan got the unemployment rate to drop. He put 200,000 teachers to work right off the bat. The Republicans now days do away with hundreds of thousands of jobs at the state levels and expect the unemployment rate to go down, oh wait maybe they do realize that it will only raise the rate but that really is what they want just so their party can have the power of the presidency back. Just like the BS Romney is spouting about Obama lowering the work requirement for welfare. He did relax some requirements at the urging of several Republican governors but what the h$ll it,s like the debt ceiling debacle cause the problem then blame Obama and they also got the benefit of bringing down his popularity that was sky high after the death of Osama Bin Laden. Everybody really needs to take a good hard look not at what the Republicans do and quit listening to what they say but at least some of us are onto them.

Taxes, taxes, taxes, its all BS why can't we have a government that lives within its means. they don't need more money they need to stop giving it away, 32 million here a billion there come on wake up, its time to stop the spending. if they do that then we can determine what they need and make a decision on whether or not a increase is justified, we are supporting the world on borrowed money, and it has to stop. I don't like the rich getting away with not paying a fareshare but then again I dont like watching our tax dollars being given away overseas for nothing when things at home need work. Obama has not fixed any thing so, what do you do keep giving away money? that's what he is doing and promising more that is just plane stupid. quit giving so much away. we pay Israel, we pay Palestine, we pay Iraq, we pay Egypt, we pay Pakistan, Afghanistan, S Korea, North Korea (when they behave), Indonesia and the list just keeps going on and on Lebanon, hell who do we not pay, and for what so they will behave, are we being held for Ransom or some thing, conned by thugs? we hand out billions and don't even get a thank youjust another open hand, now even our own citizens are catching on to the game and demanding there entitlements, all the while the Republicans are saying lets stop spending Mr Obama its time to stop spending now. it took both parties to screw this country up, and the Democrats are more to blame, they just like to cast the blame at the republicans. like the liberals it has to be somebody elses fault we can't do wrong. they never did a damn thing right. except lie they are professionals at that.

"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle." ~George Orwell

MacJobs Even.....Living Wage Jobs Down....Bernanke's Quantitative Easement III On The Way To Deflate Our Dollar Even More!

I am sorry but if President Obama did not keep ANY of his Promises Over The Last 3.5 Years except to his Wall Street Bankster Masters why of Earth Would ANY Rational Person think He Would Keep ANY Of His Promises Now?

Pompous Obama even Had Mr. Cocaine Bill Out Making Excuses For Him instead of Admitting his FAILURES as he Promised US he'd do! my brother, he's got a nose like a Hoover vacuum cleaner. Roger Clinton

Why Should ANYONE be Stupid Enough to Believe ANYTHING a WALL STREET OWNED PROFESSIONAL LIAR Like Barack Obama Says?

It is NOT like We The People Can Trust Bailout Barry After All Of His NOT Hope & NOT Change" Nonsense...Well Maybe That's UN Kind....We've Had A Lot Of Hopelessness & Change For The Worse....But Really...Does That Count?

America Refuse To Reward FAILURE Refuse To Re-Elect ANY Wall Street Corrupted Incumbents not even Barack Obama!

Psst America....Watch this just released PBS Documentary and then you will know what these WALL STREET CRIMINALS Are Actually All About!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I

"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts."~ Abraham Lincoln

"If everyone unemployed would only stop looking for work we would get to 0% unemployed. What a measuring tool!" from OpenDialogue

Obama's plan for taxing the rich does not come close to reducing the budget deficit. Obama pleged to reduce the defict by 50% when he campaigned for president in 2008, instead he has increased the annual deficit by over $500 billion a year (60%+ increase in annual deficit spending). Promises to get elected which the news media does not identify as broken promises

True, taxes will go up (get rid of tax breaks and loop holes) and also reduce spending.

Obama now wants entitlement reforms? What are the reforms? Or just an effort for more votes?

Congress is broken and President does not lead. We have another election cycle where politician’s promise to fix things and work together but do nothing but poke each other in the eye. The fiscal cliff is coming and the politicians are stepping on the gas making it come even sooner.

So, Obama is celebrating only 96k "jobs created" (we all know that number will be "adjusted" in the next month or so) while having almost 400k more people dropping out of the unemployment figures.

Hmmm....I think I understand why he thinks he is a success.

More people out of work than when he took office, and yet he "saved/created" jobs? How is that possible? Our population isn't growing that fast!

...and yet, liberals here are still bowing down to our overlord-in-chief...

I can't wait until November 6th. That is the day that America will correct a 4 year old error!

Obama... " We just created 96,000 new jobs in the burger flipping industry ".

witchrunner

freshieee: I'm glad you admit that Obama is a liar and will say whatever is politically expedient. I guess I've missed the repubs attack on the middle class. Last I knew, and have always seen, they want to reduce everyone's taxes. And, no, you obviously haven't been paying attention to politics if you think that the wealthy are only repubs. Nor are they dominated by repubs. Just look at all of this stimulus money and even the bank bailout money. It all went to dems. The fact is that people like Bill Gates have been given a pass by the dems because he's a dem. Traditionally, the libs love to bash the successful people like Gates. Of course, while bashing Gates they will continue to by the products created by Gates. Also, Gates made a ton of people wealthy and all of those people paid a lot of taxes to help the "poor."

No witchrunner, I have paid a lot of attention to politics. I did not mean to say that the Democrats are completely immune to the evil of big money; they are corrupted. However, they are influenced to a relatively lesser degree than the GOP. And enough crap about the stimulus; it saved the U.S. economy from further economic damage. It wasn't enough to get us further along the road of recovery, but at least it took us off the cliff. And personally, I don't care whether the wealthy pay a lot of taxes; that doesn't mean they should be given preferences in our government's policies.

Unfortunately we have several tiers of dems (libs). On the one side of the spectrum are those who have figured out that if they vote for dems they can vote themselves money out of the pockets of other people. On the other side are those who are in power and know that a lot of people will vote to give them power if they promise utopia. In the middle you have people who really don't understand politics or economics and wish to believe that the dem politicians really do have their best interests at heart. However you wish to look at it, there has never been a society where the rulers decide everything that has succeeded in helping the masses. Nor has there ever been a society were power is centralized that has made it's people better off.

Neither has there ever been a society in which sustainable economic growth comes from those who are at the top. I may not be an economist, but I have no recollection of ANY successful society in which sustainable economic growth comes exclusively from the top. None. Don't tell me that Democrats don't understand economics when the other party has pursued trickle-down policies that have FAILED for the past 30 years. And enough with the welfare-giving vote-grabbing crap; I've had enough of your party's disapproval with people on government support. Yes, I admire our nation's rugged individualism, and yes, welfare is full of fraud, but do you ever tire of attacking the poor??? Your party plans to ELIMINATE the social welfare state and have the poor begging on the streets of every town and city in this country. Your party fails to realize that America is also a COLLECTIVIST nation, that we have a healthy mix of individualism AND collectivism in this country, not just one or the other.

The fact is that the more freedom a society has the more prosperous it's people are. And that includes everyone in it. Just compare our poor to the poor of other countries. Do you really think that the poor in the Congo, India, China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, or most anywhere else have microwaves, air conditioning, cars, stoves, refrigerators, indoor plumbing, etc.? Heck, even the clean air and water that the dems think they are the only ones who desire it, just where do you think the money and technology comes from to provide that for us? It comes from the wealth that the evil capitalism provides.

You cannot compare the poor of the richest nation on earth to the poor of undeveloped or developing or semi-developed nations (excepting Russia). How about a more fairer comparison; between the U.S. and other DEVELOPED nations. Right here, America has the HIGHEST level of economic inequality in the developed world, and our levels are reaching that of Argentina. America has one of the HIGHEST poverty rates in the developed world, along with the highest costs for education and healthcare. More wealth and income is going into the hands of the wealthiest Americans than in the pat 50 years of American history; hell, economic inequality levels are reaching PRE-DEPRESSION proportions!! And no, we are not a free country. We are not free to criticize our government's actions abroad without being branded as anti-American. We are not free to advocate the legitimacy of labor unions in the economy without being attacked as union cronies. We are not free to demand quality and affordable healthcare or education without being denigrated as moochers and government dependents, nor are we allowed to demand that political elections be free from the taint of moneyed interests and corporate influence without being accused of engaging in "scare tactics" and attempting to undermine the concept of freedom of speech. And most egregious of all, we are not allowed to demand that our government stop catering to the wealthiest Americans and corporations and demand a fairer tax code and domestic policy without being cast as communists, anti-capitalists, haters of the free market, and class warfare-instigators. So no, my dear sir, we are not free in America, at least not this America.

And that's why I say libs don't understand economics. They assume the money and wealth will still be there even if they take all the money away from the people who create the wealth. Why do you think that socialist countries don't produce that much or have that much innovation? Well, look at it this way. If government decided a "fair wage" is $50,000 a year, how much are you willing to work to get it? If you work in a union factory and the rules have been set up such that you will get paid so much and are expected to produce so many widgets a day, and you are told that you shouldn't produce any more than that and you won't get paid any more, what's your incentive to produce more? What's your incentive to advise management of a way to be more effective?

Let me ask you a question: in what world do liberals want to take all of the wealth from the richest Americans?? That in itself is absurd. All we want is a fairer economy, a fairer government, and a society that does not idolize producers and condemns ordinary people. And the ways we want to achieve those goals is not by dictating wages, but through tax and economic policy. We want to stop and reverse the redistribution of wealth from the middle and bottom of America to the top. We want an end to the idiotic concept that "rich people create jobs;" if you conservatives really understood economics, you would realize that the only reason why jobs are created is because of strong demand. Without demand, there is no supply; it's that simple. If I got a $50,000 tax break and decided to use it to hire another worker, how will my business prosper??? Yes, that additional worker might buy some of my goods, but his cost to me will be far more than his benefit. Only if demand increases will I be able to increase employment. And by the way, unions don't set up a cap on production; in the old days (c 1950), they had wages that increased with both the cost of living AND rising productivity. Now we have neither, thanks to the decline of unions.

If you live in one of the "compassionate" socialist countries that guarantees you a job, what's your incentive to anything? On the other hand, if you know you can get paid for doing more, are you just as likely to sit on your butt doing nothing? This is the difference between Socialism and Capitalism. Obama represents the former.

Enough with the damn comparison between socialism and capitalism. Socialism failed, we get it. Liberals understand that; hell, communists think we are capitalist cronies. And Obama definitely does not represent the former. Socialism in America would include a government-run healthcare system (similar to that in Canada or in the UK). We would also have a govt-run oil company, a state-run airline, a state-run auto industry, and no private schools. We don't have that. Hell, Obama's healthcare reform plan was to the RIGHT of Bill Clinton, and he was a @!$%#ing moderate compared to past presidents!! You conservatives keep using the socialist card over and over again to justify your failed policies, yet you keep ignoring the fact that capitalism isn't perfect. People are bound to be oppressed by their employers without a third-party preventing that. That party tends to be the government, with unions also playing a role. Pure capitalism is no different than pure socialism; both are extremist and are bound to fail sometime in the future. That is why a healthy economy is a hybrid between socialism and capitalism; a strong government that has control over perhaps 30% of the economy and regulations and rules to regulate the system, and a vibrant private sector that abides by the rules but is also free to innovate and succeed. That, my dear friend, is the optimal economy, one in which everyone prospers and one that America used to have. And if things go right over the next few decades, America might adopt it once again.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

• True unemployment rate: 14.6%.
• Folks who quit looking for work and dropped out of the scene: 360,000.

The Department of Labor should tell it like it is.

Wait a minute, Mr. Obama is saying this is a BRIGHT SPOT ?

It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.

- Ronald Reagan

Freshieee....Media Matters want to talk to you about writing a book on becoming a Conservative.

Thats about right Dennis.

Get rid of the rotten nasty tea this November and let's get this country moving again! Republicans offer nothing but LIES. Can't wait until the tax returns get leaked in October!!

Dennis: Sorry, we are just following Obama's opinion when he said in early 2009 "If I don't get this economy fixed in 3 years I am looking at a one-term proposition". Funny thing: That is the only truthful thing he has said since becoming president.

If you would rather live in september 2008 when the times were so good, please use your magic tea dust to get there. We will all be better off!

Pro,

Sorry but that was before anyone knew that he was handed an economy that was growing at negative 9%, twice as deep as 1980 (the 2^nd worse recession with 3 times the manufacturing base for an easier recovery) and the absolute worst economy since the Great Depression.

Spud: The question is not 2008 - it is 2012 and whether we should be happy with what our president has done the last 4 years. And we are not. Quit making excuses. When the Democrat slogan now is "you are better off, you just don't know it" then it is time to change.

Quit making excuses.

Until the Republicans' #1 loser can articulate a sensible plan for the economy, President Obama is the only choice for the November election.

Dennis: QUIT MAKING EXCUSES!! Obama said he could fix the economy. In 2010 (a year AFTER he took office) he told us we were in the "Summer of Recovery". If he didn't know by then what the economy looked like then he should have resigned at that time because everyone else knew what we had the summer of 2010. Then when the economy didn't recover in 2011 he said once again we were in the "Summer of Recovery". Then in 2012 he blames George Bush.

So enough of the excuses. Obama has failed. He said he knew what was wrong with the economy and he could fix it - he was wrong: He failed. So stop with the excuses. This sounds like 1979 (Jimmy Carter reelection) all over again with always someone else's fault. But when you screw up you take it like a man and admit you failed. This president has failed on every level and to try and go back four years to find someone to blame is pathetic and not a characteristic of a leader. Obama is a failure - period. Accept it and quit trying to find SOMEONE to blame it on.

ProBusiness

Spud: The question is not 2008 - it is 2012 and whether we should be happy with what our president has done the last 4 years.

yes because the Republicans were willing to handover the White House to John McSame.

And now they want Mitt "Bush Clone" Romney to go back to the failed Bush policies.

Can you tell me that we would have been better off under Mr. McSame who said that 100 years in Iraq would be "fine with him"???

Sailcat: ANY plan is better than not having a plan at all like Obama has done the last 4 years. So incompetent he cannot even propose a budget that even ONE in the Senate could approve. The Obama budget got ZERO votes!! Now THAT is certainly a failure.

Obama won in 2008 saying the Republicans "drove the economy in a ditch". But rather than getting the economy OUT of the ditch he just sat there on the hood and smoked reefer for four years. Ummm, if you don't like the economy in the ditch then put forth a plan to get OUT of the ditch!!

When Obama has been in office four years and their new slogan must be "you are better off, you just don't know it" that is the definition of failure.

ProBusiness

Quit making excuses. When the Democrat slogan now is "you are better off, you just don't know it

We know it: 401(k)/stock market are doing great, health insurance premiums stopped skyrocketing (they doubled between 2000 and 2008), the #1 terrorist who attacked our country is dead, people of Detroit have jobs & Detroit automakers did not get dismantled and sold to the lowest bidder like some Bain companies ended up; companies are making record profits, we (the 98%) pay less in income/payroll taxes...shall I continue?

Bayllie: This is what is so great about this country. We elect people to run our country. To basically say "Obama sucks but McCain would have sucked more" is a weak and incompetent argument. We elect people we feel would best run this country. The country picked Obama - and he has failed. In life we don't get "reruns" or "do-overs". The country picked Obama and he failed. Now we get to pick another. If Romney wins then he gets to show you HIS plan and ideas. If he fails then in 2016 we have the ability to select another.

You don't keep a catastrophe because 4 years ago he won. No, doesn't work that way. What McCain would have done is irrelevant because we don't know. I think McCain would have done better but that doesn't matter. What matters is Obama was elected in 2008 and said he could fix the economy - he failed.

So now we decide who is better to fix the economy the NEXT four years. Do we pick Obama who has already said he will do the same thing the NEXT four years as the LAST four years (?????) or do we try someone new. Since Obama failed time to give Romney a shot. That is the only Hope and Change we can look forward to.

ProBusiness - so you'll admit that Romney having no plan is absolutely unacceptable? That's what we've all been saying! Glad you agree with us!

Obama/Biden 2012

President Obama was handed a lemon of an economy in 2009. He has made lemonade of it. The lemonade is not a sweet as we would like but getting there each month. It took Bush 8 years to screw things up royally. It is going to take more than a couple of years, more likely at least 8 years, to fix it. Job growth is slow but steady. The stock market has largely been a bull market as it usually is during a Democrat Administration after so many bear markets. Some people seem to think he is some sort of magician where he can wave a magic wand and presto the economy is fixed. It doesn't work that way. It even took Dubya a few months to destroy the surplus left him by Clinton and then in the remaining time kept the downward spiral to where it was in 2008. Had he not turned it in the positive direction I might go along with the idea of him not keeping his word about being fired if he couldn't turn it around. Well, the turned it around.

Despite the obstructionism from the far right President Obama has accomplished far more than one might think. There is a long list but I like the Vice President's take on the Obama Presidency.....wait for it....wait for it....Osama Bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive and making a profit.

If money is in the pockets of the 1%, then the great multitude of the middle class will not have enough money to boost demand in the marketplace.

If Romney - the representative of the 1% - takes over, he will allow to 1% to take more money home, leaving the middle class hungry, even less demand on the market thus starving the economy - we'll never see recovery then.

TO: ProBusiness who wrote:

"Dennis: Sorry, we are just following Obama's opinion when he said..."

Nothing President Obama said in 2008 or 2009 is going to make me vote for Mitt Robme or Paul Ryan because Republicans don't understand Economics and Republicans don't consult Economic Experts, EVER.

Mitt Robme is a JOBS CREMATOR and he proved that when he came in 47th out 50 in job growth when he was Governor.

Obama/Biden 2012

Pro,

Please understand that facts and history do not = excuses.

Dennis, Please understand your OPINIONS do not = "facts".

American Girl-724855....."(1) Nothing President Obama said in 2008 or 2009 is going to make me vote for Mitt Robme or Paul Ryan because Republicans don't understand Economics and Republicans don't consult Economic Experts, EVER."

Yep, (1) just follow the flock. If Mr. Obama says he can walk on water, then he can.

Yep, (2) Mr. Obama sure picked a real winner with Mrs. Romer as his Senior White House Economist adviser. That is why she is back at Berkeley teaching Obamanomics.

Romney-Ryan 2012 to take back America from the Progressives and the Radicals.

jim,

You cannot point to anything I said in 2.5 that is not Fact {period}.

ProBusiness

So enough of the excuses. Obama has failed. He said he knew what was wrong with the economy and he could fix it - he was wrong: He failed. So stop with the excuses. This sounds like 1979 (Jimmy Carter reelection) all over again with always someone else's fault. But when you screw up you take it like a man and admit you failed. This president has failed on every level and to try and go back four years to find someone to blame is pathetic and not a characteristic of a leader. Obama is a failure - period. Accept it and quit trying to find SOMEONE to blame it on.

Ugh. Probusiness, you know as well as I do that the past 4 years HAVE NOT been a failure. You know that 4.5 million private sector job gains in 4 years is great, along with a stock market that is improving. You know that 8.1% is a helluva lot better than 10.2%, and that 96,000 job gains a month is BETTER than -700,000 a month. And you know as well as I do that had things gone the same way that Reagan did, not in policy but in indirect actions, the economy would be a lot better. That does not mean we need more tax cuts for the rich (or for anyone) and more deregulation; it means that this crisis is worse than ANYONE, not just the president, expected.

Reagan didn't face a financial crisis; hell, the financial industry was less bloated and powerful than they are today (a good thing). Reagan faced a simple recession caused by the Fed pulling the strings and tightening monetary policy, a recession that was necessary to combat the stagflation of the 1970s. All Reagan technically had to do was spend a few billion in infrastructure projects and let the Fed help him out when inflation bottomed out to around 3-4%. When you are in a financial crisis, no amount of cutting interest rates or buying up assets can get your way out of the liquidity trap; you need cold, hard expansionary policy, preferably spending projects.

Now, if your boys had gotten over your sulking defeat in 2008 and decided to cooperate with the Democrats, the economy would be in MUCH better shape, and the deficit would be reduced over the medium-term by $4 trillion. But they didn't; they stonewalled and obstructed and refused to compromise, even when the deal was in their favor. You can blame the President for not doing enough, but you cannot blame him for everything. You cannot blame him for the GOP's obstruction, or for the idiocy of forcing austerity in Europe, or the slow recovery (that was a given).

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Dennis

Sorry but that was before anyone knew that he was handed an economy that was growing at negative 9%, twice as deep as 1980 (the 2^nd worse recession with 3 times the manufacturing base for an easier recovery) and the absolute worst economy since the Great Depression.

Sorry, that makes your vote and trust look even less brilliant.

Obama was campaigning that his measures would stop the slide. His measured did NOTHING. That is what pairing up all the numbers shows. Even the CBO agrees with this!

The slide was pretty much over by April of 2009 before the first handful dollars actually hit the street!

Apparently Treasury Secretary Paulson understood how bad it was. His request was $350 Billion with a $350 Billion Reserve. By January 2009 Paulsen had used just $300 Billion (only half of the banks actually needed help and that is another story). Obama and company added another $170 billion, over 2 years with the bulk of it in 2010 when he dumped $100 Billion into smaller banks.

BTW most of those banks DID NOT need the money, just as about half of the Big Banks didn't need the money. What those smaller banks were doing with the money was buying up branches to make their operations larger. Obama though he says he is against corporate welfare is willingly participating in it!

How do I know? My great grandfather co-founded a small town bank in a small western PA town. I still have a relative who inherited the family preferred stock. That relative keeps me well informed in the bank and it's practices.

That is why I have comments on your outlandish posts! I know from the inside of finance what is going on, while you get yours from left wing sources who gain power and wealth from misleading multitudes of people like you, Dennis!

The problem at hand after a crash is allowing things to recover. Your candidate has managed to create the weakest recover of 2 centuries by over regulating and mis-regulating!

ProBusiness

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT I HAVE SEEN ON THIS BLOG! I can tell that you are a FOX news watcher and only FOX news. Do us all a favor, and start finding another news program on another station. You have been lied to by FOX news. BTW Bush 2 was the biggest distructor to our economy and he IS to blame, and yes we are better off then we were 4 years ago. Just in case you were to blog that next.

Americanvoter: When you can't defend your candidate liberals resort to name calling. You have clarified for everyone your inability to initiate an adult debate and conversation. I'll pitch in to buy you some crayons and don't forget nap time.

For the others typical liberal distractions. Obama has been a failure. 4 years later and higher unemployment, stagnant economy, lowest labor participation rate in over 30 years, 1 in 7 on Food Stamps, 1 in 6 in Poverty, and so on. Liberals try very hard to distract the debate to any number of other topics but that is irrelevant. Obama has failed and the country must decide if we want 4 more years of the same. The answer is no.

Try to distract as you want but the people are smarter than that and understand electing someone who understands how a business and economy actually works is important and Romney will be reelected. Or we can reelect Obama who has already stated he plans to continue the SAME "plan" he has used the LAST 4 years which we look at today and clearly see failed. So 4 more years of failure or we elect Romney who understands what it takes to get an economy growing.

Try your distractions all you want. Try to explain the reasons why Obama has failed. Try to explain why Obama was a pathetic and non-existent leader. Keep trying to explain but the people already know: Obama has failed. Period.

Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2006, took the oath in Jan 07, he knew, or should have, knew what he was going to be handed. All he did as a Senator is run for President. The fact that he claims he did not know how bad things were only shows that he was incompetent then and now. Excuses and blame is all Obama has done, he refuses to take a leadership role as President. He blames Bush but voted with Bush on TARP. He knew exactly what he was getting into but his ego was to big.

As far as claiming he "inherited" this so called mess, is a damn lie. He asked for it, spent millions campaigning for it and said he could fix it. Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling as a Senator, but expects to raise the debt ceiling as President and chides the Republicans for fighting against his request.

LIAR LIAR BO

CNN) -- Anyone watching the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday night heard the number 4.5 million several times.

"Despite incredible odds and united Republican opposition, our president took action, and now we've seen 4.5 million new jobs," San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, the party's keynote speaker, said.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who served as President Barack Obama's chief of staff, and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, who followed Obama's November rival Mitt Romney as governor of Massachusetts, both cited the same number.

Sights and sounds from the DNC

It's a big-sounding number, given the still-sputtering job market. So we're giving it a close eyeballing.

The facts:

The number Castro cites is an accurate description of the growth of private-sector jobs since January 2010, when the long, steep slide in employment finally hit bottom. But while a total of 4.5 million jobs sounds great, it's not the whole picture.

Nonfarm private payrolls hit a post-recession low of 106.8 million that month, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figure currently stands at 111.3 million as of July.

While that is indeed a gain of 4.5 million, it's only a net gain of 300,000 over the course of the Obama administration to date. The private jobs figure stood at 111 million in January 2009, the month Obama took office.

And total nonfarm payrolls, including government workers, are down from 133.6 million workers at the beginning of 2009 to 133.2 million in July 2012. There's been a net loss of nearly 1 million public-sector jobs since Obama took office, despite a surge in temporary hiring for the 2010 census.

Well I'm sure am glad he figured out that we need more jobs!

Guy must have gone to Harvard!

Below is a link for ANYONE that thinks Obama is a President of the people.

http://hillbuzz.org/who-is-funding-the-purchase-of-the-35-million-beachfront-hawaiian-estate-for-barack-and-michelle-obama-to-move-into-come-january-2013-2013

What a credible link there Victor. Maybe the next one you post can just be:

www.whyIhateobama.org, or an easy one www.foxnews.com

Ironically, foxnews seems like the Encyclopedia Britannica compared to hillbuzz

Next time don't try passing along garbage you think people won't actually look into.

Repubs get elected to their office...take the oath to their office,

Then take the Norquist pledge to the rich while spitting on the Constitution and the people they were to represent.

Then they pledge against America when the night the president took office, repubs pledged to vote against any bill that might make President Obama look good in the 2012 elections....

Like traitors to the nation, every repub that took the Norquist pledge and pledged against the nation should resign.

Sarge,

All the economic facts take a lot of time to be compiled and evaluated. It wasn't until late 2008 that it was determined that the recession started in 2007.

It was 2010 before all the data was compiled that determined how deep the recession was in 2008-Q4 and 2009-Q1 at a negative 9% GDP growth.
Many thing were said by a lot of leaders including both candidates that hindsight proved them to be flat wrong.

In a CNBC interview at the end of July 2008, Alan Greenspan said he believed the U.S. was not yet in a recession, but that it could enter one due to a global economic slowdown.

On December 1, 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) declared that the United States entered a recession in December 2007.

A FULL YEAR LATER

Dennis,

Yes the recession started in Dec 07 and ended in June 2009. A lot of people, me included, don't believe the recession ended in June 2009 but much later if at all. With the unemployment rate above 8% and the underemployed and those no longer looking for work at around 15+%, I am sure those people still will say the recession is still here.

Another thing the Democrats won't admit was they, starting in Jan 2007, were in charge of the Federal Budget and was responsible for writing the appropriations bills that run the government, until they were kicked out of the House in 2011.

Lets face it, Obama was not and is not up to the job of President. No one can run the country with the attitude "It's my way or the highway", and further won't even meet with his own parties Congressional leaders.

Obama has been the biggest blamer of his predecessor than any other President in History. He blames Bush for everything that took place on his watch if negative, but, wants to take credit for withdrawing our troops from Iraq, when he knows he had no choice because of the deadlines set in the SOFA signed by Bush and the Iraqi Government.

Obama said he could fix the problem within 3 yrs and if not he should not get reelected, now he is out saying I need 4 more years to finish the job I started. What makes the Democrats think that if he couldn't work with Republicans on major issues in his first 4 yrs what good will 4 more years do with a Congress controlled by Republicans? Do they believe he will stay left of center or move to center and right of center?

But this is the same President who is for a middle-class tax-cut on those earning less than $250K, has cut the payroll tax and has cut business taxes 18 times.

So was he for tax cuts before he was against them, or is against tax cuts before he is for them?

WTF is he arguing for (or against)?

The argument is that tax cuts alone are not the answer...yet that is all that you can definitively get Romney and Ryan to tell you they are going to do.

The argument is that tax cuts alone are not the answer...yet that is all that you can definitively get Romney and Ryan to tell you they are going to do.

No its not. They are for tax reform. Big difference.

The argument is that tax cuts alone are not the answer...yet that is all that you can definitively get Romney and Ryan to tell you they are going to do.

Noid -

That's all they can talk about. Their real agenda has nothing to do with helping the middle class....

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O&Joe 2012

obama's real agenda is to tax and screw the middle class..

obama's real agenda is to tax and screw the middle class..

Source for this please!

Put your money where your mouth is!

obamacare has 23 new taxes that will hit the middle class..

are you really valerie jarret?

obamacare has 23 new taxes that will hit the middle class..

Then provide a source for your claim, little ditto-head!

Come on, show us what you got!

google it you twit..

or is that beyond your capabilities..

you portray yourself like a genius..

i can show you what i got..

you would love it!

Those were "targeted" tax cuts and, sadly, that was the ONLY thing the GOP would agree to pass once they took control of the House but even those were not passed without a major battle first with the required amount of huffing and puffing by Boehner, Cantor, and the "young guns".

google it genius are is that beyond yo

Okay, now I get it, you got nothing!

I do want to thank you for allowing me to prove your just another serial lying, tin foil hat wearing, troll with an IQ below a carrot!

Thank you for playing!

Feisty,

Trapp is only a 7 day old troll.

He is still trying to figure out where he is....

Trapp is only a 7 day old troll.

Doesn't surprise me! lol

They'll catch up with him soon enough!

Well, you have to admire trapp ...

google it you twit..

At least it understands what Google DOES ... not so sure if it actually knows how to use it and definitely can't link it! More so than our fair blatina.

Feisty - Trapp is useless and my guess is "tramp" is a more apt adjective!

Obama/Biden 2012

Trapp is only a 7 day old troll.

He is still trying to figure out where he is....

Northstar -

He's nothing more than a Right wing leg humper.

Speaking of "Leg Humpers", I haven't heard anything out of Redsux or Caesar today......

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O&Joe 2012

I hope you all read Woodward's book coming out on Tuesday. You may learn something about who was doing what to whom in DC. I think you will be surprised.

And to those claiming the drop in workforce participation was because of baby Boomers retiring.

But those dropping out aren't so much the discouraged 30-, 40- or 50-year olds. In fact, the Labor Department said there was a modest decline in the overall number of discouraged job seekers.

The drop is because so many young adults, aged 16 to 24, are no longer looking for work.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/07/news/economy/young-adults-jobs/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_latest+%28Latest+News%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

It makes reference to the movie Zombieland, which I consider to be one of Bill Murray's greatest cameo roles ever! :-)

WHERE ARE YOU, YOU SPONGY, YELLOW, DELICIOUS BASTARDS?

In other news, the government wants you to be ready for a "zombie apocalypse". :-)

Too funny Grimey!

Sorry to say, but the right wingers are hollering about Armageddon if the President is re-elected!

Personally, I'm more inclined to go along with the Zombie thingy...

LOL!!!!!! Nice Noid!!!! I LOVED THAT MOVIE!!!!!

Feisty...one can NEVER be overprepared for a zombie apocalypse!!!! :-)

The Myth bring nothing new to the table. No reason to think he will improve anything for the middle class. Lots of reasons to think he will further damage the middle class. That's all there is to it.

In other news, the government wants you to be ready for a "zombie apocalypse". :-)

Grimey - I saw a preview of "Zombie Apocalypse" last week. Oh wait, I'm sorry, that was the RNC convention that I was watching.....

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O&Joe 2012

The employment picture would improve even more if the GOPTP House got off their collective, lazy, tax-payer funded freeloader rear-ends and did something for a change. Compromise is not a 4-letter word, it is not a sign of weakness, it is what is required of Congress. It is how our Constitution was written, compromise is what our founding fathers intended. I've watched politics since the early 70's, actually before but I wasn't old enough to vote, and never, ever have I seen either party decide that winning the next election was more important than helping the American people in times of crisis. 2008 was an epic crisis not seen since the crash of 1929, a near depression and to put it bluntly, the GOP sat on their lazy rear-ends and did nothing. Yes, I mean that! They sat on their rears collecting their paychecks and said NO, we don't care about the people or this country--we want to defeat Barack Obama.

But Jody, they all think that the President governs the Congress! That somehow he controls their thoughts and deeds. I NEVER see anyone on here complaining about their congressmen ... Personally I can't stand any of mine. We've got a "token" Democrat who is running (I kid you not!) on the fact that he DIDN'T support the President on anything! The Congress is full of some very twisted people who claim they LOVE their country but apparantly want NOTHING to do with it (except as you noted, get paid for sitting on their butts!)

By the way, Grimey, my #5.7 wasn't aimed at you; in fact, I'm not sure how my comment landed here except maybe it's those "spongy, yellow, delicious zombie creatures!

Jody, please read the Woodward book. You may find it interesting.

lulu98 - get a life. You may find it interesting!

Why attack Seeking Sanity? Because I suggest reading a book put out by the well known author from WaPo? Afraid to read it?

Has anyone seen their Congressperson or Senator lately?

Deadbeat Daddy, Joe Walsh climbed out of his bunker a couple weeks ago to attend a meeting with Islamic Americans.

As usual, it turned into a @!$%# show with Walsh screaming & berating them, like only he can do!

Feisty,

Has ol Joe ever paid his back child support ?

Love Tammy Duckworth and the great speech she gave at the convention.

Mine was being colored a Democrat and colored a Liberal

all over the convention Wednesday night! Love that man!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/emanuel-cleaver-speech-_n_1852503.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

Has ol Joe ever paid his back child support ?

They settled out of court!

Love Tammy Duckworth and the great speech she gave at the convention.

Isn't she awesome?

She is currently kicking old Joe's ass and is up by 9 points over him!

Remember, Mr. Tea-Bagee only won in 2010 by 296 votes.

He has been redistricted and it is a more much Democrat environment! ;o)

Feisty - hopefully Joe Walsh will get the heave ho in November!

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Northstar ...

Has anyone seen their Congressperson or Senator lately?

I haven't seen mine but I'm sure they are sick of me ... love FB in that you can like their page and post questions to them. Not that they answer but people sure are getting the drift that they should spend more time doing the job they were elected to rather than posting photo ops of themselves!

Feisty--I was so impressed with Tammy Duckworth at the convention. I sure hope she sends the dead-beat daddy looking for a real job. ALthough who would hire him?

ALthough who would hire him?

Not sure other than a used car lot... ☺

Oh my, you actually want them to do something. The only thing they know how to do is collect their own check and say NO.

Feisty---never thought I'd say this, but I think used car salesman would be a step up for Joe and I'm not sure they would have him.

Did you come up with that all by yourself, or did mommy help you? Romney Lies and even his lies are worse than manure rocco. And then there is "Mr. Truth" himself - Lyin Ryan. Sweep the rotten tea away in November!

pud, Yes I did, Glad to see you didn't disagree.

spud - Rocco is 10 and using Mom's computer again!

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LOL, you nailed it! Thanks for a good laugh, especially since this whole election is not funny at all. The stakes are just too high, this man has to go!

I honestly wished Obama would've been much better than he has been. I thought he had a great opportunity to steer us in the right direction, but unfortunately that is not the case. In the past 4 years he's managed to split the country on a multitude of political issues all while stomping on the rights of the American people and the Constitution. Obama had a monumental task set before him of turning the economy around and for whatever reason his policies (or lack-of) have not produced results. It's time we elect a new President and hold him accountable just as we did Obama.

drc,

"A man that has NEVER held REAL job his entire life what does one expect."

I totally agree with you about the CV of Paul Ryan.

DRC and NorthstarDFL, you are both so right. I checked Obama's voting record in the senate before he took office and I knew right away what kind of president he would be. The man is in WAY over his head and he doesn't know how to reach across the aisle and get things done. The congress, especially Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader (Democrat) deserves a lot of blame that people have been putting on the Republicans. He never allows anything to even come up for a vote. Both him and Obama need to go.

The job creators are waiting to see what this idiot will do next - shakey ground does not make a stable building. I work for a non-profit that has laid people off and we can't bring anyone back, want to know why. The wealthy are now holding onto their $$s and not donating like they were before because Obama doesn't think they do any good with their money. I have been here for over ten years and this is the worst it's ever been for us. That's right all you liberals the wealthy support all of the non-profits, it's not your $25 check.

Jody,

Are you talking about new jobs or regained jobs?

I went to factcheck.org

The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office.

The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office.

Totas - Are we going to quibble over some change?

Time to hunker down? odumbo and biden couldn't get tuff without dumbos goons..........................

and how many jobs has obama had, he's a talker and thats his only job.and you want find dirt under obama fingernail either. but check the the fingernails of the illegals that obama is giving our jobs to.im sorry but you will find dirt under obamas fingernail its the dirt he gets off the golf course.

and how many jobs has obama had, he's a talker and thats his only job.and you want find dirt under obama fingernail either. but check the the fingernails of the illegals that obama is giving our jobs to.im sorry but you will find dirt under obamas fingernail its the dirt he gets off the golf course.

How much dirt will you find under Mr. Romney's fingernails?

How many "real jobs" has Congressman Ryan ever had?

Do you really want to go there?

You may be able to find some cannabis shake and coke residue under Obama's fingernails. Obama even had to relinquish his Law license just so he could avoid disbarment proceedings.

Obama even had to relinquish his Law license just so he could avoid disbarment proceedings.

Do you guys EVER get tired of being wrong?

www.factcheck.org/2012/06/the-obamas-law-licenses/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2903471/posts

So, "RandyEK", you're telling me the answer to my question is, "no"?

No Randy the coke head was named Bush. ☺

I'm telling you that your argument has no merit and I'm backing it up with a long-ass blog on the subject that thoroughly refutes your bald-faced-lie

Randy - you're the typical Republican liar. President Obama and our First Lady put their law licenses on inactive status for the time he is President. Otherwise they would have to pay for malpractice insurance and take continuing education courses. Their licenses can easily be re-activated in 2017 when he completes his 2nd term as President.

But, of course, unless you're a liar - you'd know that. When you have to post lies to support your candidate it proves you have NO candidate!

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I'm telling you that your argument has no merit and I'm backing it up with a long-ass blog on the subject that thoroughly refutes your bald-faced-lie

www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

There...now I've cited two sources that both say any claim that the President and the First Lady surrendered their licenses to avoid disciplinary action is bogus.

You give me ONE blogger as "proof"?

Really, please, for your own sake, just stop it as you're only embarrassing yourself now.

DaNoid - and a far right blogger at that. Who, in their right mind, uses a BLOGGER as proof. Oh wait - the operative words here are "in their right mind." Never mind!

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Really, please, for your own sake, just stop as you're just embarrassing yourself now.

It's painful to watch ignorance on the level of Randy's!

Next, he'll be "proving" the moon landing didn't occur either!

Feisty - Randy LIVES on the moon - in his own little demented mind!

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Depending on half truths and falsehoods got you the gig, but it will not be enough for you to keep it this go.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/barack-michelle-gave-up%C2%A0law%C2%A0license/

Randy - mental midget - my information comes from the state licensing agency. They top you any day! Also check SNOPES.

Your "proof" is a far right wing group? Are you totally insane???? Stupid question - of course you are!!!!

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Your "proof" is a far right wing group?

Leave Randy alone, he's busy checking the number of black helicopters currently circling his double-wide!

Seeking - you ignorant slut - your information does not give reasons why Obama relinquished his license in 2007; nor does it give a reason why his wife relinquished hers in the mid 1990's.

Your poor reading comprehension skills are not a valid rational for accepting your drivel as truth.

Randy - you stupid idiot. It totally gives the reasons - try a legitimate source - go to SNOPES and see the fool you are to everyone else!

I'm LMAO - you actually think the President and First Lady have time for continuing education courses?????? You truly are a twit!

You have no comprehension skills and clearly a very low IQ - I'm guessing it's not above 50!

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You have no comprehension skills and clearly a very low IQ - I'm guessing it's not above 50!

Like I said, Randy's ignorance & paranoia is beyond words!

Q:Did Barack and Michelle Obama "surrender" their law licenses to avoid ethics charges?

A:No. A court official confirms that no public disciplinary proceeding has ever been brought against either of them, contrary to a false Internet rumor. By voluntarily inactivating their licenses, they avoid a requirement to take continuing education classes and pay hundreds of dollars in annual fees. Both could practice law again if they chose to do so

http://www.factcheck.org/

Now go sit down, put on your tin foil hat and STFU you moron!

"Signed: Epstein's Mother" did not work for the Sweat-hogs and it will not work for you.

"If you thought the last four years were bad just wait until we get four more"

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"Pay no attention to that man behind the green curtain"

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"It is all George W. Bush's fault"

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note: they surrendered it to avoid disciplinary proceedings; not in response to disciplinary hearings - please try to keep up genius.

Feisty - if you want a real life go to the site he posts as his "authority." LMAO!!!!

RandyEK - you've clearly totally lost it. Time for your meds!

Seeking - you ignorant slut - your information does not give reasons why Obama relinquished his license in 2007; nor does it give a reason why his wife relinquished hers in the mid 1990's.

...and in the absence of stated reasons you're more than happy just accepting made-up reasons?

...and in the absence of stated reasons you're more than happy just accepting made-up reasons?

I pray Randy has no children...

We don't need a second generation of stuck on stupid!

"When you start seeing flak you know you are right over the target"

WWII Bomber Pilot

RandyEK - poor little boy! You're not a bomber pilot and what you're seeing is us laughing at your idiocy - nothing close to flak!

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How is this any different that the GOP telling is in one breath that Government does not create jobs and then complaining in the next breath that President Obama isn't creating jobs?

That is politics my friend. They're dirty unfair and willing to convince the under-educated that every word that floats off their lips is the truth "so help them God." Some of these politicians are more akin to actors, magicians, or, the always entertaining, mime. Luckily every so often, in the month of November, we get the opportunity to fire them for being the lying, venomous, scum-bag heathens they actually are.

it is all about him being President...end of story

Employers knew Bush was leaving so they took the appropriate steps to prepare for what they might get stuck with. On November 5th, 2008 employers found out who they were getting and they acted accordingly.

You would do the exact same thing if it were your company, but being a socialist you may be incapable of understanding these basic truths.

Why don't you tell us how the economy was doing the other 90 Months of Bush's Presidency?

Why don't you tell us who controlled the Purse strings, wrote all the laws, was responsible for all oversight and committees, for the last two years of Bush's Presidency?

laurie,

How soon you forget, this President has spent 4 trillion dollars, we don't have, over the last four years and we still have 25 million neighbors out of work.

Let me clue you, everyone is tired of you Farl Left doorknobs blaming everyone else for Obama's shortcomings. Real tired.

Dave - see that's the difference - you seriously don't HAVE a clue - about anything. Yet you're willing to run your mouth and prove to EVERYONE what a true idiot you are!

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You've proven what Sanity? That you really good at insulting other people?

Seeking is right Dave; Obama spent six-trillion-dollars ($6,000,000,000,000) we do not have

David - you idiot. You contradict yourself. First you blame Obama, then Congress. Which is it exactly??? Oh wait - it's going to be whoever you want it to be for whatever you want to "prove." Except, the only thing you prove is that you're ridiculous and willing to bend and twist everything to make your "point," which of course is a false one to begin with. You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic!

Oh Randy, please join in. We've seen the kind of "proof" you post above. I'm still laughing!!!!!

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@Seeking,

You laugh because it hurts too much to cry; and who can blame you? The nightmare you tied your wagon to is about to crash and burn.

Dear little Randy - I'm a happy person because I'm backing a winner - unlike you who is backing loser and liar Mitts!

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@Seeking,

Your commander-in-chief is incapable of telling the truth.

From his self professed "Christian" faith to his steadfast belief in traditional marriage, up-to and including his stated deeply held belief in the process and his declared refusal to ever do an end-around on Congress in order to provide unconstitutional amnesty to criminal migrants.

Obama and his Marxist brethren would not know the truth if it bit them on the arse; and it will on November 06, 2012. Simply put; you socialist put no value in the truth because the truth stands between you and the satisfying of your wants.

Randy - and let me guess - you with your filthy mouth and unsubstantiated lies are a "Christian," right? I guarantee you President Obama is more Christian than you or anyone you know. Oh, and the first unconditional amnesty program was done by Reagan, you know that, right?

You are a mental midget and a poor excuse for a human being. You're clearly no man. You probably should actually know what a word means before you use it - like socialist. See, if Jesus were alive today you'd call him a "Socialist" too!

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Seeking,

Reagan signed in to law a bill duly constituted by the House and approved by the Senate; whereas your pimp in the peoples house made an illegal signing order in direct violation of the laws he swore to uphold.

The courts have already declared one of his signing orders unconstitutional and they will soon be doing the same for his illegal amnesty bill.

note: I'm a recovering Democrat and a registered Independent that never voted for Bush, or Reagan - just an FYI

highest corporate tax rate?

highest deductions and loopholes = much lower EFFECTIVE rate and PAID taxes:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/30/456005/reminder-corporate-taxes-very-low/

fail. try again.

PS. GOP Obstructionism is the problem. The fact that they rewrote the dictionary and Compromise is now a dirty four letter word is the problem. The fact that they STATED an objective of making the President a one termer is the problem.

Get Real. We need serious answers and serious people, your side presents NEITHER!

David,

Is the answer to your last paragraph....Bo??

PS: "ThinkProgress" is a Democrat Socialist site. . .

What do you think they would say?

Clara,

Try to absorb this:

Obama has been the President for the last four years. Absolutely nothing has improved. If we keep going down this road we will never get out of debt. He even told us, "if I don't turn things around in 3 years, I'll be a one term President". He!!, he's more honest than you are.

I'll use a Left wing site so you don't go into shock. I'll even concede that corporations are actually paying less.

What I won't Concede is that its those Big Bad Republicans that want to lower taxes. Perhaps you should read below were Obama stated he wanted to drop it to 28%, a whole 3% higher than what Romney Proposes.

There's also the fact that Obama has had almost 4 years to revise the Tax code and hasn't done a damn thing to do it. I have no doubt that With Obama its all talk and No walk. We know hes the "Redistribute the Wealth" make the Rich pay More, etc President. Why would anyone believe he would lower taxes?

rate.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/us-corporate-tax-rate_n_1392310.html

U.S. Corporate Tax Rate To Be Highest In The Developed World

* Japan's corporate tax rate dropping to 38.01 pct on Sunday

* Combined U.S. 39.2 pct rate will be developed world's highest

By Patrick Temple-West and Kim Dixon

WASHINGTON, March 30 (Reuters) - The United States will hold the dubious distinction starting on Sunday of having the developed world's highest corporate tax rate after Japan's drops to 38.01 percent, setting the stage for much political posturing but probably little tax reform.

Japan and the United States have been tied for the top combined, statutory corporate rate, with levies of 39.5 percent and 39.2 percent, respectively. These rates include central government, regional and local taxes.

Japan's reduction , prompted by years of pressure from Japanese politicians hoping to spur economic growth, will give that country the world's second-highest rate.

This has triggered complaints from U.S. politicians and business groups.

"This isn't an April Fool's Day joke," said Senator Orrin Hatch, the leading Republican on the Senate Finance Committee.

"Every industrialized country around the globe understands that tax rates can determine whether or not businesses succeed or fail," Hatch said in a statement.

Across most of the political spectrum there is broad agreement that the U.S. corporate tax rate is too high, though few corporations actually pay that rate because the loophole-riddled tax code gives them lower "effective" rates.

Republicans and Democrats agree that the tax code needs work. It has not been thoroughly overhauled in 25 years.

In February, President Barack Obama proposed a corporate tax reform blueprint that included a 28 percent top rate.

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has said he wants to cut the corporate rate to 25 percent.

Dave, no use telling them like it actually is because they just don't want to hear it.

Why would we want to give this man 4 more years when this Country is going to hell in a handbasket at high speed under his previous years.

This Government is the largest business in the USA and it should be run by a business man.

Romney gets my vote.

TGMcCallie, I completely agree with you. His dangerous monetary policies are frightening, Ben Bernanke also has to go. We cannot handle anymore of his QE (money printing and buying treasury bills, etc.). The cure they are using will eventually become the poison and our monetary system will eventually collapse. We need to get our money backed by gold again and stop the printing presses. I want a business man, who understands the way the private sector works and has a better understanding of economics. Obama has had his chance, it is time for him to let someone competent take over.

It is amazing none of the Dems on this board ever blame Harry Reid for anything... I guess it goes against their DNA that only allows them to blame Republicans.

I have excellent critical thinking skills.

Then you are not a liberal. . .

That;s just known as excuses.

Once again, the Obama fans have their facts incorrect. Obama had a Democratic Congress to work with when he became president.

If Obama didn't have the leadership in his first term to work with Congress, then what makes you think it'll be any different if he's re-elected. It will be more of the same. In order words, we're screwed if Obama is president.

The argument that Obama is 'cleaning up the mess he inherited' is a poor excuse for lack of results.

Billy - IDIOT - President Obama had a filibuster proof congress for a scant 44 days. The FIRST DAY OF HIS PRESIDENCY the Republicans in Congress pledged to block every effort he made in order to make him a one-term President - to hell with the country. Why are you not angry at the Republicans who failed to work to do anything?????

Oh, that's right - you're a two-faced Republican!

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hummbird---I never thought I would see the day when a political party thought it was OK to let millions of Americans suffer so that they could regain power in 2012. In my book it is treasonous. How they can live with themselves is beyond me. I wouldn't want their karma for sure.

Steeler - you'd think we could actually try them for treason, wouldn't you? THAT would be the appropriate punishment! But, I'm pretty sure there's a special place in hell for those Republicans!

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OK to let millions of Americans suffer so that they could regain power in 2012. In my book it is treasonous.

Amen Steeler Fan!

How they can live with themselves is beyond me.

They have no soul...

Still blaming Bush for 4 years of failure by an inept idiot?

Today, Supervalue Stores announced the closing of 18 Albertson's Supermarkets in Southern California. These stores are unprofitable and will be closed by December 1 2012 resulting in the layoff of 1600 employees.

This is Obama in action! This is the greedy Unions at work!

You need to put down the crack pipe or the joint and sober up you moron!

Screw that Job1! I can't afford four more years of 'Hope and Chump Change'. Given that you're a big fan of Obama's and Biden's, you should probably change your name to MinusJob10000000

Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!!!

No Dave D- Pandering to hate and fear is the creation of people like Karl Rove, Michelle Bachman and the whole GOP primary candidates. And let's not forget the T-party!

When Fox news aka faux noise has a 24/7 hate and lie machine going, blaming immigrants, gays and the poor. Always claiming and pandering to the birther crowd, and Obama is a secret Muslim crowd!

David - I bow down to you as the #1 lemming of all time!!!!! Every post of yours today proves that you are a total lemming - no doubt about it - and little Mitts and Paulie are soooooo proud that you are that stupid!

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Bill Clinton's meddling in the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 and pushing through the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. Then Obama used those two laws to push his agenda on the banks through Acorn. Through intimidation Obama and Acorn extorted billions of dollars from the banks.