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Subscribe to RSSCEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa -- Congressman Paul Ryan said the national debt surpassing $16 trillion Tuesday is a “downer” and argued it’s President Obama’s “worst” broken promise to the country only further underlining why voters should choose a new path this November.
“This is a serious threat to our economy,” Ryan told the crowd roughly an hour after the Treasury Department announced that the national debt surpassed $16 trillion for the first time in American history. “Of all the broken promises from President Obama, this is probably the worst one because this debt is threatening jobs today, it is threating prosperity today and it is guaranteeing that our children and grandchildren get a diminished future.”
Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan speaks at a rally in Westlake, Ohio.
Speaking in the same venue President Obama visited earlier in the summer, the Wisconsin congressman took a jab at the Democrats who kick off their convention in Charlotte, N.C., today: “We had a debt clock at the convention last week. I don’t see the debt clock at the convention this week.”
Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad piled on as well.
“And just this week when the Democrats are about to gather for their convention, to promise four more years of the same, the united states national debt has hit a record high of 16 trillion dollars. No coincidence it's the same day as their convention begins,” Branstad told the nearly 900-person crowd.
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Standing in front of two large “are you better off” signs – with the Obama ‘O’ artwork in them – Ryan blamed the incumbent president for not having “leadership on this issue” and vowed that a Romney administration would turn the country around.
The Obama re-election campaign disagrees.
“Congressman Ryan’s the last person to lecture on the debt and here’s why: he was a rubber stamp in Congress for the policies that turned surpluses into deficits, putting two wars on the credit card, voting for a prescription drug benefit without paying for it, and fighting for tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans when they weren’t asking for them,” Danny Kanner, Obama campaign spokesman, wrote in a statement.
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Earlier in the day while stumping in the battleground state of Ohio, Ryan continued to tie parallels to the 2012 election to the 1980 election.
“If we fired Jimmy Carter, then why would we re-hire Barack Obama now?” the GOP VP nominee said. “President Obama can tell you a lot, and he’s good at doing that, but he cannot tell you that you’re better off. After four years of getting the runaround what America needs is a turnaround, and the man for that job is Mitt Romney.”
Ryan will continue campaigning in the Hawkeye State Wednesday before heading out West for a big fundraising push.
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How precious! This little turd voted for for every bill that got us into this mess, and then turns around and accuses the guy who inherited the mess, that its his fault. This slimy little JO, along with his teabag friends even got our credit rating dropped. What a BS artist.....
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O&Joe 2012
are you blind or in a cave. do you think those long numbers were some complex algorithm. Thats the debt clock climbing.
Caesar,
Your party is done. You have presidential candidate who cannot open his mouth without sticking his foot in it, and a VP who can't open his mouth without a lie coming out of it.
I have to agree with Santorum when he said: Mitten's is the worse possible candidate that the Repubes can run against Obama, and that's no lie......
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O&joe 2012
Hey, GT, I've noticed that that little weasel (Ryan), has dropped his introductory speech line: "Obama inherited a difficult situation'
Must have had trouble being a wonk, to admit that he and the obstructionists in the house intentionally 'handed the President a difficult situation"!
Fact-checkers are probably already on this, his latest LIE!
Like stink on sh!t. This guy will set an all time record for lies before this campaign is over.
The national taxpayer debt surpassed $16,000,000,000,000.00 today, but no big deal here on NBC. Headlines everywhere else.
As the The Center for American Progress Action Fund reported, working with numbers from the Congressional Budget Office, "Paul Ryan supported nearly all of the budget-busting bills of the last decade."
CAP also reported:
In January 2001, before any Bush administration policies had been passed, the Congressional Budget Office, or CBO, was projecting budget surpluses totaling $5.6 trillion over following decade. Instead, we got cumulative deficits totaling $6.1 trillion, an $11.7 trillion difference. CBO estimates that laws passed by Congress and signed by Presidents Bush and Barack Obama are responsible for $8.5 trillion of that difference. Rep. Ryan cast his vote for about 80 percent of that $8.5 trillion.
Yep! That's some fiscal conservative there!
Amen GT!
I'm going to keep my comment PG and not elaborate!
In the meantime, we have our little Fraulein, trolling FR trying to get lucky! lmao
Poor thing is too cheap to sign up to a match site...
Look at this Democratic Convention!
This is the America I know.
Diverse, we're all in this together message; smiles and laughter and everybody having a great time just being with each other. Male. Female. Young and old.
Through good times and bad - we're in this together. As one.
This is America at its best.
Thank you Democrats. Thank you.
President Obama. We did good electing him. We did real good America.
Fact-checkers are probably already on this, his latest LIE!
Chilled, Tony - The only fact checking you need to do with respect to his lying, is to watch for his lips to move.....
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O&Joe 2012
Don't worry, it won't get by without being mentioned. This guy has been caught in so many lie traps, i'm surprised he has any toes or fingers left.
Highest poverty level in over 40 years under Obama.
Pat,
This is HOW we do it!
Not even two hours into the convention and we have already out-shined the freak show in Tampa last week!
Funny, isn't it, German Gem? Particularly in light of Chuck Todd's lament that the media can't report on the economy.
He never does say who stops them from reporting on the economy, however- so my conclusion is that it is self censorship. After all, he can't report on anything that will hurt Obama, now, can he?
I am not an Obama cheerleader but I encourage anyone who can read to look at Ryans record. He basically rubber stamped any War Spending bill Bush wanted.. Nothing but talk..
GT...it's math. Look into it.
It's a beautiful thing.....America!..The true representation, inclusiveness!
Since When Did Paul Ryan Become a Liar?
I smell something. It's called fear.
So where were you when it was climbing under Bush/Cheney? Oh, that's right, deficits didn't matter then.
In the meantime, we have our little Fraulein, trolling FR trying to get lucky! lmao
Feisty -
German gem? Yeah, what a joke. More like an old retired East German, female weight lifter rounder than she's tall, and with a unibrow. !!!LOL!!!
no joe, no bo, nj
That is a quote from you yesterday. That is not a typo error. Guess you were just drunk again.
Want to back it up, or crickets?
h/t Obama Diary
Capital Hill Blue -- Romney ignored warnings about Ryan’s history of lies, exaggerations
Campaign professionals vetting Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan as a potential Republican vice presidential candidate warned Mitt Romney‘s strategists that the Congressman had a “history of exaggeration and prevarication” that could become a campaign issue and distraction but the GOP presidential nominee’s team ignored the warnings.
Romney campaign insiders tell Capitol Hill Blue that an intense internal battle raged inside the campaign over Ryan’s history of blatant lies, factual misstatements and exaggerations.
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So Romney picked him regardless. Seems to me that Ryan ain't the problem.
Romney is.
Yep, that's what the Romney/Ryan camp is smelling. Their own fear. That and a lot of bullsh!t.
I smell something. It's called fear.
Yeah John, I agree. Those Repubes are runnin' scared!!!!
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O&Joe 2012
After Stacy Lihn's comments moment ago ... they should run very fast and far away from their "promise" to repeal the ACA!
Thank you Mr. President! For the lifetime caps and Obamacare!!!!
John,
Fear. Heh, that's funny. Let's see where Romney/Ryan sit in a week's time, or more importantly, in 9 weeks time.
My fear, and it's real, is that Republicans will be true to form, and double down on doing everything they can to make America fail. They will carry their F-ck America attitude because America didn't pick them. Take their marbles and go home. G-dam traitors.
None of that is funny at all.
Layton-3733410
That was scary powerful. I do believe that will run again and again.
I do smell fear on the left. It is palpable and pungent.
bcwc ... I hope so! Looks like that's the theme right now!
Go ACA!!!!! Thank you Mr. President for Obamacare!!!!!
GT...it's math. Look into it.
John -
Read "EEngineers post (1.6). That about sizes it up without going into a lot of detail....
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O&Joe 2012
John-2032532
It's you, take a shower. When you are dry come back and try not to repeat yourself so often.
As left him by George W. Bush! Here's what he's done since Bush:
...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.
April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.
DJIA Dec 26, 2008 8515
DJIA Aug 31, 2012 13090
Dec 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.
May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.
OK John, remain in your bubble and all will be OK.
Three years from now you'll have a new chance to pick another one of your trickely down geniuses and complain how fearful we all are about your next attempt. Meanwhile, we have Hillary, or another of large bench of highly qualified, truly patriotic Americans who will continue to fight for ALL Americans.
Um, Bush isn't on the ticket. Ryan was/is a congressman. Obama has been president and hung the country with more debt than all presidents combined through Clinton. That about sizes it up.
That's funny as it was a Democratic Congress that "handed" the President the reigns in 2009.
BTW If Sebelius is the best they have to defend Obamacare its going down. She's barely alive and putting everybody to sleep with her current speech. "Yawn".
SmBusOwner, I agree. It's not funny, not one bit. I find it interesting that Paul Ryan along with our own "Dan Lungren" conspired with 13 other Congress persons to block or oppose anything our President tried to do. It made no matter to them what happened to our citizens or to our economy. And NOW, the dumb a$$ expects us to trust him with our Nation's future? The word "treason" comes to mind, when I see Paul Ryan speak. He should be banished from EVER holding public office again.
Do people not remember that Clinton left office with a balanced federal budget and surplus because he ended trickle-down(Reaganomics) while Bush left office with a black hole of job losses, huge budget deficits and economic despair equal only to the great depression....and to top it off the two unfunded wars with continued tax breaks for the rich. Case in point: because the republicans blocked Obama from again reversing trickle-down the last 3+ years of debt is on their shoulders!
Actually, bcwc, it was an error- it should have said $5hundred thousand.
But, thanks for stalking- at least you're not phishing anymore.
Paul Ryan -- what a load of BS. It was you and your Republican Party that turned the largest surplus of all times into the largest deficit of all times. From 2001 to 2006 you never found a spending bill you didn't like. You voted to put 2 tax cuts on the credit card. You voted to put 2 wars on the credit card. You voted to put a prescription drug plan on the credit card. You voted to put a massive farm bill on the credit card. You voted to put the largest expansion of government since LBJ on the credit card. But now you want us to believe you're all concerned about the deficit. Not only are you a chronic liar, you're a complete hypocrite.
Feisty, the people in that convention hall this evening are happy because they're proud - proud of their president. And aren't ashamed to show it. The looks on their faces are a reflection to who their president is. President Obama, the cool, calm and awesome President of the United States. They are so so happy to be supporting him tonite.
What a great great night to be a democrat, to be an Obama/Biden supporter, to be an American.
Amen sister...
Like I said earlier, this is how WE do it! lol
Deval Patrick ... just kicked some ex-MA Governor butt! WHAT a speech!!!!! Way to go Governor! of MA!!!
Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?
It’s enough to make even the most ardent Obama cynic scratch his head in confusion.
Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Marketwatch is reporting that our president has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Who knew?
Check out the chart –
So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?
It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.
The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.
Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on our current president began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account, even if a President Willard M. Romney takes over the office on January 20, 2013.
So, how do the actual Obama annual budgets look?
Courtesy of Marketwatch-
No doubt, many will wish to give the credit to the efforts of the GOP controlled House of Representatives. That’s fine if that’s what works for you.
However, you don’t get to have it both ways. Credit whom you will, but if you are truly interested in a fair analysis of the Obama years to date—at least when it comes to spending—you’re going to have to acknowledge that under the Obama watch, even President Reagan would have to give our current president a thumbs up when it comes to his record for stretching a dollar.
Of course, the Heritage Foundation is having none of it, attempting to counter the actual numbers by pretending that the spending initiated by the Bush Administration is the fault of Obama. As I understand the argument Heritage is putting forth —and I have provided the link to the Heritage rebuttal so you can decide for yourself—Marketwatch, in using the baseline that Obama inherited, is making it too easy on the President.
But then, with the Heritage Foundation being the creator of the individual mandate concept in healthcare only to rebut the same when it was no longer politically convenient, I’m not quite sure why anyone believes much of anything they have to say any longer. With their history of reversing course for convenience, I can’t help but wonder, should they find themselves reviewing the spending record of a President Romney four years from today, whether they might be tempted to use the Obama numbers as the baseline for such a new Administration.
Lyin’ Ryan
Everything that comes out of Lyin' Ryans mouth is a lie or a distortion
1. Lie: President Obama is the "greatest threat" to Medicare.
Truth: Obama didn't make any cuts to Medicare benefits; he made cuts to provider reimbursements, to improve cost efficiency and extend the fiscal security of Medicare by eight years. According to the Medicare actuary, "[Obama's] Affordable Care Act makes important changes to the Medicare program and substantially improves its financial outlook."
But Ryan actually does want to cut benefits. He proposed dismantling Medicare and replacing it with a voucher system, leaving millions of seniors to come up with more money to pay for care out of pocket.2,3
2. Lie: President Obama didn't save a General Motors plant in Wisconsin.
Truth: First, Obama wasn't even in office when the GM plant closed. Second, Obama never made a promise to save it.
3. Lie: President Obama ignored recommendations of a bipartisan debt commission.
Truth: Paul Ryan actually sat on that commission. And he led Republicans in voting down the commission's own recommendation. So the commission never gave a report to Obama, because Ryan himself voted to kill the report before it could.
4. Lie: President Obama is responsible for the downgrading of the U.S. Credit Rating
Truth: House Republicans, including Paul Ryan, held the full faith and credit of the United States hostage to try to ransom it for trillions of dollars in cuts to social programs without increasing taxes on the wealthy
one dime. Standard & Poors said specifically, "We have changed our assumption on [revenue] because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues." That's why our nation's credit rating was downgraded.
5. Lie: Ryan wants to protect the "weak."
Truth: Ryan's biggest feat in his political career was proposing a budget with dramatic cuts to programs benefiting the poor. He'd cut Medicaid by one third, take away health care insurance from 30 million Americans, and cut Pell Grants for 1 million students. All so that he could give more tax breaks to the rich.
Lyin’ Ryan a filthy little creep who will say or do anything for his master Vomitt Romney
Not only fear, but theres a lot of jealousy out there....
Inside every screeching liberal, theres a calm conservative waiting patiently to get out.
I thought Deval Patrick, Gov of Massachusetts, was amazing and I loved his comment that Romney loved having the job as Gov of Massachusetts but not doing the job of Gov of Massachusetts. That is how I picture Romney's desire to become President.
@John-2032532#1.28: That odor you smell is the republican bullsh^t stuck to your feet. Need to wash 'em bud.
@Gingerbread Mama#1.17: Bad pathology. Regards
Kim.....agree. My same thought as he said it. It was a terrific speech, he was on fire. We have had some wonderful speakers and the crowd is really responding, they are proud to be Democrats and happy to support their President.
Now Michelle is speaking, she is an amazing woman telling a great story, She makes me so proud to have her as our First Lady.
Gingerbread Mamma - My favorite was Deval Patrick but everyone has been so great. What a difference tonight has been from the Republicans last week. Makes me proud!!!
Dear Mr. Ryan.
why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? Although it is remotely possible that you can find enough people who are just that uninformed to believe you, I choose to have faith in my fellow American worker and think that you wont. There is at least half the nation and probably 90% of the free world who understands who created the debt. The only real chance you had to win this was to be honest from the start, but that opportunity has passed. Go home Mr. Ryan, you can do no good for America.
coyotehunter, you have this backwards as usual. If you really did an honest study like Harvard did, on progressives and conservatives you would know that conservatives process most of their information in the emotional center of the brain, and that progressives are progressives because they process information, mostly in the logical side of the brain. That particular Harvard study is quite interesting. You should read it.
And before you dismiss Harvard as a liberal school, just remember that BOTH Bush sr. and Bush jr. went there lol
Exactly. And the Dem's held Congress the last two years of Bush and the first two years of Obama--complete control.
When we look into the mirror of our life and say, "Did we help our fellow man?" I have to say President Obama did. It comes a time where people of good faith must stand to the tyranny which has come upon us in this time and vanquish the rising devil in sheep's clothing which is Mitt Romney. I was truly inspired by MRS. Obama and her speech. If this is but a taste of what is to come from President Clinton and the rest, I can not wait. I agree with fiesty that within the first few minutes the DNC has already out shown the RNC.
It's time to call Lyin' out on the myth of tax breaks for the wealthy and job creation. The wealthy are hoarding money, or giving it to firms like Bain who invest overseas, creating jobs in India and China. We should charge a heavy premium on capital gains from overseas investments. The wealthy and their lap-dog Lyin' Ryan should put their money where there mouth is, into domestic job creation, else be taxed back into the middle class.
Ryan blaming Obama for the loan his party basically defaulted to future generations. Eddie Haskell lives!
Inherited- 1. To transfer property to an heir 2. a. To receive by the laws of inheritance upon an ancestor's death, b. to receive by bequest. 3. To receive as by inheritance fr...
om a predecessor. 4. To have by heredity.
Then Senator and Presidential candidate Obama spent $740.6 million out of a total $1.7 billion spent by ALL presidential candidates in the 2008 election. This amount alone was considerably more than the paltry $646.7 million that John Kerry and George Bush Spent ALTOGETHER in 2004 (reference FEC records as of december 2008).
The point to these two pieces of disparate information is to allow you to see that there is no possible way to correctly apply the term, "Inherit," to the manner in which Senator Obama became President Obama. He inherited nothing. In whatever condition the nation's affairs were when he took the reins, he sought, bought and paid more for that privilege than ANY other person in the history of this nation. To which, instead of being "focused like a laser" on jobs as he promised, he chose to focus on the ACA. One idea costs the taxpayers, the other would had provided revinue and a positive impact on GDP. Instead of "shovel ready jobs", he authorized the printing of 100s of millions of US currency with absolutely nothing to back it up thus deflating the dollar at a rate only overshadowed by the great depression. Instead of being "the great uniter" he drove a wedge between rich and poor, workers and employers, dems and repubs. These were his resposibilities and his promises.
What is so hard to fact check?
www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
Debt on January 20, 2009 = $10,626,877,048,913.08
Debt today = $16,015,769,788,215.80
increase in debt during Obama administration = $5,388,892,739,302.80 (16015769788215.8 - 10626877048913)
percentage of increase in debt during Obama administration = 51% (5388892,739302.80/10626877048913)
percentage of total debt attributed to Obama administration = 34% 5388892739302.80/16015769788215.8)
Exactly. And the Dem's held Congress the last two years of Bush and the first two years of Obama--complete control.
Yes they did moron but out of the last 12 years Republicans have held the offices for 8 of them and fillerbusted the other for of which 2 years was with a on vote majority in the Senate. hardly a do what you want Congress heh.
Romney has lied or twisted the truth 533 times look it up google republican have lied 533 times to see a rundown of all their lies and deceptions. You cannot trust anyone who lies to you and they are famous for it.
They add in the first 9 monthe of the Presidents first year to the budget deficit which belongs to Bush and Obama has been a bigger spendthrift than any President since Eisenhower even though he has had to pay off the debts incurred drom The republican wars that should have never been
Bush and the Republicans double the entire debt created by all the Presidents since Washington. They hid costs for the wars by not including them in the budget but passing seperate bills nobody could vote against because of their calling you non patriotic and not a troop supporter etc. We are in the mess because of republicans spending like drunkes sailors and they cannot fix the problem with their stupid anti middle class rhetoric which is nothing more than trickle down economics 2
Hey look what is in my left hand (Paul Ryan lying) and ignore what is in my right hand. (National debt, unemployment, poverty rates, Government programs going broke, broken promises)
PBO hasn't ever worked off a Budget there hasn't been one passed in the Senate in over 3 years.
But I will say this PBO and Bush have basically did the same things, spend more money than we have. The one difference is that Bush cut EVERYBODY's taxes, and PBO gave a half of trillion to the Dems pet projects.
11B2 "We should charge a heavy premium on capital gains from overseas investments."
Wouldn't they just stop investing?
OBAMA is one IRRESPONSIBLE SOB......anyone who lets the debt get so out of control like this and just tells the Treasury to print more money is a lame president that DOES NOT DESERVE ANOTHER 4 YEARS!!!!OBAMA is a LIAR, OBAMA IS CORRUPT, OBAMA is a DANGEROUS man to this very nation. OBAMA NEEDS TO BE SENT PACKING IN NOVEMBER!!
F-I-L-L-I-B-U-S-T-E-R. Rethuglicans you would think would know what it means after using in record numbers. It's in the dicitionary look it up. This group of Rethuglican Congressmen are the biggest losers in our history.
We used to sacrifice to give our children better lives. Now we sacrifice our children's lives to give ourselves better lives.
Caesar Augustus- (1.1)
YOU are the one who is blind/ignorant/clueless and in a cave.
Funny but that is exactly what I had been thinking about when it comes to the right since 2010. They ran on debt reduction and changed it to deficit reduction when it was discovered that the debt can't be paid without raising taxes.
I believe the debt argument is foolish to pursue by the right wing. They have a history of major contribution to our national debt over the last thirty years.
This is a desperation tactic by the right.
GermanGem 1.11:
You are a fake gem for sure.
Which debt is he talking about Bush's 11 trillion or the 5 trillion it took to fix it.
Yesterday it was the jobs failure. I bet this guy sits down to pee
I agree with the Governor of Mass. it is time for all Democrats to grow a back bone"balls" and not allowing these Republicans to get away with their idiotic blathering and outright lies. Shout them down, call them out and embarrass the hell out of them.
If Ryan had worked with the President we would have had a 4 Trillion dollar deal- with cuts to entitlements and an increase in taxes or revenue. But NNNOOOOO, we won't have anything to do with taxes, No,No.
George cut taxes- started two wars and a massive prescription drug program. Screw you Republicans, anti Americans.
Tom Plymouth - the change would favor domestic investment over overseas investment, creating incentives to invest at home. It's not that American workers aren't profitable, it's that corporations get a tax break for job creation overseas.
End this tax loophole for Americans who invest in overseas job creation. You could even lower capital gains taxes for domestic investment. The downside is that imported manufactured goods will cost more. The upside is that unemployment and the deficit will drop. Don't expect Republicans to support it though, They're making killings overseas.
"Uhh uhhh uhhhh uhhhh mmmmm, the debt is not important. And the fact that I have added another 5.6 trillion (thats trillion) dollars to the defecit doesnt matter.......what matters is the fat cats on wall street and Romneys tax returns. Now please vote for me, send me your wedding money and college tuition" Barry Obama campaigning
Obama's spending us into bankruptcy, so are the Republicans. And nobody has a plan except tax a couple of rich guys. That'll fix everything.
Democrats and Republicans. ZERO economic leadership skills. And Obama is at best equal with all of them, if not worse.
cdahl, be quite evrybody will know your a Republican. Seems fitting that Romney would pick a Congressman when everybody hates Congress
@ UAW,
So the opposite is Obama is not spending us into bankruptcy.........?
Typical response. And no, I voted for Obama, Klobachar (D), and Klein (R). A little research and you could have figured that out. I guess that I'll be quite now.
Be quite
NO KIDDING! Hey Lyin Ryan ... aren't you part of that 12% approval-rated Congress? And you voted for what that would help the economy????? Sorry ... still can't hear you!!! Even your beloved FOX called you out!!!
Seriously, he and Mitt think the world is still living in the 1950s - without internet and fact-checking sources. (and if they don't think you're already there, they sure want to drag you back!)
Obama/Biden 2012 - This convention is going to ROCK!
It doesn't take much intelligence to look at the last 3 and a half years. Has it worked? No! Should we try a new path? Yes! I come from the construction industry that has halted. No work in 4 years and this President has not helped me one bit. When we hit our thumbs with a hammer we don't do it again. This President has been one hit after another on my thumb. Once for me losing my job. Second time was when my brother was going to lose his job instead he just hung himself. No Mr. President I will not vote for you ever again.
James, maybe you should move? In my state and many others, construction is up. For the country, the DOW is up, interest rates are low (so borrowing for a business should be easy), and home sales are starting to improve. Maybe you should look at your State's Congressmen and Senators and ask them what they have done for you. Are you involved on a local level?
I'm sorry for the loss of your brother but if you blame that on the President, hon, you need to find another source to place your anger. My twin committed suicide and I certainly didn't blame it on the economy (he was out of work at the time, many years ago.) Instead I blamed it on what it was .... an undiagnosed mental health condition. (And with the AHA in place, your brother could have been examined at no charge.)
If you think Ryan/Romney have any plans to truly improve this economy that doesn't involve taking care of their supporters, think again. If God forbid they do get elected, it's going to take 4 years of pay outs to the rich and a lot of hurt for the middle class before this country gets so fired up they will NEVER vote Republican again.
Obama/Biden - we don't lie about our personal bests . . . .
Obama has failed every American.
He didn't fail Stacy Lihn ... go watch the convention German ... unless that's too much for your petty little heart.
Thanks for the important input GG.
...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.
April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.
DJIA Dec 26, 2008 8515
DJIA Aug 31, 2012 13090
Dec 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.
May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.
You tell me...
EE...this just in. Bush is off the ticket. Clinton is off the ticket too.
"Bush is off the ticket."
You Republicans have a very short memory. From 1976 to 1992 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Carter of everything wrong in the entire universe. Then from 1992 to 2008 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Clinton for everything that was wrong in the entire universe. So – using the standard you set – the left has another 29 years to blame Bush for everything just to pull even with you.
Should we try a new path?
Romney doesn't have a new path. It's the same old, same old George Bush path of tax cuts for the richest of the rich, deregulation, increased military spending a more foreign involvement. Been there -- done that. It failed. Voting for Romney to make this economy better is like smoking to cure lung cancer.
Charlie...do you ever read your own posts out loud to yourself...you sound just like the people your complaining about....crying and whining won't get the job done and won't change peoples minds...you have to get off your duff and do something, but if that doesn't work for you, well, then just keep complaining for another what did you say? 29 years....lifes to short to be as bitter as you libs sound...go fishing or take a walk in the woods....
EE...this just in. Bush is off the ticket. Clinton is off the ticket too.
John, Using Mitt's etch-a-Sketch does not change reality. You can't erase the past, and Ryan was a big part of that mess that O inherited....
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O&Joe 2012
James, it's a dam good thing that Edison and the wright brothers did not give up as easy as you.
And Germangem, there are no gems in Germany.
James ...sorry for your loss. Please look at what lies behind the issues, who has really profited and who has been obstructing everything President Obama has tried to do. You are aware (I hope) that jobs bills are not coming out of the republican house and that congressional republicans obstruct the same ideas that they themslves proposed, reason is their agenda is to make America suffer and blame it on the President. I truly wish our President was empowered to clear away these obstructions with a wave of his hand as you obviously blame him for not being able to do, that is not how it works in Washington. You vote as you see fit, but I am voting for the man who would give me a hand up when I fall, not for the man who would kick me in the ribs and laugh at me struggling...that is exactly what Romney will do. You are a pawn in his chess game, he only wants the title, not the job. Once he has squeezed every last cent you have in your pocket, then you are on your own. As long as he can perpetuate his lie, Americans will not be safe. I would not want a hand out but would like a hand up. When your brother and you were young and played football for example, did he stretch his hand out to help you get up after you were knocked down or did he kick you in the ribs when you struggled to get up. Did he join you in laughter while you played the game or gloat after he beat you? That is the difference between these two candidates. I am a Mormon and I would not support Romney for anything, he is an abomination to his faith, his fellow man and I would call him a traitor to our nation. Still, vote your conscience and live with the consequences as we all will.
James, you must live in one of those states where they used the stimulus money to balance their budget instead of investing in infrastructure as it was intended.
"I am a Mormon and I would not support Romney for anything, he is an abomination to his faith"
Wow, some strong words about a fellow Mormon. The Mormons I know would never use those words towards a fellow Mormon.
The Mormons I've known are just like other human beings, except that they hide behind their religion and feel that they are superior to everybody else. They'll stab you in the back if you're not one of them. Their religion is more of a joke than most others. I've known Mormons, and I don't like them. And that's the way it is.
@COinFL
I used to live in a town of about 45,000 or so, lots of Mormon influence, and as you state, they'd stab you in the back with a clear conscious. They're not on my favorite list and Romney is a genuine example of a Mormon.
Obama/Biden 2012
Why weren't George W. Bush and Dick Cheney at the RNC?
Take note that neither G.W. Bush nor Dick Cheney was invited to speak at this year's RNC. Save for Condoleezza, this is the first time in Republican history that they intentionally left out invitations to their Oval Office's predecessors.
Take a guess why.
There is no need to worry because the President has promised that the 2012 federal deficit will not exceed 229.27 so the debt will end up loosing almost a trillion dollars before the end of the through magic that the President has yet to reveal. The President promised and he always keeps all of his promises because he is the President of the United States of America. All hail the Chief!
A Romney/ Ryan administration would be a much more serious threat to the American economy.
Get rid of the obstructionist Republican traitors out of congress while we're at it. Stop them from putting party policy above the National Interest.
Actually IT DOES takes intelligence to see that WE ARE BETTER. However, the Republicans prefer NOT TO CHECK THE FACTS, AND GO WITH WHATEVER LIES THE richest people in the us want to tell them.
The do not see that they are working hard to give their money to the 1%. Keep on being "unintelligent"
"Charlie...do you ever read your own posts out loud to yourself."
Yes Coytohehunher --- I do read them and what I point out is the endless hypocrisy and the endless whining of the Republicans. You tell us to get over Bush yet Republicans carried on about Cater and Clinton for 32 years. We have Paul Ryan whining about deficits yet for 8 years he never found a spending bill he didn't like. Whining and hypocrisy -- the cornerstone of the 21st century Republican Party.
Lyin' Ryan betting on the ignorance of America! When in fact Ryan voted for all the W. Bush crapola that put us in the mess in the first place!! Is America that stupid to vote for these peckers???
Sorry Paul but here comes the roof,your a liar, out classed and out of touch.The best isn't even here yet. Take notes maybe next time. Your Mom is now embarrassed. We aren't like the Republicans you speak too we took the Government up on the student loans.
And yes we are glad to see Sarah Palin laugh at you all the way to the bank.
Karl you filthy pig save some of that money you may need it
No Obama has not failed every American, his cronies have done just fine under his presidency. But Obama did lie through his teeth when he said he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Instead Obama more then doubled the deficit, and we have now added more to our national debt in just four years then any previous president added in eight. Of course the party of blame and excuses say it is all the Republicans fault. Blame, excuses, and no responsibility, how convenient for Obama.
James Ironhorse Morrow...have to wonder just where you have been for the past 4 years. I assume you missed all the votes the republicans refused to take ..you must have missed the fact that the republican politicans were elected to work for all citizens of this nation..the idea was to work for us..not against Obama just because he beat their guy four years ago. Congress is broken..and no republican is working to correct that problem..they would rather be against Obama than for this nation. Obama as president does not make up the laws..your elected in congress do that..yet it is congress that has not done its job. If you were happy with the bush years..then you will be tickled pink with Romney and Ryan..who will cut their own taxes for sure...along with education for our kids...health care for women..the elderly,, the poor and those on social security. You need to ask yourself why jobs are leaving this nation..then consider that congress...has given breaks to any company that takes jobs elsewhere..then more tax breaks to bring that product back to the states. Even Romney has used that idea when outsourcing jobs. And you want him to be our president...geee...wonder how many jobs he could outsource then ?
The total of budget deficits under Obama are nearly $5 trillion. Nearly $1.4 trillion was left to him by George Bush. Of the deficits, nearly all of it is the result of Bush and Republican policies which Paul Ryan voted for. These include a prescription drug plan ($400 billion per year, unfunded), tax cuts (unfunded), 2 wars, now 1 (also unfunded).
When Obama took office, the stock market was plunging as were housing values. Now, the stock market has doubled from its low in March 2009. The gain in value of American stock assets has increased almost $8 trillion since this low point. Last month's rise of 4% in home values (another widely held asset) over previous year added almost $1 trillion to the asset value of our homes. Continued economic growth will add many more trillions of dollars to our asset values.
Putting the increase of our national debt into perspective, $5 trillion in increased public debt is more than offset by the $9 trillion in gains in stocks and housing. Most businesses are privately owned and do not issue stock and they therefore are not included in these figures.
I am sure that the turnaround in our economy has added trillions more in value to these privately held companies. It is important that we keep our national debt in perspective. Continued growth in our economy will clearly benefit our nation more than will cutting spending at this time. Once, our unemployment rate is low enough that most people can find a job if they want one, extended unemployment benefits can be eliminated and we can prudently reduce spending at a time when the displaced workers will be able to find another job and we won't have to pay extended unemployment benefits.
94% of our national debt belongs to three people.
Reagan
bush
Bush/cheney
ReaganBushDebt.org
The last Presidents to pay down on the national debt were President Clinton and President Carter.
If those three Voodoo economists had balanced their budgets we now would have almost no national debt.
As for Ayn Ryan, his Vouchercare will cost me $6,000 a year out of my $20,000 a year Union pension. That is the only income I have. Vouchercare is the real death panel.
Inherited- 1. To transfer property to an heir 2. a. To receive by the laws of inheritance upon an ancestor's death, b. to receive by bequest. 3. To receive as by inheritance from a predecessor. 4. To have by heredity. Then Senator and Presidential candidate Obama spent $740.6 million out of a total $1.7 billion spent by ALL presidential candidates in the 2008 election. This amount alone was considerably more than the paltry $646.7 million that John Kerry and George Bush Spent ALTOGETHER in 2004 (reference FEC records as of december 2008). The point to these two pieces of disparate information is to allow you to see that there is no possible way to correctly apply the term, "Inherit," to the manner in which Senator Obama became President Obama. He inherited nothing. In whatever condition the nation's affairs were when he took the reins, he sought, bought and paid more for that privilege than ANY other person in the history of this nation. To which, instead of being "focused like a laser" on jobs as he promised, he chose to focus on the ACA. One idea costs the taxpayers, the other would had provided revenue and a positive impact on GDP. Instead of "shovel ready jobs", he authorized the printing of 100s of millions of US currency with absolutely nothing to back it up thus deflating the dollar at a rate only overshadowed by the great depression. Instead of being "the great uniter" he drove a wedge between rich and poor, workers and employers, dems and repubs. These were his responsibilities and his promises.
Ahhh, but the $6.2T he ran up is still ON the national debt!
You go ahead and try to forget Bush and pretend he never existed. The voters remember... and that will make him most certainly "on the ticket" in November!
So, when Obama put $7 TRILLION in cuts on the table, where was Paul Ryan? Running away, with the rest of the GOTea, with their tails between their legs.
Hypocrites.
We would not be in so much debt if Bush did not start 2 completely useless wars and gave all sorts of tax breaks to the rich.
Facts people , 2009 01 20 as our president was being sworn in. The leader of the republican party were meeting to collectively pledge to not help this president pass anyone law in order to hurt politically. People we at the time losing over 500.000 jobs a month, housing crash, banks shaking so bad concrete chip were fall building. Thank about that. are you saying you give your blessing to the repubs for that. If you don't like the president because he black. then damn it say so . Please don't keep screaming the president has hurt this country.
Paul Ryan is talking about President Obama because Paul Ryan knows that all Republicans do is CREATE DEBT.
Republicans have NEVER paid down the debt in the entire history of the existence of the Republcian Party.
Republicans don't PAY any bills, Republicans only borrow and spend!
Obama/Biden 2012
Biden has the bumper sticker. Binladen is dead and gm is alive. Thanks to G.W.s policies that bozo was AGAINST, yes binladen is dead. G.M. "is alive"...belongs to FIAT! BOZO has kept ONLY ONE PROMISE!! To fundamentally CHANGE AMERICA! YEP, he has. Now we have have been down graded as a nation and becoming like Europe. He said Bush was unamerican, unpatriotic for the debt he aquired on his watch. What does that make him?? A TRAITOR!! THE ENEMY OF THE STATE HOLDS THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND!!!!! BOZO loses by a landslide in nov. The democRATS are the dumbest bunch of sheeple I have ever seen in my life! I hope when R&R wins you RATS abandon ship and get the hell out and move to europe where you belong!
Well no two ways about it I didn't spend all those trillions. So it had to be approved by Mr. Obama.
Out with the O in with R/R
He must go to Harry Reid's Mormon temple
I am a born again Christian, a follower of the risen Savior and I'd vote for Mr. Romney before I'd vote for Mr. Obama.
American Girl, if you go back and look at the track record you will see that you are not looking at this clearly. Mr. Obama has more than doubled our American debt and plans to continue to spend what we do not have to spend.
GermanGem 2.3
No, the Repulsicans have failed America--OH--except for the very wealthy.
Where were you when GWB was president? Now THAT's failure. And the Repulsicans have continued to fail. What a bunch of babies (no insult to babies here--they're all smarter than than the "Let's-Go-Backwards" Party). Blocking and refusing to even work with Obama and the Democrats.
Jean321, denial is not a river. YOU are in denial. I was going to take this further but never mind, I will not try to present any facts to someone who will not see. Being blind isnt always a physical problem.
Mr. Barry is accomplishing one of his agendas........divide the American people. I have never seen this country more divided in my life and I thank Barry O for that. Again I will ask how this country is better off since he has taken office. There is not one liberal that can answer that simple question with out name calling and blaming someone else for Obamas failures.
2GermanGem: Don't U have a porno film U need to go make. Shut the hell up nobody is interested in your delusional rants.Were not going to fake it-no were not going to take it anymore.
frespech,
Always counting on liberals being classy. Keep it up pal.
Debora, born again or not, if you supported George Bush, you supported his spending, you supported his two wars, his tax cuts and his medicare expansion - and none of them were paid for until Obama stepped up to the plate. Therefore, YOU DID spend that money. Just because Obama is finally paying the bill doesn't mean the expenditures were his. There's this thing Christians talk a lot about, telling the truth and abhorring the lie. Seems you're following along with Romney and Ryan in embracing the lie. Shame on you.
@ Pedestrian,
I'd like to hear how Obama paid for, by stepping up to the plate Bush's idiotic wars, tax breaks, etc. I seem to recall all he did further this country into debt.
It was pointed out earlier (and I think it is important) that while Bush is not on the ticket this year all the unpaid debt ran up over and by the last administration is still with us. You might want to do a bit of independent research regarding Mr. Ryan and for that matter Mr Romney. Mr. Ryan is a renowned liar and no more of a "budget hawk" than my German Shepard. Mr. Romney did not fare so well as Governor of Mass. and the only good thing good he did (Mass health care reform I.E...Romney care) he does not want to talk about. If Mr Romney is so darn good why can't he settle on a position and stick to it?
I am also a christian and every time Romney or Ryan open their mouth my B.S. meter goes into hyper drive. I also believe in freedom of religion which also means freedom from your being able to tell the rest of us what to do think or act based on your religious beliefs.
cdahl - he actually put these items on the books instead of hiding them. If we don't know what we actually owe, we've got no realistic plan for paying down. He "furthered this country into debt" by including the cost for these expenditures in the numbers. Bush and the Republicans kicked the can while Cheney claimed "Deficits don't matter." I guess they matter now, don't they.
Ryan is exactly right, and I don't think people realize just how personally important it is to every one of us.
There are approximately 116,011,000 households in the United States It's simple math therefore that each household will have to pony up an average of $135,471 to pay the current $15.716 trillion debt. That is real money that the government has already spent on real things: bureaucrats' salaries, earmarks, subsidies, military, welfare, foreign aid … whatever has been the current whim of Congress and the President. In theory, that is money that has been spent for the American people. So ask yourself: What has the government given me that I would be willing to go another $135,471 in debt for?
tell us how much GW Bush paid down on the debt, Kannin. Seems you weren't complaining then. Why now?
tonybeeerm - Why do you feel I wasn't complaining then? I most certainly was complaining then!
Kannin you are a f*ckin liar. This is even worse that your usual horsesh!t.
The (recent) debt load is not Obama's broken promise, it is George W Bush's legacy from failed and irresponsible leadership.
CBO numbers Bush debt $5.1T, Obama debt, $0.9T.
reterry- YOU are the liar. USDEBTCLOCK.ORG includes CBO numbers.
...and GG, if you attribute the policies for each president to the debt, it's almost all GWB's.
O's policies include, the Stimulus, ACA, extended unemployment and SS payment reduction (Which he tried to pay for with a 3% tax hike on the wealthy, but Republican's wouldn't let him). So those Policies add up to less than $1T, the rest is the crappy economy that he inherited and the Republican's refuse one bit to address. G-dam traitors.
You obviously need these remarks translated because you clearly can't understand simple English. You can make a fool of yourself by missing the point, but who cares?
SmOwner, Bush spent less in 8 years than Obama has spent in three and a half. What's so difficult to understand there? Obama is outspending Bush at a rate of nearly 2 and a half to one.
Just place GG on Ignore. I just did. It's not worth even bothering to read GG's opinion. Just more of the SAME SAME.....OBAMA - BAAAD! OBAMA - EVILLLL..... GG is a waste of water.
Neither was Ryan.
As it turns out, Republican majorities voted to raise the U.S. debt ceiling seven times while George W. Bush sat in the Oval Office. (It should be noted, as Ezra Klein did, that party-line votes on debt ceiling increases tied to other legislation is not solely the province of the GOP.) As ThinkProgress pointed out, during the Bush presidency, the current GOP leadership team voted 19 times to increase debt limit. During his tenure, the U.S. national debt doubled, fueled by the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, the Medicare prescription drug plan, TARP and the unfunded wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor voted for all of it and the debt which ensued because, as Orrin Hatch later explained:
Or as Vice President Dick Cheney famously put it in 2002, "Reagan proved deficits don't matter." Not, that is, unless a Democrat is in the White House.
JT-456250 - When you attack GermanGem, rather than her arguments, it is your clear admission that her post is entirely accurate, and that you have no valid counter to any part of it.
Well stated Kannin.
True, Kannin.
Gee, Why can't you find any of the funding for Bush's Iraq war in any of the Bush era budgets? Because they were all funded by special appropriation. Thus not in his budget. Does the Trillions of dollars spent on Iraq count into the debt clock spiraling numbers?
HolyHangrenade - You are so right. The majority of the debt is due to two unfunded wars and unfunded tax cuts. German Gem is just trying to find a new sugar daddy. She has no argument as Kannin professes.
holyha....you are SOOO WRONG!! It is now obama's war, he said he would end it, then he increased it...more troops go over every day. More troops die every day!!! He said all troops would be home for Christmas.....more lies!! This is obama's Vietnam!!
News today...obama is "struggling" with the question of ARE U BETTER OFF NOW OR 4 YR. AGO!!
That is a yes or no question!! How do you struggle with a yes or no question??
Clint Eastwood summed it all up in 10 minutes!! No One can afford another 4 years of this Craziness!!
BozoHussan==NBC=GE= Chicago MOBpolitics=lie,cheat, steal ,twist every crises to benefit your Pravda Press PROPAGANDA!!
Kannin, may i suggest a math class and maybe some real research as to numbers and time line. For example, did you know that every president is stuck with the last presidents budget for one full year? Do you understand that the Bush tax cuts are still in effect and hindering progress? I'm betting neither you or GermanGem have ever givin anything much thought. You live by emotion not logic. You fall into this twisted concept of life like border joe who does not blame the guy who started the 2 wars, but blames the guy who ended one and is working on the second. either you are just a common troll or you really need to do some soul searching.
And border joe, Eastwood IS crazy. And nobody wants anything to do with him other than his movies.
Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? - Forbes
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Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Marketwatch is reporting that our president has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.
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Democrats are ALWAYS the most frugal! Just research, which party spends the most!
Time for Paul Ryan to shut the F**** up, and get into the debates with JoeBiden. He will be able to THROW BACK AT HIM ALL HIS NASTY INSULTS.
"News today...obama is "struggling" with the question of ARE U BETTER OFF NOW OR 4 YR. AGO!!"
Obama is "struggling"?? What a load of BS that is.
We are better off, because we no longer are losing 7000 jobs per month, instead creating new jobs.
We are better off because the economy is growing rather than contracting at 6%.
We are better off because the DOW is up over 5,000 points in the last 4 years.
We are better off, because Osama is dead and GM is alive.
We are better off, because we no longer are fighting war in Iraq and spending billions of dollars of US tax payers’ money there.
We are better off because we now have a well defined policy in Afghanistan, and we have dismantled the Al-Quada.
We are better off, because we have a president who is working to build the middle class everyday.
Yes, but more work needs to be done but we are much better off that we were in 2008.
"here are approximately 116,011,000 households in the United States It's simple math therefore that each household will have to pony up an average of $135,471 to pay the current $15.716 trillion debt."
I'm in the first wave of the baby boom generation -- born in early 1946. It took from 1945 to 1996 to pay off the debt from my parent's generation. That's the way it works -- you build for the future. A nation holding long term debt building for the future is not all that different from a family holding a 30 year mortgage.
Remember -- in 1945 the national debt was approximately 115% of GDP. To that debt we added the interstate highway system, the space program, and countless schools, hospitals, water systems and similar projects. We paid all of that debt off over the years.The debt today in relationship to GDP is lower than it was in 1945. Yes -- the next generation will pay this debt just like I did for my parent's generation. That's the way it's always worked in this nation.
No Obama has not failed every American, his cronies have done just fine under his presidency. But Obama did lie through his teeth when he said he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Instead Obama more then doubled the deficit, and we have now added more to our national debt in just four years then any previous president added in eight. Of course the party of blame and excuses say it is all the Republicans fault. Blame, excuses, and no responsibility, how convenient for Obama.
Inherited- 1. To transfer property to an heir 2. a. To receive by the laws of
inheritance upon an ancestor's death, b. to receive by bequest. 3. To receive
as by inheritance from a predecessor. 4. To have by heredity.
Then Senator and Presidential candidate Obama spent $740.6 million out of a
total $1.7 billion spent by ALL presidential candidates in the 2008 election.
This amount alone was considerably more than the paltry $646.7 million that
John Kerry and George Bush Spent ALTOGETHER in 2004 (reference FEC records as
of december 2008).
The point to these two pieces of disparate information is to allow you to see
that there is no possible way to correctly apply the term, "Inherit,"
to the manner in which Senator Obama became President Obama. He inherited
nothing. In whatever condition the nation's affairs were when he took the
reins, he sought, bought and paid more for that privilege than ANY other person
in the history of this nation. To which, instead of being "focused like a
laser" on jobs as he promised, he chose to focus on the ACA. One idea
costs the taxpayers, the other would had provided revenue and a positive impact
on GDP. Instead of "shovel ready jobs", he authorized the printing of
100s of millions of US currency with absolutely nothing to back it up thus
deflating the dollar at a rate only overshadowed by the great depression.
Instead of being "the great uniter" he drove a wedge between rich and
poor, workers and employers, dems and repubs. These were his responsibilities
and his promises.
Charlie
Excellent post!!
I was born in 1951. It seems that the younger folks just don't get it. They grew up with all the stuff already built. They don't drive on the dirt roads, or have to wait 10 years for a phone line to be put in (like my family), we had two TV stations and were the only family around to even have a TV. I spent summers with my grandparents who didn't have electricity until my grandfather retired and they moved into town.
It seems they think these things just 'grow on trees'. Sigh......
AKSabin
Wow, what a way to try to deflect. Whether or not you agree with the word 'inherit' the plain fact is that every president has the policies and debt/deficit created by the previous administration to deal with. We don't just wipe the slate clean with every new president.
Your 'logic' is simply irrational.
dsb,
Sorry, but the only one irrational in this conversation is you. Nowhere in my statement was it infered that a "slate gets wiped clean" when someone takes office. What you failed to comprehend is that the person who "seeks" the office of the Presedency does so with eyes wide open and full predisposition of all the"issues" that it includes. To continue the arguement that the current president somehow was unaware af the condition of the state of the nation only ratifies the fact that he was ill prepared and unsuited for the office in the first place. Furthermore, your attempt to "deflect" the facts by inserting an assumption only proves your biased frailty.
FACTS' TYPE National debt for each president when left office. Facts
AK Sabin;
When President Obama started seeking teh presidency the s***t had not hit the fan yet. The campaign promises he made before the end of September were fully keepable. Everything changed at the end of Sep 2008. You and I and everyone else knew that the game had changed and eveything that was said and done in both campaigns before that was pretty much irrelevant.
they certainly have not been frugal with MY money!
Ryan is an egregious liar. His mother should have had an abortion.
I wonder who started this mess? W The Clown.
One of the first things President Obama did was to put ON budget, the cost of the wars and the cost of the 2001, 2003 tax cuts. These were OFF BUDGET items under President Bush (i.e. hidden) so of course, it appears that President Obama's budget is higher.
If Obama knew his budget would be higher, why did he say that he would cut the deficit in half? If he didn't know, doesn't that admit to fiscal incompetence?
Obama lied, the economy died.
We haven't had a budget since Obama has been president. Nor will we ever have a budget as long as he remains president. That is a travesty and treason.
Dubya lied, thousands (real people) died!
Are you calling Dubya out for 8, count 'em 8 years, of NO BUDGET!..Spending, spending on the credit card!
Remember, Dick and his 'deficits don't matter' comment.........
German, it's very apparent that you don't have a complete sentence in you! You're just one of the "Obama haters" and have no clue about books, the economy, nothing. You're a sound-bite thing ... how on earth do you communicate in every day life? In little words???? And sound bites?????
Hey German Gem your way of thinking would have been a big hit in Germain IN 1933 to 1945
German - Try coming up with something intelligent..you are making an asz of yourself with all your little cheerleader chants. And I'm piszed at myself for taking the time to gloss over such juvenile bull
Kannin, NO, it has not been done yet because of over 100 filibusters. I think it's called OBSTRUCTIONISM by the empty chair party.
The deficit under Obama has been lower than under Bush but the debt is increasing due to......wars, the donut hole, and tax cuts! Until the tax cuts end and the wars are reduced and medicare is properly addressed such as the 720 billion reductions in costs to be applied to critical areas which will eventually reduce medicare costs, we will continue to sink!
No Obama has not failed every American, his cronies have done just fine under his presidency. But Obama did lie through his teeth when he said he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Instead Obama more then doubled the deficit, and we have now added more to our national debt in just four years then any previous president added in eight. Of course the party of blame and excuses say it is all the Republicans fault. Blame, excuses, and no responsibility, how convenient for Obama.
Rick
I'm quite sure the President didn't count on the fact that the Repubs in Congress would obstruct his every move. He hadeveryright (as did we, the people) to assume that Congress would DO THEIR JOB for the country. But when the so-called 'loyal opposition' decides to sink the country in the name of political power we, the people must lay the blame at their feet.
I'm quite sure had the sitituation been reversed you Repubs would be screaming your heads off.
You don't like the President, for whatever reason, but at least just admit it and stop with the lies to justify your hate. The numbers don't lie. The Repubs sold us out.
Not one of the men named above have denied the meeting or the statements made. In fact McConnell fully admitted in an interview that ensuring that the President was a one-term president was his 'only political goal'.
The simple fact that your kind refuse to see the truth absolutely astounds me.
GOP where are the $25 doctors you can get with the voucher? And does this apply to you? And who are we going to go to war with to fix the ecomony?
You're right...he didn't cut the deficit by 50%.
He'll have cut it about 35% to 40%...and that's if you're being kind when considering that the Bush budget deficit wasn't an accurate portrayal of actual projected spending.
In 2009 (Bush's last budget), the budget deficit was 1,413 billion. FYI, that didn't include taking into account funding for the 2 wars we were fighting AND the Bush Tax cuts.
For 2013 (Obama's last budget), it will be about 900 billion...and that DOES take into account the spending for both wars.
People realize that cutting the budget defecit doesn't mean cutting our debt, right? Obama did not promise to reduce the national debt by 50%.....
To those who take issue: Realize I am in no way shape or form a democrat. Or a repub. I'm registered independant have have voted for both parties in the past.
I'm not thrilled with the speed at which recovery is occuring, either. I think Obama over-reached with the AHCA, using up valuable political capital that probably should have been used on further economic policy changes. Instead, he gave the Repubs, who decided to play the part of obstructionists, justification for doing just that...and ammunition to shoot down any GOOD idea that came after.
But I"m not sure going back to the policies of previous presidents...policies like trickle down economics (which REAGAN abandoned, and Bush II further proved don't work), massive deregulation (which actually started under Clinton) or tax cuts for those making more than 250k (because they do NOT re-invest them into the economy)..is the best idea, either.
I'm one of those undecided voters. But I'm not choosing between Romney and Obama. I'm choosing between Obama and an indie or write in candidate (and let me tell you..Obama's not in the lead right now). I might have voted for Romney the relative moderate centrist Republican governor of MA. I won't vote for the candidate the Repub party created because they think it's who the base might possibly vote for.
GermanGem 6.2:
The economy was on its deathbed way before Obama was even elected, thanks to the Repulsicans.
You just don't get it, do you..............
Lyin' Ryan will turn into Cryin' Ryan after an Election Day defeat. Can't wait.
Who cares what Mitten's and the GOP liar machine have to say. I mean really!!!!!!!!
OBAMA 2012!!!!
We all should care. Many hear the lies but not the fact checks. Kind of like newspapers who printed lies on the front page but retractions got printed on the back page in very small print. The damage is done. Just read the posts here and on other sites. Many, many actually believe the lies and try to defend them.
J-860182
Who cares what Mitten's and the GOP liar machine have to say. I mean really!!!!!!!!
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Right on, and Ryan can just be quiet....shush!
Obama, 2012!!!
What are you righties complaining about the debt for? Was it not your own Dick Cheney who said deficits dont matter........
gdale6 – That makes no sense at all. Are you are saying that deficits are a good thing? Or they're only good if Obama does it? Or Obama should do it as long as Cheney did it first? Or ... what?
Actually gdate6 is saying that it's sanctimonious nonsense for Republicans to trash President Obama for his contribution to the deficit when they eagerly complied with increases in the deficit under President Bush's (both) and President Reagan's administrations. They are applying a double standard and expect no one to notice.
Matthew - Obama's performance should be judged on the effect it has had on the nation. It is meaningless to try to say his performance in any way depends on what someone else has done - whether it be Bush, Reagan or Clyde Strunge.
How is it meaningless to say that any President's performance does not depend on what someone else has done? Especially when our laws and Constitution deliberately restrict the powers of the President and the extent of his individual effect on the nation.
Logically extending your statement, Congress would not be responsible for anything and neither would the SCOTUS.
Logically extending your statement, the President would be solely responsible for things like gas prices (and we both know that's not true).
You can do better ... but let me rephrase so that it will be more difficult to misunderstand: It is meaningless to try to say his performance may be judged only as being better or worse than that of some other arbitrary person. Better?
So I guess there is no need for the election then, since a judgement that another arbitrary person's performance can be better than the current President's is a meaningless discussion . . .
That said, any qualitative/quantitative measure requires a comparison point otherwise the descriptive could be basically meaningless. So no, I respectfully disagree with your statement.
Rationale and examples - What does "cold"mean? When speaking personally, the comparison point is how I feel in relation to a previous experience with temperature such as "the water seems colder than yesterday." When speaking analytically I'd use a specific and quantifiable reference such as "the water is colder than 45 degrees F."
Actually all the talk about the deficit is a straw man. It is used by the republicans in the hope of scaring people into allowing them to privatize Social Security. They have stolen, and/or reduced most of the inbound tax revenues, and they simply can't stand to see that amount of raw money coming into the government coffers in a fashion that prohibits them from stealing it. Their intention is to get it, invest it in some wall street scheme, give the payers a paper voucher to hold until time to claim their money, whereupon, the legal recipients will be told; sorry, most of your contributions were lost due to the bottom dropping out of the stock it was invested in. This is the republican way. The republicans have voted against and blocked the Presidents proposals for jobs, infrastructure improvement, Healthcare, etc., not because these were bad policy, but because they knew these would indeed work, and would improve the welfare of the middle class and poor. Republicans can't have that. Can't control people who actually know better than their lies. If and when the country actually begins to pay down the deficit through tax revenues produced through jobs, consumer spending and production, the republicans will soil their drawers in despair. I have little doubt about the re-election of the President. Fact, most, or, maybe all, of the "Red state" republican hierarchy of the Southern states have recently been told by national republican leaders to be prepared for the President to win re-election. I am concerned though about holding the senate, and ridding the country of the goofy tea bagging republicans in the US House. Maybe in 2014!
The republican party has only one enemy. An informed population.
No Obama has not failed every American, his cronies have done just fine under his presidency. But Obama did lie through his teeth when he said he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Instead Obama more then doubled the deficit, and we have now added more to our national debt in just four years then any previous president added in eight. Of course the party of blame and excuses say it is all the Republicans fault. Blame, excuses, and no responsibility, how convenient for Obama.
Don't you just hate it when Obama put the money from your 2 wars and tax cuts on the books where everyone can see what you did to our country?
Don't you just hate it that even in spite of all of your filibusters, hostage taking, and extortion the economy still is growing with 29 months of jobs growth?
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible." Alistair Lewis
The point isn't the comparison between Obama and past presidents.
The point is the hypocrisy of those crying foul of Obama when the candidates they supported/support have done the exact same things (and have done so with little to no backlash or remorse)...some of them to a much larger extent.
Cheney's point was that deficits don't matter to voters. They should be a non-issue in a campaign. He was poo pooing their importance. The RNC echoed the same sentiment at the time.
Yet the Republican machine, now that their guy isn't in power, seems to have changed it's tune.
Given some of the conversations here (and the apparent confusion over budget deficits, total spending, and national debt)....Cheney may have been right..though maybe not for the reasons he thought.
At what point will Obama take responsibility for the economy?
He'll take responsibility only when voters send him packing in November.
When will the Repubs take responsibility for the programs that busted the budget under Bush?? When will the Repubs take responsibility for blocking everything that Could and Would have helped us out of this recession? When will the Repubs take responsibility for all of their lies?
Answer from the Repubs: What Bush, What blocking, what Lies? because they have intentionally forgotten or deny that these things happened when it is BLATANTLY clear that these are truths and are plenty of places that show these truths on the internet and in print. They LIVE in a made up fantasy world that totally denies facts and history and expect everybody else to follow them like the Pied Piper. The Repub Convention showed that very clearly, the best entertainment that they could come up with is an Angty Old Man with Dementia Yelling at an empty chair thinking it is an Uppity Negro...with no attachment to truth anywhere along the way!
America is NOT that stupid anymore, we learned under Bush and we will NOT forget.
he didn't break it, why should he take the blame for people like you? make the republicans get out of his way and he can fix it. But you know that wont happen. Read a little history, the Empty chair party aka republican party, swore to kill SS and Medicare from the day they were made law. Workers comp and unemployment insurance is next, then they will end the VA, Read the works of Ryan's favorite author "Ayn Rand" And know the future that republicans want. If you want it too, they you are also a traitor to the American dream and it's people. Just a hint, she wrote about the VIRTUES of selfishness. Ryan makes all his workers read it. "atlas shruged" is the book he loves the most.
Obama has taken a lot of responsibility for the economy and the debt. The Republicans are fighting hard to stop the "good deal" they made which ends the tax cuts and decreases the debt by 4trillion. The Republicans are desperate to end that automatic budget starting in Jan 2013. You can hear the cries from all over the U.S. to the tune of $1 billion spent on the election. Must be the "pay now, save paying taxes later plan" or the "let someone else pay the taxes plan".
No Obama has not failed every American, his cronies have done just fine under his presidency. But Obama did lie through his teeth when he said he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Instead Obama more then doubled the deficit, and we have now added more to our national debt in just four years then any previous president added in eight. Of course the party of blame and excuses say it is all the Republicans fault. Blame, excuses, and no responsibility, how convenient for Obama.
GG, you are decidedly delusional. The republicans took credit (and continue to do so) for the economic boom under Clinton. For EIGHT years they claimed that Reagan's policies were responsible for the roaring economy. You can't have it both way except by your oh so twisted republican twisted logic.
GermanGem (#10):
Why should he, when it was GWB's (and the Republicans' fault?????????
Never U dumbass now shut the hell up and go make your Porno Flick.
Thank you frespech!! Best post of the day!!!
Two candidates had specific plans to cut our deficit next year. Ron Paul and Gary Johsnon. You still have a chance to vote for Gary Johnson in this election. Face it America, you CAN NOT fix our debt problems with more war, more spending and thats what you get with Obamney.
Gary Johnson 2012. Bring our troops home and lets start making some cuts.
I have worked directly with Gary Johnson. I am unimpressed with his skills as anything other than a cynical politician.
kannin, you have never WORKED with anyone.
lyin Ryan seems to ignore Bohner being a roadblock to any progress.
Rock Center / Jeff Benedict by Brian Williams
In the interview with Jeff Benedict, Mr. Benedict says the way he does business is how he has been programmed by the Mormon Church. Do we want a President that has been programmed by his faith? I don't want a President that lets his faith dictate what he does as our President. I am not Mormon or for that matter conceder myself of any faith. I believe in God but I don't follow a cult of any faith. In the interview Mr. Benedict (CEO of Jet Blue) says polygamy was what god wanted at the time. Who has said God does not want it now? Who will change it if the Mormon Church decides it's that time again? It seems our President has Executive Power over us and can do what he wants when he wants. Will this be another court case the tax payers will have to pay for? I'm not willing to find out what Mr. Romney has planed for this country or the Mormon Church! I posted a comment a couple of weeks ago about Saturday worship of Mormons/Later day Saints and how it is against their religion to work on Saturday but will work on Sunday. At a time of this country when it shouldn't matter what day it is, how can we afford to have a president that will tell us don't call me on Saturday? Only a cult would program it's people and admit to it!
OK Confussed-1578043 so Mormons are out. Which religions would Democrats like you allow to be President?
Church and State need to be separate. A church that punishes you for working on Saturday is fine if you run your own company but not if you work for others that depend on you being able to do what needs to be done 24/7. I could careless if he is Mormon. If he says he will be there on Saturday I am fine with that also. It means he puts us before his faith and that's why church and state are separate.
Based on this blog, libs hate Christians and Jews and only support Muslims.
I'm a born-again Christian Mukwa, with Jewish in-laws and friends that are Muslim.
Next?
Obama/Biden ... where the color of your skin doesn't matter, nor does your faith.
Next? You aren't new to this blog! The libs on this blog spew their hatred for God, Christians and Jews every single day. Seems your quick to stand for your fellow libs, yet silent for God when they spew.
Obama / Biden....where color or your skin DOES matter and so does your faith.
Silent for God? Is it just me or is there a separation of church and state? Did I miss the First Amendment somewhere???? So much for your "grouping" of people. I believe in free will (look it up) which means ALL have a right to choose. I love all of my fellowman. Is it supposed to be my "goal" on FR to convert???? Make a statement or an accusation. Until then, cork it.
Obama/Biden - where the First Amendment COUNTS
ONLY the GOP and TP are concerned with the color of your skin and your faith. The only complaint that we have with Mitt's religion is that with his policies he intends to push his cult faith of absolute control on the rest of us. THAT is what we complain about.
Liberal are God Loving, accepting of ANY and ALL religions, or No religion, we just hold to the Constitution that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'. Whereas the Repubs/TPers would ban Muslims, Wiccans and others and have been trying to pass laws in the House based on religion or having to do with religion in this session of Congress.
So far the Dems are the ones supporting the Constitution, the Repubs want to rewrite it for their own enrichment and power.
Kannin, Americans are mostly Christians, we don't believe in polygamy. POLY from the Greek word for MANY. GAMY from the Greek word that means intercourse. Christians, Jews and Muslims believe that to be sinful.
Confussed, that should read confused, Mormons do not work on Sundays save for the tasks they are required to do in the course of the day. We set aside that day for worship and scripture study, I have no problem working Saturdays, you must have us Mormons confused with someone else, maybe the Seventh Day Adventist. Still, your comments reflect your lack of any knowledge pertinent to the discussions on this board, obfuscate if you feel it necessary, abstention from posting anything at all would be preferred.
Who the hell is going to listen to a MUKWA.
No deficits are not good in long run. If John McCain had gotten in an run them up there would be no cry from the right about deficits and debt. Since your man is not in the White House most of the cries come from the right. Given the depth of the recession and verified facts Obama has really only increased spending 200 bil a year over Bush. Real facts are facts.
Obama's recklass spending racked up the deficit.
Troll or just dumb?
German...after reading several post, I must agree that your ignorance would best be served by your departure. You are perpetuating obvious and proven lies, must be at that faux news radiation that you have been exposed to. Still, stick around and post if broadcasting your lack of understanding or knowledge grants you what it takes to sleep well at night, you see, I have no problem simply ignoring you as in not worth reading.
No Obama has not failed every American, his cronies have done just fine under his presidency. But Obama did lie through his teeth when he said he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Instead Obama more then doubled the deficit, and we have now added more to our national debt in just four years then any previous president added in eight. Of course the party of blame and excuses say it is all the Republicans fault. Blame, excuses, and no responsibility, how convenient for Obama.
America really doesn't have to worry about Russia,al-Qaeda,or if Iran is capable of building nuclear weapons when you have the Rethuglicans destroying the country from within. They are the biggest drawback this country has ever seen. TRAITORS.
Rich 711 (#14.5)
That is EXACTLY the point. The Repulsicans are striving to do that--look at what they've focused on in the two years they've controlled Congress: NOT helping the economy, NOT doing anything constructive, STEPPING all over the middle class and poor to keep control of them and everyone else, and determined to make all Americans Puritans again. And they talk about the Democrats "trying to take away our freedoms"? W-h-a-t???????
The Republicans Greatest Practical Joke on the American Citizens.
Following the "debased inaugural diners conspiring to overthrow elected government", we can just assume that they succeeded. Indeed it is very plausible to interpret everything as largely successful. Before the administration began; first the TARP & Stimulus; the TARP was born in the financial community, saving jobs for the financial and banker CEO's, approved effectively by all, but none the less approval was redacted as we are informed; The Stimulus was born of the same familiar history copied from the Bush past, but cleverly undermined, except to be passed by Democratic majority, again plausible deniability. The protracted health care plan was passed by absorbing very suggestion of the Republicans and Industry, but lacking the vitality of cutting the total cost.
Then the credit rating debacle was high drama, to make key a budget fiasco at some future date, and to cement the Bush legacy, and this theme.
It is not at all a hard recognition that all of the Bush Policies were alive and well and living under a beleaguered by the audacious surprise attack plan lodged against an American President, unprecedented as it remains traitorous.
The effect is very simple to describe, the Republicans should not be criticizing the current administration in the least, in fact they should just embrace these past four years are not Obamas at all, but Bush's 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th years.
pause, pause, pause
The current administration with the few and largely insignificant appointments, and progressive nothingness's social issues, the country's financial house is the same as intended by Bush's handers, in fact it a simple case that the FED has bailed out the stock market, not for the sake of 401 pensions, but otherwise the CEO game would have folded.
The thing that makes this plausible is the fact that Bush's elections were both purchased and assured by a Brooks Brother's riot. Also recall that the Clinton polices was molded to conform to Bush's Sr., that in turn followed those of Reagan's handlers.
It's by no means the beginning the '80s financial derailment of the economic system, it may be matter of interpretation as the exact sequence of facts but the policies have changed, and fiscal chaos has ensued, the effects are seen, the conditions developed are visible and measurable.
I will let you guess how the US reacted to the '70 oil embargo, with a military tract, but remember the transfer of wealth from the US to the oil producing companies on it merry chase to the finance houses of world. Hum; Oil, Military, Finance, can't guess who fooling who, but I do know that we'd better not know.
The only thing you need to know is that energy is the king maker and it’s the kings maker's money we're paying through the nose to keep king maker in power.
The National Debt is little more than all the losses written off by all the failed Corporations, plundered by venture capitalist, using the financial and tax system. Romney Losses?
Obama spent more in 3.5 years than Bush spent in 8, and the U.S. economy is TRASHED.
uh Rich, fyi Obama has been the President for the last 3.5 years, not Bush.
Obama told us he'd be responsible for the happenings of his Presidency when he told Matt Lauer that he'd be a one-term President if he didn't fix the economy in three years.
Time up and game over. Next!
CubsFan, having fun NOT winning a title for another year yet again? Your GOP legacy of D. Eisenhower, A. Lincoln and T Roosevelt have been tossed aside for the likes of Boehner, Palin, Bachmann, Romney and Ryan. You should be ashamed for your 'NEW' GOP tarnishing what WAS respected as good government. Fact is, the 1st 3 would never make it in today's GOP, let alone the Presidency, how sad and pathetic is that? Btw, the economy HAS turned around, but in your misery over the Cubs, your eyes must be 'watering' too much to see straight.
GG the only thing trashed around here are your brain cells. Maybe a little too much coke.
GG is a Stepford Robot or Nazi Youth Zombie (or just a Right Wing Mature Porn Wanabe).
Plus she lies. Why don't you hook up with Lyin' Ryan, Honey???
Paul Ryan killed every attempt Obama made to pay down that debt. He should be staked to a fire ant mound for behaving like this.
Ryan as a Congressman was more powerful than Obama as President. Doesn't say much for Obama...
Says a lot for the Constitution that it has checks and balances via the three branches of government to keep any one person (or branch) from becoming a dictator.
All by himself? You agree with that, Matthew?
Negative Kannin. That's not a factual statement. He was not solely to blame.
However, Rep. Ryan IS directly responsible for his part in and of the deliberate obstructionism that negatively impacted our economy. He is also directly responsible for the leadership role he played in advocating the obstruction.
'K Mathew, good enough. (Note, I didn't ask your opinion of the fire ant suggestion)
Now: "deliberate obstructionism" If Democrats block legislation that is anathema to their vision of America, is that "deliberate obstructionism" or, perhaps, "being true to their principles"?
I would suggest that if a party blocks legislation that is an anathema to their "vision" then that is "being true." However, when a party effectively and deliberately plans to block legislation in advance of it even being proposed, that's obstructionism.
Example - blocking a submitted jobs bill because it defunds PPACA and has a personhood amendment attached to it can be "being true." Blocking a jobs bill because you believe it to be a burden on small business can be "being true."
Example - meeting when the new President is inaugurated and making a group decision to stop any Presdiential policy, regardless of what it is, is obstruction. Publically stating that this is (sic) what you are doing because the top priority is making the President a one-termer when you ran on jobs, jobs, jobs . . .
Source?
Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives"
Per the book, invited attendees at this meeting were:
Frank Luntz
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX)
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX)
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA)
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R)
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R)
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R)
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R)
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R)
Newt Gingrich
Matthew - I don't have that book. Please quote for me the wording of the "decision to stop any Presidential policy, regardless of what it is"
No hurry - I have to go out for a while. Thanks.
Kannin. does it hurt to live in your world. I know that you know the truth, so I ask why are you as intent on hurting America as republican party members? Keep in mind, republicans claim we are a republic, well so is china, russia, Iran, North Korea, cuba etc. your evil will not go unpunished. If you dont understand, no worries, God will explain, he is in charge of the punishment.
Kannin - here are some excerpts from page xix of the prologue to Mr. Draper's book. Understand that these are only a few quotes. In the book Mr. Draper takes MANY congressmen (and their aides) to task.
"The dinner lasted nearly four hours. They parted company almost giddily. The Republicans had agreed on a way forward:"
"Show united and unyeilding opposition to the President's economic policies. (Eight days later, Minority Whip Cantor would hold the House Republicans to a unanimous No against Obama's economic sitmulous plan.)
"You will remember this day," Newt Gingrinch proclaimed to the others as they said goodby. "You'll remember this day as the seeds of 2012 were sown."
Read the article 'Party of No' in Time magazine's September 3 issue (with Romney on cover). Also the book by Michael Gruwald called 'The New New Deal'
Kannin, 3 separate but equal branches of government.
You dumbass Republicans blame the Democratic congress for everything when you have a Republican President.
Then have the audacity to excuse them for everything while there is a Democratic President in office.
thanks ryan we dont need your bull crap.you help already.....your nick name should be ...already...already to do your crap again
Mormon or Moron? I choose the Mormon. ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
Joe, As a lifelong Mormon from seven generations of Mormons. My name sake drove mule teams that hauled quarry stone when the Salt Lake City Temple was built, they were the pioneers who helped open up the West and colonize much of what is now Idaho, Utah, Nevada and Arizona. Romney's publicly televised lies should have been enough to have him excommunicated, I have know of other Mormons kicked out from the church for much lesser offenses than what Romney is guilty of doing publicly. I would not vote for Romney nor any of the other politicians he surrounds himself with. Even when he is not personally lying, his silence perpetuates those lies...a man of honor and integrity would call those lies out. I do not agree with John McCain, yet I believe him to have more integrity in his pinky finger than Romney could ever stuff in his bloated self important face at one time. For Romney it would be like drinking so much water after coming from the desert that it would kill him. He does not know what integrity means.
Hey Joe, and you will get two morons free of charge!
Mormon or Muslim? I will take the Mormon. ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
Joe, get a new line, this one is worn out and McCain will even call you out on this one you pathetic little man.
American or Kenyan? I will be voting for the American. ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
JoeThomas-Low Life Troll
You idiot trolls are all over the place tonight. Tell you what, go back to faux. They like ignorant troll types like you.
troll diagnoses. Munchhausen related personality disorder. thats what makes them troll lol. read up on it, it will be worth a laugh and a head scratching lol
Joe, I see shock-therapy for that napoleonism complex hasn't gone too well for you. Better hurry up and get a new doc to cover that now, or you'll be stuck still eating pablum in that high chair under Romney's plan.
Paul Ryan is very big into health and fitness -- he is totalyl FAcT Free! . Could not help but notice that Fox news coverage of the Democratic Convention made sure to not bradcast the best speakers and most effective speechs. They wanted to avoid any chance that thier audeince might actually hear or see any thing true or facted based -- afraid they might realize that all the "facts' they have been force-feeding their views is really BS -- Hanniry for example -- cut off the audio and picture during the speech by both the Governors of MA and Delware. Say what you will about the Lib-biazi\se media -- bit MSNBC did not do that -- they showed every speech and speaker @ thre GOP convention last week. And i thought Fox was "Fair and Balnced".?.NOT
Joe Thomas is exactly why the Republicans should be disqualified from these elections.
Why are they wearing long sleeve shirts with the arms rolled up as if they are going to work? What is wrong with short sleeve shirts in the summer? Both Romney and Ryan are guilty of this. It amazes me how they can try to pass themselves off as regular folks or working people white collar or blue. These two have never been more out of touch than anyone ever before. I love the fact Romney thinks he is running for the head of a company and has even stated as much, "I want to get this company working again." I may be wrong about the exact words but not the word company!
you're Confussed alright lol
confused I believe I have seen obama with long sleeves that are rolled up......pay attention much?
Obama's old plan- spend, spend, spend
Obama's new plan- tax, tax, tax
Dumbass here you go again-2 unpaid for wars and a prescription drug benefit all at the same time as Bush cut taxes. Even someone as stupid as you should understand if you cut revenue it is harder to balance the spending side of a ledger sheet. All taxes should go back to pre Bush levels.
So this is where you all went! Shame on you, Gem, Feisty, and the rest of ya for leaving me all alone on the last article!
Feisty, since you left without answering me, should I copy/paste my last post to you, or will you go back to respond to it where it is?
Ryan's correct that this is one of Obama's worst broken promises. But it's difficult to even make a pick when you've got so many to choose from. The VAT, the capital gains tax, taxes on those making less than 250K, earmarks, halfing the deficit, etc.
Paul Ryan is exactly right. Don't hold your breathe for fiesty, she's probabaly off the clock by now.
Now I get it, German Gem, not only are you so confused, you can't spell either. Paul Ryan is a liar and FOX called him out on it ... let me help you little one ...
Breath and Feisty. If you're going to insult some one, try and do it correctly. You do know you can actually spell-check your posts??????
Obama/Biden - In support of Lilly Ledbetter!!!!!
That is what happens, when the little doggie bitch is in heat!
Little Miss Fraulein is so enamored with her flirt in a skirt routine, she can't think straight!
How sad, someone has to troll a political web-site looking for horny trolls to give her confirmation! lmao
Wow, nice to see that Feisty and Layton are ready for some serious political discourse, isn't it? No wonder it's so easy to work with the Democrats in Congress.
Feisty, instead of showing everyone how petty you are, how about responding to the post I gave you over thirty minutes ago? You remember: that conversation we were in that you chose to ditch as soon as this article came up? You know, it's bad manners to run away from an argument when you know you're losing. :-)
Ummm... I already did... sorry if YOU didn't like my response but it's not MY problem!
Sorry if no one if picking up the BS you're laying down! ☺
Stick to things you do best, like sniffing bleached blonds hoo-ha's!
Cause, I'm sorry little buddy, you are TOTALLY out of your league when it comes to debating!
CubsFan - It is important to remember that Feisty's posts are exactly what her logo says they are. She didn't answer you sooner because she had to feed her cats. That's the only real job she has.
Hi Feisty (waves)
Mr. Ryan's lies seem to be catching up with him. I think I heard on NPR or read on the The Maddow Blog that his public opinion polling is shrinking fast. So much for the convention bump! The lying GOPers are running scared trying to deflect from the truth being told in Charlotte!
Seamus/Lassie 2012 (Thanks Feisty) Still funny after all these months!
PS. ordered my free Obama bump sticker today. It will look so good on my car!
Feisty - Michelle is about to speak. Loved Deval Patrick tonight. I am fired up and proud to be a Democrat.
Hey Cubs Fan, how about you back someone that actually votes his conscious and has a spine???
No can do?
So feisty what's your excuse? Troll much?
Ryan got his shirt at wal-mart..because he is an off shore American
"Incomplete"? REPLACE FOR SURE. EVEN BIDEN WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
And another worthless troll heard from. Go back to the faux boards where you're welcome. You're not welcome here. Adults are speaking troll.