Republicans in Charlotte pounce on Obama's 'incomplete' grade

 

CHARLOTTE, NC -- Republicans gathered here to counter the Democratic National Convention seized Tuesday on President Barack Obama's self-grade of "incomplete" after his first term.

Picking up on the grade the president gave himself with a Colorado television affiliate, a series of Republicans pounced during a press conference at at the Nascar Hall of Fame, where Republicans have set up camp during the DNC.

"I have a 10-year-old and a 14-year-old. I know if on their report card they came home with an incomplete that means they failed," said South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley.

The Romney campaign, backed by the RNC, is holding its own counter-convention in Charlotte this week, primarily challenging the president's record on the economy. Andrea Saul discusses.

When asked to grade his time in the Oval Office, the president told a local Colorado television station on Monday: "You know I would say incomplete ... but what I would say is the steps that we have taken in saving the auto industry, in making sure that college is more affordable and investing in clean energy and science and technology and research, those are all the things that we are going to need to grow over the long term."

Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, Rep. Tim Scott and former Deputy Administrator for the U.S. Small Business Administration Jovita Carranza also spoke at the press conference and all used it as an opportunity to slam the president's self assessment.

"When the president was asked what grade he would give himself, he obviously had a quick look at his report card and saw a big 'I' on it.  He thought the 'I' was for incomplete. The 'I' was for incompetent," said Sununu.

And tea party favorite Rep. Tim Scott (R-SC) was able to draw on some personal experience when giving his interpretation of the president's answer. 

"I understand an incomplete is a way to avoid a failing grade. As a freshman in high school, I flunked out," he said. "When you're in that situation you really want something that looks like an incomplete grade, but unfortunately what you get from the people who are actually grading you is a failed grade.  Our president was asked the question: Are we better off? It's a failed grade."

NBC's Savannah Guthrie and Meet The Press moderator David Gregory join Brian Williams to discuss this week's events at the Democratic National Convention.

Haley also addressed women's issues just hours before Democrats are set to kick off their convention. One of Tuesday night's most-watched speakers will be Michele Obama, who is expected to stress her husband's humble upbringing. The well-liked first lady has been one of the Obama campaign's strongest assets in appealing to women voters.

As Planned Parenthood held a rally just a block away, Haley attempted to downplay the notion that abortion rights issues have alienated women from the Republican party.

"Let me tell you about women.  Women are extremely smart.  Woman are extremely right.  We don't only think about contraception. We think about a lot more then contraception. I know pro-life women that are in the Democratic Party. I know pro-choice women that are in the Republican Party.  but I also know that all women care about their budgets, they care about their jobs, they care about the economy," she said.

David Goldman / AP

Democrats gather in Charlotte, N.C., to officially nominate President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden as the party's candidates for the 2012 presidential election.

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Comment author avatarFeisty Redhead Roselle, ILExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Never saw this coming...

OH the *HORROR*!!!

Face it, there isn't an answer out there which the President could of given that would of satisfied these rabid dogs!

PS: Anyone seen Willard today or did he get stranded on Gilligan's Island yesterday?

  • 43 votes
#1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:20 PM EDT
Comment author avatarJoAnnaSmith1Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The PR has just become an absolute mess for Obama. It's really hard to get good PR traction when you can't talk about the economy. Instead you end up with "The private sector, it's doing just fine.", and "You didn't build that!", and finally "You know I would say incomplete . . . ", and the media can only cover for so much for all of this failure and nonsense, sooner or later they just have shake their heads and start reporting it.

To be fair, Obama tried to at mitigate the last one with his long winded hand-waving explanation relating to the "long-term". But with Obama you can be assured of one thing, he'll talk of prosperity, but that prosperity will never get here.

  • 25 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:26 PM EDT
Comment author avatarMichael1969Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Holy Cow Coward DumbFux!

Is this THE most incompetent President we've EVER had or what?!?!

Hell, he's even beating Carter by a curly hair and dat aint no easy feat!

  • 14 votes
#1.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:27 PM EDT
Comment author avatarMichael1969Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

JoAnnaSmith1,

You have a beautiful way of putting the obvious for all! (Post 1.1)

You make Feisty DumbFux look like he/she is a window licker!

Keep up the great work ~ you have many fans!

  • 13 votes
#1.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:30 PM EDT
Comment author avatarMichael1969Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Face it, there isn't an answer out there which the President could of given that would of satisfied these rabid dogs

Maybe it's because he whittling away at American values and trashing our economy almost single-handedly.

Obama is a failure as president.

The bitch for you is that more Americans agree with me than you!

Romney/Ryan 2012 ~ Don't get used to the checks liberals!

  • 20 votes
#1.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:35 PM EDT
Comment author avatarCaesar Augustus-Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

in short talk is cheap. speaking of rabid dogs, i see the village idiot is first to post its vile garbage

  • 14 votes
#1.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

JAS1-

I heard a lot of talk about the economy today, what have you been listening too? Oh thats right, it's hard to get the real message when you filter everything through the distortion of the right-wing Romney surrogates.

I wonder if you have ever heard the President's actual words, or just the out-of-context echoes presented by the Republicans.

Talk about tough PR, how about the reviews of Paul Ryan's speech- even Fox News called him out for his lies.

How about the ratings for Romney's speech? Only 40% said it made them more likely to vote for him, an equal number said it made them less likely to vote for him. Not quite the bounce predicted by our Right-wing posters.

Maybe if Romney/Ryan would have spent less time lying about the President and more time giving people an actual reason to vote for them the results would have been different.

Paul Ryan - The Deficit? I Built That!

  • 16 votes
#1.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

Willard is out begging for more money. Because of the failed convention speech, he won't be able to get that much any more. Rich people are giving but they are not stupid. They want to buy influence and a losing presidential candidate has none. Zero. Money will be moved to governor, congressional and senate seats as well as many local campaigns but Willard? He is done.

  • 12 votes
#1.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

Ahh Yes! (as W.C. Fields would say), here we have the right wing slut JAS and her pimp Michael 1969 with their usual name calling and distortions. How bout making an intelligent argument for a change or at least retire to your trailers.

  • 11 votes
#1.8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:50 PM EDT

speaking of Myth Romney, aka Willard, this is very instructive re: how he made (ie, stole) his millions in the first place (and didn't give a rat's tiny tail about creating jobs):

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#1.9 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

JAS1, Michael, Caesar -

I would say the three stooges but you aren't very funny, more like the Gorgons from Greek mythology - mean and hateful, and almost blind to the truth.

You are an accurate reflection of the Republican party and it's candidate for president - full of lies and deceit about Preisdent Obama, but never offering any positive alternatives.

You will all find out that it is not enough to run against something or someone, you need to stand for something and give people something to believe in.

Romney will lose in November, and America will be better off for it.

  • 14 votes
#1.10 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:52 PM EDT
Comment author avatarCaesar Augustus-Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Oh TNSEVOL here let me recap some real fluffy loving comments

President could of given that would of satisfied these rabid dogs!

PS: Anyone seen Willard today or did he get stranded on Gilligan's Island yesterday?

Ahh Yes! (as W.C. Fields would say), here we have the right wing slut JAS and her pimp Michael 1969 with their usual name calling and distortions.

real nice shlt to say eh TNS? but TNS please tell us the positives of Obama. Blah blah bin laden GM. something like that. Hey riddle me this, how does killing Bin Laden decrease debt, unemployment and increase the GDP?

Seriously did you read what came out of Torpedo's manpleaser?

Yes clueless indeed you pavlovian little libby

  • 7 votes
#1.11 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

They are simply trolls,TNSEVOL. Not worth the time it takes to read what the post.

  • 11 votes
#1.12 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

yes listen to Newday, a real beacon of foresight that one is. Nah you guys have Torpedo, a real tough guy.

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

When is it time to start blaming Obama?? Or is it against the rules.

  • 10 votes
#1.14 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

I is for idiot OBOZO!

6 trillion in debt in 4 years, thats 20 THOUSANDdollars per person.

when him and his overspenders destroy the rich, YOU are next.

whats good for the goose, right?

ROMNEY 2012/2016

does anyone know how much paper the fed is holding trying to support the stock market???

didnt think so

1.4 million bankruptcys this year. GREAT JOB OBOZO!!!!

  • 8 votes
#1.15 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:34 PM EDT

Feisty - doesn't it seem the radical righties - JAS, Michael, Caesar - are all a bit more desperate since the Republican convention? I think they saw how shallow their candidates are and that they can't even excite their own base.

Plus, I'm still floored by how few minorities or young people were there. The GOP is dying a quick death with no one wanting to be part of it anymore.

Can't wait to see our First Lady and Tammy Duckworth today. It should be great!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 9 votes
#1.16 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

sure thing ss. when they have to bus people in to fill a stadium for the dem convention, sure is telling.

with the gop co reporting, the media wont be able to whitewash the abounding stupidity waiting!

SOOOO EXCITING!

if obozo does win, expect harder times. the worst.

count on it.

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:45 PM EDT
Comment author avatarFeisty Redhead Roselle, ILExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

JAS, Michael, Caesar - are all a bit more desperate since the Republican convention?

Seeking,

Snuffy has never been the same since she got out of rehab...

As for the other two nitwits... couldn't tell ya... I've had them on ignore for months, same @!$%# different day with those two! ☺

Makes the FR experience much more pleasurable.

But to get back to your point, yeah, you can smell the desperation oozing off of the RWNJ's!

Can't wait to see our First Lady and Tammy Duckworth today. It should be great!

Me either!

How great it will be to see what a true First Lady looks like rather than that phony Queen Annie!

  • 11 votes
#1.18 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:48 PM EDT

rightisright - you're just totally stupid, ya know????? The Republicans also used buses to take delegates to the Convention. What do you think - they all drove up separately in cars??? Can you say BUFFOON????

Ditto that, Feisty!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 10 votes
#1.19 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

How great it will be to see what a true First Lady looks like rather than that phony Queen Annie!

The only one phony on this post is you, you have a mouth but no brain - the only thing you bring to this table is just plane nastiness.......very becoming. Question: does your mama let you kiss her with that nasty mouth of yours?

  • 9 votes
#1.20 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:55 PM EDT

@feisty and her adoring fans. The reason Obama could not say anything to appease the masses is because there is nothing he has DONE to make a positive difference. Even GM is not really a win because dispite all the billions he just handed over they still had to go through bankruptcy and they still owe us several billion dollars.

If Obama could run on his record he would. This is no longer about conservative vs. liberal ideology. Our entire nation is about to go bankrupt. We need a leader who actually knows what he is doing. If you even want the option to vote for democrats in 10 years you better vote for Romney this year.

  • 8 votes
#1.21 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:55 PM EDT

ss, only a buffoon would vote for someone with no experience, no past, failed policies, no budget, trillions in debt and still think hes a good president.

lol at you.

and its funny how they allow you libs on the vine to be so vile and crass. cant hide the most devisive destructive presidency ever.

but....bafoons like him so

ive heard of that mob mentality before....hmmmm..........

  • 6 votes
#1.22 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:00 PM EDT

Feisty - doesn't it seem the radical righties - JAS, Michael, Caesar - are all a bit more desperate since the Republican convention? I think they saw how shallow their candidates are and that they can't even excite their own base.

desperate? Ah the ignorant poster child speaks to its Shlt Oracle Fisty. Sage advice from that trailer trash. Speaking of SSDD when o when is Bumwine drag queen ever, EVER gonna talk out of its piehole instead of its azz?

Rhino, Feisty and adoring fans? More like the Occutard cult of FR and the Dooshbags Temple.

  • 5 votes
#1.23 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

rightisright - nice try but you are still the top BUFFOON! When your post is shown to be totally idiotic you try to deflect your problems onto me. Not working but nice try!

Caesar - we've come to expect nothing but crude and factless from you since you don't have anything of value to add to any conversation. But, don't worry - Republicans love the crude, classless and ignorant!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 7 votes
#1.24 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:11 PM EDT

@Caesar, while I agree with your sentiment, lets elevate the dialogue a bit. This is a family show. If your communication is crude no one will believe you are smart.

food for thought.

  • 3 votes
#1.25 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:11 PM EDT

When asked to grade his time in the Oval Office, the president told a local Colorado television station on Monday: "You know I would say incomplete............I still have more of this country to destroy before I will be finished.

  • 10 votes
#1.26 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

Proof positive that Obams supporters are delusional, blind and ignorant. Today the national debt topped 16 trillion dollars, that means that each person in America now owes almost 140,000 dollars of debt. Then the food stamp numbers rose to 46.7 million, another Obama milestone. Sorry, his 'incomplete' should have been an F. Only useful idiots of the Lenin school are capable of supporting such a colossal failure.

Before you all start whining about Bush, ATM's, etc. the blame game is over. You rode that dead horse until it rotted away and along with the race card, your excuses for failure are so tired, shopworn and faded that they need to be retired along with your hero. Enough, we cannot afford four more years of his 'on the job' training.

Now, start collapsing posts, that's about all you're good for.

  • 9 votes
#1.27 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

@Feisty#1: Theses mutts aren't rabid. Rather mangy and distempered though. Pitiful pack of ill used beagle's yelping at a Tiger. They'll be gone soon enough. Meanwhile, Willard is hunkered down, likely in some ditch along the road to nowhere, hiding from His tax returns, hoping we don't find out He's really the Mormon version of "Bernie Madoff".

  • 4 votes
#1.28 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:31 PM EDT

Unlike the incomplete president whose record is so sterling, Romney at least has some experience? Flip-flopping from when Obama was senator under Bush to Obama as president is most revealing. You may support failure, however, the country can't. Do you pay taxes?

  • 5 votes
#1.29 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:35 PM EDT

OMG A straight talking humble man!

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#1.30 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:37 PM EDT

Before you all start whining about Bush, ATM's, etc. the blame game is over.

Mygirl1 -- you Republicans have a very short memory. From 1976 to 1992 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Carter of everything wrong in the entire universe. Then from 1992 to 2008 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Clinton for everything that was wrong in the entire universe. So – using the standard you set – the left has another 29 years to blame Bush for everything just to pull even with you.

  • 5 votes
#1.31 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:40 PM EDT

SeekingSanity

You never have anything but assumptions and accusations - your an empty senseless meathead! Oh, and you're just Feisty crude and smelly little dingleberry, too! You look to her to get your back only because you lack any personal confidence to stand on your own two feet, you probably live in a little dark corner of your mama's basement wearing nothing but you stained underwear!

Oh, btw that's just my assumption of you based on your posted useless and worthless sputtering. Actually, I've read many of your posts along with those of other so many other cretins and I keep waiting for something - a spark of intelligence maybe - but I see nothing redeeming in any of your posts - so I have decided to tell you this and then ignore you from now on as a waste of time - just like most everyone else is doing.

  • 5 votes
#1.32 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:44 PM EDT

The left doesn't need any reason to blame Bush or any other republican, they do it by instinct. Then again, are you conversant with Carter's record? What did his administration accomplish? He did create the Community Reinvestment Act, the little tidbit of legislation that led to the enormous housing bubble (it wasn't alone, mind you, it just set the ball rolling downhill) Then, are you aware of how it was Clinton that created the Al Quaeda of today's renown? Had Clinton not had his feet held to the fire by Gingrich, his record would be about as abysmal as Obamas.

  • 7 votes
#1.33 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

@mygirl1#1.29: Aw gwaddamn. Why don't you go back to entertaining "Frank Luntz" full time. Maybe read another comic book. There's a lot about you that's very revealing, but it's all too gwaddamn ugly to talk about. You asked me if I pay taxes. Do you squat or stand when you piss?

  • 4 votes
#1.34 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:57 PM EDT

Feisty - I think I saw a picture of Romney and some of his Republican buddies on beach in Louisiana.

  • 3 votes
#1.35 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

Mac Forrester

Do you squat or stand when you piss?

"Aw gwaddamn", let me ask you.....do you use toilet paper or do you just lick your fingers clean?

  • 2 votes
#1.36 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:17 PM EDT

Amazing that liberals who probably disavow bullying and swear they love diversity are the quickest to call you a name, call you stupid without a shred of evidence to back up their position.

  • 4 votes
#1.37 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:20 PM EDT

Izzy this is nothing out of the ordinary from seeking stupidity daily. its like playing im rubber your glue with it. sad part is, the clueless azzhat doesnt get the irony of what it posts. We also have Kimmy H that claims to have been cap'n of the debate team but just spews idiotic drivel. Dont hope to see any form of real life from these libbies, at least on the intellectual level. But i cant ignore them, they are what gives me hope that the USA can recover.

  • 3 votes
#1.38 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:25 PM EDT

Caesar - I will repeat again my answer to your first accusation that I claimed to be captain of my debate team. I never said I was captain, I said I was a Drama Major and on the debate team. I know facts confuse you but go back and read the post. You're an A$$.

  • 1 vote
#1.39 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:38 PM EDT

Well, one thing about liberals, they sure are good at dishing it out and shouting over anyone who has a dissenting opinion. Generally that is the mark of great insecurity.

Mac: Tsk. You are a easy person to provoke, even when someone isn't trying to provoke you. The taxes question was meant to open your eyes as to the current economic situation. If you want to twist it to mean something to do with how you use the bathroom, well, go for it. Are you equating paying taxes with going to the bathroom?

  • 1 vote
#1.40 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:40 PM EDT

Caesar Augustus-

As was said recently - the democrats are better at lying than the republicans are at telling the truth. Problem is when you tell the same lie over and over people start believing it to be truth.....sad but just human nature! I just call'em out when I see them.

  • 1 vote
#1.41 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:55 PM EDT

Republicans "pounce" on a word game. Just another example of them taking something out of context and pretending it's significant. Nothing new here.

  • 1 vote
#1.42 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:26 PM EDT

rightisright-5861504

I is for idiot OBOZO!

Your intelligence is showing.

6 trillion in debt in 4 years, thats 20 THOUSANDdollars per person.

$2 Trillion is lost revenue from the collapsed economy. Another $2 Trillion comes from unfunded liabilities from Bush that includes Afghanistan, Iraq, Homeland Security, and Medicaid. The other $2 Trillion includes the Bush tax cut extensions and support of the poor and unfortunate... most of which are there through no fault of their own. So you sound like a complete ass when you quote raw numbers withot knowing their origins.

when him and his overspenders destroy the rich, YOU are next.

We've had record profits in the Fortune 500 companies during this recession. We've had record LOW reinvestment back into these companies with record profits. We've had record high paydays for corporate execs. Off shore accounts are at record highs and are expanding at record rates to the tune of $100 Trillion. ALL of this is caused directly by artificially low taxes at the top and/or their ability to manipulate their compensation as capital gains at 15%. Low taxes at the top ENCOURAGES massive profit-taking as personal income instead of reinvesting in corporate America. Low taxes at the top is EXACTLY what is wrong with our economy and is EXACTLY why the class gap is expanding at such a high rate. During this recession, the rich got richer and the middle class lost 40% of it's net worth.

I'd love to hear your counter on this one.

1.4 million bankruptcys this year. GREAT JOB OBOZO!!!!

Yes, that is an absolute shame. Any idea how many of these were health care related? And how much did the Republican party help us on jobs? On the economy? Nothing. There's a sh!tload of co-ownership on this one.

    #1.43 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:49 PM EDT

    Ahem. You are aware of the fact that Obama and Holder have stated that they will not investigate or prosecute any bankers or Wall Street criminals?

    • 2 votes
    #1.44 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 9:14 PM EDT
    • 1 vote
    #1.45 - Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:06 PM EDT
    Reply

    FYI

    A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH

    There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

    * Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

    * Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

    * Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

    * Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

    * Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

    * Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

    * Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

    * Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

    * Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

    * Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issues over a fifteen-year period.

    * Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    * Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    * Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    It is more than clear that Obama is planning for the total control and takeover of America via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health, he has it covered. While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution. Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.

    • 20 votes
    #2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:28 PM EDT

    Oh no you found out our Progressive plans for you people. However, for a small fee, I will make sure that you and your family get three hots and a cot daily.

    • 16 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

    And how many of those executive orders have been signed by every other president. One thing is for sure, in a time of national crisis, I would rather have these executive orders in place vs. the renegade tea party fruit cakes with god and guns blazing away, or the Nazi Skinheads, or some internet troll running around with the name jclkb.

    • 19 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

    The latest Executive Order on that list was signed by President Ford.

    • 13 votes
    #2.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

    You can easily look up executive orders. The numbers you have listed were exec orders given by presidents as far back as pres Kennedy. You can google exec orders given by Obama and get current information. I think you received that information via email.....someone sent the same thing to me, but it's wrong.

    • 17 votes
    #2.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

    A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH

    Oh, and you might want to ask the freak show that is Roth how she learned how to count. Like Lyin' Ryan, her claims of 900 EOs is provably false, but what else can we expect from these conservative sacks of @!$%# running for office.

    Roth was a candidate for President of the United States in the 2012 election who unsuccessfully sought the 2012 nominations of the Constitution Party and the American Independent Party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Roth

    • 15 votes
    #2.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

    Notice how all those emails are one-sided.

    It seems like the Rush Limbaugh dittoheads and Fox news zombies imitate the blowhards that they idolize.

    • 13 votes
    #2.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

    Sorry BRUCE.....there are blowhards are on the left.....Maddow, Mathews, Ed, Biden. The left definitely has its share.

    • 5 votes
    #2.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

    jclkb - it's already been pointed out to your that your post is entirely lies. President Obama has signed 137 Executive orders. Bush signed 291.

    Next?

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • 13 votes
    #2.8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

    jclkb

    I just googled Executive Order 11002. It was signed by JFK.

    • 12 votes
    #2.9 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:50 PM EDT

    Please tell me you dont have children.

    • 8 votes
    #2.10 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

    Where do you NUTS get this information?

    • 8 votes
    #2.11 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:11 PM EDT

    whatevz - isn't it the truth? Scary that he might have proliferated!

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • 7 votes
    #2.12 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:12 PM EDT

    Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital

    By Matt Taibbi, August 29, 2012 7:00 AM ET

    Four years ago, the Mitt Romneys of the world nearly destroyed the global economy with their greed, shortsightedness and – most notably – wildly irresponsible use of debt in pursuit of personal profit. The sight was so disgusting that people everywhere were ready to drop an H-bomb on Lower Manhattan and bayonet the survivors. But today that same insane greed ethos, that same belief in the lunatic pursuit of instant borrowed millions – it's dusted itself off, it's had a shave and a shoeshine, and it's back out there running for president.

    http://Bruce-1628250.newsvine.com/_news/2012/09/04/13660654-greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital

    • 9 votes
    #2.13 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

    @ JCLKB

    Well another idiot that doesn't even bother to check Wikipedia let alone an official record. Obama's first order was #13489. so not a single one you listed was originally his.

    Next time you cut and paste, at least do a little work before blindly regurtiating:

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/a-comprehensive-list-of-obamas-worst-executive-orders/

    • 8 votes
    #2.14 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

    @Jelkb#2: I'll just be damned! Do you know the reason for those executive orders? Do you have any idea how many presidents signed them? Under what conditions are they to be employed? Try reading "em slowly. Think logically as you do. You have an opportunity here. Go get 'em tiger!

    • 5 votes
    #2.15 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:45 PM EDT

    @JCLKB, You must be joking right? If not you can get a free mental health screening provided by your state mental health system, but you better hurry. If the republicans win that system will be gone.

    • 9 votes
    #2.16 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:58 PM EDT

    Nikki Haley - I am embarrassed for you. Asian Indians are a practical bunch, but you and ol' Bobby are real sell-outs.
    "Pouncing" huh? the Repubs have sunk to a new immature low.

    • 4 votes
    #2.17 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:35 PM EDT

    You are missing something:

    From FreedomWatch, March 4, 2008:

    ...in the form of numerous Executive Orders enacted by President Bush.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990...

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148...
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 12656...

    All of these executive orders were signed by Bush! In 2008, long before Obama became president! The fascist here is Bush, not Obama!

    • 8 votes
    #2.18 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:01 PM EDT

    Why? Trying to argue with these people about facts is like trying to argue with someone who thinks a womans body can shut down a pregnancy if she is raped......

    • 4 votes
    #2.19 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:14 PM EDT

    And here is Bush's worst offense!

    From the New York Times editorials, Oct 10, 2005:

    But perhaps the most egregious example occurred on Nov. 1, 2001, when President Bush signed Executive Order 13233, under which a former president's private papers can be released only with the approval of both that former president (or his heirs) and the current one.

    Before that executive order, the National Archives had controlled the release of documents under the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which stipulated that all papers, except those pertaining to national security, had to be made available 12 years after a president left office.

    Now, however, Mr. Bush can prevent the public from knowing not only what he did in office, but what Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan did in the name of democracy. (Although Mr. Reagan's term ended more than 12 years before the executive order, the Bush administration had filed paperwork in early 2001 to stop the clock, and thus his papers fall under it.)

    So tell me, just what the hell do Republicans have to hide? And what did they know they were going to hide in 2001?

    • 4 votes
    #2.20 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:16 PM EDT

    The Republicans are not smart to ask if we are better off than we were four years ago. It just brings back the bad memories of 4 years ago. The banks wer failing fast and many evenings on the nightly news many people were packing their few momentos in small boxes and pouring out of those skyscrapers on Wall Street. Some of them were my friends. Thank God many have found new positions now. Four years ago John McCain suspended his campaign and ran around in concentric circles and said he was trying to solve the economic problems. We sure are betteroff than we were 4 years ago.

    • 2 votes
    #2.21 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:20 PM EDT

    Emergency powers have been used to turn democracy's into dictatorships. All he needs is a secret executive order to suspend the constitution and declare military law and of course he is the commander and chief. All hail the chief!

      #2.22 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 6:52 AM EDT

      This isn't grade school. The only economic crisis worse than the one handed to us under Bush, took 10 years and a world war to climb out of.

      Perhaps the recovery would have been better if the Republicans had been wiling to put Country before Party. They have tried to extend the pain for political gain.

      • 1 vote
      #2.23 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 7:11 AM EDT
      Reply

      Romney/Ryan 2012!

      Because Obummer is a failed leader!

      • 10 votes
      Reply#3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

      Obama 2012 -

      because Romney/Ryan would lead us back to the failures of the Bush administration.

      • 17 votes
      #3.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

      TNSEVOL
      Such a trite comment. Who says they will do the same things as Bush? Do you always just parrot whatever the dnc says? You mean that someone is going to run planes into buildings at wall street and Romney will send troops to the Mideast to stop terrorism? Every presidency makes decisions based on what is happening during the years they are in office. Your statement insinuates that Obama has done what Clinton did during his first presidential term. Ignorant and uninformed statement.

      • 7 votes
      #3.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

      YEAH, THAT evil 5 percent unemployment and our homes worth 3 times what we paid.

      the horror

      • 5 votes
      #3.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

      rightisright - our homes worth 3 times what we paid. That should have been your first clue that something wasn't right!

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 9 votes
      #3.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

      yes right because real estate should be an investment but under the Liberal Flag, it was destroyed as well.

      America be cautious, Obama ad Porta

      • 7 votes
      #3.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

      Are we better off that we were 4 years ago?

      We are better off, because we no longer are losing 700,000 jobs per month, instead creating new jobs.

      We are better off because the economy is growing rather than contracting at 6%.

      We are better off because the DOW is up over 5,000 points in the last 4 years.

      We are better off, because Osama is dead and GM is alive.

      We are better off, because we no longer are fighting war in Iraq and spending billions of dollars of US tax payers’ money there.

      We are better off because we now have a well defined policy in Afghanistan, and we have dismantled the Al-Quada.

      We are better off, because we have a president who is working to build the middle class everyday.

      Yes, but more work needs to be done but we are much better off that we were in 2008.

      • 8 votes
      #3.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:42 PM EDT

      We are better off, because we no longer are losing 700,000 jobs per month, instead creating new jobs.

      The economy ALWAYS CREATES NEW JOBS - even while when more are being lost than created. Moot Point.

      If unemployment was 7.8% at the start but it's now 8.3% that means you lost .5% more jobs than you created over 4 years. NET LOSS!

      That doesn't include the real life unemployment of about 14%, which would mean 5% more jobs were lost than created over 4 years. NET LOSS still!


      ... the economy is growing rather than contracting at 6%.

      Not. The economy when it is growing, is only growing at about 2%.


      We are better off because the DOW is up over 5,000 points in the last 4 years.

      The DJI has nothing to do with high unemployment, still-depressed home values and hard-to-get credit and capital.

      ... because Osama is dead and GM is alive.

      GM would STILL be alive if they just went to bankruptcy court like they've done one or twice before. NO GOVT INTERVENTION WAS NECESSARY. bin Laden's death was helpful but nothing changed or improved- but we'll take it.

      ... we no longer are fighting war in Iraq and spending billions of dollars of US tax payers’ money there.

      The exit timetable from Iraq was established BY BUSH during his tenure but finished by Obama. It was not Obama's idea.

      ... we now have a well defined policy in Afghanistan, and we have dismantled the Al-Quada.

      PLEASE enlightened the rest of us on exactly what this well-defined policy is. Al-Qaeda is alive and well but weakened.

      ... we have a president who is working to build the middle class everyday.

      As evidenced by?

      ... we are much better off that we were in 2008. Not really.

      • 5 votes
      #3.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

      Obama's working as fast as the foot-dragging Congress will let him.

      This was the CNN Money headline in Bush's last month of office:

      Job loss: Worst in 34 years

      Employers slashed 598,000 more jobs in January as unemployment rate climbed to 7.6%.

      Here was last month's number from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

      Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 163,000 in July.

      There's your choice.

      The only way the GOP can win is LIE!

      • 6 votes
      #3.8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:19 PM EDT

      You do understand that Reid is a Democrat? You do understand that Reid is sitting on a multitude of bills. Just checking since you seem to think anybody but Obama is to blame, when quite frankly if Reid and Pelosi werent holding dirty little secrets over their little puppet, life wouldn't be so nasty right now.

      Obama 2012/4additionalyearsoffailure/andahopeithurtseveryone

      • 4 votes
      #3.9 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:14 PM EDT

      Because Obummer is a failed leader!

      ...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

      April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

      DJIA Dec 26, 2008 8515
      DJIA Aug 31, 2012 13090

      Dec 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

      May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.

      We need a helluva more of this kind of failure! And a helluva lot less of the Republican kind!

      • 1 vote
      #3.10 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:18 PM EDT

      Obama/Biden 2012. Get used to it.

      • 3 votes
      #3.11 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:22 PM EDT

      Even Obama gave himself an "incomplete" grade....what does that tell you. We cannot afford 4 more years of this clown......OMG = OBAMA MUST GO

      ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 AND BEYOND

      And have any of you libs noticed the dems took "God" out? They have been trying (and unfortunately succeeding doing this since 2008. That's the reason this country is in the shape it is.

      • 4 votes
      #3.12 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:27 PM EDT

      Well the dems do have their priorities straight. Gay rights, taxpayer funded abortions and birth control and 'we the government,' rather than 'we the people' is their platform. Those issues are far more pressing than sixteen trillion dollars of debt, the country facing bankruptcy and millions on welfare and food stamps, record unemployment and spiraling costs for food, energy and just about everything that is killing the middle class aren't important.

      Yeppers, them democrats have got their priorities straight. We shall all rejoice in the knowledge that the government will be handing out free birth control and abortions on demand and all the while, as we sleep in our tent cities we can rest comfortably in the knowledge that the democrats have our backs when it comes to birth control. Food and jobs? Not so much but, hey, priorities, priorites....

      • 4 votes
      #3.13 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 9:11 PM EDT

      In my second to last semester of college I had a class I was unable to complete and received and incomplete grade. An I on my report card. In my last semester I completed that class with a 4.0. So incomplete does not mean failure. It means you are still working on it.

        #3.14 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 1:07 PM EDT
        Reply

        This current crop of Republican Romney surrogates has to be the most negative group ever assembled. Instead of laying out their vision of the way to a better economy, all they can do is insult the President and lie about his positions, words and actions.

        I would give them an "F", unless the course was Creative Writing - they sure have written and spoken enough fiction to fill volumes.

        Paul Ryan - The Deficit? I Built That!

        • 19 votes
        #4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

        If you actually listened to the speeches you would've heard plans to become independent of energy from the Mideast. I don't understand why we are willing to waste thousands of lives in the Mideast for oil, but we're not willing to drill for it in the United States. This plan alone will drastically change the unemployment rates and the price of gas.

        • 7 votes
        #4.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

        go to romneys website. it details his plan.

        go ahead, vote for obozo.

        watch the freefall start, just like the omission news fails to write about the new socialist in france with the same ideas os obozo.

        they are doomed. so is europe.

        we are next if this idiot gets reelected

        obozos america 2016. worth watching

        • 7 votes
        #4.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

        rightisright - isn't it amazing Romney can't discuss his plans? Do you think that is because he doesn't know them and hasn't bothered to read what was written for him? Yeah, that's true leadership - NOT!

        Obama/Biden 2012

        • 10 votes
        #4.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

        Jackie #'s:

        Oil will always be sold on the open market for the highest price, no matter where it's drilled. The GOP continue to distort/lie on the fact that oil drilled on American soil will only be used by us. The oil companies will never settle for that losing proposition. The truth is, they want to drill all over the U.S. so their oil buddies can make bigger profits in the open market, never mind destroying our lands and water supplies.

        • 8 votes
        #4.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

        lol. its on his website, and talks about it every day. you just have to listen

        domestic energy

        revamp the tax code

        lower corporate tax (no recession in canada)

        balance the budget

        that alone would get us on track

        • 5 votes
        #4.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

        Don't ya just love o's plan for the United States of America's budget? He could not even get ONE vote for his budget from the democrats in congress. Even his own party gives him an Incomplete. That's what happens when you use your time as president for " on the job" training. If his transcripts were unsealed I think we would find a LOT of incompletes and poor grades.

        • 5 votes
        #4.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

        Oil will always be sold on the open market for the highest price, no matter where it's drilled.

        Shhhh... don't confuse the poor thing!

        She's a good little ditto-head!

        • 10 votes
        #4.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:50 PM EDT

        Vegas
        Do ya think that if oil is drilled here and sold to other countries it might help the US economy? Hmmmmm.

        • 6 votes
        #4.8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:53 PM EDT

        independent of energy from the Mideast

        Where have I heard that before .... hmmmm could it have been Bush??? And Vegas and Feisty are correct. If China's willing to pay more per barrel than we are, guess what Jackie ... they're going to sell it to China. That's BASIC economics. Sell to the highest bidder. Mitt get's that and trust me, that's he and his buddies have been doing for years! They certainly haven't been asking if it's good for the economy here.

        if oil is drilled here and sold to other countries it might help the US economy

        Talk about a back-pedal! That one was so fast my neck hurts!

        • 6 votes
        #4.9 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:54 PM EDT

        Vegas
        Do ya think that drilling oil in the US might create jobs for Americans? Do you think that those people will then spend money in America? Do you think that they will pay taxes? Do you understand anything about the economy?

        • 5 votes
        #4.10 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

        Layton - Jackie will continue to change gears as quickly as you prove her wrong. It's all she has - she's the perfect Republican - doesn't understand anything but will argue for whatever she's told to!

        Jackie - you're a moron. You're using the same argument the moderates and Democrats used for renewable energy jobs but the GOP poo pooed saying they were "temporary" jobs. Get a clue. You have the losing horse in the race - no matter how many times you try to change the saddle.

        Obama/Biden 2012

        • 9 votes
        #4.11 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:58 PM EDT

        But they talk to empty chairs like it will really make a difference.

        • 5 votes
        #4.12 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:33 PM EDT

        Beats talking to empty suits who shut you out of important meetings while you draft policy and executive orders behind closed doors.

        • 3 votes
        #4.13 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:03 PM EDT

        @Jackie-1496878#4.10: It hasn't yet. Sure would help the speculators though. Do you understand anything about the American economy? No hell, you don't!

        • 3 votes
        #4.14 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:13 PM EDT

        And you are an expert? Hold several degrees in economics? Common sense would reveal that the numbers are bad, really bad. The longest 'recession' in history, more people on welfare, more homes underwater, more unemployed, more food stamp recipients and you need a degree in economics to understand crappy?

        • 4 votes
        #4.15 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:47 PM EDT

        Common sense would reveal that the numbers are bad, really bad. The longest 'recession' in history, more people on welfare, more homes underwater, more unemployed, more food stamp recipients and you need a degree in economics to understand crappy?

        What do you need to understand just who is responsible for it?

        New York Times, The Fiscal Legacy of George W. Bush

        • 1 vote
        #4.16 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:27 PM EDT

        girl1 -- the Great Depression lasted longer. Maybe you think we should go back to those days when babies died of starvation because the mothers were so malnourished that they could no longer produce milk. Maybe you will volunteer your property to be used as a baby graveyard? Or maybe you just want to start an argument about the "difference" between a recession and a depression?

        It doesn't make a difference if you will not agree that the deeper a hole is, the longer it takes to climb out of. Now, who put us in that hole in the first place?

        • 1 vote
        #4.17 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:48 PM EDT

        Hyperbole as argument, perfect. Nowhere was it stated that people should starve, or that 'baby graveyards' be constructed on my property. If you use your head and the brain contained therein, rather than your overabundant and illogical emotions, you might be able to figure out that you don't fill a hole by digging it deeper! Sheesh.

        As to the eternal and apparently endless 'blame Bush for everything' mantra, please, educate yourselves. Obama is and has been president for almost four years, in that time he has seen the debt double under his 'leadership' and has done nothing to address the debt crisis. His proposed budgets were so bad that even democrats voted against them. His Obamacare will bankrupt healthcare while ushering in some of the largest tax increases in history. His tax and spend mantra is destroying the country and his promises of freebies for all, while getting some votes, will ultimately bankrupt the country. His only answer to the financial crisis is to wage class warfare. Guaranteed that all he knows how to do is raise taxes while gutting the military. That is all he knows and all he's got. I realize I am talking to indoctrinated minds incapable of understanding.

        • 3 votes
        #4.18 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:56 PM EDT

        @mygirl1: You really like that word. "Hyperbole": You are one the the best embodiments of the words meaning I ever see posting on here. Everything you post is "extravagant exaggeration". I don't mean common craziness. I mean pure lunacy. No one, other than like crazies will ever pay any attention to you so long as you continue with the goofy rantings. Even if you're ever able to find and practice true reason, you need to learn to argue without invoking such ignorant based hubris. I think you have a lot of hate, and maybe even racism strewn through your psyche. You often think of yourself as a Princess? Maybe?

        • 2 votes
        #4.19 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 10:01 PM EDT

        Mac: You don't like the word hyperbole? When so much hyperbole is bandied about as fact then it is the perfect choice to use as a descriptor. As to who pays or doesn't pay attention to me, you sure do seem to spend a lot of time on my posts. As to what I think of myself? Well, I think of myself as someone who is deeply concerned about the welfare and security of this country. If you call that goofy, perhaps you should examine what your concerns are for this country and nice try with the race card, however, that card has been played way too often and it won't work. I don't fall for the 'if you don't agree with Obama then you must be a racist' BS and if you're intelligent, neither should you. As to hate, well, another nice try, racist, hater, bigot etc. to attempt to deflect from Obama's record is beyond puerile.

        • 1 vote
        #4.20 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 12:03 AM EDT

        girl1 -- My response to you was based upon your own words. You talk about "the longest 'recession' in history" (not true) and at the same time you talk about food "stamps", as if assistance for nutrition in times of crisis is a bad thing. Hyperbole (exagerration), no, I don't think so. If babies are not fed they die. It's a fact. Where should we bury them, if not your yard? The landfill?

        • 2 votes
        #4.21 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 12:16 AM EDT

        @mygirl1#4.20: I generally ignore you. You jumped me first here. Again with the ignorant hubris. Here you go calling others beyond puerile from an intellectual and realistic point of the essence of pure silliness. No one really has to attempt to analyze you. You seem all too happy to present imaginary exaggerations as wholly inspired fact, which reveals a mind of deluded abstractions, which you cast about as logical to the extreme of unassailable challenge. Even so, as with most afflicted with your mental mess, you will be challenged.

        • 1 vote
        #4.22 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 1:00 AM EDT

        Ah, it is pointless to get into a pissing match. Nothing is accomplished, insults aren't manifestations of intelligence and not one person will be swayed to actually research facts that are contrary to their deeply held ideological beliefs. If you want to ignore the reality that currently exists in this country, hoping that failed leadership will suddenly and magically improve or that agendas that were started in the first four years won't be pursued to their final conclusion, so be it.

        Please ignore me, use that little button, I will do the same for you.

        • 1 vote
        #4.23 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 12:25 PM EDT
        Reply

        Over the past week These people actually said the following......

        Obama...I get an "Incomplete" for The Economy

        Axelrod..."Balancing the Budget is not our Priority"

        The Democratic Party admits we are not better off after 4 years...

        Is that the White Flag waving in Charlotte

        • 8 votes
        #5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

        mike-

        All of those comments make sense to me.

        President Obama' work is incomplete - the economy has come a long way but still needs further improvemnt.

        Balancing the Budget is not the priority, getting people back to work is. Lower unemployment and a strong middle class will generate much-needed tax revenues that will go a long way towards reducing the deficit.

        Democrats are hesitant to admit that things are better than they were 4 years ago becasue there are still people struggling. Unlike Republicans we don't looking solely at our own situation and say "I got mine, who cares about you". We will truly be better off when everyone is better off.

        No white flag in Charlotte, just a Green flag for "full speed ahead".

        Paul Ryan - The Deficit? I Built That!

        • 18 votes
        #5.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

        Maybe he wouldn't have an "incomplete" if he had spent less time campaigning since the day he took office, less time playing golf and basketball, less time at Wednesday night white house parties, less time on late night talk shows, less time in Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii, less time watching sports, less time doing things like flying to Copenhagen with Oprah to beg for the Olympics, hanging with George Clooney.....etc. has he really spent his time wisely? He didn't have to have an incomplete. He chose to earn an incomplete for himself after 3 1/2 years.

        • 6 votes
        #5.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

        Jackie - you're totally hopeless. It's clear you don't have any common sense and just spout the GOP talking points over and over. Come back when you grow up and actually can talk facts - not stupidity!

        Obama/Biden 2012

        • 8 votes
        #5.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

        DEFICIT.......never worse than with this president. Greatest increase of the deficit with this president. No plan or budget to decrease the deficit with this president. Did he build it?....yes he did. These are simple facts....not idealology or piped piper syndrome.

        • 5 votes
        #5.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

        I only deal in facts. You have a computer.......look up the information yourself. No president has EVER spent more time outside of the office. No one has spent more time on leisure. No president has ever taken the country so far into the depths of debt. To ignore this is simple ignorance and blind loyalty. Half of this country needs to grow up and vote to stop the amateurs in DC. You want some kind of cool celebrity. Maybe you need to grow up and realize its time for some kind of fiscal responsibility.

        • 6 votes
        #5.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

        Jackie - you deal in idiocy - nothing more. And, you're eager to show how idiotic you are by shouting it at the top of your lungs. You'll never grow up and face the facts. You've got no candidate - you've just got a liar who wants to be President so he can say he did one better than Dad - nothing more.

        Obama/Biden 2012

        • 8 votes
        #5.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

        Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital

        By Matt Taibbi, August 29, 2012 7:00 AM ET

        A man makes a $250 million fortune loading up companies with debt and then extracting million-dollar fees from those same companies, in exchange for the generous service of telling them who needs to be fired in order to finance the debt payments he saddled them with in the first place. That same man then runs for president riding an image of children roasting on flames of debt, choosing as his running mate perhaps the only politician in America more pompous and self-righteous on the subject of the evils of borrowed money than the candidate himself. If Romney pulls off this whopper, you'll have to tip your hat to him: No one in history has ever successfully run for president riding this big of a lie.

        http://Bruce-1628250.newsvine.com/_news/2012/09/04/13660654-greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital

        • 6 votes
        #5.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

        The whole Bain discussion can be settled by answering one question concisely:

        Did Bain create more jobs than it destroyed/exported? If the answer is no, Bain was a job destroyer. If the answer is yes, Bain was a job protector.

        Until you have a concrete answer to that question, you're nothing more than a lemming who merely repeats what you've heard or what you're told.

        • 6 votes
        #5.8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

        Jackie is that a hair in your teeth? Oh never mind you've been letting Rush Teabag you again haven't you.

        • 3 votes
        #5.9 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:13 PM EDT

        @Jackie-1496878#5.5: You got that from your computer? Damn! It must know you're a feeble minded dunce and has decided to screw with you some. You need to get that damn thing fixed.

        • 1 vote
        #5.10 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:18 PM EDT

        The Federal Bailout That Saved Mitt Romney

        Government documents prove the candidate's mythology is just that

        Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829#ixzz2542ZJRd2

        Mitt Romney likes to say he won't "apologize" for his success in business. But what he never says is "thank you" – to the American people – for the federal bailout of Bain & Company that made so much of his outsize wealth possible.

        According to the candidate's mythology, Romney took leave of his duties at the private equity firm Bain Capital in 1990 and rode in on a white horse to lead a swift restructuring of Bain & Company, preventing the collapse of the consulting firm where his career began. When The Boston Globe reported on the rescue at the time of his Senate run against Ted Kennedy, campaign aides spun Romney as the wizard behind a "long-shot miracle," bragging that he had "saved bank depositors all over the country $30 million when he saved Bain & Company."

        In fact, government documents on the bailout obtained by Rolling Stone show that the legend crafted by Romney is basically a lie. The federal records, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, reveal that Romney's initial rescue attempt at Bain & Company was actually a disaster – leaving the firm so financially strapped that it had "no value as a going concern." Even worse, the federal bailout ultimately engineered by Romney screwed the FDIC – the bank insurance system backed by taxpayers – out of at least $10 million. And in an added insult, Romney rewarded top executives at Bain with hefty bonuses at the very moment that he was demanding his handout from the feds.

        • 6 votes
        #5.11 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:22 PM EDT

        Once again the liberal mind in evidence. Instead of an intelligent response to a poster we get a sexual insult and then an insult from a poster who claims that they do research. If that claim were accurate then said poster wouldn't be so ignorant and reliant on Obama campaign talking points for answers, not that any attempts to formulate a response were in evidence, just more simple minded insults. No wonder Obama has still has supporters, simple minds.

        • 3 votes
        #5.12 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:55 PM EDT

        Unrealamerican,

        A "political" article in the Rolling Stone hardly constitutes an objective source.

        Good mag when I am reading about the latest Slayer show coming to town, but I do not try to figure out how to vote on a political candidate based on what some Hunter Thompson wannabe wrote about Mitt Romney.

        • 3 votes
        #5.13 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:13 PM EDT

        Jackie you go girl.......sometimes it's not wise to argue with idiots though. They are so narrow minded that they cannot even admit they made a mistake in 2008 they will go to their graves believing the crap of hope and change while they all stand in the food lines and wait for their medical care.......

        • 2 votes
        #5.14 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:35 PM EDT

        If I go to my grave believing in HOPE I will have lived a wise life.

        When the world says "give up", Hope whispers "Try it one more time".

        • 1 vote
        #5.15 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:54 PM EDT

        Try it one more time, is Hope heroin or what? maybe some of Obama's beer or coke! You gotta give it up before your wise life is cut short by Obama's HOPE and the ACA

          #5.16 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 10:11 PM EDT

          Helmet -- No, Hope is the desire of the fulfillment of success. Stay away from the heroin. It's making you stupid. And hopeless.

          • 1 vote
          #5.17 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 12:27 AM EDT
          Reply

          TNSEVOL - you are spot on. The negativity coming from the Romney camp is amazing. They had to use the "You didn't build that" comment (taken totally out of context as are most of their criticisms) in every single speech - it was getting so over-used that I think they lost any momentum they thought they had on that one. Now because he says he would grade himself as "incomplete," they are running with that - it infuriates me - of course he hasn't completed what he wants to do - George W took 8 years to get us into the worst financial condition since the great depression and the Romney folks think they can "fix it" in no time, but they haven't laid out one fact on how they would do that. They will destroy our economy with Ryan's grandiose plan and trust me, if they get into office, they will blame Obama for anything that isn't working. As I recall, Bush blamed Clinton for all kinds of things well into his second term. They are clearly the party of "no accountability." They cannot even give a speech that isn't full of lies and misrepresentations.

          • 11 votes
          Reply#6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

          Destroy the economy? Anything will be an improvement over Obama and his destruction. Sorry, apparently facts and reality escape his supporters. They have these rose colored glasses that not only distort reality but they also seem to destroy intelligence.

          • 3 votes
          #6.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:23 PM EDT

          @mygirl#6.1: Destroy intelligence huh? And just what the hell is your excuse? Being in love with "Frank Luntz"? Hmmm? Yep. that would do it.

          • 1 vote
          #6.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

          Well remember the olde saying about Democrats..." They would Vote for Hitler if he was on the Ticket ."

          The only thing that Obama has done to the economy is dramaticaly slow down the recovery. It will take Romney 12 yrs to fix Obama's 4.... rofl !

          Most would rather have Bush back than 4 more years of this loser Obama.

          • 2 votes
          #6.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:27 PM EDT

          Destroy the economy? Anything will be an improvement over Obama and his destruction.

          ...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

          April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

          DJIA Dec 26, 2008 8515
          DJIA Aug 31, 2012 13090

          Dec 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

          May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.

          The only ones that destroyed the American economy are George W. Bush, Dick "deficits don't matter" Cheney and Republican majorities in the HR and Senate for 6 years!

          • 2 votes
          #6.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:30 PM EDT

          Yep..$4.2 million jobs of which 52% are minimum wage! You don't revive the economy with hamburger flipper jobs! Manufacturing and Construction Sectors down for the third straight month, $16 trillion in national debt, 1/3 under Obama's watch, 43 straight months of unemployment over 8%, the fewest Americans working in history(as a percentage of population), ObamaCare now up to three times what Obama promised in would cost, Obama's Justice Department declining to prosecute Goldman-Saks even though a Democrat chaired Senate committee found grounds of illegal activities! Geez, it would appear that based on your statement, the ball dropped when Democrats took control of Congress. That was probably when Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were preventing Fannie And Freddie from being audited! Barney said there was no problem...they were perfectly solvent!

            #6.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 10:26 PM EDT
            Reply

            Business value has nearly doubles since March 6, 2009.

            Republicans look at their 401ks and secretly say great job President Obama, now let us run the country again.

            It's the only time in history that a President has nearly doubled the value of the stock market in 4 years and it wasn't good enough for his Republican opponents.

            • 9 votes
            #7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

            Debbie this is the problem...

            Med Income 2009...$55,000 today $51000

            Unemployment 2009 7.9....today 8.3

            Gas 2009 $1.84.....Today $3.80

            Nobody secretly thinks he did a good job...not even his party or himself ....

            23 mil UNEMPLOYED !!!!!!

            • 4 votes
            #7.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

            Mike-

            A few key facts:

            Unemployment: 10.1% in October 2009, the highest rate since 1983 and roughly twice the pre-crisis rate. Since then, steadily reduced to around 8.3%

            Stock Market: Dow Jones was at 6,600 in March 2009. It has since recovered - over 12,000 during most of 2011, over 13,000 in 2012.

            GDP: GDP growth of 2.2% in Jan. 2008 rapidly declined to a negative growth rate of -5% in 2009. Growth rates have been positive since then to a high of 3.5% before settling to a rate of around 2% growth per quarter.

            Home Values: US Home Values declined by almost 25% from Jan. 2007 thru Feb. 2012. The rate of decline slowed and homes values have increased for the last 4 months, with June reporting the first year-over-year increase since 2007.

            Do you really want to return to the Bush era of dramatic job losses and negative GDP, combined with horrendous stock market and home value losses?

            • 13 votes
            #7.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

            Debbie - There is more to life than just the stock market. As a soon to be retired person, I want to be assured that Social Security and Medicare will still be there when the time comes. Romney/Ryan 2012

            • 3 votes
            #7.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

            @Carole - The Romney/Ryan ticket will destroy Social Security/Medicare.

            • 11 votes
            #7.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

            Mike - Gas prices peaked in 2008, and unemployment peaked in 2009, only months after Obama took office.

            • 6 votes
            #7.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

            If you are under 55 then Medicare, under the R/R plan will cost you and your spouse an extra $500 each month ($6000 a year each) to get the same coverage provided by Medicare using the vouchers to purchase coverage with a private company.

            • 9 votes
            #7.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

            But they think they will be so much better off financially with Romney/Ryan that $6000 a year will be chump change. LOL

            • 3 votes
            #7.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

            Carole - I'd try to reason with you but you are totally clueless!

            Obama/Biden 2012

            • 7 votes
            #7.8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

            Dennis,

            FactCheck.org

            Ryan plan, now the Romney-Ryan plan, doesn’t “end Medicare,” and the claim about seniors paying $6,000 more under the proposal is outdated. It pertains to Ryan’s “original plan,” as the president said, but Obama didn’t make clear that Ryan’s latest plan includes a few key changes.

            We’ve been debunking these claims about Ryan’s plan since 2011, and Democrats continue to criticize the old plan more so than the current one. The Romney-Ryan plan would leave Medicare unchanged for current beneficiaries, and for those age 55 or older.

            • 2 votes
            #7.9 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:48 PM EDT

            thetotas,

            I said “if you are under 55.”

            The new plan allows people currently under 55 to choose if they want the voucher plan or stay on conventional Medicare. What they will not say is how they will pay for those that want conventional Medicare. Also they don’t say how long the choice is available.

            I can see my 95 year old mother trying to figure out which insurance company will best fit her needs and budget. I’m already retired and at times the Medicare Advantage plans are confusing.

            • 9 votes
            #7.10 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

            To all of the silly @!$%#ers who quote gas prices from 2009 @ $1.80. If you would like to see the DOW at 6000 again maybe we can go back to those prices.

            One of you lame ducks laid out Romneys plans- all one liners. Tax Reform-- How would he reform it????? You dont know because he has said nothing. Blah Blah cut capital gains, blah blah cut estate tax. You guys are a @!$%#ing side show.

            • 5 votes
            #7.11 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

            debbie,

            there are 23 million people who have tapped their 401k's whether cashing in or borrowing against them that aren't experiencing a larger 401K today.

            Of many who kept their jobs, they lost the employer contributions to there 401k's

            • 2 votes
            #7.12 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:08 PM EDT

            If the Republicans are so sure that Bush's policies are what are needed to pull us out of the recession he created (with those same policies), I just have one question:

            Why is Bush hiding now?

            You'd think the GOP is ashamed of him or something.

            • 3 votes
            #7.13 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:24 PM EDT

            Dennis,

            Why would you want to turn over medicare to private insurance agencies? My insrance won't pay for a colonoscopy. Until I'm 50. My wife can't even get a mamogran every year. Right now we pay over $800 a month for @!$%#ty coverage. When I stop working I won't be able to afford insurance yet another 6000 a year. I guess they were right I better work until I die or if I get sick just Die quickly.

            • 3 votes
            #7.14 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:35 PM EDT

            @Carole-2379889#7.3: You are retiring soon and want to be sure Social Security and Medicare are still available, so you are voting for R/R? Are you also stocking up on toilet paper now to be sure you will have enough to keep your butt clean when you retire? Actually, the latter is more logical than the former.

            • 1 vote
            #7.15 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:41 PM EDT

            They see recovery and want to take that small gain and make it theirs, republicans will not be happy less they possess all the public and private sector capital...if you have a nickle you better not let some regurgitating republican know about it or they will figure some scheme to take it away.

            Nikki, just like Bachman is a republican tool, a valve free blow up doll...ask her how it feels to have a few hundred republicans crawling up her vagina, she would probably be fine with that, I just can't imagine why not since she is such an advocate for everything they say, no matter how invasive it is or how much it strips away your rights and freedom. You go Nikki, yeah...straight to .... well, you figure it out, you seem to have all the answers.

            • 2 votes
            #7.16 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:48 PM EDT

            Carol.. looking forward to that voucher huh?

            • 3 votes
            #7.17 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:32 PM EDT
            Reply

            He should have answered this way:

            "I give myself an E for Effort, which would otherwise be an A for accomplishments that we would have achieved but for the obstructionist unpatrioatic congressional republicans!"

            • 7 votes
            Reply#8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

            Pat, GREAT post! As so many on here try and blame the President, they refuse to admit that their Congress are mainly to blame for what hasn't happened in their country. Their goal has been to obstruct and now with their 12% approval rating, I wonder how any of them can seriously campaign based on their "I've done NOTHING records!"

            • 5 votes
            #8.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

            patHuntington - Great post! It seems like the Republicans should be so angry at the obstructionists instead of high fiving them but - as usual - expectations for Republicans continue to drop!

            Obama/Biden 2012

            • 4 votes
            #8.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:50 PM EDT

            TNSEVOL is a prolific peddler of untruths. Sounds very convincing to the uninformed. Check every fact for accuracy AND context before accepting.

            Virtually every good attributed to Obama is just market self-corrections. Meaning, if Obama had done NOTHING, we still would have the same results !!

            • 1 vote
            #8.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:12 PM EDT

            To many Democrats, an obstructionist is someone who disagrees with them. Never mind if you put forth and PASS ideas of your own.

            Since you didn't do it THEIR way, YOU are the problem. Akin to the political savvy of a 6-yr old on the playground.

              #8.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:22 PM EDT

              "unpatrioatic congressional DEMOCRATS of 2009-2010"

              I fixed it for you. Don't sweat, it we all make mistakes.

                #8.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:20 PM EDT

                Oy vey, you said Akin.....(read as Beavis and Buthead)

                • 1 vote
                #8.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 9:37 PM EDT
                Reply

                DO94...The Democrats have been the Majority for 6 years ......6 years!!!!!!!! Who is not being accountable? ...the Minority ??? Really...How much longer do you need ...Numbers dont lie ..

                • 2 votes
                #9 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:48 PM EDT

                Mike,,You might want to try reading the CONSTITUTION or at least the rules of the senate before you start spewing your right wing diarrhea. Try looking up the word FILIBUSTER and learn which party has used it the most in the last 6 years ; then get back to back to me. Perhaps you should go to JAS's and Michael 1969's trailer for the answers. No?

                • 12 votes
                #9.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

                They don't have to read anything. Rush Limbaugh and the Fox news zombies will have their fake facts spoon fed to them.

                • 5 votes
                #9.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:39 PM EDT

                Ohhh I see guys ... Obama needs a Filibuster Proof Super Majority to get something done???

                Ahhh...they call that a Dictatorship!!!

                  #9.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

                  Are you really that dense mike-Pa?

                  Obama/Biden 2012!

                  • 5 votes
                  #9.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:05 PM EDT

                  snk - yes Mike really IS that dense! Isn't it amazing?? And, more amazing he posted it!

                  Obama/Biden 2012

                  • 6 votes
                  #9.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

                  And don't forget the repubs have had a majority in the House for nearly two years. I know you purposely ommited that because I know you wouldn't forget

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 9:40 PM EDT

                  What is more amazing is that you think that this Piece of garbage of President needs an absolute SUPER FILIBUSTER PROOF MAJORITY to get anything done. he shows no leadership... He is not the only President to have to work with two Parties. In fact THEY all did.. Why cant this President get anything done when he is the majority? You dense idiots above on the post ever ask your self why the Republicans will never work with this idiot of a President... Its because they dont respect him...never will. Do you actually think Nancy Pelosi and company ever worked with Bush? But they still got things done.. What makes you two idiots think things will change if Obama is elected again. Do you meat heads really think things will change??? Really

                    #9.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 9:58 PM EDT

                    Romneyismydream...Would you like me to give you and you idiot friends a lesson in Checks and Balances of Power? Because your very stupid remark makes me think you really have no clue like your buddies...but i will if you want me to......I will do it real slow for the other two as well. you may want to erase stupid remark ..to make me stop laughing...

                      #9.8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 10:03 PM EDT

                      Sorry for my previous post..I should not have posted calling any of you names. I apologize ..sorry. A good debate is always fun ...I still stand behind my post ..i.just should not be mean spirited just because you disagree..ESPECIALLY sorry to the Romney girl.

                      • 1 vote
                      #9.9 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 11:16 PM EDT

                      Yes Mike. Please give us all a lesson in Checks and balances of power as these pertain to our governing system. I would like to hear your version.

                      @Romneyismynightmare: Enjoy your style and comments. Smart, factual, and to the point. Best regards

                        #9.10 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 1:27 AM EDT

                        Ok Mac .... Since you missed it in school

                        1. President

                        2.Senate

                        3.House

                        T-h-i-s m-k-e-s u-p t-h e b-a-l-a-n-c-e o-f p-o-w-e-r...i said it real slow for you.

                        lets see. In the last two years of BUSH Presidency the Dems owned the Senate and The House ....That makes them the Majority....am I going to fast for you Mac?

                        the first two years of Obama Presidency...Obama had a Super Majority...tht means the DEMS owned President , Senate, and House.....that equals 3..in case you missed that in school

                        Thae last two years ... The Dems owned Senate and Presidency... Repubs owned House

                        That is also a Dem Majority.

                        In case you missed it ..that is not my version of Majority.

                        If you need any other questions to be answered Mac ...I am here for the people that missed this lesson in Grade school.....

                        Your welcome... I am glad you grouped yourself with statements up top especially with Romney girl

                          #9.11 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 8:15 AM EDT

                          mike-Pa#9.11: Good. Now, any specific rules by which the Senate , house, and President create laws?

                            #9.12 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 9:55 AM EDT

                            Wow Mac are you making a case for the Dems to be on the hook for everything that Bush did in his last two years????? I like your thinking ...Because ...Bush could not do a thing his last two years..because Dems owned the majority in the House and Senate.(You know when the Big Housing Bubble crash caused by Clinton).They made the laws and passed them.Nice to have you on our side... Didnt think i would get you to see the light...

                            • 1 vote
                            #9.13 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 10:53 AM EDT

                            @mike-Pa#9.13: You don't wish to engage. I understand. Help your credibility to learn these, especially, Senate legislative rules. The President , since His election has never had a filibuster proof Senate, with the exception of some 2 or 3 weeks before Senator Kennedy became too ill to serve. Even with Kennedy's presence He had to rely on 2 independents to get that 60 Senators. A little truth covered in bullsh^t, sculpted right, can give some the illusion of total truth, however there will always be more who will notice the smell, and upset the illusion. Can't win with your simplistic view Mike. Doesn't work that way.

                              #9.14 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

                              Mac ..Obviously I understand... A super Majority does not always mean Filerbuster Proof.... I really dont know the last President beside Obama..that had it. Lets face it the American people dont want it...That is why The Kennedy position was loss to a Republican. The next question you have to ask yourself....Why does Obama need it to get anything done? He is not the only President to have to work with two Partys...Why cant he lead? Bring it together? Because he is not a good leader... They do not respect him. He will never see a filerbuster proof Super Majority again...So now what. a good Leader brings people together.....He has repeatedly shown he is not a good leader. Actually Clinton was one hell of a Leader especially how he got things done while dealing with the B.S Monica Lewinsky scandel. Obama always wanted the other side to compromise....when did he?

                              • 1 vote
                              #9.15 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 12:12 PM EDT

                              Mike-Pa#9.15: In 1975 Filibuster and Cloture rules were changed, making it much easier for the minority party to block majority party bills. Wasn't used much, especially on nation dependency legislation back then. Since then though, these rules have been constantly tweaked by the majority parties in power, to the point, much law has been passed that should not have been, and much law has been stricken down that should have passed. During the last 2 years of the Clinton administration, much of the GW Bush administration, and the whole of the Obama administration, the abusive use of "filibuster" by the republicans, has been used more than by both parties, since the rules change inception. Truth is; this abusive practice has rendered both the Senate and House, as dysfunctional, way too often, as "help yourself meals" in a mental asylum. Now, the real problem is; changing those inept rules requires the same two thirds of the Senate, and neither party has the votes, and probably wouldn't effect the change if they did. Too much power there for too few. Generally the Congress does basically support the will and good of the people through the policies presented it by the the only "Nationally Elected Peoples Representative, "The President", but this has proved not to be the case with President Obama. Through the purposeful use of filibuster and the introduction of outrageous, and often ineffective legislation, the republicans have diminished this Presidents ability to govern, and have in fact, dealt a crushing blow to the welfare of "Middle class and poor Americans".

                                #9.16 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

                                Mac ... If the President had ounce of Leadership he would be able to bring the other side to the table...If he would have handled his Super Majority a little differently his first two years he would not have such a divisive Congress and Govt. I hate to Use Slogans ... His Hope and Change...I really believed it was the hope he would Unify America and change the way we move forward as a Country...... He has done the complete opposite. He sends Job Bills with Tax increases knowing full well they would be pushed back.. He was only putting those Job Bills through with the Tax increases only to Divide not Unify... Those Bills never had a chance..We need a President that will at least try to Lead the Country not just a few of them.

                                • 1 vote
                                #9.17 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 2:15 PM EDT

                                @mike-Pa#9.17: In usual circumstances i would agree with you. Here though, I don't. To get an honest perspective one has to look at the national situation during 2008. Just look at the finanicial meltdowns and the housing crisis. These losses make up most of our 16 trillion debt today. Additionally, the ripple effects put probably 17 to 20 million out of work. This is, and was a crisis situation, that would require extreme measures to even begin a correction. I contend, being ones who serve only to aid the very wealthy, the republicans used this crisis to further weaken the policies and programs which heretofore held the strength and safety of the "working middle class and poor" from the spoils of exploitation by the power of the wealthy. I actually looked at those "House passed bills", 28 of 'em, that Harry Reed is supposed to be sitting on. Republicans claim these are jobs bills. Nary a one has a gwaddamn thing to do with the generation of jobs. That claim is a ruse. Compromise is one thing. Power rolling Blackmail is quite another. That is; You lower taxes on the wealthy, cut the minimum wage, and we'll pass that road improvement bill you proposed. The country is in a republican mess. The president knows He owes the people what they need, and He should settle for no less. Due to the selfishness of the republicans, and lack of care for the betterment of all the people, the President has had to lead our mule up the rocky side of the mountain, but we all have realized some benefits from His perseverance. We have not yet fallen off the mountain, and He yet leads the mule. He is, in fact, a great leader.

                                  #9.18 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 3:07 PM EDT

                                  Mac .. I agree with parts ..disagree whole heartedly with the rest. The part you assume about me is that I am a Card carrying Republican..... I am not ...I am unemployed card carrying Democrat. I am unemployed Insulator out of Local 2 . The President has crushed the Middle Class here in our area. With his Uncertainty with his Energy Plan...many of the Power Plants are shutting down. I am a very angry and ticked off Democrat. If you look into Romneys Energy Plan he wants to revitalize the Fossil Fuel Power Plants. This PRESDINT has taken our Vote for granite as he pushes for Green Energy. Yes there is a role for Green Energy...but the capacity is only at 20 percent . Many Carpenters , boilermakers, Insulators,Steam Fitters , Sheet Metal workers are in the Unemployment line ..Thanks to President Obama . The Democratic Governor Challenger against our Current Republican Govenor Corbet started his Political Career in my parents kitchen. I have worked in many of our Local Power Plants.....Connemaugh,Keystone, ShippingPort , Sammis , Bruce Mansfield ...Many of my Union Brothers feel the same. They feel left behind and deceived by this Administration. My 18 yr old son leans left but is also turned off with this President . It is this President I do not like....The party I can forgive and come back too.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #9.19 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

                                  Mike-Pa#9.19: I really assumed you were probably not a real republican. I could tell you were really angry, but I also noticed you were very civil. Angry republicans are never civil to a democrat. While I have great sympathy with your predicament, I don't know enough about the particular situation concerning the closings of your power plants to offer any suggestions. I do have great empathy with you as a union brother though. I began with one of the auto companies as an hourly employee, and member of the UAW. Soon after though, I went into management training, then management, then college, and afterward, a process engineer with the same company. Later, I developed an idea about trucking (Engineers always have better ideas) and pursued and built my idea. It worked rather well. I've continued with it, along with financing for other concerns, and have thus far been able to make a pretty good living. Several people depend on me for their living, and several small businesses depend on me for their operating funds. Actually though, that is what they would say, but in reality, I am just as dependent on them for the work they do and the business they perform, which allows me to earn a good living, just as what I am able to provide them allows them the same. Without them, I wouldn't be worth a damn. Hence, one of my positions supporting my lifelong democratic beliefs. Mike, It has to be rough on you and your family. If I knew any way to help I certainly would. I will not ask you to change your vote. I believe you will follow your good sense, and honestly do whatever is most hopeful for you, and that is what you should do. I could go on and on here, especially about the many stories that parallel yours, but such yields no relief to any of your plights. I will sign off here by saying, You Sir, and your family, will have a permanent place, and much thought within my being for all my days. My best regards to you and your family Mike. Be watching for you. Sincerely, Mac Forrester

                                    #9.20 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 7:40 PM EDT

                                    Mac ..thanks for the words..Take care. always appreciate another point of view.

                                    PS..After talking to my son..and how he felt(the tone of the election) is why I wrote the apology after my angry post. People are angry and frustrated on both sides ....It should be appreciated and not taken personally....amazing what you can learn from the young adults..

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #9.21 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 12:05 AM EDT

                                    @mike-Pa#9.21: You got yourself a good and smart son. He may have a whole lot of His Mom in Him, but I'll bet there's a lot of you too. It's rough, but the rough will never overcome the tough. You're a tough one. Take care good man. Take care.

                                      #9.22 - Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:09 AM EDT
                                      Reply

                                      We Progressives love Fact Checks that prove Willard Mitt-Wit and Lying Ryan are "DAMN GOOD AT LYING."

                                      • 6 votes
                                      Reply#10 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

                                      They're not good at anything.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #10.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

                                      Like you are- but not as good as Obama's campaign team and supporting SuperPACs.

                                        #10.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:14 PM EDT

                                        oy-vay, what a joke you are...your post display an amazing capacity for ignorance, but then, you appear to be a republican so that would explain it.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #10.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:52 PM EDT

                                        They're not good at anything.

                                        Well, they are good at this:

                                        ...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

                                        April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

                                        DJIA Dec 26, 2008 8515
                                        DJIA Aug 31, 2012 13090

                                        Dec 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

                                        May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.

                                        or, at least, one helluva lot better than Republicans were (are)!

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #10.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:33 PM EDT
                                        Reply

                                        Seems Obama got an incomplete in meteorology too. When he was speaking in Louisiana Obama said, "What I pledge to these folks is to make sure we're getting on the case very quickly to figure out exactly what happened and to make sure it doesn't happen again." Hey Barrack, what happened was a Hurricane!!. Is making sure a Hurricane never happens again part of that Oceans receding thingy?

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#11 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                                        Obviously what he meant was what hapoened to New Orleans, and we learned last week that the improvements did in fact keep it from happening again. New Orleans would not exist without federal aid.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #11.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

                                        Rocco - you're totally dense. They are trying to determine why areas away from the levees flooded and how to avoid that in the future. See, not hard to understand when you actually take your thumb out of your mouth and try to make sense of things.

                                        jock59801 - I think Rocco is beyond help!

                                        Obama/Biden 2012

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #11.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:18 PM EDT

                                        Barack Obama hates black people??? Where are you Kanye?

                                          #11.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:46 PM EDT

                                          Rocco ... seems you ran to first base and started jumping around in joy and congratulating yourself for your bright and witty accomplishment, problem is that there are 3 more bases to cover dim-sum....understanding the impact of natural disasters and study result in a capacity to be better prepared to avert disaster and put measures in place to protect against damages...but that would necessitate you move on beyond that first based bag you are so proud of ... Hey Rocco..... "it's a hurricane"...my good gracious, the log bump speaks. I see ten times the intelligence in my Jack Russell Terrier, grow a brain cell or two buddy, your lack thereof is showing.

                                            #11.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 7:59 PM EDT
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                                            "The Roots of O'Bama's Rage" and "O'Bama's America".

                                            ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

                                              Reply#12 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

                                              WTF is an O'Bama - some sort of candy bar?

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                                              #12.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

                                              Because we really want to get our political propaganda from people who like to play with names like a 12-year-old.

                                              • 6 votes
                                              #12.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

                                              Didn't Carole just post above that they are getting ready to retire???? Face/palm ... seriously, I'm sure Romney has a seat for you on his 3rd grade express bus Carole. And you want your posts to be taken seriously?????

                                              • 5 votes
                                              #12.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

                                              Awww, c'mon, give Carole a break....she O'Irish or I'll eat my shamrock.

                                                #12.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:01 PM EDT

                                                Well they think he is a foreigner, so I guess Ireland is just as foreign as Kenya

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #12.5 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 10:08 PM EDT

                                                Well, before anybody gangs up on me. I would like to say, that I'm enjoying the Democratic Convention so far. I heard some speeches that were very moving. However MSNBC/NBC and the commentators are just too much for me. I see where the libs on this site get it from.

                                                As far as the economy and the question: Are you better off now that before? I would leave it to President Obama who said he would be a one term President if he could not fix it. Then he gave himself a B or B+ while in an interview with Oprahand now he gives himself an Incomplete. I think this was a gaff or a calculation to suggest that he needs 4 more years.

                                                Anybody with Grades like that should not get re-elected. My opinion and also half of the United States opinion.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #12.6 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 10:28 PM EDT

                                                SeekingSanity who writes.

                                                Rocco - you're totally dense. They are trying to determine why areas away from the levees flooded and how to avoid that in the future. See, not hard to understand when you actually take your thumb out of your mouth and try to make sense of things.

                                                jock59801 - I think Rocco is beyond help!

                                                The typical answers to anyone that does not meet InsaneSanitations ideals. The excuse of you calling people;

                                                Dense, stupid, idiot, unitelligent, jerk, mindless and not to mention 50 or so other adjectives is getting old and a bit childish, even for you.

                                                Please grow up and understand that in my book I believe that any woman should have the right to choose what she does with her body but she or her insurance should pay for it and not me.

                                                If she is the poor margine of can not afford it, or is for a medical reason then I don't mind that we pay it out off our taxes. Please make sure you read the last paragraph.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #12.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 10:38 PM EDT

                                                Concern, it refreshing to hear someone on the other side not be rabid. And yes, folks from either side do hurl insults on these comment boards. But I do have to ask you two questions, if you don't like the msnbc commentators why did you not watch the convention on a different channel? And if you are pointing out that people are calling people names, why you do not see your hypocrisy in calling seeking sanity InsaneSanitations?

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #12.8 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 11:58 PM EDT
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                                                The thing is he's right but he wasn't supposed to admit that. But if he wants to just point why he's incomplete is bring up all the filibusters on big chalk board in front of America when the debate comes and see show the people of America why we're not doing as well as we should. If Mr. Romney says "Well that show you a failed leader" if I'm the President I'll say "No Mr. Romney it shows I set the policy but I refuse to kiss the asses of the right wing of the Republican Party to cut your taxes just to give you an extra 200,000 in your pocket"

                                                • 6 votes
                                                Reply#13 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

                                                SOrry about the missed words in there but you should get the gist of what I'm trying to say.

                                                • 4 votes
                                                Reply#14 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

                                                No, not really. Try again.

                                                  #14.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

                                                  Jeffrey - Carole won't understand anything. She's just good at praising the Mormon Tabernacle Liar and lyin Ryan!

                                                  Obama/Biden 2012

                                                  • 5 votes
                                                  #14.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 6:19 PM EDT
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                                                  I love "Lemme tell you about women." That's the GOP all over the place.

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  Reply#15 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

                                                  Gotta agree, seems like republicans all want to grow up and be gynecologist or sumpthin'.

                                                    #15.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:02 PM EDT
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                                                    When you have a chinless inbred from kentucky stand on the floor of the senate during obama's first week in office and saying OUR NUMBE ONE OBJECTIVE is to make obama a one term president . The chinless inbrede didn't say anything about JOBS or anything that would of HELPED our country. The republicans held the debt hostage ,the federal transportation hostage ,the ffa hostage ,all for the sake of extending the tax cut to the wealthiest of americans . And what is really mind boggling is the fact that many of the idiots out there who buy this republican crap are probably struggling to pay bills and feed their children . Knowing full well that the mass EXODUS of jobs was during republican rule from 2000 to 2006. The stock market was tanking in early 2007 . I have mutual funds and lo and behold ,they are doing great . from 2006 to 2008 my wife and I lost quite a bit when the market tanked . So obama's self grade of incomplete fits ,thanks to the BLOCKADE the repukes have had in place since 2008. By the way an incomplete for obama is a hellof a lot better than the INCOMPETENCE grade the republicans have in congress .12% approval rating . I rest my case.

                                                    • 9 votes
                                                    Reply#16 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

                                                    It seems to me that this is an eletion about Obama's record and Romney's resume. Republicans do not want to talk about the Bush/Cheney years and that is why they weren't even invited to the convention. They say it is not about the past unless it is Obama's past. It is almost always partly about the past because that gives insight into the future. If conservative claims of low taxes, no union and no government regulations were the key to properity we would never have had the great depression.

                                                    • 5 votes
                                                    Reply#17 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

                                                    right on!

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #17.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:23 PM EDT
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                                                    What in the... where I'm from, the word "incomplete" does not mean "failing grades your teachers gave you in high school". Do they need a dictionary, these people? For real. I have one I can send. And, can I ask, what would be their response if Obama had been all, "Oh yeah, I did a super top-notch job, everything's hunky dory again." I bet they'd have said exactly the same thing. At least he was honest and modest.

                                                    • 7 votes
                                                    Reply#18 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:27 PM EDT

                                                    EXACTLY! I got an incomplete in college algebra last semester and continued this semester and I'm being very successful! I didn't fail, I extended my time to complete a course with more success and I am doing just fine. If this is the case and republicans want to argue on this, it is pathetic when they talk about businesses and "taking risks" because when you take a risk in business you have a 50% -50% chance you might fail. His plan is to cut taxes on businesses...ok I see, I get it. I understand the Republicans want to do that so the businesses make more profit and with that profit "hire" more people to "work" but how am I even sure that will happen? I trust Obama creating jobs affiliated with scientific research, energy sources, and extending education for more jobs to teachers and public schools. Because I KNOW these jobs are NEEDED. Businesses can kiss my ass because I dont know what the @!$%# they will do with the money they will get a break from! They might do like Romney did and ship the jobs to China and 3rd world countries instead of here! He couldve provided jobs with businesses when HE had a business and why didnt he?! If he didnt create jobs then, wtf makes me think other business men/ corporations will give a damn about you and me and jobs and blah blah blah! For all I know theyre greedy asses will pocket that money and keep on getting cheaper each day with the public while they wipe theyre ass with 100 dollar bills. "When will I get mine? Or must I be a god fearing American? Oh everything is fine, as long as you're a god fearing white American. Why should the thieves have all of the fun, selling us water by the river they dont speak for everyone. I'm ready to run and you're making me crawl selling me water by the river they dont speak for me at all."-Incubus

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                                                    #18.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:25 PM EDT
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                                                    Obama, Incomplete.

                                                    Bush, Failed.

                                                    Romney, More Bush.

                                                    Face it, we'll never be "complete". The question is what direction do you wan to go in? Forward into the future or back into the failed policies of the past (Gold Standard included).

                                                    • 6 votes
                                                    Reply#19 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

                                                    When you become president you are not guarunteed 8 years- you need to make a difference in your first four years and if you do a good enough job then you deserve the 2nd term. His "incomplete" is code for failure. He shouldn't get another 4 years because the first four weren't enough.

                                                      Reply#20 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

                                                      I am better off than I was 4 years ago -and everyone is better off than if a republican was in the whitehouse. Much has improved, it is just hard to see bacause we were so far down in the crap of the republican presidency. I admire Obama for saying things aren't finished yet, there is still work to do. Though, it is hard to do work when you have republicans not working with the president on anything. I think he has accomplished quite a bit considering the republican awful "I don't care if america fails" theory, "cuz I am not reaching across any isle." Call me crazy, but a part of me thinks some republicans are irked because there is a black man in the whitehouse-not that any of them would admit to this...

                                                      • 6 votes
                                                      #20.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:43 PM EDT

                                                      carlee...from what has been accomplished and the odds that they were accomplished under, in the face of republican treason and obstruction, I would say that we owe President Obama another eight on top of the four he has already as he carried the fight to protect America from the threat within. He is without a doubt one of the greatest presidents this nation will ever have.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #20.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:07 PM EDT
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                                                      Yup, Bush deserved a grade of "complete". He completely screwed this economy to the point where no president could successfully rebound in 4 years.

                                                      • 7 votes
                                                      Reply#21 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:31 PM EDT

                                                      Looks like Nicky Haley and her republican friends need to go back to school themselves. An incomplete grade does not mean a failure, it simply means you are not finished. I received an incomplete for a grade in college and when I finished I received what I had earned, an "A." These republicans are very negative, it is no wonder there has been no reaching across the bipartisan isel from them to Obama. What I see comming (and was witnessed at the convention) is the republicans splitting into 2 parties. The Tea party, conservatives want away from the mainstream repubs. When that happens it is not going to help the republican party and Mitt Roney played a big part in that.

                                                      • 5 votes
                                                      Reply#22 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

                                                      When you are fresh out of ideas on how to move the country forward, all you have left is distorting your opponent's words. Word games are not going to move us forward.

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      Reply#23 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

                                                      When elected as President you are elected for 4 years, not 8. You need to be able to make a difference in those four years so you deserve a 2nd term...his incomplete is code for failure. He hasn't done enough in the last 4 years to show that the next 4 will be any different.

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      Reply#24 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

                                                      So by that rationale, FDR's policies didn't solve the Depression by 1936, and people should have reelected Hoover or some other pro business guy and that would have solved everything faster? Kinda makes your argument look pretty simplistic.

                                                      • 6 votes
                                                      #24.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

                                                      Would be different if we gather up every stinking republican obstructionist and throw them into prison...maybe that is why Gitmo has remained open, it will be the new republican home away from home.

                                                        #24.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:11 PM EDT

                                                        Crazy person with voice in head,

                                                        Would Obama name Guantanamo the 58th state in the union?

                                                          #24.3 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:22 PM EDT

                                                          Maobama critic, guess you got an incomplete in geography, gitmo is in Cuba

                                                            #24.4 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 10:03 PM EDT

                                                            Let's see here, Michelle Obama is an unemployed black woman who took 16 vacations in 3 1/2 years that cost millions of dollars the came out of taxpayers pockets. Yup sounds like the typical liberal entitlement attitude to me.

                                                              #24.5 - Wed Sep 5, 2012 10:19 AM EDT
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                                                              didnt mean to post twice, sorry!

                                                                Reply#25 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

                                                                That's okay...majority of you republitards tend to have Tourettes anyway...and it wasn't worth reading in the base case.

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                                                                #25.1 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

                                                                That's ok carlee...seems like we are all getting excited, if it was not for the serious nature of the situation, this would make a great daytime soap opera.

                                                                  #25.2 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 8:13 PM EDT
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