VIDEO: First Read Minute: Day One at DNC kicks off
NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro are in Charlotte, North Carolina for the Democratic National Convention. They preview tonight's speeches by First Lady Michelle Obama and San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro.
After suffering through the Republican Convention, it is now time to enjoy a real convention where the truth be told and the candidates put our country first.
Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been caught. And the website scandal may also impact the Virginia U.S. Senate race that has former Governor Tim Kaine as the Democrats' nominee against ex-Senator and Governor George Allen. Why?
As reported in all manner of media outlets in September of 2010 (here at the Huffington Post, here on The Today Show and here in a 25-minute presentation at George Washington University posted on YouTube) it was then-DNC Chairman Kaine on whose watch the new DNC website was launched.
Now the fibs are the centerpiece of the Democratic National Committee's revamped Obama-saluting website as the Democrats gather for their Charlotte convention. And Wasserman Schultz, of course, is the DNC chair -- succeeding Kaine --by the grace of the Obama White House. Which certainly had the ability to block or change the contents -- and hasn't.
What are the lies?
Lie Number One: Check the "Our History" section, found here of the DNC's website. See it? The history section -- now written to reflect the history of the Obama administration -- begins with this breathtakingly bold lie:
For more than 200 years, our party has led the fight for civil rights…..
Lie Number Two: Then check here to see the DNC's "Issues" section on civil rights. That section begins with a second bold lie. This one:
Democrats have a long and proud history of defending Civil Rights and expanding opportunity for all Americans.
The DNC website in both its history and issues sections is literally wiped clean of any reference that this is the party that spent platform after platform after platform building a culture of racism.
Playing the race card, as it is politely called today.
There is zero indication on the revamped DNC website that not only are those first lines in each section blatant untruths, but that in those "more than 200 years" the party was a ferocious supporter of every race-judging idea imaginable, including slavery, segregation, and lynching.
Democrats are the party of Jefferson, who declared that we are all created equal. And we worked long and hard to make that real.
The video immediately skips from Jefferson -- to the 1900s.
Hmmmm. What might have happened between the time Jefferson left the White House in 1809 -- and the time the video picks up -- in 1920?
Specifically, neither the new history and issues sections of the Obama-controlled, Wasserman-Schultz-run DNC website, not to mention the video, ever whispers a hint that the Democrats:
· Supported slavery in 6 platforms from 1840-1860.
· Opposed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution that successively wiped out slavery and gave both legal rights and voting rights to black Americans.
· Supported segregation actively or by silence in 20 platforms from 1868-1948.
· Opposed anti-lynching laws, specifically supported by the GOP in four platforms between 1912 and 1928.
· Opposed the GOP-sponsored Civil Rights Acts of 1866, which focused on legal equality for blacks.
· Opposed the GOP on giving voting rights to blacks in the District of Columbia in 1867. The legislation was passed over the Democrats' objection..
· Nominated an 1868 presidential ticket of New York Governor Horatio Seymour and ex-Missouri Congressman Francis Blair. The Democrats pledged they would declare the Civil Rights laws passed by the GOP "null and void" and would refuse to enforce them. They lost to Ulysses Grant.
· Opposed the Enforcement Acts, three laws passed by the GOP between 1870 and 1871 targeting the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and making it a federal crime to block the right of blacks to vote, hold office, serve on juries and have equal protection of the laws with whites.
· Opposed the GOP Civil Rights Act of 1875, which prohibited discrimination of blacks in public accommodations.
· Used the Ku Klux Klan as what Columbia University historian Eric Foner calls "a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party." Nor is there reference to University of North Carolina historian Allen Trelease's description of the Klan as the "terrorist arm of the Democratic Party." Nor is there mention of the infamous 1924 Democratic Convention -- the "Klanbake" as it is known to history because hundreds of the delegates were Klan members. The Klan-written platform mixed the traditional Democratic message of progressivism and racism in the Klan-written platform.
· Repealed the Civil Rights laws enacted by GOP Congresses and presidents, already damaged by the Supreme Court. When Democrats gained control of both Congress and the White House in 1892, the Democrats' President Grover Cleveland signed the repeal on February 8, 1894.
None of this stark, vicious and frequently violent racial history, much of it detailed in Bruce Bartlett's Wrong on Race: The Democratic Party's Buried Past, is mentioned on the new website.
There is no polite way to put it. This DNC website presentation is a lie.
A deliberate, willful and very big lie. Hiding from the young, the innocent and the unwary the cold, hard and true facts of the Democratic Party's horrific racial history.
As we noted in this space four years ago when the Democrats were preparing to nominate then-Senator Obama, America's liberal party was ruthless then when it came to concealing the long, ghastly tale of their culture of racism.
Here's the party's history section as preserved on their website in 2008. Alas for the DNC, this fancy-tale is still findable on the web here.
As we wrote at the time, the 2008 party history skips neatly from pre-Civil War 1848 and picks up again when "the 19th Century came to a close." Effectively skipping all the history noted above. This is the same formula adopted by the 2010 video, except the video moves the clock further back to Jefferson's presidency before performing the same trick of skipping to the dawn of the 20th century.
The party made another version of this same lie when redoing their website for 2010, saying, as captured by the Romantic Poet's Weblog:
"Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That's why we've worked to pass every one of our nation's Civil Rights laws…."
Now.
Given the sheer boldness of the lie -- literally akin to writing a history of Germany that ends in 1933 and resumes in 1946, neatly skipping those historic trivialities of Adolf Hitler, the Nazis, and the mass murder of six million Jews (not to mention that small skirmish called World War II) -- why is there any surprise, any surprise at all, at the recent repeated surfacing of the culture of racism -- judging others by skin color -- by Obama media allies and politicians?
This cultural rot has been the backbone of American liberalism and its political party the Democrats -- for 212 years.
No wonder the DNC feels it has to lie.
This is the "real history" of the democrat party... I'm sure all of you libbies are proud of it!!
@Maxx Power: The parties have undergone platform changes throughout the years. The Democrats used to be the more conservative party and the Republicans the liberals.
Hey Maxx, next time just site the source so the links will work. Ol' Jeffrey Lord sure has a history of piling it on rather deep.
Wikipedia somewhat confirms it. The Democrats were split on the issue of slavery. This split results in the Democrat and Republican parties. The Democrats were for 'states rights' and held most of the political power in the southern states, while the Republicans controlled the northern states.
Sorry, I found this point after the edit timer expired. The parties' platforms switched about the time of FDR:
Under FDR, the Democratic Party became identified more closely with modern liberalism, which included the promotion of social welfare, labor unions, civil rights, and the regulation of business. The opponents, who stressed long-term growth and support for entrepreneurship and low taxes, now started calling themselves "conservatives."
@blackcatwhitecat The Bush Family, The Clinton Family, The Rockefeller Family the Kennedy Family (JFK Was Assassinated because he said he was going to Expose Secret Societies and he Turned on his Family), The Rothschild Family, well, Most of them want a New World Order.
slavery was a non issue during the civil war, it was a political gesture by Lincoln. You think he would have 'freed' the slaves from the very start. Enough with the racism, it isn't as rampant as FR, NBC, and every libtard in here posting says it is. You want to talk facts.. Please
slavery was a non issue during the civil war, it was a political gesture by Lincoln. You think he would have 'freed' the slaves from the very start.
It was an issue, but indirectly. The issue was with states' rights. This issue was only brought to light after there was talk of the federal government abolishing slavery.
Had you been paying attention in history class you might know why he didn't.
There had been talk of it beforehand, but freeing slaves from an economy extremely dependent on slave labor, especially during wartime, would absolutely annihilate their economy. In addition, by having the Confederacy still supporting slavery, and the Union being against it, international favor shifted to the Union (especially from Britain).
If Abraham Lincoln, were alive today he'd probably leave to too just Blacks, Latinos, gays, women, veterans, and other groups.
The bottom line, simply put, the republican party has moved so far to the extreme; it won't be long before they fall off the cliff and be come extinct old relics
bev you're a stupid racist. you like talking out your azz dont ya. I'm tired of the faux racism. Bev, do you enjoy the white hating Black panthers? I bet you're part of them huh. What a doosh bag.
Xabie you know i wouldnt have said that about you. but Xabie got something right about history. Hey you got something right. First time for everything. oh well Noid thinks everything bad in history was created by the GOP.
O boy, Jim Carey dropped by and fiddled with my decoder and now I get MSNBC. Goodbye CNN. Hello hi-def Rachel Maddow. By this time tomorrow, nah in about 5 minutes I should be a loquacious looney libtard lezzie lover. Sooooo …………………
When Romney talks about his taxes why do I hear an echo from the past?
Nixon, with a salary of $200,000, paid $792.81 in federal income tax in 1970 and $878.03 in 1971, with deductions of $571,000 for donating "vice-presidential papers". This was one of the reasons for his famous statement: "Well, I'm not a crook. I've earned everything I've got."
Nixon, with a salary of $200,000, paid $792.81 in federal income tax in 1970 and $878.03 in 1971, with deductions of $571,000 for donating "vice-presidential papers". This was one of the reasons for his famous statement: "Well, I'm not a crook. I've earned everything I've got."
@bcwc - Rachel's show is possibly the most informative on the air right now. i'm not a huge fan of the rest of the primetime lineup, but i try to watch her show. when i was out of work i watched the cycle and Martin Bashir, and i really wish those shows swapped with Chris, Ed, or the Reverend (i have to admit that Rev. Sharpton's show has turned my disapproval of him personally into high approval ratings. The guy is coming into his own in that show for me.)
on topic, you hear an echo because they are recycling the same garbage from 50 years ago and trying to put it into new packages. nothing has changed with the neo-con "government fails at everything" mantra, and as a result they don't try to come up with innovations or new ideas, just the same, tired, failed platforms from the glory days of the republican empire.
BCWC---you will find the entire MSNBC line up interesting and informative. Each show has its own things it does/quirks, etc. but each brings a good perspective to the news. And they cover issues that don't otherwise get a lot of coverage, like state issues that the national media ignore but that could impact us all since the states seem to copy each other.
Guys and Dolls, I used to watch MSNBC while I was living stateside. FOX where I am living as of now is considered comedy, down there is was down right scary.
Rachel's show is possibly the most informative on the air right now. i'm not a huge fan of the rest of the primetime lineup, but i try to watch her show. when i was out of work i watched the cycle and Martin Bashir, and i really wish those shows swapped with Chris, Ed, or the Reverend (i have to admit that Rev. Sharpton's show has turned my disapproval of him personally into high approval ratings. The guy is coming into his own in that show for me.)
LOL....biggest bunch of idiots on television. They are cartoon characters. They make Fox seem objective. Here is what Maddow is like when she doesn't control the guest list....clueless
NBC (no longer MS fieldday) is full of truth. Hell NBC would never edit video to promote a story in a certain way and incite racial tension. NBC is full of ethical journalists that are purely objective. Its where i get all my info.
If what you are looking for is simply entertainment, or the lies other sources give you, you are not required to watch. Or be here. Or comment.
Why? It's entertaining.
Maddow knows what causes the tides. O'Reilly thinks it is the magic hand of some Voodoo doll.
So what. O'Reilly will debate someone he does not agree with. For example he will go on the Daily Show and John Stewart will go on his show. Maddow can't debate a doorpost and win. The two times I've seen her with guests that are not sycophants she couldn't debate and ended up sitting quietly in a corner in a huff.
Lying Willard and Lying Ryan. No Way and No How can these two lying buffoons win anything, other than the votes of the low information folks, who know nothing and are fooled over and over again.
DumbFux is just pissy because what she MEANT to say was "republicans don't put LESBIANS on the high court......Don't worry Babe! you'll get it right one day....lmao
In the Lyan Ryan hall of fame, a special exhibit should go to his lie about his sub-3 hour marathon. Talk about stupid---easily fact-checked and finishing ANY marathon in ANY time is impressive-so why lie about it?
Democrats patronize Hispanic politicians by putting them in a local mayor's seat....while the antique geezer white liberal men in the Dem Party monopolize power as Governors and Senators.
Republicans elect more Hispanics, and elect Hispanics and women to Governorships..
i don't hate America, just intolerant greedy americans.
i don't hate the constitution, just those who want to take a document founded in the freedom of and from religion into a christian theocratic oligarchy and turn my wife and i into criminals because of the birth control method we use. i stay out of your bedrooms, stay the F!@# out of mine.
Your post is garbage, both on its intent and its logical fallacies. but hey, if it wasn't for propaganda the right wing wouldn't have anything to say...
i don't hate America, just intolerant greedy americans.
define greed. You mean you dont like republicans that are rich. You're ok with Kerry and Edwards, Corzine, Obama, Immelt, and tons of others.
don't hate the constitution, just those who want to take a document founded in the freedom of and from religion into a christian theocratic oligarchy and turn my wife and i into criminals because of the birth control method we use. i stay out of your bedrooms, stay the F!@# out of mine.
I agree, so you'll tell the Democrats to quit trying force everyone to pay for birth control?
Your post is garbage, both on its intent and its logical fallacies. but hey, if it wasn't for propaganda the right wing wouldn't have anything to say...
you were saying again? Yeah i thought so. sucks being a hypocrite
Tell me...do you currently have health care coverage? If you answered yes, I have bad news for you...THEY are most likely already making you pay for someone elses birth control.
I don't know. I'm not exactly briefed on classified wartime intelligence. Maybe you can put in a request to the CIA to keep me in the loop, and then I can answer your question?
If you answered yes, I have bad news for you...THEY are most likely already making you pay for someone elses birth control.
perhaps but not Sandra Fluke style.
Good one Clara and much like the DNC a joke.
I don't know. I'm not exactly briefed on classified wartime intelligence. Maybe you can put in a request to the CIA to keep me in the loop, and then I can answer your question?
oh ok, so while you complain of wars you give Obama a pass (you know we're still in Afghan) but Bush did it, no no no. its ok we all hypocrite sometimes, you lefties just do it more than others
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Mark & Domenico. There is no enthusiasm gap with me, for sure. I can't wait to vote for the re-election of President Obama. I'm already seeing yard signs for the President, too. Have yet to see a Romney sign.
CA--nice try with the false equivalency over the President's college records (which no other candidate has EVER released) and Mitt's tax returns (which every candidate since his own father has released). Won't work though---Mitt asks for our trust with the highest office in the land and then won't release even one complete year of returns?
So Caesar, did you drag out that question from your 2008 rolodex? Cause it's 2012.....and the answer has not changed. The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) (20 U.S.C. § 1232g; 34 CFR Part 99) is a Federal law that protects the privacy of student education records.
Can't get on the thread above but wanted to comment about Mitt's Labor Day celebration. If I had only 2 months to achieve a goal I had been working on for at least 6 years, if not my entire adult life, I can't see myself heading out on for some boating, holiday or not. I understand about recharging one's batteries but really---wasn't there some campaigning to be done?
And the country's debt climbed over $16,000,000,000,000.00. I can't believe how stupid you people supporting Obama are. I was stupid enough to believe his BS in 2008 and vote for the moron. He is the most mendacious individual who has ever sat in the oval office. Fool me once but I can tell you this time I would vote for a pile of dogsh*t before I would vote for this loser again.
There is an excellent quote, author unknown, “The essential difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals could not exist without conservatives to defend their freedom and support them economically. Conservatives, on the other hand, could exist, and live, quite well without liberals.”
Can you imagine a world without liberals? No welfare, no borrowing, or printing, 40 cents of every dollar we spend; respect for the flag, the Constitution, the military, and actually having a work ethic!
president Obama and vice president Ron Paul!!!!! sounds good doesn't it let's make it happen sorry Biden but we need Paul in the white house to offer dissenting opinions. think about it its a perfect match only in america could we have such a great team that really care about america one Obama has the creativity we need to get innovation and such rolling and the other Paul bring logical and common sense arguments about the basic necessities of life that are missing in politics today, I.E. clean food water medicine education supporting overall life and well being. Not war death abortions Franken-foods chemical laced water supplies, and dirty air and environment. what kind of world do you want for the babies? and yourself
Gary Johnson 2012!
After suffering through the Republican Convention, it is now time to enjoy a real convention where the truth be told and the candidates put our country first.
The Democratic National Convention, where the Greedy, Marxist, lying, New World Order scum are at!
sure Ron if you like garbage heaps you should love the DNC in NC. 'real breath of fresh air'.
New World Order is Bush 1. Read your history.
Here's an article about the "real" Democrat party...
The DNC's Bold Lies
By Jeffrey Lord
The lies are big, bold and prominent.
Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been caught. And the website scandal may also impact the Virginia U.S. Senate race that has former Governor Tim Kaine as the Democrats' nominee against ex-Senator and Governor George Allen. Why?
As reported in all manner of media outlets in September of 2010 (here at the Huffington Post, here on The Today Show and here in a 25-minute presentation at George Washington University posted on YouTube) it was then-DNC Chairman Kaine on whose watch the new DNC website was launched.
Now the fibs are the centerpiece of the Democratic National Committee's revamped Obama-saluting website as the Democrats gather for their Charlotte convention. And Wasserman Schultz, of course, is the DNC chair -- succeeding Kaine --by the grace of the Obama White House. Which certainly had the ability to block or change the contents -- and hasn't.
What are the lies?
Lie Number One: Check the "Our History" section, found here of the DNC's website. See it? The history section -- now written to reflect the history of the Obama administration -- begins with this breathtakingly bold lie:
For more than 200 years, our party has led the fight for civil rights…..
Lie Number Two: Then check here to see the DNC's "Issues" section on civil rights. That section begins with a second bold lie. This one:
Democrats have a long and proud history of defending Civil Rights and expanding opportunity for all Americans.
The DNC website in both its history and issues sections is literally wiped clean of any reference that this is the party that spent platform after platform after platform building a culture of racism.
Playing the race card, as it is politely called today.
There is zero indication on the revamped DNC website that not only are those first lines in each section blatant untruths, but that in those "more than 200 years" the party was a ferocious supporter of every race-judging idea imaginable, including slavery, segregation, and lynching.
Kaine even agreed to a short video version that begins by briefly saying:
Democrats are the party of Jefferson, who declared that we are all created equal. And we worked long and hard to make that real.
The video immediately skips from Jefferson -- to the 1900s.
Hmmmm. What might have happened between the time Jefferson left the White House in 1809 -- and the time the video picks up -- in 1920?
Specifically, neither the new history and issues sections of the Obama-controlled, Wasserman-Schultz-run DNC website, not to mention the video, ever whispers a hint that the Democrats:
None of this stark, vicious and frequently violent racial history, much of it detailed in Bruce Bartlett's Wrong on Race: The Democratic Party's Buried Past, is mentioned on the new website.
There is no polite way to put it. This DNC website presentation is a lie.
A deliberate, willful and very big lie. Hiding from the young, the innocent and the unwary the cold, hard and true facts of the Democratic Party's horrific racial history.
As we noted in this space four years ago when the Democrats were preparing to nominate then-Senator Obama, America's liberal party was ruthless then when it came to concealing the long, ghastly tale of their culture of racism.
Here's the party's history section as preserved on their website in 2008. Alas for the DNC, this fancy-tale is still findable on the web here.
As we wrote at the time, the 2008 party history skips neatly from pre-Civil War 1848 and picks up again when "the 19th Century came to a close." Effectively skipping all the history noted above. This is the same formula adopted by the 2010 video, except the video moves the clock further back to Jefferson's presidency before performing the same trick of skipping to the dawn of the 20th century.
The party made another version of this same lie when redoing their website for 2010, saying, as captured by the Romantic Poet's Weblog:
"Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That's why we've worked to pass every one of our nation's Civil Rights laws…."
Now.
Given the sheer boldness of the lie -- literally akin to writing a history of Germany that ends in 1933 and resumes in 1946, neatly skipping those historic trivialities of Adolf Hitler, the Nazis, and the mass murder of six million Jews (not to mention that small skirmish called World War II) -- why is there any surprise, any surprise at all, at the recent repeated surfacing of the culture of racism -- judging others by skin color -- by Obama media allies and politicians?
This cultural rot has been the backbone of American liberalism and its political party the Democrats -- for 212 years.
No wonder the DNC feels it has to lie.
This is the "real history" of the democrat party... I'm sure all of you libbies are proud of it!!
The truth will set you free!!
The middle class can't afford 4 more!!
Good. It's time for the real convention.
Obama - Biden 2012 Forward with the Truth!!!
LOL you first
Nova Ordo Seclorum
Hey Maxx, next time just site the source so the links will work. Ol' Jeffrey Lord sure has a history of piling it on rather deep.
@Maxx Power: The parties have undergone platform changes throughout the years. The Democrats used to be the more conservative party and the Republicans the liberals.
Wikipedia somewhat confirms it. The Democrats were split on the issue of slavery. This split results in the Democrat and Republican parties. The Democrats were for 'states rights' and held most of the political power in the southern states, while the Republicans controlled the northern states.
Sorry, I found this point after the edit timer expired. The parties' platforms switched about the time of FDR:
@blackcatwhitecat The Bush Family, The Clinton Family, The Rockefeller Family the Kennedy Family (JFK Was Assassinated because he said he was going to Expose Secret Societies and he Turned on his Family), The Rothschild Family, well, Most of them want a New World Order.
slavery was a non issue during the civil war, it was a political gesture by Lincoln. You think he would have 'freed' the slaves from the very start. Enough with the racism, it isn't as rampant as FR, NBC, and every libtard in here posting says it is. You want to talk facts.. Please
It was an issue, but indirectly. The issue was with states' rights. This issue was only brought to light after there was talk of the federal government abolishing slavery.
Had you been paying attention in history class you might know why he didn't.
There had been talk of it beforehand, but freeing slaves from an economy extremely dependent on slave labor, especially during wartime, would absolutely annihilate their economy. In addition, by having the Confederacy still supporting slavery, and the Union being against it, international favor shifted to the Union (especially from Britain).
Golf in Chicago
Had to get in my racist comment of the day.
thanks Noid but I'll pass on your history, you know the operation cyclone. Poor Noid.
Sure Xabie it was i'll give you that. But you see you lefties are not color blind and see everything as a black/white hate fest.
Mitt Romney on a lake in his fancy boat, had my elitist, "where's Mitt tax returns" comment of the day.
I believe you mean to say: "you lefties are colorblind"? Or was that a Freudian Slip for a compliment? :)
Maxx Power why are you posting that garbage? Blacks left the republics party with FDR.
http://ezkool.com/2011/04/why-blacks-left-the-republican-party/
If Abraham Lincoln, were alive today he'd probably leave to too just Blacks, Latinos, gays, women, veterans, and other groups.
The bottom line, simply put, the republican party has moved so far to the extreme; it won't be long before they fall off the cliff and be come extinct old relics
4 more for 44
Obama/Biden2012
that's funny, cut and paste from a conservative rag like the spectator. weren't these guy who called
bush a economic genius?
bev you're a stupid racist. you like talking out your azz dont ya. I'm tired of the faux racism. Bev, do you enjoy the white hating Black panthers? I bet you're part of them huh. What a doosh bag.
Xabie you know i wouldnt have said that about you. but Xabie got something right about history. Hey you got something right. First time for everything. oh well Noid thinks everything bad in history was created by the GOP.
Obama 2012
Romney 1040
O boy, Jim Carey dropped by and fiddled with my decoder and now I get MSNBC. Goodbye CNN. Hello hi-def Rachel Maddow. By this time tomorrow, nah in about 5 minutes I should be a loquacious looney libtard lezzie lover. Sooooo …………………
When Romney talks about his taxes why do I hear an echo from the past?
Nixon, with a salary of $200,000, paid $792.81 in federal income tax in 1970 and $878.03 in 1971, with deductions of $571,000 for donating "vice-presidential papers". This was one of the reasons for his famous statement: "Well, I'm not a crook. I've earned everything I've got."
RomRyaney-Baloney 2012: Vultures with Vouchers
Wait, you being serious?
@bcwc - Rachel's show is possibly the most informative on the air right now. i'm not a huge fan of the rest of the primetime lineup, but i try to watch her show. when i was out of work i watched the cycle and Martin Bashir, and i really wish those shows swapped with Chris, Ed, or the Reverend (i have to admit that Rev. Sharpton's show has turned my disapproval of him personally into high approval ratings. The guy is coming into his own in that show for me.)
on topic, you hear an echo because they are recycling the same garbage from 50 years ago and trying to put it into new packages. nothing has changed with the neo-con "government fails at everything" mantra, and as a result they don't try to come up with innovations or new ideas, just the same, tired, failed platforms from the glory days of the republican empire.
hey Tarzarn you mean Rachel Ray? and you speak of propaganda, intent and fallacies.
LOL@U
Tzalaran, UP with Chris Hayes on week-end mornings is very informative also. Well worth watching.
BCWC---you will find the entire MSNBC line up interesting and informative. Each show has its own things it does/quirks, etc. but each brings a good perspective to the news. And they cover issues that don't otherwise get a lot of coverage, like state issues that the national media ignore but that could impact us all since the states seem to copy each other.
Wow, two liberals who watch the crazy ranting liar Rachel Maddow on MSNBC...that is about half his audience.
Xabre ... Yes.
Guys and Dolls, I used to watch MSNBC while I was living stateside. FOX where I am living as of now is considered comedy, down there is was down right scary.
LOL....biggest bunch of idiots on television. They are cartoon characters. They make Fox seem objective. Here is what Maddow is like when she doesn't control the guest list....clueless
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/23/rachel-maddow-real-time-nick-gillespie_n_1620826.html
Alan, Bob, et al, those of us who enjoy real news, and facts, find the MSNBC lineup informative.
If what you are looking for is simply entertainment, or the lies other sources give you, you are not required to watch. Or be here. Or comment.
bcwc. . .
Yay for you! And that was one trippy movie!
NBC (no longer MS fieldday) is full of truth. Hell NBC would never edit video to promote a story in a certain way and incite racial tension. NBC is full of ethical journalists that are purely objective. Its where i get all my info.
Alan, NJ
Maddow knows what causes the tides. O'Reilly thinks it is the magic hand of some Voodoo doll.
Why? It's entertaining.
So what. O'Reilly will debate someone he does not agree with. For example he will go on the Daily Show and John Stewart will go on his show. Maddow can't debate a doorpost and win. The two times I've seen her with guests that are not sycophants she couldn't debate and ended up sitting quietly in a corner in a huff.
pseudo-intellectual = Rachel Maddow.
Republicans put women on a stage...
...Democrats put them on the Supreme Court!
Nuff said!
PS: Isn't Willard telling 533 lies in 30 months some kind of record of something?
Although, lyin Ryan appears to be very competitive when it comes to setting his panties on fire!
I guess the secret service changed Ryan's "secret code" name from "Cup Cake" to" Bow Hunter"!
Where did you get that number from?
And they keep firing fire fighters ... go figure
http://crooksandliars.com/blue-texan/post-truth-campaign-mitt-romney-tells-5
You're welcome!
Well, President Reagan was the one who nominated Justice O'Connor...but that was 30 years ago.
proof? and i dont mean the vodak you pour down your gullet
serious proof. you might as well quote the onion Feisty.
What is "vodak"?
Lying Willard and Lying Ryan. No Way and No How can these two lying buffoons win anything, other than the votes of the low information folks, who know nothing and are fooled over and over again.
its a GOP taliban word dolt. its called a typo. VODKA DA!
*cough*Sandra*cough*Day*cough*O'Connor*cough*
DumbFux is just pissy because what she MEANT to say was "republicans don't put LESBIANS on the high court......Don't worry Babe! you'll get it right one day....lmao
You are a hack and a coward
In the Lyan Ryan hall of fame, a special exhibit should go to his lie about his sub-3 hour marathon. Talk about stupid---easily fact-checked and finishing ANY marathon in ANY time is impressive-so why lie about it?
Uh Michael....that was over 30 years ago.
Could we keep the comments a little more contemporary? You know...in the current century would be good!
Nice example little Paulie is setting for his kids!
Democrats patronize Hispanic politicians by putting them in a local mayor's seat....while the antique geezer white liberal men in the Dem Party monopolize power as Governors and Senators.
Republicans elect more Hispanics, and elect Hispanics and women to Governorships..
Nuff said..
LMAO....then why on God's green earth is Bill "I Heart Chicks & Cigars" Clinton speaking this Wednesday?!?
Just kickin it wit da boys on da good 'ol days in the last century????
Do you hacks even think before you type?
Great point Coward DumbFux!
I bet you wonder what Chelsea thinks of cigars and blue dresses and what her daddy does to a woman's uterus?!
Very nice example indeed!
You Support Obama? Why do you hate America? And why do you Hate the Constitution?
i support Obama.
i don't hate America, just intolerant greedy americans.
i don't hate the constitution, just those who want to take a document founded in the freedom of and from religion into a christian theocratic oligarchy and turn my wife and i into criminals because of the birth control method we use. i stay out of your bedrooms, stay the F!@# out of mine.
Your post is garbage, both on its intent and its logical fallacies. but hey, if it wasn't for propaganda the right wing wouldn't have anything to say...
If Obama has done something against the Constitution, wouldn't the members of the House be the first ones just waiting to bring charges?
define greed. You mean you dont like republicans that are rich. You're ok with Kerry and Edwards, Corzine, Obama, Immelt, and tons of others.
I agree, so you'll tell the Democrats to quit trying force everyone to pay for birth control?
you were saying again? Yeah i thought so. sucks being a hypocrite
Will you show us the part in the Constitution about birth control?
yes its right next the Christian Theocracy Noid.
If Progressives Hated America and the Constitution, we’d VOTE Republican.
Obama-Biden 2012! Forward with the Truth!!!
Sure, my taxes can pay for birth control, your taxes can pay for bombs in Afghanistan. Fair?
sure Xabie..hey speaking of Afghan. How come O hasnt pulled us out? Is it Bushes fault? No thats right the Tea Party.
Job1 keep up the spamming of the same comments Feisty will report you and have you deleted LOL
Ever the witty one, aren't you, Caesar.
Tell me...do you currently have health care coverage? If you answered yes, I have bad news for you...THEY are most likely already making you pay for someone elses birth control.
I don't know. I'm not exactly briefed on classified wartime intelligence. Maybe you can put in a request to the CIA to keep me in the loop, and then I can answer your question?
Perhaps President Obama doesn't use the "Rhythm Method".
badumpah,...
I'll be here all week. Try the veal.
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perhaps but not Sandra Fluke style.
Good one Clara and much like the DNC a joke.
oh ok, so while you complain of wars you give Obama a pass (you know we're still in Afghan) but Bush did it, no no no. its ok we all hypocrite sometimes, you lefties just do it more than others
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Mark & Domenico. There is no enthusiasm gap with me, for sure. I can't wait to vote for the re-election of President Obama. I'm already seeing yard signs for the President, too. Have yet to see a Romney sign.
SF - Bain is waiting for a printing shop to buy so they can outsource the jobs and buy the signs from China....
GNOP can't stand facts..THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
C'mon Mythe - show us the 1040's...What ARE YOU hiding@?
Obama college records what are you HIDING?
Democrats just can't make up enough facts quick enough
Romney signs outnumbering Obama signs in Virginia...there is no way that Obama will win Virginia or North Carolina in 2012....no way.
Says the guy who SWORE Bob Vaginal Probe McDonnell would be the VP pick! lmao!
Hope do don't mind if I don't take your word for it!
CA--nice try with the false equivalency over the President's college records (which no other candidate has EVER released) and Mitt's tax returns (which every candidate since his own father has released). Won't work though---Mitt asks for our trust with the highest office in the land and then won't release even one complete year of returns?
Wriong as usual, Feisty.
I was lobbying for McDonnell, who was probably the runner up. Never thought he was a slam dunk, there were many great candidates.
Gov McDonnell will ensure Virginia goes for Romney. Guaranteed.
Caesar Augustus-
Obama college records what are you HIDING?
So Caesar, did you drag out that question from your 2008 rolodex? Cause it's 2012.....and the answer has not changed. The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) (20 U.S.C. § 1232g; 34 CFR Part 99) is a Federal law that protects the privacy of student education records.
The rest of us have moved on cupcake.
Sorry Booby,
Your comment history says the complete opposite!
No worries, you wing nuts can't even remember what you had for breakfast, let alone yesterday...
It's the problem with liars, tough to keep their stories straight! ;o)
Bob in Virginia-5210392
Gov McDonnell will ensure Virginia goes for Romney. Guaranteed
How can a Governor "guarantee" the results of an election?
Now Bob, are you suggeting he's involving himself in the count process?
Can't get on the thread above but wanted to comment about Mitt's Labor Day celebration. If I had only 2 months to achieve a goal I had been working on for at least 6 years, if not my entire adult life, I can't see myself heading out on for some boating, holiday or not. I understand about recharging one's batteries but really---wasn't there some campaigning to be done?
Uh...these campaign signs...do they get to vote?
Hey vermont you're right you've moved on to bigger things. Like Ann Romney's dress and dogs. but you see Obama thinks its 1917
Obama to union members when he steps on the newly completed convention stage. "You didn't build this"
Union members understand that it can take generations to build something lasting.
you're kidding right BCWC? yeah you are, you'd have to be. oh well perhaps being a brit you should focus on Prince Harry instead
Aww...republicans/teabaggers are feeling butthurt and panicky at the thought of President Obama's reelection.
Get ready for it republicans/teabaggers...there's LOTS more pain and suffering to come for you.
I can feel a 1980 Reaganesque LANDSLIDE Brewing, and so can YOU Dems in despair.
Bye Bye Barrak & Michelle, have a safe trip back to Chicago this January
Any woman or minority who votes for a Republican is like the doctor who plans to perform brain surgery on himself.
didn't Bill Frist try that? I kid.
Any taxpayer that votes Democrat is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders!
And the country's debt climbed over $16,000,000,000,000.00. I can't believe how stupid you people supporting Obama are. I was stupid enough to believe his BS in 2008 and vote for the moron. He is the most mendacious individual who has ever sat in the oval office. Fool me once but I can tell you this time I would vote for a pile of dogsh*t before I would vote for this loser again.
Ryan helped build it!
GNOP can't stand facts..THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
C'mon Mythe - show us the 1040's! What ARE YOU hiding@?
There is an excellent quote, author unknown, “The essential difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals could not exist without conservatives to defend their freedom and support them economically. Conservatives, on the other hand, could exist, and live, quite well without liberals.”
Can you imagine a world without liberals? No welfare, no borrowing, or printing, 40 cents of every dollar we spend; respect for the flag, the Constitution, the military, and actually having a work ethic!
no living wage
no education
no FAIR standards
Yeah, that sounds like a REAL utopia, there, sparky!
president Obama and vice president Ron Paul!!!!! sounds good doesn't it let's make it happen sorry Biden but we need Paul in the white house to offer dissenting opinions. think about it its a perfect match only in america could we have such a great team that really care about america one Obama has the creativity we need to get innovation and such rolling and the other Paul bring logical and common sense arguments about the basic necessities of life that are missing in politics today, I.E. clean food water medicine education supporting overall life and well being. Not war death abortions Franken-foods chemical laced water supplies, and dirty air and environment. what kind of world do you want for the babies? and yourself