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Subscribe to RSSYORK, Pa. -- Vice President Joe Biden today slammed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney for calling the Iraq and Afghanistan troop drawdowns "a mistake" and said the GOP nominee is "ready to go to war" in Syria and Iran.
"Listen to what he says about foreign policy. You caught some of it in his [convention] speech," Biden told a crowd of over a 1,000 at a Pennsylvania high school. "He said it was a mistake to end the war in Iraq and bring all of our warriors home."
Biden added, "He said it was a mistake to set an end date for our warriors in Afghanistan and bring them home. He implies by the speech that he's ready to go to war in Syria and Iran. He wants to move from cooperation to confrontation with Putin's Russia."
While Romney has opposed the administration's strategy of timetabled troop exits for both wars, he did not address either conflict in his convention speech. Democrats have skewered Romney for failing to once mention Iraq or Afghanistan in his remarks to a primetime audience last Thursday night. (The campaign counters that he offered a lengthy foreign policy earlier last week.)
Romney did criticize Obama's policies towards Iran and Russia during his convention speech, saying "under my administration ... Mr. Putin will see a little less flexibility and more backbone."
Biden also had harsh words Sunday for his VP counterpart, Rep. Paul Ryan.
Mentioning Ryan's statement last week that "The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves," Biden listed off education and health initiatives that he says would be cut under the Romney-Ryan plan.
"I'd like to change the quote of my distinguished colleague, Congressman Ryan," he said. "I think the truest measure of a *political party* is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves. And by that standard, it's no contest."
*** UPDATE *** The Romney campaign issued this response, although it didn't include a mention about foreign policy: “Just today, President Obama’s own surrogates admitted that we are not better off than we were four years ago. It’s clear that we need to move in a different direction, but Vice President Biden only brought the same failed policies and tired attacks to Pennsylvania that have not turned around our economy or helped the middle class. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a plan for a stronger middle class that will bring back jobs and jumpstart the economy.”
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Joltin' Joe Biden has been wrong about foreign policy for a long long time.
Am Spectator:
"Joe Biden is lecturing Mitt Romney on foreign policy. That's rich. Next up, Bobby Petrino or Gregg Williams on coaching ethics. After that, Newt Gingrich on humility, and George McGovern on the virtues of hawkishness.
"Biden's list of foreign policy blunders, or self-contradictions, is long. He advised against the bin Laden raid. He was wrongly against the first Gulf War. He was wrong for more than a decade on the Cold War. He even harmed national security by blurting out the secret location of the Veep's emergency bunker.
"As Foreign Policy writer Thomas Ricks once asked, "When was the last time Biden was right about anything?"
From the "intelligence" siezed in the bin Laden raid ....
What else can anyone say .... When the worst mass murdering terrorist in history thinks you are such an idiot that you are not even worth killing ... that you will do more damage to America by being left alive?
I'm tired of hearing Romney and now Ryan say "they misspoke or we miss understood their statements". Their liars, they said exactly what they meant. When called on the lie, they immediately said "Oh! I must have misspoke etc, etc, I certainly didn't mean that". How anyone can even consider voting for these liars is beyond.
Looking forward to the Democratic Convention. At least we won't see Big Clint Eastwood make a fool of the whole Republican Convention. Way to go Clint. We loved it. LOL.
OBAMA IN 2012.
Mitt's foreign policy is bank your money offshore.
bob-1805084
Wow, I see bob is taking his talking points from terrorists. Next stop for words of wisdom, Gitmo, bob? You are the dullest tool in the shed.
The last mystery of the Universe may well be why Republi@!$%#s enjoy being slapped.
Nice try, bob...but what it really comes down to is that bin Laden is dead.
Shot dead, thrown into the ocean, shark bait.
The raid was carried out by Seal Team 6, but President Barack Obama made it a priority of his administration to bring the world's number one terrorist to justice, and he did. Obama made the decision to carry out the raid that got bin Laden. The history books will give Obama the credit, even if you won't.
But you wouldn't give Obama credit for anything. So what else is new?
Maybe we can stop being concerned about bin Laden's perceptions and preferences. He's dead.
Got it? Dead.
If bin Laden was your hero because he supposedly dismissed Joe Biden, your hero is dead.
Bob in VA - you'd be comical if you weren't just so darned desperate. Joe Biden can walk circles around both Romney and Ryan as far as foreign policy is concerned and even Republicans in Congress give him that.
Romney/Ryan would start a war-with troops on the ground - in Syria as quickly as possible should they win the election. They don't give a damn about the troops or the lives lost - just putting money in the pockets of the war machine - like Halibuton.
Your lack of respect for Biden says it all about you. You're desperate, uneducated, and don't have a candidate that is worth two cents.
Obama/Biden 2012
Does Romney even have a foreign policy...other than outsourcing US jobs and making obscene profits?
Romney did not even mention Afghanistan...where our soldiers have made sacrifices. So much about the GOP as the party people have trusted in defense matters.
Pres. Obama has been a GREAT commander-in-chief, killing bin Laden and ending two hapless Bush's wars.
Paul Ryan looks like a young rising star in the GOP... that's fine...with GOP's farm system.
But is Ryan ready for Prime Time of foreign policy...if anything happens to 'President' Romney - yeah, right, Pres. Romney - totally hypothetically?
All Pretty Boy Ryan has regarding anything 'international' ... is ... to have ONCE had breakfast at the INTERNATIONAL House of Pancakes - yeah, I remember he IS a member of that HOUSE.
correction to #1.8
Romney did not even mention Afghanistan...in his acceptance speech ... why? Not enough potential for Mitt to make more profits...I thought Mitt is running for President, not Vulture - in - Chief.
Do we want more wars, with Syria, for example?
I thought Mitt promised to reduce the deficit and balance the budget, but with more wars like that, it's absolutely impossible to balance the budget and cut spending.
Can we take care of ourselves first? Can we fix our own problems first, such as extreme gap between the rich and poor .. or wait, then Mitt IS the problem, not the solution.
I close my case, time to come out and vote to Go FORWARD.
blackcat -
What an insipid, trite little post? You got nothing, huh?
Talking point from terrorists? How about a talking point from Clinton ....
…. ”He had to decide …. that’s what you hire a president to do … you hire the president to make the calls when no one else can … nobody can make the decision for him.”
(Pretty funny coming from a president that suffered 6 terrorist attacks where Americans died in 8 years and couldn’t decide what to do when Sudan offered bin Laden on a platter … but hey .. the guy still looks and sounds good on TV to the clueless.)
The editors of IBD had a slightly different take on that, though …. stating in their “Memo Reveals The ‘Gutsy’ Bin Laden Call That Wasn’t” … “the final decision to pull the trigger on the world’s most-wanted man was delegated to an admiral who undoubtedly would have been thrown under the bus had the mission failed.”
Clinton talks about the risks, the SEALs … “suppose they had been captured or killed … the downside would have been horrible for him.”
The downside would have been horrible for Obama – that is what Obama’s main concern was … his political risk?
How pathetic .... no wonder it took 8 months for Obama to make the decision, huh?
And btw, 25 of SEAL Team 6 were killed … 4 months later … 4 months after the Obama administration outed SEAL Team 6 in their celebration and naïve exhuberance … all killed in a planned ambush of SEAL Team 6 – resulting in the largest SEAL loss in history!
Think that was a coincidence? About as coincidental as 2 airliners flying into the 2 tallest buildings in NYC on the same morning – resulting in the largest loss of life in history, huh?
Obama honors the heroes by disregarding the families wishes for no cameras at Dover .... Obama got his own photographer ... got his money shot and got it posted the same day.
Obama cares so much for these guys, he even sent out form letters signed by the robo pen to the families .... the very heroes he personally met and promised to have back for a beer .... form letters on their deaths signed by a computer!
What a pos.
Want to talk about Afghanistan .... the war Obama said had to be won .... the war he said he would win?
How many years has it been since anyone has even heard Obama say the words “win and “Afghanistan” in the same sentence. How many times has Obama even talked about Afghanistan .. what 2 addresses in 3 ½ years … one announcing doubling down while giving the Taliban what is tantamount to a “we quite date” and the other confirming the “we are still quiting?”
Does anyone realize that of the total losses in Afghanistan – 75% have come under Obama … 3 out of every 4 deaths have come under Obama in just 3 ½ years of the 10 year war?
Does anyone realize that our average monthly loss rate under Obama is over 5 TIMES the loss rate under Bush, that in 25 of Obama’s 44 months – we have lost more lives than Bush’s worst month …. All for a “responsible withdrawal” …. A place Obama is going to just walk away from!
So what do you want slap me about?
Plenty there ... be a big kitty and step up.
So Bob, what is YOUR experience? What was Ryan's experience or Romney's? Here is a quote from a non-partisan group describing the Vice President.
Biden was a long-time member and former chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.
Just because this man doesn't agree with YOU he's inexperienced or wrong? Please spare us the BS.
Bob, what were the losses in Iraq for a totally useless war? Just some @!$%#ing blood on your saddle. What the @!$%# is with you? Only those who die under the GOP are worthy because their policies are worthy? I don't care how you argue that statement, but that is the hellish road you are walking. In the words of the great pastor, " God damn the USA of bob."
blackcat -
Nice deflection. But gosh, you sure aren't very good at slapping anyone around when you can't argue or refute one point.
Pretty much nothing but the intellect and frustration of a sh*t slinging zoo monkey, huh?
bob- you're a liar. The families of soldiers returning to Dover had requested, in the past, that photographers be allowed there when their loved ones remains were returned, to remind the nation of the sacrifices being made in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush refused and never went to honor the fallen.
President Obama acknowledged their sacrifice and continues to. You're totally lying and you have to know it.
It took President Obama 8 months to make the call because he wanted to make sure about his information and to be sure it was the best decision he could make, with the least amount of risk for our troops! Again, you're a liar.
Again, you're a liar about the letters! Just a damned liar! He has done what EVERY President has done in the past as far as the letters are concerned.
You're nothing but a lying Republican and you don't have the honor or integrity to even talk about our Military - whose programs have been given more support under this President than any other in history.
You're disgraceful - but a good lying Republican! And, you're the sh*t slinging zoo monkey - no one else you filthy piece of garbage!
Obama/Biden 2012
Bob, why should I bother when you refute your own points by wandering off into the land of my supposed nice deflections? I would return your course in debating to China if I were you. Find a soul, it is not painful to incorporable one. You might even be able to stand on two legs and do the requisite chant. Remember who brought you Monday and hoist one for them.
One last thing ...
That should read ... the USA of B.O.B. ..... the USA of Blameit On Bush.
Obama's pastor was prophetic ... the USA has been damned since his clueless community organizer in chief has been president.
And gosh blackcat, you have to have the pathetic seeping sanity try to do your job .... the person that when ask if the combined price of a bat and a ball was $11 and the bat cost $10 more than the ball = how much is the ball .... COULDN'T COME UP WITH THE ANSWER!
Too funny ... you libbies are a blast.
bob - again you're a damned liar. From ABC - August 30, 2012.
The White House today disputed the suggestion that the president had used an auto-pen to sign condolence letters to the families of Navy SEALs killed in a Chinook crash in Afghanistan last year.
"The President personally signs every letter to the families of fallen service members in Iraq and Afghanistan," said White House National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor, "and he has said many times that it is one of the most difficult parts of his job and a reminder of the extraordinary sacrifices made by our men and women in uniform.
The White House did not dispute that the letters were form letters, but that would appear to not be unique to this president. A 2003 Newsweek story reported that the sympathy letters grieving families had received from President George W. Bush were "form letters. With the exception of the salutation and a reference to the fallen soldier in the text, the letters the families shared with me are all the same."
Any more lies you want to post? Did you have a problem with the fact that Bush used form letters? Did you have a problem that he NEVER was at Dover to honor our fallen as they returned?
You're the typical Republican HYPOCRITE!
Bob - make any parting shot you want. You're posts are worthless gutter trash - much like you. The pastor mentioned does not and did not speak for our President. And, neither, thank God, does trash like you!
If you want to look at the party that has consistently thrown this country under the bus it is clearly the GOP and their treasonous Congressional representatives!
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bob - you're totally useless as a person and you base intelligence on one stupid question? That's about your speed. I really don't care to match wits with someone like you who is clearly less than half-prepared at all times.
Yep! I made a stupid mistake on that question but since I work while posting I occasionally will make a mistake. I just don't make it when it comes to my choice of President. See I want the intelligent man - not the Mormon Tabernacle Liar!
Go away and brood, bob, because all you've proved today is that - as usual - you know nothing about anything!
Obama/Biden 2012
The White House today disputed the suggestion that the president had used an auto-pen to sign condolence letters to the families of Navy SEALs killed in a Chinook crash in Afghanistan last year.
AND
President Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta traveled to Dover and attended the dignified transfer ceremony.
So he was so lazy/disrespectful/uncaring that he wouldnt sign the condolence letters but yet traveled to the transfer ceremony?
If you werent so blinded by Obama Derangement Syndrome you could at least think things through
Gosh seeping, need some attention?
Ok.
Sure ... they wanted their loved ones sacrifices exploited for political purposes by the anti-war lefties. They just loved all those daily updates ... the daily death counts on the news. Funny that you rarely hear the numbers under Obama, huh.
How ignorant.
Bush never politicised it like it Obama. He met quietly with the families, without the cameras ...
Never heard the Gold Star families speak about Bush, how much they love and respect Bush ...
Btw - how could the SEAL Team families ok the pictures during the Bush administration when their sons had not even died yet?
Funny that there were no pictures of Dover by the press ... only the picture of Obama saluting, huh. He did not shoot the picture with caskets - but violated the family wishes by taking this opportunity for political reasons.
Pretty dispicable. It is what it is.
Obama can fool the tools, but he ain't fooling the families.
McCraven made the calls. Too bad the Panetta letter proves you are lying. Btw - How about the doc that confirmed bin Laden was there by his DNA ... the guy that made the raid possible, the guy that Obama hung out to dry and is now sitting in a prison cell?
About the form letters and robo pen?
I didn't get the letters ... I didn't compare all the signatures signed the exact same way in the exact same place.
You want to call the families liars, that's your priviledge, stupidity and disrespect.
And about the White House denying it ....duh.
What do expect from this pos?
dwsd
The website screwed up and messed up my post above.
Romney did not talk about the Afghan war launched by his fellow Repugnant Bush. Instead the GOP put Eastwood there to talk to an empty chair purported to be the President.
Mitt the Vulture should have known that there are now so many empty chairs in American homes because Bush's 2 wars led to so many of young men/women to lose their lives. Now the chairs for them are empty. But the GOP, the party of family values and wars, didn't want to address the real empty chairs in American homes, instead, the GOP decided to lash out at the President who have visited both Afghanistan and Iraq, called veteran families, and attended veteran funerals.
Talking about someone is out of touch? Mitt the Coldblooded Vulture
Gee Bob, I hate to pile on, but you really do come across as an angry person. I hope they are paying you well.
They should invite Clint Eastwood to the democratic convention, then we'd see how good he'd be at speaking to the President face to face... I've always enjoyed Eastwood's movies, but when I get that old and foolish,I would hope my family would watch out for me... Sad to have allowed that ridiculous act...
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bob - as always - you just lie and lie and lie.....
The families of the fallen soldiers had asked Bush for years to have their loved ones return to Dover photographed - he refused because he did not want to have the number of dead emphasized in an already unpopular war. He NEVER went to visit when the fallen returned - NEVER!
President Obama promised he would and it was one of the first things he did after becoming President. Your entire post is all lies - made up by you.
If you want to talk about fooling the tools - it is totally about you the tool and the fool. You haven't posted anything that is true. It is all lies.
It must be sad to know you have to post lies to promote "your side" but it's all the GOP has - one lie after another!
Obama/Biden 2012
"Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a plan for a stronger middle class that will bring back jobs and jumpstart the economy.”
The Romney-Ryan secret plan is to talk about a plan and nothing more. If they have such a great plan, why don't they talk about it? Which leads me to believe:
1) They have no plan
2) OR They have a plan but they cannot reveal it till after the elections (because it's bad)
Bravadu
Sounds like you thought Pelosi was just fine with her "You have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" comment.
How about referencing the whole quote, Reb? Then maybe you'll be accurate in your assessment of her statement.
Bravadu -- You left out one other possibility:
3) They have a plan but they cannot reveal it until after the elections, because it is the exact same as President Obama's plan that the republicans have been obstructing. They can't say anything because it would show their hypocrisy, and President Obama might just call them out on it, saying "I agree, let's pass it NOW!"
Mitt the Vulture's plan is to destroy the Middle Class with his vulture capitalism and then send our middle class kids all to more foreign wars, so that more obscene profits can be made overseas without any benefit to our soldiers who come back to find no jobs, no affordable healthcare - the closest thing to an affordable healthcare is ObamaCare GOP has threatened to destroy.
Pigotry, both Ryan and Romney want to destroy the middle class. So sad what has become of today's politicians in the GOP. And so many millions of people not paying attention to what the Republicans are doing.
It was said this morning that Romney only talked about himself and Obama during his Convention. And that President Obama this Thursday instead will talk about America's 300 million people.
Bring on the Democrats. Thank thank goodness.
Mitt's plan is like his taxes. If he releases them, he is doomed.
Like his taxes, it's a secret...
Actually, Biden has been very helpful on Foreign Policy, while Romney has no expertise and embarrassed everybody with his foreign trip. Furthermore, Romney has surrounded himself with the same Bush retreads that got us into Iraq in the first place. There will be no improvement under Romney, and a greater likelihood of war.
P.S. Biden has debated Ryan before, and left Ryan quivering and whimpering. He will again.
Pan - Joe Biden is heads above Romney and Ryan and shows it every day!
Obama/Biden 2012
Joe Biden is an impressive and persuasive speaker. He is also a gentleman in a debate, as evidenced by how kindly he handed Palin's ass to her in 2008.
With Lyin' Ryan it's going to be easy. All Honest Joe needs to do is draw a contrast between his experience and Ryan's distortions.
Paul Ryan had better think twice about what he says after being called on all the lies he told at the RNC. In the end it comes down to this: who do you trust?
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
kaybeetoys, I will never forget how Joe Biden was so respectful to a vice presidential candidate who couldn't even pronounce his last name. He is a real gentleman and handled himself with a tremendous amount of dignity during that debate. Exactly what the situation required under the circumstances.
So proud to have him as our vp. So proud.
By almost all accounts, Palin beat Biden in their 2008 debate...So think about it, liberals...every time you insult Palin as stupid, you implicate Biden as "more stupid"...
Bob in VA - you really need to get a clue. Biden wiped the floor with Palin who didn't answer any questions put to her but stuck to her script - which was totally off-topic and looked dumber every time she opened her mouth.
Joe Biden beat her at every turn and honest people know that.
Obama/Biden 2012
Who won the Biden – Palin debate?
CNN/Opinion Research Poll:
Biden: 51%, Palin: 36%
http://www.mahalo.com/biden-palin-debate/
CBS
Biden 46%, Palin 21%
Fox News
Biden 61%, Palin 39%
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/presidentialdebates/3129259/Who-won-the-VP-debate-Palin-or-Joe-Biden.html
Dennis - when the far right Fox indicates she lost - and so overwhelmingly - what more can be said??? I DID love the skit SNL did with Queen Latifah. She had the perfect looks when Palin went off message!
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Nice work Dennis. Republicans just love to lie, don't they? It just comes so easy to them.
Bob, well maybe if you could get past the winks, and cutesy, curtsies. Joe was an absolute gentleman. Didn't Palin say she wasn't going to answer their questions?
Obama 2012
This is one of my favorite from the Village Idiot!....North Korean allies.......Yikes!
Romney Is A Dangerous Man
Mitt Romney has the worst foreign policy advisers imaginable. The guy is clueless when it comes to these matters. He is following the GBW Admin.'s tactics policy by policy, only Romney is even more thoughtless. If that's even possible.
Did you all see what Bill Maher had to say about the GOP Convention? It was spot on (h/t DailyKos):
New Rule: Republicans don't have to accept evolution, economics, climatology, or human sexuality, but I just watched a week of their national convention, and I need them to admit the historical existence of George W. Bush.
If your party can run the nation for eight years, and then have a national convention and not invite Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Karl Rove, or Tom DeLay... you're not a political movement, you're the witness protection program.
In fact, Republicans, next time, instead of holding a convention without your most recent President, your most recent Vice-President, your most recent Vice-Presidential nominee, and most of the runners-up from your most recent primary, why not just wave one of those Men in Black memory eraser wands in our face, and make us forget everything we know about you?
Cuz if you went by what they said this week, here's how the history of America went down. OK, first the Founding Fathers — you know, the original teabaggers — they got the Constitution directly from Jesus. Then the first Republican President, Abraham Lincoln, freed the slaves. And the Republican Party to this very day has never stopped fighting for the black man.
Except that Romney and Ryan are now polling at zero. Zero percent among blacks. They couldn't get a black guy to vote for them if they gave him a Lincoln. And Mitt Romney may yet try that.
And then came, of course, St. Reagan, who was the innovator of the Republican Party's greatest power, the ability to completely forget. So I'm just asking, how can we trust Republicans with the future, when as far as I can tell from Tampa, the world ended the year Reagan left office? Like in 1988, we all just fell into a deep sleep listening to "Pour Some Sugar on Me", and when we woke up on Monday morning, Obama and his army had wrecked the joint.
George Bush was President just 3 ½ years ago! They talk about him like he's some vague pop culture reference from way back, like the Snapple lady, or that rap duo who wore their pants on backwards. He was President for two terms!
If you're trying to sell what the Republican Party can do for you, it's best not to remind people of what its recent screw ups actually did to you. Especially during hurricane season.
The past accomplishments of the team that tanked the economy, legalized torture, and made the surplus disappear, is not the best advertisement for the future.
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Romney wanting to start another Cold War with Russia is insane. And has Romney actually listened to what top political leaders in Israel have to say about President Obama? They like him, they respect him and they know he supports their country 100%.
Romney is going by what GWB advisers tell him. Yet he's too ashamed to invite them to his convention.
The guy is a liar and the guy is dangerous who is in over his head. It's obvious every single time he opens his ignorant mouth.
Obama/Biden. GOTV.
Way to go Pat !! Nice post.
Obama/Biden 2012
Great Post, Pat.....Dubya is 'personna non grata' ......he who shall not ever be spoken of.......
Pat - great post.
Frankly I believe the only reason Romney is running is to do one better than his father. He doesn't actually give a damn about his country or working to help us recover from a recession that the GOP was 90% responsible for.
IF he won, I don't think he'd run for a 2nd term - he just wants to win - that's all it's about for him.
He's truly an empty suit and a poor excuse for a human being. I will never call him a man because he doesn't begin to measure up to the men I know!
Obama/Biden 2012
SeekingSanity: I think there is much truth to what you wrote. If you listen to Romney, it is obvious he hasn't spent a great deal of time reading about the changing world. He has not spent anytime envisioning for himself a progressive future for a 21st Century America, which you can only develop if you read about recent history. He hasn't learned a damn thing.
I always got the impression that President Obama spent a considerable amount of time learning about the world and the positive impact he wanted to bring to it.
You can only do that if you know something about the world. Romney only knows what he is told from Dan Senor, the war monger. And that is dangerous. Barack Obama you could see had a deep desire to make a difference in the world's perception of America. A positive perception.
Romney's history lessons come from old library books written in the 1950's and GWB policy advisers who were wrong every single step of the way.
So I agree with you. Romney wants to be president, but for all the wrong reasons. And because of that, he will listen to the wrong people. Time and time again.
Who really owns romney? Haliburton, Cheney advisor? The man is a menace, WWW III in the Middle East, troops on the ground in Iran, Syria, against troop draw downs in Iraq and Afghanistan, perpetual war and then treat our Vets as if they were those never mind people. Ryan voted no on the GI bills introduced in the house these past three years, 13% cuts for the VA advocated by ryan's "marvelous" budget. Romney scares the ell out me. I hope Joe rips ryan a new one during the debates.
Obama 2012
Consistantly the Tpartiers like Ryan have shown a major lack of support for veterans. President Obama and Vice President Biden have shown consistantly that they support veterans and veterans administration programs to help veterans of all wars. The last Administration did what no other Administration did, try to run two wars without sources of income to pay for the wars. In the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea and Viet Nam the US sold war bonds to pay for the wars. In the Revolution costs were paid for with interest in a similar way as citizens loaned the government money, provided goods and services free etc. to help pay for the war.
Unless we borrow money from someone other than COMMUNIST China as Bush did, we will see an even greater deificit unless we sell war bonds. But, before we go to war in the Middle East or anywhere we should consider the costs, whether we can use deplomacy, it's any of our business like the civil war going on in Syria as it was in Egypt. The Romans found out that war sucked tons of money from the treasury and eventually the barbarians were able to make the empire fall. We should learn from history or we are doomed to repeat it.
Romney is a sociopath who will say or do anything to get what he wants. The trouble is that once people really start paying attention he's going to look more and more out of touch. President and 5Star General Dwight D. Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex. Unfortunately the Republicans of today aren't the same as those in Ike's time. Those today are unwilling to comporomise and are war mongers. The jingoism of both Ryan and Romney will only cost us billions more at a time we can't afford it. War isn't cheap.
Bob in Va, Iraq war dead Americans---4,477 Body Bagged, Afghanistan---2,109 Americans Body Bagged, more to come if romney gets anywhere near the White House.
Obama 2012
Bill, the choice is evident: President Obama and Vice President Biden, beers all around. Feel comfortable and safe, romney/ryan scare my soul.
Obama 2012
Off subject alert---but I couldn't resist---
"Ann Romney looked shocked when the press informed her that her youngest son, Craig Romney, had stuck a bug down the pants of her other son Josh Romney when they were saying goodbye in Florida today. Josh Romney had taken to Twitter to post the photo of the critter.'
How the heck old are the Romney boys? Aren't they all adult married people? Are they stupid or just juvenile?
It took nerve for Biden to bring up foreign policy! Obama's amateur, fumbling attempts at diplomacy have been an embarrassment to himself and to the US.
First, he publicly and loudly affirmed his support for a Palestinian state, even going so far as to demand that Israel should return to their pre-1967 borders! This had the predictable effect of encouraging the Palestinians to seek their own separate state. Then, he had to order his Ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, to veto any UN resolution that might create an actual Palestinian state, in order to salvage the Jewish vote.
Most presidents (not all) have had sense enough to be consistent in the messages they send to the international community. Reversals, like Obama's, only create an atmosphere of uncertainty and distrust. One can easily imagine how Obama's blundering could have started a violent increase in Middle East hostilities.
Romney Foreign Policy
Affinity1 - You haven't been paying attention. Romney said during the June 14 debate. "It's time for us to bring our troops home as soon as we possibly can -- as soon as our generals think it's OK,." and "One lesson we've learned in Afghanistan is that Americans cannot fight another nation's war of independence."
But you go ahead and make up other peoples opinions; it is standard Democrat practice.
Kannin: Was that on the flip, or the flop side. I guess it depends upon who he's talking to.
Obama doesn't have a foreign policy. Name me what Obama's foreign policy has consisted of? Ordering the killing of OBL is a military operation and not a foreign policy. Obama signed 3 trade agreements, all negotiated during the Bush years. Has allowed Russia and China to dictate the UN response on Syria. (Personally we should stay the hell out of it.) Obama wants to take credit for Libya, however, it was NATO officers that conducted the actual airstrikes and support over Libya, Obama supplied the money and ammunition and claims he was leading from the rear.
Tried to convince Iraq to allow the US to keep 3 to 5 thousand troops in Iraq past the 31 Dec 11, deadline, as agreed to by the Iraqi government and President Bush and ratified by the Iraqi Parliament in November 2008. Yet Obama lied when he told the soldiers at Ft Bliss, TX that HE removed the troops from Iraq. (Obama said something like: "I promised I would end all combat operations and remove all troops from Iraq on the end of 2011." No mention of the Status of Forces Agreement signed by President Bush, that actually set the deadlines.)
Afghanistan, Obama called it a "just war" and increased combat troops by 33,000. More American military personnel have died in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush. OBL and most of his top lieutenants have been killed over a year ago. So why are we still in Afghanistan, the mission has been accomplished, so lets get to hell out. Obama has committed American military support through 2014 and financial and political support until 2024. (However, we will get out of the financial and political support because as soon as our military leave the Taliban will take over again.)
Obama's foreign policy has been disgraceful.
bill bob - NICE post. sfcret doesn't know anything but the GOP lies so this will keep her/him up all night!
Obama/Biden 2012
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Just wondering if any of you dems are going to see 2016???? Or will the truth about your hero be to much to deal with you all might have a melt down ???
In his inaugural address, Obama promised "not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth." He promised to "build the roads and bridges, the electric grids, and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together." He promised to "restore science to its rightful place and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost." And he promised to "transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age." Unfortunately the president's score card on every single one of those bold pledges is pitiful. So a $16 trillion debt and climbing, 5 Trillion new Obama debt, 1.5% GDP, 21 million people out of work, more people on food stamps than ever, destroying the healthcare system, unemployment above 8.3% and no sign of it getting better, first time in U.S. history our credit rating downgraded...you bet, Obama has really led the country in the right direction.
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Joe Biden gets worse....morea precinct captain than a VP