Ursula,

Glad Biden referenced that article and the taxpayer loss and Romney personal gain when Bain was on the ropes.

Here is the whole story:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829#ixzz2542ZJRd2

I read that article last night ... there is trouble in River City, the sewer system is about to collapse. Bain in French is a bathtub and this one has a lot of rings around it. Maybe they can call in Joe the Plumber.

Northstar - be sure to read this one by Matt Taibbi too!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829

Romney would likely surpass GWB in debt creation - he's experienced at it.

bcwc - not sure how Romney's going to spin this one - gonna take more than Joe the Plumber, that's for sure!

I don't know, Spanky, why didn't the Times write about General McChrystal? Why didn't the Times write about Edwards' affair? Somebody's doing a little investigative reporting and the timing couldn't be better in my opinion.

"Trouble in river city?'

Gosh, seems like just a few weeks ago you all assured us that Mitt was going to jail/facing criminal charges from the SEC.

Or did you forget about that Balckcat? It's ok I'm sure you all will have some other awful and terrible thing next week. :)

MSNBC - "gas pump 101" How funny. So what O doing about the skyrocketing cost of gas?

BCWC,

Romney better get more than McCain's favorite plumber...

Plumbers, where have I heard that word before in describing investigating journalism?

W....

Ursula,

Spanky gets his news from KSWB in SD.

bcwc, right - which makes it puzzling that he'd mention the Times as a credible news source. I mean, isn't that sacrilege for Republicans?

Nope balckcat - watching O on MSNBC right now.

Decided to take day off and do a brake job on my car. But it's mighty hot, and humid right now.

So it's just me, you, and MSNBC.

At least until they go to all Cellblock, all the time.

Ursula? the NYT, like al the rest is a source of the news. It is as credible as you make it.

But not like I have read Rolling Stone since I was 17 and reading about Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth's breakup.

Spanky, so you're discrediting an article (that you've not read)...because it's in Rolling Stone?

Try this link if it's a little more palatable to your journalistic tastes:

http://www.businessinsider.com/matt-taibbi-mitt-romney-bain-rolling-stone-2012-8

Clint said it best last night... Biden - a smile with a body behind it.

It's really amazing how the liberals will stick to ANY story once it permeates their brains... no matter how much inaccuracy it contains. Liberals will stick by Obama no matter what he says, does or means.

The entire point was that Obama was pandering to the workers with no intention of ever helping them... all in the effort to gain their votes. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Hey liberals... 1 + 1 = 2 every time it's tried.

At least until they go to all Cellblock, all the time.

Don't like to revist your past I guess Spanky.

Just read the referenced Rolling Stone article. UN-Freaking-Believable this guy is the GOP nominee for President. Threatening the FDIC (read U.S. Taxpayers) with a scheme that would basically wipe out their (our) loans by paying out all Bain cash in bonuses if the FDIC didn't restructure (write down or bail out) their loans. Disgusting.

Bluecat 55

I sent it to a couple of Finance Profs I know. It is going to be a lead off in their classes on Corporate Governance.

Brianb: liberals will stick to ANY story once it permeates their brains... no matter how much inaccuracy it contains

And yet, it was a Romney pollster who said: "We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers."

It's sad the mainstreet media, with all their budget and staff, doesn't do more and better investigative reporting. This is the reason HBO is doing so well with The Newsroom.

People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a way, AND BEFORE AN ELECTION.

Hey, Elephants - liar, liar, elephant trunk on fire.

Bluecat 55

I agree. and "fake news" shows like Jon Stewart's, are more enlightening, in many ways, than the mainstream media.

Bluecat,

I had the same reaction when I read the Rolling Stone article.

Information is power.One reader at a time.

And this story is not going to die.

You Can't TRUST Republicans

What Republicans Say:

Chris Christie - On Aug 28, 2012 Tampa, used the word "Truth" 16 Times in his keynote speech at the RNC convention. And he specifically said this…

• We have a nominee who will tell us the truth and will lead with conviction. And now he has a running mate who will do the same.

What Republicans Do:

Romney pollster Neil Newhouse stated: "We're not going [to] let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers." ... on the same day as Christie's speech, during an ABC News/Yahoo! News event at the RNC Convention.

Then Paul Ryan Spoke:

... and Fox News contributor Sally Kohn had this to say about Paul Ryan's convention speech on August 29th, 2012

• … anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan's speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.

Republicans SAY ONE THING and DO ANOTHER.
How can anyone TRUST a Republican?

Republicans have become firm believers in the big lie:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Joseph Goebbels

It looks like the GOP is taking the additional advice about dissent, removing the ability of people in its own ranks from getting delegates unapproved by the central party committee into the next convention.

blackcatwhitecat - where did you live in Winston-Salem? I haven't been there for a while. Need to visit soon. Need to stop by and "see" Mom and Dad. They are buried there. Its truly a gorgeous city and appears to be getting even better!

Trashy Rednecks,

For Republicans as long as it's Republican it has to be great whether it is or not.

@Ursula-279622: I know you wrote hints about some of this before the primaries were over. I suspected, but believed you knew. I then began to search and check, and found enough to know Bain and Mitt Romney are swirling in quite a mess. No damn wonder He won't release any of His business background information, or His past tax returns. You are quite the informed lady. Thank you so much Ma'am. Best regards

First of all Joe "biteme" Biden is dumb as a rock with a big mouth", everyone knows it - even many within his own party laugh at him.

Secondly, if he and Ryan were to debate Ryan would chew him up and spit him out easily.

Thirdly, in a debate Ryan would easily tie obambaloney up in knots in no time flat - because, without a prompter, obambaloney can only stutter.

Fourthly, and I quote, "the democrats can lie better than the republicans can tell the truth", end quote.

But, then again, the dems are speaking to their fans who are known to be as dumb or dumber than biden and will believe anything they're told as long as the dems keep the benefit checks coming! AND where do the dems. get their money??? - it was said very well by a recipient in Detroit when asked...."FROM OBAMA'S STASH".....hahahaha, thats a good one that shows real intellectual thought.

Actually, we are all thankful that nothing ever happened obama because could you see biden as president.....Lord help us if that happened - obambaloney is bad enough - BUT BIDEN :-( ....

Izzy, I have really been on the fence here. I am starting to lean to O mostly on the fact that every board I see, the comments are always the same. The repubs cant carry on any conversation without calling anyone who doesnt fall for the Repub mantra as an idiot, stupid, communist ect.

The Repubs are basing on half truth, no truth, or follow like sheep to all of these spins and lies.

And Ryan? he lied his trunk off! Spin, spin, spin! Tells me he is full of sh*t right out of the gate!

rapiscrap

Right........look who's spinning and following like sheep now. Obama didn't follow up on any of his campaign promises but that's ok, right...because it's obama and he can do no wrong! Now he wants 4 (I was going to spell the number but I wanted to keep it simple so all leftists could follow) more years so that he, when he fails, continue to blame it on some one else - what a sweet deal he promises.

Let me ask you.....when is it time to start blaming obama? He's an employee of the people who promised us he'd help......instead he made it worst - if you had an employee like him working for you you'd fire him.....and that's exactly what we're going to do.......no second chances at not doing anything to help.

I hope I didn't hurt your feelings because I know he's your man - but I can say to you to quit backing a loser and a divisive panderer. Oh and that's another issue - a leader is supposed to unite people and that's another issue he has failed at! I could go on with more but then again I have symphony for your hurt feelings.

izzyserious,

"Obama didn't follow up on any of his campaign promises"

Are you trying to tell us that Obama did not follow up on his campaign promise to get Osama bin Laden? He is dead, is he not? I think Obama has kept more of his campaign promises when he was able to do so than most other presidents have done. You just haven't been paying attention.

Mickey-1983943

I don't think you have been paying attention....obama only nodded his head when the time came to get bin laden. He just took credit for it....but ALL the ground work was completed BEFORE he came in to the office....just like he has done many times, even when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing at all! He fails then "claims" it wasn't his fault, come on give me a break. Sure, he got ACP but what good (other than another talking point) came out of it - the majority of the people did not want it but that didn't stop him because he just needed to feed his enormous over inflated Mussolini complex!

His presidential contribution to the history books will tell the story of a failed presidency by the "first" because of his massive ego and lack of experience and executive leadership ability. I hope you're around to read it, seriously!

izzyserious,

"obama only nodded his head when the time came to get bin laden. He just took credit for it."

You forget that Obama promised to get bin Laden in the debates with McCain before he was elected President. Or did you even watch the debates? He said he would concentrate all his efforts on finding and killing bin Laden. I remember that clearly, and he did just that. If the groundwork had already been laid in the Bush administration, that's fine. But it was Obama who continued it. He didn't have to do that. You also claim that he took all the credit for it, but I distinctly remember that he made a special trip to visit the Navy SEAL Team 6 after it was done to thank them for the good work. On the other hand, I don't remember his ever having bragged about having done it himself. You are so blinded by your own party affiliation and your own hatred of Obama that you really don't pay attention to much of anything at all, do you?

First Read:

Independent fact-checkers have wrangled over the veracity of Ryan’s claim that Barack Obama broke his promise to help keep the plant open.

No, they didn't. The fact checkers did NOT "wrangle" over Ryan's claims. They were uniformly judged to be FALSE by all the fact checkers. And First Read deserves its very own "Pants On Fire" award plus Four Pinocchios for spreading the lie that Obama "promised" to save the Janesville plant. He made no such promise. What Obama did promise in his Janesville speech was to work at saving the auto industry, not any individual plant. And Obama made good on that promise, just as he did on his vow to take out Osama Bin Laden if the opportunity presented itself.

Mickey-1983943

If the groundwork had already been laid in the Bush administration, that's fine. But it was Obama who continued it.

Bush actually shut down the CIA unit dedicated to getting Bin Laden, and Obama restarted. Not only that, but Obama was involved in the planning of the raid. It was Obama who insisted that a backup helicopter be used because he knew that helicopters were prone to crashing when landing in enclosed spaces like the Bin Laden compound. And the first one DID crash. If that second helicopter hadn't been there, the SEAL team would have ended up being captured by the Pakistani military. So Obama played a key role in the success of the mission.

And of course, you know that the Obama haters who are so eager to deny Obama the credit he deserves, would have immediately assigned 100% of the BLAME to Obama had the raid failed.

Ryan did not say that Obama had anythng to do with the closing of the GM plant in his home town. All he said is that the President said that the plant would be there for the next 100 years. Ryan also pointed out that the plant is now closed and no one works there any more. It is a matter of what our President is promissing and what is actually happening.

I want the President to come clean on the promises he made on the economy. The President said that the stimulus "did its job" but according to a report issued by the President's own administration, unemployment has been worse than if the stimulus had never been passed. What did we get from those shovel ready jobs that the stimulus paid for?

I want the President to discus the trade deficit that just keeps increasing. The federal government keeps trying to stimulate the economy by flooding it with cash but it all leaks our because such a high percentage of the goods and services that we buy come from foreign countries. The current administration has had no success in improving the situation. The only time the trade deficit seems to fall is when the economy is so bad, people cannot afford to buy much.

The President went on and on as to how bad deficit spending was. Without conditions of any kind to include any act of congress, the President vowed to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Well, this is the end of his first term. To keep the President's promise the federal deficit for this year, 2012, cannot exceed 229.27 billion dollars yet the President's own White House is predicting that the deficit will exceed 1.2 trillion dollars. The President also promised transparency. I want the President to explain what magic he is going to perform between now and the end of the fiscal year in order to keep his promise to the American people.

I estimate that the money the federal government is borrowing today will end up costing the tax payers more than 9 times the amount borrowed to repay over the next 170 years. That is just my estimate. I want the President to present a plan for repaying all of the money that it owes. The tax payers have a right to know how much all this federal borrowing is going to end up costing them.

The President needs to be reminded of some words of wisdom that were spoken back in March of 2006. The words are as true today as they were then.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead,interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

~ Senator B. H. Obama, March 2006

Houston!,

"Bush actually shut down the CIA unit dedicated to getting Bin Laden"

Thanks for that information. Actually, I did not know that. All I knew was that Republicans always claim that it was Bush who started the hunt for bin Laden. The rest of your post is interesting, too. You're right, too, that they would not have hesitated to blame Obama if the raid had failed. They will grasp at any excuse they can find to portray Obama as an incompetent president.

Will Haas

Ryan did not say that Obama had anythng to do with the closing of the GM plant in his home town.

But he certainly implied it. Otherwise, why would he mention it at all? Was he just belching gas that sounded like words? What he did was to leave out some key facts to deceive people into believing that Obama was responsible for the plant's closing. Fact checkers judge these "lies of omission" rather harshly, as they did with the pro-Obama super-PAC ad that suggested Romney might have been responsible for a woman's death from cancer. And that ad was just a regular who was speaking his own words and who might not even have been intentionally misleading. Ryan has slick speech writers who deliberately craft his speech to deceive people, and not just on that plant closing. He also was justly condemned for his lies of omission about the Simpson-Bowles commission and Medicare.

All he said is that the President said that the plant would be there for the next 100 years. Ryan also pointed out that the plant is now closed and no one works there any more. It is a matter of what our President is promissing and what is actually happening.

The president did NOT say the plant would be there in 100 years. He said that IF the government supported them, the plant would be there in 100 years. The Bush government did NOT support them and the plant closed before Obama took office. If Obama had followed Romney's advice, a lot more plants like that one would have closed as the entire auto industry and its supply chain collapsed.

Hey Joe.... NEWS FLASH... Barry's statements was, "retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville"

Barry intentionally LIED to Janesville. He had them believe that he could keep Janesville open. That he could "retool" Janesville. That he was the answer to keeping Janesville plant operating.

Barry's entire campaign is nothing more than smoke & mirrors, lies & distortions of the truth, facts with no basis.

Look at his promises.......

Transparency in governmnet..... Yet he makes backroom deals for MILLIONS to pass his ObamaCare. Hands down executive orders to avoid Congressional legislation. Breaks his oath of office by circumventing the laws of the United States to achieve his own idea of immigration.

Reduction of the national debt by half..... $10.8 trillion at the time Obama took office, it grew to $14.8 trillion in 2011 & is forecast to be $24.5 trillion 2025.

Cut the unemployment by half.... When Barry took office unemployment was 7.8%. After one month if office, it rose to 8.3%. It rose to over 10% & still hovers around 8.3%.

Blame whoever you want Mr Obama, YOU campaigned for this position, people believed in what you PROMISED, the voters were sucked into the "Hppe and Change" that YOU promised.

So how about it Joe.... TRUTH for the American people & no more Washington as usual? (another Obama broken promise)

We don't need excuses - look at his record!! Even obama knows hes in for a a$$ whipping in November, the people like the talk - problem is he cant walk the walk. Get ready to get off the couch all you libs standing there with your hands out, after the election the gravy train and your entitlement mentality will be OVER!!!! Time to go to work people, and I don't mean selling dope or your sister while you sleep till noon, I'm talking real jobs where you have to pull your pants up and buckle down.........

Steve-446003

Hey Joe.... NEWS FLASH... Barry's statements was, "retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville"

Hey Steve. NEWS FLASH ... You're lying. Obama said that IF the government supported them, the plant could retool. The Bush regime did not support them and the plant had shut down except for a skeleton crew that left in April, 2009, only three months into the Obama administration, before he had even had any time to implement the policies that save the country from a second Great Depression brought to you by G. W. Bush and his wealthy friends.

I just noticed that my response to Steve was pretty much the same as to Wiill Haas. That's what happens when you have a flock of mindless parrots regurgitating the B.S. that some right wing political hacks are spreading. The GOP strategy for victory is apparently to bury the truth in an avalanche of crap. Eventually you just have to give up and let them spew their hateful lies without disputing them further.

Houston!

You are going to have your hands really full if you are going to try to counter all the propaganda and lies about Obama that these poor people have been fed and swallowed. I think most of them need one of those "deprogrammers" who try to rescue people who have been indoctrinated by membership in cults because that is what I think the Republican party is rapidly becoming: a cult.

Mickey-1983943

I think most of them need one of those "deprogrammers" who try to rescue people who have been indoctrinated by membership in cults because that is what I think the Republican party is rapidly becoming: a cult.

Unlike the Bob Jones cultists, when the GOP cultists drink the Kool Aid it's mostly other people that they poison.

By the way: Ryan told a lie of omission in his convention speech, but before that, he flat out lied that Obama "broke a promise" to the auto plant workers in Janesville:

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-30/politics/politics_pol-fact-check-ryan-gm_1_gm-plant-president-obama-barack-obama

Ryan reportedly alleged that Obama said he'd "keep that plant open," and therefore broke his promise because the plant closed.

"That plant was shut down in 2009. I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open," Ryan said, according to the Janesville Gazette. "One more broken promise."

Lyin' Ryan thought he'd put one over on the fact checkers by telling a lie of omission rather than his lie of commission -- saying something that just ain't so as he did in his August 16 campaign speech. The fact checkers didn't buy it.

Houston!,

"Unlike the Bob Jones cultists, when the GOP cultists drink the Kool Aid it's mostly other people that they poison."

So true! Or maybe the Lyin' Ryan and Robme cult keeps two pitchers of Kool Aid on hand: one without poison that they drink and the other with poison that they give to others to drink.

And Ryan failed to read from the phone book aloud everyone's phone number in the country. so does that make him a liar about everyone's phone number? The President failed to speak at all at the RNC so that must make him a liar about everything he did not speak about. Speaking of the President, the President promised that within one year of his taking office, GITMO would be closed. He was very emphatic about it. GITMO is still open. Does this make the President a liar or does he have some excuse?

Will Haas,

"the President promised that within one year of his taking office, GITMO would be closed. He was very emphatic about it. GITMO is still open"

President Obama did try to close GITMO. Everyone said they wanted him to close GITMO, but when he tried, it raised storm of controversy. He tried just about everything he could to close it, but it caused a public uproar and opposition from Congress, especially when he tried to have Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tried in Federal Court. It was only after that that he gave up the idea of closing it. You see, unlike the Tea Party Republicans in Congress, President Obama does understand the meaning of compromise.

Mickey-1983943

I don't remember his ever having bragged about having done it himself. You are so blinded by your own party affiliation and your own hatred of Obama that you really don't pay attention to much of anything at all, do you?

I'm concerned for your memory - he most certainly took credit for bin laden. As for my blind party affiliation - all I can say is: YOU'RE FULL OF CRAP! I have my eyes wide open and I know when to call a liar a liar and a phony a phony - obama is all of those - his race and his party have nothing to do with my opinions - you just assume things that are far over your intelligence level. You see I don't hate him but I don't see obama as a leader - he's a manipulator and it is you that is blindly following and not paying attention to his baloney. I've been a democrat all my life but I am wiser now and I have to thank obama for opening my eyes to his tricks and making me realize that he is NOT the solution he is the problem. Maybe one day you, too, will wise up but until then you will get the horsesh*t you deserve when you waste your vote on an empty suit like obama!

Mickey, thank you for reading my post and commenting. The President should not make promises he cannot keep. He is becoming the excuse President. Apparently he did not know what he was talking about when he promised to close GITMO. This seems to be true of so many of his promises even something as trivial as the White House dog. The President said that the White House dog would be a mutt, "like me", from a shelter yet the dog he got was a pure bread that has never set foot in a shelter. The President is suppose to be the most powerful man in the free world yet he cannot keep his promise on something as trivial as the White House dog. Then there is his vow to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. To keep his promise the 2012 federal deficit cannot exceed 229.27 billion dollars and that is not going to happen. In 2006 he gave a speech about how bad the deficit spending af the Bush administration. I agreed with him then. During his campaign for president he continued to say how bad deficit spending was and it was during his campaign that I heard him vow to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. So far in his current campaign I have not heard him make any new promises. At least he has learned something from his time in the White House.

Will Haas,

"The President should not make promises he cannot keep."

Maybe not. But there are good intentions, and then there is political reality. Obama had good intentions about closing GITMO, but he ran up against political reality, just as every president does. No president in our history has ever been able to keep all his campaign promises. What I would like to know is what the hell is wrong with a country that clamors for its president to close GITMO, and then when he tries to do it, raises hell about it? It doesn't seem to me we know what the hell we want.

"During his campaign for president he continued to say how bad deficit spending was and it was during his campaign that I heard him vow to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term."

Well, Romney is promising to cut the deficit as well. And how is he going to do that? From what I can gather (he hasn't really given any details) he intends to do it by cutting everyone's taxes. Now I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to know that cutting revenue increases the deficit; it does not reduce it. Not unless you cut the hell out of spending all around, and if he does, I don't think you will like the result when it hits you personally. Economists differ among themselves as to whether it is better to increase or decrease government spending during a recession. Some say it is better to increase government spending; others say it is better to decrease it. I'm no economist, but I have not seen the austerity programs in Europe being very successful. They have put a lot of people out of work, and people who don't have jobs don't have money and so they don't spend it which further forces cutbacks in industry because they cannot sell their products, worsening the recession. So have you really succeeded in convincing yourself that Romney will decrease the deficit? That's what he says, but I wouldn't count on it. He also claims he is going to create 12,000,000 new jobs. Why he is even talking about such a thing, I do not know, since Republicans claim the government does not create jobs; jobs are created by the private sector. Does Romney control the private sector that he can tell you how many jobs it is going to create? Of course he does not. The private sector will create however many jobs the private sector creates. He is only hoping that if he cuts or reduces all regulations on the private sector, they will produce enough jobs to fulfill his promise. But there is no guarantee that that is what will happen at all. It hasn't in the past. And deregulation is what led to the mess we are in now. How can you believe that even further deregulation is going to fix it? As far as I am concerned Romney is just making a bunch of empty promises to get himself elected, and if he does, I don't think you will like the result. You complain about Obama not fulfilling his campaign promises on the one hand, and then you are willing to buy Romney's empty campaign promises when he hasn't even given any details at all about how he would even go about keeping his promises. Why is that?

Mickey, I am not talking about Romney. I will agree with you that so far he has been very thin on how he is really going to fix things in Washington. I have heard a lot of platitudes but little meat. I hope that the President is more detailed oriented at the DNC. During his first campaign for President he never mentioned that he planned to run some of the highest deficits in history. In 2006 he uttered:

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead,interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

He kept up with these same ideas during his campaign. He did not tell us that he thought that we could spend our way to prosperity. It did not seem to matter to him what was really in the stimulus because it was just a "spending" bill according to the President. On health care his big concern was historical perspective on getting something passed under his administration. His hands across the isle was with middle finger extended. The health care law that was passed was not the law that the President promised and the President does not really seem to care. The President made a lot of promises to get elected. Yes some have been kept but some very significant ones were not. The only significance in the GITMO promise is that the President was so adamant about it and then his efforts failed. The Stimulus was suppose to solve our unemployment problem but it failed. That is a big failure. The President failed to control the deficit which is another big failure. Hats off to the President for at least trying to improve the environment but his success in that area has been at best very thin.

Will Haas,

You make some good points there. But what choice do we have really. The Republican party has given us Romney as an alternative, and I would not vote for him. He hasn't given us any details about how he would fix the economy, and he has flip-flopped all over the place on just about every issue. I don't trust him. As you said, we'll just have to wait and see how the DNC goes, but even then, for me there is no alternative.

And President Obama has not shown in four years that he has any concept of "how he would fix the economy".

Yet...you trust him ???

"President Obama has not shown in four years that he has any concept of "how he would fix the economy"."

The economy has improved under Obama, but just not fast enough to please many people; on the other hand, Romney has not even given us even a clue as to how he would improve it.

If Obama tells more lies than Mae West just know that Romney tells more lies than Obama.

The rightwingers are fond of claiming President Obama has lied, but aren't able to provide an actual example.

Even Fox News, however, will admit that Romney/Ryan are unabashedly lying on at least two charges:

1) claiming it's President Obama's fault the Janesville GM closed, when those proceeding began before Obama was inaugurated and

2) claiming President Obama dropped the work requirement for welfare, when, in fact the administration made the requirement more flexible, at the request of red state governors.

There is political rhetoric, and then there is outright lying, and it's clear that Romney/Ryan have crossed that line. And they keep repeating those lies!

• Republicans Can't TRUST Republicans

Tampa, Aug 30, 2012: at a fundraiser during the Republican National Convention, GOP strategist Karl Rove said, "We should sink Todd Akin," and followed that by stating, "If he's found mysteriously murdered, don't look for my whereabouts!"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/todd-akins-office-disturbed-by-karl-roves-joke/

Karl Rove, GOP/Republican strategist

Todd Akin, GOP/Republican Congressman, candidate for U.S. Senator of Missouri

• How can anyone TRUST a Republican, including a Republican?
• Watch your BACKS Republicans, there might be a Republican behind you!

Used to be a time in the U.S. when being a Godless Whore was a bad thing; with the DNC it is cause for sainthood.

Biden's GM rant has been thoroughly debunked; yet the libetards stand their and cheer this well documented lie none-the-less. Seventy-four percent of the Obama GM bailout went overseas to support GM's international holdings; roughly 26% of GM's workforce is in the States.

When Obama found out that most of the money would be going overseas he could not write the check fast enough.

I can tell you this - I'd rather be next to Biden in a trench than either Ryan or Romney.

upset - isn't that the truth. You know Biden would be fighting beside you instead of hiding behind you!

Obama/Biden 2012

LOL. Biden and the word charity have nothing in common. He is a poser when it comes to charity. I earn not even a third of what he does and have given over 10 times more in charitable donations that he has. Biden is a career long political hack posing as a philantrhopist when it gets him political points. He's happy to give your...err..my tax money away to charity, but not his own money.

Frankly, I don't count shoveling money at the Mormon church to be "charity".

upset and SeekingSanity: I would not get into a trench with Romney or Ryan. I'd be afraid of getting a knife in my back just so they could take the silver out of my teeth.

Frankly, I don't count shoveling money at the Mormon church to be "charity".

Really RealAmericanFirst? Doesn't sound like you know much about charity work. Therefore much to your surprise Mormons, Baptists and several other church based first response teams made up part of the largest charitable volunteer efforts during Hurricane Katrina and were in the distaster zone even before the state and federal aid was able to respond. It happens all the time there is a disaster zone in America and other countries too. Churches across our nation spend hundreds of millions of dollars in disaster relief and counseling during catasrophies of all kinds. Yes, that is charity...and Biden doesn't help out much...

Truth_Hurts - VP Biden does a great deal for charity both monetarily and personally. Your lack of knowledge about his actions doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just shows that, as usual, you're clueless!

Obama/Biden 2012

Truth Hurts -

They also spend billions building shiny temples and missionary-ing people who would rather be left alone. Churches were behind the residential schools that have abused and isolated so many native children around the world, and today they continue to promote a lot of the discrimination that goes around.

A lot of faith-based "charity" is nothing more than rewarding church members and those who look, act and think as the church wants (or who the church believes it can "bring around" to its way of thinking with a little well-timed dangling of resources). That's why they fight so hard against government social programs that apply to everyone in need equally.

What passes for "charity" from these folks isn't much different from lobbying money, in a lot of cases. And in the case of their political action (see Prop 8 in Californa, for example), it IS lobbying money. Why they aren't regulated as lobbyists is beyond me.

Mormons were also behind the anti-gay marriage proposition in california a while back, funneling money for ads against equality. I don't doubt that they are very giving and charitable overall, but their stance on inequality for the LGBT community is not overshadowed by other charitable acts...

Whoops.. RAF covered this...

One thing I got to say about Biden is you always know where you stand with him. He will tell you to your face your full of crap!

And truth hurts? you obviously dont no a thing about Bidens history. I suggest you read up on the man before you call him an elitist....enough said. Also the money Romney gaved to charity was tithing to his church...everyone who goes to church does that.

Seeking Sanity you are the clueless one Biden gave .02 percent of 1 percent of his income to charity last year. The man is a cheap bas*ard. How about Obama another cheap prick who didn't start giving until he decided to run for President. I'm sure your all upset about the how cheap the two DEms that run the country are when it comes to giving. I love rant from hypocrites like you. We all know dems are cheap with their own money and love to spend taxpayers funds.

Please google Tyler Charitable Foundation - its the Romney charitable foundation that gives to charities besides their church. FYI - Bain Capital also has a charitable foundation that was established by Mitt and his partners when they start the company which supports the local community.

gideb114-

According to TIME:

Romney has not released his 2011 return, but he has released an estimation of that return. It shows that the Romneys made $20,901,075 in 2011, gave 19% away to charity and paid 16% in federal taxes.

If those numbers stand, and not counting the Romney independent charitable foundation, the Obamas would therefore with the who-is-more-charitable contest for 2011 by a couple percentage points of total income [22%]. The Obamas also paid a higher percentage of their income in federal taxes, since less of the income came from investments, which are taxed at a lower rate.

gide - aside from your vulgar language - who gives a rat's ass how much is given to Charity according to the IRS - it's all tax deductible

However more importantly what Charity - Willard contributes to Pray Away the Gay Charities

And being an ex-Bishop of his Church he is required to give 10% of his income - does his Church know if he really is giving 10% - and how do they know that?

We as American Citizens don't know so he sent the Mormon Church his Tax Returns so that they know?

Grow up it's all smoke and mirrors

Hey gide - I give all of my money to Charity - prove that I didn't you can't because you don't have my tax returns

Valid point. Why is it everyone else's fault but Ryan? He has represented that district for three consecutive terms. It is not like he had not been elected yet, as was the case with Obama.

Yet, somehow, it is the (future) President's fault. Pure RNC BS.

Why is it everyone else's fault but Ryan?

He doesn't want to divert the American people from what they have heard for the last four years all at once. That would be a case for PTSD for you libs to NOT have a high ranking politician blame someone else. He is going to wean you off s l o w l y.

The point is that the plant shut down under Bush. Ryan lied. Period. Get used to it. These people are incapable of telling the truth. They know if they do, they will lose. They will lose anyway, but, hey, they'll stir up some hate until November.

upset-1557697: Really

Updated Wednesday --- February 13, 2008 -- 6:30pm

Janesville: What a difference 12 hours makes. Tuesday night Barack Obama was speaking to an overflow crowd of 20,000 people at the Kohl Center. Wednesday Obama had a much smaller crowd and a different kind of speech.

Barack Obama was playing to a much different crowd Wednesday. A couple hundred UAW members sat down to listen to a speech on Obama's economic policy.

"The promise of Janesville has been the promise of America," says Obama.

Obama pleased the crowd when he said he would repeal tax cuts for companies that ship jobs overseas, and when he said he would oppose any more trade deals unless they had protections for the environment and American workers.

Obama's visit capped off a two day flurry of activity at the Janesville Assembly Plant.

Tuesday, GM announced they were offering buyouts to employees.

"We had the visit from Barack Obama, and then the buyouts came and this place is just buzzing," says UAW local president Mike Sheridan.

Obama did not directly address the buyouts, but he did talk about the challenges facing Janesville and G.M.

"I know that General Motors has been going through some bad news lately," he said. With the conversion to more hybrid vehicles, G.M. can shape its own future. "I believe that if our government is there to support you and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition that this plant will be here for another 100 years."

And that had the workers fired up. "I think he wants to make some changes that's going to help the country, the environment, help General Motors. I want this plant to thrive even after I'm gone," says Frank Hereford, a 37 year veteran at GM.

Sheridan says he expects anywhere between 300 and 700 Janesville workers to take the buyouts. He says about 700 took the buyouts offered in 2006.

OPPS Libs your wrong the Plant was not closed yet under Bush. It was still open yet not making cars do to there was no demand for them and Obama did visit the plant and say: "I believe that if our government is there to support you and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition that this plant will be here for another 100 years."

CEO Rick Wagoner announced that the Janesville assembly plant would close by 2010.

George Richard "Rick" Wagoner, Jr. (born February 9, 1953) is an American businessman and former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Motors.

Obama Assumed office January 20, 2009.

Get your fact right LIBS.

Oops forgot LIBS don't like Facts NOR the Truth. They just make them up as they go.

Leatherneck98 - no, we don't have to make up facts. The plant was already set to be shuttered BEFORE Obama was elected. Next....

Obama/Biden 2012

Hey seeking sanity just skip:

"I know that General Motors has been going through some bad news lately," he said. With the conversion to more hybrid vehicles, G.M. can shape its own future. "I believe that if our government is there to support you and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition that this plant will be here for another 100 years."

Making the people think if he is elected President they would get the money to retool and get the plant up and running again. Just leave that part out Sunshine and you would be correct........... RFLOL

Speaking of "before he was elected" ..... Obama was apparently NOMINATED for the Nobel Peace prize BEFORE he even took office !! What a joke that is to contrive and give a man an honor which he clearly HAD NOT EARNED .... all in the name of liberal politics !!!

The plant will be retooled - just not as quickly as he had wanted. Again, it was set to be shuttered long before he became President. Put the blame right where it belongs - with the GOP specifically Ryan!

Obama/Biden 2012

Bush signed the Auto Bailout on Dec. 20th. The plant closed the doors and sent everone home on Dec. 23rd. Obama took office one month later on Jan. 20th. How is Obama even remotely responsible for the plant closure. Ryan lied... Period!

AGAIN SeekingSanity and lilDi:

Obama SAID "I know that General Motors has been going through some bad news lately," he said. With the conversion to more hybrid vehicles, G.M. can shape its own future. "I believe that if our government is there to support you and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition that this plant will be here for another 100 years."

Making the people think if he is elected President they would get the money to retool and get the plant up and running again.

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This morning I heard a recording of Rmoney giving a speech in China praising a certain factory. The workers in that factory lived in a company apartment complex that is surrounded with barbed wire and watchtowers.

This is the republicon vision for America.

• Has Mitt Romney been Set Up to LOSE by the GOP?

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lukewarm, this is a written blog - if you're hearing voices (quivering or otherwise) get professional help!

Oh, Ursula, you crack me up!

Biden apologists, try to remember the Biden plagiarisms which caused him to withdraw from the 1988 presidential race.

For him to accuse someone of lying is synonymous wirh Oblama saying we are better off now than 4 years ago.

hjack - many of us ARE better off than 4 years ago. Sorry to hear you're not!

Obama/Biden 2012

Susan, no comment about your boy???

I for one am certainly better off that I was 4 years ago when we were stuck with that businessman that could not find oil in Texas still in the White House.

And his henchman, who started selling nuclear technology including centrifuges to Iran in 1998 while he was CEO of Halliburton.

Right. And I hope that this is the beginning of the Democrats growing a pair and launching a campaign based on facts and fact checking. This GOP vilipend and denigration that they spread like sh-- on toast is draining, fraudulent, & misleading. I watch Republicans applauding and cheering absolute falsehoods and it leaves me with little hope for our future. You can't fix stupid.

I want to see Mitt Romney's long form birth certificate.

And his tax returns.

Direct quote from video at:

ROMNEY: I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business.Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help.

Ok dog, did you also know that 80% percent of boys with Autism are also Mentally Retarded.

That figure is a lie.

That is SUCH Bull! Where on earth did you come up with that? (Can't say moron, can't say moron, can't say moron)

NO one gave you a diagnosis of Autism during pregnancy.

NO one gave you a diagnosis of Autism during pregnancy.

It's impossible. In addition there is no way 80% of people with autism have that low of IQ. I have encountered many whose only impediment was social interaction (see Aspergers).

That is SUCH Bull!

Next up the kid will have been born with 3 eyes as his health issues are ever evolving in Blatina's little fairy tale!

did you also know that 80% percent of boys with Autism are also Mentally Retarded.

Let's see someback up for that wild claim?

Can't say moron,

I will!

What a f*ckin moron!

Why don't you asswipes back off? And NDDR and fisty, you never answered my question about service Wednesday.

The condition my son has cannot be diagnosed during pregnancy either. Tourette Syndrome is generally diagnosed around age 7 years, after the vocal tics and motor tics are present.

Why don't you asswipes back off?

Or what? You mad that we call out Miss 'Nuevos Socialistas' on incomprehensible dribble and outright lies?

"You never answered my question about service Wednesday."

Really? Neither has MIttens, and HE is running for President.

You people are a$$holes. Dirty slimy a$$holes. You owe Concerned an apology.

http://www.autisticsociety.org/encyclopedia/op=list_content/eid=20.html

Of the problems that can occur with autism, mental retardation is the most widespread.

Seventy-five to 80 percent of people with autism are mentally retarded to some extent. Fifteen to 20 percent are considered severely retarded, with IQs below 35.

But autism does not necessarily correspond with mental impairment. More than 10 percent of people with autism have an average or above average IQ. A few show exceptional intelligence.

Interpreting IQ scores is difficult, however, because most intelligence tests are not designed for people with autism. People with autism do not perceive or relate to their environment in typical ways.

When tested, some areas of ability are normal or even above average, and some areas may be especially weak. For example, a child with autism may do extremely well on the parts of the test that measure visual skills but earn low scores on the language subtests.

Xabre, newday and Feisty - I had to read it. Where does she come up with this total stupidity? She clearly just makes things up thinking some ignorant fool - like herself - will believe it!

To anyone who has an autistic child - please forgive Concern's lack of mental acuity. She will never be any better - she'll digress every day. My guess is she doesn't even have a son. If so, he is probably MUCH smarter than her so she thinks something is wrong with him!

Obama/Biden 2012 so idiots like Concern will go away!

Fact is, you compassionate liberals don't practice what you preach. Why dwell when obviously this woman, like NDDR, has a child with special needs. And you just can't leave it frigging alone. You are truly poster children for the Democratic party.

And thanks Ben.

Oh I see the Seeking one has "seek and ye shall find" found his buddies to pile on. You guys kill me.

Hey Ben guess what?

Interpreting IQ scores is difficult, however, because most intelligence tests are not designed for people with autism. People with autism do not perceive or relate to their environment in typical ways.

That just invalidated the entire statistical analysis. I'll say it again. Many people who I have encountered only have communication and social impediments. Only shallow people would look at that and declare them "retarded".

@newday -- you again show your ignorance and hate for other people who have faced life's challenges. I could say some nasty things about Tourettes . . . but I'm not an a$$hole like you.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_Autism_be_detected_before_birth

There are a couple of genetic mutations which can, but do not always, cause autism, such as Fragile-X syndrome. This can be detected via amniocentesis, but a medical professional would probably not recommend it unless family history indicated risk factors, since the procedure has its own set of risks.

And newday, I see you deflect again. Sorry I defended you and your situation in the former post. Well....no not really but we know Mitt's "service" story. It is answered. What about you.

Do I need say anything else? So not exactly 80% percent, but to me is 100%

. Pardon me you idiots that know everything. I would choose death over becoming a Liberal like you (Feisty, Newday, Xabre seekingSanity. You ladies do not deserve to get pregnant.

Thanks Ben, and talk to the hand, and yes thank you Ursula.

There are frequent claims in the literature that a majority of children With autism are mentally retarded (MR). The present study examined the evidence used as the basis for these claims, revieWing 215 articles published betWeen 1937 and 2003. Results indicated 74% of the claims came from nonempirical sources, 53% of Which never traced back to empirical data. Most empirical evidence for the claims Was published 25 to 45 years ago and Was often obtained utilizing developmental or adaptive scales rather than measures of intelligence. Furthermore, significantly higher prevalence rates of MR Were reported When these measures Were used. Overall, the findings indicate that more empirical evidence is needed before conclusions can be made about the percentages of children With autism Who are mentally retarded.

http://foa.sagepub.com/content/21/2/66.short

Xabre -- Just like an idiot you spout off many whom I've met. It doesn't invalidate squat because you say so or interpret it so jerkoff. This is data from a society dedicated to autism and states it's "difficult" but not impossible. Your reading comprehension skills are at kindergarten levels. But you are the same dumba$$ that said Isaac was a weak cat 1. Go tell that to the people that lost their lives. Your comments invalidate all of your thoughts.

Ben: focus: the question is NOT can Fragile X be detected, the question is CAN AUTISM be detected? Got it?

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You people are a$$holes. Dirty slimy a$$holes. You owe Concerned an apology.

Thank you again Ben, It is my fault after all for opening up to humanity. I should have know that not all in FR are human. I actually fell sorry for them.

I know that Jody, Ginger, Ursula would not agree with the hatred that these three have.

Hey Feisty who is the Moron now. I hope you get deleted from FR you prejudicial racist piece of ---------.

You all have a good weekend and Labor Day. I will be back.

Romney/Ryan 2012 We all need help.

Okay, folks, went to the experts at Autism Speaks. I am sure that Concerned has heard of them, a HUGE parent driven organization, focused on educating parents, and doing research.

Quoting their Home page: THERE IS NO MEDICAL DETECTION OR CURE FOR AUTISM.

ABOUT 40% OF CHILDREN WITH AUTISM HAVE AVERAGE TO ABOVE AVERAGE INTELLECTUAL ABILITIES.

K? Good.

Quoting their Home page: THERE IS NO MEDICAL DETECTION OR CURE FOR AUTISM.

Ouch!

That one has GOT to sting! lol

How dare a leading authority on autism challenge Blatina?

Feisty - and she threatened to be back! Arghhhhhh!

Obama/Biden 2012

Facilitated Communication Symposium Whittier, CA April 3, 2003

Myths About Autism and Mental Retardation

Sue Rubin

As a really autistic person I am definitely qualified to address the topic of myths about autism and mental retardation. The first myth I would like to attack is that 75% to 80% of all people with autism are mentally retarded. Some professionals have reduced that number to 50% because so many of the young children now being diagnosed have Asperger’s Syndrome or High Functioning Autism. Seventy-five, eighty, or fifty – they are all wrong. Those of us who don’t speak, or speak echolalically, are counted as retarded. We also score in the retarded range of I.Q. tests, so it is reasonable that we are assumed to be retarded. What we have found through use of Facilitated Communication is that these low functioning people have at least normal intelligence with lots of movement problems masking their intellect.

I am a great example. Without facilitation I still test as a retarded person because I can’t manipulate objects to pass a non-verbal intelligence test. When allowed to type, which I can do independently, I can answer the same questions. For example, when asked to put similar cards together, I couldn’t do it. But when the cards were labeled A, B, C, D, etc., I was able to type which cards belonged together. Clearly I understood the task and could answer correctly, but not in the standard way.

For those of you who don’t know me, I am a Junior at Whittier College with an A- GPA and a member of the history honor society. I type independently with my staff, especially in class and when I meet with my professors. I use physical touch when I am doing a long paper and need speed. So, you have a college student scoring as a retarded person on standardized I.Q. tests, due to a movement disorder.

Movement difficulties are the bane of my life. When people see me, even from a distance, they immediately assume I am retarded because of the way I move. When they ask me to do something and I don’t immediately respond, they are convinced I am retarded. The really awful thing is that my brain wants to move and my body won’t. The movement problem is responsible for my lack of speech. I hear words properly in my mind, and can say them properly in my mind, but my mouth doesn’t work. Great ideas are always in my head, but great words don’t come out of my mouth.

Great ideas were not always in my head. In fact, for the first thirteen years of my life, no ideas were in my head. This may be an example of true retardation – not thinking. But after I began using Facilitated Communication, my mind got organized and I began to think. I believe a person’s autism can prevent him from thinking. I also believe a person can learn to think like I did. I am sadly an example of a person who must always exercise her mind or I will quite decidedly regress to a non-thinking person.

I would next like to take to task the myth that people with autism are lacking empathy. I can’t speak for Asperger’s Syndrome or high functioning autistic people because they are very different from us, but the people I know who are non-verbal and FC users like me, are very empathetic. In fact, we are definitely sucked up into other people’s emotions and experience them as if they were our own. The fact that my face doesn’t show the emotion I feel leads people to believe I m not experiencing the emotion.

The myth that we are impervious to pain is another area requiring explanation. Sometimes we really don’t feel pain – like the time I pulled out a handful of hair a few years ago. However, at other times I feel pain more acutely than normal people – like when I brush my teeth.

The last myth I would like to destroy is the one that would like to limit us to a life of boredom in a restricted environment. Many people think that because we need support to do just about everything, we don’t deserve to live a normal life with friends and freedom to make our own decisions. We do need help, but we love the same things you do. We want to live in our own house or apartment and do productive work or attend school, and be surrounded by peers who love and respect us as friends and intellectual equals who just need a little help.

Thanks for posting that bcwc: What is clear about that conversation, is that the rwnj's that popped in to defend poor concern don't care about her in the least. They just want to bash liberals. I have walked the walk with a seriously disabled child, now a young adult, and I can speak to this better than they can.

There are certain facts about autism. It doesn't bend to political affiliation.

Newday, It is our inability to communicate with the autistic that leads to our definitions. It is we the "sane" that get to define. They must be so angry at us.

Please read my post. It was not the autism that they detected, but the retardation. I had enough of you people trying to prove your point. You have no humanity. No one said that his autism would be cure.

Have you ever in your life experience all the things that come with autism, the stages, the obsessions, lets not talks about the deformities of the long fingers, the impulsiveness to jump up and down and run back and fourth. Taking toys and placing them by their ears and not really playing with them.

Again, Autism can not be detected but retardation/deformity can.

Your problem is that the only way that you would feel good is to prove that you did not make a mistake, so you have to keep looking for a site that would debunk what I have experienced.

God forgive you four. Cause I won't. Newday of all people if you have experience a child with a disability why are you so bent on mine?

Please this is not political and has nothing to do with either side but I would like to believe that they have been more compassionate than the four of you.

Concern, just to let you know I will forgive you for calling me a jerk today, telling me I'm not a woman, and looking at all of the posts where you insult all of us daily. NDD called you out because you did NOT bring up the retardation in your original post. You stated that you could have had an abortion when you found out your child was autistic. Selective recollection you seem to have.

God will forgive them it's your sorry soul that should be worried. I've seen you post that you're a Christian and I've told you that I'm a PK. You're called to forgive and turn the other cheek. What I see in you is a provoker. You seek to play the wounded victim in one post and then turn into a rabid dog in the next, i.e., attacking me today over a comment about the levees.

Please honor your promise to all of the FR posters that you made last month. Don't come back after November 6th. We all need a BREAK from you!

Sorry Blatina but NO dice!

You specifically said autism... remember?

On abortion and being a woman I had one choice to abort on my autistic son and I and only I decided not to? It has been hard for both me and my Husband some times, but I'm very happy I decided not to and of course he agrees with me.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/30/13572941-conservative-women-divided-on-akin?commentId=69487595#c69487595

Don't you ever grow tired of looking like an idiot?

I'll bet you think twice before you drag your whiny comments all over the place!

Maybe it's time for you to take a nice long BRAKE!

Romney/Bryan 2012!

Layton-3733410

PK? Preacher's Kid?

Newday, the thread was meandering into what I hate most ... statistics.

I am not sure if she is an "idiot" but BIIGGG FEASTY sure made herself one this morning ... got caught redhanded in a LIE and then ....poof, disappeared from that story to try and save face.

Of course, then she tried to threaten another poster with the "Code of Honor" for this website ... what a joke !

Layton,

Please spare me your pontification. I do not need you or any of your ideology to believe me or not.

I said it once before on one of my post. I'm here until November may it be Romney or Obama.

I believe in what Romney can do and I have freedom to express it. You can choose to Ignore me and so can I.

Feisty, I could care last what you think, you are trying to use the same tactic that is used on your opponents. I know I don't like you and you don't like me. This is not a popularity contest. But I will be dammed if I let you silence me.

Jaysus: the whole thing is starting to give me a headache. The question I originally posted, since I was curious, was "since when can autism be detected during pregnancy". It can't. Just that simple.

The histrionics that question produced is INCREDIBLE. You, concern, have trouble on this board because you pull things like this all the time. Then, when you are called out, and rightfully so, you lash out and accuse others of being mean to poor little you, and hey, aren't liberals supposed to be tolerant?

Well heads up, because what liberals operate with is truth. What you said was NOT true, and you have spent this afternoon trying to defend the indefensible, and attacking me for posting a question, that DID NOT CONTAIN AN ATTACK.

OWN YOUR BEHAVIOR!

Layton - well said. My guess is she won't come back after the election. What would she possibly say? Oh right, she'd continue to deride the President with her nonsense!

It's amazing how her story changes from post to post.

newday - she always plays the poor black/latino card every time she gets called out for her lies and stupidity. Then she says we are all racist.

Don't know about you newday but I have a diverse group of friends. However, we would all call each other out if we constantly said and did stupid, degrading things.

She is beyond tiring!

Obama/Biden 2012

I do not need you or any of your ideology to believe me or not.

For the love of Gawd lady!

Please tell me you really aren't this dense?

Your comment in your own words show what you said. YOU were the one who had to bring the subject up again over here rather then settle where it started!

Now that you have had your ass thoroughly smacked, you're "WOE is ME" victim shtick doesn't fly!

Feisty, I could care last what you think

Really? lmao!

Then explain why you follow me around like a bitch in heat?

Anyone who takes a peek at your comment history will see you have a severe case of "Feisty Fever"!

Your obsession with me is starting to get kind of creepy...

Same thing for me, Seeking!

bcwc, same for me. The stats were flying and being misused.

BCWC - yeppers Pastor's kid :) I'm tired of that little thing hijacking threads, calling people names, and then boohooing about it in the next thread. I told her to watch the Christian thing about a week ago as I could definitely go toe to toe on that one given my upbringing! :)

How did a thread about Paul Ryan lying and Vice President Biden calling him on it get sidetracked into a discussion about autism and mental retardation ? Also, who is stupid enough to believe that someone who is autistic is necessarily mentally retarded (whatever that insulting label is supposed to mean) considering the vast amount of scientific evidence to the contrary.

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Or is someone saying there is a direct connection to mental retardation and being a Republican ?

Concern Citizen... sorry, but the set up was obvious. ;-)

Folks, You can write all you want, call me all the names you want, like blatina.

Newday, correction, we have spent this entire afternoon, not just me but all four of you.

Layton - that is your opinion which comes from being an Elites.

I have notice tha it is always you four that gang up on people that do not think along your line. The truth is that this is your turf, I will not change your mind nor you will change mine.

What on earth makes you four feel so grand is something that I will never understand.

Good night and see you Monday if you behave.

You can all go ahead and congratulate each other for proving nothing.

"Feisty Fever" is a symptom, a warning, stay clear unless you enjoy a spanking. So many perverts, so few Straight Jackets.

I could definitely go toe to toe on that one given my upbringing! :)

Unleash the vicious Polyanna within you Layton!

Good night and see you Monday if you behave.

Thank GAWD!

We finally get a brake!

So many perverts, so few Straight Jackets.

LOL!

We better start stock-piling them with the crowd I attract! ;o)

bcwc: If I wanted to start this WHOLE thing over again, I would say, "since when can mental retardation be diagnosed before pregnancy?"

But, that would be too mischievous, wouldn't it?

bcwc: don't mention feisty and spanky in one sentence, you'll start a whole new feud.

NDD.. returned... only in Republicans... its a given state of mind.

Again the threat from her that she'll be here Monday!

Why does she start things then whine when she gets called out on her lies and stupidity? OMG she is such a trip - and not a good one!

bcwc: don't mention feisty and spanky in one sentence, you'll start a whole new feud.

LOL!

Nah! I put SpankMe on my exclusive ignore list months ago!

Which reminds me, to never bother to open another comment from Blatina going forward!

I broke my own rule and now I have a headache for my efforts!

bcwc . . .

Unleash the vicious Polyanna within you Layton!

Between Concern and Brian .... I just might have to! By the way, still laughing over that one!!!!

You all have a great weekend (sorry you're working Seeking!) and remember to thank all of those lefty liberal union members who are the reason for the holiday!

Good idea, Feisty, that whole discussion was a hot mess.

@ blackcatwhitecat & newday Dawning...Returned: I had great respect for the both of you before these revelations the two of you have shared with us. Now though, my cup runs over. May you both prosper in happiness and the soothing warmth of peaceful brotherhood. Your revelations have given me much that I shall cherish. I salute you both!

Mac Forrester: That is the most heartwarming thing anyone has said to me on FR. I have great admiration for you too, and I always read what you write. Thank you so much for making my day so happy!

Fiesty RedHead, You get your vitriol training from Obama's Chicago thugs? Or is it your so uncomfortable from all the fat wrinkles? Get your Libtard @ss out from behind your computer you sit behind and go do something with yourself. Maybe you ought to go see Obama 2016 and educate yourself on why Obama IS going to be gone in 2012. If your dumb Libtard @ss can still vote for that POS, you seriously don't give a crap about this country and its future! FAT SLOB!

Wow, for someone posting about vitriol, tothetop, you leave EVERYONE else in the dust.

So what bothers you the most about your President, that he is black or that he is a Democrat?

2016? A movie done by a "teabagger." Only the intellectually braindead would care about it.

Like YOU!

Suggest you go to that movie..........with an open mind. And see for once instead of just closing your eyes and listening to the background music.

Wow, for someone posting about vitriol, tothetop, you leave EVERYONE else in the dust.

That was one of the most eloquent comments I've seen in years! lmao

So what bothers you the most about your President, that he is black or that he is a Democrat?

BOTH!

No, Talk, we will leave that for the gossip hungry, National Enquirer reading, intellectually deficit folks like you.

You guys never cease to amaze me. Your vision is everyone elses hardships. You just can't see it.

If you care about you family,

If you care about your country,

If you care anything about the truth,

If you have the courage to do this,

then

Watch this video described and available at this link

http://Bruce-1628250.newsvine.com/_news/2012/09/02/13615732-when-mitt-came-to-town

This could be the most valuable thing you do before deciding how to cast your vote for the President of The United States of America in 2012.

This could be the most important election you will ever cast a vote in, during your entire lifetime.

Don't blow it by being uninformed!

Good post. +1

Obama to Cut Health Benefits for Active, Retired Military

http://www.newsmax.com/US/obama-cuts-military-benefits/2012/02/27/id/430757

Obama announces Pentagon budget cuts

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/01/obama-defense-cuts/1

Obama plans to cut tens of thousands of ground troops.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/04/us-usa-military-obama-idUSTRE8031Z020120104

Leatherneck918 - Check your facts again because you are deliberately being misleading. President Obama has done more for the military and veterans than any other President.

Cutting ground troops makes sense if we aren't needing them. And you forgot where he is cutting useless spending on jets that have NEVER left the ground!

Obama/Biden 2012

SeekingSanity: RFLOL Yea OK

Might want to take a little of your own advice pal......................

Leatherneck - I know what I'm talking about. You on the other hand....

Obama/Biden 2012

A job for every college graduate; 12 million new jobs in four years? Sure, we will need a huge Army to go to war with a nuclear Iran. Al the rest of us will be employed in war production for the duration. And, I suppose, since we will be deep in a war we won't bother with an election in 2016; after all, we know who would win, don't we?

Leatherneck918

Look at it this way, the world has a very small @!$%# and America's military dick is already too big to fit. At this point you are just screwing yourselves economically. This is Bin Laden's ultimate victory, and before you go there, martyrs don't care if they are dead, they see that as a victory in of itself.

blackcatwhitecat: I take it you never served your country.... If NOT STFU do to you have no idea what you are even talking about.

Might want to study up on History. Every time we down grade our military we end up in another WW or a Major conflict and the cost of getting it back up to numbers we need COST US twice if not more then the savings of Down Grading it.

What that means sunshine its a short term gain, long term LOSS.

Seeking Susan please explain how you know what the President has done for retiree and the military? Did you get it from your liberal talking points? Leatherneck is right. I'm a military retiree and Obama spouts supporting the military while he tries to knife us in the back. Obama tried to do away with Tricare and put all vets and retirees under Obamacare. We don't want Obamacare it for lemming like you. He proposed the smallest pay raise for the military last year but congress increased it. He cut military positions on bases but not federal employee positions making sure he takes care of his voters. He another Democrat that gives the military lip serve because he knows the majority of us don't vote for dems.

I know that President Obama has a jobs bill pertaining to those who have left the military and it just needs the support of the republicans in Congress.

Shall we talk GM?

I know people who lost their retirement plans

I know several people that got the shaft. Slightly over 300 million of them. But the unions didn't.

Talk to the Hand-

know several people that got the shaft. Slightly over 300 million of them. But the unions didn't.

Do you know the reason why that happened, or are you just blaming it on President Obama? The union workers were under a different labor agreement, and in order to insure the supply chain remained in place the pension commitments had to be honored.

The salary retirees were under a different agreement, and GM deemed they were lower on the list of priority creditors.

It was tragic, but still better than the massive job losses that would have occured if the bankruptcy had run its course - and then no one would have received their pensions.

How about all the dealership that were close under Obama GM reorganization? Don't they count? They sure didn't matter to Obama all he care about was paying back his cronies in the union.

You should blame GM management for GMs failures. Steven Rattner did fire their CEO with good reason.

Everyone knew Detroit's reputation for insular, slow-moving cultures. Even by that low standard, I was shocked by the stunningly poor management that we found, particularly at GM, where we encountered, among other things, perhaps the weakest finance operation any of us had ever seen in a major company.

For example, under the previous administration's loan agreements, Treasury was to approve every GM transaction of more than $100 million that was outside of the normal course. From my first day at Treasury, PowerPoint decks would arrive from GM (we quickly concluded that no decision seemed to be made at GM without one) requesting approvals. We were appalled by the absence of sound analysis provided to justify these expenditures.

The cultural deficiencies were equally stunning. At GM's Renaissance Center headquarters, the top brass were sequestered on the uppermost floor, behind locked and guarded glass doors. Executives housed on that floor had elevator cards that allowed them to descend to their private garage without stopping at any of the intervening floors (no mixing with the drones).

In my relatively few interactions with chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner, I found him to be likable, dedicated, and generally knowledgeable. But Rick set a tone of "friendly arrogance" that seemed to permeate the organization.

Certainly Rick and his team seemed to believe that virtually all of their problems could be laid at the feet of some combination of the financial crisis, oil prices, the yen-dollar exchange rate, and the UAW.

It seemed completely obvious to us that any management team that had burned through $21 billion of cash in a year and another $13 billion in the first quarter of 2009 could not be allowed to continue. Equally important, GM's February viability plan was more "business as usual" and not the aggressive new approach that we felt was essential.

In a mid-March meeting with Rick, I explored his feelings about his team and then tried to work the conversation around to himself. "I'm not planning to stay until I'm 65 but I think I've got at least a few years left in me," said Wagoner, 56. "But I told the last administration that if my leaving would be helpful to saving General Motors, I'm prepared to do it." He added that neither he nor his board thought that was a good idea.

I left my conversation with Rick at that. The next day, I met with Rick's deputy, Fritz Henderson. Another GM lifer (and son of a GM lifer), Fritz conveyed more energy and openness to change. The question for us was whether GM would be better off with Fritz or with an outsider, as Ford (F, Fortune 500) had done in bringing in Boeing executive Alan Mulally. While nervous about whether Fritz could bring the change GM desperately needed, I was considerably more nervous about the likelihood of recruiting a thoroughbred CEO in the midst of the turmoil.

Meanwhile, if ever a board of directors needed shuffling, it was GM's, which had been utterly docile in the face of mounting evidence of looming disaster. We decided to recommend to Tim, Larry, and ultimately the President a package that would include replacing Rick with Fritz as interim CEO, changing at least half of the board, and making an outside director chairman (which should be universal).

Wasn't that already tried in 2008.

Buffalo,

Does Biden's age have anything to do with Ryan lying? Biden makes gaffe's for sure...but he got this one right.

Is gaffe the new word for BS on the left.

But President Obama did not specifically say the next hundred years... geez...

M.J.-CT I guess you missed my post that is up at the top of this page....

Updated Wednesday --- February 13, 2008 -- 6:30pm

Janesville: What a difference 12 hours makes. Tuesday night Barack Obama was speaking to an overflow crowd of 20,000 people at the Kohl Center. Wednesday Obama had a much smaller crowd and a different kind of speech.

Barack Obama was playing to a much different crowd Wednesday. A couple hundred UAW members sat down to listen to a speech on Obama's economic policy.

"The promise of Janesville has been the promise of America," says Obama.

Obama pleased the crowd when he said he would repeal tax cuts for companies that ship jobs overseas, and when he said he would oppose any more trade deals unless they had protections for the environment and American workers.

Obama's visit capped off a two day flurry of activity at the Janesville Assembly Plant.

Tuesday, GM announced they were offering buyouts to employees.

"We had the visit from Barack Obama, and then the buyouts came and this place is just buzzing," says UAW local president Mike Sheridan.

Obama did not directly address the buyouts, but he did talk about the challenges facing Janesville and G.M.

"I know that General Motors has been going through some bad news lately," he said. With the conversion to more hybrid vehicles, G.M. can shape its own future. "I believe that if our government is there to support you and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition that this plant will be here for another 100 years."

And that had the workers fired up. "I think he wants to make some changes that's going to help the country, the environment, help General Motors. I want this plant to thrive even after I'm gone," says Frank Hereford, a 37 year veteran at GM.

Sheridan says he expects anywhere between 300 and 700 Janesville workers to take the buyouts. He says about 700 took the buyouts offered in 2006.

But President Obama did not specifically say the nexthundred years... geez...

OOPS HE DID OUCH............