Day Two Summary

• Repeal the 20^th Century
• Love Mitt
• Hate Democrats

ABOUT MEDICAID: Paul Ryan's "plans for Medicare - embraced by the GOP, and endorsed by Mitt Romney - look mild by comparison; like the difference between a manicure and an amputation." (Terrance Heath)

Paul Ryan's plan guts Medicaid by repealing Obamacare, plus a further cut of $750 Billion :-

1. Between 14 and 19 million people, young & old, will lose their Medicaid by 2022 (n-p Kaiser Family foundation).
2. Medicaid will be a block-grant/voucher program that doesn't factor in rising health care costs, or state budgets ~ causing the program to evaporate.

Medicaid starts getting the chop next year under Ryan, followed by Medicare ten years hence. And though massive, these cuts still won't produce the lower health care numbers Ryan says he is after.

Maybe Mr. Ryan's mission is more about privatizing government services?

Two excellent speeches from Ann Romney and Chris Christie last night.

Nothing more needs to be said.

Now it’s time to sit back and enjoy the Hillaryous FR lefty liberal mournful laments, insults, pissing and moaning, and whining and complaining about the speeches. I’m especially looking forward to Nasty Dumbfuxes bile-filled comments about “Queen Ann” and “Gov. Krispy Kreme”. Those kind of comments are what has won her the annual trailer park “Ms. Congeniality” title from all her neighbors for 10 years straight.

About that Christie Speech

Chris Christie didn't mention Obama's name even once in his keynote address last night. He didn't have to. Because the forward looking reform agenda that he articulated so well was in such obvious contrast to the absentee leadership in the current White House. Even stray left wing dolts who may have clicked the wrong channel could understand who the unnamed villian was. Maybe because of lines like this:

"Real leaders don't follow polls. Real leaders change polls."

Interesting line. Superficially glib to the jaundiced ears of the left, but fraught with deep meaning to anyone concerned about the challenges we face at this moment in our history. A moment that cries out for strong leadership where there has been none. A moment that will determine whether we continue to be the master of our destiny going forward, or its wobbly kneed victim.

Christie drew this sharp contrast throughout his speech, here's another powerful line: "They believe in teachers unions. We believe in teachers." Probably just another glib remark to leftist ears, but an idea that succinctly captures how the country has been damaged by institutions that are more concerned with advancing their own interests at the expense of the constituencies they are supposed to serve. And an idea that resonates strongly with more Americans than the left will ever admit.

But the part I liked the best was when Christie linked our moment in history with the Greatest Generation. Just as those folks answered history's call in their time, now it's our turn to do the same. Time to stand up and make the tough choices that will preserve the American way of life for the next generation and those that follow.

That's leadership, and that's what Republicans are offering to a country desperate for same.

Have at it Libbies.......

It's gonna be fun to watch your heads explode this morning.

Man the next 2 mornings are going to be even better after Ryan and Romney speak.............

In a way, it was classic New Jersey: an interruption.

Yikes.

Man the next 2 mornings are going to be even better after Ryan and Romney speak.............

Are they going to attempt to justify their economic policy proposals? Or are we just going to continue to avoid that topic altogether?

Legitimate question: if President Obama were doing such a fantastic job as the chief executive of this country as the pundits portray, shouldn't he be up by at least a couple of touchdowns in the polls over Mitt Romney?

Showcasing the GOP’s governors and its diverse candidates:

Interesting the GNOP's constituency doesn't match their diverse candidates...

They're still the party of pale male & stale!

No amount of spin is going to change that FACT!

Bill of Fairfax,

"Christie did not mention Obama even once"

And Christie mention Romney only as an afterthought...

Christie does indeed wats to go back to the 1940"s , just ask any woman what that means.

"An overview of the likely impact gives a 10,000 foot view of the collateral damage that's likely to be the result of the kind of cuts Republicans want to inflict on Medicaid.

• Up to 44 million could lose health coverage. Federal spending on Medicaid would fall by $1.4 trillion, or 34% by 2021. States would receive $243 billion less per year. Cuts would produce decreases in Medicaid enrollment, resulting in 31 million to 44 million to lose coverage
• By 2013, 400,000 would lose vital health care services by 2013, according to the CBO.

• By 2016, 1.7 million children will lose health insurance. If the Republican plan becomes law the CBO estimates that 1.7 million children will lose health insurance by 2016, as half the states could eliminate their CHIP programs, and remaining states could roll back coverage.
• As many as 15 million could be forced off Medicaid rolls, according to state-by-state analysis.
• Cuts would seriously impact seniors and people with disabilities. Some 14 million seniors and people with disabilities depend on Medicaid to pay for nursing home care and assisted living - which costs about $72,000 a year, on average. In fact, 70% of nursing home patients are Medicaid recipients. Deep cuts would mean less coverage for nursing home residents, shifting more of the cost on to the elderly and disabled beneficiaries and their families. Sharp reduction in the quality of nursing home care is another likely result. Many elderly and disabled recipients would be unable to obtain coverage elsewhere because of pre-existing conditions." (Terence Heath

"..when it comes to Medicaid, Ryan exchanges his meat cleaver for a chainsaw and a wood-chipper." (Suzy Khim)

http://ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2012083314/gop-still-wants-gut-medicaid

Joe-Albany: I believe any economic recovery would have occurred at a more aggressive pace had it been a more moderate Democrat at the helm. The President and his political strategists have been doing their best convincing people this is the new norm. A risky future is the greatest deterrent to growth.

American leaders put their money in American banks and hire American workers.

Romney put his money in foreign banks.

Romney laid off American workers and hired Chinese workers.

Romney was such a terrible leader that his state ranked 47th in job growth under his leadership.

Where was the message of hope last night

Liberals Hope.

Conservatives Act.

been a more moderate Democrat at the helm

It really doesn't get more moderate than Barack Obama. Most political scientists have him just a smidgen to the left of Mitt Romney, actually.

Conservatives Act.

Oh yes, we've seen how they act. That's why Mitt Romney is proposing to cut more than $600B in tax revenue, and only ~$300B in spending cuts. Tell me what that does to the deficit. Conservatives sure do "act" alright.

Nobody likes a liar, and nobody likes an angry person. When you have an angry liar, especially a morbidly obese one, it is just disgusting. Did you see this guy's waistline? It is a yard across.

I liked to flip the channels while watching the convention last night. It was interesting to see how different networks used the moment. Curiously enough MSNBC had Chris Mathews and Rachael Maddow (and others) talking while all of the Republican minority speakers were on stage.

What you may have missed by not changing channels and looking around:

Democratic Rep. Artur Davis (4 terms in Congress) spoke. He's an African-American representative from Louisiana whom was the person to 2nd President Obama's nomination at the DNC convention of 2008. He spoke about how we all voted with our hearts and hopes that the US could realign and move forward, but that it clearly didn't happen and it was time to change leaders. I'd guess his speech transcript is online if you want to read it. MSNBC- Didn't show him at all. CNN (Post speech) had an analyist say that he "was a fake democrat" and "never was a democrat." So a "fake democrat" nominates the President and is in office for 16 years as a democrat, but if he was fake wouldn't the democrats have run someone against him so that he was out of office.

The same was true for Mayor Love. She wasn't shown. And others. Look it up.

Sorry, but I watched enough of the Repug Convention last night to know I won't be tuning in for the remainder. BORING. Mrs. Romney typical wiffy speech. Cristy? Certainly better than the rest, but not very inspirational. Looks like it's going to turn out to be another typical boring Convention Yawn.

And what they did to Ron Paul was disgusting and unforgivable. Way to treat your supposed brothers. Shows you what type of people these Repugs are. Vote the all out.

OBAMA IN 2012.

• It seems to me Chris Christie's speech was as mostly a warning to Republicans about their lack of leadership. He said next to nothing about Romney.

Feisty...you're opening is priceless!

reminded me of Flo...oh oh.....Mobot is broken.

Chris Christie talked from the heart about his background and his challenges as a Republican Governor in a blue state.

Yeah let's talk about his "challenges"; his unemployment rate for example.

What's with MSNBC cutting away from coverage when any speaker wasn't a white person?? Hmmmmmmmmmm......interesting. Paging Chris Matthews lol.

My point is that we all understand that some media outlets have "preferences"/biases, but I found it a bit shocking that MSNBC chose to enforce their current dialog of the RNC being only white people by excluding to show any minority speakers at the convention.

They further showed thier colors by their comments post addresses. Maddow commented immediately after one speaker that his comment on supporting the military appeared to be anti-gay. Neat one.

I'd suggest anyone with an open mind to do some channel flipping during the addresses and see what is being shown while the speakers talk. Do they show bulletpoints of the speech at the bottom? Factoids (what kind of factoids)? What are their first comments coming out of a speech? When they round table discuss the addresses, what are they looking for? It's quite enlightening.

The Romney's come to Convention to roost !!!!!!!!!!!

It's like a sowna in here! There were so many lies, more lies and damned lies flying around this country last night...Pants were spontaneously combusting in all 50 states!!!

LOL, Feisty, you nailed it.

Feisty, I did not hear Ann Romney speak about anger or hatred.

But Feisty, you left out the punch line...."No mas pantelones!"

hahahahaha. "It's like a sow-na in here." hahahaha. Too funny. Flo's a Democrat, no doubt about that. The two guys from the other insurance company have GOT to be GOP!

Now that commercial is going to take on a whole new meaning for me. The two GOP goobers from the other insurance company trying to be "inclusive" with their bad Spanish while lying their pants off.

Too funny. Just too funny.

I didn't watch the speeches, I don't care what they say...like the old song says...

"You ain't talkin' to me,

No, you ain't talkin' to me.

You can scream and yell,

Go on give'em Hell,

But you ain't talkin' to me."

Obama/Biden 2012

Xabre - Are they going to attempt to justify their economic policy proposals? Or are we just going to continue to avoid that topic altogether?

Guess we'll have to see what the Dems bring up next week. They have been avoiding theirs the entire campaign. He is the incumbent. He should have one. Romney/Ryan aren't in office yet and I am sure their plan will be heard soon. When in competition you don't let your adversary know your next play. They hijack it. Kind of like Obama did with the "Green cards for everyone" ploy taken from the jist of Rubio's plan. He upstaged him by hijacking a variation of his proposal.

Have you grown a "set" yet?

Feisty, your fascination with my junk is really pretty creepy.

Mixed up party = mixed up message.

hey TexasT-2966501

"Legitimate question: if President Obama were doing such a fantastic job as the chief executive of this country as the pundits portray, shouldn't he be up by at least a couple of touchdowns in the polls over Mitt Romney?"

He is...pay attention to about the only place that matters for the only vote count that matters (electoral college)...even your boy mitten's staff is using this as their barometer

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

It's not the popular vote that counts (just ask KKKarl Rove)

...and right now not a single poll on the electoral vote has mittens even close

About Christie's speech...

For all of you who think he's so inspiring, how about looking at how his "leadership" has affected New Jersey. Tax cuts to millionaires, sky-high unemployment, gutting the education budget, and higher property taxes. He deflects all this with a bombastic attitude, but his ad his party's policies are useless.

The Republicans must think we're stupid. They are responsible for massive debt, the killing of hundreds of thousands of people through pointless war, the deregulation of the financial markets, and now they want to gut Medicare and Medicaid. But it's the President's fault that he didn't dig us out of the Repub abyss fast enough, so we should let them back in so they can finish the job of bringing this country and it's people down.

Guess we'll have to see what the Dems bring up next week. They have been avoiding theirs the entire campaign.

You mean like how Ryan has anyone who asks him questions that remotely resemble criticism arrested? That kind of avoidance?

Romney/Ryan aren't in office yet and I am sure their plan will be heard soon. When in competition you don't let your adversary know your next play.

It already has been heard. More tax cuts for those at the top, guts to spending on programs that benefit the middle and lower classes, exorbitant spending on defense, and a higher deficit.

The Republicans must think we're stupid.

Look at this board, then examine the validity of that assertion.

The break out speech -- as it has now been coined -- was given by Mia Love. She is truly a Republican the left fears. Watch as they try to destroy her.

Here is Barack Obama's Main Accomplishments

Barack Obama's Main Accomplishments:

Signed the National Defence Authorization Act (NDAA) Bill into Law allowing any US citizen to Be Detained WITHOUT trial (A federal Court Blocked it in May because it Violates the Constitution, but Obama is not trying to get it UNBLOCKED!).

He has Killed HUNDREDS of Innocent people (Including 3 American Citizens) in Pakistan and Yemen with Drone Strikes (He’s Ordered even more drone strikes than Bush!).

The rate of National Debt under George Bush was Around $60 Billion a Month. Under Obama, it’s been $190 Billion a Month, so that would be Nearly $600 Per US Citizen (Thanks Obama!).

Obama Care: Page 22. MANDATES, The Government will Audit Book of ALL Employers who Self Insure. Page 50, Section 152, Health Care WILL be Provided to ALL Non US Citizens, Illegal or otherwise. Page 126, Lines 22-25, Employers Must Pay for Their Part time Employees Health Care AND Their Families. Page 127, Lines 1-16, The Government WILL Tell you How much Money you can Make.

Obama has By-passed Congress to Enable the DREAM Act (Unconstitutional to By-Pass Congress, and the Illegals he allowed to become Legal Citizens has Committed over 19 Murders and Over 142 Sex crimes).

Obama Claims he Campaigned in 57 States (Maybe he wasn’t Born in this Country?).

What's REALLY apparent is that the GOPers & TeaBaggers aren't pro romney, they're entirely anti-Obama & anti-Democratic.

The GOP/TeaBagger parties aren't the parties of ideas. They're the parties of anger, resentment and obstructionism.

A slab of bacon could get the conservative / teabagger vote if they thought it could unseat President Obama.

I have to admit I like Christie, I do not like many of his policies, and I disagree with him on many things but for the most part he does not upset me. I thought his speech was well done. The MS-NBC coverage kept saying how he sounded angry, I did not really see that, I even thought he was rather pleasant. After speaking with a few friends I realized it was clearly some sort of Jersey thing where we are used to people speaking in those tones (Doesn't bold well for us).

I did agree also that there was two different messages between his and Anne's speech, but I was not really a fan of hers to be quite honest. I believe it was from the heart, but come the end of the day she spoke of problems I did not think she was capable of understanding. Which is perfectly okay, except she was trying to sell us on the idea that she did. The "We love you women" line seemed a tad bit desperate as well.

The one problem I did have with the speeches I saw was come the end, I still got nothing about Romney. Nothing more was revealed. I do believe he is not the blank stare we see on our television screens, but it just has not been demonstrated. I think his wife tried but did not deliver. I think once they stop with the "we are just like you" rhetoric, Romney can be more comfortable and we can get a better picture of who he is.

Hiram,

Tell us about the "leaders "you heard last night.

Who spoke to you as a voter?

What details of the plan for America were the most important for you?

It is very weird that the only thing you want to post is the whereabouts of President Obama

while all your"leaders" are in Tampa?

He has Killed HUNDREDS of Innocent people (Including 3 American Citizens) in Pakistan and Yemen with Drone Strikes (He’s Ordered even more drone strikes than Bush!).

Since we're on the topic of Bush, how many Americans did he send to their deaths in that totally valid and necessary war that was Iraq?

It's crystal clear that Odimwit and the Democratic Party have nothing to offer this country except for slander, gossip, failure, bankruptcy (both moral and financial), hatred, threats, division, etc. Just look at the hate mail coming from the leftists here on MBSNC's First Pravda Read. Odumbo still doesen't have a plan to fix the economy. He never had a plan, he never will have a plan. All he has done is make it worse and all he will continue to do is make it worse. He's going to lose this election.

Here is the result of how the GNOP supports play with others when allowed out in public;

Tampa, Florida (CNN) – Two people were removed from the Republican National Convention Tuesday after they threw nuts at an African-American CNN camera operator and said, "This is how we feed animals."

Multiple witnesses observed the exchange and RNC security and police immediately removed the two people from the Tampa Bay Times Forum.

The convention released a statement saying, "Two attendees tonight exhibited deplorable behavior. Their conduct was inexcusable and unacceptable. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated."

CNN also acknowledged the incident, saying, "CNN can confirm there was an incident directed at an employee inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum earlier this afternoon. CNN worked with convention officials to address this matter and will have no further comment."

The convention began its first full session on Tuesday after being delayed a day by what was then Tropical Storm Isaac. It continues through Thursday when Mitt Romney is expected to accept the party's nomination as its presidential candidate.

Despicable!!!

I want to see you all defend this!

Very good opening last night. I look foreword to tonight also. The difference between Republicans and Democrats was told plainly and truthfully last night by Christie. Well spoken and straight talk. The Republicans do not care about skin color or nationality. We treat everyone as American. I know you Libbie's can't understand that but its true. We do not want to divide into splinter groups and we do not feel the need to Pander to groups. If you vote for a President on one issue ie abortion or illegal immigration then shame on you. Your a simple minded person and do not have the issues of America at heart.

If you vote to strengthen America and do whats right their is only one choice. The current cavern that was dug by this administration has to be filled in. Stop digging and suck it up. Our future depends on it.

Since we're on the topic of Bush, how many Americans did he send to their deaths in that totally valid and necessary war that was Iraq?

Not as many as LBJ. Come one Jean Luc, you can do better.

Ann Romney: It's not OK to attack Mitt's record and his wealth.

Ann Romney: This does not apply to Obama. It's OK to attack him for the same things. :)

Hypocrite much Ann? :D

Typical Republitards, do as I say now as I do.

Also, I'm not a Republican, nor Democrat, Third Parties are Better. But the Democratic Party is the Worst, lets Replace the Democratic Party with Libertarians and the Green Party!

So far the whole GOP affair has been disjointed. The division over Ron Paul's delegates, the mixed message from Ann Romney and Christie. Santorum hyping himself versus Romney.

I would say a resounding display of narcissism, and "it's all about me".

The lie-fest will continue today, more of the debunked Mediscare claim from Romney, and the out of context "I didn't build that" quote.

Do yourself a favor folks, take a moment and go to politifact.com and factcheck.org and look at the fact checks from last nights statements.

Democracy is such a Weak system, Nothing Backs Democracy, Germany was a Democracy, but the Congress voted for Hitler to become a Dictator. Now, a Republic has something like a Constitution Backing it, so the Government can't do what ever they want or Transform into a Dictatorship so Easily.

TexasT-2966501

Legitimate question: if President Obama were doing such a fantastic job as the chief executive of this country as the pundits portray, shouldn't he be up by at least a couple of touchdowns in the polls over Mitt Romney?

That's not a legitimate question; it's just empty Republican spin. The counter-spin is: Given how bad the economy is, shouldn't Romney be ahead by a wide margin rather than trailing Obama in most polls? The polls are where they are due to a lot of factors. One of them is Romney's repellant personality, which adoring speeches by his wife aren't going to change.

Bill, I know you hate those pesky little details we call FACTS;

But the Greatest Generation, they paid TAXES and a lot of them.

http://www.postindependent.com/article/20120823/VALLEYNEWS/120829957/1083&ParentProfile=1074

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2012/07/01/rethinking-tom-brokaws-greatest-generation-was-it-really-the-greatest/

In typical "me first" form,...you've scoffed at the idea that EACH generation has contributed to the future generation's assets - it takes a sound infrastructure to maintain 'greatness'. But you are content to just say no to progress, to infrastructure, to jobs - whatever - as long as Obama gets NO legislative victories and the unemployment needle doesn't move and he's a one termer.

The speeches last night were a total microcosm of the Republicans that post on FR everyday - a bunch of negative nellies with ZERO optimism. It's great for stirring up the Fear Sector in your party; but I fell pretty confident it doesn't speak to the middle and certainly not to the left. Good luck with the Dope and Change your party is peddling.

Thanks to Hurricane Isaac leaving a ton of moisture behind and the Liar Liar Pants on Fire free flowing from the pie holes of the Righties - It truly was like a SOWNA down there in Tampa. And yes, the MoBot reference was intentional, Chris!

Pulleze. It seems more like Ann Romney for president. This woman will set women's rights back, not forward.

She seems like a power hungry, bleached blonde mislead by her husband's cult.

I can not bear the thought of seeing this woman as first lady. You can not convince me this woman will be good for women's rights.

Christie is also a hypocrite. He needs to gain control of his destiny by going to weight watchers to regain his health and not preach to the rest of us about destiny. We know his future destiny is not going to be good health-wise unless he cleans up his diet.

I don't want people who can not take care of their health running the country. We need healthy, good examples in the White House, not greedy rich hypocrites with hunger for power permeating their speech and actions.

Please, please not more Candy Rice. I have been so over-exposed to her and Bush baby that I am allergic to the image. Take these women off my tele and give me Mrs. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, two people who have earned my respect and are not hypocrites.

At the moment I haven't really heard much from the convention which tells me it's nothing more than the typical hyperbole partisan fest. I don't expect any different from the Democrats either btw.

Jen, that was a tough night for you last night wasnt it? From Artur Davis to Chris Christie, the speakers did a fantastic job of avoiding the personal attacks (unlike you and the rest of your campaign posse) and highlighting the differences between the two candidates. The best part was Christie talking about failed leadership and what it means to lead from behind (like Obama famously does) and leading from the front and changing polls not reacting to them. The biggest thing for me especially watching MSNBC try desperately to be relevant, was the fact that when you look across the country and you see the GOP governors using the GOP formula for economic success and watching it actually work and have an impact in the face of this dire economic mess and as Nicky Haley said the federal government screwing it all up. Jen, how are the states like California and our state in Illinois doing with the failed Obama economic policies? Jen, how are Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio, NC, NJ, SC and Florida doing in contrast?

I assume Jen that the popcorn didnt go down smoothly.

lots of comments here about the spin the networks did last night.

i would encourage you to watch CSPAN. They have no commentators, no commercials and show every person that speaks or performs.

hopefully you don't need maddow or hannity to tell you what to think.

try CSPAN tonight and form your own opinions.

Christie declaring, “Tonight, we’re going to choose respect over love.”

???

I think he's had one too many Krispy Kreme...

TexasT, it is a close race because despite the republican party spending a billion dollars on negative adds, and a whole media network trying to blame all our woes on one man everyday for the last three and a half years, it has not worked as well as they wished. One reason it has not worked is the average person understands how business works better than republican politicians give them credit for. They also understand the policies, positions and the party the previous president belonged to under which this nations economy was kicked to the curb. Another big reason it has not worked is because republicans in Congress did nothing to fulfill their promise of jobs, jobs , jobs. They blocked all attempts at infrastructure projects and stimulus packages, by either tying them to social issues or more tax cuts. So they are seen by many as having a great deal of responsibility for the current situation. Republicans were so worried about letting Obama have any success they deprived themselves of a record of any success in the process. They knew this would make the economy sputter that was exactly their intent, now they seem amazed that the president isn't being held solely responsible. When the private sector is depressed the government is the only thing that can spur the economy by ordering goods and services, and there is plenty of infrastructure that is in need of replacement or repair. Those jobs would have gave many people the disposable income needed to further spur the private sector, but the republican governors went on a mission to even further reduce the wages and benefits for public employees, which only puts more hurt on the private sector. Tax cuts do not create jobs, nobody hires because their taxes are lower, they only hire if they have customers to service and sell to. If you own a small business and nobody walks in the door and spends a dollar then the taxes on the dollar you did not make becomes the first thing on your list of last things to worry about. Lots of people with a few extra dollars to spend spurs hiring, the republicans are all about shifting more costs to the middle class, to enable giving people who already have tons of money a tax cut, that does not spur hiring, it will create more unemployment as people find their income consumed by the bare necessities, and have no extra money to spend with the small businessmen in their community. No businessman hires on the basis of his taxes being cut, or this silly notion of confidence in the president, if they have more customers than their current workforce can service they hire, if they have more employees than required to service their current level of sales they lay off, it has nothing to do with taxes or confidence. As republicans push to lower peoples wages and benefits, as they push to reduce the tax burden on corporations and the wealthy and shift those expenses to the general population you can expect unemployment to rise, because people just won't have the disposable income to create, support, or sustain any expansion of demand, and with no expansion of demand there will be no expansion of hiring.

Feisty, your commentary has a tinge of anger in it and I sense you have little tolerance with people who do not walk in lock step with your ideas. It seems to me you could exploit the success of your candidates agenda rather than attack the other side if you had something to talk about. I would say you are what you complain about a flame throwing ideologue. Are you paid for your diatribes?

rukidding47

Very good opening last night. I look foreword to tonight also. The difference between Republicans and Democrats was told plainly and truthfully last night by Christie. Well spoken and straight talk. The Republicans do not care about skin color or nationality. We treat everyone as American.

Yeah. They treat black people as Americans who shouldn't be allowed to vote, so they get rid of early voting days when blacks traditionally vote in large numbers in Florida and Ohio. And Republicans treat white Americans as a ticking time bomb of racial resentment that can be exploded to the Romney's benefit if they run enough ads lying about Obama getting rid of work requirements for welfare.

You should have watched PBS! The treatment was very evenhanded by what has normally been a very liberal-biased network.

Feisty, even you should be able to realize those people were probably OWS folks trying to make Republicans look bad. Why weren't they identified in the story?

Try to have just a little common sense once in a while.

But I suppose, for a person who actually thinks that Paul Ryan would push an old lady over a cliff, you could aslo believe that at the RNC National Convention, some republicans would behave like that.

You don't get it and you never will.

Well spoken and straight talk. The Republicans do not care about skin color or nationality. We treat everyone as American.

Except that gal'darn Mooslim, ferner we have in the White house currently. We treat him like Sh!7. :)

Feisty, even you should be able to realize those people were probably OWS folks trying to make Republicans look bad.

Ahhhh!

The first conspiracy theorist chimes in...

Anyone else want to elaborate on WCA's weak defense..?? lol

Try to have just a little common sense once in a while.

BTW: Please explain to us how a OWS "folk" would get credentialed while you're at it!

The paranoia runs deep within the GNOP!

PS: Anyone know if they are going to allow Prieubus & Sununu back it?

Caesar Augustus-

hey Fisty whilst you troll the net looking for loose forms of racism, what is there to defend. the two shltheads were removed. the situation was handled. Now Chicago Rahm is begging for help and you won't talk about that. As a black person shoots another screaming "Geeya N*gga". That's acceptable?

Throwing nuts at a black man and call him an animal is a loose form of racism? You are kidding right. Also not sure where Feisty has ever shown that she finds gun violence or murder "acceptable". You have turned an opinion you created about someone else in to some weak form of an attack and expect a response. Sounds like many of the attacks against our current president.

I think Obama said 57 states because he thought the Canadian provinces were U.S. states.

Eric, Nothing about the GOP is as disjointed as the failed leadership of Barack Hussein Obama. Even with a Democratic House and Senate his first two years, Obama was unable to get a BUDGET passed as required by law !

We will leave the lying to you ... you are showing some "talent" in that arena.

I think Obama thought the Canadian provinces were U.S. states.

You really don't know what a US territory is, do you? Or the fact that there happen to be seven of them?

Obama was unable to get a BUDGET passed as required by law !

The only thing the "law" requires is that Obama submits a budget request on time to Congress. He did that. But of course Jim, you knew that.

You forgot to add this Feisty:

from CNN:

It is not clear whether the alleged culprit was a delegate or attending the convention in some other capacity.

In a written statement, CNN addressed the matter but divulged few details: “CNN can confirm there was an incident directed at an employee inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum earlier this afternoon. CNN worked with convention officials to address this matter and will have no further comment

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/republican-national-convention-attendee-allegedly-threw-nuts-black-cnn-camerawoman-details#ixzz24whjZ4n0

Pretty sure if it was a delegate we would know who it was.

Since you brought it up we play by your rules.

YOU Prove who it was and what their motivation was, until you do, you got nothing.

Carlos, you are spot-on. Dumbfux and her minions (bev, dennis, ron, seeking, amy, etc) have refused to ever post why the President should have another term.

I think Obama thought the Canadian provinces were U.S. states.

Did you loose your train of thought, or did it derail?

What does that have to do with the discussion? Oh wait, sorry you're a troll. I get it. :) *ignored*

Mitts not a leader...remember he just has enough digits to sign whatever Grover puts in front of him...

Dumbfux and her minions (bev, dennis, ron, seeking, amy, etc) have refused to ever post why the President should have another term.

Is that like how no GOP poster has yet to explain how Mitt Romney's economic proposals will not only work, but not drive us further into debt?

Fisty, they were removed as they obviously did not belong. Why is that not enough for you? At least they police their own. Your party embraces the lunatics when they act inappropriately.

Hey Teapug trolls, it's the gop's brand of conservatism that is an epic failure.

Only the most feeble and hateful minds refuse to understand this and will vote against their interests hook line and sinker. They think that the Kock brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Fox News, insurance companies, banks, oil companies and drug companies that are financing the gop propoganda have their best interests at heart.

Here's a party that throws a wrench in the spokes of the economy, then says "nobama, barry or hussein" needs to by physically thrown out of office for not being able to fix it...because he is "not like us, doesn't understand America, is influenced by Europe, is a socialist, hates America", etc....Even more ironic is that 8 years of gop policy is what brought the global economy to its knees.

As I said before, Clint Eastwood should have approved alternate themes for each night of the convention:

Day 1: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

Day 2: Fist Full of Dollars

Day 3: For a Few Dollars More!

Dam there is not enough Lib's in here today. So I will step into it.

First to TexasT It was you little Bush and Cheney that put us into this mess to start with. As always the Rep's get us into a mess and the Dem's have to clean up your mess. The Problem here is the Rep's dug the hole so deep it is gonna take us 10 years to get out of the hole. Then there is this thing call Congress that don't want us to get out of the hole. Got got so drunk on having power after being out of power for 40 years that they will do anything to get it back. They are going to make the people suffer for electing President Obama. Less face facts. When ever the Americans elect a president that puts the American people first and wants to do things that American's life's better the Rep's do every thing to stop that President. They did it to JFK, Carter, Clinton, And now Obama, with one little twist, He is half Black. Old Man Koch must be rolling over in his grave, "you let a black man in my white house, and he is not a servant" These people with money think they own the President. Well Obama was elected by the people and he is our president, The rich can't buy him because he is our president, The peoples President. If the people weren't so stupid and put the Congress in the Rep's hands, this rescission would have in our review mirror by now. But the Rep's didn't want that. All they care about is getting the White house back so they can turn this country back over to the Rich. You just have to look at that lap dog Scott Walker. His nose is so deep up Koch brothers back side that all he can see is there butt cheeks. Is that what we want or need in this country. Same with the Governor in Ohio. At least Snider in MI thinks for him self a little. This is not leadership. Its as far from leadership as you can get. These guys are puppets to the Koch's and others like them. I guess there isn't enough money to satisfy people like that.

LUSH SAYS- "

Obama has deported more illegals than any other President....at the rate of 900 to 1,000 a day..everyday for 4 years. What did Bush do?? NOTHING!!"""

Then WHY hasn't Obama and his groupies here used this as a positive to tout in the campaign? Does it have something to do with the "Hispanic vote?"

Here is the fact check from last night.

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/republican-retreads-from-tampa/

YOU Prove who it was and what their motivation was, until you do, you got nothing

Nice try...

I don't have to prove who it was, it has been confirmed IT HAPPENED!

I'll let the readers decide, what they think of a party who publicly humiliates someone who doesn't have the same skin color!

So, anyone else want to continue to endorse this kind of cowardly behavior like WCA has?

Here's a story that CNN doesn't want you to know: Two GOP delegates in Tampa tossed peanuts at an African American camera operator working for CNN and yelled "this is how we feed animals." CNN, of course, is downplaying the story. Before they report something like this, Democrats would have to do something they could portray as equally despicable so they can pretend their craven appeasement of right wing extremism is really "impartiality."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/gop-convention-nuts-story-rnc-and-cnn-issue-terse-statements/2012/08/29/7524fef0-f1d8-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_blog.html?wprss=rss_opinions&tid=pp_widget

Sometimes the simmering racial resentment the Republicans are stoking in order to get Romney into the White House boils over at inopportune times.

Please explain to us how a OWS "folk" would get credentialed while you're at it!

___________________________________________

What's OWS??

Oh yeah, they were that flash in the pan LSD-induced flashback to the 60's dirty, smelly, hippy era.

What ever happened to them?? You don't ever hear anything about them anymore.

LOL!!!

Akeem, New Jersey

Caesar Augustus-

hey Fisty whilst you troll the net looking for loose forms of racism, what is there to defend. the two shltheads were removed. the situation was handled. Now Chicago Rahm is begging for help and you won't talk about that. As a black person shoots another screaming "Geeya N*gga". That's acceptable?

Throwing nuts at a black man and call him an animal is a loose form of racism? You are kidding right. Also not sure where Feisty has ever shown that she finds gun violence or murder "acceptable". You have turned an opinion you created about someone else in to some weak form of an attack and expect a response. Sounds like many of the attacks against our current president.

hey Akeem i think WCA addressed that with Feisty and intent. Nice try Akeem, finding racism in everything is a weak form of an attack and a lack having any courage. You support racism as long as your side does. I see it daily from the Lefty posters like Fisty, Bev and others. But Akeem since you think poor Obama is picked on, then defend his failures. Show me what he has done to better America. Lets start with 8.3% unemployment. and Begin

To all you clever name callers, whats the problem? Did somebody forget to change your diapers when you were little? Did the neighbors have a tree house you were not allowed to play in? Did the teacher in the first grade always call on somebody else? It will be okay.

"Mixed messages" ... from two different people? Shocking. Understandably it must be difficult for thoughtless Democrat sheep to understand individualism.

Is it a "Mixed Message" when someone says increasing the budget deficit is a "sign of failure" .... until he is the one failing?

...their plan to take this country back to the good old days in the 1950's...

After experiencing Obama's America, the 1950's are actually looking pretty good to me.

Sometimes the simmering racial resentment the Republicans are stoking in order to get Romney into the White House boils over at inopportune times.

Houston!

Don't you hate it when that happens?

Plenty of right wing apologists crawling around here this morning!

What I don't understand is, if last night was such a "home-run" for Team Willard, why the usual suspects are throwing such a hissy-fit!

Apparently, even in "victory" they are unable to be civil! lol

I believe those two nut throwers were planted there on purpose and so did the networks or they would have played it big time. No conspiracy theory to this one.

Obama Claims he Campaigned in 57 States (Maybe he wasn’t Born in this Country?).

This is one of those blatantly false statements that you Tea Wacko's pick up on Faux Noize, Beckerhead, Fatbo, Boortz and Lush and repeat, Goebbels-like..over and over..and over...

From the mouth of the President himself...unless you believe its a fake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

So Limpballs, and I assume you are describing yourself and not the famous broadcaster, the basic theme of your argument is that the Obama Administration has been better than the Bush Administration.

I agree.

The Bush Administration is the worst in living memory. Of course this leaves the Obama Administration as the second worst in living memory.

I hope you're proud.

Talk about cowards!

You, who rails on here day after day about people having to back up their stories with facts, crawls back into your little hole with "I don't have anything else to say".

All right then, old gal. I'm willing to wait. When it comes out that this person was some OWS, Code Pink piece of garbage, I'll expect a full retraction from you on your first post tomorrow morning.

I won't hold my breath though.

Repeal the 20th Century

Dude, you are aware we're in the 21st century, right?

SING IT WITH ME CHILDREN!

You ain't talkin' to me!

No you ain't talking to me.

If you're G-O-P

Or just F6Z

You ain't talkin' to me!

Obama/Biden 2012

Oh dear, someone please hold me back so I don't THROW UP over JV ! Another liberal zombie has thrown out that asinine phrase "..vote against their interests ..". Liberals are silly enough to believe that they are the "superior minds" and know what is in our best interests .... than we know !!

ALL BOW BEFORE KING OBAMA and his band of Demmie henchmen !!

RAAALLLLPPPPPHHHH ! EAARRRLLL !!

I do not look at things statically. Where did that 8.3% unemployment come from what cause it?- A recession correct? When did that recession occur?- 4 years ago. From a year to year standing has that number been trending up or down?- down. Explain how that leads to "failure" I won't say its stellar, but just because you use the words failure does not make it true. You can keep asking questions and I will keep answering them

I could care less for Feisty's intentions or why she looked for the article. She found the article posted it and you related it to a "loose for of racism" when it was a blatant one. Finger pointing at her for your action does not excuse it.

well Alan since Obama can't out maneuver Bush who isnt even in office, I guess that would make Obama Admin the worst.

Caesar Augustus-......you said:

Quote.......not one will bother to discuss the harsh realities.....EndQuote

We are more than happy to discuss (and, often do) the harsh realities of how republican policies sent our economy onto life support and then you, when booted, set about doing all possible to insure that our economy does not recover. It is tough to rescue a drowning man with a death wish. But, it can be done and President Obama will do it.

It took FDR nearly 8 years to undo the damage done by his republican predecessor. Actually, President Obama has made more progress in less time. Furthermore, the U.S. economy (under President Obama's leadership) has recovered better than all the western democracies. That is particularly true when compared to those countries that have followed recovery policies similar to those espoused by your republican party.

BTW----Your username betrays your (and many republicans') disdain for democracy. You much prefer an oligarchy. Mitt Romney is a fitting leader for a party of oligarchs.

She found the article posted it and you related it to a "loose for of racism" when it was a blatant one

Akeem, you fail. This isnt about racism, its not even the topic at hand and you are creating an issue to avoid Obama's failures. Way to go. So congrats, clinch those fists and scream that everyone is racist. You still lose. So how was this recession created? Im waiting for the magic word, it's sure to follow

Ian

It took FDR nearly 8 years to undo the damage done by his republican predecessor

it took WWII. nice try. But you are right Obama has made progress with the debt. Quite the accelerator he is. Hows the unemployment, debt, housing? Obama pretty much sucks and can't do anything. Oh he got Obamacare, because Obamacouldcareless

HEY!!! Limpballs finally said something I can agree with!!!

Obama is a failure,Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure.......

You, who rails on here day after day about people having to back up their stories with facts, crawls back into your little hole

I find it somewhat very ironic that you complain about others this way, when any time you are confronted with facts you either deflect or ignore.

LMFAO.....I love when the Libs pull out the race card every time some one says they do not agree with Obama's politics. They can not accept a black person not supporting Obama.....or even any minority. Some awful small, narrow minded people......or is it just desperation because they have no other response

Regarding the credibility and behavior of those attending this (and past) republican conventions:

http://gawker.com/5938288/leader-of-army-plot-to-assassinate-obama-apparently-attended-the-2008-republican-convention-as-a-page

It really doesn't get more moderate than Barack Obama. Most political scientists have him just a smidgen to the left of Mitt Romney

ROFL! Are you kidding?

xabre,

examples please?

cuz you got nothing.

xabre,

examples please?

cuz you got nothing.

Yesterday. I attempted to debate you on the merits of the Romney Ryan economic plan. You deflected then vanished.

In addition, you made a comment to SeekingSanity yesterday to "grow a pair" then you play the deflection / victim card when Feisty makes the same comment to you today. So if Feisty is "obsessed" with your genitals, would that mean you are similarly "obsessed" with SeekingSanity's genitals?

Want me to go on?

Hmm, I wonder why The American Nazi Party and the American Communist Party support Obama so much, oh, I know, it's because OBAMA IS A MARXIST!!!!

The speeches last night were exactly what I expected. The GOP thought Anne could pull in women and it really didn't work. Christie was just angry and that didn't work.

What surprised me the most was that there was NO energy in the convention arena. Usually there is almost an ongoing current through the crowd at the convention - both conventions. This group lacked energy. It was like they just showed up. But, even then, fewer people were there than I have EVER seen for a convention.

Yes, there was the off and on applause but nothing exciting like every other convention I've seen has had. The crowd seemed to be comfortable but not energized.

And, when you looked at the crowd it lacked young people. Oh, there were some - most notably the Romney boys and their wives. But, overall, it was an older, sedate group. I think that is why it lacked the energy that young, excited voters and supporters bring to a group.

It say a lot about the Republican party. It shows they have moved away from fresh thinking and they can't hold the young people's votes. The party - unless they make serious changes - is doomed. It really showed last night.

Obama/Biden 2012

Nah xabre, you said this election wasn't about the economy.

I said you were wrong.

there was no debate.

Sorry if that hurt your feelings. Some days I can play here a little more than other days. Lately not so much.

I told Sanity to grow a pair, because she too has made several comments about my junk and had made a broad comment accusing me of attacking Michelle Obama, which was a lie.

See xabre, I will tolerate fools on this site, it's actually a requirement. But I don't tolerate people who lie about me.

gawker? really. what's next, the onion

You deflected then vanished.

that is rich coming from you xabie. look save yourself the embarrassment, you won't win this. Even Obama isnt talking about it. WCA is right, i was there.

What was funny was the MSNBC panel. They looked like the unpopular kids at school. Sitting together with no other friends...

Talk about "anger and hatred". What a bunch of losers.

Caesar Augustus-........you said:

Quote......So how was this recession created? Im waiting for the magic word, it's sure to follow......EndQuote

That's simple and very well known. The republican party created it. Those who voted for republicans are ultimately responsible. So, in reality, YOU are responsible.

BTW----does anyone know who Caesar Augustus- really is? It appears to be one of many usernames used occasionally by someone who mostly posts under other names.

If given another chance, you folks will deliver yet more blows to the American middle class and, perhaps, render our economy beyond repair.

Akeem, you fail. This isnt about racism, its not even the topic at hand and you are creating an issue to avoid Obama's failures. Way to go. So congrats, clinch those fists and scream that everyone is racist. You still lose. So how was this recession created? Im waiting for the magic word, it's sure to follow

I cannot lie you honestly have me stunned. I no longer no what you are speaking of. I am not creating an issue I only responded to what you had written about. I never even called anyone a racist, I described your actions you came to the conclusion on your own.

How did I avoid Obama's "failure" by answering your question? How did the recession start? there are about 20 different asnwers all which could be correct and all center around greed. When those answers are compiled all hands are dirty, but in my opinions the Republicans are dirtier than the Democrats... Were you just simply trying to bait me blame Bush, because yes as President he does harbor blame as well.

Stimulus spending was bi-partisan. The wars were started under a Republican administration. Medicare Part -D as well. Now could you tell me why it is Obama's debt and HIS spending problem?

Obama is a failure....

You're right Limpballs, Obama is a failure.

Nah xabre, you said this election wasn't about the economy.

I said you were wrong.

there was no debate.

Wrong again. I said if it was about the economy, why won't anyone debate Romney's proposals and their historical failures? Apparently GOP posters here want it to be about the economy, until someone comprehends the gravity of the GOP proposals, then it's no longer about the economy. All you merely did was misread yet another post, then "obsess" about SeekingSanity's genitals then run off. Maybe it's because you so aptly put:

cuz you got nothing.

That's simple and very well known. The republican party created it. Those who voted for republicans are ultimately responsible. So, in reality, YOU are responsible.

To use your logic the Democratic Congress of 2006 - 2008 must be completely blameless for the recession and the totality of the blame must fall on the Bush Administration?

Now perhaps you will hold the Obama Administration responsible for the current economic conditions and in no way blame the actions of the current congress.

Any Republicans lambasting Ann Robme for using TWO telepromptors?

Anyone?

Ok then, how many women do you think Ann Robme convinced to give up their Consitutional Rights and turn their decision-making over to her husband?

Anyone?

Obama/Biden 2012

why won't anyone debate Romney's proposals and their historical failures?

Because you will simply say trickle down doesn't work and then go off on a troll like tangent.

What's to debate?

JoeNY

I liked to flip the channels while watching the convention last night. It was interesting to see how different networks used the moment. Curiously enough MSNBC had Chris Mathews and Rachael Maddow (and others) talking while all of the Republican minority speakers were on stage.

This! I find it incredibly racist of MSNBC to exclude minority speaches on television. I also find it incredibly racist that people in these forums only see people for their skin color. Being non-white and non-male doesn't give someone a free pass to be an idiot on television.

yes you got me Akeem i was baiting you into Bush and yes i do blame him too. But as to Republicans being dirtier the democrats, i would say you've been asleep the last 4 years. But we have Obama with Grandiose promises, debt reducing, Hope and Change (more of the same) and a slough of other let downs but you won't put any blame where it currently lies. The wars under the Bush admin are the sames one still here under this one. Hows Gitmo and the Patriot act. Tax cuts, no thoses are bushes (except Obama adopted them). Why cant you admit that Hope and Change was not so hopeful and didnt bring about any (positive) change.

As to the racism, you clearly again let Fisty have a pass. It was irrelevant to post what it posted. It was 'racist' yet that dooshbag is racist daily. I dont expect you to call it out.

Ian, please try to figure out who i am. it will make for a boring times. Ian you look like several libtard posters here daily. No facts, blame bush. Yawn.

Caesar Augustus-.......you said:

Quote......gawker? really. what's next, the onion......EndQuote

This is being reported in several media outlets (both here and in the UK). They are quite easy to find.

Would you like to go on record that this report is not accurate?

It is ironic that folks (such as yourself) who get most of their "news" from KING Rupert of tabloid journalism would scoff at anything. Perhaps we should find a bleached-blonde helmet head to read it to you.

Because you will simply say trickle down doesn't work and then go off on a troll like tangent.

What's to debate?

Studies have shown it doesn't work. Trickle-down has had little to no increase in wealth for the middle class, and essentially none for the lower class. There is no debate because these are facts.

wow xabre, what color is the sky in your little world?

I think that most of the 15%'s here on NBC have totally forgot the mid-term elections. Has our President drifted to the right to try and accomplish things like President Clinton did? No. So the shellacking will continue in November. Most Americans are not like this group here on NBC and they will vote accordingly. The Tea Party mentality that the 15%'s demonize is alive and well in America because it is based on a more conservative agenda.

1/20/2013 - the end of an error

wow xabre, what color is the sky in your little world?

Another deflection from the genital-obsessed hypocrite. I anticipate your deflections will devolve into nothing more than personal attacks; commonplace for a troll unable to discuss merits of an argument.

Almost 10 years since Bush's Tax-Cuts for the wealthy and I am still waiting for the crumbs to trickle down to me....

Hey dumb*ss. You do realize that the Bush Tax Cuts weren't just for the wealthy, right? If you work (yes, an unlikely proposition in your case), you are likely benefiting from them as well.

Hey AlanNJ: The clip you just linked everyone to is the one where Obama indeed said he's been to 57 states. Did it sound like 47 to you? Get your hearing checked please.

Xabie, what works. what kind of economy works? trickle up? Seems to be working great, reality shows it doesnt. No study needed. just look at the current events

Ian quit while you're ahead.

TO: TexasT-2966501 who wrote:

"...if President Obama were doing such a fantastic job as the chief executive of this country as the pundits portray, shouldn't he be up by at least a couple of touchdowns in the polls over Mitt Romney?"

President Obama is ahead of Mitt Robme in every area that counts, which is the electorial college, AND the popular vote. Mitt Robme lost 3 States when he named Paul Ryan as his running mate.

If you were watching the Republican Convention last night, after Ann and Governor Crispy Creme finished their speeches, President Obama was up by +10 (51 to 41, Obama). Before the Republican Convention Obama and Robme were tied.

President Obama is the projected winner come November.

Obama/Biden 2012

Cholesterol Christy sounded like his own campaign speech for 2016. What a blob. Then he talks about working together when he has just shoved so much down the throats of N. J. citizens with "My way or the highway approach!' Glad to see that Walker is also a teabugger favorite. He has divided Wisconsin so bad after this 53% landslide win! The theme for republicans is, "Divide and divide more!"

imnotlost

I think Obama said 57 states because he thought the Canadian provinces were U.S. states

You may wanta check your rants before posting (its 10 provinces and 3 territories fyi)

jim-1455434

Only MSDNC could distort the speeches in this fashion

You may wanta confront Mike Wallace who just said on Fox that Christies speech was more about him than Romney

That had to hurt

Feisty...how's your job coming along? You still unemployed and blaming Bush? It clear by the shear volume of posts you either don't have a job and have simply given up and are collecting a govt paycheck paid by those that do work...or if you happen to have a job, its only a matter of time before you are canned based on time you spend crapping out your mouth on this site. Maybe you could hold a job if you put half as much effort into working as you do posting crap every minute on this site...its ok...I know you like being part of the 8.3% and growing.

Xabie, what works. what kind of economy works? trickle up? Seems to be working great, reality shows it doesnt. No study needed. just look at the current events

If I recall, we discussed this already. Inserting wealth into the middle class would yield the best results.

Studies have shown it doesn't work. Trickle-down has had little to no increase in wealth for the middle class, and essentially none for the lower class. There is no debate because these are facts.

So what do you want to debate? Your mind is already made up. We get that you don't think the Romney policy will work.

Hey AlanNJ: The clip you just linked everyone to is the one where Obama indeed said he's been to 57 states. Did it sound like 47 to you? Get your hearing checked please.

No it sounded like 57 to me but that doesn't mean Limpballs will believe it.

White Collar Auto

Where was the message of hope last night

Liberals Hope.

Conservatives Act.

Why yes they do. They 'act' like Jack Asses. They 'act' like humans. They 'act' like they care to get a few votes.

But let's just agree right now,...they won't be winning any Oscars for their efforts!

(Seriously,...you set them up,...I'll keep hitting 'em past the fences! Thanks!)

So far, this (2012 republican) convention is the most boring in recent memory. It's all pomp and ceremony. Nobody with a dissenting point of view is allowed to speak. Even Ron Pauls' delegate counts were (insultingly) not repeated at the podium.

The most interesting part of it is who chose not to be there and who was locked out.

Attack of the clones.

If I recall, we discussed this already. Inserting wealth into the middle class would yield the best results.

no we didnt discuss this but tell me, how would you insert wealth into the middle class?

So what do you want to debate? Your mind is already made up. We get that you don't think the Romney policy will work.

If there was a fact there Alan, I didn't see it.

no we didnt discuss this but tell me, how would you insert wealth into the middle class?

I'd start by making sure they paid less of an effective tax rate than those at the top, for starters. Next, I would create something similar to the stimulus; a program in which we rebuild the failing infrastructure of this country. This creates jobs (albeit temporary) that in turn gives the employees (many whom were unemployed) money to spend. When they have money to spend, they spend it. This increases consumption. With increased consumption, comes demand. With increased demand, private corporations create jobs to meet the demand. This in turn creates more permanent positions that can be filled after those aforementioned 'temporary' jobs are over.

Chris Christie wants to run in 2016 and many mainstream Republicans also want him to run. No matter how he read the words in the prepared speech, the underlying subconscious message was more about how great a candidate Christie will be instead of about Romney. How else could it be? If Romney wins it would move Christie considering a run out to 2020.

I also don't think the mainstream GOP likes the Ryan choice as VP because it brings in the Tea Party and far right on his coattails and they've already done severe harm to the GOP brand as it is. The only long term survivability for the GOP is to marginalize the far right and become more inclusive to moderates and minorities.

It's in the long term best interests of the GOP to let Romney lose this one, blame it on the far right, and spend all their energies to start building for 2016. Scuttling their nominee would definitely have to be subtle, though, so they won't do it nationally. They'll only have to make sure Romney doesn't win enough of the required swing states. So, nationally Romney could be up or neck and neck, but we all know it's the electoral vote that counts and not the popular vote. Romney winning the popular vote and still losing also provides the necessary solace to the GOP voters who will certainly not be happy, but it will not sting quite as badly.

MSNBC wants you to think the Republican Party hates minorities. So much so that the liberal news network cut minority speeches from it’s convention coverage.

When popular Tea Party candidate Ted Cruz, the GOP nominee for Senate, took the stage, MSNBC cut away from the Republican National Convention and the Hispanic Republican from Texas’ speech.

MSNBC stayed on commercial through former Democratic Rep. Artur Davis’ speech, as well. Davis, who recently became a Republican, is black.

Then, when Puerto Rican Governor Luis Fortuno’s wife Luce’ Vela Fortuño took the stage minutes later, MSNBC hosts Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews opted to talk over the First Lady’s speech.

And Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval? Noticeably missing from MSNBC, too.

Mia Love, a black candidate for Congress in Utah, was also ignored by MSNBC.

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MSNBC doesn't have the evidence to back up their claims that the GOP is racist, so what do they do? They manufacture it based on lies and false coverage.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/08/28/pathetic_msnbc_cuts_speeches_given_by_minorities_at_rnc_from_coverage

Xabre @1.86: Yes I do know what a U.S. territory is, and it doesn't matter how many there are, they are not states, can't vote for President and I'll send you a 10 lb bag of Feisty's favorite popcorn if you can show me the President actually campaigned there.

Jeff @ 1.90: Whether you *ignore* me or not, my post was inresponse to an earlier post, but you didn't read it did you?

Wow! Mitts in trouble now how is he going to remember all of those lies and bullsh,it for later in his campaaign. Christie was remarkable. I saw the para medics standing by with a hamburger and oxygen just in case. Turned out all he needed was his diaper changed.

Well has anyone heard what the viewer numbers were. I had to turn it off when Mitt looked like he was gonna cry. Storage wars was better.

Still no specifics i guess they come when he has to think them up. Oh well

they are not states, can't vote for President

They can help nominate a candidate, however.

Next, I would create something similar to the stimulus; a program in which we rebuild the failing infrastructure of this country

LOL. American Reinvestment and Recovery Act = FAIL

Bush failed with infrastructure, so did Obama.

Next, I would create something similar to the stimulus;

how many of these do we need, where is the money coming from?

With increased demand, private corporations create jobs to meet the demand. This in turn creates more permanent positions that can be filled after those aforementioned 'temporary' jobs are over.

so how is this going to happen? US currently lacks industry compared to china and the globe, we dont have business friendly environment for the small business, high coroporate taxes and the list goes on.

sure supply and demand but your solution really sounds very general and eerily similar to every politians view when addressing the public.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

They're still the party of pale male

It amazes me how someone can say something like that and people think its ok. How would you feel if she said, referring to Democrats "they're still the party of dark male"?

What is that supposed to mean? Is being a "pale male" a bad thing? Surely you are not being a racist are you (regardless of your own race/color)? You wouldn't like or dislike a candidate based on his color/race would you?

The only thing that should matter when you vote for a candidate is decency, and if you think he/she would be a good President, not whether or not he is "pale".

Seeking Sanity @1.127: Who died and left you the expert speech analyst?

They're still the party of pale male

It amazes me how someone can say something like that and people think its ok.

its a form racism that gets a free pass from the hard leftwing militia members on FR.

The Republicans must think we're stupid.

That's the reason for the acrimony. It's classical bullying. First they try to persuade you. If that doesn't work, then the insults start. Look at this board.

Romney and Ryan? A pair of rats peddling their versions of better trap bait.

Mr Ryan: Tell me the difference between a legitimate rape and an illegitimate rape. Too, please explain to me why insurance carriers will be so eager to sell affordable health insurance to old people who are nearing the end of their lives.

Mr Romney: What gives you the right to determine my tax rates when you refuse to show me what you pay? Why should I believe you can create jobs when your primary business has been to destroy them? Why do you say "bailouts" are wrong when you finagled a good share of the bailout money? Why did you take the computer hard drives, and all tracks of your term as Governor of Massachusetts and hide or destroy them? After all this why would I not believe you are a liar and a thief? Fact, candidate Romney; I accuse you of being nothing more than a liar and a thief.

All of these conservatives/Republicans complaining about MSNBC, First Read, coverage of the convnetion. Yet, here you all are. And there you were last night watching. Why is that? There are other choices for you if you don't like these. Why are you here? Complain much?

THIS IS SO ENTERTAINING. I AM ENJOYING ALL THE FEAR FROM THE LEFT ON THIS BOARD. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOME NEW FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT IN AFTER NOVEMBER WHEN THE BIGGEST FAILURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY IS THROWN OFF HIS THROWN AND A REAL PRESIDENT TAKES HIS PLACE.

LIBS ARE SCARED, LIBS ARE CRYING, LIBS ARE WATCHING THEIR HERO FRYING.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

so how is this going to happen? US currently lacks industry compared to china and the globe, we dont have business friendly environment for the small business, high coroporate taxes and the list goes on.

Oh, you mean we don't have a workforce that won't work for $10 a day? There's answers to that too: tariffs and tax breaks. Give tax incentives for companies willing to produce and hire here in the USA.

I'm rather surprised that the usual liberal presence on here is showing so much fear about a pending Romney victory. I think you can calm down. I can only imagine that Obama will rise to the challenge of the same sort of rhetoric that ya'll are throwing around here.He's gonna stay with the same old talking points, generally one issue from each special interest group that will actually cast a ballot for him.

I think that the speeches from last night from Governor Christi and Ann Romney were spot on with what each wished to express. Ann, with grace and dignity, outlined their life together and the focus and dedication that Mitt has placed into every job he has had and every obligation in his life. She accomplished what she wished to in what was an intelligent, eloquent speech to the Women of this country. Bravo Ann. Governor Christi, in my opinion, hammered on the greatest issue that this country is facing....the economy. He illustrated, through his own experience as a Republican with a Majority Democrat constituency that there can be a common goal and that it doesn't have to be painful to cut taxes and have a prosperous society. Does anyone from New Jersey wish to discuss Christy's policy and their state? I though his speech was very powerful with regard to the direction the Republican party needs to take to get back to a better standard of living for all people through hard work and a desire to succeed. I don't know why so many are opposed to working for a better life. So maybe those of you who are expressing fear about the prospect of national solvency could explain your concerns in an open and intelligent manner. It's about the economy. Social change means nothing if our Democracy fails to prosper.

How come MSNBC didn't broadcast the Mia Love Speech?

well here it is http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-house-candidate-mia-love-impresses-rnc-crowd-with-fiery-speech/

A voice recording of Mitt Romney just phoned me and said Obama is a "black nazi, a pig eating Muslim, a Kenyan, a black panther, Monkey Boy, Spear Chucker, an Indonesian, house nxgger, Communist and a nasty homosexual".....

WTF??????

The Speeches were so hateful and angry, it seem like every other word came out their mouth was.

That Black Guy should have never been President. We all white males hate the black people and women the most.

I't my turn now. Mooooovvvveeee Ovvvvverrrrrrrr

Caesar Augustus-.......you said:

Quote.....They're still the party of pale male. It amazes me how someone can say something like that and people think its ok. its a form racism that gets a free pass from the hard leftwing militia members on FR......EndQuote

So, by your "logic", if anyone refers to the KKK as a gang of "white males", they would be guilty of "a form (of) racism".

Are you folks aware how flawed your "reasoning" is?

In poker, you would (generously) be called a "four flusher". You just don't have the cards. So, what else can you do?

THIS IS SO ENTERTAINING. I AM ENJOYING ALL THE FEAR FROM THE LEFT ON THIS BOARD. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOME NEW FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT IN AFTER NOVEMBER WHEN THE BIGGEST FAILURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY IS THROWN OFF HIS THROWN AND A REAL PRESIDENT TAKES HIS PLACE.

LIBS ARE SCARED, LIBS ARE CRYING, LIBS ARE WATCHING THEIR HERO FRYING.

Please.....Please....continue to jack off to broadcasts of Faux Noize, Beckerhead, Fatbo, Boortz and Lush....because its helping to assure the re-election of President Obama.

LIBS ARE SCARED, LIBS ARE CRYING, LIBS ARE WATCHING THEIR HERO FRYING.

Very mature.

Governor Christi, in my opinion, hammered on the greatest issue that this country is facing....the economy. He illustrated, through his own experience as a Republican with a Majority Democrat constituency that there can be a common goal and that it doesn't have to be painful to cut taxes and have a prosperous society.

Except that New Jersey is not a prosperous society. It is around about the 45th by almost any economic measure.

And here we see the entire problem. Republicans talk a great game, if you don't actually look at reality, they sound marvelous. People like you are their constituency, those who are easily fooled.

Grace and dignity are easy to project when you are talking from a prepared speech.

It's about the economy. Social change means nothing if our Democracy fails to prosper.

Exactly. And when we point out that it is the Republican-endorsed policies that have brought us to the difficult economic situation we find ourselves in - that's when the insults start. The truth is that Obama has been trying to dig us out of this mess, while at the same time being told he's a Communist and a Muslim terrorist.

I don't have to prove who it was, it has been confirmed IT HAPPENED!

Typical liberal entitlement mentality, “Whatever I say is fact, and I don’t have to prove anything”.

Unfortunately Feisty, we don’t live in your fantasy world or unicorns, rainbows and bubblegum politics……..we live in the real world where fabricated stories bear the burden of proof. It’s time the liberals dispense with the childish name-calling and unsubstantiated stories. America is better than bullying.

I know several of you are fearful of this word 'change' but

FYI, it ain't MSNBC anymore !

Microsoft, NBC dissolve MSNBC.com joint venture

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-nbc-dissolve-msnbc-com-joint-venture-021921421--finance.html

Microsoft and NBC officially call it quits

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57472662-93/microsoft-and-nbc-officially-call-it-quits/

Microsoft sells MSNBC.com stake

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jul/16/microsoft-msnbc

IT's NBC news.

Please revise your mantra.

Interestingly the same folks who are appalled at racial descrimination or about discrimination toward gay people have no problem making derogatory comments about people who have a weight problem. Heavy folks aren't that way just because they are lazy or pigs, some are of course, but many are heavy due to medication they take for other things, they could be heavy through inheretance of genes that originally meant survival in times of famine or they could be heavy due to a medical condition that causes them to be that way. Descrimination is descrimination and any comments or actions toward another person for things that are not important is descrimination and it doesn't have to just be about race or sexual orientation.

I don't know why Gov. Christy is the way he is and it is none of our business. It is what he says and how he says it that is important not how he looks.

@txmom32#1.173: Very unimpressive skit. Just the usual republican, "farting Hoot-e-nanny". Romney has about as much chance beating the President as you do of being impregnated by a rogue Texas Haint. Sorry for your confusion Ma'am.

Chris Christie has a stupid name and he is also a fat kent

ACountryHeadedTowardsAWall........

Would you care to deny that it happened? Take a stand....if you dare.

http://thegrio.com/2012/08/29/rnc-black-cnn-camera-operator-allegedly-pelted-with-peanuts-told-this-is-how-we-feed-animals/

Maybe you would rather concede that it happened but claim the perpetrators were "democrat plants". After all, we now know how easy it is for all sorts to gain entrance to (even be employed by) republican conventions.

http://gawker.com/5938288/leader-of-army-plot-to-assassinate-obama-apparently-attended-the-2008-republican-convention-as-a-page

Feisty,

Maybe I missed it, but I'm wondering how you are able to be the very first poster on half the articles on this site.

Can you explain? Are you given several minutes advanced notice of an article? Do you work for NBCNEWS? I'd hate to imagine that you don't and the real explanation is that you hit refresh on your browser hundreds of thousands of times a day, every day, just to get the jump on everyone else.

Because if that latter is true, what should we gleam from that about you?

I am being dead serious here. Tell us your story.

@ Bill, Fairfax VA,

Post 1.5

You make it sound like people should be happy to work for others. Teachers shouldn't worry about retiring or for that matter you shouldn't be signing contracts with school districts to invest in your future. Just go to work everyday and work for someone else. Romney on the other hand can create companies that make millions of dollars by using the money you have invested in your retirement and when he is done he stops repaying the money he borrowed from you, sells it to a bogus company that then files bankruptcy the next day. Why should we reward someone of that nature by making him President? He could care less whether you retire or not he only cares about his family. I don't have a problem voting for a Republican but this man is not even a good Republican. The companies he claims to be so good, such as Staples and Sports Authority are nothing more than a Chinese product outlet. Tell me one product he sells that he produces in the United States? This guy has been out of my radar as a candidate from the very first day or not long after when he failed to mention his total assets to the Election Board. He claims he forgot because it was such a small amount. What else has he forgot to mention? I hate that the Republican Party couldn't do better! I hate what Obama is doing to this country but what he is doing is not worth the risk of what Romney could do to it. Romney's idea "for a country to prosper some have to suffer" is just not what I want for anyone in the United States. Maybe in 4 years someone worthy of being President on the Republican side might step up. I can only hope this country doesn't become Northern Mexico before then.

How desperate is Obama......he is breaking a 30 years tradition by continueing(SIC) to campaign during the other party's convention.

Almost as desperate as Romney/Ryan breaking tradition and submitting two years of tax return(or less).

Feisty,

"All I heard was anger & hatred to anyone who doesn't march lock-step with their plan to take this country back to the good old days in the 1950's..."

I guess by the good old days in the 1950's you mean the good old days of Senator McCarthy and school segregation. But you have to remember, the economy was booming in the 1950's because we were the only industrial economy still existing in the world after WWII, and everyone else had to buy American products. Who cares about a bunch of civil rights. We want jobs, right?

I am not sure why anyone engages with Xabre or Limp as they clearly are part of the Jen (Fiesty) campaign team along with Seeking Sanity. They are not posting for engagement but just part of the posting strategy to personally attack rather than offer any engagement. Did you notice that there was no personal attacks at the GOP convention last night in any of the speeches? They just offered up comparisons and of course, did Jen and her team follow the same course today? Of course not. Jen and Seeking Sanity, why are the Obama economic policy states doing so much worse than the GOP states?

Ann Romney humanizing her husband? There is a sh!t sandwich Conservaturds had trouble swallowing.

I feel like we've got no one worth voting for this time. Romney's too pro "Out-Sourcing" / "Free Market" and Obama's to pro union. Can't win. We really need a viable 3rd party, who will actually represent the American citizens who are electing them. I consider myself an independent voter, but going back to the Reagan days and with the only exception having been Perot, I’ve always voted Republican. We need whoever wins the next election to Start Protecting American Jobs and do whatever it takes to bring back the jobs they let go. They should've given us somebody who would stand up for the American people.

Over the years both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

Neither party is willing to Start Protecting American Jobs and do whatever it takes to bring back the jobs they let go. We really need somebody who will stand up for the American people.

These so-called “free trade agreements” have to go. It was obvious when they were passing these agreements as to what was going to happen and sure enough it did. Our leaders had to have known this as well when they were passing these bills. It’s just common sense.

The “Global Market Place” is not a level playing field! The whole idea of the tariffs is so we can pay our factory workers a decent wage and not be blown out by these other countries where they don’t play by the same rules.

We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.

The bottom line is that “Our Government” has to protect American industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.

We need to add tariffs that are proportionate to the inequities in wages and regulations in the country where the goods were produced and or where we’re importing them from. We could then use the money raised by these tariffs to help companies build state of the art manufacturing plants here in the USA, which would create more jobs here at home for US citizens, which would then in turn increase our income tax revenue.

Bringing manufacturing back to the US not only gives jobs to the US citizens who would be working in those manufacturing facilities, but to the people that would be working in the businesses that would spring up all around them. This should also include the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. Let’s keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

We need to bring manufacturing back to the United States of America and both parties are ignoring tariffs as a way to level the playing field, raise money and bring jobs back home. Let's guess why. Oh that's right, tariff is a dirty word. Hum, maybe it’s that our so called leaders (political leaders) are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs.

I guess we should keep letting Corp Boards, Wall Street, CEOs and Foreign Lobbyists promote sending US jobs to countries where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. How's that been working for us?

The so called “Global Market Place” is not a level playing field. Companies may have made higher profits by "out sourcing", but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world’s customer base out of work. I’m not a lefty or member of any union. I run a business that employs over 20 people and produces products that are purchased by customers that do manufacturing and packaging. I’m just an average Joe, but I've been saying this for more than 10 years now. If I can see it, so can our so called leaders (political leaders) who are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs.

This didn't happen overnight. It's been happening over the past 15-20 years, but the economy was kept going by middle class Americans tapping into the equity on their homes until they were completely tapped out.

Check out Perot back in 1992 "Jobs getting sucked out of the country” – Many people saw it back then, but unfortunately too many people bought into the spin of “BS” that we were being sold.

YouTube - Giant Sucking Sound - Ross Perot 1992 Presidential Debate.flv

And this something that most of us already know at that time, because it was just common sense!

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Check this site out: economyincrisis.org

Check out: economyincrisis.org/content/protectionism-matter-self-survival#comment-6632

Check out: economyincrisis.org/content/unethical-predatory-practices

Too bad we'll never see these types of articles in themainstream media

Xabre, why do you keep saying that one of the things you would do is to make sure the poor and middle class pay an effective tax rate below the rich when there is zero factual data to support your view that they dont already? From an income tax perspective the poor pay zero and the middle class at best pays on average a 7% plus state effective tax rate. The wealthy pay anywhere from 18-24% depending on how you define wealthy. So that seems very progressive to me almost 3-4 times the middle class? Payroll taxes are your contribution to your future retirement benefits so they dont count because you get those back. Whether the rich should pay a higher fair share whatever that means is a different question but lets not act like the poor and middle class pay a higher tax rate than the rich.

Second, you think tax incentives and tariffs will bring jobs back home? What economics class did you get an F in? Explain to me how paying higher wages in the US for benefits and then making sure that you impose a tariff on foreign goods that come into the US in order to equalize the competitive disadvantage of the US made product will help GM sell that same car, Coca Cola sell their products or Apple to sell their products in a foreign country? You do realize that global US corporations do sell their products in foreign countries right? So when you execute your plan and all of a sudden, GM's cars are 30% more expensive and you try and sell that car in Brazil, South Africa, Indonesia and its competing with Toyota who wins? I love how all you econ experts think that all it takes is we increase the wages here for the middle class and impose tariffs on Chinese products and Poof the middle class is back. Not always but in most cases when jobs are outsourced offshore, its to make that company more competitive and increase revenue in order to save or create more US jobs.

Sheesh! I finally agree with Feisty on something and get collapsed? What is up with that?

Whats the point of these things? Honestly - democrat or republican - people have already made up their minds, and its not like the insightful, well thought out statements posted here (sarcasm) are swaying any opinions.

Personally - im voting for Romney. Not because i like Romney, i dont. But I know what i will get with Obama again, and i dont want that. So as ive done in the past, ill take the evil i dont know and hope for the best. Personally - i wish there were more options - but there isnt. Ive basically voted for the "other guy" since i could vote - except for Clinton - who was the only one i voted for as an incumbant.

Sidenote - I see a lot of left leaning people here frothing at the mouth as they call the other side full of hate. People need to look in the mirror and check themselves - hate to break it to you - but the right doesnt have a monopoly on hate, racism and bigotry - theres PLENTY to go around from the otherside of the isle.

You have to appreciate the extreme hypocrisy of the left referring to hate and anger in the RNC speeches. This is the group of people who absent any facts call Romney a felon, and imply he killed the wife of a steelworker and pit one American against the other daily. The bonus irony here is that the leftist extremist president is now attacking Ryan as being "extreme". The humor value of this is priceless. Democratic strategy is clear. When you can't run on your record, you distort, divert attention, and engage in character assasination while throwing some bones to shore up your base illegels and welfare recipients. Truly pathetic and won't work come November even with NBC acting as a surrogate for Pravda.

Colorado-Man,

"Sheesh! I finally agree with Feisty on something and get collapsed? What is up with that?"

Most of the right wingers don't like Feisty because she is an outspoken, liberal Democrat, so they always collapse her posts, and, as much as possible, those of anyone who agrees with her. You just happened to agree with her once, and the result speaks for itself.

BoBo the Clown,

"the right doesnt have a monopoly on hate, racism and bigotry - theres PLENTY to go around from the otherside of the isle."

You are correct. The right does not have a monopoly on hate, racism and bigotry, but they are trying hard to achieve one. They just haven't quite got there yet.

Personally - im voting for Romney. Not because i like Romney, i dont. But I know what i will get with Obama again, and i dont want that. So as ive done in the past, ill take the evil i dont know and hope for the best.

You do know the evil. We had 8 years of it under Bush. You have seen the result, which is what Obama is being called a Communist for - for trying to dig us out of that.

You have to appreciate the extreme hypocrisy of the left referring to hate and anger in the RNC speeches. This is the group of people who absent any facts call Romney a felon, and imply he killed the wife of a steelworker and pit one American against the other daily.

As always, you are misquoting. He wasn't called a felon. He was called "either a felon, or someone who owes an explanation to the American people." Do you understand the more complex construction?

Similarly, for Romney, he didn't take a knife and stab her to death, but his carelessness contributed to her death. Is that a lie? If she had insurance and her cancer had been caught early, do you suppose she might be alive today?

This is your idea of "hypocrisy?" Pointing out the possibilities and the truth?

" The right does not have a monopoly on hate, racism and bigotry, but they are trying hard to achieve one. They just haven't quite got there yet."

Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. The right and the left are both bigoted, hateful and racist. The right just says the hate and rolls with it - the left says the hate, but somehow just tries to paint it as they arent. Who is the first side to perceive racism in ANY statement political or otherwise? the left - because they WANT to see racism everywhere in every statement, they are activly looking for it. Normal people will read a statement and think nothing of it, where a lefty is screaming foul. Who needs to break Americans down into segregated categories no longer viewing them as Americans, but viewing them as Black Americans, or Asian Americans, or Gay Americans? The left. Does it matter? Does it matter that you are a Gay American vs a Straight American - do you really need to differenciate? Of course not, but many will say they need to do that to treat people equally. I call BS - if you want equality - simply treat everyone equal, stop all the non-sense adjective Americans - your an American or you arent - pure and simple.

The Right tend to stand behind religion and morals as the reason for their ways, the left - i got no idea what their issue is. But my observations from the middle boil it down to the Right feel they are right based on morals and religion - and you are hateful/bigotted/racist for attacking them on it. The Left feel they are right on humanitarian reasons and anyone that disagrees with them are hateful, bigotted racists.

I look at both sides as nutbag fringes. They both feel that they need to protect everyone else from the evils that they are too stupid to protect themselves from. The only difference is what each side deems evil. Those of us who are in the middle of the road are left shaking our heads at the idiocy of both. Then each election, as the politicians move further and further into the land of loony and become more partisan - the majority of Americans in the middle are just left grabbing their ankles as nothing gets done while each side blames the other for being obstructionists who are unreasonable and unwilling to compromise... at best. At worst - read the forums right here and bear witness to the blind hate as neither side sees aaaany fault with their sides views.

Am I the only person in America who has a brother who is a Republican and a racist and a Rush Limbaugh devotee and a Fox News viewer? I think not.

Rush Limbaugh and Fox News are constantly feeding red meat to the racist wing of the Republican Party. My brother was not able to go to college because he chose the Vo-tech path. He is a mechanic and heavy drinker. He is angry at former employers, former co-workers, Clinton and Obama. He calls his neighbors white trash although he isn't one. He says many of his friends agree with him. His last Democratic friend is no longer a friend because he dared to complain about a fireworks injury that cost him $500 to treat. My brother launched this firework from his bare hand which is his habit. And he dismissed this friendship of 30 + years with a "damn Democrat".

He told me that I was crazy for voting for that damn N.....r. I voted for Obama in 2008. You get the picture. I try to avoid him as much as possible.

I believe there are a bunch of these angry, racist white men out there fueled in their hatred by the words of Rush Limbaugh and the distorted news from Fox and innuendo from almost all the Republican candidates for the nomination. Only recently when another brother of mine (also a Republican) did his tax returns for him (for his entire adult life) and my racist brother began bitching about those damn Liberals, my brother pointed out to him how much lower his taxes were because of the earned income tax credit (a Liberal supported plan passed as part of Clinton's 93 tax reform bill) and that he had been getting this substantial break for almost 20 years.

You'd think my racist brother would have been thankful and maybe moderated his hatred for liberals. No way, these people are a lost cause, and that is why Romney has been talking about Welfare Reform, to incite the racist hater wing of the Republican Party to go and vote for him, even though they prefer some one else. My racist brother likes Santorum. Doesn't like Romney much though.

BoBo the Clown,

"Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. The right and the left are both bigoted, hateful and racist."

I think you mistake disagreement for hatred. I do not hate Republicans, I just disagree with practically everything they stand for. But disagreement is not the same thing as hatred, not even vehement and vocal disagreement. I don't hate anyone. I wasn't brought up that way.

Mickey - i wasnt refering to you in particular, you havent said anything hateful. I was just refering to if it helps you sleep at night to think the right are monopolizing hate and bigotry - then go for it, but your only fooling yourself. The Left is just as guilty, it would seem you just dont want to see that from your view.

"The Left is just as guilty, it would seem you just dont want to see that from your view."

No, I don't disagree with you on that. There is plenty of hatred to go around. Hatred is one commodity we never seem to have a shortage of. The only thing I am saying is that you may be misinterpreting many of the posts on this blog as being expressions of hatred when they are not really. I agree that some of them might be truly hateful, but I don't think the majority are. Most of them I think are just vehement differences of opinion. Don't forget, BoBo, that this is a national election year. We are just a couple of months away from the election, and, as in any national election year, partisan feelings are running high right now, and people are just expressing their feelings and opinions about political matters. It doesn't mean they hate anyone even if sometimes it might sound like it. You see that the Republican comments on here are just as strident as the Democrat comments. That's why we have an old saying, "There are two things you should never argue about: politics and religion." But people do argue about those things all the times, and the arguments can become quite heated at times. But it's not the same as hatred. I think it's just what you would expect in a national election year.

Mickey - No, it was collapsed by libs that don't like to see their true profiles.

Colorado-Man,

"No, it was collapsed by libs that don't like to see their true profiles."

Oh my! Those "libs" are an evil bunch, aren't they? Always plotting and scheming how they can get you.

I guess we agree to disagree. A lot of people posting here i think are filled to the brim with hate, the vitrol from posts here and other posts... i cant see it any other way. And yes, as ive said since the first comment - both sides are oozing hate - which was why i felt the need to call people out on the right has all the hate comments.

BoBo,

"I guess we agree to disagree"

I don't disagree with you entirely. I didn't say there were no hate posts on here, only that I don't think most of them are. But it isn't just a matter of politics, either. Just look at any blog on Newsvine. People are constantly calling each other "idiots", "morons", and even much worse. Newsvine has a Code of Honor that says you are not supposed to insult another poster, but hardly anyone pays any attention to it. Although you can be suspended or even banned from Newsvine for violating the Code of Honor, most of those who do it do not get suspended. That happens only when someone reports them, but the majority go happily on their way calling each other the worst of names. I guess anonymity just brings out the worst in people. They figure they can just say anything they want because no one knows who they really are.

Mac...you just proved my point. You show fear by hurling slams and discussing no substance. Again the issue is the economy and Obama has failed. Can you actually defend his policy on the Economy? Do you have any specifics you would like to discuss about the speeches or speakers? I would think if you did that might have come up instead of the unintelligible drivel.

What did I learn from last night’s convention speeches? Not much. But my takeaway is, republicans want to go backwards. They yearn for the days of mid 20^th century, from the 50’s when the population was mainly white and women were in the home raising the family and not part of the workforce. Ann Romney, tried very hard to tell us she knows women….no she doesn’t. I learned she is every bit as inauthentic as her husband.. To many of the women of this country, she has no idea what struggles are and as much as she wants the American voter to love her husband, there is no love there. The crowd in the convention center were the most sedate I’ve ever seen, Mitt does not light their fire. Oh sure they applauded but like Queen Ann they too are phony in their support.

There was no talk about the future, no vision for the country, unless you want to go backwards…….their chief slogan emblazoned around the hall, ‘We Want to Take Our Country Back’, is true, back to a time of little or no regulations for clean food, clean water, back to a time of unregulated workplaces, with no safety standards, low wages for long hard working hours, jobs that had no benefits, no vacations, no sick time, but huge profits and no taxes for the corporate owners. Their plan is to go back to a time of back alley abortions, of no medical assistance for sick children and the elderly, with most people scratching to make a living of any substance. They want to throw away all that has been accomplished all that has made this country a standard bearer for the rest of the world just so their beliefs are intact and pushed on the rest of us. Well, no thanks.

What did I learn from last night’s convention speeches? Not much. But my takeaway is, republicans want to go backwards. They yearn for the days of mid 20^th century, from the 50’s when the population was mainly white and women were in the home raising the family and not part of the workforce. Ann Romney, tried very hard to tell us she knows women….no she doesn’t. I learned she is every bit as inauthentic as her husband.. To many of the women of this country, she has no idea what struggles are and as much as she wants the American voter to love her husband, there is no love there. The crowd in the convention center were the most sedate I’ve ever seen, Mitt does not light their fire. Oh sure they applauded but like Queen Ann they too are phony in their support.

There was no talk about the future, no vision for the country, unless you want to go backwards…….their chief slogan emblazoned around the hall, ‘We Want to Take Our Country Back’, is true, back to a time of little or no regulations for clean food, clean water, back to a time of unregulated workplaces, with no safety standards, low wages for long hard working hours, jobs that had no benefits, no vacations, no sick time, but huge profits and no taxes for the corporate owners. Their plan is to go back to a time of back alley abortions, of no medical assistance for sick children and the elderly, with most people scratching to make a living of any substance. They want to throw away all that has been accomplished all that has made this country a standard bearer for the rest of the world just so their beliefs are intact and pushed on the rest of us. Well, no thanks.

Sorry for the double post, gremlins are active...they need to go to Tampa!

‘We Want to Take Our Country Back’

I still want to know where "their" country went...

We want our country back, too. From the teabaggers. Since 2010, this country has ground to a halt thanks to the RWNJ infestation. We need to send these idiots back to wherever they came from and get them out of Washington.

The ACA eliminated bridge insurance.

It makes health insurance mean it covers everything. That increases the premium costs to a point businesses and people on individual plans can no longer afford them.

The ACA = the "Death Star".

Of course those two gave a "Mixed Message". You would too if your Candidate for "Outsourcer and Thief"was a Flip-flopping, "Etch-A-Scetch" Liar, Tax-Cheat, Destroyer of tens of thousands of American middle-class, Factory Worker's retirement Pension Funds, and you committed a possible Felony by trying to "RETIRE RETROACTIVELY" when you were still CEO of BAIN CAPITAL and still receiving MILLIONS of dollars of Salary that once was the RETIREMENT PENSION FUNDS of those hardworking AMERICANS.

How the hell do you watch those turds talk? Boil down the lies, so mere mortals can have some laughs. ☺

Obama/Biden 2012

Since 2010 the republicans have done their level best to stop the democrats from marching all over this nation. But that doesn't count half as much as the democrats stopping legislation from proceeding. How many bills are lying all over Harry Reid's table? How many times have republicans been accused of stopping the forward motion of this country when it's all on Harry Reid's table? The house approved how many jobs bills only to have them tied up and declared dead when reaching the Senate?

Oh... but liberals all agree it's the republicans fault.

I hope the republicans filibusterer every socialist bill the Senate comes up with. It's the only way to stop the forward movement of the democrats to take this country down.

On another note, it's real interesting how all these polls come out showing the favorability of Romney is down... these polls that have a 6-15% democrat oversampling. I hope the liberals buy it all, lock, stock and barrel. I want them to believe the polls because on November 6th, they will have the biggest surprise waiting for them... since they are buying into all the spoon fed crap they can swallow.

I watch the speech by Santorum. At first i was like, you know compared to Akin and now Smith (who compared a pregnancy resulting from rape as the same as having a child out of wedlock) Santorum is not that bad. And then he started talking about how he wants everyone in America to follow his family principals (rolling my eyes)... I miss the clown show of the republican primary.

But one thing I did notice is that Santorum was actually a good speaker even though i disagree with everything he said. The crowd was hanging on his every word, that is until he mentioned the president gutting the work requirement in welfare. The crowd gave no cheers and no applause when he delivered the line of attack. Maybe its because the delegates there are too smart to go for something everyone and their mother has concluded that the line of attack is false. Maybe now we can put this charge by republicans to rest and we can talk about other things like... Oh yeah, SHOW US YOUR TAX RETURNS!!

Maybe a little off topic, but. . .

If you are looking for "hope", there's none to be found here

http://www.gallup.com/poll/156959/gop-favorability-matches-2008-pre-convention-level.aspx

Lowest rating for democratic party in, well, ever.

Hey, NBC?

Your team is losing.

No wonder Harry Reid refuses to allow any votes on bills loaded with bigoted,Tea Banger Bullshxt.

How about the GOP Congress send bills to the Senate without all the backward extremist conservative ideology added to them??

How about Harry Reid does his job. Pass the bill to the appropriate committees, change the legislation they don't like, vote on the legislation and if it passes the Senate go into committee with the House and come up with a compromise bill that can then be voted on by both houses of congress.

Who made Harry Reid king?

So far the whole GOP affair has been disjointed. The division over Ron Paul's delegates, the mixed message from Ann Romney and Christie. Santorum hyping himself versus Romney.

I would say a resounding display of narcissism, and "it's all about me".

The lie-fest will continue today, more of the debunked Mediscare claim from Romney, and the out of context "I didn't build that" quote.

Do yourself a favor folks, take a moment and go to politifact.com and factcheck.org and look at the fact checks from last nights statements.

NOJO,

Thanks for the link.

but again you need to read the whole article:

"Both parties will use their conventions to excite their base voters with an eye toward turnout on Election Day, while they also attempt to broaden their appeal to independents and other swing groups. Currently, by 50% to 38%, more political independents view the Republican Party unfavorably than favorably, similar to the 49% vs. 37% unfavorable to favorable split among independents in 2008."

Isn't the whole rest of the campaign season is about appealing to the thin slice of independents who are still undecided?

Feisty,

"Taking the country back" is typical political speak by the party out of power, meaning they want to end your agenda and implement theirs. You must have missed that phrase being used at the 2008 Democrat convention over and over.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

‘We Want to Take Our Country Back’

I still want to know where "their" country went...

spirals down the toilet. thats where it is going. and you want to send it into hyperdrive by re-electing a total failure and liar. Good to go, way to be a patriot.

Can one of you explain why the USA needs to be 'Fundamentally' Changed. Why does wealth need to be spread (Lenin much)?

LimpIdiot - Do you know how legislation gets passed through the two houses? Each house creates their own version. They change the bills according to the way they see it to work. Then when there are two versions of the bill, they come together to sort it all out... the two houses have to approve one bill before it goes to the president for signature. How can a bill possibly be passed when the Senate won't even look at it? How do YOU know the bills were loaded with all sorts of other stuff? Do you have someone reading them before they head over to the Senate? My gosh Limpidiot, you have to be so completely void of any knowledge of how this country works its legislation that you find the need to spew just about anything to spread misinformation.

Just for your information, there's plenty of information on the internet to teach you how our government works... all you have to do is spend the time learning.

Limpwhatever said: You must be sooooo PROUD of the Tea Baggie Faggies

Is this adult discourse? What did you say your age was? 12?

do YOU know the bills were loaded with all sorts of other stuff?

Because you can look it up? Do people really know this little about government?

This is going to be fun today ! Brilliant speeches at the RNC gets a reaction like pouring gasoline down a rattlesnake hole .... all the liberals come slithering out, hissing, showing their fangs and looking to spread their venom ! Look HARD for a liberal comment today with substance ... you may not find one at all ! LOL !!

Here is the fact check from last night.

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/republican-retreads-from-tampa/

hey Xabie, you keep whining about Romney's plan and adding to the defict/debt. But what about Obama. Didnt he say he would cut the debt in half in his first term? So he hasnt done that yet you want to vote him in another 4? Seems like he is Bush and Bush was bad. Guess what that makes Obama since he can't outshine his predecessor

Didnt he say he would cut the debt in half in his first term? So he hasnt done that yet you want to vote him in another 4?

Actually, according to BO's website and census data, if all of Obama's proposals of tax increases and spending cuts were enacted the deficit would be lowered by about $200B.

and yet it's not. SO what happened Xabie. The guy got OBamacare through but couldnt do the debt thingy. priorities i suppose

Limpballs said: The poor Tea Tards and their Republican Masters...they just HATE it when the Dems use the same playbook and play rough!!!

How about you play like toddlers? You call what you write rough? I call it totally immature and very sophomoric. You can't post anything without name calling and immature language. I take it back... 12 is too old for you... let's revert it to 8.

Xabre said: Actually, according to BO's website and census data, if all of Obama's proposals of tax increases and spending cuts were enacted the deficit would be lowered by about $200B.

I guess you never heard him say this before, did you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJvkkNmR_8

Kind of hard to spin it when it's coming right from Obama's mouth, eh?

I'm sure you will find some sort of an excuse for Obama... liberals are famous for that!

and yet it's not. SO what happened Xabie. The guy got OBamacare through but couldnt do the debt thingy. priorities i suppose

It's called the Legislative Branch, or the House to be more specific. You know, the ones shooting down anything he has proposed after 2010.

you mean 06-10 democrat controlled house and senate? so after 2010 (two years into office) Obama couldnt do anything. Poor xabie, this aint your day.

CA - this has been discussed numerous times but clearly your reading comprehension is in the toilet. Let's do it again.

President Obama had a filibuster proof majority for a short 7 months - during which time Ted Kennedy was ill so he didn't vote and there were numerous recesses, so actually more like 4 months. The President at that time, not knowing the Republicans in Congress had taken a vow to obstruct anything he wanted to do, tried to work with the GOP on issues - to no avail.

After that time, the GOP used the filibuster more than any time in history to keep things from being done.

NOW do you understand????? Probably not!

Obama/Biden 2012

I have to say. When the Tea party first came into being, I kinda liked what i was hearing. It was straight, forward and to the point, and they didn't support Rep's' or Dem's. It sounded like they supported America. They seemed to have some integrity. Like a lot of us, they seemed to see that Unions had got out of control, They saw the need to regulate but not over regulate. I would have got behind this movement. Then Out of the blue comes Dick Army, with load of money from none other then the Koch Brothers and others like them. Good old Dick, Hi jacked the Tea party, it was a hostel take over. The founders didn't stand a chance against all that money. The Tea party was lost forever. What a shame. Maybe if this country could use a real Tea party. A party that puts America and Americans first for a change. A party that would make it illegible for Lobbies t to buy off the people we elected. Then maybe we could have a real America again. Maybe we could have a Representative Government again like it was intended to be. Right now all we have a the Rich being represented, Or large groups like unions or NRA, AARP. Everything but the people themselves, We the people have no one representing us anymore. Its all about money. Sure they want our votes, but what is in it for "WE THE PEOPLE"? The Tea party had a good idle but money got in the way. The Koch brothers got in the way again. They keep us fighting with each other and they do what ever they want, because no one is watching. Think about the Natives in America. They were always at war with one another, They never could get to gather for the greater good of there race. We Americans need to get to gather for the greater good of our country. And the Greater good for our country is we come together as a nation. Not as Rep's or Dem's. Not as African Americans, Asian, Korean, German, French, Dutch, Spanish or any others. Just Americans. If you want to be American, Then be Just American. Time to stop all the Crap, And stand together, and fix this great country we call home. Time to get off Oil, Go all in on renewal energy. Save our oil reserves for other things. That will stop the need for wars. We need to be spending that money rebuilding our country, not rebuilding other country. All that money going to rebuild Iraq and our country is falling apart. Bridges fulling down, Yet no money for that. We can't take care of our own people but plenty of money for aid to country's that hate us and use that money to kill us. Money for aid to Israel. They don't need our money. Funny thing is we don't help the people that really need the help. When it comes to really helping people we have tunnel vision. We think we can buy friendship. We never seem to learn. If we really want our country back, we have to stop fitting with each other and take the fight to where it needs to be fought. Fight to stop lobbing, Stop the buying off of the people we elect. Get to where we the people are represented again. Then and only then will this Country be Great again.

you mean 06-10 democrat controlled house and senate? so after 2010 (two years into office) Obama couldnt do anything. Poor xabie, this aint your day.

The Senate then wasn't filibuster-proof. Of course, you knew that.

seeking so the minority, the repubs, have more power than the majority (dems) and the president. pretty weak leadership in the demo party. but seeking tell me the story again how obama became rich while writing books as president LOL. You know i liked you better when i was on ignore.

bottomline kids, democrats and their agenda stink and have weak leadership. Seeking and Xabie both admit to it.

Ann Romney really did not say anything that I did not expect to hear from her, she basically gave the "good and dutiful wife" speech. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it just was not the masterpiece some are trying to make it. One of her goals was to connect with women voters. She didn't come close to reaching this particular female voter. At the end of the day, I really feel that the GOP ticket has zero respect for a woman's right to make their own decisions with regard to reproductive issues and there is just no way in hell women will vote for those who want to regress that issue. Christie was a little better with his speech but he was more than a little unfocused. I generally think of him as someone who has little respect for anyone questioning his decisions or authority. I definitely saw some of that in his speech. This is a person that does not seem to believe in effectively working with others who may not share his viewpoint(s). While I certainly do not agree with some of the things Obama has done, I will certainly cast my vote for him. For me, Romney/Ryan does nothing for me as a female voter, nor as someone who has healthcare concerns for myself and other immediate family members. I've heard nothing from Romney or Ryan or those speaking on their behalf, that makes me want to vote for them.

Great link Eric!! But facts are hard to read. Even when the fact checkers have materials to back up what they write, the truth does not matter. $hit, it doesnt even matter that the CBO shreds the republican talking points on their two budget proposals (Romney's and Ryan's) the republican voter's blind hatred of the president would not allow them to see the truth. Even when its supported and staring them in the face!

How come MSNBC didn't broadcast the Mia Love Speech?

well here it is http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-house-candidate-mia-love-impresses-rnc-crowd-with-fiery-speech/

1) Coordinated effort to suppress the minority vote

2) Coordinated effort to stop the economy in its tracks

3) Coordinated effort to oppose President Obama on EVERYTHING PERIOD. NO COMPROMISE PERIOD.

4) Coordinated effort to call President Obama every dirty word in the book so the only word left would be N=IGER!

5) Blame every unfunded dollar bush spent on President Obama (2 Wars, 2 Tax Cuts, Medicare Part D)

6) Blame the Collapse of Wall Street and the Housing Market as well as BANK GREED on President Obama.

7) Claim President Obama is not a leader - But he is currently the sitting President

8) Claim he is from Africa just like the slaves they brought to the United States.

9) Claim there is negative job growth although we have positive job growth.

10) Claim the poor get to many handouts but Corporation and Oil hand out are better for job growth.

Bottom Line: LIE your way to power without telling us what you will do, while hiding your tax returns.

If this was the first time attedning this whole Republican convention up close, I would run like hell...

It looked like a conglomeration of Hill Billies, Mountain men, trailler trash, Rednecks and crawling critters about to take a dip on one of those mud puddle competitions...you could count the number of teeth without a margin of error...

I don't think it can be repeated often enough. The Bush/Cheney years the GOP is totally ashamed of to the extent most that were in leadership positions were not even invited to the convention, was the worst thing that has happened to America in my lifetime exceeding eight decades.

There are no Conservatives. The last truly Conservative President was Eisenhower. Reagan was an actor playing a part that he did better than any movie he was in.

Get this straight: Without regulation on the de facto governing entities, the Banks, Big Parma, Military Industrial Complex, the Health Care providers, Big Oil that is not really an American entity, they are Internationalists, etc. this nation will go all the way to Totalitarianism.

We can pick on all the warts Obama and the Democrats have and they still will be in favor of Americans over international control of our future.

I heard so much Bull Sh*t at that convention than we are expected to believe. Let me ask any on this blog. What exactly do you see as the Right Wing plan that will be good for average Americans? More tax cuts for the un-needy? More military hardware that is left in the hands of our enemies that they will use it against us, but does put our wasted bucks in the pockets of the likes of Halliburton? How about a sham health care deal that will not save enough lives or bring comfort to the aged but again will put our treasure in the hands of greedy bastards? Does it seem reasonable that drugs we ship to Canada that are retailed at lower prices there but are illegal for us to buy except here where they stick it to us? Are you happy to pay fifty bucks for an aspirin at most hospitals? Is everyone OK with bankers gambling with our money and if they win or lose they make it big while we have to cover the losses? Who exactly do the stupid trade deals we make help? Not the general population of America.

Do I make my point? I'm not saying that Democrats are free of such things. What I am saying is they are the only party that gives us the ability to make the country better through voting by every citizen or are you satisfied with voter suppression, the only actual voter fraud as there is almost no voter impersonation detected anywhere?

My first vote for president went to a Republican that was a genuine Conservative patriot that actually cared about all of us, Dwight Eisenhower. What we have now is the Tea Party tail wagging the dog that passes for actual Republicanism .... but they are a gang of liars.

I voted for Reagan for his first term, then I learned what a hoax the "Voodoo Economics" the Trickle Down Theory was and have never voted for the Right Wing again.

I agree it may take a bit of holding one's nose to vote for the Democrats but they have the only path out of the coming Totalitarianism. I should remind us that it was the Blue Nose Democrats that screwed us when the party had the numerical advantage that kept the Obama administration from doing much of what was promised. We do need to nominate people other than those that are fake democrats.

When some say people like Romney are out of touch, I disagree. They know exactly what they are doing and they get away with it because they are definitely in touch with their greed.

I'm at the time in my life when I can see the light at the end of the tunnel moving towards me. If there is one failing that holds us back the most to do with human nature, it is the inability most have to see beyond their own lifetimes. If we do think of the future, then we can all be Founding Mothers and Fathers.

gm @ 2.3 -- very democrat of you to blame someone / something for your double post. don't suppose simply apologizing for your mistake would be appropriate.

Right on, all the way!

I don't belong to any party and try to vote the issues, but when the economic issues are clouded with rules, from on high, regarding Americans' personal choices in their own lives it becomes impossible to separate the two.

It is incomprehensible how so many, otherwise reasonable people, can ignore the truly invasive social policies touted by the GOP party and expect voters to allow oligarchic "leaders" to rerun failed economic ideals again. It does smack of hypocrisy when Republicans talk the talk about small government but push hardline social policies that will require real money to enforce. Is this their jobs program; hire new people to watch who you sleep with, how you worship and how many babies you have? What will happen when they cut all the "unnecessary" social programs after slashing government jobs? Will the sick and elderly be reabsorbed like Akin's "legitimately raped" fetuses or will we just let them die?

I have no love for some of what Obama has done but at least he cares about this country. Socialism is better than nazism if you ask me. Please keep your politics out of my life, my family, my health, my religion and my choices. Even if you do not like Obamacare, you are a fool if you think that Ryan's plan will work. Everyone will not use the money wisely and those that don't will still need health care. I would prefer that they paid their fair share.

Obama/Biden 2012

As I watched her speak I just kept thinking...

• Amy Poehler is going to have as much fun on SNL doing Ann Romney, as Tina Fey had doing Sarah Palin.

I can see an Ann Romney (Poehler) vs. Sarah Palin (Fey) skit coming out of this that should be absolutely hilarious!

How can SNL lose which such great and talented comediennes doing such hugely comical figures as Ann Romney and Sarah Palin? They both do that double-finger-pointing thing! ROTFLMAO!!!

Mushy No-Balls: Would that be the same bills that the GOP/Tea Scum Congress has sent to the Senate loaded with amendments for birth control legislation, abortion, person-hood, making gays criminals....the repeal of Obama care 33 times...medicare cuts...food stamp cuts..unemployment benefit cuts....and more tax cuts for the wealthy???

No wonder Harry Reid refuses to allow any votes on bills loaded with bigoted,Tea Banger Bullshxt.

Reid still has a majority in the Senate. Is he afraid that his party also supports those issues so they will pass if they go to vote? Otherwise, why does he care? Oh yeah, all the Senate Democrats would get voted out when they vote against the things that the electorate wants.

You can see that she is family oriented

That must be GOP slang for "stuck in the kitchen".

JoAnne, I do not know if it will help to elevate your value to society, but will you marry me?

PS: Where was the message of hope last night? What vision does the GNOP have moving ahead?

Shared Sacrifice and Principled Compromise. That gives us the hope that we will not leave our children with our debt.

Shared Sacrifice and Principled Compromise. That gives us the hope that we will not leave our children with our debt.

Principled compromise: codewords for "no new taxes".

The only person being told he had "no value" last night was Artur Davis- it was implicit in NBC's not bothering to air his speech. Too bad those of you tuning to this network missed it- he gave an eloquent speech that was a path to health for those still caught in the web of the cult.

I'm supposing that NBC didn't air it because Davis is the former co-chair of Obama's 2008 campaign. Why?

Because I don't see every decision as racist, that's why.

Some do.

69 days left before the election, and Wrongme still doesn't have a plan. If he does, you don't need to know it, just like you are not allowed to see his finances. He seriously does not expect to get a blank check, or does he?

JoAnne---it was kind of like watching an alternate universe, wasn't it? I just can't imagine how Ann Romney, who seems never to have had even a part-time job, expects working women juggling a job (with pay at 77% of what men make), kids, older parents and managing a home to relate to her. Red is a good color for her, though.

He seriously does not expect to get a blank check, or does he?

Of course he does. That's why his current proposals would increase the deficit.

Whose Romney? Don't look now, but according to the latest Washington Post poll Romney is now leading Obama 47% to 46%. Gee, I wonder what the numbers will be when you folks learn who he is? The people of this country won't be fooled a second time by Obama.

Mitt has now passed Obama. He won't look back.

Alternate universe?

When democrats spin the number of employed going DOWN 195,000 as "good news" because the number of jobs created was 163,000-that's an alternate universe.

When democrats spin GDP growth at 1.7% as great growth- that's an alternate universe.

When almost $6 trillion added to the debt in three years is better than $4 trillion added in eight- that's an alternate universe.

When the unemployment rate is artificially deflated by kicking millions out of the civilian labor force- which is down to 1981 levels- that's an alternate universe.

When pointing out facts is labeled racist- when economic statistics have nothing whatsoever to do with race- that's not just an alternate universe, that's bizarro land.

When those still left supporting Obama whine that the GOP did not talk about the ephemeral "hope"- that's delusional.

NBC should, really, have broadcast Davis' speech. You'd all have learned something- and might actually have some hope for your own, personal, recoveries.

nojoe -

I saw ALL of Artur Davis's speech - and I don't have cable. Of course, if the GOP continues down the road to cut funding for PBS, I'll probably miss the next one too. And you know as well as everyone else on here that it wasn't just NBC - none of the other networks carried anything before 10:00pm, which means they missed a whole slew of other speeches too. It's called "ratings", and they'll do the exact same thing to the Democrats next week.

@Blackcatwhitecat - Aww, now I'm blushing. I'll accept on one condition - can we honeymoon in Alaska and the Yukon? It's been way too long since my last trip..... :)

@nojo: When cutting taxes closes the budget deficit, that's an alternate universe.

JoAnne, big smile, terrific observations. #2 is the same take-away thought I had from Ann's speech.

Starderup - Wrongme still doesn't have a plan. If he does, you don't need to know it,

Kind of like the ACA huh? "We have to pass it so you can see what's in it". And Obama was right on board with Scissorfingers Botox (my pet name for Pelosi) on it. They could have no analysis prior to the passing.

joe#'s, and another poll had President Obama leading by one. President Obama leads Romney in likability 61% to 27%; in addition, Obama has a huge lead regarding who will help ordinary working people more--6 in 10 (60%) believe Romney's policies will help the rich meaning 60% believe Obama's will help the other 99%. Believe it or not, those numbers are more revealing than any head-to-head poll because those issues are what voters consider when they actually vote.

Kind of like the ACA huh? "We have to pass it so you can see what's in it". And Obama was right on board with Scissorfingers Botox (my pet name for Pelosi) on it. They could have no analysis prior to the passing.

Yeah, and it's passage has been so bad for us, right? Getting people insured and placing reforms so that, for example, policyholders cannot be dropped when they get sick is such a bad thing, right?

"principled compromise"....... I didn't know that "principled" was a synonym for "NO".

So far the whole GOP affair has been disjointed. The division over Ron Paul's delegates, the mixed message from Ann Romney and Christie. Santorum hyping himself versus Romney.

I would say a resounding display of narcissism, and "it's all about me".

The lie-fest will continue today, more of the debunked Mediscare claim from Romney, and the out of context "I didn't build that" quote.

Do yourself a favor folks, take a moment and go to politifact.com and factcheck.org and look at the fact checks from last nights statements.

"You people" know everything you're ever going to know about Romney's plan. Ryan's Tea Party sends their orders to the oval office and Romney rubber stamps them. King Romney and Queen Ann then stand on the balcony to the roar of admiration from their loyal subjects without a clue of what they just approved. Everything will be just fine. Trust me.

As for Arthur Davis, who cares and who knows why he agreed to speak other than for his own political gain. Since 2004, the GOP has produced a democrat at their convention. The democrats could do the same thing but they don't feel the need to play that silly game of see, see, we got one from the other side to play Benedict Arnold and that proves ????.

It's a two-way street, Charlie Christ endorsed President Obama recently; in 2008, Colin Powell endorsed President Obama. No doubt there are other lesser known republicans who do not like the far right turn of their party.

Damage123: "Ahhhh, quit your crying Joanne. We all know that, to you people, a woman isn't a real woman unless she's had an abortion or two."

Stereotype much, Damage? As I said, I never had kids. I've never been pregnant, and now at age 60 and having had a hysterectomy in my 40's, I'm reasonably sure I never will. But if I had ever been, I am morally certain I would not have been able to have an abortion. I'd have totally sucked as a parent, too - but there are plenty of people out there who would be awesome at it who can't have kids of their own. So I'd have opted for having the baby and giving it up for adoption - possibly even in the case of rape or incest, though thankfully I never had to come even close to having to make that decision.

But the point is, if I had, it would have been MY decision - not yours. And certainly not the government's. You know.....big government = BAD, right? You know, in my 60 years on this earth, I have yet to meet a single person who is actually PRO abortion. But you go ahead and pretend there are if it makes you feel better......

@Blackcatwhitecat - Aww, now I'm blushing. I'll accept on one condition - can we honeymoon in Alaska and the Yukon? It's been way too long since my last trip..... :)

Sure, we can watch the Arctic Ocean melt and play a prank or two at Sarah's house.

Psst, JoAnne,

not one of them bragged about how much stimulus money they took. Nor did they BRAG about how many government jobs they cut, teachers they cut nor other middle class victims of their arcane 'policies'.

oh, and I found it GLARINGLY telling that Christie mentioned Breyers Ice Cream; but never thanked Cory Booker or Mark Zuckerberg for THEIR part in helping him cut the Education Budget. yeah, you can buy a lot of ice cream with a 100 MILLION dollars.

also, too, do you think Ice Cream was the feel good moment? Cuz' I didn't see much hope or happiness,...just a LOT Of dope! Aren't they anti drug?

Jody, you may have spoken too soon,...just hearing that Charlie Crist HAS been asked to speak at the Dem Convention; but that's okay. I rather like hearing what he has to say about how he was driven from the Republican party. I can RELATE to that message.

JoAnne - I'm glad you were able to sit through all that BS without geting sick. Very sorry you did not learn very much, but you had to know ahead of time that nothing was going to be said about Mitten's plan for this country. He HAS NO PLANS! He is a rich guy who wants to buy the Oval office and pretend to be somebody important. I'm guessing it is because he is trying to over-compensate for being hung like a Ken Doll with less personality.

If we cannot have Ron Paul, I would vote for Obama because Michelle is the hottest first lady we have ever had and one who can relate to working women everywhere. Nothing against Anne Romney, she looks good for a cougar and probably needs a good munch from me just to know what an O feels like at least once in her life, but Michelle is smoking hot with a body to die for and brains to match.

Two things to keep in mind when voting:

1. Is the man with his hand on the button getting any?

2. And just how good is the tail that keeps him content?

PS sorry you never married, but most married women are sorry they gave up their single life.

Here is the fact check from last night.

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/republican-retreads-from-tampa/

@Damage123, although you were addressing Jo Ann, I just wanted to say that it seems it would be in the GOP's best interest to not bring up the subject of abortion or rape or both subjects together. If you haven't noticed, those topics have been kicking some GOP a$$es lately. And yet, they keep harping on the subject(s). This is but one more reason why Romney/Ryan goes the way of McCain/Palin. On another note, I missed Santorum's speech so I guess I can be thankful for small favors. I am originally from PA and well remember his antics. I'm surprised he ever became a presidential candidate. Not surprised he didn't become the GOP's nominee. I'm sure he'll try again in 2016, Christie will probably throw his hat in the ring then too. Another non-win presidential race for the GOP!

"Principled compromise" was offered by the Democrats in the Grand Bargain. The Republicans walked away from it. Further, the Republican candidates when asked about during the primary all said that they would refuse to compromise and accept the offer even if it was 10 dollars in spending cuts for every one dollar in increased revenue.

The Republicans had a chance to help reduce the deficit by 4 trillion and they walked away. That was neither "principled" nor "compromise."

I love how people take 1 poll and pawn it off as the deciding factor just because it happens to agree with what they want it to say.

Anyone who looks at polls and believes them has a lot to learn. Look at Wisconsin's recall election where it was neck and neck on election day and in the end Walker won very easily. The same will happen with the presidential election, the polls show it close and at the end of the day Obama will win in a landslide. The GOP knows this, expects this and wants this because they never wanted Mitt, and don't like him, they are currently using this election as a means to pave the way for one of their "rising stars" like Ryan or Walker to run in 2016.

Talk to the Hand: "We have to pass it so you can see what's in it".

As long as you keep misquoting the statement AND taking it out of context, you will continue to marginalize everything else you might say.

Damage, it is your house and it is one big mess. I can only guess you have lived in it for too long and you no longer see it. As to less Black people voting for Hussein, those that do not will not be voting for Willy.

BCWC,

Besides Romney's five sons where were all the young people?

Whatever Catman-doo- They won't be voting for Sait Barack though, will they? That says a lot. Black unemployment is at it's highest in decades under Obama. Millions of Black liberals expected Hussein to start handing out the goodies and free stuff when he came into office. Didn't happen for the most part. Plus, he's in favor of Gay Marriage. Black folks aren't, mostly.

Northstar, I expect many of the young that might have attended were Ron Paul supporters and they were mightily pissed off by lunch time.

BCWC--interesting observations. Seems to me that the GOP had the chance in 2008 to look into the future and see the demographic changes in our society and position themselves to win over younger people, Latinos and African-Americans. Instead, they chose the path of obstructionism of the economic recovery and voter suppression. I truly hope it doesn't work for them.

Damage, let's wait and see how the ground game unfolds as voting begins. You might be unpleasantly surprised at what Dems are able to unleash even though Acorn was falsely put to rest.

In a recent poll, Romney received zero percent of the African-American vote. Zero.

I will keep posting this until I get an answeer. Are you sure Republicans are Racist?

Shame on you NBC.

One of the best speeches coming form Arthur Davis and you do not televise entirely.

You NBC are the biggest Racist of all. You do not walk the talk. Is it because he was a black American that spoke at the DNC in 2008 as a Democrat and now he has joined the Republicans.

Yes the Republicans that you call Racist. I was watching you while my husband was looking at other channels.

Shame on You, and those in this FR that spew hatred and lies.

Excuse me, Strong? These two's Speeches of the Wife of Corporate Raider Willard "Tax Cheat" Romney, and Governor Christie were very WEAK!!!

Oh, pardon me, I forgot, Comcast-NBC is now more to the Right than Fox Noise. Sorry my mistake.

And thats my Commentary and opinion.

89% of republicans are white, only 11% are minorities. In a country where the demographics are shifting toward a minority majority, where will the GOP be in 10 years if they do not become more inclusive? Right now, conservatives bash minorities, bash blacks, bash Hispanics, bash gays, bash Muslims, bash the poor, bash women, bash anyone who does look like them or share, think like them or share their religious beliefs. The GOP has become the symbol of intolerance, hatred of others and anger that their country no longer looks like them. They want "to take our country back" exemplifies that inability to accept the change and an unwillingness to even try. That's a party in decline.

The only thin weaker Magnum is your post. You call Romney a tax cheat but cannot prove it.

Your mistake is posting something of NO VALUE.

Here is the fact check from last night.

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/republican-retreads-from-tampa/

You people continue to lie about the racial mix in the Republican party. Go to any Republican state convention in TX and you will be impressed by the large hispanic involvment. It's great, it's really happening, and you can't lie it away. Responsible people, from all races, appear to be seeing a better alternative in the GOP these days. Lie if you want, but it does not change the facts.

Don't forget Jody- Blacks don't like Hispanics. Hispanics don't like Blacks. Neither like homos. Muslims hate everybody whose not muslim (especially Jews). Liberals hate Catholics (which most Hispanics are). Liberals hate White males (who still make up a large part of the pop.) Good luck holding THAT "big tent" together. Hispanics will gradually move rightward as the hardworking ones start successful businesses and get sick of the lefties contempt for them. They are also family-oriented which doesn't go over big in the Dem party. The ones that came here to loaf and live off the government will join the Blacks and White trash who have been doing so for years, in the "Big Dem Tent."

Oh, and single, unwed mothers are voting more and more for the Dems mainly because there are so many MORE single, unwed mothers than there used to be. They need handouts. So you should feel good about capturing the Slutty Leach demographic for the future.

Northstar - Read my first post. You and I had the same observation. There was an absolute dearth of young people. I think that really says it all about the Republican party. They can't survive when the don't attract the young - and they don't.

Damage - with every post you show that you are more damaged, daily.

Obama/Biden 2012

Damage123

unwed mothers ... the Slutty Leach demographic

Way to define yourself Damage ... you are what are eh fella ... a Pig. Blame and call the sex that gets pregnant names, excellent choice.

@Seeking, you will find none in Damage's direction.

PS do not collapse Damage's comments, they shed light on what he is.

Jim....you can't prove he he isn't a Tax Cheat, Felon. But we all know He is a liar and is Hiding behind "Annie's"skirt" along with hiding his money in Foreign acct. (whats he got Against American Acct.?) He also is trying to Hide the fact he may have Not paid the Full Tithe to the LDS church. That's the story here in Utah...Land of Zion. Oh and "poor little Annie" she Had to Raise Five boys (with full time nanny help) and be a good little homemaker ( just like the church wants woman to do) with the help of Maids ( I wonder if they were Legal) As a long time Republican Mormon Woman, I would Not vote for any of the woman-hating, uncaring, liars that now make up the GOP...SAD. The Teaparty is Hell Bent on Destroying this Country.

Prays you should keep praying, your intolerance is showing.

@praysalot

Just by you saying he - Robbme is not a tax cheat but prove it. Tells you YES THE HELL HE IS. STUPID!

By all account Robbeme is disqualified for REFUSING to show he tax returns PERIOD! End of Story.

Since Romney Sr. Every President has shown his tax returns. Hint: I would never show mine if I had something to hide.

Is that all you got ? Lord forbid you clowns should ever be on a jury.

Beautifully written and an important message IR. If Ann Romney had a soul, if her husband was capable of seeing anything but his own desire to buy the next bright shiny toy, the White House, they would support the ACA. As it is, Romney is posturing to the WORST in our society, the fringe right wing neanderthals that have taken over the Republican Party.

But I am sure that both Romneys sit in church of a Sunday, hypocrites both.

ALL OF YOU CONSIDERING VOTING FOR ROMNEY NEED TO STUDY WHAT IR HAS WRITTEN, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT.

Hugs to you and your lovely bride, IR. Blessings to you both.

Breathtaking Floyd, simple breathtaking...

Like Queen Annie has ever walked a day in Miss Elly's shoes...

PS: What has the pampered princess ever done on behalf of MS sufferers anywhere?

Ir,

Thank you for your heartfelt, informative post.

Your love and care for you wife and support to all those who suffer from MS cuts though the politcal rhetoric.

God bless you and your family.

Why don't you look up what she's "done for MS sufferers", Feisty Dumb@!$%#? Or are you scared you'll find that she's donated millions of $$$, uncounted amounts of time etc...?

It's easy for simple-minded female dogs like you to sit here and spew about things you know nothing about, so why don't you take a couple minutes to check it out? C'mon. It's not like you're BUSY, right?

*****Standing ovation*****

Uncle Redneck, having met your beautiful bride of 30 years in person, I can attest to her courage, her good humor and to the fact that she, like so many others, is actually fighting the battle that Ann Romney has barely skirmished with. I've never had to deal with MS, but I was once diagnosed with breast cancer - had my first surgery 15 years ago this week, in fact - just a couple years after my mother had hers. But I can still remember about six months later having someone learn about my issue and reverently tell me "Ohhh.....so you're a SURVIVOR".

Well.....I don't know.....maybe.....sort of.....I guess? I just never thought of it that way. I've survived so many worse things in my life that my brush with cancer was like a walk in the park. I didn't need a mastectomy. I didn't need to undergo chemotherapy. I missed maybe a week or so of work for my two lumpectomy and lymph node procedures. I was able to go to the six weeks of radiation on my lunch hour every day - and with my insurance at the time, I paid ONE small co-pay the day I got my tattoo and then never paid another dime for the next ten years of follow-up visits. I never had a single side effect from either the tamoxifen or the Femara I took. And 15 years later, about the only time I even think of breast cancer is when I go for my yearly mammogram.

So for me to compare my little skirmish and my extraordinary good fortune with that of someone like our friend Phinephancy - or anyone else who really HAS fought a courageous battle - would be totally ludicrous.

I wish neither MS nor cancer nor any other illness on anyone in the world. But to whom much is given, much is expected, right? If Ann Romney wants to talk about her MS and her cancer, that's great - but being honest about how blessed she has been to escape what so many others have to deal with every single day would be even greater.

Hugs to both you and your beautiful bride. Having MS doesn't make her a saint. Being married to you for 30 years, though.....well that's another story! Cheers to you for saying what you needed to say.

IR, soulfully written my friend.

I don't believe it would be out of turn to ask Willard or Queen Ann, if Miss Elly, the love of your life, could have some of what the Queen of Hearts takes to give her sparkle and a bounce in her gait.....perhaps its the Botox, I hear it has some miracle properties and fixes things it wasn't originally intended to do. It sure is working for Annie.

Now you've done it, IR----tears can't be good for my keyboard, although they are good for my heart.

If Mitt is elected and oversees the repeal of "ObamaCare" (which was based on "RomneyCare"), folks with pre-existing conditions like MS will have even more issues to deal with should they lose their insurance coverage. And how much treatment will be available to someone with a voucher to buy basic Medicare coverage, as Romney/Ryan want to change it to?

Thanks for sharing your story---***hugs to you & Miss Elly***

Thank you for your post, it is a tearjerker. God bless

Obama/Biden 2012

Feisty,

Libs have a problem. You see and hear hate in everything. What I heard last night was real hope and change for the country instead of four more years of stagnation in job growth. You may disagree with it, but there was no hate. BTW, there are 57 states.

My thoughts (and my Mrs.') and support are with you....Keep up the good fight and know you are doing right!

GNOP = Back to the Past

Yep, no magical thinking in Road Warrior's post. By the way " I like to fire people" Mitt Romney.

BTW, there are 57 states.

There are 57 states and territories. Edit out the "and territories" and the person looks like an idiot.

And territories was never edited out. Nor said.

Feisty,

Even I have to call you out on that one. Mrs. Romney's MS is off limits.