GOP approves delegate rule changes over vocal objections

TAMPA, Fla. -- Republican leaders pushed through contentious changes to delegate rules over the objection of conservatives and supporters of Texas Rep. Ron Paul.

Loud boos erupted Tuesday on the floor of the Republican National Convention as RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, ruled that a voice vote was sufficient to approve credentialing rules for delegates at future conventions.

Shannon Stapleton / Reuters

Delegates shout in protest over changes in Republican party rules that would restrict the impact of grassroots movements, before a vote to adopt the new rules during the second session of the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida, August 28, 2012.

Chants that sounded like "Seat them now!" did battle with chants of "U-S-A" from supportive delegates seeking to shout the protestors down.

The rules change essentially tightens party control over the manner in which delegates are allocated and bound to candidates.

A delegate rule change by RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and House Speaker John Boehner was approved despite the vocal objections of conservatives and supporters of Texas Rep. Ron Paul at the Republican National Convention.

The proposal prompted frustration from some supporters of Paul, whose campaign was able to appeal to the somewhat arcane rules of delegate allocation to win a majority of four states' delegations, despite having failed to win a single nominating contest.

Other conservatives -- including 2008 vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin -- had protested the move as a power play to shut out grassroots conservatives.

As Priebus and Boehner brought up the controversial rules change for a voice vote, supporters replied with loud "ayes," and almost equally vocal "noes."

When Boehner determined, in his capacity as the convention's permanent chairman, that the ayes had won it, cheers and boos mixed together in the convention hall.

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Well, aren't they off to a stellar start! lol

In typical GNOP fashion... if you can't beat em... cheat em...!

These creeps ride roughshod over their own party, imagine what they would do if elected?

It is however, delicious watching them feast on their own!

  • 138 votes
#1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

Clearly off to a promising start!

  • 52 votes
#1.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

Yeah Feisty. We have that experience here in Michigan too. Repubs are supposed to be able to pass things under a voice vote only with a 2/3rd majority, but here the repub chair, who may be up on corruption charges, just shout over the Democrats and gavels the vote closed.

Repubs seem to be treating Tea Bagger Party people and Ron Paul supporters in the same way.

Nice.

  • 97 votes
#1.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

We have that experience here in Michigan too.

GOP,

Don't forget giving women a "time out" from the House floor for uttering the word "vagina"...

@Ursula - I see we had the same thought! lol

  • 85 votes
#1.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

Oh yeah!!! She was put in detention for uttering the "Vah-jay-jay" word!! I thought they were going to put her in the stocks for that one because that is the medieval time frame to where we appear headed here in Michigan. They were probably going to have her wear sack cloth with a scarlet letter on it.

Fortunately they just settled for dismissing her and ordering her to avert her eyes as a confirmation of masculine authority.

She got off lucky.

  • 63 votes
#1.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

It's no longer Robert's Rules of Order....

now it's Romney's Rules of Order!

He who has the gold makes the rules.

Talk about foreshadowing!!!

Rombot.Has.Nothing.

  • 90 votes
#1.5 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:06 PM EDT
Comment author avatarBob in Virginia-5210392Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Michigan, the "solid Obama " state...NOT..now a dead even tie in the polls...

And the GOP US Senate candidate, once left for dead, is now ahead by a point in a recent poll...

The phony "I saved the auto industry" line obviously isnt working for Obama in Michigan...

  • 18 votes
#1.6 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

Bob,

The RCP average of polls shows that our President has a 2.0 point lead in Michigan – Romney’s home state. He also leads in 8 of the 11 tossup states and the only state to move into the “Tossup” category recently was Missouri from Lean Romney.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/mi/michigan_romney_vs_obama-1811.html

  • 60 votes
#1.7 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

Boyoboy! The next couple of days is going to be fun to watch! Let's see, we're going to have a bunch of old fat white guys try to retain power while catering to Ron Paul Libertarians, Grover Norquist, the NRA, White Supremacists, the Christian Right, Anti-abortionists, the tea-party, AND Sarah Palin. Then on Friday or whenever the shooting stops, they'll all come together for a "We love Mitt" songfest and pledge to support him come hell or high water. What a sick joke this party has turned into!

  • 90 votes
#1.8 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

Ron Paul should run for President under a third party and steal away all the Tea Party votes. Think the contest would be even close after that?

  • 79 votes
#1.9 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

No wonder the Republicans are always passing voter fraud laws---they do it themselves all the time and figure everyone else does, too---despite all evidence to the contrary.

Clearly they are looking ahead to 2016 and trying to figure out how they can get the Tea Party people to shut up and vote for whatever candidate the establishment/1% tells them to.

  • 78 votes
#1.10 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

"Can't we all just GET ALONG???"

  • 9 votes
#1.11 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

The phony "I saved the auto industry" line obviously isnt working for Obama in Michigan

Works for me Bob. I (still) work for Chrysler thanks to Barack Hussein Obama. No version of reality can help you parse or warp that fact right there. You're "bleeped*! You,...and the ideology you rode in on.

Comes right down to it I don't think repubs here will be swarming the polls to vote for "Rob-Me".

Mitt in Michigan: "Hey,....I destroyed the jobs of thousands of people just like you, stole their pensions and moved my profits overseas to make you shoulder my tax burden;......now be a good sport and vote for me will ya?"

  • 90 votes
#1.12 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

Tanorexic Boehner needs a cigarette - "I'd rather be on the golf course with a club in one hand, and a beer in the other!" - What do you expect from a "Do Nothing" GOP Congressman.

  • 59 votes
#1.13 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

ruled that a voice vote was sufficient to approve credentialing rules for delegates at future conventions

So did they bring out their clap-o-meter to get a true vote???? LOLOL!!!

  • 49 votes
#1.14 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

The American Taliban at work.

So the repulicans have lost women, hispanics, blacks, democrats, and are now even losing Republicans. You think even without their changes they could have just nominated the Liar of all time Romney?

  • 62 votes
#1.16 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:20 PM EDT

Surprise, surprise! A dirty RNC deal and the Boehner has his fingers (if not another body part) right in it!

  • 62 votes
#1.17 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

I wish this was 1968. The whole world should be watching this abomination. Let's see if Rand Paul has bigger balls than Willard when it comes to their fathers.

  • 42 votes
#1.18 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

Boehner to the Ron Paul supporters - "We can't hear you, lalalaalalalal"

  • 60 votes
#1.19 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

See how they treat their own? Does anyone think the opposition party will be treated any better under a GOP/TB administration?

  • 51 votes
#1.20 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

@ Steeler Fan-380417#1.10: Of course. Republicans are so fraught with fraud It's as much a part of them as breathing. They cannot fathom a party or people who are not like natured.

  • 45 votes
#1.21 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:27 PM EDT

What was a travesty was how Ron Paul tried to get delegates that he should not have by twisting the rules. People did not want him so they did not vote for him. So what does he do, he tries to pervert the entire process and literally steal the vote by twisting delegate rules. I am glad that the rules were changed to prevent these type of hijack attempts from occurring in the future. Ron Paul has shown that he will do whatever it takes to try and get what he wants, whether the people want it or not. Thankfully that loony did not get very far with his candidacy if this is what he thinks of democracy.

  • 10 votes
#1.22 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

A vote for Romney is a vote for changing the rules when you want.

Which leads to...........starts with a "C" and ends with an "N".

Corruption !!!

  • 57 votes
#1.23 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

Holy smokes,....that video looked like a Frankenstein movie. Boehner in a windmill with townspeople below bearing torches, pitchforks and clubs.

You came close to buying it Boehner.

BTW: get ready to hand over that gavel in January slick.

  • 47 votes
#1.24 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:36 PM EDT
Comment author avatarCaesar Augustus-Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Which leads to...........starts with a "C" and ends with an "N".

Communism? no thats voting Obamao

  • 2 votes
#1.25 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

JS in SD..twisting the rules is something the tea party has gotten great at...and the rest of the republicnas are following along. What remainns to be seen is if the rest of this nation are crazy enough to elect Romney and the tea party...if so..they will get exactly what they voted for...another but worse Bush and more years of losses for this nation.

  • 45 votes
#1.26 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

Surprised the even allow any votes other than Mitt Liar Romney.

  • 32 votes
#1.27 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

@GOPisextinct

This is the second time the country had to bail out a second rate auto manufacturer, and this time it isn't even an American company. How long do you figure before Chrysler goes belly up again and needs to be bailed out. Sorry Bubba, but the company you work for should have been forced into bankruptcy, and if that didn't solve the problems it should have been allowed to die.

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:41 PM EDT

The GOP establishment has doubled-down on blocking people's votes. This move, unlike previous efforts, has the conservative base up in arms (not just Paul supporters, JS in SD). Don't take my word for it, checkout conservativehq.com

This will be the final death blow for the GOP as we know it today.

  • 33 votes
#1.29 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

It is as if Bain Capital took over the Convention and leveraged their take over with the blood of Ron Paul, and of course any other individual who might want to @!$%# in Mittens litter box.

  • 41 votes
#1.30 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:44 PM EDT
  • Boehner: "There will be a New Rule for the GOP Convention: When GOP Leaders announce new rules, a Voice Vote of "Sieg Heil" will be the ONLY acceptable response. Agreed?"
  • Crowd: "Sieg Heil!" "Sieg Heil!"
  • and way far far back in the rear of the convention
  • Herman Cain shouts: "Nein! Nein! Nein!"
  • 56 votes
#1.31 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

IMO: this looks like the Republican party leadership is getting ready for the inevitable losses they will see this election. Because they will need to purge the party of the Tea Party nuts, the ultra-conservative evangelicals and the libertarians if they want to ever win again, they are setting them up to be removed from power.

While they have no doubt written off winning the White House, the GOP just hopes to hold onto the House. The Senate is not looking good.

The extremists overplayed their hands. Although they might have 30% of the actual votes, they were often able to control 70-80% of the delegates and push through platform planks (personhood, reinstatement of DADT, etc.) which the majority of Americans do not agree with and frankly do not matter.

Well, maybe the GOP will get rid of the extremists and finally go back to being the party of Dwight Eisenhower, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. We can only hope.

  • 33 votes
#1.32 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

Caesar I'm pretty sure when I speak for everyone here when I say that I realize you're a stone cold idiot...but seeing as the post you must be replying to is Eric's at #1.23 I just have to ask...are you really so stupid that you believe communism ends with an "n"?

And how many times did you go against spell check in your post before you realized that you're a goof?

Also please list,in any order you care to,exactly what measures Obama has taken that points to him being a communist. And then DEFEND your assertions.

  • 36 votes
#1.33 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:47 PM EDT

Caesar Augustus- Communism? no thats voting Obamao

Thanks for demonstrating you haven't the foggiest idea what communism is.

Which is de rigueur for conservatives.

(and kennyw, we DO realize it, but putting it in words is mean)

  • 27 votes
#1.34 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:53 PM EDT

Hey MAC, good to see you posting as always. Yeh, amazing that the GOP keeps going about the busines of alienating the general elecorate (women, minorities, youth, elderly, middle class, poor, working class, unions, etc. etc.) and then fall back on redistricting and manipulative voter schemes to try to buy the election with billionaire corporate funding. Somehow they even manage to alienate themselves because they can't find a comfortable position to the right of extreme right. You are correct, they don't understand the human politic.

  • 30 votes
#1.35 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:54 PM EDT

Just a typical repubot. Just say anything, no proof, lie, it doesn't matter as long as it's anti Obama. They have no scruples and no ethics.

It's OK for Rob-me to tell lies and everyone loves him.

  • 29 votes
#1.36 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

Xbonz;

Can't say that I totally disagree with you. There is a certain type of Darwinian mechanics that is associated with the auto industry. It has been happening here in Detroit almost since the auto industry was born. Detroit / Michigan / Indiana used to feature Packard, Cord, Hudson, Steudabacher, Yellow Cab, AMC (Romney's company),...all of these companies and many more all went extinct. It is why a lot of Detroit is a wasteland.

Chrysler has been saved twice now. Both times by Democrats. In this latest incarnation I guess the endemic incompetence of Chrysler management was exposed. I guess you kind of noticed that no American was chosen to head up the company. They had to cross an ocean for that. Enter Sergio.

Perhaps there is something about Chrysler that attracts incompetent, avaricious boobs to their upper management.

Chrysler was too big to fail. Let's hope they get it right this time. Three strikes and you're out.

  • 17 votes
#1.37 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:57 PM EDT

We all should watch the various GOP posters spin this destructive republican performance. They'll likely try to blame the President for the bruises suffered by Paul at the hands of Romney. My primary hope is; they can all get through this convention free of any further spread of Herpes and Syphilis.

  • 20 votes
#1.38 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:01 PM EDT
Comment author avatarCaesar Augustus-Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Wow I call Obamao a communist and 10 libtards chime in, Brucey screams sieg Heil and not a peep. LOSERS!!

  • 2 votes
#1.39 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

Hey XBonz and GOPisextinct, the last time I looked Bush bailed out the auto industry. You need a lesson in economics. If a major company takes a dive it does not only effect that business and its employees, it trickles down to the bottom and all those businesses that depend on that major industry lose. It is like a cancer and it consumes all that it touches.

  • 7 votes
#1.40 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

When Boehner determined, in his capacity as the convention's permanent chairman, that the ayes had won it, cheers and boos mixed together in the convention hall.

ROFL ....

I proclaim it thus and therefore, thus it shall be. I see why republicans seem so out of touch with democratic norms because they don't exercise democracy even in their own convention.

  • 20 votes
#1.41 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

If all of you would have joined the Popular Amendment Movement at www.faircampaignreform.us two years ago, we might have avoided all of this expensive nightmare we have this year (and it will continue to get worse each election IF you don't band together and help pass the two constitutional amendments.) It also would have avoided this type of convention action because it would have made presidential selection by NATIONAL PRIMARY VOTE ONLY...NO PARTY CONVENTIONS. (See Sections 2 and 7 of the ECFR Amendment.)

Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform


We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.

Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.

This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.

Name Signature State Address

Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits


We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.

Term Limits for Congress:
1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)

This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.

Name Signature State Address

  • 17 votes
#1.42 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

Okay, I'm LMAO! The Republicans are now eating their own. And, they THINK this will get them the Ron Paul votes? Is there a single brain cell in anyone around Romney??? My GOD they are dumber than dirt - and twice as filthy!

It's like watching a demolition derby. You know they're ALL going to get destroyed!

I might actually have to watch a little of this tonight - for laughs!

Nah- I can do better things - like my laundry; my hair; get my nails done; anything!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 29 votes
#1.43 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:18 PM EDT

Can't disagree either Sue. Some estimates put overnight job losses at 4 million if any of the Big 3 went under. Would have destroyed our country.

A Depression was certain.

Bush tossed the auto industry some minor loot (I think $20 billion) after he tossed the banking industry $787 billion.

Bush started the first auto loans. Chrysler has paid back all of ours, with interest. The quest for quality at Chrysler has become near jihadic. We got some incredible products in the pipeline.

You're gonna' like what we've been doing with our time, and the second, second chance that America has given us.

Stay tuned..........cause this story ain't over.

  • 21 votes
#1.44 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:19 PM EDT
Comment author avatarHopeful AmericanExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

LMFAO - the libbies sure are showing how scared they are!

Obama is coming home Fiesty!

  • 2 votes
#1.45 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

@Ecoman101#1.35: Good to see you again. If we can stand the smell we'll enjoy this spectacle. Best regards

  • 4 votes
#1.46 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:21 PM EDT

Feisty - let's see - there is a little over 2 months left before the election. How many OTHER groups can the Republicans turn against them in 2 months!!! LMAO!!!

Hopeful American - President Obama visits us on occasion here in Chicago. He will come back to live in January 2017 - after his 2nd term!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 23 votes
#1.47 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

And I thought things were bad with the GOP attempting to suppress the vote in some states, trying to restrict choices women have concerning their own health issues, being obstructionists in Congress for the last 2 years, all the wasted time spent in the House doing useless posture voting against the ACA, all the lying, filibusters, etc., ...but now we have THIS???

Now the GOP leadership is trying to drown out dissenting voices within their OWN party just to make it look like Romney is the undisputed person of choice.

He isn't, really...right-wing evangelicals don't trust him, hard-line conservatives don't warm to him, the tea party really thinks he's a light-weight politician, his record refutes his words and later actions, and perhaps worst of all...dogs really don't like this guy.

But...as I look at what happened today at the RNC convention, I'm comforted knowing it couldn't happen to a more deserving group than the GOP.

  • 23 votes
#1.48 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:25 PM EDT

yup, you too will be tossed "back" when all this is over. now sit down and shut up. it never ends with the gop, obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. you may always tell the character of a good person by the way you are treated when THEY don't need you.

  • 12 votes
#1.49 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:36 PM EDT

Mother Cluster Duck - but they DO need everyone they can get. Wow! You just can't fix stupid!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 12 votes
#1.50 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:42 PM EDT

GOPisextinct.... I have a beautiful Inferno Red Chysler Sebring convertible. Just thought you would like to know. I think that Bush tossed the 20 mil at Chrysler, of which they paid back 7.5 mil last year. They may have already paid the entire amount back by now, but I'm not sure.

  • 4 votes
#1.51 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:48 PM EDT

So the Republicans demonstrate how to cheat each other, and suppress their own votes ahead of their similar strategy against Democrats for November. Bravo gentlemen, I say Bravo!

  • 8 votes
#1.52 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:02 PM EDT

Go ahead GOP, it's your party do what you want. Just remember, video tape can be rewound and digital video doesn't even require that. Good luck selling Libertarians and Independent's on your idea of bringing the parties together.

  • 10 votes
#1.53 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:08 PM EDT

4 minutes to showtime, get your popcorn popped.

  • 6 votes
#1.54 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:12 PM EDT

Yanno, I'm all in favor of the party controlling how it nominates people for president, but the idea the Boehner thinks he can get an accurate tally of for/against votes by having them shout at the same time is insane.

Rock stars do that to different sides of the stadium so they can "compete" for who is bigger fans. Invariably, each side gets louder in response to the previous side's chant, and I don't think anything is ever officailly decided that way.

So, what we have here is, in Boehner's opinion, the "for" votes were louder than the "against" votes, and since they can (debatably) scream louder, there must be more of them? Well, then why don't we use the traffic and red-light cameras around the nation, and just count the number of Obama bumper stickers versus the number of Romney bumper stickers on the road, and we'll use that to determine who wins the presidency.

And forget about the fact that all the Ron Paul supporters were placed in the very back of the convention hall, so they had to scream even louder to sound at the same volume. Let's see how Boehner likes this idea; we'll do all Senate votes as "voice votes" and the President of the Senate will be the one to listen and decide which side wins.

  • 9 votes
#1.55 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:12 PM EDT

We are all witnessing the rise of Fascism from the far right.

For all of the bluster and accusations from the right that Obama wants to destroy America, the Republicans just took a major step toward destroying Democracy.

  • 16 votes
#1.56 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:21 PM EDT

Sue;

Those Sebring's are sexy cars. Specially the convertibles (2.7L?). I hope you like it. Lemme' know when you are ready for another one. I'll get you a 1% discount if you want. Hey. 1% is better than nuthin' right?

  • 4 votes
#1.57 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:21 PM EDT

I love my Dodge Grand Caravan Great ride, great milage, lots of room even for two wheel chairs and the people who use them. They could have put better tires on it though as I am changing them at 38000 miles, too wore out for the up coming snow, that is if we get snow. it will be 91 degrees in northern cheese head land tomorrow. GOP flat earthers, the use up all the resources for me era, the mormon socialist party who has their people volunteering their work to fill warehouses full of food and clothing. as the bishop said on t.v. we have farms and ranches and its all given. of course volunteers don't get paid which i believe is socialistic. democratic socialism BAD mormon socialism GOOD hypocrites.

  • 4 votes
#1.58 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:26 PM EDT

This convention is full of lies. Can't win without deceit. Lies about Obama when we all know that Bush created the trillions in debt. Bush created the great recession. The comeback of republicans will defeat this nation.

  • 11 votes
#1.59 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:28 PM EDT

If the people would have known what was coming, before the decision was made on the vote, a person can call for a division of the house. At that time a standing vote is taken on the issue.

  • 2 votes
#1.60 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:42 PM EDT

Hey, Mitt's presidency has been bought and paid for by a lot of corporations. They're certainly not going to let those pesky voters get in the way of their Manchurian Candidate.

  • 13 votes
#1.61 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:51 PM EDT

Ok I get it, these are just people involved with the republican party. They have their beliefs and they blast their opposition. Their beliefs go beyond the republican party, they are born to parents with the same beliefs, have neighbors with the same beliefs. They will never tell you that they are part of the debt problem. They talk, give me give me mentality but will not say one word about the corporations that are in the handout line of the give me mentality. They really believe ole Mitt is the redeemer. They feel the people will prevail but if so why haven't they? Why is everything as lousy as they talk it is, if they believe the people will prevail? It's confusing.

  • 6 votes
#1.62 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:55 PM EDT

I watched this happen over a live stream from someone who was filming from the floor with their Iphone.(I was also looking at the cspan stream) They basically railroaded the rules changes through, there was no question that people were opposed, both Paul and Romney supporters.

Well, I hope they like Obama in 2013, because thats what they will get...

  • 9 votes
#1.63 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:06 PM EDT

Ron Paul should run for President under a third party and steal away all the Tea Party votes. Think the contest would be even close after that?

That would be this liberal's dream; but won't happen. Worked with Anderson to put St. Ronnie in over Carter. Turn about is fair play.

  • 2 votes
#1.64 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:20 PM EDT

He doesn't need to run, just have alot of folks write his name in, that would work. Also isn't it sort of dumb to have the slogan "WE built it" is not that exactly what Obama said? The community built America, I thought thier whole thing was "I built that", anyone else see that?

  • 6 votes
#1.65 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:26 PM EDT

Bob way up there. If Missouri is a toss up Romney is in a heap of trouble. That is a state of good ole boys and very republican. If it is a toss up look out for a 50 state win by Obama. God Bless Obama and the United States. May he prevail over all the lies, hatred and disharmony the repubicans create and God abhors. Obama 2012! Because he has worked hard for this country and he deserves it in spite of all the hateful malicious false rhetoric people like Hannity and Limbaugh have spouted for years. If people only knew the truth which I pray daily they find out, Obama will win easily!

  • 9 votes
#1.66 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:27 PM EDT

Wow, what a way to start the GOP convention - alienate your own. I'm thinking Pres. Obama has little to worry about with respect to re-election. Hard to believe the GOP would treat members of their own party like that - and we should note - members they courted!

I guess the GOP thinks if they silence Ron Paul and Sarah Palin then things will go their way. Apparently they forgot that both those people can create an emotional frenzy and whip up tremendous support. Mittens, as usual, you and your handlers have made a HUGE mistake.

  • 5 votes
#1.67 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:13 PM EDT

Well, this was actually pretty interesting and quite telling regarding the major splits within the GOP. I don't believe that any Ron Paul supporters actually thought they could win the nomination, but they were mainly crying out for some recognition and to speak their protest to the primary outcomes. Ron Paul supporters typically aren't Tea Baggers, but they got some Tea Party support here in this protest because the TP is not at all happy with the nomination of Romney.

Instead of letting these people have their little moment in the spotlight, the GOP shut them down and flatly rejected anything but whole hearted support for Romney. The true Libertarian Ron Paul Supporters are probably among the most passionate idealists in the GOP. But the GOP just kicked them in the teeth. And likewise they pretty much told the Tea Party to go pound sand. What we saw was an attempted protest vote and the GOP denied them. Ron Paul supporters are generally not Obama haters and I wouldn't be surprise if some actually voted for Obama. But by denying these guys their moment, they may have pissed these people off enough that they may just stay home in November. And as far as the Tea Party goes, although many are Obama haters, the real question is whether they can bring themselves to support Romney. For the most part, Romney represents exactly what the Tea Party is against. It is hard to imagine that any true Tea Bagger could actually stomach casting a vote for Romney. Sure they want to defeat Obama, but to vote for Romney is compromising their principles, which in fact are so important to them.

I believe the GOP's actions here today may very well cost them a significant number of votes. I believe a significant number of Paul supporters may very well cast a protest vote for Obama and likely many many more simply won't vote. And although it is highly unlikely that any Tea Baggers will vote for Obama, it is very possible that many may just withold their votes too.

The GOP had an opportunity to "make things right" with these two wings of the party, but they instead chose to reject them. This was pretty stupid considering the GOP should be trying to get these people to vote for a candidate, they voted against in the Primaries. They should have been taking the opportunity to unite these folks with them, but they just pushed them away. This could very well cost Romney 2-3% of typical Republican votes and therefore cost them any chance of winning in November. I recently talked with a couple moderate conservatives who expressed that they hope Obama doesn't win but who also said the couldn't bring themselves to actually vote Romney.

  • 4 votes
#1.68 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:56 PM EDT

1NewDay

Well, this was actually pretty interesting and quite telling regarding the major splits within the GOP. I don't believe that any Ron Paul supporters actually thought they could win the nomination, but they were mainly crying out for some recognition and to speak their protest to the primary outcomes. Ron Paul supporters typically aren't Tea Baggers, but they got some Tea Party support here in this protest because the TP is not at all happy with the nomination of Romney.

This could be an opportunity for Obama if he can extend some kind of olive branch or invitation to seek common ground with the Ron Paul crowd...perhaps even allowing Ron Paul to speak at the DNC?

Its a long shot, but it's not impossible...

  • 3 votes
#1.69 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:04 PM EDT

Jeepgal66 must not have known that Obama was state senator in 1997 and a US senator after that before becoming president. Romney tried for the Senate in 1994 but lost. He became governor in 2003. Let's see here, 1997 to 2012. That's 15 years. And let's see....2003 to 2007. That's 4 years. Yep. 4 years is greater than 15. You're right. Romney has more experience.

  • 3 votes
#1.70 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:16 PM EDT

After this I certainly hope the Libertarians who back Ron Paul will take a step back and reconsider their default support of the GOP. The GOP is no longer the party of freedom and liberty. They are the party of Government control over birth, marriage, death, sexual preference, and most of all, cut taxes and starve the government to death. Ok, so maybe that last one appeals to Libertarians, but really, how far do you expect they will go before they impose some other rule on you?

  • 2 votes
#1.71 - Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:08 AM EDT

GOP,

Thank you! I don't know if it is a 2.7L or not, all I know is that it is a 6 cylinder. I love the way the top goes down into the trunk, but I giggle everytime I put the top back up because when I am sitting in the car, and looking in the rear view mirror, it reminds my of the cobra coming out of the snake charmers basket.

  • 1 vote
#1.72 - Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:51 AM EDT

The RCP average of polls shows that our President has a 2.0 point lead in Michigan – Romney’s home state.

President Obama also holds an 18.7 point lead in Romney's other home state, Massachusetts; the state in which Romney was governor. If Willard can't take his own state(s), how can he possibly hope to take the rest of the country?

    #1.73 - Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:18 PM EDT
    Reply

    Too funny, the GOP is now turning away republican delegates they don't approve of. Is there no group that the republicans won't disenfranchise!

    • 44 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

    Yes, old white men............

    • 22 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

    snide racist innuendo. what a dooshy puke Eric. oh well you lick windows

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:39 PM EDT

    to ceser the geezer, as a repbulikkan you've bee voting racist for almost 50 years. the only time you pull your head out of your lower bowel when you feel like licking Koch. And you know it.

    • 12 votes
    #2.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:15 PM EDT

    Not good to disrespect others Caesar, CoH should be followed.

    • 7 votes
    #2.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:15 PM EDT

    I guess you wish you could be Ceasar Augustus, but yoiu sound like a Napoleon complex kind of guy. Other than that you are a nobody. Your comments are so useless only someone uneducated and a loser could have written those comments. That makes you indeed a NOBODY. Your Repucks wouldn't even want you...to stupid, loser, ignorant, white trash. You need not apply.....haha.

    • 4 votes
    #2.5 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

    Well, they seem to love the uber-rich. . . and those guys aren't going anywhere.

    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:50 PM EDT

    to ceser the geezer, as a repbulikkan you've bee voting racist for almost 50 years. the only time you pull your head out of your lower bowel when you feel like licking Koch. And you know it.

    7 votes for this incoherent drivel. 50 not even close. What a tool.

    followed by this lovely piece, speaking of trailer trash

    I guess you wish you could be Ceasar Augustus, but yoiu sound like a Napoleon complex kind of guy. Other than that you are a nobody. Your comments are so useless only someone uneducated and a loser could have written those comments. That makes you indeed a NOBODY. Your Repucks wouldn't even want you...to stupid, loser, ignorant, white trash. You need not apply.....haha.

      #2.7 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:00 PM EDT

      Interesting that you have the name Caesar Augustus. You do realize he was a dictator also, and oh in case you haven't heard, he was murdered by his cabinet members. So calling Obama the name of Obamao, pot meet kettle.

      • 2 votes
      #2.8 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:23 PM EDT

      Rule Changes for GOP Delegates and Voter Suppression. The GOPTea way or the highway.

      GOP Delegates getting a little taste of voter suppression.

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 9 votes
      #2.9 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:08 PM EDT
      Reply

      conservatives ... protested the move as a power play to shut out grassroots conservatives.

      Interesting move - they apparently want to limit Tea Party influence.

      • 29 votes
      Reply#3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

      We'll see if Mitt Romney gets the same level of applause as Ron Paul got when he stepped onto the floor.

      Why do you do a tribute to Ron Paul and not let him speak?

      Talk about a divided party.

      • 23 votes
      #3.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

      To attempt to mollify the Paul supporters since Paul refused the conditions that were required of him to be allowed to speak by King Mittens the Insipid and his court. Paul wouldn't agree to have his speech vetted and absolutely refused to give Romney his full endorsement.

      Personally I agree with the pundits who surmise that the only reason Paul is not calling on his followers to do a full out revolt is that he doesn't want to torpedo any national run for Rand before it even starts (sorry Ron,reality already did that...).

      • 18 votes
      #3.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:58 PM EDT

      I'm sure the Miners in Ohio who were forced to attend a rally there a few weeks ago, many w/o pay, won't be voting for him. But one must understand that they were not "forced" it was just Mandatory.

      The video is part of the group at the top of this page.

      Aug. 28: Mandatory support for Romney at one event in Ohio coal country

      • 9 votes
      #3.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

      I work for a company that makes machines for coal company's. The fact is that Mitt Romney while as Governor didn't want his neighbors to breathe bad air and had his state switch to gas to have clean air. I don't see where he is all pro coal.

      • 4 votes
      #3.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:50 PM EDT

      If Ron Paul is a true Libertarian then why isn't he running under the Libertarian Party?

      • 2 votes
      #3.5 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:02 PM EDT
      Reply

      If Sarah Palin hates it, it must be a good idea. Any system where you can win by getting fewer votes must be her dream come true.

      • 18 votes
      Reply#4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

      No, its a system where 1 vote cant be used to hijack the votes of a hundred other people. Funny though that extreme left wing liberals and Sarah Palin agree though.

      • 3 votes
      #4.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

      I wouldn't say we agree with the Paul supporters. I WOULD say that we're lol'ing watching Mittens the Insipid and his hatchet men in their attempt to quash any dissension within the party ranks and only ending up making it worse.

      • 13 votes
      #4.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

      Candlewycke - It's your party. And remember, this is a good as it gets. Seems to me it's Republicans eating each other. I don't thing the "extreme left wing liberals" are even part of the food chain...roflmao!!!

      • 6 votes
      #4.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:14 PM EDT

      Sarah P. can see Florida from Alaska on a clear day, along with all her momma bears, standing on the bridge to nowhere.

      • 6 votes
      #4.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:57 PM EDT
      Reply

      Proves once again how mathematically-challenged these repubs are. The only party where the majority loses.

      • 32 votes
      Reply#5 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

      "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." (John, Lord Morley)

      • 24 votes
      Reply#6 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

      People will forget what you said. People will forget what you did. People will never forget how you made them feel. Maya Angelou

      • 4 votes
      #6.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:39 PM EDT
      Reply

      Well at least Ron Paul stirs consistent feelings from both parties...they both hate his small government, "we the people" approach to true liberty.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#7 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:03 PM EDT

      The problem with Paul is not his views on government. It is that he lives in a fairy tale world and has never shown the capacity to win anything beyond his immediate influence. In short, no one in their right mind would support a candidate who has zero chance of being elected no matter how noble his fight is. This is not about Rocky taking on Apollo Creed. This is Pee Wee Herman taking on a enraged Gorilla with martial arts training and a team of ninjas as backup. Ron Paul is smart, has some good ideas but has never figured out that his best ideas are best suited behind the scenes influencing others who can actually influence the world. In short, Ron Paul is an exercise in abject failure.

      • 7 votes
      #7.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:54 PM EDT

      Plus he is pretty close to having one foot in the grave.

      • 1 vote
      #7.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:16 PM EDT

      Candlewycke

      In short, no one in their right mind would support a candidate who has zero chance of being elected no matter how noble his fight is.

      You don't even realize what you just admitted to do you?

      "When they show you who they are...believe them!"

      • 5 votes
      #7.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:18 PM EDT
      Reply

      Thats the Republican way just change the rules as you go to make sure everything goes your way.

      • 28 votes
      Reply#8 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

      they both hate his small government, "we the people" approach to true liberty.

      But government shrinks under Democrats and grows under Republicans.

      • 20 votes
      #9 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

      SS, Medicare and Obamacare truly are small gov. Pesky Repubs keep introducing socialized crap.

      • 3 votes
      #9.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

      Pesky Repubs keep introducing socialized crap.

      True Caesar, repubs privatize profits and socialize risk (bank bailouts).

      You are finally starting to pick up some stuff here on First Read.

      Nice to see you finally starting to come around.

      • 22 votes
      #9.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:18 PM EDT

      GOPisExtinct if i take what you say as worthy, then I would believe the GOP is extinct however if that were the case how is it we are talking about the GOP? Perhaps urinating on Pachyderms is your forte. stick with that

      • 4 votes
      #9.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:24 PM EDT

      @GOPisextinct-

      Check your spelling, pal. "But government s hr tinks under Democrats and grows under Republicans."

        #9.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

        Republicans are so full of it that they will blame Obama for the storm damage when Isaac comes ashore, then turn around and take credit for the rain over the dought striken midwest when Isaac moves inland.

        • 20 votes
        #9.5 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

        Al, now youre just a revisionist. <cough>Katrina

          #9.6 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

          they will blame Obama for the storm damage

          Al,....didn't you hear? It is the result of the Socialist Obama Weather Machine that keeps producing the hurricanes during repubby Dog n' Pony Show time.

          Get with it handsome.

          • 15 votes
          #9.7 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

          Rush Limbaugh is already blaming the Obama administration for forecasting Tampa as the point of impact for Isaac, and causing the GOP to lose a day....

          What an idiot... Tampa was never named as a target until Limbaugh said it first....

          • 19 votes
          #9.8 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

          Sorry, but "Reagan'sGOPisExtinct" seemed so,....verbose.

          • 9 votes
          #9.9 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:43 PM EDT

          The Whole World's watching

          From the article above:

          Loud boos erupted Tuesday on the floor of the Republican National Convention as RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, ruled that a voice vote was sufficient to approve credentialing rules for delegates at future conventions.

          Looks like the wheels have come off the Love Train.

          Sadly, Ron Paul supporters are getting a taste of what a Romney Presidency would be like for ALL of us Americans who don't "FIT" the "Credentials".

          This is just yet ANOTHER demographic the TEA Party has alienated over the last two years.

          So I humbly welcome ALL Ron Paul Supporters to join us Democrats, Eisenhower/Reagan Republicans, and Independents to Re-ELECT President Obama this November, and let us all TAKE BACK THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES so we can move this country FORWARD again.

          Salud.

          • 25 votes
          #9.10 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

          the establishment is fully prepared for the losses to come.

          The Tea Party has no idea the level of pain they will be experiencing.

          The extremists, including the Tea Party and the evangelicals will get all of the blame for the losses, as they should.

          • 8 votes
          #9.11 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:05 PM EDT

          aesar Augustus-

          GOPisExtinct if i take what you say as worthy, then I would believe the GOP is extinct however if that were the case how is it we are talking about the GOP? Perhaps urinating on Pachyderms is your forte. stick with that

          Not all extinctions are as quick as a meteorite. Some are very slow and painful even to watch. And no one in the Democratic Party needs to urinate on a pachyderm. Ever heard of a circular firing squad? You folks are doing a good enough job yourselves. There's an old saying "when your enemy digs his own grave, don't take away his shovel.

          • 6 votes
          #9.12 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:29 PM EDT

          Yep, the size of government increases under GOP rule, as dose the debt. Obama ended one money gobbling war and is working on ending another. Spending is way down, now if we can just get the republicans to pay their fair share of taxes and social security.

          • 8 votes
          #9.13 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:44 PM EDT

          Dirp, Evangelical

          The establisment GOP will just throw both the Tea Party and Evangelicals overboard as they no longer matter. Both groups are filled with a bucnh of morons who actually t hought some politicians were goingto delver on their prmoises, thus negating any hold over these groups that they currently enjoy. They are like sorority sluts on a Thursday night who get drunk to get courage to get @!$%#ed then cry rape in the morning.

          • 2 votes
          #9.14 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:03 PM EDT

          That is why they hate Akin so much. Because he is the only one to shed light on the extreme positions they have.

          • 4 votes
          #9.15 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:36 PM EDT
          Reply

          Romney chooses a Tea Party favorite for Vice President, and then silences Ron Paul, who actually has a portion of the youth vote, at the convention. If this is how Romney runs a campaign, imagine how he'd run our foreign policy. I can see him teeing off our allies and bolstering dictaors...oh, kind of the usual Republican strategy.

          • 27 votes
          Reply#10 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

          Oh, wait! I thought Mr. Romney already did that during his run thru Europe while visiting his horse at the Olympics. . .

          • 5 votes
          #10.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:55 PM EDT

          Romney chooses a Tea Party favorite for Vice President, and then silences Ron Paul...

          That's an excellent point Amy. Romney has pushed away women, minorities, low and middle incomers.....and now his party is trying to shed one of the many extremist groups.

          WOW, if I were republican, AND NOT a white man, between 35-45, making over a million a year...I'd be afraid...very afraid. Happily...I'm not a republican so...I'm good.

          • 5 votes
          #10.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:45 PM EDT

          So much sour grapes here. The people didn't want Ron Paul. If they had, they would have voted for him. We need to set our sights on getting rid of Obama, not attacking each other. To split the party makes no sense in an election as important as this one. I do realize that most of the folks posting here are Obama supporters so I'm talking to a blank wall, but for what it's worth, Obama is the worst President ever. He has done nothing to bring down the deficit and cut spending. He wants more and more people on the government teat to ensure his and his party's base. You know, those folks who couldn't wait to get their "Obama money." I want tough love, I want folks to work and take care of themselves. I don't want to be Greece. I want my kids and grandkids to have a chance to make it on their own. Under Obama, we'll continue to have no jobs (Keystone Pipeline, no off coast drilling, no clean coal energy jobs, etc.), but here's your food stamps, welfare, and unemployment payments. We need jobs! The Dems aren't going to do it, not even when they had the chance to. So, to quote your fave, cool President, "Get on the train or get out of the way!"

            #10.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:15 PM EDT

            Lily's Mom: Fact check! Oops failed!

            • 2 votes
            #10.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

            The nomination of Paul Ryan, with Tea Party support, simply shows how little principles matter to the Tea Party. It is simply about driving the brown guy from the White House. There is simply no other reason for folks to have totally ignored the borrow and spend, deregulate business policies of the Bush administration, and suddenly wake up at noon on January 20, 2009, saw the stock market nosediving, the months of job loses, and the trillions of debt, and blamed Obama. Not only do they have no sense of how we got to this point, but they also, even though they obviously weren't paying attention while this was happening, they know the exact course to take, the same one that they didn't pay any attention to for 7 1/2 years. Even more ironic is that the man they champion as the torchbearer of Tea Party ideal voted nearly lockstep with the Bush administration as he and the GOP were bankrupting the country, and, now he is the face of conservatism? Really? If there were any intellectual honesty, the conservatives would be calling Paul Ryan a RINO, a communist, socialist, Marxist. If he had brown skin and a funny name, you could throw in Kenyan and Muslim as well. If he had a D behind his name, they would be calling him that, instead, because he has an R behind his name, he's a hero.

            Paul Ryan voted for all the things the Tea Party supposedly are against. The expansion of entitlements, like the Prescription Drug Benefit, voted 5 times to raise the debt limit under Bush without demanding either spending cuts or a balanced budget amendment. He voted for TARP, and the auto bailouts, and asked for earmarks from the stimulus funds, saying that it would create jobs in his district. He has relied on a government check for the majority of his life, from social security widow and orphan benefits, which his plan to privatize social security would eliminate, to a congressional staffer, to 14 years as a Representative. 1 year in private enterprise, working for his stepfather, since he left college. A career politician. Simply another corporate Republican making the rich richer, the poor poorer, and the Tea Party supports him because they see an R behind his name, and he seems to properly hate Obama.

            By his voting record, he's a borrow and spend Repubican. Of course, he's for more tax cuts on the rich, turning medicare into a voucher program, and has sponsored personhood laws. He isn't a fiscal conservative, he's a social issues ultraconservative, and for all their talk about being all about fiscal issues, are all in for a fiscal borrow and spender with extreme social control views.

            • 2 votes
            #10.5 - Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:18 AM EDT
            Reply

            America.....Once again THEY change the Rules On US So We Must Also....Refuse To Re-Elect ANY Incumbents Be They Democrat Or Republican Especially that NDAA Parrot Act Traitor To US Barry Bush-Wacker!

            Mitt Romney Wins.....John Boehner Loses! No Incumbents Re-Elected at all in 2012..........

            With a suddenly Democratic House and probably Senate..... We The People can Always Demand IMPEACH Romney in February if he too betrays US to Wall Street!

            Just what the Doctor Ordered IMPEACHMENT with Long Prison Sentences to Cure US from Wall Streets Corruption!

            Psst.....Obama Bush & Cheney Sent to the Hague for WAR CRIMES in 2013!

            • 5 votes
            Reply#11 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

            Some of you goofs really have lost it haven't you?

            • 3 votes
            #11.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:19 PM EDT

            crawl back under your rock or go to lubboc texas

            • 3 votes
            #11.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:34 PM EDT

            Whack jobs are coming out of the woodwork! But at least it's a job....

            • 2 votes
            #11.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:17 PM EDT
            Reply

            Mr GOP

            If you can not have open debate in your convention do not expect it to be any better on the floor of Congress. If you lead through brute force in your own party you shall not achieve the control you desire with independent voters. Sadly you shall reap the destruction of the complete party and force history to repeat itself as it did in 1854. Watching the last vestige of this conservative party hierarchy lose it's way shall be the delight of your opponents as you restrict voices of change from bringing you back to the roots of a fiscally responsible organization to one of calamity, confusion and corruption.

            • 18 votes
            Reply#12 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

            Tanorexic Boehner wacked Ron Paul in the back of his head with the RNC chairmanship gavel - Ouch!! Does anyone have any TP to wipe up the blood?

            • 11 votes
            Reply#13 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

            Just another fracture in the ranks. This is getting to be comedic.

            Johnson/Gray 2012

            • 7 votes
            Reply#14 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

            I thought the laughs would stop, after Bachman, McCain, Santorum and the others quit. But NOOOOOO....

            IT'S BAAAAAACK!

            • 4 votes
            #14.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:48 PM EDT
            Reply

            lol gotta love the fascism spreading within the GOP..as well as the cannibalism, absent all the gore and blood...its really entertaining honestly, but scary as well if you factor in the GOP power move nationwide by their voter suppression tactics. The GOP, killing American values like voting, just so they can get their way

            • 19 votes
            Reply#15 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:24 PM EDT

            They don't even support their own candidate. What a joke.

            • 13 votes
            #15.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:26 PM EDT
            Reply

            I believe there is a great deal of idiocy on both ends of the political spectrum. We have two parties whose slavish adherence their own random collection of contradictory principles would be laughable, if it weren't determining the future of our country.

            For instance: Democrats want to make it a federal crime to eat unhealthy food and ban all smoking within 30 miles of civilization ... except for pot. Republicans say we should have the freedom to eat and smoke what and where we want ... except for pot. Democrats make up pseudo-science to justify any scare story that will increase their power. Republicans ... well ... "Uh ... 'science' ... ? ... whut's that?" Democrats believe that private ownership of guns should be illegal, and illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote. Republicans believe that "the people" in the second amendment refers to ... well ... the people, and fetuses should be allowed to vote. It goes on and on…

            I have long felt that the party that first rejects their silliest traditional views will get a big boost. Perhaps this limitation on the influence of the most extreme elements at the convention signals that the GOP has come to the same realization.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#16 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:24 PM EDT

            Shut up, Kannin. We're tired of your BS.

            • 10 votes
            #16.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

            You can smoke any where you want Kannin...as long as you are at least 100 miles from my airspace. You see, that is what the Bill of Rights means. Where my rights begin, your rights end. That is the fine line that our founding fathers put into the first 10 amendments. And that is what most Americans, including ALL of our politicians, forget. See my post above and get involved in the PAM. Take the first step towards the "people" getting back control of our elections. And then, do like I do if you can't support any of the people running for ANY elected office...vote NO VOTE or NONE OF THE ABOVE. It those options aren't on your ballot, but your state allows write-ins, then write it in.

              #16.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:29 PM EDT

              Amendments hell, republican don't do amendments they do commandments.

              • 6 votes
              #16.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:13 PM EDT

              Jefferson - I appreciate it when you attack me, rather than my arguments. It is your clear admission that my post is entirely accurate, and that you have no valid counter to any part of it.

              • 2 votes
              #16.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:48 PM EDT
              Reply

              This is democracy? The 'People'? The only difference between Russia and the GOP is the Republican politburo does not ALWAYS win. Just most of the time...as in now.

              • 9 votes
              Reply#17 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

              I think the backers of Ron Paul should walk out of the convention and just keep walking until after the election. Rand Paul could announce it in his "remarks" to the convention. If they stayed home on election day it might convince SOME party leaders they can't run roughshod over an important part of the party.

              • 5 votes
              #17.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:00 PM EDT

              JM, This is not a democracy, It is a Constitutional REPUBLIC. You need to study up on what form of Government we have.

              • 1 vote
              #17.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:31 PM EDT
              Reply

              I have stated this before: The traditional Republican party of Eisenhower, Rockefeller, Dirksen, Hatfield, Ford and others no longer exists. Those that wear the republican label now, are totalitarian, corrupt, and incompetent.
              The changing of the rules on delegates is just another example of Party totalitarianism.
              What they want their delegates to be is overly loyal serfs that will support anything their miserable masters say or do.
              Revolt! Do not support Romney

              • 20 votes
              Reply#18 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

              we are dooooooomed.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#19 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

              An amazing display of censorship and exclusion.

              Those Ron Paul delegates worked hard, and perhaps much, much harder than Romney's, and their achievement is made moot by the women on the dais refusing to include their count in the total.

              This disrespectful tactic was an Eric Fehrnstrom operation, he an LDS dirty trickster educated in the school of Karl Rove, and this is only the beginning. Imagine an LDS White House cloaked in secrecy and impacting the social agenda of this nation.

              I am now more committed than ever to bringing the Republicans down.

              • 19 votes
              Reply#20 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

              THANK YOU! See post #108. You are right on the money.

              I live in Tampa and we see alot that the rest of the public will not see. "Free speech zones"? Does that mean that free speech is not permitted anywhere else in the city? Where is Jefferson when you need him!

              • 2 votes
              #20.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:29 PM EDT

              true if Willard gets elected he will end social security by executive order right after he ends medicare and all you people 55 and under will be cursing him when you try to find an insurance company that will take his voucher when you are in your 70's and 80's and 90's. and you body is no longer 20 or even 55. why would anyone vote for that.

              • 4 votes
              #20.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:39 PM EDT

              Sandra=I agree with you but the 55 and over may change too. I can hear Mitt now saying if he gets elected, the numbers just don't work so all the people will be on vouchers..Remember, all he has to do is shake up his etch a sketch and redo it.

              • 4 votes
              #20.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:15 PM EDT

              If you are the kind of guy that will steal someone's retirement, you won't have any problem stealing old people's social security a fund worth 2.8trillion dollars. My that is a LOT of money! And from the GOP convention floor, the democracy experiment in the U.S.A. has ended!

              • 1 vote
              #20.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:23 PM EDT

              could be no worse than the Chaney secret meeting behind closed doors with all the CEO's of all Major Oil Companies....

                #20.5 - Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:25 AM EDT

                Nonsense Sandra you're just another Democratic Troll Out Spreading the Obomination Disinformation & Propaganda.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

                Oh yes with Obama's Inflation at 10 to 15% Which is the REAL Inflation Rate in America, Seniors are SOooo much better under Back Door Barry...NOT!

                Hmm.... Maybe you should stay in Chicago with the Rest Of The Obama Banksters!

                  #20.6 - Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

                  Anger is how they get you, and they reel you in with lies. Cutting taxes for the rich won't help anyone but the rich, and giving rich people more money does not make them suddenly decide to hire more people, except maybe a new pool boy or two.

                  • 1 vote
                  #20.7 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:21 PM EDT
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                  Go ahead and try to put a damper on this parade. At the end of the day as you liberal say, the race keeps getting tighter and you will be insulting anyone in your path. If the tea party wants to join in then no problem here. We accept all Americans that want to get on line to vote for Romney.

                  Jefferson, yes; Hamilton, no

                  An amazing display of censorship and exclusion.

                  Those Ron Paul delegates worked hard, and perhaps much, much harder than Romney's, and their achievement is made moot by the women on the dais refusing to include their count in the total.

                  I have to call you on that. I'm home and they are allowing the numbers from Ron Paul to be call. It is on record if you want to keep lying.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#21 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

                  It's not a parade, Concerned Citizen, it'a a CHARADE.

                  • 14 votes
                  #21.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

                  Maine just called the votes for Ron Paul. Don't know what the heck you are talking about Jefferson?

                  • 1 vote
                  #21.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

                  CC, they may be allowing the numbers for Paul to be announced by the delegate representative on the floor, but they are refusing to announce them as part of the RUNNING TOTAL from the dais. Why would THAT be?

                  • 10 votes
                  #21.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

                  Many of those upset by the rules change are long time republicans. Our problem is with people claiming to be republicans, but acting like federalists.

                  • 4 votes
                  #21.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:34 PM EDT

                  Truth is Ron Paul is too smart,too honest,and too good a person to be president.Thats the world we have to live in.

                  • 5 votes
                  #21.5 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:47 PM EDT

                  Tim Metcalfe - I agree. But now, Muslim or Mormon? Communism or Facism? Those are the tickets for sale to America. The price on both is steep. America, Land of the Fee.

                    #21.6 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:57 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Once again the voters have a chance to force a change. Do so now, before either party passes the law that chooses your vote for you.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#22 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

                    This could be the fatal mistake! Angering and disenfranchising the millions of Ron Paul supporters and using this as a tool to keep the tea party members in line may lead to a mass exodus of these folks from the Republican Party. While they will never vote for Obama, they just may move their support to Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket. Should this occur, Mitt Romney's chances of winning are toast.

                    • 15 votes
                    Reply#23 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:33 PM EDT

                    Mitt was battling an uphill battle; personally, I think he already was toast. But to your main point...you are very correct. Piss off RP and.....you lose his support, along with his millions of supporters. Ooops!

                    • 3 votes
                    #23.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:53 PM EDT

                    I'm afraid you may be right. I guess I just don't understand the logic behind dissing Paul & pissing off his supporters. Let him speak at the convention. If Romney wins, I think it would be a stroke of genius to have Paul as federal reserve chairman.

                    As it is, his supporters are energetic young people. Keeping them in the party would be relatively painless. As it is, they will be a constant irritant or worse.

                    Stupid, stupid, stupid!

                    • 4 votes
                    #23.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:05 PM EDT
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                    Time to start a real conservative party, not a RINO one! If anyone but Obama were running, Mitt would lose, but people are fed up with the lying and corruption of the progressive demonrat party that calls themselves American, but we all know they violate their oath of office daily!

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#24 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

                    See,s like someone...got run over by their moniker and is suffering grand delusions. I am an American, served this Nation, and since I yet have not lost my freedom of choice in the matter choose to support the democratic party. It has flaws as everything made by man has. I am willing to see slow and steady work undertaken to make improvements that benefit society as a whole but can not abide the radical and destructive nature of what the former Republican party now represent. They seek to rob me of my individuality and my dignity, I can not respect someone who is out to destroy freedom as a way of life...Most of all I can not abide a liar and they have become consummate liars...they have lied so much they have lost track of what it was they said before as we all see from the constant flip flops. I will cast my vote for President Obama and have chaired a grass roots movement locally where I live to support his re-election. If you are democrat and wish to fight these Republicans and their attempt to destroy democracy and freedom of choice to live your own life, become activist locally to motivate those around you. Start with those you are concerned for and join with community organizations to fight efforts to suppress your vote...Do not be complacent but be diligent in your efforts.

                    Obama/Biden 2012

                    • 4 votes
                    #24.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:46 PM EDT

                    Your kidding? we have lost more freedoms under Obama.More executive powers,NDAA.Drones flying over the usa. Mitt is only a little better.

                    • 1 vote
                    #24.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:12 PM EDT

                    Voiceinmyhead #24.1

                    - Very well said!

                    Obama/Biden 2012

                    • 1 vote
                    #24.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:24 PM EDT
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                    So as I listen live to the RNC it sickens me that the only votes that are being announced are those for Mittens...even in states that Dr.Paul has won all but a handful of delegates... they will announce the handful for Mittens and Not a mention of the Winning Delegates. It is clear to see that the Clown convention has already bought and paid for the Nominee....the rest is only for show.... How sad the state of the Republican Party finds itself in these days.....They should at least announce the winning delegate count no matter which candidate it is for... they are completely one sided... a SAD state of affairs for sure!

                    • 16 votes
                    Reply#25 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

                    Justanotheveteran,

                    With my most respect for your service. Maine and others called their votes for Ron Paul, so they did not total the votes for Ron because we all knew that Mitt was the winner. How does that take our votes away as Chuck mentions on his Post or Mirkan for that matter?

                      #25.1 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:16 PM EDT

                      The Ron Paul votes were declared by Maine in defiance of the rules change. Their credentials were revoked by the GOP so the voters they represent just had their votes cancelled by the party.

                      • 6 votes
                      #25.2 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:39 PM EDT

                      Ask yourself, why isn't Huntsman's name on that ballot? The party power brokers don't want him. If he were on that ballot, it would be a landslide.

                      • 2 votes
                      #25.3 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:43 PM EDT

                      I'm sorry... did i mention anything about taking our votes away....gimme a sec to re-read my post...................NOPE wasn't in there! My point was they are railroading the RNC, The people on the stage behind the Mics are not announcing the winning delegate count for the state....they are only calling the Mittens counts. I am a proud Republican and I will vote for the Republican Nominee! Yes we know that it is Mittens, however we do not have to be happy about it. And I will add.... I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT! I was disgusted with the candidates that our party put up this cycle....but lets face it the party is scraping the bottom of of the barrel now days. Just look at the shenanigans that they pulled this year. It is a sad state of affairs that we as republicans find ourselves in these days, mainly because the party no longer holds a lot of the viewpoints that made it a great party. I will vote for the Republican nominee, take that to the bank... but my vote will not be "FOR" Mittens.....It will be "AGAINST" the Community Organizer in Chief we currently are dealing with now. It may be time to advocate for a Peoples Party cause Lord knows where these clowns are gonna take us. The Right and the Left are so extreme these days, I find it hard to find common ground with either of them, and soon I believe they both will find out that they are no longer a good representation of We the People. I only hope that We the People don't wake up one day to find out we have been sold down the river and not have the means to paddle our way clear of the impending waterfalls.

                      • 1 vote
                      #25.4 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:56 PM EDT

                      Who is huntsman? Between Obama and Romney,and the do knothing corrupt(both partys congress) it looks preety bleek to me. I figure others like myself well write Ron Paul in so Obama stands a good chance of winning. I imagine many here are all happy.But i see a president who isnt worth a dam,no leadership what so ever. you really think the country can make it with the ever increasing debt and no jobs? If we have an Iran war our economy well tank,its already bad.I think were in a depression.Just today i read about a man who commited suicide because of his depression from being unemployed.

                      16 TRILLION,means your insolvent. Hell the government approved 50 million dollars just for the security for the repub. in florida. Get a clue and get ready for even worse times ahead.

                      Ron Paul was the only decent one running with his message of liberty and freedom.

                      • 2 votes
                      #25.5 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:07 PM EDT

                      Ron I am banking that the economy will get better with Mittens.... I just don't approve of the methods that it will happen....I mean If you think for one second that all of Mittens buddies are not holding fat stacks of cash just waiting for him to be elected to turn a bit of it loose, you must be foolish. They that have the cash will NOT invest it in this administration.... they do not approve of the redistribution of there stacks to the welfare state that the current administration is hell bent on creating. They will however invest those stacks when they are assured that they will get a size-able return on the investment. And face it... that damn Mittens is damn good at that aspect....like it or not! SO....do not right in the good Dr.'s name because it will just ensure that your vote is wasted. Like I said above... my vote will not be FOR Mittens.... it will be against Obama! Any logical thinking Republican....and I mean honest to goodness Republican... not these right wing extremists we have now days will do just that!

                        #25.6 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:27 PM EDT

                        It cannot be said enough..Ron paul is too smart and compassionate to be the leader of this company, oh... I mean country.

                        • 1 vote
                        #25.7 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:33 PM EDT

                        If you vote for Ron Paul in November you will be happy that you did and you'll smell better. :)

                        • 4 votes
                        #25.8 - Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:36 PM EDT

                        "Anti trust proponent" you forgot to add a few things needed in the campain laws.

                        1> Any political candidate who acuses the opponent of acts that are false, unfounded and unproven shall be disqualified from the race.

                        2> The press /media shall refrain from supporting either candidate or political platform. They shall also be prohibited from making untrue statements, biased reporting, and inflamitory statements during a campain. Furthermore if they refuse to comply with these rules, the offending network or paper shall lose their lic. to operate for one year, and be fined $10 million dollars.

                        3> All Candidates for Congress and President shall go before a non partisan vetting committee. They shall provide Original Birth certificate, Tax returns for the last 4 years, All college transcripts, all jobs and positions held by them, If it is found that any candidate has sealed any information or made false and missleading statements to the vetting board they will be banned for life from any federal campains. If any political party objects to and makes unfounded accusations It will be banned from any federal election for 10 yrs.

                          #25.9 - Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:47 AM EDT

                          That's going to require an amendment to the constitution. Paying taxes at all is not a requirement for the job, and Freedom of the Press will have to be reversed. Are you sure you want to head in that direction?

                            #25.10 - Tue Sep 4, 2012 4:24 PM EDT
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