Why all the hoopla?

Isn't this the same guy that every republican candidate wanted nothing to do with because of his liberal ideas?

Isn't this the same guy that GNOP supporters across the country ignored in favor of conservative backward thinking?

I guess the republican convention will be so void of enthusiasm that they will try anything to create a circus atmosphere befitting the clowns in the party.

(sorry... but what is good for the goose... you know the rest)

I believe the saying is "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."

Right, Mr. Romney?

I believe the saying is "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."

I believe Mr. Boehner was our resident expert on the "sauce".

Fuax outrage? LOL, that is the conservatives bread and butter, they invented "faux outrage". And anyway, I think when someone tells you they would have "used their 2nd Amendment rights to blow your brains out", any outrage you might be feeling is anything but "faux".

There we are …

SOTB stalking Feisty again

What? No speech from Ron Paul? Now I'm pissed! I was looking forward to hearing what the old fella has to say!

I guess the Koch bros don't want any distractions. One would think they'd want all the distractions they could get! Anything to distract people from whatever Romney/Ryan screw up!

Spanky,

Yep, 0.5% above expected results.

Still well below the 400k level as is the 4 week moving average.

Perhaps he will talk about his infatuation with Ayn Rand, after whom he named his son. He should probably mention Paul Ryan in this regard as well.

BWHITE -

We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why.

-NP

Good thing his focused like a laser beam on rape, education, and medicare.

These are issues that concern all Americans. The fact that you are sneering at them says more about you than it does about anything else, Spanky.

"A riot is a terrible and I think it's time we had one!"

Young Frankenstein

Obama/Bide 2012

Today Fox News published the name of a U.S. Navy SEAL who led the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound.

kevinoffsite

BWHITE -

We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why.

-NP

Yo Kev...

Over the years I have seen them in concert 9 times! THEY ROCK!

Obama 2012 - "From Hope and Change to Obfuscate and Trivialize - All in four years"

Ironic from someone who thinks that budgets going through committees is a lie.

skrekk

However, Ron Paul fully supports freedom for straight white male Christians.

And if you happen to be a straight, white, male, Christian... how would voting for him be any different than what happened when 95% of Black America voted for Obummer?

Just saying.

(Hey Dennis, again... just pointing out hypocrisy. :o)

Skip: "A riot is a terrible and I think it's time we had one!"

Social Security Administration requests 174,000 Bullets

The Social Security Administration recently posted a purchase request for 174,000 .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point bullets.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/social-security-administration-bullets_n_1797069.html

Looks like the feds are getting ready for one. Grandma might just storm the SS offices if her check doesn't show up. Those hollow points will slow her down.

Xabre

I believe Mr. Boehner was our resident expert on the "sauce".

I believe SLICK WILLIE was!

I have to ask an obvious question: When your screen name is "SickOfTheBickering", yet all you do is bicker, what does that actually mean?

FOX News: The book, "No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission That Killed Osama Bin Laden," is set to hit shelves on Sept 11. It is penned under the pseudonym "Mark Owen," according to the publisher, but multiple sources told Fox News his name is in fact Matt Bissonnette, 36, of Wrangell, Alaska.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/23/author-bin-laden-raid-insider-account-idd-could-face-legal-trouble/

SactoJD

I have to ask an obvious question: When your screen name is "SickOfTheBickering", yet all you do is bicker, what does that actually mean?

(Trumpets sound) Now you understand IRONY!

Actually, years ago when I chose this name I REALLY was sick of the bickering that I saw on this site... since then (thanks to the likes of the many posters here) I have become desensitized to it and in fact, have learned to embrace it. Now I fit right in here!

;o)

Kevin: Unus pro omnibus omnes pro uno.

Define 'sauce'.

For irony, I prefer trombone sounds... always makes me laugh.

Bickering we certainly agree on that :) New Tour coming soon.

Edward Bernays wrote the book on Propaganda but Fox "news" perfected it.

(from an article on truth-out.org)

1. Panic Mongering. This goes one step beyond simple fear mongering. With panic mongering, there is never a break from the fear. The idea is to terrify and terrorize the audience during every waking moment. From Muslims to swine flu to recession to homosexuals to immigrants to the rapture itself, the belief over at Fox seems to be that if your fight-or-flight reflexes aren't activated, you aren't alive. This of course raises the question: why terrorize your own audience? Because it is the fastest way to bypasses the rational brain. In other words, when people are afraid, they don't think rationally. And when they can't think rationally, they'll believe anything.

2. Character Assassination/Ad Hominem. Fox does not like to waste time debating the idea. Instead, they prefer a quicker route to dispensing with their opponents: go after the person's credibility, motives, intelligence, character, or, if necessary, sanity. No category of character assassination is off the table and no offense is beneath them. Fox and like-minded media figures also use ad hominem attacks not just against individuals, but entire categories of people in an effort to discredit the ideas of every person who is seen to fall into that category, e.g. "liberals," "hippies," "progressives" etc. This form of argument - if it can be called that - leaves no room for genuine debate over ideas, so by definition, it is undemocratic. Not to mention just plain crass.

3. Projection/Flipping. This one is frustrating for the viewer who is trying to actually follow the argument. It involves taking whatever underhanded tactic you're using and then accusing your opponent of doing it to you first. We see this frequently in the immigration discussion, where anti-racists are accused of racism, or in the climate change debate, where those who argue for human causes of the phenomenon are accused of not having science or facts on their side. It's often called upon when the media host finds themselves on the ropes in the debate.

4. Rewriting History. This is another way of saying that propagandists make the facts fit their worldview. The Downing Street Memos on the Iraq war were a classic example of this on a massive scale, but it happens daily and over smaller issues as well. A recent case in point is Palin's mangling of the Paul Revere ride, which Fox reporters have bent over backward to validate. Why lie about the historical facts, even when they can be demonstrated to be false? Well, because dogmatic minds actually find it easier to reject reality than to update their viewpoints. They will literally rewrite history if it serves their interests. And they'll often speak with such authority that the casual viewer will be tempted to question what they knew as fact.

5. Scapegoating/Othering. This works best when people feel insecure or scared. It's technically a form of both fear mongering and diversion, but it is so pervasive that it deserves its own category. The simple idea is that if you can find a group to blame for social or economic problems, you can then go on to a) justify violence/dehumanization of them, and b) subvert responsibility for any harm that may befall them as a result.

6. Conflating Violence With Power and Opposition to Violence With Weakness. This is more of what I'd call a "meta-frame" (a deeply held belief) than a media technique, but it is manifested in the ways news is reported constantly. For example, terms like "show of strength" are often used to describe acts of repression, such as those by the Iranian regime against the protesters in the summer of 2009. There are several concerning consequences of this form of conflation. First, it has the potential to make people feel falsely emboldened by shows of force - it can turn wars into sporting events. Secondly, especially in the context of American politics, displays of violence - whether manifested in war or debates about the Second Amendment - are seen as noble and (in an especially surreal irony) moral. Violence become synonymous with power, patriotism and piety.

7. Bullying. This is a favorite technique of several Fox commentators. That it continues to be employed demonstrates that it seems to have some efficacy. Bullying and yelling works best on people who come to the conversation with a lack of confidence, either in themselves or their grasp of the subject being discussed. The bully exploits this lack of confidence by berating the guest into submission or compliance. Often, less self-possessed people will feel shame and anxiety when being berated and the quickest way to end the immediate discomfort is to cede authority to the bully. The bully is then able to interpret that as a "win."

8. Confusion. As with the preceding technique, this one works best on an audience that is less confident and self-possessed. The idea is to deliberately confuse the argument, but insist that the logic is airtight and imply that anyone who disagrees is either too dumb or too fanatical to follow along. Less independent minds will interpret the confusion technique as a form of sophisticated thinking, thereby giving the user's claims veracity in the viewer's mind.

9. Populism. This is especially popular in election years. The speakers identifies themselves as one of "the people" and the target of their ire as an enemy of the people. The opponent is always "elitist" or a "bureaucrat" or a "government insider" or some other category that is not the people. The idea is to make the opponent harder to relate to and harder to empathize with. It often goes hand in hand with scapegoating. A common logical fallacy with populism bias when used by the right is that accused "elitists" are almost always liberals - a category of political actors who, by definition, advocate for non-elite groups.

10. Invoking the Christian God. This is similar to othering and populism. With morality politics, the idea is to declare yourself and your allies as patriots, Christians and "real Americans" (those are inseparable categories in this line of thinking) and anyone who challenges them as not. Basically, God loves Fox and Republicans and America. And hates taxes and anyone who doesn't love those other three things. Because the speaker has been benedicted by God to speak on behalf of all Americans, any challenge is perceived as immoral. It's a cheap and easy technique used by all totalitarian entities from states to cults.

11. Saturation. There are three components to effective saturation: being repetitive, being ubiquitous and being consistent. The message must be repeated cover and over, it must be everywhere and it must be shared across commentators: e.g. "Saddam has WMD." Veracity and hard data have no relationship to the efficacy of saturation. There is a psychological effect of being exposed to the same message over and over, regardless of whether it's true or if it even makes sense, e.g., "Barack Obama wasn't born in the United States." If something is said enough times, by enough people, many will come to accept it as truth. Another example is Fox's own slogan of "Fair and Balanced."

12. Disparaging Education. There is an emerging and disturbing lack of reverence for education and intellectualism in many mainstream media discourses. In fact, in some circles (e.g. Fox), higher education is often disparaged as elitist. Having a university credential is perceived by these folks as not a sign of credibility, but of a lack of it. In fact, among some commentators, evidence of intellectual prowess is treated snidely and as anti-American. Education and other evidence of being trained in critical thinking are direct threats to a hive-mind mentality, which is why they are so viscerally demeaned.

13. Guilt by Association. This is a favorite of Glenn Beck and Andrew Breitbart, both of whom have used it to decimate the careers and lives of many good people. Here's how it works: if your cousin's college roommate's uncle's ex-wife attended a dinner party back in 1984 with Gorbachev's niece's ex-boyfriend's sister, then you, by extension are a communist set on destroying America. Period.

14. Diversion. This is where, when on the ropes, the media commentator suddenly takes the debate in a weird but predictable direction to avoid accountability. This is the point in the discussion where most Fox anchors start comparing the opponent to Saul Alinsky or invoking ACORN or Media Matters, in a desperate attempt to win through guilt by association. Or they'll talk about wanting to focus on "moving forward," as though by analyzing the current state of things or God forbid, how we got to this state of things, you have no regard for the future. Any attempt to bring the discussion back to the issue at hand will likely be called deflection, an ironic use of the technique of projection/flipping.

FOX News: The book, "No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission That Killed Osama Bin Laden," is set to hit shelves on Sept 11. It is penned under the pseudonym "Mark Owen," according to the publisher, but multiple sources told Fox News his name is in fact Matt Bissonnette, 36, of Wrangell, Alaska.

NBC is doing their part too:

NBC's Mormon Special Gets No Help From Romney Campaign

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/nbc-mormon-special-romney-campaign_n_1823041.html?utm_hp_ref=media

That's odd. Back in 2008, Mr. Obama participated in NBC's Special on his religion in Jeremiah Wright's church. Oh, wait, that never happened.

And of course ABC will finish its two-part series on the "mysterious" Mormon religion on its alleged news show with Diane Sawyer tonight. Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/mormons-/story?id=17057679

My, all this interest in religion. Just for balance, its certain that NBC and ABC will devote many of their "news" shows to highlight the state of the economy before the election.

Sick and Kevin: Oh, by the way;

Alex Lifeson, the guitar player for Rush gave an interview in the June 2012 issue of High Times magazine:

Do you consider yourself a libertarian?

I think I'm a liberal. I'm certainly socially liberal. And I think government can play an important role in our lives, which libertarians don't believe.

As far as our album 2112 and the tribute to Ayn Rand - I read one of her books, but she was a little too far out for me. For Neil, it was a period in his life, and now he's kind of moved on

skrekk - However, Ron Paul fully supports freedom for straight white male Christians.

SickOfTheBickering - And if you happen to be a straight, white, male, Christian... how would voting for him be any different than what happened when 95% of Black America voted for Obummer?

The difference would be that Obama supports equal rights for all Americans while Ron Paul doesn't.

That's why this straight white male will proudly vote for Obama, and never vote for a bigot like Ron Paul. I suspect most minorities feel the same way.

kevinoffsite

Bickering we certainly agree on that :) New Tour coming soon.

Yeah... I already have tickets for Sept. 22 in St. Louis!

JAS1,

[That's odd. Back in 2008, Mr. Obama participated in NBC's Special on his religion in Jeremiah
Wright's church. Oh, wait, that never happened.]

No it didn't
instead he gave a major highly published speech about it.

skrekk

skrekk - However, Ron Paul fully supports freedom for straight white male Christians.

SickOfTheBickering - And if you happen to be a straight, white, male, Christian... how would voting for him be any different than what happened when 95% of Black America voted for Obummer?

The difference would be that Obama supports equal rights for all Americans while Ron Paul doesn't.

That's why this straight white male will proudly vote for Obama, and never vote for a bigot like Ron Paul. I suspect most minorities feel the same way.

And you COMPLETELY MISSED the point of my post. I am not questioning your choice in candidates... I am questioning the choice of those mindless drones that voted based upon his RACE. There i said it!

I was pointing out that people (many people) tend to vote for those candidates that they believe best represent their needs and beliefs. The black community did it in 2008 because they believed a black man best represented them... and everyone was fine with that - but HEY... if you are white and vote for a candidate that represents your needs and beliefs you are labelled a racist, a war-monger, a hater, a 1%er... they have lots of names for us.

Again... the point is the hypocrisy of it all. (now do you understand? probably not.)

:o)

B White-519014

Sick and Kevin: Oh, by the way;

Alex Lifeson, the guitar player for Rush gave an interview in the June 2012 issue of High Times magazine:

Do you consider yourself a libertarian?

I think I'm a liberal. I'm certainly socially liberal. And I think government can play an important role in our lives, which libertarians don't believe.

As far as our album 2112 and the tribute to Ayn Rand - I read one of her books, but she was a little too far out for me. For Neil, it was a period in his life, and now he's kind of moved on

So B.White... are we not 'allowed' to appreciate his music and artistry simply because we have differing political opinions?

Who's open minded here?

:o)

Ron Paul was the only honorable man in the race. Compared to him, there is ZERO difference between Romney and Obama

No it didn't instead he gave a major highly published speech about it.

Yeah. Barry got to give his side of the deal. After that, no examination or vetting by the main stream media was necessary.

Now lets have the media tell us all about those "mysterious" Mormons.

SickOfTheBickering - And you COMPLETELY MISSED the point of my post. I am not questioning your choice in candidates... I am questioning the choice of those mindless drones that voted based upon his RACE.

90% of blacks voted for Gore in 2000. Was that because he's white, or because he's not a member of the party of the clueless rich and the bigoted?

Sounds like you're unaware why blacks have voted overwhelmingly for a Dem in every election since the Civil Rights Act was passed. There's a reason people like Ron Paul and Mitt Romney get (almost literally) zero black votes.

Seriously, what minority would vote for a party of bigots? And what woman would vote for a party which wants her to carry the progeny of a rapist to term?

If some of the usual suspect (JAS1, Feisty Redhead, et. al.) are done with their nonsense, I'd like to give my $0.02 on the subject of the article, Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a unique character in American politics. Generally considered to be conservative, his true focus is on individual liberty and the ever present over reach of government. A rarity in Washington, DC; Ron Paul states what he believes and votes what he states.

If the GOP were wise, it would get rid of the future two time loser, Mitt Romney, and nominate Ron Paul to be its candidate for President of the United States.

Since the party is going to lose anyway, at least the election and debate would be interesting and not centered around the Tea Party's constant attempt to make the middle class poor and to kill the poor.

skrekk

Gore in 2000. Was that because he's white, or because he's not a member of the party of the clueless rich and the bigoted?

No... that was because there was no black candidate. If there had been they would have dumped Gore like... well like everyone else did.

;o)

Now Chirrins, PLAY NICE! Don't make me come over there..

SickOfTheBickering - No... that was because there was no black candidate. If there had been they would have dumped Gore like... well like everyone else did.

Odd that people like Alan Keyes and Herman Cain generally gets no black votes, just like every other teabagger. If your theory were correct that shouldn't be the case.

And you can't explain why when there's two white candidates on the ballot that blacks vote overwhelmingly for the Dem, every time. Apparently those black folks understand something people like you don't.

Looks like the correlation between black voting preference and the race of the candidate is close to nil, but the correlation to the ideology of the candidate is quite high. However, I'm not sure the same can be said about white voters - many of who seem to have a strong preference not to vote for a black person.

Seems this "book" so strongly supported by Faux may infact result in criminal Treason charges. Any member of the military has sworn an Oath of secrecy and the release of any confidential information is or may be treason. But it has already been named sci fi so it may not matter. Lord they do hate that Obama has done these things and they can't, waaa waa waa, (playground bell just rung, back to class kiddies).

Hmm falls in the line of congressmen swearing an Oath outside of the constitution and their constituents--Treason.

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Joe in Albany said: I would have used my Second Amendment right to blow my brains out with a 44 magnum many years ago

I'm sorry but you have finally crossed the line with that comment!

You are ONE SICK & TWISTED POS!

Can't wait until karma catches up to your sorry ass!

I'll be the one BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAing at YOU!

Ladies and Gentlemen,

THIS is the perfect example of FAUX OUTRAGE! AND the left's standard mode of operation!

Take something completely out of context, make false accusations, then fake total outrage... finally, call the person a POS!

Nicely done, Fisty!

(now show me the clown nose, you POS!) (sorry... but what is good for the goose... you know the rest)

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Pretty lame attempt at propaganda Sick. Looks like you took Feisty's name and tacked it onto anothers comment. For being so sure of your chances at the polls in November, you will go to any lengths to try swaying people to your line of thinking. The truth will always win.

As far as this former Young Republican who voted for Reagan, Nixon and Goldwater, is concerned the party is dead and it will be a funeral, not a convention. The people I worked for and voted for would now be called liberal in this sick party!

Who's Ron Paul?

kevinoffsite

Take Government out of Big Business's and the bad ones would be gone very quickly.

and as examples of RESPOSIBLE corporations, I give you AIG, Enron, Lehman Bros, Columbia/HCA, WorldCom, ValuJet Airlines, Halliburton, Countrywide...and the list goes on...

Obama 2012/Romney 1040

Ron Paul, may he continue to reek havoc on the republican't party. His views to make all illegal drugs legal takes the cake. Sort of like the other republican nut who says women have super human powers to prevent pregnancy from rape if they think hard enough.

Obama/Biden 2012

The real reason Romney chose Paul Ryan as his running mate: they hoped to fool Ron Paul supporters into falling in line by being able to say, "Look. R., Paul is on the ticket!"

dirp

Ron Paul is a unique character in American politics. Generally considered to be conservative, his true focus is on individual liberty

Ron Paul is another hypocrite who subscribes to "legitimate rape" ideology - or honest rape - or whatever the Republican word de jour for rape is.

If Ron Paul was trully for individual liberty, he would not try to force government regulations on women's vaginas.

Swallow-2813582

...or Jane Fonda and other celebs committing treason. F*ck You Hanoi Jane!

So Ron Paul will be speaking. It's interesting to note who won't even be there --- Sarah Palin won't be there. George W. Bush won't be there. Dick Cheney won't be there. George H. Bush won't be there. Newt Gingrich won't be there. It seems the Republicans want us to forget all about their past disasters.

JoAnnaSmith1

My, all this interest in religion. Just for balance, its certain that NBC and ABC will devote many of their "news" shows to highlight the state of the economy before the election.

The GOP has already done their part on religion. Haven't they already introduced 55 bills in this session of congress alone on religion?

As for the GOP: Definitely get out there and support Ron Paul. Maybe you can do a write in campaign on his behalf?

I think it said that Ron Paul will not be speaking but his son Rand will be.

Romney steals what he wants.

Some questions have simple answers. I said simple answers not simplistic ones. So the questions are these: 1. If your wife or daughter was raped would you want the child of the your wife's or daughter's rapist at your diner table everyday? 2. How do you stop women from traveling abroad to get a abortion? Do you want a whole new government agency (a uterine TSA) to check and test women so they don't leave the US to get a abortion? You willing to fund that with your tax dollars? Do we in prison women for murder who get a abortion after it is made illegal? 3. Are you willing to allow a polluting industry to ruin your drinking water and destroy your life because the EPA was shut down? Do you trust big business more than big government? 4. Is it right that on $20 million dollars a year income a millionaire pays 13% taxes while you pay 30% on less than 1/300 of the millionaires income? 5. Do you think that all health care should be rationed on the ability to pay? Including care for the retired and aged? What if you can't pay? 6. When social security and medicare are dismantled how will your parents fair? How will you? You love your parents so will they be living with you? 7. Do you support a third 10 year long war fought by American men and women in the middle east? Will you, your children, or your grandchildren go to fight in it? 8. Can a candidate who's entire body of work has left laidoff workers, destroyed lives and ravaged communities behind really be a job creator? 9. Do you support the idea of freedom of religion for some and not others? What if your religion isn't the right one? Will your candidate take the oath of office on the Bible or the Book of Mormon? 10. Does your candidate have a history of amending tax returns to change history? Claiming to live in one state for the beneficial tax laws then claiming to have lived in another when caught in a illegal residency scandal retroactively. Keeping complete and whole control of a company and profiting from it then retroactively filing tax returns claiming to have surrendered control when questions of business activity come up. Does he hide his tax returns from the public? How does retroactive documents and no releasing documents square with honest and open government?

OK, I'm white, and I will vote Republican and follow the "laws of the bible" which most liberals seem to think suck. I'm not a religious zelot....but a woman who can pick and choose for myself who serves my needs best and perhaps those of what used to be a "free" country. Go ahead and vote for BO...and see how many more freedoms we lose. Really, "Fast & Furious", excutive power, 2nd amendment almost gone. Divide and conquer is BO'S motto...written by a very famous communist, person. He wants to own your backside and here everyone is ...just as he wants..divided and fighting...but not for the free American and strong country that we used to be. Wait and see, if he is elected again, our credit rating will end up in the toilet, as it's already been downgraded, and so will we all be...little sheep following. And for the record...I am far, far from being rich, but I want no handouts. What I have I have earned, and it's not much, but I'm proud for it! P.S. Why is it that people listen to actors who don't know crap about politics. Everyone complaining about rich (hahaha) Republican's and Romney's wife's horse. I believe some actress is speaking at the DNC whose wedding cost more than I'll make in a lifetime; oh and she's already divorced. Such dribble. If only Republican's were rich, then who is Obama getting all his money from...oh wait, I read some "pro-drug" dude gave a fundraiser for him.

To Devil's Son (yes, I think you might be) Hiding documents..now that's RICH. Every school transcript, and many things have been hidden for, oh what, 5 - 6 years on the current president?

"“Everybody that I’ve dealt with has been very approachable, very friendly and it’s amazing. The Republicans in this country have really shifted from the Bush era … and are taking constitutional- and liberty-minded principles very seriously.”

If this wasn't such a serious matter the quoted statement above would be very funny. This guy is a total ignorant idiot. The Republicans are not and haven't been for liberty for a long time, if ever...........OH--except maybe for wealthy and the Religious Right nuts. According to him, only those two groups should have freedom/rights and they are the only ones who are important enough to have any say so in anything related to this country's laws.......

Glenda,

Go seek mental health. Good thing for you ObamaCare(s) was passed. Sounds like you will need help for a long, long time.

Where oh where is stinky... Stinky Redhead?? I smell her.

bayllie

If Ron Paul was trully for individual liberty, he would not try to force government regulations on women's vaginas.

Hmmm, so you're one of the limp-wristed bobblehead Libbies who demand government stay out of the bedroom and women's vaginas, right?

But in the same breath you demand that government mandate that women's contraceptives be paid for by someone else to be used in the bedroom.

Hypocrite!

JimSpence - But in the same breath you demand that government mandate that women's contraceptives be paid for by someone else to be used in the bedroom.

More like it should be covered by the health insurance premium that woman already pays, and the religious views of her employer shouldn't trump her own religious views.

I find the fixation on Ron and Rand Paul a good example of how radical the GOP has become and how much the Republican "brand" has been destroyed.

Ron and Rand Paul are not even Republicans. Both are Libertarians running as Republicans. Ron and Rand Paul substantially wrote the Libertarian Party Platform. You can read it here: www.lp.org/platform So many people profess to be followers of the Pauls, but don't seem to realize what the Libertarians stand for. The Pauls believe strongly in recreational drug and prostitution legalization, pro-same-sex and pro-plural marriage, pro-choice, jury nullification, any form of gun control up to and including private ownership of tanks and AAA guns, government trade controls such as customs and tariffs, cessation of eminent domain, free markets and a lack of regulation as the answer to pollution & climate change, any government regulation of energy resources, abolition of income tax and payroll taxes, abolition of all regulation of industry, funding of education (including college) by parents alone, abolition of Social Security & Medicare & Medicaid & the Veterans' Administration, abolition of all state regulation of banking and insurance, opposition to the draft (even in wartime), ending all economic and military aid (including that to Israel), advocacy for complete opening of borders to immigration except for immigrants who pose security health or property threats, advocacy for referendums as a way of overturning acts of Congress, and lots more.

These Libertarian "ideals" are bizarre in their lack of any mechanism to repair a bridge, aid a person who has a stroke and cannot work, regulate air traffic, explore Mars, or control disease. The Libertarian assumption is that between charities, free markets, and deregulation potholes will magically fix themselves.

At least they are leaving out the really stupid idea to return to the gold standard (impossible) or to abolish the Federal Reserve System for the current platform.

Libertarians are soooooo far to the right that they are actually technically liberals (hence the confusion in the minds of the couple of posters who mixed up Liberals and Libertarians and the one who thought the Pauls were Libertines.

And the Republican brand has come to stand for little that is constructive that the Pauls just fit right in. When the GOP made the strategic decision to close the "big tent" and make itself the party of old white southern fundamentalist christian men and later the choice to become an instrument of the Tea Party and behind-the-scenes lever-pullers, they destroyed the Party of Lincoln beyond salvage.

When Eisenhower ran for re-election, the GOP could count on 70+% of the African-American vote, around 65% of the Latino vote, nearly 100% of the GLTB (remember the Log Cabin Republicans?) vote, and close to 70% of the Roman Catholic vote. In order to try to capture the disaffected southerners angry about civil rights legislation, the big tent had to be emptied of most people who considered themselves Republican as defined under Eisenhower's second term.

The GOP support of women as equals was stopped, as was support for unions, consumer protections,

You can read the 1956 GOP Platform for yourself:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838

It espoused "the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: 'The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well
for themselves, Government ought not to interfere.'"

Eisenhower further counseled that: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative." Eisenhower warned repeatedly about the "military-industrial complex" (he actually coined the phrase) and the concerns for a gigantic standing military that would always find "enemies" to fight.

To accomodate the Tea Party all Republicans who were moderates or liberals (including Romney's father) have been so stigmatized for acting on their conscience that they are being forced from the party.

It makes exactly as much sense to have Ron and Rand Paul at the Republican convention with their espousal of radical leftist policies as it does for so-called fundamentalist christians to praise the religion of a presidential candidate with six grandmothers.

JimSpence

Hmmm, so you're one of the limp-wristed bobblehead Libbies who demand government stay out of the bedroom and women's vaginas, right?

yes, my vagina is my business and Romney, Ryan, and the rest of the Republicans (especially male) have no business regulating my vagina. If you and the Republicans are so obsessed with private parts, go regulate penises.

But in the same breath you demand that government mandate that women's contraceptives be paid for by someone else to be used in the bedroom.

yes for many reasons:

1. birth control is way cheaper than unwanted pregnancy. It also helps the woman decide when and if she wants a baby. Whether is due to financial or emotional reasons.

2. going back to children, why do Republicans want to dump the kids once they are born? Do you realize that some states (mostly Republicans) have up 25% uninsured children? Why cut eductaion? Why do Republicans care more about unborn children than those already born.

3. Birth control is used for medical purposes - not just birth control: reduce the risk of ovarian cancer, help with severe abdominal cramps, help with acne, etc.

4. Obama is not forcing you to take birth control, is he? What Obama is doing is making it available for those who WANT IT and that includes husbands' and wives' health insurance policies.

5. Something like 98% of Catholic women have used or are currently using birth control but if a woman decides not to use birth control, she has the right not to -NO ONE IS FORCING HER.

6. It's 2012, get over it. Viagra has been covered for a long time so it's time to treat women eqaully as men.

mandate that women's contraceptives be paid for by someone else to be used in the bedroom.

this statement is extra ignorant because we all pay for something we don't use: I don't use viagra, why should I pay for someone else's? I don't use high pressure meds, why should I pay for someone else's? I don't even use birth control pills but I have no problem with every woman in this country having access to them.

I also have paid for my health insurance premium every single week since I turned 18. Every single week. Why should I pay for the deadbeats that choose not to have insurance and use ER as their primary care and stick me with a bill whether through higher premiums or through my taxes?

Get off the birth control pill issue -which is non-issue - and go take care of the kids that are unwanted. What have you done to help kids that need medical attention but have no insurance? Have you fostered any kids that have no homes?

skrekk

More like it should be covered by the health insurance premium that woman already pays, and the religious views of her employer shouldn't trump her own religious views.

exactly - what the Republicans are saying is that the employer's religious views are more important than the religious views (or atheist views) of its many employees.

We cannot discriminate against employees based on their religion (or non-religion) but we can allow employers to decide what medical coverage they will ALLOW?

I wonder how many of these Republican hypocrites gave up their evil, socialist, taxpayer sponsored health insurance - that's right -NONE.

Chris-749391

The Democratic Party evolved from Anti-Federalist factions that opposed the fiscal policies of Alexander Hamilton in the early 1790s. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison organized these factions into theDemocratic-Republican Party. The party favored states' rights and strict adherence to the Constitution; it opposed a national bank and wealthy, moneyed interests. The Democratic-Republican Party ascended to power in the election of 1800.

Yes, Ideas so radical that they have been around for over two hundred years, including those ideas held by the founders of this once great country, and the Democratic Party that has strayed so far from their creation that they wouldn't even recognize themselves. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison are rolling over in their graves given the atrocities done to what they created.

When the masses are allowed to vote themselves pay increases, it will be the end of the republic. 17 Trillion in debt, well on the way.

Ron Paul 2012

Check out the tenets of Anton Levay's, Church of Satan, and then compare it to the tenets of Libertarianism. It is almost identical. Don't believe me. See it for yourself.

Jim Spence,

So you are one of the bobblehead conservative do nothings and say, "No" to everything then blame the president for doing nothing. This former Young Republican can only see doom and gloom for such a FOX infected brain!

You probably think that trickle down economics worked in the past and a 4O% cut in taxes for the rich will do the same thing it did with bush? Vote the party of ignorance then!

Bayllie. You would be right on many of the issues that you pointed out. I agree with your statement about Obama "not forcing someone to take birth control"...but he is forcing me to pay for it.

And no I don't believe Viagra should paid for by taxpayers either.

rusthand

but he is forcing me to pay for it.

just like I'm forced to pay for things I don't use. we are all forced to pay for things we don't use. I don't want to pay for Oxycontin for some anti-birth control pill hypocrite radio host, yet he had no problem getting it prescibed for his addiction.. what if that offends my religion?

By the way, have you ever used prescriptions in your lifetime? I'll bet I never used any or most of them so why am being forced to pay for something I don't use but you do?

What if blood transfusions are against my religion, or transplants? why not take them out of the health insurance coverage because that offends my religion.

I can keep going on. Something could always offend someone's religion but that religion should not trump everyone's else access to it - especially something like birth control!

bayllie

First of all, Viagra is used for a medical condition, erectile dysfunction. Contraceptives are used for a lifestyle.

1. Abstinence is much cheaper and safer than BCP’s. So are condoms, diaphragms, spermicidals and other forms of contraception.
2. If you have the baby you are responsible for it. If you don’t want the responsibility don’t take the risk.
3. Birth control is NOT used for medical purposes. Bitrh control is used to prevent pregnancy. Medication is used to for medical purposes. If you have dysmenorrhea, hypermennorhea, PCOS, hirsutism or other MEDICAL problems the doctor should and will prescribe an oral contraceptive to treat the medical problem. If you want to use it as a method for prevention of pregnancy that is a lifestyle decision NOT A MEDICAL PURPOSE!
4. It is available, I know of 6 local pharmacies that offer generic contraceptives for under $20 a month. Nowhere near the $3,000 for 4 years that Ms. Flunk alleges.
5. I have no problem if you or every woman on the planet wants to use it, if you use it as a lifestyle preventative, you and everyone else should pay for it.
6. Viagra is used for a medical condition, erectile dysfunction. Again, if there is a medical condition that requires it there should be coverage that helps, with a co-pay.

You don’t pay for anyone else’s Viagra, blood pressure meds or any others, the person pays for it via their insurance premiums and co-pays.

We have 4 beautiful children. We never used contraceptives. We educated ourselves and learned when it was safe to have sex and when it wasn’t. We had all 4 children when WE decided to have them not when our emotions decided. This is an unknown virtue most Liberals don’t accept, it’s called responsibility.

You Libbies need to realize there are things in life you want that you may not get, there are also things you need, that’s when family, community, church and safety nets are appropriate.

Oh, by the way, 2 of our children are adopted.

What have you done?

Romney/Ryan 2012 for real Americans

rusthand

but he is forcing me to pay for it.

That is called living in a society... everyone pays for s*** they don't like.

Let's look at your life. Do you smoke? Because we will have to pay for your medical expense when it tears up your lungs. Do you chew tobacco? Same thing. How much do you weigh, are you fat? Did you know that obesity of one of the leading medical issues in our country... so if you are fat, we have to pay for your medical care. Is your wife fat? And when I say fat, I mean 5 lbs or more overweight. Do you drink? What kind of food do you eat? Did you CHOOSE to have kids?

See, I can pick apart your life and literally find hundreds of things that will lead to poor health, and thus we will have to pay for you.

I don't want to pay for fat people, even if they are just 5 lbs over weight. I don't want to pay for smokers, or viagra, or dippers. And I especially don't want to pay for ANYTHING related to your children, including any medical bills. You better be in pristine shape... I by that, I mean you better be a f***ing perfect example of physical fitness. Otherwise I have to pay for something to help you, and I don't want to do that.

So if you want to complain about paying for birth control, I get to pick your life apart and complain about every little thing that you require medical care for.

Roosterboy

So, If you are a deist like most of the founders who believed that their was a creator, but played no part in our day to day lives(which I believe is very apparent), how far is that from a satanist who shares the same beliefs. So, if you are a devout christian, that is okay? Because it is mainstream phsychobabble?

You see, I don't need anyone telling me how to live or what they want to take from me because I do. I don't need a government spying on me and forcing what they believe to be right down my throat. I don't believe that what I have worked for should be others property unless I choose it to be. I think I should be the best person I can be for myself and mine. If I am satan, so be it. I don't believe that crap, or christianity for that matter.

There a few reasons why people find faith in god. They get scared. They have children and feel responsible to raise them in a faith because it is the social norm. Or they are old and would like to believe and guarantee an afterlife, after they have spent their life defying most of the rules of said faith. Religion is hypocrisy in its truest form.

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Starsailing: I could care less about Romney's tax returns. I know he is rich, I know his wife owns a third share in a horse and if it were that easy to be rich I guess all of us on this site would be rich and cruising on our yachts instead of sitting here acting like attack dogs. Not me....YOU.

Oh and you democrats, or as I like to call you, libtard's.....If your beloved party consistently campaigns for the "underdog" or the "less fortunate" "impoverished citizens", why do we still have hunger in this country? Why do the poor keep getting poorer? Wake up and realize it's a game. Democrats pander to the minorities to get in office, they really don't care about them and then they forget about them once their in. Stop your ignorance and wake up!!

clwyd-2621393

You probably think that trickle down economics worked in the past and a 4O% cut in taxes for the rich will do the same thing it did with bush?

Hmmmmm, it depends which trickle-down you mean.

If you mean Reagans that prevented us from sliding further into an inevitable Depression because of your boy-toy Jimmy Cahhhtahhh's malaise stagflation, and created 92 months of uninterrupted growth. That’s almost 31 quarters. The longest peacetime expansion EVER!

Then yes I do.

Now, if you you mean Brokeback Barrack Husseins trickle-down, no I don't.

You poor thing, you probably don't even know Barrack Hussein had a trickle-down do you? You know, when he poured that $863 billion dollar $timulu$ hoax into the top of the government and expected it to trickle-down to all those "shovel ready" jobs.

You remember, the "shovel ready" jobs that Barrack Hussein and the "Job Outsourcer Czar", GE CEO Jeff Immelt, laughed in your face about and said "Shovel-ready was not as ... uh .. shovel-ready as we expected." Did you erupt in laughter when you heard that? Funny wasn't it? Your own president laughing at you for believing his lie.

Anyway, NO the Barrack hussein trickle-down was, and still is, an abysmal failure.

Now, as far as your obvious attempt to dismiss the Bush tax cuts. I guess you missed yesterdays story, which by the way was covered quite significantly right here on PMSNBC, when the CBO showed that, "Revenues in 2007 were $2.568 trillion or 18.5 percent of GDP".

You do realize that historically our tax system generates revenues at about 18.4% of GDP regardless of the tax rate. So, this means the mean, nasty, unfair, Bush tax cuts do generate th erevenue we see i all our tax brackets. "GULP", how can that be? You limp-wristed Libbies keep telling us the Bush tax cuts are bad and they have to be paid for. I'm sure you can explain that, right?

If not I'll refer you to--Office of Management and Budget, Historical Tables, Table 1.3 whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/historicals--where it shows how Bush's revenues increased and even exceeded your boy Billy "Blue Dress" Clintons best year in 2000 WITH his higher tax rates. I'm sure you can answer that also.

Here's the link in case you want to read up on it.

I won't hold my breath though.

Try to keep up Spanky.

Romney/Ryan 2012 for real Americans

BTW, I don't buy your faux "Young Republican" nonsense for a second, tell it to your friends in your basement.

Georgie937

Good post!

It never ceases to amaze me how the indoctrinated unwashed masses in the Liberal/Progressive cabal can be so angry, so hateful, so bitter and envious of the successful.

I dooubt many of them grew up wishing to be poor or middleclass. I doubt any of them bought a "Get Poor Quick" book or a "Get Middle-Class Quick" book. But I bet they have bought a "Get Rich Quick" book or read some related article online. I bet they all went out last week and bought at least one of those $320 million Power-Ball tickets.

It's sad to see so many Americans cowering in their insecurity and self-pity. They accept no responsibility for their problems. None of their agonies are attributable to faults or failings of their own, not to poor choices, bad habits, faulty judgment, wishful thinking, lack of ambition, low frustration tolerance, mental illness or defects in character. None of the victims’ plight is caused by failure to plan for the future or learn from experience.

It's always some bogeyman that they fabricate in their mind. The rich, corporations, capitalists, imperialists, the powerful, the selfish and of course the "GREEDY"!

Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn, its people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned.

I'll vote for anyone who will try to improve my standard of living ...without destroying someone else’s!

Romney/Ryan 2012 for real Americans

Georgie

It has nothing to do with Romney being a rich man. The question about the tax returns is, did he pay his fair share to help support our great nation? If he kept his money in tax shelters over-seas, the answer is no. That means that you and I paid for the roads, military salaries, schools, etc and he did not. I have a hard time supporting a man that wants to be president if he cannot support our country.

"if it were that easy to be rich I guess all of us on this site would be rich". I prefer that you work HARD to be BORN with $50 Million, like Romney!

JimSpence

First of all, Viagra is used for a medical condition, erectile dysfunction. Contraceptives are used for a lifestyle.

and there it is ladies and gentlemen: viagra good - pill bad.

birth control fixes: If you have had ovarian cysts, you might be given the pill to help keep new ones from forming. Your clinician might also prescribe the pill to help with symptoms of premenstrual syndrome (PMS), such as mood changes or migraine headaches. A small number of women also have blood disorders that the pill can help treat; the pill reduces the risk of ovarian cancer; it helps with severe painful periods/cramps, Heavy or irregular periods, Acne, too much hair growth, etc.

Just like Viagra was created to treat erectile dysfunction but might may have potential for treating several other conditions.

According to you, a married couple deciding to PLAN their family is a lifestyle? Or a college/highschool kid BEING RESPONSIBLE instead of getting pregnant at 16-17-18 years old is bad????

Either way, and as I said, we should ban blood transfusions and transplants because those are offensive to a religion.

Also, since you feel strongly about not paying for something YOU don't use, can the rest of us get a refund for things we didn't use?

And I will ask again, what have you done to help the unwanted kids so far? Or do you just flap your gums about the "evil" birth control pill?

jim spence, My Econ. book says "Trickle down economics is a ploy by the rich to gain them tax breaks and wealth using the works "Trickle down" to achieve their means. It has never worked that way and will not work to bring economic benefits to any group or economic system! Fox has done a number on your power to think and reason!

Jim Spence,

You may not buy it, but it is true. It was a hell of a long time ago when I was young and stupid. I walked door to door for Nixon, Goldwater and Ronny. Then you grow up and see how corrupt the republican party has become and you get the heck out. I've said it before, Nixon, Goldwater and Reagan would be labeled Liberals by the standards of the nuts now leading the republican party! Cry Baby Bonehead is probably the worst. The House has produced the least activity and legislation in history. We need to toss them all out. The republicans, of course!

I hope they'll pass vote !!! brave soul...

Government is not your benefactor or your Daddy, your boss or the bully on the corner who steals your crap. States rights. Individual liberty. It's none of your business what other people believe. It's none of their business what you believe. Freedom guarantees your right to be different. My money is my money and if you want to use some it's to promote freedom and stability, not dependency and control. Stop pretending the Dem party is not hiding behind a mask of benevolence and that the Rep party isn't pretending they are morally superior. It's the same thing dressed up in different clothes. Quit pretending you think war sucks unless you are willing to quit making up reasons why a portion of your own American family isn't the target you want to kill. Control. The presidency isn't about changing up the rules to placate some and diminish the others. Control. The simple 'rules' under law cover your unalienable right to your freedom, not the manipulation to take it away. Control. Abortion is on you. Religion is on you. 'Fix me' isn't Freedom under government, it's control. 'Help me' is what you ask of another person or yourself or your God - that's your option. Half of all Americans are not bad. Half of all Americans are not good. What will it take to make American's happy again? It's under your control. Take it back. Ron Paul.

Alim: The Obama supporters will vote their 'stash.' Bought and paid for votes. The Romney supporters will vote their fear of Obama and his 'redistribution' schemes. What is tragic is that no one really realizes or wants to understand what you just wrote and you nailed it. It is about control and power and saying and doing whatever it takes to get there.

I'm old enough to have seen this progression for many elections. Progressivism is a cancer and it is pervasive in all politicans, whether they claim it or not. Progressivism is manifest in massive government and overwhelming government control. The people, especially the young people, have been indoctrinated into believing that Government is God. They worship government, they look to government to solve their problems and take care of them. Self reliance is eschewed and discouraged, can't have people thinking or acting for themselves, they must follow government mandates and control.

What will be interesting is watching the whole thing implode financially. The government is preparing for civil unrest and looking to control a population that is going to explode when it discovers that the government isn't going to take care of them, that there is no food or security available to all. It will be Katrina in New Orleans on a national scale and it will be ugly.

I may disagree with Ron Paul's politics but I have to give him credit...unlike the presumptive GOP nominee, he at least believes in something and stands for something.

I'm just pleased that none of the major networks are going to cover pampered princess Annie's fawning over the mannequin she sleeps with!

It would be MOST difficult to keep my dinner down! ;o)

Wonder if she'll be wagging her finger at the cameras?

Rand Paul is sure to deliver a red meat speech and the tone will be rancid.

Rand Paul is sure to deliver a red meat speech and the tone will be rancid.

Is there an over/under for the time of the first racist or sexist remark yet? Has someone formed a pool already?

Magic underwear and new gold standard plated freedom credits as trademark. Of course it will be a tax free shelter, no, a taxfree haven, no, a religious church... Keep your investments guys.

Romney showed where his allegiance is not with the people of America, but with the Mormon church. Mormon church is a state within a state. Taxfree. And redstate people thinking Obama destroyed the USA must look more to the powerhouse to which Romney is voluntarily paying over 10% of his income. But the tax for the USA he is trying to avoid like a cat does avoid the water.

MGrinder

Romney showed where his allegiance is not with the people of America, but with the Mormon church. Mormon church is a state within a state. Taxfree. And redstate people thinking Obama destroyed the USA must look more to the powerhouse to which Romney is voluntarily paying over 10% of his income. ...

WOW! Discriminate much? What about double standards you hypocrite?

The very things you are saying about Romney's religious affiliation were also said back in the 60's about Kennedy being a Catholic. Small, close-minded people were sure that the Pope would be running the country.

But now it is widely believed that Kennedy was one of our greatest presidents... at least by you libbies, right?

Think about it, little person!

(clown nose please...)

I would vote for Ron Paul before I would vote for any other republican that is alive today. Ron Paul is not an empty suit, he truly stands for what he believes in and can't be bought, that is very rare in todays republican party. I am not much on the Ayn Rand philosophy of no regulation on big business, but I do feel we need to tone down the regualtion on private citizens.

Small, close-minded people were sure that the Pope would be running the country.

And Santorum seemed to do an excellent job at reinforcing that notion.

Sick: Wow! Talk about name calling. You have no idea what grinders feelings ara about JFK. We do know that the millions Romney has given to the church (at their insistence) goes toward political causes-such as supporting efforts to ban gays. Take away all tax deductions for "religious instsitutions".

I think the Democrats would prefer you not help them..

You sure got yourself a bad case of Feisty Fever! lol

I want to thank you again for your unsolicited advice, but if it's all the same to you... I'm a not going anywhere!

PS: Acquaint yourself with the "ignore author" feature & stop your stalking!

Da Noid - I may disagree with Ron Paul's politics but I have to give him credit...unlike the presumptive GOP nominee, he at least believes in something and stands for something.

He stands for a nation unencumbered by troublesome things like the 14th Amendment, equal protection, and the Incorporation Doctrine. Ron Paul is a neoconfederate and doesn't think the bill of rights should apply to the states.

B White-519014

Sick: Wow! Talk about name calling. You have no idea what grinders feelings ara about JFK.

I am sorry my friend... but do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I made no comments about grinder's feelings re. JFK... I was talking about widely accepted national opinion.

I starting to get tired of continually having to spell out the key point of my posts for you. Take the post you picked on and ask your mom to explain it.

If you want to continue picking fights... perhaps you could find a topic that you can understand... you know... something like Thomas The Tank Engine or something.

Organizing this little get-together between the Ron Paul faction and the rest of the GOP / TP / I_Hate_Obama crowd is like arranging a party between multiple wings of the local insane asylum. Better make sure there are plenty of "dinner jackets" - the white ones with lots of straps - and meds available.

Let's see, Romney Ryan 2012, you'realoser, yup, I agree.

So SOTB why is Kennedy considered one of the greatest presidents? Because he suported trickle down economics? Or was it because he wanted to take a way a women's right to choose? Oh I know it because he wanted to make medicare into a voucher system... no that isn't it either. And exactly who is Ron Paul endorsing for President? I don't think it is Mittens

"The very things you are saying about Romney's religious affiliation were also said back in the 60's about Kennedy being a Catholic."

Hey -- I have NO problem with Romney being a Mormon. As far as I'm concerned -- that a positive. But my question is why is he running from it? Why is he running away from just about everything in his past? Why won't he talk about his time as governor? Why won't he talk about Romney-care? Why won't he talk about Bain?? I seems that Romney is scared to death to allow the public to know who the real Romney is.

Most of Romney’s past contradicts what he is saying today. And other than Romneycare, he was a disaster as governor. Infrastructure crumbling and 47^th in job creation. And he can’t boast about Romneycare. He pretty much has to run from his past.

Feisty there are those of us who choose to comment and create conversations, you are not one of those. Your just a party loud mouth with nothing new to add. Fact is I vote independent but I'm a registered Democrat and I don't see anything about your post as adding to the conversation.

Your post are annoying, nothing more, nothing less. In the future I will ignore you.

Next week 16 T. and steal no jobs were are all the jobs Mr Obama.

mike ritter deerhunt1, 2.21:

What a short memory you have, the Republican billionaires have sent all of them overseas to to get cheap labor and avoid paying taxes.

B WHITE is one of the three musketeers?

The most absolute laughable/tragic issue with the Pauls is their apparently sincere belief that the country could return to the gold standard. Obviously the Pauls have no sense or history and have no working calculator.

The reason this country went off the gold standard was because the US economy was ceasing to expand in the early 1900's for the simple reason that there was not enough gold-backed currency in circulation. So in order to be able to just have enough money in circulation for the economy to grow, we went to fractional currency, meaning that each dollar was partially backed by gold. This didn't even last until the end of WWI. The fractions kept being reduced from 80% down to under 10%. Then silver was added and the currency was fractionally based on both gold and silver. But by the time the Great Depression came, even with an economy that was in the crapper, the fractions had to be reduced to the point where finally it was based on silver with gold as a "convenience" secondary backing. But finally Nixon eliminated all prescious metal backing of the dollar since the pretense of metallic backing was approaching zero.

The fact of the matter is that if the US could confiscate all the gold, silver, platinum, and rare earth metals in the entire world (including such things as jewelry and gold used in manufacturing) there will still not be enough to power the US economy. The shortfall would be around 35% or so. In other words, even if the US could somehow get all the prescious metals in the world, it would still not be enough to back the dollar fully. This is simple calculator math, but it is really shocking how many people actually stupidly believe that we could somehow return to a gold standard.

And the Pauls have also been instrumental in dishing out false information about the Federal Reserve System (of which they apparently have no real understanding of its functions.) For example, both Pauls constantly rail about the Fed "printing money." The Fed does not and never has printed money. The Department of the Treasury controlls the printing or money and does so only on Congressional dictates and without consulting the Fed. Printing of additional money is necessary to keep pace with the growing population and the growing GDP. What the Fed does is to pull money from circulation (that's the "reserves" part) or put money previously withdrawn back into curculation. This is done primarily to control inflation. If the Fed were acting precipitously in terms of monetary policy, there would be inflation to show for it. But since the Bush Depression began the inflation rate has fallen into the "unhealthy" range of less than 2%.

When people try to stick up for the Pauls, I just take it as proof that they have no ability to digest complex/compound issues and will fall for the simplest possible solutions, even if the "solutions" are impossible or based entirely on mis-information. It's kind of like the gold company that Glen Beck shills for. This company is actually a scam that plays on the fact that everyone has heard "which is heavier, a pound of feathers or a pound of gold" question, but have absolutely no concept of the answer or how it might be used to scam them.

The Pauls even oppose daylight savings time and mandatory smoke detectors in hotels.

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Oh Feisty!! You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO classy. You even attack a woman who has Multiple Sclerosis and overcame breast cancer. You really are an f-ing dirt bag aren't you??? You pathetic piece of s--t.

If America is 31% Democrat, 29% Republican, and 38% Independent and 47% of Independent's like Ron Paul, is it logical (for both sides) to keep calling us crazy cultists?

Georgie - are you saying that all people with MS and who have overcome breast cancer are good people? Or bad people? Or?? What does that have to do with anything? From reading your post, I think you might be eating too much red meat. Try fish and vegetables for 30 days.

@GS hermit: yes, it is because Ron Paul is the self annoited leader of a cult with crazy beliefs. And Rand Paul is being groomed to take over the family business. Looks like a crazy cult to me.... and most other people too.

Ursula?

Wow, just wow.

The Fed is actually audited every year. What the Libertarians are after is the transcripts of Fed meetings, which are held in confidence to promote "open dialogue." You can argue whether or not this is a good thing or an appropriate thing.

dslsca, the Fed "audits" you speak of do nothing to tell us what foreign currencies, securities, or other assets were bought with newly created dollars that dilute the value of ours. They do nothing to tell us which journals, scholars, and even media organizations have been bought off to help polish their image while they dilute our dollars. They are not audits in anything resembling the true sense of the word. We hear nothing of the systemic risks they create until it's too late. We know nothing of their possible participation in propping up markets that then become sham markets, devoid of true market information. To what extent are interest rates set by supply and non-Fed demand for government bonds? You simply don't know. The Fed has far too much power to have any justification not to be forced to make public all its dirty laundry. Otherwise, selective access to that information by Mr. Corzine and other unindicted felons allows then to rip off you and me on an ongoing basis.

The Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned corporation. You have no more right to know the assets they own, what decisions they make, who they speak to, or what they have for lunch than you do the local mom & pop restaurant or any other private business.

If you do not like the idea of the Federal Reserve, write to your Congressman. Have the US government nationalize the FED.

/Sarc/ I'm sure having the world's largest and most important financial institution under the direct control of the US Congress would be a good idea. They have done such a good job with the rest of the economy, particularly in the last two years, that they should be able to handle this with no problem. /end sarcasm.

Some of these comments here make me realize things still need to get worse before they get better for people to understand that FED/income tax scam that is nearing it's 100 year anniversary.

Ron Paul 2012!

Die, Spanky, die. You obviously did not have an intelligent or informed answer for Ursula, which proves to me that you actually had no idea how to answer it, therefore your comment was to make Ursula out to be an idiot(I don't believe that, Urs !) and yourself out to be the smart one. Guess what? You succeeded in only making yourself look as ignorant as you sound on a daily basis. Why don't you go "spank" it somewhere else. I am really very tired of your type coming on this site with nothing of substance to offer but hate, racism, bigotry, and pure ignorance. Your limited foray into anything approaching an intelligent answer is stupid at best. Oh how I wish that Fox Entertainment would allow you folks back to their site.

Ursula,

well they'll probably bring in Walmart, if they submit the lowest bid and the Chinese can spare a few accountants

How very timely is Mother Nature, descending on the repub/tparty's convention.

The best welcome, compliments of Ruth's List supporting Democratic women, is the billboard:

"WELCOME TO TAMPA! WHERE THE MAYOR AND ALL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE

DEMOCRATICS. Enjoy your visit!"

What a coup. Thank you Ruth's list supporters.

Just a little Tampa humor for the convention . . . .

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/billboard-greets-rnc-guests-welcome-tampa-city-run-democrats

This GOP convention is gonna be a showcase of the disorganized and angry. Fantastic entertainment. Mitt is hoping that a republican intellectual will show him what he stands for. Republican intellectual...lol

Mockingbyrd - Republican Intellectual - an oxymoron if I ever saw one!

Layton-3733410

Just a little Tampa humor for the convention . . . .

Thanks for posting that. i got a chuckle out of it... (Go Bucs!)

You're welcome Tza ... and well, our teams are NFC South rivals ... so good we can agree here! Geaux Saints! ;-)

No Seeking the biggest oxymoron is 'intelligent liberal'.

Or, how about 'working liberal'?

Or maybe 'nice liberal'

Or my favorite 'attractive liberal'.

Ron Paul and Todd Akin have pretty much the same misogynistic views on abortion. Both want Roe v Wade repealed, both support a "personhood amendment" to give zygotes the legal rights of citizens.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-ron-paul-signs-personhood-pledge-reservations

Actually right after the Akin flap, Ron Paul issued a statement on facebook to the effect that he was very disappointed by Akins comment and how incorrect it was.

@ skrekk

Why is it that Robert Byrd (KKK) was such a prominent Democrat (the grand wizard himself there to make sure blacks stay on the Democrat entitlement plantation by design) and the New Black Panther Party (a Federal Govt supported hate group that can threaten and say anything to continue to "divide and conquer" Americans.....while the GOVT chooses only to go after a Marine on Facebook that threatens IT...?

Clearly, the GOVT and Obummer agree that its okay if people threaten, beat up and harm each other, but they draw the line when people threaten the GOVT

More hypocrisy that is actually pervaded in the LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE mentality....

Let the People Hate on each other....but DO NOT let the People Hate on the GOVT.....

krhnoparty - Why is it that Robert Byrd (KKK) was such a prominent Democrat

Byrd renounced his racist views long ago, unlike Dixiecrats like Jesse Helms who simply became Republicans.

There's a reason there are so very few blacks in the GOP today. It's the same reason birthers and other racists tend to be Republicans.

MonkeyMo - Actually right after the Akin flap, Ron Paul issued a statement on facebook to the effect that he was very disappointed by Akins comment and how incorrect it was.

Citation please? In fact Ron Paul fully agrees with Akin's position on abortion and issued a "no comment" when he was asked about it:

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/abortion/244587-ron-paul-no-comment-on-akin-remarks

The only place where they differ is that Paul might allow emergency contraception after a rape, while Akin would not.

In the latest Rasmussen poll (and Rasmussen is notoriously a conservative shill, but it's the only post-Akin MO Senate poll), Claire M is up 10 points.

538, which has been very accurate the past several elections has President Obama with 294 electoral votes and Romney with 243....President Obama with a 66.7% chance of winning, Romney with a 33.3% chance of winning.

Rasmussen has always been right leaning...so take any of their polls with a shaker of salt.

Politico has 3 major polls all showing President Obama ahead from 1 - 4 points.

Go ahead Cont....cling to one article about how Mitt can win the election if it makes you feel better.

Contempt Me, on Aug 23, 2008, Rasmussen and Gallup both had Obama and McCain in a tie. Today, they have Obama and Romney tied. You can disagree with other pollsters' methods, but it would appear they do a better job of predicting the election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

there will be surprises on election night for sure.

How about something from the super liberal left leading Huffington Post this morning?

You mean this?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map

Or this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/mitt-romney-tea-party-michael-grunwald_n_1824757.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Or this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/national-hispanic-leadership-agenda-republican-immigration_n_1823284.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

The Huffington Post ran the article. However, they have the following Electoral Vote Count set so far as.

Obama 247 needs 23 more
Romney 191 needs 79 more

Toss Up States:

Colorado 9
Iowa 6
Wisconsin 10
Ohio 18
Virginia 13
North Carolina 15
Florida 29

Job1: Quoting Huffington Post is like quoting Fox... All lies.

Fox lies, Yes. However, Huffington Post Truth!

Even Claire McCaskil isn't buying the Rasmussen poll. The liberal leaning PPP shows Akin with a one point lead. McCaskill tweeted "Rasmussen poll made me laugh out loud. If anyone believes that, I just turned 29. Sneaky stuff."

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, the popular theory is that Rasmussen is working with GOP leaders to pressure Akin to drop out of the race. “Everyone knows that Rasmussen is a tool of the Republican establishment in Washington,” Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee press secretary Shripal Shah told The Hill.

It is a very difficult poll to believe.

http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/244959-sen-mccaskill-rasmussen-poll-made-me-laugh-out-loud

Give me a break with politician speaking differently to different crowds.

1. How about Obama using a different accent when he speaks to a mainly black crowd.

2. Biden trying to sound like a black gospel preacher when he talks about chains. Also, Biden is a hack. He makes over $250,000 and gives $2,500 to charity. He just likes giving other peoples money away. Not his.

Open your eyes. Both sides do it. Look at what is real. Not what you read or hear from the outlets you like.

The Guys in Colorado had better re-calculate their data because their string is about to end, like the SC Republican Primary pattern winner always getting the winner nod at their convention.

Nate has it

Toss Up States:

Colorado 9 58.2 Chance Obama Wins
Iowa 6 62.0 Chance Obama Wins
Wisconsin 10 71.1 Chance Obama Wins
Ohio 18 64.2 Chance Obama Wins
Virginia 13 63.1 Chance Obama Wins
North Carolina 15 70.7 Chance Romney Wins
Florida 29 54.4 Chance Romney Wins

And we can't forget Bjob1 stinking it up!!!!

Rush Limbaugh is blaming hurricane Isaac on Obama.

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981573692

Limbaugh apparently thinks that the Obama administration is behind the media coverage of the storm, and it is all part of an effort to rid the country of the Republican party.

Despite how outlandish the claim seems, Limbaugh said on his program Wednesday that "The National Hurricane Center, a government agency, (is) very hopeful that the hurricane gets near Tampa." This is because, according to Limbaugh, "The National Hurricane Center is Obama. The National Weather Service is part of the Commerce Department," he says. "It's Obama."

Yep, Obama whipped up hurricane Isaac just as he caused the earthquakes in Iran. Don't mess with Obama! He wasn't born in Hawaii or Kenya. He was born on another planet and sent here to save the earth from the republicans. You should see him when he takes his human outfit off. Really scary!

Yea, he may get mad and eat some more dog, smoke some more pot, or do more cocaine... Sweet little Kenya boy that became president.

bead: Did not read the article...did you....just spewed nonsense. Ron Paul will be speaking in Tampa....but not at the RNC.....take a few minutes and read before you comment.

Rand Paul is speaking at the convention. Ron Paul is holding a separate rally in Tampa.

Ok repubs say it with me now "Write in Ron Paul 2012"!

I'm sure he read the article but then he has to get down here and open up a box to type is comments. By then, he forgot what he read.

Oh yeah, I did read what MSNBC wrote, "Ron Paul will not be speaking at the RNC". I guess the real question here is: When are you TV-brainwashed halfwits going to realize that MSNBC is blowing smoke up your azzes? Sorry to disillusion you, but Rand Paul and RON PAUL will be speaking at the RNC. Don't you get tired of having a bunch of liars and media cons at MSNBC lie to you all the time? I guess not. HaHaHa. What a bucket of simple pudding you gullible knotheads are! Wake up!!!!

We have not let him since the 70's... Thanks

Maybe, just maybe, if Johnson gets enough support, the backroom cigar-smokers who saw to it that the "most electable" candidate won the primaries will get the message.

LOL luke, but true.

Steelman, I agree so much with you. Paul is the only one I have EVER given money to. The only one I ever believed in. He could turn this country around, but they are scared of him. They don't want a "boat rocker."

Agreed! the only one DESERVING of my vote in quite a LONG time.

RP-2012

So you guys are going to write in Ron Paul right? Or are you just talking him up? I would like to know

Steelman: how appropriate that you mention Themopylae. A few points to remember about that epic battle. #1, the Spartans lost. #2, The Spartan surrender of self to the state is exactly the opposite of what Ron Paul espouses. #3. The Spartans were entirely against the personal increase in wealth, to the point where to be Spartan is synonymous with being extremely frugal, almost exactly the opposite of the modern Republican Party. #4 The Spartans lost.

BREAKING NEWS ON WWW.GAWKER.COM ROMNEYS FINANCES BUSTE WIDE OPEN

http://gawker.com/5937299/inside-mitt-romneys-tax+dodging-cayman-schemes

starfalling....Is that ALL you guys have got? NOBODY but you care about the tax issue and Romneys finances from the past. You and your libtard gang need to worry about your messiahs true faith and the wrong path he's leading us to be slaughtered!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 time to save America!!

obama has already lost!!! LOL....chicken?! Figures!! Greasy Mama, your party must love you! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Romney/Ryan 2012!!

It's very, very important to Mittens that he is not associated with what went on at Bain from 1999 to 2002.

That's when Bain invested in the baby-blender company.

If it came out that he was actually leading the company when they began to profit from cleaning up after abortions, it would be like punching the entire religious right in the stomach. They'd abandon ship, and he'd lose for sure.

Hey Robert, who is your favorite communist after Obama? Marx? Stalin? Lenin? Castro? Mao? Chavez? You slugs are so pathetic. :0}

assjoe

slug? really? I am not an extremist who wants to force my religion, my beliefs and my way of life on others so I am a slug? Wow...

It seems you mistakenly included our American President in your list of communist. What a great American you are, LOL...

Slow down a bit joe the plumber, I am not a liberal or condervative, I am an American, one that has never voted like a sheep down party lines, I use my brain when I vote. I am an Independent, you know the 40% of registered voters independents...

Gay American

Sorry to have to inform you but the following will NOT be allowed to speak at the Miami, Florida GOP Convention...

• Ron Paul (Who has delegates and did NOT suspend his GOP Primary campaign like the others)
• George W. Bush (1 of only 2 former GOP presidents still alive)
• George H.W. Bush (1 of only 2 former GOP presidents still alive)
• Dick Cheney
• Sarah Palin
• Newt Gingrich
• Donald Trump (although his hairpiece will be allowed to mumble)

Hope you are not too disappointed, but look at the bright side...

LOTS and LOTS of Retirees and Seniors will be standing outside Convention Hall protesting that little whipper-snapper Ryan who wants to take away their Social Security, Medicare and other earned benefits!

Oh, and God may make an appearance via his Hurricane Isaac, because he's really really p-o'd at how the GOPs have been pandering to the Gays!

Let's be honest people!

• The real reason Chris Christie is the Keynote Speaker at the GOP Convention is because ...

Snooki turned them down..

And remember

This GOPera is all over when The Fat Christie sings!

Okay, you had me hysterical at the hairpiece! You are soooo awesome!

I am so glad that at least one sensible person appreciates these comments. Thank you A-Girl!!!

• BARACK TO THE FUTURE!!!!

The intellectuals must always stick together!

BARACK TO THE FUTURE!!!.........AND BEYOND!

Thanks again, as always, for providing the comic relief that the stick in the mud nutbaggers will never get!

WOW....that exchange just showed us your ages....now go barack to watching sponge bob!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!

Romney/Ryan 2012

unoitall is just further proof that she/he and other Rightys like him/her have had intellectual lobotomies as required by their GOP Mullahs, so they are now incapable of posting anything but insults and pre-written Party Talking Points.

(These are also the same folks who have also undergone humor-ectomies! Which would certainly explain how easy it is for The GOP Mullahs to control them.)

That's all you've got, kool-aid drinker? Nice try?!

the truth is the Tea Party Decimated the Republican Party Last Election. The Democrats lost some seats but the entire republican party has bent to the point of not being recognizable because of the Tea Party. The Republican Party of Ronald Reagan and even George W. Bush is all but non existent any longer.

Unless the Republicans take back their party and force the Tea to become a third party we can kiss moderates goodbye... All we are going to have left are extremist on one side or the other, no compromise, nothing gets done and America stays in crisis.

True Grass Roots Tea Party folks actually share some of the same ideology as moderate democrats and they were almost in line with the 99% Occupy Wall Street people, just different views of the same problem.

Is this the same Tea Party that claims they are "taxed enough already" yet support Romney's tax plan which will RAISE taxes by an average of $2,000 per person for 98% of Americans?

Oh I see kalesi you want Romney to steal yet one more thing. Paul's energy and his supporters enthusiastic support. Sorry but that is why they support Paul and not Romney in the first place.

Yes, Cameron, that would be the same.

And their birth certificates! Wasn't that the big hoopla last time around? That anyone running for president HAS to prove they were born here? Yet neither Romney nor Ryan -- and indeed none of the earlier GOP candidates -- have done so.

Oh, and their college transcripts! Since that seems to be the thing they are going after Obama this time around for some reason, despite the fact that anything that would be in a college transcript would have NO impact on one's eligibility or ability to be president one way or the other.

But come on, Republicans! You raise a stink to see Obama's, so, well, let's see yours!

Quick question my friend... since everyone around here wants to know what our names mean...

What exactly does YOUR name mean?

Are you a noncommittal coward or just a bag-o-p1$$

Just kidding old buddy old pal... really like your avatar!

:o)

Then no one would speak at the Demadork convention..Lmao

Paul just needs a image consultant, like all the other narcissistic politicians. He actually had some good ideas about a smaller federal government and state rights. The further we remove ourselves from DC, the better.

Bad points were he's to old to be Prez and foriegn policy.

He has terrible ideas. Most economists agree that it would be a disaster to return to the gold standard, since governments have to be able to deficit spend during recessions. He wants to eliminate the Civil Rights Act, undo the Clean Water Act, meat and food inspection, and that's just in a few seconds of thinking.

If it were 1890, Ron Paul might have some pretty good ideas.

Clotho, why don't you actually research a little before you start spewing nonsense - it will make you more credible.

Yeah Clotho way to flaunt your ignorance around lol.

mess with the bull...get Leslie Gored......

Joe...does your trailer have a basement....?? and more importantly...are you in a controlled environment ?? Let's hope.....

When a person hides something in their past, they are hiding it for a reason. Romney, let us see your tax returns. What in the hell are you hiding?.

Fixed.

Joe - the foreigner ignorance, again? At what point do you just grow up?

Obama/Biden 2012

College transcripts are not required as a pre-requisite for running for office, including the office of President. Nor have they ever been required.

Tax returns, on the other hand....

Also, Romney is a hypocrite. When he ran against Ted Kennedy in 1994, he made a huge deal about Kennedy not releasing his tax returns. Now he tells us we've "seen all we need to see", and that we should just trust him.

You know if you righties did not trip so hard on Obama's bith cert. everyone else might give mittens a break on his tax returns. You all set the precedent.

That slug will never show us his college transcripts. He has spent more to cover it up than Democrates will make in three lifetimes.lol

SRAGAN I don't care for Obama at all but I do respect the privacy act of 1974 under which college transcripts do fall under. These documents are not "sealed" like they would be if a court ordered them to be hidden from the public. They are merely protected by the Privacy Act and can not be disclosed without the permission of the person to whom they belong (in this case Obama). There is way too much B.S. flying around the internet that is meant to discredit both presidential candidates so it is best to do a little research before making ascertians that can't be backed up with facts.

Rand Paul, Paul Rayn (intentional misspelling). The disciples of Ayn Rand will be thick on the ground in Tampa. At least until the hurricane hits....

Good news is..."Mitt is a well lubricated weather vane"...(Jon Huntsman 2012)

Well, just so long as the candidates aren't flip-flopping around when the weather kicks up...

I wonder if the Obama campaign is waiting until October to start playing clips of the Republican primary, where all the Republicans were saying awful, nasty things about Romney not ready to be President.