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Vice President Joe Biden greets Lawrence Smith, 8, and Madison King, 9, both of Van Buren Township, Mich., during a campaign stop at Renaissance High School, Wednesday, Aug. 22, 2012, in Detroit.
DETROIT -- For Joe Biden, all politics is personal, from his relationships with past presidents to the little white lies his siblings told their ailing mother.
Campaigning Wednesday in famously recession-ravaged Michigan, Biden bemoaned the consequences of the GOP ticket's plans for Medicare and said that their proposed changes would exacerbate the sacrifices already made by families on behalf of their elderly relatives.
Noting that he and his siblings have been financially successful, the vice president offered the delicate details of his family members combining financial resources to care for mother Catherine "Jean" Biden, who died in 2010 at the age of 92.
"It was still a struggle to take care of all my mom's bills," he told a crowd of over a thousand at Renaissance High School. "We were able to do it, no complaint, it was an honor. But you know what it did, we had to lie to my mom and tell her, 'No honey, this is all covered by your Medicare, this is all covered by the sale of your home,' which it wasn't."
"Because do you know any parent who wants to be a burden for their children?" he added, arguing that the "voucherization" of Medicare proposed under the Ryan budget would further hurt the elderly's abilities to cover their own expenses.
The vice president, who commonly cites his personal friendship with President Barack Obama, compared the current leader of the free world with the gaggle of other commanders-in-chief he says he's known personally.
"I've known eight presidents, three of them intimately," noted the six-term senator after citing the "four to six hours a day" he typically spends with Obama. "I have never once in the difficult decisions he's had to make heard him ask me or anyone else 'what are the politics of this for me?'"
Perhaps the most resonant endorsement of the Obama ticket on Wednesday came not from Biden but from his introducer, 17-year old Olympic gold medalist Claressa Shields, a boxer from Flint, Mich.
Paul Sancya / AP
Vice President Joe Biden introduces Olympic boxing gold medalist Claressa Shields during a campaign stop at Renaissance High School, Wednesday, Aug. 22, 2012, in Detroit.
"It's pretty cool knowing when you represent your country, you've got a president and a vice president who represent you," said Shields, who was greeted with wild applause. "We've had tough times in Michigan, but we never give up. We just get up and keep going."
That message - and Shield's famed toughness - were echoed by Biden as he praised the Motor City's resilience.
"My dad used to say the measure of a man or woman wasn't whether they got knocked down but how quickly they got back up," he said. "And guess what? Detroit's getting back up!"
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If you like Groupon, you're gonna love the Vulture/Voucher plan!
I'll ask again, if this is such an awesome plan, why isn't it going to be implemented for everyone?
Why exempt those 65 and over?
Just think of the savings we could start accumulating immediately instead of waiting another 10 years...
Ryan/Akin 2012 - Representing compassionate, conservative, Christians, one vagina at a time!
So what are the latest poll results in blue Michigan these days?
Yep, bailing out GM was a fantastic idea. Looking pretty grim for us tax payers on this 'investment.'
"intimately?"
Really Joe, that what you wanted to say?
Dude really could use an MRI. Something is clearly wrong with the dude noggin.
LOVE IT.
The working class love Biden. It's a good thing Obama saved the automobile industry, because Republicans sure as heck wouldn't have.
The fact checks on Medicare make Romney's plan out to be a laughing stock, or not, as it would end Medicare in 2016.
The fact checks on Welfare make Romney out to be a liar. What is he going to do in the debates, lie some more?
Romney/Ryan taking Americans back to the 50's one voucher at a time.
The whole automobile industry was saved?
Really.
Do you have any idea how many brands are made in the US? How many of the cars made here are GM?
He bailed out GM and Chrysler. Prey tell, what percentage of the 'whole' industry is that?
Oh and which is doing better right now - Ford or GM?
Now, why is that you suppose?
"Dude really could use an MRI. Something is clearly wrong with the dude noggin."
Hey, Spanks, that's a total laugh riot. Gosh, I'll bet if I said something like that about Ann Romney's MS, you'd be all ROFLMAO, huh?
"Biden's brush with death came two decades ago, just months after he gave up his own campaign for president. Biden, who had suffered headaches for weeks, found himself with a headache so severe that he lay down in a fetal position, then passed out for five hours. Upon awakening, he made it to a hospital, where doctors discovered a ruptured aneurysm -- a condition so severe that a priest said he was called in to administer the last rites.
A brain aneurysm is a bulging blood vessel, which occurs when a spot in the vessel weakens and blood pressure forces it out like a balloon. A ruptured aneurysm is generally extremely painful -- many doctors say it is typically the most painful headache you'll ever experience.
About half of all ruptured aneurysms prove fatal, and many others lead to lifelong disability. Neurosurgeons at Walter Reed Hospital were able to save Biden's life by putting a metal clip on the artery to stop the bleeding. Biden also survived a blood clot that lodged in his lung as he recuperated.
Through screening, a second aneurysm was discovered a few months later and surgically removed before it burst."
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-20/health/biden.health_1_second-aneurysm-biden-s-republican-joe-biden?_s=PM:HEALTH
Man, good times.....eh Spanky? Got any more side-splitters like that one?
Is there anyone SpankMe doesn't denigrate?
If he's not belittling someone who words hard as a receptionist, he's vilifying "fatties"!
Little dude has one "wicked" sense of humor and I don't mean that as a compliment!
How are the poll results in Massachusetts, Romney's home state and the state he governed? It looks grim for Willard. If he can't take his own state how can he possibly expect to take the rest of the country?
Obama vs. Romney, Massachusetts = Obama +18.7 points
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ma/massachusetts_romney_vs_obama-1804.html
Obama vs. Romney, Michigan = Obama +5.4 points
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/mi/michigan_romney_vs_obama-1811.html
Feisty, the implementation for those over 65 will come in a few years. They will bill it as "reform" in the interest of "fairness,"
To Spanky, you are absolutely right! Obama sadly was unable to rescue Packard, Studebaker and Willard's favorite, Rambler.
An hour late and still no takes... eh?
Al,
Old Willard is a "rambler" alright... lol
Spanky-
So what are the latest poll results in blue Michigan these days?
Yep, bailing out GM was a fantastic idea. Looking pretty grim for us tax payers on this 'investment.'
Spanky,
You can say some of the dumbest things.
BTW: You helped build that. Now you can affectionately in your own freakish way kiss that fetish you have bye. It's all good now.
Government Motors is doing just fine and you helped build it.
Thanks
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Michael D. Higgins, the President of Ireland, kicking some Tea Party a$$. Pass it along! It is awsome!
http://www.upworthy.com/a-tea-partier-decided-to-pick-a-fight-with-a-foreign-president-it-didnt-go-so-we
Is there anyone SpankMe doesn't denigrate?
I wonder if Spanky treats the customers at the convenience store, he works at, that way?
Delicious Bayllie!
I'm on it! ;o)
Higgins has a terrific gift for oratory, doesn't he? Sadly, the teabagger against whom he was arguing found it difficult to squeeze out, "but...but...but..."
If Obummercare is such a great plan, why does it take over 6 years to implement? Oh yes, and lets not forget most of the taxes go in to effect AFTER Novembers elections. How convienent. Raped Medicare, institute $500 billion in new taxes and STILL the exteme poor who work for a company with less than 50 employees will pay a fine and still not have health insurance. Oh yes, the saviors plan is just great. Read the fine print (I'm sure Pelosi still hasn't read it).
Depends on who you ask. If it's the Det News, i'm sure they'll have Willard leading. But let's look past polls and jump into the real world. There is no way in hell Romney will win this state. Yes, the 'billies' in the UP and northern LP will go red for sure, but that's about 10% of the population. The rest of the state is, including the Metro Detroit Area is a favorable shade of blue. They know what this president did for the auto industry and will reward him with their votes. They also know that Mitt abandoned his home state to make his fortune elsewhere. He's not popular here at all.
Didn't you get the memo? Ann Romney said Willard was running for President to "save" America. Willard is your saviour! Of course, since Obama did pass Romneycare, I guess your question is still pertinent, just needs to be directed at Willard.
Our troops want Bush & Cheney back so they can stop getting KILLED...... What has Barry done about his "smart" war? NOTHING..... and his leadership is getting our troops KILLED faster any other time since VIETNAM....... What do you think BARRY? Are you going to let them loose to take care of business or keep playing golf while our troops DIE?
You're lying. Bush illegally invaded Iraq resulting in the deaths of thousands of our brave troops solely for the purpose of stealing their oil and to allow Cheney to award gigantic no-bid contracts to Halliburton. There isn't a soldier anywhere in a war zone who wishes Bush were back in office.
Why is Biden in Michigan? Michigan wasn't one of the swing states was it? Apparently, Houston, we have a problem!
Sailcat
We had every right to enforce UN Resolutions. We created the UN and we pay the lions share of the bills in the UN. The UN was becoming obsolete if we didn't step in. If the UN becomes useless then all the Billions we stuck in it are wasted, just like the Billions we sunk into the League of Nations.
I'll ask again, if this is such an awesome plan, why isn't it going to be implemented for everyone?
Why exempt those 65 and over?
This simple answer to this Fiesty is because those that are 55 and older have already paid into a system of promises to be covered by Medicare. They paid their taxes their entire life and should be given what they are promised. Why are you so opposed to this plan. The Ryan plan gives people the choice to choose traditional medicare or the voucher system. If you still want the traditional plan, then take it. But what does it matter for you if someone like me in his early 30's wants a different plan and has a good amount of life left to plan for retirement and actually have a choice when I retire. Right now my only choice would be to pay into the plan my entire working life, and when I retire enroll in Medicare or not. Obviously, if I do not enroll, I forgo my taxes that I paid into it. So, I'll ask you, why are you so opposed to the younger generations having a choice of how we collect on the benefits we pay into for our entire adult working lives?
Just read that the U.S. govt upped its ante to the GM/Chrysler bailout due to the stock price decline. Had Obama let them go into chapter 11 and come out leaner and meaner, the U.S. people through the government would not have had to put in one penny.
Fact is that between the two of them Obama and Biden, there is not one good idea for a progressive government think tank to get U.S.A. up and competitive again. Obama doesn't want to improve the education system and Biden doesn't know how.
When I sent Obama a letter to form a committee to study the top 20 highschools that get all their seniors into four year colleges two years ago, I got a nice form letter back. As far as any action, I believe someone in the white house uses comments from U.S. citizens as toilet paper.
The fantastic Union Prep Charter Academy which has only failed black students get every graduating senior into an accredited four year academy with a cost of $11,000. Camden NJ High School is 50% black and 50% Latino and get 5% of its students into college and it costs NJ $23,000 per student per year to turn out failures. And the federal government is where?
Good thing we have a business person now in charge of the government with Biden one heartbeat away. Everyone remember how Biden got suckered on the Swedish electric car plant for Delaware?
You really what this nincompoop one heartbeat from running the U.S.A.?
At least microsoft had the brains to cut and run from nbc's "PROGRESSIVE" adventure is news reporting. Something is rotten when nbc interns are in charge of headline stores and don't know the difference between water slides and airplane emergency slides.
We pay of the UN so we own it? And in your mind that justifies invading a sovereign nation to steal their oil? I cannot imagine a worse reason for invading a country, even one headed by an @!$%# like Hussein, and your damnable comments are typical of right wing cowards and thieves. Shame.
Sailcat
If you had any in depth understanding of the problem you would know that there is no other company in the world with the ability to do the size of work they do. Basically, it is a CAN'T BID issue.
Furthermore, Clinton used Haliburtin just as much and also ran all contracts on a no-bid basis, and not one peep from your side.
tonybeeerm The current president upped your taxes and interfered with the natural progression of cutting out dead wood. What was it reported that the U.S. Government has to pay more as GM and Chrysler stock prices fall again?
There comes a time to step back and cut and run. Obama is playing with your money. He got his kitty and guaranteed health care, his book sales, his pension and he has his guaranteed investments. He needs you like a hole in the head. I still want to see his education records. Did you elect a dope who just got by or an idiot who took gut classes?
Sailcat
The UN was formed for two purposes.
!) Get nations to work together to avoid wars.
2) Allow us to get more money to countries in need without us giving it directly.
What it is becoming is an institution that would rule over the world, a way to leverage more wealth from the US, and spread the empires of super power wannabees.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
An hour late and still no takes... eh?
That's because the majority of us work during the day and can't take the time to post anymore. Unlike you who seems to have all the time in the world to post all day long.
Baylie
Good stuff. Thanks for the link,
Beverly,
You certainly summed it up...GOVERNMENT MOTORS!! How appropriate that the individuals that invested in GM bonds are wiped out entirely, while the president was bought off by the union... Classic case of failure! Ask yourself why is GM not the world's leader in autos anymore? By every measure they have fallen into the same symptoms that lead to their demise (and why they shouldn't have been saved in the first place).
Baylie... Excellent link..I enjoyed that VERY much..
We had a choice between helping out GM or no automobile industry at all. I don't like GM either but am for the bailout in order to keep all of the support industries going. Otherwise Ford would have gone under too.
That is the point you shortsighted Mr. Magoos keep missing.
Tell me, how many car companies are in Japan? 5? 6?
How many in Korea? 2?
How many in Germany? 5?
How many in Italy? 5?
How many in France? 3?
How many in Sweden? 2?
How many in the USA if we had done what Romneyhood and you want us to do? 0 That is correct. Zero ca companies building cars in America.
Ponder that Pinkie.
miklit,
Well..you must be a fortune teller, since you can predict that we would have no car companies. But let me ask you this, why is Toyota #1? Why are all the other foreign car companies gaining in popularity?? Gee...could it be because they are offering cars that American buyers want? GM should have gone under, if for no other reason than economics of not being able to compete in the car industry (especially an industry that they helped create). When will you "mcgoos" realize that companies go out of business all the time because of poor management, poor quality, not listening to their customers... So let me ask you this...if the fast food industry took a dive would you want to bail out McDonald's?
Being 53 yo and paying into the system since I was 16, I would be one of the first to get shafted with Romney / Ryan plan.
I just don't think that's fair - pulling a number out of the air, "you get benefits - you don't"
Screw them.
Romney's the problem...not the solution.
So why ain't JOe out there talking up all the good Obama has done?
Bailouts, Stimulus, cutting the deficit in half, closing Gitmo, shovel ready jobs.......?
So much great, positive accomplishments to go with, and all poor old Joe can do is 'bemoan stuff.
Huh. Might be an insight there, or two.
He was right to bemoan it. It was made clear today that Romney's plan to re-expand Medicare Advantage would cost seniors more and bankrupt Medicare by 2016.
Romney/Ryan taking Americans back to the 50's one voucher at a time.
earache ,,like obama taking America into bankruptcy, a trillion plus a year at a time, or into complete unemployment depression at light speed, or turning the American political system into a no class sewer of a joke ,everyday from here to November?
Biden does not know what State he is in and he wants to talk about something as complex as Medicare reform. The man is a joke !!
He is the best life insurance policy that Obama could buy.
Joe doesn't have to speak about the shovel ready jobs in Michigan. We are veritably stumbling over them every time we leave the house.
There is so much work going on it's amazing.
mj
With "so much work going on it's amazing." how come the Unemployment rate for Michigan has gone from 8.6% in June to 9.0% in July??
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST26000003
But Michigan is such a sucky place to live. Right now there's plenty of jobs because it's summer time. Wait until January 15th when the temperatures are at 15 below and your spit freezes before it hits the ground. Growing up in Buffalo... summers were great for employment... winters, not so good.
Pardon me for asking, but doesn't that say those are preliminary figures? And do explain all those months that it's gone down before that. From a high of 14+% down below 9% is quite an improvement. Looks like your spin didn't spin very well.
I could tell you where to stick it, and i'm sure you know that spot well, so you wont have to search for it.
R&R for the R&R
(Romney & Ryan for the Rich & Richer!)
Give President Obama and VP Biden 4 More Years!...
...and a Democratic House and Senate...
...and Detroit will be financially fit as a fiddle in no time...
...After all, it's the low-life racist, white supremacist, obstructionist Republican-T-Party Confederates in the US House and Senate...
...and their operatives in Lansing, and the surrounding suburbs...
...who are keeping Detroit's economy from picking up steam...
%age of Blacks...
...voting for lying,tax cheating, legitimate/forcible rapists Ryan/Romney...
0
...that's ZERO!
...Now,
...who's inferior?
Toney
How do you explain:
April 2012--8.3%
May 2012--8.5%
June 2012--8.6%
Please answer that set of data.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST26000003
If there is "so much work going on it's amazing.",why is the Unemployment rate been going UP for the last 3 months??
Joe Biden, Mr. Credit Card.
You can't trust either party, they both are funded by corporations and the rich generally.
Maryland, which Biden used to represent, is home to a lot of credit card companies.
Under their benevolent influence Biden voted for the Bankruptcy "reform" bill back in 2005 which made it much harder to get out of debt for the average american but kept the protections that they used have for corporations declaring bankruptcy.
Here's something I found online about the Medicare issue:
Obama and Romney's phony Medicare debate
By Kate Randall
22 August 2012
With less than three months to Election Day, the presumptive presidential candidates of the two big business parties in the US are accusing each other of targeting Medicare for drastic cuts and placing the government-run health care program for the elderly in jeopardy. The truth is that the policies of Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both pose grave dangers to Medicare—a program currently depended upon by some 50 million American seniors.
As always, in the arena of US electoral politics, the class issues are blurred by the candidates themselves and their media parrots. The Democratic president and his Republican opponent each attempts to strike a pose as the defender of the "middle class"—in this case, Medicare recipients. While an examination of their policies shows differences in how they intend to go about assaulting Medicare—and the speed with which the attack is to be mounted—both candidates agree that the cutbacks are necessary in order to "save" the program.
In the recent period, the Romney camp has gone on the offensive, denouncing the cutbacks to Medicare included as part of the Obama-backed health care bill signed into law in March 2010. Under the Affordable Care Act, $716 billion would be cut from 2013 to 2022 through reducing payments to hospitals, doctors, nursing homes, Medicare Advantage HMOs and other health care providers. The savings are to go toward funding subsidy for qualified individuals, who will be required to purchase private insurance on "exchanges," or pay a penalty.
The White House claims that this gargantuan cut will result in better care for seniors. Through the setting up of accountable care organizations (ACOs) and the Independent Payment Advisory Board, "unnecessary" and "wasteful" treatments and procedures will be targeted for rationing and elimination. The long-term vision is to move away from traditional "fee for service" payments to a system where health care providers would be budgeted a fixed amount for the care of each patient.
It is a testament to the retrograde nature of the Obama health care overhaul that the Republicans can posture as champions of Medicare. As Romney's running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, commented to Fox News last week, "We are the ones who are not raiding Medicare to pay for Obamacare."
What the Republicans are proposing, however, is to transform the government administered health insurance program into a "premium support" system—a voucher plan where government spending would be repackaged as a fixed-amount benefit for seniors to purchase insurance. In an effort to court senior voters, Romney insists that current Medicare recipients, and people currently 55 and older, would still be covered under traditional Medicare.
As the Republican campaign website describes it: "Mitt Romney has laid out the approach he would take to modernizing America's entitlement programs, guaranteeing their continued vitality for future generations." For Medicare, this "continued vitality" will consist of a market-driven model where Medicare will compete as an option for seniors' voucher dollars against private insurers. Medicare will continue as a viable option to the extent that "its efficiency and quality compares to that offered by other providers in the marketplace," according to the web site.
The Romney site asserts that "Lower income seniors in the future will receive the most generous benefits to ensure that they are able to get care every bit as good as that provided in the current Medicare program," then adds, "Future seniors will be able to enjoy the savings from selecting less expensive plans, or choose to pay more for costlier options."
In other words, older Americans facing the choice between paying for health insurance and other basic necessities—such as food, housing and utilities—would inevitably end up with the inferior plans. And this is where the similarities between the Obama health care reform and Romney's proposals begin to come into focus. Both are aimed at establishing a class-based health insurance system whereby medical care is cut and rationed for ordinary Americans, while the wealthy continue to pay for the best medical services, treatments and medicines out of pocket.
While denouncing Obama's plan for cutting $716 billion over a decade, Romney's web site speaks favorably of a bipartisan proposal for Medicare that includes similar cutbacks. Under the plan drafted by Paul Ryan and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, individuals would purchase private insurance using government-subsidized vouchers. The Ryan-Wyden proposal also includes more than $700 billion in cuts to Medicare. Romney has cynically dodged the question as to how this squares with his vow to immediately restore Obama's proposed Medicare cutbacks if he is elected, and how this would be in keeping with his pledge to gut federal spending on social programs.
The crossover between the Affordable Care Act and Romney's proposals for Medicare—the billions in dollars in cutbacks, the purchase of insurance on "exchanges," the funneling of money to private insurers, the cut-rate plans that would be imposed on working people—exposes the bipartisan attack that is being prepared against not only Medicare, but Social Security and other New Deal programs enacted in the 1930s.
Whichever party wins the White House, and whatever the party configuration of Congress, the new year will see an escalating assault not only on social programs, but on the working and living conditions of the American population. While corporations continue to amass record profits and CEOs haul in obscene amounts of cash, the political establishment and its media backers insist there is "no money" for vital programs such as Medicare.
Under conditions of widening social inequality in America, the policies of the Democrats and Republicans become even more closely aligned, and neither party can offer any solutions to the social crisis. The phony debate over Medicare serves as a warning of the austerity and class-war policies being prepared by the ruling elite.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/medi-a22.shtml
Brianb,
I guess politics isn't the only thing you're ignorant about. This is not Buffalo. It doesn't get that cold and it doesn't snow as much as Buffalo. I suppose you think the weather is the same everywhere, goes very well with your flat-earth theory. You are a credit to your kind, an effing tard that will rant about something they don't know @!$%# about. Congrats, I would provide you with proof that you were wrong, but you would just claim they were from some "liberal" source. We all know how the National Weather Service is partisan /s/.
Spanky is a major league "Christian" azzhole.
California is doing its part by creating more jobs than any other state in June-July.
What is holding back you slackers in the red states?
A 50 year study has shown that at the state level Democrats are historically better at managing the economy than republicons.
From The Atlantic:
The Atlantic Home
Taxes, Spending, and the Politics of Economic Growth
By Richard Florida
Tweet in Share May 9 2011, 12:10 PM ET 7 A new report seems to support the spending philosophy of liberal governors
With the U.S. economic recovery apparently stalling and perhaps headed for a double dip, the debate among economic policy makers about what to do is heating up. The right says it's time to embrace fiscal prudence, to cut spending and pay off debt. On the left, there are calls for continued spending to offset reduced private investment.
A new study by Tulane's James Alm and Janet Rogers of Nevada's Department of Budget and Planning (h/t Ryan Avent, whose deadpan tweet noted that it was likely to spark a "lively discussion") takes a close look at the effects of tax and spending policies at the state level. Entitled "Do State Fiscal Policies Affect State Economic Growth?", it examines 50 years of data (from 1947 to 1997), tracking the effects of state tax policies, spending policies, and political orientation on economic growth. Looking at the different policy approaches and strategies that have been pursued at the level of states and cities and comparing their results provides a useful lens through which to examine pressing national issues. Alm's and Rogers' main findings are certainly interesting; "lively" is quite likely an understatement for the sort of debate their findings should inspire.
There are two major take-aways. First, a "state's fiscal policies have a measurable relationship with per capita income growth, although not always in the expected direction." Tax impacts, they report, are "quite variable"; "expenditure impacts are more consistent."
Second, they find "moderately strong evidence" that a "state's political orientation, as indicated by whether the governor is Republican or Democrat, whether the state has enacted tax and expenditure limitation legislation, and whether the state frequently elects a governor of the same party as the incumbent, have consistent, measurable, and significant effects on economic growth." And then they drop their bombshell: "Having a Republican governor," they conclude, "is associated with lower rates of growth." They qualify their conclusions slightly--but only slightly--noting that past measurement errors may have introduced some distortions into the record.
Taken together, these findings seem to support the spending orientation favored by liberals and pose a rather stark challenge to Republican governors who are embracing austerity.
It's a simple concept, The GOP wants to end Medicare, turn it into a voucher program and the democrats want to save and expand Medicare, stop the fraud and big pharmacy rip-offs...
I like Joe, he's everybodies uncle... Whats more important, is he's a good person...
Obama leading strongly in Michigan! Way to GO Uncle Joe.
4 more for 44!
Obama 2012/Romney 1040
This gets to the heart of the cuts in MEDICARE/MEDICAID proposed by Willard and Mr. Marvelous!
Funny thing is chilled - it is the children that are paying now.
And just wait for the inevitable demographic shift.
It's a Ponzi, and there just are not enough numbers to keep it viable.
Yep, Mitten's plan bankrupts Medicare by 2016. Read it for yourself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/politics/costs-seen-in-romneys-medicare-savings-plan.html?pagewanted=all
Romney/Ryan taking Americans back to the 50's one voucher at a time.
TeaPeople care nothing about current children....
Which shift is that? Age, race or gender or all of those?
The Ponzi is being proposed by Willard/Ryan.......the poor, elderly, minorities pay for the rich (the mythical job creators). The least among us must 'save' the country while the 'entitled' only take!
Cruelty I would say!
chilled
TeaPeople care nothing about current children....
Especially, that "ex- dead beat dad", Joe Walsh, we have here Feisty's district.
The child support his ex-wife has been trying to get out of him for the better part of a decade is all taken care of now. Repeat: Deadbeat—sorry, ex-Deadbeat—Joe is not a deadbeat.
Also, he is a "high-risk" driver who lost his license for also being a deadbeat when it comes to paying his car insurance.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/19/1084685/-Deadbeat-dad-Joe-Walsh-no-longer-deadbeat-dad
Joe Walsh lost his Evanston, IL condo to foreclosure too.
Chilled - be informed... it was Obama that cut $700 Billion+ from medicare, but for some reason you liberals seem to want to hang it on Ryan and Romney. They haven't cut a red cent from medicare.
Hahahaha. Maybe you should try getting informed.
Good ole Spanky - only giving half the story. Folks on Medicare pay a monthly premium.
And many of their prescription drugs are not covered or are not entirely covered meaning many folks have alot of out of pocket expense which many cannot afford so more often than not they have to decide, to the detriment of their health, which prescriptions they absolutely have to have, and not get some of the others.
Good Grief Brianb....I see that you are not informed.
Obama cuts the overpayments charged by providers. Obama cuts the waste. Obama does not cut benefits provided.
However, Ryans Path to
ProsperityAusterity does indeed cut benefits in order to pass the same 716B back to big insurance.....increasing payments that beneficiaries make by hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars each year, including re-opening the donut-hole for prescriptions.Knowledge is a wonderful thing!
I told him, chilled, to get informed. He is repeating that lie to himself so that eventually it will.......Poof! become truth.
Knowledge IS a wonderful thing!
AlaskaGirl....that 716B line is the TeaPeople 'talking point' (Lie). So they all sadly repeat it....repeat the lie, repeat the lie hoping that it (as you say) Poof! becomes truth!.....NOT!
Does anybody honestly believe waste will be reduced in Medicare? When has the government EVER been successful in cutting waste? Paying providers less and expecting them to provide more service doesn't sound fair. Providers are more inclined to provide less service for less pay....and that's how seniors will see reduced benefit.
Yep, Mitten's plan bankrupts Medicare by 2016. Read it for yourself.
So the New York Times writes this so it must be true, right Eric? Did you even bother to read the entire article. First, the article states "analysts say Romeny's plan will make medicare insovlent by 2016." What anaylsts? What study shows this. There is no supporting evidence cited by the NY Times to back up this assertion. Further, one analyst quoted in the article talks about reimbursement rates in 2022 and later. If medicare is to become insolvent by 2016 according to these "analysts" how are they talking about reimbursment rates increaseing in 2022?
Well, which is it? Will medicare be insolvent by 2016 and cease to exist as your analysts state or will it still be in existence in 2022 when your analysts are talking about medicare preiumum increases. I also notice you left out the fact that these same analysts also state that many of the proposed medicare savings via reductions in provider payments may not even be feasible at all. So where does that leave the program as it is still predicted to be insovent in 2024 as it is now. You want to attack Ryan's plan, fine. But what is the left's solution to the pending insolvency. You all want to attack Ryan's plan but I haven't see any other plans but forth by the Dems that solves this problem.
There goes BriBri again, talking nonsense. What did he cut BriBri?
We have an example of every single industrialized country's government that is able to provide healthcare more efficiently than our completely privatized system. Americans pay half again as much as the average, and live less than every country with a socialistic healthcare system.
Don't believe me?
Look for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
And from http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php :-
In general, whenever government gets involved, they tend to do things fairly efficiently. The one exception is in the US, where government has a bad reputation. The reason why this is so is because when we try to get the government to do something, Congress just turns around and outsources the function to private industry. Private industry is what is inefficient - that is why OUR government is inefficient.
Gosh Brianb, are you really this dumb, or do you pretend to be?
"I've known eight presidents, three of them intimately,"
I take it he knew Barney Frank too.
(Ya, I know, a silly comment, but I just couldn't resist it -- he has his foot in his mouth so much of the time)
From Health Care Blog:
Medicare Has Lower Administrative Costs Than Private Plans.
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Lessee here. Obama is cutting waste and fraud in Medicare.
Romneyhood wants to give more money to the for profit insurance companies that are much less efficient than Medicare.
O & Joe 2012!
ROTFLMAO at the silly libs. Transferring cash from one program to another and calling it something good or a cut is the epitomy of stupidity. All one is doing is robbing peter to pay paul. To bad obama and company wants to deceive his disciples in this manner. No wonder why obama and company are idiots, they think we are...
miklkit...
I suggest you re-read what you wrote. Obama is not cutting anything, he is making a transfer payment from medicare to obamacare. Now eliminating waste and fraud is a good thing but why the transfer payment that reduces the medicare balance sheet?
You do realize that obama hasn't done anything to control rising healthcare costs (medicare or otherwise) don't you? Or even that he wants to do away with private insurers. Perhaps you think that reducing the amount of cash allotted to the healthcare industry for treating our elderly is a great thing and will stimulate the growth of geriatric services. Kind of like saying that if more people were only paid the minimum wage our economy would grow like gangbusters, isn't it?
BTW - if an insurers costs rise it is because the healthcare provider costs are also going up, either by increased pay, benefits or more patients.
Romney's plan is a lie.
Tell me one thing that was privatized for profit that costs the American consumers less...just one.
There isn't and it's impossible due to the "profit"
"But you know what it did, we had to lie to my mom and tell her, 'No honey, this is all covered by your Medicare, this is all covered by the sale of your home,' which it wasn't."
See, this is why - gaffes and all - middle class people relate to Joe Biden much better than most observers ever give him credit for. If I had been in that crowd, I'd have been thinking "Wow - this guy actually gets it!" because that's exactly what I just did for the past two years - cheerfully lying up one side and down the other to my Mom about how her expenses were all being covered by Medicare and the small amount of money we got for finally selling her home in Florida (I'll bet Romney spent more on Ann's last Cadillac), just so she wouldn't worry even more than she already was. Then I would come home and lie awake all night trying to figure out how to stretch her life savings just a little bit more to cover all the things that Medicare already doesn't cover. Then I'd worry about how much of my own life savings I was spending to try to keep her from the ugly truth and wondering what I'd do when it was my turn to retire. And then the next time she asked me if she was okay on money, I'd smile and lie all over again. Thankfully, she never knew just how tight things really were towards the end.
Coincidentally enough, I saw Joe Biden in person during the 2008 campaign. He spoke about unemployment that day, and what it means to be laid off - not the statistics, but the personal impact of it, and how even that isn't just the loss of income, but the loss of self-esteem, the self-doubt about what you did wrong, and the fear that no one else will want to hire you, either. Having been down-sized out of my job twice in the handful of years before that, what he said really hit home. It wasn't Mitt Romney joking about "Hey, I'm unemployed, too!", it was exactly how I had felt myself. And when he came along the rope line afterwards to shake hands, I got the opportunity to speak to him briefly, and after thanking him for what he'd said, I said "You know what? You and Obama - you guys GET IT".
I've said it before and I'll say it again - those who underestimate the value Joe Biden brings to the campaign trail do so at their own peril.
Oh, JoAnne, you put tears in my eyes. Your mother is smiling down upon you! I think many of us know exactly what Joe was talking about. We take care of our loved ones and we tell those little white lies so that they can spend their last days in peace and quiet and not have to worry about us. I really don't think, no, I know for certain, that Mitt Romney has absolutely no idea the struggles that most of us deal with in this country. I think that the reason so many on the right make fun of Joe and talk about him like he is some ignorant idiot is that they have never taken the time to learn about Joe. The man is extremely intelligent and he is a leading authority on foreign policy. He is also a man of the people, and "regular folks" like you and me appreciate and respect a man who comes from our "roots". I think those on the right envy this about Joe. He is true and authentic and you can't make that up. It's either in your soul, or it's not. Romney? Not there.
If Joe is a "leading authority on foreign policy", then why is the Obama administration's a worldwide joke?
Our adversaries do not even respect us out of fear, much less our worldly gravitas. They laugh at the effemini in the White House and point and chuckle at our State Dept.
Joe's only accomplishment is becoming a millionaire living in a 2 million dollar home with servants on a public servant salary. Seems like there's quite a few lifelong Democrat "public" servants who have accomplished that feat.
Conservative
You need to get out more. My husband works overseas and we travel there a lot. You're wrong. The President has gone a long, long way to repair the damage Bush did to our reputation overseas.
Stop with the talking points and learn something.
I agree JoAnne and AlaskaGirl; working class people relate to Joe Biden because he has more integrity in his toenail clippings than that entire crop of TeaBaggers that stunk their way into Congress in the last election cycle. He just seems like a person who would look at a situation and try to find the best solution for the country; even if it wasn't his personal choice. Nobody is likely to accuse him of being over-scripted, but when he speaks you get the impression you're getting the truth - warts and all.
Obama 2012 / Romney 1040
Yes, I can relate to Joe! I saw a number of Joe Biden when I visited the alzheimer wing at a hospital recently!
You live in a fantasy and I don't care about some claim of "we travel the world, blah,blah,blah". You obviously pay no attention to world events while you are travelling.
The middle east is burning and the psycho pair Khameini and Ahmanutjob are singing the obliteration of Israel duet style.
Russia and China are telling Obama to go f**k himself
Israel is telling Egypt to remove their tanks from the Sinai or else
Kim Jung un says Obama's a pansy
Iraq is throwing cover for Iran
The Saudi's are shaking the hand of ahmanutjob
Troop death in Afghanistan just surpassed 2000. Where are those code pink bitches and cindy sheehan?
And the worst part? Our longtime allies are silent.
You learn something.
JoAnne, I couldn't agree with you more. Joe Biden's frank narrative about his own human experience is refreshing in a politician and makes him relatable to struggling Americans. His gaffes and self-deprecation are endearing. When you see photos of him and the president together, he frequently has a reassuring hand on the President's shoulder. He adores his wife and family. He is very emotionally engaging and I can see why this drives conservatives nuts.
You go Joe! You are the man of the people. Your mother was a saint and you don't fail to follow in her footsteps. Don't let anyone tear you down. Keep reminding Barack about saving the nation.
These people have been doing it for over 50 years now. Israel is in no danger. It has enough military capability to take on all of Europe combined, and each of the UK, Germany or France is capable of taking on Iran by themselves. In other words, Iran is so far outclassed by Israel, it's not even noticeable. Even if
That must explain why every single Arab country that Russia supported has fallen, except Syria, which is about to. Obama has reduced Russia to a regional power.
Israel and Egypt are still at peace.
And this is a problem, why?
Yes, we did have a serious mess in Iraq. That's what we get for getting rid of Saddam, who served as a lid for Iran. Wonder who it was who invaded Iraq...by lying about WMDs...
I am not quite sure who you are referring to here. You are spending so much effort in trying to sound clever that it's difficult to understand what you are trying to say here; if you mean Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, then all I can say is that you sound completely delusional. The Saudis and the Iranians are bitter enemies.
It really doesn't sound that you really have a good understanding of what's going on in the world.
Joe Biden is a decent, compassionate human being. You cannot say that about Romney or Ryan.
Lesse here. We invaded Iraq based on 935 verified lies, stayed there for years, and still have a massive presence there. Just look at that Taj Mahal of an Embassy!
So who is the main trading partner with Iraq? Iran! The bridges across the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers are overloaded from all of the trade traffic going back and forth.
Mission Accomplished bush/cheney style.................
Read the story. Romney's Medicare plan costs seniors more and bankrupts it by 2016.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/politics/costs-seen-in-romneys-medicare-savings-plan.html?pagewanted=all
Romney/Ryan taking Americans back to the 50's one voucher at a time.
There are other articles that discuss why the Romney Medicare plan would work.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/11/why-the-democrats-mediscare-attack-wont-work-against-paul-ryan/
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/18/3767615/why-mediscare-may-not-work-this.html
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765598190/Ryans-Medicare-plan-might-work-a-study-says.html?pg=all
Why don't you read reports on the most recent Rtyan plan instead of spewing Democrat talking points that are inaccurate! At least, Ryan offers a starting point! Obama offers more and more years of $trillion dollar deficits, a medical program that will now cost 3X what he promised and climbing, no plan for Medicare other than robbing $717 billion from it (they found savings..laughable) We are now paying $500 billion in interest only on the debt. Another four years of Obama, $22BILLION or more. Oh, we can tax the rich for their fair share! Reality: If you take the total net worth of the top 25% of taxpayers estimated at $54 trillion, you can't cover the $16 trillion debt now and all the unfunded social problems ($60 trillion plus) that have been robbed by both sides All figures from IRS.gov website
You don't need to take all of the top wealth of anyone. All you need to do is increase interest rates marginally at the top, and invest them back in the economy. Eventually you will be able to pay down the debt substantially.
What most people who say things like this don't understand is that the rich don't really know what to do with their extra money; all they know is that they want more of it. There's very few Warren Buffet or Bill Gates. All they do is send the money to Wall Street, where it is used to fight other such dollars. That is a zero-sum game.
Bryan raum...
Increase interest rates at the top? Care to elaborate?
LMAO, one thing for sure is that obama will NEVER do this, he has already added $5 trillion to our national debt without any signs of government investments. BTW - have you ever known ANY politician who could look at unspent $$$ and not have a strong desire to spend it foolishly?
How droll, it would have made more sense if you said that they wanted to preserve it for whatever. i wonder how you would explain all of the robberies and burglaries that occur on a daily basis. Aren't those doing so just interested in obtaining more also?
Oh my gosh, Biden knew three presidents intimately.
You and spanky are so matched for each other it's ridiculous. Either you are both that ignorant, or you are both immature 12 year old's giggling in the back of the class. Grow up. Or, maybe you don't know in what context the word intimately can be used? No, I think you are just both really ignorant.
Why thanks AG! I really prefer to think we'll sometimes walk through an open door. The left provides plenty of opportunity to make fun.
This is unlike the left in that you'll just keep banging your head against a wall. Which you're going to do a lot come November 7.
They tell us that today's seniors won't have any change and that the vouchers would only be for those under 55. You give them an inch they take a mile. I don't trust them. They will be giving us seniors already on Medicare and SSI vouchers with the old Scrooge idea of "let them die and reduce the surplus population", bah humbug.
Adler
I have LOST my Medicare Advantage Policy for the last TWO YEARS! In each case I was sent a letter stating that "Due to INCREASED costs associated with the PPACA we will no longer be offering Medicare Advantage."! What happened to "If you like your Insurance you can keep it"? So now I have to pay a HIGHER PREMIUM. I have a HIGHER DEDUCTIBLE. I have a HIGHER Drug cost. I have LESS COVERAGE!!
THANKS OBAMACARE!
Eric, and anyone else who is interested on Medicare and want the facts go to factcheck.org the article is called A campaign full of mediscare.
If anyone is really interested in learning what either side is proposing you go to legitimate, reputable, and partisan websites.
It's liberal activists, one of whom is in Obama's administration, that have proposed reducing the world population. Try doing better than repeating Democrat talking points! You are more mature than that, I hope!
You mean by advocating birth control? How terrible! What monsters these liberals are...huh.
Isn't Medicare Advantage the one with all of the fraud and waste from the for profit insurance companies?
Isn't Medicare Advantage the one that got the $716 Billion removed from it because of fraud and waste? So why would one be surprised when the for profit insurance companies raise their rates so that they can continue providing more fraud and waste?
Who let the dog out, AGAIN?
Obama loves to take a bruising.
I guess he figures after the "legitimate rape" crap it can do no harm though.
It would be just fine with das Repuplik party if Medicare went bankrupt, the sooner the better, so they can step in with all the corporate insurance huckster middlemen and grab every last dollar for themselves, which is possibly what happened to Slodon above. Modern day carpet-baggers.
So proud of Claressa. Praying things continue to go well for her.
Proud of Joe too. Nice event -
If it wasn't GWB's fault, then why has the DOW doubled in the last four years, and why does nobody raise this fact...on either side?
Because most of us understand how the markets work. Did you know that after the crash the "market" was revamped? Those weak companies were replaced with stronger ones.
Oh really wise Swami - please, do tell, how the market was revamped after the crash. By revamped, do you mean they took those bankrupt companies no longer in business off the listings, and added companies still in business to the list. Wow, who'da thunk they would do something like that.
Except that there weren't really any more bankruptcies filed during the Obama years than before.
Shameless imbecile.
Did he tell them that his party is cutting 716 billion from Medicare? Did he tell them that his party is taxing wheelchairs and pacemakers? Did he tell them that unless Medicare is reformed that there will very shortly be no Medicare? Did he tell them that their vision of health care in America is rationed service and "take a pill"?
Did he tell them that the whole story about his mother was bullsh!t?
So is Ryan's plan. the same 716 mil.
If the left understood how govt works then they would know that Ryan had to include the cut in Medicare. PPACA is law, passed exclusively by the Democrats and signed by the failure-in-chief.
It has to be included. But I don't expect the Obama supporters to know that, seeing as to how they are single issue voters.
Hey BFD Joe are you in VA or North Carolina? Is it the 20th or 21st Century. Hey Joe are you smarter than a lug nut on a chevy wheel? Hey Joe when does Obama lock you back in the basement. Hey Joe will you be up for a debate with Paul Ryan about the Medicare vs Pelosi/Obamacare issue? Hey Joe Obama is going to put you back in chains if you don't keep running your mouth and saying stupid things!
Hey Joe do you have any off shore accounts? Hey Joe does Valerie Jarrett have any off shore accounts? Hey Joe is Valerie Jarrett calling the shots or is the master communicator and weed smoker calling a few now and then? Hey Joe who is more stupid, Stephanie Cutter, Wasserman Schultz, or David Axlehead? Yes you are correct, they are all stupid. Hey Joe we know you are rich but has Obama promised you a job in Chicago with the moron Rahm Emanuel when you are sent packing? Hey Joe maybe you should just quit and find a job at Burger King!
I'm going with Stephanie Cutter as the stupidest. Have you seen the vacant, "I'm just an idiot who supports abortion because that's the most important issue with women, or so they tell me" look she takes when being asked a question?
But they're all idiots who need to crawl back under their rocks.
All the republican/tea party has only one thing left that they can do. Thats lie and they do it well. The republican/tea party tells the lie so much they believe it.
Smitty: What does it take to get really good at something? Practice practice practice.
Romneyhood lies 71% of the time.
First Read covers their hero Biden in Michigan, and miraculously doesn't even mention a new Michigan poll showing Romney ahead!!!
First Read is a joke.
Joe Biden is a joke....Detroit is the liberal paradise....the public employees union defends paying "horse-shoers" on the public payroll..look it up...
vagina bob first read is a joke.
If it so much a joke. Why are you here? You keep coming here it must be good cause the joke is you.
Hammer on the Healthcare companies that commit Medicare/Medicaid Fraud, & sentence the CEOs to jail! FL Republican Gov. Rick Scott pocketed $300 million from his Columbia/HCA company, which plead guilty of Medicare/Medicaid Fraud and was fined $ 1 billion by the Feds.
Joe Biden, the only Democrat on either ticket
No doubt. Democrat has been an analogy for crooks for decades.
Ryan-Wrong for Women!
Are you kidding me? Have you seen his wife? Gorgeous!
Ayn Ryan has a worse record on women's rights that Akin. Ayn Ryan is still hiding behind his mother's skirt too.
Joey BiteMe is a HYPOCRITE, moron and racist, like Obam-bozo, he takes credit for the achievements of others, and LIES every time he speaks about Republicans. Democrats are all economically incompetent, ignorant of the Constitution, have no record of achievement to run on, are destroying this nation in the rush to implment Communism as mandated by their puppetmaster, Soros, illegally use taxpayer $ to murder the unborn through abortion (lying by calling it "health care") and are basically just pollution of humanity.
"Way back in the transition period, before we were sworn in, when Barack Obama and I were literally sitting at a desk in a high rise in Chicago, beginning the plan on how we would try to get this economy out of a ditch, literally, the first guy I called was Jon Corzine. It's not a joke. It's not a joke. First of all, he's the smartest guy I know in terms of the economy and on finance, and I really mean that."
-Joe Biden
MFer Corzine who no doubt cut this pair of crooks some of that billion he stole.
Beverly in Chicago doesn't have a clue on Government Motors! In order to pay back thier $59 billion loan, there stock will have to be selling at $53 a share, the value is mired around $20 a share! 93% of their auto loans are to risky customers with a credit rating below 550, a great number of them below 440! They are losing their share of the market and producing battery cars that few want. Talk about the edge of the cliff...they are there without more bailouts!
Another tidbit about how GM (under the government bail out) completely cut health care for its NONUNION retirees. My mom worked in the office of a parts plant in Livonia, Michigan. The office workers were NONUNION. She had her health benefits completely cut out when this bail out occurred. As for Detroit, it's NEVER COMING BACK - plow it all under and plant apple trees. Sad, but true.
It's announced that Biden is heading for Tampa next week during the Republican Convention! Shortly after, it's announced that a Hurrican may hit Florida, most likely in the Tampa area. Obama must be breathing easier that a Hurricane will overshadow Biden's probable gaffs!
IsBFD Biden related to the fat slob Ed Schultz? Ed Schultz was asked once if his mother had any children who lived and Ed did not know the answer. He calls conservative women sluts and other dirty names like the other moron on HBO Bill Maher who is the biggest imbecile that ever got on TV. This is the liberal media for you, idiots like Ed Schultz, Beckel and other morons should be locked up for being stupid.
I think Schultz may have three of four people watching his show, and two of them tuned in by mistake! This guy needs to lose some fat off his ugly face!!
I keep hearing Obama, Biden and the left wingers bashing Romney/Ryan's Medicare plan but I have yet seen a plan from Obama on how to save medicare because according to the Medicare Actuary Medicare will go broke in about 4 years. What is the Obama/Biden plan, some one must have an idea. The only answer I ever received was RAISE THE PAYROLL TAX DEDUCTION. Democrats have never had a plan except to RAISE TAXES.
Obama had one of his Cabinet members spend $500,000 million for 100 ads aired only on two MSNBC programs. The ads were for a job corp program to let businesses be aware of the program. Funny they chose MSNBC, a cable channel that finds it hard to find enough viewers to be rated as a viable news station. I'm pretty sure, business owners were getting their iunformation elsewhere. People are tired of listening to Chris Mathews dumping on conservatives, dog shooter Eddie Schultz wishing death on GOP principals, and Rachel Maddow making more facial gestures than a monkey in a zoo! I guess NBC sold their sole to Obama..I wonder how much more money Obama dumped on them for nothing? And not to mention Andrea Mitchell ranting about Republicans hurting women. I'm sure Georgetown has a hospital for the senile or alzheimers!
R&R for the R&R
(Romney & Ryan for the Rich & Richer!)
It is 8:50 PM CST here in Texas. I see where the commie sisters, Bev. and Fsty have been on this site since 7:00 AM. That would be right at 14 hours. Do either of you Illinois commies work? Ever? Two of the nastiest slugs on the internet.
Please, don't insult slugs. They make their own way in this world.