Midland, Texas?

That's Dubya country, along with Slick Rick who's from Paint Creek. I wonder if they were there, behind the closed doors!

There's that ill wind blowing in far west Texas!

Where are the tax returns?

This is all so boring like I need a tweet every second about what these two rich, white, males are doing. Nothing bold there -- snore.

After Citizen's United, Romney doesn't have to use his own money like he used to do.

He has to suck up to the Koch brothers and their ilk.

There are no votes in those oil wells...only money. And Romney has all the money he needs. Should someone tell Romney that even though corporations are people, corporations don't vote.

I think it's obvious, Romney would pimp out his wife and kids to become POTUS.

He's not in the pocket of big oil, he's stuck to the bottom of their shoe.

I urge everyone on the fence about Romney to google "Sociopath".. He has a classic form of this characteristic.

This is probably why he was so good at lying and how he can look a reporter right in the eyes and lie outright, even when there is video evidence to the contrary.

these excerpts from sociopathicstyle.com/traits/classic.htm

Sociopath can lie without remorse or embarrassment

5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS- the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one's victims.

Sociopaths don't have empathy with other people or animals

6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted, and un empathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.

7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.

8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.

I have written alot about Romney and actually listed to him briefly. The only thing I can say right now is the more I think about Mitt Romney the less I think about Mitt Romney. Good night.

I am sure you know all about what to do on your knees.

So says Mikey, who spends his life on them!

Mikey will EAT anything...

Michael Ragland

Feisty -- I am sure you know all about what to do on your knees.

The sad part is she probably doesn't unless Mister F uses her flat head as a place to put his beer!!

Miss F you have the most filthy writing style (couldn't say mouth) LOL

Don't forget to take your Dentures out Red!!!

Miss F you have the most filthy writing style (couldn't say mouth) LOL

And yet little Missy... you can't read enough of what I post!

What an hypocritical idiot!

Skank, and writes anything and just nasty. She must work at MSNBC as it is a heads up first post and zero censorship. Terrible garbage.

Trailer trash, you will alienate may potential Obama voters with your disgusting worthless rants. I am on this Presidents side but you make me puke.

"gid boy panties

Edit: should read BIG boy panties!

She must work at MSNBC as it is a heads up first post and zero censorship.

Again, is this the part where I am supposed to give a @!$%# what a troll thinks? lmao

I am on this Presidents side but you make me puke.

PUHLEESE make sure it runs down the front of YOU and hits your shoes...

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

And yet little Missy... you can't read enough of what I post!

I only read it for the laughs. Oh and BTW again for the umpteenth time time I am a gentleman who lives in NYC. Please correct you note pad or is that too much to ask from some Illinois redneck hack.

Reb, I am no troll. The Red is terrible week after week and very pathetic. I am done. Enjoy her BS if you want to go on.

Just $7 million in one day? Wasn't it in may that george clooney raised over $15 million in one day for obama in LA? Maybe obama is offerring under the table deals to the oilmen if they don't support romney?

The " you don't own your success" party is not getting enough money from the job creators who are supporting Romney this time. Hollywood and some billionaires crony capitalist from Wall Street like Warren Buffet and the more than 300 fundraiser dinners for Obama can't help. I heard from someone Obama is renting some of the suites of the White House to his millionaires friends to collect more money for his campaign. LOL

IXLR8

I only read her for the jokes. She has absolutely nothing of substance to add and yes she is a paid blogger and even meets with her cabal and the MSDNC staff to plan their strategy. Everybody knows that and that is the biggest problem with this site - Paid BS artists!!

i didnt read all the NBC reach around comments you made. I was wondering how much obama campaign made there.

I'll take a good Family Man like our "Kind and Great and Merciful" President, Barack Obama, over that other-guy Mitt Romney, who Raids and Steals from working-class folk's Pension Funds, and then Hides that ill-gotten Loot in his secret-hidden Swiss Bank Accounts, before Laundering that stolen Money of those hard working people's Pension Funds in his phony off-shore Cayman Island shell companies.

And what's this I hear on all the Sunday talk-shows that Mitt Romney, pehaps has committed a Felony by "RETROACTIVELY-RETIRING" from BAIN CAPITAL?

Is that even Legal? Can you or I do that?

I want to "RETIRE RETROACTIVELY" too!

ps. Is this a Great post, or what?

RepublicansForObama-6186389

Barack Obama, our "Kind and Great and Merciful" President

How much are you collecting from the government dole? You aren't a Republican so cut the crap. If you were you are a poor example of what one was/is.

The " you don't own your success" party is not getting enough money from the job creators

Those funny little marks are used to signify a quotation so the words inside them should be something that somebody actually said rather than some miscellaneous words that you pulled out of your ass.

As to your "job creators," when will these jobs be created? After a decade of tax cuts, most of the jobs created are in Asia. Remember the "giant sucking sound" from years past. That's middle class wealth being redistributed to Romney and his friends.

REB-1013231

IXLR8

I only read her for the jokes. She has absolutely nothing of substance to add and yes she is a paid blogger and even meets with her cabal and the MSDNC staff to plan their strategy. Everybody knows that and that is the biggest problem with this site - Paid BS artists!!

I don't know if Feisty makes money here or not but.... as we *all* know, all of us who pay attention to what we sign up for on the web, anyone can make money with Newsvine. Go to your profile page and check it it out. You too can be a paid BS artist rather than the amateur you are today!

Hal-2824511

Please grow up. Fiesty is paid by these people, she and her gang just came back from Vegas where some of the MSNBC/NBC staff met with them. Everybody knows that and yes I do know that you can get paid for posting on this website. I have donated my money to charity.

I have also met MSNBC/NBC staff right here in New York. Where is my money?

But, does Mikey swallow?

And obama has been fundraising ever since the 2010 midterms, got a point? Better yet, how many raffle tickets have you bought trying to win a dinner with obama?

Has anyone noticed Mr. Romney likes to talk policy in secret instead of in front of the American people he wishes to lead? Scary

Hi Phine...Yes as a matter of fact I have too. The guy runs and hides. When he went to hardware store the other day, trying to pretend he is Bob Vila(This old House) reporters asked him hat he bought and he wouldn't ell them. I Think they sold him left handed screw drivers. Then he went to grocery store and wouldnt say what he bought their....as if he would eat store bought food! Ol run and hide Romney!!!

When they asked him about how his plan is same or different and he said they never discussed them point by point yet.....trying to be for teabaggers but giving him space to not be a teabagger. Both sides as usual!

Sorry for the derail but I'm still waiting on starsailing to provide me some sources in another thread- #4.26

I'm sure he just forgot so I wanted to remind him.

Texas just cut off funds to planned parenthood so there's bound to be extra Republilcan money flowing into campaigns.

Backcountry164 - your are waiting for studies on voter surpression but I guess all the examples of people having a hard time obtaining proper documentation before November is not enough for you.

I'll give you another example: my boss was adopted so his birth certificate has a different last name than his current last name. He is jumping through hoops to get a passport. It's not extremely difficult for him since he has means and ways to get his ducks in the row but it's time consuming. Now picture a 90-yr-old woman who never drove or never really had a picture id. It's not only time consuming for her, it is also costly. And when you get a $800/month SS check, it matters

Now you might not care about the old, or the poor so let me ask you this. Why did you suggest to blearyeyed who wrote:

I can walk to vote, I have to get in a car and drive 12 miles to get an id.

to:

Or you can sit at home and cast an absentee ballot. Problem solved.

if you are truly about preventing voter fraud by implementing specific IDs, why do you suggest absentee ballot THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE SHOWING ID????????!!!!!

While Republicans cannot prove voter fraud - by trying to prove it exists, they actually proved that it does not - they want to prevent people from voting in person by requiring IDs. While absentee ballot voter fraud is provable, the Republicans don't want to limit anyone from using absentee ballot because IT BENEFITS THEM.

So again, the Republicans are hypocrites and anyone who claims that these Republican voter ID laws are to prevent fraud is naive at best.

@bayllie

Backcountry164 - your are waiting for studies on voter surpression

I won't derail this thread further by responding to your drivel, I posted the link to the other thread and will gladly accept your sources there should you choose to share them. Which I doubt you will since you didn't here.

Backcountry164

I won't derail this thread further by responding to your drivel,

you won't respond because you cannot explain how someone who is for showing ID when voting would suggest to someone to use a method that does not require showing ID and is more prone to fraud.

and again, voter fraud doesn't exist and the Republican National Lawyers Association | (RNLA) said so.

Taking a dispassionate look at this, it seems to actually be decent news for the challenger. Gallup Tracking has Romney up by 2 points, Obama is below the magic 50% threshold on most polls, his campaign spent more in July than it took in and he is going to be vastly outspent after the conventions by Romney and the Conservative SuperPacs who are significantly outraising him each month. Look for a blitz of anti-Obama ads in October, followed by continued high gas prices and an economy that shows no signs of improving and that is about as good an environment that any presidential challenger could ask for (not that anyone should be happy about a weak economy). In the end, it probably will come down to turnout and given this data, a Romney victory would hardly be considered a shocker.

@bayllie

Way to prove me wrong by shoving your proof in my face...Oh wait, guess not.

Here's your response- #4.27

Backcountry164

Way to prove me wrong by shoving your proof in my face...Oh wait, guess not.

so basically, i'm showing you that you have no problem with absentee ballot which does not require pic. ID and to which you reply that you will not respond; that is your way for rebuttal? I can have a conversation like that with a wall and get the same response.

So you will not comment on why you are for absentee ballot that doesn not require ID? I thought you people were all about PICTURE ID, PICTURE ID, PICTURE ID.

BTW, It's not MY proof. It's a simple question based on YOUR suggestion to someone else. I am asking YOU to clarify YOUR suggestion which you cannot give me.

Stay on target... (yes, it's not just a Star Wars reference)

@bayllie

I did respond and linked to it - #4.27 which doesn't seem to work, here is the page link http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/21/13392560-flurry-of-voter-id-laws-tied-to-conservative-group-alec#comments post number above

Apologies to Ron-1861300 et al, I've been trying to get him back where he belongs maybe this will do it

Are you kidding tony? Youve already been bought and you sold out cheap.

You mean of course that Obama has been bought and paid for by the unions, right? All those hard working folks that are having their paychecks held hostage for their "political" contributions to their unions. I'm sure it can be said the other way that Obama will learn in November that unions can't buy everything!

@Tony -- stick with Obama and Joe Dummy and you'll be paying a lot more in taxes.

It's time to sac up and pay more taxes. 5% more from everybody and all funding issues would disappear and the debt could be reduced.

Shame on you who are unwilling to make a small sacrifice for their country.

JK1963

You mean of course that Obama has been bought and paid for by the unions, right? All those hard working folks that are having their paychecks held hostage for their "political" contributions to their unions. I'm sure it can be said the other way that Obama will learn in November that unions can't buy everything!

Let's eliminate all lobbyists so there is no need for Unions anymore - because right now corporations' only "competition" is Unions.

BTW, do you enjoy your evil vacation pay? your evil pee breaks? Your evil overtime? You have all those because of 'evil' Unions so you shoulg give them up immediately. You don't want to be part of this evil system.

And all those 'poor' workers, you are refering to, have a choice to leave their Union jobs and go work for companies that offer at-will employment. Then they don't have to worry about having their jobs security and can work for a company that can get rid of you anytime for any made up reason.

Bayllie,

You live in a delusional world. And I'm sure I can thank my company for providing a matching 401k plan all because of the union too? You want this to be a fair relationship, then tell me why is it so hard to get rid of substandard employees that are being protected by the unions? At will employment is fair for both parties. So you are saying it's ok for a company to get rid of someone, but have that same right of a worker to just quit at a moment's notice? Why is that fair? Tell me, why in California have the public teachers union rejected proposition for streamlining the process of getting rid of a child molestor? And tell me why are the unions so afraid of a proposition out here that would outlaw them having from taking political contributions from their rank and file in the form of payroll deductions? Why can't their rank and file donate (if they wish to) directly their political PAC's, why do they need to have a payroll deduction? It pretty clear to see the undue influence unions have over their membership. The union at the plant I work is despised. Why? Because the vast majority don't believe the union has ever worked in their best interest, that all the union is interested in is their money. In fact, several of their union executive management were arrested, tried and convicted for corruption. Gee...surprise!!

If you want it to be fair, then I agree both sides need to stop contributing huge sums of money to their political candidates. All I see is your side whining about how unfair corporate contributions are but at the same time, you act all offended when we touch the precious cow of a union.

JK1963

You live in a delusional world. And I'm sure I can thank my company for providing a matching 401k plan all because of the union too?

401(k) has 2 advantages for a company.

1. it is a way to attract/retain employees

2. Employer contributions to their own account are tax deductible. In most cases, if there is a "company match", contributions on behalf of employees are also tax deductible to the business.

Basically, it is cheaper for companies to offer 401(k) than to pay you more because they get a tax break for 401k vs. paying more in UI, and taxes on you bigger salary. So don't think for a minute that companies offer 401(k) out of the goodness of their heart.

You want this to be a fair relationship, then tell me why is it so hard to get rid of substandard employees that are being protected by the unions? At will employment is fair for both parties

no it's not and it won't be until companies stop discriminating against wistleblowers, women, minorities, old, etc.

Tonybeeeerm; By the look of your photo what else needs to be said... You libs are disgusting!

tony calling himself a taxpayer is truly LOL.

Both candidates are spending tons of time raising money, and they are both on target to break fundraising records.

So what if Romney is raising money in Texas? He's also raising it in NY and CA too...just like Obama.

Bayllie,

Nice deflection again! Why don't you address the undue influence unions have over their membership? Why are they fighting so hard to keep the provision that allows them to extract "political" contributions from their membership through payroll deductions? Is that perhaps they would find out that if they didn't, their membership wouldn't give a crap about their unions? Here in California, we are going to vote on Prop. 32 which among other things would eliminate political contributions from both big corporations and unions, but it would also forbid unions from taking political contributions directly from their membership through payroll deductions. Care to comment? Also the CTA (California Teachers Association--THE largest public union in California) declined to endorse a provision that would have allowed the LAUSD the authority to get rid of a child molestor. Care to comment?

You, as usual, hide behind the same old tired notion of that so many union members are oppressed under the thumb of big companies or big government, when in fact, their membership is the one SCREAMING to out from under their corruption.

JK1963

Nice deflection again!

you brought up the 401(k) so the deflection is on YOU.

Why don't you address the undue influence unions have over their membership?

why don't you address the undue influence corporate lobbyist have?

The power of the oil lobby is well documented. Big oil spent a reported $169 million lobbying in the US in 2009, and millions more on political support. That's just one industry.

The banking industry, between 1998 and 2008,spent $3.4 billion on lobbying the US government.

Yet, you want to demonize a group that respresents, what?, 11-12% of workers in this country?

Why are they fighting so hard to keep the provision that allows them to extract "political" contributions from their membership through payroll deductions?

again, anyone who is not interested in holding a union job is welcome to move on to the private sector - someone else will take their place. But for some reason, people like the job security that the private sector has NEVER offered and NEVER will offer.

If anyone group has power in this country is the private industry paid lobbyists that no UNION will ever be able to match. EVER.

Again, you seriously need to give up all your rights to Labor Laws including overtime pay. Just tell your boss that you don't want it because you don't want to have anything to do with evil Unions.

And Romney had the audacity to tell those coal miners how much he appreciates their hard work. They better hope there aren't more accidents, and if they survive that, they better hope they can still get medical treatment for black lung.

Well True Patriot, considering that black lung is on the rise . . . http ://www .forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/07/09/new-case-against-coal-black-lung-is-back/ and http ://www .npr.org/series/156453033/black-lung-returns-to-coal-country

In reading the article it talks about how some workers hid their coal dust monitors in bags or lunch boxes. What most people who will try to blame the miners for their black lung don't understand is that the coal companies have "issues" with ventilation systems. Most folks also don't know that if the mine is shut down due to dust, the workers don't work and don't get paid.

It's a vicious cycle. Miners work in conditions bad conditions that are exacerbated by the companies failure to properly vent or dampen down dust. Miners are told that if the mine is closed down they can go home and not get paid. Most miners have families that depend on them working, so to feed their families they have no choice but to "make things work" on behalf of the companies and at their risk. This plus the increased work hours provided more exposure to coal dust for the miners and thereby increased black lung risk.

In spite of all this and the current regulations not working, the coal mine companies oppose additional dust regulations and enforcement.

Don't forget that Romney will start a war with Iran, to create jobs in defence industries.

and with that war he will improve government hiring by shipping off sons and daughters of those less well off.....ya' notice how admirably Mythe served in France during Viet Nam...and how his family galliantly fought on the home front during the recent wars! (NOT)!

Obama-Biden 2012/ Romneys 1040

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That's what sheeple do.

Simply put, because America is tired of King Obama!

And really comfortable with the Cheney/Bush puppet regime. Those 2 failed to respond to congress when called on. Who's really the king oh willfully blind one?

Or could you have Obama that simply ignored Congress altogether with executive order, right? Who exactly is the willfully blind one? And we are talking about the present by the way...you seem to want to live in the past and try to justify Obama's lack of performance against those before him. Try judging him on his own actions instead, ok?

Ah yes, leave it to numbnuts JK to justify 2 wrongs make a right. You live in a glass house you simpleton.

Joe has nothing intelligent to add. Yeah, we get that.

Drama Queen. Now, let's talk about BHO and the economy, foreclosures, rating downgrade, inflation, gas prices, food prices, 49 million on food stamps, and several jihadists that have not been put on trial.

starsailing is an Obama Distractor, not a very good one though because only the libs on here read his ramblings

German.....Let's talk about you rt winger repubs creating voter suppression laws hand in hand with ALEC the corporation stooges!

Biggest lie told by repubs this campaign?....Voter ID fraud. Numerous studies , even their own shows it doesn't exist. In Minnesota repubs are trying to pass a whole mixtures of laws to suppress votes. Repubs in Mn are trying to stop same day election voter registration. Mn Judge dismissed wide ranging suit that repubs created to stop same day registration that 540,000 voters used in 2008! People that turn 18, or update their file, new voters etc..50,000 people they want to remove from voting each presidential election who use the system we have for years and years. Of course repubs are trying to appeal the ruling.Numerous other add ons that have nothing to do with id fraud........Repubs are the party of IRAN, and other countries they warn the U.S. people about. The party of rigging elections, the party of no voting for you if you are not republican. REPUBLICANS THE PARTY OF VOTER SUPPRESSION OF AMERICANS!!!!

Vote President Obama/Biden and Democratic party, save your right to vote!!!!

Oh are you referring to voter VERIFICATION?

btw, I'm in eastern PA and I got a very nice letter explaining how to register to vote. Par for obama's golf course, libs made a mountain out of molehill on that one. In PA, it is EASY to register to vote or to get valid i.d. to vote.

starsailing - The left wingers keep harping about so called "voter suppression" which is a bunch of BS. The Supreme Court has upheld the voter photo ID law and so has several state courts. It you left wingers are so concerned what don't you all get off your asses and take people down to their DMV or where ever they need to go to get a proper ID? If one can't afford it the States will issue one free. If one is to damn lazy to get a proper photo ID then he shouldn't be voting.

sfcret - If Pennsylvania, as part of its Voter ID requirement, disenfranchises just ONE voter they will have negatively impacted the election process more than any voter ID fraud. And that's based on Pennsylvania's own legal stipulation before the courts. (source: http ://bradblog. com/Docs/PA_ApplewhiteStipulation_NoInPersonVoterFraud_071212.pdf )

Considering that per Pennsylvania, the voter ID law affects more that 750,000 registered voters, many who are elderly and don't get around very well, what do you think will happen? When you also check the statistics provided to the court, the percentage of minorities affected by this law is very disproportionately high when compared to the total population. It's a simple mathematical fact that Pennsylvania will have "legally" but inappropriately supressed votes.

Pennsylvania is spending millions on this voter ID law for no valid reason. They even say so. At best this is a waste of taxpayer money. At worst, it's a direct and deliberate effort to supress voters rights ala Jim Crow style.

sfcret.........you can't bull@!$%# this one.....several blogs with so much proof of ALEC starting suppression laws around the country. It is not just voter id repubs are asking for, they are changing voting hrs in Dems areas, while extending them in repub area(Ohio) removing same day voter registration to stop people who turned 18 from their first vote, which the young would support lower interests rates on student loans(repubs were blocking). Repubs are removing places where Dems vote and adding more voting places where repubs vote..SO ...sfcret..........YOU ARE SO DEBUNKED and should be ashamed for even trying that old crap here...you should apologize for taking this conversation below ....

Like this from the story the other day.

This statement was difficult to substantiate until 2011 because ALEC’s model bills and membership lists were secret. After Ohio community organizer Aliyah Rahman helped start a spring 2011 protest against ALEC in Cincinnati, someone offered her 800 ALEC documents.

Rahman, who said she never learned the leaker’s identity, turned the documents over to the Center for Media and Democracy, a Wisconsin investigative reporting group focused on “exposing corporate spin and government propaganda,” according to its website. The group launched a website called ALEC Exposed in July 2011.

While that site drew attention to ALEC, activist and media scrutiny exploded because of the council’s support for model bills unrelated to economic issues.

In December 2011, ColorOfChange.org, a civil rights advocacy group founded after Hurricane Katrina, began asking corporations to stop funding ALEC because of the group’s role in pushing photo ID bills.

Texas in someways is even worse. They are requiring people to travel as much as 100 miles one way to get to a driver's license location (they call them DPS) that may be open only one day a week or limited hours.

Imagine now that you are an hourly worker and your family depends on you working as much as possible. Can you afford to take a whole day off of work? Not to mention finding a ride, paying for the gas, and having to pay for copies of documents required to get the ID (the ID might be free, but the supporting documents aren't).

Interestingly enough even FOX News says that voter ID fraud is bogus.

"After a five-year hunt for voter fraud, the Bush administration's Justice Department came up with little widespread fraud, finding mostly cases of people mistakenly filling out voter registration forms or voting when they didn't know they were ineligible, The New York Times reported in 2007. But none of the cases involved a person voting as someone else."

Source: foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/24/voter-id-laws-target-rarely-occurring-voter-fraud/#ixzz20ALAR3D2

Also, consider checking out the Brennen study on voter fraud @ brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/ or even the recent Florida Newspaper article @ http ://www .nwfdailynews.com/articles/florida-42393-editorial-foundation.html

Matthew, why do you have a problem with PA protecting its citizens from voter fraud?

Matthew - You ever heard of absentee ballots? How do all these so called "elderly voters", go shopping, go to the bank, visit family, and partake in other activities. I am sure these "elderly voters" can get their family, or someone like you that is concerned, to help them get a proper ID. BTW, how have they gotten to the polls in the past and how do they go shopping for groceries and clothing? Everyone, the elderly, minorities and others have known for months that they needed a photo ID to vote, so what have they been doing to meet the requirement?

not a very good one though because only the libs on here read his ramblings

Yet here you are following him around like a lost dog replying to his every post.

Guess that makes you a Lib, correct?

German Girl, Pennsylvania concedes there is NO voter fraud. That's in their legal stipulation to the courts. Read the document.

Note that the State of Pennsylvania also specifies that the AG Kelly (appointed by Gov. Corbett) will not testify. Frankly, I think it's kind of unusual for the AG not to testify in a case that affects Constitutionally protected rights.

Also, David Burgess, deputy secretary for planning and service delivery at Pennsylvania’s Department of State, testified in state court in Harrisburg that the voter ID law may affect as many as 1,500,000 people in Pennsylvania versus the 750,000 claimed by the Governor. As of 2008 there were only 8,755,000 registered voters in PA total (source: http ://www .portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/voter_registration_statistics/12725 )

sfcret - voter IDs are only presented at the polls. Absentee ballots come in via the mail. Voter ID will NOT address that fraud concern. A person could have a voter ID and still a fraudulent absentee ballot can be filled out.

Part of the issue with the elderly is the procuremet of the necessary paperwork to get the ID. Often elderly may also not have the funds to pay for copies of birth certificates from other states and legal papers that show name changes when married. Sometimes (especially in the era of handwritten or typed birth certificates) there are typos in name spellings. Then the elderly have to find someway to address the slight name differences. Heck, in some cases the courthouses with the borht certificates may have been flooded or burned down. Example - how many documents do you think were irrevocably lost in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina or in Manhattan during 9-11?

Starsailing - Quit with the left wing talking points about voter suppression. People have had ample time to get proper ID to vote. Get off your DAMNED ASSES and quit blaming everybody but your own stupidity.

Matthew - I am aware of what Absentee ballots are, I have used them since 1962 (when I first voted you had to be 21). My point about absentee ballots was that the elderly can vote by absentee, thereby bypassing the need for a photo ID at the polls.

Karl Rove said..if they can take away 1% of voters in 9 states repubs can win....Repubs and voter suppression laws......taking away the right to vote from almost a million voters in Pennsylvania and german girl is proud of it. Even the repub voter suppression law leader said getting it done gets Romney elected. CRIMINAL AT BEST!

sfcret and the party of Hitler, the party of Iran, the party of Taliban taking the right to vote away from millions.

Oh starsailing ..please stop with the facts, our republican brains can't process facts....waaaa...

Obama/Biden 2012...protect your right to vote!

sfwhiner....Ever hear of disabled people?...duh...people still have their capacity to think but have a disability and are bedridden? DUHHHH! Absentee ballots in Mn...repubs new laws say must present proper voter id at time ballot is counted...so how the hell when you send it in, can your ballot count because you are not there?...repubs say oh we will fix it later...uh huh! what the hell is proper id?...uhhh...we will tell you later......Repubs in Mn removing same day registration, judge said no deal, no fraud, no connection, repubs appealing his decision...........REPUBS ARE ACTING LIKE TALIBAN AS THEY PLEDGED TO DO> That is the words they said,...Ryan pledged to act like the Taliban.:Ref Richard Draper book.

Obama/Biden and Democrats..save the right for Americans to vote!

sfcret - while absentee ballots might be an option to address the voter ID issue, as of August 17, 2012, Pennsylvania has ceased to offer the on-line absentee ballot request this year claiming that they are too busy with the voter IDs. This creates a physically impossible situation to honor all mail-in requests (assuming they are delivered) and get out the ballots in time for them to be returned within the election time frame. Voter disenfranchisement will happen.

Voter fraud is hard to prosecute, that is why you don't see too many cases. Most localities in PA have no interest in rigging elections, but in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh there have been previous suspicious occaisions of mis-directed voting machines and the like. In Philadelphia as I recall there was a polling place that really wasn't a polling place in 2010. But you know, it all was just a big misunderstanding (wink,wink).

DB Akron, even if your allegations are true that has nothing to do with requiring voter ID. And for all we know, those incidents (if true) might have inappropriately bolstered the Republican vote count.

DB......Penn Repubs admitted there was no voter ID fraud in PENN! TRYING to defend your imagination?

Repubs and greedy rich crash the economy and millions of hardworking people lose their jobs. Romney out sources jobs all over the world and collect tax breaks from it, causing millions of starving people who lost their jobs, their homes, their savings, their pensions, to go on food stamps. Ryan and Romney want to cut food stamps from starving children and families so that Romney and rich friends can get more tax breaks.....You like that JOEY...taking food from starving children after your friends took everything from them? Proud JOEY... that you whine about starving children and families wanting to eat?.......taking food from starving people....big man Joey wants to starve children and families.....

Obama distractor, just scroll folks.

German....too tough to refute the errors of republican ways........Too tough to dispute facts.....Oh...babyyyyy!

Trying to remember where I saw you before german girl....It was Hogan's Heroes reruns.....nice strudel!...

How exactly has the economy improved after Obama spent $6,000,000,000,000.00 in 3.5 years?

US DEBTCLOCK.ORG

The numbers on the debtclock are too big for liberals to understand or interpret so I will help you out-

Obama is BANKRUPTING America.

How exactly has the economy improved after Obama spent $6,000,000,000,000.00 in 3.5 years

To pay off Bush's IOU's peroxide queen. Coupla' wars, Medicare Part B, Haliburton and Black Water looting us, the repub cash orgy of the early 2000's.......all spilled into desert sands.

BTW: I'm not so sure you're not a guy.

Blame it on Bush NOW that's a new one no one has ever heard! Wow were do you guys keep coming up with this new material?

Yep, LOOK at yours idiot. Get a job!

Fiesty

Sounds like german girl has you hot and bothered.

They have names for people like you who are obsessed with Gals like the "girl"

Bet you think she needs a spanking!

Guy or chick....the attic is empty...!

Obama/Biden and TEAM AMERICA! 2012

Bob..trying to demonize girl on girl?....What the hell...there is nothing repubs don't demonize. 10 minutes from now he will be on porn site playing out his rant.

Fiesty, A little Jealousy showing tonight?

Keep spewing your nasty trash talk lefties. You are truly indicative of Obama's style.

hi Roc:)

I think Star Sailor is hitting up on you tonight Gem?

I will tell you exactly how the economy has improved. In Nov 2008 the Dow was at 7,553 it is now at 13,206, in Nov 2008 the nasdaq was at 1,316 it is now at 3,067, in Nov 2008 the S&P was at 752 it is now at 1,406. The loss of wealth under Bush was staggering, not to mention the losses due to the devaluing of real-estate, the stock markets have more than doubled since Obama took over. I lost $480,000 of my retirement portfolio under Bush, since Obama took over I have gained all that back and then some. Any investor will tell you if you can double your money in four years that is a mighty, mighty fine return. Pretty impressive performance under the watch of a president who supposedly has such an adverse effect on business. You can spew your nonsense all you want German Gem, but the facts clearly dispute what you say, and my account numbers don't lie. The job loss, the real-estate crash, and the stock market crash all occurred under a republican economy. The republican economy brought this country to it's knees and since Obama took over it has gotten much better. So is that exact enough proof for you, all three markets are more than double what they were when GW Bush left the nation in shambles.

Where's CubsFan Roc?! Ben has been m.i.a. too:( Viewerships going down NBC. Pretty soon all that will be left is the left lol. I spent all day on Fox, it was AWESOME!

I see forest grump is another blame bush bore.

Ok German Gem you wanted some exact proof, so I gave you some very exact proof, of the stock market, the very lifeblood of our capitalist economy, then you come back again with nonsense, you can ignore those facts if you wish, but I personally have a half million more reasons in the bank to vote for Obama and his economy. BTW it happened on Bush's watch, it did not happen in one day, it was a steady decline for the last four years of his presidency, now that is just a fact, you want to call it blame, call it whatever you wish, it does not change the unfortunate fact for you, that it happened under his leadership he owns it, you can deny history and the facts if you wish, but you can't change them, and you look very foolish when you try. BTW Don't worry I will not bother to bore you with the truth or actual numbers in the future.

Ben, the wise one from the north has been M.I.A. for a while. Haven't heard from Cubs Fan. I get you ALL to myself tonight Gem?

Lucky for you Roc;) Not so lucky for NBC.

Forrest- personal wealth is down 40% in this country. Everybody is hurting. Its time to stop the blame game and look at what obama has done so far. Its not good. We are in an economic death spiral. Google it.

The accompanying table…tells a remarkably consistent story. It shows that when Democrats were in the White House, lower-income families experienced slightly faster income growth than higher-income families — which means that incomes were equalizing…

The table also shows that families at the 95th percentile fared almost as well under Republican presidents as under Democrats (1.90 percent growth per year, versus 2.12 percent), giving them little stake, economically, in election outcomes. But the stakes were enormous for the less well-to-do. Families at the 20th percentile fared much worse under Republicans than under Democrats (0.43 percent versus 2.64 percent). Eight years of growth at an annual rate of 0.43 percent increases a family’s income by just 3.5 percent, while eight years of growth at 2.64 percent raises it by 23.2 percent.

The sources of such large differences make for a slightly complicated story. In the early part of the period — say, the pre-Reagan years — the Great Partisan Growth Divide accounted for most of the Great Partisan Inequality divide, because the poor do relatively better in a high-growth economy.

Beginning with the Reagan presidency, however, growth differences are smaller and tax and transfer policies have played a larger role. We know, for example, that Republicans have typically favored large tax cuts for upper-income groups while Democrats have opposed them. In addition, Democrats have been more willing to raise the minimum wage, and Republicans have been more hostile toward unions.

Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/alan-blinder-is-history-siding-with.html#F1GMbOqGfidqtPbu.99

I see German Gem is another blame Obama bore.

Lucky You Gem, Ill take you dear anytime!

Hey Gumper......good solid posts!! Rt wingers are overwhelmed with facts tonight. Name calling is only responses.

German ....yeah Bush is that bad, the clown is not invited to within miles of any repub candidates. The War criminal is not wanted by his own party to speak at convention. The ol drunk is home chopping brush and struggling to finish his "MY pet goat " book! Romney hired 17 of 24 of Bush advisors now he has the old dead Albatross hanging around his neck! Might as well join the ol brush chopper!

Forrest- who has been the POTUS for the last 3.5years?

You're a sweetheart roc:) If Romney wins, we're going for a ride in that car of yours:)

Obama's Foreign/Economic policy; Give TWENTY MILLION to John Hynansky (personal friend of Biden) to sell Porches in the Ukraine.

DATE Gem. Chevelle or Convertible?

It is what it is Starsailing, those are the numbers, that's what happened, and when it happened. The damage was all done by 2008 and things have improved under Obama, in-spite of the most obstinate Republican Congress in history. Personally I am thrilled, I never dreamed my portfolio would come back so strong so fast.

Oh convertible Roc! Absolutely!

Barrack Obama has been the president for the last three years, and all three markets are more than doubled from where they were when he was elected, and we went from losing 500,000+ jobs a month to gaining about a 100,000 a month, (when you go from a negative 500,000 to a positive 100,000 that equals a 600% improvement), and one more bit of good news, home prices are starting to creep back up. So say it with me GG, Obama has been the president for the last 3.5 years and the economy has definitely improved.

North of Illinois, the Right side of the boarder! Hey Libs how did that Walker Recall work out for Ya?

personal wealth is down 40%

But not among the 1%. That is where the wealth went.

I'll be next to you punks at the light in a Hemi-powered Dodge Challenger SRT.

Take your pick then 67 ss big block or 60 convertible big block.

The numbers on the debtclock are too big for liberals to understand or interpret so I will help you out-

Obama is BANKRUPTING America.

The debt clock was turned off for a while. Guess which puppet regime required turning it back on.

Isnt Kerry a Dreaded 1%er? OK when he was a candidate though?

keep scrolling

Is that "bends over" like the Obama "lean forward, we're not done with you yet"?

Shall we discuss the Romney foreign policy plan?

Romney can see Russia from his offshore accounsts!

The Ryan foreign policy plan?

Ryan can see Milwaukee from his kitchen window!

Their real foreign policy plan is the same plan from Bush/Cheney. Romney hired 17 of 24 of Bush/Cheney Foreign ploicy and economy advisors...YIKES! Why in the hell would we want to do the crash of the economy and lie to war with these people again?....Bush/Cheney/ Romney. The 3 Stooges ride again!

Obama's foreign policy? Hmmm there isn't one but fly Air Force One around campaigning or just taking trips.

there's not a check out there that barry won't 'bend over backwards for'

I'd rather bend over backwards than be bent over a table by Adelson and Dave Koch.

Bitch looks like a metro-sexual Ken doll!

There are names for people who have to use a *LOOK AT ME* avatar! lol

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That name would be FEISTY!! Your stupid avatar is far better than your lazy fat ass. Don't be such a hating ho. If you're nice, some blind guy might touch it for you.

you mean a employer ? keep praying for a extension if you haven't lost it yet.

I agree. The voters will elect them.

german: In your dreams....Americans are too smart to elect a team that will take us back decades. Even staunch Repubs are moving away from the GOP in droves.....they don't want to be connected to a party that has been taken over by far right religious zealots.

Romney and his corporate people$$$$$$$$$

Romney Ryan tax plans...Pretty simple Kill Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and privatize for their rich friends driving up healthcare costs and trying to force you to invest in Wallstreet where Romney and Ryan will deregulate even more to take the rest of your money they didn't get the first time. Ryan Romney want to privatize the Post Office because repubs force P.O. to over fund their pension plan out 75 years just to deliberately defund P.O. This will crash service and many towns will have no service or extreme higher costs via UPS or FED EX.

Ryan Romney plans incease tax breaks for the rich and cut food stamps to starving children and families, cut benefits to Vets, and increase taxes on middle class and poor by up to $2000 to pay for their tax breaks!!!

Ryan voted for every deficit raising plan of Bush. Romney lies about his taxes saying he worked at Bain for years now caught with documents saying HE WAS, he lies saying he wasn't. Both want to end capital gains tax for the rich, many rich don't pay taxes at all due to tax loop holes they create.

Ryan and Romney both push war on women and their healthcare see www.womenarewatching.org site for info.

President Obama and Team America killed Bin Laden together. Romney said he would not go after Bin Laden because it is too expensive. Romney values money more than taking out terrorists! $$$$$$$$$$$$$

U.S. Military took out Bin Laden, Obama just rubber stamped the paperwork.

dragon, did you know there are other sources of information other than National Bullshi!! Corporation?

German...trying to use your imagination as a news source is not only ill advised....IT IS COMPLETEY FUNNY AS HELL!

ha ha starsailing:)

roc/bullwinkle...those fake whiners the other day that made video on fake leaks were on tv....the guy was asked about President Obama making the decision on killing Obama...the guy totally agreed, then walked back on everything they whined about on the video denying and bashing their own rants!!!

President Obama and Team America killed bin Laden while the ol drunk Bush gave up and mMittster said it was too expensive!

obama is hanging himself

roc1960....repubs causing voter suppression all over the country rigging the elections, there will be riots when people show up to vote and repubs illegally removed them.

lol good one roc!

and waaaaaa waaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa starsailing. you libs riot about everything.

Just like Dead People, Illegals, Convicted Felons and Identity Thieves have the Right to Vote Right?

Hello Gem, You can use that one if you wish.

Thanks Roc:) I picked up "Obama Distractor" last night from one of the sane posters on here.

German...riots...reminds me when Fox fake news was trying to report on a protest out East,...and they put on some kind of riot with people running in the streets and wrecking property....then...palm trees appear...from California.....FOX busted again, fake news story from riot in Calif from years ago and trying to make it look like it was the real story.That's why...people who watch ...fox news... are actually dumber for watching it!

I didn't see that story. Doesn't matter. Everybody knows that liberal cesspool California is the riot mecca of the U.S.

Google: Frank Marshall Davis get educated on Barack Obama the Marxist. Frank is alluded to in his book and was his mentor.

Tell Reginald Denny it was FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Howdy ayatollah Obama:)

Wonder if Reginald Denny would say those riots were fake?

Bush deflectors.

It happened on Bush's watch, he's to blame, repubs are in denial, and America needs to remember where our economy was when Obama was elected. Wanna go back there? Then vote Romney.

German germ needs to get a job and work for a living. Get off the public dole germ.

I'm bout' ready to head to my job, and if you work for a living that means you're a Democrat.

I dont have a job where I work, I own the business!

omg, what a dilemma they will have lol! get the plywood out!

Obama distraction #8, class warfare game.

Roc.....no one minds someone being rich...it is when they use their wealth to steal other people money, like repubs and ALEC creating voter suppression laws, like....Romney cheating on his taxes and hiding money off shores...like repubs blocking bill to remove big oil subsidies when big oil said they no longer even needed them....See the pattern? WE DO! ROBMEHOOD, steal from the middle class and poor and gives to the rich!

Roc: Even you should be able to see marrying a woman that brought with her the Heinz fortune menas there's no question as to how that money was obtained. Can even you right wingers say the same of Romney? You on the right claim it's simply jealousy of Romneys money wanting him to release his returns but if that was true why wasn't Kerrys wealth an issue?

A blind trust ran by his friend/personal attorney that just happens to invest 10 million in Romneys son Taggs business even though most actual blind trusts invest very conservatively.

Not only multiple offshore accounts but creating offshore shell companies advertising to foreign investors that they can avoid U.S. taxes by investing through it.

Claiming in 1999 he was simply taking a leave of absence from his soley owned company but deciding in 2002 to "retroactively resign" back to 1999 even though he signed company documents as CEO of that company so he could claim he wasn't involved on bankrupting schemes by his company after that date.

Strange logic. The right defends Romneys right to cut top tax rates and eliminate tax exemptions that benefit the middle class, gut medicare and massively slash social programs and it's liberals engaging in class warfare? Opposing Romneys plan to rape the middle class is us promoting class warfare? In what world does that make sense? Romneys the one that thinks his 14% tax rate is too high and those babies he doesn't want aborted getting $80 a month in food stamps too much.

What then were all those Occupy Camp Outs About?

Not only does Romney cheat on his taxes hiding money offshore so as not to pay his taxes, Now Ryan and Romney want to eliminate capital gains taxes on themselves. Then they both have the nerve to create budget plans where they give themselves even more tax breaks for themselves and the rich. Who do they plan to have pay for their tax breaks they should be paying?? YOU< THE MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR. The seniors, the students, starving children and families, veterans, YES CUTS TO VET SERVICES. THE GREEDY ROMNEY AND RYAN. PLAN TO TAKE AWAY SOCIAL SECURITY,MEDICARE, MEDICAID, AND THE POST OFFICE!

Stop the war on women, stop the war on middle class and poor. Stop Ryan and Romney from crashing the economy again.

Vote President Obama/Bide 2012 and Team America Democrats

Roc...... Obviously those Occupy Campouts are over your head, stick to your camp outs at Jellystone Park.

What were those occupy camp outs about then? Flinging Poo and singing songs?

Hey, What about John Hynansky, Biden's Buddy, Stimulus package for Ukraine?

What then were all those Occupy Camp Outs About?

Anger.

1%er's are good then?

No libs want to discuss money to Biden's Buddy?

Must be GOOD!

Sorry children..I quit smoking when I was 5. Camel cigarettes. Sorry to disappoint your fantasies....an occasional ibuprofen now and then is as far as it gets......I don't think there is any drug that can artificaiily increase either of your IQ's......just keep reading our facts from dems and independents and it will help.

Studies show that when repubs brains are exposed to a certain stimuli, the part of the brain that is affected is the part that uses fear to process the stimuli presented. When democratic brains are exposed to same stimuli, the part of dem brain that is affected is the part of the brain that uses logic and reasoning to process that same stimuli........so....you are what you are....

BOOGA BOOGA ..monsters under your beds...gonna getcha!

BOOGA BOOGA monsters under the bed / Democratic Canidates?

3 cheers for Solyndra.

I've got my shovel ready! Use your magic laser focus obama!

Careful Gem the Unions are Watching.

AO,

Adding another l to your avatar does not provide you with a get of jail free card.

"Oh my there doesn't seem to be a page here anymore.

Sorry about that"

3 cheers for Solyndra.

And 4 cheers for Chrysler.

5 cheers for GM and GE they dont pay any taxes.

No google. I've heard enough without the red diaper thing lol.

Romney / Ryan 2012!

NEWSWEEK rocks! That Ferguson guy is my new hero.

Oh no. What is it?

Oh that. Yes, they need to back off about abortion. I'm pro choice but it wouldn't change my vote. (Its all about the economy for me) However, it will change alot of other peoples' votes. Romney was pretty quick to throw that guy running for senator under the bus for that stupid comment he made about rape, so hopefully he gets these other pro lifers in line.

Romney should just pull an obama and lie about it lol

seriously though, it would be a huge mistake to take a staunch pro life stance on abortion. let us pray, cross my fingers, etc. etc. lol

They need a moderate stance to keep everybody on board, and then lets get back to the economy!

I'm just trying to save America.

As Ben would say, "Obama Freebees"

Hey I gotta go guys. It was great seeing both of you. Have a wonderful evening and hope to see you again soon.

Same to you Gem!!!!!