Today the RNC will vote today on their convention platform which includes a Constitutional amendment to eliminate abortion even in the case of rape. The same as was in 2004 and 2008 platforms.

This is 180 degrees from what Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan said yesterday. So now the Presidential candidate and his VP pick do not agree with the convention platform.

In 2010 Paul Ryan the presumptive GOP nominee for Vice President, told the ‘Weekly Standard”, “I’m as pro-life as a person gets, we’re not having a truce” this was in a response to his cosponsoring with Congressman Todd Akin a bill, defining fetal cells as human beings which would make abortion murder, even if the life of the mother was in an emergency.

In 2011, Ryan also co sponsored a bill with Akin, ”No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act” whereby the GOP tried to narrow the definition of abortions as they related to rapes. The bill specified that only in instances of forcible rape would a woman be covered for an abortion under her insurance. Just in this Congress 112^th alone there have been several other bills, 8 in all, that were involved with on the topic of abortion and personhood which would give a fertilized egg all the legal right of a full human being..

Yet yesterday, the Romney campaign was quick to distance both candidates from that line of thinking, now both of them are in favor abortion rights in favor of rape victims. In making the announcement, the Romney campaign spokesman Andrea Saul (remember her) reversed Paul Ryan’s extreme opposition on abortion. This was a major etch-a-sketch moment. This is also the direct opposite of Romney’s position as he stated on the Mike Huckabee show in October 2011. When he stated , I would ‘absolutely’ support State Constitutional Amendment to Define Life as Beginning at Conception.

Now what remains to be seen is, will Paul Ryan go along with this strategy and allow himself to be etch-a-sketched. It would seem to me, that Paul Ryan, the GOP VP nominee, as a co-sponsor of some of these bills should be asked if he agrees if the states should have the authority to ban abortions in the cases of rape or incest. CNN is reporting the Republican Platform reports a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw abortions.

The Republican candidates have so far not shown the ability to say something and then stick with it, their statements are on shifting sands and are not believable. As someone who is pro-choice and who favors that politicians, men or women, should not be making health care decisions about women, as its frankly is none of their business, this is of great concern to me. For women who vote this should be of primary concern in choosing a candidate as we won’t be better off if the Republicans are in power.

Ron, Feisty, Dennis, GBM - top of the morning to you all.

The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics states that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, and 99% of rapists are male.

1. Paul Ryan opposes all abortions, and would ban abortion in cases of rape and incest. He voted 59 times against a woman's right to choose. Ryan supports hospitals in refusing to provide care in the form of abortion, even if she will die without it.

2. Paul Ryan co-sponsored a "personhood" amendment, that gives legal rights to a fertilized egg. He would outlaw abortions, in vitro fertilizations, and criminalizes some forms of birth control.

3. Ryan leaves women with nowhere to turn: Paul Ryan voted repeatedly to block Planned Parenthood and affiliates from receiving funds, leaving millions of women without comprehensive reproductive healthcare, family planning & preventive services like mammograms and cancer screenings. He opposes the ACA requirement that insurance companies cover birth control.

Makes one wonder. How many todd akin's are in the republican/tea party?

Makes one wonder. How many todd akin's are in the republican/tea party?

The Repub Whackadoodles will still vote for this guy. I even believe there are some women that will choose this guy over McCaskill. Unfortunate, but true.

They walk lockstep and do not deviate from the Collective. Akin is just brave enough to say what they think.

If this wasn't a presidential election, they would prop this guy up as the standard bearer.

As per the Ayn Rand principles he has advocated for so long, Paul Ryan completely pulls the rug on the non-wealthy 'leeches' of society.

Showing zero empathy, Ryan removes all the protections from women he possibly can:
By denying family planning, healthcare, safety nets like Medicare and Medicaid, food stamps, and voting against unemployment benefits, he makes women and their families as vulnerable as possible. With the goal of making women and mothers dependent on men and politicians to make their decisions for them.

RyanRomney/GOP are out to privatize healthcare, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security for profit, while voting against unemployment & payroll extensions that keep families afloat.

Gulp, Backhouse.

So, if a girl is molested by her mother's boyfriend, and becomes pregnant, there are no federal funds available for an abortion, according to Paul Ryan's "decree?"

I don't know anyone who is in favor of abortion. Terminating a pregnancy is not a welcome action, however, in the real world, there are many reasons why it may be best to end a pregnancy. And I'll be damned if Bishop Romney and Brother Ryan are going to be the ones that determine the circumstances. It is the woman's, or girl's, decision to make, NOT THEIRS.

Remember how yesterday, one footnote of First Read was the new e-book (read: couldn't get published) on Obama's campaign from the right wing news source founded by the former aide to the disgraced criminal ex-Speaker Tom Delay? Democrats are supposed to be in disarray, right?

And look at the actual news for the day: Republicans in disarray over Akin.

What a good laugh!

Dear Mittens and Queen Ann:

The reason you are having SUCH trouble understanding that you owe the electorate information is that you consider most people to be the lessors, the people who clean the stalls of the horses you own and charge the tax payer for, that clean your house(s), who do your laundry, take care of your children, in short, those folks that you like to fire on a whim.

Isn't it funny how all of a sudden that people you disrespect daily have charge of the thing that you want most? The White House!

You are so accustomed to being fawned over, deferred to, and having staff quake in fear at the very sight of you, you simply cannot make this adjustment and act with any sincerity toward the people who will be voting on your fate.

Ironic isn't? The little people finally hold sway, and neither of you can deal with it.

Did you ever stop to think those eight states are the states ( Utah, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Idaho, Arkansas and Georgia) the conservative republicans have kept poor and uneducated for years Joe. That's why they vote for republicans, they like being kept poor. There also the ones who depend on the government the most. the least generous states are the ones that rely on the government the least.

So true Mo. These people vote against their owe self interest.

Amy, yes women need protection, not politicians' games.

Under H.R. 3:
"Victims of statutory rape—say, a 13-year-old girl impregnated by a 30-year-old man—would be on their own. So would victims of incest if they're over 18. And while "forcible rape" isn't defined in the criminal code, the addition of the adjective seems certain to exclude acts of rape that don't involve overt violence—say, cases where a woman is drugged or has a limited mental capacity." (Michelle Goldberg)

Akin is obviously an idiot, and as such has handed this election to the other idiot in the race. Missouri sure does know how to pick'em.

Joe: Glad you enjoyed my post. Looks like I got under your skin...I win.

M0-681343

Almost every recipient of foodstamps and medicaid I personally know, votes Republican. They think other people are undeserving, but not them. It's really strange. A woman in my church, who is recently divorced and unemployed, had to sign up her daughter for Medicaid, in order to afford her healthcare. I was amazed as she sanctimoniously told me she was offended when the social worker volunteered that she could get Medicaid too. "Why should I be offered Medicaid, when I still have money in my savings account?"

The woman said "this is why I vote Republican." It was all I could do not to say "so pay for your daughter's medical care yourself, deadbeat mom."(But, of course, we were in church, so I kept my mouth shut :) And, yes, this woman is very charitable in serving at the soup kitchen, it makes her feel righteous, even as she, herself, taps the government's security net and claims the high ground by voting Republican.

And this is why I hate the new GOP. Unfunded wars, absolute government (when it isn't their own kids). Peeves me off to no end. And this dude is still ahead in the polls (Akin). It will take an apocalypse to bring this county together again....

This, from no jo, who daily posts links that have absolutely NO connection with her claims.

Guess what no jo: authors don't like that either.

"Naughty, naughty?" What are you, three years old?

The headline should have been "Akin stays and prays."

Good news.

Akin is now the new poster boy for the "Red White and Blue, he-man woman-haters party."

I love it. You hang in there Mr. Akin, don't let them bully you into withdrawing from the race!

Having an anti-abortion plank in the hypocrisy party's platform which their chosen candidate does not support only makes it that much sweeter.

What's that I smell burning?

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like victory."

INCOMING!

Obama/Biden 2012

"What I think these comments do underscore is why we shouldn't have a bunch of politicians—a majority of whom are men—making health care decisions on behalf of women," he said.

That's what the President had to say on the Akin remarks yesterday. He's right.

Joe in Albany - and if President Obama had not released his tax returns you right wingers would be foaming at the mouth; screaming at the top of your lungs; calling him a foreigner; a Marxist; a Socialist; a communist; a Kenyan - oh wait, you already do!

See how foolish you look? See how utterly dishonest Romney looks? He has put himself in the position of people saying whatever they want about his tax returns because - unlike EVERY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN MODERN TIMES - he refuses to release at least 5 years of tax returns.

The fact that you give him a pass shows how desperate the far right group is to get this charlatan elected. Pitiful that Romney is the BEST the GOP has.

Obama/Biden 2012

No Joe,

I did NOT copy it from anywhere. I heard it on the Daily Rundown and said it in my own words as I tried to recall what was said.

So if it were plagiarism it was 100% unintended and accidental.

Joe in Albany-

Looks like people in red states believe in freely giving their own money to charitable causes that support the poor, hungry, and less fortunate among us. While people in blue states like to keep their money in their own pockets in the hope that the govt will tax “someone else” other than them to support the poor, hungry, and less fortunate among us.

You failed to mention - although the study does, in detail - the influence of religous tithing on the findings. You didn't find it strange that the states at the top of the survey are all heavily religous, and that their contribution rate of 10% is the norm for tithes to your church?

I do like how the study's authors' wrote about the "tradition of tithing" in the Mormon church. It is pretty much required for active members.

Apparently you feel that tithes to your church go to "charitable causes that support the poor, hungry, and less fortunate among us." I disagree, I think that contributions to churches too often pad the pockets of their leaders or get used to support their political causes.

How much did the Mormon Church spend in the battle agaisnt gay marriage in Caifornia? How much has the Catholic Church spent int heir lawsuit against the ACA? How many hungry people would that have fed?

If a person says no and sex occurs any way rape has just occurred. Whether or not the victim resists is immaterial. The rapist may be a spouse, or someone else the victim loves. Rape is terrible whether or not the victim resisted. If the victim is rendered incapable of saying no through drugs, it is also rape, even if the victim is enthusiastic about the act.

Akin apologizes. "I misspoke."LIAR. And the Republican Party wonders why Women voters are deserting their Party in droves. This mans thinking lives in the the time of the dinosaurs. And he expects to be a Senator.

Please Ladies, don't even think about voting for these guys. Romney and Ryan will take you back to the 1920's. Bare foot and pregnant, just they way they like you.

What's next ladies? Will they take your right to vote away? PROBABLY.

OBAMA IN 2012.

Way to start Tuesday on First Thoughts, great job fellow "leftie liberals.

Why does Romney refuse to released his taxes? Does he really believe he can "run out the clock" and just hope all these questions disappear. Well, President Obama was asked about Mitt's taxes in the press briefing yesterday so the question will hound Mitt Romney all the way to election day. Romney, in his mind, is special you see. He doesn't have to play by the same rules as every other previous presidential and vice presidential candidate. He's got a dancing horse for goodness sake, how dare demand transparency from a guy with a dancing horse! Trust him???

Since 1976, the GOP Platform has contained a plank that would ban and criminalize abortion regardless of incest, rape, or the life of the mother. It seems that the life of a mother is irrelevant--it should be no surprise because, after all, the GOP views women as second class in addition to being disposable and replaceable.

We still haven't heard from Paul Ryan on Akin's statements.

Come on press.....somebody ask him the question.

It'll be funny to watch the debacle on the Republican platform and abortion, with Romney saying it's okay in cases of rape, but the platform says it isn't.

So much for avoiding social issues........next issue please.......

Smitty:Makes one wonder. How many todd akin's are in the republican/tea party?

As Feisty says the place is crawling with them. Let no one be fooled because a republican doesn't say much on this topic, we can be very sure, they vote for any legislation on any social issues. Women are their biggest targets and need to be ever vigilant in what is being presented in Congress. But most of all the candidates need to be asked the hard questions as to where they stand on these issues, and then the voter needs to take the answer with a grain of salt.

Honey, you wouldn't have that Akin feeling in your womb if ya had put an aspirin between your knees.

Skip: I checked out Dogs Against Romney. Got Jolie a shirt!

HA!

Thank you Akins! Democrats now have a poster child to plaster all over their ads. between now and November. A poster child of right wing ignorance. No doctor told him the things he said as they are false statements and out and out lies. The mind of the right wing is easy to create lies and then defend them. At least he hasn't tried to do that, but a republican friend said that Akin spoke the truth. Ignorance is everywhere in the republican party! Or is it stupidity?

Smitty -

Makes one wonder. How many todd akin's are in the republican/tea party?

All of them - where else would they be?

I don't think ALL Republicans agree with Todd Akin, but I would bet all those that DO agree are Republicans.

Bill, Fairfax - do you not even begin to understand how you contradict yourself? The left has never respected the ability of individuals to make their own choices. Indeed, those who choose not to embrace left wing ideas are seen as flawed beings in need of some serious attitude readjustment.

Yet it is the far right and the rest of the ignorant GOP who want to control women.

You're totally clueless and a total Republican. No a brain cell present - anywhere.

Rick - we'll even that out when we kick Joe Walsh out of the House for Illinois. You know, Joe I never want to or need to pay child support Joe. He's also the one running against Iraqi veteran Tammy Duckworth who lost both legs in a helicopter accident in Iraq. But, Joe thinks she talks about her service too much. Yep - we're kicking his sorry a** out!

Obama/Biden 2012 plus the House and the Senate!

Obama/Biden 2012

No Joe,

First time you were correct

This time you are wrong

Never heard of Hotsheet … how about a link?

no joe, no bo, nj

I see that after your disastrous foray here on Sunday, you have decided to go after someone else rather than admit your wrong-headedness.

What one republican says is what they all say. The lock step party owns Akin and what he says. To republicans, women are second rate citizens who need to have decisions made for them. Go Claire!

Raising taxes on the middle class, vaginal probes, vouchers, "legitimate" rape.......

....and you want to vote Republican why?

Bill from Fairfax,

Your statement :

"The left has never respected the ability of individuals to make their own choices. "

is a projection of the the highest order.

The fact is : The GOPTP has never respected the ability of women to make their own choices.

Now , you have a nice day living your delusion....

So the republicans are telling all of us that regulating women's issues, including abortions that are the result of rape and incest, are part of the entire party platform but there is no war on women. And then Romney-Ryan piss in your ear and tell us all that for reasons of rape and incest they would not oppose abortions.. Sure you are. They have been so truthful so far in the primaries and the general elections that we have no choice but to believe them.

Yesterday I went on the Grata Wire blog and read about Akin and one of the comments a woman posted was so amazing... She said that she does not believe in abortions but she could not imagine caring around the child of her rapist for 9 months. But at the same time, she would not vote for McCaskill because she was a democrat. So this woman equated the horror of giving birth to the child of her rapist to voting democrat... this is the base of the republican party in these red states. There is no hope for these people! These states rank among the worst in education, teen pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, obesity, lack of health care, low pay and yet they still continue to vote against things that would improve their way of live. Thank goodness we settled in the north east!

Deflection City Today! PWOOM! CLAANG!

Rape is rape!

Houston!

First Read:

Maybe the most striking part of President Obama’s impromptu news conference yesterday -- other than the timing -- was his justification for targeting Romney’s tax returns.

No, the most striking thing was Obama calling out Romney for making race-baiting lies about welfare reform the "centerpiece" of his campaign. At least that was the most striking thing to people who care about the truth. That doesn't include many corporate media pundits, though. They're more interested in promoting their narrative that the Obama campaign is mean and nasty for challenging Romney's lies. I guess the media think the Democrats should just assume the fetal position like in 2004, and let the Repubs work them over like in 2004.

Ah, Dennis, I see No Joe has pulled the "plagiarism" bunny out of her magic hat. Snookie Joe has a habit of accusing liberals of plagiarism when she can't defend her party's lunatic whackadoodles like Todd Akin and Paul Ryan and Roy Blunt and.....well, every GOPer in the House and Senate who have voted consistently to dismantle women's rights.

If we let the freaks from the Republican party take this country over we are infor a world of @!$%# and the thought of it should scare every person in thhis country

Good morning, everyone.

I can't stay long, and I apologize if someone else has already posted this, but I thought it too important to miss.

Yesterday, Mitt Romney said he was "too important to go to Vietnam."

Yes, those were his ACTUAL words -

http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/mitt-romney-i-was-too-important-to-go-to-vietnam

"That's a good question, young man, and I would be happy to answer it. The Vietnam War came at a time in my life when I had other plans. I knew in my heart of hearts that I would one day serve my nation. That I would one day hold an office that would help not only our nation, but also the world. So I did what I could to make sure that I would be around to serve my nation, as well as serving God by teaching very important religious principles to a broader audience overseas. My father did not want me serving, and he convinced me that yes, I was too important to go to Vietnam. I had a greater purpose in life. I wasn't neglecting my nation, but rather preparing myself for a future of service."

(emphasis added)

Does Romney really suppose that he had "a greater purpose in life" than the 50,000 other Americans who died in Vietnam, and the hundreds of thousands of Americans whose lives were ruined forever?

Does he think that none of them had "other plans"?

And does he think that service in Vietnam was not really "serving the nation"?

Seriously?

Can any self-respecting soldier or member of a military family actually vote for him after this?

Can you?

And as a special bonus treat, here is a link to a 290-page "cheat sheet" on Paul Ryan.

You mean there's even more than I posted yesterday? LoLoL

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102084820/American-Bridge-Paul-Ryan-Research-Book

Yum. Can't wait to dig in.

Akin, is an example of the true right-wing republican party... He shows just how far to the extreme far right the party of Reagan has gone...

If this is not an example of attacks on a women's rights, I don't know what would be...

It is insane to hear Republicans spinning the Ryan-Akin connection. On "Morning Joe" Joe Scarborough was upset challenging anyone to show where Ryan said the exact same thing as Rep. Akin did about a woman's body shutting down the pregnancy. Granted I don't think Ryan was stupid enough to say that on tape, however, all the Republicans are missing the point.

Point- Ryan believes and holds the same views about abortion when it comes to Rape and Incest as Akin does period. Only yesterday did Gov. Romeny state that he supports abortion in cases of Rape again flip-flopping to the winds of change, this is not what he stated in the Republican Primary Debates.

Women really need to push other women to examine their views and values and start asking the tough questions about their health and well being and do they want "Men" - dictating what they can and can not do with their bodies. Amazes me that there are women that still would support the Republican party in this day in age.

The report cited how "red states" give more to charities. which charities? utah was one named but tithing 10% of your income(Mittens was that the income on your return or does it include the money you hide offshore?)shouldn't count. Neither should money donated to these megachurches that buy mansions and corporate jets. last I looked there was no mormon soup kithcens or an Angel of moroni hospital. If mormon money goes to other causes but theselves and members I would like to see it. Please cite crdible sources not Faux Noise spin.

Rick - typical post from you - made absolutely not one frickin bit of sense. But nothing I didn't expect!

Obama/Biden 2012

Bill from Fairfax-

Another long-winded pompous post....this one about the dangers of being pompous?

The left has never respected the ability of individuals to make their own choices.

The Right, on the other hand, is totally in favor of individuals making their own choices - except for those minor decisions: like who you marry, what sort of probe you put into your body, or what to do with your body if you become pregnant.

Indeed, those who choose not to embrace left wing ideas are seen as flawed beings in need of some serious attitude readjustment. Best to send those lost souls to political rehabilitation camps where they can be appropriately indoctrinated into the self evident truths of the gospel according to the left.

The Right treats those who disagree with them SO much better! If you are GLBT, they try and "pray the gay" out of you, or call you "sinners and abominations", and outlaw you from your church or other organizations.

If you are pregnant and want/need an abortion, they treat you worse. Even if your health is in danger, or you are the victom of rape or incest, you are a "murderer". The Right get to decide if the rape was "forcible" or "legitimate".

But these imperious comrades on the left might consider accepting some friendly advice. Be careful when riding your high horses, falls from such great heights can be hazardous.

Imperious comrades? I prefer them to the holier-than-thou, self-righteous hypocrites of the Right - those who preach and pontificate and set themselves up as the ultimate arbitrators of what is right and wrong.

So what about you, Bill? Are you on a "high horse", or just a lofty throne high enough look down and judge everyone?

The report cited how "red states" give more to charities. which charities?

If red states are giving more to charities, maybe they should keep their money so they stop taking more money than other states from the federal government to support the people. You cannot give what you don't have, after all. Ugh, I really need my coffee.

Nobama 2012 Really, Things Could Be Worse-

Give Me Four More Years and I’ll Prove It

Things were worse. When Bush left office we were bleeding jobs at the rate of 700,000 per month. The DJIA was around 8,000 after touching 12,000 just a few months earlier. All major businesses (except Halliburton and others being fed by Bush's unending wars) were suffering loss of profit as the market for Houses, cars and retail goods tanked. Unemployment was rising faster than Halliburton's profits.

Now, car sales are up, retail goods sales are up, the DJIA is over 13,000 and we are creating jobs instead of losing them. Business profits increased 16% over last year and unemployment is dropping - not much, not as fast as anyone would like but it is the right direction.

The best way I see to make things worse now is to put the idiot Republicans back in charge!

I want Akin to stay in this race. Every day will be about his mumbling more apologies or offering no comment to reporters as he races to his car. Every day will be about ads showing republicans telling voters he is not fit for office. Every day will show Claire McCaskill showing voters what a courageous politician she is, one willing to serve the public rather than the moneyed interests.

It is @!$%#ing amazing to me that this jerkoff has two daughters and this @!$%# can still come out of his mouth. If they get raped by a stranger or a family member thier own father would ask them to keep that child, because it could not have been a legitimate rape if thier body produced a child. This is what it has come to just to win in the GOP. WOW!!!!!!

Bill Fairfax - Fortunately for the rest of us, such electoral death panels don't exist in today's America – at least not yet anyway. And those who would gleefully impose their enlightened will on the great unwashed will instead have to continue relying on elections.

Bill Fairfax glad to hear you are defending the right to vote for people like Dr. Ron, Amy and in your words the "insufferable David Walker". I agree with you. Voting is a guaranteed right that should not be limited to a select few, whether you classify in your mind "elitist liberals" or "freedom loving conservatives". So would you agree that limiting huge segments of the population on a faux claim of voter protection (voter id laws) is wrong? Should not all voters be allowed to vote? Why should access be limited or curbed by elimating early voting hours, stopping same day registration and passing id laws to address a "supposed problem" that has occured a few dozen times. Hundreds of millions of voters voting legally and only a few dozen voting illegally over the last decade does not a problem make.

Along with you, I want to continue relying of elections, by and for every voting citizen. So hope you can agree that the current GOP crusade to limit voting rights is the real problem.

Rick - you and your ilk prove daily there is no point in looking for sanity in the GOP since none exist. I read your post and - again -you don't make sense except to another low intelligence Republican. Keep trying - I'm sure your little GOP buddies will give you an "atta boy" to make you feel like a big boy!

Oh, and I'm laughing at your "put downs" since I can walk circles around you and yours any day of the week!

Yellowdog - I hope you're not holding your breath while waiting for Bill to agree with you. He's for any angle to get Romney elected!

Obama/Biden 2012

You mean the way the Administration wants to talk about anything other than the economy?'

You want to talk about the economy? Fine let's talk. Tell me how after thirty years of trickle-down economics not working, that Romney and Ryan think that it will suddenly just work? Riddle me that.

Bring on the pop corn...the Clown show continues

4 Years, 4 Tax Returns. 8 Years, 8 Tax Returns.

My Point....Release a Federal tax return for every year you want to hold Public Federal Office...

Hmmm.

Do you all realize Romney has only Released 1 tax return. One! And we should trust him?

Hmmm.

Anna Molly

I can't stay long, and I apologize if someone else has already posted this, but I thought it too important to miss.

Yesterday, Mitt Romney said he was "too important to go to Vietnam."

Yes, those were his ACTUAL words -

"That's a good question, young man, and I would be happy to answer it. The Vietnam War came at a time in my life when I had other plans. ... I was too important to go to Vietnam. I had a greater purpose in life. I wasn't neglecting my nation, but rather preparing myself for a future of service."

Wow. The sense of entitlement this guy has. It's no wonder he thinks he's entitled to tell any lie he thinks will get him into the White House. He's much more important than the truth is. As to what that veteran said to Romney at that rally, all I can say is amen.

Anna Molly,

Yes, Romney had other plans that were more important.

He wason a mission to convert some French Catholics into Mormons.

Wonder if he was successful?

NorthstarDFL

Anna Molly,

Yes, Romney had other plans that were more important.

He was a mission to convert some French Catholics into Mormons.

Wonder if he was successful?

A large proportion of the French population are atheists. It's no wonder, after getting a bellyful of sanctimonious twits like Romney preaching to them. So yes, maybe Romney did have an impact on those heathen Frenchies. But I'm not sure that making them more heathen than they were before he got there would exactly be a considered a success.

I pictue Joe in Albany sitting at his Star Trek captians chair every morning for first read. Someone says something he can't argue with, "Scotty, put up the deflector shields!", then posts some B.S. that means nothing to anyone. Rombot still looks like a tax cheat and Ryan hates women, so you come up with "More people give money to churches in states with more churches!" Wow, what insight Joey Genius! HaHaHaHaHa, what a Republitard! See, it works both ways Joey. If you choose to use a childish word coined by your hero, a drug addled high school dropout, (which seems dripping with irony relating to you) we're free to do the same. That should show you how stupid you sound, but I doubt you get it. And why do these same red states still thake more government handouts than blue states if your all such giving, charitable people? Could it be that tithing and giving to charity are two different things? Could it be that people in these states making over $50,000 tithe to their churches, but neither them or their churches give a crap about the poor and minorties in those states Joey? Keep posting nonsence here Joey in Albany, if nothing else you give us a look into how anyone could be dumb enough to defend the republican party.

Anna Molly: Romney and his delusions of grandeur. That makes him DANGEROUS.

Northstar - I don't think he could talk a person in the desert who was dying from thirst into buying water.

He'd screw it up somehow!

Obama/Biden 2012

@ Houston --

And if he was "preparing [himself] for a future of service," then what on earth were all those years spent at Bain Capital."

And if a "future of service" is the most important thing a person can do, then why are Republicans so critical of Barack Obama's career?

It just makes your head spin, doesn't it?

Northstar --

He was a mission to convert some French Catholics into Mormons.

Wonder if he was successful?

You can tell how successful he was by the number of Mormon outposts in France today.

And the fact that, in his honor, they renamed the cathedral then called Notre Dame into the cathedral they now call Notre Dames -- honoring all of Romney's great grandmothers.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/120131/mitt-romneys-great-grandfather-fled-mexico-pract

Romney's great grandfather, Miles Park Romney, fled to Mexico after the 1882 passing of the Edmund Act, which banned polygamy in the US. He married his fifth wife after the Mormon church formally banned the practice in 1890.

Mitt Romney said - "I was too important to go to Vietnam. I had a greater purpose in life."

Anna Molly, glad you posted this. He thinks he is/was so special. Unbelievable. I really think more than anything it shows how priveliged, pompous and perfidious this man was. When his country needed him he turned his back on her. Am I saying that he was obligated to volunteer, no. However, for one that was so gung ho and for the war, he could have at least not run to France. He could have sweated out the draft lottery and served like my uncles instead of "serving" as a minister in France.

New Day Dawning --

Anna Molly: Romney and his delusions of grandeur. That makes him DANGEROUS.

Well, we'll see. For now, I'm waiting to see the soundbite commercials that come out of that 30 seconds of unforced error dialogue.

It's only too bad he didn't sing the words.

Although, his singing skills ARE notoriously dangerous ... to dog's ears and to nearby plate glass.

Akins is just one example of Repugs loss of family values. Like Romney's aborted disposal fetus company the hypocisy just does not stop

Anna Molly -

Thank you for sharing as a Veteran - I would love to forward your links. Do you know of any video of him actually saying these things. It would be priceless!!! - If he actually said what you posted then he would be toast with the Military community. I will keep researching as well. Keep spreading the wealth.

Rick - nice try. You who could no more be objective than Romney could be down to earth. But, go with it - it's all you've got.

See if you liked me, I'd know I had slipped to a very low level so, I guess I'm doing just fine. I don't pity you because you choose to be ignorant and avoid acknowledging the stupidity of the Republican party. It's a choice you've made and it says everything about you and your lack of values.

Obama/Biden 2012

A Democrat has SEX with a 17 year old & the story gets BURIED.....

And yet the age of consent is seventeen, so why do you care again? Two legally consenting people had sex, look out!

Anna and Yellowdog --

Mitt Romney -- "I was too important to go to Vietnam. I had a greater purpose in life."

Whom does he think he is?????

That's the real question.

That was a good find, Anna Molly and I am glad you posted it. First time I have seen it. I suspect that Mitty was raised as the "crown prince" and may have trouble understanding that Americans eschewed royalty years ago.

Steve: that story about Gauthier is not buried. We in MN are outraged about it, and it has been front and center in the news. Good try at deflection.

I am sure the chickens will come home to roost but I am not so sure the results will be what the author or many of the regular malcontents here think they will be. The people are very unhappy and the lack of leadership and effective policy is obvious to most and political talking points are nothing more than hot air and bull@!$%# to many, many people. Yes I think the chickens are coming home and a lot of people are going to really be surprised where they land. But then again they usually are...

Yellowdog Mark --

When his country needed him he turned his back on her. Am I saying that he was obligated to volunteer, no. However, for one that was so gung ho and for the war, he could have at least not run to France. He could have sweated out the draft lottery and served like my uncles instead of "serving" as a minister in France.

I think you've hit exactly the right point here. A lot of others tried to avoid service in Vietnam, but most of them weren't acting as cheerleaders for the war while thinking they were "too important" to go there and that they had more important things to do than all of the other soldiers who were not given that choice.

In other words, Romney really believes it was right that all those other soldiers should sacrifice THEIR lives and THEIR dreams to fight in that war while he was left free to pursue his "greater purpose."

His greater purpose at Bain Capital, apparently.

@ nojoe --

Pregnancy from rape is NOT RARE. Unless you call an average of more than 25,000 such pregnancies every year RARE, and then what are you saying about the incidence of rape in this country?

Ironically, the 5 percent number you cite is actually the number of pregnancies that result from rape generally, which is exactly the same number as in the population generally.

Of course, that means that there are more than 300,000 rapes in this country every year -- the ones that are reported that is.

I often wonder how you feel, being a female, and yet being such a tool for rightwing dogma and propaganda.

If I were you, I would be ashamed of myself.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090513200754AAHBsbh

I often wonder about you, how does it feel to be a female and such a tool?

I have an idea...

Why don't we just put 2 posts out, the Democrat AND Republican talking points for the day, then everyone can just check vote up or not on these points, save alot of time reading the brainwashing that 99% of people that post here truly believe.

Just sayin.....

FORWARD NOT BACKWARD

From the article above:

This race is NOT WINNABLE for Akin anymore, period. All Claire McCaskill has to do is run ads featuring every quote from uttered yesterday by every prominent Republican in the country denouncing Akin as unfit to run.

And Senator McCaskill should win re-election, as she is the best candidate for the job.

The article continues...

But it’s clear the president wants to own this, and it also means he believes this strategy of targeting Romney’s wealth has worked to undermine the GOP candidate’s credibility with working-class voters in places like Ohio and Iowa.

Because this is what this election is about.

Democrats, Eisenhower/Reagan Republicans, and Independents are seeing that the Tea Party is taking away everything they have been working their whole lives for.

Democrat, Republican, and Independent Americans work side-by-side in Unions,

Democrat, Republican, and Independent Americans work side-by-side in Schools,

Democrat, Republican, and Independent Americans work side-by-side in Fire Protection and First Responders,

Democrat, Republican, and Independent Americans work side-by-side in Farming and Manufacturing,

We like America, just the way it is, and the way our parents lived in America, and the Tea Party-Austerity for the Wealthy class only is NOT what America is all about.

The Tea Party is just too extreme for America, and the Governor Romney/Congressman Ryan Campaign is not the answer.

Re-elect President Obama, keep the Senate, and Take Back the House of Representatives this November, and America will lead the world out of this Trickle-Down recession.

Salud.

Dawn, that is good news, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm still laughing about Miss Swiss Bank Account.

I have three dogs so I went with the Bandannas!

Keep Prayin' Akin and don't let them bully you out of the race!

Obama/Biden 2012

So many good points delivered here that truly need to be made part of the ad campaign against Flip and Flipper, the R&R boys. But remember, the GOP would vote for a troll if it was put before them as a GOP candidate. Look at how many of them are already in office.

The non-RWNJ poster-community here needs to take it public using every venue possible to do the very best they can to persuade women, the poor, the elderly, students, minorities and anyone making less than $100K that a GOP vote is a vote against their best interests.

Organize, unite, work together, and let's defeat this GOP assault on America.

AM......that is a jaw dropping piece you posted. Thank you for doing so and will read some more later.

There is no end to these imperious statements that come out of Mitt Romney's mouth. This is how he thinks all the time and will never change. It gives me a good window into how he would be if President. Thoughts of Richard Nixon and the Imperial Presidency( remember the uniforms he had ordered for the WH security) come to mind. And we all know how that Presidency ended and Romney is cut from the same cloth as Nixon only richer. That we do not want again, not ever.

Good idea, skip. Going back and ordering Sey a bandanna. Don't know why I didn't the first time!

Akins is nothing but a distasteful, smelly turd who stinks to high heaven along with the rest of the Republican Party who thinks they can shove their beliefs down our throats. There are many, many more who think just the same so be careful who you vote for. Vote Republican and you get more of this. The rest of them have tried to keep their mouths shut a little bit tighter but SURPRISE if they get elected.

Romney just doesn't get it. Yes, running for president makes your life an open book but he and his arrogant wife and sons as usual think they are special. They will find out just how special they are.

2 questions for Paul Ryan. Maybe it is 1 question asked 2 ways.

1) Is rape, rape?

2) What is legitimate rape, is there a grey area where it isn't quite rape? Please descripe the circumstances for this grey area rape.

@ nojoe,nobo,nj

How would you feel if, the 5% were:

Your wife, your daughter, your mother, your sister, your aunt, your (female)cousin,

your granddaughter, your daughter-in-law or your niece?

Rare becomes, HORRIBLE when it hits your family.

Bill in Fairfax -- The ONLY Party trying to INDOCTRINATE people is the Republican Party. Moderates or just plain fiscal conservatives are kicked out these days for not strictly following PARTY LINE. The people are fed this strict ideology via FOX "NEWS" and RUSH LIMBAUGH and if they do not adhere to it they are not considered a real Republican. Never question and TOW THE LINE, the Republican motto.

Ever notice how every time these righties talk about women it's always something sexual...

"Legitimate Rape" -- Sexual violence

Girl Scouts being called promiscuous and funded by Planned Parenthood -- Sexuality

Abortion -- Reproduction (Typically the result of sexual activity)

Sandra Fluke being called a 'slut' -- Sexuality

Is that all they see in women? A person they can judge from her boobs to her poo-nanny?? Do I really want to pay tax dollars to have people in Congress with that kind of mindset? Don't think so!!!

I do not apologize for having a consistent pro-life philosophy

I hope old Snookie-Joe's "philosophy" is more sound than her "biology"... lol

Here is a revelation she made only last Sunday!

Do you understand that rape disrupts ovulation?

Does that happen by the super secret rape deciding "secretions"?

Any man that knows as little about a woman's body as Todd Akin, must be gay. I think maybe Akin should claim to be a rape victim because obviously he has had something up his hind side? Oh that is right, you cannot claim rape if you enjoy it. Note, this logic applies to many, many, conservo-repulo-fascists.

JC in G --

I'm pretty sure this has not been overturned and that abortions are legal and available in the united states.

And I'm pretty sure you haven't been keeping up with all the state law developments, like in Oklahoma and Kansas and other right-wing states, where they have written regulations so tight that they have virtually assured that no abortions are performed by legal providers in those states.

Those states are more or less defying agencies like Planned Parenthood and other providers to challenge these regulations all the way up to what they know will be a receptive US Supreme Court -- hoping for Roe v. Wade to be overturned, at last. Rather than risk that for everyone else, providers in the oppressed states are trying to find ways to live inside the regulations.

So don't be so smug and dismissive without having better command of your facts.

So abortion may technically still be "legal," but it is becoming less and less available. In some states, its availability is virtually nil.

And that's NOT pro-choice.

Arthur66

But what did we expect from a President whose only private sector job was as a part-time law instructor??

The President didn't make Akin say what he said or Romney say he was too good to go to Vietnam or Ryan say that his aides must have requested stimulus money for his district because he surely never would. The President didn't make all these buffoons behave so idiotically.

Now, don't you be an idiot, too, by blaming the President for THEIR idiocy.

And remind me again, exactly what private sector job the great Ayn Randian Paul Ryan held before he became a Congressional aide and ran for office himself?

I believe fitness instructor figures in heavily. And something about pizza.

Anna Molly, DCIA - My uncles were drafted one uncle served in the 82nd airborne saw action in Vietnam never speaks about it. Another uncle was stationed in the States during the war. My Dad was airforce, had already been in since Korea, but thankfully wasn't part of Vietnam.

No Jo - I didn't see your dialogue on Sunday that others are commenting about. I thought you said that you were pro choice. You aren't trying to defend that Akin guy and his comments are you? If you are, why would you? You are talking percentages but there are women attached to those.

Aiken could be Romney's moneymate instead of Ryan....another flip flopper!

I said what I meant, when I said what I said, I meant what I said 100 per cent.

I meant what I said when I said what I meant, except now what I said when I said what I said.

Retroactively I said, not what I said, what I retroactively meant what I retroactively said.

Burma Aikin

Aikin is the mirror image of the republican party. The repubs create a bunch of bills including Ryan making having an abortion criminal no matter what the circumstances, how about attaching to the bill making it criminal for the guys that got them pregnant too? Repubs make WAR ON WOMEN!

Paul Ryan had a black girlfriend in college as reported on roots.com How is that going to play with all the racist black teabaggers. When Sarah Palin news came out about her black boyfriend came out she shut her campaign bus down. All the black hatred by the rt wingers towards President Obama now has become an issue among themselves.

Vote Obama/Biden 2012 and protect women's rights!

Are you so dumb as to not know Ryan has already said he does NOT agree with Akin?

Are you so dumb to think someone who co-sponsors legislation with Akin doesn't agree with him? lmao

Actions speak louder than words... buddy!

Writers from the Middle Ages and modern politicians alike have based their arguments on the idea that a trauma of the magnitude of rape can shut down the body's reproductive system.

The combination of misunderstanding and cherry-picked science even led some to conclude that a woman who says she was raped yet becomes pregnant must have been lying about the attack. Modern proponents of the claim repeat it despite empirical research showing that rape victims are at least as likely to become pregnant as women who have consensual sex, and possibly more likely.

http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basis-235231028.html

LogicRequired-

Paul Ryan teamed with Todd Akin on a bill that would have created a distinction between "rape" and "forcible rape" - pretty similar in tone to Akin's "legitimate rape" terminology. Ryan has also publically stated he is against all abortions, even in the case of rape or incest.

I have not seen where Paul Ryan has made a public statement that he disagrees with Akin - the Romney campaign made a blanket stement for both of them, then Romney followed up with a public rebuke.

Logic Required --

Are you so dumb as to not know Ryan has already said he does NOT agree with Akin?

And are YOU so dumb that you believe him?

Feisty has already dealt with this, but it's worth saying again that Ryan has co-sponsored with Akin EXACTLY the legislation that Akin was referring to the other day, plus a whole lot more ante-diluvian anti-woman legislation.

And YOU so dumb that you didn't know that?

And are YOU so dumb that you don't know exactly what a slippery little weasel Paul Ryan is -- a guy who claims he was inspired by Ayn Rand and made his own staff read her books, but didn't realize that her teachings were was totally antithetical to the teachings -- the ones about charity -- of his own religion?

Are YOU so dumb you didn't know that Ryan didn't disavow Ayn Rand until his own Church called him out?

And are YOU so dumb that you don't know that Ryan, who claims he opposed the stimulus, has now been caught having signed requests for stimulus money for companies in his own district, and when caught, he blamed it on his staff? What a COWARDLY sniveling weasel, and a liar, to boot.

Are YOU so dumb that you would support a lying, cowardly, sniveling weasel that hides behind someone else's skirt whenever he gets called out on anything?

Actually, from reading your posts, I believe you are.

So the bill that was co-sponsored was about rape? Really? Who are you trying to sell this $h!t to?

And yes, it WAS about rape, you idiot. You're so dumb you didn't know that, either.

I don't usually call people names, but in your case, given the display you've put on here, i'll make an exception.

And you're so vain you probably think this song was about you.

Jo the Obama hater. THe Republicans count on people voting against their own self interest. How do they do this?

By feeding a suceptible public a disgusting gruel of anti-islam, anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-science, anti-education gruel and convicing the gulllible hoi pollloi it's reallly filet mignon. TO paraphrase the cowardly lion. What make a man from a mouse? Propaganda! Hats offf to the RIght WIng for their superior use of this toool. I believe they are more effective because they are more prone to irrrational fears and thus, more likey to use them in their porpaganda - and the best propsganbda plays on fear an insecurity.

So the bill that was co-sponsored was about rape? Really

Yeah.. Really!

You might try a little more reading and a little less running off at the mouth prior to commenting!

GO back and READ my comment #1.3

Who are you trying to sell this $h!t to?

Someone who still has grey matter left between their ears... unlike you! ;o)

If you have a problem with this, you should advocate the elimination of the exemptions and the closure of the loopholes that make this possible.

Yes, that is why we intend to Democrat.

By the way, part of the Romney platform is to close these loopholes allowing for the flattening of tax rates which would lower them for everyone.

Interesting. So after a lifetime of approving of these loopholes that have added to his vast wealth, Mr Romney has now decided that he thinks they should be eliminated. And you are surprised that we view him with distrust?

Backhouse said:

Under H.R. 3, only victims of "forcible rape" qualify for federally funded abortions.

I don't know if you saw the story that was on the news over the weekend. A 16 year old girl in the Dominican Republic as diagnosed with leukemia--at the same time she found out she was 9 weeks pregnant. Because they have a very strict no-abortion policy there--they define life as beginning at the moment of conception--the doctors refused to give her chemotherapy for the leukemia because it would kill the baby. Late last week she went into early labor due to complications from the untreated leukemia, miscarried, then went into cardiac arrest also because of leukemia complications, and died.

Is this what this Act will do? And do we REALLY want this?

@JoAnn - 666954

Why isn't the media talking about the 30 GOP Congress members

drunk and swimming naked in the Sea of Galiliee?

Feisty,

Your 1.124 comment.

Reminds me of the movie Everything you wanted to know about sex but was afraid to ask.

I am guessing in the Akin sex world there are rape sperm lined up that are not good swimmers. I can see Woody Allen in the front "Ok boys, this is a rape, all the good swimmers in the back all you weak dog paddlers up front, on your mark, get set, drown".

Not making light of rape, I am making light of Akin's absolute stupidity. I feel sorry for someone who was brought up thinking that way.

Anna Molly,

Thank you for responding to my questions to Amy B.

I do in fact keep up on legislation that involves abortion. While it is hard to get up to date data, I will use your example of Kansas. Facilities in Kansas have seen a decrease in the number of abortions in recent years that could easily be tied to new regulations. Like the regulation that requires a healthcare worker to council someone seeking an abortion on alternative choices. However, as I said, they are still available and they are performed, even in Kansas.

You stated: "where they have written regulations so tight that they have virtually assured that no abortions are performed by legal providers in those states."

According to the latest statistics that I have found, abortions are still performed in Kansas. The number is not "Virtually nill".

As far as your conspiricy theory that republicans as a whole want to outlaw abortions and overturn Roe v Wade, you will have a hard time defending that based on facts. Yes, as a general rule, Republicans and Christians tend to be anti-abortion. That does not mean they are all anti-choice. There is a big difference between the two. Amy B expressed her belief of that also; wow! I am quite sure that in your or my lifetime, Row V Wase will not be overturned. If you have facts that show it will be, please share them with me.

Many Democrats and Republicans have stated that they are anti-abortion. I don't think you will find a lot of people that are "Pro-abortion". You will find that they are Pro-choice.

You did not respond to my question about government funding of abortions. Do you believe that tax dollars should be used to pay for abortions? Do you believe that they already are used for that, like in the case of planned parenthood? If not, then please tell me how defunding planned parenthood would limit the number of abortions that they perform?

IllogicObvious,

I do not believe a word out of Ryan's mouth. I want to see his reactions and I want him to answer the questions. I want to see how he formulates his answer. He is a pro-birther who wants these women to bring the fertilized egg (not a life) to full term, but then not fund women's support groups, or medical care for mother and child.

If he will commit to taking care of woman and baby, ie pre-natal care, and care for mother and child once the baby is born, I will move towards believing his concerns, though the margin of differences is huge.

@ JoAnne, PA--

You're right that the Romney incident, if it occurred at all, would have occurred back in June. Haven't been able to source it yet, sad to say, from a mainstream media outlet, but that alone doesn't convince me that it never happened.

These aren't the good old days of reliable journalism, you know.

In the meantime, here's another little something that I did find while I was searching the topic. The mainstream press never really picked up this, either. And that's Mitt's love-hate relationship with uniforms, in the context of his decision not to make himself eligible for the Vietnam draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_uiASxHUho

Same sense of entitlement.

@ JC in G --

The rest of your post is filled with misinformation, and so I don't plan to parse with you on that. You really need to check your facts. Abortion is now only available at one outlet in Kansas, and because of the regulations placed on it, is in fact virtually nil.

But this one thing is worth my time --

You did not respond to my question about government funding of abortions. Do you believe that tax dollars should be used to pay for abortions? Do you believe that they already are used for that, like in the case of planned parenthood? If not, then please tell me how defunding planned parenthood would limit the number of abortions that they perform?

Frankly, i don't care if government funds abortions or not. Thats YOUR religion talking, and I don't necessarily subscribe to it, nor do I appreciate YOUR ramming your own religious viewpoint down other people's throats. I don't care what your religion says, and I don't want you messing in mine.

Defunding Planned Parenthood, ironically, would probably have no effect on abortions, and that's merely a straw man argument constructed by right-wingers. What defunding Planned Parenthood would do that's so insidious would be to deny OTHER health care services to women, including family planning services that are intended to AVOID abortion, as we'll as cancer prevention and detection services.

Over 3 million women use those services every year.

That's what YOU would deny.

Anyone notice how the right keeps trying to change the subject of this thread? Amazing; everything from Global Climate Change to 2nd Amendment rights. Why would that be? The Republican (or should we now refer to it as NeoRepublican) Party is on the verge of implosion. First the news is full of Mr. Akin and his interesting comments regarding rape. Next we have Willard and Paulie in the news trying to distance themselves from Mr. Akin's pronouncements. Next we have reports in the news of Paulie's co-sponsorship of a bill with Mr. Akin redefining rape (Mr. Akin's "Legitimate Rape"). Now we have news reports of both the GOP vote on a platform which would outlaw abortion even in the cases of incest and rape; at the same time Willard and Paulie stating they are ok with abortion in the case of rape.

We have a schizophrenic party meltdown of historic proportions developing and this should get interesting. So, who will waffle? Either the Party reverses course on the platform or the two NeoRepublican Candidates reverse their current statements regarding abortion. There is however a third alternative; a wild-card candidate nominated at the convention. Here's the problem I see with that; they may be able to shore-up the red meat base and perhaps the conservative base and maybe even the evangelical base, but they will just further alienate Independents. I suspect this is going to be an election like we haven't seen in our lifetimes.

The FDA has considered revoking their approval of the drug Avastin, which is used to treat patients with advanced-stage breast cancer. The FDA is not considering revocation of approval because the drug has been found to be unsafe, but instead because the drug is costly, to the tune of $8,000 a month. As the Washington Post notes:

The FDA is not supposed to consider costs in its decisions, but if the agency rescinds approval, insurers are likely to stop paying for treatment. (11)

The harm that comes to women through ObamaCare may not just be through the fallacies of what ObamaCare claims it does for women, but also through cost-based prohibitions on certain treatments and drugs, like Avastin, that very well could save lives.

This guy epitomizes all that is wrong with the GOP. He is a selfish, ignorant, insensitive religious moron and should step down and let somebody else who has common sense run for that office. Mixing religious beliefs (regardless if they are right or wrong) with public office is going to cause problems with the GOP.

That is not to say the Democratic party is faultless either......

kenva,

But you are ok with taxpayer money that goes to help victims of other violent crime … right??

Anna Molly said;

And I'm pretty sure you haven't been keeping up with all the state law developments, like in Oklahoma and Kansas and other right-wing states, where they have written regulations so tight that they have virtually assured that no abortions are performed by legal providers in those states.

There was an article from the Texas Tribune that said women in Texas are sneaking over the border into Mexico to get a drug called Misoprostol that, while it is usually prescribed for treatment of ulcers, can be used in medical abortions. These drugs are dispensed in Mexico with no warnings or dosage instructions, and women were getting sick--and still remaining pregnant. Jessica Pieklo of Care 2 causes says the fact that US citizens are going to a different country for services they can't get here is an abomination.

The FDA has considered revoking their approval of the drug Avastin,

Ahhh... I see you can't defend your filthy lie...

So you've moved onto the next nontroversy!

*yawn*

PS: You need to source your quote, otherwise the nut job from NJ will be all over you like white on rice for plagiarism! lol

This stupid issue has become another deflection and distraction from the real issues. The media and the Obama administration are now working hand and hand and I'm not going to pretend this is a real debate. Paul Ryan has a wife, a daughter, and two sons, there is no real argument he would put his wife or daughter in danger, or that he would consider his daughter a victim of a rape but not a legitimate rape. He simply does not stand for what Akin said or the things you claim he stands for. It's a great distraction and helps with the fact Obama was losing on the medicare debate, but provides no real substance, just political dogma and red meat for the extreme left wing in this country.

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)

We can all talk about who the "tea party are, why they are, who gave them the power to hijack the republican party, etc., all we wish. Surely, if we are honest, we all already know. History reveals that small faction of "liberal republicans" of the 40,s through the 60's were no more than an aberration, likely due more to "prevailing circumstances of that time", rather than a core bending of such, by the party as a whole. Since the election of "Richard Nixon" republicans have coalesced into a tighter and tighter core of ugly extremism, and in truth, often "out and out thuggery", which today, reveals a quite distinguishable piece of dark and ugly political art. Its lines and representations vividly illustrate Mankind's most base qualities. One can note ample racism, greed, exploitation, power mongering, much superstition, prevarication, all connected with the pale cords of lunacy. Many will take issue with me, claiming I interpret the "abstraction" with "amateurish knowledge, and therefore I present notations of erroneous meaning and intent. Those who make such claims, I contend, are gwaddamn liars, who indeed know they are such. The presentation is wholly, even in this age of high technology, yet, a two dimensional design, that will eventually be cast upon histories garbage heap.

@ JC in G --

I ran out of time up above.

Frankly, I find your posts condescending, as if you somehow have the moral high ground, but you provide no hint of where that might come from.

You pretend you're "pro-choice," when quite clearly you are not. If you were really pro-choice then you would respect the rights of women to make their choices, and you would respect MY rights as a taxpayer to want MY tax dollars to go to fund Planned Parenthood, including abortion, if that's necessary.

Like you claim to be, I am really pro-choice. I would never have had an abortion myself, nor would I want my daughter to have one. But I also realize that it's her choice. There is no clear answer to the question of when life begins. Some religions answer that for themselves, but that isn't science, and your religion isn't mine.

So back off.

You have no right to have your particular religious views reflected in government policy. If the majority of citizens want Planned Parenthood to be funded, and that includes abortions, that's none of your particular business. Go to church and pray for my soul, if you like, but otherwise stay out of policy when you are not in the majority. And you're not.

Freedom of religion does not mean freedom only for YOUR religion. It also means freedom for MINE, and for that of others.

And professing to be pro-choice while rather transparently arguing exactly the opposite position does not make you moderate.

Freedom of choice means exactly that. And not just YOUR choice.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Are you so dumb as to not know Ryan has already said he does NOT agree with Akin?

Are you so dumb to think someone who co-sponsors legislation with Akin doesn't agree with him? lmao

Actions speak louder than words... buddy!

Please tell me no one actually believes that a politician is FOREVER BEHOLDEN to another person's ideas simply because they co-sponsored one bill with them.

So does Barack Obama think all flight attendants are "bitches" because he sponsored a bill with Chuck Schumer? What about Obama co-sponsoring a bill with pro-life and anti-gay marriage Republican Richard Lugar?

This guilt by association type of tactic wreaks of desperation, especially considering how strongly ALL candidates came out against Akin's remarks.

Roe vs. Wade will not be overturned so can we focus on the real issues? I want to hear what the candidates plan to do about the fact that we have had unemployment over 8% for 42 straight months. What are their plans to reduce foreclosures throughout the country? Or what they will do to support small businesses hardest hit in the recession?

kenva said:

but, there's a difference between my feeling sorry for a woman who was raped and not wanting to pay for her abortion. If she's related to me, most likely I would help. But for women I don't even know, no, I won't pay for your abortion.

What if the one needing the abortion was a ten year old girl who's been raped by her foster father?

IllogicObvious,

You accuse the Obama Administration of creating deflection from the real issues. LOLOLOLOLOL the phucking idiot moron Akin made the statement.

Your delusions are quite comical.

JoAnne in PA

While I would not really be all that surprised to learn that Romney said he was "too important" to go to Vietnam, in all fairness, I'm afraid I have to question the validity of this quote. After a fair amount of searching, I can find it repeated verbatim on a number of blog sites, but nowhere in an actual news source.

Hmmm. I think you may be right. All of the web pages on this story seem to have been posted within the last week, even though this was supposed to have happened back in June.

It sounds plausible because Romney really did say that his sons were serving their country by working for his campaign rather than going to Iraq. And Romney was a cheerleader for the Vietnam War that he avoided. But I think we were a little too quick to believe this story. It's getting enough web coverage that Snopes or someone will probably investigate if it's true or not.

kenva

I know idiots like Feisty and SeekingSanity won't understand the difference, being the welfare sucking toads that they are, but, there's a difference between my feeling sorry for a woman who was raped and not wanting to pay for her abortion. If she's related to me, most likely I would help. But for women I don't even know, no, I won't pay for your abortion. Nor am I responsible for paying for it. I know Feisty and Seeking think I should, but that means squat to me. I really don't give 2 s*its what Feisty and Skank think.

Strange; I felt responsible to defend you and your family for 20 years as a member of the United States Armed Forces. I had no idea I was simply being a chump and should have stood back and watched T-72s run over your entire family...sillyassed me. Why don't you move to Virginia with the others who want open revolution when Obama wins. That way we have a nice consolidated target.

Logic Required --

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother's life. (Oct 2003)

So what? As I understand it, his most recent position was no abortion, no exceptions.

Mitt Romney used to be pro-choice, too. Or are you just too dumb to know that?

And Ryan also voted for a lot of things back in the 2000s that maybe we should also hold him accountable for.

Like two unfunded wars, the unfunded prescription drug benefit, the unfunded Bush tax cuts, the unfunded No Child Left Behind, and the unfunded TARP bank bailout.

And now he's a deficit hawk who wants to save social security and Medicare.

Really? Maybe we should take a look at his votes in 2011 and 2012 and see how that actually comes out.

He voted for a few things then, too, that are now contrary to his espoused positions.

Heck, even Mitt Romney doesn't support the Ryan budget.

And before we're through with Paul Ryan, he'll probably disavow that, too, as just some numbers proposed by his staff that he never really looked at very closely.

He's all yours, now, LR -- embrace the little sniveling, lying weasel.

Anna Molly,

There are currently 5 clinics in Kansas City Kansas (Not including the rest of the state) that are open and performing abortions.

So if you simply want to make up facts and then tell me that I am wrong, you are correct, it is a waste of time.

If you care to have a honest discussion, please keep it honest. You have not attacked my religious beliefs. Please tell me what my religious beliefs are? While that is a nice diversion, it really does reak of a "Strawman" tactic you have accused me of.

You stated that you don't care if abortion is publicly funded. Is that the same as saying you think it is OK to publicly fund abortions. I can simply state that I don't believe abortions should be publicly funded. Can you?

Let me try your tactic: Well, everything you have said is wrong, so I guess I won't respond to it. You don't like Nascar so you must be all for increasing the national debt. Why do you want our future generations to have to pay for a debt that you want built up simply because you don't like Nascar. Every other person in the world loves Nascar. You are the only person that does not. I have statistics that prove my point. I am correct and you are wrong...

You know if anything should be worrisome here it is this thing that is obvious. The GOP do not care who their candidate is, they don't need to know anything or have any personal opinion because they will get the order every day as to what they will vote for or against. There is no representation of the constituents only a class order. When that happens we are no longer a democracy and our country has failed.

It constantly amazes me how some people will give or do anything to have what they perceive as Power while the rest of us could care less.

The left has never respected the ability of individuals to make their own choices.

Let's see, the GOP is against women's reproductive choices, gay people's marriage choices, and minorities' right to choose their elected officials. Yeah, I can totally see where you got that idea (Fuxnews).

You women folk better git to the polls this November. Might be the last time you git to vote. We gonna stop you from driving, stop you from votin', then dress you from head to toe in a modest wrap...then put you barefoot and with child in the kitchen to cook up some grub. Yes sir, the Grand Ole days are returning. No more listening to your yappy mouth. To think, we would be inspired by the Taliban...don't that beat all?!!!

The GOP platform.

Rape is legal.

Domestic violence, is a family matter.

Ahhh... I see you can't defend your filthy lies... What lies, I do NOT defend what Akin said but do not try to attribute his stupid statement to others just because they once worked together. (Obama / Bill Ayers) Ryan has a very pro-life stance which I have no problem with, and not wanting to spend tax dollars on abortions, even in case of rape, I don't find to be in the same context of wanting to put rape into two categories, rape, and legitimate rape. Basically Ryan's stance is not different then that of Bush, or most pro-lifers who make up the majority of Americans these days.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/Pro-Choice-Americans-Record-Low.aspx

So you've moved onto the next nontroversy! Just pointing out other interesting things that weren't approved for distribution by the Obama campaign.

*yawn*

PS: You need to source your quote, otherwise the nut job from NJ will be all over you like white on rice for plagiarism! lol - I thought putting things in quotes is your way of showing you didn't write it, hence the quotes. Either way here you go.

http://savingourhealthcare.org/newsroom/detail.php?c=2411261

Feisty your a good liberal soldier always quick to post the party line and try to attribute things to people they never said and had no involvement in, but please spare me your routine on this lame attempt of an issue. You want to attack Akin and tell people they should not vote for him and he should step aside I will actually join you, but trying to make this something it's not is obvious and not really up to par for even you liberals.

Ryan Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)

Itripledog @1.162

"What are the candidates going to do about the 8% unemployment?"

Why don't you ask the Republicans because that is the exact thing they ran on in 2010.......We Will provide jobs and fix unemployment............and then what did they do about it except blame Obama and focus all of their energy on making him a one term president and did NOTHING for the unemployed.

Vote in the Republicans again so they can reduce taxes on themselves and their rich millionaire club buddies and charge it to the middle and working class who will be very busy looking around for health insurance companies that they can afford.

Kenva --

I really don't give 2 s*its what Feisty and Skank think.

And we in the Society of Skanks don't really care what you think, either.

Because taxpayer dollars that fund Planned Parenthood are our tax dollars, too.

There have been many cases like the ones I see posited above, including the case of a 9-year-old Brazilian girl impregnated with twins by her step father. According to Akins she must have liked it.

In any event, when her mother and doctor facilitated an abortion for her because her doctor concluded she could not survive the pregnancy, the benevolent Catholic Church excommunicated them and left the step-father alone.

From what you've said, I'm guessing that if that family had not had enough money to pay for that little girl's abortion, you would have been fully content to let her die from consequences of the rape perpetrated by her stepfather.

Just who is the Skank in this picture?

Got a mirror?

LogicReguired

Ryan has a very pro-life stance which I have no problem with, and not wanting to spend tax dollars on abortions, even in case of rape, I don't find to be in the same context of wanting to put rape into two categories, rape, and legitimate rape. Basically Ryan's stance is not different then that of Bush, or most pro-lifers who make up the majority of Americans these days.

Self delusion is not pretty. If the majority of Americans were "pro-liffers" (anti-choice) Roe v. Wade would be history not law.

Anna,

The Topeka center for womens health in Topeka Kansas performs abortions. There phone numnber is nine one three four nine one six eight seven eight. I called them and they said that they have the facilities to perform abortions and are within the law to do so.

I am pro-choice. I guess you don't like that a non-left person can be pro choice. You have decided that I am lying. You also embelish that with

statements that my belief is rooted in some religion. It is not. But believe what you will. I don't believe that you are pro choice. I believe

that your religion guides your beliefs that say a women should not have an abortion. That is why you

don'tr want your daughter to have one.

Wow. So many posts on this thread without being shut down. Must be "Liberal Day." Excellent!

@David Walker, you always put a smile on my face. Hang in. Always my favorite read, after Feisty has been shut down.

@AmyB...Call me. Maybe.

JC in G --

You stated that you don't care if abortion is publicly funded. Is that the same as saying you think it is OK to publicly fund abortions. I can simply state that I don't believe abortions should be publicly funded. Can you?

No, because I don't believe it. Or did you think this was a trick question?

And by the way, you have no right to force YOUR beliefs on me or anyone else just because you personally believe it.

Otherwise, we would have had no war in Iraq, if I had had the right to block it just because I wanted to block it.

That's not how government works. Get a clue.

As for facts about Kansas, here are mine --

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2011/06/30/6983317-kansas-abortion-ban-starts-tomorrow-update-one-clinic-remains?lite

I stand by this until you show me something else. The only operating abortion clinic that I know of in Kansas is the Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland.

Where are your facts?

But believe what you will. I don't believe that you are pro choice. I believe

that your religion guides your beliefs that say a women should not have an abortion. That is why you

don'tr want your daughter to have one.

You can believe what you want about me, JC in G. And my daughter doesn't need an abortion right now, and as far as I know, she never has. But if she ever did, it would be completely up to her.

And I don't care if my taxpayer money funds abortions that poor women may choose to have for whatever reasons they choose it.

So, if that doesn't make ME pro-choice, then you're simply not pro-choice, either.

I rest my case.

Anna Molly said;

There is no clear answer to the question of when life begins.

Here's what I believe: If we found a single-celled microbe on Mars, it would be 'alive' if it can perform the functions of life on its own--react to the environment, maintain its own existence by consuming food and expelling waste, and reproduce--it is life and it is alive.

An egg in a woman's body is a cell. It is life, but it is not 'alive' in the sense that it cannot react to its own environment, cannot maintain its own existence by consuming and expelling, and cannot reproduce. It is life, but it is not alive. We women flush one or more of these out once a month when the Little Red Friend comes knocking, and there is no outrage over this because it is not alive.

An egg in a woman's body that has joined with a male sex cell is a zygote. It too, would be life, but is not alive. There are times a zygote fails to implant and is flushed out of the body with the uterine lining during the menstrual cycle. There is no outrage over this either because it is not 'alive', even though it has the potential to be. In order for it to become alive it will need to implant to the lining of a uterus which will nourish it for the next 9 months, and at this stage it is a fetus.

Now, somewhere in the middle of that, at about 20 weeks it becomes capable of being alive even if it has been separated from the uterus that nourished it. It might need mechanical help to do so, but it is alive; it reacts to its environment, it consumes and expels waste,and its reproductive organs are formed. While it may need time to mature, it is life and it is 'alive'.

Akin was really just saying what the republicon party platform is. That is why he is so unapologetic, and R & R are so quiet about this. They are for exactly the same things he is. After all, this has been in the party platform since 1976.

Are they likely to change their republicon party platform now? "State Rape" McDonnel is in charge of their platform committee.......

AMAZING....

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

Anything to divert attention from Obama's FAILED agenda/policies.

You got it:

Romney-Ryan 2012 to take back America from the radicals.

Anna,

A 3 month old posting by a left wing radical newscaster? That is your proof? Too funny. I have provided

you with a phone number of another clinic that does abortions. Please don't respond to this fact because it is contrary to your claim.

I will keep your post for postarity the next time the topic of PP subsidizes abortions with tax dollars comes

up on this thread.

I would be all for public funding PP if they did not perform abortions. That way the millions of women that

need their services could get them. The thousands of women that only want abortions could use the private

insurance that Obamacare mandates to get their babys out-a-there...

Why isn't the media talking about the 30 GOP Congress members

drunk and swimming naked in the Sea of Galiliee?

@ Sandy, they are talking about it.

Not to excuse it but I believe it was one member swimming naked.

Self delusion is not pretty. If the majority of Americans were "pro-liffers" (anti-choice) Roe v. Wade would be history not law.

I linked the poll genius that showed Most Amercians say they are Pro-life.

Americans now tilt "pro-life" by nine-point margin, 50% to 41%

So the bill that was co-sponsored was about rape? Really

Yeah.. Really!

That's funny I thought the bill was about federal funds going to abortions EXCEPT in cases of rape. If you read the bill you see both Akin and Ryan made "exemptions" to victims of forcible rape. I don't know who wrote the words forcible but both continued to support the bill even after the word was removed. So in other words Ryan is OK with federal funds being used for abortion in cases of rape. This bill in no way shows Ryan as trying to make any distinctions because as I said he supported the bill with both versions, meaning he doesn't need the rape to be categorized.

Federal funding for abortions is prohibited under the Hyde Amendment, but there are exceptions in cases of rape and incest. The 2011 No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act would have applied that exemption to victims of "forcible rape," although it did not define what constituted forcible rape.

Ryan joined Akin as a co-sponsor of the bill, which passed the House of Representatives after the word "forcible" was removed, and then foundered in the Senate.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/375898/20120821/paul-ryan-abortion-akin-legitimate-rape-romney.htm

Mike in SA #1.118

Who REALLY cares about anyones school records? Show me Romneys then. Or Ryans.

From factcheck.org: factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

Q: Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?

A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.

The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense.

In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either.

So as with earlier versions, this is little more than an attempt to raise suspicions by asking for records that aren’t ordinarily made public, without any evidence that those records contain anything derogatory. We’ll take the claims and questions in the order they appear.

Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.

Here we go again...........

Why was Ron Indiana (1.1) comment collapsed???? There's nothing wrong with it.

I'm really starting to wonder about this site and exactly who is in control of it. It's obvious to me that this site is getting more and more one sided and narrow minded every day.............only a really stupid person wouldn't be able to tell which side the "community" is on.

Oh--I'm sure the "community" will collapse this comment also...........

David Walker and anyone else concerned about "collapsed comments by the community" : there is a box with a plus sign next to the person's screen name--click on it, and you can read the comment (s).

And by the way, you have no right to force YOUR beliefs on me or anyone else just because you personally believe it.

No one cares about you, we fight to protect the unborn child (person) who according to you has no rights to live. It is not religion that tells me it's a life, it's science. 22 days after conception their is a heartbeat, you stopping that heart beating is no different then me stopping yours. Science, not religion tells me when there is a beating heart, completely seperate DNA, and even its own blood type.

Smitty 1.10

you said:

Makes one wonder. How many todd akin's are in the republican/tea party?

i suppose, about as many Kerry Gauthier's as there are in the Democratic party.

Why isn't the main stream media talking about the Democratic Representative from Minnesota caught with a minor doing nasty things?

I think you're going to have to try a little harder. 17 years old is perfectly legal under Minnesota law and you can't argue that there's a significant difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old mentally.

The first-term legislator wasn’t charged in the alleged July 22 encounter because the legal age of consent in Minnesota is 16 and no money was exchanged

Well, the NBC pro-Obama propaganda machine never fails to disappoint, neither do the Obama supporters. Real journalism explores both sides of a issue, gives equal time to both sides. Propaganda only pushes one agenda and does so to push one candidate. GE used to own NBC and they have made billions for their Obama propaganda propagation. Comcast, not being stupid, have also done extraordinarily well promoting Obama.

We have the best politicans money can buy and those politicans return the favors using tax monies, preferrential treatment and favorable legislation. Both sides do it. Go to Fox and you have republican propaganda, most of the other media fall into the liberal camp. Sadly, the uninformed are easy prey for the propaganda machines and they vote based on what the propaganda told them to think.

The republicans are idiots and the democrats are idiots and anyone who slavishly adheres to the propaganda are the bigger idiots. We desperately need other parties and other candidates, more options and more informed voters. Extremism is what is masquerading as policy and it destroys nations. Where is the middle ground and why do we always have to hold our noses and attempt to pick the lesser of evils?

JC

prefix for numbers in Topeka are 785

prefix for numbers in Overland Park are 913

These cities are about 50 miles apart.

I am not going to research this from my work computer; but I know from living and working in this vicinity that efforts to REDUCE the ability to get an abortion have been intensified by Republicans in the state of Kansas. And efforts to excoriate unwed mothers, welfare queens and all of the other derogatory memes for those needing financial or food assistance is also in HIGH extreme.

Which pretty much answers the question, "What is the matter with Kansas?" - They are morons with absolutely zero clue about cause and effect, unintended consequences, A/B outcomes and pretty much any of the critical thinking skills that should go along with a conversation of this magnitude and importance.

It should be noted that they DO appreciate the occassional Frat Boy Skinny Dip,...whenever and wherever it becomes available. Wives at home, notwithstanding.

AM, proud of you, girl! You've done quite well with my gauntlet. Normally I would throw down with you; but I can't add anything that makes the point better. so, thanks!

Alan, NJ

Who'd have thought the Democrats would try and hang on to power using social issues? The two parties really have morphed into one big indistinguishable mass.

Technically, the Democrats don't hang on social issues; we just pounce on 'em when they show their faces. And actually, the two parties are farther from each other then they have been in decades.

"There is simply an establishment party with two wings" John Meacham.

I want a third party that is fiscally responsible and socially liberal (in that it stays out of everyone's personal business).

In some issues (particularly foreign policy and education), both parties seem different, but on most other issues, they are far apart. Take social issues like abortion and fiscal issues like tax policy.

And by the way, there is a party that is fiscally responsible and socially liberal: they are the Democrats. Under Clinton, they balanced the budget via taxes and spending cuts (with the help of the dot-com bubble and the Republicans). Nowadays, deficits CANNOT be cut in the short-term because of the recession; over the long-term, yes.

Bloomberg, Huntsman et al its time to use your billions. Your country needs you.

Yes; keep the Tea Party from sending America back to the Dark Ages.

I think Romney is the first wealthy guy that America has had to run for president and actually have a chance at winning in nearly a century. FDR and JFK may have been rich, but they didn't act like it. They didn't advocate for supply-side tax cuts or deregulation; they were for the people, not for the elite. Essentially, they were traitors to their class. Romney is the embodiment of the 1%; low taxes, wants to cut taxes even further for the wealthy, and plans to pay for it with massive cuts to discretionary programs and the safety net. He is also quite arrogant, along with his wife; it seems as if they think that they are better than the electorate and that while they have the right to ask Americans to vote for them, we do not have the right to know more about them.

In addition, a Romney presidency would be the most radical administration in the United States since FDR, and not in a good way. A Romney presidency would oversee massive tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, huge cuts to social programs, a massive deficit, and a possible financial crash in the near future. The Romney/Ryan budget would be the death-knell of a democratic America, an America where class does not determine success. They might be ousted in 2016 if elected in 2012, but if one of the liberal justices on the Supreme Court bites the dust, they will turn the Court into a conservative cesspool. Roe v Wade could be overturned, numerous precedents could be reversed, and our society will be scarred for the foreseeable future. Only once in a generation is there an election where the future of America will be decided (primarily when Supreme Court justices are about to replaced); 2012 is that election. If America messes this up like they did in 2004 and 2010, we will suffer the consequences for decades to come. The choice is in your hands, America. Don't mess it up this time...

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Real journalism explores both sides of a issue, gives equal time to both sides.

I think you should quit listening to Fox News. While you're at it, look up the "Golden Mean" fallacy.

Akin's had plenty of time to explain himself and the best he can manage to do is "I misspoke." Giving equal time to both sides is meaningless if journalists don't bother questioning either side's claims. It's also pretty telling how many Republicans are jumping on the condemnation bandwagon even though they probably agree about his "legitimate rape" bull@!$%#.

Akin is an idiot. That said, there is a democrat soliciting sex from boys and that doesn't get a mention. The problem is that there is too much obvious bias on this site, sorry, if you don't or refuse to admit it then you are indeed part of the 'propaganda is good' camp.

Then, telling me to 'quit listening to Fox news' is a rather telling statement. You are indeed biased and apparently determined to silence all opposing voices. The only good voices are the voices that you agree with. Sorry but that is biased, prejudiced, judgemental and typical of the 'liberal' poster.

On another note, the pro-life groups are hypocrites. If human life begins at conception then all abortions should be outlawed, regardless of circumstances. Then, when all abortions are outlawed you get Romania. What happened to all those unwanted babies? Hideous conditions in state run facilities where children never even saw daylight.

Interesting that I am a conservative and yet pro-choice? Nope. I am a fiscal conservative and I am not in favor of a massive government in control of everything. The problem with many conservatives is that they inject their concept of morality into everything. The teaparty has been conscripted by the 'moral majority' and their agenda is totaliarian. The liberal agenda is also totalitarian. Once again, the extremists are shouting to control the country. Either religious extremism or socialist extremism. Tiresome to be caught in the middle and surrounded by ideologues whose only attitude is 'my way or the highway.'

That said, there is a democrat soliciting sex from boys and that doesn't get a mention.

Because 17 years old is legal in Minnesota, and no money was exchanged, therefore it's not soliciting. Or did you only read the headline and assume it was the whole story?

You are indeed biased and apparently determined to silence all opposing voices. The only good voices are the voices that you agree with. Sorry but that is biased, prejudiced, judgemental and typical of the 'liberal' poster.

Oh please, spare me the whiny self-absorbed hypocrisy. I bet you only read half my post before you started boviating about how biased I was.

No money changed hands? Wow. So your standards are that low? Meeting for sex in restrooms with teenaged boys is Ok for democrat males in congress but swimming naked is beyond the pale for republicans? Sorry, twist it how you want but you want to condemn one group and give another a pass and the reason for that is because one group follows your ideology and they can be scum so long as they follow your agenda.

As to Romania and totalitarian rule. Far left liberals coupled with rightwing extremists . When you have ideologues controlling everything you get this:

http://www.examiner.com/article/dying-to-be-adopted-romanian-orphanages-exposed

Logic
Please use some 'logic' and do some research. These laws have been enacted within the last couple of years. Check out VA, TX, and MS for starters

No money changed hands? Wow. So your standards are that low?

That's the standards of the state of Minnesota, and the reason he wasn't charged with anything. Keep grasping at those straws.

but swimming naked is beyond the pale for republicans?

I never said anything about that. But you certainly don't seem to have any problems lying when it suits you.

Sorry, twist it how you want but you want to condemn one group and give another a pass and the reason for that is because one group follows your ideology and they can be scum so long as they follow your agenda.

No seriously, do get off that high horse. Claiming you're "middle of the road" doesn't make you a special snowflake immune to being judgmental and frankly you come off as a holier than thou whiny hypocrite.

REQUIRED READING:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2012/08/pro-life-doctor-john-willke-linked-to-akins-forcible-rape-claims-endorsed-romn

Because 17 years old is legal in Minnesota, and no money was exchanged, therefore it's not soliciting.

Wow, a 17 year old can legally give a blowjob to an old man but a 17 year old can't vote. Go figure.

I pity people who see nothing wrong with a 17 year old doing a nasty act to an old man.

No wonder there are a bunch of crazies in Minnesota. A 17 year old is still a minor, I don't care what the stupid laws are in Minnesota.

I pity people who see nothing wrong with a 17 year old doing a nasty act to an old man.

Do you think being 18 really makes that much of a difference?

No wonder there are a bunch of crazies in Minnesota. A 17 year old is still a minor, I don't care what the stupid laws are in Minnesota.

You realize it's the laws that define what a minor is, right? Your reasoning is flawed. Would you have this same reaction if it were a 17 year old and an 18 year old? How much of an age difference do you consider morally acceptable? I'm not sure you've thought this through much.

So, had the bathroom perv been a republican, you'd be defending him? Rather doubt it. You'd be on it like mold on cheese. Sorry, rather transparent excuses here. No one can state that you are middle of the road hypocrite, your bias is so extreme you probably fall forward while landing left & doubt you would clutch at straws, no need, bias is it's own reward.

Logic Required --

22 days after conception their is a heartbeat, you stopping that heart beating is no different then me stopping yours. Science, not religion tells me when there is a beating heart, completely seperate DNA, and even its own blood type.

Ever swat a fly, LR, or a pesky mosquito?

Who gave you the right?

So, had the bathroom perv been a republican, you'd be defending him? Rather doubt it. You'd be on it like mold on cheese. Sorry, rather transparent excuses here.

Here's a tip. Being "middle of the road" doesn't mean "occasionally condemning Republicans to keep up appearances and attacking Democrats whenever you get the chance."

Do you think being 18 really makes that much of a difference?

No it doesn't but unfortunately you have to draw the line somewhere. If it was up to me I would draw the line at 21 for this kind of act. This man is so old and it grosses me out. Why didn't he find someone his own age? By the way, I can't stand to see old men with young women and vice versa. Such stupid fools.

"Obama to Romney: If you want to be president, your life is an open book" : Then open your personal records and go quid pro quo.

Note to the RNC - Lose the BS on Roe v Wade all it's going to do is cause Romney to go down in flames. Dried up old men have no business imposing laws against women and their bodies. If the 'other sex' as you might think of them, get the power; watch out for your testicles. I'm not voting for Obama and wouldn't on a bet, but if this neanderthal mindset doesn't change, I'm writing in Alfred E. Neuman.

Get over it, stick to the basics, remember Slick Willy, "It's the economy, stupid"!

OBAMA-BIDEN 2012

Hi Chris,

Our lives do depend on it. We can not and will not allow Willard Romney to be elected. Period!

Certainly, women's lives depend on it. Ryan/Romney are intent on forcing desperate girls to seek backstreet abortions, while defunding Planned Parenthood.

Republicans, taking America back to the 50's (or even earlier) one voucher at a time.

Have they proposed taking women's voting rights away yet?

Have they proposed taking women's voting rights away yet?

That is coming in September.

hey job1...thanks for the shout out! I think what worries me the most about November are all the voter id laws the right has passed. there are some critical and troublesome area's where the President is ahead in the polls but if citizen's are not allowed to cast their vote it could spell trouble at counting time.

Have they proposed taking women's voting rights away yet?

That's right after they force women to breed...

Priorities... dontcha know!

The RWNJs object when their views are exposed and the public outcry rises. It is not our fault you are nutjobs. Change your views to something based in reality, and you'll get more acceptance.

This is the same thing as Wrongme complaining about 'attacks'. Simply going over Wrongme's record and policy views are not an attack. Change your policies (and I'm sure his accountants are busy changing his record right now).

Don't blame us because your backward, exclusionary views are not popular. Educate yourselves. Lazy bastids.

hey job1...thanks for the shout out! I think what worries me the most about November are all the voter id laws

Me too. PA, FL, and Ohio could be a big problem. The real voter fraud in going with the republicans in power. I'm hoping that the civil rights marches start again, in order to bring this issue up nationally and show these republican thugs that they want get away with it.

I loved it that the President had a successful press conference yesterday, in which he got some punches in on Willard. Heck I think he should have one every week up until the election.

Use that bully pulpit and get the National attention while slamming Willard and exposing this republican cult for the liars they are.

Wow another conservemyself Repug Chris. Tax breaks for the wealthy not working for us...deficit increased under rich welfare.

*** The GOP’s draft platform language opposes abortion, even in cases of rape: First Read has confirmed a CNN report that the draft language on abortion in the Republican Party's official platform calls for the "Human Life Amendment," which would outlaw abortion in all circumstances (even in cases of rape or incest). An RNC official tells us that a full committee will vote on this draft language -- which was THE SAME LANGUAGE in 2004 and 2008 -- tomorrow, and the full convention will take it up on Monday.

That should be the end of the election, folks. If Americans still have good sense.

Nate Silver - statistician extraordinaire at FiveThirtyEight.com, on the effect of voter ID laws:

There is something of a consensus in the literature, in fact, about the rough magnitude of the effects. The stricter laws, like those that require photo identification, seem to decrease turnout by about 2 percent as a share of the registered voter population.

And here's the chart:

Estimated Effect of Voter Law Changes 2008-2012

No offense to anyone, but why are we surprised about Akin's comments on rape??? Why should we??? This is the party of the rich, the war hawks, and the religious fanatics. They have spouted @!$%# like this for decades, whether it was the BS about tax cuts for the wealthy to the racist code-words made by candidates like Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan to the horrifyingly fanatical rantings by Rick Santorum on the "supremacy of the Judeo-Christian faith" and the "evils" of public education. The GOP is not your father's party; the GOP of the 1950s accepted the concept of a social safety net, accepted high tax rates on wealthier Americans, enacted environmental regulations, and built the freaking interstate highway system. The post-Reagan GOP opposes practically every one of those things, and won't even compromise when the proposed deal is in their favor. The Republicans of old were smart; hell, even that idiot Reagan moderated due to the Democratic control of the House. The Republicans of today refuse to compromise, even if the nation's economic health (and that of the world) rested on it. This party is no longer a credible alternative to the Democrats, even when you consider their flaws; it is simply a thorn in the side of democracy, aided by the abusive use of the Senate filibuster. Unless you want this cancer to poison the soul of America, we must destroy the radical conservative movement and moderate the Republican Party.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

dear first read

you really need to get these gremlins out of your system. can it be that hard???????????????????

you really need to get these gremlins out of your system

Or at least feed them regularly...

Boy, isn't that the truth GBM?

WTF? The Gremlins just posted my comment 6 times!!!!!!

Who cares about the gremlins? I want to see them get rid of the trolls.

They tried to feed the gremlins conservative republicans, but they keep spitting them out. Go figure.

EXCELLENT, David!

David Walker - ditto that!

Is it my imagination or do Gremlins kind of look like Paul Ryan.........

So, what do you think about Akin's comments Ryan?

Romney where are your taxes?

So many questions, and so few answers from Mitt Romney.

David, may be they are one and the same......gremlin trolls.

Gremlin trolls....that's it! I'll bet Karl Rove pays them more for the double, triple posts.

you'realoser

Why so you guys can clean each others backs like a pack of Chihuahua's

Now that's funny! First time I've seen a Troll self-identify...roflmao

So according to this guy (Akin) all a woman has to do to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is just shut her reproductive organs down and that all there is to it...

Well then, with that kind of thinking, why do they need birth control; pills? When all they have to do is think it away...

Now we know why they can't get anything done in congress... When there are people elected to office that have less intelligence than a slug...

Well then, with that kind of thinking, why do they need birth control; pills?

They don't want us to have those, either.

Of course, if you take this argument that all life is sacred to its most extreme, gentlemen will have to give up masturbation, since hundreds of thousands of lives are squandered each time. As Monty Python once said:

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great!

If a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irrate!

Hi Floyd,

I'm glad you posted this. Thanks

Amen, IR! We are on the same page today.

This is a great explanation of why we want to know about Mitt's and Ann's taxes. And--we are entitled to know this.

What really gets to me is when Ann says they won't release the tax returns because their opponents will lie about them. Well, no, Ann, we won't. First of all, we aren't the ones running campaign ads with blatant lies in them--that would be you. Secondly, even if we did decide to lie about the returns, we wouldn't have to---the truth in them is undoubtedly bad enough or else you would have disclosed them already.

IR, this idea that we're supposed to trust Romney, and now Ryan, baffles the mind. We can't trust Romney on any issue because he never sticks to a position, and now Ryan is doing the same. Romney spent taxpayer money to replace all the computers holding files of his administration. But we're supposed to trust that there was nothing to see, which begs the question in a rational mind of why he would bother to do this. We're supposed to just trust that his tax returns don't have anything questionable in them, although he showed them as part of the vetting process for 2008 and McCain STILL chose Sarah Palin, possibly the least viable politician to ever be put on a presidential ballot.

I'd love to hear Romney tell us WHY we should trust him. But as usual when it's about anything but negative and unfounded accusations against the President, he's got nothing.

When you're rich like Ann and Willard a lie is not a lie. Only poor people lie. See this is the way rich people like Ann and Willard think " because we're rich you have to believe everything we say".

Well said!!!

My dad used to tell me if you have nothing to hide..tell the truth...Lies only occur when you have something to hide....so Mythe...WHAT are you hiding? Where are your taxes?

GNOP - they can't handle facts. THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

So this "high horse" Ann Romney is on - is it a dancing horse, or another lame horse she tried to sell to somebody?

Either one is appropriate: Mitt Romney dances around the questions, and Romney/Ran are trying to sell us on their "lame" economic plan for the US.

Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!

Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can Fix End That!

IR, great article; thanks for posting it and big smile at your thoughts! Mitt Romney is the poster boy for all that is wrong with our tax code. Mitt knows that to release his taxes is to shine a bright light on one of the USA's biggest problems.

I do not credit Reagan with much but I do credit him for recognizing how badly skewed the tax code was and ordering an overhaul of it. The trouble is that all those special interest loopholes, off-shore loopholes, subsidies for special interests have been lobbied right back into the tax code over the last 30 years by those same special interest groups. Romney/Ryan have no intention of making it tougher for the wealthy and the powerful businesses; in fact, they want to cut their taxes even more, add more pork barrel loopholes for those who already have so much.

The Obama Team recognizes that the 5 years prior to his 2010 taxes contain the "smoking gun" or as Ann Romney put it, the "ammunition". The Obama Team proposed that Romney release five more years of taxes and they would ask for no more, they would not ask for more in ads or elsewhere yet Romney refused. Why is that, Mitt? Worried your tax dodging won't sit with voters? Perhaps you were granted amnesty for those illegal Swiss accounts--you could have been criminally prosecuted if the Government had not allowed a period of time in which you could request amnesty? Worried voters will find out you really didn't leave Bain Capital when you claimed you did? Questions, questions and the more Mitt dodges them, the more questions there are.

Romney probably filled out form 1040EZ, and just "forgot" about all his sources of income.

Wait! My bad! 1040EZ doesn't have a deduction line for Fancy, Dancey, Prancey, Therapy horses!

Good work there IR.......your observations are as always spot on.

Independent

Ann, as a good Mormon wife has been brain washed by the church to "Obey" the males. It is taught that woman have their place and that is to stand/walk behind their husbands. They are breeders mostly. A few woman in the church are once again trying to change that. A 12 year old male can hold the Priesthood, But Not a female. No female bishops, the best woman can "achieve" is Relief Society. They get tolerated and patted on the head and told the have a higher calling (that breeder thing again) A few years back a group of about 20 women questioned the church and were unceremoniously kick out (excommunicated) I worked with a couple of them and they were Real Christians. As for the 10% Tithing thing goes the Church owns and runs more business's in Utah, Nevada and Idaho than anyone else. Where do you think that 10% goes? Does the Tax exempting of these Holdings help pay for schools.. NO...Utah is Dead Last in education spending. And the church tells the congregation HOW to vote. Mitt Witt will, if elected be counseled By the LDS Church on Every issue. That's the way it is done here in the land of Zion.

I miss the old GOP...now gone forever.

Very well stated. Where is Rockefeller when you need him (well except for the drug laws...)

Jody,

AMEN, SISTER!

Women rights have been a well fought battle in this country for centuries.

Today, the GOPTP with their pseudo science, reinvention of the English language, wants to control women's choice about her body.

Great post, Jody. It is almost amusing to watch the GOP at war with itself---the right wing conservatives versus the establishment/money wing. What surprises me is that the establishment doesn't tell the right wingers to take a hike. With their money cut off the right would go away and it would leave the establishment free to be rational and court some of the voters who they will need going forward, like hispanics. It might cost them some votes in the short term but would set them up well for the long term. They don't seem to be able to see this.

I agree 100%. If Ryan gets to be VP he will be one heartbeat away from appointing the next Supreme Court judge. It's a nuisance that women have to make this a top issue but the goal of people like Ryan is to ultimately take away women's access to most birth control as well as abortion.

If we want women to lose their equal status in this country all we have to do is take away the science that allows us to control family size.

Jody,

Reps. Paul Ryan and Todd Akin prey on the vulnerabililty of women, when they parse the word "rape".

They think it is a politicians' job to decide who is worthy of assistance. And then when and if it is granted, not without a nice big dose of belittling first.

Steeler Fan,

There is no distinction in the GOP.

The right wing is the establishment. The takeover is complete.

Need to correct one thing that in my haste I failed to add, GOP Senator Olympia Snowe voted against the Blunt/Rubio Amendment.

Jody - Olympia Snowe has character and values. Although I obviously don't like the party she represents I have the utmost respect for her and her ability to see each issue and vote for the best interests of those involved. She actually worked for her constituents - not just for the GOP. Her sanity will be sorely missed.

Obama/Biden 2012

Mama (Ladies) - don't let your babies grow up to be a GNOPer.....

GNOP - can't handle facts. THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Paul Ryan, just to clear things up for you -

ALL Rape is Forcible Rape!

As a Missourian, I just want to report that now that Crossroads has pulled out their advertising dollars,...Akin is aching for some airtime.

This no play well in the Show Me State. and the clock is literally ticking down,...

Will he or won't he PULL out? The rhythm method might work for some catholics; but it is impotent in this instance.

Man, these jokes pretty much write themselves,...

PS. Many of my out of state friends have made contributions to Claire's campaign,...you can, too:

http://clairemccaskill.com/

Misogyny,...affects families! Say no to this Bat@!$%# Crazy! and say it LOUD!

TNSEVOL, so Paul Ryan is busy now Etch-a-Sketching......hmmm!

And just in case there are ladies out there that think the GOP can't succeed in taking away your rights, look at what the GOP has done with legislation to make Unions irrelevant - so much lost for the working man and woman.

Jody-

I wonder how Paul Ryan will reconcile his many legislative efforts to outlaw all abortions, even in the instance of rape or incest, with the Romney campaign's recent statements to the contrary?

How will Romney reconcile that statement of support for the abortion exception in the case of rape or incest with both his own prior statements and the Republican platform?

Shake-shake-shake......

Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!

Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can Fix End That!

JustSlapMe: Let's include the threat to voting rights. If a voter is unsure of his or her registration status, now would be a good time to do what is necessary to preserve your right to vote. Then vote in November. And God help us all.

The right-to-lifers recognized a couple of decades ago that they were not making any progress on the federal front so they decided to start at the local and state level. I fully remember reading about it.

Now states are enacting laws that seek to cut abortion rights without fully rescinding them ( because that would be found unconstitutional).

As I see it they also know that most people are ok with abortion in cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother. Their next step is to codify 'forcible' rape. My thought is that this is to make the woman prove rape in a court of law. And we all know how the he said/she said cases go.

Akin just let the cat out of the bag.

did anyone notice that when the tea party came on the sceen, the KKK hasn't been heard from?

new name same ole racist!

kr - interesting observation and very telling! I definitely think they share the same values (or lack thereof)!

So true, the tea party does have their larger than normal share.

Kr: I really would like to know. how the hell do you tell the Teabaggers from the KKK?

Obama/Biden 2012

Of course libs will have a feeding frenzy on this for a couple of weeks if possible because Obama has NO BUDGET, NO PLAN and NO CLUE !

Apparently you are the one lacking a clue in this case. Obama has submitted a budget on time to Congress every year. It's not his fault they cannot work it out.

Xabre - well now there you go talking facts. You know the little far righties can't absorb them - don't overwhelm their little senses!

Obama/Biden 2012

You mean the Budget that the Republicans changed and put up for a vote saying that it was the complete budget from the President? Just like they did in March in the House of Representatives, Republicans forced a vote on a bill that was supposed to resemble the president's budget, but wasn't actually the President's budget. A Republican Senator submitted it, and called for the vote. Many on the right just wouldn't know a fact if it bit them. Too much Rush and FOX.

jim-1455434

Wow ! It is Tuesday morning and the liberal circle-jerk of this website is in rare form. The venom flows "fast and furious" .... with the wild imaginations of the libbies gone BESERK !

Republicans have condemned the words of the Missouri senatorial candidate and he is being pressed to withdraw. Now this may not not neutralize the venom being poured out here, but it is reality.

Of course libs will have a feeding frenzy on this for a couple of weeks if possible because Obama has NO BUDGET, NO PLAN and NO CLUE ! We have yet to hear what Obama's plans are for his second term other than more tax and spend which did not work.

It is one thing to denounce statements. anyone can do that, and it doens't mean anything. What really has people upset about this is the policy that is behind these statements. Those policies haven't changed because of the denouncements, and therefore that agenda will be pushed should these people find themselves in congress again.

Your last paragraph is just not true. You're just parroting right wing talking points that have been proven to have no substance as a red herring to deflect attention away from the republican reproductive rights platform.

Exit0

Kr: I really would like to know. how the hell do you tell the Teabaggers from the KKK?

Obama/Biden 2012

Their sheets are whiter...they just don't talk about it.

jim-xxxxx (paid shill): Claiming "the President hasn't passed a budget" is a "straw person" argument

Politifact calls this claim "mostly false":

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/06/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-failed-pass-budget/

Our ruling

In his speech, Romney faulted Obama for failing to pass a budget. He was correct that the two times Congress voted on the president's budget requests, both times they were voted down. But the job of passing a budget resolution is not the president's. That responsibility falls to Congress, and even then the president doesn't sign it. As Ellis, our expert, put it: "The president has no role in passing a budget. The president can cajole Congress about passing a budget and advocate for positions and funding levels, but in the end, Congress approves the budget resolution for their own purposes." That's the difference between this and other claims we've rated which blamed Congress for inaction on the budget.

Romney's statement contains a grain of truth, in that two of Obama's budget requests failed to pass. But citing those votes leaves a wrong impression -- namely that the votes were anything more than political theater. Romney omitted the more critical information that passing a federal budget is the job of Congress. Given all that, we rate his statement Mostly False.

Whoa, devie - got the hiccoughs?

Since we have NO BUDGET in his 4th year of office .... I wonder if Obama ever had a basic course in accounting.

I wonder if you ever had a basic course in Civics. Congress (i.e. the Legislative branch) passes the budget after the president submits it. The president has submitted a budget on time every year. Would you like to try again?

What the hell have college records got to do with this election, just what do you expect you will find there, that Breitbart has not already spread rumors about???. And that it is, is conspiracy theories and ugly rumors that you rightwingers concoct in your hatred for anyone or anything not like yourselves seem to detest.

No President or for that matter any candidate has ever been asked to provide his educational records.....none. But you want the duly elected President, a Democrat and the first African American to do so?

I'll answer for the President as he would be too polite to say......bite me, take a hike its none of your business what grades he got.

Ursula, I don't know what the hell happened. I tried to post it gave me an error message so I tried again and then it posted the same post six times!!!!!! Holy Crap!

I felt like Bugs Bunny only with a bunch of Gremlins taking over my computer.

Jim, Is that what you've got? College transcripts? When is Mitt going to release his tax returns? Isn't that a tad bit more important? Sheez!

Repubs not only have war on women, they have war on American workers!

WHY DO REPUBS HATE AMERICAN WORKERS ? WHY DO THEY TAKE AMERICAN JOBS OFFSHORE? BECAUSE OF $$$$$$$$$$$ REPUBS LOVE MONEY MORE THAN THEIR COUNTRY!

Repubs on 7-19-12 blocked taking away tax breaks from companies that outsource jobs from America. In the same bill repubs blocked giving tax breaks to companies bringing jobs back to AMERICA!WHY DO REPUBS HATE AMERICAN WORKERS? Because the want profits offshore so they can hide their profits without paying any taxes on them$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Repubs blocked bill to remove Big Oil subsidies even when Big Oil execs testified they did not need them!

Ryan and Romney support keeping tax breaks for companies who offshore American jobs!!! Ryan and Romney support subsidies for big oil.

Vote President Obama/Biden , bring American jobs back!!!!

We know conservatives are desperate when they drag out the college transcripts line. Did conservatives ask for George Bush's transcripts--he released his taxes but not his transcripts? If the GOPers didn't ask for the same from all previous presidents, there's only one reason they're asking for President Obama's; and it's the same reason the right asked for his birth certificate but not from previous presidents. $10K of Mitt's money says even if President Obama released his college transcripts, Mitt Romney wouldn't release those either! And another $10K of Mitt's money says the right would claim Obama's transcripts were forgeries just as they claim about the birth certificate! So, it is the GOP side which really keeps asking for more and more and more while denying what has been provided, heh?

Jim: college records and applications for financial assistance, grades, courses taken, etc.

This is apparently the new birth certificate argument.

Distortion #1: Obama hasn't passed a budget: see #6.11 for the easy rebuttal.

Distortion #2: Obama's "records are sealed":

From factcheck.org:

factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

Q: Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?

A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.

The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense.

In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either.

So as with earlier versions, this is little more than an attempt to raise suspicions by asking for records that aren’t ordinarily made public, without any evidence that those records contain anything derogatory. We’ll take the claims and questions in the order they appear.

Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.

Being elected PRESIDENT of the Harvard Law Review doesn't cut it for these neanderthals. They want PROOF that the President makes the grades.

Because all of the other law students are ALSO 'dumb' they elected the DUMBEST one to head the Law Review? At Harvard? LMAO at the morons that repeat this one. Takes a 'special' level of stupid to grasp at this particular plunker, eh?

The Obama Derangement Syndrome is STRONG with this one. Let's starve it and see if it goes away!

Clara KCMO

To be fair; what the "transcripters" are really asking for is the entire records, mainly the admission records at each school (Occidental, Columbia, Harvard) because, highlighted by Donald Trump, they think that:

1] each school admitted him as a "foreign Exchange student" And/OR

2] he obtained financial aid based on being a "foreign student" and/OR

3] the "birth" information will conflict with the Hawaiin birth certificate.

Deep Sigh...............my PERSONAL opinion on this is after 4+ years of fear mongering this issue, approximately 35% of Americans still believe Barack Obama was not born in the United States. Teh stoopid is strong in this country!

really, that was a gift from heaven for claire mccaskil

And I guess that Joe Biden with his "they'll put ya'll back in chains" is the poster boy for the Dems, right?

Damn right he is. I can't wait for Uncle Joe to spank little Paul (AKA Eddie Munster) in front of National so they can see what little, Eddie knows.

What's really amazing is that Willard Romney the talking lying buffoon, is the Republican choice for President and Eddie Munster for VP choice. You people really sit your bar low.