Todd Akin is a total dumba$$. He didn't misspeak, he just doesn't know better. Another example of ideology getting in the way of reality.

Tool is right. And igorant. And inhumane. And undeserving of anyone's vote.

And Bachmann supports this guy. Wonderful. I think we can stick a fork in this one. I hope she gets thrown out of the House soon. Who votes for these people? Never mind. Don't think I want to know...
http://www.akin.org/endorsements/cong-michele-bachmann-mn-6

• You just can't fix stupid and this clown is living proof of it.

First of all there is no such thing as "legitimate rape" because all rape is illegal. At least it was last I checked, but then who knows with all the anti-abortion legislation morons like this have been passing.

Repeated rape known as incest not only results in pregnancy, but can result in pregnancy multiple times -- pregnancy of a minor who's life would be forever altered, and incest that also can result in in deformity. Someone send this moron a copy of the movie "Precious."

Too bad there isn't a law against STUPID!

WOW, is there such a thing as 'legi rape.'

What kind of party is the GOP?

Who's going to be next to tell us there's no Republican war against women?

What Todd Akin needs is 'the rapist,' I mean, 'therapist'. Adkin is sick.

"The GOP rarely causes intelligent statements in public." ... that would have been more likely to be true than what Todd Akin said.

@NFIL: trust me; you don't want to meet Bachmann's supporters; they even frighten her.

Perhaps if he were a legitimate human being, he wouldn't have said this.

Looks like we have another Santorum on our hands, guess all the teawackos are losers !!!!

Santorum says, Rape victims should think of the babies conceived during their assault as gifts from God !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I won't even comment about his assinine remark about "legitmate rape", but I WOULD love for him to provide the name of the Dr. who told him "a woman's body kind of shuts down" and prevents a pregnancy... that would be a new one for the books.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I think a Republican can't possibly utter something more idiotic, more misinformed or something that's just plain WRONG, one comes along to convince me otherwise.

WOW is this guy REALLY this stupid???

First they had to change the term RAPE to "sexual assault", "sexual battery", so the puritanical A-holes don't have to envision the ACT. Now Republican/Teapublicans want to make RAPE "legitimate" in some way so they can FORCIBLY make a woman carry a RAPISTS baby??? WTF???

I would think a woman has to be brain dead to vote for ANY Republican or Teapublican because it looks like they really do want to set women back 100 years...No make that 2000 years.

Also, WHEN did women's bodies evolve the ability to self destruct a rapists semen or "shut down" conception??? Is this a philosophy brought on by religious beliefs or just stupidity???

What would his view be if it was one of his relatives.

tomG8 typed:

The guy is telling the truth! Only republicans are mature enough to talk about the real issues. Democrat liberals live in fantasy land. Liberals cant stand to hear cold mean facts. They're even starting to believe in mermaids and unicorn existenses now.

To you sir I can only say this... PLEASE do not reproduce. And see a doctor, SOON. If you're on medication now, it isn't working. If you're not, you need to be.

Pray tell oy-vay...what is a 'legitimate rape?"

Then, go retake biology, and find out how conception happens. The stork really doesn't come to mommy's and daddy's house you know.

Then mind your own business. The great party of "get the Federal Government off our backs" ought to start that with the most intimate decisions that families make.

It doesn't matter if "most rapes don't result in pregnancy." Rapes between men will never result in pregnancy. Don't play the odds in this matter. As an obstetrician, there is no mechanism for the "body to shut itself down" to avoid a pregnancy if the woman has ovulated recently. The coward, Akin, didn't answer the question: IF the woman becomes pregnant as a result of rape or incest, or if her life is in danger if the pregnancy is not terminated, would he support the woman's right to an abortion, if she chose it? Answer Mr. Akin. Simply answer, yes or no. That's easy enough for a non-thinker.

The second I saw this "headline," I knew this jerk HAD to be a Republican. Boot him out of office. He's too stupid to represent anyone.

(I bet the "community" will "collapse" this comment......." Can't stand the truth sometimes.........)

I'm sure this fool has never gotten pregnant whenever he gets raped.

You see, people? This is why you have to stop voting for idiot Republicans.

So.. besides being a complete idiot, this guy wants to "punish the rapist, not the child". Why, then, is he so willing to punish the RAPE VICTIM by making her carry the child to term??? No wonder the GOP is in so much trouble, they cannot see the entire picture.

Why does the GOP (or anyone else, for that matter) think they have the right to decide whether or not a woman can have an abortion? This is a very private matter between the woman and her doctor. Sorry guys, but you have zero say until you carry the child. Just because you get a woman pregnant does not give you the right to decide whether the pregnancy continues or is terminated.

Linda Peterson,

I find your life experience very uplifting for any woman who herself "chooses" to go forward with a pregnancy that was a result of a rape. But not for a minute is that choice up to the government to control. I'm hopeful we agree on this much.

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said.

And exactly what "ways" are those, Akin?

Cripes, what a bunch of morons.

Brianb999431,

"I didn't realize First Read was trying to emulate the Huffington Post."

Quite the complement. First read sais "thank you."

Why do these idiots think the government has no business regulating Wall Street, but it should be able to tell a woman when to have a child?

Yep, I did too Jean321. Well, since it said, Missouri Republican in the first 2 words of the headline. ;-)

This is likely to reshape the political math a little and modify a certain Republican's career plans a little.

Lady Cat - What would his view be if it was one of his relatives.

Rich girls don't get "abortions" - they go on "vacation to Europe".

Brianb-999431

You can't tell me that First Read doesn't play to the liberals the exact tune they love listening to. Let's call this the liberal feed station... liberals come here to feed, rant and rave

So just what are you doing here Brianb? Feed somewhere else and just come here to crap what you ate? Tell us where you're munching at.

Feed somewhere else and just come here to crap what you ate?

It might be a good idea if BB, quit eating pencils!

WAAAYYY too much fiber in the mess he leaves here! ☺

@Julkie -- who said "Rich girls don't get "abortions" - they go on "vacation to Europe -- This is absolutely true and is absolutely central to every GOPiggy initiative. The laws they want do not affect the wealthy - except to make them more wealthy.

And btw, all, "Legitimate rape" is a true and fundamental Republickan concept - and it rarely results in pregnancy. It's when a republickan governor sticks a plastic tube into a woman.

Sounds like Akin has been drinking Rick Santorum's kool aid again; you know, "All children are a gift from God" even if conception was the result of rape.

Perhaps some women want to keep a child conceived from a rape, and that is their right. It is also the right of a rape victim to terminate any resulting pregnancy. To suggest that either of those choices is better or more appropriate than the other is complete and utter nonsense.

Linda Peterson: There is no such thing as God. Religion is a very profitable business that caters to those who need to believe in fairy tales.

Akins is a product of legitimate rape. His uncle daddy knew his sister was a legitimate mate so Akins could have a legitimate mommy aunt and keep the gene pool in the family. This guy gives a whole new meaning to the phrase of being from the "Show Me State." Show me someone from MO that has an IQ greater than 85 and I will show you someone who moved in from another state. My gosh where do these people come from? We have this lunatic Bachman, a product of Oral Roberts University, and now this nitwit. Is there something in the air and/or water in MO and OK the begets these Bible Thumping kooks? In my life span of over a half century I have never seen such lunatics until the Evangelicals started coming out from the dark corners and from under decayed wood piles.

I wonder if it is the legitimate rape that has been going on for the past 60 plus years among these Bible Beaters that has brought in this new crop of nut jobs. I cannot get over such an ignorant and stupid statement. Just totally unreal including the nut job from PA too. Now we have a Moron from a cult church wanting to be president. Our country and way of life will be destroyed by these products of legitimate rapes. I wonder who Romney's grandmother was a product of out of his grandpa's concubine. Was she his grandpa's daughter too? Simply amazing to much too believe.

Why is it that the right wing only wants the government sticking its nose in people's business when it's between a woman's legs?

Brianb.......comes to this blog every day and whines that he is not the only one able to comment.

Brianb ......whines that after this republican clown made the craziest statement ever.....that democrats all agree that this crazy idiot is Crazy and that these Democrats have the nerve to make a comment against CRAZY.

Brianb fails to notice even repubs are agreeing this guy is nuts......yet he thinks no one should speak out against what Brianb thinks...........The BrianB blog site.....NOT!

BrianB,

Liberals may come here to make somewhat intelligent conversation while you come her to troll. Are you a paid blogger?

The Republican Party is all about taking away rights, the right to choose, the right to marry, the right to vote.

This is another clumsy attempt by an anti-choice person to weasel around the rape or incest clause. If abortion is murder as they claim there can be no exceptions for conceptions resulting from rape or incest. But they don't generally have the courage to admit they would require a victim of rape or incest to carry a fetus full term, nor do they volunteer to adopt such children or pay for the woman's medical care, lost wages, etc.

They define hypocrite.

@Linda Peterson

Isn't it a wonderful thing that your mother had a CHOICE? I may not agree with abortion, but I will fight tooth and nail for the rights of a woman to CHOOSE what to do with her OWN body. I don't have to live with the choice she has to make, she does.

And when he said he "misspoke," what did he mean? Did he mean that he lied? Did he mean that he misunderstood the facts? Did he mean that he's too ignorant to know the difference? Or did he mean that he had intended to say, "I am too indifferent to women to give a crap." Just wondering.

It is sickening that this aspiring senator Todd Akin is giving rape and incest such a ringing endorsement. The sickos will take his line to mean that no child will result from their act and that they will have more chances of getting away with the act.

What doctor gave him this nugget of nonsense about a rape victim's body going into auto-shutdown to prevent a pregnancy? Moreau?

This guy is living proof of what happens when people do belly-flops in the gene pool.

Intellect - 1949393 -- As far as Romney goes - you'll have to do a lot of searching to find his direct line of descent in the Mormon church seeing as how one of his male ancestors in direct line to him had 11 wives. I know this for a fact because she is also a 5th or 6th great aunt to me. And thank God I am not directly related to him.

Love the "apology"

Especially the part where he starts blaming the people he insulted for being offended, then completely changing the subject.

We are all giving a lot of credence to the concept of "legitimate rape". Doesn't this beg the question, just what is illegitimate rape?

Only republicans are mature enough to talk about the real issues.

I think this person "misspoke" as well. The real sentence should read "Only republicans are immature enough to distort the real issues". This guy's statement is as ridiculous as Akin's.

And what's with this "misspoke" crap? You said it, live with it! Did you not have control of your mouth and vocal cords when you said it? Oh, I know...it's your brain that's out of control...but I guess Akin can be forgiven for losing control of something so tiny...

Wow. I don't often say this on here or in real life, but that guy is an idiot. No, the body doesn't "shut down" and prevent pregnancy, and no, it isn't his business how a rape victim or any other woman chooses to deal with her personal life and her body. And oy-vay, you are just plain wrong, as are you, tom.

Linda, I'm sorry your birth mother was raped. That she chose to carry you and put you up for adoption, or whether she felt she could keep you and raise you, or whether she felt she just couldn't have a child from that rapist and that rape, depended on many factors. It was her personal struggle to decide what to do, and it often doesn't turn out as rosy as the story you are describing.

Her CHOICE wasn't the same as another woman's might be, and because it worked out for you doesn't mean every child conceived during a rape has a mother equipped and able to carry a child from that situation. I know a woman who was conceived during a brutal rape, and she was beaten and had to be removed from the home because her mother just plain couldn't deal with seeing her and husband hated her for being proof that her mother was raped. I am seriously happy that your story is a happy one, but I work with survivors of sexual assault and have seen young college women come in devastated from acquaintance or date rape. The ones who did get pregnant were absolutely unprepared to carry a child or, for that matter, make it through a day at that point. The mere idea that these women who were already victimized and feeling at that time they had no control over their lives, would be forced once again to have the child of the man who raped them is sickening to me. The choice and help, yes, but forced? NO.

Perhaps those who have gone through this might have at least some common sense and compassion on this topic. Amazing to me that once again men think they can make women do whatever THEY feel is best for them. Disgusting.

"In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year,"

Translation: "I cannot think and speak at the same time".

It's an affliction that is shared by the preponderance of the Rabid Right.

Do either of Governor Romney or Congressman Ryan agree with republican Akin's "medical" opinion? MSM needs to ask them.

Old, wealthy, powerful, white men defining rape...Any women, any female, your daughter, your sister, your girlfriend, your wife, your mother, any male who would rather be a female or any female who would rather be a male or anybody who knows and loves a women...would NEVER, EVER, EVER vote republikan. These people are patently misogynistic.

Bob Vieira:: Since you think that azzhole is your deeply respective republican representative, maybe you can get him to explain what he means by "legitimate rape". RAPE is illegal. If it is between two consenting adults who consent to it, then it is not rape.

And the kind of "rape" he got in jail doesn't fit the true definition of rape. Besides, you don't get pregnant when you have anal sex-- there is NO defense mechanism working. Whether it is between a man and a woman or two men.

You surely are from Missouri! There is no one dumber!!

Why does the Republican party have so many ignorant morons representing them?

He is alone in his sick thoughts, apart from what Republicans truly are for. He is an embarrassment to our party.

Ah, but he is in your party. As your buddy, GW Bush once proclaimed, "you're either with us, or against us!"

Mike:

Are you serious; abortion "keeps people from learning personal responsibility"??? Wow, talk about closed minded. So you would PUNISH THE VICTIM of a rape crime (let's be clear, only women can get pregnant) by making HER carry the child to term? What a guy. And if YOUR DAUGHTER were the victim in this type of crime, would you punish her in that manner, as well?

And what punishment would you mete out to the rapist? NOTHING compares to the changes a woman's body goes through in carrying a child to term. Those changes cannot be reversed or ignored. Could you at least get educated on the subject before you post such gibberish?

typical, this isn't about birth control. it's about pr!ck control.

In a perfect world, there would be no abortion.... and no rape, poverty, incest, religious intolerance, or medical problems.

Remember the song "I'm my own grandpa"? In this case, I believe it!

Doug, I don't know about Ryan, but Romney will agree with him, today. He'll then disagree tomorrow. Tuesday he will need to think about it some more.

[Liberals may come here to make somewhat intelligent conversation while you come her to troll. Are you a paid blogger?]

Holy crap! You mean Brianb found a freaking job? Good...maybe that delusional hypocrite will stop bleeding the system dry. I'm tired of supporting this lowlife.

The press didin't cover the local LA meeting that Repuplicans in Washington frequent:

"Hey ya'll, my names Todd Aiken, and I'm a compulsive liar. I have ZERO days lie free."

Next up: Hi, my names Paul Ryan, and I'm a compulsive liar. I have ZERO days lie free."

They are Republicans plain and simple little or no education

News Flash ! Th female body just shuts down unwanted pregnancies ! Abortions are just necessary for women who want to keep that pregnancy. This guy is unreal !

"if it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down"

Can you believe what the die hard Conservatives believe? The sad thing is there are plenty of uninformed and weak minded people who accept their rhetoric and ignore their record while denying exactly how the Conservative policies are affecting their own lives and limiting their freedom to choose for themselves! What's worse is that they turn out in huge numbers and vote!

Why does the Republican party have so many ignorant morons representing them?

Because Republicans still believe in the Good Ol' Boy network. In their minds, white males are the only ones qualified to make decisions.

Republicans have become stupid. Clearly and obviously stupid. We need to replace them with something with a little more brains and common sense. Funny, but any elephant would do.

This is another clumsy attempt by an anti-choice person to weasel around the rape or incest clause. If abortion is murder as they claim there can be no exceptions for conceptions resulting from rape or incest. But they don't generally have the courage to admit they would require a victim of rape or incest to carry a fetus full term, nor do they volunteer to adopt such children or pay for the woman's medical care, lost wages, etc.

They define hypocrite.

I agree and would like to know what he would think if a 13 year old girl got pregnant from incest or rape is she supposed to give up her life at such a young age and carry the child to term? I know it is very rare that this particular case would come up but there are instances where abortion is more than justified and should be an uncontested right of any woman who has become prgnant due to rape. I think this guys comment is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard come out of a supposedly educated mans mouth what a shame it is to see that people like this are trying to make decisions for the better of our country.

Strange he'd quote statistics's about the chance a woman getting raped would have of getting pregnant when the question was what about those who did. Obviously the ones not getting pregnant aren't relevant.

Even stranger is that the party that's so concerned about the unborn have so little for those that are. They'd force poor women to have babies they can't afford then vote for cutting funding for food stamps, medicaid and school nutrition programs crying about self reliance. I've yet to see a newborn that was capable of self reliance but that's just me.

Usually when I point this illogical logic to right wingers they talk about if the parent had just used birth control or abstained she wouldn't get pregnant I like to point out it wouldn't be the ones prevented by birth control or abstinance that are denied food from these program cuts but real live babies and children.

More BS from the left wingers at MSNBC, trying to create an issue where they have none.

More denial from the reich wingers when one of them blurts out the truth about their real agenda of controlling women's bodies.

He is clearly ignorant. There is no such thing as legitimate rape what the hell is wrong with that idiot. Pregnancy can result at any time if the person woman has no form of contraception. How can he be so damn stupid as say something like that and then try to excuse himself. He said what he meant and meant what he said. I wonder how he would feel if that would have happened to a female in his family. I am sure he would be signing a different tune. Ignorance breeds ignorance and that is how repubs are.

I'm sure he'll still "rally" the Tea Party conservatives... but no one else.

This guy almost sounds as bright as dubya and then you wonder who votes for these people? How about the hard right trying to say he's right in how he used the word?????? PLEASE, cut me a break already.

Intellect-1949393

No need to pile on. I am embarrassed enough that I was born and raised in the same state that this a-hole is trying to represent, but please don't lump everyone from Missouri in the same vein. I have a Masters degree in Engineering from a highly respected University, so, contrary to popular opinion, some of us in Missouri do have intelligence.

What is really frustrating is all of the money from out of state that is allowed to be spent to influence the elections in Missouri. US Chamber of Commerce keeps pouring money at this election to endorse the "job creators"...they just don't want the stupid to know the jobs they want to create are in India, China, Central and South America.

Vote Democrat. The job you save may be your own.

I'm surprised - When did he earn an MD degree? How did he get elected? Seriously stupid. Legitimate rape. What does that mean? If rape can be legitimate, what is illegitimate rape? Stupid, stupid, stupid. From a humanist perspective - should we really punish a woman who was raped with having to give birth to the rapist's child? From an evolutionist perspective - Do we really want those rapist genes transmitted to future generations?

@NewMalthus - you could have a legitimate complaint or an illegitimate complaint. That text just means that the rape victim is a rape victim and not someone who cried rape. Learn proper english - your argument is illegitimate.

Men should not make legislation concerning women's bodies. They should focus on their own issues. That goes especially for politicians who have no medical expertise.

If the word 'rape' is used to describe sth, that sth is no longer 'legitimate;' I wonder why common sense is so hard ... at least for this Repugnant (RepubliCan't).

Sounds like it's time for "Pussy Riot".

Mike: Wow, just Wow...so the female body responds to a violent act one way, and to non violent acts another way. I as a female, just love it when men think they know more about the female body than females do.

I agree with the poster above, this has more to do with men learning to keep it in their pants and not treating women like second class citizens than dealing with the actual violent act.

So in your male mind, males don't have any responsibility in any of this. It is left up to the woman to deal with the violent act, deal with a possible consequence of that act(pregnancy), and then raise that child or give the child up for adoption. What a male chauvinistic attitude.

If we had a law against stupid we would have anyone in politics.

"Why does the Republican party have so many ignorant morons representing them?"

I suspect these people are a product of too much fundamentalist Christian indoctrination, that has heavily distorted their economic and political views into an unreality that's far separated from everyone else. Combine that with their Ayn Randian vision of a world where only heroes with a case of arrested adolescence succeeds, you'll have selfish, ignorant narcissists that arrogantly believe they have all the answers.

Using this mans logic, looks like a woman's body would help her throw off the sperm effects of an illegitimate rape more than a legitimate rape, since the sperm from the illegitimate rapist is illegitimate, and the sperm from the legitimate rapist is, or has to be legitimate, since the rapist is a legitimate rapist. Whomever the Doctors were who told Him this may indeed have the whole thing "Ass backwards". Republicans! They are all so considerate and thoughty, with a wealth of knowledge!

Missouri Republican: 'Legitimate rape' rarely causes pregnancy

OMFG, this man is a complete azzhole. I wonder how many women and little girls he raped to come up with this conclusion of his. He's another politician that needs to be tossed out to the curb on his stupid azz.

Obama 2012

Lets all vote out each and every one of these goddamn repukians asap.

From an earlier poster: "What do you call a woman who has been raped, gets pregnant, keeps the child raising him or her to be a happy, productive and valuable member of society?"

I'd call that woman PRO-CHOICE. For her, bearing a child was her CHOICE. She made the CHOICE to keep her child.

People, it's not a pro or con abortion matter, that's a small part of the real issue, PRO-CHOICE. The abortion matter is at every election, used as a distraction on the larger issue of CHOICE. And brought to you compliments of the radical right-wing evangelistas, mainly republicans and now the repub/tparty. It's usually accompanied with the LGBT issue, but that appears to be over and done, tho there's still time.

All this legislating, positioning, transvaginating - all distractions on the real issue of CHOICE. The repub/tparty is doing their divide and conquer strategy, using abortion. That's not what women are about. WE are for CHOICE, plain and simple.

P.S. Stay away from Aiken's medical advisors!

these are the same people, who are making our laws, scary sh..t.

Scarier than crazy, sex-crazed old Todd (who truly deserves time in jail with an amorous cellmate named Junior) is bottomless GOP treasure trove, the machine that keeps selling desperate and ignorant Americans the idea that the same greedy corporate monsters who caused this mess are going to save us.

Even scarier: As H. L. Mencken put it, no one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people.

Do not trust any institution that wants to direct traffic in your underpants. There is no more extreme and basic form of control.

And boys, if you want a comparison, imagine a government that wanted to take away not just all your guns, but all your Viagra and other "male enhancement" drugs. Would you like that? No sirree, you would not. So leave the girls alone. We will sort out our own issues, thank you very much.

Thank you NBC News for using this opportunity to 'SHOW ME' another synonym for J*CK*SS.

Jackie K...thank you for posting a succinct but eloquent comment. I was arrested once in San Diego for beating the cr*p out of the perpetrator of a date rape on a good friend of the family. She arrived at our door about 1:30 in the morning bruised and bloody. I was released with no charges when the report came from the hospital, the three hours in holding was worth it. The hospital as standard practice voided any possible consequences. The mental scars are the worst part, and having to endure a pregnancy would have caused irreparable emotional trauma.

I find it approaching the definition of treason for anyone with one ounce of intelligence, Republican or Democrat or Human being to vote for this terminally stupid jack ass.

My opinion of the average Missourian just dropped considerable. Either their educational system has failed miserably and not offered Sex Ed. Courses to their republican politicians or the republican party has become too dense to be considered for any office. Stupid Akin. Vote the Intelligent party! DEMOCRASTs not the party of the rich and stupid!

I hope this man does not have daughters, a wife or sisters. If he does, I feel sorry for them. It is the choice of the woman or girl to decide what to do with her body. If she is forced to have the child, and can't afford it, will this politician take care of it? He seems to like blaming the victim. It is none of his business. Focus on jobs and the economy.

Jim Spence,

Because we are Americans and we don't want stupid republicans to be elected to run this country with no brains! If you are married ask your wife what she things of the statement!

Arieus; my thoughts exactly, maybe they need to investigate his past and see if he raped a classmate back in hs, or a girl while he was in college. If he did, and she got pregnant he probably denied it was his, claimed the girl had been sexually active recently, etc. etc. You know if he did get someone pregnant that way he denied responsibility for the baby's cares.

People of Missouri. I know you've had an awful drought, and you're all pretty damn aggravated, but You don't need the likes of this man. Damn Missouri, you've given this nation "Harry Truman", "Stuart Symington", "Thomas Hart Benton" and the list goes on. You are known as the "Show Me" state. Well, "Todd Akin" has shown you. You shouldn't need anything else. The man belongs more in an "Asylum" than the Senate.

Umm, New, the part about "legitimate rape victim" doesn't mean "legitimate rape". Now I am laughing. Is this the basis of anyone's argument??? That part just means that it is his opinion that she was the victim of a rape and the sexual act wasn't consensual. Are you serious that you thought that mean "legitimate rape victim"? It was "victim of a rape" and not a question of what type of rape she suffered..lol.

Todd Akin, sounds like the typical republican, giving men free reign to become a rapist who goes around impregnating women by rape and then threatens them with prison time if they abort the baby. Can't get much more evil than that. Republicans, never hold the male responsible for legal nor illegal, conception. They think women can conceive all by themselves, and they, (the elected republican male officials) have total control of the womens bodies.

Per the article title:

Legitimate rape rarely causes pregnancy.

My, my..........Only a complete " Idiot " would say something like that!

Glad to see Feisty Red fighting in the trenches with us, once a while. Many here miss your leadership.

Our founding fathers would spit on the GOP Tea Wackos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another ignorant Republican Pig, looking to smack women down.

Is anyone surprised? He's actually saying what most republicans are thinking.

Al 524682,

Glad to hear you are a retired cop because with your comment "you women need to cool it!" I'm glad you have no power to decide who is a victim and who is not anymore.

when he says "legitimate" rape what he's really saying is another old white pig-man thing... that is code for "if she ain't askin' for it"

Another cherished notion with this these porkers-- it's okay to force a woman to have sex because a: she really means "yes" or b: look what she's a wearin'

Sorry Linda but it's the WOMAN'S decision. There IS no 'god'.

I am a die hard Republican but I have to say this is one of the dumbest, most insensitive things I have hear recently. I am sure someone will try to spin as it was taken out of context such as Obama with his “you didn’t build it” or Biden’s “putting you back in chains” statement. All three got caught saying something stupid but Representative Akin was over the top. Legitimate Rape as opposed to what? Anyone voting for guy has to be nuts and I am sorry to have to say that but it is the truth in my opinion!

I suspect these people are a product of too much fundamentalist Christian indoctrination

Of course they are! Christian cult nonsense and BuyBull-Home-Schooling screws more people up than drugs and alcohol combined!

Mark! One difference -- maybe what Biden said was politically incorrect, but at least he was being honest.

Your guy was just being a typical republican IDIOT.

TP/GOP are clueless. Now it's their responsibility to prove they do not have a war on women or a war on a woman's right to make decisions regarding their own bodies.

It's sad that tax payers pay for losers like Todd Akin !!!!!!!!!!!!

JimSpence #1.104~~Neither the government, nor the insurance provider is FORCING anyone to use contraceptives. The republican teapartiers are denying women the availability of contraceptives, which they (the women) have already paid for, as in their premium payment, just as viagra, ED meds and all prescription drugs are paid in the premiums that men have paid. BTW, I am pro-choice all the way, for every woman, and that does not mean I am pro-abortion, I am not. Leave the women alone, stay out of our bodies,we are very intelligent, with lots of experiences and we don't need any man telling us what to do, or what not to do. I am curious as to how the spouses of these controling republicans, continue letting them control, their bodies.

Legitimate Rape??? Yet another oxymoron is born.

Jim Spence,

You didn't get why I didn't respond to your statement. Yes, because I agree with the fact that insaurance companies should pay for it ( It is a lot cheaper than paying for an unwanted child and a lot more Christian) and that this Akin is retarded republican and probably a teabugger!

Maybe Todd was reading Ayn Rands book !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Todd got his info from Rudy Giuliani !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Todd got most of his info from Santorum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lowlifes of the world can find a home in the republican party. Ignorance rules and is the only prerequisite!

He opened his mouth and shot himself in the head.

I wish politicians would stop focusing abortion legality for pregnancy due to rape. No matter HOW a woman becomes pregnant, it is HER decision whether to carry the fetus to term - period.

Abortion may be the best choice for a pregnant girl or woman. You don't get to define WHEN she has that choice.

tjohn:

Its called "Political Paralyze." A dreaded disease that affects the gray matter between the ears. Unfortunately there is no known cure.

... well, how do you slice this particularly tough ethical question?" -Rep. Todd Akin, a Republican.

Apparently, you don't leave the task up to the dullest knife in the whole damn kitchen.

Are there any sane and/or educated teabaggers? The crazier you are, the more likely you are to win a republican nomination.

you know reading most of the comments I see one thing standing out. The two party system should be eliminated. So many here have one thing on their agneda. Slam the other party. This candidate,( I don't know him) didn't say what he really meant to say. I came out wrong and he knows that. We still know he opposes abortion. However he should not be judged by this as EVERY other candidate has at some point made a stupid comment. Their isn't a president to date that hasn't put his foot in his mouth a few times , republican and Democrat.

I say we drop the 2 party thing and no one but the candidates declare if they are Liberal or conservative. We as the voter could look at each candidate without the steriotype of a party affiliation and vote for the person not the party. We then would have a government that would serve the people.

Get you heads past the headlines and serch for the real truths that each candidate has donenot what he/she says they will do.

Anna Banana, You are correct, it is not up to government, is is up to God.

Fairy tales do not make decisions. We live in a world populated by human beings, who must make decisions. Relying on mythology has never, and will never work.

It is a shame that you relieve yourself of responsibility by passing the buck to an imaginary being. That shows a complete lack of courage.

JimSpence

Your comments just keep amazing me, or perhaps it is the lack of information you really have when you make comments

you don' want government in the bedroom............but it's OK for government to demand Ins. companies pay for contraceptives

But I suppose it's not OK for the government to demand that drugs effecting the reproductive organs of Males be mandated? You are obviously under the impression that females only take contraceptives as a form of birth control. There are a whole host of medical problems that are treated by 2nd generation contraceptives, even Acne not to mention the #2 reason is actually menometrorhagia in women to prevent anemia. You are narrow minded. Do you believe the government should mandate your insurance company to pay for male reproductive organ issues like BPH? What about Viagra, Flomax, Cialis, Avodart, Cardura, Proscar?

Jim Spence,

Yes, Romney and Ryan for really dumb Americans! Akin included.

Frogmorton

For starters I think I made it pretty clear he is my man and if he had been he no longer would be. As far as the truth you can't possibly believe that the Republican agenda includes incorporating slavery or putting any ethnic group in chains, that's just nonsense. I personally believe all three of the individuals I mentioned said something stupid and unfortunately tried to tap dance around their comments claiming them to be something they were not, nothing more nothing less. I don't try to make excuses for anyone Republicans included when they become vile. I wish we could all do that.

I suppose we could let his wife and daughter ( if he has any) get raped and see how he feels. Let him watch.

Just WHO are these "real Americans" you keep referencing in your asinine posts Jim Spence? We are all REAL AMERICANS if we're citizens of this country who give a crap about our CIVIL RIGHTS being stripped by radical idealogues like you. Please read the Constitution.

What the hell is "legitimate" rape is my question.

Jim Spence ..so........how closely are you related to Akin?

"Is Todd a Birther" ??????????????

I would like to see his College Transcripts, Birth Certificate, ID Card and Tax Returns !!!!!!!!!!

LorraineH

I’m glad you brought all those medications and disorders up.

You see BPH, ED, menometrorrhagia, dysmenorrhea, acne and the myriad of medical DISEASES, DYSFUNCTIONS AND DISORDERS are what medications are for!

I have no problem for medications to be used to correct illness. Contraception is NOT AN ILLNESS. Neither is pregnancy. Contraception is a luxury. There are many methods of contraception ranging from abstinence to sterilization.

Your argument is desperate. BPH can lead to urinary retention and bladder infections. ED is a dysfunction that can arise at any age, most commonly after 40, that Viagra, Cialis and others can help conception, not contraception.

Contraception is a choice, all the other things you mentioned are not.

Nice try though.

Brianb and jim are confused.....because women always REJECT Brian and Jim on having sex, they think the women's bodies are shutting down. Well.....It's really just plain ol rejection boys!

That in "times of ACTUAL rape (switch the term actual for legitimate) the female body has ways to shut the whole thing down." (speaking of the reproductive process).

and any idiot that actually believes such utter BS has no place making decisions regarding reproduction, health or much of anything else

Besides the whole "legitamate rape" thing, what he said was SCIENTIFICALLY wrong. A woman's body has no mechanism for stoping pregnancy just because a woman was forcibly raped. Not only is the guy a total knuckle dragger, he's also completely ignorant of anything approaching science. I don't know what kind of doctor or scientists he has been talking to, but they should not be allowed to practice or teach.

JimSpence

Contraception is a luxury

Jim....please, please, please get an IQ test before you vote. Your statement is about as absurd as Mr. Akin and I would love an answer now to starsailings question: How closely are you related to Akin?

The real question is whether social engineering in our society is a violation of the constitution. Which I believe it is. The religious right has no more claim to morals than the liberals.

The basic fact of the matter, which defies most, is that those that are elected to represent us all are hired to balance a budget. That is their one sole job. Not to socially engineer our society. They only go down this path because they fail to do do their job, and in the end be able to justify their job worth by saying that they did this or that.

My question to them is, "Did you do your Job"?

@!$%# them all! I don't need you to tell me how to live, or to tell anyone else how to live theirs. Do your @!$%#ing jobs.

of course there is no "war on women" by the republicans, once women return to their rightful place in the home, barefoot and pregnant, everything will be just fine. and if it has to be legislated that women stay at home barefoot and pegnant, your friendly far-right republican will see to it that it is done for freedom and god and america!

So, essentially this guy is saying that any woman who gets pregnant after a rape was not "legitimately" raped? This is truly frightening! Here is one of the many reasons (Romney, Ryan, etc.) why it's so important to get out there and vote. We CANNOT afford to be apathetic. We CANNOT let people like this anywhere near public office!

Obama/Biden 2012

If people like this guy (GOP) win the presidency, Senate and House you can be certain that they will nominate and place 2-3 Supreme Court Justices on the bench with exactly the same Neanderthal religious ideology and the US will look more like it's being run by the Taliban than civilized people. If you want to see what a Romney/Ryan win will eventually look like just look to the way women are treated in the Middle East. Scary, really.

So now these GOP idiots are trying to sell the "fact" that if a rape victim becomes pregnant it is because she unconsciously wanted her rapists child? If that moronic idea was even possible there would be no unwanted pregnancies ever. A woman could just will the egg to dodge the sperm. Ladies get your passports. They can effect abortion law here but Canada is just a stones throw away. These jerks just may abortion make all but impossible if not illegal in the US. Rep. Todd Akin never heard of a rapist using a condom to avoid leaving behind any DNA evidence? Oh I forgot that DNA mumbo jumbo is just more of that hokum science like that there global worming nonsense. (sarcasm)

since the 60's millions of people have died as the result of permissive sexual attitudes

Ummm...Leave It To Beaver went off the air 50 years ago, stop trying to pretend a show from the 1950s should serve as a model for 21st Century life!

And these idiots who say "in times of ACTUAL rape (switch the term actual for legitimate) the female body has ways to shut the whole thing down" are way off base. Suppose a woman is at the height of her cycle when she's raped? It's very unlikely that she could just "shut down" the biological processes...which is why some women do get pregnant via rape. All you clowns are trying to do is justify your completely mistaken belief by saying that not all women get pregnant from rapes, and hence all women can prevent getting pregnant because of some mystery "mechanism" to shut down part of their bodies. Where do you get your information, from Rush Limbaugh? Glenn Beck?

By the same token, people who believe this drivel -- and it is drivel, absolutely zero proof has been offered -- must also have a similar mechanism. This shuts down their ability to poop...because they are obviously full of it!

i think what this clearly inarticulate wretch meant was a rape that is a violent criminal thing, as opposed to a rape that is not violent or aggressive but because of it's legal definition is rape. his contention is that the violence and aggression triggers some kind of biochemical response in the female body that reduces likelyhood fertilization. i'm sure this is a myth perpetrated by abortion foes to help them reject the choice of abortion for rape pregnancy. he clearly has no appreciation for the torment that can be experienced by carrying a rapists child to term. the uncertain and debatable rights of a fetus of rape, for him, clearly trump the very real and undeniable torment of the rape victim. what an idiot.

this is one of the main reasons i rejected a concrete, conservative christianity. i kept finding myself having to distort reality to fit into those rigid beliefs. you weren't free to try understand the world around you as it really was, but had to always pin it into the framework of the dogma. the fitting just got harder and harder. this guy is sadly twisting the world and the lives of others into his limited concept of reality. thankfully he's now toast.

mygirl, #1.136 - Patriotic American U.S.A. would love that one !

Memo to Republican party: Minimum requirement for Congress is a 3-digit IQ. Stop sending us your dumb, your stupid, your idiotic masses.

LorraineH

Absent medical illness, will not taking a birth control pill cause you any pain, dysfunction or kill you?

You know the answer is no. The only other use of contraceptives, other than for medical reasons, is for recreational sex, period! As such it is a luxury in that respect, not a necessity.

If you want to play, you got to pay.

I know personal responsibility is not a virtue you Liberals are indoctrinated with. You live in that mythical world of fairness surrounded by the delusion of social and economic justice for the collective. You worship at the altar of the monolithic bureaucracy called government and you submit your dependence to the "Life of Julia".

You can argue this any way you want, you know I'm right. Once again, you Liberals react emotionally rather than logically to things you think should be given to you by someone else because you think it's fair or it’s owed to you.

Grow up. Become responsible, ambitious and independent. It's much better than walking around all your life with your hand out. Your self-pity makes you look more insignificant than you already are.

Romney/Ryan 2012 for real Americans

First and foremost this man is stupid not the Republican party but the man. Second if a woman's body could just shut down and not ovulate so she did not have an unwanted pregnancy by rape or any other method there would be no need for abortion. I also would like to ask Mr. Akin if he would want his wife or daughter to carry a product of rape to term and then either give it up or keep it and how is he going to get the rapist to support this child from prison? The gentleman should just say he is too stupid to help run our country and get out of the race because I sure his comments cost him some votes.

Avenger - Nice ideal(not idea). It wouldn't matter what candidates say they were, conservative or liberal. Their opponents will always try to label them as extreme (fill in the blank) or un-American. "Get your heads past the headlines and search for the real truths that each candidate has done and not what he/she says they will do." Say what! Where exactly will we find "the truth" on their Internet page. Sure for a sitting politician has cast votes, they have a paper trail. A challenger has no paper trail and is running against the office holders record. But in actuality, the challenger can only say what they would do. If the office holder gets grief for a cast vote, they could always say they were wrong and wouldn't do it again. All around the world their are political parties and the USA can do without them? Only in a utopia my friend and that doesn't exists in this world.

"OBAMA Shows to be everything Romney is not, A Leader"

On a more serious note... the White House has taken the leash off sleepy Joe Biden... he's returning to the campaign trail next week! Woohoo... as a conservative, this looks pretty good to me! Go get 'em Joe, lmao!

Maybe Todd was talking about himself, the dude is desperate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Akin, thank you for saying, "If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down".

Akin you're WRONG, but, there are ways to shut down candidates that don't release legitimate tax returns.

The GOP losted my Vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JIM SPENCE: If you want to play, you got to pay.

1) MEN CANNOT GET PREGNANT. 2) MEN COMMIT ALL RAPE. Therefore you find it "logical" that when men "play," women should pay?

Sorry, this lawyer sees no logic whatsoever in your argument. Your thesis is essentially untenable because, "If you want to play you got to pay" applies only to one side of the equation: women, yet men are aggressors without consequence.

Actual logic can be found in the following premise:

1) Only women can conceive and bear offspring,

2) women cannot commit rape in any way that produces offspring, THEREFORE

whether or not a child is to be conceived and born is appropriately a decision only for women.

Logical people do not expect their logic to be augmented in any way by insisting,

You can argue this any way you want, you know I'm right.

That statement is pathologically lacking in logic of any sort.

My guess is this Congressman, who still has fairly good looks, was a real player in his day--may be one even now, as many powerful men tend to be.

Maybe he's convinced himself the girls he's forced all "really wanted it" because, you know, that's how penises think.

Maybe if you quit thinking with your penis brain, you could learn how syllogism works.

@ Gemini618 #1.122

Sorry Linda but it's the WOMAN'S decision. There IS no 'god'.

And You can prove there is no 'God'. One atheist to another, I'd sure like to see your "PROOF".

To all you dope smoking liberal hippies, please learn to read. This article is much ado about nothing. And all your comments just go to show how really inept, you people really are. If you are upset about anything, it should be his comment about:

If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said.

This is news to me, and I have found nothing to substantiate it, but neither have I found anything to disprove it. Maybe someone can find research on this topic and clue us in. (maybe a few of you are right and this guy is an idiot)

Does anyone in this room remember the "Duke Lacrosse Case" in which three Duke players were accused in 2006 of rape and other crimes they did not commit. I would not classify Crystal Mangum as a "Legitimate" rape victim.

Of course certain woman lie about being raped, and for many reasons. I believe he was merely trying to define a narrow segment of the Abortion debate, that of actual rape cases. He obviously believes that a woman should not be able to get an abortion, by either being raped or lying about being raped.

but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”

I would tend to disagree, as I believe any illegal act negates all following results. If a woman is "legitimately" raped and not lying about it, then yes, I believe she should get an abortion if she so desires. (I am not about to sentence a woman to 9 months of morning sickness and the other woes that come from pregnancy, if she had no choice in the matter)

Other wise, I am going to have to agree with Jim Spence

If you want to play, you got to pay.

'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'-Ronald Reagan

Dee Turner

Take a pill Matlock. "If you want to play, you got to pay" is in reference to using contraceptives for any other use than medical. If you want to use a birth control pill for recreational sex, by all means do it, I have no problem with that, just pay for it yourself.

A contraceptive is a method or device to prevent pregnancy. As I mentioned, from abstinence to sterilization and everything in between, there are multiple methods of prevention. If there is no medical need it is purely a want, not a need. It is a luxury. As such, a responsible person should use and pay for whatever method they choose. If you can't afford it, don't do it.

Just because someone who drinks beer wants but can't afford Courvoisier doesn't mean you or I should pay for it.

When you "want" to do something you are responsible for its cost, or you pay the consequences. We must reject the idea that anytime someone "wants" something society is responsible for providing it.

It's time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his/her actions. If someone wants to use Viagra to enhance his sexual performance, and he doesn't have a medical condition that would prevent that, he is responsible to pay for it. If someone needs Viagra, due to a medical condition (juvenile diabetes for example), to father a child with his wife, there should be methods to help obtain it. It is a need, not a want.

My posts all referred to recreational sex, not rape, incest or any other forced intervention. I hope you read your briefs better than you do these posts.

Nice try though.

Romney/Ryan 2012 for real Americans

i'm not seeing abortion being up for debate...ever. so who cares about their views? it's moot.

Well, I don't have to watch the movie Precious because I lived both the incest and the pregnancy. I'd say pretty much everything shut down as a result of my abuse-emotions, social development, even some physical feelings-but I still got pregnant. And I hate to tell you guys, but the abortion was traumatic as well. That's the dark underbelly no one ever talks about. (There were later rapes that did not make me pregnant, but obviously rape can make you pregnant.) Thankfully, there has been tremendous healing and forgiveness in my life through God's grace. The abuse brought me shame and pain, but the God I believe in is not about shame-instead he brought me love and forgiveness. So many things have been restored, even my sense of smell, which I didn't realize I had lost. I wish healing for any who suffer due to rape, incest, or abortion. Some women are no doubt relieved after having an abortion, but I know that some are not-I was not the only one in my group to need and to undergo tremendous healing.

2) MEN COMMIT ALL RAPE

sorry dee, not true, women do rape men. its rare, but well-documented

I suppose we could let his wife and daughter ( if he has any) get raped and see how he feels. Let him watch.

You are PROMOTING rape of someone's wife and daughter? Do you think you are the better person?

Between Romney for President and this insensitive Republican... You had to know this had to be a comment from coming from fairly high in he GOP.

These guys must have a whole warehouse of Stepford wives - ready, willing and able to obey anything thing these idiots decide to say on any given day.

They also mus be takeing stupid classes to even this crap. Please don't let it pass - as a slip of the lip. In case after case, they have tried to remove or purchase a get out of jail free card for thier sons or themselves for the same crimes against women.

I understand the term "legitimate". It was stupid of him to use the word. Could have just said his wrongfully held position that rapes do not result in pregnancy. It would be so convenient for us if we could "shut down" our biological processes to avoid unwanted, unneeded, poorly timed pregnancies. Then we would not need birth control. Spence--it is not just for recreational sex. That is what viagra is for. Sex is important within a marriage, not always just to make a child. Do you only have sex when you want a child? I personally am antiabortion, but I would not tell another adult that they cannot have this done in a safe, clean environment. Too many unplanned children also has negative effect on family finances and our public finances.

JimSpence, you said:

Absent medical illness, will not taking a birth control pill cause you any pain, dysfunction or kill you?

Yes. My cramps were always more severe when I was not on the pill. Painful, in fact. Also, though I am absent any current medical illness, an unwanted pregnancy would cause me to gain weight, and most likely have a second bout of gestational diabetes, thereby increasing the likelihood of my developing type 2 diabetes down the road. I would consider that significant dysfunction. And finally, pregnancy can kill you, in any number of ways. (Well, not YOU, but it could kill ME. Or any other woman who got pregnant.) So, although none of this may mean anything to you personally, since it's all purely hypothetical to a person who cannot biologically bear children, the answers to your questions are "yes, yes, and yes."

You know the answer is no. The only other use of contraceptives, other than for medical reasons, is for recreational sex, period! As such it is a luxury in that respect, not a necessity.

Actually, that answer was yes. But on to your next statement about recreational sex, period. Yes, contraceptives do allow for recreational sex without fear of pregnancy. It seems the "recreational" part is what you object to, since you don't think insurance should cover Viagra for a man who isn't trying to impregnate someone. At least in that, you are fair. But the point is, in terms of insurance, THEY weren't being as fair as YOU. Viagra is covered. Viagra, which ONLY affects the ability to have sex, recreational or otherwise, was covered, but birth control pills, with their many non-sex-related uses, were not. This was discriminatory.

Let's face it, this whole hullaballoo over insurance covering birth control, was because some religions don't approve of birth control, and they don't approve of extramarital sex, and they were trying to discourage these things by removing the option from women's insurance. (The insurers included birth control as part of their standard services elsewhere, it was removed at the request of the religious-affiliated institutions, to keep women in line with their beliefs.) The problem is, this had the effect of interfering with women's basic, routine healthcare, and they weren't doing any such thing to men. It was discrimination, plain and simple.

Also, when I pay my insurance premiums, and my insurance covers birth control, how exactly do you figure that YOU are paying for it? You are not.

What's funny is that hardly anyone has commented on the SCARIER aspect of this whole thing: that which was left unsaid. Because there's the legitimate (REAL, violent, probably at the hands of a total stranger) rape, and then there are all those lesser, not-really-rape kinds of rape. Like when a girl goes out with a guy, and things get a little out of hand, and by the time she says "no," why it's too late, the little tease! Or the kind that happens when she has too much to drink and passes out. she must have wanted it, or she wouldn't have gotten so drunk that she couldn't fight back. Oooooor, you know, when she's dressed in a certain way that makes it obvious that she's open to sexual advances from anyone...

@Jim Spence- You damn skippy the health insurance companies should be made to pay for contraceptives just like she said. Hell, they pay for every other prescription drug that is on the market so they should cover contraceptives. I support clwdy. She is right. They should not just cover mens performance drugs for impotency, and mens drugs for health, they should cover womens contracetpives as well as our other drugs for our health. So you damn straight we feel that way. And no the government should not be regulating our personal decisions and our personal rights. They shouldn't be deciding who we can and cant marry and what we can and cant do with our bodies. You damn skippy.

And no men should not be allowed to tell us what we can and can't do with our bodies. And yes the hell we can have it both ways. Why in the hell not?! We have it both ways now and it needs to remain that way. There is absolutely no way in hell a man should ever be allowed to make a decision for a woman concerning her body. Im glad Obama made the insurances companies cover contraceptives, these are peopl'se private health insurance companies and since we the people pay them they should cover everything we need them to cover. They should not be allowed to decide what they want to cover since we can't decide our premiums and what we want to pay and/or if we want to pay. They need and want our money and we need and want our contraceptives. So you damn skippy we agree with the government forcing health insurance companies to pay for contraceptives.

So I second that motion by Clwdy. I fully agree. And I am so happy our President is Pro-choice. But then again almost all democrats are. And thats why I love them so much. And this is why they will always get my vote. And for all the ones making the comments about Christians-Not all of us are the same so please don't group us all together. It isn't fair because you have alot of Christians who feel the same way I feel. People desrve the right to chose their own life and what they want to do with it. That is between them and the Lord. Our Heavenly Father realized this and thats exactly why he gave us freewill. The right to chose for ourselves. Jesus never forced his ways and his beliefs on anybody and it is so unfortunate that He is represented by religious azzholes whom we call republicans.

They are hellbent on taking our rights way and I dont get it. Because if they truly represented Christ they would realize that everyone deserves the right to choose for themselves and should not be forced to do anything that they do not want to do. They wouldn't condemn people to hell and they would be for trying to help out the people who cant do for themselves and they would have way more compassion than what they show and have. So me personally, I dont think they are real Christians at all. I think they are wolves posing in sheep clothing. They are aints posing as saints. They are demons posing as Christians. They are a brood of vipers. This is their real identity. I see right through them. Just like another poster said, They are just using these issues to deflect from the real issues at hand. Just like their ring leader Bush who introduced all these religious issues because he didn't have anything legit to build his campaign on. And I still cant believe people voted his dumbazz in office based off these petty issues. Republicans never deal with real issues so why would anyone expect any different from this one.

Someone has already mentioned it, but it is ridiculous that there is all sorts of money coming into Missouri that simply want Republicans to get more control over Congress. These same people don't like campaign finance reform that would say money for a candidate needs to come from the constituency they represent, not outside manipulators that sponsor nitwits like Akin.

We need to make a list including Bachman, and all others that have shown support for this nut.

Leaving a decision up to God is synonymous with leaving a decision up to those WHO THINK they're God or have a special hot line to God.

No one has mentioned about punishing the child of rape by making them live unwanted and unloved.

Everyone in this thread who is exploiting this idiot's comments as a means to label the entire GOP or Tea Party as people who believe the same thing as this nut job are just as guilty of stupidity.

And after reading these threads, that's roughly 90% of you.

You want to hate this guy with such passion as to allow your prejudice to be justified simply because it appeals to your ideology?

You cannot call this man a pig unless you climb yourselves out of the pen.

Shame on you.

And you know what's really sad? You're so caught up in riotous group-think and emotional hijacking of the issue that you can't even recognize it.

I get it. We all get it. You have a strong belief and stance on certain issues. But to dehumanize 50% of the population of this country who disagree with you... to be that intolerant... makes you inhuman.

This guy is a member of the GOP. That means he checked a box on a voter registration card. Does that mean everyone who supports the Occupy Wall Street protest movement is the kind of person that would take a crap on a police car just because one idiot did?

Let me ask you this a different way. When you cast stones at an entire party representing a large percentage of the American public, does it help bring people together or add to the forces that tear this country apart?

And why do you feel motivated to tear this country apart? And what is holding you back from moving past the petty divisiveness and become an agent of constructive growth?

JS in SD

Democrats actually spent during that primary to help Akin win, viewing the six-term congressman as a less formidable challenger in the general election.

This is blatant tampering with the election process. The Democrats have no business interfering in the Republican party nominating process. Actions such as this should be illegal as it taints the entire process. It also may be a violation of campaign finance regulations and should be investigated by the FEC.

There were maybe 6 candidates on the Republican primary ticket. Three were considered viable to the point of our local paper doing a little bio on them. Democrats ran negative ads on all three, but harder on the top two. When asked, the Democrats were pretty open that they would rather run against Akin, and they were very open with the fact that they spent more against the other two as a result.

Not an FEC violation. Not illegal or immoral, unless you require equal spending against all 6 candidates.

Clair McCaskill is rated dead center in terms of left or right... she's what we used to call a moderate. You know... the ones that worked across the aisle and got things done? Now we are all purely blue and red... dark red.

FFS, this guy is a moron.. Rape is rape no matter how pretty you want to paint it with different words.

KennySherrill- I had two clients that were 10 years old when they conceived their first children, guess who did it? Yes, if you guess biological father you are correct. When we got the cases we asked if they wanted to terminate or place for adoption but guess what, the grandmas were both republicans, both Christians, and both seen new incest babies as potential welfare checks. Yes, both grandparents are receiving welfare checks now..

Can you imagine saying I am 18 and my mom is 28, and my daddy is my grandpa. Puts a whole new spin on it. I always wondered if a 10 year old even capable of making a choice to place a baby up for adoption, keeping, or aborting it. I look at my 11 year old and think not..

Well, as far as I can see, you are all missing the point here.

Examine his statement closely:

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said.

Ergo - if she was raped, she wouldn't have ended up pregnant. And the corollary - if she is pregnant, then it couldn't have been rape!

Oh, defense lawyers would have a ball with this. Except for the minor fact that it just isn't true! Look closely; what this statement does is turn the victim of rape into the criminal. If a woman is raped and she ends up pregnant, then it couldn't have been rape! She must have been a willing participant and therefore is falsely accusing her rapist!

Is this man Muslim? This smells so much like the Muslim Imans that insist women must go covered from head to toe because the sight of them might incite some man into rape. It is not the man's duty to avoid committing rape; it is a woman's duty to avoid inciting rape!

I hope they throw this idiot out on his ass!

Romney at a press conference: "Yes, I agree with Congressman Akin's comments about legitimate rape not causing any pregnancies."

(Aide whispers in Romney's ear.) Romney then follows up: "I completely disagree with Congressman Akin's statement!"

Reporter: "Governor, didn't you just say you agreed with him?"

Romney: "I never said that!"

WOW, is there such a thing as 'legi rape.'

What kind of party is the GOP?

The kind of party where 30 RepubliCON senators vote against Al Franken's bill that denies funding to Government contractors who deny their employees’ rights to seek justice in court when they have been raped by co-workers.

So yeah this really isn't surprising.

vglance

When you cast stones at an entire party representing a large percentage of the American public, does it help bring people together or add to the forces that tear this country apart?

And why do you feel motivated to tear this country apart? And what is holding you back from moving past the petty divisiveness and become an agent of constructive growth?

I somewhat agree. The reason I say "somewhat" is that the GOP has been infiltrated by extremists that do not represent that roughly 50% you speak of. These extremists are the loudest and seem to hold power over all the rest. They do not compromise. They make these stupid statements. They hold to extreme "values" and are willing to destroy ANYTHING to force their ways on others.

We tried compromising. We tried going across the aisle. What we got was hostage taking, absolute pledged positions, and a complete legislative shut-down... with the heart of the GOP afraid to make a move toward cooperation or compromise for fear of reprisal by the Tea Party financiers.

So we are here. We don't like it either. But when people like Akin say stupid things, we will jump on them, point out their stupidity, and point out that the GOP must believe the same because otherwise they would not allow these absolute extremes within their ranks.

The guy is telling the truth! Only republicans are mature enough to talk about the real issues. Democrat liberals live in fantasy land. Liberals cant stand to hear cold mean facts. They're even starting to believe in mermaids and unicorn existenses now.

Women lie about rape all the time. Legitimate arguments are only made by conservatives.

This is one reason why clinics that provide abortions can be a good thing. -_-

Sounds like something Joe Biden might say at a campaign rally. Lucky for him another idiot politician said it...

I generally am pro abortion and support same sex marriages among democrats, a perfect solution to thin out the liberal crowd over a couple of generations!

Jim Spence said:

It's time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his/her actions. If someone wants to use Viagra to enhance his sexual performance, and he doesn't have a medical condition that would prevent that, he is responsible to pay for it. If someone needs Viagra, due to a medical condition (juvenile diabetes for example), to father a child with his wife, there should be methods to help obtain it. It is a need, not a want.

You don't need to father a child on your wife. The days are long past when every married couple NEEDED to have children to mind the farm, etc.

Now, as regards contraception... Say a woman's been told by her doctor that if she gets pregnant, it will be at great risk to herself. She therefore NEEDS contraception to stay healthy but still be able to enjoy life with her husband.

I got my tubes tied after my second child--hubby and I both decided we didn't want anymore, but since I was the one staying home with the kids and he was the only one working, it made more sense for me to get fixed than for him to have a vasectomy. And even after that I still need birth control pills for biological reasons that have nothing to do with keeping from having kids. without them I turn into a Jekyll-and Hyde personality.

If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said.

First, what is a 'legitimate rape'? Is this idiot trying to distinguish between a forceable rape and a date rape? Is he trying to insinuate that some rapes are 'better' than others? His statement makes my blood boil! What a pig! Vote him out, now!!!

Second, what a stupid idea that a woman's body can somehow, automatically reject the sperm of a man who forceably rapes her (but maybe not if it's date rape?) Where did he go to school? He's as ignorant about sex as a five year old. Akin needs to crawl back into the hole in the ground he crawled out of.

If the women of his district think he has the intelligence, common sense, or humanity to represent them, they better pray they don't get raped. Akin is a dinosaur and his bones belong in a museum.

VOTE HIM OUT, NOW.

Another ignorant Bible-thumper in public office. What about separation between Church and State?

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,"

In case any of you are wondering "Just what "Doctors" did this dimwit ask?"

Dr. Mengele

Dr. Moreau

Dr. Phibes

Dr. Frankenstein

and, since he's a republican,

Dr. Do-little

Jim Spence,

Are you playing with a full deck? "If you play you've got to pay" and fella, you are coming a cross as if you need to pay for the error of your ways. Take a contra and try to fit it over your head!

How much do you want to bet that NBC leaves this story up all day again hehe. Follow up stories to come later. But still, this happened too early for it to be a game changer. It will be back to Romney's tax returns, with the usual class warfare and racism theme that the Dems will have to rely on. Oh, and the Mexican vote! What a substantive race this will be!

Colormepurple

"Also, WHEN did women's bodies evolve the ability to self destruct a rapists semen or "shut down" conception??? Is this a philosophy brought on by religious beliefs or just stupidity???"

Home schooling might have something to do with it.

Rape has legal definitions, but it is never legitimate even in a marriage. No means no. Killing a man or woman is legal only if there is a conviction for a capital crime. I never heard of rape as a sentence for a crime.

Akin did not misspeak, the evil little smirk on his face indicated he enjoyed saying the rape remark. If Akin is elected he will figuratively rape and plunder his his poor constituents, like Romney, and Ryan, will rape, and plunder the middle class, the poor, the elderly, and the disabled, the nation if elected.

Just when you think there can not be another idiot running for political office.. POP ...POP.... up comes another one... but the really idiotic thing is that other morons that believe him..... and they ALL ARE FROM THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT OR REPUBLICANS. Something really sick about these people.

Akin did not misspeak, the evil little smirk on his face indicated he enjoyed saying the rape remark. If Akin is elected he will figuratively rape and plunder his his poor constituents, like Romney, and Ryan, will rape, and plunder the middle class, the poor, the elderly, and the disabled, the nation if elected

Oh, I think Akin signed his death warrant on this one. The Republican establishment will drop him like a hot potato as well.

Hey, this is great news for us ladies! All we have to do is automatically shut down our reproductive equipment whenever we don't want to conceive. Who knew it was so easy??

It also explains why El Rushbo was never able to impregnate any of his four wives: they all shut him down. They must not be as crazy as I had always thought.

Or maybe that suitcase full of Viagra he smuggled in from the Dominican Republic was counterfeit.

Paul Ryan co-sponsored a bill with this nutjob Akin to distinguish rape as 'forcible or non-forcible'. The GOP seems bent on political suicide.

I bet if you check U.S. Rep Todd Akins record it will show voting down sex education courses for teens in high school. Rush Limbaugh to much sex with Todd Akins took sex Ed together in high school and cheated of each other.

One doctor who spouted the same nonsense a few years back was the late Dr. Fay Boozman of Arkansas. He was male, by the way, and an opthamologist, not that I think either description is particularly enlightening in terms of this type of comment. That he was a Republican politician seems to be, at least slightly, more to the point. Sadly, like every other locale, Arkansas has its share of nut jobs -- past and present.

This guy is a rightwingwhackadoodle, inbred, braindead, phucked in the head, moron.

The entire country should have a say as to whether or not this person is allowed to be in our Congress. He needs a psychological evaluation, NOW!

Todd Akin: I had sex with a woman last night in the back seat of my car. It wasn't rape. She said she didn't want to-- she said she was a virgin... she said I was older than her dad-- but after several glasses of wine, she kind of seemed to waver a little. I knew she really wanted it. It wasn't rape. I had music playing on the radio and I lit a scented candle! I know she liked it because she kept screaming.

It wasn't rape. I know she can't get pregnant because it was her first time.

LOL

Females of certain mammalian species, notably rabbits (there may be others but I'm not sure of those at the moment) and other animals that live in colonies can spontaneously reabsorb a fetus into their bodies if the time isn't 'right'--the colony is overcrowded, they are in the middle of migration, etc. and therefore prevent production of offspring at a time when it would be dangerous to the collective colony to do so. It is scientific fact, and it has been documented in nonfiction and in fiction such as Richard Adams' book 'Watership Down'.

In the novel quoted above it anthropomorphizes rabbit colonies and relationships, ascribing to the rabbits in the story human characteristics. One female rabbit is raped and her body reabsorbs the fetus. However, important note; this is FICTION and the story is about RABBITS.

Dear Representative Akin;

I don't know where you you got the information that a human female is capable of shutting down reproductive processes in instances of rape, but the information itself is erroneous and flawed. While trauma, stress, emotional issues arising from financial and economic instability from an unwanted pregnancy MAY cause a miscarriage, it is not common and does not happen often. One needs only to look at the women in the deportation camps in Germany of the 30's to see the numbers of female internees who became pregnant due to rape by the camp guards, which are well-documented. You need only to look up cases of young children, as young as nine or ten, who give birth to the children of their molesters, to see the reality.

We women would like to invite you to sit down and talk to us. Get to know us. Visit a battered women's shelter, talk to rape crisis counselors, look at the statistics. Please feel free to bring whatever medical professional advised you so that he/they too can be informed of the reality of rapes resulting in births.

Thank you.

I don't want to paint all members of a group with the same paintbrush, and I do know some registered republicans who are intelligent and well-informed about issues, but when I hear stuff like this, I wonder.

There's this Republican Representative Akin saying that women rarely get pregnant when raped because their bodies can prevent it.

And there's the Republican Representative Steve King in Iowa who said earlier this month that if it's legal to take your kids to see a boxing or wrestling match, then it should be legal to take your kids to see a dogfight or cockfight.

Can we all wake up here? If you want to represent us, whether Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea Party, whatever you want to label yourself--- then do your research and understand the issues plaguing your constituency. The US is not a pure democracy, where a majority's decision should apply to everyone--we're a republic, and that means laws passed for the people to follow should be fair for ALL the people.

Legitmate rape ?? something new here i learned, did he get HPV Bachman variety vaccine recently from her? That explain. Republican is a party for Stupidicus Ignoramus type fsuch as Akins, Bachman, Perry, Romney. Too bad Biden is a Democrat? Is Akins talking about a non discharging foreign object i.e. broomstick entering a cavity (his)? I'm lost.

TO ALL LIBERALS: It's starting to sound to me like solving the GOP problem is as simple as giving every one of those dumb sons of bitches a microphone. Let em broadcast their idiocy to the world..

And that just about sums up the GOP for you, ladies and gentlemen.

ElectroFreak - The problem is repubbie-taliban just eats this crap up and keep coming back for more and more. Beyond pathetic and medieval thinking.

Did anybody else do a facepalm when this "genius" said that?

Who needs negative ads when the politicians do their own foot bullets!

Also: I am sure Teabaggers and Birthers are going to stand by this idiot's "science", further embarrassing themselves and showing their lack of intelligence!

foolishness abounds -

It certainly does!

BIG AL - VOTE DEMOCRAT !!!!!!!!!!

Thats right Big Al. Let's just vote democrat because they call themselves a democrat. Sounds like you are the same type of brainiac that has gotten our country into this bipartisan mess it is in now. Let's keep voting idiots like Nancy Pelosi into office because she wears a red bandana. That is almost as smart as voting this loose lipped Republican retard into office just because he is GOP.

SanAndres - And that just about sums up the GOP for you

Just as much as John Edwards sums up the democrats? Keep your profiling going bud, it seems to be working extremely well in our government

Dear foolishness abounds:

Your name is a perfect description of yourself. LOLing at your rage and believing the RepubliKKKans are Jesus and FAUX News is the Bible.

Consider your post reported and invoking Rule #14 for your fail trolling.

Foolishness about - So I guess a woman, who gets raped, should be hoping she gets a gift from God(baby by rape). She should just lie back and enjoy! Hopefully she remembers to remove the aspirin from between her knees. Just the usual twisted think of the pubbie-taliban, man up ladies! You, foolishness, know your beneath contempt, don't you. Rational discourse, when are you going to try that!

foolishness abounds said;

As for the part about a woman's body "shutting down during rape", again it is obvious that he is referring to things such as the FACT that, if a woman is aroused, her secretions make it easier for sperm to travel to its destination

A woman's body is always wet inside. It's always secreting. A woman does not have to be aroused for her body to produce moisture. Additionally there are various bacterium that increase scretions.

or the FACT that, if a woman orgasms, her muscular contractions draw the fluids closer to her womb, thus increasing the chances of pregnancy.

Women who are raped have orgasms too. An orgasm is a muscular contraction, a purely physical response to the placement of male organs inside a female and has nothing to do whatsoever with whether a woman 'wants it' or not, consents or not. The myth that a woman has orgasms only when she wants it and if she has one during rape that means she secretly 'wanted it' is the reason why so many women don't report rape when it happens and blame themselves for the attack.

Politicians who put their foot in their mouth like this guy, "rarely win elections".!!!

Second if a woman's body could just shut down and not ovulate so she did not have an unwanted pregnancy by rape or any other method there would be no need for abortion

If that were true there would also be no need for another right-wing bogeyman, contraceptives! A woman could just turn her body off whenever she didn't want to get pregnant, and turn it back on when she wanted a baby.

Now all you horny right-wingers...no, there is no switch to get a woman to want to have sex with you, like you seem to think she can switch her body off to avoid pregnancy. Convincing her to have sex with you is all on you. I know, you're disappointed...you actually thought there might be a way for you to actually have sex, and I just threw water on it...

Spence, what he was trying to tell you is that sometimes women take contraception for reasons other than getting pregnant. I was 14 years old... a virgin (remained a virgin until I married at 25) and my doctor put me on birth control because I was having horribly painful periods... blood clots... cysts, etc. So women sometimes take birth control for reasons other than not getting pregnant...and they should be able to have that covered by their insurance. So don't just look at men's health and medical issues.... have a bit of a heart and compassion...and some intelligence and see how women might need birth control for reasons other than getting pregnant.

Aiken,

a fertilized egg is not a human being, it is not life. look at the definition in Roe v. Wade for the legal definition of when life begins.

If a fertilized egg isn't life, than neither is protazoa or bacteria...

That said: The man is an idiot. He didn't talk to any "doctors" unless they're vets and they were talking about starving female rabbits.

Did Mr Atkins ever give consideration to the fact that by banning abortions for rape victims he allows the rape victim to be victimized again by the rapist as most states have laws pertaining to the legal rights of the father? In essence, the rapist, after being 'punished', (if he is ever caught and brought to justice,) will have visitation and possibly custody rights over that child, forcing his victim--the mother of the child--to have to deal with her rapist until the child is at least 18 years old. Not to mention the psychological harm it might cause a child to grow up knowing his father, whom he will probably have visitation with, raped his mother.

I suppose Mr Atkins thinks most women are "asking to be raped" because they dressed provocatively or perhaps they smiled at a guy.

The ironic thing is that this interview was on a Fox affiliate. He probably thought he'd get some "soft lobs".

foolishness abounds

Republicans/Conservatives are wasting their time interacting with the Liberals that infest this site.

It's obvious that this guy was referring to "legitimate" INSTANCES of rape.

I won't bother going into the irony of your name.

Just please tell us WTF you're talking about with "legitimate INSTANCES of rape". Are you saying that if a woman 'claims' she was raped, but it was actually consensual on her part, she's more likely to get pregnant than if her rapist forcibly attacked her?

Because that is utter bunk and if you believe that, it demonstrates that you know as little about human reproduction as that idiot Akins.

My advice to you: USE CONDOMS. EVERY TIME.

Todd Akins doesn't have the intelligence to represent a fishbowl full of guppies. We need representatives in government who know what the hell they're talking about, and since he clearly doesn't, he needs to sit down and STFU.

Same goes for you.

@ Kathy-467503 #1.200 and to several others.

If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said.

First, what is a 'legitimate rape'? Is this idiot trying to distinguish between a forceable rape and a date rape? Is he trying to insinuate that some rapes are 'better' than others? His statement makes my blood boil! What a pig! Vote him out, now!!!

Second, what a stupid idea that a woman's body can somehow, automatically reject the sperm of a man who forceably rapes her (but maybe not if it's date rape?) Where did he go to school? He's as ignorant about sex as a five year old. Akin needs to crawl back into the hole in the ground he crawled out of.

If the women of his district think he has the intelligence, common sense, or humanity to represent them, they better pray they don't get raped. Akin is a dinosaur and his bones belong in a museum.

VOTE HIM OUT, NOW.

First of all, his is only a nominee, and not the incumbent to be voted out, please read the article. as per my post at #1.178 And the fact that this makes your "blood boil" tells me this is an entirely emotional response from you, which is, what, I am guessing, this author wanted. Given that the link to this story read "'Legitimate Rape' doesn't cause pregnancy" only to change to "rarely causes" tells me this author was going for the emotional response. Judging by the comments above, I would say with the exception of maybe 4 or 5 commentators, everyone fell, hook, line and sinker for this hullabaloo.

OY-VAY comment @ #1.19 seems to get it, and put it into perspective.

His statement was awkward but factually correct. He was annoyed that the moderator was using an extreme case as a test case for most abortions. Many abortion proponents tend to use exceptional cases as gotchas when they know full well the scenario at hand doesn't apply to most cases.

His response was not politically correct but it was accurate. Unfortunately,most people will focus on the parts that evokes the most emotion and jump to conclusions rather than listen.

There is no sane person would would disagree that most rapes don't result in pregnancy, because it is an accurate statement

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey of 2007 the were about 250K sexual assaults. The DOJ estimates 300,000 women are actually raped each year.

The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. {.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248} and (if you use these numbers you get an estimated 642020 rapes per year) so, somebody is off some where in their numbers.

OK so we have between 250K and 640K women assaulted each year, with an estimated 5% pregnancies, doesn't seem that rare to me, but you decide.

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said.

He is merely reiterating what some doctors told him, and perhaps he has been misinformed. I would suggest you find some data to substantiate your claim and prove him wrong. I was unable to find anything to either refute or substantiate his claim, so I can not say either way.

Again reading from my post at 1.178, Do you remember the Duke Lacrosse team, and the FALSE accusations made by Crystal Mangum? As I read this, and this is my interpretation, only. "A legitimate rape is one in which an actual rape occurred and was not fabricated by the woman in question. One should ask the author of the article to clarify Mr. Akins statement, but I think that would jeopardize this authors agenda, and the ambush tactics used in modern media.

And to all you commie, low life disgusting, scum bag, miserable miscreants, to think that, or to insinuate that, conservatives or Republicans are in FAVOR of the rape of women as posted in several of the comments above is so utterly offensive and completely reprehensible. If I could find you, I would. And I would sue you for libel, if I didn't beat the stupid out of you first. I can not think of enough words to describe foul odor that surrounds your very presence, that stench that is liberal ideology.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW - If it were up to me ALL CONVICTED rapists would be physically castrated, unfortunately, it seems, to most of you liberals, that is cruel and unusual punishment. So we imprison them, for a while and release them to go impregnate some other woman. And we are back talking about the same problem.

To the voters of Akin's district: What The Fongonus is the matter with you folks? Akins is sporting one of the world's worst combovers...!!! That's one of the first signs of impaired reasoning.

Comments like Akins made could be the "tip of the iceberg" for the conservative Christian Republican agenda.

Please remember that Romney and Ryan are part of that, as you consider the upcoming election...

If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said.

......Yes my body does have a way.... it's called BIRTH CONTROL!!!!

A lot of conservative supporters on this thread are interpreting "legitimate" to mean a true accusation and not a lie. This only exemplifies how you people live in denial when it comes to the ignorance that this party should be held accountable for.

Read the sentence again. Specifically the part about the female body shutting "that thing" down. If Akin is referring to a woman lying about rape then where the hell does her body come into this???? If she were lying then her body wouldn't have to shut anything down.

The opposers of Akin on this thread are reading that line 100% within context and much more accurately than you. He is implying that I, as a woman, have some magical switch that blocks semen from reaching my eggs in the case where intercourse is forced... Are you kidding me?????

Meanwhile, Mitt Romney is trying to do away with most birth control citing that life begins at conception, when most forms of birth control prevent the egg from simply attaching to the uterus wall, BEFORE sex even occurs. How is that "conception"?????

Face it, these are 2 men that have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to the female body. There isn't a single PROVEN study that shows a woman's body works in the ways they described.

Either they are making this $hit up as they go along - hoping that YOU, the constituents, eat up their bull $hit without question (which seems to be working) - OR someone actually had the nerve to teach them these fables in school or at home.

It is making me seriously question the education system in the southern states, if that is the type of crap their kids are learning. It's one thing to question Darwin, but it is completely unacceptable to get basic human anatomy all wrong!

JackieK: I agree. Look at Sharia law - a man rapes a woman and she gets stoned to death or she has to marry him. It's beginning to sound like the Republican platform.

JimSpence: What I don't understand is that the so-called "Christian" Republicans are so against abortion AND contraception, yet they still want to make cuts to social programs. These same people are also supposed to be charitable to those less fortunate (from the Bible) yet they don't donate to charities that DO anything to help people. (They Tithe to the church, but that just is to pay the bills not help anyone.) Many republicans have 6 or more children - but they can afford them because most were already from upper middle class or wealthy families. Any poor woman who is denied contraception and her choice, should choose any Republican and put HIS name on the birth certificate, and then drop off the kid.

uaw-779887 - Most of them have education - they just didn't pay attention in class. Too busy sneaking peeks at porn in class. Or else they went to Oral Roberts University that doesn't believe in science.

He is merely reiterating what some doctors told him, and perhaps he has been misinformed. I would suggest you find some data to substantiate your claim and prove him wrong. I was unable to find anything to either refute or substantiate his claim, so I can not say either way.

Name the physician(s) who gave Akin the ridiculous information that a woman is less likely to get pregnant after a rape because 'the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.' The onus is on Todd Akin to prove his ludicrous claim, not on the millions of women who know a little bit more about their own bodies, thank you very much, than this cretin.

Dumb Farm Boy.

Kornfed, I disagree with most of your posts, that Akin is toast by what he said, is probably the one area we agree on.

alex droogs: the problem with comparing the statement "shaking a family tree and sometimes nuts fall out" is that when you refer to the republican party, it's more like a bowl of granola: What aren't fruits and nuts are flakes.

Why is it that when Comstock was asked about this, All she could come up with was,"We need to Get Women back to work. No Sh6T Tupid. There is also a LARGER Percentage of MEN out of Work. Are the rEPUBS stooping to Lower Blows to get Peoples Mind off what They really Stand for. Maybe some of You Repubs need to Open Your Mind and Ears, before trying to Holler Kill on anything the Democrats have came up With. Seems to Me, I would rather have Someone Who CARES about the Entire Workforce, and get the Jobs coming Back to the US, and have a Good Economic Plan. BTW, ALL the GOVT, needs to keep their Hands Out Of Medicare and PAY Back what was taken. Then there wouldn't be a Problem with it.. Comstock, you need to just Keep Running your Flapper without KNOWLEDGE of what's going on, Because EVIDENTLY, YOU HAVE NO CLUE.

JimSpence:

"Absent medical illness, will not taking a birth control pill cause you any pain, dysfunction or kill you?"

Will not taking Viagra or Cialis kill you if you are no longer able to naturally achieve a firm erection? I assure you that a vast number of insurance companies say no and won't cover your Viagra. I know because I work for a Urology practice, so don't try to argue it isn't true. Many union plans in fact exclude the treatment of erectile dysfunction from coverage.

"If you want to use a birth control pill for recreational sex, by all means do it, I have no problem with that, just pay for it yourself."

Is it not the same that I'm paying for those insurance premiums that cover the contraceptive. Either way, I'm still paying for it. Furthermore, most insurance companies, that don't have exclusions forced on them by their clients, pay for contraceptives because it makes financial sense. Contraceptives are vastly less expensive than pregnancy.

@ kaybeetoys #1.241

Name the physician(s) who gave Akin the ridiculous information that a woman is less likely to get pregnant after a rape because 'the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.' The onus is on Todd Akin to prove his ludicrous claim, not on the millions of women who know a little bit more about their own bodies, thank you very much, than this cretin.

Dumb Farm Boy.

kaybeetoys, are you just stupid, or did you fail 3rd grade reading? What part of:

I was unable to find anything to either refute or substantiate his claim, so I can not say either way.

do you not understand? I WAS UNABLE TO FIND ANY DATA FOR OR AGAINST HIS ARGUMENT, THUS I WAS UNABLE TO FIND THE DOCTORS NAMES, WHO GAVE HIM THIS DATA. I was merely pointing out that this man believes, based on information from other supposed reliable sources, that the female reproductive mechanism responds to external stimuli, such as stress. (I also pointed out that he may have been misinformed.)

Woman athletes have been known to quit ovulating(or at least quit menstruating) during intense workouts, granted this is over a long time frame. Perhaps, just perhaps, some women have a similar response to short term stimuli, but again, I could not find any research on the topic. And I think you might be surprised at how little most women actually know about their own bodies, I know I was.

However, I did find this

Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion. {w.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248}

And given that 15% of the normal population has miscarriages (spontaneous abortion) one might conclude the opposite of the aforementioned self protection mechanisms for women.

When dealing with these numbers one should always consider who did the study and how the data was collected, "How to lie with Statistics", by Darrell Huff, WW Norton. 1954 is a wonderful book on the ways data is manipulated to get a desired result.

Foolishness Abounds:

“it is obvious that he is referring to things such as the FACT that, if a woman is aroused, her secretions make it easier for sperm to travel to its destination or the FACT that, if a woman orgasms, her muscular contractions draw the fluids closer to her womb, thus increasing the chances of pregnancy.”

Your assertion that female orgasm somehow has a significant impact on the success of conception is absolutely false. The impact, if any, isn’t so significant as to inhibit conception from rape. The fact is that the biological usefulness of the female orgasm is still unknown and different studies have come up with varying answers.

I suppose Mr Atkins thinks most women are "asking to be raped" because they dressed provocatively or perhaps they smiled at a guy.

In which case he probably thinks that women should cover their faces...no, wait, that would be like a burqa, and everyone knows that all Muslims are terrorists!

Todd Akins doesn't have the intelligence to represent a fishbowl full of guppies

Hey, wait a minute! That's an insult! I've had lots of nice guppies, and they wouldn't want him either!

Ryan and Akin co-sponsored a bill that wouldn't allow abortions for some kinds of rape. They used different words, but one of them was called, "grooming." What a sick bunch and a sick party!

mike-2130882

"The term "legitimate rape" in context was used to describe: ........ He used the term legitimate because in his statement he was pointing out something that was contigent on an actual violent act as opposed to how the female body responds at other times......"

And how, pray-tell, does the female body respond at other times vs. a violent act, Mike? Sounds like you are wearing your rectum as a hat these days as well, if you believe there is an actual difference in regards to fertility!!!

JimSpence

You see BPH, ED, menometrorrhagia, dysmenorrhea, acne and the myriad of medical DISEASES, DYSFUNCTIONS AND DISORDERS are what medications are for!

I have no problem for medications to be used to correct illness.

.... And how do you suggest women who need it for illness pay for it then? Do I now need to inform my employer that my cycle is irregular or that I get debilitating cramps, or have a number of other illnesses that up until this point were absolutely none of his business? How many other rights and morals should we do away with just so you can save a clump of splitting cells?

foolishness abounds

As for the part about a woman's body "shutting down during rape", again it is obvious that he is referring to things such as the FACT that, if a woman is aroused, her secretions make it easier for sperm to travel to its destination or the FACT that, if a woman orgasms, her muscular contractions draw the fluids closer to her womb, thus increasing the chances of pregnancy.

Newsflash - this debate is about PREVENTING pregnancy. And your theory doesn't work that way!

Either pass whatever it is that you are smoking or pass the citation showing any of what you said is proven fact. Better yet, show me the part where lack of orgasm absolutely prevents pregnancy. I hope you have a lot of spare time in the next few years, cause you are gonna be here awhile.

History & population completely disprove that statement, my friend. If conception was solely determined by a woman's arousal we would have died out long ago. How many young girls forced into an arranged marriage throughout history do you actually think were aroused by their husbands? And no matter what your wife is telling you, trust me, she's faking it! That however doesn't mean you can never have children.

The only thing female secretion helps with is friction. That's it. It doesn't open a magic door in the vagina that lets all the sperm in. And the little tadpoles can still find their way to an egg without an orgasm. Any man who's ever wanted a second child with his wife should be thankful that your "facts" are all screwed up. Lack of arousal cannot prevent pregnancy.

Please go back to sophomore biology before you really embarass yourself!

ram762581 Re: Post # 1.63, I am so very impressed with the sensitivity and expertise you bring to this discussion. You are uniquely qualified to speak to victims of rape and abuse who must have felt denigrated by Akin's reprehensible comments. Thank you for being willing to share and educate those with a lesser degree of experience and understanding. Those you work with are fortunate to reap the benefits of your delicate awareness and support.

Women who are raped have orgasms too. An orgasm is a muscular contraction, a purely physical response to the placement of male organs inside a female and has nothing to do whatsoever with whether a woman 'wants it' or not, consents or not. The myth that a woman has orgasms only when she wants it and if she has one during rape that means she secretly 'wanted it' is the reason why so many women don't report rape when it happens and blame themselves for the attack.

Thank you for pointing this out, Amanda. Many survivors of sexual abuse live with shame over this for years. It is, in fact, possible to be traumatized and frightened and to have an orgasm at the same time because your physical body is having a physical response to a physical stimulus involving horomones, blood flow, muscle contractions, etc. It is not always dependent on whether you wanted the stimulus in the first place. While this is true for women and men, it is especially true for children who usually have limited understanding if any about what is happening with their bodies sexually; and it can really torment them later if they remember confusing physical feelings. This is yet another dark underbelly that is rarely if ever discussed and that more people REALLY need to know about.

How bad is the Ryan-Akin anti-abortion bill?

By Greg Sargent

The national battle over Todd Akin's comments about "legitimate rape" has shed light on a"personhood" bill, co-sponsored by Akin and Paul Ryan, called the Sanctity of Life Act. Much of the chatter today has focused on whether Ryan opposes abortion in cases of rape. The Romney campaign confirmed today that Ryan does personally oppose it, while clarifying that a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose it.

(Wow! A complete Flip-Flop in the same sentence! The last one above. That's gotta be a new Romney Flip-Flop Speed Record!)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/how-bad-is-the-ryan-akin-anti-abortion-bill/2012/08/20/c7e37e04-eafe-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html

• This is PROOF POSITIVE that The GOP Mullahs are trying to IMPOSE a form of pseudo-Christian Sharia Law on all of America. Think about that. That is what The GOP gang is really up to.

BTW, That bill would be HR 212

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr212ih/pdf/BILLS-112hr212ih.pdf

the only species that I have heard of capable of "shutting down their reproductive system during rape" were certain species of Ducks. apparently, duck sex is pretty vicious

First - There is no such thing as 'legitimate' or 'illegitimate' rape. That's just idiotic?!?!?

That being said: guys, not EVERYONE that's opposed to abortion is a Women hater, or a crazy Christian, or is anti-choice, or is whatever other label you want to throw out to marginalize their opinion. Sometimes, a person who is opposed to abortion is just that - opposed to killing unborn babies.

Sometimes, it doesn't have anything to do with religion, or with wanting to impose 'male-ness' on Women, or any chauvinistic need to remove a Woman's right to her body or her procreation. Sometimes, it's just as simple as knowing that unborn babies are babies, and that killing babies is wrong.

So, you can label me sexest (not true) or a Woman hater (not true) or a bigot (not true) or a Christo-Nazi (not true) or whatever other label you feel will eliminate my opinion.... but honestly, for me... I just don't think we should be killing babies. That's it. :)

One thing is very clear in this. Akin didn't "misspeak" in saying something he didn't believe. He "misspoke" in saying something that's meant to be kept INSIDE the anti-abortion movement and not distributed among the lager society. This is a COMMON belief within the Christian Conservative wing of the GOP. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/rep-todd-akin-wrong-not-alone

Sometimes, it doesn't have anything to do with religion, or with wanting to impose 'male-ness' on Women, or any chauvinistic need to remove a Woman's right to her body or her procreation. Sometimes, it's just as simple as knowing that unborn babies are babies, and that killing babies is wrong.

You'll have to look far and wide for anyone who disagrees that killing babies is wrong. However, a fetus is not a baby until it has developed to the stage where it can survive independently outside the body of its mother.

With all due respect, Todd, you have the right to your view but not the right to impose your view on any woman. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. Don't impregnate a woman unless you are totally willing to bear responsibility for that baby.

Motherhood is a sacred obligation to bear and raise another helpless human being. A man can, and all too often does, walk away from the woman he has impregnated and the child that belongs equally to him.

A woman risks her very life (look at the statistics on maternal morbidity around the world and in this country in the not-so-distant past) to bring another human being into this world. Many women have suffered life-long health problems from child bearing.

The planet is already overpopulated. Children are starving, abused and exploited.

If you are concerned with babies in need or babies at risk, go to your community homeless shelter, battered woman's shelter, welfare office, orphanage, etc. and help those babies who desperately need your help. When there is not another baby on this earth in need, then maybe you can concern yourself with the unborn fetus. Or you could mind your own business.

I WAS UNABLE TO FIND ANY DATA FOR OR AGAINST HIS ARGUMENT, THUS I WAS UNABLE TO FIND THE DOCTORS NAMES, WHO GAVE HIM THIS DATA. I was merely pointing out that this man believes, based on information from other supposed reliable sources, that the female reproductive mechanism responds to external stimuli, such as stress. (I also pointed out that he may have been misinformed.)

I'm guessing you haven't found a unicorn or a Sasquatch either? I have better things to do with my time than look for non-existent data based on junk science.

Woman athletes have been known to quit ovulating(or at least quit menstruating) during intense workouts, granted this is over a long time frame. Perhaps, just perhaps, some women have a similar response to short term stimuli, but again, I could not find any research on the topic. And I think you might be surprised at how little most women actually know about their own bodies, I know I was.

It's a well-known fact that when a woman's body mass index drops to a low level, wherein her body does not have the necessary fat composition to support a pregnancy (usually seen in women who are underweight due to anorexia) her menstrual cycle will shut down. This has absolutely nothing to do with acute physical trauma, such as that suffered during a rape.

@ kaybeetoys #1.258

Just like a dope smoking hippy liberal. CHANGE THE SUBJECT!, so now I am supposed to be looking for unicorns and big foots? Really?! And that sounds like a typical liberal, "I don't have time to find actual proof" to back up my misguided, irrational, irresponsible allegations or life style.
And if you actually read my posts, in their entirety, you would understand that I am neither acknowledging this as true or false. And this post was for everyone in the room, I was hoping someone had heard something either pro or con on the topic.

"the necessary fat composition to support a pregnancy (usually seen in women who are underweight due to anorexia) her menstrual cycle will shut down. This has absolutely nothing to do with acute physical trauma, such as that suffered during a rape."

But has anyone studied this? and can you prove that it, "has absolutely nothing to do with acute physical trauma"

You see in my posts, I admit I don't know. I don't know if Akin was correct and there are actually doctors out there that have studied this and found this to be true. I don't know if there are doctors out there with an agenda, who told Akin this, even though they know it isn't true. I don't know if Akin just lied about it. You will notice that I said, "Perhaps, some women have a similar response to short term stimuli," meaning I don't know for sure, but that it could be possible.

And you might want to re-read my posts at 178 and 246;

And given that 15% of the normal population has miscarriages (spontaneous abortion) one might conclude the opposite of the aforementioned self protection mechanisms for women.

You see, I do, do some research. And that research does cast doubt upon Akin's Claims, but it is not definitive doubt.

Thank You Kay Bee Toys! I couldn't have said either one these statements any better myself. Thank you for saying exactly what was on my mind to Todd and to Dumb Farm Boy. Also thanks for adressing Foolishness Abounds because he had seriously pissed me off. He sounds just idiotic as Todd Atkins. Thank you so much.

Now for the ones who wants to insult liberals, we seem to have many more intellgent members belonging to our party than to your ridiculous religious right wing nut conservative party. And for the comments about Obama putting this country in the mess thats it in, you all know damn well that is a complete fabrication of the facts. You all know he inherited this @!$%#ty economy from our @!$%#ty previous commander in chief. Your beloved azzhole of a president George W. Bush who started all this bullcrap.

And to jim spence again- How does my paying for my private health insurance copmany who covers my contraeptives come out of your pocket? Please explain that to me. Because last time I checked every single American that has private health insurance has to pay them monthly. They do not have a choice. So how in the hell are you paying for somebody else's insurance to cover their contraceptives? You are not. You are just another conservative azzhole who dont think women should be allowed to obtain birth control to prevent prgenancy. Thats all to it. Your argument is not susbstantial at all. Thats exactly why men who feel like you should not be in office making decisions for the entire country. Men like you should not be in congress and definitely should not be president.

Women will literally be thrown back into the dark ages if Romney-Ryan is elected. They sure have proven that to be a fact.

You see in my posts, I admit I don't know. I don't know if Akin was correct and there are actually doctors out there that have studied this and found this to be true. I don't know if there are doctors out there with an agenda, who told Akin this, even though they know it isn't true. I don't know if Akin just lied about it.

Well, my dear Dumb Farm Boy, I DO know. I didn't have to do any research to know that what Todd Akin said about women having some sort of mechanism that prevents them from getting pregnant if they are raped was complete and utter nonsense. Just plain stupidity. Not even worth discussing as potentially true.

Some things we know without having to look them up. I'm sure you know plenty of things I don't know. I'm sure you know lots of things to be factual without having to do research.

If you know something to be factual, and you are certain of it, then say so. Speak up. But don't waste anybody's time with some crazy, stupid theory and expect those who do know the truth to go look for proof. That would be akin (pun fully intended) to me telling you that the moon is made of green cheese, and expecting you to prove it isn't.

Thanks for the shoutout, sweetcancer. This rape/forced childbearing issue has gotten me seriously pissed off. On the up side, it hurts Romney and that is a good thing. :)

DumbFarmBoy, I don't know about the research either. I'm prolife, but I do know this: unless Akin has solid, peer-reviewed proof of what he said, then he should not be saying it. You can't justify someone saying politically charged things like that without solid research evidence. Saying that "it's unknown" is no excuse. Besides, I'm pretty sure what he said is an old wives tale. ( Re the last sentence in particular: I'm not a politician on a national stage, so I can give my opinion, making it clear that it's just my opinion.)

OK, Kaybee, (and you too sweetcancer)you win, my brain hurts. I can not speak to you logically or any other way, you must be utterly correct because you said so.

If you know something to be factual, and you are certain of it, then say so. But don't waste anybody's time with some crazy, stupid theory and expect those who do know the truth to go look for proof.

There is no such thing as man made global warming.

Negros are not equal to white men.

Women are not equal to Men.

Northern Europeans are the most evolved of all the races and ethnicities and are therefore superior (Hitler was correct).

There is a God. Nope, wait There is no God.

Islam is a religion of Hate.

Judaism is a religion of greed.

Jesus was gay.

City people are stupid.

Do you want me to go on? I can make a compelling and logically argument for each of these statements of fact, because I know it to be factual, not that I believe them ideologically, though. But I doubt you, or many others of your ilk will understand that statement.

And you can say with absolute certainty, based on your vast worldly knowledge, that in ALL women, there is no hormonal shift caused by extreme stress that may interrupt the normal menstrual cycle.

Well, that's good enough for me, If you take my word for it and agree with the above statements, I'll take your word for yours.

@ sweetcancer #1.260

Now for the ones who wants to insult liberals, we seem to have many more intellgent members belonging to our party than to your ridiculous religious right wing nut conservative party. And for the comments about Obama putting this country in the mess thats it in, you all know damn well that is a complete fabrication of the facts. You all know he inherited this @!$%#ty economy from our @!$%#ty previous commander in chief. Your beloved azzhole of a president George W. Bush who started all this bullcrap.

And to jim spence again- How does my paying for my private health insurance copmany who covers my contraeptives come out of your pocket? Please explain that to me. Because last time I checked every single American that has private health insurance has to pay them monthly. They do not have a choice. So how in the hell are you paying for somebody else's insurance to cover their contraceptives? You are not. You are just another conservative azzhole who dont think women should be allowed to obtain birth control to prevent prgenancy. Thats all to it. Your argument is not susbstantial at all. Thats exactly why men who feel like you should not be in office making decisions for the entire country. Men like you should not be in congress and definitely should not be president.

Women will literally be thrown back into the dark ages if Romney-Ryan is elected. They sure have proven that to be a fact.

First of all, Obama added 47% to the National debt in 3.5 years. (that's just over 5 million-million Dollars or almost $17,000 for every American Citizen). It took Bush 8 years to add $7 trillion. and Obama may be well over 6 by Jan.

And it still amazes me how many of you truly ignorant and stupid are still out there, but it shouldn't. (With out the truly stupid, Democrats couldn't get elected.

It was the multitude of "Fair Lending Acts", all sponsored by Democrats, NOT BUSH (although I have read conflicting reports on what he did or didn't do to stop it) that eventually led to the housing crash of 2009. (not saying there weren't more than a few Republicans that jumped on that band wagon)

That's not what crashed the housing and financial markets. It was the deregulation of those markets and the final removal of Glass-Steagall in 1999. (From TReed)

The Glass–Steagall Act were repealed through the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999 by President Bill Clinton

The Economic Melt Down of 2008

It all started with the Carter Administration and the peoples “right” to own a home. What he meant was “The right of the minorities to own a home”, or more accurately legislation that lead to the “Fairness in Lending Act”. They had good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

We have been led to believe that Bush is responsible for the recession, and he is partially.

Here is what you don’t know. The bank ‘bailout’ is a misnomer. The government was committed to backing all those toxic loans. As part of the “Fairness in Lending Act”, HUD and the FHA was contracted to create federally backed home loans for the poor. (Free Ice Cream from the Democrats) Enter the creation of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. However, like any government program it was soon corrupted, witness Country Wide Home Loans.

All this was done under the watchful eyes of Chris Dodd and Barney Franks. In an effort to create “affordable housing” they lowered the standards. Mortgage agents and real estate speculators began to take advantage of the loose oversight, making bogus loan applications, bundling them together and selling them off. The Government CAUSED this recession, somebody in the media prove me wrong. (I know the time line isn’t exact, but given the limited space, the gist is correct)

And you have to believe me, because as Kaybee says, "Some things we know without having to look them up". (But I actually did look up all this stuff, and I talked to mortgage brokers, bank owners and Presidents, and they all said the same thing. "The Fed asked (extorted) them to create "Loan Products" for certain 'classes' of people) Don't believe me, go ask someone who owns a bank or a mortgage company.

How does my paying for my private health insurance company who covers my contraceptives come out of your pocket? Please explain that to me. Because last time I checked every single American that has private health insurance has to pay them monthly.

Because the premiums you pay are less than the cost of the Prescription, so the insurance company takes money from others to cover the difference, but that is a mute point. ;-) (Everybody pays into the kitty, to pay for what ever eventuality, some are more or less self inflicted (Skate boarders, Jack-Ass the movie types, etc) and others are not (cancer, illness and accident)

I think the relevant point is, with the activation of the ACA, millions of people will be put into TAXPAYER subsidies pools, and then what? Do we violate a Catholic's Constitutional Right of Freedom of Religion and force them to subsidies (pay) for someone else's birth control? (would it be any different to force a Conscientious Objector to fight in a war?)

I'm an Atheist, so this doesn't matter to me, but my mom is Catholic and it matters to her. What does matter to me, is the drug addicts...self inflicted bodily damage, strokes, heart attacks, etc, my dollars going to keep these worthless vermin alive, after they mess themselves up through illegal activity, that bothers me.

As I stated earlier, any illegal act negates the results.

And PLEASE, turn on your spell checker, Thanks.

@ seen to much #1.262

DumbFarmBoy, I don't know about the research either. I'm prolife, but I do know this: unless Akin has solid, peer-reviewed proof of what he said, then he should not be saying it. You can't justify someone saying politically charged things like that without solid research evidence. Saying that "it's unknown" is no excuse. Besides, I'm pretty sure what he said is an old wives tale. ( Re the last sentence in particular: I'm not a politician on a national stage, so I can give my opinion, making it clear that it's just my opinion.)

Oh, I agree whole heartedly, about the peer-reviewed proof and he shouldn't be saying these things if he can't back them up. And that was my point to some of these other folks in here. I have had numerous experiences that have run contrary to the known wisdom, which is why I mentioned the things I did. And I have been misinformed before too, and repeated the false information, much to my chagrin. Which is why I also mention to everyone to look it up themselves.

Case in point, "Saddam gassed the Kurds in Iraq, killing several thousand." Well he did and he didn't, it seems he gassed the Iranians who had invaded that region and the Kurds were collateral damage. At least in one instance according to one report, which was the instance the MSM used to say "Saddam gassed the Kurds".

It seems the more we delve into the information age, the less we actually informed.

OK, Kaybee, (and you too sweetcancer)you win, my brain hurts. I can not speak to you logically or any other way, you must be utterly correct because you said so.

Thanks, DFB...I accept your surrender. :)

And you can say with absolute certainty, based on your vast worldly knowledge, that in ALL women, there is no hormonal shift caused by extreme stress that may interrupt the normal menstrual cycle.

OK...now don't try to change the subject, Farm Boy! No one said that. In fact, I concur that extreme stress can and does interrupt the menstrual cycle.

Akin wasn't talking about the menstrual cycle, which is generally considered to be a 28-day (more or less) period that begins at the first day of menstruation. Ovulation, which usually occurs about mid-cycle when the egg is released from the ovary and begins to move through the fallopian tube into the uterus, might also be affected by extreme stress.

Calculation Using An ovulation Calendar - The first day of a period is considered as day 1. Usually on day 14, the egg is released and is waiting for the sperm to fertilize it. The egg has a lifespan of just 12 to 24 hours whereas a sperm can last for about 72 hours in a woman. Sex on day 12 and day 16 is important as it is the time that the woman has the highest chances for pregnancy.

Disabled World - Disability News for all the Family: http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/mostfertile.shtml#ixzz24Op2MmE5

Akin said that 'women who are legitimately raped have a way to shut that whole thing down'. That is complete and utter nonsense, as women cannot consciously ovulate or stop ovulation from happening. Women cannot will conception to occur, or will conception not to occur. There are no mechanisms, either physical or psychological, to will the sperm of a rapist to die.

While the shock, pain and terror of a man forcibly brutalizing a woman by raping her might throw her cycle off by a day or two, it is not enough to prevent pregnancy in every case.

More than 32,000 American women are impregnated annually, on average, by rape. Many, but not all women who go to the emergency room after a rape are given a prescription (the 'morning after pill') to help prevent them from becoming pregnant. Otherwise, the number of rape victims who end up pregnant would be much higher.

Free advice, DFB: don't try to tell a woman that you know more about the female reproductive system than she does. It's highly likely that if she's over the age of 15, she knows waaaay more than you do. Educate yourself, young man, and take responsibility for your procreation and birth control. I'm sure you already do that, right?

Freedom of Religion has absolutely nothing to do with what insurance buys. Ludicrous to even suggest such a thing, I can't even believe that is considered a legitimate argument. You're freedom to believe whatever you like does not trump a woman's ability to get a prescription. Freedom of Religion merely means you can choose not to buy them yourself. Hell a conscientious objector doesn't get to mandate his tax dollars don't go towards supporting a war, does he? Ridiculous comparison. And completely off topic for someone accusing others of changing it.

Also mentioning Gramm-Leach-Billey, then immediately blaming Clinton without acknowledging that each of the Congressmen was Republican, or even altering your early statement that the Fair Lending Acts were to blame is almost too much hypocrisy to handle.

No one FORCED banks to lend money to the unqualified. Financial institutions did so wholeheartedly once they found a way to privatize the risk involved (basically the repackaging and sale of debt). Where's the blame for the private sector who took rules intended to level the playing field and punish discriminatory lending and basically used them as an excuse to print money? Or who promoted the legislation that allowed them to grow too big to fail (except when they did and dragged the rest of us down with them).

There is no such thing as man made global warming.

Negros are not equal to white men.

Women are not equal to Men.

Northern Europeans are the most evolved of all the races and ethnicities and are therefore superior (Hitler was correct).

There is a God. Nope, wait There is no God.

Islam is a religion of Hate.

Judaism is a religion of greed.

Jesus was gay.

City people are stupid.

you forgot this one:

farm boys have sex with sheep

Do YOU understand no jo, that not everything revolves around you and yours, a great many of us just simply don't care what YOU decided, AND THAT OTHER WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEIR OWN DECISIONS!

You are defending this idiot?

NoJo

I have a theory year old son

I am so sorry for you. As to most abortions being performed as a form of birth control, I would if I were you, I would duck and run. However, you have once again come face to face with why the Republican's will lose this election. Women voters. Stand with your sisters for once in your life NoJo, even your heroine Ayn Rand would have been appalled.

you are absolutely right newday

no jo what you do with your body is your business and no one elses..the same also applies for everyone else. What other people do with their bodies is their business...not yours or anyone elses.

Exactly, bcwc: God I feel sorry for her granddaughter.

No Jo u blo*

The very thought that you reproduced is pure fear.

Obama/Biden 2012

Ms. nojo - tell your story to the 10 year old girl in Kansas.

I'm sure you have legitimate point you're trying to make here, and I'd love to hear it. I just think you should go back and look at what you have typed up here and ask yourself, "Is it readable?"

Thanks, elaine: there is NOTHING that makes me angrier than people denigrating women who are simply trying to make the best decisions they can make for themselves and their families under the most TRYING of circumstances.

no joe, no bo, nj, you wrote, Do you understand that rape disrupts ovulation?

Defend your statement and give us a genuine scientific reference devoid of religious right nonsense.

GOP pick - Legitimate rape rarely causes pregnancy, Todd - one way to find out ( "Bendover" )

America is getting sick and tired of losers like Todd Akin !!!!!!!!!!!!

Because enough Americans vote based on emotion rather than logic or reason or facts or rational discussion.

Remember, infant Jesus demands that we go bankrupt as a nation to save the zygotes.

Sweet, innocent zygotes!

Won't someone please think of the breakfast sandwiches?

You are defending this idiot?

YUP!

JAYSUS Snookie-Joe!

I didn't believe it was possible for you to become any more unhinged than you already are!

What a pathetic example of a woman you are!

SEEK HELP Donna!

PS: Who the hell gets to determine "legitimacy" this moron?

Snooki Joe:

I want to see any proof that "As a matter of fact- most abortions are performed as a form of birth control." That's a direct quote from your post.

I want proof or a retraction. The statistics say that is absolutely false.

Do what you will with your own body. Let others do with theirs what they decide. After all, when the day or reckoning comes, you won't be held responsible for their decisions, will you?

Ms. no jo and Rep. Akin - your "medical knowledge" is sadly lacking. Stress can actually INDUCE ovulation. Pregnancies from rape are more than twice as common as pregnancies from single consentual, unprotected intercourse.

Source: http ://www .biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1477-7827-8-53.pdf

At least he spewed off his uninformed idiocy PRIOR to the election and not after. Please candidates talk directly into the cameras so we know exactly where your brains are and what you stand for.

A womans body will normally shut that kind of thing down during a "legitimate rape".......

Glad the whole country is informed about your unbelievable misinformation.

Patriotic American, U.S.A. wrote:

"America is getting sick and tired of losers like Todd Akin !!!!!!!!!!!!"

Patriotic American, you couldn't be more wrong. This idiot Akins won. HE WON his election. Dismiss these fools at your peril. They present a greater threat to this country than any other enemy on the planet. You cannot overestimate the power of stupidity.

Vote G.O.P.! Suicide by Republican.

I live in the South, and I am amazed by the stupidity of this guy. I think some of my body systems just shut down.

oy-vay! - non-judgmental?????? substantive?????? Aren't you and your type judging what is best for a woman and her body passing judgment? Get out of there. There is no academic information to support your medical contentions regarding this matter. It is theorized that 30-50% of all conceptions are lost spontaneously. Pregnancy occurs more often than you know. By the way, what is an "illegitimate rape", Mr. Akin? This fool/politician wants a vote? He thinks he misspoke?

Feisty,

this moron is running to be a Senator for the party of NO.

But I guess when I woman says NO , it must be determined if it is legitimate?!?

Then this crazy man starts talking about women's bodies that know when the "little sperm" should be shut out or not.

Does this guy believe in home schooling by the way??? It sounds like that is where he learned Biology 101

@no jo

The sad fact is that 1 in 5 women are RAPED or sexually assaulted in this country. Oh they may not show up in your statistics because they may have been date raped or got themselves drunk and were raped or maybe even daddy took advantage of his daughter and they were too embarrassed, or from a good religious family to mention the rape.

And trust me, as a person who has found a newborn in a dumpster, there are many babies conceived that are never reported to anyone.

Have an almost three year old princess from that child, to boot.

Once again, Donna has to pimp out her grand-kid!

She has NO shame!

It sounds like that is where he learned Biology 101

Northstar,

Right beside Snookie-Joe!

These freaks scare the crap out of me!

"I live in the South, and I am amazed by the stupidity of this guy. I think some of my body systems just shut down." LOL, thanks Starderup - my ears keep trying to flap themselves shut over the idiocies pronounced as "fact" by modern-day Know-Nothings. Clearly they missed Biology 101.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Have an almost three year old princess from that child, to boot.

The comma after child is a typo. Nojo would kick anything be it a dead horse, a can of worms or not.

Nojo would kick anything be it a dead horse, a can of worms or not.

After 4+ years reading the ramblings out of the nut job from NJ, I really thought I had seen it all when it comes to her delusions, hatred & pathological lying...

She NEVER fails to surprise me! ☺

Amen to the anti nojo comments. It's bad enough to read the daily idiotic crap she spews about politics but to try and rationalize and defend the disgusting comments above from Rep Akin . . .GAH!!!! Bad enough I had to watch probe boy this morning and then see this later in the day. Hey GOP'rs you don't know SQUAT about women and you're definitely driving more and more to the polls to vote for Obama.

If you don't drink, the GOP party may just drive you to do so!!!

4 more for 44!

no joe - Don't bother talking to me about the life of the mother- I have a thirty year old son I was told to abort- because neither he nor I would survive the pregnancy.

Well, obviously - because if you had DIED you wouldn't be able to come on here and tell us all what a lousy decision you made, now would you?

brianb - I say the baby has lost it's right to life through the liberals insistence in defending such a horrible act as legalized murder.

How many of those precious babies have you saved from a life of foster homes? How many are tossed out to fend for themselves every day because they hit the magic age of 18? Why are they so precious only until the moment they're born?

If abortion is so good, why aren't women having 'Abortion Parties" after?

What part of PRO-CHOICE do you not comprehend?

If it was a "good" choice as you say, it would be called PRO-ABORTION!

The choice is between, a woman, her doctor & her higher being, I realize, not being able to control our reproductive rights renders you'll impotent...

Sorry, but it's just not my problem!

Liberals, the compassionate ones... until it comes to abortion...

I wouldn't go there if I were you, which I'm not and am glad. You see, you guys have no problems sending our military on jaunts all over the planet where innocent children are killed and/or maimed beyond recognition by the tens of thousands. NO outpouring of sympathy comes out of your mouths on that. Only, war is hell, caught in a crossfire, collateral damage, yada yada yada. So don't play the sympathy card now.

Mike ...

If most abortions weren't being done as birth control

WTH???? You seriously think women take having an abortion "lightly" and they want to party afterwards????? It's a gut-wrenching decision that they have to make and I for one as a born-again Christian, progressive, liberal democrat know quite a few women who have made that choice and guess what ... IT WAS THEIR CHOICE! Not one of them felt it was party-worthy. Go crawl back under your rock. I so hope you have NOT reproduced!

Feisty,

The choice is between, a woman, her doctor & her higher being, I realize, not being able to control our reproductive rights renders you'll impotent...

EXACTLY!!!!!

brianb - So I guess the answer is "0", right? You'll scream your head off for all those babies to be born, but you wash your hands of all "responsibility" the moment afterwards.

why don't you ask those people that act irresponsibly what they are doing to prevent a murder of an unwanted baby.

You mean like all those girls who got "illegitimately" raped? ('cause of course if they were "legitimately raped" they wouldn't have gotten pregnant) Let's go ask them together, shall we?

EXACTLY!!!!!

Layton,

Nothing enrages me more than the party of pale, male & stale dictating to me & my daughter what my reproductive rights are!

Then you have someone like impotent little Brian B who preaches from the roof-tops small government & personal responsibility!

Give it a effin rest...

You're making asses out of yourselves!

PS: Anyone know where our resident nut job from NJ scurried off to? Come on Donna, pull up your Depends and be a big girl for once in your miserable existence!

How do you know I don't have a problem with sending our military on jaunts all over the planet?

Why the HELL can YOU not stay on topic for once? You suck worse at the fancy prancing than the glue mare owned by the pampered princess!

Brianb and NoJo sticking up for that scumbag Akin...doesn't surprise me one bit...it sickens me, but I'm not surprised.

No Jo: The question was about women that did get pregnant after rape not the chances of it happening. If I type slower will you begin to understand?

Well Brian, we Liberals have a pretty good welfare system to care for that bastard when it pops out- something you Conservatives like to call "Socialism". Also, God FORBID if it comes out gay or transgender. Your compassion seems to end in the delivery room.

OWYP - your words are rife with denigration and hatred for others. That's the same thing you accuse others of.

What part of rape don't you understand? The person being raped DOESN'T choose it! The person being raped doesn't say "Oh, let's wait a moment while I help you with this condom - ok, now let me lie back and you go ahead." Your re-invention of rape into "choosing to get screwed" and "lusting like a slut" is morally and ethically indefensible.

The party that wants to protect the unborn and cut or eliminate food stamps, medicaid and school nutrition programs. It's a shame they weren't as concerned with children outside the womb as they are those within. I guess having millions sick and starving as long as they're born is the sign of compassion.

Feisty,

No KIDDING! I can understand their political stupidness but to try and justify this??? OMG!!!

And Matthew . . .

EXCELLENT POST!!!!!!! I'd vote it up more if I could!!!!

Mike ... nice try on the back-pedal, but your words are out there and you don't know SQUAT about what goes through a woman's mind when she is making that decision. So CORK it already!

What a joke these republicans have become. Wasted more blood and treasure the last decade than fathomable. Not to mention our precious time. UNBELIEVABLE. Not an honorable bone in their collective bodies. Obviously. Without a doubt, the most destructive thing this country and our freedom has witnessed in decades. And the idiots call themselves americans. BS

No KIDDING! I can understand their political stupidness but to try and justify this??? OMG!!!

Layton,

If you ever want to rile up the Feisty Redhead, a good place to start would be with these freakin hypocrites!

If it were NOT for double standards, these douche-bags wouldn't have ANY!

I am in NO mood to re-litigate women's rights!

Feisty Redhead Roselle: Abortion is actually not about what you do with your body, it's about what you do with your child's body

Go sit in your church pew on Sunday morning for some much needed comfort!

Like I said, SUCKS to be you & not be in control of what I DO or don't with MY body!

As for Brian, you have to be a newbie around these parts! LMFAO@U!

Tood Akin is sick, he needs some help from 'the rapist', I mean, 'therapist.'

ahofi - I said this further down but I'll repeat the gist of it now for you.

A fetus is NOT an independent life until it is viable, therefore it is NOT a "child's body". Until it is viable it is a dependent organism with the potential for independent life. If the fetus was already an independent organism, then spontaneous miscarriages would result in viable life every time, regardless of gestation stage. That doesn't happen, it's not murder, it's not a baby.

rainman - That is the stupidest reson I ever heard for voting for somebody: 'He's impotent and doesn't have a chance of getting what he believes in passed.'

A vote for this clown is a vote for his idiotic beliefs, and you might just be surprised how much he gets passed if you put him in.

If your reasoning weren't so flawed it would be interesting to hear what "negative impacts" you think "Obamacare" has had on the good people of Missouri. Since 98% of the law doesn't take effect for two more years, and the parts that have are overwhelmingly voted "positive" in polls.

ahofi - by calling it a "child's body" you are defining it as "human." It's not a human until it is independently viable.

I could have a tick with it's head embedded in my arm and it would be a separate organism that is "dependent on me". I could have a toe fungus that is "dependent on me." Neither of those are human either.

Feisty: Once again with the ad hominem arguments.

How about this, stop with your bull@!$%# arguments on ad hominum attacks and give US a reason to believe YOUR bull@!$%#?

Are YOU up to it, little spinner... minnow?

ahofi - I completely agree that a 12 week old currently humanly gestating fetus has the dna associated with homo sapiens. So does a spontaneously miscarried 12 week old fetus. Since neither is independently viable (nor can be independently viable at 12 weeks), neither has achieved "personhood."