Nursing homes cost at least $450/day!!!!

So much for a voucher system. What a joke!

In Palm Springs Ca-6558379 -- Agreed. With diseases like Alzheimer's increasing, nursing home assistance will become even more important. To the voters under age 55 -- Do you want to take care of your parents with Alzheimer's?

The cut-off of 55 misses a lot of baby boomers who are yet to retire. We need to prepare with real solutions. Romney/Ryan's VourcherCare is not a solution, it's a cop out. They just want to pay ZERO in taxes.

Does the Wisconsin Undertaker really want to induce public mass vomiting? Give us a break. His mother will never have to worry about the costs of insurance or long-term care. Her son's another lying, sleazy hog at the Washington big-money trough. He's set for life. Even if he's driven from Congress (we should be so lucky), his corporate pals will take care of him, and who knows, maybe he'll score his own screamfest on Fox.

So Ryan is going to hide behind mom now and throw around lies so mommy can protect him. :D ROFL classic Republican dodging tactic. :)

Ryan: "Thanks for helping me sell this giant pile of manure on the road Mom"

Ryan's Mom: "Your welcome son."

Ryan: "Now go with these nice young men. They're going to play you some Beethoven and turn you into crackers"

Ryan's Mom: "But,....but,....but....."

Ryan: "It's for the best Mom"

Ryan's Mom: "But,....but,....but....."

Before the R/R talks about privatizing Medicare into a coupon you take to an insurance company for your health care, I have a question.
Mr Romney,
You turned 65 yrs old earlier this year.
Are you on Medicare? Or did you take a waiver?
If you are taking Medicare, do you have a Advantage plan, medigag, or a heath savings account to pay for your expenses beyond the medicare coverage.
Your wife is 63. I assume your wife has heath insurance under the Romnycare law in MA.
Or does making $57.000 a day get you the opt out of this whole health care discussion?
You just pay as you go.
I as a middle class person would really like to know before you tell me how you are going to repeal the ACA and privatize Medicare for future generations.

Well Ryan's mom does add more weight to the campaign. No really it does. :)

He didn't spend $h!t on defense for 8 years.

That's pure BS and did you forget about the Yugoslav Wars?

Another republican candidate got his mother to lie about his position on Medicare and it worked.

Selling your mother for a few Senior votes is not the answer. What is she going to say? That her son is a fraud? Oh PLEASE!!!

Have other seniors, those that have researched the subject entirely, talk about it. The ARRP is telling seniors THAT THE RYAN PLAN IS A FRAUD.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TELLING THAT also. If I was running, my mom would surely say whatever just to make me win votes.

PAUL RYAN AND MITT ROMNEY ARE ONLY LOOKING FOR THE 1%. read the facts!!!!! A voucher prograrm will leave you to your own resources, never mid tnat the cost of insurance companies GOES UP EVERY 6 MONTHS.

Beautiful Limpballs, beautiful.

If only we Progressives could scrape these entitlement-minded repubs off our shoe.

God I get so sick of coddling these people who don't want to work.

onermailliw@Clinton had A budget surplus, but we still had a NATIONAL DEBT. It's not like we had extra money laying around.

Hey Slingblade -

Is how you justify the destruction of our economy by the RWNJ Republicans for 2000-2008? You are a complete maroon. However, you make laugh......

O&Joe 2012

@NorthstarDFL - This YouTube I think answers your questions. No surprises really...

The YouTube video is of Representative Rob Woodall of Georgia's 7th congressional district. He is a member of the Republican Party. Prior to being elected to congress, he was the Chief of Staff to U.S. Congressman John Linder.

The video was recorded at a recent town hall meeting where the subject was Medicare. I posted this on another thread but I think it's more to the point here.

www (dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Nmo6Eoajd_8&NR=1

A re-post since the above was collapsed:

I'm still waiting to hear how that event really went.

Was it the old Rick Scott pulling a Kim Jong Il and busing in children to chant his name? The old Rick Scott going through the crowd and throwing out anyone with a pro-Obama sign? Yes, there are Democrats in that community, and they have been asked to leave in the past. As if it isn't bad enough Paul Ryan and other Republicans who voted for VoucherCare are hiding behind their mother's skirts now.

Puleeze, even the Republican seniors know Democrats are the ones who protect Social Security and Medicare. And no one trusts Romney or Ryan, both of whom have a record of flip-flopping and lying, both of whom can't even come clean and release more tax returns.

History repeats itself. This is like Goldwater/Miller, or Dubya trying to privatize Social Security with a cut-off age of 55, or even McCain/Palin -- All went too far to the crazy Right, or what Newt called rightwing social engineering and they FAILED.

The FACT is Romney/Ryan not only want VoucherCare instead of Medicare, they want to repeal the Affordable Care Act and the Medicare benefits and regulations in ACA, as well as huge cuts in Medicaid that seniors rely on for nursing home assistance and hospice care. They want to cut CURRENT benefits as well as end Medicare as we know it in the future.

Save Social Security and Medicare -- Obama/Biden - 2012!

OBAMA IN 2012.

Ryan: "Oh ye mighty Turd Blossom, please show me the path to election victory"

Karl Rove:"Sure dumbell, first you gotta attack where you know you are weakest. We can't tell America you're going to screw em', rob em' blind, and take their Medicare and Social Security. Get out there among old people with some senile old biddy who's actually stupid enough to trust you.

Ryan: "You mean like my Mom?"

Karl Rove:"Freakin' Perfect!!! Parade her around and have her tell the old people how your vouchers are gonna' help em get real health care. You know. Replace a guaranteed plan with some crap shot, pie-in-the-sky, shot in the dark,........ idiot bait."

Ryan: "I'm lovin' this. And it'll give Mom sumpthin' else to do besides mow my lawn."

Karl Rove:"Riiiiiight. Then we can tell em' there's weapons of mass destruction,......ooooppps.......wait a minute,......used that one already."

Ryan: "Thank you almighty Turd Blossom"

Karl Rove:"No prob,.....now kiss my ring and get outta' here."

Enter Bush. 8 months later, 9/11 happens. Oh, where's my military? Sorely lacking. Ramp up the war machine.

And before 9/11 Bush had no interest in building up the military or anything else. He put through a huge tax cut instead of keeping revenue at the same level and paying down the debt. Then when he started spending money like crazy on wars and drug benefits, he still didn't raise revenues to pay for it all. That is why we have the debt we have now. That is why the Bush tax cuts should expire for everyone. We are the ones who ran up this debt without paying for it - we are the ones that benefited from the tax cuts - we are the ones who should be paying for it now.

The just cut spending crowd only want to cut programs that affect the people who received the least from the tax cuts and were hurt the worst by the recession. Spending cuts and tax increases are needed to address the deficit and anyone who believes that only one or the other will do it is selling snake oil.

So let's be clear, for all people 55 and younger - you well be screwed via Ryan and Romney plan and let us not forget that Ryan is 42 years old and never worked a day in his life...

RJ,

I did watch the video of Rob Woodall town hall meeting about Medicare.

This tea party guy is running on the R/R plan to privatize Medicare and repeal the ACA.

Hope the good people of Georgia see through this hypocrite.

Limpballs, don't forget about all those red states also have the highest obesity rates, highest teen pregnancy and lowest teeth to IQ ratio.

People 55 yrs old and younger are invincible and will never need Medicare......they think.......So Romney and Ryan will fool them into thinking that a voucher will be all they need to be "independent" to choose whatever insurance company they want...........

To correct InPalmSprings @2.......I think you meant $6000/yr (after accounting for part paid by voucher) rather than per month......Speak from experience there as when on COBRA I had to pay $1000/mo. without a voucher so getting insurance will cost at least that much for senior when they are lucky enough to "choose?" Ryan's plan..........must be nice for these millionairres to come up with these great plans for the "rest of us"

So let's be clear, for all people 55 and younger - you well be screwed via Ryan and Romney plan and let us not forget that Ryan is 42 years old and never worked a day in his life...

Oh...MOMMMY>>>THESE PEOPLE ARE PICKING ON ME WITH FACTS AGAINST MY LIES!!!! What the hell does Ryan think that all seniors are stupid?...What is this a Campbell soup ad? Here son have some Campbell soup it will make you a big strong football player!! If his moms says....Here is my lying son...somebody give me a bar of soap!...Then I will believe her!

Obama/Biden 2012!

Rixar...you are so right, if elected they will go after the money from the seniors above 55 yrs old. Divide and conquer like they did in Wisc.!!!! NOT THIS TIME!!!!

Rixar13.... very true, and anyone 55 and older including those already enrolled, if for one moment you think it wont affect you, it will. It is the republicans long time goal to destroy Medicare and SS that this is where this is headed. Last administration tried very had to privatized SS they didn't succeed, but they will try again, the vouchers for Medicare are also the beginning of their mendacious plan to close that out too.

Republicans do no like or want any kind of social programs and are working very hard to make all of them go away. Anyone who at anytime in their life is vulnerable for lack of funds will find there is little or nothing available to help. No programs for sick or hungry children, sick or hungry pregnant women, they want to defund Planned Parenthood, they are trying to overturn Roe v Wade and they wont help you with your child once it is born. Republicans are not supportive of public schools eventually they'll be targeted in a big way. There will be and are charter schools, run by their buddies as a business, making money for their friends who donate to their campaigns to keep them in office to keep their schools and all the other programs of their choice running.

Don't Vote Republican for any office, local, state or national. It is not in your best or your country's best interest.

Romney Adviser: It's 'Politically Unwise' To Campaign In Specifics

The Huffington Post | By Elise Foley

So far, putting Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's ticket hasn't led to any detailed plans for his top issue, the budget. That won't change, according to a Romney aide who spoke to Politico.

"The nature of running a presidential campaign is that you're communicating direction to the American people," a Romney adviser, who is not named, told Politico. "Campaigns that are about specifics, particularly in today's environment, get tripped up."

The issue of the budget, particularly taxes and cuts to entitlement programs, is a pivotal one for the election and is one both campaigns are trying to exploit. For the Romney campaign, that has meant accusing President Barack Obama of decimating Medicare by taking funds from it for his health care law, even though that is a false claim. Ryan's own budget would transform the program to make it almost unrecognizable.

Another Romney official, also unnamed, told Politico the campaign isn't scared to talk about Medicare. "We'll do it for as long as they want," the official said. "Let's do it."

That doesn't mean talking in specifics, however. Romney was vague about his budget plans during the Republican primary -- he said he would cut funding to Planned Parenthood but not much else -- and will continue to be, according to the adviser.

"What you're going to see is a campaign that has clear direction, but not a Simpson-Bowles or Ryan-budget level of detail," the adviser told Politico. "It's not only politically unwise to do that, but it's not how the voters engage in a presidential campaign."

Ryan said earlier this week that he plans to discuss tax plans, but not until after the election.

"That is something that we think we should do in the light of day, through Congress," he said Tuesday on Fox News. He then promised to "have a process for tax reform so that we do this in the front of the public. So no, the point I'm trying to say is, we want feedback from Americans about what priorities in the tax code should be kept, and what special interest loopholes we want to get rid of."

These clowns have no intention of giving details on what they plan to do if elected. They expect us to accept their "Trust Me' mantra and vote for them. Between refusing to release any further details of their income tax forms and now saying we would be tripped up if we laid out a budget plan. What fool would vote for that platform and leave their future to be possibly ruined by Republican/TP goals? We have had plenty of examples of this happening from the last administration and the next lot want us to just trust them.

I never realized until I saw this picture that Ryan's mom was Jan Brewer!

The Halloween is still 2 months away, Mitt and Ryan are already getting in the mood to scare seniors with their MediScare.

And the Seniors will defect in large numbers to scare Mitt in the ballot box. and those who scare the last scare the best.

Wow, election is only one week after the Halloween, and Mitt is really scary, habitually tricking the trick-treaters, and be hoist by their own petard.

• There once was a fellow named Paul
• Who's brain was exceeding small,
• Said Paul, "That's okay!
• We don't need brains today,
• Cuz Grover can think for us all!"

BTW: As long as we're talking about Grover Norquist, I have always wanted to know: How can so many Republicans blindly follow a man named after a Muppet?

no joe -

Does this argument make sense to anybody?:

"Medicare and Social Security might run into financial trouble years in the future! SOMETHING MUST BE DONE! (we are going to take a meat cleaver and hack them out of the federal budget)"

YAY...?

Oh- and according to Biden, he and Obama would do not a thing for Social Security- so I guess the cuts already implemented to Medicare, (if you get sick after surgery, or for any other reason need to be re-admitted to the hospital, tough luck), will stay in place.

There's a plan. Just ignore it, and perhaps the Social Security fairy will show up to fix it with a wave other magic wand.

Ryan's plan for Medicare: The LIES vs. TRUTH

Ryan Lie number 1) No person over 55 will have their Medicare effected.

FACT- Ryan's plan will take Traditional Medicare, and privatize it. Expanding the Medicare advantage plans which were created by the Bush administration as a sweetheart deal for the Healthcare, and Prescription Drug Lobby's. They Bilked the American tax payer out of almost $2 trillion dollars, until Obama changed the rules, and made it where Insurance companies had to provide coverage, at a nominal percentage of profit.

Ryan Lie 2) He will fix Medicare.

FACT- His plan dismantles Medicare, keeping money paid into it by tax payers, and instead, you receive a discount coupon to buy a privatized plan from an insurance company

This means, your Medicare dollars became profit for a large corporation...and your healthcare coverage will be less than what it is now, have deductibles, co-pays, co insurances, and limit what Doctors you can see, and what procedures are available.

**********************************

Ryan's plan outsources jobs, such as billing and many technical positions to over seas countries, making it difficult to rectify any problems which may occur, and delay diagnosis, and create a knot in the healthcare system.

Ryan is not interested in what the outcome of his plan is, and Romney is on board with it...they just want to see the bottom line....like how much money they can bilk the American people out of.

Does anybody really think that having a Medicaid administration in each of 50 separate states is more efficient than having one at the federal level?

Can you add?

No, folks - all this is just one more example of the Republican strategy of "divide and conquer".

Remember when they wanted welfare divided into limited-term cash payments, work supports and childcare subsidies? Where are those work supports and childcare subsidies today?

The goal is "Take it apart and shoot it one piece at a time." I guarantee you there's a plan somewhere in Grover Norquist's office that lays it all out.

BTW: As long as we're talking about Grover Norquist, I have always wanted to know: How can so many Republicans blindly follow a man named after a Muppet?

Grover Dorkquist: "Thats NOT fair!!"

In answer to Brian's question about his 'freedom' you cannot have freedom without discipline and please Let me be the first to inform you that I really don't want to take away your freedom to get fleeced because that's all business and health insurance companies want to do to us - you included. These industries need regulation thats not necessarily socialism or Communism. Now if you want to get ripped off then vote for the Vulture/Voucher ticket but if you want a fighting chance then Obama/Biden 2012!

Brainb,

This election will be closer than 2008. Obama is still ahead in most swing states. It is all about the electoral count.

It is looking good. But the voter suppression laws and the obscene amounts of superpac money are new variables.

So I do not take anything for granted. Even here in blue MN.

So I will be campaigning for Obama and other state down ballot candidates.

"What has me puzzled is why liberals are so fired up for Obama... What exactly has he done to help this country out, remove our financial burden and make life better for all citizens..."

I voted for Obama because he is of a new generation that has a vision for America. The cold war was over, the neocons of Bush era got us into two unfunded wars and want to be policeman of the world.

On the home front, the trickle down theory of growing the economy, less regulation over finical institutions and Wall street, helped create the great Recession that imploded on our lives in Sept 2008.

Obama also ran on reforming the heath care system that left millions of people uninsured and tied employees to take whatever their employers wanted in heath insurance benefits. Heath care costs were drowning many families.

In his first term he did pass the ACA, which I applaud. He is willing to work with Congress in spite of it being controlled by the party of NO ,Norquist and McConnell. Their one and only goal is to make Obama a one term president. Congress has totally become a institution that cannot function. Just look at their sequestration vote and now complaining after one year of doing nothing. Obama has nothing to do with the the failure of Congress.

When one takes on the entrenched interests decades in the making, change comes in keeping to the new course and slowly moving forward.

That is why I am voting to reelect Obama/Biden for a second term.

Brian, have a nice weekend,

and be sure to know the new requirements in Florida to vote.:)

I believe every citizen has a right to vote in November and I mean everyone.

Do Romney and Ryan think we're all imbeciles?

Telling us what a "wonderful job" the private sector will do providing Medicare and Medicaid for us?

And back we'll go to pre-existing condition exclusions, lifetime payment caps, insurance company death panels who decide what's paid and what's not.

Ah, yes, the free market of healthcare did so much for all of us - we just can't wait to go backwards!

So many lies here or misrepresentation I do not know where to start. Some of you are claiming Grandma will have to pay $6k a month more. Or that Medicare will not pay for nursing homes. It currently only pays for a while as in for rehab or short stays after that until it is said you are no longer improving. Then you are on your own. Been there, done that with parents and a 91 year old aunt. She spent $300,000 of her money until it ran out. Then she qualified for Medicaid as many oldsters who are in nursing homes. No recalculation of Ryan's plan has been done after he included traditional Medicare as a choice.

Brianb: want to live under socialist/communistic rule

Communistic? Is that a real word? Bwahahaha. I don't think this guy has ever been consciously funny in his life.

God I get so sick of coddling these people who don't want to work.

Because I have been WORKING ALL MY LIFE, AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS taken MONEY OF MY PAYCHECK FOR MANY YEARS, PUTTING IT IN AN ACCOUNT FOR ME WHEN I GET OLD.

Because the Government has also taken money for my Social Security. BEFORE YOU START THROWING STUPID BS, READ THE FACTS.

I WANT MY money back, IF THE GOP IS GOING TO TELL ME TO GO TO H***L WHEN I GET OLD, and that I have to pay for my own medical expenses. AFTER ALL, THEY TOOK THAT MONEY. They did not ask if I wanted to give it or not.

@Soldan

The dot com bust was 'nothing' compared to the bush inspired housing bubble and that was brought about by Alan Greenspan a Ayn Rand devotee and republican who raised interest rates to 'slow down' the economy because on he and he alone felt it was 'overheating' but his hidden agenda was to destroy the economy to let his boy bush win the election.

And when Bush won he had plenty of surplus... So your analsys of the situation is false.

A campaign based on lies will not win the Presidency. Ryan repeating that Medicare doublespeak about President Obama makes people angry. The information age prevents politicians from getting away with campaign lies. They are too easy to fact check now.

Obama/Biden 2012

@Doc s

Then you are in for a rude awakening.

@lulu

I too had to support my parents and their money was drained but that was BEFORE ACA so you've got it all wrong. If you want to get ripped off then go ahead vote for the Vulture/Voucher Ticket by all means but if you want a fighting chance then Obama/Biden 2012!

I wo nder if R/R realized they were amongst the largest number of HIV+ people in FLORID A.. and the biggest laugh is they are married BISEXUAL republicans.. mmmmmmmmmmmmmm might be a problem for florida as those hiv+ folks will need every bit of help they can get in the future.. the meds the personal care and other treatments will cost far more than $6,000.00 a month.. the number of POZ people in the villages is larger than those from MIAMI or FT> LAUDERDALE now isn't that interesting

facts obtained aids networks in the state of florida

You think HIV is a political issue?

You are not, exactly, mainstream.

HIV is, (thank God, and research), now a chronic condition- not a death sentence. You think it's some kind of "judgement"? Kindly explain why babies are born with it. What have they done to be judged?

I thought the civilized world was rid of people with attitude's like yours. . .

I'm truly sorry I was wrong.

DOC S.. do you have proof that Ryan treats his mother that well, I think not.. what is your proof on Obama's family , I'd like to see chapter and verse on that one.. next if you google the PRESIDENTS taxes you will see you are wrong, but then again MITTENS has millions overseas in non taxable account, but you are right that's ok.. and last but not least I believe you should be arrested and imprisioned for your statements about all that ammo, cause I am certain you are correct....LMAO

I'm 62 and supposedly safe from those vampires for now, but I have younger brothers who are not safe from them. I want the same for all of my family that I have.

O&Joe in2012!

Well, I want. Mansion and a yacht- so what?

Both programs are going broke- and Obama's answer is to cut compensation for hospitals- so, I suggest that, once you are on Medicare, you not need to be hospitalized- and to cut the amount going in to Social Security.

That makes sense.

no joe no blo nj

HIV is not a political issue unless you are attempting to take services away from people.. an my point was there is a very large number of bisexual males, and maybe their wives also, so the need for big time medical care is not to far away.. and yes I know all about aids, since I have been involved since 1983.. seems to me you have always been wrong..

Gosh, in typical TeaPublican style, BrianB completely sidestepped the question of WHY he votes GOP, instead gracing us all with this baggerish freedom blather. No one was questioning your right to vote however you want, bubba, but the WHY EVEN DO IT question still remains the bloated, disingenuous elephant in the room...

"Hey America, meet me and my mom, both of us will get health care for the rest of our lives that I will make sure you will never get. I know those of you 45 to 55 have paid your whole lives and I'm going to make sure you paid but get a coupon instead!

I like that you people think there is an account somewhere with your name on it. LMAO!

Sure! What about ALL THE money that has been taken OUT OF MY PAYCHECK ALL THESE YEARS? WHAT WOULD LOSING ALL THAT TO PAUL RYAN AND MITT ROMNEY BE FUNNY? I DON'T THINK IT IS.

Damn that guy should be ashamed of himself. Using his mother like that. That's disgusting.

Romneys original proposal offered the voucher as the only option though the current one leaves medicare clearly anything proposed by Romney now would merely be a plan and could be changed if elected. Instead of elderly people trying to figure out which plans best for them they should determine which party is.

Is the party that created both medicare and social security, the democrats more likely to defend it or the republican party which runs on a platform of drastically reducing all social spending including self funded entitlements like medicare and social security?

Many of those accusing democrats on these boards of trying to scare seniors with scare tactics claiming Romney would cut these programs on most blogs bash anyone including seniors as leeches if they don't currently pay taxes on meager income regardless of how much taxes these seniors have paid over their lifetime.

Many of those who post on here claiming it's absurd to think Romney would cut these programs state on other blogs that they support him because that's what he want's to do. At least man up and admit what your man stands for and you support him for it rather than pretend to support liberal programs that would prevent cuts to these programs.

Northstar, thanks so much for the coherent comments. I also live in Minnesota and my current congressman is John (I'll toe the righty line all day) Kline. I'm voting for Obermuller because I am tired of Kline's obstructionist votes. By the way, for those of you not from here DFL is for Democrats, Farmers, and Labor...all working together. OMG, what a concept!!!

I want Obama/Biden to win this year. They have been doing great things (Remember the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?) even without the "help" of the right. It was also the first piece of legislation President Obama signed into law.

Imagine what they will be able to accomplish if they get a Congress that actually debates and passes legislation, unlike the righty do nothings who are only interested in jobs, jobs, jo...abortion. How many votes have the righties cast trying to control women's vaginas? Waaaay too many. Get over Roe v. Wade. It's the law.

And folks it looks like Michelle what's her name is on her way out. We are all hoping she'll move back to Iowa. she's...well, yuk is the only word I can think of right now for that repulsive McCarthyist liar.

Our governor Dayton is the only thing here in Minnesota between us and the madness of the right. We appreciate him every time he vetos one of those crazy jobs, jobs, jo-abortion bills yet again.

And Sarah who? After her failed partial term as governor in Alaska why would anyone who lives there vote for her even for dgo catcher? I'm thinking she'd be chasing a stray dog then quit to go for a burger or shoot animals while riding in a helicoptor again...ugh.

And the right using their moms? Pitiful. It shows weakness and fear. Shame on them.

This idiot drags his mom around on his tour of lies!!!

One idiot begots another idiot!!

Obama/Biden-2012 The only hope for the middle class-Don't let the GOP take us back!!

Reading this comments , I have no doubt the libertarded are in desperation, running an smear campaign trying to scare grandma , grampa and insulting younger people because they like Ryan's idea to have a private plan. You bunch of losers the scare tactic of Chicken Little is not going to work, it work before to pass Porkimulus , big scam to provide money to pseudo capitalist. This time the scare tactic of the Neo-Socialist-Democrats are not going to work . People are not stupid Ryan plan do not change for 55 yrs. or older and younger are smart enough to look up for themselves not reading stupid comments like yours.

R&R 2012

The reason it doesn't change for people 55 and older, you ignorant troll, is that seniors VOTE, and if Mitty tried that he would get NO votes come election day.

What's worse than making your mom lie for you?...Tune in tomorrow I'm sure Ryan will surely stoop lower.

So those who are pro Romney/Ryan, aren't you even curious as to why Massachusetts is solidly in Obama's corner, and he has a pretty large lead there? If Romney and his plans are so great then why is the state he was governor of not backing him?

Also be careful what you wish for it might come true. Ryan talks a good talk, but his record shows he doesn't back what he says. He voted for the Bush tax cuts, Bush's Medicare overhaul which was unfunded. So he's a typical hypocritical politician, it's ok if my party puts us in debt but it's not ok if yours does.

BTW a recent poll in WI. that was taken by a widely known conservative paper in a very conservative area, asked would you rather have Ryan as a VP candidate, a Congressman, or neither. Neither won with 56% of the vote. I'm not sure why RCP shows WI. as a toss up state Obama only lost .2 - .4 points after the announcement of Ryan.

I hope his mom makes him eat ALL of his vegetables tonight!

Interesting that Mama is with Lying Ryan. I assume she knows if the Republican plan for Social Security and Medicare were put in place and she was means tested, she wouldn't be on Medicare. Mitt Romney is 65. Did he get his letter from Social Security that he is eligible for Medicare or is he refusing it since he is so filthy rich?

Since we're discussing health care, do you remember this?

Pretzel Chokes, Fells President Bush

By STEPHEN M. SILVERMAN. 01/14/2002

President George W. Bush set off a White House scare on Sunday when he fell off a sofa after passing out briefly from having choked on a pretzel while watching a National Football League playoff game on TV, White House physician Dr. Richard Tubb told the Associated Press.

Now, think about this:

Dick Cheney could have been President of the United States in January 2002!

Scary thought, eh!

Now, think about THIS!

Mitt Romney wants to be President of the United States, and Paul Ryan as his Vice President.

• SEND PRETZELS TO ROMNEY / RYAN TODAY!!!

Doc S -- "Remember the SS lockbox. What happened to SS?"

Um, the SS lockbox was Al Gore's silly sounding but very wise idea. It was never implemented, on account of the election being stolen from him in Florida. George W. Bush then tried to privatize SS, saying it would be better for everyone to invest retirement savings in the stock market. Thank God that he didn't succeed at that because we all know how the market crashed on his watch. Imagine driving to work when all the people you see on the corners holding cardboard signs asking for help were old and frail people, in dire need of help. What would you do?

Oh wait, let me guess: You would turn up the radio and stare straight ahead, pretending not to notice.

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

The reason it doesn't change for people 55 and older, you ignorant troll, is that seniors VOTE, and if Mitty tried that he would get NO votes come election day.

As already pointed out in another post above, the divide and conquer crap is how Scott Walker saved his arse. Walker told the cops and firefighters, who tend to vote Republican, that they were safe. Just the "other people" had to tighten their belts.

Any senior who believes they are safe, or is willing to throw their children aged 55 or younger under the bus, or who think those children will then feel any sympathy for them when their Medicaid assistance for a nursing home or hospice is gone, needs to think again. Vouchercare is just the first step in the Republican plan to destroy Medicare, and next will be Social Security.

COinFL -- Correct. Dubya tried to privatize Social Security with the cut-off age of 50. Republicans will NEVER stop trying to destroy these programs. The Democrats have always protected these programs.

Save Social Security and Medicare -- Obama/Biden - 2012!

So now, suddenly, Mr. Ryan is parading around his 78-year-old mother to shill for his campaign in the state with the highest concentration of voters over 65 in the country, when we haven't seen her mentioned anywhere before.
Nice family values there!

Fact about Medicare:

FACT: Health care reform (Affordable Care Act) strengthens Medicare benefits, including lower premiums, free preventive care, and cheaper prescription drugs.

FACT: Health care reform already saved Medicare recipients nearly $4 billion on prescription drugs.

FACT: President Obama’s health care law already saving seniors money through lower premiums and free preventive services like cancer screenings, .

FACT: Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) saves Medicare more than $716 billion by cutting waste and insurance company subsidies, and extends Medicare life by 8 years.

FACT: Romney and Ryan would give $150 billion in subsidies back to insurance companies and, amazingly, undo progress to cut out Medicare fraud and abuse.

FACT: Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan’s plan to repeal Obamacare would raise Medicare premiums and prescription drug costs for seniors at least 50% more.

FACT: Romney and Ryan would turn Medicare into a voucher system, raising seniors’ health care costs while giving tax cuts to millionaires & billionaires, and bankrupt Medicare program in 4 years.

FACT: The Romney-Ryan voucher plan for Medicare could raise seniors’ health care costs by $6,400 a year per CBO analyst.

check out Medicare fact link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QQxGEQm6Qo&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJb6tA1cXT0&feature=g-all-u

Well at least he has one senior and woman who will vote for him, but a mother has to love you. Doubt there's another woman or senior stupid enough to vote for Romney/Ryan unles they're filthy rich and hate other women.

@lulu

ACA pays for everything and that includes the 'assited living facilty' you really have to get your newsource from somewhere else. Really your arguments are always 'false'

Ethelouise.

Try this. If you understand what SCOTUS ruled, you will understand that the expanded Medicaid situation was ruled to be not really extended. And it is Medicaid that would deal with this. The ACA never addressed assisted living directly. Do you have a clue about how much that would cost? Here is a states interpretation prior to the SCOTUS ruling.
www.cga.ct.gov/2011/rpt/2011-R-0108.htm

Clinton had A budget surplus, but we still had a NATIONAL DEBT. It's not like we had extra money laying around.

You go tell that to your homeboy Dubya and all of this lying crooked friends who obviously weren't worried about a national debt when they took advantage of the anger from 9/11 to coax the country into TWO wars that had NOTHING to do with capturing the murderer of 3000+ people using money to fund it from a.......what was it you called it........oh yeah A NATIONAL DEBT!!!!

Now Obama's in office an all of a sudden you CONservatives care about the national debt. GTFO with that crap.

F'U paul ryan and your mom too...your family are millionaires and are also collecting social security and medicare combined...your family is part of what the problem is...the system was developed for seniors that can't afford health care or health insurance, not to game the system and get free medical and social security payments when you absolutley don't need it to survive....start means testing these programs so it's there for people who really need it and not closet millionaires like your family!!

ROMNEY + RYAN = LYING MULTI-MILLIONARIES not for all of "we the people", but only for their own!!

Ryan: "Oh ye mighty Turd Blossom, please show me the path to election victory"

Karl Rove:"Sure dumbell, first you gotta attack where you know you are weakest. We can't tell America you're going to screw em', rob em' blind, and take their Medicare and Social Security. Get out there among old people with some senile old biddy who's actually stupid enough to trust you.

Ryan: "You mean like my Mom?"

Karl Rove:"Freakin' Perfect!!! Parade her around and have her tell the old people how your vouchers are gonna' help em get real health care. You know. Replace a guaranteed plan with some crap shot, pie-in-the-sky, shot in the dark,........ idiot bait."

Ryan: "I'm lovin' this. And it'll give Mom sumpthin' else to do besides mow my lawn."

Karl Rove:"Riiiiiight. Then we can tell em' there's weapons of mass destruction,......ooooppps.......wait a minute,......used that one already."

Ryan: "Thank you almighty Turd Blossom"

Karl Rove:"No prob,.....now kiss my ring and get outta' here."

LMFAO!! LMFAO!!!

Overall student debt spiked 148 percent to $902 billion between early 2005 and early 2012, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The average student loan borrower under age 30 owes a record $20,835 in student loan debt, according to the New York Fed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/student-loans-economic-recovery-cfpb_n_1701641.html

So, what happens when government stepped in and offered students financial aid (vouchers)? Financial aid wasn't enough to cover all the school bills and the costs skyrocketed.

Its not rocket science. Offer vouchers and everything will just go up. You don't have the big government negotiating good prices for you anymore. You will be paying more out of your own pocket.

Ryan to his mom: “Don’t worry mom just tell the people your son would never hurt old people and as far as your health care you’ll be just fine because the Koch brothers are paying me lots of money to destroy Medicare so we won’t have a care in the world.”

Ryan is just another Republican pig willing to sacrifice the lives of millions of Americans so he can please his rich masters. These greedy @*^holes can't wait to get their hands on the Social Security trust fund and Medicare trust fund and privatize them. I guarantee you if they do within thirty days at least 25% of OUR money would just disappear into the black hole called Wall Street. BTW that's over one TRILLION dollars.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Come November, any average American that votes for ANY Republican is cutting their own throat. The Republican Party is a criminal organization.

Lush Limpballs

Right on!

As a parent with a child the same age I would be embarrassed it my son were making these wild plans to reward the rich and penalize the poor and middle class!

Repeated for emphasis

Brianb-999431

I love it. Romney has the following on Obama: Worst economic recovery ever

Success is measured from where you start. He was handed the worst economy ever. This was as close to a setup as you can get. A collapsing economy losing revenue at a $500 Billion a year clip, unstoppable unfunded spending topping $500 Billion, tax cuts at the top that DISCOURAGES reinvestment and ENCOURAGES massive executive paydays, and totally raped and dysfunctional IRS and regulatory agencies. Willard would have just sold it off for parts.

$5,3 Trillion in new debt

New debt from old obligations... already told you where THEY came from.

cutting $716 Billion from Medicare

Shows just how lame your accusation really is. Half a brain would tell you that targeted savings from Medicare (Obama's plan) is much more viable and more of a solution that simply capping the governments involvement like Ryan does. Ryan's plan is not new and is just a rehash of what corporations did to disconnect themselves from health care costs. Capping Medicare costs with a voucher scheme does EVERYTHING to end the federal government's problem while doing NOTHING to help health care costs or the cost to the elderly.

record spending

Success, again, is measured from where you start. Obama's spending increases are the lowest of any president since and including Reagan. The only new spending that has been done has been aimed at support of the economy victims, stimulus, and fixing the dysfunction left us by Bush.

GM losses

He kept it alive while Willard would have dismantled it. Ford even supported saving GM because we would have lost the total auto industry and all it's suppliers. But the federal government did not take it over. It doesn't run it.

downgrade of credit rating

Wow! Laying that one on Obama is a complete historic rewrite. This one's owned by the Tea Party.

1.5% GDP

and the GOP helped... how?

Iranian Nukes

Still open... they have no nukes (yet) and we're not in another war... beats GOP every time.

highest poverty rate in US history

Effects of the economic collapse. Willard's numbers would be no better... maybe even higher. Willard supports lower taxes for the rich, which is a job killing proposition. Low taxes at the top ENCOURAGES huge CEO paydays, which not only removes money from our economy and from businesses, but DISCOURAGES job creation and business reinvestment. And exactly what do you think is driving the gap between the rich and the middle class net worth? And how do you think the rich got richer during this recession while the middle class lost 40% of their net worth?

Obamacare....

Addressing the number one thing that makes people poor and keeps them there really shouldn't be demonized... except if you're simply just trying to "make him fail".

We've got much more than just "taxes" on Willard. His economic platform is a farce, his cuts are draconian, and his Vice President is Darwinian... unfortunately we don't know what Willard is... he's kinda hard to pin down on "things".

Mom sells out America for Dirtbag son, undoing Medicare will backfire on Momoney & Ryrand !!!

@lulu

Despite the name calling I happen to know for a fact. I have helped a friend who has had a series of stroke's since 2006 and this is in the here and now, this woman pays nothing, nothing out of pocket for her health care and she lives in an assisted living facility she labors under the delusion that she is still on her husband's pension, when in fact she is on medicare. She is a registered republican and always votes against her self admitted best interests because she thinks she does not live off anybodies tax dollars!

I have never told this woman any different because I cherish our friendship. But I do not believe the Whoppers you insist upon telling on this board because none of what you speak of has been my experience therefore I am compelled to believe your making this stuff up just to win the argument but for heavens sake if you vote republican you will be done for, I just wish you were bright enough to realise that.

I believe every citizen has a right to vote in November and I mean everyone.

NorthstarDFL -- Melissa Harris Perry snapped me out of it on this one. Rightwingers keep saying everyone agrees we need to make sure voting is not fraudulent, and she said NO everyone does NOT agree. This is propaganda and this is voter suppression, period.

Republicans want to keep voter turn-out low. Muddying the waters with lies also causes not only confusion but also apathy, which causes folks to stay home. Republicans are so desperate they are undermining our unconstitutional democracy at the most fundamental levels.

Aside from Romney and The Boy Who Cried Wolf about paying his taxes, we have Little Red Ridinghood -- Watch out, it's a wolf in disguise, and that wolf ate your grandmother and now he's coming after you!

Thurston Howell III / Eddie Munster 2012!!

Perfect roadkill,....perfect,...HAHAHAHAHAHA!

You're killin' me man!!! Bwahahaha

The Ryan Plan calls for you to give all the money that you paid all your life in social Security and Medicaid to the 1%, and subsidies for BIG OIL.

Are you going to give them your money, while you decide if you can buy medicines or food? Do you think that Mitt ROmney and his wife are going to come to your rescue?

Thurston Howell III / Eddie Munster 2012!!

Roadkill -

You forgot Sarah "The Wasilla Hillbilly" Palin as Secretary of State..YOU BETCHA BY GOLLY!!!!!

"Oy, my son may be not a very honest person, but he is still a very nice boy. I'm his mother and I should know. I just wish he do something important like be a doctor and make his mother real proud. Yes?"

I will be one of those voucher people and so is my husband. I have been working since the age of 13. My husband works as well. We are not looking for free money, just what is ours. Under this plan, using today's costs, since we don't know what the economy will look like in 10 years, we will lose about $5000 or more a year, and that is on the cheap side. That assumes we pay around $1500 a month, or $18,000 a year. The vouchers at $6500 a person, will only cover $13,000. Over 10 years that would be $50,000. I am not including deductables or co-pays. I am also helping an ill brother in law (MS) with food, and a recentlly divorced brother with his food bills. I have an 80 year old mother who is in great health now, but I may have to help her in the future. I also have a second child in college that I help to pay for. Romney and Paul may help my mother, so they can get her vote, (which they won't get), but they obviously don't want my vote, my husband's vote, or my kids votes.

pibs,

I am sure your 80 year old mother can see through this scam.

Just point out her family facts.

Singlepay @2.1:

Your comment that nursing homes charge $450/day is not correct. Regardless, Medicare does NOT pay for "custodial care" in nursing homes.....it will only pay for "skilled care" and that is defined very, very narrowly so in most cases with a parent etc. you are on the hook for the full amount...........that is why many people who can afford it buy Long Term Care policies (to pay for the nursing home care that Medicare will not pay for).

We found this out with our father who died while still needing skilled care........but if he had lingered we would have had to pay for his stay in the nursing home when he was in need of only daily needs of living (as they define custodial care). Nursing home costs vary around the country and can easily be $80-150/day depending on the facility and location.

Re:

'Thurston Howell III / Eddie Munster 2012!!

Roadkill -

You forgot Sarah "The Wasilla Hillbilly" Palin as Secretary of State..YOU BETCHA BY GOLLY..'

Don't forget these....

Bachmann for Special Attorney on LGBT issues, Santorum for Birth Control Tsar, Ricky-Bobby Perry for Commerce, and Newt for Obesity Tsar

OBXRon:

Nursing home costs vary around the country and can easily be $80-150/day depending on the facility and location.

Or there's my 89 year old mother's case. She's dependent upon using a walker and pays $93.00 per day for Basic Assisted Living [three meals per day and bi-weekly apartment cleaning]. When she fell and broke her elbow, the surgery to replace her elbow was done as an out-patient. No 3-day stay in a hospital, therefore medicare would not pay for her to be in rehab in a nursing facility. [Just try dressing, toileting, etc. without the use of your dominant arm.] SO, in addition to paying $93.00 per day to keep her apartment, she had to pay $270.00 per day for being in rehab/nursing care [$10,890.00 for 30 days]. Thankfully, as Children of the Great Depression, she and my late father lived within their middle class means [rather frugally, really] and saved for their old age so they wouldn't be a burden to either their children or society.

The serious condition to now consider is, how will Liberal Progressive function in a new world governed by the Ayn Rand/John Birch Society. They have done everything to win and will most likely win big this November. The GOP may now control both Houses of Congress, the Presidency, majority control of State Governments and the Supreme Court in their back pocket.

They have already signaled that Roe v Wade is overturned. Bill O'Riley on Fack News already said the Civil Rights Act is the cause by Black people has low marriage and high prison rates. With such a swipe of this mindset we now see every progressive accomplishment from ACA thru to everything New Deal is now up for redaction. This is a group whose goal is to demolish the EPA, The Department of Education and get this;

The NRA will become a Federal Goverment Agency.

• "Say the secret word and win $100."

...

and the Secret Word for today is….

ROMBALONEY!

Pigs will be Pigs, the Moron drags his BirthBagger down the toilet with Romoney, my son can do no wrong. If my Boy killed the Middle Class - My son can do no wrong. If my son killed babys & old Lady's in the street for the Kocheads, My son can do no Wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If that comment is indicative of the average Obama supporter's mindset, then God help us all.

gray complexion and huge widow's peak make him look like some baleful predator.

He is a predator. The WORST kind. Telling seniors not to worry, the wolf on sheep's skin. HE is selling his OWN MOTHER to get votes. Do you really think that he is going to look after seniors?

He is a vampire, witing to suck the blood of Americans.

The republican ticket this year is about as exciting and inspiring as a pile of feces. The sad thing is many americans will give them their vote and get absolutely nothing in return, because they want president Obama to lose so badly.

These people propose nothing to solve the healthcare crisis. Vouchers to pay for healthcare ? Is this a joke ?

Funny how a lot of americans don't mind the govnt taking charge of something as costly and detrimental to our finances as unneeded foreign wars, but overseeing healthcare like in other civilized nations ? Oh no ! that's socialism, right ? right...

A political parody song by Bruce-1628250, to the tune of Thumbalina

• Rombaloney

• Romboloney Romboloney
• Romboloney dance
• We all know you're lyin'
• By the fire on your pants

• Romboloney Romboloney
• You've got so much to Hide
• Keep your taxes hidden
• But we still know that you lied

• Romboloney Romboloney
• You can stop your cryin
• Sorry but it's way too late
• You're stuck with Sarah Ryan

• Romboloney Romboloney
• It's such a poly-drama
• You're gonna get your butt kicked
• By President Obama

• You're gonna get your butt kicked
• By President Obama

lol.

RyRand is the voice of the Devil, "Catholicism" At it's Best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just cause she's old doesn't mean she's wise. Oh, yeah, she raised Ryan! She must be a dope.

I guess Ryan thinks that hiding behind his mommy will make his lies believable and maybe get us mean, nasty Libs to quit picking on him.

Not so much.

He's copied Sarah, only he brought his special needs mom instead of a special child.

Paul Ryan is a male version of Sarah Palin, just more arrogant -if that ever was possible- He is telling seniors that he will turn Medicaid into VOUCHERS. Many seniors will see the s***t hit the fan if they vote for this predator.

HE IS JUST AS CARING AS YOUR GOVERNOR, BUT WORST.

Paul Ryan is a male version of Sarah Palin

Really? Who was it that made it impossible for Obama to dump Biden by saying Obama should?

where is obama's sister or brother. living in some cheap dive And what about his grand mother where was she residing before she died. not down in Fl in some retirement community with the help of her son paying expensives. And obama with 4,5 mil. You might call ryan a blood sucker, but I will call obama a first rate sleeze.

Obama has a sister who is a teacher. He knows what it is to come from nothing and become something. The things he's doing for America is not because he needs them. If he and his family left the WH tonight, they will have health care, a decent retirement, children attending the best schools (which was the case before he became President). The average American has to truly ask themselves, who cares for the working class and who cares for the 1%? If you have half a brain, it's truly a "NO BRAINER."

• There was a young fella named Ryan
• Who caught his co-candidate sighin'
• He asked, "Some bad news?"
• "Yah, we're gonna lose!"
• Said Mitt Romney as he began cryin'

Ayn Rand is Ryan's Hero !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Better than Marx and Mao, Obama's heros.

• There was a young fella named Ryan,
• Who caught his pal Willard a lyin',
• Mitt says, "Here's my plan,
• To get all that I can,
• When I'm dead I know I'll be a fryin'!"

Ryan's Mom looks a little like Ayn Rand !!!!!!!!!!!

Rudy Giuliani is another follower of Rand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shameful and Sad that Monster Paul Ryan has to hide behind his mother on stage. He seems so afraid to stand on the stage alone and face the Seniors who's medicare he will destroy.

Shameful still is that his Mother would turn traitor and support a man that will destroy Medicare for Everyone not just those under 55.

In 2012 vote for President Obama he works very hard for seniors and defends us from monsters like Monster Paul Ryan.

And thats my opinion

Ya see Folks,

That’s what happens when you Mix da Republican Kool Aid with da TeaBilly Juice……it makes ya sick to ya Stomach.....just ask Brianb-999431.

You BetCha.....Fer Sure.

You're excused. Now stay in the bathroom.

jstdafacts,

Great information on your part. It's amazing that these tea bag republicans vote against their own interest? It's like chickens that support KFC.

Is Romney the only one getting large donations, I think not. That is what politicians do; ALL OF THEM. And honestly you don’t know the reasoning behind any one so stop the nonsense, you sound uneducated and ignorant when you try to make people believe something you know nothing about….and that's a fact!!

Yer still fergittin' Sheldon Adelson ~ that Mafia-style casino operator worth billions who has pledged $100-million to defeating Obama and who has already dropped $10-million in the GOP till. Now you just have to wonder what kind of favors this hoodlum wants for that kind of an ante. I'm sure its all for "love of country" and Old Glory. (dripping with sarcasm)

Thank you for the great information, you know you hear bits and pieces about these donations but you apbsolutely highlighted what our future will look like under Romney/Ryan. It is a class watfare in this country already and anyone who doesn't think so is blind. Every large corporation is shipping more and more jobs over seas every day and we keep importing poisonous junk from China to help them build their wealth and military. Where as the trade sanction with this communist regime?

wow! really good information, I will be passing these FACTS along in social networking. The more people are informed of the truth the better off we will be. Thanks ;-)

Sounds to me like you have a major case of rich envy jstdafacts.

Telling the TRUTH is not envy. All of you are DELUSIONAL if you think that these people are really coming forward for you. KEEP DREAMING. WHEN YOU GET TO BE 64, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE $100,000 us DOLLARS FOR THE BYPASS THAT YOU WILL NEED, OR THE CANCER TREATMENT, OR anything else. I AM SURE Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan will go personally to your side and help you.

Also, you won't have ANY of the money that they have been taking from your paycheck. IT WILL ALL BE INVESTED IN WAR, AND BUSINESS LIKE DRILLING FOR OIL, ETC.

DUH. just de facts. Don't like captialism. Hummm. must be living off the obama teet. suck hard now. You have plenty of compitition with millions of others. yum-yum-ytummy.

Most of the people that are giving MILLIONS TO THE Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan CAMPAIGN have a vested interest in DESTROYING THE ENVIRONMENT. They do not believe in Global Warming, and they will turn this country into a gigantic CESSPOOL. THEY DO NOT CARE, BECAUSE WITH THE PROFITS, THEY CAN LIVE in Switzerland, or any other country that has SENSIBLE ENVIORNMENTAL LAWS.

This is the direct result of Citizens United. This is their golden Rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules.".

So much for the American experiment with democracy.

Mik....and Ann said Mittster was gold yesterday.

Hell I bet Willard doesn't pay any Federal income taxes.

The key word is Federal.

Willard didn’t say he paid 13 percent of his income in federal taxes every year for the past decade.

He said, "I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent," Romney told reporters after landing in South Carolina for a fundraising event Thursday. "I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year."

Uh ~ ~ yep. Property and school taxes on his Houston rent houses, sales taxes on all purchases, luxury taxes on certain items for faire wyfe, automobile taxes on his several vehicles, excise taxes, state income taxes, property taxes on his several homes, and maybe even some federal income taxes. When you are handling $20-million a year and have the assets Romney has, it isn't difficult to meld all of that into a 13% payment.

Jim in Texas, don't forget ballet classes for his dancing horse :)

Suzi Laughlin

Jim in Texas, don't forget ballet classes for his dancing horse :)

And a stable closet full of tutus

I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year."

If that is the truth, then he should have NO PROBLEM showing his tax returns. It is like Bill Maher said. Next time that an Olympian wins a gold medal, he/she is going to make a telephone call to the IOC, telling that she/he broke the record of Michael Phelps swimming, and WE SHOULD TAKE THE WORD FOR IT.

let obama show his school records. What? he afraid that the truth be known he is a felon. Can't be president you know. I want obama's records. PERIODS. and no excuses. None. NADA,

Doc S: Has Romney released his school records? I'll make it easy, no. No presidential candidate in history has ever released school records yet every president in recent history has released tax returns. Could your argument make any less sense? Some of Bushs were leaked illegally.

Shows how intellectually challenged some people are if they believe you can become President of the U.S. without showing a birth certificate and having an extensive background check. Maybe if these idiots leave the country and take their kids, we won't lag so far behind the rest of the world academically.

When a Republican was in office John Boehner and Mitch
McConnell voted without hesitation to pass raising the Debt ceiling even
stating that they hope this passed unanimously.

Years the Republicans voted to raise the Debt Ceiling Bush signed into law

2002 350 Billion in tax cut to big business and 450 Billion increase

2003 450 Billion in tax cuts to Big Business and 900 Billion increase

2004 600 Billion in tax Cuts to Big business and 800 Billion Increase

2006 670 Billion in Tax cuts to Bug Business and 781 Billion Increase

2007 700 Billion tax cuts for Big Business and 850 Billion Increase

2008 450 Billion tax Cuts to Big Business and

Total 3.2 Trillion to Big Business $4 Trillion Debt Ceilng
increases under Bush

Total 7.2 Trillion in the Red…..

Also fought wars off the books for entire 8 years Bush was
in office but still have to pay for it and those cost another 4.1 trillion which averaged out to 200 billion a year
for each war.

4.1Trillon wars plus the 7.2 Trillon Tax cut business tax
cuts loopholes debt = 11.3 trillon for Obama coming into the office.

Republicans voted to raise the Debt Ceiling every time it
was brought up while a republican was in office and I goggle there response
then it was Boehner and McConnell who said “there should not be any politics
come into play when it comes to a increase in our national debt we need to pass
this to continue to operate”. Also Mike
Pence of Indiana in 2002 said it as a necessity to raise the National debt.
Bush a republican was in office then but now the same Mike Pence now says he
will not vote to raise the Debt ceiling without cuts to programs in healthcare
and Medicare and all of which no cuts for defense or ending the Wars. Now
Republicans and Tea Party think it’s a Great idea to play politics while a
Democrat is in office.

Moron.

IndependantinCali, if your believe any thing that comes out of the mouth of Romney or Ryan, you are surely what you call others. And that is a FACT!

None of you clowns have spewed a fact yet

WOW..............Job1 and Jim.............what an interesting observation.

Romney must be something and maybe you have uncovered what that might be...........If we all added up "Taxes" we pay then that would include Federal + State + local/county + Sales + Personal and Property Taxes and whatever I forgot...........Then a number of 13% would look hilarious when all of us "commoners" are in the 20-30+% range.

Romney must be HIDING........etc.

If liberals got paid one dollar for every lie they told, the national debt would be gone and all of Obamas bribes to pass obamacare would be paid off. I never seen a group of people so full of hate and name calling. It is obvious you don't take the time to research and learn.

Obamas last budget proposal was defeated 97-0. Dems don't even agree with Obama, not one! He can't get one vote on his budget and you trust him to run healthcare? Are you people NUTS? Yet you whine repubs are blocking everything? How do you block a proposal that can't muster one lousy vote?

Obama and Soros want wind and solar energy, so while energy costs rise, who benefits? Not the poor and the middle class. Yet you claim Obamas for the poor and middle class, really? If so, why wouldn't he try to keep prices down? All smoke n mirrors. Obama and Soros laughing all the way to the bank at your expense.

Obama says "Stay thirsty my friends, drink up!"

If liberals got paid one dollar for every lie they told, the national debt would be gone

• I think you have liberals confused with Romney.

Just De facts. better know what the hell you talk about. Seems that the dems put a kibosh on military, SS. medicare spending when they can't get their crying little girl whaw-whaw-whaw, way. Why don't the dems as well. Because they love money even more than the Rep. "I am going to spend your money, but not touching mine FOOL"

watch CSPAN moron and learn something about your umbilicus's party

his mother is a prop for his line of (b.s.) . with the money the family has no need for health care,is he kidding me.

jstdafacts: His first name is Willard "F da Poor" Rmoney

Obama/Biden 2012

Good post jstdafacts, but as you can see, some morons have moronish come backs to it. ROFLMAO

Your self-loathing needs to stop. On second thought, don't.

Lets break this down in Simple terms. Republican TeaBilly Conservative = Self Righteous Hypocrite.

AMEN

Let me break this down in Simple terms, 44 states with increased unenjoyment last month. Bye-bye Obummer

A WAR PLANE WILL COST ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Paul Ryan wants to give that money to the military, and let you die if you need medical assistance in your old age. That is his "plan"

Go ahead and vote for him. I guess you can use LEAD in the bullets as aspirin.

Just de fact. Right to work states work just fine. no unions to join and the worker can-can keep money instead of paying union dues. and you can quite without notice. And no company can not deny you of work because of not being in a union. Tell that to union members. some northern states are going for right to work. just de factsw.

Guess what? California created more jobs in June-July than any other state.

California also pays more taxes than any other state.

United we bargain, divided we beg.

President
Barack Obama and his aides are considering a temporary cut in the Social
Security payroll tax — this time on the employers’ side. The potential new tax
break would be on top of a $111 billion cut in workers’ payroll taxes that took
effect in January.

It's a reminder that despite Republicans’ portrayal of
him as someone determined to raise taxes, Obama has a solid record as a tax
cutter since taking office.

The lame-duck deal with congressional Republicans which
he agreed to and signed into law last December cuts taxes by $374 billion this
year and by nearly $900 billion over 10 years.

And some of the provisions in that law benefit the
wealthy — like extending until the end of 2012 the low tax rates on dividends
and capital gains signed into law by George W. Bush.

1. Other political news of note

AP

Archive
of Palin emails online at msnbc.com

Updated 10
minutes ago 6/11/2011 1:06:42 AM +00:00 A
free, searchable, online archive of emails from former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
is available through msnbc.com. Bill Dedman reports.

1. Obama's
   tax cutting in face of GOP criticism
2. Palin
   vs. the GOP establishment
3. Never-Ending
   Discussion: The week in review
4. NJ:
   Rick Perry's moment to step in 2012 field?

Of course, it wasn’t Obama’s preference to extend the current income tax
rates, with a 35 percent top rate, on upper-income people. He had to agree to
do that in order to get any deal at all in December.

Video:
Pa. congressman proposes penny tax debt plan (on this page)

Other provisions in that tax deal benefit people who live
from paycheck to paycheck — for example, an increase in the size of the child
tax credit for low-income workers.

Stimulus included tax cut

The 2009 stimulus, which Republicans love to deride, was
in fact a significant tax cutting bill. There were more than $300 billion in
tax breaks, preferences, and credits in that legislation — including the Making
Work Pay Credit which was essentially a big tax cut for workers earning less
than $75,000 and couples making less than $150,000 a year.

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And even though Obama’s fiscal year 2012 budget proposal,
unveiled last February, won’t be enacted into law, it stands as an official
statement of what he wants to do: increase taxes for those making above
$250,000, and enact major tax cuts for many people below that level.

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center said in its analysis,
“Relative to current law, the entire package of (Obama FY 2012) proposals would
reduce taxes in 2013 for about three-quarters of all households and raise taxes
for about 6 percent … On average, taxes would drop an average of nearly $1,700
in 2013.”

Obama has come some distance from where he started in his
first budget blueprint in 2009, when he proposed a new $80 billion-a-year
greenhouse gas permit system that would operate like a tax. That idea died in
the Senate last year.

'Taxes have been lowered'

“In practice, taxes have been lowered during the president’s
term, and part of that has been at his behest, because the 2009 stimulus tax
cuts were something he wanted,” said Roberton Williams, a tax expert at the
nonpartisan Urban Institute in Washington.

Last December’s tax bill “was a compromise deal, but in
any case, he wanted to cut taxes below what they would have been this year, he
just would have been cutting them for 98 percent of the population, instead of
100 percent of the population,” Williams said.

Republicans, of course, will be quick to remind voters
that Obama has signed some significant tax increases, especially those
contained in last year’s health care overhaul. Most notably among them: a $210
billion increase over seven years in Medicare taxes on high-income people.

But with the exception of relatively trivial items like
the tax on indoor tanning (worth $200 million this year — practically pocket
change considering the $3.7 trillion federal budget), and small revenue raisers
like a tax on pharmaceutical firms (which will net $2 billion this year), most
increases in the overhaul will not take effect until 2013 at the earliest.

The penalty on people who choose to go without insurance
doesn’t take effect until 2014. And the tax on high-cost “Cadillac" health
plans isn’t scheduled to take effect until 2018.

Mostly — but not always — Obama has been true to his
stated belief: try to raise taxes on upper-income people and cut taxes for the
middle class and those below.

While that doesn’t fit the view of most budget hawks —
including those on the president’s own deficit reduction commission — that
almost everyone will need to pay higher taxes in order to avert a debt crisis,
it is his record.

Newday, in case you missed that reason .... "Oy, my son may be not a very honest person, but he is still a very nice boy. I'm his mother and I should know. I just wish he do something important like be a doctor and make his mother real proud. Yes?"

old Jewish joke about a son becoming President but relevant

Love it bcwc!

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/the-3-reasons-why-romney-wont-release-those-tax-returns/260068/

3 reasons suspected that Romney won’t release taxes^^

Here we go . . Some nice liberal Men who would like . . .

. . . TO STONE Ryan's nice Senior-citizen Mother and her wayward son in the street TALIBAN-style!! You great guys go get 'em

Another uninformed moron.. Most people under 55 will NOT have Medicare because the system will be bankrupt if we continue on the same course.

Medicare will not go bankrupt under the Dems and Obama. They are strengthening medicare. You right-wing liars aren't fooling us.

If the TP/GOP get elected, most people under 55 won't have jobs. America will be on its last legs. But, the rich will come through nicely by moving to foriegn countrys after looting America.

IndependantinCali. You do not know know what you are talking about. Needs reform, yes. Need vouchers, absolutely not.

Remember, (re: SS) in the 1960s we were told that Social Security would not be there for us either. I'm 73 I have Social Security. (A little off post. sorry)

Privatize anything and it is gone.

Most people under 55 will NOT have Medicare because the system will be bankrupt

So to avoid that potentiality, Romney-Ryan would just abolish it for a voucher plan. Consider this ~ you get $6,000 in coupons to go buy insurance. The policy that is affordable has a $1,000 deductible and only pays 70% on "medically necessary" charges (the carrier decides what these are, not your doctor). An overnight stay in a hospital is now about $9,500 ~ much more if you come through the ER. How's your 6-grand holding up? Now you have medicines with at best a 50% copay. But wait ~ you have arthritis, COPD, Kron's disease, need dialysis, have a history of heart diseasE ~ ~ YOU CAN'T GET COVERAGE BECAUSE OF A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION. REMEMBER, ON DAY ONE, WE REPEAL 'OBAMACARE.' Sorrrrrry, but thanks for playing anyway.

Jim in Texas,

You are so right.

Romney said he will repeal ACA as a first priority.

Then he will privitize Medicare for future generations.

Millions of uninsured will never see 65 to even get the worthless coupon in the first place !!

You are right, Medicare will not go bankrupt under Obummercare. Reason- taking 700 billion from the current medicare system and coupled with the 500 BILLION IN INCREASED TAXES, it will stay solvent. Will you pay more yes. Who gets hurt-the poor. Take a single parent making $24,000 a year working for a company with 49 or less employees. Employer doesn't have to pay for healthcare for his employees because he has less than 50 workers. Now it's up the worker. $2000 a month after taxes, rent , food, utilities, car, car insurance, clothes. Has very little left to pay for health insurance- BOOM -Pay the IRS $750 fine. So tell me, who is gonna get F-ed under Obummercare?

Problem with your thesis, Oner, is that a person in that financial condition would qualify for federal assistance in purchasing insurance coverage. And a single "parent" that didn't opt for healthcare to protect their child is not a very responsible parent. You can't invent a scenario in which coverage under ACA (Obamacare) is beyond reach of even the most indigent because at some point Medicaid would kick in ~ at least for the child. The f--king comes when there is a need for coverage and there is none. That's when you and I get to pay for it through write-offs by hospitals and doctors. They reclaim their losses through higher charges and fees passed on to those who can and will pay.

Amazing the right wing doesn't get this, Jim.

Any one want to talk about fixing Medicare?

I will even though it isn't broke. Raise the medicare tax rate from 1.45% to 1.75% and it would remain solvent beyond the baby boom generation. Obamas plan negotiates massive cuts from hospitals and drug companies because hospitals can afford to bring down rates when 75% of the people in their emergency rooms won't be non paying and drug companies because more people buying more medicine means they can charge less and make more. Obamacare alone makes Medicare solvent for 20 years.

I appreciate the discussion. I have read that one in six hospitals will not survive these cuts. Of course, some is because of poor management. I do wonder ,if true, how that will impact the wait for care.

We already have more military power than MANY NATIONS COMBINED. THE GOP WANTS TO INCREASE THE MILITARY budget. THEY WANT TO BUY MORE WEAPONS, AND THEY HAVE THE WEAPONS MANUFACTURERS GIVING BIG BUCKS to the GOP.

Mitt Romney is READY to attack IRAN. He is not sending his sons to war. He is sending YOUR CHILDREN. Do YOU KNOW THAT ONLY IN July there were 30 veteran suicides?

Tell that to Mitt Romney. See if HE CARES

Rep for billionaires:They have, found out that they are smarter thanh the stup lib. .they are going to vote for R/R because 48% in Fl and 48% in Wis. don't trust Obama, Seems that your boy kinda skipped out in Wis, knowing that walker was gonna be re-elected with a bigger margin than the last election. And you think that he is gonna help you. Hahahahahahahaha

Wis for R/R they won't forget.

Romneyhood wants to raise taxes on me and mine, give himself a big tax cut, and increase our military so he can start a war with the Soviet Union..................

That appears to be the sum total of his platform. He wouldn't even make a good used car salesman.

The right claims we can't save medicare without Romney making massive cuts then claim his plan doesn't cut anything, medicare under Romneys plan will leave the option to stay in medicare unchanged. Huh?

Seems that your boy kinda skipped out in Wis

PRESIDENT OBAMA IS NOBODY'S "BOY". Why don't you drop the racists slurs and discuss the issues as a decent person? Is that too much to ask, or you insist in showing THE REAL REASON WHY MANY OF YOU DO NOT LIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA?

Some of you do not mind calling the Repubs vulgar names. Here is the point. I voted for Obama because I bought the hope and change, he never lived up to that so I need to move on. It is NOT racist.

I
still remember seeing the idiots cheering down Health care reform with signs
"Keep your hands off my Medicare". Well Republicans have yet again
shown there rear-ends to the American public and what they think about us by
just going with a Plan to do what the people thought Democrats were going to
with the passage of Health care. What I can tell you is republicans care
nothing for any American making less then 1 million a year and the more you
make the more they care about you because they want your donations to stay in
power and that's all that matters to them bedsides giving every scrap they can
scrap from the middle class and poor and Hand deliver it to the Rich.

Where
are all those same crazy people in those crowds caring those signs about
Keeping there hands off my Medicare now? Guess they cashed there Koch checks
and are living high on the hog. If we don't make Republicans pay by voting them
out and the Tea party out we are Doomed to watch all we worked for bleed for
and paid be tricked out from underneath us. We need to Recall Republicans with
Democrat's and Independents and raise Taxes on the Rich for the first time
since 2001 When We had a Huge Surplus from the Clinton years and use the
revenue from the extra income directly to pay off the National Debt while also
making sensible reductions in Spending to encourage the economy to keep
producing jobs. As the National debt falls the Businesses and Banks can lend
money more freely like back in Clinton's time in office and we will have Jobs
all over again.

We
have Tried the Republican/Bush way with the same same rate and more cuts for
the rich the last 12 years and it doesn't Work never has. Trickle down is only
the person who makes the most taking a leak on those below. Recall the
Republicans Quit Blaming Middle Class and poor and replace those Republicans
with Democrats and independents that will reduce the spending as the President
stated without killing us in the Middle and poorer classes.

When Rush Limbaugh told the law student Sandra FLuke a whore, Mitt Romney only said: "That was a poor choice of words" and nothing else.

The man CAN'T TAKE A STAND ON ANYTHING. We can't talk about Bain Capital, we can't talk about his dumb church, we can't talk about his taxes. SO, the ONLY CONVERSATION THAT HE WANTS TO HAVE IS THE SOUND OF HIS VOICE TELLING WHATEVER THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO HEAR AT THE TIME THAT HE IS SPEAKING.

The etch a sketch conservative has said "I like to fire people" he insulted the Britts, etc. He attacks in a poisonous way President Obama, he wants to cut the school budget, and wants to turn Social Security into a BUSINESS.

THE GUY stinks.

wrong airhead. the numbers are proving that false statement. here is how it is going down Obama won the 08 election with 2mil votes, That saying, romney needs 1mil. Think he can nget them Yes. Fl, Ohio Va are in his column. All he needs is one to put him over. Wis. Mi. Min, Co. and PA. if the mainstream media doesn't say that obama won PA in an hour of their projection. It will be a reagan 1980 victory, Can obama say Bye-bye Just de facts.

Republican placing there sacred Millionaire
cash cows top 3% over the needs of an entire nation. They want to only cut
Education, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, planned parenthood, Clean air/food. Then
they want no tax on that top 3 percent the millionaire that run them completely
like lap dogs. Remember the republicans who placed there needs over your entire
nation especially when voting time comes up. Vote for the party protecting
those programs you need and rely on - Democrats in 2012...

Paul Ryan said that his mom "relays"on Medicare. And that he will "protect" it. FOOL me once, shame on you, FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME!!!

Most of those seniors that are cheering for him are going to find that the sh**t is going to hit them in the face.

Those old farts that will vote against Obama, can just say NO to those checks that they are receiving or the medical help that they are receiving, and start paying for their own care. HYPOCRITES! I HOPE THAT ONCE THEY GET THEIR VOTE THEY LAND IN THE HOSPITAL WITH THOSE SORRY A*** VOUCHERS!

IRESPOND-2315268- 17.1- "his mom 'relays' on Medicare"

Two questions I would like her to answer;

1-How much does she relay on Medicare?

2-What percentage of her "household" income is Social Security?

Probably not the seniors who live in "The Villages." There estimated individual wealth is over a million dollars on average. They can afford whatever comes their way. They would vote (R) regardless of who is running or what is being advocated by the GOP ticket. This time they will even vote for a couple of pathological liars but hey, that's okay because they are Republican. They may be confirmed liars, but they are OUR liars.

Good point, Jim. I'd like Ryan to take his show into the nursing home where my mother resides. No rich seniors there.

Why are so many of you hateful to anyone who ha managed to accumulate some bucks? You all act like hard work had nothing to do with it.

Maybe we see people trying to take out bucks for them selves when they have so many greedy. Does 2 men who's current tax rates are 14% and 15% really need a tax break?

No and in the 60 minutes interview neither Romney nor Ryan suggested such. I vote for a sort of flat tax, dump most deductions, especially the really crazy ones focused on particular industries, credits which are absurd. Even though I take the mortgage deduction, I bet renters think that should not be.

Why are so many of you hateful to anyone who ha managed to accumulate some bucks

Nobody is jealous. We don't want to be told that someone like Mitt ROmney worked hsi "butt" off to make his money, and that he is qualified to be President, because he was able to swindle Americans from their money.

He DOES NOT HAVE A PRODUCT THAT HE SELLS. You can't help but wondering how he made ALL THAT MONEY. Also, we don't want to CONTRIBUTE ANY MORE TO HIS WEALTH AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR HEALTH.

I understand venture capitalism so I understand how he made his money. Apparently you do not.

Romneyhood made his money by stripping solvent companies of their cash and saddling them with debt.

At GSS he cleaned out their pension fund to the tune of $44 Million dollars knowing that it was federally insured. That means that you got to pay that $44 million back out of your taxes. how does it feel to take it in the short and curlies lulu?

Now with GSS gone that city and county in North Carolina can't afford to dredge their harbor, meaning even more jobs are going down.

This is what we mean when we talk about tinkle upon economics.

I understand venture capitalism so I understand how he made his money. Apparently you do not.

You've seen Romneys tax returns for past years? That's the only way you'd know how he made his money. If you understand venture capitalism maybe you'd like to explain why the special 15% rate for carried interest they and hedge funds enjoy deserve it? After all 31% of Romneys income was taxed as carried interest.

Some companies can not be saved.

They acquired KB toys putting up 18 million of their own money and bringing in investors for the rest. They then borrowed 65 million on KB's assets paying it all as a special dividend only to the Bain partners including Romney. After waiting the required minimum wait time so a bankruptcy judge couldn't claw back the dividend money they declared bankruptcy citing excessive debt as the cause. 3700+ employees lost their jobs and benefits as well as suppliers who sold on credit. The Bain partners profited 47 million. Isn't capitalism great? They never bought it to save it.

I understand venture capitalism so I understand how he made his money.

Some companies can not be saved

You have these two statements. If you are so "wise" tell me how Mitt Romney NEVER LOST MONEY. THE "companies that can't be saved" had people on them. Of course, they could be saved, but Mitt Ronmney made sure that tey were not.

You have the mentality of Wall Street, and YOU ARE PART OF THE REASON WHY WE ARE IN THIS MESS. STOP THINKING ABOUT YOUR "EARNINGS", YOUR CONDO AND YOUR PORTFOLIO, AND REALIZE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ALSO NEED TO SURVIVE.

Maybe if you were smart and worked for your money, got an education instead of going to the beach, you would have an investment portfolio. But you did not. I started with zip, worked my way thru college, grad school as did my husband. Now that we have something, you want it. Go pay for your own stuff and stop coveting my stuff. We are in a mess for many reasons. And that includes those who refuse to accept responsibility for their own lives. If you did that, we could help those who really need our help. Stop making excuses for your life.

I am the reason we are in such a mess ? I I have worked my ass off. paid lots of taxes. Received little in return. You would survive better if you had gotten off your lazy ass and gone to school, get a trade, whatever. Instead you make excuses and want my money which I have saved over 40 years. I have paid lots of tax, SS and Medicare at the highest levels. You?

Irespond..... You are naive to think every company can be saved. Some products just run their course. Look at RIM. Their handsets are probably not going to help the company survive. If they work on management software, maybe. Textile industry? Not if Americans want cheaper clothes. Try to understand anything about business.

Lulu is 100% correct and I identify with her post 18.13. Don't venture capital companies and hedge funds routinely wind down companies as Larry describes for KB toys above? If Bain hadn't done it wouldn't someone else?? Perhaps even a foreign investor. Things eventually run their course for many companies, like a dying sun or star, is there some "correct" textbook way to wind them down??

IndependantinCali is an "uninformed moron" who needs a dose of their own medicine.

You can't fool us. We know that Romney and Ryan are liars and cheats and their ideas s u c k.

And yet another uninformed moron. They will not pay $6400. Read the plan instead of hasing out the parrot MSNBC talking points which are wrong.

MSNBC is history. This is NBCNEWS - try to keep up.

If you are surprised to learn that the home of the Whopper would find itself the subject of complex financial machinations, you shouldn’t be. Burger King has long been an enrichment scheme for clever financiers, who have sucked hundreds of millions of dollars out of it over the years. Maybe it will be different this time. Or maybe not.

Financial engineering has been part of the Burger King story for so long that it’s hard to believe there is still anything worth plucking from its carcass. “It’s been run as a cash cow for Wall Street,” said Bob Goldin, an executive vice president of Technomic, a food service consulting firm. Along the way it’s had 13 chief executives in 25 years, numerous strategy shifts and marketing campaigns — and has been constantly starved for cash. But, hey, the private equity guys got theirs. And isn’t that what really matters?

Enter — ta-da! — private equity. In 2002, Goldman Sachs, along with two private equity firms, TGP and ... hmmm ... Bain Capital, teamed up to buy Burger King. This is exactly the kind of situation private equity firms like to trumpet: taking over a downtrodden company and nursing it back to health. And to get them their due, Burger King’s new owners did some good, stabilizing both the company and the franchisees, many of whom were in worse shape than Burger King itself.

But the private equity investors also cut themselves an incredibly sweet deal. Their $1.5 billion purchase price included only $210 million of their own money; the rest was borrowed. They immediately began taking out tens of millions of dollars in fees. Four years later, they took Burger King public. But, first, they rewarded themselves with a $448 million dividend. In all, according to The Wall Street Journal, “the firms received $511 million in dividend, fees, expense reimbursements and interest” — while still retaining a 76 percent stake.

Does it need to be said that Burger King was soon back to its old struggling self? Or that the solution, once again, was to sell to another private equity firm? Of course not! In 2010, Bain, Goldman and TPG cashed out, selling Burger King to 3G Capital, for $3.3 billion

And yet another uninformed moron

AND yet another RUDE REPUBLICAN THAT THINKS THAT faux news IS THE NEXT BEST THING.

WHY DON'T YOU read the New York Times or read other sources? Many articles out there. Not ony Seniors will pay the 6,500 IT WILL GO UP, BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY RAKE THE PROFITS.

DON'T BE SO QUICK TO INSULT, WHEN YOU ARE THE ignorant one.

Shouting much?

Didn't you know she has to live off her social security like I do sonny boy is a wealthy selfish teapartier and won't give her a dime.

She paid into the system. She should get her benefits. Since when have we become a country where some should be the ones to pay and others think they deserve every one else's money?