Here little chickenhawks. Cheep,cheep,cheep. Isn't it time to come out and show your manhood?

Phine,

Exactly.

Ryan talking about China. He had a fiance meeting with Adelson last week. I am sure Seldon told Ryan how he made his money with the Chinese and the gambling empire he has in Macao. Wonder if they talked about Adelson being investigated by the DOJ, SEC, and the FBI about his dealings with foreign government officials.

President Obama has brought America back from the seriously chronic reputation created by the "Do as I say" Bush Administration.

Anyone who denies this is just trying to score points with folks who, like themselves, know nothing about foreign policy.

Yes, Romney has certainly helped China out in a lot of ways, some very likely more secretive than others. Must keep him up at night.

Hi ya phine! Hope you are phine!

Peace through strength. Like President Obama, taking out more of our enemies than George Bush could count. Starting with the biggest enemy of all....Osama Bin Laden

Let's see....who was President when 9/11 happened? And who ignored the warnings? Yeah, that would be the REPUBLICANS!

Vote a straight Democratic ticket to protect America.

What's that Paul Ryan said? He wants to kill Medicare? We know he has zero foreign policy, so move on...

Here little chickenhawks

There's my GF!

Hope your sipping a smooth merlot this evening! {{{HUGS}}}

If he wants to kiss up so bad to Adelson, find another way.

Don't get me started on that POS!

SHOUT OUT to JoAnne in PA for sharing this on another thread;

"LAS VEGAS — Four days after his announcement as Mitt Romney's running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan was not in Florida talking Medicare with elderly voters or in drought-ridden Iowa talking about a farm bill. He traveled to the Venetian hotel here for a meeting hosted by Sheldon Adelson, the billionaire casino mogul who has pledged to spend as much as $100 million this year to defeat President Obama.

"In keeping with Mr. Adelson's penchant for staying below the radar, Romney aides refused to say who attended the meeting with Mr. Ryan, though the location (a private room at one of Mr. Adelson's hotels) and leaks from the Romney camp left little doubt. And in keeping with laws that prohibit elected officials from explicitly asking donors for super PAC money, aides to Mr. Romney insisted before the event that the meeting was not a fund-raiser.

"It's a finance event, not a fund-raiser," an aide told reporters. Asked if people were paying to attend, he repeated, "It's a finance event, not a fund-raiser."

"The issues swirling about Mr. Adelson's business practices are not new and can hardly come as a surprise to the Romney campaign. Last year, his company, the Las Vegas Sands Corporation, announced that it was under investigation by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission for possible violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act — specifically, that it bribed Chinese officials for help in expanding its casino empire in Macau. Later, the F.B.I. became involved, and even Chinese regulators looked askance at the company's conduct, fining it $1.6 million for violating foreign exchange rules, The Times reported on Monday.'

"A careful presidential campaign would put distance between itself and a businessman like Mr. Adelson. Instead, this one is cultivating him. Mr. Romney recently met with him in Israel, and Mr. Ryan this week paid homage to him and other big donors in a private casino for high-rollers on the 36th floor of Mr. Adelson's Venetian hotel. By allowing Mr. Adelson to have such an outsize role in their race, the candidates themselves are placing a very risky bet."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/us/politics/paul-ryan-meets-sheldon-adelson-in-las-vegas.html

So phine, what is Obama's fine foreign policy?

Anything beyond treating friends like enemies and enemies like friends?

What part of "little Paulie's" statement do you disagree with ....

“This is the first responsibility of our federal government,”

Do you disagree with the Constitution?

“And one of the critical means and needs for a strong national defense is because the world needs America’s leadership.”

Don't believe in America's leadership ... that the reason you voted for and mindlessly support someone with no leadership ability, someone who can't even lead his own party enough to garner 1 vote for one of his budgets .... a guy that is the most divisive president in Gallup history?

" ..... we believe in peace through strength."

Name a war where a weaker opponent started a war with a stronger military opponent knowing that power was stronger and had the will power to kick its ass?

Or do you think the world is a beautiful village full of good people that just don't yet understand Obama's brillance, his "unseen before in history" intelligence, insight into humanity .... and his ability to solve an issue / events that have existed for 3,000 years?

0bama's lunatic base is even turning on him.

Pssst.... azzwipe... you just got off a week "time out" for comment spamming and plagiarism!

I see it taught YOU nothing...

Feisty -

Thanks for the shout out! And just for those who like to quibble about details, there were two separate links, one an article and the other an editorial. Here's the link to the second part:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/17/opinion/in-thrall-to-sheldon-adelson.html?_r=1&hp

P.S. - Did you see my answer on the flip side about where "Jen" came from? It's pretty funny!

The Founding Fathers and Mothers, America v Great Britain. Japan v America. WW2.

And there is no discussion about it. Your President, bob, has protected this nation far better than Bush EVER did.

Vote the straight Democratic ticket and protect America.

And. Leave phine alone. Wish her well. It would do your mean spirited soul some good.

Of course, no jo, in your dark world, releasing corn would have avoided that which was going to come regardless.

Did you see my answer on the flip side about where "Jen" came from? It's pretty funny!

Nope... gonna go check it out! Thanks again for the link & comments on Adelson!

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/08/16/muslim-brotherhood-clamps-down-on-dissent/

Is Snookie-Joe so desperate this is what she's been reduced to? lmao!

Apparently...

Question for ya Snooks, haven't you been spanked enough for one week? Or is it something you get off on?

PS: Quit pimping out the grand-kid! It's unbecoming and pathetic!

Unless of corse that assclown Tyler feels like putting on his brown shirt and playing Nazi again.

Buh-BYE!

"The issues swirling about Mr. Adelson's business practices are not new and can hardly come as a surprise to the Romney campaign. Last year, his company, the Las Vegas Sands Corporation, announced that it was under investigation by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission for possible violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act — specifically, that it bribed Chinese officials for help in expanding its casino empire in Macau. Later, the F.B.I. became involved, and even Chinese regulators looked askance at the company's conduct, fining it $1.6 million for violating foreign exchange rules, The Times reported on Monday.'

"A careful presidential campaign would put distance between itself and a businessman like Mr. Adelson. Instead, this one is cultivating him. Mr. Romney recently met with him in Israel, and Mr. Ryan this week paid homage to him and other big donors in a private casino for high-rollers on the 36th floor of Mr. Adelson's Venetian hotel. By allowing Mr. Adelson to have such an outsize role in their race, the candidates themselves are placing a very risky bet."

@Joanne or Fiesty

Here is the complete article you referenced. I cannot find the above statements as part of the reference. Please explain if the reference is in error or whether you are adding your own editorial and claiming that it was part of the article.

Is this the level you have sunk to?

LAS VEGAS — Four days after his announcement as Mitt Romney’s running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan was not in Florida talking Medicare with elderly voters or in drought-ridden Iowa talking about a farm bill. He traveled to the Venetian hotel here for a meeting hosted by Sheldon Adelson, the billionaire casino mogul who has pledged to spend as much as $100 million this year to defeat President Obama.

Mr. Adelson has already contributed more money to defeat Mr. Obama than anyone: over $50 million has gone to the 2012 campaign, including $10 million to a “super PAC” backing Mr. Romney and $10 million to Crossroads GPS, which has run millions of dollars of advertisements against Mr. Obama.

In keeping with Mr. Adelson’s penchant for staying below the radar, Romney aides refused to say who attended the meeting with Mr. Ryan, though the location (a private room at one of Mr. Adelson’s hotels) and leaks from the Romney camp left little doubt. And in keeping with laws that prohibit elected officials from explicitly asking donors for super PAC money, aides to Mr. Romney insisted before the event that the meeting was not a fund-raiser.

“It’s a finance event, not a fund-raiser,” an aide told reporters. Asked if people were paying to attend, he repeated, “It’s a finance event, not a fund-raiser.”

Monte Miller, a longtime Republican donor who planned to attend, described it as an opportunity for major contributors and influential Las Vegas Republicans to size up Mr. Ryan.

“I’ve watched Ryan for the last few years,” Mr. Miller said. “I think I know what he’s going to bring. But I haven’t been in the same room as him. I want to see his charisma and communication skills.”

The meeting, attended by several dozen guests, underlines that Mr. Ryan not only helps bring ideological ballast to the ticket but also is expected to have major appeal to donors.

The campaign said $3.5 million rolled in — from large and small donors alike — within 24 hours after Mr. Romney named him on Saturday, and Mr. Ryan’s schedule through the party convention later this month quickly filled with 10 fund-raising events, including in Denver, Cleveland, Philadelphia and Detroit.

At each stop this week during a tour of battleground states, Mr. Ryan will attend fund-raising dinners and breakfasts in addition to public rallies.

Mr. Romney’s relationship with Mr. Adelson, not always warm, has improved in recent months through private meetings between the two — and by Mr. Romney’s appearance at a fund-raiser in Jerusalem last month attended by Mr. Adelson, who holds hawkish views in support of Israel.

Mr. Ryan’s connections to Mr. Adelson are looser — the casino magnate does not appear to have donated to Mr. Ryan’s campaigns or his political action committee — and his opinions on Israel and the Middle East peace process are less well defined.

“It’s a safe bet Israel will come up,” said one Republican donor in Las Vegas who is a friend of Mr. Adelson.

But a closer connection with Mr. Adelson also holds risks for Mr. Ryan and the Republican ticket. Mr. Adelson’s casino empire, which has made him a billionaire, is the subject of a federal investigation into whether his company, Las Vegas Sands, bribed Chinese officials to help him expand into the mainland. Mr. Adelson’s company has denied any wrongdoing and has attributed the accusations to a disgruntled former executive.

At the fund-raiser Mr. Adelson attended in Jerusalem, Mr. Romney’s assertion that cultural differences explained economic disparities between Israelis and Palestinians was criticized as ethnically insensitive. Mr. Romney also declared Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel and promised to move the United States Embassy there.

The Obama campaign seized on Mr. Ryan’s new role to motivate Democratic donors, arguing that Mr. Romney chose his running mate to persuade wavering conservatives to open their wallets.

“Here’s the calculation,” Jim Messina, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, wrote in a fund-raising pitch this week. Mr. Ryan is on the ticket to “inspire ultraconservative ideologues and corporate interests,” he said, adding, “that means tens or even hundreds of millions more dollars for the Romney campaign and the array of outside groups supporting him.”

The money, he said, would pay for attack ads. “Those ads will have more impact on undecided voters than anything Paul Ryan himself does or says,” Mr. Messina wrote, making his own appeal for donations to take countermeasures.

Trip Gabriel reported from Las Vegas, and Nicholas Confessore from New York.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/us/politics/paul-ryan-meets-sheldon-adelson-in-las-vegas.html

JoAnne in PA

Feisty -

Thanks for the shout out! And just for those who like to quibble about details, there were two separate links, one an article and the other an editorial. Here's the link to the second part:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/17/opinion/in-thrall-to-sheldon-adelson.html?_r=1&hp

P.S. - Did you see my answer on the flip side about where "Jen" came from? It's pretty funny!

WHAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAA, Stop spamming. I'm to sensitive to read what you linked too WHAAAA WHAAAA.

Tyler suspend this rule breaker.

I dunno, bob. Think Obama manifested his "brilliance" when he tried to embarass Great Britain at the G20 meeting by referring to the Falkland Islands by the Argentinians preferred name- but made an ass of himself by referring to them as "the Maldives", (wrong ocean, wrong continent), rather than the Malvenas?

Maybe he was just exhausted from riding all that way on the Intercontinental Railroad.

Name a war where a weaker opponent started a war with a stronger military opponent knowing that power was stronger and had the will power to kick its ass?

The American Revolution - although what that had to do with your diatribe is beyond me.

Bob

“And one of the critical means and needs for a strong national defense is because the world needs America’s leadership.”

Actually, a lot of the world would like America to go home. And what leadership? Much of the world has surpassed the US in many areas.

Name a war where a weaker opponent started a war with a stronger military opponent knowing that power was stronger and had the will power to kick its ass?

Most of the Japanese military leadership before Pearl Harbour, and any two bit country backed by a strong ally that they manage to dupe.

no joe, no bo, nj

Please, Romney's jaunt in Europe was a great success? Even FOX pundits were dumping on him. What did they say ... embarrassing?

Or my granddaughter's.

We can only hope that apple falls far, far, far away from that tree.

Alan, NJ -

If you read my post at 1.11 above, you'd see that I already said that I referenced parts of two different Times pieces and gave the link to the part you're looking for. And I already said that in was from an editorial, because I hate it when other people cite opinion pieces as "facts". On the previous thread, I actually had them as two separate posts, with separate links. Believe it or not, some of us do try to abide by the rules around here.....

@Eliot

Thanks, you can see my confusion as Fiesty's post only had the first link.

@JoAnne

Thanks for the clarification.

Hey newday,

About Obama's "I got bin Laden" crap, guess you haven't heard....

"Mr. President, you did not kill Osama bin Laden. America did. The work that the American military has done killed Osama bin Laden. You did not," Ben Smith, identified as a Navy SEAL, says in the film.

Seems even the toughest guys in the world, the SEALs, can no longer stomach Obama's nauseating narcissism, political exploitation and clueles, incompetent endangerment of America.

Yep ... the silent warriors are pissed about a bunch of Obama things and have formed the Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc.

The group states it is not political but is simply trying to save American lives by detailing what a disaster Obama has been as Commander in Chief.

Gosh ... must be a bitch to now have to defame and marginalize the very true heroes who provided Obama his only claim to success in national security, huh?

Oh well, at least you guys have marginalized true heroes, the Swiftboat Veterans, before.

What are going to call this .... SEALing?

Hopefully we can call it SEALing the deal.

Bob: Hate to tell you this, but one of those "swiftboating" creeps just got his rear handed to him on Hardball. He was nonplussed at the reaction to his slander, and I'll tell you what bob, only the "birthers" will believe that crap this time.

Bob: Hate to tell you this, but one of those "swiftboating" creeps just got his rear handed to him on Hardball.

Coming from a conserative like Michael Smerconish (sp?)... it was a thing of beauty!

It was kind of painful to watch that hot mess!

Best to ignore the Boob - he hasn't had any good loving in years! lol

Did you see the look on the cretin's face, Feisty? He knew he got well and truly owned.

Bob, Sort of like Dubya all dressed up like a pilot, cod piece and all, and declaring mission accomplish. What mission did Dubya accomplish? Did HE get Saddam Hussein or was that done by someone else?

Normally when there is success it is the leader who takes the credit and also supposedly takes the credit when things go wrong too. But you seem to want to blame Obama for what you see is going wrong but won't give him credit for what went right.

Were you proud of Dubya personally getting Sadam and his brats? I'll bet you were.

Did you see the look on the cretin's face, Feisty? He knew he got well and truly owned.

NDD,

Anytime, these cretin's are forced to admit the truth, is a GOOD day for America!

newday,

One of the SEALs got his rear handed to him?

I doubt it. Who cares (watches) about Hardball anyway?

So where was he wrong, what did he lie about ... or getting covered in Matthew's spittle what you call winning a debate.

Oh well, I am looking forward to how mainstream America views it. Are you looking forward to it?

Regarding our founding moms (nice touch - I like that) and dads against the UK ...

You are too intelligent to really need me to explain the difference ... the motivational difference between a revolt / revolution and an act of aggression by one country against another.

Decent try though.

Japan?

Problem is that Japan was militarily superior to the US at the start of WW II. They had been at war, where combat experienced, they had much superior aircraft, more aircraft carriers, bigger battleships ...

Japan wasn't afraid of America, they merely wanted to swat us down to keep us out of their way until they could get what they wanted.

Yamato, the guy that planned Pearl Harbour knew he could run wild for a awhile, but also knew that in the long run, after America woke up and started building ...Japan would lose. He was afraid of our industrial potential.

His superiors didn't buy it.

Btw - Do you not how lucky we were at Midway ... the turning point of the war?

Good try ... but my point holds unless you come up with something else.

About phine ... tell her to be nice ("little Paulie") and I'll let it slide.

Tell her I hope she is doing well and hope she gets back to full heath. (I am serious)

Have a nice weekend newday.

Bob, I know the film you are referring to. It was recently put up by a group calling itself OPSEC. I saw them come on the news late one night. It made me want to check out the site. These are actual former C.I.A. guys (one even with his face in shadow) and others of the intelligence world who think Obama spilled all of the secret things they were doing. Some people got killed because he said too much. A president should know better.

I am a Democrat and find it all disturbing. It is not a partisan thing. Democrats of the past were as protective of national security issues as much as Republicans. I really wish the Democratic Party would nominate someone else at the convention, otherwise, I am stuck voting third party for president.

Adled,

Google Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech so I don't have to waste time publicly proving what an uniformed, clueless dummy you are.

Bob:

I saw it also. It's pretty compelling to anyone who actually cares about national security. BTW, I think NDD was trying to change the subject to one of the swiftboat guys.

That's all we need. Go back to a Bush era. Make wars, loose the housing market. loose your stocks. Yeh, that works.

I would not compare OPSEC and swiftboat. This is heavy stuff whereas swiftboat was a tempest in a teapot. It is not often that these spy types go public. That is just not the way they are. If they do, it is serious.

Worldtravel, Bush wasn't so great either. I'd rather go back to FDR...the days when presidents could look after the needs of people at home AND national security.

Here is another example where Ryan is talking on a topic on which he has no knowledge.

Ryan blamed Obama for the closing of a factory which closed during the Bush presidency. The factory is a General Motors factory which is in his own Wisconsin congressional district.

Bob and Empress I too have seen the OPSEC film. They are saving lives and trying to teach Americans a lesson from WWII that "Loose lips sink ships". Americans have forgotten the value of silence as to anything of an intelligence nature so real heroes are just re-educating the average American on an old lesson. In my opinion anyone with any decency and a desire to SAVE American lives should support such a worthy cause. Here is the link to these Great Heroes;

http://opsecteam.org/

If the above link does not work than put the address in your browser or use Google. It will be the first organization on the Google list.

This is a good start for these silent men. Personally I wish they would go further. According to the Homeland Security boss on an interview on the News Hour, he said that America is infiltrated by Russian and Chinese agents. It seems to me spying like charity begins at home meaning we should bring all our troops and agents home to clean house here first because what good is helping Iraq or Afghanistan if America crumbles due to espionage at home.

Empress,

Thank you for your comments and I respectifully agree with your comments regarding the Democratic Party. Very sad.

I am not a repub. I agree with Thomas Paine ... society is a blessing, government at its best is a necessary evil ... at its worst an intolerable one.

I planned on voting for Hillary in the last election simply because McCain was not a realistic chance and Hillary was the lesser evil of the two viable options.

Think about how you use your vote, can America afford this type of president with what we will be facing.

Good luck ... you too Anakin Skywalker.

Oh my God, MORE conspiracy from the right wing.

bob: you asked a question, I answered it. I am accurate in my answer, and you don't like it. Doesn't change the facts or the history.

You can watch a repeat of Hardball tonight. It was actually Michael Smerconish who owned the Seal, last name Gomez, involved in the swiftboating slander against their President. The guy was HUMILIATED!

Fool's Gold: I was not changing the subject. I was using the term "swiftboating" as a verb in the current vernacular.

Bob,

That is what is weighing on me right now...how to vote. Should I actually vote for Romney to get rid of Obama? As far as national security, Romney may be better, but I am not sure by how much. I do not like his obsession with budgets (evident by his choosing Ryan). I fear he may cut Medicare and programs needed by little people and give huge tax breaks to the rich, and yet....Obama in practice has done much of the same, so I don't know if it will make much difference. Obama signed the bill for the sequestration (cuts on both programs and military), a very unDemocrat thing to do. He also gutted Medicare to form Obamacare, so as a Democrat I feel he in reality did nothing useful. perhaps it would be better to let Romney can Obamacare. A future president may do a better job of creating a national healthcare program. I'd rather wait for one that works than for one that is designed to crash and burn. If Romney gets in, the democrats have four years to get it right next time. I have considered it a possible good risk to consider Romney (and voting straight democrat for all congressional seats so Romney can't do damage).

By the way, I voted for Hillary in the primaries too.

Go stroke Feisty's ego, newday. You have nothing to contribute to the conversation.

Bob and Empress, I too am not sure how to vote. I am a FDR style Democrat which means I strongly believe in supporting the poor and building a strong infrastructure. National Security is a priority to me. I believe to be a first world country you have to have both a strong solid infrastructure and a strong National Security intelligence Community. To have these a major overhaul is needed. One must rid your house of Rats and Termites before rebuilding can start. What is Desperately needed in America is to Get Out The Foreign Spies from our soil, Pronto!!! Then when it is only us Americans left we can begin rebuilding America.

Empress, it was a slick video.

Did you notice that they did not show where President Obama congratulated the men and women of the armed forces for this action? They edited that part out.

Did you notice that the video was produced by a former Republican candidate for office and that they refused to say exactly who paid for it?

Did you notice that they made unsubstantiated allegations while "protecting the identity" of the sources and speaker?

Did you notice that the video footage of Presdient Obama supposedly spilling the beans to Hollywood about killing bin-Laden was footage from March of 2010, roughly a year BEFORE bin-Laden was killed?

Frankly, I have very little respect for the politically based antics of former service personnel that violate their military honor and diminish their personal service by deliberately making unsubstantiated allegations and agitating for other active duty military personnel to disrespect the CIC.

I was not changing the subject. I was using the term "swiftboating" as a verb in the current vernacular.

NDD:

Apologies, I misunderstood your post. As for this being "more conspiracy" from the right, I disagree. This should be something that concerns all Americans regardless of their particular political persuasion. If you haven't seen the film, click on Skywalker's link--it's worth your time.

Poor b0b...out of touch with reality once again:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/16/seal-team-six-admiral-obama-is-fantastic-president-video/

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/28/sitroom.01.html

Matthew and Mickey:

I take it that both of you are denying that the leaking of classified material has actually occurred? Because if you are, you would be contradicted by the President himself and if you're not, then everything else you say is irrelevant.

Empress and Anakin -

Instead of just citing the usual stuff, I would like time which I don't have at the moment, and give a careful and as unbiased opinion as possible on the issues you raised as possible.

No bs ... this election is serious stuff and only absolute honesty has a chance of changing minds.

Check back in the morning and I will have responded.

Thanks for your thoughtful seriousness.

Mathew I do not agree with you that the video is for republicans only. I believe Intelligence Community secrets are an American issue no matter which party you are in. Obama is being criticized today. Bush was criticized by the Intelligence Community for releasing Valery Plame's name and endangering her contacts lives. Bush was suited by the CIA for that so too many Presidents have been too loose lipped when it comes to intelligence secrets. This abysmal history goes way back to JFK. Since then the Intelligence Community has had to suffer abuse unceasing until now and it continues to this day. OPSEC promises to remain as a watchdog agency to attempt to protect the Intelligence Community. If Romney gets in the White House he will have to face these guys as much as Obama if he gets a 2nd term. These guys are here to stay, I hope. This is way long overdue because The abuse of the Intelligence Community has to stop.

This is just a watchdog Agency. It is a good start. It is much less than I would do. I would choose a two fold action. One would be this and the other would be far more aggressive like what Tom suggested "Operation King David" for example... Let he who has an ear let them here. And I am not just referring to a Bible study. (Elbow anyone).

I appreciate your apology, Fool's Gold. Will watch the video when I get some time. But honesty? So much gets attributed to this President that is just plain wrong, it is hard to take any more of it seriously.

Fool's Gold and Anakin - I fully agree that leaks have occurred same as they've happened as far back as President Nixon (that's where I remember starting to pay attention).

I agree that intelligence agencies and the people associated with them need to be protected!

I do NOT agree that this "Opsec" group is a "watch dog" agency. If they were, they would not have slanted their presentation by using selective editing and false images. Their efforts were clearly to create a false and biased presentation to best support unsubstantiated allegations against the CIC. A "watch dog" agency strives for "sunshine and transparency" not undercutting and sabotage.

I never claimed this video was "for Republicans only." In fact, I think otherwise. I think this video is a slickly made, biased piece specifically designed to promote a distrust and rejection of President Obama.

I will also say that any and ALL leaks from any and ALL sources (regardless of party or position) need to be investigated, and where needed, the leak source identified and where required, prosecuted.

Mathew In my opinion OPSEC is being as transparent as they can be. All these guys are not used to dealing with the public. They lived their whole lives in secret. They told as much as they believed they could. I could easily tell that these guys had trouble trying to talk to the public at all. They are not used to the public so I think you should cut them some slack because it is their first time talking in the open. You have to try and understand the Intelligence Community is not used to dealing with the public especially the "Field Agent" Or Special Ops Units. These guys have lived in the shadows all of their lives. You just can not wave a wand and say they should do everything as the news or some other civilian organization does. Here I am not trying to fight you. I want you to try to see how these guys feel and see life. They have lived very different lives than regular citizens. I hope that I helped you see that they are not fake. These guys are more real than many. This is where it is hard to bridge the gap between civilians and the Intelligence Community. This is why they are so misunderstood. I can only assure you that they are real. I know that may seem a strange statement but it is the best I can say. I know too many who have suffered by the leaks done by the reckless. It bothers me greatly so when an organization such as this one comes along to help a long suffering problem I am more than grateful and will not look a gift horse in the mouth. So please at least give these guys a chance and see how they do. Only time will prove who is right or wrong. They did say that they will remain even after the election. If it was about electioneering they only need to be there until November.

Anakin, I appreciate your perspective and VERY much appreciate your concerns. I am not fighting you either. I am expressing my opinion that the sharing of information must be honest or it is not "intelligence" it is propoganda intended to achieve a desired result. Specifically because of their profession, these fellas understand that reporting out requires accuracy.

Aw, little Ayn Rand fan club leader Paul Ryan wants to start a big, bad war with Iran? Let's pack him some clean underpanties and a sandwich so he can lead the charge. Him have so much great big military experience! Big bad man!

Just what America needs -- another pasty-faced, beady-eyed little chickenhawk, fluffing his creepy little feathers, screaming his little battle cries, all ready to squander more lives and money on another never-ending war.

Go back to Wisconsin, Cheese Boy. Tell another granny why she can't get insurance. Live out your nasty little life where you hurt fewer people, not more.

This swift boat attack will not work. Democrats are ready to fight back. The Republicans (or, excuse me, the unaffiliated super pacs) will be humiliated. I'm glad Osama Bin Laden is dead.

Obama - 2012! A man who gets things done!

• There was a young fella named Ryan
• Who caught his co-candidate sighin'
• He asked, "Some bad news?"
• "Yah, we're gonna lose!"
• Said Mitt Romney as he began cryin'

All of you get a grip Peter Hoekstra who was on the intelligence committee leaks like a sieve - and nobody chastised him

This is a swift boat pure and simple - funded by unamed sources - give me a break

They did this to John Kerry Silver Medal winner - Purple Heart - who turned his boat around to pick up one of his crew

A real hero versus George Jr - who couldn't pass the drug test and took his little behind to WHAT Boston College where he never appeared only to be found stumping for dad

And you bought it hook line and sinker - or should I say stinker?

And then they went after a great journalist Dan Rather - on the bogus claim that the truth was plageriized

Sorry we've seen this junk before - go after an opponents strongest points and destroy him

Hey quote your hero fool me once - whatever

@Anakin Skywalker

Bob and Empress I too have seen the OPSEC film. They are saving lives and trying to teach Americans a lesson from WWII that "Loose lips sink ships". Americans have forgotten the value of silence as to anything of an intelligence nature so real heroes are just re-educating the average American on an old lesson. In my opinion anyone with any decency and a desire to SAVE American lives should support such a worthy cause. Here is the link to these Great Heroes;

http://opsecteam.org/

I have heard one of the front men prattle on in a radio interview where he actually was forced to field real questions. I believe that real heroes don't mind the light of day. So why is it that the people who put up the money for this are a 504? Gutless cowards who throw rocks from the shadows. Just another cheap cowardly Swiftboat group with a purely political aim. Get real. Real heroes don't hide behind lawyers. They stand up.

Also, don't forget, Regan invites Tom Clancy to show him all of our new tanks, new special ops training methods and the such so he could write a series of books about our newest, latest and greatest weapons. The Russains only had to go to a Barnes and Noble and not waste a lot of spy monies.

Mathew I guess we have to wait to let things play out. We can agree to disagree. I believe these guys are telling the truth. So we can only wait the results.

I was really amazed at the misunderstanding of the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor.

At the time, the Japanese planes were actually superior in manuverablitly and speed compaired to our plans. What Japan was concerned about was the Aircraft Carriers and Battle Ships.

The whole point of the attack was to cripple a fighting force that was superior in numbers under the mistaken belief that we would be taken out of the war. The biggest failure they had was not sinking any Aircraft Carriers because none were in harbor that day because they returned late.

Most of the planners never had visited the United States. They did not know that we had the industrial might that could crank out more than enough war equipment to replace what they had destroyed and more than enough for 2 wars.

The point is that you only attack a superior force IF you do so by surprise and are able to make them weaker than you. Epic fail on the Japanese warlords part.

Paul Ryan continued: "In the past day, Iran's president called our ally Israel, quote, a cancerous tumor that must be excised. Let me be really clear. Under President Romney, our adversaries will think twice about challenging America and our allies because we believe in peace through strength. There will be no daylight between America and our friends around the world. Strong national defense, peace through strength, strong relationship with our allies."

And Paul Ryan's going to sign his kid's up for the armed services along with the Romney kid's who look at service to their country as following Daddy Nit-Wit around the country trying to get elected. You want war Romney/Ryan, come fight it yourself and serve your country honorably, like the REAL 1% of American heros do!! Ever notice how Tea-Republicans like to beat on their chest and talk war, but run the other way when the time comes to fight and serve their country. Or how we need to cut the budget and social programs because we're so broke, but they double the defense budget so their "friends" get expensive government defense contracts that create cost overruns and unsustainable costs to the taxpayers. ROMNEY + RYAN = LYING REPUBLICANS...they got most of your 401K and retirement money in 2008 and now they're coming for your Social Security and Medicare!! Don't let them have it and fight for what you've paid for. They're the only ones getting entitlements, we paid for our's!!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Paul Ryan: "Peace through War".

What does this shrimp know about the Middle East? I mean, other than he knows that Mutt's plan to start another war will put more guys to work and Mutt's unemployment numbers won't be bad. Oh then we will need to bring back Rosie the Riveter. Then well have to bring back Fifinella.

Yes, I remember WW2, Rosie the Riveter and Fifinella. Those were the days when men fought in the war and women worked in industries that supported them. And youngsters went around the neighborhood collecting cans for the war drive. Oh, Fifinella? She was a darling.

Adler:: George Bush did accomplish something-- besides TRY to look sexy in front of the "Mission Accomplished" banner. He managed to get out of the jet and down on the deck of the carrier without falling on his face. A GREAT accomplishment for him!

Doug:: That GM plant that was closed while Shrub (that is a little Bush) was president not only was in the shrimp's district, it was in HIS HOMETOWN.

Either Shrimp was just a baby or his mind is addled. It has to be the second. A symptom of AIT.

no joe:: What about Mutt Robme's booboo in England when he was there for the Olympics? Or what about his gaffe in Israel?

Mutt would NEVER have been in England except that is where the Olympics was held-- and his wife's nag was entered. He didn't watch that.

bob:: Why should anybody have to google Shrub's Mission Accomplished speech? It is just a written record of what Shrub said, and so it would be a written record of any lies he told. And no need to read his lies after hearing them.

Republican's new Middle East policy is to go skinny dipping in the Sea of Galilee, which by the way is very disrespectful of the site where the Bible reports that Jesus walked on water.

Give the Romney/Ryan kids a "shovel".

Get this!!!

Mitt Romney, the cult-like Mormon worshipper, picks Paul Ryan the Roman Pope worshipper so as to appeal to all those far Rightwing, Obama and black-hating, Evangelicals and crazy-wacko Teabagging Fundamentalists, who all Worship the "Atlas Shrugged" Atheist, Ayn Rand, who is quoted as saying the Poor are just "Lice and Parasites".

The above factual information would be Funny, if it wasn't so pathetic and Sick.

The GOP, the Republicans, Mitt Romney and the Teabaggers are Imploding politically.

Hey Guys!

You're NOT just LOSING the Presidential Election.

You've ALREADY LOST.

Better luck next time.

You guys might as well stay home.

How sad, too bad, we're all glad.

ps. Is this a Great post, or what?

Pretty sad....your argument is simply a bunch of name-calling?

I can't believe Ryan is linking military spending with jobs. There's a phrase for that. "Wartime Economy". As in "Permanent Wartime Economy". Also known as permanent war. If this is what you want for this country then vote for Romney/Ryan. Trade the blood of your children for jobs. I wonder, how many jobs per life? Actually, it must seem like a great deal to Republicans. Reduce the number of unemployed AND the number of people who need jobs. A win/win for you guys.

Hahaha, talking about his nose getting bigger -- Romney is Pinocchio, a puppet trying to be a human boy.

Don't forget old Uncle Gepetto aka Adelson made these puppet boys.

And we know just were the puppet master has his fingers, Don't we?

Old Adelson will need a hearty dose of soap suds to remove the stink from under his nails!!

We're not going to let that happen," Ryan told the crowd in North Canton, Ohio. "Mitt Romney and I are going to crack down on China cheating.

... and RyMitt, will that be before or after they get so pissed off at you that they cash out of their US Treasury bonds and add another minus notch or two to the US Dollar's credit rating? Only a crowd of idiots would cheer on a threat like that. Oh that RyMitt boy screwing those yankees for us really good.

And a couple of lies: 1) claims he never requested stimulus funds from the Energy Dept. false - there are letter requests with his signature on them 2) claims that the GM plant in his district was shut down by Obama, false, it was shut down under Bush.

I have no doubt we'll soon be seeing 3), 4), 5), etc from Ryan.

Now there's two liars on the repub ticket.

Hey Art - Here are the copies

Paul
Ryan who bashes Obama’s stimulus program – partook of the program

On
October 5, 2009, he wrote a letter to Chu on behalf of the nonprofit Energy
Center of Wisconsin, which was applying for a grant under the Recovery Act’s
Geothermal Technologies Program.

Under the grant program the center received a total of $240,000, according to
its president, Frank Greb.

The same day Ryan sent another letter advocating for a grant application, in
which the Energy Center partnered with Milwaukee Area Technical College, for
training building technicians and operators in energy-saving techniques.

For that program, the government provided $740,364, according to federal
records.

But the biggest payoff came for the Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corporation.
Ryan predicted the $20 million grant would be able to “create or retain
approximately 7,600 new jobs over the three-year grant period and the
subsequent three years.” Paul
Ryan’s Hypocricy

Re:OPSEC video.

I too watched the film and found it disturbing. I did notice that they very carefully edited it to leave out the President's statement that the military and intelligence community was to be congratulated. So I did some further checking. Here's a link dissecting the entire video.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

It makes a very interesting read.

Nice try, Skip, but thanks for playing anyway.

Matthew,

It sometimes seems as Paul Ryan wants us to believe he was anyplace but the House of Repesentatives for the last 14 years.

LOL

NorthstarDFL -

As my oldest son once said at about the tender age of 10. "Dad, sometimes crap don't flush." (Of course I was getting the plunger when he said that . . . )

Matthew-2771918...

...LOL

Matthew,

You have a very perceptive son. :))

I've been blessed with a wonderful wife and three wonderful sons. I love and treasure them.

Adler.....Google the Levon Affair and the USS Liberty and you will see that Isreal is only about Isreal and is not a friend of the US. Also, I just watched Fox news and they were, again, all over "Obamacare" and that we cannot afford it. Well, guess what guys, if we can afford basic medical care to our citizenry, we cannot afford another war in Iran.

if we can afford basic medical care to our citizenry, we cannot afford another war in Iran.

I think you meant can't, Kevin. Good post! :)

What an ignorant perspective.

Coming from you, Conservative, that's a compliment.

Granted i acknowledge your ignorance Layton but I wasn't referring to you.

The ignorant and naive believe military strength is not only not required but is actually the root of our problems here in our nation. The truth of the matter is that we enjoy our freedoms and prosperity because of our strength. Matter of fact, many nations have enjoyed a de facto peace and prosperity simply because they are aligned with us. If the America hating peaceniks don't think so then they are free to go to one of those countries which do not fully enjoy our largesse. There's a third world sh!t hole people are trying to flee everyday 90 miles south of Florida which will probably accept them.

conservative,

I see you subscribe to the theory of the US must continue to be the policeman of world and we must be the about nation building. Sounds like a neoconservative to me.

No wonder you support Romney. He is another GW in foreign policy.

Been there, done that. Don't the GOP ever learn?

Conservative...do you, right now, believe that we should enter into another war with Iran? My answer is "no" and I will lay out my case for you instead of making a general, unsubstantiated remark that my thinking is awry in this matter

(1) We simply cannot afford it; our deficit is what 16 trillion and is approaching the "danger zone" as a percentage of GDP; this is according to the Ryan Path to Properity document, all 73 pages of which I read the other day

(2) If your fear mongering argument is that Iran with a nuke is a threat to Isreal, Isreal can take care of themselves; they have proven this many times over; Iran would never be stupid enough to throw a nuke Tel Aviv's way; with their 200 plus US nukes, they would erase their country from existence

(3) If your fear mongering argument is that Iran with a nuke is a threat to the US, with stories of rogue Iranian johnboats cruising into NY harbor (wait a minute, I had to stop finishing laughing);then shouldn't we also go to war with North Korea (I mean after all, right now, they could be assembling an armada of sailfish boats with sovet nukes in tow); also, same argument with Pakistan

(4) That Iran is a soveriegn country, do you know what soveriern means? they have the right, just like we do and Isreal does and many other countries to build nuclear weapons; it has been proven that Achmedinijad's remarks were that the current Isreal leadership need to go

(5) Before and during the cold war, conservatives were huge proponents that counties build nuclear weapons; mutually assured destruction; the theory here is that, with MAD, the nukes actually keep the peace; so, following this conservative theory, would not it be better for Iran to have nukes to keep Isreal in check; a good case history here is India and Pakistan, who fought wars constantly, have not fought any wars since they acquired nukes

(6) Finally, being an avid reader (all volumes of Gibbons' Fall of Rome); I see America making the same mistakes of former world powers (Rome, Greece, Britain); they did not fall because they spent too much money taking care of their own; they all fell due to constant wars and nation-building in sovereign countries that they had absolutely no business in; please note: I also believe in a strong military, however, believe that we can still be #1 at at least 20-30% less with the military budget

Peace is not for the faint of heart. I suppose you would let Iran develop nuclear weapons, and they have missiles that can deliver them to Europe....good show all!

How much can you pay? Don't wait on others. Write a check to the treasury.

Why don't we get govt scaled back and under control rather than just accept a bloated leviathan?

Good point dale. Who would have the guts to insist they do this? The only way I could think of is have the C.I.A. tell the rich magnates to fork it over or sleep with the fishes, all in the name of national security. They no doubt would feel this is a bit outside their mandate, but it sure would solve the debt problem.

The leviathan is the "private sector" that is gouging this nation to death. Wars for oil companies. Ridiculous insurance company overhead in health care costs. Wasteful pentagon spending. Outsourcing our jobs to China, Vietnam, and Russia. Government contractors overcharging the taxpayers in the war and in every other case. Pharmaceutical companies gouging us through the Medicare part D scam.

God save us from the "free market" and efficiency of the "private sector". But, what the heck do you expect when the only motive is profit?

What has happened is that capitalism has become God in the U.S. In the proper order of things it should be second to the nation itself and its people, that is, properly regulated.

The leviathan is the private sector?

It truly saddens me that there are so many ignorant and lazy people who don't know squat.

What happens when the motive becomes "gimme" and there is only the lazy with their hand out?

We become France and Greece. Where people are literally abandoning their children because they see them as a liability.

Conservative, such faith in your fellow man. You must live such an angry life. Are you the person that sued McDonald's because your coffee was hot?

Empress is partially correct about capitalism becoming a god. This is not a totally new thing for we have had worshipers of the almighty dollar virtually forever. But until recently, even these who serve and worship capitalism still had a sense of loyalty to the nation. There is no loyalty today ~ for many of the often revered and exalted corporations could not be counted on to be loyal to the United States if another dollar of profit can be made through disloyalty and alliance with an adversary. Hell, it has been illegal to trade with Iran for over eight years but an American corporation just got heavily fined for doing just that. Some of our defense contractors are sub-letting production to China. China, fer chrissakes ~ because they can squeeze another dollar of profit out of such a deal. Yeah, capitalism has taken on god-like form and any who may question or challenge it is deemed a heretic.

I live a great life layton. That is why it saddens me to see my fellow Americans fall under the left leaning liberal bs. Take, for example, the statement made by "Toomany". Obviously, not too many hours weighing philosophy.

"The private sector is the leviathan"

Where does one learn such idiocy?

Let's take the obvious straight forward argument. Without the private sector there is no public sector. Where does that lead?

When you strip away the private sector you end up with tyranny. Government control of everything. Usually enforced from the barrel of the gun. Now, I don't know about the rest of you brain dead "give me mine because I can't make it" fools but I would rather be poor and free than fed and enslaved.

Always a pleasure Layton. Have a better tomorrow than you did today.

Good post Dale.

Conservative Rebellion:If people like warren Buffet, Oprah, Bill gates, Mitt Romney etc. along with oil companies, banks, corporations etc. were to pay ten million, some could pay a hundred million, companies like Apple could pay five billion dollars cash, and never even know it was gone from their accounts! Why not do it, and get this country back on track? They could receive tax breaks for it over the next ten years; These people should want to do it to get this country back on track! We have soldiers doing a lot more than that!

United We stand wasn't that what everyone was saying after 9/11? There are fifty thousand major cities in the country, inside those cities there are millions of businesses they could pay something. It doesn't make sense to stretch this crisis out over the next twenty years while America suffers!

We can do much better, and We should! Just take Michell Jackson for an example. He could pay ten million dollars , There are many more like him that could do it to help the country to recover and they should be glad to do it!

So....since you are obviously "a good americans", you'll be releasing your tax returns.

It's a stretch to call you a "good americans", let's try stoned.

We should end the wars overseas and fix the home front.

WOW...Romney/Ryan/Adelson and the reassembled Bush Team!

kardy,

Yes, Romney has every old Bush era neocon advising him on foreign policy.

And on domestic policy, Romney picked Paul Ryan a Bush era yes guy .

I suggest that you intellectuals read up on George Soros, who is funding Obama (quietly). That should make your hair stand on end.

And Obama knew even less when he took office but you still voted for him, hypocrite.

I guess you haven't listen to your leader lately. Talk about low life talking points and you eat them up. Understandable because no one every said a liberal had much intelligence.

Nice GC .... and you have a fact to go along with that snarky little post???? I'm pretty sure I could go head to head with you on IQs and transcripts and I would win.

Poor little layton....another liberal who I have offended. Don't like what I say, so don't read my posts. Not hard to understand even for a liberal. By the way, I have as many facts as your side does libbie.

IQ does not equate to common sense and transcripts only prove someone has been to college and still does not eqaute to commond sense. And some geniuses have proven to be highly ignorant. Welcome to the genius club layton

Common sense isn't common, kitten and obviously you've none. You've got a Gold Star pass into the GOP TP club where making sense and having a fact isn't needed. Kudos to you. Enjoy your time with Vulture and Voucher. My President is going to take this election and your sorry whiney butt is going to be left high and dry.

Be careful of what you mock and do. Karma is a bitch!

4 more for 44!

Right, because Bush is still President.You're fabricating that anyway. He never gave such an order.

Loons everywhere.

Conservative Rebellion: The order was given because the Bush Administration did not want to be pulled into a full-scale Middle East War. It was the correct order! If Iran had been bombed, then that would not be the end of the affair. It would have been just the beginning. Two very large events would have occurred.

1. Most every Mid-East country would likely be pulled to the side of Iran because the hated Jews led a first strike attack on Iran. Iran has enemies among several Mid-East Muslim states, but they would have come together against Israel. The U.S. would have lost its Muslim allies at a time when we were bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan costing us four billion dollars a week as it was. Our military

2. We would have lost many of our European allies who would not support an Israeli first strike against Iran. Why? Iran supplies a great deal of oil to Europe and Japan, not to mention China. Remember the Bush Administration's statement "An Alliance of the Many," (NATO and other countries) against Sadam Hussein?That would have collapsed instantly.

3. The U.S. would have stood almost alone with Israel. Why? We would have been forced to do so because every right wing evangelical Christian would have demanded it. There would have been an outcry of support by the far right wing extremist fanatics to support Israel. The Bush Administration would have had a domestic nightmare on its hands.

4. That would have meant the U.S. would have had to move to a "total war," including reinstating the draft which, in turn, would have led to another anti-Vietnam situation among those people who did not want to go to war. Taxes would have had to be raised resulting another element in the American society wanting the president's head. The result would have been terrible domestic at a time when we were trying to get out of Iraq.

5. EVERY President of the United States of American fears a backlash from one of the most poorly educated, easily led, pathetically igonorant, groups in American society, namely, the far right wing, extremist fanatics. That's why you do not hear of presidential policies that seem to contradict far right wing extremist policies, particulalry when the president himself seems to back that pathetic element.

Dick Cheney burned Valerie Pflame Wilson, too, when he listened to the Prince of Darkness, Karl Rove who said "She is Fair Game!" That SOB exposed Wilson as a covert CIA agent which, in turn, got many covert foreign agents killed when governments hostile to the USA found out that their own nationals were American spies. That was, of course, a treasonable offense. Obama signed a bill into law early in his administration that protected Bush and Cheney or any other former American Administration from being prossecuted for actions they took when in office.

You may think that Bush never gave such an order to shoot down Israeli aircraft on a first-strike mission on Iran, but it did happen and it was made public later. It was the correct order!

The Rove-Cheney order to burn an American CIA agent was not the correct order! It was an absoutely treasonable act. Obama, however, like Gerald Ford who pardoned Nixon knew full well what the backlash would be for the American society from the far right wing extremist fanatics in the country if they were actually brought to justice, signed a bill into law that protects former administrations from persecution.

Say hello to Obama intestines liberal.

Blame Obama.

July was the deadliest month on record for our brave young men and women in Afghanistan because of Obama. I'm sure they would rather be sitting in a classroom or hanging in the 'hood smoking dope. Or both.

Whaddaya think Elvis?

We have Money or Jobs to Let in 1.8 Million Illegal Aliens into the Country...My oh my Liberals

My oh my, Elvis is just another parroting liberal.

Elvis

From some of your posts, you din't get much out of the education.

They'll close down newsvine as an official day of mourning.

The King is Dead day.

Yup. The libretards will choke on their own bile.

and there will be shovel ready jobs for pest exterminators..

to clean out the oblamo white house vermin..

Welcome to the games trapp211....go get'em.

conserve--- Are you you saying we need to get rid of freedom of the press and freedom of speach?

To old man from another old man......nope he did not even come close to saying that. What are you senile? Oh sorry, I know just another liberal.

GCCal ---- wrong -- just an old RINO wondering what happened to the party.

Naw old man. Just get rid of the liberals. Problem solved, world peace, no more climate change, and no more rap music.

Praise all things holy.

Conservative You and your party need to put your heads between your legs and kiss yourselves good by! Your party is over!

New Democrat majority in the House? Ha, ha, ha... Nasty Pelosi will never be Speaker of the House again. Obama reelection... not gonna happen... think about it... all he has to offer is four more years of the same... he has no new ideas... all he can garner in the polls is 46% of registered voters... less of likely voters... Obama's going down like a Tijuana who're.

And you are using which crystal ball? Oh I know, the one you used in 2010.

@ Martha you spell whore wrong and also whore's got to work too. And hate to break it to you but Obama is going to win how you may ask ? young vote,woman and people that are not going to fall for''we have to go to war to have peace crap'' but on a lighter note have a good day and hope for the best and mitt is not it!!!!

Divisive and despicable... Obama is out of ideas... all he has is fear and envy... and nattering nabobs of negativity... like yourself.

Maria

So thats' why you are voting for Obama/Biden, your delusional