Good God, that Willard can sure lie. However, the fact show other wise.

One simply cannot believe a word Romney says. Not one word. He is not to be trusted by Democrats, Republicans, and Tea Partiers alike.

Well, Cesar, if there's nothing good to say about someone then nothing good will be said.

What can you say that's good about Romney?

He...lies 7 out of 10 times.

Even if you had something you think is good, chances are it's a lie.

And you know it, which makes you a bit hesitant to try to point out how 'l337' romney is on the campaign trail.

Your hesitancy confirms it...

republicans lie.

and since you intend on voting for him anyways, i must conclude you're fine with it.

That would put your own morality in a questionable place, Cesar.

Maybe it's time for that 'Leap of Faith', yah?

-It's time for Democrats to start playing TfT, like Republicans have been doing for 2 decades. Joe Biden and Harry Reid are learning

Caeser I guess you're going to call the CBO a "liberal" "commie" organization next.

Thanks Tek. you showed me. Rah Rah sis boom bah.

Its animal farm in here all day every day.

Ron in Indiana, Feisty, Tek et al "four legs good, two legs better"

NolongerRepub im sure you were. no, the CBO is fine. Obama don't like it much but whatever.

Poor Caesar – can’t handle the truth

Cry me a river

If you’re bitchin your losing

What can you say that's good about Romney?

He's consistent/good about lying.......not good, but consistent. lol

OMT.....he's good at bilking folk out of millions of dollars, and destroying working folks jobs while walking away with millions himself!

romney lies 71% of the time.

He says he pays taxes.

71% chance that's a lie.

BAM.

I'm just here to call fools out and chew bubblegum.

And i'm all out of bubblegum.

What are the odds that the only person okay with being lied to 71% of the time, is another person who lies excessively as well?

I think they'd be pretty high.

libbys, more fun than a barrel of monkeys!

Don't feed the Sock Sox Puppet.

chilled

What can you say that's good about Romney?

He is consistent in his support for what he has yet to decide to do.

He anthropomorphosis of irony and thereby is loved by Caesar.

Back to laser beams!

Obama was too busy putting his laser beams on mars a la NASA.
Now it's a circle jerk?

I thought the Republicans were the ones who got caught with a bunch of stodgy old legislatures in a room, pledging to make Obama a one-termer?

And what do you call that Grover Norquist pledge? That's a rim-job if I've ever seen one. 'A little more tongue, my Republican legislature sock-puppets!'

Hey, let's keep on lasers...products of liberal scientists at liberal universities, after all.

Balance doesn't exist. One candidate is mediocre. The other is an absolute liar and never to be trusted.

Even your own party doesn't trust their meat puppet, big fella. Afraid someone might wake up and point out Romney is Mr. Healthcare himself.

Or that the Heritage Foundation is Master Planner of the ACA.

Republicans can't even keep what they like, and dislike, seperate in their heads.

You just know to be scared of something and a not-white fella with more education than you sitting in the white-house is preposterous!

Back to the channel of red, white and black. Victory-Welfare, the corporate state will save us by it's chosen vessel Mitt Romney!

Whee!

Romney reported more than a dozen health-care holdings in one broad investment fund alone, ranging from drug giants like Eli Lilly and Pfizer to the insurer United Health Group.

The exact value of each investment, however, wasn't itemized, and the size of the fund was simply described as larger than $1 million, a limitation of the FEC reporting system.

With such a broad portfolio, Romney's blue-chip holdings touch nearly every imaginable political issue, from oil companies such as Exxon that are being targeted for tax increases by Democrats to federally backed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that some Republicans want to end.

@bcwc....Willard is a money making (grubbing) wizzard.....We can all be sure that won't change....and as a Presidential Candidate, all of a sudden he's ashamed of his one talent!

Two talents.

Making money and lying incessantly.

That's two talents :)

Three, if you think about it.

Making money, lying, and tax evasion.

Hey, I heard there's a warrant for him in Italy on tax evasion.

And since he won't release his US returns...and 71% chance he's lying when he says he payed his taxes...

odds say he didn't.

So yeah. Three talents.

Money, lying, tax evasion (is that theft?)

Money, lying, theft

I like the ring of that trio.

Caesar, put the laser toy down, it will blind your right eye. The other toy you overplayed with has already blinded your left eye

We hit Mars pretty solidly with that rover, Cesar. Can't say he missed the mark there.

As for lasers, my laser right now is pointed at the shell of the once-great republican party.

We, at least, know enough to keep our far left on a leash.

Your far right is driving the bus.

So let's talk more about that Economy, man!

LASERS!

Did you hear that the Republican party voted to keep up farm and petroleum subsidies? SMALL GOVERNMENT LASERS!

Or that the Republicans approved another aircraft carrier? The Ford! for a measly 13.5 Billion (hull-cost only)...MORE SMALL GOVERNMENT LASERS!

Or the recent anti-abortion legislation? MORE SMALL GOVERNMENT LASERS!

Or that we attacked two countries and spent trillions there? MORE SMALL GOVERNMENT LASERS!

Or that Paul ryan just got caught soliciting stimulus funds in 2010? SMALL GOVERNMENT LASERS ON THE WAY!

Why do your small government lasers cost so much money, Mr. republican? And why is that money lost and doesn't contribute one iota to the economy in a lasting fashion? Or at least take care of disadvantaged people?

Man, any more of this small government and we'll have to raise taxes to pay for the interest-alone.

Oh, right. They're fiscally conservative because they -said- so.

And lie.

71% of the time.
And did you hear?

Chances are it was John McCain who told Reid about Romney's lack of taxes.

Man, getting rickrolled by your own party.

SMALL GOVERNMENT LASERS, POINT AND FIRE!

Thanks Mark Murray! Your article makes the distinction clear.

Traditional Medicare and or Advantage IS where the government guarantees a level of coverage.

The Romney/Ryan plan would allow the government to decide what amount they would pay (VOUCHER) towards Medicare. The difference would be up to the individual to pay out of pocket.

Vouchers for everything under Republicans. Think "bread lines."

When Ryan lies his nose gets even bigger ! The GOP's plan to to end Medicare and Social Security as we know it ..That way the wealthy can pay even less in Taxes !

RSR,

I haven't even started on you, but I'm feeling the urge.

If Obama's talent is lying, give me a number. Any number.

We know Cesar can't do some basic math, comparing 8% vs. 18%, but surely you can. Right?

Romney tells the truth as often as he pays taxes. Rarely, and in little bits and pieces.

Hey, did you hear about Haliburton getting sued for corruption? That's awesome. Apparently happened on Bush's watch...Bush...Cheney...Haliburton..wow, that's a pretty ready connection, isn't it?

Henpecked? Dunno what it means. You must be using some of that French that Romney used when he Dodged the Draft. Is that where henpecked is from? France? Draft Dodging? Republicans love their Draft Dodgers, dishonorable dischargers, and AWOL-ers. Way to wave the flag!

Stooge sounds like more Draft Dodging Romney-esqueness. What is a Stooge? Did you get that from team Romney? If you did, there's a 71% chance that it's a lie.

Making money, lying, and tax evasion.

Hey, any one of those great talents should warrant, at least an investigation!

...then if they are all tied together (which they would be).....Felony Charges!

Yeah.

In Italy.

I hear the SEC isn't happy...nor is the MA registrar of voters and FPCC.

Methinks he lied to them, too.

teknishan

RSR,

I haven't even started on you, but I'm feeling the urge.

Uh oh, you know what that means. Yeah pretty much nothing. Hot air and false bravado LOL

Medicare ends up paying the private plans MORE per enrollee -- about 7% more -- than the fee-for-service program does.

Just so we have this right. Romney/Ryan make the claim Medicare is unsupportable, so the answer is to dump future Medicare recipients into a system that cost more and the government will pay less. Good plan. What other stellar plans do you have to save the country from financial ruin?

314159?

I see another lie.

You must be voting Romney.

98%?

Another lie.

At what point do you stop lying?

Ever?

And where is your defense of Mitt? Non-existent?

Or is his small government laser supporting your welfare state also?

Did he just small government some subsidies to you?

He, obviously, hasn't small-governmented some education to you. That's too bad.

But hey, nice picture. Love it. That joker thing...that's great.

I guess that would make Romney the Riddler, right?

Since, riddle me this, how much money has romney avoided paying taxes on?

Dont_carry_it_all

Thanks Mark Murray! Your article makes the distinction clear.

For liberals yes he did. For real people not by a long shot.

I just skip through Teknishans crap, its just like "trust me". or like this article, janky at best

Vouchers for everything under Republicans. Think "bread lines."

'Bread lines' is to generous, it implies an actual serving of carbs. More like a soup kitchen serving boiled water flavored with Italian Shoe Leather Sole ala Romney/Ryan or as an alternative, boiled water enhanced with Ms. Romney T-Shirt.

I still haven't heard one peep from conservatives on the question I have posed the last three days - how does it enhance the economy of the country by forcing retirees into the streets or my forcing them to pay 2-3 times more for medical coverage? Seems the answer to that is a bit to complicated to wrap their little minds around that little ole question.

Red -- Lol. Great question. Keep asking it.

Ceasar -- Not feeling the love on this board? LOL You don't have to stick around these boards, this being a free country and all.

Hey,Redsoxsuxs,you're dumber than a box of rocks.YANKEES RULE the EAST........

LOL mark, medicare advantage was supposed to be eliminated by obama as part of the transferring of multiple billions of dollars ($236 billion comes to mind) from medicare to obamacare. I had to laugh when the democrat controlled congress reversed itself by not eliminating it. Seems that to many seniors decided it was worth keeping and last I heard enrollment is increasing. Makes me wonder what these seniors know that you don't?

The real bottom line is that the current medicare program is not sustainable and changes need to be made. Like any political fiscal plan, the ryan medicare plan is not likely to be passed in its present form, but a bipartisan supported plan must be passed to ensure its sustainability. The ryan plan is just one possibility.Too bad the left just wants to ignore it with lip service only. Like bernie sanders implied recently..."why worry if it is not knocking at the door" (paraphrased)

Red dev,,,

An even better question is how will obamas voucher system for obamacare be any better than ryans medicare vouchers?

Or how about this... With obamacare's low penalty threshhold and it stating that penalties are unlikely to be pursued by the IRS just how many individuals will be willing to pay several times the penalty cost on insurance premiums and copays?

It will be interesting to see how the insurers will apply pre-existing conditions to premiums and what they consider a pre-existing condition to be. You know, I just broke my leg so give me insurance or a chronic condition like heart disease.

Actually to answer your question...

how does it enhance the economy of the country by forcing retirees into the streets or my forcing them to pay 2-3 times more for medical coverage?

A rather inane question really; since the current medicare system doesn't enhance the economy either. You must think that government limits on healthcare reimbursements are great contributors to economic growth or that everyone seeking medical care will always pay what the healthcare providers bill them for.

Best start thinking about raising the FICA rates if you expect medicare to continue or lowering the expectations for what medicare provides. Perhaps that is to much for your little mind to wrap itself around?

Mitt and Ryan's plans will cost seniors more, but will give insurers more profits, and at the same time can't guarantee anything when the market goes bust. When the market goes bust, some of the private insurers can go under or just disappear. Remember we are in a recession, the worst since the Great Depression, thanks to the perfect market. For better or worse, the government is always there. US government-administered Medicare has been less costly than private plans - facts speak for themselves.

So, I am confused about whether Mitt and Ryan are running for president, or are they just running to be the vulture-in-chief of a profit-seeking, throwing-your-granny-under-the-bus private sector.

How many of you posters really understand your current options when you are eligible for Medicare (if you aren't at that age already)? Part A (hospitalizaion) is automatic. Part B (for which you have to pay a premium out of your SS or pension) is now, I believe, over $100/mo. (it was $96.40 three years ago when I became eligible and opted out of it.) Part C is Medicare Advantage and can only be obtained in conjunction with Part B and is an ADDITIONAL premium (that can be as much as $500/mo. more according to some people...we can't get Part C in the territories.) This is what the ACA cuts back payments on as a federal support of the premium. Part D prescription coverage is also tied to having Part B and is also an additional premium, with deductibles, co-pays, etc. Some times Parts B/C/D can run a senior as much as $700/mo or more, depending on the Part C options they choose. Have you looked to see what your choices are going to be yet? Or have you just sat back thinking that you are going to be taken care of when you reach 65? Ryan's plan is even worse (and Romney's not fully announced plan maybe even more so) than the current plan.

The truth about Medicare is coming out, and just before the Republican convention.

Romney is the least transparent and least experienced Republican candidate in decades.

Romney bad Obama good

Right! Now I understand. Just like, Romneycare good, Obamacare bad. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I thought we were trying to retire Medicare Advantage because it was less efficient and more convoluted than the straight forward socialist version this commie pinko liberal opted for. Now Advantage is perking up again in a number of way. First, from my drug pushing diabetes doctor when I complained that the insulin she was prescribing was only covered if sold as a complex expensive hard to use pen delivery system. The vials were not covered and out of pocket priced at about $300 a month. She suggested Medicare Advantage which really puzzled me. Now I read that Mitt and company are going to try and steer senior health care in that direction. Why does capitalism get such a thrill over ripping people off?

Romney, Ryan, and Republicans are not telling seniors the true. The savings achieved in Medicare through the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) would help stabilize Medicare by eliminating overpayments to private insurances, hospital, and pharmaceutical that encourages greater efficiency. As a result, the law extends the life of the Medicare trust fund by eight years and allows seniors to retain all of their guaranteed Medicare benefits. Medicare beneficiaries are already paying less for prescription drug coverage--Pharmaceutical manufacturers are required to provide a 50% discount on prescriptions filled in the Medicare Part D coverage gap. Seniors have already saved $3.5 billion on prescription drug costs thanks to the Affordable Care Act provision and receiving preventive care as a result of the law, while enrollment in Medicare Advantage has increased and premiums have fallen. The law, in other words, does exactly the opposite of Republicans claim: it expands Medicare “as we know it.” ACA do not take money out of Medicare beneficiary but it stabilize the Medicare program and it adds 8 years to Medicare life, and that is the fact that Republican try to spin and lie about it.

If Romney repeals the ACA, it would bring back the Medicare-doughnut hole and have seniors pay 50% more for their prescription drug and health prevention services. Also, Romney would eliminate 8 years Medicare life that Mr. Obama instilled it into the program.

Romney & Ryan would take $716 billion dollars out of Medicare beneficiary and convert Medicare into a voucher / coupon and have seniors pay $6400 out of pocket and receive less medical services, in order to pay for millionaires and billionaires tax cut. Therefore, Mr. Romney & Ryan Medicare plan do not control cost or extend the life of Medicare but shorter the life of Medicare “as we know it. “

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755822/ns/msnbc_tv-the_ed_show/#48683300

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/2012/08/whew_romneyryan_agree_on_medic.html

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/2012/08/the_romney-ryan_700b_disagreem.html

Ryan’s plan under the Path To Prosperity would end Medicare as an insurance program that directly pays medical bills for the elderly. It would be replaced with a fixed subsidy which seniors may use to buy competing private and public insurance policies on an exchange. If the value of the subsidy does not keep up with the growth of health care costs, seniors would make up the cost and pay higher medical bills.

The Congressional Budget Office projects that Ryan’s plan would raise seniors’ out-of-pocket expenses by $6,500 per year and received less medical services according to CBO.

source: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/difference-between-paul-ryan-barack-obama-medicare.php

BTW, Romney said on 60 minutes: “My plan for Medicare is very similar or identical to Paul Ryan plan for Medicare" which means it will turn into a coupon, so insurance corporations can increase their bottom line, since they are people, my friends.

How do you save Medicare by turning it into a coupon program and have seniors pay an extra $6,400 out of pocket and get less medical services, while is given 10 trillion dollars tax cut to millionaires and billionaires, and over $40 billion dollars subsidize to oil industry? Is that a real solution? BTW, Washington Post & Paul Krugman have said that Ryan & Romney are fiscal phony whose tax cut for super rich would create 5 trillion dollars in federal deficit in 10 years, while Mr. Obama would save 2.5 trillion dollars in the same period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWyk-Mr6cfc&feature=player_embedded

Obama has:

Signed the NDAA bill into law allowing the assassination of any us citizen without trial

Allowed 30,000 Spy drones to be flown over American skies

Sued states he was SWORN to Protect.

Obama has signed over 1000 Executive Orders since he took office (Thanks to that, it's now illegal to collect rain water)

Obama has killed hundreds of innocent people (including 3 Americans) with drone strikes he has ordered in Pakistan And Yemen.

Obama has raised the National debt Nearly $5 TRILLION.

Obama by-passed congress to enable the Dream Act allowing 1 Million ILLEGAL aliens to become legal citizens (thanks to those he allowed to become citizens, they have committed 19 murders and 142 sex crimes)

Lied About all of His 2008 Campaign Promises Including the One Where He said he campaigned in 57 states.

Google Search "Dreams from my REAL father" and you'll see, Obama's father was a failed communist who's dream was to DESTROY America, at age 18, Obama went to a MARXIST school.

Mitt Romney wouldn't be much different from Obama.

Vote for a Third-Party candidate and hope for the Best.

TO: F6Zman who wrote:

"Obama has: Signed the NDAA bill into law..."

One thing I say about President Obama, he's not trying to rip off the American People the way Republicans are.

Everytime Republicans open their mouth, they're trying to scam the American People out of our money.

Obama/Biden 2012

Lets review class,

Republican dogma (which was easily run over by a GM karma) says government can do nothing as well as private corporations. As the article states traditional Medicare is 7% less expensive than Advantage. In the ACA the drug companies, the hospitals and others agreed to cuts in order to have more paying customers.

Republicks also believe in outsourcing everything, because again government can't do anything as well as the private sector. Have you looked at the private prison industry lately? Halliburton, Blackwater, outsourcing security, they're so much better than the military and believe me the GI's resented Blackwater people getting paid exorbitantly in Iraq. They will outsource all the way to China.

This is the crux of 716B in savings to Medicare from Obama's plan, they cut out the middle man, the insurance companies. The CBO says the ACA reduces the projected deficits going forward. Medicare, however, is useless if in the years before you're eligible you don't have access to preventive healthcare. This is the hole the ACA covers, and if medical experts are to be believed, how the ACA will further reduce Medicare's costs.

When the Republicks say they want to drown the government in a bathtub, they're really talking about drowning us. Do not elect someone to an institution who's stated goal is to destroy it. They complain government is corrupt (Kstreet/Delay) and inefficient (FEMA), and as the facts show, when they are elected they set about proving their premise, to our detriment. They say de-regulate, and we are left with another republican depression.

O and Joe in 2012.

Thanks Kelly-Independent for clarifying some key points. I just got my Medicare card because I turned 65 in Aug-and I have to eventually get B and D when I eventually retire with a supplemental health insurance as well-when I retire. While I'm still working my work medical insurance covers me-though if you are about to turn 65 and still working you have to sign up for Medicare.

The Romney/Ryan smoke and vapors are trying to cover up the facts. It will hurt seniors.

Do not vote for the Romney/Ryan ticket in November.

Bouncer -310407

"The Romney/Ryan smoke and vapors are trying to cover up the facts. It will hurt seniors. '

I wish more of the voting public would try to educate themselves on some of the serious issues we are facing now as a country. I really get a charge out of reading some of these posts whether they mimic talking points from the right or left side of political spectrum. That being said, I would like to weight in on the current topic of Medicare, Medicare Advantage plans and since everyone is also talking about the Ryan Plan, here are some cold hard FACTS about all three.

FACT

Government Medicare has 2 parts to it:

Medicare Part A (Hospital Insurance) helps cover inpatient care in hospitals, as well as skilled nursing facility, hospice, and home health care. Part A is free when eligible, although there is an $1156.00 co pay per benefit year on stays of 1-60 days.

Medicare Part B (Medical Insurance) helps cover doctor and other health care provider's services, outpatient care, durable medical equipment, home health care, and some preventive services. Optional with monthly costs ranging from $99.90 a month to $259.70 a month, a sliding scale based on income levels. Out of pocket costs will vary due to the fact that you have a co-pay connected with services. An emergency room visit:

You pay a co payment for each eemergency department visit and a co-pay for each hospital service. You also pay 20% of the Medicare-approved amount for the doctor's services. But, if you're admitted to the same hospital for a related condition within 3 days of your emergency department visit, you don't pay the co-pay because your visit is part of your inpatient stay.

There are also 2 other parts under the Medicare "umbrella"

Medicare Part C (Medicare Advantage Plan) A type of Medicare health plan offered by a private company that contracts with Medicare to provide you with all your A and B benefits. Most offer prescription drug coverage.

Medicare Part D (Drug coverage) Another private service plan offered by an independent drug company contracted with Medicare. Monthly premiums will vary with provider and carries a "tiered" drug deductible. (cost based on the expense of either a name brand or generic substitute)

Keep in mind that Medicare coverage is based on 3 factors:

1. Federal and state laws.
2. National coverage decisions made by Medicare about whether something is covered.
3. Local coverage decisions made by companies in each state that process claims for Medicare. These companies decide whether something is medically necessary and should be covered in their area.

I have added this to dispel the myth that private insurance companies are the ONLY ones able to deny coverage in regards to your health coverage.

http://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare-costs/index.html

Even though I also have VA coverage, the proximity of the closest hospital is such that it would put an undo burden on my wife if I were to be hospitalized. Having previously used the V.A. for services, while care is fine, I found that appts. waiting times and shuffling from clinic to hospital to see different doctors was a little tiresome for my tastes. Besides, since I also have a Medicare supplement plan, I would rather not take the place in line for a fellow vet who's only option for health care coverage may be the V.A. In my Advantage Plan I have a fixed yearly out of pocket expense for any medical coverage. This has easily saved me thousands over the last 2 years due to an unexpected bout with pulmonary emboli (multiple blood clots in the lungs)

Ryans Plan for Medicare overhaul:

FACT

Medicare

Under Ryan’s budget, the Medicare program would remain the same as under current law for everyone enrolled before 2023. Two changes would be made for those who become eligible in 2023 or later:

1) Beginning in 2023, the chairman’s plan increases the eligibility age for Medicare by two months per year until it reaches 67 in 2034.

2) Ryan’s budget introduces a competitive bidding system, backstopped by a cap on per beneficiary growth of 0.5 percentage points faster than the economy (GDP+0.5%). This reform is very similar to the proposal that he advanced in December 2011 with Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), except that the annual growth cap is now set at GDP+0.5% instead of GDP+1%.

Seniors would be able to choose between traditional fee-for-service Medicare (FFS) and various private healthcare plans on a newly established, regulated Medicare Exchange, similar in structure to those created by the ACA. In each region, healthcare plans would be paid based on the cost of the second-least expensive approved private plan or FFS, whichever is less costly, risk-adjusted for the health status of their enrollees. The cost of this plan would establish the “benchmark” government payment in each locality. Therefore, the amount that the government contributes would be tied to the cost of health care in a given area.

Beneficiaries who choose to enroll in a plan that is more expensive than the benchmark – even if that plan is FFS – would be required to pay the incremental additional cost. A beneficiary who enrolls in the least-expensive approved plan would be rebated the full difference in cost from the benchmark.

Additionally, if costs per enrollee continued to grow faster than the cap of GDP+0.5%, seniors would have to pay an additional premium to make up the difference. For reference, CBO projects Medicare to grow at GDP+0.8% per beneficiary from 2023-2032 and GDP+1.7% thereafter under current law, which assumes that the cuts from the ACA remain in place and are effective.

Ryan’s budget does not propose to prevent the 27-percent cut to physicians’ payments under Medicare that is scheduled to be imposed in calendar year 2013. This automatic cut resulting from the sustainable growth rate (SGR) mechanism installed in the 1990s has been avoided in recent years by providing offsetting deficit reduction – referred to as the “doc fix.” The chairman’s budget does not include such a “doc fix,” and thus would allow these cuts to occur.

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/2012/03/paul-ryan%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget-details

Now if you do the math correctly, this will only affect people who are 55 yrs old as of today or younger, so anyone stating that his proposal will "hurt" seniors, well, is either being ignorant or uninformed about the subject or simply mimicking talking point of misinformation in order to try to secure the "scare vote". We have seen it in ALL of the budget debates, "social security checks and military checks won't go out if this raise in the budget is not enacted". (I use the word budget loosely, seeing as we haven't had one in 3 1/2 yrs.) Why either side would want to strike terror into the hearts of senior citizens and our fighting men is beyond reprehensible.

Unfortunately for all of us, something has to be done about the solvency of all programs offered by the Government, Top to bottom.

GET INFORMED-GET EDUCATED, then cast your vote.

This election could be more "historic" than the last.

Thanks for the synopsis. Another issue is that under Obama-care $716 billion will be cut from Medicare. Since this decreases payments to doctors and hospitals, 43% of doctors surveyed said they would stop accepting Medicare under the Obama/Democrat proposal. This means more difficulty under Obama's system for seniors to find medical care or to be seen in a timely fashion.

Have any proof for that, Bruce? Of course not, because it's just another Conservative lie. Here's where the savings really comes from;

Reducing the extra cost of Medicare Advantage plans

In 2009:

• 78% of seniors were enrolled in a traditional Medicare plan (A or B)
• 22% were enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan offered by private insurers (MA)

Private insurance companies are paid from the government's Medicare Trust Fund.

The federal government pays at least $1,000 more per person for the same benefits from a private MA plan than a traditional Medicare plan. Some MA plans provide extra benefits, such as eyeglasses or hearing aids. They are not required to continue this.

The extra money spent on these plans affects everyone. That's because everyone's Medicare premiums are increased to cover the extra cost of Medicare Advantage plans. Over time, the ACA will reduce payments to MA plans until Medicare spends about the same amount on seniors in traditional Medicare plans and seniors with Medicare Advantage plans. This will save Medicare money and help preserve the Trust Fund for future generations. Medicare Advantage plans may not cut guaranteed benefits or increase Medicare Part B premiums above the legal amount.

Encouraging health care provider productivity

How much Medicare pays your doctors is increased each year to cover inflation. In 2010 the rate was increased less than the amount of inflation to encourage doctors to be more efficient in how they provide healthcare.

The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation is working to help doctors with this. The Center is researching, developing and testing new payment systems. Their goal is to find a system that best coordinates care between health care providers.

Increasing money to fight Medicare fraud

Some health care providers bill Medicare illegally for unneeded or unperformed services. Doing this is fraud, which is a crime. The ACA will increase efforts to find fraud and get the money back.

Creating an Independent Payment Advisory Board

The ACA creates the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). The Board recommends how Medicare can save money to continue providing care for future generations. The IPAB's suggestions for saving must be about better ways to pay providers. It cannot recommend:

• Rationing your care
• Changing your benefits
• Eligibility
• How much you pay out-of-pocket

Freezing the high income amounts that cause some seniors to pay higher Part B premiums

Seniors pay the standard Medicare monthly premium if their income is

• Above 120% of the federal poverty level (FPL), and
• Below the high-income threshold (in 2011 it is $85,000 for individuals and $170,000 for couples).

Seniors with high incomes ($85,000 for individuals and $170,000 for couples) pay higher monthly premiums. In the past the income amounts have increased every year to cover inflation. However, from 2011-2019 the high income amounts will stay at the 2010 levels. This means that any seniors whose income increases above those amounts will have to pay higher premiums. This may affect about 2% of seniors.

http://reform.healthfoundation.org/changes-that-save-medicare-money

This is an interesting discussion. The Medicare Advantage plans benefit lower and middle income beneficiaries. Many of these members cannot afford the $40 rx plan plus the Med Supp plan can run anywhere from $70-200 per month. If you do not have a Medicare Supp the part A Deductible is $1,132 Part B Deductible is $162 annually and 20% after the ded with no annual maximum.

The lower income people can have a med advantage policy that has no premium, low hospital and Dr office co-pays, and the RX card included at no additional charge. Plus they have an annual out of pocket max. The only requirement is you have to pay part B premium.

Fresboy, wrong. Read this "

Freezing the high income amounts that cause some seniors to pay higher Part B premiums

Seniors pay the standard Medicare monthly premium if their income is

• Above 120% of the federal poverty level (FPL), and
• Below the high-income threshold (in 2011 it is $85,000 for individuals and $170,000 for couples).

Seniors with high incomes ($85,000 for individuals and $170,000 for couples) pay higher monthly premiums. In the past the income amounts have increased every year to cover inflation. However, from 2011-2019 the high income amounts will stay at the 2010 levels. This means that any seniors whose income increases above those amounts will have to pay higher premiums. This may affect about 2% of seniors."

Now, think of what you have typed. Where do you get your comment from?

Get it now!!!!!!! Viet Vet.

Also Romney wants to repeal ACA which makes it illegal for private insurance companies to deny patients with pre-existing conditions. That will be gone and private insurers will be able to deny seniors who are the most ill. The privatizing of medicare will end up hurting low and middle income seniors while giving all of the medicare money to the high income seniors. It is just another give away to the 1 percent. Republicans will come up with their schemes to keep the gravy train flowing to the 1 percent.

So what happens under RomneyCare? Those with high medical expenses get dropped by their Private Insurance Provider as "unprofitable" and go directly to the Traditional Medicare Plan. Private Insurers' loss their "deficit" and the Federal Government (Medicare) gain a deficit........ And you think 760 billion is a lot? Wait till we have to pick-up all the "uninsurables" from Private Plans.

Medicare is supposed to help seniors, not yet another vulturing moment for RomneyHood.

We the Middle Class have no connection with Mitt the Vulture. He just makes more money by sending jobs overseas, and also sends his money overseas to avoid taxes.

The middle class, if lucky, only have a roof over the head, and a paycheck, both of which government has total control in taxing.

How can the middle class, the largest segment of the society, support this RomneyHood, with Ryan on board recently, a duo called Badman and Ruffian.

How come it is that when Republicans talk about "preserving or protecting" something they are really just trying to cut it entirely.

MSNBC.... Lying by Omission ios STILL a LIE!

Why have you NOT reported THIS Story?

After ten months of investigating Obama campaign bundler and former MF Global chief Jon Corzine’s role in the loss of $1.6 billion of customer funds, the New York Times is reporting that Eric Holder’s Department of Justice is unlikely to file any criminal charges against Corzine or top MF Global executives.

NOBAMA2012..... send the CRIMINALS Back to Chicago!

John Corzine ran a Private company in which investors took their chances and LOST. Why should the government get involved?

Historically, Medicare Advantage gave all "advantage" to the Health Insurance companies to pocket more of the Government funding meant for Seniors Health Care contributing to greater fraud and waste before Obama shifted those funds to ACA. This is why Obama rightly shifted the $716 billion in Government funding to ACA (Affordable Care Act) guaranteeing no reductions in coverage under Title 18 within ACA. Thereby, extending the solvency of Medicare. Not vice versa like Republicans lie about............

Romney/Ryan will lose this argument..........

Obama/Biden 2012

I am Senior Citizen on Medicare, I am voting for Romney/Ryan because they are protecting Seniors and looking to save Medicare. Obamacare simply steals money from Medicare!

Romney/Ryan 2012 No more lies from Obama!

Nancy, the savings won't come out of your benefits. The "stealing money from Medicare" line is a distortion. Here is where the savings are really coming from;

Reducing the extra cost of Medicare Advantage plans

In 2009:

• 78% of seniors were enrolled in a traditional Medicare plan (A or B)
• 22% were enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan offered by private insurers (MA)

Private insurance companies are paid from the government's Medicare Trust Fund.

The federal government pays at least $1,000 more per person for the same benefits from a private MA plan than a traditional Medicare plan. Some MA plans provide extra benefits, such as eyeglasses or hearing aids. They are not required to continue this.

The extra money spent on these plans affects everyone. That's because everyone's Medicare premiums are increased to cover the extra cost of Medicare Advantage plans. Over time, the ACA will reduce payments to MA plans until Medicare spends about the same amount on seniors in traditional Medicare plans and seniors with Medicare Advantage plans. This will save Medicare money and help preserve the Trust Fund for future generations. Medicare Advantage plans may not cut guaranteed benefits or increase Medicare Part B premiums above the legal amount.

Encouraging health care provider productivity

How much Medicare pays your doctors is increased each year to cover inflation. In 2010 the rate was increased less than the amount of inflation to encourage doctors to be more efficient in how they provide healthcare.

The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation is working to help doctors with this. The Center is researching, developing and testing new payment systems. Their goal is to find a system that best coordinates care between health care providers.

Increasing money to fight Medicare fraud

Some health care providers bill Medicare illegally for unneeded or unperformed services. Doing this is fraud, which is a crime. The ACA will increase efforts to find fraud and get the money back.

Creating an Independent Payment Advisory Board

The ACA creates the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). The Board recommends how Medicare can save money to continue providing care for future generations. The IPAB's suggestions for saving must be about better ways to pay providers. It cannot recommend:

• Rationing your care
• Changing your benefits
• Eligibility
• How much you pay out-of-pocket

Freezing the high income amounts that cause some seniors to pay higher Part B premiums

Seniors pay the standard Medicare monthly premium if their income is

• Above 120% of the federal poverty level (FPL), and
• Below the high-income threshold (in 2011 it is $85,000 for individuals and $170,000 for couples).

Seniors with high incomes ($85,000 for individuals and $170,000 for couples) pay higher monthly premiums. In the past the income amounts have increased every year to cover inflation. However, from 2011-2019 the high income amounts will stay at the 2010 levels. This means that any seniors whose income increases above those amounts will have to pay higher premiums. This may affect about 2% of seniors.

http://reform.healthfoundation.org/changes-that-save-medicare-money

As for "trying to save Medicare" that's just a talking point. Retirement is on the horizon for me but I'm outside the window where Medicare will be "protected." For me the Romney/Ryan plan is really bleak. Not enough years to make up for the lack of Medicare/Social Security benefits they'd allow. My grandparents were terrified of their senior years because they remember old people often being destitute before Social Security. The Republicans are working hard to bring those days back.

future me, too, Amy and not so distant!

is a defined benefit (where the government guarantees a level of coverage), while the Romney-Ryan plan transforms Medicare into a defined contribution (where the government decides what it will pay).

That is the scariest line there. The defined contribution where R&R, if they get things there way will do the defining of what the government will pay. I don't want them touching anything .. the tax code, welfare, OR Medicare!

Obama/Biden 2012!

President Obama's actual LAW to reduce the cost of Medicare does exactly the opposite of what Romney/Ryan want to do.

The ACA took money out of the hands of insurance companies (Medicare Advantage), hospital waste & provider fraud and put it back into guaranteed coverages for the elderly users.

Romney/Ryan want to take Medicare money from the government and put more if it into private insurance companies hands.

Oh, and don't forget that they will also make cuts to Medicaid, student loans, and food assistance programs while also giving the wealthy a 30% tax cut.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

ZOMBIES for ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 !!!!

I am a Senior and know several Seniors who have the Medicare Advantage Plan. It looks like a good solution because it costs less however you get much less in Benefits. Yes you can get Gym Fees, hearing saids etc but what happens if you really get sick?

You can go to the Emergency room of a not-for profit Hospital and they will provide you with the necessary care however (I) am paying the Hospital bill. If you don't pay the bill someone else has to pay. If you go to a For Profit Hospital they will refuse to provide the necessary service. They will stablize you and transfer you to a Comunity Hospitial ie a Non-Profit Hospital.

The Medicare Advantage Plan is NOT medicare it is a specialized Insurance Plan partialy paid by the Government. The Ryan Plan is very close to the Medicare Advantage plan ie here is some money get your own insurance. To a Republican or a Bean counter that makes sense however don't get sick because you will soon find out how little insurance you really have because the Insurance Companies took the Premium and provided limited Benefits. This is the source of the massive refunds that you are hearing about where the Insurance Companies were keeping 30/35 percent of the Premium as profit and expenses NOT payment for services. The ACA forced them to return the excess profits.

Medicare Advantage is not an answer to the Medicare expense problem.

Seniors apparently have a lower number below the poverty line than families with children .

Seniors have far more health issues than families with children.

The Romney/Ryan middle income/lower income health plan: DIE, NOW !!!

ZOMBIES for ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 !!!!

Well, you have to understand that there are just too many "non-productive" people in the US today. So there needs to be a plan to weed them out of the population.

They say traditional medicare would remain but not in what form. Clearly they can't simply offer medicare as it stands and just add vouchers or it wouldn't save money that would only increase the cost. The medicare that Romney would offer probably wouldn't caver half what todays plan does.

Severed head in a Jar: "Well, you have to understand that there are just too many "non-productive" people in the US today. So there needs to be a plan to weed them out of the population"

Are you referring to senior citizens, the disabled, unemployed workers or welfare recipients??

Viet Viet-981266,

And former combat Vets (Viet, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, WW2, Korea) now burdened with so many problems after serving Republicans side with reducing their benefits???? Servered brain in suspended anamation.......

Former Somalia Combat Vet of the US Army 10th Mountain Division

here's an article I think you'd like:

"Strengthening Medicare"...:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/medicarefraudchart_printready_0.pdf

to help you understand, what the Affordable Healthcare Act..and what it has done to save,

Medicare, and healthcare for our seniors.

peace to all*

www.healthcare.gov is also an excellent site that contains the actual legislation and explanations.

Obamas, "cuts" are mostly negotiated discounts by hospitals and drug companies that realise having more people covered means fewer emergency room visits they don't get paid for and more able to buy medicine allowing drug companies to charge less for more people and still make the same money.

Skip

Whether you stay on the traditional plan or take the voucher option, Medicare guidelines still have to be adhered to.

History has proved that government bureaucracy is very inefficient and not competitive- have you seen the salary of an government employee,its about double of a private sector employee counter part.

Hi Feisty.

Ahhh... my dear old friend Leon!

Seeing you has made my day!

Hope everything is all good with you!

PS: I swore off the Morning-Joke show over a year ago! Better for the blood pressure! ;o)

Scarborough is just like Gregory, just blathers on longer.

I gave up a long time ago.

I do like Bill Press and Stephanie Miller on Current TV in the mornings.

can someone please check to see how much if any morning joe is contributing to romney's campaign?

I highly doubt that given that back in 2010 MSNBC suspended both Joe Scarborough and Keith Olbermann for contributing to Congressional Campaigns without obtaining permission from the network.

However, if you're truly interested, you can search here...

www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml

I don't believe Harry Reid is lying - I believe someone did leak Romney's tax information. It could be either McCain or Steve Schmidt. Schmidt did the Palin vetting for McCain so it stands to reason he saw Romney's secret, blind trust, not for "you people" tax returns.

Based on this administration's failure these past 4 years, it should seem clear to all that the Ryan plan would be better for ALL. It's for sure that Ryan is more versed on medicare than Obama or any of his advisers and most of all it was not crafted for the purpose of an agenda as it is in the Obama case. It's who do you trust the most, with changes to a program that will most likely affect us all in the future.

Feisty, did you mean The Morning Schmos?

Feisty, did you mean The Morning Schmos?

LOL!

The jerk is bad enough, but the blond bobble-head next to him is impossible to take seriously! ☺

smile when you say that.

jeffery

Its obvious you have not seen any of the plan and so you put on nothing but spin spin.

Check Kaiser health news article- Romney on health care, it will give a good summary for starters.

How is lewd conduct at DHS reflective of Obama?

Name an administration that a total control how federal workers behave.

I am definitely better off than I was 4 years ago. I would be even better off if the GOP had actually done their jobs instead of obstructing everything our President tried to accomplish.

The best way to fix our situation is to vote as many of the obstructionist in the Republican party out as possible in November!

Oh, and I work - have never had to draw unemployment but I won't put those down who do. The economy has caused problems for many people and this is the time we pull together to help those less fortunate. It's the American way!

Obama/Biden 2012

What about the harry reid obstructionist that has declared anything from the House of Representatives DOA upon receipt in the Senate and it will not even be brought to the floor for discussion. How about no budget for going on 4 years in violation of the constitution. How about spending us into oblivion so the welfare state can exist? You liberals make me sick. Everyone else is wrong but liberals and democrats. Wake up. Where is the transparency? Where are to line by line cuts of waste out of the government spending? Where is the one America person in the white house? Where is the leader in the white house?

drkangel: 4 years ago, AUGUST 2008, the company I was with for many years closed its doors for the last time. I was one of over 100 employees who was without a job, without health insurance, without the ability to have Cobra and looking at the prospect of not being able to find anything because companies were closing left and right and jobs were becoming more and more scarce.

Now, 4 years later, yes, I am better off than I was four years ago. I have a good job with a good company which is unlikely to close. It took six months to find something, and then I had to change to where I am now, but I am better off.

Now we all know that after slowly falling in later 2007 into 2008 the economy took a giant dive at the end of 2008 which lasted well into 2009 (technically.) The effects of the record level drop and low employment levels are still being felt.

While I would want everyone to be employed and full recovery to take place immediately, I know that has not happened. Because of the tax cut and spend policies of the President George W. Bush, the federal government did not have sufficient room in the budget to expand stimulus spending to the point to take the country to full recovery. As it is the TARP and ARRA spending did halt the dive and assisted the economy to turn around.

I think the better question for most people is, are things improving ? Has there been some recovery ? Do we want to go back to the policies which put the economy on a collision course with disaster ?

drkangel - sorry your reading comprehension skills are not up to snuff. Had you been able to understand what I wrote you would know I work and do not get any government assistance - though I don't fault anyone who does.

You'll find most honest working American are better off!

Try again and at least pretend to have a point!

Oh, don't bother - I'm off to do other things!

Obama/Biden 2012

(quoting drkangel) "What about the harry reid obstructionist that has declared anything from the House of Representatives DOA upon receipt in the Senate and it will not even be brought to the floor for discussion."

That's a lie. Bills have been passed and signed into law. Source: http ://www .whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation . Search through them. The ones that start with H.R. come from the House of Representatives.

Now if you are referring to the social agenda bills or the bills designed to defund PPACA that are allegedly "jobs bills" (or so claims the House) then yep, Sen. Reid has sat on them. Probably because he sees no need to waste taxpayer dollars or the Senate's time on bills that won't pass. Or maybe because of more than 140 bills that have not been allowed to get to the floor by the Republican minority.

Did you know that only 4 red states pay more taxes than they receive from Uncle Sam?

Did you know that only 5 blue states receive more from Uncle Sam than they pay in taxes.

The real welfare queens are republicons.

To..dkangel"""

Aren't medicare vouchers ...just food stamps for medical care

dkrangel

You're right that honest working Americans are not better off after 4 years of this failed presidency. Seekingsanity most probably has benefited from the rise in the stock market which is being manipulated by the Fed with the printing of the 2.3 trillion dollars during Obama's term. That's likey where he's coming from, for the time being....

kkwilson: I'm an honest working American and I am MUCH better off than i was four years ago...AND i've never been on government assistance (and im not looking down on those who do).

it kills me when you republiCANTs say this is a failed presidency, when its not. The same right wing hypocrites ranting about spending and the stimulus being ineffective, are the same ones who'd written letters to the president to get a piece of the pie! Now they want to lie about it? Paul Ryan had written two letters to Obama requesting funds, stating that the funds would create jobs. Obama gave him the funds and it helped his district. So clearly that was a failure right? WRONG.

I am a working the same job I had 4 years ago - and I am grateful to be working. But my health insurance went up, No raise though so I am making less. My property tax went up - I can't afford gas to anything fun because I have to get to work 5 days a week and gas is too expensive. My power bill is up, no cable - internet - etc. And I look at my grandkids and wonder what are we leaving them besides a country so far in debt and our credit rating downgraded. Yep - 4 more years of this kind of "change & hope" would be the worst thing that could happen.

beenthere406834: Not to make light of your struggles but, you still have a job right? And i guess Obama is to blame for the rich oil companies that contribute to the rising gas prices? I just dont understand, people want Obama to not spend money, cut the deficit, create jobs (which costs money), balance the budget in 3yrs, increase revenue but not raise taxes and oh yea, part the red sea? Forget politics, its not economically possible to do this all at once.

And Obama did bring change and hope to those 50 million Americans without health care and kept millions in there homes by renegotiating mortgages to prevent foreclosure. Its funny how people easily forget.

Newyorker21

If you want to see what this administration (Obama) is doing to America, I suggest you take-in the movie 2016 which is in theaters starting today. I think it will enlighten you on the American Dream you think you are having. Don't be stupid to what is happening to your Country.

DK angel: Most people with a job are better off under Obama than Bush. Was your 401K when DOW hit a low of 6400 under Bush or the 7900 when he left office better than the 1300+ it is now? Unlikely. My 403B is worth over twice what it was when we finally got rid of Bush, thank god. Though Obama is adding jobs slowing they are going up not the 760,000 a month loss under Bush.

If redistribution of wealth is wrong why does Romney fight so hard to do it? It's Romney fighting to lower the top tax rate from 35% to 25% and pay for it by eliminating middle class breaks not the other way around. Why is Romneys tax breaks that allow him to pay a rate of 14% good and those that allow a middle class family to pay a similar or higher rate bad? Final question, If Romney and Ryan making what they are are only paying 14% and 15% under current tax laws why do they need to lower them?

A Musical Impulse;

I assumed that you know that spending bills originate in the House. So Mr. Obama has not slashed NASA's budget. My bad assumption.

ABC fact check???? What an oxy-MORON as yourself to even believe that or have the stupidity to print it!

I heard my medicare premium for Part B will be going up approx $30.00 per month in 2013 and then in 2014 it will double to over $240.00 what a deal, this President hasn't told the truth about anything to do with his health plan and the economy . Did you know also, in Obamacare is a 3.8% sales tax starting in 2014 on the sale of your home, what does that have to do for health care, oh it is the good old socialist, just another tax as the government tells everyone what they can or cannot do, because your to stupid to make your own choices, so the government will be your protector. People please wake up, I'm not sure how the American people can be so blind to the actions of this liar-in-chief who has put this country another 5 trillion in debt in 4 years. What are our children and grand-children going to beable to have as we will be like Europe facing bankruptcy and I don't believe people in America know how good they have it here in America compared to any other country in the world and we have these people who want to destroy the American dream, and take away our freedoms and liberties, as we have the freedoms of choice, to be all we can be. Congress needs to work together to do what is right for the American people, our Founding Fathers were inspired but today laws don't mean anything as if we don't like it we just make an EO, our politicians need to set the example and we are seeing so much corruption it makes me sick to think these people are running our country. We need new leadership, as this one has failed. People again please open your eyes look at all the empty buildings as you drive down the road, it is hard to believe how many businesses have failed and this economy is still very fragile because of all the uncertainty with a President that his actions speak allot louder than his words which Joe Wilson was right " You Lie" that is what President Obama should put on his tee-shirt when he speaks.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

JohnI,

You heard that your medicare preminun for part B was going up $30. in 2013?

Here is the source you need to rely on.

www.medicare.gov

I don't think the 2013 cost is out yet. so anything you heard is speculation.

NorthStar, it is stated in Obamacare is my understanding , so if you know where it states what the premiums for part B in the law it should say what the premiums will be charged for 2013 and 2014.

John I

I stopped reading your post after the first 2 points (increase of $30 and 3.8% tax on home sales)

I heard my medicare premium for Part B will be going up approx $30.00 per month in 2013 and then in 2014 it will double to over $240.00 what a deal, this President hasn't told the truth about anything to do with his health plan and the economy . Did you know also, in Obamacare is a 3.8% sales tax starting in 2014 on the sale of your home, what does that have to do for health care.

Both are not true. I could point you to several sites, but I'll let you Google. One site was Forbes, not really known as a Liberal supporter. I believe they use the phrase "urban myth". I'm sure you heard it or read it somewhere, but you really have to fact check several sources - left and right prefer to "spin" the narrative, but a fact is a fact.

So John, what I'm getting is your already receiving medicare, otherwise how could your premium going be going up. Right? Your upset that your premiums are going up. Right? You are also opposed to paying taxes so that premiums don't have to go up. Right? Well how the helol do you think we are going to pay for your health care. Nothing is free! It makes me laugh how conservatives are always talking about liberals wanting things for free! LOL. Liberals just know that some things are necessary, and we also know they must be payed for. Conservatives want things, they just think they shouldn't have to pay for it!

awwapp.com/s/1d/b2/ca.html

Yeah your right. Steal steal and steal some more then lie lie lie about it. If you look at the numbers it 6.7 trillion more in deficit . More to the military. More tax on the middle class. More of the same old crap. Oh and why have the people let Grover a lobbyist interfere in our nations business when he is not an elected official. I think those who signed his pledge should be tried for treason. HE HAS AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NO RIGHT. HE IS A LOBBYIST. HE IS NOT PART OF THE GOVERNMENT OR AND ELECTED OFFICIAL. REMOVE THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED HIS PLEDGE AND CHARGE THEM WITH TREASON. IT IS AN ACT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT! DUMB @!$%#ING AMERICA GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOU ASS AND STOP BEING BITCHES TO PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO TAKE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY!

ITS THE TRUTH YOU MORON! Those are facts. Cant you read. The money doesn't add up again like the budget deficit bill didn't. Get a clue. I have never seen such idiots in my life. They should shove you into a ditch and fill it in for your stupidity. Simple math makes it so. Im so tired of being nice to idiots. Another little fact ! In right wing christian states their higher rates of STD, High school drop outs, Abortion, Suicide, Teen pregnancy and Drug abuse and yes alcohol is a drug. WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU? OH WAIT ITS ALL OBAMAS FAULT? YOUR A JOKE!

This is the result of over 40 years of failed right wing foreign and economic policies. TRICKLE DOWN NEVER DID!

What idiot start two wars they said cant be won with no money and clear data that says we are going broke. OH THE RIGHT WING DING BATS THAT THINK THEY ARE EVEN REPUBLICANS! PATHETIC!

Alain Deflandre

Do you know what the costs were based on. i think Obama promised not to bow down to the drug companies. How did that work out for you?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/73/allow-medicare-to-negotiate-for-cheaper-drug-price/

pissedoff

I have medicare advantage and it is a very well run program and Bush did not enact the advantage program.

Medicare advantage program started in 1972.