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GREER, SC -- Declaring "we are the ones that brought up" the topic of Medicare, Mitt Romney tried to pivot to offense on the topic of the popular entitlement program, telling reporters today that Americans have a "stark choice" between his vision and President Obama's.
Writing on a white board used as a prop, Romney sought to clarify the difference between the two campaigns' positions on Medicare. Obama's means bankruptcy, Romney said, casting his own path as one toward solvency.
Presumptive GOP candidate Mitt Romney breaks out the white board in Greenville, S.C., to compare his proposed plan for Medicare with that of President Obama's.
"My plan presents no change. My plan stays the same. No adjustments, no changes, no savings. The president’s plan cuts Medicare -- excuse me, well let’s see, I’ve got, there we go, by $716 billion cut," Romney said, scribbling on the board. "In addition, the trustees of Medicare estimate that approximately 4 million people will lose their coverage under Medicare Advantage. This is the plan they’ve chosen, the chose they prefer some 4 million current seniors will lose their Medicare Advantage plan."
Related: Campaign turns into Medicare debate
The differences, Romney argued, were "stark and dramatic," echoing advisers who, in the past several days, have telegraphed that the GOP nominee was set to go on the offensive on Medicare. "We’re going to get a lot of support from people who understand that Medicare should be protected for current seniors as well as for the next generation.”
Romney disputed that his plan for future seniors could be called a voucher system, and argued that it would create more choice and less government interference for younger workers who have not yet approached retirement. He said his plan would keep Medicare solvent by lowering costs through greater competition, and by indexing benefits to income levels, meaning higher income seniors would receive fewer benefits than those with greater need.
"The plan that I've put forward is a plan very similar to Medicare Advantage," Romney said. "It gives all of the next generation retirees the option of having either standard Medicare, a fee-for-service-type, government-run Medicare, or a private Medicare plan. They get their choice."
Evan Vucci / AP
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney points to a white board as he talks about Medicare during a news conference at Spartanburg International Airport Aug. 16.
Since the selection of Rep. Paul Ryan as Romney's running mate on Saturday, some Republicans have fretted that the younger congressman's own Medicare plan, which includes the same $716 billion in Medicare cuts that Romney decries, might be a distraction from Romney's core message on the economy. Romney disputed that too, calling Medicare a "big issue," that could sway seniors to the GOP ticket this fall.
“I think we are the ones that brought up the topic. I wanted to make sure that people understand what the president has done in welfare, what the president has done in Medicare," Romney said. "In both places he’s made pretty dramatic changes which I think the people of America will find illustrative of a very different point of view than I think most people have."
Romney also stuck by the fiery rhetoric he deployed on Tuesday night, when he called the Obama presidency "angry and desperate" to hold onto power.
"I think the American people are also disturbed with a campaign that's been as divisive as this campaign has been," accusing the Obama campaign and the vice president of tactics "unbecoming of the presidency."
Asked whether his own language, including telling supporters at rallies and fundraisers that the president does not understand America, contributed to the negative tone of the campaign, Romney did not respond, calling on another reporter to ask the next question.
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WOW!
Willard spares NO expense when it comes to erasable tools!
Nothing other than another Willard *trust me* *winky wink* moment!
Those who WHINE the LOUDEST are the most guilty!
Feisty, speaking of erasing tools you think Obama has some next to his Laser? For the debt that is?
If those that WHINE the LOUDEST are the most guilty, then you are the guiltiest person in the world! LMAO
Followed by the rest of the libbys.
LOL
isn't a whiteboard just a huge Etch-a-Sketch? Learn PowerPoint, like a grownup. Some business experience when he can't even handle MS Office tools...
I hear Glenn Beck's chalkboard of guilt by association is available.
'Romney opens Medicare offensive'?
...Mitt is thus offensive.
To Quote one of the GOP hero types Newt Gingrich
"I don't think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering. I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for free society to operate. I think we need a national conversation to get to a better Medicare system with more choices for seniors, but there are specific things you can do."
Wow, Willard wants to give Granny and Grampy a little voucher instead of the Medicare they've come to know and love.
Willard, how can you be so mean?
It's getting old everyone Right of Che Guevara is getting deleted.
Mitt uses a prop to explain...blah..blah.. Ryan tries to..blah..blah..
Seniors don't have the patience to get down to the devil called 'details.'
People form perceptions. and Perceptions matter...at the ballot box.
We the People have worked our whole life, but are incredulous to see that Badman and Ruffian try to end Medicare as we know it.
Badman and Ruffian in Self-destruction, anyone.
Isn't EVERYTHING Mitt says and does offensive? Just sayin....
Pigotry - "Mitt uses a prop to explain" Does that mean Paul was there too?
Obama/Biden 2012
I have been completely validated! The libbys got my post deleted! They can't handle the truth!
LMAO
How does that happen Redsox. I dont know how people are being deleted. it seems if you are not on Stalins good list you go bye bye. Didnt the libsrus guys have some 'strategy' planned to get people removed and posts deleted? Something smells like firecrotch
@ RedSuxRuin (#2.11)
...but a lot of libbies went down with you, too....right
That's exactly rightWingNutts' approach - destroy Medicare and bring the seniors down with them...talk about death panels!!
True Pigotry. I guess the other libbys must have seen how I was kicking butt and needed to hide that. LOL
Mitt was thinking to himself---wow, this is better than an Etch-a-Sketch because it is hard to do curves on the Etch-a-Sketch. (although with his experience changing positions, I'd think he'd be pretty good at it).
So Willard days his plan will not touch Medicare for those 55 and older. However, he just plans to screw everyone under 55. Nice Willard nice.
Only the Sock Puppets get deleted.
An Obama and his Laser
A fable published by the DNC
no Job, only those that arent friends of Hugo Chavez get deleted.
President Obama's Medicare cut reduces government reimbursement for hospitals - reduces government role - real conservatives should support this. Obama's plan does not cut seniors' benefits.
Romneyhood never mentions that.
Pres. Obama's plan projects to save $716 billions, and the Ryan budget relies on the same $716 cuts...but
Romneyhood has not mentioned that.
Romneyhood and Ryan duo sounds more like Badman and Ruffian.
Well that was stupid. Everyone knows the Democrats are the ones who protect trust funds like Social Security and Medicare. Everyone knows the Republicans have been trying to end these programs from day one of the New Deal.
The Romney/Ryan plan takes the $700 billion savings from over payment to providers and insurance companies, gives this money back to the providers and insurance companies thereby making current Medicare recipients pay more. Then Romney/Ryan want to repeal ACA and the additional eight years of solvency and closing the donut hole and other benefits thereby making current Medicare recipients pay more. Then they want to cut Medicaid by huge amounts thereby making current Medicare recipients pay more for nursing homes and hospice.
Then Romney/Ryan want to make folks 55-years old or younger go to a voucher program. This program would give folks a very limited coupon that is not indexed to inflation to keep up with rising medical costs. And they assume an 80-year old could purchase affordable health care in the private sector. Without ACA regulations, these insurance companies would deny anyone with expensive preexisting conditions, and greedily line their pockets with those who may still be healthy -- Like the broken system we've suffered under so far.
As such a voucher program is unsustainable, which is precisely the goal. They want the program to fail, because they want the excuse of failure to end the program. Republicans always burn down the house and then cry that there is no house -- This is what they have been trying to do with the debt and economic crisis they caused.
Any senior who thinks their current benefits won't be cut immediately, or in the future is gullible. The only thing Wall Street and the Banksters and Big Business have not taken over is Social Security and Medicare. Fight like hell to keep these programs, for your parents, for yourself, and for your children because it is all you have left.
The 21st Century Robber Barons, Romney/Ryan -- They aren't in it for you.
correction to #2.19
Pres. Obama's plan projects to save $716 billion, and the Ryan budget relies on the same $716 billion cuts...but
Romneyhood has not mentioned that.
but TruePatriot, do you have to post sth this long? Just saying.
Mitt, what is YOUR plan because as of right now we only know President Obama's and Paul Ryan's?
I guess the Liberals just want the U. S. government to keep going on the current course over the cliff.
JERSEY GIRL - yep, you probably ARE a Jersey Girl!
Obama/Biden 2012
The Romney/Ryan math does not add up.
The Romney/Ryan plan offers a voucher equal to the current cost of Medicare, which can be used to purchase a private insurance plan or traditional Medicare.
This voucher is only equal in value to the original cost of Medicare; so if you choose traditional Medicare and costs increases you are on the hook for the difference.
Medicare administrative costs are much lower than private insurance plans, so any use of a private plan immediately adds costs to the system.
In order for doctors to accept private plans these plans will have to at least match what Medicare currently pays for procedures, and most assuredly will have to pay doctors more.
Higher administrative costs plus higher payments to doctors, while the vouchers remain at current costs levels - who covers this newly created gap? Future Seniors.
So the Romney/Ryan plan is to replace a simple program that offers the same benefits to everyone with a complex system that will result in multi-tiered benefits? NO THANKS.
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!Pigotry -- As Dubya said "You Have To Keep Repeating Things" -- That is the GOP playbook. And that post above was not a copy and paste, and it was not a bumper sticker sound byte lacking substance, 'K?"
So did you see the quote for Republicans from Steel Magnolias? "You are a pig from hell." "You are evil, and you must be destroyed."
Anywho, stay cool dude.
well, TruePatiot, when you destroy pig, you got pork - that's what congress does best - pork barrel.
Pigotry -- Amen.
The Romney/Ryan math does not add up.
And the Obama math does? Please explain to me how.
SI
SI -
The Obama plan under the ACA reduces the cost of Medicare but offers no changes in benefits or how they are delivered.
The Obama budget proposal reduces the deficit through a combination of spending cuts (including the military), revenue increases, and corporate tax reform.
That math - reduce costs, add revenue - makes more sense to me than add costs, cut taxes on the wealthy, and pass the difference off to our future seniors.
great explanation TNSEVOL
Obama: "Bread and circuses for all!"
Caesar -
I prefer that to Romney' "Let them eat cake" mentality.
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!So basically its a shell that promises a lot but has no guarantees that there will be any providers to deliver on the promises.
Sounds like Snake Oil to me.
Obama Admin and shell games? So it is bread and circuses.
Up next guessing your weight
Romney really is a typical GOP. They really want to believe that people are not paying attention.
He is still so used to playing to the GOP base of mindless idiots, he does not realize that he has to actually appeal to people who think if he has any chance of coming close to winning. His selection of Ryan and his conduct of the campaign in the last couple of months will likely lose him more GOP votes too.
ZOMBIES for ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 !!!!
Alan -
I am sorry you think that reducing costs is a "shell game" - the true shell game is the Romney/Ryan approach of adding costs and passing them on to future Seniors, all while cutting taxes for the wealthy.
Which plan is more fiscally sound - tax more and spend less, or tax less and spend more?
...or do you agree that the Ryan plan to cut taxes on the wealthy while gutting entitlements in order to balance the budget in 20 years or so is a "marvelous" plan?
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!TNSEVOL:
The Obama plan under the ACA reduces the cost of Medicare but offers no changes in benefits or how they are delivered.
If you are referring to reducing the amounts paid to Medicare Advantage providers, I would beg to differ. The savings are as of yet unproven, but the Medicare budget is in the process of being cut to help fund the ACA. In my opinion that amounts to a rather substantial change in benefits and how they are delivered.
The Obama budget proposal reduces the deficit through a combination of spending cuts (including the military), revenue increases, and corporate tax reform.
The only spending cuts of any meaning in the pipeline are those to the Defense budget. These cuts are being forced by the sequestration process and may or may not be realized. You certainly can't characterize this as a "proposal". As for revenue increases which include increases to the corporate tax rate, while this certainly is an Obama proposal, what makes you think any money generated from it would be used for deficit reduction? So far this administration hasn't shown a genuine interest in reducing the deficit or in dealing with the exploding debt and I don't see any reason to believe this will change.
That math - reduce costs, add revenue - makes more sense to me than add costs, cut taxes on the wealthy, and pass the difference off to our future seniors.
As it would for anybody. Unfortunately, you haven't proven to me that Obama isn't doing anything but increasing the cost of government. Additionally, simply saying that the Romney/Ryan plan adds cost to government and cuts taxes for the wealthy doesn't necessarily make it so. We currently don't have all of the details of their plan, so any analysis of it that makes specific claims as to what it does or doesn't do is at best demgogic and at worst blatantly lying.
SI
TNSEVOL, you're right. Reducing cost isnt a shell game, its the process that is. How you get from a to b.
Obama/Biden: "Medicare, we can raid that"
Tell me again about GEORGE OBAMA, Barry? Is he still living in 3rd world poverty?
Remember.... he's your brother? And I know how you are about family.
"He said his plan would keep Medicare solvent by lowering costs through greater competition"
Republicans always say that costs will be reduced by more competition, but I keep waiting for competition to reduce costs and it never seems to happen. That's what they said when they deregulated telecommunications. Have you noticed your cable bill lately?
What willie is saying is this Obama took 714 B anin cuts that were made because of a change in payments to Dr's and hospitals. Then he is saying on his side no change.
Is he telling us he will do nothing and let it default and go broke ?
This is a man and a Political Party yhat has no idea what truth is. the man is stupid and he wants us to be just as stupid
True Patriot,
The minute and a half it took to read your post was certainly beyond the pale. Please keep posting and providing actual facts instead of 5th grade name calling. The most common thing the Right has always done is to create a monster if one is not handy. The from McCarthy through Nixon, Reagan and Bush they justified all with a faux patriotism while instigating disaster onto the American people. Romney and Ryan are the same willing to tell any lie or take anyones money regardless of the cost to the overwhelming majority of the people. A Romney/Ryan administration would leave most of us destitute while redistributing more of the nations wealth upward.
jkh
Obama's Amazing Accomplishments.
First president to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
First president to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
First president to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States
First president to violate the War Powers Act.
First president to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
First president to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
First president to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs.
First president to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
First president to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
First president to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
First president to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
First president to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.
First president to terminate America 's ability to put a man in space.
First president to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.
First president to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
First president to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
First president to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
First president to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
First president to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
First president to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
First president to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).
First president to fire an inspector general of Ameri-Corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
First president to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
First president to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.
First president to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 102 to date.
First president to hide his medical, educational and travel records.
First president to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
First president to go on multiple "global apology" tours and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.
First president to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayer.
First president to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
First president to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
First president to repeat the Holy Quran & tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.
First president to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they “volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences. Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.
First president to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states ( Mexico vs Arizona ).
Obama will do or say anything to try and convince anyone that he actually has accomplished something positive for the country. Which is guaranteed to work on all liberals. Lets face it, the keys to AF1, a private helicopter, and the nations American Express card is all Obama is concerned about. One term for the liberal anointed smartest person ever to sit in the White House, how uncool for Obama.
Vouchers, vouchers, vouchers. Should be in every attack ad across the U.S. The Teapublicans have unleashed the sleeping geriatric giant from its slumber.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, who has paid into the system at the time of overhaul should have to worry about their benefits. It was a contract made between the people of this country and their government.
In order to ensure that will happen, raise taxes on the rich, clip the loopholes that allow 57% of American corporations to pay 0 taxes, cut the budget to the MIC, and eliminate the cap on taxing income for SS/Medicare, eliminate subsidies for oil companies, farms, etc.
THEN if you want to speak of "fixing" Medicare, go ahead.
Jim Hayes-375865 -- Thanks!
Agreed, well stated! From the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities:
Romney/Ryan want to pay ZERO taxes, that's it in a nutshell. And they will throw America under the bus to achieve that goal.
Okay Feisty, you win. Even though I don't always agree with everything you say, you gave me the best laugh of the night: "Willard spares no expense when it comes to erasable tools".
I'm going to go to sleep now, just as soon as I scroll back up and vote for your comment.
"clip the loopholes that allow 57% of American corporations to pay 0 taxes"
Are you looking at you kids lawn mowing business who did not pay taxes, because that sure sounds like a made up number. The fact is business pay most of their taxes overseas because it is cheaper. Look at GE, who Obama said most business should be like LOL, they paid 5.7 Billion in taxes and 1 Billion of that was paid to US giving them an effective US tax rate of 5% when it really they are paying a tax rate of 29% if you include foreign Government.
Why should we raise taxes on corporations when that discourages buisness to flourish here. I can give you a good example when California Businesses are hurt by taxes. In California when you shop online you have to pay taxes if the item is bought from inside the state. The way you get around that is you buy it form another state and guess what, you do not have to pay taxes. So every time I shop online I will purposely search for the item from another state because I will not have to pay taxes. That in reality is giving an unfair playing field to California businesses driving consumers like me away.
Here is the top 10 profitable Businesses who all paid taxes. No idea where you are getting 0% from.
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The Democrats are accused of telling the "Lie of the Year" on Medicare.
FactCheck.org wrote:
We later called the claim one of the “Whoppers of 2011,” and our friends at Politifact.com and theWashington Post agreed. Politifact called it the “Lie of the Year,” and the Post‘s “Fact Checker” columnist Glenn Kessler called it an untruth worthy of four Pinocchios — his worst possible rating — and later one of the “The biggest Pinocchios of 2011.”
Romney will ride this one to victory like the Democrats did in the past. Day late, dollar short Obama! LOL
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
He had to use a white board because his Etch A Sketch was broken. He shook so vigorously that the knobs fell off.
Lumping welfare and Medicare in the same sentence is very telling as to what he thinks of both of these programs - programs that should be ended because no one is entitled to them. Tell us Romney, when you get around to ending Social Security, will it be a lump sum distribution to the wealthy, or a trickle down bleed into their accounts.
Yeah and he fails to mention that Obama shifted the $700 Billion, not cut it. And I thought we all kinds of competition and choices.
I guess it's like those millions of jobs that all these tax cuts were gonna create.
Mitt won't be honest enough to say that what President Obama has done for Medicare is to limit payments to insurance companies, eliminate some extra benefits (like Silver Sneakers gym memberships for seniors) and limit growth of payments to providers. Not the same thing as turning the whole program into a voucher and passing along an additional 6,000 in costs to seniors, as the Ryan plan would do.
Juicy - are you saying the only vouchers Ryan recommends is the Medicare Part D? Can you back up that claim - it is the first time I have seen that claim.
More from Reuters
Medicare- "the program is dramatically more efficient than private insurance. Medicare spent just 1.4 percent of every dollar on administrative overhead, even including money spent to fight fraud and abuse, compared with 25 percent overhead in private plans, according to Richard Kaplan, a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law who specializes in elder law matters."
Sounds like the Government is better at frugal capitalism than the private market is and the nation gets a bigger bang from every buck spent.
Yeah, Medicare must be welfare, considering people spending their entire working lives paying into it...
2Juicy4U -- One needs to look at the whole picture, which includes repeal of ACA.
The bottom line is we don't need to give the rich more tax cuts. We don't need more defense spending either. And if we had Medicare for all, that would make the program solvent.
The Teabagger black and white mentality is fallacious -- There are MANY solutions to consider.
Yes lets tax the rich who can hold out the jobs and say they cant afford it because they keep getting taxed. You can kiss those jobs you want good bye. That is why we have such a problem. People blame the rich yet they are the ones that supply most of the jobs. Small business cant expand because of how some of this is playing out.
People in America dont realize that president Obama Raised the Debt not by a billion or two. But By 6.477 BILLION dollars where it took 43 presididents to increase it by 6.307 Billion Dollars.
As for your defense comment. I believe we could cut the money else where. I agree some of the defense needed to be cut. But lets look at how much congress and the president gets. Look at how much they get paid and hold while our troops suffer because people like Obama that say that the military isnt something worth spending the money. We have people die for our freedom and they arent getting paid what the president makes. Not even a good fourth of it. Defense is the only thing that will stop a any one during an invasion.
The flaw with that argument is that taxes are at their lowest levels since 1950, the Bush tax cuts have been in effect for over a decade, and it definitely has not lead to a boom in job openings, quite the opposite.
So why has that conservative theory of "cut taxes on the rich job creators and we'll have lower unemployment and a booming economy" failed so utterly and completely? Because cutting taxes means less tax revenue, which in turn means bigger deficit, which in turn means selling more Treasury Bonds to finance that deficit. Rich investors don't use that extra money to "create jobs", as it is much better to invest in no-risk (and tax-free) Treasury Bonds instead of taking the risk of loosing money investing in a business.
The solution is to increase taxes sufficient to pay for essential government services, which eliminates deficits, which in turn cuts off issuing of Treasury Bonds, which in turn forces investors to invest in business - potentially risky, yes, but far more beneficial to the economy.
You're way off, the debt has increased by trillions, not billions - 4.8 trillion, to be a bit more precise. That's still less than the 4.9 trillion that Bush Jr. added or the 5 trillion added up by the previous Presidents. But remember, those Bush tax cuts are still in effect...
It sounds like Romney equates Medicare with welfare. He probably thinks of social security that way, too.
"My plan presents no change. My plan stays the same. No adjustments, no changes, no savings." Note the "no savings". So, is Mitt saying his plan is the same as Paul Ryans?
Let's see, Mitt Romney thinks Ryan's budget plan which turns medicare into a coupon to buy private health insurance but the amount provided will never increase is "marvelous". Then Mitt flip flops to say he has his own budget then flip flops back to show that the Romney Plan is nearly identical to the Ryan Plan.....then tries to tell people he'd make no changes, no adjustments, no cuts and no savings. If Medicare is the problem Romney claims, then why is he now saying he'd make no changes? Looks as if Mitt Romney is trying to cover all the bases with his medicare plan and gets called out at home plate. Pretty bad when the flip flops get flip flopped.
"some Republicans have fretted that the younger congressman's own Medicare plan, which includes the same $716 billion in Medicare cuts that Romney decries"
Face it, Mitt - you lost the Medicare argument the minute you picked Paul Ryan as your running mate. Well, actually, even before that, when you said his plan was "marvelous".
Maybe you should go back to discussing the height of the trees in Michigan. It didn't make much sense, but compared to this argument and that lame explanation about how you've investigated your own taxes, it sounds positively brilliant.
From Reuters
Top six myths about Medicare
reuters.com/article/2012/08/15/us-column-miller-medicare-idUSBRE87E15N20120815
MYTH THREE: OBAMACARE SLASHES $700 BLN FROM MEDICARE
Facts: The Romney-Ryan campaign has trotted out this scary-sounding number to deflect attention from Ryan's voucher plan. But it is largely a false claim because it implies that the health reform law slashes benefits.
The Affordable Care Act actually delivers expanded benefits to seniors. It closes the prescription drug donut hole over time, with 3.6 million seniors saving a collective $2.1 billion last year; it also expands preventive services, including an annual wellness visit, mammograms and prostate cancer screenings with no out-of-pocket cost.
Obamacare does cut $700 billion in Medicare spending over a 10-year period. But the cuts are adjustments in payments to Medicare providers, which are mostly meaningless to patients. According to the CBO, the ACA's 10-year cuts include $415 billion in fee-for-service payments to healthcare providers, $156 billion in reduced payments to Medicare Advantage plans, $56 billion to hospitals, and $114 billion in other miscellaneous cuts far too numerous to detail here.
blackcat, thanks for adding the facts.
The $716 billion Mitt claims was stolen from medicare actually is spent on better Medicare benefits for seniors regarding annual physicals, preventive cancer screenings at no co-pay cost to them as well as improved drug benefits. Once again Mitt Romney proves he cannot make a statement without telling a Whopper Lie!
Why hasn't Romney released his tax returns? What is it that Mitt and Ann know is "ammunition" that would make it impossible for Romney to get the GOP nomination let alone become President? Ann said there was "ammunition" in the tax returns.
Seniors love Medicare because it is simple and accepted by almost every doctor.
Medicare also guarantees that after paying into it everyone receives the same coverage and benefits, regardless of health or wealth.
The Romney/Ryan plan does nothing to reduce the cost of Medicare, and actually introduces new administratvie costs into the system while transferring some of these costs to our future Seniors.
The Romney/Ryan plan would create a complex system with multi-tiered benefits that results in winners and losers.
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!B&W Cat. bump for the link and the post.
did anybody else notice, our conservative poster choose not to acknowledge or comment on this news article.
Chris - which one?
My uncle Bill is a doctor, and won't accept Mecicare, basically because of the waiting involved in getting paid. He said that it is common for doctors to do... Is this standard practice for many doctors?
NO
More of the great liberal myth being espoused by Jody from Iowa. If Romney gets elected everything he or Ryan have ever wanted automatically becomes law. Well that certainly is the way Obama has acted as president, but we would expect liberals screaming in the streets if a Republican tried to do it. No there are three executive branches of the federal government, even if liberals have a hard time with that concept.
Obama did automatically take 716 billion from medicare CBO report July 24 2012 page 13.
Medicare Advantage is going away and my wife has already got the bad news from Humana starting in 2013.
Romney will increase spending for medicare up to 854 billion in 10 years hardly a cut in medicare.
the only data trusted is data from the GAO,CBO,CMS etc. not biased NBC and Reuters rhetoric.etc.
Its sad to see many of you relying on biased information and too lazy to do serious research on your own.
ALL I see is links to distorted and biased rhetoric.
Kaiser Health news has a good article on Romney proposals-Romney on Health care.
give it up robmehood...the trees in sherwood forest need a little trimming.
RobmeRyan Advantage....another W mistake.
I thought the trees were "the right height"?
Ryan was chosen as VP because he was the
whiteright height.blackcatwhitecat -- That is funny, pundits saying Paul Ryan was a "bold" choice -- White, male, and rich just like Romney.
Anyone who believes the garbage that the republicans try spreading about their concerns for SS and Medicare are really living in an alternative universe.
No matter what they are trying to sell, ultimately, their goal is to eradicate these two programs. That has always been the goal of republicans, these two running for office are just the latest to work at achieving that long held ambition.
Just the same as Roe v Wade is on their radar, food stamps and other social programs will eventually be gutted and or eliminated if these uncaring selfish people have their way. Voting for a republican no matter what the office is giving them licence to write off all semblance of caring for ALL our citizens, they simply don't care about the well being of anyone who may be in need at vulnerable times in their lives.
Gingerbread Mama -
I think that Republicans are so against the current system of Social Security and Medicare because the beneifts are too equal.
You pay taxes into Medicare and Social Security (up to a certain level) and you receive certain guaranteed benefits.
Republicans want to create a system of winners and losers, where their investments in Social Security receive a higher return, and their Medicare plans offer greater benefits. The only way for them to "win" is for someone to "lose".
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!Tnsevol---I think they really want to privatize Social Security so that their wealthy donors can make money off of it. Same with Medicare---a voucher program gives premium dollars to the insurance companies.
Steeler Fan -
I agree. I fail to see how privitization of Social Security or Medicare will do anything but introduce additional costs into the system.
More benefits for them, more wealth for their donors, screw everyone else. The basic Republican philosophy - how much it has changed since the days of Abe Lincoln.
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats believe co-operation is the solution and Republicans believe competition is the solution. Co-operation produces better results for everyone. Competition creates winners and losers. It's very simple.
Tynsevol
The privatized option will give someone like me the ability to put my portion into double digit gains and free from government intrusion.
The average wage for an government employer is over 80,000 a year which is far more than the private sector counter part so I am sure I can take my voucher and find care at a cheaper price and keep the savings.
Medicare advantage is going away for seniors under Obama and staring next year my wife's vision and dental benefit is going away and Humana plans to do away with the rest at the end 2014.
My wife as seen the Romney plan and was excited.
She has not voted in over 20 years and after being victimized first hand by the Obama destruction she is voting for Romney.
Yes Obama taxed her social security benefits for the first time and his IRS cronies also Amended all the IRS tax returns since Obama has been in office from married joint exemptions to single and disallowed the deductions in 2008 from being victim of fraud and identity theft.
Yes we are ffighting Obama ass with the tax advocates.
So all you Obama supporters can spin all the lying NBC garbage you want as my wife and I are victims of the true Obama.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012.
Hey gingerbread, I think one of your gum-drop buttons came un- stowed...
So I guess WIllard's idea of going on the offensive is to tell a bunch of lies, muddy the waters and hope no one pays attention.
Al---it kind of works---I find it offensive.
Al lies are all Willard knows.
Obama '12
Let's do the math
Ryan 2003 voted for unfunded Medicare Advantage D $500 billion
Romney keeps Ryan's Medicare Advantage D (still unfunded) $713 billion
Total of Romney Ryan plan $1.213 trillion
Republicans want to spend $1.2 trillion so they can cut Medicare in 2023.
Although, Ryan's own math shows the Romney/Ryan plan will bankrupt Medicare in 4 years.
The R&R jobs plan and now the medicare plan: Give us the figures so we can crunch the numbers please!
I'd also like to crunch the numbers in Mitt's secret tax returns. Wonder what he is hiding?
Ann says the Democrats will "distort" them---how do you distort a 14% effective tax rate? How do you distort deducting $77K for a dressage horse that you also call a "therapy horse". How do you distort average daily income of $57,000. The Democrats don't have to distort this stuff---it says volumes as it is. Besides, lying and distortion are the Republican tactics.
Steeler, Romney said today that if you wanted to see his tax returns you're small-minded. Isn't he a peach!?
Sueb1---I guess in Mitt's world, the "little people" would have to be small-minded. I prefer to think of it as skepticism. When someone refuses to follow a practice that every candidate for the past 30 years has done, let alone a practice started by his own father, I start wondering what is up. If that makes me small-minded, okay by me.
Steeler Fan-380417 -- Small minded is code for the little people -- I was posting the same thing - Ha!
Mr. Redsox, would you please go on record here and state for us all that the President George Bush, Jr. administration did not cause any of the current economic and loss of jobs issues. thanks.
2Juicy4U - OMG you don't understand how anything works? At what point did you totally lose your mind????
Obama/Biden 2012
Juicy, you do realize we have 3 years of private sector jobs growth.
Today's Republicans know this.
What really drives Republicans crazy is that government is over 1 million jobs smaller under a Democratic President.
Not too surprising when you look at the 2003 Republicans and their deficits don't matter Congress (thanks Ryan).
$500 billion Medicare spending increase without paying for it. (By 2023, it would be $1.2 trillion without ObamaCare cutting the wasteful spending Republicans love).
Ryan and the Republicans also refused to pay for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
What really drives Republicans crazy is the fact Democrats spent money building America, while Ryan and the Republicans repeatedly spent money building the Middle East and making Israel less safe.
Juice, care to talk and explain Bushes 2 unfunded wars, tax cuts across the board unfunded, and Medicare part D, unfunded....meaning skyrocketing deficits...
That's right, deficits don't matter when republicans are in control and have ideas for America, but, oh my god, when democrats are in control or have ideas, it's bankrupting and the worst thing in history.
Perhaps before he seeks to clarify the difference between his plan and President Obama's plan he should seek to clarify the difference between his plan and Paul Ryan's plan...if there is one...because there is...but there isn't...I guess.
because if you write it on a white board, it's true!!!
The first step would be for Romney to have a plan, then he can discuss the differences between his current plan and the plan he had before this plan.
Romney has stated before that Ryan's plan is exactly the same as his, except where it is different, but he can see no major differences, unless you want his plan to be different, in which case Romney's plan is different (but unspecified).
....and on taxes just take Romney's word for it, he paid at least 13% - maybe more - but at least 13%......
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!Especially when it is a white-board that you can flip to side B.
Hey Feisty, do you have the full-size Marx poster en su casa or the cardboard cut-out?
SerfinUSA
Not that Feisty needs any assistance but I believe the apt response to your dirvel is:
Chupe mantequilla de mi culo!
there we go BCWC with more deviant sexual innuendo. Yet you felt compelled to defend IT BCWC.
blackcatwhitecat - oh my! I had to look that up! When I need a really good insult, I'm consulting you!
LOL!
Always available Seeking.
Now on to Marble Head, only a deviant would think of that as sexual innuendo.
yeah sure my anthropomorphic feline friend. Please leave seeking out. Its looking for sanity and a good joke (its right you would be fitting as a good joke).
Where is that pesky economic laser again?
why butter?
Romney just qualified to be an Amway distributor/recruiter. Now he needs to work on his math.
Romney, today, called anyone who is calling for him to release his tax returns 'small-minded'. Just because we, the voters, would like Romney to give us the same respect he gave the McCain campaign (20 years worth)---that does not make us small-minded; it makes us concerned American voters.
That was a good way for him to insult 70% of voters. His mind was so small it fell out of his ear on that one.
I have a question Sueb. What if he released his returns and all was on the up and up but it just showed he was wealthy (which everyone already knows)? What exactly are you hoping to see in his returns? I am not defending either way just curious.
ksw
If that's the case, why is he hiding his returns under a ton of excuses?
He has refused to release them for all the campaigns he has ever run, Senate, Governor, and President. People only take that much effort to hide money or a murder weapon.
ksw---what if he released his tax returns and we found out he had participated in an IRS amnesty program. Would that change how you feel? The point is that the public is reluctant to take any politician's word on something that can be proven independently. I would have felt the same way if candidate Obama had released only 1 tax return (which is all Mitt has done to date). What is he hiding?
ksw--from the one tax return he has released, we know that he deducted $78000 for his dressage horse as a medical expense. We also know that he has 100 million in an IRS account that he can legally only put $30000 a year into, we know he has swiss bank accounts and offshore tax havens. According to every tax expert I've read, these things alone raise enough red flags to warrant the release of past tax returns.
Mitt Romney is calling his own dead Father ... "Small Minded?"
What a POS !!!
I plan to march my "small mind" right into the voting booth!
Sueb1 - GREAT post!
ksw62118
I already explained how the liberals would react to that. It would then turn to other irrelevant thoughts just to divert from failed Obama Admin.
Obama: "Crap, my laser is out of focus again"
Romney just said he looked through his income tax returns the other day and said he never paid less than 13%. So, why didn't he make copies and give them to the media? Because he has something he doesn't want revealed! How much simpler can it possibly be? What is the problem with some Americans' reasoning ability?! OMG!
I think he might have committed a crime and sought amnesty OR something that will destroy his chances to be elected. What else? He doesn't want something revealed! DUH!
ksw - "What if he released his returns and all was on the up and up but it just showed he was wealthy"
We would see that all was on the up and up. We would see that he has enough respect for the American voter that he wants to give them the same information as his opponents have given in order for them to make an informed decision between the two. That's what I'm looking for. Some indication that he has respect for the people he is asking to allow him to affect their lives. I have not seen a lot of evidence of that respect.
Exactly Heartlight!!!
Romney/Ryan are telling a blatant LIE to our Grandmothers-Grandfathers and all Americans...........
Obama shifted $17.6 billion from Medicare Advantage to ACA (Affordable Care Act) which guarantees NO reduction of benfits by TITLE 18 within the ACA Bill.
Obama did NOT cut $17.6 billion from Medicare by eliminating those funds from the program like Republicans falsely claim.......
tonytellsthe truth
I dont know where you are getting your info. but the truth is Medicare advantage is going away.
Humana has already informed my wife that her vision and dental benifit is going away for 2013 and will keep her posted when the rest of the plan will be no longer in force.
So John, you think private insurance companies are going to give you and your wife discounts and insurance without higher costs premiums under Romney/Ryans plans. Probably having medical histories with health problems, they will certainly increase, if not deny coverage. Especially if Romney/Ryan get their way and repeal the ACA; therefore insurance companies can deny coverage regarding pre-existing conditions. Why do you think a fixed voucher system will be better, have more advantages, than the ACA act and Obama's plan.
We must remember that this is a conflict of ideologies. Most times, one cannot "see the forest from the trees", so to speak.Or, another way to say it is, looking from the inside out. Those of other ideologies will see yours from the outside looking in. With the turn of the decade, our political ideologies in this country began to polarize. this election cycle is throwing gasoline on the out of control wildfire that our landscape has become. And yes, i used that analogy of wildfires intentionally. For, if we do not find a way to get back together as a country, there is much physical evidence around the country of what our economy and social structure will be.
As for Romney. I understand the Republican ideology is fighting for it's identity right now, but, seriously, how can anyone not see straight through this guy. He is so obviously hiding something from someone, or he would end this issue of tax returns. We have Obama's healthcare plan in the ACA. We have Ryan's plan in his budget proposal (provided he stands firm on it). Romney gives us no specifics on anything, much less healthcare, because if he did, he would be tied to it. He is not allowing anyone to pin him down on anything.
This is where the forest and the trees come in. I understand that the Republicans are having internal identity issues, but why are they willing to vote for "the forest" (republican ideology) without looking at the trees? Does Romney's continued evasiveness on all issues not scare even the most lovelorn of Republicans?
Yes, Obama has his issues as well, but I would like to see what he can do with a cooperative congress. I cannot guarantee things will turn out well, but at least I know something about the guy. He personable and likable. But the only ones I see prospering under Romney, are those who have the money to take advantage of the system. If Romney would give me specifics on anything specific, I definitely would listen, just to see if there was any substance. Who knows? He might have a persuasive argument, but unless he gives us specifics by which to compare, who will listen?
I can understand the passion of those devoted to their ideologies. And not seeing the trees for the forest (and yes, it is reversed), those devout Republican ideologists are fighting more for the survival of their ideology as a whole, as they would vote Republican no matter what. I'm not saying this passion is wrong, but in this case, it's blind.
Gingerbread
Romney plan will increase medicare spending to 854 billion in 10 years, so your false rhetoric is exposed.
Many of you fail to understand that the cuts are coming by slowing growth from its current and increasing efficiency not slashing it. quit listening to the NBC spin.
I know navigating around government sites is a time consuming process but, you will get all the facts and ithe information will be accurate.
If you don,t understand the data then take it to an accountant.
Actually revenues from the 2;65% medicare tax from our paychecks accounts for 37% of Medicare funding. if all of you will spend more time at CMS and CBO data instead of taking the easy road to the NBC spin, You all will get the actual facts and data.
Jakie
Yes I do I was a small business owner not too long ago and had an excellent family plan through Blue Cross and Shield aroun 100 month.
Obnama tax initial estamates have risen to 2,8 trillion at that is from the CBO.
its time for you to understand that government run systems have never been efficient and history has proved that over and over.
As for your other question Romney plan will have no denial coverage regardless of medical condition if the premium option is selected because it is still part of the medicare program.
Romney is giving choices and mor can be found at Kaiser Health news article-Romney on health care.
"Romney Opens Up Medicare Offensive"
I gotta believe this guy has trouble opening up his fly to pee let alone open up an offensive on anything else.
I have never seen a Presidential candidate in my life who says nothing about anything and flip-flops on every issue he has previous taken a position on like Mitt Romney does.
ARTICAL IN THE NEW YORK DALEY NEWS.
after reading this any body who votes for Ronmeny is crazy!!!!!
When Mitt Romney introduced Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin as his running mate, he emphasized that Ryan “has become an intellectual leader of the Republican Party” on economic policy. But a close examination of Ryan’s monetary and fiscal policy proposals makes it hard to understand why he is held in high regard.
Ryan’s views on monetary policy are, by his own admission, heavily influenced by Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged.” (In a 2005 speech, he said: “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.”)
Concerns about inflation — currency debasement — are prominent in Rand’s novel, and those concerns drive Ryan’s monetary policy proposals. For example, Ryan introduced legislation in 2008 to replace the Federal Reserve’s dual mandate to stabilize both inflation and employment with a single mandate to stabilize inflation. Under Ryan’s proposal, the Fed would ignore employment when making policy decisions.
This lack of concern over employment is disconcerting, but it’s at least possible to find economists who support a single inflation mandate for the Fed. It’s much harder to find anyone who will support another inflation prevention policy Ryan has proposed, a policy similar to a gold standard.
Despite decades of stable inflation, and criticism from many experts that the Fed is too worried about inflation and not worried enough about unemployment, Ryan does not trust the Fed to keep inflation under control. Instead, he has proposed tying the value of the dollar to a basket of commodities. The Fed’s only job under this policy would be to keep the value of the dollar in line with the value of the commodities in the basket. The pursuit of stable employment or any other goal would interfere with this mission.
But this is not a recipe for price stability, as Ryan claims. Every time the price of oil, corn or other commodities in the basket changes due to ordinary fluctuations in supply and demand, which is often, the value of the dollar would change as well. This would make the dollar even more unstable and uncertain than it is now — and we’d also lose an important tool in the fight against unemployment.
That’s not even his worst proposal for monetary policy. That distinction goes to his call to raise interest rates to cure the recession — because “there’s a lot of capital parked out there, and we need to coax it out into the markets.”
This shows a serious misunderstanding of what’s holding the economy back. If interest rates are increased, the higher return on financial assets will cause more people to provide funds to financial markets — but the supply of funds isn’t the problem.
(Page 2 of 2)
As the vast amount of “parked capital” highlights, there’s already ample supply. The obvious problem is insufficient demand , and Ryan’s policy of raising interest rates makes it more expensive for firms to invest and more expensive for consumers to buy durable goods like cars and houses. The result would be a further decline in demand, a fall in output and employment and even more money than before just sitting there, doing nothing to create jobs.
Okay, so Ryan is no genius when it comes to monetary policy. But what about fiscal policy and the budget? Isn’t that where he shines? Not really. Individual elements of his budget proposal are attractive to various constituencies, and telling people what they want to hear is a sure way to get anointed a budget wizard.
But when all the individual pieces are put together, the proposal simply doesn’t add up. As an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center shows, revenues under the plan would be far lower than Ryan has claimed — and that would lead to large deficits than he projects.
The problem is that Ryan relies upon unrealistic assumptions about the revenue that can be gained from closing (unspecified) tax loopholes and about the degree to which tax cuts pay for themselves. To give you some idea of just how outlandish his assumptions are, his original projections assumed that the unemployment rate would fall to 2.8% under his policies. When challenged on this assumption, it was dropped — but amazingly, none of the other numbers changed.
Put it all together, and this is not a serious, sober, creative proposal from someone thoroughly familiar with the numbers. This is what you’d expect from a flimflam man who hopes you don’t ask too many questions.
Thoma is a professor of economics at the University of Oregon. He blogs at economistsview.typepad.com.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/paul-ryan-imaginary-expertise-article-1.1137112?pgno=1#ixzz23ilv90Dl
THIS GUY IS CRAZY!!!!!
The New York Daily makes all your decisions? Pretty shallow. You might want to diversify your reading Jeff.
Cogito Ergo Sum 1
The New York Daily makes all your decisions? Pretty shallow. You might want to diversify your reading Jeff.
Hey banana face this was a article in the new york Daley news, i read this and it seemed very interesting about Ryan. Sorry to post this here and show all you ryan nut jobs that this guy of way off his rocker!!!!!!!!!!!!
Romney as McCain did not vet there picks too good.
but don't worry 4 million readers in NY read the artical.
i loved this part ,
Okay, so Ryan is no genius when it comes to monetary policy. But what about fiscal policy and the budget? Isn’t that where he shines? Not really. Individual elements of his budget proposal are attractive to various constituencies, and telling people what they want to hear is a sure way to get anointed a budget wizard.
and this part,
But this is not a recipe for price stability, as Ryan claims. Every time the price of oil, corn or other commodities in the basket changes due to ordinary fluctuations in supply and demand, which is often, the value of the dollar would change as well. This would make the dollar even more unstable and uncertain than it is now — and we’d also lose an important tool in the fight against unemployment.
great reading!!!!!
And all I was saying, Jeff, is The New York Daily makes all your decisions? Pretty shallow. You might want to diversify your reading Jeff.
My comment still stands.
Banana face! Still laughing!
My parents both in their early 90s and life-long Repubs...will NOT be voting for Romney/Ryan this year and the main reason....the medicare issue. They do not trust Romeny/Ryan to keep medicare as it is for everyone over 55....they believe if they were elected it would be "oh, sorry we need to change it for everyone"....and they don't want their grand-children and great-grand-children to be denied good healthcare because their voucher/coupon doesn't cover anything but basic costs.
And majority of their senior friends feel the same way.
So they will vote for Obama, the most anti-American president we have ever had instead? Poor choice.
More likely they will not vote at all. Try some of the "cogito" part of your nom de guerre next time.
Detroit, So, is not voting, not voting?
let me break it down for you:
"So they will vote for Obama, the most anti-American president we have ever had instead?" (your own words from post 17.1), is not the same as not voting.
Did you even read what you wrote or were you just parroting bile?
President Obama is the best President we've ever had. He is the most American President, too.
But Mr. Ryan looks soooooo much better without a shirt than Obama!!
Detroit, To effectively insult someone, you need to insult someone that values what you say. In this case I do not, therefore there was no insult. Just banal words from an angry old guy.
David, Did you take the brown acid? Oh No!!!
Since Romney was declared the Repub nominee, all we hear from camp Obama is why we shouldn't vote for Romney. When are we gonna hear why "we should vote for Obama"?
(1) Can he convince voters that he will be able to live up to his most famous of all promises which he made in 'Feb '09: “Today I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we’ve long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay — and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.” People, read again what the Prez said, and then look at what is happening in the economy, and look at what he's doing, then feel free to laugh as long and as loud as you wish!
(2) Can he convince America there won't be another Solyndra?
(3) Can the voters be assured that he will do an about face and order the DOJ to co-operate with the Congressional investigations as it seeks to get to the bottom of what amounts to the worst gun CRIME in Amreica's history?
(4) Will he EVER re-appoint another IG to investigate his good friend and former Suns BB star, Kevin Johnson in the embezzlement case, a case in which the then investigating IG was fired by a "call from the WH". Not to mention his refusals to appoint other IGs to investigate some other cases, cases that like KJ's the outcome would make him and the Dems look bad:
Response:
1. The deficit has been growing less than under Bush. Had a 4 Trillion debt reduction deal with revenues on the table last summer, republicans walked away and refused to go along with it because of the revenue (hence, taxes).
2. Other countries are going all out for renewable green energy. Why are republicans willing to let other countries find the technology and ways to do this, instead of having America shine as the innovative, top country in the world. I suppose republicans would have thought Thomas Edison was a failure too, how many times did he try the light bulb before it was a success.
3. Bush also had a similar program...haven't heard a lot of complaints over Bushes program as the Worst gun crime.
4.What good does IG investigations have to do with the economy, medicare, and what this election is about. The answer is probably the same reason that democrats didn't have investigations into Bush and Cheney for their association with Halliburton, CIA interrogations, Iraq war, etc. Investigations cost taxpayer's their money, so it is usually unwarranted except for partisan reasons.
Oh damn, I guess he is right because he keeps repeating himself. Maybe seniors will get confused.
Oh Yeah! Mutt Rummey the Moron! I don't even think he paid the 13 percent. Why is this mockery still walking arPound. Why, Mutt Rummey the Moron!, not in the JAIL. He should be locked up like everybody else that doesn't pay taxes for over 10 years. Why continue trying to put WHITE people that are known CROOKS in the freaking White House to continue stealing from American people. Poor people are ALL nationalities here in America. Why lie, continue to turn and look the other way. President Obama is doing way more than most and he hasn't taken anything from anybody, yet you would accept a CROOK cause he is white. You are not hurting us, their is nothing you can do that will make us jump out a window. I bet you will be the first to jump and the wrath of suffering will be enjoyed more by those full of hatered and greed. Damn, I am absolutely flabergasted how white people have been showed up. Just yelling your freaking heads off and hell it ain't even your damn country. You tried to kill all the Native Americans for this land. May you, that take from others, suffer more than the Native Americans and they stand by and watch your kids die a slow death of poverty and hunger. Not even the spit from their mouth would quinch their thirst.
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In the words of the Great Inspector Gadget........ WOWSERS!!!
Romney is Done. Talk about flopping around.
Romney is done? Don't get too excited yet.
He sealed the deal with Picking Ryan....He's already distanced himself from the guy after a week..... Now he's trying to trash obamas medicare policy......??? He's confused and it shows. Any bright person will no vote for this tool.
Sorry, but Obamanomics is not sustainable. Romney at least has a clue about financial matters. Ryan vs Biden? You have got to be kidding! Ryan makes Biden look like a school girl. Unless Obama dumps Biden he is done. Even then, he will probably lose.
Tea Baggers are whats hurting the country. Not our president. All legislation he's tried to pass addressing any and all issues has been blocked by Tea Baggers led by none other than Paul Ryan. Hows he going to explain that one to the American people??? Debate is a wrap. You voted to block the farm bill and the education bill and the planned parenthood bill(supported by over 70% of women) and the energy bill!!! The truth hurts. This doesn't even consider the ZERO experience they have combined on foreign policy.
DONE!
Actually dave, It will be "done" in November, maybe. We will see then which of the two, voters have more faith in. I fear, for you, that it will not be Obama.
I loved how you defended your candidate just now. You are so ignorant. Doing exactly what the right has done for months now. Blaming Obama isn't a winning strategy. IF it were you'd guys have won already!! LOL! Why don't you comment on my post, is it too much truth for you to handle??
LOL! really! desertdave! You have posted nothing worth commenting on, unless you call Ms. Maddow's speaking points of worth.
Romney wins. How can he not? Obama is well, ummm... Obama!
Just for you, SickingSanity and FR from Cicago,
Obam VS Romney from you favorite site, has Obama 4.6 vs Romney 45.5
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-general-election-romney-vs-obama#!mindate=2011-08-16
No wonder you guys are so FEISTY. This is to close for confort.
It's called... Winning. After Obama wins in 2012 and grows America for 4 more years Hillary will step in to become the first female president with Obama and Bill in her corner. 4+4+4= 12 .... 12 more years! 12 more years!! 12 more years!!! The right is too far right and can't come back from embracing the ideological, racist, Tea Baggers.... God Bless the U.S.A.!
dave, What have you been smoking? "Grows America for another 4 years." Obama has done everything in his power to spray round-up on America. We can not afford to have him for another 4 minutes let alone years.
-85632
Concern - you might want to check your post - you really do need help!
Oh and - you wish!
Obama/Biden 2012
Seeking, you know I love you. So go and link to:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-general-election-romney-vs-obama#!mindate=2011-08-16
I welcome anybody to do so. Is just a little click of the mouse. You can try it also Chris. It's just a poll and is being reported by the LEFTYS.
Not at all - since mid-July, the gap between Obama and Romney continues to widen, in Obama's favor. It appears that even the selection of Randy-Randist-Ryan wasn't enough to close the gap. The only desperation is by concerned posters that cannot read and interpret charts and trends.
Now back to Sing Sing you go to convert another 10 felons to Romney voters. Unless of course, you would like to regale us with tales of 55 ways to leave your lover.
The only round-up that will be happening under Ryan/Romney is collecting the newly homeless elderly and busing them to "Waiting for Death" camps.
Concern - no you really might want to check what you posted you ignorant idiot!
RedDevPOS, Scary stuff that! Your bazaar comments seem almost psychotic. I'm just say' n.
It's like this,
Obama has explained what Republicans want to impose versus what he would impose if elected President last election, and this one.
How is it you only heard the part of what Republicans would impose but not Obama???
Obama has been stating what he would do if he hasn't already done so. And there isn't much he hasn't already done.
Don't you watch the news or read the Newspaper???
What exactly has Obama done that is sustainable and good for the country? Look ahead a few years to when many of his "accomplishments" will become a huge burden that can not be paid for. Do you think China is going to continue to fund his "accomplishments?" Can we keep printing money to fund his "accomplishments?"
Romney/Ryan 2012 For the sake of America.
The only way Obama loses is if he does something extremely stupid like..... Strapping his dog to the roof of his car and driving down the freeway...... DOh!!! My bad Romney already beat him to that!
GAME OVER!!
Do you get angry at people that let their dogs ride in the back of pick up trucks? If not, re-evaluate your thinking.
you and I both know that's not the same.... here we go with rationalizing. Just face it man. Your candidate is a card board cut out. How ironic he uses a white board. That must be their "etch-a-Sketch"..... Just put some new BS on it the next day and run with it....
Actually I've never seen a dog injured riding in a roof top kennel. However I have seen two dogs killed falling out of pick up trucks. You are right it is not the same. Dogs riding in the back of pick up trucks is much worse.
Actually, the dog crapped from the trauma of being caged and strapped to the roof of the vehicle. Romney had to stop for the sole purpose of cleaning the dog's diarrhea from the vehicles windows. However, let's set that aside and offer this option for you; Go online and search the State Police Accident Reports for dogs injured when potable kennels fell from the roof of a vehicle at high speed. Next, ask yourself what Mitt Romney really cares about, money or the family pet?
Mittens could have easily rented a bigger vehicle, or perhaps had the dog boarded. Talk about a cheap ass.
Tony -
There isnt much that Obama hasnt done?
So, you think that he has gotten a lot done, then.....
Funny how that has escaped notice, by and large - you would think that a president accomplishing something would be front page news.
Or perhaps you are conceding that the Republicans are not really the party of no, and that the obstructionism of the republicans is a liberal mistruth.
From Personal Experience.
My black lab loves riding in the back; and when she's there I rarely go over 30 mph.
I put a nice big piece of carpet back there so she grip her claws into.
Also she's never wanted or tried to get on the roof of the vehicle.
This brings to mind that character the late Phil Hartman played on SNL. You know, the anal retentive guy.
PROOF LOGIC ROMNEY IS LYING ABOUT MEDICARE WHITEBOARD COMPARISON: If Obama's plan ends for the next gen "Bankrupt", then WHY THE $716 B INCREASE? It is NONSENSE! ROMNEY'S LYING...AGAIN!
Or do you mean Obama is lying? Now that would be a true statement.
President Obama said the ACA included provisions that would take $716 from insurance companies, heathcare providers, and fraud; and re-invest the savings to extend Medicare to 2024. After that, don't know.
Mr. Romney is not lying, but our news media is making the truth hard to find.
MJ -
In other words, he cut medicare by $716 billion - the very same thing that libs are attacking Ryan for just proposing.
He cut medicare advantage, which is a different program. That money was reinvested in medicare to sustain it for another 10 years. Mitt the twit and Vaginal Prober Ryan want to take that 716 billion and give the wealthy welfare in that amount. Big difference! Maybe Willard needs another elevator for his car garage.
this should be aired on "Worlds Dumbest..... "
That's what the BBC calls our debates.