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Subscribe to RSSGetting nasty: So much for that debate about big ideas and sharp contrasts… The strategy (and danger) for Romney calling out Obama for engaging in a campaign of “division and anger and hate”… Will the GOP’s 2010 playbook on Medicare work in 2012?... Ryan ducks question on tax reform… Good Biden vs. Bad Biden… Team Romney’s newest Spanish-language TV ad… Panetta: Don’t forget there’s a war going on… And wrapping up last night’s primaries: Tommy Thompson won in Wisconsin, but it doesn’t necessarily signal that the GOP establishment is back.
The Paul Ryan pick was supposed to kick-off a high-minded campaign on the issues. However, over the last 24 hours, the attacks from both sides have reached a new level of vitriol. The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd reports.
*** Getting nasty: So much for that debate about big ideas and sharp contrasts. Just days after Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan as his running mate, the presidential campaign yesterday devolved into nasty charges and countercharges. Tuesday began, according to NBC’s Carrie Dann, with Vice President Joe Biden assailing Romney and the Republicans for wanting to end the new regulations on Wall Street. “Unchain Wall Street,” he said. “They’re going to put you all back in chains.” The Romney campaign took offense to the comment, which Biden later clarified was a reference to the GOP’s rhetoric about the “unshackling” of economic forces. And Romney unloaded on President Obama in his final event on his four-day bus tour, accusing his opponent’s campaign of engaging in “division and anger and hate.” The Obama camp fired back at Romney, calling his remarks “unhinged” and “particularly strange coming at a time when he's pouring tens of millions of dollars into negative ads that are demonstrably false.” And Obama himself capped things off by twice making reference to the Romney dog that endured a family vacation on top of the Romneys’ car. So just when we thought last week’s third-grade insults (“Romney Hood” and “Obama-loney”) couldn’t get any lower, yesterday felt like the moment that both campaigns dug in and truly started hating each other.
The presidential candidates and their running mates take swipes at one another while campaigning in the Midwest, criticizing the other's fiscal and energy plans. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
*** The strategy here (and danger) for Romney: What’s fascinating is the Romney campaign’s decision to bring a gun to a knife fight yesterday. It could have knocked Biden for making yet another gaffe or another odd statement. But instead, it decided to step on the gas and use the harshest language possible -- “anger” and “hate” -- against Obama. And there seems to be an obvious strategy here: The Romney camp seems intent on muddying the Obama brand to narrow the likeability gap; it’s too hard to bring Romney up to Obama’s favorability levels, so they want to drag him down instead. But there also is a potential danger here for Romney: For one thing, he opens himself up to criticism that he can dish out the attacks (see those constant references to Obama apologizing for America or not understanding America), but that he can’t take them. And two, the entire conversation about negativity distracts from Romney’s message. After all, we’re no longer talking about the economy or Romney’s plan, or now even his new running mate.
*** Will the GOP’s 2010 playbook work in 2012? In addition to those charges and countercharges, the Romney campaign unveiled a new TV ad, attacking Obama for making cuts to Medicare. “You've paid into Medicare for years -- every paycheck,” the ad goes. “Now that you need it, Obama cut $716 billion from Medicare. Why? To pay for ObamaCare.” The Romney campaign is trying to do two things here: 1) make it clear they’re playing on offense on the dicey topic of Medicare, and 2) signal to the rest of the Republican Party that they’re going to provide air cover in this battle that’s traditionally been on Democratic turf. As NBCNews.com’s Mike O’Brien writes, this ad suggests that Republicans are taking a page out of their 2010 playbook on Medicare, and it worked for them during the midterms. But here’s the question: Does that playbook work AFTER House Republicans passed the Ryan budget in 2011 and 2012? After all, the Ryan budget doesn’t just make cuts in Medicare; it substantially transforms the program. Here’s another question: Can Republicans win by attacking their own ideology (that Medicare cuts need to be made!)? We’re getting numb to campaigns launching disingenuous TV attack ads. But this one is amazing because it pretty much undermines the GOP’s own belief system on entitlements.
DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz tells TODAY's Matt Lauer that Mitt Romney decision to run with Paul Ryan, who she said has a record of slashing spending and offering the rich tax breaks, threatens middle class families.
*** Ryan ducks question on tax reform: One of the strengths of Ryan’s selection as Romney’s running mate is that he isn’t perceived as your typical politician -- he’s willing to stand up for his beliefs and plans. But what did Ryan do in his first big TV interview yesterday? He sounded like a typical politician. When FOX’s Brit Hume asked Ryan to identify the tax loopholes he and Romney would close to pay for their big tax breaks, the Wisconsin congressman ducked the question. "That is something that we think we should do in the light of day, through Congress," Ryan said. “So no, the point I'm trying to say is, we want feedback from Americans about what priorities in the tax code should be kept, and what special interest loopholes we want to get rid of." In other words, Ryan said we’ll do this in the light of ANOTHER day, not this one. It’s what a typical politician says -- not a truth teller
Travis Long / AP
Vice President Joe Biden speaks to campaign supporters Monday, Aug. 13, 2012, during a rally at the Durham Armory in Durham, N.C.
*** Good Biden vs. Bad Biden: The good with Joe Biden (his appeal with white working-class voters, his middle-class roots) also comes with the bad (the gaffes, the ability for him to put his foot in his mouth). And yesterday, as we mentioned above, there was some of the bad. Biden blasted Romney and the Republicans for wanting to end the new regulations on Wall Street. “Unchain Wall Street,” he said. “They’re going to put you all back in chains.” The Romney campaign took offense to the comment, which Biden later clarified was a reference to the GOP’s rhetoric about the “unshackling” of economic forces. It’s still hard for us to ascertain if Biden’s “chains” comment was referring to Romney and the Republicans or to the banks. But it was typical Biden: His mouth sometimes moving faster than his brain. And it’s why you’ll continue to see the Obama campaign keep Biden in safe places.
*** Team Romney’s newest Spanish-language TV ad: The Romney camp is up with a new Spanish-language TV ad. It begins with Obama declaring “Yes we can,” but then a narrator asks (in Spanish): “Can we accept that half of our youth cannot find work upon finishing college? Can we continue with more than 10% unemployment among Hispanics? Can we tolerate that with Obama and Democrats there are two million more poor Hispanics?”
*** Panetta: Don’t forget there’s a war going on: As the campaigns battle over the economy, Medicare, and the negativity of the race, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told reporters yesterday that there’s still a war going on – one that the candidates rarely talk about. “I realize that there are a lot of other things going on around this country that can draw our attention, from the Olympics, to political campaigns to droughts, to some of the tragedies we’ve seen in communities around the country,” Panetta said a press briefing yesterday, per Politico. “I thought it was important to remind the American people that there is a war going on.”
*** On the trail: Obama -- joined by the first lady -- concludes his three-day bus tour through Iowa with stops in Dubuque (at 1:25 pm ET) and East Davenport (at 6:25 pm ET)… Romney raises money in Alabama and North Carolina… Biden continues to campaign in Virginia, while Ryan stumps in Ohio… And Romney surrogates across the country hold “Obama Raiding Medicare” events.
*** Wrapping up last night’s primaries: In last night’s most-watched primary, former Gov. Tommy Thompson won the GOP Senate primary in Wisconsin. But before we proclaim that the “GOP establishment is back,” do note this: The longest-serving governor in Wisconsin history won a GOP primary getting just 34% in a four-person race. If anything, Thompson proves that the establishment can win – if three other folks are dividing up the anti-establishment/Tea Party/Club for Growth vote. In other primaries last night, Connie Mack won the Florida GOP Senate primary, and he’ll face off against Sen. Bill Nelson (D) in the fall. And in Connecticut, the Senate contest there will be Linda McMahon (R) vs. Chris Murphy (D).
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No Bump for Romney:
Four days have passed since Willard selected Paul Ryan and both conservatives and Democrats got all excited. Some, including myself, expected to see a bump in the polls for Romney, but now I donât see that as a likely possibility. We are back to the same-olâ-same-olâ mudslinging politics.
John McCain reopened the scab regarding Romneyâs tax returns by saying that Romney did pay some taxes to Uncle Sam. McCain didnât say how much Willard paid, the rate Romney paid, or why Romney has those tax shelters in the Cayman Islands. But that door is again wide open.
Then we have Romney struggling to differentiate his budget from the âmarvelousâ Ryan budget. What is not said is they are practically identical. Likewise, Romneyâs vision of Medicare versus Ryanâs position on Medicare is like two identical twins.
The constant from a week ago is Romney wants to avoid the specifics of his plan but attack President Obama with falsehoods that make no sense. No longer is the campaign about the economy and jobs.
It is now all about choice.
Republicans do not want to talk about the choice of changing Medicare to a coupon system, yet with the Romney/Ryan budget, that is what they will have to defend. Seniors do not want the government to mess with their Medicare. Voters in Florida, and all across the country for that matter, do not want the government to change Medicare in a way that would harm their children and grandchildren. Even Tea Partiers like their Medicare and are squeamish about Romney/Ryan messing with the program they have paid into for most of their adult life.
Working class Americans have no interest in giving their hard-earned income to the wealthy in the form of tax breaks. And letâs not forget the war on women in which Ryan voted against the Lily Ledbetter Act. Meanwhile we are still waiting for Romney to get back to us on that.
Donât expect much of a bump in the polls for Romney and Ryan. Thus far the Romney team continues to hurt themselves and make GOP operatives inside the beltway very, very nervous.
Paul Ryan – Deficit Hawk, Not
While the title "Deficit Hawk" has been tattooed on Paul Ryan it is far from what his Congressional voting record reflects. During the Bush administration's "runaway spending" and with Congress in full Republican control for six years Ryan voted for all the major spending bills including the $700 billion TARP bill, the unfunded $1 trillion Medicare expansion bill, two large tax cuts ($100+ billion/year) without any offsets and two unfunded wars.
POLITICO: He was enthusiastic, earnest, courteous and well-informed. Rep. Paul Ryan, in other words, certainly knew how to play the role of a sleeves-rolled-up, problem-solving deficit hawk as a member of the high-profile Simpson-Bowles budget commission.
In the end, however, that was not the role Ryan chose to play — he was more of a loyal GOP partisan who wasn't willing to step out on his own.
After beginning as an energetic participant on the Simpson-Bowles commission, he finished up as an energetic participant in the ideological stalemate that doomed its work to failure.
Skeptics say this record—combined with Ryan's emphatically ideological approach as chairman of the House Budget Committee—undermines Romney's claim in an interview on this weekend's "60 Minutes" broadcast that Ryan "is a man who's dedicated the last 14 years working in Washington in ways that are not highly partisan or political but are instead focused on the right course for America.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79724.html?hp=t1
UnChain Your Heart
Paul Ryan is the media darling and Mitt whines about shackles. What is so ironic about those adjectives is they are inbread in the media today. Paul Ryan has no expierence in the private sector besides rideing a winnie moble; yet Mitt whined about having
How about calling our President a monkey, a tar baby, a Nazi, shoeshine boy, , Kenyan anti- colonialist?? The T-Party & Right Wing Nut Job leaders, the BIGGEST Monger on the planet had no problem when Santorum said I don't want to give Black people other people's money. They have many irrational fearsz;
fear of Muslims
fear of Black people
fear of Brown people
fear of LBGT
fear of the climate change
fear of women
fear of condoms
fear of Planned Parenthood
fear of Catholic nuns
fear of the truth
fear of campaign ads
fear of the truth
fear of the government
but, most of all fear of the electoral process and the Black man in the White House
Not only has there NOT been a bump for Willard...
How many down ballot races is Herman & Eddie going to cost the GNOP?
The Congress critters can't run away from the marvelous Ryan budget they themselves VOTED for... fast enough! lol
David Stockman (Reagan's budget director) calls Willard's BOLD choice a disaster & worse...
"They're going to put y'all back in chains."
So said the Vice President of the United States to an audience composed primarily of blacks. The Romney campaign pounced immediately and labeled the remark unacceptable political discourse. The Obama campaign replied they had no problem with the veep's comments. So for the Obama crowd, it's entirely OK to scratch an old racial wound by associating Republicans with slavery just to score some cheap political points.
To any objective observer, Biden's comments were clearly beneath contempt. But these are the same folks who try to convince the masses that Republicans will throw granny off a cliff and who use the McCarthy-style tactics of unsubstantiated slander and who toss the word "felon" into the national political conversation. So none of us should be surprised by anything these unprincipled people do.
To borrow another phrase from old Joe, this is a big f***ing deal. Because it speaks directly to the extremes the army of slime on the left will go to advance their cause. But while Republicans need to hit back hard to deflect the garbage, they still need to maintain the high ground of campaigning on conservative ideas. And their prospects for successfully accomplishing that task have been enhanced with the addition of Ryan to the ticket.
The American electorate has more integrity than Joe Biden and the left gives them credit for. And they yearn for solutions, not divisive mudslinging. That's why Romney was moved yesterday to say: "Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago." And that's why Romney-Ryan and a clearly articulated approach to conservative governance is a winning combination.
Looks like the Dems are running scared on Barry having to actually go on record about HIS OWN National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, AKA the Simpson-Bowles Commission.
Barry is hoping he can change the subject away from his record of absolute failure for the last 3.5 years. He created Simpson-Bowles by Executive Order, set it up for failure by demanding a super-majority of 14 out of 18 votes to approve their report, and then promptly ignored any and all of their recommendations.
From the start, it was all about Barry LOOKING like he was actually doing something about the debt and deficit.
No wonder the Dems are running scared about Barry actually having to take a position on DOING something about the debt and deficit by trying to CENSOR the Presidential debate questions.
From Politico:
Democrats want debate question barred
By: Tomer Ovadia
August 14, 2012 04:01 PM EDT
Some Democratic lawmakers want to make sure that one question does not get asked at the upcoming first presidential debate - about Simpson-Bowles.
Three Democratic House members objected Tuesday to a request by four senators that President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney be asked which of the commission’s proposals to address the debt they support. The Democrats said such a question would force “candidates to choose solutions from one menu of options.”
In the original letter, Sens. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Joe Lieberman, (I-Conn.) and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) asked the debate commission to devote “specific and extensive attention to the question of how the candidates would get our nation’s fiscal house in order during the first debate dedicated to domestic policy.”
“Specifically, we request that you ask the presidential candidates which of the recommendations of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform they would adopt as part of their plan to reduce the deficit,” they wrote.
But that caused Reps. Mike Honda (D-Calif.), Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) and Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) to cry foul, writing in their own letter to the debate commission on Tuesday that although the Simpson-Bowles commission’s plan “may contain proposals helpful to our recovery…to hold it out as the only pathway to fiscal responsibility and economic success is foolish and wrong.”
“We urge the [Debate] Commission to fight any effort to unnecessarily narrow such an important debate by placing disproportionate attention on one set of proposals over another,” they wrote, adding that such a question would “cheapen the debate” and “thwart the candidates’ ability to explain alternative proposals.”
Joe Biden - [in a black accent to a mostly black audience] "They're gonna to put y'all back in chains."
Unemployment under Obama for black Americans has risen to 15%, 40% for black youths. Who exactly is putting whom in chains?
What is even more pathetic is that Team Obama is defending these hateful, racist, and cruel remarks.
Obama/Biden Theme for 2012: "Angry and Desperate"
"I don't feel no ways tired" Hillary Clinton in Selma March/2007
Seems to be a trend with white liberals.
At least we know what the
souptalking point of the day is...They can't talk about their ticket, so instead, once again, take something out of context... get all indignant about it...
Then... rinse... spin... and... repeat!
*yawn*
Is that how it is being spun, Beverly? I suppose that is the best that the liberal pundits can come up with. Here in the real world, there is nothing else to do but wince at the latest blunder from the VP.
Again the republican VP pick overshadows the candidate for President. You republicans sure know to pick um.
JAS1,
What is a “Black” accent ?
Watch out America. For those who are old enough to remember, be careful – debtor’s prison is making a comeback. That’s what Joe Biden was talking about. He remembers. Most of the media have no idea what that is and are clueless as to what the vice president was referring to. They should know their history if they're going to be "journalists".
People in this country deserve the truth and they're not getting it from the GOP media. Most of us think it's because these pundits on tv have no clue about history. Or worse. Just prefer to hide it.
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Remember the story that came out about Romney getting his rich friends to help assault a classmate? Romney should have been thrown out of school for his behavior.
But people like him have never had to answer to anyone. And that’s why he is running the campaign he is running. He has been able to lie and scam the system his entire life.
Only now he is up against an opponent who has no intention of sitting back and taking Romney’s upper crust condescending attitude.
President Obama is the only one who can do it. And he’s going to do it, with the country’s help. We have had years and years of upper crust condescending attitudes from these politicians and Obama and the rest of us have had enough.
And Ryan is no fiscal conservative as Rachel Maddow pointed out line by line last night.
What a joke these Republican candidates are.
I LOVE the faux outrage from the right wing in the morning. Oddly enough, Mr. Biden's audience agreed with him. Which ought to make the right wing even angrier.
Why is the campaign getting so nasty? Simply this, Romney cannot run on his history at Bain, he cannot run on his history as Governor of MA. He has dislike and disdain for most other people, and since he has tried to "order" the other campaign to not talk about Bain and his political history, he is FURIOUS that they are not complying.
And he is simply a very nasty man who feels entitled to high office because he and Queen Ann want to pose on the balcony.
Joe in albany,
You post a article about the pressure from GOP senators to direct the questions that the debate moderators will ask at the debates.
That is funny.
I am very pleased by the list of moderators. They certainly know how to ask questions and followup questions. None of them are " entertainment" hosts posing as journalists.
Can Republicans win when their attacking their own ideology (that Medicare cuts need to be made!)?
And here I thought they were pointing out that the Democrats were attacking their own ideology (that Medicare cuts shouldn't be made!).
The Obama campaign is Jersey Shore on steroids. Biden is toast. Prediction -- Hilliary will step in.
@ Beverly in Chicago
In a Muslim country, say Saudi Arabia or others. you would be stoned to death for posting that comment on this website.. Its women most of all whom should fear Muslims, because for some reason Muslims "fundamentalism" always seems to subjugate women though intimidation or violence. How can that be a peaceful religion (and why don't the women in those countries revolt? they cant kill them all)
joshua w morris
Did you see where Joe “Gaffe” Biden told a rally crowd in Virginia the “With your help we will win North Carolina, and with North Carolina we will win the election.”
It must be very disorienting for “Gaffe” when he is forced to commute every day from Planet Liberal to Planet Earth.
What a moron.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Considering what Romney did to his fellow Republicans during the primaries with negative ads, flip-flopping and and outright lies, what else would we expect him to do in the presidential elections? The guy is a fraud and a whiner with no core, no backbone and no beliefs. He will say anything in his desperate attempt to win an election.
It is called taking the high road you dumb asses. Try it once.
Considering what Romney did to his fellow Republicans during the primaries with negative ads, flip-flopping and and outright lies, what else would we expect him to do in the presidential elections? The guy is a fraud and a whiner with no core, no backbone and no beliefs. He will say anything in his desperate attempt to win an election.
Did you see where Joe “Gaffe” Biden told a rally crowd in Virginia the “With your help we will win North Carolina, and with North Carolina we will win the election.”
It must be very disorienting for “Gaffe” when he is forced to commute every day from Planet Liberal to Planet Earth.
What a moron.
It is called taking the high road you dumb asses. Try it once.
Considering what Romney did to his fellow Republicans during the primaries with negative ads, flip-flopping and and outright lies, what else would we expect him to do in the presidential elections? The guy is a fraud and a whiner with no core, no backbone and no beliefs. He will say anything in his desperate attempt to win an election.
So true Ron. Ryan did not get the bounce needed. Palin got a +4 points. At best Ryan Romney got a +1 0r +2 bounce.
“Hey Girl, your body but my eggs.”
Paul Ryan
Mitt Romney to Obama - "Take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago"
That's it Mitt! Push the face of Obama into the very mud he and his campaign have been spewing for months now. These are the simple terms that Obama can understand, and they are oh so true.
But it was typical Biden: His mouth sometime(s) moving faster than his brain.”
Sometimes?
Seems Obama has unshackled Biden and his unshackled stupidity … crazy crap like Romney and Ryan "unshackling" Wall Street so they can put you back in chains. Good - "good 'ole Joe" stuff. But more importantly ….did I read that Feisty and the tree house kiddos had an imaginary audience with Biden?
Forget health care …. now THAT is a Big F'ing Deal … (when else has Biden ever been the smartest guy in the room?)
Tell us about it Feisty …. Is he as pale, male and
stalestupid in person as he is on TV?Did you guys talk about what was going on in the world of politics, or had Obama put the TV in Joey's room on the Olympics?
Sorry … dumb question ….
So, does he get upset when the little girls get penalized when their legs come apart during their routines, or had Jill explained that Olympic gymnastics was different from his regular special channels?
Did he mention what his favorite events were? …. Did he ask why they didn't have wheelchair high diving events? (And why isn't there handicap access to the 10M Platforms in the diving pools?)
Do the synchronized swimmers, with only their legs wiggling around above the water freak him out …. (their eye make-up freaks me out) …. Does he love the rhythmic gymnastic dancers with their giant cat toys (for seekingsanity: hint –ribbons)?
Did he mentioned if Obama taught the steeplechase winner that Krazy Kenyan dance … (it's pretty good) …
But all jokes aside, it must have been fascinating meeting with one of the few in the inner circle that got Osama bin Laden.
I know he couldn't reveal any classified – top secret information to you guys since you aren't Hollywood producers making a movie about how brave and heroic Obama was, but how about the declassified nefarious terrorist information and documents seized during "the most audacious plan in the last 500 years?"
We all know bin Laden spent a lot of time watching old videos of himself, but I also read that the world's greatest terrorist was also obsessed with American cable news … wasn't a fan of Fox!
Better than that, documents revealed … "I used to think that MSNBC channel may be good and neutral a bit, but it has lately fired two of the most famous journalists –Keith Olbermann and Octavia Nasser the Lebanese."
Gosh … bin Laden sounded like a good lib, sounded like the typical FR tree house kiddo! Can anyone say Osama bin Dumbfuxer? Did he blog … or did he have surrogates like Obama … anyone ever seen something like Ali Akbahouse posts?
Anyway … sounds like a great imaginary time. It sure would be swell if I could be a member and get to know Joe. But since my imaginary tree house membership application has probably been put on ignore for some reason … could you at least answer one question for me?
First, while it is apparent this note was written early in the Obama administration, that bin Laden over- estimated Obama and had no idea how inept Obama really was because he evidently really did watch Olbermann and MSNBC) ….. Osama wrote ……
"Obama is the head of infidelity and killing him automatically will make Biden take over the presidency for the remainder of the term, as is the norm over there. Biden is totally unprepared for that post, which will lead the US into a crisis."
The question is ….
Does Biden even understand what an ultimate disrespect the above is …. When the worst mass murdering terrorist in history thinks you are such a knucklehead … that you are not worth even killing …. or that you are so stupid will do more damage by being left alive …. (Dude – that is so cold.)
Anyway, thanks for your help Feisty.
JoAnnaSmith1
Joe Biden - [in a black accent to a mostly black audience] "They're gonna to put y'all back in chains."
Sniff1,
your mind is already in shackles.
Obama/Biden 2012
4more years for 44
Nothing like the Obama campaign trying to play the race card whenever possible. Biden is obviously a racist, because perpetuating it is what keeps Democrats and civil rights leaders in power. It is amazing that somehow the Democrats have become the party of civil rights, self anointed. Maybe because their liberal supporters so freely ignore history. But there is no mistake that a long history of racism and racial divide exists in the Democratic Party.
Democratic President Woodrow Wilson was the one that brought segregation into the federal government. After the Civil War it was the Democrats that initiated Jim Crow laws designed to keep the black man down. The KKK was founded as the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party. Bull Conor who turned fire hoses on the civil rights marchers in Birmingham Alabama was a Democrat. Most telling is the fact that in September 2011 blacks filed a class action lawsuit against Obama and the Democratic Party for their history of racism.
http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/09/14/blacks-file-class-action-racial-discrimination-suit-against-obama-democrats/
When you have the Democratic Party in control of the House for 46 of the last 60 years, and Democrats in control of the Senate for 40 of the past 60 years, is there any question why racism is alive and well in America? Current unemployment rate among blacks is 14.4%.
Try this one Dennis:
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWRoEpYuHwI
Being sick, not being able to do all the things I used to do leaves me much time to read and think. The RNC ,DNC, and MSM are doing a great disservice to the American people. They divide everybody into little voting blocks - African American, Catholic, Latino, etc. Why can't we just all be Americans? I don't care what religion you are. Not everyone fits a certain profile. Let's argue policy not little voting blocks. Besides, I don't think I fit any particular block unless the have one for brown eyed, bald, sick women.
Think pink!
Now, for those paying attention that REALLY care about racism, this post at 1.37 is what racism really looks like.
Romney and his supporters, including Bill in Fairfax, were quick to jump on Joe Biden for his unfortunate choice of words - using "chains" instead of "shackles" - during a discussion about the Republicans wanting to "unshackle" the economy.
This should come as no surprise. Throughout this campaign Romney and his supporters have been quick to take President Obama's words out of context and resort to outright lies and deception.
Team Obama has avoided this sort of attack. Imagine how easy it would be for them to create an ad highlighting Romney's "greatest hits":
-"I like to fire people"
-"corporations are people too, my friend"
-"my wife has a couple of Cadillacs"
-"I'll bet you $10,000"
-"I don't follow NASCAR but I have friends who are owners"
-college graduates should "take a shot, go for it, take a risk and get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business."
.....none of these "gaffes" have been used by the Obama campaign.
The Obama campaign has also avoided the easy "slam-dunk" ads that could be created from Romney's flip/flops on ALL the major issues:
Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control, Minimum Wage, Taxes....
The Obama campaign may have not taken the "high road" with all of their ads, but they have avoided the easily accesible "low road" Romney built for them.
LIARS. Everything that comes out of the Republicans mouth seems to be a LIE. Ryan, "it's not a fundraiser". Then what the hell else do you call it? A fundraiser by any other name is still a fundraiser. Liars. I'm sick of all of them. VOTE THEM ALL OUT.
OBAMA IN 2012.
Bill, Fairfax VA
"They're going to put y'all back in chains."
it's entirely OK to scratch an old racial wound by associating Republicans with slavery just to score some cheap political points.
To any objective observer, Biden's comments were clearly beneath contempt.
Yo Bill,
Do you know what is contemptible? I'll tell you. It's the racist bullsh!t coming from your t-bagging friends and republican leaders.
Republican official carries Obama's head on a spike, Secret Service pays a visit
Republican Councilman Paul Smith, of Sterling Heights, Michigan, has found himself at the center of controversy after video of him holding a sign that depicted President Obama's head on a spike surfaced after being recorded at a Tea Party rally more than three years ago in April 2009. He also had other signs that included Nancy Pelosi with bullet holes in her head, and a noose around the neck of former Michigan Governor, Jennifer Granholm.
The sign that depicted a decapitated President Obama with blood dripping from his neck contained the statements, "@!$%# on a stick", and "One more day is too many!" and "He changed American into Uganda." which was scrawled out in large letters
The sign that depicted a decapitated President Obama with blood dripping from his neck contained the statements, "@!$%# on a stick", and "One more day is too many!" and "He changed American into Uganda."
http://www.examiner.com/article/republican-official-carries-obama-s-head-on-a-spike-secret-service-pays-a-visit
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http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/ca/72/1344717424_5481_Smith.jpg
Look at that picture Bill.
There is not racism depicted -party there from the T-Potty. Right ??? You people just say and do racist things!!!
When the sh!t comes back at you (supposedly) you whine about being the victims of racism. Pleazzze take yourself and the rest of your whinny, whinny, t-bagger friends to a therapist.
Obama/Biden 2012
4 more years
Joe had quite a day yesterday. One for the books. Comic books.
I suppose I could note that it's not that the left is getting nasty. What's happening is that the left if fighting back. Right-wingers have always defined lefties as passive folks who stand by while they're getting their asses kicked.
These low-intelligence types have jumped to a very, very wrong conclusion. They have confused patience with pacifism, in the same way that the Albanian idiot believes he is envied, when he is actually held in withering contempt.
Yes, I could note that, but I see that no one has attacked Feisty yet. By handling this very important task, there is no need for right-wingers to hang around.
So, Feisty is a troll, a paid shill, has an inside track at MSDNC, and she is very mean and gets away with stuff conservatives don't, and she is very wicked, and she comes from Illinois, and she's a libtard, and a Dumocrap, and any other bad thing that I can't think of right now.
Exactly. Major cuts do horrors to economic growth. The only real logical solution is modest cuts and tax increases. Of course with the GOP, the latter option is impossible.
No Tom, you're the lairs. You lied about shackles, you lied about pushing old ladies off cliffs (look alike Ryan doing so), you lied about how poorly the economy is doing, you lied about all the promises that were made, you lied about halving the deficit, you lied about the stimulus, you lied about blaming others, you lied about Obamacare (turns out it is a tax).
The Left has nothing but lies, and now you're being held accountable.
The POUTRAGE coming from the right wing nitwits regarding Biden's comment this morning is hysterical!
Not ONCE in 4+ years has one of these so called-compassionate conservatives EVER said a positive thing about blacks!!
Now they want us to believe they really give a @!$%#!
Sorry gang... not going to happen!!!
The irony is you preach about lying, then you play the deception game. True, it is a tax. However it is a tax that you will have a deduction for if you have insurance. The only ones with tax increases will be the deadbeats without insurance.
First Read:
That's because he IS a typical politician. And a dishonest one, at that. Despite voting against the Obama stimulus program, he went looking for a handout from the very same stimulus program once it was passed. He keeps getting reelected by his district because he "brings home the bacon" like any other congressman, while the postures as someone who's above that sort of thing.
He's also was a devoted disciple of atheist Ayn Rand up until at least 2009, but now that he's thrown poor Aynie under the bus and claims he "rejects" her philosophy, now that it's become politically inconvenient for a party that wants to win the Religious Right vote. Ayn Rand got the same treatment from Ryan that Jesus got from Judas. Ryan is an unprincipled scoundrel just like his running mate.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
JAS1,
You're kidding right Dennis, its a stereotype that black people talk a certain way. Why dont you ask Mr. harry Reid. Quit playing Victim tool bag.
Hey Dawn, Have you checked out the "Dogs Against Romney" website lately?
I laughed until tears were rolling down my face.
Be sure you catch the music video featuring Miss Swiss Bank Account "I'm a Romney Girl, in a Romney World, He's so plastic, he's fantastic!" Too Funny.
Obama/Biden 2012
Save the USA vote Romney,Ryan in November.
GW please come back we need you.
Are there any real Americans out there or are we all part of some little focus group? Does anyone still love this country or not? Do we have to all agree on every little thing or do we still have freedom of thought?
I am an American, I thought we Americans were better than what I see posted here.
The Obama campaign is the Jerry Springer Show on steroids. Biden is toast. Prediction -- Hilliary will step in last minute. Notice how when Biden was speaking it wasn't like it was four years ago with the large poster behind him touting Obama/Biden. Now it is just barackobama.com.
TOXIC? Waddaya mean "toxic"?
I've got nothing but praise for Mitt Romney and his chosen running mate because....
MITT ROMNEY HAS SAVED AMERICA!
No, it's true.
With his selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate he has doomed his Presidential bid and very well may have enabled the Democrats to take back the House and shore up the majority in the Senate.
We could be looking at a landslide of historic proportions here and it's all thanks to Mitt Romney.
MITT ROMNEY HAS SAVED AMERICA!
Just not the way he had planned.
Obama/Biden 2012
Dogs against Mitt Romney...check it out.
Let the Polliymics begin (Political Olympics) ha we'll see what the Mittster feels like when he gets a taste of his own medicine. The T cans and the republicans did nothing but insult and degrade and try to humiliate Obama for the past year now its your turn you piece of Shi,t
First Read, adopting the Republicon whine:
Sorry, that WAS the "good Biden."Biden needs to keep it up, despite the double standard that the corporate media wants to impose on him and Obama. The media didn't protest at all when Sarah Palin accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists," or when Romney accuses Obama of being un-American to excite his racist party base. But when Biden tells the truth, the media howls along with the Republicons. Their agenda WILL end up putting the American people in the chains of poverty and slave wages if they get their way.
Republicans caused our country to just about blow up. And now their idiot supporters are coming back for more. I guess the damage just wasn't great enough for them. So now they have Ryan, the guy who voted for all of GWB/Cheney's policies, together with Romney, who hasn't a lick of sense about foreign policy or economics. Just like the last GOP Administration.
Republicans are losers. They create deficits (on purpose), then turn around and cut programs that help the middle and working classes, so they can protect the bank accounts of the wealthy, and then just do what always do.
Blame Democrats.
Obama/Biden. They're going to win. We the people will see to it.
The GOP refused to help our country. Refused. Romney magically is now against things he was "for". Let's be clear. Romney isn't "for" anything except himself and Adelson.
The GOP. Their only mission in life is to destroy.
That's the only calling card they have. They can't do anything else. They're incompetent.
Hi Pat in Boston, big shout out to you! Had a wonderful time on our vacation in Boston, the MA area and New England in general. Got to meet and talk with a lot of really nice working/middle class people, man they sure don't like mitt up there, he is not going to carry MA (probably not any of New England either), could it be they already know that his tax returns could show he really never lived there, just ran for governor, held the office, and voted where he was not a resident (a felony)? Could very well be one of the reasons.
Chuck Todd, Domenico, and Murray, Take your heads out of Obama's ass breathe get some fresh air and finally see straight. It's still hard for US to ascertain if Bidens "chain" comments were about Romney and republicans or the banks. Are you guys fricken idiots? He said it with an uneducated southern drawl. Has your bias ever shown so bright? Biden is a race baiting, there not to hard to write is it? Bidens comments ARE racist! SAY IT!!!!!!
Looks like the members of the SturmAbteilung are out in force today and Furher Fisty is leading the charge.
We has skip still worried about dogs, deadbeat texan cutting down people that don't agree with his side, and David Walker Pontificating. Yet not one of these 'fine' upstanding citizens dare talk about the real world.
Lets talk about Annes horse.
The biggest lie being spewed by the Republicans.
Ryan is a fiscal conservative.
Excuse me while I fart.
Ryan voted for 2 unfunded wars and voted for the prescription drug legislation. That is what has been added to spending in Obama's term and that is what has been the largest spending spree in American recorded history.
Actually, the reason the country is in such bad shape is that when it comes to addressing the nation's problems, the dems sling crap and kick the can down the road while the repubs run for the hills.
Bush is the classic example of repubs not fighting back, letting the dems define him as liar .... mocking destortion of "mission accomplished", etc.
Bush should have burned the dems, but chose to be nice guy, be above the crap slinging and now the party pays for it every day.
It's about time someone stands up to the dems in general and the Chicago political punk in particular ... only chance America has if it is to remain even a shell of its former greatness.
Hi Union Baby, oh - I'm so happy you enjoyed yourself in Boston. I didn't realize you were coming. I would have bought you a beer. I'm so so sorry I missed you.
As you saw for yourself, Romney is despised here. As he should be.
You do know that fascism (since you're referring to Nazis) is a far-right system of government, right?
geo, Biden is vice president to a black president, whom he has a close relationship with, and he is a racist?
There isn't a racist bone in his body.
Your party on the other hand?
FULL OF RACISTS. btw, anybody on Romney's team who isn't pure white?
Voter suppression is racist. And it's coming DIRECTLY FROM YOUR PARTY.
SAY IT! Voter suppression is racist.
Ron- interesting post. I don't think this is the type of year for publicity "bumps", it's going to be them vs. us and getting the undecided out in the end. So I think you are seeing those from both parties doubling down on their candidates early on.
On your "it's no longer about the economy and jobs, just a popularity contest"(paraphrasing) note- I think that it's two things: 1. I think that it's an intended tack for the Obama campaign because he's a likable guy, as well as the ads and campaign strategy against Romney to date have been to create a villian (unlikable), and 2. The President's campaign has been making it a point not to point at the statistics regarding the last 3 years and the economy, etc. because it looks really weak (if not like failure).
On the Ryan front, if you saw the Brit Hume (Fox news btw) interview of Ryan you saw Brit not letting Ryan off the hook with vague answers and Ryan reeling himself in regarding the Romney campaign's positions (which clearly haven't been fully vetted or are awaiting some direct presentations by Romney himself and/or some ads are coming soon). I don't think it really was a view at Ryan himself- as we all know he can talk and talk about the structure of budgets and DC programs, so something was up regarding his holding back. I really think he was trying not to steal Romney's fire or he was trying to lead up to some announcements.
I do agree that the campaign should be one solely of the issues- Our national debt and lack of a congressional budget, our economy and how to expand it, the job market and how to get it going, the rebuilding of our taxation system in a way that everyone pays fairly (both ends of the spectrum), government waste and overspending, government growth over state's rights, individual choice vs. government control, that it's the people's money- not the government's, rebuilding our social security and medicare programs fairly, etc. Those need to be relentlessly brought back into the debate- don't let the politicians give vague answers and point fingers, give us real answers and where you are going to go if elected/re-elected. It's called a platform, well forgotten these days.
Who?
Pat from the most racist town in America- By voter suppression you mean like what the black panthers did , and our black att. general did nothing about. You proudly support intimidation at the voting booths? You think by Biden saying that Romney would put them ie blacks back in chains that he is not calling Romney a racist? I thought you might be able to understand but I overestimated your intelligence. Sorry!
Hey Everbody, listen up!
Liar, Tax-Cheat, possible Felon, Flip Flopper, RetroActive Retirement, hidden Swiss Bank accounts, Cayman Island "slush-funds", 10 Years of Not paying any Taxes, Outsourcing to China and Mexico, Bush, Cheney, Karl Rove, Wall Street, Haliburton Oil, Blackwater Mercenaries, did I mention Retiring RetroActively from Bain Capital as CEO to Avoid criminal Felony Charges while still drawing a Million dollar salary?
I'd say that's pretty TOXIC, wouldn't you agree?
That's why as a Republican I'm encouraging Everybody, and I mean Everbody, to Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012, to make sure that Mitt Romney and his side-kick Paul Ryan do Not Destroy our fragile Middle-Class. That is what they want to do.
And I should know! I'm a Republican.
Let's send Mitt Romney and the Republicans "Back to the Dung Heap of History", ok?
Just look at the way this bozo Rob-me is running his campaign. He wants everyone to forget about his refusal to release his tax returns, so he makes a big splash announcement of his VP candidate choice (and screwed that up by introducing Ryan as 'your next President!), but promptly goes on the offensive and starts calling Obama names in an obvious effort to run a clean campaign. Then, his stupid wife comes out and says 'We're not hiding anything, but we won't show it to you.'
If the guy can't run a campaign against a supposedly hated and incompetent sitting President, how much better would he be in the actual job? Not a chance.
RomneyRyan
now I know why you love the Republican party so much....Is that why Romney doesn't hire women either? Can't find competent ones?
Democratic posters, if we are going to cut through the Romney/Ryan lies, we need to get fact check info out to the public.
Where possible please include fact checks in your posts, if you are not already doing so.
Remember, Romney is only telling the truth 29% of the time according to politifact.com.
Im sorry Xaber, perhaps I should mention you are tsar of the KGB? would that make you feel better? You realize it doesnt matter when your fringe on either side of the coin right?
The Republicans sat around watching Gen. Patton explaining how the allies were going to destroy the enemy - the Nazi's.
And they used that clip to inspire them to destroy the enemy - our President of the United States.
Disgusting human beings. And Ryan sat in on that little get together.
Our own president is considered "the enemy", along with the rest of us who don't want to scam the system on behalf of the wealthy.
Dennis @ 1.11 -- are you really this dense?
Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Barack Obama all slip into the black accent when convenient. and dont forget Harry Reid's comment -- "Barack Obama had a good chance to become the nation's first black president because he was “light-skinned” and spoke with “no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one.”."'
That accent Dennis, your question is simply intellectually dishonest.
JoAnn,
What the hell is a black accent?
I guess this comment says it all "RomneyRyan Deleted" 2012
This RomneyRyan poster needs to be booted off. I don't appreciate the racist jokes.
Feisty - I see you rolled the rock back again today. You really need to stop doing that since all the little right wingers eagerly crawl out!
Romney is the least likable presidential candidate EVER and no amount of harsh rhetoric against President Obama is going to change that.
Romney has no programs; no proposals; no plans; just wants to be President so he can beat daddy. And, this is the BEST the GOP has? How utterly pitiful.
Women know that any ticket with Ryan on it is a step back 100 years for women's rights. No intelligent woman is going to vote GOP this year. Seniors know better than to pick the GOP. The poor knows they will get poorer and the middle class will be doomed.
Let's see - that leaves few to vote for the GOP. And, before you talk about the 1% - most of them are actually Democrats so there won't be many of those voting for the GOP.
That leaves the ignorant women; pale, stale, backward men. There ya got it!
I love that Anne Romney is now - again - defending the fact that Romney has not released even one full year of tax returns. According to her when they release them it just gives the Democrats more to attack them with. Well doesn't that just say it all? If nothing is wrong, there is nothing to attack.
And, this is the BEST the GOP has? Pathetic!
Obama/Biden 2012
geo, voter suppression is all about denying blacks the right to vote for their President. That's racist. We here in MA aren't pulling that crap.
Your party believes in either stealing or buying the election.
And by stealing, I'm talking about denying blacks the right to vote.
You got that?
Getting better, but you still need work on the whole 'coherent sentence' thing.
Romney Ryan you are just as bad as the democrats you are trying to demean. Phinephancy's comments above say it all. We should be better than all the mud slinging and rude insults. We should be able to disagree and be able to still have respect for each other.
But it's so much fun playing whack-a-troll! ☺
I can't wait to see the debate Ryan / Biden. Sorry for " Lunch Bucket" Biden , he is going to make the ridiculous. Is he going to speak ebonic, like union leader or like him. Just asking
All Obama has is name calling, unfounded accusations, scare tactics, etc. Nothing to stand on and he won't risk committing to anything. Just who we need in office...
"Change", pffft
Pat,
Voter ID is not racist.
You guys like facts, so try this one.
If we took all the income that people made over 250k and taxed it at 100 percent, then taxed all profit from companies at 100 percent we would still not have enough money for our present budget.
President Obama has been far from truthful with the American public.
Both parties tell us what we want to hear.
How about the pentagon cuts? When our political leaders learned that it would cut jobs in their states they are balking. We have 5,000 M1 tanks, only 2,000 are ready to deploy, 3,000 are in storage. The pentagon wants to stop production so they can work on improving them. No we cannot do that we would lose jobs. That is exactly what we need to stop.
The Democrats want us to use less Oil, ok fine, than we need to control our population growth, so what does President Obama do? Gives a free pass to illegal immigrants. We cannot meet our future energy needs with solar and wind power. We will need to build more power plants that use other fuels. The more people, the more power that will be needed.
There is a big push for free range farms. The fact is we do not have enough land to do that. At the same time there is a push for us to live in higher density apartments. It is nice that we want our food to have more rights than we do.
We need honesty from both parties, what are we stuck with?
Bill in Fairfax,
careful with using false equivalencies to McCarthyism incorrectly as you do. Remember he was a republican from Wisconsin, just like Ryan....
RomneyRyan
his wife or mother don't count.
Losman ask the Harry and Democrats, they seem to capitalize off the blacks and their 'accent'.
I mean ask Feisty, It lives in the whitest trailer park in Illinois yet has faux claims of racism towards anyone white.
I guess you'll have to talk to Harry Reid, he seems to know:
....if you saw the Brit Hume (Fox news btw) interview of Ryan you saw Brit not letting Ryan off the hook with vague answers and Ryan reeling himself in regarding the Romney campaign's positions (which clearly haven't been fully vetted or are awaiting some direct presentations by Romney himself and/or some ads are coming soon).
Great analysis Joe. I saw parts of the interview last night and thought the same thing. Brit wanted to pin Ryan down on the latest version of his budget to pass the house; but since this budget is essentially dead since it will never even get to the floor of the Senate, it is irrelevant. Ryan did the right thing not trying to get too detailed in his answers because the elements of his budget that will ultimately be important are only the ones that will be included in Romney's version of it that should be forthcoming.
Gwaddammit!, "You're cutting Medicare the wrong way"! You're cutting costs! Aye gwad!, "Me and Paul are cutting benefits"! You insane sum-bitch! So says Mittens.
Ryan to Brit Hume about which parts and where He and Romney would change the tax code. "Um, ah, er, ahem, aw, well, um, ahhh, You know, umm, ah, needs to be done in the light of day". ????????????????????????? A politician above the usual fray huh?
Ann Romney to 30 rock news center. Pleadingly, and with an acceptable frown depicting some pain. The more information on our taxes We release, the more people attack us! We are good people and pay our taxes! Mittens was hunkered down beneath Her skirt while She begged.
Hee.hee,umm, ah, real smart pair the GOP have chosen. Today Ryan meets Adelson. He's the old man who's still trying to get a stolen AC unit smuggled into hell. They probably plan a day of crap shooting and deep discussions on "money Laundering". GOP needs to empty Its "chamber pot". Smells! Gwad!, does it smell!
Xabre
Getting better, but you still need work on the whole 'coherent sentence' thing.
Thats the best you got xabre? Keep hanging out with Fisty, it seems to think it gets the best of people too. Keep up the good work. Hows the laser focus coming from the DNC and Obama by the way?
Paul Ryan on stimulus: can I have some more please?
Paul Ryan was against stimulus before he was for it; or is it he was for it at the same time he was against it?
We will only have to put up with RomneyRyan for another couple of weeks. Grade school starts near the end of August.
Fisty,
You are exactly what is wrong with the democratic party these days. You think your party can sling mud and make outrageously false claims about the other side with no accountability. You are a party hack that can not form an original thought to save your life. You turn to MSN and the Huffington Post and most likely Media Matters for your information and talking points. I have never seen you post your own opinions. You post a few sentences said by someone on the right and then put your little goofy comments in there and at no point do you post anything intellegent. Reading your posts is like watching TMZ make comments about celebrities. Why dont you tell us all what your actuall opinions are on issues and not just your typical liberal talking points.
Apparently it's all that I need. Thoughts are meaningless if you are unable to articulate them.
"Republicans is going ta take you back ta da plantation, dey is going ta make you slave"
The Republican's plan to "save America": Obama is a failure,Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure.......
you act like a sitting president being a failure isnt good enough to vote someone else in? You act like he should get a guaranteed re-election. Next you'll want to crown him.
Naaaah, FIRST READ finally caught up with romney/ryan and figured out they are a troll retread. They are toast.
Obama/Biden 2012
Houston -
One fairly major correction to your post about Ryan and the stimulus money: he actually voted for both of Obama's stimulus plans!
In fact, Paul Ryan voted for the Bush tax cuts, the Bush Medicare expansion, No Child Left Behind, and supported both of Bush's wars.
Ryan also voted for the 2008 stimulus package, TARP bailouts, the auto bailouts, and the 2009 stimulus.
Oh, then AFTER that he became a "fiscal hawk".
Paul Ryan SHOULD be an expert on the debt and deficits - He voted for all the major legislation that caused it!!
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
“Madame Speaker, this bill offends my principles. But I’m going to vote for this bill in order to preserve my principles.” – Paul Ryan
skip Nicholson, Oklahoma City
Naaaah, FIRST READ finally caught up with romney/ryan and figured out they are a troll retread. They are toast.
Obama/Biden 2012 sediton
Sure skip, First Read couldnt figure itself out of a paper bag. Skip are you still a believer in anyone that critisizes Obama should be jailed? Ahmadinejad would love you. I promise he would
Phine-- your posts are a breath of fresh air in a very polluted world. You should change your name to truethinker. I hope you find a way to beat what ails you.
We are all Americans, but we have very different ideas of what our country should look like going forward. With both candidates taking the low road it is hard to imagine their followers doing anything else.
Good grief TNSEVOL, have you been tooling around on Mars with the Rover lately, or are you just a flat out liar? The "Obama campaign" includes more than just the ads his campaign funds directly. It also includes surrogates like the McCarthyite Harry Reid who toss out unsubstantiated lies as well as ads funded by PACs that support Obama and remarks made by Democratic functionaries.
For example, on January 9, 2012 Debbie-Wasserman-Schultz the DNC chair issued a statement slamming Romney for "saying... today that he likes to fire people" and even scheduled a press conference with a laid off worker to push that meme. Then of course there's the Obama Super PAC ad from Priorities USA that suggests Romney is responsible for the death of a laid off steel worker's wife. And let's not forget deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter's remarks on July 12 which implied Romney was either a liar or a felon.
There's a lot more examples where those came from, so put a cork in it pal. You have no game.
Feisty - wow the right wingers took the really low road today. I see they are appropriately represented by their RomneyRyan poster who I think truly says it all the way the GOP does. He speaks GOP talk. It's amazing that the only supporters of the GOP are lowlifes like him.
It is good to see the President fighting back against Romney's aimless attacks and putting Mitt in his place. I can't wait until November when we send Romney back to the Caymans; Switzerland; wherever it is he is claiming his his home!
Obama/Biden 2012
TNSEVOL
Ryan's excuse: they made me do it.
Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)
Paul Ryan on Education
-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)
Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes
Caesar Augustus-
Losman ask the Harry and Democrats, they seem to capitalize off the blacks and their 'accent'.
I mean ask Feisty, It lives in the whitest trailer park in Illinois yet has faux claims of racism towards anyone white.
Little Caesar,
You live in a cardboard box on skid row and pee in a jar. How much time do you get at the public library's computer to post your venomous bullsh!t; town crier?
Get some shelter. President Obama has programs for homeless people like you; if you served your country. Of course, you could always hook up with a social worker. While you're there have them check out your head too.
http://www.democrats.org/people/veterans_and_military_families
4 more for 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Yes they have, First Read, Obama Campaign online headquarters does daily. Look at the lefty fools in here use the same material day in day out.
hey beverly. Hows the gas prices in Chitown. last I heard highest in the nation. Kinda like the murder rate huh? Im sure you're ok with squalor though.
Deadbeat,
And what does the DNC sell? Honesty, hard work and integrity? Its funny that you clowns keep saying this same thing over and over about the GOP being a bunch of liars and hate filled. Has Obama told the truth on anything? They guy hates the right and thinks of them as the enemy. Nice that the president of the US calls half of the nation enemies. Barry is a wimp and a commie.
Romney/Ryan is a plant from the RNC that trolls the net all day to reek havoc
It is interesting that Paul Ryan is a 7-term congressman with a personal net worth several million dollars through inheritance, yet a champion "small government!"
The benefits Congress vote for themselves - retirement, health care, massive salaries for very little work - far exceed any Union contract they can name. Paul Ryan has been "suckling at the Government teet" for 14 years and has massive ownership of the current debt and size of government.
Hypocrisy to an extreme.
Nice dog.
Pat from Boston needs to face the facts on racism and which party embraced it. Just because the Democratic Party wants to pretend to be the party of the people, don't mean history supports their ruse. Democrats calling someone else a racist seems aimed at trying to hide behind a smokescreen. What have the Democrats actually done to help blacks in this country? The current unemployment rate among blacks is 14.4%. Here is a history lesson for you.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK
Some party of the people.
RomneyRyan
Hey,
It's Bev In Chicago.
How's life?
Congrats on your's towns new title as Homicide King of the US.
lollll
Hey Romney/Ryan fool,
Look at how you idol is about to tighten up chains.
http://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/116869_600.jpg?w=655
@RomneyRyan
Funny that Feisty (aka Jen Psaki-Paid Obama Troll) would delete posts, what a coward. Such as the liberal mindset, "If you don't share our beliefs we will attack you and revoke your constitutional right to free speech". Similar to the Socialist President of the Foodstamp Nation.
Caesar Augustus-
hey beverly. Hows the gas prices in Chitown. last I heard highest in the nation. Kinda like the murder rate huh? Im sure you're ok with squalor though.
Little Caesar,
If I were you, I'd be more worried about the elements of nature destroying your cardboard box home. Or a stray dog peeing in it while you're at the public library posting your heartfelt desire.
BTW: Looking for food and money standing on the corner is your biggest worry; not gasoline. You may also have a problem being sprayed with a few bullets too; because people like you hate homeless people.
Hadji/Dopey 2012 "Feudal system works great, trust me"
Bev, at least i wont get gunned down. besides, I have obama, he'll eat the dam dog. Now scurry along to ESL class
Even though my personal opinion is that Biden simply mispoke, and should have found a better way to articulate his point, let's assume for a second that he was intentionally race baiting.
Please explain to me how that is any different than Mitt Romney calling the President's ideas as "foreign" or Romney surrogates saying that Obama is "Unamerican".
It is an obvious example of hypocrisy when Romney resorts to mudslinging, divisivenss, and anger to criticise Obama's campaign of doing the same thing.
I'd say it's the "pot calling the kettle black" but I can only image the faux outrage from the right for a racist remark.
Frankly, I think it reeks of desperation on the part of Romney's campaign that they are going to try and call foul on the Obama campaign for this. The entire Romney campaign is dodge-and-deflect and I believe the electorate will see right through it.
I don't know what's more disgusting. The Northeastern Yankee liberal saying "Y'all" to a black crowd or the representative of the party that actually kept slaves and fought a war to keep slaves and extend slavery talking about putting "y'all" back in chains.
Either way a deplorable speech.
RomneyRyan,
That is too big.
I'm going to the store.
I'll have two of those.
RomneyRyan is younger than I thought. Need to get started on 2nd grade before he heads off to the new school year and gets trounced by his 8 year old schoolmates.
Beverly in Chicago
someone suggested to me to stop feeding the troll and I agreed. "Ignore" works great!
Puhleeeeeze people- Romney complaining about DIVISEVENESS?
Lets see, only from the 2008 campaign:
FROM: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/09/uselections2008.johnmccain4
FROM: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/palin-obama-is-palling-around-with-terrorists/
Sarah Palin: " Our opponent though, is someone who sees America it seems as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country?” That's not divisive or negative, no no no!
FROM: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/oct/14/mccain-palin-obama-racism
Furthermore; if anyone alive today were alive in the early 1800s we would ALL be appalled by teh extreme negativity that was PRINTED in Broadsides by ALL political parties. In fact, most small market newspapers were run by the various political parties of the time. Anyone who thinks Obama or Romney will NOT use negative ads and agrees with either party when they whine about them is foolish.
I dont think the black community is as stupid as the democRATS think they are. They know how to add and subtract and bozo has subtracted jobs from them from day ONE! The ONLY party to keep them "in chains" IS the democRATS!
Rick-3416939
Hey Rick, it's 2012, not 1960s. While the Democrats move forward with the times and changes, the Republicans are trying to go backwards.
And guess what, the Democrats of 1960s are the equivalent to Republicans of 2012 and vice versa.
Says the person that has done nothing but sling out attacks towards other posters.
How's living that do as I say, not as I do lifestyle treating you?
ACountry..... Let's see if I can explain this so all the mental midgets of the right will understand it. We have more people getting government assistance because we are in the worst recession since the Great Depression. Because the Congressional GOP has blocked every effort - and made none of their own - to help increase jobs, there are not enough jobs for everyone. Thus, and if you really try you'll understand this, more people are on food stamps.
So, in reality, the current Republican party is the cause of our high numbers on government assistance. You'd think your party could actually do SOMETHING right, wouldn't you?
Obama/Biden 2012
Yes,
Your contributions have been so politically novel.
lol
thats cuz baylLIe got caught, well lying. no loss of mine really.
RomneyRyan, look i understand why you doing what doing but belittling the blacks only emboldens the libtards on here. The country needs to work to dismantle the Hard left machine that continues to keep the our fellow americans down. I get tired of the different grievance classes the left wants to put people in. Why is the left such xenophobes?
In short RomneyRyan you arent helping the situation
To all of you who are up in arms about chains, try reading or listening to the whole paragraph in context. Biden said that the Republicans want to take the chains off of the banks and put them back on the people. Are any of you conservatives able to string thoughts together and understand whole paragraphs at once?!
Some of you are fretting about racist remarks. Yet it is you who are using the term "black accent." And if you are so worried about racism, why aren't you calling out the poster known as RomneyRyan?
I actually like Joe Biden. But, his comments were off the hook yesterday. Also, the only thing that is demonstrably untrue about campaign 2012, is the assertion by Obama and his followers that he actually did anything in the last four years. His economic policies are woefully inadequate, jobs are not being created and investors aren't making any "longterm" money. His foreign policy is only stabilized by the fact that the Clintons have pretty much run it for him, and our military has little, if any respect for him. Obama just isn't Presidential material. It's time for everyone to grow up, admit that to themselves and move on.
DEMOCRATS FOR ROMNEY 2012
I predict the 2012 POTUS Campaign will be on of the Dirtiest Campaigns in the history of the United States.
On the 1 hand, the Conservatives offer-up a self-made business man, without the ability to speak, not even with a teleprompter. Romney's voice is weak, he doesn't sound authoritative, and of course and as usual, the lame stream media won't cut him any slack. Let's face it, if it's not Liberal, it's not going to get honest or objective review or discussion from the Lame Stream Media.
On the other hand, Democrats and Progressives (how many names does a liberal have anyway) have only a beautifully wrapped and gifted teleprompter reader, who can no longer conceal who he is or the nature of what his plans for America are.... (this is who he is: http://www.youtube.com/embed/QXEoQJ7ZMZs?feature=player_detailpage)
And Obama it's impossible for Obama to conduct his re-election campaign based on accomplishments, because there are none. Only broken promises and more lies, from a professional politician, who's never done anything without the help of someone else, using their money. The 1 exception for Obama is, the killing of Osama Ben Laden, which or course he was only able to do (technically, by giving the order) with Bush & Cheney's personal assassination team, as Obama once referred to Seal Team 6 when he was a Senator. So much for the then Senator's promise to capture Osama and give him a fair trial. Thank God that didn't happen.
Therefore, the only tricks Obama has left in his bag of politics are (1) Dirty rotten lies, mis-truths, and attacks, attacks, attacks (Politics as usual, so much for HOPE & CHANGE), and (2) A Lame Stream Liberal News Media that's all to willing to spread the fire of lies and mis-truths.
As a voter, honest tax payer, and someone who cares for America, now and for the future, I'll vote for anyone over Obama, but I sure as hell don't like Romney either.
And for all the cry baby liberals saying "Let me see Romney's Tax Returns", read this, and tell me you're not a hypocrite. http://www.rollcall.com/news/nancy_pelosi_downplays_tax_return_demand-216283-1.html
You read that right, 97% of the assclowns in both legislative branches have yet to disclose their income tax records. Chief among them, none other than the queen of dumb, Nancy Pelosi... who sit's in her lofty $30,000/month office (paid for by the taxpayers of the nation), in the second-most bankrupt state of the union.
there is just as much racism on the left, they just hide it and play the card quicker.
Bill in Fairfax -- Your outrage doesn't ring true. Perhaps if you wrote a long essay on the disgusting filth that comes out of the mouths of some of politicians on the Republican side you would be more believable. Until then you are merely stoking partisan divide, the very thing you claim to be so distasteful.
RomneyRyan is obviously a Lib flying a false flag. Only idiots on the right or left take this douche seriously.
Bayllie
Nor the Democrats of the 60 Robert Kennedy Democrats or Democrats of the 70 or even from 80 resemble the 2000 Democrats extremists, they rather be buried with the face looking down that see what has become the Democratic party in control of the extremists and Communists
Top 12 Reasons to Vote Democrat
1. I voted Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my German Shepherd.
2. I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene, but the government taxing the same gallon of
gas at 15% isn't.
3. I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job
of spending the money I earn than I would.
4. I voted Democrat because Freedom of Speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
5. I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers
and thieves.
6. I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.
7. I voted Democrat because I'm not concerned about millions of babies being aborted so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.
8. I voted Democrat because I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care, education, and Social Security benefits, and we should take
away the social security from those who paid into it.
9. I voted Democrat because I believe that businesses should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as the Democrats see fit.
10. I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.
11. I voted Democrat because I think that it's better to pay billions for their oil to people who hate us, but not drill our own because it might upset some endangered beetle, gopher or fish.
12. I voted Democrat because my head is so firmly planted up my ass, it's unlikely that I'll ever have another point of view.
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Phinephancy, sorry to hear you're not doing well hope everything works out. Unfortunately know one is listening to you, they are all wrapped up in their party rhetoric, spewing their hate,and quite frankly acting rather childish with their ridiculous name calling
RomneyRyan
You have a lot of deleted posts. This little gem might help you understand why.
First of all the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act only Replace Provision 2 of the Glas-Steagall act. Senator Glas himself spent the rest of his Career in the Senate trying to get this provision repealed because it was too detrimental to the recovery from the Great Depression.
Second, the blame for the Great Depression was decided politically, not by facts. Everyone understood that the market had crashed. They understood that and inordinate amount of loans had been made to purchase securities. They also new that banks not only loaned money, but also gave investing counselling, , acted as brokers, and themselves were investing in the market with every available penney.
The final investigative report showed that although a few banks did this, it was extremely limited in scope. The report showed that banks had been approached by investors, who had either received broker or investing advice elsewhere, or decided to act on their own. Because the returns appeared so good and safe, banks had no problem loaning the money.
This still does not explain why the crash in 1929. We know that the companies were extremely profitable. We know that inordinate amounts of money was being fed into the system causing Stocks to inflate drastically. The question is what on earth caused the stock to drop so quickly.
In Early 1927, the Coolidge Adminstration became concerned at the increasingly sharp growth in the value of the stock market. Everyone understood that if this would pop, the collapse would be major. They agreed but did not know how to act.
From the Cabinet meeting minutes, no one had a solution that would work. A bill from congress to limit lending on stocks had no support. Limiting this practice would be like killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Finally, Commerce Secretary Hoover began promoting increasing the interest rate for borrowing from the Federal Reserve Bank. Again, this is according to the meeting minutes of the Coolidge Cabinet meetings.
In 1928, the Federal Reserve announced they were raising interest rates to "curb" inflation. Looking back at records in 1928, the only significant inflation was the stock market value. In 1928, the Federal Reserve raised the interest rates from .5% (had been that low for some years now) to 5.5%. When the rate got high enough banks stopped getting money from the Federal Reserve. Starting in 1929, the money in circulation began to drop and continued until the money supply shrunk by 33% in 1932. By June 1929, banks began ending loans for securities as they ran out of cash reserves to lend. The stock market began to level off and then started to decline in September.
What occured on Black Friday is that many financial institutions decided the market had reached it's peak and they should remove more money from the market to preserve profits to realize the gains. First thing on Friday (the market's profit taking selling day) was to put more than double the sell orders out. That is what triggered the crash, because the unusually high sell orders cause the market to drop in value quickly. As the market dropped quickly those who borrowed under higher interest rates started selling. The more it dropped the more sell orders were cut.
The people committing suicide were investment brokers and investors who had borrowed money or invested other peoples money and were experiencing huge losses of money that they could never repay to banks and investors.
Bank insolvencies didn't actually begin to occur until 1930 when the losses on the loans began to be realized.
The financial crash in 2008 is similar. At the bottom of the pile of problems is government manipulating things, because it benefits politicians.
Glas-Steagall is nothing.
TNSEVOL
I googled up some web page aritcles that said this, but apparently, Ryan did vote against the stimulus:
http://articles.boston.com/2012-08-14/politics/33190233_1_stimulus-funds-energy-efficiency-energy-costs
The confusion about him voting for the stimulus has apparently been caused by his hypocritical acceptance of Obama's stimulus funds, even though he voted against the stimulus.
bayllie says, "Hey Rick, it's 2012, not 1960s. While the Democrats move forward with the times and changes, the Republicans are trying to go backwards."
Liberals are totally unaffected by facts, by reality, and by their surrounding. It is amazing to think that if nothing ever sticks to liberals, how do liberals stick to the earth?
No, but since it targets Democratic-leaning minorities and voter groups, it can be construed as a case of election fraud.
First of all, let's help you out by moving the number to around $384,000, the starting point for the top 1%. Considering that that they control about 21% of the nation's total income (in 2010), that would total to around $3.066 trillion, which would give us a trillion dollar surplus. If you add corporate profits, it would add to the surplus considerably.
So has Mitt Romney. What's your point???
That's politics; so what's your point???
Oh bull@!$%#. Why the hell must we keep giving welfare to the defense industry while we cut billions from social programs??? EVERYTHING should be on the table, and if Congress can't get it's act together, then let the cards fall where the may and let the fiscal cliff happen.
Technically, since solar and wind are technically renewable, we can meet future energy needs. However, we need a transition period of perhaps 10-20 years. In that time, we could simply use nuclear power to bridge the gap of declining fossil fuel consumption and rising renewable usage. And who says we need population control???
Both parties lying, but one being semi-reasonable and the other being bat-crap crazy.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
truetexan
False - The legal contract dealing with property rights, asset allocation, inheritance and hospital visitation is a contract. Thus, animals can not enter into a legal state-based contract.
I'm sorry that you have developed an emotional connection to a legal document, and that your intelligence prevents you from recognizing the logical fact that "marriage" is ONLY a contract, and nothing more. I suppose overly-emotional people like yourself have difficulty grasping the truth.
False - This is an issue of consistency. If you are against handouts to the auto industry, or alternative energy companies, then oil should fall into the same parameters. Why should oil get special treatment?
False - Under Republican Presidents the government spending has increased at a greater rate than Democrats.
False - Freedom of Speech exists regardless of who is offended. There have been no laws to restrict Freedom of Speech. Whether someone becomes offended has nothing to do with the law.
False - Many Democrats own guns. They only wish that convicted felons and the mentally unstable can not acquire guns. You obviously feel that felons and mentally unstable citizens should be fully armed.
False -The Republican Koch brothers spent millions to fund a study with the sole intention of dis-proving global warming. Their study proved it is real. Again... a REPUBLICAN STUDY PROVED IT IS REAL. I can only imagine how upset this makes you.
False - A fetus is not a baby. Furthermore, we can not afford more people. If you would like to pay for all of them, be my guest. But I do not want to pay for more welfare babies just because you have an emotional attachment to a parasitic mass of cells.
False - Illegal aliens are specifically excluded from the ACA.
False - A complete lie that you just made up. This has never been stated.
False - BOTH sides try to re-write the constitution to fit their needs.
False - The VAST majority of our oil comes from Canada. Last I checked, Canada does not "hate us".
Petty insult. Is that the best you can do?
Romney's use of the word "anger" is a racial code word for an angry black man. Not surprising since Mormons have a racial history.
Is THAT the best you can do? We probably cant afford you and might have been spared with one more abortion. I dont agree with abortion but cant figure out why. After all the majority of the abortions are by libs. Sooooo we have less to deal with. I may need to rethink this one. You need to start useing your own brain and do your own research instead of being the typical liberal sheeple spewing lib b.s.
Just sayin.
Nasty this campaign is not getting nasty.
Nasty would be if Romney came out and said,
"Obama is a communist. He was raised by a communist mother to see mainstream America as "the problem." He was mentored by Bill Aires a domestic terrorist who took part in the bombing of Federal buildings in SF and NY.'
Or he could just say that "President Obama's legacy is the highest poverty rate in the history of the US and more people on Food Stamps than EVER."
Both are true and would be "NASTY"
Yes, I see Ann Romney will be on Rock Center Thursday night telling us why Mittens shouldn't submit more than one year of taxes (2011) and an estimate of their 2012 tax returns (whatever an estimate will show us).
Ms. Romney stated that Democrats will have ammunition to use against Mittens if any more tax returns are submitted to the American public (again, what that ammunition is, no one should know). I'm sure the Ryan/Romney ticket confirmed there wouldn't be any "ammunition" in Ryan's tax returns, but who knows how many years Ryan gave the campaign (i.e., several, or a couple, of a bunch....who knows what those terms mean).
Ms. Romney goes on to say that she and Mittens have had a blind trust since 2002 and that she "would like to know what's in the Trust too".
The mystery goes on, and on, and on, and it needs to be solved.
Crying from Republicans and Democrats is all I see here.
Honestly infantile, and that is why you have these mutants who can't, for the life of them, actually listen to the arguements of the other party that don't agree with them.
Seriously babylike are the fanatics of the Republicans, or the fanatics of the Democrats.
Thankfully, the people of only one party voting make more noise than their affect on the presidential election.
No outrage, of course, that both parties are acting like idiots and that the intelligent people who actually try to cross the aisle don't belong only on one side of it or the other. Oh, and those intelligent people are crushed by the idiot radicals of their own party who can only think one way.
So much so that you had to go back to the Civil War to find an example.
truetexan
It's natural to respond with insults when you no longer have facts or research to back-up your claims. You have provided zero evidence to support your claims, and I have proved them all incorrect. So "thank you", for bowing out of the argument and accepting defeat.
I am still curious, however... how does it feel to know that YOUR party, and the Koch brothers, spent millions on a study that proved global warming is real? Your own party funded a study that proved it is real. You Republicans have PROOF, from your own people, that it is real. How does that feel? Does it twist your stomach? Cause a burning feeling in your gut? Do you feel betrayed? Do you now question your own party? I can only imagine how angry that must make you.
By the way, poor grammar does not help to support your argument. If anything, it further discredits your statements.
In the movie A Time to Kill, the lawyer gives his closing argument telling the jury to close their eyes and listen to a story. He describes, in slow and painful detail, the rape of a young 10-year-old girl. He then asks the jury, in his final comment, to: "now imagine she's white." Rightwingers, imagine this:
Romney has NO idea what it is like to be unfairly attacked about anything. Especially in regard to the most basic transparency expected from all presidential candidates – The most basic requirement Team Romney demanded of all individuals being vetted for his VP!
Romney -- Stop throwing temper tantrums, stop making lame excuses, stop blaming the Democrats, and just come clean.
The election needs to focus on these 4 items.
The economy, which means Romney needs to talk about Bain.
Obamacare, which means Romney needs to talk about Romneycare.
Medicare, which means Romney needs to talk about his plan and Eddie's plan.
Taxes, which means Romney has to talk about his tax returns, preferrably disclose them, then we'll have questions for him.
We will find out which Mitt surfaces, the Presidential Mitt or the snake oil salesman Mitt.
No offense to snake oil intended.
The way I see it we do NOT have a viable candidate for president. Obuma has screwed the nation for 3 1/2 years and and Romney well his running mate scares me. We need to find a third party candidate that is worth voting for as I see it staying home is almost the best choice as we get to pick between two losers with too much money to screw us over!!!
Incredible, isn't it to use Mitt Romney's standby deflection "I'll have to get back to you on that" and "You'll just have to trust me on that." Obviously voters want to know details of plans BEFORE they vote.
And of course Team Romney/Rove, et al, would LOVE to have a nasty race. This kind of race causes apathy and disdain and lower voter turn-out. But since Romney selected Paul Ryan, the election is now a choice between failed supply-side voodoo economics + an Ayn Rand plutocracy twist + legislating morality + neocon warmongering. It's more than a trifecta of "rightwing social engineering," it's the Perfect Storm of all there is to despise!
LAST WEEK the RWNJ's were ALL CONFIDENT about Bishop Willard...
today they have forgotten him,
Bishop Willard introduced RYAN as THE NEXT POTUS
they seem to believe it !
...and now they are running on the reputation of a guy
who has put forth a SUM TOTAL of TWO PIECES of LEGISLATION in the many terms he has "served"!!
talk about "lightweight compared to Palin"
Romney cannot RUN FAST ENOUGH from his TAX PROBLEM
so to divert from that
he will throw Paul Ryan under the Bus & let HIM take all of the flak for awhile .
I guess if you are used to hiding behind "Dressage" & "French Draft Dodging" offshore tax havens & elevators for your cars in your 2nd home...
Bishop Willard associates RUNNING with HIDING.....
it makes no difference if you are running FOR POTUS or FROM normal & logical QUESTIONS
about your own past..
Bishop Willard always looks perfectly normal in a crouched position with frozen Deer-eyes...
especially when he needs to speak the TRUTH !!
Romneyhood for the 1% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan the Vulture of our Seniors !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Obamacare is so great for seniors and the 700 billion dollar cut isn't going to hurt anything why is it they don't take full effect until after the election, and why are unions exempt from the awesome plan? If it was so great why not start this year so eveyone could see how awesome Obamacare is giving him more support during an election?
My guess is because over 50% don't like the idea now when they're not really sure how it will affect them, when they find out it will be much worse and Obama knew it so he phased most of it in after his re-election bid. What a piece of work that guy is.
Geat system you have here, First Read & Newsvine!
You all should call it First Collapse or CollapseVine!
I'm sure your readers appreciate, having to wade through hundreds of comments which are collapsed for NO REASON!
What a JOKE!
Annie wants us all to believe that they have no idea about their income and their finances and that they somehow amassed tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars of wealth via blind luck.
Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Romney will release his tax returns when Obama releases his college records. Can you say Foreign exchange student! I'm not saying he wasn't born in America and that he doesn't have a birth certificate because I believe he was born here and does have one. I'm saying he lied to get special considerations when applying to schools like Columbia and Harvard which would never have accepted him based on his grades.
I like how when Romney is being asked a tough question his eyes start to shift back and forth in his head. He looks like one of those paintings of a human figure hanging on the wall in a mystery movie. Pan to the painting and the eyes of the person in the painting are shifting back and forth.
Rod, as opposed to Obama who just looks at the prompter ,see how that works.
Reaganomics was designed for "GENOCIDE" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Romney is a big, whiny baby. What did he think was going to happen? Negative ads have been around for quite a while and the "swift boating" of Kerry was much worse than anything Romney has been subjected to. He was the king of negativity during the primaries when he was flinging crap at his fellow Republicans. GET USED TO IT WEENIE BOY - YOU AND YOUR LITTLE SIDE KICK!
Joe Biden....wow
There may well have been a riot if that had come out of Paul Ryan's mouth.
Obama is only running for a second term because George Soros feels he hasn't been compensated enough yet for his "financial services" to Barry, wink...wink....!
What a complete joke the obama administration has become! Unfortunately the joke's on America!
Hey, Mr Sleepy Joe Biden, we know who really deserves to be put in chains!
Conservatism itself isn't a 'con'. The Republicans' twisted version of it on the other hand...Of course, I don't consider Republicans true conservatives. They want to spend just as much as any other party. They just want to spend it on America's wealthy and war machine.
Hilarious that the right wingers on this blog are now crying in their beer about "hate" coming forth from the Obama camp. So odd that none of them take offense when the President of the United States is accused of:
Funny that no one seems to see the hate when he is depicted as a:
So now they get their panties in a bunch because of an off the cuff remark to a group of people (60% of whom were white if the local demographics played out) about being put back in chains??? The hypocrisy of the right never ceases to amaze...
miked-332794
Obama is only running for a second term because George Soros feels he hasn't been compensated enough yet for his "financial services" to Barry, wink...wink....!
What a complete joke the obama administration has become! Unfortunately the joke's on America!
Hey, Mr Sleepy Joe Biden, we know who really deserves to be put in chains!
Yo mic
President Obama is up by 3 in Ohio without the gazillion laundered dollars from Adelson, divisive, coded, racist ads ad nauseum by unknown Super pacs and the filthy Koch bros a la Karl Rove.
Poll: Obama Up 3 In Ohio, Leads By 10 Points Among Independents
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/poll-obama-romney-ohio-ppp.php
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Speaking of jokes; Romney did a bang up job over there in EuropeHe was laughable; no he was insulting. Nobody cares about Eddie Munster's (Ryan) blue eyes and widow's peak on Time magazine either. We liberals only care about the widows Eddie Munster is trying to take away their benefits.
Lay off the caffeine.
You deserve to locked in a padded room in chains, heavily medicated until you come back to reality.
4more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
There may well have been a riot if that had come out of Paul Ryan's mouth.
It would have been bigger news had anybody but Biden said it. I guess everyone is so numb to his gaffes that they figure they're just par for the course.
SI
poor little wingers, the left is fighting back and they are shocked, I'm telling your, just shocked! Better get used to it wingers, we have a long memory and we are not going away.
...the middle class would be the new poor.
According to the left's ever expanding definition, the middle class is the new poor. Where have you been, Deadbeat?
Democratic posters, if we are going to cut through the Romney/Ryan lies, we need to get fact check info out to the public.
Where possible please include fact checks in your posts, if you are not already doing so.
Remember, Romney is only telling the truth 29% of the time according to politifact.com.
TexasT-2966501
No, there wouldn't. The media would praised Ryan enthusiastically for how "tough" he was being. Republicans routinely accuse the president of wanting to make Americans "slaves" to socialism.
Another Deadbeat Texan
Just think....
If McCain and Palin won in 2008, the US would be at war with Iran, Pakistan, Syria and N. Korea...we would still be in Iraq. Church attendance would be mandated, the middle class would be the new poor. And college would be for the 1%.
Amen, Another Deadbeat Texan
There isn't anything on the globe more hypocritical and bellicose than a Bible thumping Christian on a crusade.
4 more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Geesze Deadbeat Texan, got anger issues?
".... the US would be at war with Iran, Pakistan, Syria, N. Korea,.... still in iraq...."
Haven't you noticed that we still are IN Iraq, we are still at war with Afghanistan, we've had a war/non-war/conflict/support military action in Libya, our special forces are in no less than 6 other African nations, we are having drone strikes worldwide, got a "kill list", etc.? I wouldn't poke that "non-violence stick" if I were you.
"...middle class would be the new poor..."
Looked out the window lately? The middle class IS the new working poor! Almost 50% of Americans are receiving federal assistance (up 100% in the last 3 years)- who's doing that?? The middle class. The cost of everything is going up- energy, food, housing, medical insurance, etc. Who's paying more for that- the middle class. 46% of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes anymore, so who is carrying more of the burdon- the middle class. If you are writing someone off from paying them, someone else is going to have to pay them. Not to mention jobs- With the current job market, the retirement of the Baby Boomers, and the belt tightening of businesses it directly effects- the middle class. Any of your friends "under employed"? Lost a job and has two now to make ends meet? Had to take a pay cut to stay employed? The middle class got hit again. Back to the "boomers"- they are rolling quickly onto the social security, etc. recipient list, so the burdon of paying their benefits falls on..... the middle class.
Yeah you were right, things are much better because we didn't elect McCain. (Note- I did think he was an awful candidate, but the current reality sucks too).
Obama-nomics is a good guess.
DT - Gee..I wonder why soo many people are poor...
It could be because an estimated 20-30 $Trillion has been hidden like Romney does - in offshore, secret bank accounts. Money isn't lost or found, it changes hands. Rob-me and the Republican money machine wants to take it from the poor and put it in their own pockets. Look at their biggest contributor - he runs a casino. This whole R-money thing is a gamble starting with the guy in the backroom funneling money to all these Super PACs.
I don't gamble with America's future. Obama/Biden 2012
Eric-913730
Remember, Romney is only telling the truth 29% of the time according to politifact.com.
Mitt Romney's Pants Are On fire Too. MYTH says Barack Obama is “ending Medicare as we know it.”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-ending-medicare-we-k/
Mitt Romney ad charges Obama said, 'If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose'
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-obama-said-if-we-keep-talking-abo/
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Myth 's magical underwear are getting mighty hot.
4 more years for 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Yeah, because Obama was able to just conjure laws out of thin air and ignore the Republican House that does nothing. You haven't even the slightest grasp on how government works. Or if you would prefer, we could analyze the 'trickle-down' economics experiment we've been having the last thirty years and the massive shrink of the middle class that has occurred during that time frame?
miked-332794
you mean like dick's Haliburton? And how is Soros being compensated? Care to show some proof?
Poor republicans. You dont like it when the dems play rough?
Another Deadbeat Texan
or as Mitt described it: college would be for those who can afford it - which excludes most.
Chris Michal, Obama is the 'Manchurian Candidate', how much do we really know about the guy... no clear evidence of his birthplace... even he and mooshell have said many times (pre-2008 campaign) that his birthplace is Kenya! Were they lying then or lying now.
Which birth certificate is correct, how could Barry have a SS# of a dead guy in Conneticut?
Which religion does Barry really belong too... Christianity or Islam? He knows more about the Islam faith than most Muslims, lol!
He apologizes for America's faults to Islamic Countries like we have something to be sorry for!
We truly know more about Romney and Ryan that we do about Barack Hussein Obama! That is the mystery here!
BO must go.... our future depends on it!
first Biden is from Felaware and would tend to have a slight southern accent... but Ryan speaks thru his nose and that's ok..
second.. one of the things RR are against is womens health and birth controland INVITRO... ang guess what.. a few of ROMNEYS grandchildren are only in this world because of INVITRO and a sperm bank.. do you think that's a difficult point between the two
one has to wonder just how many republicans in the house and senate are against paying for women's health , yet they think it's alright for them to use ED drugs.. and most of them , claiming to be christians have not read the bible
now Romney wants the public education system to fail as he wants charter schools...WHY?? only because one of his sons has a corp.. that aids in establishing CHARTER SCHOOLS that would become a great contract. and there would't be anyone else trying to get the contract.. you know just like
cheneye and haliburton.. but that's ok RIGHT
I am a white southern woman,ergo, I must be a racist. My husband is Irish Catholic, so he must be a pedophile. Isn't that how we judge each other now?
Not only does Romney cheat on his taxes hiding money offshore so as not to pay his taxes, Now Ryan and Romney want to eliminate capital gains taxes on themselves. Then they both have the nerve to create budget plans where they give themselves even more tax breaks for themselves and the rich. Who do they plan to have pay for their tax breaks they should be paying?? YOU< THE MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR. The seniors, the students, starving children and families, veterans, YES CUTS TO VET SERVICES. THE GREEDY ROMNEY AND RYAN. PLAN TO TAKE AWAY SOCIAL SECURITY,MEDICARE, MEDICAID, AND THE POST OFFICE!
Stop the war on women, stop the war on middle class and poor. Stop Ryan and Romney from crashing the economy again.
Vote President Obama/Bide 2012 and Team America Democrats.
What do you expect from the silver spoon in the mouth set? Living the sheltered that Mitt did would you expect any different?
Bill, Fairfax VA
"They're going to put y'all back in chains."
it's entirely OK to scratch an old racial wound by associating Republicans with slavery just to score some cheap political points.
To any objective observer, Biden's comments were clearly beneath contempt.
Yo Bill,
Do you know what is contemptible? I'll tell you. It's the racist bullsh!t coming from your t-bagging friends and republican leaders.
Republican official carries Obama's head on a spike, Secret Service pays a visit
Republican Councilman Paul Smith, of Sterling Heights, Michigan, has found himself at the center of controversy after video of him holding a sign that depicted President Obama's head on a spike surfaced after being recorded at a Tea Party rally more than three years ago in April 2009. He also had other signs that included Nancy Pelosi with bullet holes in her head, and a noose around the neck of former Michigan Governor, Jennifer Granholm.
The sign that depicted a decapitated President Obama with blood dripping from his neck contained the statements, "@!$%# on a stick", and "One more day is too many!" and "He changed American into Uganda." which was scrawled out in large letters
The sign that depicted a decapitated President Obama with blood dripping from his neck contained the statements, "@!$%# on a stick", and "One more day is too many!" and "He changed American into Uganda."
http://www.examiner.com/article/republican-official-carries-obama-s-head-on-a-spike-secret-service-pays-a-visit
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Look at that picture Bill.
There is not racism depicted -party there from the T-Potty. Right ??? You people just say and do racist things!!!
When the sh!t comes back at you (supposedly) you whine about being the victims of racism. Pleazzze take yourself and the rest of your whinny, whinny, t-bagger friends to a therapist.
Obama/Biden 2012
Why am I continually getting knock out of here and having to re-enter my (e-mail,password) every time? Frustrating.
you can add Eric (with)Holder to the list of Obama Administration lackey's who should be in chains!!!!
Are you going to call out Sheldon Adelson as well?
free market - you show the lowlife mentality of the far right. Nothing more needs to be said. Clearly you lack intelligence in any form.
Obama/Biden 2012
Free Market fan:
He DOESN'T! Stop spreading misinformation.
Google it on snopes.
Why don't you try reading or listening to the phrase in context? Biden said the Republicans are going to take the chains off the banks and put them on you, the people.
The only people making the jump to racial stereotyping, slavery, insensitivity are conservatives.
Beverly, regarding cafine, Mormons don't drink coffee. That by itself scares me so I'll vote dem. Actually, since that is such a clear cut issue that I can depend on I think my decision is more rational than anything else I have seen here.
To Bev. And to all. Bev I have to disagree with you. The So called bible thumbing Christians, are no Christians at all. They never were. No more than Rep's are Conservative. These people just use Christianity and Conservationism to hide there true agenda. This Southerners think they are still fighting the Civil War. They are so full of Hate. The KKK is the Taliban of the USA. And the KKK is the leaders of the Southern Babiest Conservative Movement. They have the feeling that if your not with us, your against us. They make the Taliban look like child's play. We have seen what they want. We have seen them take over the Tea Party. They have grown and gotten very strong, they know how to get people elected by pouring money into races all over the country. The SB want to rule the whole Country. I live in Michigan, and I have this in action. There is a Babiest Church that totally Runs the Town of Gaylord MI. Nothing comes into that town with out the Churches OK. NOTHING. And if you don't belong to that Church, do even thing you can do business in Gaylord. They have a Death Grip. What ever happened to separation of Church and STATE? I want to say this very clearly. We are still at war with the South. They have been laying in wait, and picking away little by little, And are getting ready to Strike. All these years of Southern Presidents from the South has killed this Country. The North had better wake up to that Fact. The South has been building up the military complex. Most of our military bases are in the South. NORTH We had better get our heads out of the Sand.
You gotta be kidding right? George Soros funds 'Snopes', and the couple who started it have been overnight guests of the obama's!
Only those folks who look for the liberal slant use snopes these days!
I know you are, but what am I
From the article above:
And cue the internet slap fight in three, two, one.......
And who is to gain from Americans volleying insults back at one another?
Who profits from purposely pitting Americans against Americans?
Who is REALLY responsible for dividing Americans?
You guessed it. Corporate Media.
The more insults, the more money they get. Just keep that PAC money going to the Media Giants America. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
Salud.
California Tom, NBC is using "session cookies". You can no longer stay logged on after closing your browser-even if you have "preserve website data" selected. You maybe logged in on Newsvine but a redirect through the tracker will not automatically have you logged in on any NBC articles. If you are always logged on to Newsvine or NBC you will have to log out and log back on when you first open your browser for the day or everytime you close and reopen your browser.
From my understanding it is NBC's way of preventing 3rd party website attacks.
Texas T, Seattle Indie and anyone else so upset-
Boehner has used the term "shackled" numerous times.
Ryan has used the term "shackled" numerous times.
Cantor has used the term "shackled" numerous times.
Romney has used the term "shackled" numerous times.
shack·led, shack·ling, shack·les
1. To confine with shackles; fetter.
2. To fasten or connect with a shackle.
3. To restrict, confine, or hamper.
chained
restraining circumstances: feelings or circumstances that restrain or confine somebody ( literary )
1.
fasten something or somebody with chain: to fasten, tie, or restrain something or somebody with a chain or chains
2.
restrict somebody's mobility: to restrict or confine somebody's freedom of movement or action
Anybody see a big difference in these two terms?
Question for Veep Ryan,
You belong to a Congress that has a 10% approval rating. What have you done to try to improve that number and what type of OBSTRUCTION did you encounter?
This is BULL SH!T
Now you remember the name calling. What about the Repuks calling President Obama, Not American, Tar Baby, Monkey, Keyna thinking, Food Stamp President, Where is his birth certificate I can go on and on and on.
Now all of a sudden Flip Out and Over Robbeme wants to claim President Obama is using hatred in the campign. What a freak-in JOKE the Rebups HATE MACHINE is calling the kettle black.
When the tea bag red neck machine has as much hatred for President Obama with out looking deeply in his record is full of Racial Hatred The United States has seen before. It's called Slavery.
This is what they're saying: "How dare that black-man be President", "How dare he occupy the White house". = Pure racial hatred and all African Americans know it, So do the Hispanics.
This is coming from a mormon who would not allow an African American in his church until 1978. WOW!
And Paul Ryan has pure hatred of any middle class or poor person, pure hatred.
They have the nerve to try and change the subject from "Where the F-IN are your taxes Flip Flopping Robbeme hood.
VW
I think the difference here is that Biden was speaking with a predominantly African-Amercan audience. Had anybody from the right made the comment to that same group, they would currently be dealing with charges of racism from you lefties.
Texas_T - In response to to your comment another 4 more years of this President and this country and its lack of security for the USA WILL BE DOOMED.
A Russian Nuclear-Powered Submarine said to have long range missile capabilities was strolling the waters in the Gulf of Mexico recently. The Russian Sub. went undetected for weeks.
Washington Free Beacon has learned.This is only the second time this has happened since 2009 when the same type of Russian Submarine was trolling the waters off the east coast of the United States.
Earlier this year(June & July) Russia was spotted doing fly by's off the coast of Alaska and California.
The underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made entrance into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July.
This highlights a growing military assertiveness by Russia.
The Navy is in charge of monitoring submarines, especially those that enter waters near U.S. nuclear missile submarines, and uses undersea sensors and satellites to locate and track them.
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The nuclear-powered Akula-class attack submarine, one of Russia’s quietest submarines.
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What is the purpose for these incursions? What reasoning does our POTUS have for allowing the Russians to fly or stroll the waters so closely to the US.
“Sending a nuclear-powered ballistic attack submarine into the Gulf of Mexico region is another way of President Putin demonstrating that Russia is still a player on the world’s political-military stage,” said naval analyst and submarine warfare specialist Norman Polmar.
These underseas patrols raised concerns at a time a new Russian military assertiveness toward the United States is taking place, according to the New York Times, which first reported the 2009 Akula submarine activity.
The newest underseas incursion in the Gulf of Mexico also plates the failure of the Obama administration’s “reset” policy of conciliatory actions designed to develop closer ties with Moscow. Oh, we have closer ties with Russia, and the ties are around our hands.
Russia under President Vladimir Putin, an EX-KGB intelligence officer who has said he wants to bring back Russia’s Soviet communist past, has adopted growing hardline policies against the United States.
If this is true, a lot of people blew it. Back in the cold war days, we knew when every ship/sub left port, where is was headed and every effort was made to keep track of that ship/sub. If we lost track of that ship/sub location, every asset was out hunting for it and it was found.
According to a blog down thread Clinton turned " off " the IUSS, this isn't true. The rating " Ocean Systems Technician", my old rating BTW 78-82, was merged with the " sonar technician" rating in 2005, under Bush Jr. The " Sonar Technician " rating is either STG or STS, ship or submarine.
Passive hydrophone array detection, or IUSS, was transiting away from its traditional shore based facilities when I was active duty. Technology made the necessity for large permanent fixed displays obsolete and created methods of transferring this data anywhere in the world in a secure manner with minuscule time delays.
If you watch the History channel, or even a USN commercial they show this technology in use.
Three or four sailors monitoring " waterfall" displays. These displays are the data collected from passive sonar, the presentation of the data is identical to the old fashioned paper displays I was trained and proficient in reading. These " waterfalls" are now linked with the " audible sound collection " " Sonar & IUSS"...
"undetected" or invited without public knowledge by Obama?
Russia is patrolling off our coasts, and Obama is cutting almost a trillion dollars for the Department of Defense. Is he trying to get us taken over by our enemies? He hates America and wants Americans brought to their knees for our so called "arrogance". Why are the voters of America even considering reelecting this Socialist? Has the MSM finally been able to brainwash the population of this country? The alphabet media are Obama's cheerleaders and protecters and are determined to make sure that he stays in office. I wonder what they will think when he takes over America by Presidental Proclamation?
Obama is a military and political weakling. Especially internationally. His Secretary of State is the laughing stock of the world. If you walk around openly showing that, you can be guaranteed someone will throw a punch at you eventually.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/russian-attack-sub-undetected-in-gulf-of...
Seeking Sanity, as a member of the excuse party are you serious rightwingers taking the low road, do you guys even have another road? BTW I noticed you still can't seem to get away from the name calling, some people just mature late in life, hang in there
My hope is voters get turned off by mud slinging and force the candidates to start talking about their proposed solutions to our nations problems. At this point, it seems to me the Obama camp is sticking to mud slinging, but the Romney camp is starting to switch to more real-issue based discussions. I'm hoping they both focus on issues going forward...
Starsailing, my buddy , you always brighten up my day with your comedy routine ,just wanted to say thanks
Those of us who are following the presidential race are now being treated to an array of insulting, demeaning and down right hyperbolic lies and nastiness by the democratic presidential running team. They do NOT have a platform of accomplishments to run on.......so with all vehement anger they can muster (like rabid dogs) they simply attack with innuendo and out right lies - which they then say were taken out of context or were simply misunderstood - come on boys we heard what you said so quit trying slither you way out of it - the Americans are not stupid or ignorant to you tricks and we've had enough of them and you!.
All your attack dogs here on Newsvine literally jump (I should say swarm) all over anyone who might express an opposing point of view. Leads me to believe the liberal dems are feeling the heat from the voting publics disgust of your tactics and you all are now becoming desperate - I really think we will see an increasing amount of vicious vitriol coming from the left as we get closer and closer to Nov.
Even with all your party's vicious bating I don't not believe you will get Romney or Ryan to climb down into the sewer with you and trade the kinds of attacks you are well known for - like: Romney killed my wife, Ryan throwing some lady off of her wheelchair and over a cliff - simply pathetic. Has ANYONE seen ANYTHING like that come out of the Republican party?? Again, how outrageously pathetic of you.
I find it interesting the Media didn't rake Biden over the coals yesterday over his comment. If either Romney or Ryan said that they would have had a field day. Guess the liberal bias is still alive and well!
Starsailing,
Romney putting money into off shore accounts may not be patriotic, but it is legal. I am sure that if you had the means you would also be harboring funds off shore to minimize your tax burden. I am sure you take advantage of every legal deduction you can get to minimize the taxes you pay.
Getting rid of Capital gains taxes would actually be a good thing because then the money would be taxed as regular income which currently is at a higher rate for all but the lower and lower middle class! In Romney's case it would mean going from 15% to 35% tax rates so where is the problem? I mean isn't a 20% increase on the wealthy large enough for you? Of course I am talking in generalizations here, but only to prove a point! When you only tell half a story you can spin it to make it sound any way you like!
Where is this war on Women liberals rant about? I hardly think that making someone pay for their own birth control constitutes a war. Unless of course the government is mandating that they have sex regularly or won't allow them to purchase birth control or purchase it at a highly inflated price from the government! What is wrong with making someone pay for an elective abortion? After all it is the woman's right to choose is it not? It is called restoring responsibility. If the fetus in question is the product of rape (including incest) that is one thing, but if it is from just plain irresponsibility on the woman's part why should everyone pay for her behavior? There is no war on women's rights only a war on irresponsible behavior at everyone's expense.
War on seniors? Reports have shown that social security and medicare cannot continue to function in their current fashion. They are both headed toward bankruptcy and changes need to be made to keep them solvent so that there is some sort of safety net left for the elderly not only of today but tomorrow as well. Maybe the outlined changes are not popular because they mean sacrifice to some, but changes are needed and will be made or the programs will not last. The largest problem our government has faced in the last 40 years is the reluctance by politicians to touch these social programs unless it is to add a new benefit to them which equates to a greater burden on their funding. Everyone wants something handed to them but no one really wants to pay any more than they absolutely have to in order to get it. some don't want to pay anything at all and expect things to be given to them. I am sorry to say that it is not how life works. Everything has a cost and that cost will have to be paid, end of story.
the truth will set you free. Thanks archangel
This is pretty long but I would put money on the fact that MOST of you dont know this. The next time you are told that the consevatives are all about HATE, give some of this.
History Of The Democrats And The KKK.....(Why the Democrats started the KKK)
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:59:36 PM by IrishMike
The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black a...
nd white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.
An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.
The documentation has been assembled by David Barton of Wallbu More..ilders and published in his book "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White," which reveals that not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.
"Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective," Barton said in his book. "Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings."
Further, the first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves and, to this day, the party website ignores those decades of racism, he said.
"Although it is relatively unreported today, historical documents are unequivocal that the Klan was established by Democrats and that the Klan played a prominent role in the Democratic Party," Barton writes in his book. "In fact, a 13-volume set of congressional investigations from 1872 conclusively and irrefutably documents that fact.
"The Klan terrorized black Americans through murders and public floggings; relief was granted only if individuals promised not to vote for Republican tickets, and violation of this oath was punishable by death," he said. "Since the Klan targeted Republicans in general, it did not limit its violence simply to black Republicans; white Republicans were also included."
Barton also has covered the subject in one episode of his American Heritage Series of television programs, which is being broadcast now on Trinity Broadcasting Network and Cornerstone Television.
Barton told WND his comments are not a condemnation or endorsement of any party or candidate, but rather a warning that voters even today should be aware of what their parties and candidates stand for.
His book outlines the aggressive pro-slavery agenda held by the Democratic Party for generations leading up to the Civil War, and how that did not die with the Union victory in that war of rebellion.
Even as the South was being rebuilt, the votes in Congress consistently revealed a continuing pro-slavery philosophy on the part of the Democrats, the book reveals.
Three years after Appomattox, the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, granting blacks citizenship in the United States, came before Congress: 94 percent of Republicans endorsed it.
"The records of Congress reveal that not one Democrat � either in the House or the Senate � voted for the 14th Amendment," Barton wrote. "Three years after the Civil War, and the Democrats from the North as well as the South were still refusing to recognize any rights of citizenship for black Americans."
He also noted that South Carolina Gov. Wade Hampton at the 1868 Democratic National Convention inserted a clause in the party platform declaring the Congress' civil rights laws were "unconstitutional, revolutionary, and void."
It was the same convention when Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, the first grand wizard of the KKK, was honored for his leadership.
Barton's book notes that in 1868, Congress heard testimony from election worker Robert Flournoy, who confessed while he was canvassing the state of Mississippi in support of the 13th and 14th Amendments, he could find only one black, in a population of 444,000 in the state, who admitted being a Democrat.
Nor is Barton the only person to raise such questions. In 2005, National Review published an article raising similar points. The publication said in 1957 President Dwight Eisenhower, a Republican, deployed the 82nd Airborne Division to desegregate the Little Rock, Ark., schools over the resistance of Democrat Gov. Orval Faubus.
Further, three years later, Eisenhower signed the GOP's 1960 Civil Rights Act after it survived a five-day, five-hour filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats, and in 1964, Democrat President Lyndon Johnson signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act after former Klansman Robert Byrd's 14-hour filibuster, and the votes of 22 other Senate Democrats, including Tennessee's Al Gore Sr., failed to scuttle the plan.
Dems' website showing jump in history
The current version of the "History" page on the party website lists a number of accomplishments � from 1792, 1798, 1800, 1808, 1812, 1816, 1824 and 1828, including its 1832 nomination of Andrew Jackson for president. It follows up with a name change, and the establishment of the Democratic National Committee, but then leaps over the Civil War and all of its issues to talk about the end of the 19th Century, William Jennings Bryan and women's suffrage.
A spokesman with the Democrats refused to comment for WND on any of the issues. "You're not going to get a comment," said the spokesman who identified himself as Luis.
"Why would Democrats skip over their own history from 1848 to 1900?" Barton asked. "Perhaps because it's not the kind of civil rights history they want to talk about � perhaps because it is not the kind of civil rights history they want to have on their website."
The National Review article by Deroy Murdock cited the 1866 comment from Indiana Republican Gov. Oliver Morton condemning Democrats for their racism.
"Every one who shoots down Negroes in the streets, burns Negro schoolhouses and meeting-houses, and murders women and children by the light of their own flaming dwellings, calls himself a Democrat," Morton said.
It also cited the 1856 criticism by U.S. Sen. Charles Sumner, R-Mass., of pro-slavery Democrats. "Congressman Preston Brooks (D-S.C.) responded by grabbing a stick and beating Sumner unconscious in the Senate chamber. Disabled, Sumner could not resume his duties for three years."
By the admission of the Democrats themselves, on their website, it wasn't until Harry Truman was elected that "Democrats began the fight to bring down the final barriers of race and gender."
"That is an accurate description," wrote Barton. "Starting with Harry Truman, Democrats began � that is, they made their first serious efforts � to fight against the barriers of race; yet � Truman's efforts were largely unsuccessful because of his own Democratic Party."
Even then, the opposition to rights for blacks was far from over. As recently as 1960, Mississippi Democratic Gov. Hugh White had requested Christian evangelist Billy Graham segregate his crusades, something Graham refused to do. "And when South Carolina Democratic Gov. George Timmerman learned Billy Graham had invited African Americans to a Reformation Rally at the state Capitol, he promptly denied use of the facilities to the evangelist," Barton wrote.
The National Review noted that the Democrats' "Klan-coddling" today is embodied in Byrd, who once wrote that, "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia."
The article suggested a contrast with the GOP, which, when former Klansman David Duke ran for Louisiana governor in 1991 as a Republican, was "scorned" by national GOP officials.
Until 1935, every black federal legislator was Republican, and it was Republicans who appointed the first black Air Force and Army four-star generals, established Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday as a national holiday, and named the first black national-security adviser, secretary of state, the research reveals.
Current Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice has said: "The first Republican I knew was my father, and he is still the Republican I most admire. He joined our party because the Democrats in Jim Crow Alabama of 1952 would not register him to vote. The Republicans did. My father has never forgotten that day, and neither have I."
Barton's documentation said the first opponents of slavery "and the chief advocates for racial equal rights were the churches (the Quakers, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc.). Furthermore, religious leaders such as Quaker Anthony Benezet were the leading spokesmen against slavery, and evangelical leaders such as Presbyterian signer of the Declaration Benjamin Rush were the founders of the nation's first abolition societies."
During the years surrounding the Civil War, "the most obvious difference between the Republican and Democrat parties was their stands on slavery," Barton said. Republicans called for its abolition, while Democrats declared: "All efforts of the abolitionists, or others, made to induce Congress to interfere with questions of slavery, or to take incipient [to initiate] steps in relation thereto, are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences, and all such efforts have the inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people."
Wallbuilders also cited John Alden's 1885 book, "A Brief History of the Republican Party" in noting that the KKK's early attacks were on Republicans as much as blacks, in that blacks were adopting the Republican identity en masse.
"In some places the Ku Klux Klan assaulted Republican officials in their houses or offices or upon the public roads; in others they attacked the meetings of negroes and displaced them," Alden wrote. "Its ostensible purpose at first was to keep the blacks in order and prevent them from committing small depredations upon the property of whites, but its real motives were essentially political � The negroes were invariable required to promise not to vote the Republican ticket, and threatened with death if they broke their promises."
Barton told WND the most cohesive group of political supporters in American now is African-Americans. He said most consider their affiliation with the Democratic party longterm.
But he said he interviewed a black pastor in Mississippi, who recalled his grandmother never "would let a Democrat in the house, and he never knew what she was talking about." After a review of history, he knew, Barton said.
Citing President George Washington's farewell address, Barton told WND, "Washington had a great section on the love of party, if you love party more than anything else, what it will do to a great nation."
"We shouldn't love a party [over] a candidate's principles or values," he told WND.
Washington's farewell address noted the "danger" from parties is serious.
"Let me now � warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally. � The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism," Washington said.
Mr. Obama and his cohorts in crime have further disgraced the office of the President of the United States.
Mr. Obama has now sealed his ranking amongst the WORST Presidents of the United States and his ranking is well below that of Mr. Jimmy Carter.
It is time to MOVE ON (LOL) and remove Mr. Obama and his minions from the White House, the Cabinet posts, and especially his Czars and special interest friends who continually enter the White House back door.
Romney-Ryan 2012 to TAKE BACK AMERICA from the radicals.
Im so sick and tired of these elitist ruining everything that was once good. STOP IT, STOP YOUR CRAP, OBAMA WE ALL KNOW ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS WINNING, NO MATTER WHAT, FOR BAD OR GOOD ALL YOU EVER CARED ABOUT WAS YOUR OWN CAMPAIGN.
The president, the runners up, they are a disgrace to this world. They truly are the pit of evil in America
Vote NO...just no...No more bull@!$%#
Little story here. Media should focus more on such events. My Wife just returned with our lunch She picked up at a local restaurant. Good food, good prices, and frequented by many seniors. When She went in, there was a meeting of very angry seniors going on. Once She realized what they were yelling about She called me, and allowed me to listen. One was yelling about "that little beady eyed sh^t from Wisconsin is gonna take away our Medicare and give us Vouchers"! Another one, a Lady this time. "Somebody needs to kill that damn Romney". "They ain't no part of Jesus in a Mormon nohow"! Another chimed in. "We ain't got no choice". We gonna have to vote for that N****r". "Voucher"? "Gonna buy inshorance with a voucher"? "Us"? My wife cut me off then. She just told me She counted 'em. There were 51 of 'em. All mad as hell and expressing it well. The location is about 52 miles NE of Atlanta. My wife said they appeared to be all of a mind, and were obviously all mad as hell. The 2 r's are in deep sh^t. Folks have more sense on some things than republlicans believe.
ido special interest friends
Lets see sheldon adelson, the koch brothers, grover norguist, and donald trump. The list go's on. Is that enough special interest friends for you. You know they will want their payback and Rmoney will be doing the puppet dance if elected.
Thank you, you just proved my point that the leftist/liberal Democrats are a very angry and violent group of people. My friends, I have never, ever hear any right wing/conservative Republican say somebody needs to kill that obama! What have we become, calling for some one to be killed? What country is this? I hope the leftist/liberal Democrats never get in power because if they do you can bet that if you EVER speak your opposing opinion or speak out against them them will hunt you down and do something very terrible to you - much like the Nazi's did to the Jews during WWII, because their point of view is THE ONLY point of view they will ever tolerate!
THIS IS NOT THE AMERICA I GREW UP IN!
Smitty-4183671
How about, Ayers, Rev. Wright, Soros and Obama senior, the list goes on......how's that for you.
Yes, I see Ann Romney will be on Rock Center Thursday night telling us why Mittens shouldn't submit more than one year of taxes (2011) and an estimate of their 2012 tax returns (whatever an estimate will show us).
Ms. Romney stated that Democrats will have ammunition to use against Mittens if any more tax returns are submitted to the American public (again, what that ammunition is, no one should know). I'm sure the Ryan/Romney ticket confirmed there wouldn't be any "ammunition" in Ryan's tax returns, but who knows how many years Ryan gave the campaign (i.e., several, or a couple, of a bunch....who knows what those terms mean).
Ms. Romney goes on to say that she and Mittens have had a blind trust since 2002 and that she "would like to know what's in the Trust too".
The mystery goes on, and on, and on, and it needs to be solved.
Mac, may I suggest you do a little research on the Ryan Medicare plan, it doesn't change anything for people over 55
Izzyserious#2.61: I'll just be damned! If you are representative of the cognizance of typical republicanism it's no wonder that bunch are so ass backward, and, when in power, always put us all so far up that proverbial creek.
I couldn't have wrote it that badly. Surely not?
izzyserious Now about Ayers, Rev Wright, Soros And Obama senior.
Not counting Soros, one has past away and I don't see the other two giving million's of dollars in donations. Rmoney maybe, the first President that money could buy. The richest people in this country are buying this election.
wlee What about the people under 55? I guess it under the bus for them.
So they want to "make their decisions" in CONGRESS "AFTER THE ELECTION, NOT BEFORE, "in the light of day" where "Americans " (billionaires) can DECIDE "what tax's TO CUT, and what education systems TO CUT, and what regulations to the financial, energy, and every other program TO CUT. All this for US to decide, DO YOU THINK I AM THAT STUPID? These SAME idiots have destroyed our political system in only 2 years. I didn't give a nickel to teabag republicraps and Sheldon Adelson, the Koch brothers, and Carl Rove GAVE MILLIONS, and continue to finance this treachery to the tune of over A BILLION DOLLARS. Do you really think these shysters will do anything for the public good after being bankrolled by 26 billionaires? And yet the pollsters claim "it is neck and neck, WELL POLLSTERS I do not believe there that many stupid people ignorant of the daily lies said by the corporate lackeys you chose to sign your country take over legislation. These people WILL NOT DELIVER WHAT YOU WANT, and that is the truth!!!!!!!!
wlee,
A little research results info-
"The policies in the House GOP budget, basically the Ryan Plan, if enacted would begin affecting millions of seniors almost immediately by increasing their costs for prescription drugs and probably long-term care. Further, Medicare costs could rise over time if healthier seniors choose to abandon the traditional benefit program.
The Ryan proposal would also repeal last year’s health care law, which means reopening a coverage gap in Medicare’s prescription-drug benefit that the statute closed. The gap, commonly called the “doughnut hole,” requires seniors to pay 100 percent of any prescription costs after the annual total reaches $2,840 and until it hits $4,550.
If Congress were to pass Ryan’s plan and repeal the law, as House Republicans want, the 3 million to 4 million seniors left in the doughnut hole each year would immediately face significant out-of-pocket costs. They and all other Medicare beneficiaries would also lose access to a host of preventive-care benefits in the health care law, including free wellness visits to physicians, mammograms, colonoscopies, and programs to help smokers quit, all of which add to senior healthcare costs.
The Ryan/Romney/Republican budget would cut spending on Medicaid—health care for the poor—much of which goes to long-term care for the elderly. Some 9 million seniors qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid benefits, and about two-thirds of all nursing-home residents are covered by Medicaid. The GOP budget proposes cutting some $744 billion from Medicaid over 10 years" (National Journal)
@wlee-950886#2.64: I have read enough of that paper to know you are correct. At least right now, but if It ever goes to legislation, then law, It's anyone's guess whom It will affect, and to what degree. Even if left intact It's bad policy. Instead of arguing with me you would do well to explain your argument to seniors who are up in arms about this proposed policy. Don't think those from age 50 to nearing 55 are turning cartwheels over this proposal either. The ACA overlaps with Medicare, and actually adds benefits with no increased costs. Makes much more sense than the RR proposal. Please don't tell me to read the ACA. One of my Daughters Brothers in-law owns a good sized insurance agency near here. He obtained a copy not long after final passage. I read most of It then, and He discusses It with me often. He's a Republican, but He loves the hell outta the ACA. Says everyone will be better off under It, and, he will make lots of money when It is finally implemented. I think He is right.
Smitty-4183671
Well in 2008 Obama ran against a half-hearted McCain who was not backed well by many power brokers or money people. Obama out funded him then and in most peoples opinion "bought" that election. Now he's up against another man who has all kinds of backers who are contributing through the super packs - just as he has. Obama is being out-funded this time and may loose this race because of that and the fact that he doesn't have any serious records of accomplishments for his current term to speak about - so NOW the left is crying that Romney is buying this election....it hurts when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it!
@izzyserious: Don't let your hopes and imagination overcome reality. Romney has about as much chance of beating the President as you do of winning the lottery. Ain't gonna happen.
izzyserious In 2008 the better part of the Presidents backers were small donations from American voters, not donations like 100 million just from one man. The American people "bought" that election, not 17 rich men with millions of dollars.
Forget about reference to Santorum's chains comment, imagine if Biden went around saying his idol was a Russian atheist? Holy friggin' cow, what would FOX and Friends have to say about that?!!! Or Rush Limbaugh, imagine the bile he would spew.
vwterry -- Great post. The Dems created and have always protected trust funds like Social Security and Medicare. Why would anyone believe the Dems are trying to gut any of these programs, or even more outrageous, why would anyone believe Republicans have suddenly become the new champion for entitlements?
The Dems and president extended Medicare by at least eight (8) years with savings from cutting subsidies to providers (e.g., Big Pharma), and then rolled that savings back into Medicare to close the donut hole. Ryan keeps those cuts to providers in his plan, but lets the donut hole reopen because he uses cuts to Medicare to pay for more tax cuts for the rich.
The people who are stealing from Medicare are the Teapublicans, of course!
Nope you didn't write badly, exactly the opposite in fact. That's why I used you as my model for the violence and intolerance that come from the left - again, that you for your example of that.
AND...I admire the optimism of the left - it may be a long drop for you and I hope your able to cope with when obama loses in Nov. In fact, given the propensity of the left for physical violence, I, in a way hope he doesn't loose because I'd hate to see American liberals take to the streets and commit civil disobedience over their loss - which we know from their history they are capable of doing....just read your first post!
Thanks Oprah, for the guy who was going to be a "different" kind of President. "Bringing people together"
"Change We Can Believe In" LOL
He's a desperate political hack of the highest order. I am embarrassed to even watch this lying creep who is the supposed leader of the free world. He would do ANYTHING to remain in power.
Sir, you are a Racist, I feel bad about your problem ????
@izzyserious#2.74:You bother me. Are you a kid maybe? Are you alone right now? Could you be suffering from some ill side effect of some medication you're taking? I assure you I am very serious. You seem able to type and read well enough. You need any help, type it on your screen. I, and many others will find a way to get you help. If though, you are some cross eyed republican, suffering from the usual republican lack of comprehension, I do apologize for my former stated concerns. I do hope It is the latter, and there is someone able to help you close by. Hope you brighten up soon. Regards
Mac, I am one of those people and I have no problem with his plan. Smitty,do some research those under can also stay on the plan or opt for one of three alternatives. WWterry, funny thing Bowles from Erskine Bowles thinks it's a good plan, Obama praised some of it's points Clinton also praised it. BTW Obama cut 741 Billion from it. You guys need to quit looking at things from the party perspective and concentrate on the country
Smitty-4183671
izzyserious In 2008 the better part of the Presidents backers were small donations from American voters, not donations like 100 million just from one man. The American people "bought" that election, not 17 rich men with millions of dollars.
I'll give you that fact that he did receive a lot of smaller donations, but not to the extend for which he spent. He had millions that were donated thru the special super pacts established for campaigns that were not subject to the donor laws. His immense fund was what took the election away from McCain - even though that wasn't a difficult thing to do for him. His major concern was how the American public would receive his ethnicity. And that's what his BIG backers were funding him for. So I really don't buy the small private citizen donation thing to any great extent. You just don't get hundreds of millions from accumulations of $5 contributions. Good post though!
wlee,
Despite your change of direction, your original statement was that there would be no negative effects for those over 55. What I posted showed you to be either misinformed or not too interested in the truth.
BTW Ryans plan cuts about the same amount. The difference in the two is that the Obama plan cuts back on projected growth and payments to insurance companies and drug companies. Ryans plan cuts 700+ billion from benefits. Pretty big difference. Again, the result of research.
Eskine Bowels also had a suggestion to raise revenue, you know taxes, too. You ready for that? I personally have no problem with that and as a former small business owner, real job creator and tax payer I think it's my concern for the country that puts me on the side of the left. The idea that Obama and Clinton agree with some of the points shows that this administration is willing to work in a bi-partisan manner for the best of the country. It's the right that has been spending the past three years rewriting their ideals and ignoring the things they stood for up until the election of the current president.
All the right has suggested are what they would take away from the people and nothing as to what they will do for the betterment of the people. The party perspective is not necessarily different from the country perspective, it's just that one has the PEOPLE in mind and the other has their friends in mind.
Mac Forrester
@izzyserious#2.74:You bother me. Are you a kid maybe? Are you alone right now? Could you be suffering from some ill side effect of some medication you're taking? I assure you I am very serious. You seem able to type and read well enough. You need any help, type it on your screen. I, and many others will find a way to get you help. If though, you are some cross eyed republican, suffering from the usual republican lack of comprehension, I do apologize for my former stated concerns. I do hope It is the latter, and there is someone able to help you close by. Hope you brighten up soon. Regards
Hahaha, good one Mac.....I'm glad I bother you to that extent. Makes me realize that somewhere within your brain there is a small spark of intelligence.
And again with the leftist demeaning smear attack - just couldn't control yourself could you. Can't have a serious debate without resorting to the "wild, outrageous accusations" your mob is so well known for, you really sound as desperate as any lefty I've read here. But keep it up....you are even more to my original point than you realize > Thanks.
From NBC News- "“The Affordable Care Act – Obamacare – does cut the growth of Medicare by $700 billion over 10 years. But benefits to seniors actually increase under Obamacare, which reduces payments to providers in exchange for more people covered by insurance. What’s more, the Ryan plan – approved by the House – cuts Medicare spending every bit as much as Obamacare does. In fact, it incorporates the very same budget projections, even as it repeals Obamacare. That’s what you call having it both ways.”"
Beverly
Poll today from Purple strategies Romney up 2 in Ohio. Democrat & Republican run this poll - Likely Voters - mix on this poll is undisclosed and I would love to know them
Poll out yesterday Rasmussen TIE - Independent, but republican favorite Likely Voters adn uses about the right mix of
Poll Out Monday - Obama up 3 PPP - Democrat poll but often similar to Rasmussen. Note: Poll used 40% Democrats, 37 republican. Both the Democrat and Republican numbers are a little high. African Americans were oversampled 2 points and other non-white Americans undersampled by 6 points.
The Quinnipiac likely voter poll a week before was a total joke padding democrats by 6 points in addition to the 3 point edge that should have been there. The correct result probably was even.
Then there was the We Ask America poll showing Obama up 8 points is irrelevant other than it may show that if the Democrats can register more voters they can get more votes. Good luck with that!
After looking at the poll criteria's I think the race is about even with Romney possibly gaining ground. Given
-the polls are pretty even once the clearly padded polling are removed,
-Romney holding his cash back for later in the race,
- even the Gallup registered voter tracking poll is reading more red in the last couple of days.
I think Obama is in trouble, not Romney.
TO: JoAnnaSmith1 who wrote:
Because George W. Bush made both of Terrorist Osama Bin Laden's dreams come true (1) a terrorist attack on U.S. soil; and (2) crash and devastate the entire United States Economy.
@izzyserious2.81: Well, I honestly didn't think anyone of functioning normal mental ability could tangle a statement the way you did. Sorry for being concerned about your well being. I suspect the only point you have ever made is the one at the top of your neck. Damnation!
@wlee#2.78: If you really are an eligible recipient I think you would have plenty of problems with Ryan's plan. Bowles also had a problem, unless there was an across the board increase in taxes, which no republican is willing to commit to. Doesn't matter really what you or I think. When a group of 51 seniors get together in Georgia to curse Romney for selecting Ryan, who they think will destroy their Medicare, that candidacy is in deep trouble. If It's going on in Georgia, It's going on all over the country. The republicans have made a fatal mistake.
Mac Forrester
The only damnation there is around here is the one you, obama and the rest of the left are trying to make.....and the conservatives are trying to prevent.
BTW......have you read about the violent liberal who entered a republican center and shot the security guard there in the arm? There's another validating point to my argument that the left are a violent group.
But you have a great night - must be past your bedtime, right old timer?
issy,
I read the story and saw the report on the news and I can not find any mention of the shooters political affiliation. Could it be you're talking from a hole that's not your mouth?
@vwterry#2.88: I have read "izzyserious" once or twice before. I really think He/She does not comprehend words and phrases as one of normal cognition does. Course that wouldn't stop "izzyserious" from spouting tales like a trained Myna bird, which by the way "izzaserious" does. Arguing with such a person yields no more value than cursing the undesired size of a paper poke. I should have known better than to have wasted my time with "izzaserious". I like your posts though. Sensible, well spoken, and to the point. I'll be looking for you. Best regards
Back at ya.
What truetexan conveniently forgets to mention in his attempt to link the KKK with liberals is that the Democrats who founded it were actually social conservatives at the time.
Romney and Ryan’s disdain for the working class
By Eugene Robinson
Mitt Romney’s selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate underscores the central question posed by this campaign: Should cold selfishness become the template for our society, or do we still believe in community?
This is not about free enterprise, and it’s not about personal liberty; those fundamental principles are unquestioned. But for at least the past 100 years, we have understood capitalism and freedom to exist within a larger context — a complicated, real-world, human context. Some people begin life at a disadvantage, and it’s in the national interest to open doors of opportunity for them. Some people make mistakes, and it’s in the national interest to create second chances. Some people are too young, too old or too infirm to care for themselves, and it’s in the national interest to secure their welfare.
This sense of the balance between individualism and community fueled the American Century. Romney and Ryan apparently don’t believe in it.
At least three times in recent days, as part of his response to President Obama’s “You didn’t build that” peroration, Romney has told campaign audiences variations of the following: “When a young person makes the honor roll, I know he took a school bus to get to the school, but I don’t give the bus driver credit for the honor roll.”
When he delivered that line in Manassas on Saturday with Ryan in tow, Romney drew wild applause. He went on to say that a person who gets a promotion and raise at work, and who commutes to the office by car, doesn’t owe anything to the clerk at the motor vehicles department who processes driver’s licenses.
What I hear Romney saying, and I suspect many others will also hear, is that the little people don’t contribute and don’t count.
I don’t know whether Romney’s sons ever rode the bus to school. I do know that for most parents, it matters greatly who picks up their children in the morning and drops them off in the afternoon.
It may not be the driver’s job to help with algebra homework, but he or she bears enormous responsibility for safely handling the most precious cargo imaginable. A good bus driver gets to know the children, maintains order and discipline, deals with harassment and bullying. Romney may not realize it, but a good driver plays an important role in ensuring a child’s physical and emotional well-being — and may, in fact, be the first adult to whom the child proudly displays a report card with all A’s.
School bus drivers don’t make a lot of money. Nor, for that matter, do the clerks who help keep unqualified drivers and unsafe vehicles off the streets. But these workers are not mere cogs in a machine designed to service those who make more money. They are part of a community.
The same is true of teachers, police officers, firefighters and others whom Romney and Ryan dismiss as minions of “big government” rather than public servants.
And what do the Republicans offer their supposed heroes, the entrepreneurs who start small businesses? The few who succeed wildly would be rewarded with tax cuts so huge that they, like Romney, might one day have a dressage horse competing in the Olympics. Most of those who just manage to scrape by, or whose businesses fail, could look forward to only as much health care in their senior years as they are able to afford, and not one bit more.
This is a campaign Democrats should relish. The United States became the world’s dominant economic, political and military power by recognizing that we are all in this together. School bus drivers, too.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/romney-and-ryan-are-overlooking-the-underclass/2012/08/13/63e917ea-e579-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_story.html?hpid=z7
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How do you govern We the People with no more awareness of the Community that 95% of us live in than Romney/Ryan?
One of the central things I learned as a child no higher than my Dear Old Redneck Daddy’s knee was to take pride in and try to be the best at whatever I did. His saying “There are no small jobs just small minds” has been one of the guiding principles of my life. Each of the members of our Community is to be valued as contributing to the welfare of the Whole of that Community.
When you seek to denigrate a Man or Woman’s contribution on the bases of what is more or less of a value to the betterment of our society then you seek to denigrate our society.
How do you Govern what you are apparently incapable of understanding?
Great post, IR--thanks for sharing. I love Eugene Robinson.
Maybe when you live in a gated community with the 1%, you don't get that the rest of us live in real communities where everyone tries to look out for everyone else and shares in their achievements. The school bus driver might not help the honor student study, but the entire community paid property taxes to build the school district and pay everyone's salaries, including the teachers of that honor student. Funny thing is, Romney started Bain Capital with a promise of his old job back (plus promotions) but says he did that "on his own". I think he really believes this stuff.
Excellent post, IR, thanks for writing it.
Good morning Floyd, Great Post, Eugene Robinson is good!
Nothing like the Obama campaign trying to play the race card whenever possible. Biden is obviously a racist, because perpetuating it is what keeps Democrats and civil rights leaders in power. It is amazing that somehow the Democrats have become the party of civil rights, self anointed. Maybe because their liberal supporters so freely ignore history. But there is no mistake that a long history of racism and racial divide exists in the Democratic Party.
Democratic President Woodrow Wilson was the one that brought segregation into the federal government. After the Civil War it was the Democrats that initiated Jim Crow laws designed to keep the black man down. The KKK was founded as the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party. Bull Conor who turned fire hoses on the civil rights marchers in Birmingham Alabama was a Democrat. Most telling is the fact that in September 2011 blacks filed a class action lawsuit against Obama and the Democratic Party for their history of racism.
http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/09/14/blacks-file-class-action-racial-discrimination-suit-against-obama-democrats/
When you have the Democratic Party in control of the House for 46 of the last 60 years, and Democrats in control of the Senate for 40 of the past 60 years, is there any question why racism is alive and well in America? Maybe it is not a coincidence that we have Democrats in power and the current unemployment rate among blacks is 14.4%.
Romney has such contempt for working Americans, it really comes through when he talks about the bus driver not deserving credit for the high achieving student. What if that student is the child of the bus driver, did he ever think of that?
President Obama actually understands that America's innovators often come from working class roots. Certainly many of our soldiers do. Of course, that's something neither Romney nor Ryan would know anything about.
As if a child of privilege such as Romney even knows what a school bus was. He probably sat a limo being driven to a private school asking the driver what that oddly shaped yellow vehicle was used for.
Rick
There are no small jobs just small minds”
Ahh, Scarecrow!
Perfectly presented! Thank you! It is so CLEAR the choice in this election!
A government working for ALL Americans or one that 'works' for the 1%.
I know which way I'm voting,...how about the rest of you?
Obama/Biden 2012 - 4 more 4 44
Rick-3416939
Nothing like the Obama campaign trying to play the race card whenever possible. Biden is obviously a racist, because perpetuating it is what keeps Democrats and civil rights leaders in power.
Correction: Icky Ricky,
It's you people who feed off racism. You know the Black Kenyan, Muslim, anti-colonial, wanting to take your flags and guns away, presiding in the White House whom you people consider the most racist entity. You people just gobble up these tidbits daily. You people ♥ it.
Get real
4more 4 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Democratic posters, if we are going to cut through the Romney/Ryan lies, we need to get fact check info out to the public.
Where possible please include fact checks in your posts, if you are not already doing so.
Remember, Romney is only telling the truth 29% of the time according to politifact.com.
Mornin, Darlin'! Great post! It's especially apt to me since my son heads off on a school bus for the first time in exactly a week. Also because my aunt was a school bus driver who took a HUGE interest in the students she transported, to the point that she had pictures of them all over the front of "her" bus and they all came to her funeral when she suddenly passed away at the age of 55.
Romney and Ryan don't understand that it truly DOES take a village to make a success of ANYTHING. You need every single "small" piece of the machinery or puzzle in order to make a whole that is complete and that WORKS. I value the people who manufacture the settings and cut and polish the gems that I use to make jewelry for sale. I value my CUSTOMERS since without them I have no business. I treasure my mail carrier who, like a very dear friend of mine who passed away from cancer at the age of 45, will pick up the packages I am sending out whether I have mail to be delivered on that day or not. I value the road crew members like my brother-in-law who maintain the roads and bridges so that my orders can go out and everything I consume can come in. I value the big truck drivers like my husband who transport everything in our country.
Romney and Ryan just DON'T GET IT.
Beverly and Redneck
The hardest thing about searching for the truth, is that sometimes you find it. But the question is whether you have the character to admit it? The truth often hurts.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK
I am an independent American and I certainly do not want corporate raiders, hedge fund titans or candidates who find it impossible to tell the truth anywere near the oval office... Obama/Biden 2012
Posted
by dls 37641 Excellent List and Explains da Evil Agenda from da Republican
TeaBilly Conservatives.
The
Kind of Men who support Mitt “F da Poor “ Romney and Paul “Middle Class
Warfare” Ryan.
1)
William Koch, Runs Oxbow Carbon, worth $4 Billion, Donation $2 Million to
Romney’s Super PAC,
What He Wants: To pollute for free, Koch’s fortune is tied to some of the
nation’s dirtiest industries
2)
Harold Simmons (a Swift Boater and corporate raider), Traffics in Toxic
Chemicals, worth $9.8 Billion, Donation $800,000 to Romney total giving $16.7
Million, What He Wants: Plans to store radioactive waste in Texas
3)
Bob Perry, Owner of Perry Homes, Worth $600 Million, Donation $4 Million to
Romney’s Super PAC ,
What He Wants: Tort reform to limit jury awards on homebuilders who do shoddy
work
4)
Jim Davis, Chairman New Balance Shoes, worth $1.8 Billion, Donation $1 Million
to Romney’s Super PAC
What He Wants: A lucrative Defense Contract
5)
Richard & Bill Marriott, Heir to Marriott Hotel Fortune, Worth $3.3 Billion,
Donation $2 Million
to Restore Our Future, What He Wants: A legal pool of foreign born workers to
work in their hotels at slave labor rates Romney served twice on the Marriott
Board
7)
Edward Conard, Ex Managing Director of Bain Capital, Worth $250 Million,
Donation $1 Million to
Restore Our Future, What He Wants: To screw taxpayers like Romney does with
half the tax rates of others
8)
Frank VanderSloot, CEO Melaeuca, Inc., Worth $1 Billion, Donation $1 Million to
Romney’s Super
PAC , What He Wants: Less consumer protections
9)
Steven Lund, Vice Chairman Nu Skin Enterprises, worth $31.9 Million, Donation
$2 Million to Restore
Our Future, What He Wants: A world safe for false advertising & marketing
scams
10)
Julian Robertson Jr., Hedge Fund Titan, worth $2.5 Billion, Donation $1.25
Million to Restore Our
Future What He Wants: lower taxes for the Rich
11)
John Paulson, Hedge Fund Titan, worth $12.5 Billion, Donation $1 Million to
Romney’s Super PAC
What He Wants: No restrictions on Wall St. gambling
12)
Paul Singer, Hedge Fund Titan, Worth $1 Billion, Donation $1 Million to
Romney’s Super PAC What He
Wants: He Needs Fed backing in his lawsuit to collect $2 Billion from Argentina
13)
Robert Mercer, CEO Renaissance Technologies, made $125 Million in 2011 alone,
Donation $ 1 Million to Romney’s Super PAC ,What He Wants: To squelch a
proposed tax on stock options
14)
Kenneth Griffin, CEO Citadel LLC, worth $3 Billion, Donation $1 Million to
Restore our Future What He
Wants: To end Volcker Rule on Dodd-Frank Wall St excesses
15)
L. Francis Rooney III, CEO Rooney Holdings, worth $40 Million, Donation $1
Million to Restore our
Future What He Wants: More building contract patronage
16)
Steven Webster, CEO Avista Capital, worth $4 Billion, Donation $1 Million to Romney’s
Super PAC
What He Wants: To Drill baby drill first owner of Deep Sea Horizon the worst
environmental disaster in the Nation’s history.
17)
Donald Trump, Casino Operator who knows what he wants he is just a delusional
birther nut
I forgot to add that I value the public school and university teachers and professors that I had for the information they passed along as well as helping my parents to teach me to THINK and REASON. I value the public school teachers in my son's future for helping me to teach him how to think critically and pass along information better than I could possibly hope to do. All the pieces are PARTNERS in success, and my son's teachers will be my partners. All of the "small pieces" do thankless jobs, especially when it comes to Romney and Ryan who would NEVER thank the "little people".
One fact has been overlooked by everyone except me.
MITT ROMNEY HAS HAD 1 JOB IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 1
His other two stints were at the government teat - supposedly running the Olympics, and Governor of Massachusetts. This is the guy that supposedly has the massive business experience. He had 1 job. That's it. For the last six years, he has been unemployed as a professional political candidate. That's some impressive resume! What a fool.
Terrific post, IR. Eugene Robinson cuts right to the truth. Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney = Ayn Rand self-centered greed. It's amusing to watch Ryan try to deny the many clips of him declaring his love and worship of Ayn Rand. Guess with the Ryan choice, there are now two Flip Floppers on the GOP ticket.
Rick's comment is typical GOP, they point and claim the left is playing the race while ignoring there are three fingers pointing back at them in the form of birthers and college transcripts (only needed for President Obama), Kenyan, other, secret Muslim, "you lie", monkey, gorilla, racial slurs aimed at two young girls and our First Lady, communist, socialist, Hitler, food stamp president, welfare queens, etc etc etc. Sorry, right-wingers but it is your side playing racial politics by the ever present dog whistles being blown.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/lott.sp.4.html
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/lott.sp.5.html
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/lott.sp.6.html
Um, Rick ... please read what Trent Lott said IN HIS OWN WORDS about the Republican party. Please take note that he identifies the REPUBLICAN party as upholding the ideals of the SONS OF THE CONFEDERACY.
Nice attempt at deflection Jody. But the fact remains that the Democratic Party embraced racism throughout this nations history. Trying to deflect with birther, college transcripts, and a few others is hardly a convincing case against a party that fought against the racial divide that Democrats pledged would never end. No surprise you refuse to accept the truth about your beloved party as facts have always been a liberals Achilles heel.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK
I just want to know what part of Biden's comment was not factual and relevant to the conversation. He stated EXACTLY that Mitt Romney said and pointed to its consequences. If Romney considers repeating his words about policy a PERSONAL ATTACK, he better just shut up and smile. You can't say "unfetter the banks" then complain when your opponent says it is a bad idea.
And it IS a bad idea and we WILL be in chains if the GOP gets in charge.
I see rick is playing the standard issue republican meme that Democrats were the party of KKK
he fails to follow history accurately and admit that the DIXIECRAT wing of the democratic party left in a huff after the Civil Rights Act passed.
rick, you want to gander at where they went? you need look no further then Sessions and Wallace and some of your other good ole boys.
Funny thing about history. no matter how hard you try to rewrite it,...it's out there.
too bad R$mney hasn't figured out that the internet tubes carry actual videographic footage of his positions of 'convenience'.
I can't wait until the debates. R$mney can't run and he can't hide - and his lies will be right there for the whole world to see.
Good luck with THAT!
Yes, the Dems were the party of KKK until Johnson pushed throug the Civil Rights Act and then they all ran over to the Republican party.
Clara KCMO there is simply no denying the racist past of the Democratic Party. It is a fact plain and simple. To suggest the Democrats are now the party of the people, just what have then done for the black community? History says they pledged to never let racism end. Right now the current unemployment rate among blacks is 14.4%. So it appears the Democrats are all talk, and talk does not change the facts.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK
http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/09/14/blacks-file-class-action-racial-discrimination-suit-against-obama-democrats/
blackcatwhitecat
Full story at: sorry but you will have to cut and paste as I cannot as of yet link.
blackcatwhitecat,
Copy the url from the address bar up top usually it begins with http/:
I hope I understood you correctly and this helps
Obama/Biden 2012
4 more years
Jennifer some of your facts are wrong, not surprising for a liberal. But for the record Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois pushed through the civil rights legislation in the 1960's not Johnson. Remember Jennifer it has to go through congress first. Dirksen also wrote the language for the 1965 voting rights act, and the 1968 civil rights act. So any Democrat that changed parties was doing so to hide from their despicable past of racism, bigotry, and hatred.
With the Democrats in control of the House for 46 of the past 60 years, and 40 of the past 60 in the senate, you would think the party of the people would have been able to do more for the minorities they pretend to care so much about. But the current unemployment rate among blacks is 14.4% and the black community as a whole still suffers a disproportionate amount of poverty. Some record for the party of the people. Talk is cheap, and the Democrats have been nothing but talk.
But Jennifer, don't let a simple little thing like facts get in the way of your attempt at revisionist history. If you did, that would be breaking with liberal tradition.
IR,
You are correct that there is hidden support for an Honor roll student. There is also internal drive that makes him or her strive to get good grades. If the bus driver was such a big roll in the success of the honor student, how come all riders on that bus are not honor students?
While there are many good teachers, there are also bad teachers. We need a system that rewards the good teachers and allows us to replace the bad teachers. We do not have that system now. Bad teachers are actually protected in our current system. I have fought this myself with one of my sons teachers. We started having problems the third week of the school year. We ended up having a meeting with the school principal. We talked to other parents they also had problems with this teacher. She was teaching second grade, a very important time for any child. She is still teaching to this day. We basically ended up writing off that year for our child. That should not happen, there is no reason she should still be allowed to teach.
My son is now in 6 grade. His lowest grade was a B with an average of 3.65.
The desire to be the best you can be comes from within. We can lead by example, rant and rave, but the individual has to motivate themselves as well.
Can the right be this shallow? I stll think they have some smarts. But to never think ever so slightly about the depth of a subject usually indicates ignorance. Does Rommey ever think about what he says? He constantly leaves out working Americans in his discussions. Why, I suspect that he has been isolated from reality for so long that it doesn't ring in with him. I have had discussions with Conservatives and they always have that grin on their face because they know their argument ("take care of yourself") doesn't make much headway in an American community. Heck, if we didn't keep taking care of those southern red states the hurricanes and tornadoes would constantly have them in tents. Why do red states always get more tax dollars back than they pay in? Sounds like welfare to me (if I don't look any deeper!)
I know some children on a certain bus run that Romney couldn't tell them their bus driver hasn't shared in their success!
This underpaid, compassonate soul has given backpacks, shoes, paper and pencils, not to mention other necessities to the less fortunate on her route.
This Christian lady understands that it takes a village to raise a child.
She is laying up treasures in heaven where "moth and rust does not corrupt, or thieves do not break in and steal."
The "Golden Rule" will forever remain the greatest axiom the world will ever receive.
That one rule destroys wars, hunger, hatred, selfishness, and any other vice known to man.
I guess Jesus understood that, because he said it was second to loving God.
Rick:
http://truelogic.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/the-republican-party-nazi-youth-kkk-have-much-in-common-christianity-being-one/
@Rick-3416939
So how did the Republican Party become the racist group today?
Solutions and felden, no surprise you confuse historical facts with leftwing propaganda. Just continue to make it up as you go along if that is what it takes to keep you happy. Liberals do epitomize what is wrong with politics, when you can't admit to anything then you can change nothing. A closed mind is a dying mind.
Independent redneck, Va.
I offer an alternate view to your above post. While yes it is in the community's interest to help provide these things, it is not the community's responsibility to provide them. it is actually the family's responsibility to see to the needs of their sick, elderly, unfortunate, etc. As I see it that is what conservatism is actually about, a return to the personal and family responsibilities that have been eroded by an increasingly secular society! I am not saying that religion is the key, but morality and common decency is what is being discarded along with religion in our society. 50 years ago, a pregnant teen was taken care of by her family, true there may have been some consequences for her irresponsible behavior, but it was the family that provided her support not the government! Now it is the woman's choice, as it always has been, on whether to have children in or out of wedlock. The problem has become who is to love and support these children? the government assistance program can support them, but where does the love, once supplied by a family now come from? Where is the teachings of morality and values, specifically family values come from? Not all children fall into this category, not even all children born out of wedlock do, but there are increasing numbers that do fall into this abyssal circumstance and with them the values that made this country something to be proud of are vanishing! As we set aside family and personal responsibility, as we set aside religion the basic vehicle for reminding us of these responsibilities in favor of individual choice and secular behavior, we are loosing the values that made this nation strong. In these past 4 years and in this campaign, I have never seen this country so divided and hateful of each other. Not even during the protests of the Vietnam War or during the Civil Rights movement was this country so divided against itself. In those cases it was only small portions of the populace that were divided against each other, today it seems like it is not only race, but class, and ideology that divides us all into fractured segments. We didn't win 2 World Wars and our freedom because of our military might, we won them because of our national unity. We won them because we decided to help and support each other like morality and family values taught us, we decided to stand behind our own. The conservative platform wishes a return to those values, a return to personal responsibility, a return to the family and the community, and a turn away from the me attitude fostered by a secular society run a muck!
obama will go down in history as one of the worst presidents. Not only have his policies failed, he is now running the nastiest campaign of all time. Blaming romney for cancer, calling him a thief, etc. is a new low. obama is playing on the stupidity of liberals. At this point, only an idiot would vote for obama.
Your underlying supposition that the Republican party is racist is profoundly in error.
Just a middleclass woman pointing out the error of democrat argument(s).
When Liberals have no argument it's time to throw out the RACIST word. Totally blind to whats going on making excuses for things that are in excusable. I wonder what party your Doctor or Fireman or Cop is
As far as I am concerned, Biden saying that the Republicans are going to put chains on all of us when they deregulate the Banks again was the truth. He could have said unshackle in stead of unchain or that they are going to shackle us again with debt to fix the same problem that we had in the last Bank failure in 2009. Chains works for me. In fact, I am not upset that he said what he did after three plus years of the right calling Obama every name in the book, including him not being an American, a traitor and more racial slurs than can be counted. The horses butts on the right think that they now can act as if they ever had any decency or class but it won't work. They have shown their butts over and over through Crossroads, Breitbart, blogs, ugly people like most of their leaders and so on. So, do us all a favor and stop acting like you have been insulted when all Biden did was tell the truth about what deregulating the banks will do to the country. He needs next to tell the truth about what the right is going to do to destroy Medicare, Social Security, assistance to the poor, education and women's rights. There is more, if they get the chance, like destroying our incomes and benefits and taking away our voting rights. The names the right are going to be called are going to worse as their real intentions are presented to the voters and the middle class. So get used to it.
I am not denying a racist element in the Democratic Party. I am pointing out to you that those losers left and went and joined your party circa AFTER the Civil Rights Act.
Are you seriously this ignorant? Or are you just 'acting' out?
Jennifer glad to hear you're taking the higher road,simply amazing
Michael
My kids have never known a school bus either. If anyone values their kid's well being, they would take them to their schools in person. The atrocities that take place on a public system school bus is more than twice that of those that take place on public school property. For the elementary school, we walked our kids to school, when we had to leave the public school, we have always taken our kids to school.
Rick,
Only a couple of democrats switched parties, Strom Thurmond did. What most democrats did was not so much repent of being prejudiced and racist, they simply buried their feelings because they wanted to gain the Minority voting block.
Historically, the republicans were the ones who proposed civil rights, but they too did not have the full support of their party members, but their percentages were 80% for civil rights where the Democrats were 64% maximum. Despite the Democrats having a near super majority in the house and senate, if the republicans, especially in the senate had not voted in their large numbers, the civil right act would have failed.
Sorry, dude, but that is the whole truth.
Jennifer
Let me introduce you to chains.
Say you are in business, and today your business is off 20%. On top of your traffic being down, your accounts has grown to 2 1/2 times the normal size for the last 2 or 3 years. This is people who have faithfully paid you on time in the past, but, today, they cannot and you know that to be true because they are also businesses and their business is down like yours and their accounts receivables are rising . You have used all your spare cash to stay current as current as possible, but end up making late payments on bills, late payments on debts, and you don't cash your personal paycheck for days to months, just so your employees are paid on time. You know if you can get a loan to get to the next period 2 or 3 months away where your business will pick up again and hopefully those in arears can start paying you.
You are not going to get a loan. Obama and the democrats installed 1100 pages of new and re-written regulations on who qualifies for a loan. Banks cannot approve your loan unless you pass those 1100 pages. Any one of the marks I listed have happened and are happening right now. The bank is no longer your loan office, Obama and the Democrats are.
They have determined whether you qualify for a loan before you even figured out you needed a loan and what the government qualifications would be.
Now that is being put in chains with nowhere to go.
I notice that Rick hasn't yet responded to Trent Lott's OWN WORDS:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/lott.sp.4.html
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/lott.sp.5.html
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/lott.sp.6.html
He admits that the REPUBLICAN PARTY is the "party that has the most in common with the SONS OF THE CONFEDERACY" - an organization that Mr. Lott BELONGS TO. This isn't someone taking a magazine article out of context, either, these are actual PHOTOCOPIES OF PAGES where Mr. Lott said this. But ... Rick, darlin' CLOSE YOUR EYES SOME MORE.
Rick-3416939,
I notice that you cling desperately to the labels "Democrat" and "Republican" when talking about civil rights history. It seems kind of dishonest to do that in an attempt to shame liberals, without pointing out which ones were actually the social liberals and which were the social conservatives at the time, doesn't it?
Swiftboat Part 2 and here we go again, a group known as Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc. has been formed to sway the election. We need a new word for ugly this cycle and perhaps full elections every 5 years as the country with its current system is in a perpetual state of ugly.
Reuters) - A group of former U.S. intelligence and Special Forces operatives is set to launch a media campaign, including TV ads, that scolds President Barack Obama for taking credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden and argues that high-level leaks are endangering American lives.
The cast (partial) of non-politically motivated characters as they claim to be include:
The president of Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, Scott Taylor, is a former Navy SEAL who in 2010 ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for a congressional seat in Virginia, and
Chad Kolton:
Chad M. Kolton is a partner in the Republican lobbying firm HDMK.
Kolton, a former press secretary at the White House Office of Management and Budget, became a Senior Vice President in Cassidy & Associates' strategic communications practice in March 2005.
Kolton "had previously served in the Bush Administration as Director of Public Affairs at the Federal Emergency Management Agency and in positions in the White House Office of Strategic Initiatives and the Department of Labor. During President [George W.] Bush’s first election, Chad served as Deputy Communications Director for the RNC’s Victory 2000."
Kolton "began his career as Deputy Press Secretary at the House Republican Conference from 1995-1998. He then served for two years in Moscow, Russia, with the International Republican Institute, managing programs on political strategy, communications and effective governance for political and elected officials throughout the Russian Federation.
"Chad is a 1995 graduate of Albion College where he earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Political Science." sourcewatch.org
So as not to sully the ‘truth’ with a list of funders as if the communal stink hides every superpac funding the GOP:
It also set itself up as a nonprofit organization under section 501(c)4 of the U.S. Tax Code, allowing it to keep donors' identities secret. Spokesmen for the group declined to discuss its sources of financing.
So as not to appear politically tied or motivated:
Following the film's release, OPSEC's spokesmen said, the group expects to produce TV spots on the anti-leak theme that will air in a number of states, including Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Colorado, North Carolina and Nevada - key battleground states.
Let’s hope that some within the GOP have the ethics to denounce this. I will not hold my breath.
Full story at: sorry but you will have to cut and paste as I cannot as of yet link.
reuters.com/article/2012/08/15/us-usa-campaign-binladen-ad-idUSBRE87E01F20120815
I wouldn't put anything past these Republican-Tea Bag B@stards!
Boo hoo. You Liberals sure sound like losers here and not winners. Why don't we see what happens in November?
BCWC,
Right after the GOP conventions, the negative disingenuous ads will flood the air waves in swing states. This swift boat example seems to me to be a desperate attempt of has been political hacks to make a buck this election season. Wonder what their consultant fee is for this so called educational group?
I hope my follow Americans will just turn off the ads or use the mute button on the remote .
Absolutely, we need to support the Democratic Party of the people. The Democrats have a long and distinguished history of fighting for the rights of the American people. Here are a couple of good reads that should make everyone proud to be a Democrat.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK
http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/09/14/blacks-file-class-action-racial-discrimination-suit-against-obama-democrats/
It just goes to show Republicans cannot innovate. They consider their Swiftboat ads a success, against Senator Kerry, so they are trying the same attack against President Obama. Thing is, Americans are wise to the Republican smear and misinformation tactics. We've had three years of "birther" rhetoric, after all, and we haven't forgotten the "McCain has a Black child" the Bush campaign aimed at one of their own. Republican primaries are proving grounds for attack campaigning.
Rick-3416939
You are right, the southern Dems did indeed support the KKK in the past. Those Dems became Repubs via the 'Southern Strategy' and now it is GOP baggage.
just ask Robert Byrd
Here is a little history lesson for you blackcatwhitecoat, if you can handle the truth.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK
Democrats have been running from their past, but they cannot hide from it. We get a lot of smoke and mirrors from Democrats, just like they pretend to be the party of the people.
The late Senator Byrd showed more intellectual honesty on the subject than some...
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Bernard Shaw: What has been your biggest mistake and your biggest success?
Sen. Byrd: Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.
- CNN, 12/1993
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Tell me...did Strom Thurmond ever renounce his segregationalist past? ...and what is DAvid Duke up to these days?
I say let the RNC and SuperPacs spend all their money on TVads - Over 90% of likely voters have already made up their minds.
I for one turn the channel anytime a TVad comes on - I already know who I am voitng for this election. It amazes me that there are still people that can be influenced by a false TVad's for either party.
Total waste of Millions of Dollars on both sides - imagine how many programs could be funded to help veterans and unemployeed Americans improve their skill set and obtain a steady paying job. Total waste -
What would you expect Robert Byrd to say, he wanted to stay in power. As for honesty, the Democratic Party has an undeniable history of racism.
For the record David Duke was a member of the Democratic Party until 1988, he ran for office as a Democrat. He changed his party affiliation in 1989, maybe to try and escape the racist past of the Democrats.
Strom Thurmond also began his career as a Democrat, or maybe more specifically a Dixiecrat which was as the segregationist States Rights Democratic Party. He served in the Senate from 1954 - 2003, first as a Democrat until 1964 when he changed parties.
Da Noid, thanks for making my point about the reality of the Democratic Party. Two great examples of Democrats trying to hide from their past in Duke and Thurmond.
The republicans have no ideas except Bushes tax cuts doubled down. More for the rich and the midlle class pays to give Mitt a tax cut. And the ignorance of the Middle cless republicans is striking. Willing to pay more so Mitt and his millionaire 1% buddies pay less? Why do you think we have such huge deficits? The rich have been lobbying for loopholes that they turn around and take advantage of. Romney has been trashing this President for 3.5 years and hasn't offered one real solution. It is sad.
Self Educated Voter,
Totally agree most citizens have made up their minds.
All these superpac rich guys are wasting their money.
Which is a shame, people need good jobs with good salaries.
These rich "job creator" are only interested to keep what they have and buy an election.
Da Noid...
"Tell me...did Strom Thurmond ever renounce his segregationalist past? ...and what is DAvid Duke up to these days?"
David Duke was backed by the Tea Party early on in an attempted run for POTUS.
Rick-3416939
You, Black Floridan Rep Allen, and Rev. Wayne Perryman are still living on what you think is a plantation. Unshackle your mind!
Wayne Perryman on Sean Hannity Show
http://www.wayneperryman.com/Blog/tabid/63/EntryID/17/Default.aspx
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I wonder how much money do the Repugs give Rev Perryman's church? I know you ♥ when Blacks pimp the Repugs. Any Black who criticizes President Obama on
HannityKKKanity is the one destroying the image of Blacks. Check out the Pigford farmers Obama gave money to.Sean Hannity - Rev Wayne Perryman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEbP0EB-RmQ
4more years for 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Dave, the Democrats have been in control of the House for 46 of the past 60 years, and 40 of the past 60 in the Senate. So when it comes to tax law, loopholes, and deductions there if far more Democratic finger prints then Republicans. Charlie Rangel couldn't pen loopholes fast enough.
But you obviously do not have a clue what you are talking about. If they do in fact close loopholes and deductions, then they can in fact lower the over all tax rate because more of peoples money would be subject to tax. The only question is will they actually close the loopholes and end frivolous deductions that Democrats have played a major role in adopting.
Well the jury is out on that one since both political parties have been talking about reforming the tax code for decades. But the fact that Democrats have controlled both houses far longer then Republicans and have done nothing would suggest they never will. The one thing that is for certain, is that Obama policies have failed this country miserably, and it is time for a change.
Rick, you have been shown the errrors of your arguments. The factual parts have been acknowledged, the rest has been debunked. Get over yourself and find a new talking point.
Pigford farmers
http://www.blackfarmers.org/html/022712.html
President Obama has called education equality the "civil rights issue of our time." Education is a critical part of an economy built to last. That's why he expanded childhood education programs like Head Start and doubled the Pell Grant scholarships that help half of all African American students pay for college. He also secured $850 million in funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities that will educate African-American students for years to come. A good education made the children and grandchildren of sharecroppers into doctors, lawyers and ministers, and it will help the next generation reach even higher.
I first met Barack Obama when he was a senator and I asked for his support for black farmers. He did the right thing, both as a senator, and as president, and helped end 30 years of injustice for our nations' black farmers. That is a clear example of how the President is committed to resolving injustices and moving our country in the right direction.
It's true that we have more work to do. African-Americans were hit especially hard by the recession. But we have come far, and President Obama is making sure everyone has the chance to take part in our recovery. He knows American communities will thrive when everyone plays by the same rules. During Black History Month, let us take stock of the gains we have made and the leaders like President Obama we have to thank for it.
John Boyd Jr.
founder, National Black
Farmers Association
http://www.blackfarmers.org/html/022712.html
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As far as I'm concerned your pointing out Rev Peryman indicates to me he is unaware of the things President Obama has done. Keep your racist notions to yourself.
Obama/Biden 2012
Noid, i think you failed to see the point. accusing the Rightwing of racism and you have a known KKK member. in 93 he 'regreted' his action. Maybe he did, maybe he didnt, i believe its called saving face. nonetheless Noid, careful casting stones from glass houses. Its your side that continues to perpetuate a non existent 'grand scale' racism.
I see where this has all landed. We cannot blame Bush for 4 years ago but we can blame Dems for much more than 4 years ago
Caesar - Now you're God? You can read a man's heart? Mr. Byrd had nothing to gain politically by his repentance, and throughout his career did more for minorities than most politicians. The Bible calls that "works worthy of repentance." People are pathetic to attack a dead man, but his record shows your hypocrisy. If you were open minded enough to read his biography, then you would realize just how intelligent and great of a man he was. Never mind! Most people aren't interested in expanding their minds, but just want everyone to think they're smart without having to work for the privilege.
Rick and Caesar, it seems the two of you are the ones beating the racist drum the loudest. What's up with that?
If you tell the public a true story, then the next day tell them a lie. The public would not know who is telling the truth.
That is the oldest play book in the world. Its call propaganda.
Hey felden, it is Obama, Biden, Democrats, and liberals that are always playing the race card. Whats up with that? Maybe if Obama had a record to run on, he would. Keep perusing those leftwing propaganda pages felden, the rest of us will stick with historical facts.
not at all fielden, just ask Biden. Disabled Voter, I hope its not a mental disability you need to go back and read what i wrote.
Beverley in Chicago,
Nice trail of facts and figures. I do have one question however and it is about a missing set of facts and figures from your post. The Question is, After all the preference shown to minorities in funding etc, how does it stack up percentage wise vs non minority funding? Are they equal? Are they larger? or are they still disproportionate in percentage of dollars spent and students accepted? Further, is there the basis for larger amounts of grants to minorities, i.e. are there minorities that are grade qualified that need the grants to continue their education?
Education is a sore spot with me as we have poured trillions in and still have a failing education system. It was not always that way and maybe the amount of cash thrown at it is not the solution! I have a son who has ADHD. His success in school was not determined by how much money was spent on him, but on the creativity of the staff and faculty to hold his interest in a subject! Better pay for teachers is only half an answer, the other half, accountability has been undermined by unions and tenure! Not long ago a story was published about a California teacher who won teacher of the year but was laid off because she lacked tenure. That I find wrong, she should have been kept in favor of another teacher, who though they had been longer in their position, could not post the same type of results. Restore accountability, make teachers prove that they are worth the higher pay and I along with just about everyone I've ever discussed this subject with, would gladly pay it! Yes newer facilities and modern equipment help but it still comes down to the ability of the teacher to teach the curriculum to students. It also comes down to having a curriculum designed so that the students are capable of learning it! These two areas are where our focus should be with bright shiny buildings and new high tech toys a secondary thought. It is now about how much is spent, it is more about how wisely our money is being spent. Quite honestly, from statistical trends, our money is not being spent in the right areas or on the right people. All children have the ability to learn, though not all of their abilities are equal. It has nothing to do with race, or economic circumstance but rather on the individual child and their genetic make up. Some learn faster and process information taught with little or no problems, others learn a bit slower, and some will never master anything beyond the basics. This is something that is seldom recognized as children are thrown into lump sum arguments. Some individuals in college do not belong there because of the limitations of learning they posses. These most often are the out of work degree holders who took an easier path to graduation. Some who are not in college do belong because they have the capacity for greater learning. These people most often are the rags to riches success stories of the likes of Steve Jobs and company.
Bev in Chicago, so any black person who disagrees with you is ruining the black image, people who want to stand on their own merits and not rely on the Govt. a mind is a terrible thing to waste
Rick
Byrd never renounced his views, nor did Strom Thurmond. Strom nor Byrd did anything racist from that day on except at one of his last birthday parties, Strom told a joke with racial underones. What we know for certain that Strom fathered a daughter to a Black woman. He took very good care of her, and they kept this fact quiet because of his political enemies.
David Duke was never a republican except he declared himself to be. Republicans sued him to get him to stop declaring himself to be a republican and lost in federal court.
Kardy
NO. Even in Wikipedia tells records that David Duke "Claimed" to have tea party support. He never named the tea party or the members, just like his self declared party of republican. Neither group wanted him, but you cannot get easily elected unless you can at least make people think you are accepted.
Kudos to CNN's Soledad O'Brien for pushing back and refusing to be bullied by angry old John Sununu yesterday...
www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79706.html
“Hey Girl, if you let me probe you I will let you turn your eyes away.”
Paul Ryan
IR, BCWC, thanks for the posts!
Nice try to capitalize on the faux national meme craze that Maddow tried to position last night. Congratulations, you fell for it.
BCWC--the governor of Pa. actually said that when asked about women being forced to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds before obtaining abortions--he suggested they just turn their heads away. This is the same man who helped pass a restrictive voter ID law (despite no evidence of voter fraud in Pa.) and whose role in the whole Jerry Sandusky situation has yet to be fully explained.
Sandusky was a lifetime Democrat.
Steeler Fan-380417,
It is also in Ryan sponsored legislation in the House.
Kudos to CNN's Soledad O'Brien for pushing back and refusing to be bullied by angry old John Sununu yesterday...
Da Noid,
That's Great. She put that lying POS in his place.
Do you really want to go there? Fine...
Jerry Sandusky didn't serve in Congress. Mark Foley did!
There you go with your hatred of gays Da Noid - you should be ashamed of yourself.
I have no problem with LGBT. I do, however, have a problem with pedophiles.
The rest of us see to know the difference. Do you?
Jeff - Sandusky was actually a die-hard Republican who strongly supports Romney/Ryan - they are two of his favorite people!
Obama/Biden 2012
CNN's Soledad O'Brien was caught reading from a liberal blog. She wasn't interviewing, she was preaching, and Sununu made her look like an idiot.
...ah, yes...the GOP Method...attempt to bully the media and if they push back whine and cry and complain that they're biased.
Sununu looked like nothing more than just a petulant child throwing a tantrum because he couldn't get his way.
Repubs creating voter suppression laws across the country for their leader Karl Rove. Rove bragged if they can remove just 1% of voters in 9 states the repubs can win the election. Studies show there is no voter id fraud. Repubs also add more suppression in their bills by removing voting places, changing registration hrs, and changes to how soon new registration cards have to be turned in with criminal charges attached if late. Repubs don't want senior voting who would protect their Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They don't want students and young voting, repubs don't want the middle class and poor voting. Why? Because repubs want all the money they didn't get when they crashed the economy the first time.
Vote President obama/Biden and Democratic party 2012 save your right to vote!!!
John Sununu is no different than Dick Armey with their misogynistic ways.
Is there anything worse than these bloviated @!$%#s trying to talk over and down to their women counterparts every chance they get?
Why any woman votes Republican is beyond me.
@Rick-3416939#5.12:Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, that pretty lady made an ass of that old dead idiot. The sum-bitch doesn't want to be treated as a fool? He should lie down, and shut up like all decent dead people do. Same with Pat and Bay Buchanan. Dead people everywhere have to be groaning over the rantings of those 2 alive wannabe's. GOP has no decency! Using the scum of the dead thataway!
Good God - What does Sandusky have to do with any political discussion. But since you like to stir @!$%# into the pot - this article points out Sandusky is a registered Republican .. that must means all GOP/TP registered voters support pedophiles (not even I believe that statement).
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/09/jerry_sandusky_and_joe_paterno_registered_republicans/
I am glad when asked to show proof of ID. When using a check, a credit card, to get a library book, when getting my utilities turned on, to drive a car, and ESPECIALLY when I vote!! I have noting to hide!! .. Why do you???
Sandusky and Paterno are registered Republicans. I know Paterno was a particularly outspoken one.
Family values strike again.
@TexasT-2966501
I see you watch TRMS. What a change from FUX NOIES
Problems539 what's Fux Noies? Is it French?
Rick you really are a silly little moron-Soledad had the CBO report and just like the Dufus from Jersey now, the former head dufus thinks if you call people liars and stupid and talk loud that you will intimidate us Democrats. It isn't going to happen we will yell and push back and frankly you can go screw yourself or your sister whichever you find more appealing
frespech, heard of the honor code, defend your point ,leave out the name calling. I think there is enough intimidation by both parties so get over it
Robert Shafer,
That's 2 fewer Republican votes in Pennsylvania than 4 years ago.
Paterno
The last words that I heard come out of his mouth was "Pray for those victims."
He was such a "Christian". Friggin slimeball.
Mitt's New Friend Is He horrible?
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LYgpLlaxDtQ/T3zjXncnEyI/AAAAAAAAJF4/v27Z_26Ja7A/s392/munsters_ryan_romney.JPG
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This Congresscritter's budget plan included a proposal for privatizing Social Security.
http://roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=8521
No wonder the other Republican Congresscritters are running away from Mitt's new friend.
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...so, let me see if I have this straight...
Mr. Romney likes Congressman Ryan's budget plan...but he has is own plan...which is like Ryan's plan...but it has a number of differences...but they're exactly the same...and by "same", they mean they're different?
I guess the neat thing about being non-committal, Mr. Romney, is that nobody can ever call you out for being wrong?
Romney probably has not read his plan let alone Ryan's, hence a lot of hemming and hawing.
.....so let me see if I have THIS straight.....
The GOP has been whining and bellyaching for almost four years about cutting government spending and those evil "entitlement" programs......but now all of a sudden they discover that ObamaCare actually DID cut some unnecessary spending for an evil "entitlement" program (the same as the Ryan budget calls for) - and now they want to whine and bellyache that they got what exactly what they've been demanding???
Ryan has consistently thrown taxpayer money at 'unfunded' legislation and wars. He is not and never will be a fiscal conservative. He is Ayn Rand in drag.
Da Noid, Bowles a Democrat thought Ryan's plan was a good idea, Obama also thought it had some good Ideas as well as President Clinton.
Blackcatwhitecat, how many people read Obamacare, Pelosi lets hurry and pass the Bill so we can see whats in it
Jo Anne in PA, so the Liberals are complaining the Repubs want to take away their Medicare while cutting 741 Billion from it for Obamacare, see how that works
Obamacare cuts $716 billion dollars from Medicare and uses to fund health coverage for 30 million people who do not have health insurance.
Ryan's plan cuts that same $716 billion dollars and uses it to give tax breaks to the rich.
Now there's a difference.
Rod, what about the millions who still have no coverage, so you take the money from a system where you pay little to nothing and put it into one that cost, good plan any other excuses. The excuse party at it's finest
Wisconsin is a red state. the death of the labor unions political power is on full display.
You might remind us when was the last time they voted for a GNOP President? lol
Revenge,
I will not hold your color blindness against you this morning.
But your remark about unions are greatly exaggerated.
Color blindness gives red a whole host of possibilities. Could be green, brown, purple, or red.
@Rod_Father#8.3: Yep. Course their bullsh^t comes in all tints, and all of 'em tote a pokefull. Regards
Funny how obama has turned for hope & change to attack and blame, but he has been blaming others since he took office. They talk about ryans plan for medicare, but yet fail to mention that obamacare cut 700 billion form it??
Obama has turned to attack and blame? Since when? Romney is talking about himself when he refers to a campaign of hate. Well, Romney has succeed in one way : I now, officially, hate Romney's guts.
What color is the sky on your planet, Amy?
Amy,
There's a HUGE difference between interpreting how various programs and policies MAY impact our country and calling someone a "felon", "tax cheat" and "murderer".
For an Administration that billed itself as being about Hope & Change its pretty inconsistent.
Mitt the Twit was on full display whining about what the President and VP talk about. Poor baby he gets hurt very easily.
He hasn't yet realized he's in the big leagues, and that the Dems. will not allow him to define them. Its a whole new ball game, you have to fight fire with fire.
Obama/Biden 2012
Name calling gives you so much credibility Mamma.
I have never heard President Obama call Romney a "tax cheat." I have heard the Obama campaign call for Romney to release more than two years of tax returns. Let's face it, for as wealthy a man as Romney to pay only 14%, begs the question: is this the tax policy voters want to continue to pursue? Further more, I find Romney's attitude towards paying taxes alarming, "I only paid what I owed, and not one penny more!" The man did not serve his country in Vietnam, and now he pays as little as possible to rebuild our country after the Great Recession. "Tax cheat" is a mild term for how I view Romney.
I now, officially, hate Romney's guts.
says a poster who will blame everyone on the other side for spewing hate.
had enuf -
Please back up your accusations with facts. When exactly did President Obama call Mitt Romney a "felon", a "tax cheat" or a "murderer"?
I challenge you to find one example of an Obama ad that uses "smears, distortions, or deceit".
Meanwhile, the campaign that is crying "foul" continually uses President Obama's words out of context to misrepresent his position.
john,
What you don't seem to understand is that Amy lives in Maine and can be relatively moderate. She even invested of her time to go and hear the empty suit for herself. Personally, I would have never wasted my time.
So for the Plastic Man to get Amy to use an invective,...I fully trust and believe it was EARNED and not predisposed - which appears to be how many of the Tighty Righties approach and manage their own personal Obama Derangement Syndrome.
Like I said, I would have never wasted my time watching Mitt speak out of both sides of his face live. I can see the tape any time I want on youtube. My eyes don't deceive me, Mitt really IS that phony and full of BS.
But in all seriousness. Good luck with THAT!
Johnr123
President Obama did not suggest I should hate Romney, Romney inspired that feeling in me, all by himself. It astounds me to hear Romney personally attack the President when Romney's campaign has been slinging the mud since the Republican primaries. Romney could have made this a campaign about the issues - but he didn't.
Amy,
You cant be THAT ignorant. Obama may not have personally called Romney anything, but his surrogates and campaign have. Romney "murdered" a woman who's husband lost his health insurance. Romney comitted a felony by signing SEC documents because technically he still owned Bain. "I have a reliable source that Romney hasnt paid ANY taxes for 10 years". That's purely outrageous versus differening opinions about the impact/effect on current and proposed policies that should be the basis of what this election is about.
And when you consider that the vast majority of Americans take the attitude that they "pay what they owe, and not a penny more". Why should Mr. Romney be demonized for doing exactly the same?
As for this concern about Vietnam service, were you even alive during theVietnam war? Do you have any idea of what Mr. Romney did or did not do with respect to miltary service at the time? Let me fill in some gaps for you. Romney registered for the draft in 1965. His affiliation and involvement in the Mormon church qualified him for deferment for 5 years. In 1970 he went through the draft lottery. His number was 202. The highest number taken in 1970 was 195. The way you tell the story you make it seem like he ran off to Canada. While you might try to say he conveniently "chose" to go down the church route rather than serve, you would then have to explain his continued and consistent support of his faith on a lifelong basis to this very day.
Amy, there are worthwhile debates to be had about how much government the American people want and what that government should be doing. Sadly, people like you are single-focused on ignoring the real issues and trying to spin an alternate reality that undermines a person's character.
You make some very broad statements and insinuations, but I see very little ability to engage in real, substantive debate about pros and cons of EITHER side of the aisle. Instead, you sound more like you've been hypnotized or bitten by a vampire and are now just a drone that spouts off the "party line" and continues to try to avoid addressing the real issues.
SDS...The money that you talk about is money saved from removing waste and fraud from health care and Obama plan reinvested it back into the program. RYAN PLAN TOOK THE SAME MONEY AND APPLIED IT TO MORE TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH!!!
had enuf of our elected ones
Well, I'm flattered you took the time to respond to my comment, that Romney's unwarrented claim that President Obama is running a hate campaign against him, has actually inspired me to hate Romney.
I remember watching the live video at work of President Obama releasing his birth certificate, to prove he was born in Hawaii, and feeling tears spilling out of my eyes. I felt such shame and grief, to see the first African American President have to prove his citizenship to quiet the slanderers, I literally cried. Later, I watched the video with the sound on, and heard the President's even-handed tone, and I didn't find it so sad - because he took such a positive attitude towards the whole controversy. President and Mrs Obama have been the target of personal attacks since he took office, but I have never seen them take umbrage, as Romney has.
Romney's Bain experience is a legitimate issue for the campaign, and he needs to either defend those business practices Americans might not like, or quit using Bain as a reason he should be elected.
The same with his tax returns - if he has nothing to hide, why isn't he releasing as many years to the American public, as he did to the McCain campaign when he was vetted for Vice President?
PS.
Not to make this about myself, but I am old enough to remember the Vietnam War. I remember the body counts on the nightly news (Cronkite), I remember the protests, the photo of the little girl running through the streets with her clothes burned off (she was my age.) I remember the Republicans keeping us in Vietnam, the boys getting drafted (my brother-in-law included). The fact that Mitt Romney opted to do missionary work in France during the conflict does nothing to inspire my confidence in him as a future Commander-In-Chief, not because he didn't serve, but because he supported the Vietnam War and didn't serve.
Romney IS a tax cheat. Even in the released returns there are some inconsistencies that really raise questions. The UNRELEASED returns probably have the real dirt - like taking advantage of an AMNESTY for people with ILLEGAL offshore accounts. That is the BEST EXPLANATION for his lack of candor. Calling someone WHAT HE IS is not a smear, it is illuminating the reality. Biden's comment is also totally true and highlighting the stated policy of someone running for POTUS seems to be absolutely appropriate. The "put you back in chains" comment is also totally true. What should we talk about? Romney's hair?
Then why did Mitt stay an Extra year on his Mission??? Just asking!
I'm the greatest Tax Accountant in the world.
"My College transcript nor my experience matters"
"I have giving you one year of information and that's all you people are going to get"
"I was Governor but you can't look at my record as Governor I want you look at my one year of experience and trust me when I say something "
"I have selected a VP with a plan but I'm not using his plan. Both of the plans are the same. No the plans are not the same"
"The President has a European Kenyan up bring which is not American"
"VP Biden said a racial comment"
"I'm whining because I have little boy pants on help me"
Obama 2012
Amy, who got us into the Vietnam war? Who escalated it, I'll help you John Kennedy and Johnson both Democrats. BTW what branch of the Military did Obama serve?
Amy, still waiting........
wlee.....Eisenhower got us into V.N. Nixon blew up peace treaty Johnson made with North/South Vite nam and China. When Nixon heard about it he sent envoy to S. Viet Nam to bribe them saying don't sign, when I am elected I will get you a better deal. South Viet Nam then did not sign. Nixon announced "I have a plan to end the war now" Well...he lied. From that election the blood is all on Nixon, right to the end. Ref: LBJ tapes with Sen Dirksen. LBJ did not tel the nation what Nixon did because there would have been mass national riots. My best friend Bruce Ugelsted died because of Nixon.
Here are 56 things Republicans have had to say about Mitt Romney.
1. “If you have things to hide, then maybe you’re doing things wrong. I think you ought to be willing to release everything to the American people.“
~Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, calling for Romney to release more years of tax returns, AP, July 14, 2012
2. “Now Mitt is not a perfect candidate. He has a number of problems. It’s hard for him, for blue collar families like mine to identify with him. It’s hard for economic conservatives to identify with him. He needs to do more to reach out to Latinos…”
~Former Republican NY Governor George Pataki, “endorsing” Romney and then telling the world how weak he is as a candidate, MSNBC, April 2012
3. “They (voters) want to know what’s the truth. They’re not interested in a chameleon.”
~Michele Bachmann, criticizing Mitt Romney’s flip flopping, speech in Florida, December 2011
4. “Well, I think you hit a reset button for the fall campaign. Everything changes. It’s almost like an Etch-A-Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and restart all over again. But I will say, if you look at the exit polling data in Illinois, you’ll see that Mitt Romney is broadly acceptable to most of the factions in the party. You have to do that in order to become the nominee…”
~Romney Communications Director Eric Fehrnstrom, describing his boss as a man who can’t make up his mind, CNN, March 21, 2012
5. “There are a lot of other people out there that some of us wish had run for President, but they didn’t. I think Mitt Romney would be a fine President, and he’d be way better than the guy who’s there right now.”
~Republican Senator Marco Rubio, wishing there were another candidate to pick from, The Daily Caller, March 2012
6. “He’s not a bold decision maker like Newt Gingrich is. Every time I talk to him, he says ‘well let me think about it.’”
~Romney supporter Sheldon Adelson, describing his new favorite Presidential candidate as a weak man who can’t make decisions, Jewish Journal, March 28, 2012
7. “I do know that all of the Michigan delegation worked very hard as related to the revival of the auto industry. There was really a choice between bankruptcy and liquidation. There was no one that was willing to come up not only with the cash to keep them afloat but also to serve the warranties of everyone, you and I that drive all these cars. There was no one that could have picked up those pieces other than the federal government. [The auto bailout was] bipartisan from the get-go. [Without it,] Michigan would have hit 40 percent unemployment rates.”
~Republican Michigan Rep. Fred Upton, endorsing Romney and then disagreeing with him about the auto bailout which has been a major Romney attack point, WMUK Radio, February 2012
8. “Mitt Romney and I don’t agree on every issue and certainly housing is one of them. When you look at what is going on here in Southern Nevada, you can’t say you got to let the housing market hit bottom. We have been bouncing along the bottom for years. And the fact is we have to do everything possible to: 1) keep people in their homes and 2) get people who are out of their homes back into their homes.”
~Republican Nevada Rep. Joe Heck, endorsing Romney, then distancing himself from Romney’s call to let home foreclosures hit the bottom, Las Vegas Sun, February 2012
9. “Santorum connects with some people. Unfortunately, my guy has a hard time doing that.”
~Former AZ Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen, endorsing Romney and then tearing him down, CNN, February 2012.
10. “Gone are the days when the Republican Party used to put forward big bold visionary stuff…We’re gonna have problems politically until we get some sort of third party movement or some alternate voice out there that can put forward new ideas.”
~Jon Huntsman, saying that we need a third party not long after endorsing Romney. Also implying that Romney is not bold, nor a visionary leader, “Morning Joe,” MSNBC, February 2012
11. “He may not be Mr. Personality, uh, you know, this is a guy who gives a fireside chat and the fire goes out.”
~Former GOP Virginia Rep. Tom Davis, endorsing Romney and then announcing how bland and boring Mitt is, News Channel 8 interview, March 2012
12. “Self-deport? What the heck does that mean? I have no doubt Hispanics have been alienated during this campaign. But now there’s an opportunity for Gov. Romney to have a sincere conversation about what we can do and why. I absolutely advocate for comprehensive immigration reform. Republicans want to be tough and say, ‘Illegals, you’re gone.’ But the answer is a lot more complex than that.”
~New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez, slamming Romney’s stance on immigration, Newsweek, May 2012
13. “Pick any other Republican in the country. He is the worst Republican in
the country to put up against Barack Obama.”
~Rick Santorum, calling Mitt Romney the worse Republican anyone can possibly pick to be the nominee, Racine, Wisconsin, March 2012
14. “He should release the tax returns tomorrow. It’s crazy. You’ve got to release six, eight, ten years back tax returns. Take the hit for a day or two. He has to give a big speech in defense of capitalism, and that will elevate, I think, this race above this tactical back and forth, which I do think he’s on the margin of losing.”
~Bill Kristol, criticizing Romney’s refusal to release tax returns on Fox News, July 15, 2012
15. “He glosses over and doesn’t even tell the truth. … Here is a guy who is the ultimate flip-flopper running for president, and he’s attacking me for not being principled? That doesn’t wash.”
~Rick Santorum, campaign event in Tennessee, February 2012
16. “Mitt Romney’s losing at this point in a big way. If something’s going to come out, get it out in a hurry. I do not know why — given that Mr. Romney knew the day that [Sen. John] McCain lost in 2008 that he was going to run for president again — that he didn’t get all of this out and tidy up some of his offshore accounts and all the rest.”
~George Will, criticizing Romney for not releasing more tax returns, ABC, July 15, 2012


17. “One of Governor Romney’s aides today on television said that Governor Romney, after he wins the primaries, will be like an [Etch A Sketch] — you take whatever he said and you can shake it up and it will be gone, and he’s going to draw a whole new picture for the general election.”
~Rick Santorum, Harvey, Louisiana, March 2012
18. “I do not yet know if I will find a Romney presidency more acceptable on foreign policy. But I do know that I must oppose the most recent statements made by Mitt Romney in which he says he, as president, could take us to war unilaterally with Iran, without any approval from Congress.”
~Rand Paul, National Review, June 2012
19. “We can’t nominate such a weak candidate. I’d love to be able to get one-on-one with Gov. Romney and expose the record that would be the weakest record we could possibly put up against Barack Obama.”
~Rick Santorum, ABC, March 2012
20. “Gov. Romney has claimed to have created 100,000 jobs at Bain and people are wanting to know, is there proof of that claim? And was it U.S. jobs created for United States citizens?”
~Sarah Palin, Hannity, January 2012
21. “I heard Governor Romney here called me an economic lightweight because I wasn’t a Wall Street financier like he was. Do you really believe this country wants to elect a Wall Street financier as the president of the United States? Do you think that’s the experience that we need? Someone who’s going to take and look after as he did his friends on Wall Street and bail them out at the expense of Main Street America.”
~Rick Santorum, Rockford, Illinois, March 2012
22. “I don’t know who all of his advisers are, but I’ve seen some of the names and some of them are quite far to the right. And sometimes they might be in a position to make judgments or recommendations to the candidate that should get a second thought.”
~Colin Powell, MSNBC, May 2012
23. “Running a business is not the same as being president of the United States.”
~Rick Santorum, CNN, March 2012
24. “If you’re not sure about whether to support Mitt Romney, whether you’re liberal, or whether you’re very conservative, you ought to be excited, because he’s been on your side at one time or another. So I’m not completely misunderstood. I’m not as excited as I am desperate.”
~Louie Gohmert, Republican conference, April 2012
25. “Governor Romney supported the bailout of Wall Street and decided not to support the bailout of Detroit.”
~Rick Santorum, Detroit, Michigan, February 2012
26. “At some point he has to show that he has a vision of a better way. He can’t just say ‘The future is bleak, follow me.’ Because no one will.”
~Republican strategist Mark McKinnon, according to Politico
27. “This is the free enterprise system. The only place in the world that I can recall where companies never failed was the old Soviet Union. This is what investors do in the free enterprise and capitalism system. And, yes, the free enterprise system can be cruel. But the problem with this administration is that small businesses have been the ones that have suffered the most, the kind that need investors, the kind that don’t need the hundreds of pages, the thousands of pages of regulations that continue to plague them and have them continue to hold back on hiring and investment.”
~John McCain, calling Romney’s tenure at Bain ‘cruel,’ Fox News, May 2012
28. “He changed his position on virtually everything. I’m a moderate Republican, that’s what I am, so I’d be inclined to support someone like Mitt Romney. But all those changes give me pause.”
~Rudy Giuliani, February 2012
29. “If Mitt Romney can be pushed around, intimidated, coerced, co-opted by a conservative radio talk show host in Middle America, then how is he going to stand up to the Chinese? How is he going to stand up to Putin? How is he going to stand up to North Korea if he can be pushed around by a yokel like me? I don’t think Romney is realizing the doubts that this begins to raise about his leadership.”
~American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer during his radio program, May 2012
30. “I’ve never seen a guy change his position so many times, so fast, on a dime.”
~Rudy Giuliani, MSNBC, December 2011
31. “We’re not going to beat Barack Obama with some guy who has Swiss bank accounts, Cayman Island accounts, owns shares of Goldman Sachs while it forecloses on Florida and is himself a stockholder in Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac while he tries to think the rest of us are too stupid to put the dots together to understand what this is all about.”
~Newt Gingrich, Mt. Dora, Florida. January 26, 2012
32. “Don’t just talk about Hispanics and say immediately we must have controlled borders. It’s kind of insulting when you think about it. Change the tone would be the first thing. Second, on immigration, I think we need to have a broader approach.”
~Jeb Bush, criticizing Romney’s stance on immigration and his attitude toward Hispanics, Q&A session, June 2012
33. “[Mitt Romney is a] Massachusetts moderate who, in fact, is pretty good at managing the decay.” He’s “given no evidence in his years in Massachusetts of any ability to change the culture or change the political structure.”
~Newt Gingrich, Des Moines, Iowa, January 4, 2012
34. “You can talk about the other back and forth, and flip-flopping and the other things. … If you’ve wrapped yourself up in too many pledges, that diminishes your ability to do what needs to be done in the final stretch to some extent.”
~Jon Huntsman, MSNBC, April 2012
35. “You can’t be a perfectly lubricated weather vane on the important issues of the day, whether it’s Libya, whether it’s the debt ceiling, whether it’s the discussion around the Kasich bill in Ohio, where Gov. Romney has been missing in action in terms of showing any kind of leadership.”
~Jon Huntsman, CNN, October 2011
36. “Can we drop a little bit of the pious baloney? The fact is, you ran in ’94 and lost. That’s why you weren’t serving in the Senate with Rick Santorum. The fact is, you had a very bad re-election rating, you dropped out of office, you had been out of state for something like 200 days preparing to run for president. You didn’t have this interlude of citizenship while you thought about what you do. You were running for president while you were governor.”
~Newt Gingrich, NBC News/ Facebook debate, January 8, 2012
37. “I would just have a different policy than what he has espoused… We need to recognize we are not going to deport 12 million people, and … we shouldn’t.”
~Haley Barbour, criticizing Romney’s ‘self-deportation’ immigration stance, Christian Science Monitor breakfast, June 2012
38. “Now you have to ask a question – is that really, is capitalism really about the ability of a handful of rich people to manipulate the lives of thousands of other people and walk off with the money? Or is that in fact somehow a little bit of a flawed system? And so I do draw distinction between looting a company, leaving behind broken families and broken neighborhoods and then leaving a factory that should be there.”
~Newt Gingrich, Manchester, NH, January 9, 2012
39. “Maybe Governor Romney in the spirit of openness should tell us how much money he’s made off of how many households that have been foreclosed by his investments.”
~Newt Gingrich, CNN debate, January 26, 2012
40. “Clearly while the president is overseas, he’s at a conference and while the president is overseas I think it’s appropriate that people not be critical of him or our country.”
~John Boehner, in response to a question by NBC News on whether Mitt Romney’s criticism of President Obama is inappropriate since Obama was in Russia at the time, March 2012
41. “Now, for Romney to believe that somebody’s grandmother is going to be so cut off she is going to self deport… He certainly shows no concern for the humanity of people who are already here… I think you have to live in worlds of Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts and automatic $20 million a year income with no work to have some fantasy this far from reality.”
~Newt Gingrich, Univision, January 25, 2012
42. “This is a man whose staff created the PAC, his millionaire friends fund the PAC, he pretends he has nothing to do with the PAC – it’s baloney. He’s not telling the American people the truth… I just think he ought to be honest with the American people and try to win as the real Mitt Romney, not try to invent a poll-driven, consultant-guided version that goes around with talking points, and I think he ought to be candid. I don’t think he’s being candid and that will be a major issue. From here on out from the rest of this campaign, the country has to decide: Do you really want a Massachusetts moderate who won’t level with you to run against Barack Obama who, frankly, will just tear him apart? He will not survive against the Obama machine.”
~Newt Gingrich, CBS’ “The Early Show,” January 3, 2012
43. “Those of us who believe in free markets and those of us who believe that in fact the whole goal of investment is entrepreneurship and job creation, we find it pretty hard to justify rich people figuring out clever legal ways to loot a company, leaving behind 1,700 families without a job.” ~Newt Gingrich, January 8, 2012
44. “Now I have no doubt that Mitt Romney was worried about pink slips — whether he was going to have enough of them to hand out because his company Bain Capital with all the jobs that they killed, I’m sure he was worried that he’d run out of pink slips. There is something inherently wrong when getting rich off failure and sticking it to someone else is how you do your business and I happen to think that’s indefensible. If you’re a victim of Bain Capital’s downsizing, it’s the ultimate insult for Mitt Romney to come to South Carolina and tell you he feels your pain, because he caused it.”
~Rick Perry, South Carolina, January 9, 2012
45. ” I think it’s that program, just updated.”
~RNC spokesman Alexandra Franceschi, admitting that Romney’s economic plan is the Bush plan on steroids, The Fernando Espuelas Show, April 2012
46. “There’s a real difference between venture capitalism and vulture capitalism. Venture capitalism we like. Vulture capitalism, no. And the fact of the matter is that he’s going to have to face up to this at some time or another, and South Carolina is as good a place to draw that line in the sand as any. That’s not what we’re looking for in a president of the United States. We’re looking for someone that knows how to build jobs, create jobs. And that’s what I’ve done in the state of Texas. So there’s no use trying to paper this over. That is a problem for Mitt, and he’s going to have to face it.”
~Rick Perry, Hannity, January 2012
47. “I think that it has to be a very humane approach to this issue, and we have to come up with solutions to it. But we also have to do something about the drugs that are coming across our southern border that are killing our kids… I think there are some people who want to leave this country and return to the country they came from, but obviously it requires a broader solution that that, and we all know that.”
~John McCain, slamming Romney’s ‘self deportation’ immigration plan as an inhumane idea, Univision, February 2012
48. “I know the difference between venture capital[ism] and vulture capitalism. Venture capitalism is a good thing, comes in, gives that gap funding to help these companies get off and get started creating jobs, and work. But Mitt Romney and Bain Capital were involved with what I call vulture capitalism. And they walked into Gaffney and took over that photo album company for no other reason than to basically pick the bones clean. And those people lost their jobs.”
~Rick Perry, referring to a local photo-album manufacturer in Gaffney where 150 jobs were cut when Bain assumed control, January 10, 2012
49. “I believe most Americans want their next President to remind them of the guy they work with, not the guy who laid them off.”
~Mike Huckabee, describing Mitt Romney in a 2008 campaign ad.
50. “There is no one who’s gonna be sitting on that stage who has the record of job creation I have. There’s one in particular who’s created jobs all around the world. While he was the governor of Massachusetts he didn’t create many jobs.”
~Rick Perry, attacking Romney’s record of outsourcing and job creation, September 2011
51. “Romney, supposedly the Republican most electable next November, is a recidivist reviser of his principles who is not only becoming less electable; he might damage GOP chances of capturing the Senate… Republicans may have found their Michael Dukakis…”
~George Will, blasting Romney’s flip flopping, Washington Post, October 2011
52. “He spent more time on the road to Damascus than a Syrian camel driver. And we thought nobody could fill John Kerry’s flip-flops! … [Romney's record was] “anything but conservative until he changed all the light bulbs in his chandelier in time to run for President.”
~Mike Huckabee, attacking Romney in his book for flip flopping, Do The Right Thing, 2008
53. “Bless his heart, I have respect for Mitt Romney, but I do not have respect for what he has done through this debt increase debate. He waited until it was a done deal that we would increase the debt ceiling and more money would be spent, more money would be borrowed and spent on bigger government, and then he came out and made a statement that he didn’t like the deal after all. You can’t defer an issue and assume that the problem is then going to be avoided.”
~Sarah Palin, ripping Romney for avoiding taking a position on the debt ceiling debate until after Congress voted to raise it, Hannity, August 2011
54. “I don’t think that Mitt Romney can legitimately say that he learned anything about how to create jobs in the LBO (leveraged buyout) business. The LBO business is about how to strip cash out of old, long-in-the-tooth companies and how to make short-term profits. All the jobs that he talks about came from Staples. That was a very early venture stage deal. That, you know they got out of long before it got to its current size.”
~Former Reagan OMB Director David Stockman, on Romney’s job creation experience, Fox News, May 2012
55. “The fact is, there are a couple of years he may not have paid any taxes. Maybe he’s concerned about that. But if it’s going to come out, he needs to get it out now so he has a couple of months to explain it.”
~Former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough, “Morning Joe,” MSNBC, July 16, 2012
56. “All we have to do is replace Obama. We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate. Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become President of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.”
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by dls 37641 Excellent List and Explains da Evil Agenda from da Republican
TeaBilly Conservatives.
The Kind of Men who support Mitt “F da Poor “ Romney and Paul “Middle Class
Warfare” Ryan.
1)
William Koch, Runs Oxbow Carbon, worth $4 Billion, Donation $2 Million to
Romney’s Super PAC,
What He Wants: To pollute for free, Koch’s fortune is tied to some of the
nation’s dirtiest industries
2)
Harold Simmons (a Swift Boater and corporate raider), Traffics in Toxic
Chemicals, worth $9.8 Billion, Donation $800,000 to Romney total giving $16.7
Million, What He Wants: Plans to store radioactive waste in Texas
3)
Bob Perry, Owner of Perry Homes, Worth $600 Million, Donation $4 Million to
Romney’s Super PAC ,
What He Wants: Tort reform to limit jury awards on homebuilders who do shoddy
work
4)
Jim Davis, Chairman New Balance Shoes, worth $1.8 Billion, Donation $1 Million
to Romney’s Super PAC
What He Wants: A lucrative Defense Contract
5)
Richard & Bill Marriott, Heir to Marriott Hotel Fortune, Worth $3.3 Billion,
Donation $2 Million
to Restore Our Future, What He Wants: A legal pool of foreign born workers to
work in their hotels at slave labor rates Romney served twice on the Marriott
Board
7)
Edward Conard, Ex Managing Director of Bain Capital, Worth $250 Million,
Donation $1 Million to
Restore Our Future, What He Wants: To screw taxpayers like Romney does with
half the tax rates of others
8)
Frank VanderSloot, CEO Melaeuca, Inc., Worth $1 Billion, Donation $1 Million to
Romney’s Super
PAC , What He Wants: Less consumer protections
9)
Steven Lund, Vice Chairman Nu Skin Enterprises, worth $31.9 Million, Donation
$2 Million to Restore
Our Future, What He Wants: A world safe for false advertising & marketing
scams
10)
Julian Robertson Jr., Hedge Fund Titan, worth $2.5 Billion, Donation $1.25
Million to Restore Our
Future What He Wants: lower taxes for the Rich
11)
John Paulson, Hedge Fund Titan, worth $12.5 Billion, Donation $1 Million to
Romney’s Super PAC
What He Wants: No restrictions on Wall St. gambling
12)
Paul Singer, Hedge Fund Titan, Worth $1 Billion, Donation $1 Million to
Romney’s Super PAC What He
Wants: He Needs Fed backing in his lawsuit to collect $2 Billion from Argentina
13)
Robert Mercer, CEO Renaissance Technologies, made $125 Million in 2011 alone,
Donation $ 1 Million to Romney’s Super PAC ,What He Wants: To squelch a
proposed tax on stock options
14)
Kenneth Griffin, CEO Citadel LLC, worth $3 Billion, Donation $1 Million to
Restore our Future What He
Wants: To end Volcker Rule on Dodd-Frank Wall St excesses
15)
L. Francis Rooney III, CEO Rooney Holdings, worth $40 Million, Donation $1
Million to Restore our
Future What He Wants: More building contract patronage
16)
Steven Webster, CEO Avista Capital, worth $4 Billion, Donation $1 Million to Romney’s
Super PAC
What He Wants: To Drill baby drill first owner of Deep Sea Horizon the worst
environmental disaster in the Nation’s history.
17)
Donald Trump, Casino Operator who knows what he wants he is just a delusional birther nut
A an independent American I do not want our country run by corporate raiders, hedge fund titans... and I certainly do not want Romney or Ryan anywhere near the oval office...!
One of the most important aspects of the Mormon religion, as directed by its founding father Mr. Smith... "it's OK to lie as long as the lie benefits the church or the family" guess what... Mittens sits at the head of the class... I've never encountered anyone who can lie so easily, but then again he's been doing it his entire life! Now Ryan on the other hand seemed like a somewhat honest man... until he met Mittens that is, now he's lying just a much and just as easily.
Both men want to destry the middle class... OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Interesting post Charlie.
Sadly, most people will just grumble at the facts...and say it's the 'liberal media' attacking them!
A word of warning. You are beginning to look like the teabagee Borg, that are constantly posting "Rush Spew" chain emails. Make your point, without a wall of text.
Getting nasty? Where has the media been? Mitt Romney has run nothing but a negative campaign from the beginning of his attacks on GOP opponents in the primaries.
Ridiculous of Romney to get his nose out of joint over VP Biden's comments when Mitt the Wimp has been blowing dog whistles the far right hears and cheers. Just remember, when Romney throws a tantrum, it's because it means a day when he's not being asked "why won't you release your taxes?" When Mitt can get all huffy about the GOP's bank and financial policies putting the American people in chains, it means Mitt the Wimp isn't answering questions about Ryan's Budget, killing medicare, privatizing social security and slashing discretionary spending while giving $4.6 trillion more in tax breaks to the 2%.
Romney's first ad of the campaign deliberately took the President's words out of context--i.e. he lied---and he complains about the tone of the campaign? Nice try, Mitt. The gloves are off and are going to stay off--get used to it.
Just like Romney "likes to fire people", eh?
Simply put, Williar is a liar.
First he touted is business/job creation record......now is doesn't talk about it at all!
Willard, where are those tax filings?
What do Romney's tax filings have to do with eliminating the US deficit, paying down a $16 Trillion dollar debt, getting 23 million people back to work, dealing with the unsustainability of our social safety net programs, etc.?
There is no doubt that Romney's tax filings would show that he does practically everything he can within current tax laws to minimize his tax liabilities, JUST LIKE PRACTICALLY EVERY OTHER AMERICAN.
While Romney clearly has more avenues to use than the average American (as a result of the greater amount of money that he has amassed), the filings are likely to show that there is NOTHING illegal going on. If there was something unsavory one would expect that the IRS would be investigating or prosecuting him.
I have a big surprise for most of you. ROMNEY IS VERY WEALTHY. Deal with it.
The real questions that need to be asked have NOTHING to do with tax returns and everything to do with how much government the American people want and what the American people want that government to be doing.
Who has the talent and experience in their back ground to deal with the biggest deficit and debt in the history of mankind?
Obama and Biden?
or
Romney and Ryan?
The choice is clear. A community organizer has never worked with in a budget. How would he know how to fix one? All he does is milk money from the governement.
Romney had to report to investors. We need some one in office who can treat money like it was his own and not run Vegas with it and spend like drunken sailors.
This government is broke because they thought the money train would never end and they spent accordingly. Guess what people? It has. The situation is dire.
Nothing like the Obama campaign trying to play the race card whenever possible. Biden is obviously a racist, because perpetuating it is what keeps Democrats and civil rights leaders in power. It is amazing that somehow the Democrats have become the party of civil rights, self anointed. Maybe because their liberal supporters so freely ignore history. But there is no mistake that a long history of racism and racial divide exists in the Democratic Party.
Democratic President Woodrow Wilson was the one that brought segregation into the federal government. After the Civil War it was the Democrats that initiated Jim Crow laws designed to keep the black man down. The KKK was founded as the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party. Bull Conor who turned fire hoses on the civil rights marchers in Birmingham Alabama was a Democrat. Most telling is the fact that in September 2011 blacks filed a class action lawsuit against Obama and the Democratic Party for their history of racism.
http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/09/14/blacks-file-class-action-racial-discrimination-suit-against-obama-democrats/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK
When you have the Democratic Party in control of the House for 46 of the last 60 years, and Democrats in control of the Senate for 40 of the past 60 years, is there any question why racism is alive and well in America? The current unemployment rate among blacks is 14.4%.
ROMNEY IS VERY WEALTHY. Deal with it.
The IRS recently released documents showing the 400 wealthiest Americans paid at, on average, a 19.9% tax rate. Six of the wealthiest Americans managed to pay ZERO federal taxes.
This is the sytem you and Romney defend. That's the issue. President Obama is wealthy too, but he wants the wealthiest to pay their share. Romney actually wants to give them another tax cut.
In Superrich, Clues to What Might Be in Romney’s Returns
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/business/in-the-superrich-clues-to-romneys-tax-returns-common-sense.html?_r=3&ref=business
Yesterday: Ignore those tax returns - focus on the issues!
Today: Did you hear what Biden said about "chains"?
Yeah, Republicans, way to stay focused on the issues.......
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
had enough.....for starters, the Romney taxes have a great deal to do with the deficit and debt. The fact that Mitt Romney has millions hidden in off shore tax havens to avoid paying taxes means Mitt adds to the deficit and the debt.
Publius wrote, "Romney had to report to investors."
What he reported was how well he was hiding money offshore, how he was removing jobs from America and taking them overseas, how well he was crashing companies and stealing their wealth and pensions, how well he was firing thousands of american workers.
Then Romney goes to the hardware store trying to act like a common man, like a Bob Vila from "This Old House", picking up a couple left handed screwdrivers, when asked what he bought, as usual...NO ANSWER! Went to grocery store as if he buys groceries ever, Imagine Romney eating store bought cookies that he disdains the middle class and poor eating. Pretending to be Ward Cleaver. ROMNEY THE IMPOSTER. Flip flops on who he really is!
Obama/Biden 2012
And what Biden said IS TRUE. What? We can't quote Romney ACCURATELY when it casts him in a bad light? If Romney does not want us to QUOTE HIM, he should SHUT UP. Romney stated he would UNSHACKLE THE BANKS in his first 100 days. That is a VERY, VERY, VERY bad idea. People understand it is a bad idea because IT WILL MAKE THE 99% SLAVES. That is totally accurate.
COME ON GOP. Don't dodge your agenda. If you are concerned that people won't like your agenda when we tell them WHAT YOU SAID, CHANGE YOUR AGENDA.
What should we talk about then? Romney's hair? He has nice hair, I'll give you THAT!
Aw hell! Courts are putting people who can't pay their debts in jail every day! Biden told the truth! Deal with it! Nothing more sorrier than GOP inspired banks. We need to regulate the thieving out of 'em.
Hmm, good point had enuf, I can't imagine how very wealthy people paying such low tax rates might have anything to do with the national deficit!
My new newest pet peeve is how much time "journalists" waste analyzing the "tone" of the campaign instead of asking the candidates to explain WTF they are proposing to do if elected?
I mean, isn't that the most important thing?
I really don't care if the word "chains" hurt Mitt Romney's fee fees.
I am not concerned if the guy he laid off pointing out that some really bad #@#$ happened to him makes Mitt Romney unhappy.
I do care that Mitt Romeny thinks he can get elected President with NO plans and NO disclosure of his finances.
I do care that Paul Ryan thinks that Mitt Romney should pay zero taxes on all the money he has stolen by shipping American jobs overseas.
I do care that the media lets folks get away with telling lie after lie, only crying foul if the "tone" is too "mean".
How about everybody in the media (and on the campaign trail for that matter) put on their big girl panties and do their damn jobs?
Just askin'.
You mean like finding out that Obama was accepted to Ivy League schools as a foreign exchange student and not an American and that thats the reason he cannot realize his school records and not just because his lousy grades would prove that he's kind of mediocre at best? Thought not. Hypocrite.
Anyday the MSM can give Willard a
pass on answering a single questions'get out of jail free card' is a good day for them!It's pathetic... the American people deserves ANSWERS!
Hey Jeff:
I voted for your comment . . . I want everyone to see how simple you are.
Here's a question for you . . . what difference does it make? I mean, lets say President Obama got his degree out of a box of Lucky Charms in China? Who gives a rats a$$? He was 35 when he was elected and a U.S. citizen.
Qualifications met dufus.
Two years of tax returns -- requirements met (I believe the word is) dufus.
Hey numbskull, Romney has not been at Bain for ten years. When he was there, he farmed out the manufacturing of rain coats and umbrellas to China for his company Totes.
Meanwhile, in the last three years we have companies and jobs running to China escaping the highest corporate tax rate on the planet, the Roman Legion EPA, Unions, and above all, Obamacare.
GM is transferred 35,000 jobs to China, and 11 plants.
The GM the scam of the century, it provided jobs 35,000 Chinese, and 11 new plants. No Americans were hired with that money, in fact, 25,000, and now 18 plants closed. GM has informed congress of their intent to move all their U.S. Manufacturing off shore. The Volt and Cadillac production are in the process of moving right now.
And GE?
Apparently Immelt's idea of being part of the solution is to ship as many jobs overseas as he possibly can.
A recent article on the Huffington Post documented how GE has been sending tens of thousands of good jobs out of the country....
As the administration struggles to prod businesses to create jobs at home, GE has been busy sending them abroad. Since Immelt took over in 2001, GE has shed 34,000 jobs in the U.S., according to its most recent annual filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. But it's added 25,000 jobs overseas.
At the end of 2009, GE employed 36,000 more people abroad than it did in the U.S. In 2000, it was nearly the opposite.
GE is supposed to be creating the "jobs of tomorrow", but it seems that most of the "jobs of tomorrow" will not be located inside the United States.
The last GE factory in the U.S. that made light bulbs closed last September. The transition to the new CFL light bulbs was supposed to create a whole bunch of those "green jobs" that Barack Obama keeps talking about, but as an article in the Washington Post noted, that simply is not happening..
China gets more from Obama:
China
Stimulus Funds
North Carolina-Based LED Maker Cree Inc. Received Over $39 Million Through The Stimulus And Later Opened Its First Plant In China. Over Half Of The Company's Employees Are Now Located In China And Cree's CEO Says The Company's Strategy Is "Cree Chip, China Heart."
Loan Guarantees
Sempra Received A $337 Million Loan Guarantee For An Arizona Solar Plant. The Solar Panels Will Be Supplied By SunTech, A Chinese Solar Panel Manufacturer.
Jobs Council
General Electric Cancelled An Order From Wind Turbine Manufacturer ATI Casting In Order To Get The Parts Cheaper From China. After ATI Offered To Match The Price, GE Still Refused The Order. ATI Was Forced To Layoff 302 Workers Due To The Move.
General Electric Has Also Been Criticized For Using Chinese Made Wind Towers Over American Towers At The Stimulus Funded Shepherds Flat Wind Farm In Oregon.
Stimulus Funds
Solar Power Industries Received A $5.4 Million Stimulus Grant Before Laying Off American Workers Based On An Increased Reliance On Imports From China.
Obama may have been a foreign exchange student?
"what difference does it make?" Maybe no difference...
Well, then, what difference does it make about Mitt Romney's prank in high school, or the method by which he brought his dog on vacation in the 1980s?
What difference is the content of Mitt Romney's tax returns for the past ten years?
@Jeff - How much did Myths dad pay for his "honorable" grades....where are Myths transcripts" Where are Myths tax returns?
GNOP can't handle facts. THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Bob:
What is Mitt Romney proposing to DO if elected? Why is he hiding his tax returns? Why does he require VP candidates to do something he won't do? What is the big secret? Why are you playing dumb?
Publius:
We all know that lots of U.S. companies outsource . . . but not a lot of Presidential candidates have the stones to claim they are job creators when their record shows that they are job destoyers.
And also, save the "top tax rate" talking point . . . since as Mitt Romney and company so eloquently demonstrate, most U.S. companies pay low to no taxes . . . as in ZERO!
Oh really. Romney a job destoyer? Here are a few companies that Romney and Bain saved. They employ millions of Americans and provide a HUGE tax.
You are fairly brain-washed.
AMC Entertainment
Home Depot
Aspen Education Group
Brookstone
Burger King
Burlington Coat Factory
Clear Channel Communications
Domino's Pizza
DoubleClick
Dunkin' Donuts
D&M Holdings
Guitar Center
Hospital Corporation of America (HCA)
Sealy
The Sports Authority
Staples
Toys "R" Us
Warner Music Group
The Weather Channel
Publius:
If everything is so freaking great, why is he lying about when he left Bain then? Why is he hiding his tax returns? Why does he need the offshore accounts? Why is he now against everything he has been for his entire life?
Folks who are proud of their accomplishments don't try to hide and run from them.
They just don't.
Tell us, how many of those marvelous companies manufacture something here in the US of A?
The majority of them import cheap @!$%# from China!
Oh, and, how many of them pay above the minimum wage?
So... spare us your HUGE tax BS!
One more thing Publius . . . are you able to cut and paste links to the "facts" that you type . . . or are you expecting us to take your word for it?
I mean, if you can't back up what you say, what is the point?
But, yet, you would take the liberal media as the gospel? Name on fact that is not true. Which one do you question?
Clearly, any one can clear the brain washed fog from their heads, can see that Bain saved hundreds of companies. That is a fact.
These companies provide a huge tax base and employ millions of Americans, they can be seen on every street corner of your city or town.
What exactly are you disputing?
Publius:
"These companies" is not running for President, Mitt Romney is.
If you don't want to source your comments, that is fine with me.
I will ignore them.
P.S. I don't like to waste time with the "my source is better than your source" game . . . FACTS speak for themselves. So, regardless of how much you wanna spin the facts, you have not answered one of my questions, or established Forbes magazine as a liberal rag . . . so in closing, you are stalling, taking up space, and wasting time, and unfortunately I helped.
Lesson learned.
Nashville, well said.
I was thinking this morning how easily the media allows itself to be taken "off message". Instead of pushing Mitt Romney about his taxes or the Ryan Budget and Mitt's flip flop regarding it, they allow themselves to be manipulated into discussing Biden's "chains" remark which the right has again taken out of context but mostly distorted beyond recognition. It happens with the left as well but less often. 24/7 cable media is great for many reasons but the down side is too much time wasted discussing he said/she said and finger-pointing, petty nonsense,
So, you do not do your own research, and just take the liberal talking points as the gospel?
Your brain-washing is complete.
Guess you think that Home Deport, and that Burger King are your street corner are not really there. THAT is the biggest proof.
Nash,
Sounds like publius is doing the Romney thing.
Romney caught lying again when bain bought Italy phone company....Romney says he retroactively was not working for Bain when he said he was working for Bain, and buying the Italy company has him listed as CEO of Bain.
Romney caught lying about when he worked at Bain once more. Criminal charges should be filed soon. That is why Romney announced Ryan as next president instead of himself!
Obama/Biden 2012
Biden is a drunken joke...divide the people...WHO in that audience was EVER in CHAINS!!????? Never, NOT one of them...what a lair!!
"Two years of tax returns -- requirements met (I believe the word is) dufus."
NOPE, NO YEARS OF TAX RETURNS. The 2010 return is incomplete. The 2011 is an ESTIMATE.
I want to see the previous several years to see if he took advantage of the TAX AMNESTY that was offered for TAX CHEATS. Even with the little bit released already - the form that would detail his OFFSHORE MONEY is not included in the 2010 return, for example - HE LOOKS LIKE A TAX CHEAT.
Really. He does not legally need to release ANY tax returns but we would all be FOOLS to vote for him if he does not. That is, unless you are comfortable with voting for someone that would LIE to CHEAT the government he proposes to RUN out of money.
Now I suppose you birthers will bring up birth certificates (which Obama RELEASED) and college transcripts, which are totally irrelevant, but none of that rises to the level of a CRIME like putting money ILLEGALLY in offshore accounts. Just because he took advantage of an AMNESTY does not make it any less of a crime.
If he didn't COMMIT A CRIME, why doesn't he release the returns?????
border joe.
Metaphorical chains. You do understand metaphor? I doubt it.
And WE WILL ALL BE IN CHAINS if we are forced to pay 30% of our retirement money to BANKS for the honor of having an IRA and 20% of our HEALTH CARE MONEY to insurance companies for health care in retirement (if we are lucky enough to even HAVE HEALTH CARE)!