Biden has no plans to address social security..more of the same bs. Ryan at least wants to address the hard issues instead of thinking only of political gain. Obama/Biden don't have the stones to lead this Country.

Pat

I'm 50. I read both sides of the matter. The reality is that IF Social Security is not dealt with in an appropriate manner, we will be less than two taxpayers supporting my checks. Thinking that is sustainable is laughable except that it isn't very funny to the taxpayer or me who won't get a full check without the federal government printing money.

Gee...wasn't Paul Romney errrr... Mitt Ryan oops...Paul Ryan a "social security" baby? Seems he had his education paid for compliments of the American taxpayer...the very same American taxpayer he now wants to screw...then he strays and embraces Ayn Rand...

Huh. You can't make this stuff up.

Ryan has spent almost half of his life embracing Washington politics, yet he's no "insider"...but I will tell you what he is an "insider" of: illegal trading. It seems he'll have to answer to the charge of dumping his stock in Citigroup hours after learning, in a CONFIDENTIAL MEETING, of the impending stock market crash in September of 2008.

Hmmm...didn't this same action land Martha Stewart n JAIL?

Obama/Biden 2012 Double Down on Stupidity

Biden again. The man just does not know when to shut up. First him and Obama refuse to reform Medicare, and now Social Security.

This has to be a great disappointment to Liberals who want the cap removed so the government can continue their giant Ponzi scheme.

The White House needs adults working inside of it. Obama and Biden are not the ones we've been hoping for.

Over on the Fox News site is a FactCheck article that shows the budget grows under either the Obama or Romney/Ryan budget plans. The differences? The growth is somewhat higher under Obama's, but the wealthiest Americans and corporations get tax breaks while the middle class gets $1300 higher Federal Income tax, on average, under the Ryan/Rpmney budget.

Note: This is being reported by Fox News!

Liberal masochism at its finest

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Do me favor - Pay attention to the racism here by people in your party. It's disgusting

What's even more disgusting, Pat, is not a ONE of them will call these racists out!

That is not true. You Lie. I called you a racist this morning.

Smith1 again. The woman doesn't know when to shut up!

Ryan Groupon Plan would be severe—leaving many elderly with insufficient funds to buy healthcare insurance in the private markets.

And that is what the older voter will remember on Nov. 6th.

BTW, Romney camp cancels Orlando stop scheduled in Florida due to exhaustion - giving up on FL already, Mitty, or you just can't handle the heat?

I assume Biden is talking about the main system of Social Security (pay as you go), not the funding mechanism. Probably trying to deflect any Republican attempt to replace Social Security with health savings accounts. I doubt he is blocking any fix to Social Security; just any change to SS's benefit structure.

MNPat

Sometimes you just have to like FOX even as a Lib, they have it as of the 9th- Obama 49%, Romney 41%.

Why would they want to change anything? First, the Social Security Fund will not default until 2020. Secondly, If Obama wins this election the following term will definitely be a Republican (America may be slow, but they are not stupid). At this point Social Security will fail and the democrats can use there age old election slogan "Its the Republicans fault"...

With the trend to reduce payroll taxes everyone's potential benefits will decrease as well. So the programs are gradually being phased out and the Vice President is predicting that trend will continue. The ultra conservatives should be happy that both social security and medicare are being phased out.

Biden promises no changes of any kind to Social Security...

Put another way:

Barrack Obama and I promise to bury our head in the sand and demand that Reid/Pelossi kick the can down the road.

Obama/ Biden... FAILED LEADERSHIP...

No jo, Biden did NOT say the Republicans want to put people in slavery. That was you. Can you hear yourself?

Isn't it funny how the GOP spin things. Cheney was a war mongering liar. He disgraced the office of vice president. But the righties liked him for those exact reasons. Biden is a man of respect and dignity and they call him names because of it. These qualities of VP Biden aren't qualities that fit in with today's Republican Party. The more you lie, the more you war monger, the more you protect the wealthy, the more they swoon.

Feisty, I didn't see the social security bs from this morning but I can well imagine the lies she was spinning. To quote Seinfeld - she's evil. Pure evil.

We have a VP we admire and they have no one they can hold up to with those qualities. But it makes sense. These GOP supporters are as evil as Cheney is. And Romney. And Ryan. And Palin. And Christie. And Gingrich. And Norquist. And Limbaugh.

Thrilled that VP Biden is on our side. We are ALL thrilled.

Pat Boston MA- That has to be one of the best post's I have read in News Vine. Not for the "Political" side but for the Human side. Compassion, Honesty,and Fairness,which is in dire straits in DC,Wall Street and Corporate America. If anything,Mr. Biden has shown he is Human. As my father once told me,"there's few of us good guy's left".

I love being called a raciest I haven't used the N word since High School that's 40 years, I have use the B word so I'm a sexiest too, But I have never used the Biden Word until now so I'm not an idiot.

I'm 45, and I for one want BOTH Medicare and SS. The BETTER be there for me AND my children.

Simple solution: let the trust funds BORROW from the General Fund. The Trust Funds have been floating regular government expenditures for 30 years! Why can't the GF return the favor and go the other way for a while? That way there is no default, and we can ease in changes over the following 30 years! FIXED. ONE VOTE. Make the TF a piggy bank with a LINE OF CREDIT.

Pat in Boston you wrote:

Our guy remembers where he came from and who got him there.

As you were discussing Joe Biden talking to a wide range of voters and Paul Ryan going to a fund raiser given by by billionaire casino mogul Adelson.

Weren't you effectively giving the same description to both VP candidates.

You have to love the contrast. President Obama and Joe Biden want to use government to help the human people. Romney and Ryan only want government to help the corporate people. All other government, they want to use to destroy the US. And the brain dead GOP supporters cheer.

ZOMBIES for ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 !!!!

Standard Democratic Obamaloney! Let's kick the can some more! I hope you all wake up before there is no such thing as Social Security or Medicare because everything has been spent and there is nothing left in the till.

SmBusOwnerinNY -- Agreed, and imagine being age 54! This is one problem with such moronic mentality, that a cut-off age of 55 is supposedly acceptable. You have to make the cut-off when people enter the workforce. People who pay into these programs for any amount of years are not going to accept less than the generation before them.

But if seniors really trust Ryan, or Romney who has lied about his taxes, and these Ayn Rand types who have wanted to dismantle the New Deal for eons, get real. If these radicals win power, they are coming after you next!

The rightwing social engineering = creating a crisis and then fear mongering to cut programs for the middle class. There is NO need for the draconian cuts proposed by Romney and Ryan. There are so many ways to make Social Security solvent immediately such as raising the cap on FICA withholdings.

The same goes for Medicare. If we had single payer (Medicare) for all, no one under the age of 55 would have to give up heath care security ever. With Baby Boomers retiring, and health problems skyrocketing, we need to find ways to improve these programs, not destroy these.

This is the BIG LIE radicals like Paul Ryan tell the American people, because he and other wealthy 1%ers like Romney don' t want to pay taxes - ZERO taxes. That's all it is about, robbing the poor to cut taxes for the rich.

Say no to these 21st Century Robber Barons -- They aren't in it for you.

TO: bubba-1946427 who wrote:

"I love being called a raciest I haven't used the N word since High School that's 40 years, I have use the B word so I'm a sexiest too, But I have never used the Biden Word until now so I'm not an idiot."

Bubba, don't lie to yourself.

hey idiot liberals, you do know that if there is not a change in ss in will dissolve in 2024 and medicare will follow in 2036. so do nothing and see it dissolve or change it and see it work better. also getting the ppl who suck the gov't tit out would be a good start on all federal programs.

No one is calling you a "raceist", bubba. Illiterate, maybe...but not "raceist"...

DB Akron -- This is the fallacy of rightwing reasoning, especially for someone like you who is 50 and paid into the system so many years already. Aside from the IOU that the general fund owes the Social Security trust fund...

There is NO need to print more money (i.e., borrow more money) to shore up trust fund programs. This is the rightwing lie that is told so that folks like you will accept tightening YOUR belt in order for the rich like Romney and Ryan to get even richer.

Are you really okay with FICA withholding being capped at $106,000 in earnings? You know dang well folks earning up to $500,000 are using Medicare and probably receiving SS checks.

Are you really okay with 1%ers like Romney paying a tax rate of 13.9% or less, and only a .082% rate under Ryan's plan, or decreasing the top rate for earned income down a full 10 points from 35% to 25%?

Are you really okay with $700 billion in lost revenue that is sitting in the Cayman Islands, and who knows how much more elsewhere? Ryan's plan would make it even easier for the richest 1% like Romney to game the system to enrich themselves further.

This is why Ryan's draconian austerity--for everyone except the wealthy--is even proposed. They say Ryan's plan doesn't balance the budget for 23 years, yet it probably doesn't even do that because of the assumption that tax cuts--especially for the rich--are revenue neutral. That's code for tax cuts pay for themselves and "trickle-down" to the rest of us.

We've done that voodoo superstition BS long enough. It has ruined the middle class in our country, which in turn will destroy democracy in this country. Come on, people are getting wise to the scam.

This election is now about FAIRNESS. Obama/Biden & a Democrat Congress -- 2012!

@mickey. Are you so moronic you do not understand how SS works for kids if their parent dies young. Ryan's father died when Ryan was 16. Benefits are paid to kids until they are 18. Ryan saved the money and used it for college. I have friends who did thevsamevwhen their parents passes before they were out of high school.

As to Biden's ridiculous behavior today both in regards to the chain phrase and SS will not change. What a jerk with his head in the sand. The money is not there. Anyone who thinks that change is not coming really is stupid.

SmBusOwnerinNY and TruePatriot best elucidate what I was thinking.

There is nothing wrong with the SS funding, other than the money being stolen from it to give the appearance that budgets are not as bad as they seem. Those IOUs? I'm not willing to forget them. It is money that I am due. SS is not an "entitlement" for millions of aging, hard-working Americans like myself. It is a contract; one that I was forced to participate in, and one that I expect to be upheld.

I don't care where the money comes from. Maybe we can't have unfunded wars anymore. That would be a good thing. You can't just not include the cost of war in your budgets and pretend that debt isn't there, waiting for an honest President to come along and include it on HIS balance sheet. If the need for a war comes along the cost of that war should be included in that budget. If war really is necessary make the argument for it truthfully.

Al Gore had it right when he was calling for a Social Security "lockbox". It sounded silly at the time, but he was right. I could continue ranting about this forever, but I'll stop after this last statement: I expect the contract to be upheld!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me see if I get this right Biden does not want to end SS BUT he supported Obama cutting the amount paid in, right.Now when the SS fund is on shaky ground as it has been said, WHY in the name of GOD would you take more out of the collection?? OH I know to make it end quicker.As for Medicaid, do you honestly think it will exist when Obama care comes into to play?? Just how naive are you??

he could "guarantee" he and President Obama would allow no changes to Social Security.

That's the problem Joe Biden.

Non partisan groups have said that if nothing is done Social Security will be bankrupt.

Because of people living longer and less money coming in because of a high unemployment rate, Social Security is giving out more than it's putting in.

This is a disaster in the making and something has to be done NOW, not later.

the only difference between Joe Biden and Mitt Ryan is that Joe has a brain and a human heart. oh wait, that's two differences, sorry

Newsvine Moderators

I read Feisty's comment in 1.41 and shake my head... How can you let her spew this garbage and NOT suspend her?

Off the subject,I would like to know how Joe's son spent two months in Afghanistan and came out with all those Metals. Sounds like a ticket puncher to me.Sorry only a true VET knows what a ticket puncher is.

Thanks CO in FL....

Those of us under the magic age of 55 aren't going to take kindly to changing that social contract (my parents don't think it's right eaither BTW, even if they are past the magic age; and I want my kids to have that backstop as well).

I don't expect SS to completely take care of me, I save on my own too, but if I've been paying 12% of my income directly and indirectly for my whole life, I want the payback. (!)

I read somewhere there is $134Trillion in unfunded liabilities, which sounds incredibly scary, but at present value, the number is down to $8 Trillion or something like that. So, OK big deal. $8T isn't that much really in a $15T economy. What's the Net Present Value of the next 75 years of defense spending? I'll be that's a bigger number. No one is asking to pre-fund that.

Let's not start treatingSS like the Post Office and screwing it when there isn't a giant problem. Boost the top cutoff from $110K to $130K, and increase the rate by 0.1%. Or just just expand a small rate (0.1%) for all earings. I'll bet that's all it would take. The sky is not falling and the small changes required to fix it aren't going to bankrupt anybody.

There was a thing called "The Depression". A prez that brought us out of that time, did it with the advent of SS and Gov job funding. How I wonder where we would be without the programs of the people oriented. To the peeps that call SS a sucking of the tit, wow, how closed minded and less than thoughtful at all. If I pay into a retirement plan and it is gone due to the rich not liking my safe older years, what a load of crap. Thank heaven for the lefty Roosevelt and sad that the gov wouldn't allow a third term. What other people minded reforms might have been accomplished. Only those that are rich can afford other than common sense crap ideas. Are they going to house their broke parents or put em out in the street. I got mine and your a bum isn't what America is in the least.

So Joe $hit-for-Brains Biden "Guarantees there will be no changes made to the Social Security Program", and you liberal ass clowns lap it up like a dog eating its own vomit. I'm saddened by the shear stupidity of this WH and the electorate that supports them. At least acknowledge there is a problem and start the debate! But nope, no issues with Social Security, no sirree. What short sighted $hit Heads, talk about a total lack of leadership, a total lack of balls, a disgusting display of ineptitude. Whats even worse are those on these boards who cheer this as some great victory for America. This makes me physically ill.

Don't be a dick, Hard. We are Americans too. We all want our country to work, and we think about these issues. It's not just: "you're stupid" ..."no you're stupid" I'm sure you're aware that there's more to it than that.

Joe Biden makes Sarah Palin look like an absolute freakin' genius.

So, does SS need fixing or not? If so, when?

Eliminating the income limit would seem to be the easiest first step (and I am a Republican and realize how this will impact self-employed people). However, I also don''t see the fairness of someone making 200K paying a smaller percentage of their income to SS than someone making 100K. We no longer get back what we put in, so that argument is gone.

I'm fine with discussing alternatives to the Ryan plan for SS and Medicare (including large defense cuts), but let's be realistic. Sticking our heads in the sand is only going to make the solutions more painful in the end. Sure it's great politics to say "I'm not going to address these problems", but what happens to everyone in 10 to 20 years when the funds start to go broke?

Are you going to double the tax rate on our children to pay for the fact that we wouldn't cover our own costs? Does that seem fair to you?

I expect better out of Obama's team. I expect Obama to be the leader he looked like before he was elected in 2008. I expect him to start proposing real solutions that at least get some support from his own party (i.e.; his "budgets" that can't get a single vote from either party don't count).

1. According to the law if you take something without asking permission, it's STEALING. I want the GOVERNMENT THIEVES to repay EVERY DAMN PENNY that they "borrowed" (STOLE) from mine and my parents Social Security trust fund! We have worked and paid OUR money (not the government's money) into that trust fund for our retirement. They did not ask OUR permission to "borrow" OUR money, therefore they STOLE OUR money and that makes them THIEVES!

This website is acting really screwy. That 1 wasn't there when I posted my comment, so I don't know how it got there (the text size changed too). Also the first time I tried to post this comment I got a Newsvine error message saying that it couldn't be posted and to try to post it again. ?????

The comment Biden made should scare the bejeejus out of you because it confirms he is uninformed and not willing to see what is happening. Social Security is bankrupt. There is no money in the trust fund and only IOU's that the U.S. must somehow pay back but the U.S. is broke too and CAN'T pay it back.

So for Biden to make a promise he can't keep either shows he is lying or is uninformed. That is like being in a boat that is leaking and he tells you that he promises you will be able to fish all day. You can't promise things you can't deliver.

In order to save Social Security it must be totally restructured and NOT 20 years from now but within the next couple years.

Here is some basic information about Social Security:

1) When started the average life span was 62 years old but could not collect SS until 65. Now the average life span is 81. SS was NEVER intended to pay benefits on average for about 15 years.

2) 13% of the population is currently age 65 or older. In 20 years that will be 20%.

3) When SS started there were 16 workers per SS participant. Now that number is just over 3 workers per SS participant and in 20 years there will be only 2 workers per SS participant.

So for Biden to make such a comment should scare each and every one of you because what he promised is impossible to deliver. You are naive to think otherwise. Rather than listening to promises that can't be kept ask Biden the tough questions like HOW can he promise 20 more years without changes. It is mathematically impossible and we need an elected official that doesn't pander to uninformed voters and tells you the truth.

Headline as written: Vice President Joe Biden told cafe patrons in Virginia on Tuesday that he could "guarantee" he and President Obama would allow no changes to Social Security.

Headline rewritten: Biden guarantees Social Security goes bankrupt and future generations won't collect Social Security.

You should check out Lower Roselle, lovely double wides

I'll supply the bullet-proof vests for your lunch outing in Chicago

Beverly

The $700 Billion is coming from the latest CBO Report. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/311462/news-cbo-report-medicaid-uncertainty-remains-medicare-cuts-grow-douglas-holtz-eakin

The CBO actually doesn't say $741 Billion in cuts. People have to go with a piece of paper and play identify the cuts in programs. The first pass everyone got $500 Billion in cuts. Now that people have gone through a few more times, they found that the cuts actually total $741 Billion.

The White House does not seem to be contesting this number. The left wing orgainizations sure are contesting the numbers, probably because they get another load of excriment on their faces and don't like it.

FG: If I do get the job I will be in Chicago from time to time and maybe you, Beverly and me can have lunch or something sometime.

Try a local Chick-Fil-A. It will have to be in the 'burbs though, because Rahm "Mayor of the murder capital of the USA" Emanuel doesn't like Chick's values.

DB, the missing piece is that the Ryan plan cuts $700B from Medicare also. Every time anyone tries to mention that, the Cons get very loud and defensive and quickly change the subject.

JoAnnaSmith1

It will have to be in the 'burbs though, because Rahm "Mayor of the murder capital of the USA" Emanuel doesn't like Chick's values.

Actually it's Flint, Mich. You know the state that has the "brilliant" emergency manager plan? The law that granted unprecedented new powers to the state’s emergency managers (EMs), including breaking union contracts, taking over pension systems, setting school curriculums and even dissolving or disincorporating municipalities and dismiss elected officials.

in order to be inquiring, one has to have a mind to begin with........

• Forrest,

I read above about your job interview.

• GOOD LUCK!!!

Hope you get the job! Saying a little prayer for your success right now!

While I respect Chick fil-A's right or any business to express their opinion, they must respect my right to personally boycott them or support them for it. In the case of Chick-Fil-A I will not be spending any more of my dollars there.

Thank you very much Bruce.

Heartlight

I'm not missing anything, that was not on discssion here.

Let me see which would be better. Cut the popular bridge insurance (ACA does this at a saving ove $136 Billion), cut the number of treatment options (not done in the Ryan Plan), cut payments to doctors (ACA appears to do this at one time btw), claim to cut the insurance fraud without any real plan on how that can be accomplished.

Now the Ryan plan. Send vouchers to seniors to pick a private plan (detail missing here - Plans must comply to a federally stated minimum care as currently prescribed by Medicare.

The federal gets savings of not having the high administrative costs. Private industry has a record of less than 1% fraud compaired to the 25% + rate known and not prosecuted by the federal government? It is believed that the decrease in fraud would permit insurance to pay more for the legitimate services.

The real cut in the Ryan plan is the limiting the increase to .5% on premiums. I think this is low, but it is probably the primary reason that $700 Billion ends up cut out of Medicare.

Best of luck to you Forrest!

Why can't you people take your personal conversations off-list and to private email? I don't bring all my friends and nodding acquaintances in here to clutter up the discussion, including namecalling, with useless posts that obfuscate the subject at hand.

Well Axelrod and maddow both have concurred that $716 mil was moved from Medicare to ACA.

Thank you New Day, you know I scaled my consulting business all the way back, and took a job locally, actually working again with the tools, because we found out my Mother in Law had cancer, so I would not have to travel. She passed away a couple of weeks ago, so I quit that job. This new job will be very much like my consulting business except I will working for a huge company and will not have the worries or responsibilities of drumming up clients and all the other things you have to do when you own the business. I will have to travel about 50% of the time supervising their work, so I will be on the road again for a week or two at a time, but the good news is that when I am not traveling, my home will be my office. That might be the sticking point for them, while Ca is probably very nice and where the office is in Chicago is very nice, relocation is not something I am willing to do. I told them that basically you are hiring me to go to your jobs and supervise them, anything I would be doing in the office in between jobs I could do from home. I am going to be remotely located in the field half the time anyway, so when I am not in the field how about me just going home and working from there. I think we may have a deal, I will know in a week, I think. I hope it works out, because it's too darn hot in the summer too cold in the winter, and I am too old to be doing what I was doing for the last several months, and yet I'm still too young to do nothing. Modern technology can be awesome.

So the administration that advertised hope and change plans on keeping Social Security the same and just let it fail. With the trend to reduce payroll taxes everyone's potential benefits will decrease as well. So the programs are gradually being phased out and the Vice President is predicting that trend will continue. The ultra conservatives should be happy that both social security and medicare are being phased out.

Modern technology IS wonderful, and you know what Forrest? They would be lucky to have you. Say hello to Mrs. Grump for me, and all the Grumpsters.

And someday, I will figure out why the right wing HATES friendship!

I have an idea for a change to Social Security. Remove the cap on the payroll taxes so income above $106,00 is taxed. The cap makes no sense.

Wish me luck Bob, I have been unemployed for two weeks and I don't want to turn into a lazy, freeloading, liberal, ok, so now it's a political discussion right. The point you made is taken, it is a political blog but many people on both sides of this blog have "known" each other for 4 or 5 years and every once in awhile we throw in a obfuscating cordial personal note to a fellow poster.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Why can't you people take your personal conversations off-list and to private email?

Why can't you mind your own f@ckin business?

Idiotic statement of the day. mind your own business on a PUBLIC blog. what do you have between your ears a box of hair.

Lest we digress, Teapublicans where are the jobs? Romney show us your tax returns!

Ha heres the funny thing, people complain about how mean and nasty fiesty can be but she gets collasped for saying something nice, and I would have not gotten collasped if I said something awful about her, but only because I said something nice. Now how strange is that.

Romney show us your tax returns!

Who really gives a @!$%#? That is just a non issue that the media is creating to draw our attention away from the real issues, like Romney wanting raise taxes on the middle class/poor to give the wealthy a tax cut. Or the fact that Romney really has no idea what he would do once he is in office.

Forrest, I think its merely because its Feisty but I dont agree with collapsing. it has the opposite effect.

Besides we wouldnt get the priceless gems from Feisty like the mind your f'ing business on a public open blog

Wow. Just wow.

Again, for the right wing: I will write the post I want to write, including greeting my friends. If you don't like it, put my posts on ignore.

@Beverly in Chicago

When will the media stop letting Willard and his surrogates lie about President Obama gutting $700 BILLION out of medicare to pay for ObamaCare?

In government-speak, you're allowed to consider a reduction in projected increases as a "decrease". In this light, Willard is correct.

From PolitiFact:

The bill doesn't take money out of the current Medicare budget but, rather, attempts to slow the program's future growth, curtailing just over $500 billion in anticipated spending increases over the next 10 years.

Half a trillion in increases eliminated over 10 years through ObamaCare. Granny off the cliff, etc.

Imagine the poor and middle class healthcare that will not be delivered as a result of the reduction in Medicare increases.

Doesn't Obama know that the boomers are starting to retire en masse and could use half a trillion?

Why isn't Obama providing for our seniors?

I have never collapsed a single post Caesar, and believe me some of the most tasteless and rude comments I have ever seen on this blog have been directed at Fiesty, if you think she can dish it out, I guarantee she has had to take it as well. If you stay with this blog for awhile you will find she has also been very kind when people on both sides have had some kind of personal misfortune.

find she has also been very kind when people on both sides have had some kind of personal misfortune

Thank you Forrest for the right wing wake-up call!

Holy carp Fisty... why don't you find a man and go have a romp in the hay... take the edge off... It must be difficult to live with such bitterness.

How many times will the MSM take his standard; "I'll get back to you" BS before they start to hold his feet to the fire?

A better question Redheaded butch would be when will the MSM hold Oblama's feet to the fire? Why didn't they push for his college transcripts? Why did they support the ACA even before it passed and no one knew what was in it? When are they going to finally do their jobs objectively?

Biden is just yakking through his sewer mouth... In fact he cannot guarantee that SS will survive this coming flood of indebtedness... SS has been robbed by Congress --- both sides of the aisle--- and now the Ponzi scheme must collapse... Oh, what to do, what to do... the dollar is shrinking, socialism and entitlements are peeling away any semblance of individuality and entrepreneurship, and all the socialists on this site can do is launch vile epithets at those with whom they disagree... tch tch Libbies... stop with the Alinski tactics and grow up!

Feisty Feisty Feisty... did you actually say this?

If I were you, I would start packing NOW!

Although, Lush Limpball's didn't keep his promise to get the F@CK out!

Will you?

But if we all left, Fisty Dumb Fuk, who would pay for your welfare and food stamps...

Sounds like the same Ole Joe I argued with in the early '80s.... His office told me, "The Senator is NOT going to change his position, regardless of the FACTS"

He's the same IDIOT today that he was then.... we were able to get rid of Lloyd Bentson, time for Joe Biden to take a hike too.... and take Barry with you....

Fiesty

Have you gone to bed or given up? Maybe both?

Beverly in Chicago....."When will the media stop letting Willard and his surrogates lie about President Obama gutting $700 BILLION out of medicare to pay for ObamaCare?"

Time to take your medications.

That is NOT A LIE. Obama(doesnot)Care uses the $ 700,000,000,000 (or whatever amount you read on different web sites) taken from Medicare to pay for the INCREASE in folks receiving Medicaid in HIS Mandated Universal Health Care Reform legislation.

Yep, it is Mr. Obama who is "throwing Grandma over the cliff" along with the rest of the Medicare recipients.

A better question would be: "Why is the Liberal media letting Mr. Obama, his White House media staff, his Chicago campaign headquarters, and his surrogates continue to LIE about EVERYTHING ?"

LOL.....The Liberals are saying everyone but them are dumber than rocks.

Romney/Ryan 2012 to restore America after MR. Obama's FAILED one term.

Good call from the VP. We'll just leave the program alone until it's out of money and then raise taxes on those rich people to save it. Brilliant!!!!

Why this guy never got to be Preseident, I'll never know.

Puleeze, the Democrats have ALWAYS protected trust fund entitlements. Anyone who believes Republicans have suddenly become the champions of programs like Medicare has to be ignorant and very gullible.

The savings in Medicare under the Dems and the president was from reducing subsidies to providers (pharmaceutical companies, etc.) -- not from benefits for seniors -- And in fact those savings are being returned to seniors by closing the donut hole.

Paul Ryan (and now Romney) keep that same amount of savings in their plan, but the BIG difference is they do not return that money to seniors, and certainly not to ACA, which they want to repeal. They really do steal money from Medicare so they can give more tax cuts to the rich.

The Teapublicans down the line are already getting their mothers who are on Medicare to be in ads saying their sons would never hurt them and other seniors. Riiiight, ALL Republicans voted for Paul Ryan's budget and to end Medicare as we know it.

Come on voters, you know Republicans have been trying to destroy the New Deal from day one. Anyone or any senior who is willing to take a chance of voting for the Robber Barons and giving them a congress to rubber stamp their radical agenda is insane. Romney and Ryan can't be trusted.

Vouchers are how they will END Medicare for everyone, because this is what will not be sustainable. Then they will use the excuse that it is not working as the way to end Medicare for everyone, including seniors already on Medicare. Don't take the chance--they won't stop at age 55.

Save Social Security and Medicare -- Obama/Biden - 2012!

It won't change? Dumbest comment ever.

Bankruptcy changes everything Joe.

Heartlight: You say "Ryan's budget also cuts $700Billion from Medicare". Are you really that naive? Do you really not know how a budget works?

When a budget is put together it MUST include costs that are mandated by law. The current law (ObamaCare upheld by the Supreme Court) says $700Billion is cut from Medicare. Ryan CANNOT propose a budget that does NOT cut $700Billion from Medicare because it is the LAW!! He MUST work around the current law.

So your comment that "Ryan's budget also cuts Medicare $700Billion" is one of the most unintelligent arguments I have ever hears. You CANNOT mandate that $700Billion be cut from Medicare and then criticize Ryan's plan when it contains the required $700Billion from Medicare. That is why Ryan said if they can get ObamaCare overturned then the required $700Billion from Medicare is no longer mandated and THEN the budget won't contain it.

But as long as ObamaCare mandates a $700Billion cut in Medicare then it MUST also be included in any budgets.

[I guess irresponsibility is a prerequisite for democrats.]

Yeah, takes on to know one, right Little Miss Hillary Supporter?

Or was it that you just never thought, in a million years, that America would vote for the black guy...

Poor poor Sn00kie...

"[I guess irresponsibility is a prerequisite for democrats.]"

What a tickler!

The epitome of irresponsiblilty: George "Curveball" Bush and his Republican Administration, of which Paul Ryan was a Member rubberstamping ALL of GWB's lousy decisions!

Republicans STILL refuse to hold GWB responsible for any or better yet all of the horrible damage Republicans caused the American People, and the United States Economy that Republicans destroyed!

Now Republicans have only ONE answer to cure the Economic Crisis Republicans themselves caused:

"Seize all Retirement money from all potential Social Security Beneficiaries!"

And Republicans, don't give me that CRAP about Republicans only want people's retirement money who are under 55 years old!

Once Republicans get in office, their first announcement will be: "Things are worse than we expected. We're going to need ALL your retirement money from all of you!"

Freaking thieves!

its okay joe, real american patriots and any business owner sees right through obama's BS the moment he states " An america where prosperity is shared"

its almost laughable to hear what he said, and the pathetic thing is all the takers are cheering for him!

one and done. Ron Paul 2012.

American Security

From the article above:

"Number one, I guarantee you, flat guarantee you, there will be no changes in Social Security," Biden said, per a pool report. "I flat guarantee you."

Vice President Biden is absolutely correct. Social Security has been an extremely important program in America for over 77 years. Social Security IS AMERICA!

Further evidence that we are a nation that strives to take care of its citizens can be found in the lovely sonnet ‘The New Colossus’ by Emma Lazarus, inscribed on a plaque inside the Statue of Liberty.

Courtesy of Wikipedia:

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

We take care of the poor, the sick, the elderly. That is America!

I urge all of my Republican, Independent, and Democrat friends to Vote for President Obama this November, and to take back the House of Representatives so that America can lead the world out of this recession.

Salud

Politicians like "bite me" Biden have been stealing money from social security for decades. Now it is $25 TRILLION in debt. That's how slick willy "balanced" his budget. Who's gonna pay the money back bite me? Not you you gutless POS. It'll be my kids, their kids and their kids kids! There will be change and it starts with kicking your sorry a$$ out along with the worthless community agitator who thinks he's king!

History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some
older ones) didn't know this. It's easy to check out, if you
don't believe it.
Be sure and show it to your family and friends.
They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't
matter whether you are Democrat or Republican...... Facts are
Facts.

Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the
number and card were not to be used for identification purposes.
Since nearly everyone in the United Statesnow has a number,
it became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT
FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

An old Social Security card with the "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION"message.
Our Social Security

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the
first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65%
on the first $90,000

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the
Program would be deductible from their income for tax
purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent
'Trust Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and
therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other Government program.

Under Johnson the money was moved to
The General Fund and Spent

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be
taxed as income.

Under Clinton & Gore
Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now
receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding
that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the
Federal government to 'put away' -- you may be interested in the following:

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.

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Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

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Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

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Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved
into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!

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Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats
turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your
Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

Mitt Romney has expressed an interest in gradually raising the retirement age, as well as means-testing benefits for the wealthy, but he otherwise hasn't specified his own Social Security proposals.

Just like every other issue - R-money either has no opinion, or a vague one, or he has been against it, then for it, and now against it again.

Talk about smoke and mirrors. You can't get a specific about ANYTHING out of R-money.

How would you know anything about social security Joe? You don't pay into the fund....

Guess in YOUR case, nothing will ever change... Congress will ALWAYS have their own retirement system, healthcare system, & ethics system....

Time to TAKE BACK AMERICA

"Guarantees" ???? Really??? Like when O guarantees transparency, uniting the nation, no tax increase on the middle class, unemployment below 8%, etc. etc. etc. Yeah I'm a believer --- NOT

Me thinks you struck a nerve there joe keep up the good work!!

Raise the cap.

Raise the cap!....(even though they will never get back what they paid in)...tax the rich!...why don't you get some ambition and get a better job? Put your hands back in your own pockets. This is America dude, not Greece. Obama's biggest accomplishment...class warfare.

Exactly, Job1. That alone will insure SS for a long, long time. Just one more example of the rich not paying their fair share.

As an Independent, these kind of days drive me crazy. Earlier I read an article where Biden was cutting down Romney/Paul for wanting to deregulate the banking industry. Even though Biden said it poorly (as he usually does...a statesman he isn't), I still absolutely agree with Biden on that issue. Now, I read this crap out of his mouth and I'm right back in the middle again. Obama and Biden don't have the balls to deal with trying to save SS. If nothing else do raise the cap. But no, they don't have the guts to deal with it.

Has anyone considered that in 20 years most of us boomers will have died off and we will be back to having more workers paying in and less benefits being paid out?

Daryl, so deregulation of banks is a teabagger ideal, right? But wait a minute, I said I'm for the opposite. I agree with Biden on that. I want the banks regulated... in fact Glass-Stegall needs reinstated. Some things I agree with Dems on and some the Repubs...period. By the way, raising the cap on SS is also a dem idea. Now get back to drinking some kool-aid.

Most of my young co-workers and family members do not believe that social security will be around for them and are smart enough to start investing on their own now.

ksw62118 -- Investing in what? The only thing left that is not rigged for the 1% are trust fund entitlement programs. You better fight like hell to keep it.

ksw62118:

"Most of my young co-workers and family members do not believe that social security will be around for them and are smart enough to start investing on their own now."

If the Republicans get their way, they'd be right, about SS not being around, that is. As far as investing on their own, they can do that now. Open an IRA and/or enroll in a 401K. Simple.

Right, a combination of small cuts and an increase in funding will fix the system. It wouldn't hurt to get rid of the free loaders. Non Americans, that don't or never paid into the fund, should not collect one dime.

The system, could have been fixed a hundred times in the past but our ball less congress has done nothing. The fix, as we get closer to the need, get harder by the year. Under the great King George, he must have been to busy starting war to think about fixing real problems. I guess Cheney didn't tell him he had to do it. Go figure!!!

Obama already has the solution to making sure there are no changes in Social security. Borrow the money from China. Let our children, grand children, great grand children... Try and pay it back.

KSW--"most of my friends don't believe SS will be there...."

Right, that's the scam they are putting over on us. If you BELIEVE you're not getting ANYTHING anyway, they can cut it under the guise of saving it, thereby costing you a lot of money. In reality, it is fully funded for 75% of benefits even when it goes "bankrupt." Just before it goes bankrupt, the general fund will be paying $200B(?) a year in payback to the Trust fund. Suddenly it will have a $200B windfall if it stops paying. Why not just keep paying that as a LOAN to the Trust fund? the GF will already be "used to" paying back the TF for years. How hard would it be to continue that? Not hard. One vote. Make the SS TF both a BANK and a BORROWER.

Look, class warfare has been going on forever. Karl Marx and Ayn Rand wrote books for a reason. For a while there the liberals were winning with union advances and social contracts made under the New Deal and Great Society. The righties hated it and since Reagan, have been making ground back. Clearly if you look at distribution of wealth in this country, they have been winning for 30 years. We need to get back to a stalemate where EVERYBODY's weath increases in tandem. Wealth created goes to the people who made it--which is pretty much EVERYBODY. Companies making record profits while employment and wages stagnate is a signal of imbalance.

OMG. its 2008 all over again, promise you the moon and when elected tell you to kiss my *ss and I will do what ever I want without answering to no one. May God help us if Obama and Biden are re-elected and the democrats get control of both houses.

On another note, social security was and is a good thing, it is the lying,cheating,stealing democrats who screwed it up. I understand the raising of the contribution and would support the raising of it again, but only if the social security fund would return to its original intent and and all monies that were stolen from it were repayed by taking it from the democrats pockets, also that unless you are a spouse or dependent you cannot recieve benefits without having had contributed into it. I especiality believe that all government paid employees should not have anything that is different than what a ordinary citizen recieves.

Wealth created goes to teh people who made it, which is pretty much everybody? hUh. How much capital did "everybody" put up to get the business started. Just because you are hired and employed by a company doesn't mean you get to share in all the profits. That is what your paycheck/benefits cover, you know, for the work that is expected. Libs need to get off the idea that everyone should be group sharing all the world's profits. Man, Talk about trying to piggy back and prosper off the backs of those smart enough and willing to take risks for their financial gains/losses. Workers are workers,, Business owners are Owners and deserve the lion's share of any profits they generate. Socialism is just robbing from the productive to give to the less productive and underserving.

Heartlite3 - dream on for that plan of having the boomers all die off within 20 years. Who then pays the interest on the $$$ the government will have to borrow to pay out bennies and COLA's?

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Job1 and others... How about enlightening the rest of us on your math sources that says raising the cap is all it will take? Seems to me that there are a lot more 90%'s than 10%'s. I guess the middle class earning over $106k or whatever won't have a problem with this, after all they are just middle classs.

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Obama and biden are just playing old school politics. Let those in 2033 fix it. So much for the obama administration careing about the middle class and poor

Dom...

Good points, looks like many workers think that they deserve more pay for the limited skills they possess. What is most interesting is that whenever I wanted to earn more income I either developed the skill sets necessary to get them or found another employer wanting my existing skill sets more.

Apparently such a simple concept is lost on many workers.

Biden is once more demonstrating what a complete fool he is by making such a nonsensical guarantee. This is a promise that is impossible to keep but I suppose he considers his audience to be comprised of morons and idiots that won't know any better.

What I will guarantee is that Social will be changed, and within a couple of years at most. These changes will at least be in the form of raising (or eliminating) the salary cap and/or the withholding percentage as well as gradually shifting the retirement window from the current 62-67 to probably something like 64-69.

This should keep the most important component of social security from changing, and that is; the benefits received.

Really now, what idiots would take this clown seriously?

Let them all babble. I am waiting to see what Congress does with it.

61 % of those receiving SS ARE NOT retirees !

Seperate SS Retirement from all the other SS benefits and stop using the program as another vote buying scam for the non producers !

Dom, I own a business, so I know it was my idea and hard work that made it happen, but I'm not the only one that made it happen. I rely on my employees, the post office, and UPS, roads and infrastructure, everything that everyone else does to live and work here. The FACT that wealth is concentrating upwards in the income scale NECESSARILY indicates something is wrong. We're not playing Monopoly. There is no winner if all the money goes to the player who owns all of the properties. Even the "winner" in that game ends the game.

Spot on Murph. You have to ask yourself why you would vote for a party that keeps raiding SS to pay for pet projects and refuses to deal with the issue at hand, when its YOUR money they are stealing.

We need leadership in the White house, not two comrades that want to keep kicking the can down the road.

I have to laugh at people above that try to put Ryan down for using his fathers social security for school. If it was his fathers money and he passed, shouldn't he have a right to the social security as it was his fathers own money? Wouldn't you want your kids to have any benefit left over if you passed away?

Regardless, something needs to be done. I personally say let the young opt out of if they choose, considering our country was formed partly for the right to choose.

SS is solvent until about 2036 +/- at which point it will be able to pay out 75-80% of full benefits even if no changes are made before then.

The gap can be made up with minor tweaks in revenue, eligibility and other cost saving measures well before then.

Exactly right Re-Elect. I can think of several simple things that would make a big difference between now and 2036.

Obama already has the solution to making sure there are no changes in Social security. Borrow the money from China. Let our children, grand children, great grand children... Try and pay it back.

Murph????? why wasn't SS in trouble under Clinton? oh yeah, Bush SR. and Clinton had the rich paying their fair share. duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

But you would much rather kick grand ma down the stairs. The new republican plan for SS and medicare is assisted suicide.

I was pointing fingers at the government period, not just fricking Obama. Social Security has always been in trouble since its implementation. The government should have been told from the beginning that the funds in social security are strictly for the care of the elderly who have been paying into the fund when they were working to help support their retirement and not funds for other projects that the government has interest in. . .

re-elect...

The SS trustees put the year at 2033, not +/- 2036. Just go to SS.gov, look up what your expected SS payouts would be at your retirement age and read the trustees disclaimer and dates.

Regardless, you're right, minor tweaks now could be done, but obama and biden have already said that they are not man enough to address it. Why should they? They have their own pension plan, not SS. Still want to fre-elect obama and company?

I will take my chances with romney/ryan and a congressional compromise to reset the course of SS and medicare.

Watt, no need for YOU to worry about it. It's OUR money, not yours.

American Girl,

Your money has already been paid to retirees that are older than you. My money from my paycheck funds your SS.

Definition of a Ponzi Scheme...

TO: brendan-4 who wrote:

"American Girl, Your money has already been paid to retirees that are older than you. My money from my paycheck funds your SS..."

You don't know a damn thing about me OR my money.

Obama/Biden 2012

American Girl,

Well, you just made it obvious to everyone that reads these boards that you are completely ignorant of how social security works.

Bravo!

TO: brendan-4 who wrote:

"American Girl, Well, you just made it obvious to everyone that reads these boards that you are completely ignorant of how social security works..."

Brendan, I don't give a crap what you think, or anybody else who tries to use politics to rob me of my retirement money that I've been paying into all my working life.

Wow, brendan...getting your talking points from Rick Perry? That has to be a new low.

By brendan's definition...every insurance company in existence is a ponzi scheme.

Poor little baby has a fit and doesn't even know what the fit is about.

Actually Social Security is no longer a ponzi scheme, Obama and the Democrats are content just borrowing the money from China.

American Girl cannot be swayed by the truth about her beloved Democratic Party. The lies about the Wyden - Ryan plan are piling up, and they don't seem to be resonating. But that truth will be well known prior to the election, and the lies from Democrats no longer an issue.

Here is your answer to the WMD's. Or is the truth not something that can penetrate a liberal mind?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.UCuWU6BiFkg

Try this on for size American Girl, party of the people, what a joke.

http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/09/14/blacks-file-class-action-racial-discrimination-suit-against-obama-democrats/

AmericanGirl, saying...

Watt, no need for YOU to worry about it. It's OUR money, not yours.

implies that you are receiving SS AND have no clue about how the government is making it possible for you to receive it. I wonder if you also believe that when the $$$ you paid in over the years runs out you will receive a government notice that says "no more $$$ for americangirl?

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Shocked and disgusted...

How droll, are you that ignorant not to see that insurance is just like a ponzi scheme. My insurance premiums increase every year, yet I haven't made any claims in years.

Think insurance companies don't have insurance of their own (offerred by re-insurance companies like AGI) or that insurance companies didn't raise rates after natural disasters like katrina, last years string of tornadoes, this years western wildfires, etc.

All it will take is a large stream of natural disasters over a short period of time for many insurers to not have the capital to pay out claims. IE first come, first served for claims, the last ones filing will be SOL just like a ponzi scheme.

Rick, I never considered iraq as having much of a nuclear WMD threat, but they sure did have a chemical WMD threat which they proved on more than one occasion prior to 2002.

Rick...it's pretty cute how you try to pretend that your little boy bush never borrowed a penny from China..oh yeah...that's right...The Iraq war was paid for in oil revenues...If you were capable of holding your own accountable, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. Sure, Rick...typical teabagger "mentality". Blame the paramedic that saves your butt when you were the fool that fell asleep at the wheel.

So....let me get this right "american". You are completely in favor of Ryan's plan to privatize Medicare and turn it into a voucher system for the elderly to purchase...let me get this correct...INSURANCE??? So you fully admit that Paul Ryan has no other goal than to fashion Medicare into, by YOUR OWN EXAMPLE, a giant ponzi scheme. Thank you for standing up against the evil, greedy plans of Mr. Paul Ryan.

So...who are you voting for again??

Wrong, about Social Security "going broke." First, there is a healthy surplus. If you recall, Republican legislators tried very hard some years ago to "borrow" money from the surplus to use it for "more immediate needs," insisting that there was more money in the surplus than would ever be needed by retiring Boomers (leaving a surplus for retirees who came after them). This time, in view of a number of factors, the public didn't agree to this. The number of Boomers are fading out now, replaced by a smaller generation of retirees. Another consideration: Govt has, on occasion, borrowed/repaid money from the surplus for specific purposes. IF Social Security encountered a shortfall, govt would do what it already currently does throughout the budget: Reallocate funds from a non-urgent part of the budget, even if that means taking a break from massive military spending for as while. Might even have to scale back those extraordinary, ongoing tax cuts for those at the top. Every tax cut for the rich means less money to cover the fundamental needs of the nation, slightly higher taxes for the average citizen.

And I doubt Romney nor Ryan gives a crap if she would vote for them or not.

DownTown, we voters are acutely aware that neither Romney nor Ryan give a crap about us.

Here is all you need to know about the Democratic Party of the people American Girl espouses about daily. Try this on for size American Girl, party of the people, what a joke.

http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/09/14/blacks-file-class-action-racial-discrimination-suit-against-obama-democrats/

The democrats plan..bankrupt it all.

So I can only assume from what the Vice President is saying that the current administration has no plans to fix anything. What happened to hope and change?

...we musn't confuse Julie with reality...

TO: Jim Steele-1371827 who wrote:

"No changes -- but Social Security is going bankrupt!"

If you don't have any money in SS it doesn't affect you anyway, and if you do have any money in it you wouldn't be so anxious to turn it over for the Republicans to spend, especially NOT if you paid into it all your life like I have!

If you follow the Republican Plan and you're 55 years old or younger, you'll never see a penny of your money again anyway because the GOP already has a "plan" of how they're going to spend your money, if they can get their greedy freaking hands on it.

Obama/Biden 2012

Will Haas,

No your assumption is wrong.

Guaranteeing SS as program mean not turning it into some retirement saving account that you can invest in stock. That was an old GOP ideas. No one talks about that now, because of the financial meltdown in 2008.

But Biden did not say anything about fixing the funding in future years. Raise the FICA cap on income, include capital gains income under the FICA contributions. There are lots of ideas that would fix the funding to strengthen the basic plan of Social Security.

American girl, if you have been collecting for more then 8 years then you have already used up your money that you have put into social security and are being a drag on the system which means are basically a welfare person of the government.

So why are you entitled to the young people's money when your generation put us into the debt problem?

Yes, I have been paying into social security for a long time and I like the idea that I can put money into a private fund and stop paying into social security for two reasons. First, I knew my money will be there in the future. Second, watch all you free loaders that have already used up your social security money panic on how you are going to live when they start sending you less money.

huntington,

Each of us contribute to SS and I always like to think of my great aunt, my parents and my contributions to the system provide a base on income in their retirement years.

I do not know how old you are but you will have SS. No one is going to change that.

BTW you also need to fund other ways to have income when you retire. SS was never meant to be the only income in your later years.

Sadly, for many people it is their only source of income.

Northstar, you are making a big assumption that our younger population is going to grow or we are going to import a very large population. In this assumption you are also relying on wages to increase dramatically. What you are not taking into effect is that with unemployment being around 8%, that most jobs being created are way below they average of what the baby boomers were making, and the government has borrowed more from the social security fund and has left IOUs (I would expect my 13 year nephew pay me back the money always "borrows" first before the government pays the IOUs back). Yes it was both sides that spent it.

You can tax people so much before young people will leave.

I already do fund my own retirement, but I would like to put more into it then into social security.

darryl,

I might be seen as a bitter old fart. But unlike you, I do not like taking advantage of the youth of America. I think they should not be paying money into a system that has rewarded the generation that has ruined their own system and has put then country into the mess it is in and the youth will never see.

huntington3540 -- "I might be seen as a bitter old fart."

Not by me. I think you're not old at all. People, read #12.7 and see huntington for who he is. Take the second sentence: "So why are you entitled to the young people's money when YOUR generation put US into the debt problem? (the capitaliztion I added for emphasis)".

Now look at the last part, and pay special attention to the contradiction between the present and past tense: ".Yes, I have been paying money into social security for a long time and I like the idea that I can put money into a private fund and stop paying into social security for two reasons. First, I KNEW my money would be there in the future..."

So, the evidence shows that huntington is not retired, not over 55, probably not over 40. I won't go so far as to say that he is actually the 13 year old he mentions (in #12.10), but it is possible. I'm calling you out, huntington. You're no "bitter old fart" (#12.11). At most you're 35.

Oh, I forgot to add one thing. I agree with you that you are bitter. My advice to you is to open up your heart because you have a long life ahead and love makes everything a little better.

The trend has been for Payroll taxes to be reduced. The retirement social security benefits that you receive depends on how much you have contributed to your account over the years. If Payroll taxes go to zero, no contributions will be made to accounts, If contributions are not made to accounts then there will be no benefits. So if the current trend continues, Social Security will disappear.

CoinFL,

I would like to be 35 again, you are off by 8+ years, soon to be 9. You would not do well at guessing at ages or be a good gumshoe, but would be a great government employee.

My generation has not had enough time to as much damage as older generations (unless you include the president in my generation), but I sure that we will try, because people will continue to vote idoits in on both sides.

Love does not solve the problem. You sound like people I grew up with, they were going to live with just love, that lasted a few days. How nice it is to be young and innocent.

Also CoinFL, who can retire at 55 years of age, other than a sports star or government employee?

The United States is so far under water when it comes to unfunded liabilities there is simply no way to stop the bleeding. We are borrowing from the other economic powers record amounts, so when our financial system collapses it brings down everyone. That will get the US out from under the liabilities it has no hope of ever meeting, just more of the same, politicians making promises they have no hope of ever fulfilling. What will rise from the ashes is a global currency, and the IMF will control the global economy. It is not a question of if, but when the collapse will occur.

The trend has been to cut payroll taxes. I assume that everyone's potential benefits are being cut as well because ones benefits depend on how much money one puts into the system. If payroll taxes are cut altogether then benefits will decrease and eventually the system will end. I guess that this is the "no change" that the Vice President is saying will happen. I would think that this is an extreme far right approach that will get rid of social security altogether.

Will Haas,

The payroll employee contribution was reduced under the stimulus package in 2010. It put on average about $600. in a year in workers pockets. This is to expire on Dec 31.

Your SS payments is based on your gross income and the number of years you have been in the work force. Currently the FICA is 7.5%. contributed half by employer and employee.

You receive a statement from SS about two months before your birthday when your contributions history and estimate of your benefits when you reach 62, or full retirement age which is 66 and slowly going up to 67 years of age.

But the government keeps extending the reduction in payroll taxes. If the trend continues payroll taxes will go to zero, contributions will go to zero, and hence benefits will go to zero. The system is suppose to be self supportive.

We do care about are children which is exactly the point you dolt! Doing nothing will be the end of the program...do you even think before you type or are you just copying your talking points from your liberal voting handbook. Why must liberals keep Americans down?...it is their voting block that is why. Shameful.

The way things are going, it will not be long before the entire federal government is bankrupt. At that time all entitlement programs will end because the money will run out. Something has to be done to make the country solvent.

watt 75: But you can improve the program without doing away with it entirely as Ryan/Romney propose.

Why do you find it necessary to call me a name? I did not say anything that should have offended you to that degree. It really says more about you and your lack of insight than it does me.

A person of quality would apologize. Let's see what YOU are made of.

@newday

a person of quality would look at the situation and realize there will be nothing left for the kids, therefor something needs to be done. it seems like liberals are taking the position "as long as i've got mine.." by not doing anything. kicking the can down the road only assures that the program will either go bankrupt or require the largest tax increase of mankind on the generation after you.

but hey, its ok, you have yours so what does it matter if Brendan(age 26) ever gets any of his own money back.

thanks in advance, i appreciate your generosity to my own money

brendan, m'dear: that is a line you have been fed. You know the first time I heard that? When I was sixteen. I am almost 60. Here is the dirty truth about it. If you cap the costs, you go along way to solving the problem. If you do means testing, for example, there is no reason that someone like Mitt Romney should have Medicare, you also go a long way to solving the problem.

brendan: these people are not your friends. I have kids your age. THEY are the ones I am most concerned with. This isn't about Medicare, it is about a further direct funnel of treasury to the rich.

Let me point out to you, brendan. that a person of quality does not assume they know what the other person think. And, civility to one's elders is also required.

Feel better now, tough guy?

Biden sure does get the aryan nations...er...I mean...teabaggers in a tizzy, doesn't he.

Yeah yeah yeah about granny...but what about their children, grand children, and great grand children. All the left looks to is the votes NOW to further their agenda and not to what will become.

This country is run by pathetic politicians.

G.C.,

Mentally he's already gone.

Biden is to Obama what Qualye was to Bush #1

Too bad! He does try, bless his heart ;)

G.C. What do governments of other countries do when costs exceed income on social programmes? They raise premiums just like any free enterprise insurance company, that's what. The problem with the Gop agenda is that it reduces the earning capability and jobs of the people that pay the premiums, the majority of which are middle class earners. Romney is a classic example of bankrupting companies and outsourcing jobs and paying little or no taxes on the profit. Can't have it both ways, dumkoff, and you won't.

The answer is "yes".

Poor NoJo...so sad that you complain about "liberals" yet you supported Hillary...so sad that you berate union workers, yet you pull in a FAT teachers pension...

You do realize you have a mental defect, right?

Sure you do...

Stupid is a strong word, Davey. I'm sure the Administration, as with any other normal human, sees you and no jo for the low-information, brainwashed, thoughtless people that you are.

Rush is on...better go fill your tank!

Shock,

"low information"? Do you watch the news? Do you read the newspaper?

The entitlements that we paid for, out of our paychecks, that were promised back to us, when we retired, have reportedly been spent on other things and they are almost gone. How do you intend to replace them? Biden can't just waive his "moron wand" and gaurantee they will come back.

I'm not being thoughtless, I believe I am being pragmatic.

Oh, I don't like, or watch Limbaugh.

Good lord, davey...If you wish to be considered thoughtful and informed, please do not revisit an argument that was debated extensively more than a year ago. Social Security is not a trust fund. Read up on it a little, would you?

Obviously you did not get it then...and refuse to get it now. Perhaps stupid wasn't so strong of a word after all.

American Girl,

What does "PERIOD!" mean?

That you are going to march off of the lemming cliff with him, no matter what?

We're running out of money, Biden can't gaurantee shi!......

american girl is either stoned, drunk, naive, delusional, stupid or all of the above

TO: Dave D-1046643 who wrote:

"American Girl, What does: "Biden guarantees: 'There will be no changes in Social Security'" "PERIOD!" mean?..."

Who reads to you when I'm not around?

So who is paying? The system cannot sustain itself.

the dems lie, obozo lies, biden lies......if there was any honesty, obozo and biden would resign right now and spare us any more grief and bull@!$%#.....obozo and biden are low-life scumbags...

TO: Hard working Joe:

... Social Security ... is bankrupt ... Under Ryan's Medicare plan, beginning in immediately (10 minutes from now), those currently under age 55 will be cut off completely but will get a 50 cent voucher to buy their own health insurance and Republicans will keep all of the money that was deducted from all of Working Americans' paychecks which was designated to pay for their Medicare which money will be promptly handed over to the rich, to make them even richer."

This hardly guts Medicare as the Dems would have you believe.

Joe, you must have forgotten all the big lies Republicans told us last time they were in charge!

And I've noticed that Republicans have finally decided how to pay for that Lie Called the War in Iraq:

Paul Ryan will give even LARGER tax cuts to the rich. But the elderly, the poor, and working Americans will see TAX INCREASES between $1,300 to $6,000 additional in tax increases from OUR paychecks!

Not a chance baby! Fool us once, shame on you; fool us twice, you can't fool us twice!

Obama/Biden 2012

Kelly, the Republicans are not out to do a darn thing for you, EXCEPT steal your retirement money and health benefits, but only if you let them!

Just say NO! to GOP lies!

that's about as stupid as I've seen all day.

totally foolish.....

Since the wealthy collect SS the same as the middle class, the cap on the deduction from pay should be increased. As far as Biden's guarantee, nobody should make such a promise. I doubt he can keep it. Perhaps if Obama is in office for four more years it would happen, but not if Romney gets in. Republicans will skew everything to benefit the wealthy.

And we were told that they war in Iraq would be paid for by their oil.

No Andrew,

He's "gauranteeing it".