Biden: Nothing 'gutsy' about Ryan budget

DURHAM, N.C. --  In his first public appearance since Mitt Romney unveiled Paul Ryan as his running mate, Vice President Joe Biden lashed the new GOP ticket to the Bush administration and said that Ryan's budget makes the differences between Obama and his Republican rivals even more stark.

"Congressman Ryan has given definition to the vague commitments that Romney's been making," Biden said of Ryan's controversial budget proposition during a Monday speech at the Durham Armory.

Calling his Republican counterpart a "good guy," Biden took issue with those who call the Ryan budget, which would fundamentally overhaul entitlement programs, a "gutsy" proposition.

"What's gutsy about giving millionaires another tax break? "What's gutsy about gutting Medicare, Medicaid, education?" Biden asked. "They talked about what they're proposing as new. Folks, this is only not new, it's not fair."

Met by cheers from the audience of several hundred, the vice president predicted that the American people will reject the Romney-Ryan effort "to impose on the American people what the Republican congress has been preaching."

Biden, on the first stop of a three-day swing through battleground states North Carolina and Virginia, argued that Ryan's voting record served as yet another GOP rubber stamp for decisions that led to the 2008 financial crisis.

"How do they think we got in this mess in the first place?" he asked. "As my little granddaughter would say, was it Casper the ghost who came along and did this? Who did it?"

The remarks tee up a new role for the vice president as one of the Obama campaign's strongest counterweights to Ryan's plan to overhaul entitlements, a measure that Democrats hope will be devastatingly unpopular for the GOP ticket in retiree-heavy states like Arizona and Florida.

Twenty-seven years separate Biden, who is known to enjoy watergun fights with his bevy of grandkids, and Ryan, a father of three children still years shy of their learners' permits.

Biden, one of the youngest senators in U.S. history, joined the ranks of Congress just weeks before Ryan's third birthday.

The vice president drew one biographical similarity between himself and the young congressman -- noting that both commonly quote their fathers.

"I'm glad to see that Congressman Ryan likes his dad too, quotes his dad." Biden noted. "I mean that sincerely."

Ryan's father died of cancer when he was a teenager.

Biden's trip also served as an organizing tool for Obama staff in North Carolina. Supporters who volunteer three times for a total of nine hours will receive a guaranteed credential for the president's convention speech, organizers announced at the start of the event.  

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"What's gutsy about giving millionaires another tax break?

You tell them Joe!

While trying to balance the budget off the backs of the middle class, disadvantaged, senior, students etc...

Little Eddie Munster isn't going to know what hit him! ;o)

Paulie should stick to naming Post Offices!

  • 26 votes
#1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:32 PM EDT
the rightyDeleted

Hey, the righty . . . .

Romney has a record on which to run

What exactly IS that record???? Romney's sure not talking about how he ran the State of MA - remember that little thing he got up and going ... Romneycare? He's not talking about Bain, or the Olympics ... The only thing Mitt does TALK about is Mitt as campaigning seems to be all he's done for what the past 7 - 8 years? And he's pretty lousy at that as well (as the poor thing has only been elected once and was bypassed as a VP selection the last time around . . . )

  • 20 votes
#1.2 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

I hear Ryan (sic Brian) is being heckled in Iowa,...

Wonder how long before he goes up with the entrance fees and loyalty pledges?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61454.html

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Another Right Wing Social Engineer who is against FREE speech! I swear we can't make this stuff up.

As true Blue Liberals,...we should all keep them in loaded guns if they're going to continue to shoot themselves in the feet, right?

  • 18 votes
#1.3 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

"What's gutsy about giving millionaires another tax break? "What's gutsy about gutting Medicare, Medicaid, education?" Biden asked. "They talked about what they're proposing as new. Folks, this is only not new, it's not fair."

You go Joe! How long have we been saying that the word "bold" is code for crazy talk? Paul Ryan's budget plan has been deemed "not serious."

Many in the Tea Party don't like Ryan because; 1) he is a Washington insider, 2) he rubber-stamped all the spending during Dubya, and 3) his plan doesn't balance the budget for 23 years.

Come on people, really, seriously? Anyone proposing to *end Medicare as we know it* in order to give even more tax breaks to the rich is immoral, let alone bold meaning crazy.

the righty -- What did you do, use Glenn Beck's "guilt by association" chalkboard to link VP Biden to the DO NOTHING CONGRESS?

The Teapublicans with premeditated obstruction even of their own bills or ideas, which has been documented in a book, and now Republican whistle blowers leaving the GOP/TP because they are tired of being forced to vote lock-step against any progress? Throw the Teapublican anarchists out!

  • 17 votes
#1.4 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:46 PM EDT
the rightyDeleted

So, Ryan is getting a 'crash' course in foreign policy from Dan Senor (former Bushie)......gotta cram for the exam Ryan?

Biden will have so much fun with Mr. Marvelous!

  • 15 votes
#1.6 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:50 PM EDT

Obama can NOT run on his sorry record!!

[I]f you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from." That is what Barack Obama said when he accepted his party's presidential nomination in 2008. Four years later, it reads like a prophetic description of his re-election campaign.
See story in washingtonexaminer.com

  • 8 votes
#1.7 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

The fact remains that Obama has absolutely NOTHING to run with for a campaign because his entire 1st term is a miserable failure

Righty -

Whatzamatta, Obama isn't cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough to suit you. It doesn't work that way. And with Tea-Baggers the likes of Ryan deliberately stalling progress, it does take a long time.....

  • 18 votes
#1.8 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

Stealing 700 billion dollars from medicare for Obamacare...

Now that's gutsy!!

Wait until the seniors in Florida find out about that!!

  • 9 votes
#1.9 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

border joe -- The president's record of creating more jobs so far in his first term than Dubya did during both his terms combined is pretty solid -- But the president doesn't have to run on the economy and unemployment rates because Romney/Ryan have such poor records in comparison...

So now the election is a CHOICE between the failed GOP/Bush-era policies--on steroids VS moving forward with the improvements we are seeing, and by giving the president a congress that will work together and work with him, we can speed up that recovery.

This VP pick just opened up the race in Republican-leaning states and districts all the way down the line to dog catcher. A lot of rightwing seniors--especially if they are bigoted Haters--will stick with whoever has an 'R' next to his/her name -- But the 50/50 split among seniors is going to tilt to reelection of the president and Dems now.

Save Social Security & Medicare -- Obama/Biden - 2012!

  • 14 votes
#1.10 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:03 PM EDT

[Stealing 700 billion dollars from medicare forObamacare]

Poor Maxx...so clueless and out of touch...but you go ahead and vote for Romney/Ryan...they do love you, after all.

  • 13 votes
#1.11 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

There's nuts on his chin teabaggin GT fornicating elephants. why does Ryan's plan have to be gutsy? Biden is a lawn gnome

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

Chilled---a cram course in foreign policy from someone from the Bush administration? Really? They have to be making this up.

  • 13 votes
#1.13 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

Steeler - I can understand why you think that since they make everything up!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 13 votes
#1.14 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

Your a fool Mickey, NY...

From the Weekly Standard

By DANIEL HALPER

"Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter defended President Obama's $700 billion cuts to Medicare"

Talk about clueless...

Pathetic just pathetic!!

  • 7 votes
#1.15 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

Chilled---

a cram course in foreign policy from someone from the Bush administration? Really? They have to be making this up.

Yup, Steeler....Kinda reminds me of Mama Grizzly as they tried to cram info, intelligence and policy into her brain!

We've seen this act before!

We all know how that worked out....

  • 8 votes
#1.16 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

Maxx Power -- Try to keep up, we've already covered your BS many times. I don't know if you have a reading and comprehension problem or are just a *swoop and poop* troll, but ignorance of the facts is inexcusable either way.

  • 8 votes
#1.17 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

Joe you're a bigmouth and you know nothing about guts. Sorry.

Raising the tax rate from the 28% average that it is now to 35% as proposed by Obama for people earning upwards of $250K solves two percent of the budget deficit at the cost of, say, a million jobs, hypothetically. Nobody knows for sure, but history and common sense indicate an adverse effect of raising taxes being directly proportional to loss of jobs. We already know raising taxes drive jobs offshore, for example.

Even if out of the goodness of heart not one high earner so taxed would lay anybody off, there is no plan to raise the other 98%. Joe, where's the rest of the plan?

Meanwhile the President categorically has raised the salaries of White House staff by 6%, people who already have been earning hundreds of thousands.

  • 6 votes
#1.18 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:15 PM EDT

The Romney campaign is looking to fill in his foreign policy for him, assigning Dan Senor to him, Maggie Haberman reports.

Fill-in-the-blanks.....Dubya/Cheney Doctrine!

  • 7 votes
#1.19 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

Scott - as in the past, raising the tax on the upper 1% DOES NOT cost anyone jobs - and lowering it doesn't create jobs! Just a GOP fallacy!

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 7 votes
#1.20 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:41 PM EDT

Yeah,

The Ryan budget is not Gutsy,

The Ryan budget is just 'nutsy'

  • 8 votes
#1.21 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:48 PM EDT

It's this debate I can't wait to watch. Biden's going to put Eddie Munster the hypocrite in his corner.

Like Bart Scott Can't. Wait! :)

  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:22 PM EDT

jjjjj

    #1.23 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:38 AM EDT

    True said,

    " but ignorance of the facts is inexcusable either way."

    The fact is True you can't defend the fact Obamacare steals $700 billion from seniors...

    Rachel Madcow got her a-s handed to her on the Sunday talk show trying to defend the administrations stealing of $700 billion dollar from medicare...

    Instead of defending the administration the best you could come up with was... "are just a *swoop and poop* troll"

    What a intellectual lightweight... You're pathetic just pathetic!!

    • 4 votes
    #1.24 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:04 AM EDT

    There is no 700 billion taken from Medicare- this is a right wing LIE:

    FROM: www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/08/11/fact_check_questionable_claims_in_veep_debut/

    Romney and Ryan now realize that the voters have their number. So they are desperate to spin this outrageous plan as "bipartisan" (only one Democrat has ever cooperated with Ryan, and he ended up disowning and voting against the final plan!). They are also lying about Obama taking $700 billion from Medicare (Obama's plan actually saves $700 billion by controlling costs and eliminating waste).

    ROMNEY: "Unlike the current president, who has cut Medicare funding by $700 billion, we will preserve and protect Medicare and Social Security and keep them there for future generations."

    THE FACTS: You could fill an arena with all the details left out in this statement. Ryan's reputation as a fiscal conservative is built on a budget plan that would overhaul the Medicare program and introduce a voucher-like plan that future retirees could use to buy private health insurance. Whether that results in a better or worse situation for Medicare recipients is a matter of debate. But under Ryan's plan, traditional Medicare would no longer be the health insurance mainstay, just one of many competing options.

    • 5 votes
    #1.25 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

    FZknew said,

    "There is no 700 billion taken from Medicare- this is a right wing LIE:"

    If you beleive this to be a "right wing lie" then you need to tell the CBO and Rachel Madcow who had her a-s handed to her over this issue on a Sunday talk show... ha ha ha !!

    From an Article

    By Alyene Senger

    August 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Last week, a new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report updated the amount of money Obamacare robs out of Medicare from $500 billion to a whopping $716 billion between 2013 and 2022.

    According to the CBO, the payment cuts in Medicare include:

    • A $260 billion payment cut for hospital services.
    • A $39 billion payment cut for skilled nursing services.
    • A $17 billion payment cut for hospice services.
    • A $66 billion payment cut for home health services.
    • A $33 billion payment cut for all other services.
    • A $156 billion cut in payment rates in Medicare Advantage (MA); $156 billion is before considering interactions with other provisions. The House Ways and Means Committee was able to include interactions with other provisions, estimating the cuts to MA to be even higher, coming in at $308 billion.
    • $56 billion in cuts for disproportionate share hospital (DSH) payments.* DSH payments go to hospitals that serve a large number of low-income patients.
    • $114 billion in other provisions pertaining to Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP* (does not include coverage-related provisions).

    *Subtract $25 billion total between DSH payments and other provisions for spending that was cut from Medicaid and CHIP.

    In total, Obamacare raids Medicare by $716 billion from 2013 to 2022. Despite Medicare facing a 75-year unfunded obligation of $37 trillion, Obamacare uses the savings from the cuts to pay for otherprovisions in Obamacare, not to help shore up Medicare's finances.

    The impact of these cuts will be detrimental to seniors' access to care. The Medicare trustees 2012 report concludes that these lower Medicare payment rates will cause an estimated 15 percent of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, and home health agencies to operate at a loss by 2019, 25 percent to operate at a loss in 2030, and 40 percent by 2050. Operating at a loss means these facilities are likely to cut back their services to Medicare patients or close their doors, making it more difficult for seniors to access these services.

    It's pretty obvious that the seniors will take a huge hit under Obamacare and it's also obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about!!

    • 2 votes
    #1.26 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

    FZknew... here's a little more "right wing lies" for your reading pleasure!!

    From an Article in Forbes,

    by Avik Roy

    According to the latest estimates from the Congressional Budget Office, Obamacare will reduce Medicare spending by $716 billion between 2013 and 2022, relative to prior law. These cuts directly affect current retirees. By contrast, both the Romney and Wyden-Ryan plans only affect retirees younger than 55. In other words, for better or worse, President Obama cuts Medicare more than Romney would.

    Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about!!

      #1.27 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:03 AM EDT

      Apparently, there are more than two sides to every story!:

      FROM:

      On 'Obama cuts $700 billion from Medicare'
      · Prebuttal: The claim that OBAMACARE cuts $700 BILLION from Medicare is TRUE and the GOOD NEWS is that in doing so, it INCREASES HEALTHCARE FOR SENIORS while AT THE SAME TIME cuts fraud, WASTE and abuse. President Obama and the Democrats found those EFFICIENCIES that Republicans have been looking for for over 20 years.

      The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office determined that the Medicare provisions in President Obama's health care law would save $700 BILLION over a decade and EXTENDS THE LIFE OF MEDICARE.

      GOP Talking Point: Mitt Romney also laid out commonsense reforms that will make good on our promises to today’s seniors and save Social Security and Medicare for future generations.

      Rebuttal: The ROMNEY-RYAN plan takes $700 BILLION AWAY FROM SENIORS but does NOT use it to fund HEALTH SERVICES for ANYBODY. Yet Republicans in the House voted to strip that $700 BILLION FROM SENIORS ENTIRELY. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates under the ROMNEY-RYAN plan, new Medicare beneficiaries will pay more than $1,200 OUT OF POCKET by 2030 and more than $5,900 more by 2050 and SHIFT ADDITIONAL COSTS to seniors by RAISING the eligibility age to 67. This NEGATIVELY impacts today's middle-aged, middle class HARD WORKING Americans while giving the wealthiest 1-percent HUGE TAX BREAKS.

      FROM: www.cbo.gov/publication/43080

      • 5 votes
      #1.28 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:49 AM EDT

      TO: the righty who wrote:

      "So said Joe Biden..... from a do nothing VP..."

      Hold on there! Republicans sent a bunch of Teagaggers to Washington last November for the specific purpose of NOT doing anything, now you condemn someone for "not" doing anything? (Or were Republicans supposed to do JOBS JOBS JOBS, and then gridlock? Whatever!)

      Man-o-man, Republicans sure are fickle. Everytime the wind blows, they change their mind again.

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 5 votes
      #1.29 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:37 PM EDT

      I guess it's pretty gutsy for Paul Ryan to propose privatization of Social security after the Wall Street meltdown, and then to keep proposing it with less severity in each version, and still not getting a clue that no one supports his determinism. Go away already.

      FZknew -- Exactly. Paul Ryan's plan not only keeps the Medicare savings in ACA, he takes that savings and instead of rolling it back into benefits for folks the way President Obama has, he uses it to cut taxes for the rich! As if ending Medicare via rationed vouchers isn't bad enough, the Audacity of Dopes actually LIE about this.

      The Robber Barons aren't in it for you.

      • 1 vote
      #1.30 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

      oh, you mean THIS Alyene Senger - who writes a blog post for the Heritage Foundation:

      http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/s/alyene-senger

      yeah, I'll get right on that source.

      PS. I am guessing that some of the WASTE that will be cut would be akin to the type of fraud that Rick Scott (Florida Governor and Crook Extraordinaire) bilked out to the tune of over a BILLION dollars!

      http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-05-20/news/fl-rick-scott-governor-hca-20100520_1_medicare-fraud-case-hospitals-in-el-paso-hospital-giant-columbia

      Funny thing about deregulation,...it seems to TRICKLE up,...those poor pitiful millionaires. Whatever will they do without their bought and paid for government?

      • 1 vote
      #1.31 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:31 PM EDT
      Reply

      The Ryan Plan: more breaks at the top, more burdens in the middle. More spending on the military, less spending on everything else. Yeah, a total "genius" this buffon is.

      • 18 votes
      Reply#2 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

      Yeh, deciding to lower the top rate a full 10 points down from 35% to 25%, you have to be a rocket scientist to come up with that. And only a whiz could require 23 years to balance a budget. Ryan's a buffoon, and a hideous immoral one too -- Using his religion as the reason to attack the poor, sick, and elderly -- Wow just wow.

      The real wonks make fun of Paul Ryan. They know he's just a 1% zealot that the Teapublicans got behind because the rest of them are even more incapable of coming up with a plan. Pathetic, all of them.

      • 10 votes
      #2.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

      It seems the selection of Paul Ryan as Mitt Romney’s running mate has already had an impact on the Obama administration. Anonymous sources with close ties to Senator Harry Reid have confirmed that Vice President Biden soiled his boxers when informed he would have to engage Ryan in the Vice Presidential debate. Apparently Biden’s aides were overcome when they detected the odor of real sh!t instead of his usual bullsh!t.

      The sources further confirmed that when President Obama was informed of the mishap he immediately ordered the release of emergency stimulus funds to finance the expansion of laundromats and cleaners all across America in anticipation of the uncontrollable bowel movements liberals will succumb to as they witness the demise of their socialist dreams during the next three months.

      • 3 votes
      #2.2 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

      timothy - what a joke. Biden can and will walk circles around little Paul. It's gonna be fun to watch!

      Obama/Biden 2012

      • 7 votes
      #2.3 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:42 PM EDT

      Guess we'll we'll see insanity. Loser cleans up the sh!t left on the floor. You game?

      • 3 votes
      #2.4 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:50 PM EDT

      I'll be right next to SS and tossing you a toothbrush, timothy. What a friggin' joke ...

      already had an impact on the Obama administration.

      In your dreams

      • 3 votes
      #2.5 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:00 AM EDT

      ObamaDontCare cuts $$700 Billion from Medicare!!!

      And is still the largest TAX increase in World History!!

      • 1 vote
      #2.6 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:00 PM EDT

      border, that made a lot of no sense, read the article, duh.

      Obama 2012

        #2.7 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:54 PM EDT

        Hey Layton, you seem to assume that bite me can manage to extract his foot from his mouth long enough to debate. Seems like a HUGE leap of faith to me! Either way I win. Keep that toothbrush handy, there's gonna be alot of bite me @!$%# on the floor!

          #2.8 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:03 PM EDT
          Reply

          I beg to differ with the VP. It is kind of gutsy to throw grandma out of her wheelchair. It's gutsy because normal people want to beat the crap out of you!!

          • 15 votes
          Reply#3 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

          Good point---it is gutsy to take on seniors and those over 50 who have been paying into Medicare for DECADES and tell them they're going to get a voucher so you can privatize Medicare and lower taxes on the 1%.

          • 12 votes
          #3.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

          steeler, its always gutsy to vilify the elderly and poor, republican right wingers do it all day long.

          Obama 2012

          • 1 vote
          #3.2 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:56 PM EDT
          Reply

          Thank you Vice President Biden. Truer words were never spoken! The Ryan clown isn't going to know what hit him.

          However, VP Biden, thank you for keeping it classy! You're terrific!

          Obama/Biden 2012

          • 15 votes
          Reply#4 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

          SeekingSanity, who writes,

          Thank you Vice President Biden. Truer words were never spoken! The Ryan clown isn't going to know what hit him.

          However, VP Biden, thank you for keeping it classy! You're terrific!

          How can you come up with lines like the above. Do you think that Uncle Joe cares a hoot about childish comments like yours.

          Oh, yes and then you say that I'm irrational. How childish and classic.

          Thank you VP Biden for being a millionaire and given less to the poor than I do. I think your hair plugs are affecting your thinking.

          All that Joe is doing is nothing more than what you attack dogs do for that Beisty Feisty read head gangster form Chicago. Thank God that she is on my left.

          • 7 votes
          #4.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

          Concern Citizen

          Thank God that she is on my left.

          Honey everyone is on your left.

          • 10 votes
          #4.2 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

          Concern, you're always good for a chuckle, but Biden is one of the few out of the Senate that isn't a millionaire.

          • 11 votes
          #4.3 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

          I couldn't help myself. I just needed a giggle ...

          Thank you VP Biden for being a millionaire and given less to the poor than I do

          And you would know that HOW Concern? Oh, that's right because Joe Biden actually RELEASES his returns for review! I don't know how the 379 K qualifies him as a millionaire nor do I see much in the way of dividends. But then again, math and logic really aren't your strong suits.

          • 10 votes
          #4.4 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

          blackcat - thank you!

          Concern - I am thrilled you don't agree with me. If you did, I would know I had sunk into the gutter with you! And, I'd know I had completely lost my mind - like you. And, that I have no values - like you! I think you get my drift. So glad I'm not like you!

          Layton - Concern HAS no strong suits!

          Obama/Biden 2012

          • 10 votes
          #4.5 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

          Honey everyone is on your left.

          LOL!

          That broad is so stupid it's painful!

          Romney/Brian 2012! lmfao

          Oh, that's right because Joe Biden actually RELEASES his returns for review

          Not that Ms. NumbNuts will understand, but Joe Biden is one of the poorest members in Congress...

          Is brake time over yet?

          • 10 votes
          #4.6 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:34 PM EDT

          Feisty - and she's always so eager to show how stupid she is! Amazing!

          Obama/Biden 2012

          • 7 votes
          #4.7 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

          because the above two posters are the epitome of mature LOL

          • 4 votes
          #4.8 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:46 PM EDT

          Feisty - and she's always so eager to show how stupid she is

          Seriously, Seeking - I have seen my share of DumbFux over my years here at First Read, but this one takes the cake!

          • 4 votes
          #4.9 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:58 PM EDT

          I have seen my share of DumbFux over my years here at First Read

          it says while looking in the mirror

          • 5 votes
          #4.10 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:06 PM EDT
          Reply

          What does the second moron know about 'gutsy' or a 'budget'?

          • 6 votes
          Reply#5 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

          trouble - it is not nice to refer to Ryan as a moron - but yes, he is!

          • 7 votes
          #5.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:18 PM EDT
          Reply
          the rightyDeleted

          "I don't think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering. I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate."

          "I, I think that, I think, I think that that is too big a jump."

          - Newt Gingrich on Paul Ryan's budget, Meet The Press, 5/15/2011

          • 9 votes
          Reply#7 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

          Obama can NOT run on his sorry record!!

          [I]f you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from." That is what Barack Obama said when he accepted his party's presidential nomination in 2008. Four years later, it reads like a prophetic description of his re-election campaign.
          See story in washingtonexaminer.com

          • 4 votes
          #7.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

          Border, Bin Laden is dead!

          Obama 2012

            #7.2 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:02 PM EDT
            Reply

            I think Ryan's Dad died of a heart attack, not cancer, no?

            In any case, it's ironic Paul Ryan paid for his college tuition with his father's social security death benefits, and now he wants to cut back federal aide to today's middleclass students.

            • 13 votes
            Reply#8 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

            Typical TeaPeople hypocricy, Amy!

            I got mine, and I'll make sure you never get anything from the same Government that I used for benefit!

            • 12 votes
            #8.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

            Amy - What a stupid remark. So he used his father's social security death benefits for college, what's the big deal. It was better than getting government loans and grants. Federal aid for todays students is out of hand, the student loans amount to around one trillion dollars. It is a well known fact that college costs go up because the schools know the government will increase student loans.

            I like the fact that Paul Ryan and Romney want to rewrite the tax laws, eliminate subsidies and close loop holes (used mostly by the 1%ers). My God have you seen the reports from the IRS about the millions of dollars paid out to bogus people and thousands of returns being sent refund checks, all to the same addresses. Read the damn GAO Reports that have identified billions in waste, fraud, duplication programs and over payments. There is so much waste and unnecessary spending in Washington that needs to be curbed. Obama keeps asking for more programs, more spending and raising taxes to try and pay for it. CLEAN UP WASHINGTON FIRST, and I mean by both parties.

            • 4 votes
            #8.2 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

            you mean like affirmative action man Obama. How did he get into college? selling dope? Foreign student? Grants? NAACP? Do you even know amy?

            • 5 votes
            #8.3 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

            Caesar - He was admitted to college on his grades and he paid off his students loans during his first year in college. The rest, like it has been for all Presidents, is none of your damned business!

            Obama/Biden 2012

            • 9 votes
            #8.4 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:28 PM EDT

            it isnt my business? but tax returns are? sure seeking. btw show me where he worked off his student loans. the guy has never had a job.

            • 4 votes
            #8.5 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:39 PM EDT

            SS,

            He paid off all his student loans the first year in college?

            • 2 votes
            #8.6 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:43 PM EDT

            Caesar - you're a lying moron. EVERY Presidential candidate in our lifetime has shown at least 5 years of tax returns - except Mitts who has not even shown one full year. Again, the rest is none of your damned business.

            He was an attorney and was a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago. I realize this is a little hard for you to understand but those are JOBS!

            thetotas - my bad. I typed too fast. He and Michelle paid off their student loans their first year in the White House!

            Obama/Biden 2012

            • 8 votes
            #8.7 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:47 PM EDT

            thats BS seeking, the guy was a millionaire before his first year in the white house. something like six mil and only then paying off his loans.. he held a JD, and I seriously doubt his professor'dom' of constitutional law unless he 'taught' how to circumvent it.

            it wasnt a typo at all, you just got punked and now you're 'evolving'

            • 4 votes
            #8.8 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

            Caesar - you should actually know something before you post. He became a millionaire after selling his books - after becoming President! You really are stupid to post when you know nothing.

            He was a practicing attorney and a professor of constitutional law at University of Chicago!

            No, I made a mistake and I admitted it - unlike you who just continue to post mistake after mistake and are too damned stupid to fess up!

            Obama/Biden 2012

            • 5 votes
            #8.9 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:46 PM EDT

            seeking, that is simply not true. Dreams of my Father 1995 Audacity of Hope 1996.

            and im stupid, care to admit who's stupid now honors one.

            what firm by the way?

            • 3 votes
            #8.10 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:50 PM EDT

            and your point, he made money on his books, which only sold well after he was nominated, so what. Average medium income for senators is $13,000,000, Joe Biden is one of the least wealthy. So go peddle your rhetoric somewhere else.

            Obama 2012

            • 1 vote
            #8.11 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:07 PM EDT
            Reply

            Ryan wants to continue the government handouts to the oil companies

            I wonder why the article didn't mention that Ryan voted for more than $40 billion in oil industry subsidies.

            After all, Ryan “and his wife, Janna, own stakes in four family companies that lease land in Texas and Oklahoma to the very energy companies that benefit from the tax subsidies in Ryan’s budget plan,” the Daily Beast reported in June of 2011. “Ryan’s father-in-law, Daniel Little, who runs the companies, told Newsweek and The Daily Beast that the family companies are currently leasing the land for mining and drilling to energy giants such as Chesapeake Energy, Devon, and XTO Energy, a recently acquired subsidiary of ExxonMobil.”

            • 12 votes
            Reply#9 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:56 PM EDT
            ContemptMeDeleted

            Contemptable - things people should know about Ryans plans.

            He co-sponsored a radical "personhood" bill that could have banned the birth control pill, in vitro fertilization, and all abortions -- even in cases of rape or incest. What's more? He wants to allow states to criminally prosecute women who choose to have abortions and the doctors who perform them.

            He wants to defund Planned Parenthood. He wants to cut SNAP grants by 18% which would leave approximately 3.9 million Americans from support and into poverty - approximately the population of Oregon. And, it would cut 174,000 jobs.

            Oh yeah - this is just what the country needs!

            Obama/Biden 2012


            • 9 votes
            #9.2 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:27 PM EDT
            ContemptMeDeleted

            FROM:

            On 'Obama cuts $700 billion from Medicare'
            · Prebuttal: The claim that OBAMACARE cuts $700 BILLION from Medicare is TRUE and the

            GOOD NEWS is that in doing so, it INCREASES HEALTHCARE FOR SENIORS while AT THE SAME TIME

            cuts fraud, WASTE and abuse. President Obama and the Democrats found those EFFICIENCIES

            that Republicans have been looking for for over 20 years.

            The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office determined that the Medicare provisions in

            President Obama's health care law would save $700 BILLION over a decade and EXTENDS THE

            LIFE OF MEDICARE.

            GOP TP: Mitt Romney also laid out commonsense reforms that will make good on our promises

            to today’s seniors and save Social Security and Medicare for future generations.

            Rebuttal: The ROMNEY-RYAN plan takes $700 BILLION AWAY FROM SENIORS but does NOT use it

            to fund HEALTH SERVICES for ANYBODY. Yet Republicans in the House voted to strip that

            $700 BILLION FROM SENIORS ENTIRELY. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates

            under the ROMNEY-RYAN plan, new Medicare beneficiaries will pay more than $1,200 OUT OF

            POCKET by 2030 and more than $5,900 more by 2050 and SHIFT ADDITIONAL COSTS to seniors by

            RAISING the eligibility age to 67. This NEGATIVELY impacts today's middle-aged, middle

            class HARD WORKING Americans while giving the wealthiest 1-percent HUGE TAX BREAKS.

            • 4 votes
            #9.4 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:59 AM EDT

            citation for #9.4= mksinsa.blogspot.com/p/slaying-zombie-romney-lies-part-ii.html

            the cbo links: www.cbo.gov/publication/43080

            www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage%20Estimates.pdf (Caution 12 page pdf)

            • 1 vote
            #9.5 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:52 AM EDT
            Reply

            I am still waiting for the Democrats to say what their plan is for Medicare, but I doubt if they have one since all they can do is run against a Budget proposal that will not and can not be passed with changes regardless of who wins the Presidential election. BTW, which Ryan Plan are the Democrats arguing against the 2011 or 2012?

            Obama can't run on his failed economic and energy plans nor does he even have a foreign policy to run on. That is why you will see the Democrats run the most divisive, dirtiest, and hateful campaign.

            • 6 votes
            #10 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

            hey sarge, what do you expect. economy = obamabane

            • 4 votes
            #10.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

            [I am still waiting for the Democrats to say what their plan is for Medicare...]

            Uhm, wrong again, "sarge"...everyone's still waiting for you to figure out what constitutes a "super-majority"...but you're too preoccupied with what's in everyones' profile...

            "sarge", for someone who is probably in their 70's, you haven't seen much daylight, have you...

            Now go back to watching reruns of "Matlock"...

            • 9 votes
            #10.2 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

            yeah burning man. That says it all right there. Real worldly and in touch.

            • 3 votes
            #10.3 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

            Now go back to watching reruns of "Matlock"...

            While discreetly ordering his catheters & erectile enhancement cream from the Liberty-Medical supplies... ;o)

            • 9 votes
            #10.4 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

            well looky looky the antidote to viagra showed up

            • 3 votes
            #10.5 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:17 PM EDT

            Feisty, love your wit!

            My husband made an interesting observation today. He and his father pay the same amount for Medicare - it is taken directly out of their Social Security benefit. My husband is semi-retired - can still work - but his 88 year old father can't. He said he would gladly pay more for his Medicare if his dad's premium could be reduced, but NOT at the expense of giving the 1%ers a big tax break.

            • 7 votes
            #10.6 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

            [yeah burning man. That says it all right there. Real worldly and in touch.]

            I'd say it was in the top ten best experiences of my life...you shoud try it, that's if your mommy will let you go to a sleepover...you haven't lived until you've been to Burning Man...

            • 4 votes
            #10.7 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

            Feisty, love your wit!

            Thanks Diane, I also enjoy your strong liberal voice and take no crap attitude! ☺

            NOT at the expense of giving the 1%ers a big tax break.

            What part of 30+ years of peeing on our leg and telling us it's raining don't these clowns comprehend?

            Trickle down economics DOES NOT WORK!

            • 7 votes
            #10.8 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:00 PM EDT

            When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald
            the end of the republic.

            • 1 vote
            #10.9 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:20 PM EDT

            Mickey NY - I see you still have your head up your ass. Real class answer BTW which means you can't speak to or even know what plan the Democrats have. Further I have seen a lot more daylight than you have. BTW, even if Obama gets reelected he still won't be able to pass his liberal money spending programs because the Republicans will control the Senate and House, and since you agree he can't govern without a "super majority" he will just go on more tax payer vacations.

            Feisty - I see you haven't gotten laid for sometime. Maybe if you get out of your mother's basement, take a shower, loose 100 lbs or more and get a face lift someone might give you a try, but I doubt it.

            • 2 votes
            #10.10 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:46 PM EDT

            Feisty - I see you haven't gotten laid for sometime. Maybe if you get out of your mother's basement, take a shower, loose 100 lbs or more and get a face lift someone might give you a try, but I doubt it.

            Hey Gomer!

            Thanks for the projection(s)... shame an old goat like you couldn't get lucky in a whorehouse with a fist full of singles...

            Pecker cream or not!

            Don't talk to me about getting laid & go back to stroking yourself over your sticky pages of your 1970's Playboys! ;o)

            • 3 votes
            #10.11 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:29 PM EDT

            Feisty - You should seem to know a lot about those sex creams. If must be that you use them on your masturbating toys because you sure aren't getting laid, but keep hoping, Mickey NY might be visiting you soon, if you take my advice in my previous post.

            • 3 votes
            #10.12 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:38 PM EDT

            Feisty - You should seem to know a lot about those sex creams.

            Like I said Gomer.... keep on wiping YOUR your chin!

            The rest of us... have moved on fron your drivel!

            • 1 vote
            #10.13 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:07 PM EDT

            Gee, "sarge"...I seem to have struck a nerve again...and what's with your infatuation with my ass and Feisty's toys...got someting you want to share?

            Anyhooo...for someone in their 70's you have no freaking idea which side your bread is buttered on, do you...you collect Social Security? You use Medicare? You have a prescription plan? You get healthcare of some kind? You have grandkids?

            You can kiss that @!$%# goodbye for you AND your grandkids if Ryan/Romney get elected...but you love voting against your best interests, right?

            Sure you do...you've been doing it all your life.

            They will throw you under the bus, and not look back. I hope you like cat food, "sarge"...i'm sure it tastes just like K-rations.

            • 3 votes
            #10.14 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:23 PM EDT

            Mickey NY - Still can't get your head out of your ass. I know exactly which side my bread is buttered on. It is apparent you don't, but then I assume you are on the government dole, either welfare, unemployment or mental disability. I am not worried about my SS, or Medicare or prescription plan, and I am not worried about my children or grandchildren except if Obama get reelected. But I have faith in the American people to see that Obama is a complete failure (even with a "super majority").

            Now, TELL ME WHAT IS OBAMA'S AND THE DEMOCRATS PLAN TO SAVE MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY? I keep asking those on the left but all they can do is deflect and ridicule the Ryan plan. BTW, you do know even if Romney/Ryan are elected, the Democrats could still stop the so called Ryan Budget, besides Ryan won't be in the House so he can't write a budget, but I guess you left wingers never figured that out. When the Republicans take control of the Senate and retain the House, Obama will either move to the right, leaving all you left wingers under the bus.

            • 3 votes
            #10.15 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:34 PM EDT

            Interesting you point out something mst people haven't paid attention to yet:

            Paul Ryan did not take his name off the ballot in his congressional disctrict. In November, he will be on the Presidential ticket with Romney, AND also on the ballot in his congressional district. This gives him a chance to not only NOT be The VP but not be a congressman if someone in his district could beat him in the election.

            FROM: www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/ryan-would-be-able-to-stay-on-ballot-for-reelection-d36f2o1-165826096.html

            Ryan, of Janesville, can run both for vice president and for re-election to Congress thanks to a 1968 law that permits a candidate to be on the ballot twice, but only if he or she is running for president or vice president.

            Ryan faces Democrat Rob Zerban of Kenosha in November.

            • 2 votes
            #10.16 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:07 AM EDT

            So you have a problem with Ryan still running for Congress but I'm sure you didn't question John Kerry or john Edward when they didn't give up their seats while they ran for President and Vice President on the taxpayers dime. Hypocrite

              #10.17 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:54 PM EDT

              Feisty, Whoo Hoo, great as usual. Thanks.

              gide, ryan doesn't want to admit romney might be a loosing proposition, insurance you might say.

              Obama 2012

              • 1 vote
              #10.18 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:16 PM EDT
              Reply

              Hello Dems and fellow Indys . @ Amy its just another case of I GOT MINE Fook You .

              • 8 votes
              Reply#11 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

              Someone should tell Biden that there's nothing gutsy about no plan either.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#12 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

              By da Way…….Did any of these Republican TeaBilly Conservative Politicians Vote to Repeal their Own Socialist Healthcare that they Receive.? You know…………da one that that Covers them and their Families (Including Birth Control) all paid for by Our Tax $$$$$$$$.

              I hear Crickets Chirping……

              Lets break this down in simple terms. Republican TeaBilly Conservative = Self Righteous Hypocrite.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#13 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

              Posted by dls 37641 Excellent List and Explains da Evil Agenda from da Republican TeaBilly Conservatives.

              The Kind of Men who support Mitt “F da Poor “ Romney and Paul “Middle Class Warfare” Ryan.

              1) William Koch, Runs Oxbow Carbon, worth $4 Billion, Donation $2 Million to Romney’s Super PAC,
              What He Wants: To pollute for free, Koch’s fortune is tied to some of the nation’s dirtiest industries

              2) Harold Simmons (a Swift Boater and corporate raider), Traffics in Toxic Chemicals, worth $9.8 Billion, Donation $800,000 to Romney total giving $16.7 Million, What He Wants: Plans to store radioactive waste in Texas

              3) Bob Perry, Owner of Perry Homes, Worth $600 Million, Donation $4 Million to Romney’s Super PAC ,
              What He Wants: Tort reform to limit jury awards on homebuilders who do shoddy work

              4) Jim Davis, Chairman New Balance Shoes, worth $1.8 Billion, Donation $1 Million to Romney’s Super PAC
              What He Wants: A lucrative Defense Contract

              5) Richard & Bill Marriott, Heir to Marriott Hotel Fortune, Worth $3.3 Billion, Donation $2 Million
              to Restore Our Future, What He Wants: A legal pool of foreign born workers to work in their hotels at slave labor rates Romney served twice on the Marriott Board

              7) Edward Conard, Ex Managing Director of Bain Capital, Worth $250 Million, Donation $1 Million to
              Restore Our Future, What He Wants: To screw taxpayers like Romney does with half the tax rates of others

              8) Frank VanderSloot, CEO Melaeuca, Inc., Worth $1 Billion, Donation $1 Million to Romney’s Super
              PAC , What He Wants: Less consumer protections

              9) Steven Lund, Vice Chairman Nu Skin Enterprises, worth $31.9 Million, Donation $2 Million to Restore
              Our Future, What He Wants: A world safe for false advertising & marketing scams

              10) Julian Robertson Jr., Hedge Fund Titan, worth $2.5 Billion, Donation $1.25 Million to Restore Our
              Future What He Wants: lower taxes for the Rich

              11) John Paulson, Hedge Fund Titan, worth $12.5 Billion, Donation $1 Million to Romney’s Super PAC
              What He Wants: No restrictions on Wall St. gambling

              12) Paul Singer, Hedge Fund Titan, Worth $1 Billion, Donation $1 Million to Romney’s Super PAC What He
              Wants: He Needs Fed backing in his lawsuit to collect $2 Billion from Argentina

              13) Robert Mercer, CEO Renaissance Technologies, made $125 Million in 2011 alone, Donation $ 1 Million to Romney’s Super PAC ,What He Wants: To squelch a proposed tax on stock options

              14) Kenneth Griffin, CEO Citadel LLC, worth $3 Billion, Donation $1 Million to Restore our Future What He
              Wants: To end Volcker Rule on Dodd-Frank Wall St excesses

              15) L. Francis Rooney III, CEO Rooney Holdings, worth $40 Million, Donation $1 Million to Restore our
              Future What He Wants: More building contract patronage

              16) Steven Webster, CEO Avista Capital, worth $4 Billion, Donation $1 Million to Romney’s Super PAC
              What He Wants: To Drill baby drill first owner of Deep Sea Horizon the worst environmental disaster in the Nation’s history.

              17) Donald Trump, Casino Operator who knows what he wants he is just a delusional birther nut

              • 6 votes
              Reply#14 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

              Folks,

              Who just Blocked da Campaign Finance Reform Bill?

              Who just Blocked Obama’s Jobs Bill?

              Who rewrote and put a Loophole in da House Version of da Stock Act Bill ?

              You Guessed it……Boehner, McConnell , Cantor and da rest of them Republican TeaBilly Politicians…… Can you Imagine da Shenanigans if Romney and Ryan get in.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#15 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

              Who has house bills seating on his desk that he will not bring to the Senate Floor? Look two can play the same game.

                #15.1 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:56 PM EDT

                jst, you forgot the Violence Against Women Act, sitting on a republican desk. No brainer bill.

                Obama 2012

                • 1 vote
                #15.2 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:19 PM EDT
                Reply

                Yo,

                Myth "F da Poor" Romney and Paul " Middle Class Warfare" Ryan.........Good Luck getting the other 99% to vote for ya. You BetCha…..Fer Sure.

                Love,

                Sarah P.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#16 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

                Saw this in another Article........Great Description of Paul Ryan and really funny.

                "At first glance, Ryan looks uncannily like a grown-up Eddie Munster. His gloomy expression, gray complexion and huge widow's peak make him look like some baleful predator.

                Herman / Eddie Munster 2012..........da Republican TeaBilly Conservative Choice.....LOL.

                And John “Look at my” Boehner can be Grandpa.

                You BetCha.....Fer Sure.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#17 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

                jsta, and mcconnell can be Uncle Fester, Ron Paul can be Schmeegle.

                Obama 2012

                  #17.1 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:22 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  If it were up to Mitt “ F da Poor” Romney and Paul “Middle Class Warfare” Ryan…………they would only allow Corporations to Vote and not da Public. Remember Folks…..Coroprations are People too.

                  You BetCha…..Fer Sure.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#18 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

                  Mitt "F da Poor" Romney and Paul “Middle Class Warfare” Ryan are nothing more than Two “Howdy Doodie Political Puppets” sitting on da Koch Brothers Lap.

                  You BetCha....Fer Sure.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#19 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:38 PM EDT
                  alexandr1Deleted

                  It's going to be harder and harder for these right wing-nuts to keep on defending a known "Vulture Capitalist" and his side-kick "Von (fill in the blank) Ryan". With their baggage of lies and mis-information. That if elected they will have retarded America back even more years than the "Great-Depression" era. With the dismantling of social security and tampering with medicare and medicaid in order to reduce the debt and let us not forget about "Womens Rights". Which by the way the GOP created in the first place. And stating that deficits don't matter anyway. These GOP/T-Pers have the gall to lower the tax rate for the rich to an even lower rate than it currently is. I mean talk about brass bo-bos. This will only have a begining of pain and depression for anyone that is not rich. And with that type of decimation of the middle and lower classes. This current GOP will stop at nothing. When will they stop and actually help out the other 99 percenters. You know the people that fight in the wars that these right wingers are so eager to get into. And of which the current GOP candidate has sons that can serve this nation. But choose not to, or should they rather go to France like their daddy did... I mean these characters are out of some Dickens novel. Yet sadly the good-guys don't always win in the end. It is up to us the electorate to replace these obstuctionists with people that want to serve us the "American People" and not pledge their alliegence to some non elected person like G.Nordquist. Wow, I can go on about the practices of you right wing bottom of my shoe scum. But I have way better things to do.

                  So good people of the United States, come election time. Please vote...

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#21 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:34 PM EDT

                  My vote is "Von" Fast Talker "Ryan". Geez....I think he's the guy who does the disclaimer at the end of those commercials for stuff no one wants.

                  • 4 votes
                  #21.1 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:43 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  Biden's trip also served as an organizing "tool" for Obama's staff in N.C. That pretty much says it all.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#22 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

                  Biden speaks and as always, its many words without much meaning...

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#23 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:37 PM EDT

                  I found this article in Veterans Today and it is quite interesting:

                  Sunday, August 12th, 2012 | Posted
                  by Gordon Duff

                  Foreign Cash Disqualifies Romney from Presidential Bid


                  No
                  other American presidential candidate has ever left the US to garner campaign
                  contributions from foreign citizens.

                  There is a reason for this, one that
                  Romney and his staff seem oblivious to and the mainstream media had ignored
                  until just recently.

                  Using foreign contributions in any
                  American election is a felony. Hello Romney campaign…is anybody home, hello?

                  Below, Fox News identifies illegal
                  fundraising in both Israel and in London, no donor is identified, no records
                  are kept. Gosh, does that look like someone might be trying to circumvent the
                  law?

                  If you go outside the US, if you stay inside the US, if your contributor is living in
                  the US but not a citizen, any money you get can mean years in jail.

                  Romney went the whole way,
                  personally campaigning outside the US, soliciting foreign citizens, and
                  humiliating himself and his country with his ignorance and flagrant attempts to
                  trade illegal cash for promises of illegal war. One could hardly break more
                  laws if one wanted.

                  Romney has raised millions in foreign cash at fundraising event across Israel and
                  London, those that we know of so far. One table alone gave him a million in
                  cash. None was from American citizens. Fewer than 10% of Romney’s contributors
                  in Israel are estimated to be “dual citizens.” Others may have just flown the
                  money in.

                  A real question many might ask, why
                  would a presidential candidate travel outside the US to seek campaign money at
                  all? As the Supreme Court points out, in the decision Bluman, et al., v.
                  Federal Elections Commission, no foreign cash, especially collected overseas,
                  can ever be used in an American campaign.

                  Here is what the New York Times
                  reports
                  on recent court decisions that
                  disqualify Romney as a candidate:

                  January 9, 2012, 3:34 pm

                  Supreme Court Retains Ban on Foreign Campaign
                  Donations

                  By JOHN H. CUSHMAN JR.

                  In a terse four words, the Supreme Court on Monday
                  issued an order upholding prohibitions against foreigners making contributions
                  to influence American elections.

                  The decision clamped shut an opening
                  that some thought the court had created two years ago in its Citizens United
                  decision, when it relaxed campaign-finance limits on corporations and labor
                  unions. On Monday the Supreme Court, upholding a lower court’s decision in
                  Bluman, et al., v. Federal Election
                  Commission, refused to extend its reasoning in Citizens United to
                  cover foreigners living temporarily here.

                  Foreign nationals, other than lawful
                  permanent residents, are completely banned from donating to candidates or
                  parties, or making independent expenditures in federal, state or local
                  elections.

                  The Supreme Court’s order did not
                  discuss the merits or suggest that there was any dissent among the justices.

                  A man with some real problems to wail about; “Please g-d,
                  don’t let them catch me…”

                  Here is what the Washington Post reported on Romney’s illegal fundraising efforts inside
                  Israel:

                  JERUSALEM — Mitt Romney held an
                  intimate breakfast fundraiser here Monday with some of his campaign’s biggest
                  benefactors, telling them about the spiritual impact his trip to Israel had
                  had on him.

                  Seated around a U-shaped conference
                  table with roughly 40 donors, with Las Vegas casino
                  mogul Sheldon Adelson immediately to his left, Romney said he was
                  “overwhelmingly impressed with the hand of providence.”

                  The presumptive Republican presidential
                  nominee was expected to raise more than $1 million from the donors, who each
                  were required to raise or donate $25,000 to $50,000 to attend the event. All of
                  the donors are U.S. citizens, and many of them flew here from the United States
                  to be with Romney during his 36-hour visit to Jerusalem.

                  Many of those in attendance at the
                  posh King David Hotel are major bundlers for Romney’s campaign, raising tens of
                  thousands of dollars from their business associates and friends. Adelson, for
                  instance, has personally
                  committed to giving tens of millions of dollars to a pro-Romney
                  super PAC.

                  He sure has a big smile on his face

                  No filming, no photographs were allowed, no doner ID were checked.

                  No due diligence done, only one
                  reporter attended who surprise, surprise, had no access to donors.

                  This is one of many fundraisers
                  including one in Tel Aviv just for diamond merchants as Fox reported, held in
                  total secrecy.

                  We have word that Romney and Sheldon Adelson met a group of large donors
                  from among the Jewish community of Russia who flew from Moscow to offer their
                  financial support.

                  The problem stems with bad legal
                  advice Romney received from his campaign finance staff.

                  The Romney campaign had been laundering money through corporations, money moved
                  into the US under the “Citizen’s United” decision of the US Supreme Court.

                  Romney figured he could then go
                  anywhere in the world, peddle foreign policy, promise war, play president and
                  collect cash from foreigners though this is specifically prohibited by US law.

                  In doing so, he is no longer
                  qualified for office and, if challenged by Ron Paul, has no standing at the
                  Republican Convention. With such a clear violation of law, not just blatant but
                  massive, Romney could face years in prison.

                  The Romney/Bain legal team was not available for comment.

                  It is now for Romney to prove that
                  not one cent of contributions collected from thousands in Israel was actually
                  collected from Israel. We wish him good luck with that.

                  One source of untapped information
                  on Romney’s activities is his Secret Service detail. As federal law enforcement
                  officers, though they are not directly tied to the Federal Election Commission,
                  they are obligated to report any suspicious activity.

                  Secret meetings with diamond merchants, many of whom are on international
                  watch lists, perhaps the secret service might want to meet their sworn
                  obligation.

                  Israel is now the largest source for “blood” or
                  “conflict” diamonds,
                  the major source of funds for terrorism,
                  illegal arms dealing and drug trafficking in the world.

                  Here is how this works, taking advantage
                  of “loopholes” purposefully written into handling procedures that let billions
                  in illegal diamonds enter the
                  US:

                  Since the KP, at least in its
                  current form, only tracks the movements and origins of uncut diamonds,
                  countries specializing in the cut variety of stones can churn out billions of
                  dollars worth of diamonds each year, incubated from the sometimes awkward
                  propriety questions the KP has been known to raise.

                  Since the process of cutting
                  diamonds removes all traceable hallmarks, cut diamonds purchased from Israel
                  are close to impossible to track, indistinguishable from diamonds sent from
                  South Africa, Australia or North America, and end up at major trading hubs such
                  as New York or Hong Kong, where they are purchased wholesale by diamond sellers
                  across the globe.

                  Is Fox right, is illegal diamond trafficking going to have its own
                  president? Are these diamond “merchants” supporting Romney or “blood diamond
                  launderers?”

                  Are we to wait on hands and knees
                  for federal authorities to make a statement on this, or are they all at the
                  casino?

                  When you add Sheldon Adelson, Romney’s “host” and his history of involvement in charges
                  of bribery and prostitution and “casino skimming,” according to the Jewish Global News
                  as quoted by Veterans Today.

                  Romney certainly has chosen an
                  interesting crowd to help enrich his heritage as a Mormon Bishop.

                  The results of the Romney overseas
                  trip?

                  We had fundraisers generally barring
                  reporters and others with “no access, sit in the corner with no camera”.

                  To that you can add in unpublished meetings and a failure to identify not just
                  sources of cash, which wasn’t just Israeli but money channeled from other
                  foreign supporters from Russia, India, Britain, Switzerland and elsewhere.

                  Is
                  there any doubt why Romney would leave the country to raise money when he has
                  over a thousand Swiss bank accounts?

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#24 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:54 PM EDT

                  Well I guess if all that is true and since as you claim there is sooo much proof it's a sure win for Obama cause Romney will be in jail! Why hasn't he been arrested yet?

                  • 1 vote
                  #24.1 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:25 AM EDT

                  Theirs nothing gutsy about Biden. He's a dumb @ss.

                    #24.2 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

                    We have money in a swiss account. It's so we can earn more interest not the lousy 1 or 2% here in the U.S. Not everybody is a crook because of that. Taxes will get paid on it at some point. Maybe our heirs will have to pay it. I didn't mean to fave your comment. Was an accident. Obama is doing everything he can so he doesn't have to talk about jobs and the economy. Let the debates begin.

                      #24.3 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:25 PM EDT
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                      Hey Mr. Biden, where is YOUR budget proposal?

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#25 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:29 PM EDT

                      It is not the job of the Vice President to propose a budget. Constitutionally he really has nothing to do. He is supposed to act as President of the Senate and break any ties on votes. Other than that he just waits. If something happens to the president he becomes president. Look it up!

                      • 1 vote
                      #25.1 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:28 PM EDT

                      Well>>>>>>> that explains why Obama picked him. Like I said he's a dumb @ss so a ten year old could do his job and he acts like a ten year old.

                        #25.2 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:31 PM EDT
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                        And what is so "gutsy" about Biden and his drunkedness? These pharisees go about acusing while they themselves are filled with debauchery and lacviousness, what did Jesus call them foxes, hypocrites, etc. the shoe fits and biden and it's cohorts wear them well.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#26 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:14 PM EDT

                        644, should be 666, what nonsense are you spouting, drunkenness. Miserable mutt.

                        Obama 2012

                          #26.1 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

                          Someone needs to check Obama's head for 666. Bad number. Did it ever occur to you that you could be the one that';s wrong?

                            #26.2 - Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:35 PM EDT
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                            Oh Joe!

                            Sixteen trillion = 16,000,000,000,000 in National Debt and will grow to 17,000,000,000,000 by 2013! And still growing.... Hell Obama didn't even show up with a plan..

                            Romney/Ryan 2012!!! LEADERSHIP FOR A CHANGE!!! Yeah Baby!!!

                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#27 - Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:20 PM EDT
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